Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911TruthAction] Digest Number 1246

Tuesday, April 25, 2006

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1246

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
From: "kitty285" kitty285@charter.net
2. Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
From: "kitty285" kitty285@charter.net
3. Re: UNITED 93 Movie: has a message board.
From: "amy dalzell" amydalzell@yahoo.com
4. Re: Adolf Hitler (1889 - )
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
5. Re: The very rich in America
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
6. "9-11 Free Discussion" (new Yahoo! forum)
From: "jewish_from_brooklyn" jewish_from_brooklyn@yahoo.com
7. Re: Illinois State Legislature Preparing to Drop a Bombshell
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
8. Re: The very rich in America
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
9. The St. Louis Area 9/11 Meetup Group
From: "Donald Stahl" politicstahl@hotmail.com
10. How Charlie Sheen Could Have Done Better
From: "Donald Stahl" politicstahl@hotmail.com
11. Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Adolf Hitler (1889 - )
From: "samier@web.de" samier@web.de
12. Re: Zionism and Judaism
From: "Ray Antoky" rayantoky@aol.com
13. Re: Zionism and Judaism
From: "jewish_from_brooklyn" jewish_from_brooklyn@yahoo.com
14. Re: Zionism and Judaism
From: "jewish_from_brooklyn" jewish_from_brooklyn@yahoo.com
15. Physicist says heat substance felled WTC and more unanswered questio
From: "James Patton" james_patton@yahoo.com
16. Zionism, mortal enemy of Judaism
From: "John Leonard" jpleonard@verizon.net
17. Our Personal Challenge at This Point in History
From: "janet phelan" jcphelan10@yahoo.com
18. Re: [issuesonline] Fwd: IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE DEMOCRATIC UPRISING I
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
19. Re: Zionism, mortal enemy of Judaism
From: "rayantoky@aol.com" rayantoky@aol.com
20. Re: Zionism, mortal enemy of Judaism
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
21. Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
22. A Day in the Life: 4/24/6
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." prez@usa-exile.org
23. Re: Illinois State Legislature Preparing to Drop a Bombshell
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
24. Re: Illinois State Legislature Preparing to Drop a Bombshell
From: "JP Liggett" JP@JPLiggett.com
25. Zionism, 9-11 investigation, establishing guilty parties and prevent
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net

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Message 1
From: "kitty285" kitty285@charter.net
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:44am(PDT)
Subject: Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?

LOL So true,i fill the same way.
Kitty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 3:34 AM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?

> That's right.
>
> I figure it is my job each day to smell the dust burn as I make someone
that
> hasn't used their own brain suddenly find it engaged and taking off on
it's
> own.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 12:59 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
> You got that right Scott,that's why i think they have discovered the truth
> themselves,then they get real excited,and ready to do something,if you
tell
> them the awful unbelievable truth they clam up,ears close,and think you
the
> fool,lol im 70 years disabled woman,so they are polite,and don't walk away
> from me,i keep talking in my sweet grandma voice. You know even if you
make
> them mad,and they do walk away,they will go home,and start doing
> searches....Kitty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 2:02 AM
> Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
>
> > Yeah, I have 2 Viet Nam Republican lifers that I know well enough to
> > consider them friends. It has taken years, but they admit now that 9/11
> was
> > an inside job, they now hate bush, but still think Kerry would have been
> > worse, so I ask, if it is that bad, is that why the right to keep and
bear
> > arms was written into the constitution? And they get an angry look, and
> > glance away, though they are no longer angry at me for making them ask
and
> > answer the realities that they know happened.
> >
> > At the very least, I cost Bush 2 mega supporters. BTW, these 2 men now
> tell
> > me that the GOP has betrayed them too. See what happens if you get a
brain
> > to start working on it's own?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:56 PM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> > been?
> >
> > Would you believe i get remarks like i voted for Bush,because my Daddy
> > always voted Republican,im talking about a man,my son in-law,says he
don't
> > want to know about anything,he will just vote for Rice,just sends me to
> > tears.
> > The old saying don't matter who you vote for,just get out there,and vote
> is
> > a bunch of crap !!!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
> > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> > been?
> >
> >
> > > Kitty -- if someone's not receptive to the info move on -- some people
> > simply don't want to know the truth. Try to convinve one or two people
> close
> > to you so you have someone to work with. And since the mainstream media
> has
> > already convinced them that you're crazy for suggesting such a thing, it
> > might be wise to first discredit the MSM by exposing some of their other
> > lies, and that might pave the way to having a more receptive 9-11 Truth
> > audience.
> > >
> > > kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote: Kevin,im trying to work the
> Bible
> > Belt without my head blown off by a red
> > > neck !!
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kevin Hammond" <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> > > been?
> > >
> > >
> > > > The internet is NOT ENOUGH. There are millions that do NOT have
> access.
> > > We are now getting down to the wire and must pull out ALL of the stops
> and
> > > LITTERALLY do EVERYTHING that we can to get this information OUT! The
> > > alternative is a MASSIVE one world police state the likes of which NO
> ONE
> > > here can possibly fathom. PLEASE! everyone one this group that knows
> > > ANYTHING about 9/11 and false flag terror MUST get out there and
educate
> > as
> > > many people as possible! Otherwisw we are all up a creek without a
> > paddle.
> > > Go to the files section and download flyers and copy them and put them
> > > EVERYWHERE! Burn copies of dvds and give them out. Do whatever you
CAN
> > to
> > > get this information OUT!.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > > www.fightthenwo.org
> > > >
> > > > Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> > > url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape
{
> > > BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } I have always placed my
> faith
> > on
> > > using the internet to expose to the world what they are and what they
> have
> > > done. The 9-11 frameup is a crime big enough that people can't brush
it
> > > aside. Our best hope is to show the world the ample evidence of the
> > > false-flag attack -- and then enlarge that hole until their motives
and
> > > their other crimes are exposed. They cannot withstand public opinion.
> > > >
> > > > It is the only strategy I know -- and it is one I will keep
> > ushing --
> > > but I must admit, in five years I have not seen the people take what
we
> > > already know and use it to enlighten the world.
> > > >
> > > > Charlie Sheen is the best thing that has happened in five years.
> May
> > > circumstances favor his efforts.
> > > >
> > > > Dick Eastman
> > > > Yakima, Washington
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Scott Peden
> > > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:27 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
> > movement
> > > been?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, you are saying that it is hopeless?
> > > >
> > > > Or do you proscribe a course of action as the internet ad our
> freedoms
> > > evaporate all at once?
> > > >
> > > > Or are you depending on the masses to rise up when their
> entertainment
> > > is taken away?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM
> > > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
> movement
> > > been?
> > > >
> > > > The plague will not be like the attack on the Pentagon -- it will
be
> > > beyond our ability to investigate.
> > > >
> > > > Next the nuclear bomb that will be blamed on Iraq -- because
there
> > will
> > > be no invasion right away, they are setting Iran up for blame for the
> > > false-flag nuclear attack -- the bomb that will be blamed on Iran will
> not
> > > leave evidence -- and the sudden loss of all freedoms by the
> declaration
> > > of martial law, including the shutdown of the internet, will not
permit
> > > investigations of any kind.
> > > >
> > > > Or perhaps they will let the internet continue so they can guage
our
> > > thinking and trace our connections -- more for them to lose by
cutting
> us
> > > off.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Scott Legere
> > > >
> > > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:14 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
> > movement
> > > been?
> > > >
> > > > It's amazing what a little awareness can do huh?
> > > >
> > > > mikemeyer1964 <mike.meyer@asm.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > With all of the saber rattling with Iran, I had the following
> > > > thought. I believe that the 911 Truth Movement has been successful
in
> > > > one key area. While we have not broken through to main stream
> > > > America, I believe that we have created enough awareness about 911
> > > > that the gov't has to really think twice before they can stage
another
> > > > False Flag event.
> > > >
> > > > The gov't has gotten away with covering up 911 to date, in part
> > > > because they effectively created a cover story and destroyed the
> > > > evidence very quickly. With enough people aware of what our gov't
is
> > > > capable of now, if they try another False Flag, there will be a lot
of
> > > > people recording every news station and outlet; video and still
> > > > camera's everywhere, and a lot more people asking a lot more
questions
> > > > right after the event. It will be more difficult to cover up
> > > > evidence. I was curious as to everyone's thoughts on what I would
> > > > call a small success for the movement.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "There comes a time when every man feels the urge to spit on his
hands,
> > hoist the black flag, and start slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken
> > >
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Message 2
From: "kitty285" kitty285@charter.net
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:52am(PDT)
Subject: Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?

So true Scott,i believe really everyone knows,but are afraid to voice
it,maybe they think they are alone in thinking this way,and you give them
the courage to speck out.and boy does that fill good,what an awful burden to
carry around.

Kitty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 3:00 AM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?

> It is something like 10-100 times more effective, the word of mouth
> campaigns.
>
> It also takes 10 good things to equal out one well placed negative.
>
> I loved my country, I do not trust my government.
>
> I have often said things like that in public and while looking as sad as I
> feel, ask to those around me in general, can anyone tell me one or two
> incidents where our government trusts us? All these laws showing that they
> fear us just makes me feel worse.
>
> The seeds of doubt and wonderment that someone could actually say out loud
> what many feel, and then not get killed or hauled off by Big Brother does
> wonders for letting others know that it is safe to discuss their fears in
> public and at that point, we are just that much more empowered to produce
> change.
>
> Sure wish we had a political alternative to refer folks to that would make
a
> difference rather than who is the lesser of the evils and how can we be
sure
> they are..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:21 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
> And word my mouth really spreads fast !!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 1:57 AM
> Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
>
> > Yeah kitty, you do the same things I do.
> >
> > Those that knew from the beginning that this was an inside job or really
> > suspected it, have already done some research on their own, we are
opening
> > the thoughts and minds of those that just didn't notice the magicians
bag
> > of tricks.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:45 PM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> > been?
> >
> > Jolly Roger first i try to find out if they have turned on him,then i
tell
> > them what searches to do,if you tell the folks the truth straight off
> there
> > mouth falls open,and they clam up,you might say i plant a seed,enough to
> get
> > them searching,most think im crazy,i have to go slow,i let them find out
> on
> > there own,i give enough info for that person that i think he can deal
with
> > it,when they say where did you hear that,i say i found it on
> Goggle,besides
> > women are low life here,i dare not tell a man anything,his ego will make
> him
> > search,he will be the big shot to his buddies.
> > Im from Ca. fourth generation,im her because my daughter is here.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
> > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:06 AM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> > been?
> >
> >
> > > Kitty - Scott has an excellent approach here, but since I work with
New
> > Yorkers instead of rednecks, lately I've been saying things like "you're
a
> > naive idiot if you believe that bullshit," and other similarly offensive
> > remarks. (maybe I'm becoming angry at the fools) Another new approach of
> > mine is to mention in a list the Luiatania, the Maine, the Gulf of
Tonkin,
> > and Pearl harbor and say "They pull the same trick before every war, and
> the
> > American people are still dumb enough to keep falling for it."
> > >
> > > Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> > w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> > Working rednecks huh? I have a pretty good handle on them.
> > >
> > > I don't tell them nuthin, I ask them things like, They really think
> that
> > we believe 3 buildings came down when only 2 planes hit ad the fire
wasn't
> > hot enough to do a brush burn! (just a statement) but if you can make a
> > statement them say, they really think we are that stupid, don't they?
That
> > tactic works wonders. No one wants to be called stupid.
> > >
> > > When I get my rare cups of coffee the newspaper stand is right next
to
> > me, I take every advantage to say something like, did you see in this
> paper
> > that they said this BS? What do they take us for, idiots? And do the
> > question statement thing, get my coffee and get the hell outta there,
> cause
> > they are now thinking. On a good day I can have all within earshot
talking
> > about this, and I don't mean whispering and I do this in the republican
> sewn
> > up area of my county. In under a year, even the Bush/Cheney people will
> not
> > attack 9/11 comments and many will say, someone must be threatening our
> > pResident or he'd do something about this!
> > >
> > > I never say what they have to believe, I make a semi statement of
> fact,
> > and then ask questions. The moment you take a solid stance, they can
shut
> > you off and they can just deny anything you say, so I ask them for their
> > opinion, or say "You believes this and that , don't you? After all, you
> > don't look as stupid as those folks seem to think we voters are" That
is,
> > ask a question and make them right and note that they aren't idiots,
even
> of
> > you may personally think they are.
> > >
> > > At the very least, it is progress and without that, we're all dead
if
> > we're lucky and if not luck, we'd indentured servitude in the work force
> > prison of choice of the Multi nationals.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:54 PM
> > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> > been?
> > >
> > > Kevin,im trying to work the Bible Belt without my head blown off by
a
> > red
> > > neck !!
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kevin Hammond" <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> > > been?
> > >
> > >
> > > > The internet is NOT ENOUGH. There are millions that do NOT have
> access.
> > > We are now getting down to the wire and must pull out ALL of the stops
> and
> > > LITTERALLY do EVERYTHING that we can to get this information OUT! The
> > > alternative is a MASSIVE one world police state the likes of which NO
> ONE
> > > here can possibly fathom. PLEASE! everyone one this group that knows
> > > ANYTHING about 9/11 and false flag terror MUST get out there and
educate
> > as
> > > many people as possible! Otherwisw we are all up a creek without a
> > paddle.
> > > Go to the files section and download flyers and copy them and put them
> > > EVERYWHERE! Burn copies of dvds and give them out. Do whatever you
CAN
> > to
> > > get this information OUT!.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > > www.fightthenwo.org
> > > >
> > > > Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> > > url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape
{
> > > BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } I have always placed my
> faith
> > on
> > > using the internet to expose to the world what they are and what they
> have
> > > done. The 9-11 frameup is a crime big enough that people can't brush
it
> > > aside. Our best hope is to show the world the ample evidence of the
> > > false-flag attack -- and then enlarge that hole until their motives
and
> > > their other crimes are exposed. They cannot withstand public opinion.
> > > >
> > > > It is the only strategy I know -- and it is one I will keep
> > ushing --
> > > but I must admit, in five years I have not seen the people take what
we
> > > already know and use it to enlighten the world.
> > > >
> > > > Charlie Sheen is the best thing that has happened in five years.
> May
> > > circumstances favor his efforts.
> > > >
> > > > Dick Eastman
> > > > Yakima, Washington
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Scott Peden
> > > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:27 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
> > movement
> > > been?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, you are saying that it is hopeless?
> > > >
> > > > Or do you proscribe a course of action as the internet ad our
> freedoms
> > > evaporate all at once?
> > > >
> > > > Or are you depending on the masses to rise up when their
> entertainment
> > > is taken away?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM
> > > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
> movement
> > > been?
> > > >
> > > > The plague will not be like the attack on the Pentagon -- it will
be
> > > beyond our ability to investigate.
> > > >
> > > > Next the nuclear bomb that will be blamed on Iraq -- because
there
> > will
> > > be no invasion right away, they are setting Iran up for blame for the
> > > false-flag nuclear attack -- the bomb that will be blamed on Iran will
> not
> > > leave evidence -- and the sudden loss of all freedoms by the
> declaration
> > > of martial law, including the shutdown of the internet, will not
permit
> > > investigations of any kind.
> > > >
> > > > Or perhaps they will let the internet continue so they can guage
our
> > > thinking and trace our connections -- more for them to lose by
cutting
> us
> > > off.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
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> > > >
> > > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
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> > > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
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> > > > It's amazing what a little awareness can do huh?
> > > >
> > > > mikemeyer1964 <mike.meyer@asm.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > With all of the saber rattling with Iran, I had the following
> > > > thought. I believe that the 911 Truth Movement has been successful
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> > > > America, I believe that we have created enough awareness about 911
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> > > > False Flag event.
> > > >
> > > > The gov't has gotten away with covering up 911 to date, in part
> > > > because they effectively created a cover story and destroyed the
> > > > evidence very quickly. With enough people aware of what our gov't
is
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of
> > > > people recording every news station and outlet; video and still
> > > > camera's everywhere, and a lot more people asking a lot more
questions
> > > > right after the event. It will be more difficult to cover up
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Message 3
From: "amy dalzell" amydalzell@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:08am(PDT)
Subject: Re: UNITED 93 Movie: has a message board.

My current theory is the they made the movie to provide the missing "sound-track" for the "event." We will, no doubt, hear it over and over.

Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net> wrote: http://www.united93movie.com/index.php

UNITED 93 Movie has a message board, but it is not yet working.
I will keep checking back and let you know when it is operational.

In the meantime can someone with more knowledge and better writing
skills than I put together something showing the Lies, anomalies,
coverup and best evidence of the TRUTH regarding Flight 93 that we can
post around when this "SHIT" hits the fan.

Or maybe someone already has this compilation or knows of the best
website containing the TRUTH about Flight 93.
Joe

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Message 4
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:25am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler (1889 - )

Hitler was a zionist and a puppet like our current bush. In nazi germany there were only 2 flags allowed to be flown--the nazi and the zionist flags. The zionists were working hand-in-hand with the nazis victimizing the jews and all the other so called enemies of the state.

Alastair McIntyre <alastairmcintyre79@yahoo.com.au> wrote: I read the last paragraph and that was enough, a monster like Adolph, will only be rembered by the world as a ruthless murderer!.
Racists like you should go back to school.
DIE NAZI SCUM! IK HAAT NAZIS!

The Jewish History Series <joohistory@yahoo.com> wrote:
ADOLF HITLER (1889 - )

He was born into humble circumstances, the son of an obscure civil servant in a remote corner of a crumbling empire, yet his name resounds throughout the world to this day.

He was rejected by the universities of his time for formal enrollment in art and in architecture, and yet he erected mighty buildings and monuments, and today a simple postcard that he drew in ink or charcoal fetches staggering sums at auction.

He never achieved more than a public school education, yet he wrote a book which has outsold every other book in history except for the Bible.

He fought as a front line soldier through all four years of the greatest war in history up to that time, never rising above the rank of corporal, but he won both of his country's highest decorations for bravery under fire and rose to command the
mightiest armies on earth.

Almost unique in the history of his century, he was not a lawyer or an aristocrat or a man of inherited wealth and privilege, but a man who once earned his daily bread with the labor of his hands, and yet he conquered politics and rose to the leadership of the most brilliant and creative nation on earth.

So that his people might travel across the land he loved quickly and cheaply, he created a simple and sturdy automobile still in use today, and a network of highways that still spans Germany.

His game and forestry laws are still in force, and are praised by ecologists as a model of environmental protection.

His economic program received the sincerest form of flattery from the loathsome Roosevelt, who stole it and copied it into the context of the American Depression as his own.

Every man who ever met him personally, even those who became his bitterest enemies, spoke of him forever afterwards with awe and admiration.

His courtesy and his gallantry toward women were legendary. With his power and his prestige he could have had any woman he wanted, but the woman he chose as his life's partner, and who eventually died by his side, was a simple and humble daughter of the people.

He did not drink. He did not smoke. He was a lifelong lover of animals and children and was happiest in the company of toddlers rather than statesmen and soldiers, and no one ever overheard him use a profane word or tell a smutty joke.

He lifted his people up from the mud of defeat and despair and alien domination, and he died trying to do the same for all of us.

To this day, his memory is kept green by the Aryan peoples of Germany and the world, even though it means prison, and in some countries death, to honor him or his legacy within the sight or hearing of the tyrant. He has been slandered, vilified, lied about, cursed, distorted, and damned every day since his death by the most powerful and evil tyranny mankind has ever known, and yet his name and his Symbol cannot be suppressed by force or by
propaganda.

As we begin this new Millennium, his book is read and his name
is on more lips than ever before and his image and his strength fills the hearts of a whole new generation of young Aryan men and women. He is invincible and immortal, and Victory shall one day be his.

He holds out his hand to us all. He offers us his strength and his wisdom, at a time when we so badly need both. Let us keep him always in our hearts and our minds and our souls, until the day comes when once more we may speak his name aloud and raise on high the sacred Banner for which he and so many millions more lived and died.

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Message 5
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:28am(PDT)
Subject: Re: The very rich in America

Kill the rich and there would be no one to work for. I have never worked for a poor man!

ranger116@webtv.net wrote: The very rich in America

I am no expert on this but since it is simple math you do not need to
be.

# 1 if people inherited their wealth (Especially since 1962 when gold
and silver were removed from backing up the US paper dollar) Then to a
certain extent these people just inherited in their and the local
Jendarm's minds the right to work you as a slave !
That simple ! Wake up - Kill them if needed !

Second if they did not inherit it but worked you for $5/8/10/12 dollars
an hour while they made a $100 dollars an hour off of each of your work
hours - Again KIll them, You out number them and you have more guns than
their police and private guards have, Of course you should talk to them
first and see if they would rather pay you half of that $100 dollars an
hour you are earning for them ?
They probably will say No - So go ahead and kill them !
Preferably slowly and painfully the same way that member of your family
died without proper medical care due to no medical insurance !
Or you could just go on being sheep.

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From: "jewish_from_brooklyn" jewish_from_brooklyn@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:28am(PDT)
Subject: "9-11 Free Discussion" (new Yahoo! forum)

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Message 7
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:36am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Illinois State Legislature Preparing to Drop a Bombshell

Here's the full article, copied & pasted.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_060422_bush_impeachment___t.htm
April 22, 2006

Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell document.write ("") document.write ("")
Utilizing a little known rule of the US House to bring Impeachment charges by Steven Leser

http://www.opednews.com

Steven Leser
The Illinois General Assembly is about to rock the nation. Members of state legislatures are normally not considered as having the ability to decide issues with a massive impact to the nation as a whole. Representative Karen A. Yarbrough of Illinois' 7th District is about to shatter that perception forever. Representative Yarbrough stumbled on a little known and never utlitized rule of the US House of Representatives, Section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of the Rules of the United States House of Representatives, which allows federal impeachment proceedings to be initiated by joint resolution of a state legislature. From there, Illinois House Joint Resolution 125 (hereafter to be referred to as HJR0125) was born.

Detailing five specific charges against President Bush including one that is specified to be a felony, the complete text of HJR0125 is copied below at the end of this article. One of the interesting points is that one of the items, the one specified as a felony, that the NSA was directed by the President to spy on American citizens without warrant, is not in dispute. That fact should prove an interesting dilemma for a Republican controlled US House that clearly is not only loathe to initiate impeachment proceedings, but does not even want to thoroughly investigate any of the five items brought up by the Illinois Assembly as high crimes and/or misdemeanors. Should HJR0125 be passed by the Illinois General Assembly, the US House will be forced by House Rules to take up the issue of impeachment as a privileged bill, meaning it will take precedence over other House business.

The Illinois General Assembly joins a growing chorus of voices calling for censure or impeachment of President Bush including Democratic state committees in Vermont, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada and North Carolina as well as the residents themselves of seven towns in Vermont, seventy Vermont state legislators and Congressman John Conyers. The call for impeachment is starting to grow well beyond what could be considered a fringe movement. An ABC News/Washington Post Poll Conducted April 6-9 showed that 33% of Americans currently support Impeaching President Bush, coincidentally, only a similar amount supported impeaching Nixon at the start of the Watergate investigation. If and when Illinois HJR0125 hits the capitol and the individual charges are publicly investigated, that number is likely to grow rapidly. Combined with the very real likelihood that Rove is about to be indicted in the LeakGate investigation, and Bush is in real trouble beyond his plummeting poll numbers.
His cronies in the Republican dominated congress will probably save him from the embarassment of an impeachment conviction, for now, but his Presidency will be all but finished.

Developing News; California Becomes Second State to Introduce Bush Impeachment

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HJ0125 LRB094 20306 RLC 58347 r

1 HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION

2 WHEREAS, Section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of the Rules of
3 the United States House of Representatives allows federal
4 impeachment proceedings to be initiated by joint resolution of
5 a state legislature; and

6 WHEREAS, President Bush has publicly admitted to ordering
7 the National Security Agency to violate provisions of the 1978
8 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, a felony, specifically
9 authorizing the Agency to spy on American citizens without
10 warrant; and

11 WHEREAS, Evidence suggests that President Bush authorized
12 violation of the Torture Convention of the Geneva Conventions,
13 a treaty regarded a supreme law by the United States
14 Constitution; and

15 WHEREAS, The Bush Administration has held American
16 citizens and citizens of other nations as prisoners of war
17 without charge or trial; and

18 WHEREAS, Evidence suggests that the Bush Administration
19 has manipulated intelligence for the purpose of initiating a
20 war against the sovereign nation of Iraq, resulting in the
21 deaths of large numbers of Iraqi civilians and causing the
22 United States to incur loss of life, diminished security and
23 billions of dollars in unnecessary expenses; and

24 WHEREAS, The Bush Administration leaked classified
25 national secrets to further a political agenda, exposing an
26 unknown number of covert U. S. intelligence agents to potential
27 harm and retribution while simultaneously refusing to
28 investigate the matter; and

29 WHEREAS, The Republican-controlled Congress has declined

HJ0125 - 2 - LRB094 20306 RLC 58347 r

1 to fully investigate these charges to date; therefore, be it

2 RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
3 NINETY-FOURTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE
4 SENATE CONCURRING HEREIN, that the General Assembly of the
5 State of Illinois has good cause to submit charges to the U. S.
6 House of Representatives under Section 603 that the President
7 of the United States has willfully violated his Oath of Office
8 to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United
9 States; and be it further

10 RESOLVED, That George W. Bush, if found guilty of the
11 charges contained herein, should be removed from office and
12 disqualified to hold any other office in the United States.

Take action -- click here to contact your local newspaper or congress people:
Support the Impeachment of President Bush
Click here to see the most recent messages sent to congressional reps and local newspapers
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kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote:
This won't open for me.

Kitty
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Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: [911TruthAction] Illinois State Legislature Preparing to Drop a
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Message 8
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:42am(PDT)
Subject: Re: The very rich in America

And besides, don't you think that the bankers have enough money, etc with out getting the inheritances too. They already control the money and "ALL" out taxes just go to pay the interest on our own money that they fraudulently charge back to us for the use of. The whole world is pretty much enslaved by the 5th plank bankinbg system -- the "debt-money" system.

Richard Pierce <phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com> wrote: Kill the rich and there would be no one to work for. I have never worked for a poor man!

ranger116@webtv.net wrote: The very rich in America

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Message 9
From: "Donald Stahl" politicstahl@hotmail.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:45am(PDT)
Subject: The St. Louis Area 9/11 Meetup Group

exists. It didn't occur to me to announce that fact here until someone
else announced the Dallas/Ft. Worth one.

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Message 10
From: "Donald Stahl" politicstahl@hotmail.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:05am(PDT)
Subject: How Charlie Sheen Could Have Done Better

I bring this up not because I am ungrateful to Charlie Sheen, but
because it's part of a more general and important issue.

The issue is the use of photographs in 9/11 Activism.

Anyone who has read Fred Dretske's _Knowledge and the Flow of
Information_ knows the philosophical truth that lies behind the old
saying about a picture being worth a thousand words. If Sheen had held
up pictures of the Towers disintegrating, or Building 7, he would have
had a bigger impact. We in the Movement can easily forget that most
people never heard of Building 7, and most have never seen the Towers
being pulverized. The fact that they haven't is a part of our enemy's
strategy which we can easily counter.

Most of us are familiar with how easy it is to go in circles when
trying to bring Truth to the masses. Squibs? Floors falling make air
puff out. Etc. Pictures cut through the crap. EVERY EFFORT TO SPREAD
THE WORD SHOULD ALSO BE AN EFFORT TO SPREAD SOME OUTRAGEOUS CONSPIRACY
PHOTOS.

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Message 11
From: "samier@web.de" samier@web.de
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:06am(PDT)
Subject: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Adolf Hitler (1889 - )

That is nothing more than a bad try to write good things about a sick,crazy
sellfish,drug-addict psychopat who as ruined a nation in only 9 years..
We all know the history about this bastard,his clique and his sick "Arier"
ideologies.
I live in Germany and cot believe how sick some people have to be to write a
Propaganda Thread like that to remember Hitlers birthday..bt the really sick
thing is tat these people really believe that propaganda stuff..in the
eastern part of Germany,especially Sachsen (Dresden)
we really have some real Neo-Nazies..These people are really dirt and they
are very violent..Most of them are uneducated,alcohol drinking supid bunch
of scum..They are only strong in their Skinhead-groups and are full of hate
against foreigners..especially against coloured people,Turkish, SE Asian.
and so on..They are a shame for Germany..How can people really like this
Nazi things???Most of them are young and not really know the facts about
Hitler-Germany..Whenever I see a TV reportage about those Nazi-Skinheads
here and hear someone of them talking I could vomit.

i like the movie "The Dictator" from and with Charlie Chaplin..

Greetings from Germany

Samier

-------Originalmeldung-------

Von: Alastair McIntyre
Datum: 04/24/06 09:31:53
An: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Adolf Hitler (1889 - )

I read the last paragraph and that was enough, a monster like Adolph, will
only be rembered by the world as a ruthless murderer!.
Racists like you should go back to school.
DIE NAZI SCUM! IK HAAT NAZIS!

The Jewish History Series <joohistory@yahoo.com> wrote:
ADOLF HITLER (1889 - )

He was born into humble circumstances, the son of an obscure civil servant
in a remote corner of a crumbling empire, yet his name resounds throughout
the world to this day.

He was rejected by the universities of his time for formal enrollment in art
and in architecture, and yet he erected mighty buildings and monuments, and
today a simple postcard that he drew in ink or charcoal fetches staggering
sums at auction.

He never achieved more than a public school education, yet he wrote a book
which has outsold every other book in history except for the Bible.

He fought as a front line soldier through all four years of the greatest war
in history up to that time, never rising above the rank of corporal, but he
won both of his country's highest decorations for bravery under fire and
rose to command the
mightiest armies on earth.

Almost unique in the history of his century, he was not a lawyer or an
aristocrat or a man of inherited wealth and privilege, but a man who once
earned his daily bread with the labor of his hands, and yet he conquered
politics and rose to the leadership of the most brilliant and creative
nation on earth.

So that his people might travel across the land he loved quickly and cheaply
he created a simple and sturdy automobile still in use today, and a network
of highways that still spans Germany.

His game and forestry laws are still in force, and are praised by ecologists
as a model of environmental protection.

His economic program received the sincerest form of flattery from the
loathsome Roosevelt, who stole it and copied it into the context of the
American Depression as his own.

Every man who ever met him personally, even those who became his bitterest
enemies, spoke of him forever afterwards with awe and admiration.

His courtesy and his gallantry toward women were legendary. With his power
and his prestige he could have had any woman he wanted, but the woman he
chose as his life's partner, and who eventually died by his side, was a
simple and humble daughter of the people.

He did not drink. He did not smoke. He was a lifelong lover of animals and
children and was happiest in the company of toddlers rather than statesmen
and soldiers, and no one ever overheard him use a profane word or tell a
smutty joke.

He lifted his people up from the mud of defeat and despair and alien
domination, and he died trying to do the same for all of us.

To this day, his memory is kept green by the Aryan peoples of Germany and
the world, even though it means prison, and in some countries death, to
honor him or his legacy within the sight or hearing of the tyrant. He has
been slandered, vilified, lied about, cursed, distorted, and damned every
day since his death by the most powerful and evil tyranny mankind has ever
known, and yet his name and his Symbol cannot be suppressed by force or by
propaganda.

As we begin this new Millennium, his book is read and his name
is on more lips than ever before and his image and his strength fills the
hearts of a whole new generation of young Aryan men and women. He is
invincible and immortal, and Victory shall one day be his.

He holds out his hand to us all. He offers us his strength and his wisdom,
at a time when we so badly need both. Let us keep him always in our hearts
and our minds and our souls, until the day comes when once more we may speak
his name aloud and raise on high the sacred Banner for which he and so many
millions more lived and died.

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Message 12
From: "Ray Antoky" rayantoky@aol.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:34am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Judaism

Richard:
Did you read my post that included the article by FIXLER "WHO IS A
TRUE ZIONIST"? Your concept of a good Jew not being able to be a
zionist reflects only the acquired pejorative meaning of the term. If
you understood what it means to be a Jew you would know that Zion
represents the seat of the Holy Temple, the hill conquered by King
David where the Beit Hamikdash, the holy temple was erected. It
became symbolic of Jerusalem and the nation of Israel itself. Upon
dispersion from its temple and land Jews mourn for its destruction
daily and specifically on the anniversary of the 9th of Ab. "If I
forget thee O Jerusalem I should forget my right arm!' is the cry of
the mourning Jew. It is intrinsic in our souls, the basis of our
identity. Our belief in the return to Zion is reflected in our daily
prayers. Only through divine intervention can this goal be achieved.
Our job therefore is not to be Zionists or to join a Zionism
movement. We are not ...ists or followers of an ..ism per se. We are
Jews. To be a Jew is to believe in all the tenets of the Torah and
the central focus has always been to worship the Creator in the place
chosen for his people. Now you can say that we are all G-d's
children.True enough. But the Jew always believes that he has been
chosen as the recipient of The Divine law as given to Moses on Har
Sinai.Yes we have been dispersed from our true home. But our prayers
never stop. Praying to return to Zion is a spiritual as well
as physical concept. Only those instilled with a fervent belief in
the heritage of the sons of Israel will be able to achieve a true
return.
Yes we believe in the coming of the Mashiach at which time the Holy
Temple will be rebuilt. Yes it is true that we have not been returned
and ingathered completely as we would like to be. But we pray for
this to happen every second of our existence. Yes we mourn for our
past glories and yes we pray for our future restoration. Of course
our conduct must be governed by divine principles. That is what a Jew
must do if he is true to his identity. 'Returning to Zion' is the
basis of our existence. We can only pray for Divine guidance to
achieve our objective. As was pointed out in my previous posts the
state of Israel was not conceived on religious principles. You are
right in the sense that we cannot 'jump the gun' so to speak. If
we're not ready to be rewarded by our Creator than all the
machinations performed in the name of 'z...ism,'will be for naught.
As we see, the 'Jewish Homeland' of today is far from peaceful, far
from being inhabited only by Jews, and far from being a working
theocracy governed by Divine law. But somehow there is a toehold for
some of us to grasp. Jews have always lived in the Land even after
the exile.To live in peace with all of mankind through Divine
guidance is all we could or should ever desire and if through G-d's
blessings this should come to pass, then let it happen soon.

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Richard Pierce
<phobicflyonthewall@...> wrote:
>
> One cannot be a good jew and be a zionist. One does not have to be
jewish to be a zionist, either. There are christian zionists and
more than likely others too. A jewish homeland/country is not
supposed to be until there is total peace in the world, christ
returns and especially not by "force." Zionism is totally against
the Torah. For more info, check out this web site.
www.jewsagainstzionism.com Check it out. And there are many other
web sites like it. True Torah Jews and Rabbis are against zionism,
the state of Israel.
>
> Ray Antoky <rayantoky@...> wrote:
>
> Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
> First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
> family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
> Judaism.
>
> For many outsiders and non practicing Jews such as Mark Bilk,
Judaism
> is some incomprehensible black hole. From the inside, one attempts
to
> develop a relationship with the creator based on the words of the
> scriptures and the commentaries. While Jews have met with and
earned
> great success throughout the ages they have also suffered greatly,
> due to non-adherence to the tenets of our creed, so the explanation
> is given.
> Religious Jews always yearn for the return to Zion which would be
the
> reinstatement of a Jewish theocratic state charcterized with the
> rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem and the coming of the Messiah
> (Mashiach). It has not happened. Jews are still in exile, even
those
> living in the land where this redemption should take place. True
> Zionism is merely yearning for this redemption to take place.
Rising
> up against those who would attempt to destroy you or prevent you
from
> achieving your legitimate objective is required. Non practicing
Jews
> whose motivation is unenlightened cannot represent those who
> understand that salvation and reinstatement into a homeland of
peace
> cannot happen unless the nation of Jews is deemed worthy. If
certain
> Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and influence
and
> use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not
entitle
> them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is
> Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members
of
> the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of
> their Jewish roots?
> Too much merging is going on.
> As we can see from the ugly events that always seem to come to pass
> in the world, mankind has a war with its evil inclination. True
> Judaism encourages the conquering of that inclination.
> Zionism is merely an intrinsic part of Judaism which cannot be
> separated. You cannot be a true Zionist without full acceptance of
> the Truth of all the commandments of the Torah and its commentaries.
> This requires study and doing the research just like Charlie
> Sheen 'did the research'on 9/11. Anyone else claiming to be a
Zionist
> is an imposter and anyone separating Zionism from Judaism does not
> understand either term. True Zionism is intrinsic to Judaism, like
it
> or not.
>
> Ray Antoky
> Bklyn
>
> PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
> reinstatement.
>
>
>
>
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Message 13
From: "jewish_from_brooklyn" jewish_from_brooklyn@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:16am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Judaism

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Ray Antoky" <rayantoky@...> wrote:

> As we see, the 'Jewish Homeland' of today is far from peaceful, far
> from being inhabited only by Jews, and far from being a working
> theocracy governed by Divine law. But somehow there is a toehold for
> some of us to grasp. Jews have always lived in the Land even after
> the exile.To live in peace with all of mankind through Divine
> guidance is all we could or should ever desire and if through G-d's
> blessings this should come to pass, then let it happen soon.

I was taught many years ago in Yeshiva that "ahavat yisroel" is our highest calling,
but there is a dark side to this concept because it usually entails the corollary of
indifference or perhaps even outright contempt toward non-Jews.

The truth of the matter is that Jewish people are indeed fully capable of religious
fanaticism and therefore they are just as liable to commit acts of terrorism
as anyone. I would like to delve into the Jewish-Israeli connection to the 9-11
disaster. To that end, I have created a forum where nobody is going to be
censored for engaging in alleged "hate speech" for daring to call into question
the possible role of Jewish and Zionist involvement in the 9-11 attacks.

The link to my new forum is : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911_free_discussion

> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Richard Pierce
> <phobicflyonthewall@> wrote:
> >
> > One cannot be a good jew and be a zionist. One does not have to be
> jewish to be a zionist, either. There are christian zionists and
> more than likely others too. A jewish homeland/country is not
> supposed to be until there is total peace in the world, christ
> returns and especially not by "force." Zionism is totally against
> the Torah. For more info, check out this web site.
> www.jewsagainstzionism.com Check it out. And there are many other
> web sites like it. True Torah Jews and Rabbis are against zionism,
> the state of Israel.
> >
> > Ray Antoky <rayantoky@> wrote:
> >
> > Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
> > First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
> > family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
> > Judaism.
> >
> > For many outsiders and non practicing Jews such as Mark Bilk,
> Judaism
> > is some incomprehensible black hole. From the inside, one attempts
> to
> > develop a relationship with the creator based on the words of the
> > scriptures and the commentaries. While Jews have met with and
> earned
> > great success throughout the ages they have also suffered greatly,
> > due to non-adherence to the tenets of our creed, so the explanation
> > is given.
> > Religious Jews always yearn for the return to Zion which would be
> the
> > reinstatement of a Jewish theocratic state charcterized with the
> > rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem and the coming of the Messiah
> > (Mashiach). It has not happened. Jews are still in exile, even
> those
> > living in the land where this redemption should take place. True
> > Zionism is merely yearning for this redemption to take place.
> Rising
> > up against those who would attempt to destroy you or prevent you
> from
> > achieving your legitimate objective is required. Non practicing
> Jews
> > whose motivation is unenlightened cannot represent those who
> > understand that salvation and reinstatement into a homeland of
> peace
> > cannot happen unless the nation of Jews is deemed worthy. If
> certain
> > Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and influence
> and
> > use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not
> entitle
> > them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is
> > Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members
> of
> > the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of
> > their Jewish roots?
> > Too much merging is going on.
> > As we can see from the ugly events that always seem to come to pass
> > in the world, mankind has a war with its evil inclination. True
> > Judaism encourages the conquering of that inclination.
> > Zionism is merely an intrinsic part of Judaism which cannot be
> > separated. You cannot be a true Zionist without full acceptance of
> > the Truth of all the commandments of the Torah and its commentaries.
> > This requires study and doing the research just like Charlie
> > Sheen 'did the research'on 9/11. Anyone else claiming to be a
> Zionist
> > is an imposter and anyone separating Zionism from Judaism does not
> > understand either term. True Zionism is intrinsic to Judaism, like
> it
> > or not.
> >
> > Ray Antoky
> > Bklyn
> >
> > PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
> > reinstatement.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message 14
From: "jewish_from_brooklyn" jewish_from_brooklyn@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:24am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Judaism

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Ray Antoky" <rayantoky@...> wrote:

I was taught many years ago in Yeshiva that "ahavat yisroel" is our
highest calling, but there is a dark side to this concept because it usually
entails the corollary of indifference or perhaps even outright contempt
toward non-Jews.

The truth of the matter is that Jewish people are indeed fully capable of
religious fanaticism and therefore they are just as liable to commit acts of
terrorism as anyone. I would like to delve into the Jewish-Israeli connection
to the 9-11 disaster. To that end, I have created a forum where nobody
is going to be censored for engaging in alleged "hate speech" for daring
to call into question the possible role of Jewish and Zionist involvement
in the 9-11 attacks.

The link to my new forum is : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911_free_discussion

________________________________________________________________________
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Message 15
From: "James Patton" james_patton@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:30am(PDT)
Subject: Physicist says heat substance felled WTC and more unanswered questio

Hi Everyone,

For those who haven't seriously investigated the events of September 11 yet,
I can only recommend that you do so.

There's a wealth of information and many excellent websites and videos on the Internet,
and they're easy to find using any of the popular search engines. Below I suggest a few
sites that make a good starting point, but they are just the "tip of the 9/11 iceberg"!

Oh... and if you won't believe anything until the "mainstream media" picks up the story,
then may I remind you about Saddam Hussein and his vast stockpiles of Weapons of Mass
Destruction that were threatening the safety of the world? Acquiring uranium from Niger?
Or his "mobile biological weapons" factories, anthrax and nuclear weapons programs that
Colin Powell so "earnestly" warned us about? Or how about his "people shredder"
that John Howard presented to a gullible Australian public to "justify" this horrid little war?

Just because the WhiteHouse/Pentagon says it, and the "mainstream media" dutifuly
serves as an obedient mouthpiece of power and reports it, means nothing.

Just because the "mainstream media" isn't reporting about "SIR! NO SIR!" and the power
of dissent in the ranks doesn't mean it's not real and important.
http://www.sirnosir.com/

Just because the "mainstream media" isn't talking about the obviously controlled demolition
of WTC Building #7 and the many other anomalies of September 11, all it means is the media
is a servant of power.

May I suggest you turn off your brainwashing TV and turn on your brain and consider the facts for yourself?

Kind regards,

James.

Journalism - The Real First Casualty of War
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/pilger.php?articleid=8877

Physicist says thermite heat substance felled WTC

Extremely hot fires caused structures to fail, BYU expert says
By Suzanne Dean

For the Deseret Morning News (April 10 2006)

EPHRAIM - A Brigham Young University physicist said he now believes
an incendiary substance called thermite, bolstered by sulfur, was used to
generate exceptionally hot fires at the World Trade Center on 9/11,
causing the structural steel to fail and the buildings to collapse.

"It looks like thermite with sulfur added, which really is a very clever idea,"
Steven Jones, professor of physics at BYU, told a meeting of the Utah
Academy of Science, Arts and Letters at Snow College Friday.

He told college professors and graduate students from throughout Utah gathered
for the academy meeting that while almost no fire, even one ignited by jet fuel,
can cause structural steel to fail, the combination of thermite and sulfur "slices through
steel like a hot knife through butter."

He ticked off several pieces of evidence for his thermite fire theory:

[ Read full article here:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635198488,00.html ]
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=87932

Some websites worth checking out:

9/11 Truth
40 Reasons to doubt the official story
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646
http://www.911truth.org/

Scholars for 9/11 Truth
http://www.st911.org/

9/11 Research
An Attempt to Uncover the Truth About September 11th, 2001
NB: 9-11 Research does not promote incivility or junk science.
http://911research.wtc7.net/

PHYSICS 911 is created and maintained by a group of scientists, engineers and other
professionals known collectively as the Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-eleven.
http://www.physics911.net/

Evidence for a Controlled Demolition
http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

PrisonPlanet - Site carries many 9/11 related stories
http://www.prisonplanet.com/

Tokyo Journal - The Japanese 9/11 truth movement
Many unanswered questions of 9/11
http://www.tokyo.to/255/911Conspiracy/

ReOpen 9/11 - Catch the Real Terrorists
http://www.reopen911.org/

Videos (broadband is best):

Question 9/11
Short Flash presentation asking many questions
about the events of September 11 2001.
http://www.question911.com/prevue.htm
http://www.question911.com/

Question 9/11
Download many videos here.
http://www.question911.com/links.php

Loose Change Second Edition
Well researched and very thought provoking.
http://unsungwar.com/videos/loosechange2.html
http://tinyurl.com/bzg64

911: In Plane Site
Hard-hitting investigative journalism.
http://unsungwar.com/videos/911InPlaneSite.wmv

Rise
Short and sweet - to the point!
http://unsungwar.com/videos/Rise.swf

9/11 Revisited
This film provides stunning evidence that pre-planted explosives
were used in the complete demolition of the WTC twin towers and WTC 7.
http://911revisited.infad.net/video.html

9/11 Eyewitness
A rigorous scientific analysis of the destruction of the WTC towers.
http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/911Eyewitness.php

Perspective 9-11
This research will give you an insight into the story
behind the 9-11 attacks.
http://tinyurl.com/layem

David Shayler
MI5 Whistleblower analyzes the events of 9-11.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5403286136814574974

Pentagon Strike
What hit the Pentagon?
http://unsungwar.com/videos/pentagonstrike.swf

Discover the Truth about the Events surrounding 9-11-01
Video Presentations from some of the top Scholars, Researchers,
and Analysts from the International Community.
http://911busters.com/

9/11 Special: Dutch Television Documentary (20 minutes)
Two senior government ministers express grave doubts about
the official 9/11 stories and the so-called "war on terror".
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11222.htm

Watch David Ray Griffin, professor of theology, and other speakers
who speak candidly and lucidly about the events, anomalies, lies
and distortions surrounding 911.
http://911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/index.html

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Message 16
From: "John Leonard" jpleonard@verizon.net
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:01am(PDT)
Subject: Zionism, mortal enemy of Judaism

Ray Antoky wrote

At 4.23.06 17:18, you wrote:
>Religious Jews always yearn for the return to Zion which would be the
>reinstatement of a Jewish theocratic state charcterized with the
>rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem and the coming of the Messiah

Big, very very big problems with that, Ray
Around the turn of the 20th century, only 3% of Jews wanted to
"return" to Palestine.
Zionism is a political corruption of Judaism fostered by the British
empire and the international bankers for their Divide and Conquer and
New World Order, under their usual policy of fomenting religious wars
and rebellions by minorities of any stripe.
Yes, that includes the Rothschild interests, but not the interests of
the Jewish people, who have already paid for these excesses with one
Holocaust and are sitting on a powder keg for another one.
The Messiah has been and gone twice (Jesus and Mohamed) and the age
of great religions is long past.
There are no more Messiahs coming. Anybody who still dreams otherwise
is an obsessive.
Religious faith is an internal, spiritual matter, not a question of
geopolitics. Bigotry and pride are the enemy of faith.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam are only branches of the same tree.
The above ethnic, political, geographical, revanchist attitude you
cite is one of the most dangerous ideas to the survival of humanity.
The reason I write "return" to Palestine in quotes is that European
Jews - the main ones who were behind Zionism - are mainly of
Caucasian, not Semitic stock.
The Semites are the Palestinians and other Arabs.
It follows that Zionism and associated forms of Arabophobia are the
only significant anti-Semitic forces still extant.
You need to really think through that Zionist brainwashing a lot
more, Ray, and intensively.
It's very deadly poison for our human race.
I think we all appreciate the contributions to civilization made by
the Jewish people, but is the price being asked too high?
I trust that sooner or later we would have worked out what we needed
on our own.
To be brutally frank, your mercurial minority of a couple percent of
egomaniacs really asks much too much of the rest of us.
Asking us to all go to nuclear armageddon for your mythical kingdom,
real estate scam and continual war crime called Zion is far, far too much!

Definition:
Zionism is a political, revanchist form of European colonialism
having much in common with other militaristic, anti-humanist,
fanatical ideologies like fascism, stalinism, and fundamentalism.

It is a kind of Kool-Aid cult, an anti-religious hijacking of
religious symbols in the service of a suicidally insane political ideology.

It is to the credit of the Jewish people that many of the most
perceptive critiques of Zionism come from Jewish thinkers.
Eric Hufschmidt is right that the mental cowardice of the Gentiles
has enabled Zionism by default, but remember that they are
handicapped by the Holocaust. That was engineered by the new world
order cabal - as Tarpley shows in his George Bush: the Unauthorized
Biography, Hitler was placed in power by the Anglo-American
financiers, including Prescott Bush. These string-pullers need to be exposed.

Zionism has been artificially created and propagated at the very top
levels of the anglo-american imperial elite, at the level of the 3
Rs, Rothschild, Rockefeller and Royal Family, not at the level of the
poor schmucks from the shtetls who died in the camps. They were
merely cannon fodder for the Zionist project.

As Ben Gurion, the Zionist deity, said, "I don't care if half the
Jews in Europe have to die so the other half come to Palestine."

For more such eye-opening facts, take a look at the online book,
"Zionism in the Age of the Dictators," by a courageous man of
conscience, the Marxist Jew Lenni Brenner, at
www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/

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Message 17
From: "janet phelan" jcphelan10@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:06am(PDT)
Subject: Our Personal Challenge at This Point in History

As human beings, we are invested in our personal
safety and well-being. The impetus towards individual
survival is genetically built in to our biological
makeup, and for very good reason. Without it, an
individual would not be able to survive.

The capacity to feel empathy and connectedness with
others is also inherent in human beings, but in
varying endowments. The predominance of ego, which
steers us through our lives ("don't cross the street
now, you'll get hit by a bus," "invest in gold for a
secure future," etc.) may become expanded to a degree
where the ability to empathize and care about others
is diminished to a degree where others are only seen
as tools for one's own personal desires, or as
un-real, like stick figures in one's personal
landscape.

There is a woman in confinement at this point in time
who appears to be in enormous peril. You probably do
not know Susan Lindauer; I do not know Susan Lindauer,
although I have spoken with friends and a family
member about her plight. She has been separated off
from her support system and placed into a situation
where those who wish to do her harm have her at their
disposal.

Susan was transferred, again. She is now in
confinement in New York City. As of last night, Jay
Fields did not know exactly where. He told me that
when the government goes to court against her on May
3, they will attempt to have her committed. At that
point in time, she will have lost her ability to make
any further decisions for herself.

Let's return to the problem of self-involvement.
Those who do not know Susan Lindauer may not be too
concerned that an activist/dissident/reporter may just
disappear off the grid. So let's be clear here how
this may affect those reading this email.

Bush has been designing programs so that we may all be
tested for "mental health." Those of us who, like
Susan Lindauer, are activists/dissidents/truth
tellers, may soon find ourselves shackled to a bed
next to Susan Lindauer.

If, indeed, she survives that long.

I am requesting one last time that those concerned
about the efforts to silence one single brave voice,
please contact me. We may be able to do some
organizing and run some interference in what appears
to be an attempt to destroy a woman's life.

And many, many thanks to "Ralph" who took my last post
about Susan Lindauer and has been disseminating it
elsewhere. Thanks also to Kenji at KDRT, The Gilberts
at Peeringintodarknessradio.com, and to Ralph
Schoenman, all of whom did radio shows about Susan
Lindauer's plight.

Janet C. Phelan

janetcphelan@yahoo.com

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Message 18
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:37am(PDT)
Subject: Re: [issuesonline] Fwd: IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE DEMOCRATIC UPRISING I

Dear Satbir Singh Bedi ,

Your letter is the view of an intelligent man of good will who as a young man sought equality and fraternity in communism and socialism only to learn from first hand experience what governments of one party must become -- a new elite class using their control of the state for their own personal interests. I value your letter because it proves to me that men like yourself, the kind of man that I have always hoped would come to the fore in these dark days, really do exist, can still exist. I have long reached the point where I do not trust ideologies or systems or parties or institutions -- because all of these become corrupted when men who do not care about the lives of others assume control. I think that any system worked if there were enough people to desire and trust above all else true goodness in the human heart -- rather than the ability to make money or control votes. Mohandas K. Gandhi was such a man.

You say you are of the lower middle class. So am I. Maybe this is why your message is extra clear and reasonable and right to me. It is the lower middle class that is most dramatically transformed under good government. How good life - and prospects for the future - can be for the common man if the power of the common man can just be released by freedom and small reasonable holdings of capital.

You remark the importance of the market system for good ordering of human affairs -- giving examples of how central control of the economy ends in waste and corruption and want.

You tell how the Nepalese people are being offered the choice of feudalism or Maoism. Feudalism because the feudal elites control the state and the means of making money -- and possessing power they use it to keep power. The Maoists -- if they are like the Maoists of Peru or Colombia in Latin America -- bankroll their revolution with drug money. But who or what will bankroll the cause good government, of a republic with popular representation, balance of interests, good law that fosters the middle classes so that the poor become middle class and the richest become not much better off than the upper middle class? What power to you and I have to further a pro-middle-class humanitarian with our "small" backgrounds and current small power? Well of course you know the answer: We write letters to the internet in the hope that more intelligent people of good will will read and agree and add more to the intellectual forces for good government.

It appears to me that the aristocratic principle behind Nepalese feudalism is triumphing around the world -- ruling elites who crush the pro-middle-class (populist) strivings to make their own exalted secure world that rides on the backs of the rest of us.

What is the solution? Today elections are won by the biggest money backing and political parties are necessarily oligarchical. The communists offer a dictatorship of the proletariat -- but you have very well explained how that always will end up -- a new authoritarian class, a new class even more pervasive in its oppressions.

I know -- and you do too -- that education of the masses in the principles of government and economy and justice and sociology and human behavior is an important part of the solution -- but in my country the means of education and of news information are monopolized by the deviant aristocracy of money -- the lords of capitalism.

There is one area where I have trouble agreeing with you. You say:

"For achieving the goal of relief from
poverty, Nepalese people would have to think calmly
and force the King to abdicate and then the Nepalese
people should elect a Government on the basis of free
and fair elections of a party which governs the
country the least and allows it to develop by the free
play of the market forces. In other words, they have
to privatize and globalize."

It is the last sentence that I question. I would say that the economy must be largely in the hands of the people, not in the hands of the government -- and the market system should regulate the interactions among individuals -- with regulation to enforce contract and prevent monopoly. Perhaps the government can run some utilities -- or it should regulate the utilities so that they are regulated monopolies -- like bridges and roads, like electric power or water -- where the books are opened and where public interest groups and free newspaper reporters etc. can always know what is going on. But now we come to the word "globalize" --

I believe in international trade of goods and of raw materials -- but I do not believe in "free trade" in terms of giant corporations ruling the earth, of unregulated flows of capital buying and selling governments, booming and busting a country at will and with all the political leverage such money power implies.

A corporation is a small communist entity -- no market system works within it -- it is a centrally planned economy -- it works by gaining unfair favor from governments -- it becomes an imortal person that has an army of corporation lawyers working against the interests of the people of the earth.

There must be capital -- but it must not be controlled by a handful of billionaire and trillionaire families. Captial must be decentralized in small banks in every town and village -- where small entrepreneurs can get loans to make something better or less expensive in their own community. We need more Thomas Edisons and Henry Fords in my country and fewer Enrons and Chase Manhatten Banks and Kissinger Associates and Halliburtons. (You have equivalent names and institutions for your own country I am sure.)

Corporations and finance capitalism are not good government in a market-system commonwealth. Market system is sepearable from big corporations -- which are feudal in nature.

Today the super rich own the governments and governments to the bidding of corporations -- the bankers and corporation lawyers ruling in a system of anarcho-capitalism -- where governments are gutted and sold off just like bankrupted corporations. This is not free enterprise and good government. This is anarcho-capitalism -- rule by the most ruthless.

I hope you will comment.

Sincerely,

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington USA
Every man is responsible to every other man.

----- Original Message -----
From: satbir singh
To: issuesonline@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [issuesonline] Fwd: IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE DEMOCRATIC UPRISING IN NEPAL

Dear Eastman,

We cannot call it democratic uprising. It is actually
a Communist (Maoist) uprising for which the Feudal
system in Nepal is responsible. The Communists are
taking advantage of the abject poverty in Nepal to
further their cause. In this context, I am relating
my own experience regarding communism.

As a young man in my twenties coming from a lower
middle class background, I was greatly impressed by
the teachings of socialism and communism which
emphasised equality and fraternity.

I even bought a copy of Karl Marx's "Das Capital" but
could not make head or tail of it except that
communism was in theory a system characterised by
collective ownership of property and by organisation
of labour for the common advantage of all members that
sounded good and well intentioned in theory.

However, when I joined the secretariat in 1969, I
found out after sometime that in practice, socialism
and communism were systems in which the state planned
and controlled the economy.

Rationing, quota and licensing systems had become
order of the day and many economical and business
enterprises were set up under the control of the
government called Public Sector Undertakings (PSUs).

I found that government servants and the servants of
PSUs were very conscious of their rights but hardly
conscious of their duties. Everybody thought that
everybody else would do the work and the work except
the work relating to Parliament matters and other
urgent work, remained pending.

The PSUs actually worked as if they were of the
government, for the government and by the government.
They had palatial guesthouses which were used by the
ministers and government officers who came on tour
ostensibly for Government work but actually for rest
and recreation.

Their vehicles were also made to run for the ministers
and the Govt officers for visits to their places of
interest so that they could tell their children and
grandchildren which tourist places they had visited
when they occupied those high offices.

Needless to add that breakfast, lunches and dinners
etc. were also arranged by the PSUs.

They also provided staff to the Central Government
departments concerned for doing the work of the
department.

Result was that the PSUs were soon getting into red
and due to rationing, quota and licensing systems and
the losses suffered by the PSUs, the economy of the
country was ruined by the then socialist government of
Indira Gandhi.

So, an ardent socialistic man like me soon became
disillusioned with socialism and communism,
particularly because it was so difficult to travel in
DTC buses, standing in ration shop lines and waiting
for the scooter, LPG and telephone connection to
become available.

Then I thought of studying socialism and communism at
length. I found out that in communism, a single, often
authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make
progress toward a higher social order in which all
goods are equally shared by the people.

Since everything is owned and controlled by the State
and there is no competition which is an incentive for
personal excellence, nobody takes interest in his work
and soon the work of the State begins to suffer
especially when the single authoritarian party which
holds power, is weak.

This is what happened in erstwhile USSR and other East
European communist countries.

So, it may be noted from above that communists may be
well intentioned but soon, they evolve a system where
everything is controlled by the State which means
politicians and bureaucracy. But Feudalism which is
currently prevalent in Nepal in which aristocracy
enjoys all the power under a dictatorial Monarch is
even worst. At present, the people in Nepal are so
fed up by this feudal system that they cannot plan to
have a free enterprising system in which the market
forces would play their role and ensure development of
Nepal. For achieving the goal of relief from
poverty, Nepalese people would have to think calmly
and force the King to abdicate and then the Nepalese
people should elect a Government on the basis of free
and fair elections of a party which governs the
country the least and allows it to develop by the free
play of the market forces. In other words, they have
to privatize and globalize. Even their agriculture
can only be developed through the participation of
corporate sector . However, this requires calm
thinking on the part of the Nepalese people. A lot of
reforms in the laws would have to be undertaken. At
present, there does not seem much option in this
regard because people in Nepal are not able to see
through the Communists' game and they would support a
Communist Government only. Let us hope for the best.
It would be adviseable if India and USA could play a
role and impress upon the Monarch to abdicate and call
for free and fair elections. Of course, elections
would be won by Communists seeing the present trend
but ultimately, people would get disillusioned with
them also which may pave the way for economic,
political and judicial reforms.

Satbir Singh Bedi

--- Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:

> I don't want to be a critic, but would someone who
> knows please tell me what is "democratic" about the
> uprising in Nepal and how can we trust that it is
> so?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sanjay Gathia
> To: undisclosed-recipients:
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:23 PM
> Subject: [issuesonline] Fwd: IN SOLIDARITY WITH
> THE DEMOCRATIC UPRISING IN NEPAL
>
>
> Dear All,
> Please extend all your support
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Tapan Bose <buboo_1946@yahoo.com>
> Date: Apr 23, 2006 8:42 AM
> Subject: IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE DEMOCRATIC
> UPRISING IN NEPAL
>
>
> Please support this statement, publicise it in
> your
> country and send copies to your government, Nepal
> embassy and the UN agencies who are still
> supporting
> the king
>
>
> IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE DEMOCRATIC UPRISING IN
> NEPAL
>
>
> The compromise proposed by King Gyanendra of Nepal
> on
> Friday, April 21st evening, which envisages his
> continuance as a constitutional monarch, is a
> last-ditch attempt to perpetuate the old order. It
> will not satisfy the demand for the establishment
> of a
> true democracy in the country, for the fulfillment
> of
> which the nation has risen in a spontaneous and
> mass
> revolt.
> We must recall that the pledge to go in for an
> elected
> Constituent Assembly had first been made through
> the
> Interim Government of Nepal Act, 1951, proclaimed
> by
> King Tribhuvan in February 1951. After a long
> period
> of democratic struggle, the political parties led
> by
> the Nepali Congress formed a coalition government
> in
> April 1990 and worked out yet another compromise
> with
> the palace. Their failure to elect a Constituent
> Assembly vitiated the promise of democracy. The
> vitiation resulted in the declaration of a
> People's
> War in February 1996. After a long period of State
> repression and political violence, all the
> democratic
> forces in the country are once again united on the
> core demand for an elected Constituent Assembly.
> The latest proposal of king Gyanendra to go back
> to
> the old order, after all the violence and turmoil
> the
> country has been through, appears to be senseless
> in
> not taking cognizance of the aspiration of the
> Nepali
> people to be masters of their own destiny. It is
> also
> bereft of any pragmatic value. As the inexorable
> effervescence of democratic uprising in the
> country
> demonstrates, the monarchical tyranny in the
> country
> does not fulfill even the minimal criterion of an
> effective regime with at least some semblance of
> legitimacy. Not only are the people of Nepal out
> on
> the streets, even the government officials, in
> growing
> numbers, appear to have joined the democratic
> uprising. It must also be pointed out that the
> international law forbids external interventions
> that
> go against the political will of a sovereign
> people.
> The consequences of any attempt to stem the tide
> of
> democratic uprising in the country with brutal
> force
> or political subterfuge can only be tragic and
> politically volatile.
>
> The international community of nations and the
> civil
> society, especially in South Asia, have an
> obligation
> to try to avert the repression of Nepal's
> democratic
> will through violence. It is their duty to
> recognize
> and support the arduous and peaceful struggle of
> the
> people of Nepal to attain a framework of rule of
> law
> that democratizes all important positions of
> authority
> within the State. The procedures and the politics
> of
> the constitutional process can vary but they
> cannot
> develop without respect for the idea of the
> sovereignty of people; the current state of
> democratic
> uprising being a powerful assertion of it.
>
> The struggle of the Nepali people to attain a
> democratic framework of rule of law has been going
> on
> for long. It has survived myriad betrayals and
> impediments since November 1950 when India first
> intervened to actively support the demands for a
> democratic constitution, fundamental rights, free
> and
> fair elections and brokered a compromise between
> the
> feudal and democratic forces. King Gyanendra
> terminated the incomplete experiment of democratic
>
> transition initiated by his brother in April 1990
> by
> usurping all executive powers of State through a
> proclamation of Emergency made by him on 1
> February
> 2005. Despite the reign of brutal military
> repression
> unleashed by the State, people of Nepal, in urban
> areas and more significantly in the countryside,
> have
> once again risen in massive numbers to defy
> tyranny
> and totalitarianism. Hundreds of thousands of
> people
> are disregarding the curfew, shoot at sight
> orders,
> killing, bludgeoning, torture and imprisonment to
> defy
> the monarchic tyranny and to demand true democracy
> and
> the rule of law. Yet, the international community
> of
> States has done little to support the democratic
> struggle. On the contrary, it has helped prop up
> the
> illegal regime with military hardware and
> political
> support, which it has been using implacably to
> defeat
> the democratic upsurge. This must stop. Nepal is
> in
> the danger of descending deeper into the world of
> violent anarchy, with irrevocable consequences for
> the
> stability and security of entire South Asia,
> unless
> the governments and the people of all the
> countries in
> the region speak in one voice against the current
> regression of the monarchic tyranny to its
> medieval
> mould.
>
> We are here to extend our support and solidarity.
> We
> appeal to the international community of States
> and
> the civil society in the region and outside to
> ensure
> that the extraordinary phenomenon of democratic
> uprising in the country in evidence today is not
> thwarted once again with repression, violence,
> political ruse and strategic manipulations.
>
>
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Message 19
From: "rayantoky@aol.com" rayantoky@aol.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:11am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Zionism, mortal enemy of Judaism

While i agree with much that you wrote you merely reinforce my point. Yes
I'm a Jew, I believe in the coming of Mashiah, I'm not Ashkenaz, my family came
from Syria and Spain before that, all the isms and ists don't define what I
speak about.
Enemies of the Jewish people including many from within have created the
hornets nests of which you speak. We are the people of the book, chosen by God
to bring light to the world.(Sorry if you don't like that but it's what we
believe). If you choose to spit at me that is your prerogative. We believe in a
final redemption, return from exile, the first coming of the Mashiach, and
all the other tenets of our heritage. Like I said before Jewish identity is
based on return to our God given land. The methods and misuses of power by
irresponsible, unenlightened individuals is not what represents the true Jew. You
cannot shake the belief of a true Jew and you cannot question his inner
fire. Only through study and practice do the true secrets and understanding
emerge. Remember I'm on the inside, you are on the outside. All that crap about
ism doesn't have anything to do with what I wrote, sorry. Read the article I
linked to previously . It's the spirituality, not the geography. When the true
Jews are worthy, we will be returned by The Creator to our righteous home.
Pooh pooh all this if you must. And you should because its not your domain, not
within the realm of your belief or understanding nor is it your
responsibility to understand what makes a Jew tick. It is a pity that some Jews give
others a bad name and a pity that some non-Jews do the same. But we live and pray
for the world to change for the best and soon.
Ray,
exiled in Bklyn

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Message 20
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 0:00pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Zionism, mortal enemy of Judaism

But the way ray put it that you can't separate Zionism from Judaism (the true sense of zionism, not the death brought upon the world by the douglas feith, richard pearl et al.) as far as i understand it that zionism has been taken over by nookular crazies and they are calling it zionism to fool people into thinking its the true zionism the kind that ray was describing). Its like calling a color green when it really isn't green and telling people that its green but when you look at it more closely its really not green at all! you see what i'm trying to say (pardon the pun). false zionism trying to act like real zionism. The false being pushed by the puppet-masters.

I think the very first thing said in the art of war,

All warfare is about disception..........

John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net> wrote:
Ray Antoky wrote

It is a kind of Kool-Aid cult, an anti-religious hijacking of
religious symbols in the service of a suicidally insane political ideology.

As Ben Gurion, the Zionist deity, said, "I don't care if half the
Jews in Europe have to die so the other half come to Palestine."

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Message 21
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 0:14pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?

I was terrified and desperate when I started making these one liners in
front of news stands, even in pro dem areas, but I do this mostly where the
GOP’s local bas is now.

What was funny, was the response I got was more positive, more shocking,
more feeling that people were coming our form under their rocks as it was
now safe since I had broached the subject, even police officers nodding
their heads in agreement the few times I tried to see what kind of reaction
I’d get, then I did in Dem areas which was more of a ‘what can we do about
it’ sort of feeling. SO the Dems may have acknowledged this first, but I did
it in such a way that it wasn’t threatening to anyone ones political base.
Let them decide who ‘they are, that think we are morons” though I still am
afraid of someone speaking up and affirming we are morons and that tit is
the job of those that we elect to tell us what we want, though in 4.5 years
that hasn’t happened.

I was never a public speaker, I was terrified to start doing this, so the
one liner tactic worked well and unless I make 2 or three comments in a
minute or two rarely has someone asked my opinion on anything, but they do
talk to their friends IN PUBLIC about it.

You and I and others on this group are outta the closet, now we can make it
easier for others to come out of the closet just by showing them that the US
SS doesn’t suck us up when we speak out, and that is the beauty of going to
the same places week after week only a couple of times a week, I am new
enough to not become part of the decorations and they don’t hear this day
after day, it gives them time to form some sort of an opinion of their own.
911 Truth action is easy to remember, so I’ll mention that as a group to
look for good information.

-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 6:52 AM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?

> It is something like 10-100 times more effective, the word of mouth
> campaigns.
>
> It also takes 10 good things to equal out one well placed negative.
>
> I loved my country, I do not trust my government.
>
> I have often said things like that in public and while looking as sad as I
> feel, ask to those around me in general, can anyone tell me one or two
> incidents where our government trusts us? All these laws showing that they
> fear us just makes me feel worse.
>
> The seeds of doubt and wonderment that someone could actually say out loud
> what many feel, and then not get killed or hauled off by Big Brother does
> wonders for letting others know that it is safe to discuss their fears in
> public and at that point, we are just that much more empowered to produce
> change.
>
> Sure wish we had a political alternative to refer folks to that would make
a
> difference rather than who is the lesser of the evils and how can we be
sure
> they are..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:21 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
> And word my mouth really spreads fast !!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 1:57 AM
> Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
>
> > Yeah kitty, you do the same things I do.
> >
> > Those that knew from the beginning that this was an inside job or really
> > suspected it, have already done some research on their own, we are
opening
> > the thoughts and minds of those that just didn't notice the magicians
bag
> > of tricks.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:45 PM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> > been?
> >
> > Jolly Roger first i try to find out if they have turned on him,then i
tell
> > them what searches to do,if you tell the folks the truth straight off
> there
> > mouth falls open,and they clam up,you might say i plant a seed,enough to
> get
> > them searching,most think im crazy,i have to go slow,i let them find out
> on
> > there own,i give enough info for that person that i think he can deal
with
> > it,when they say where did you hear that,i say i found it on
> Goggle,besides
> > women are low life here,i dare not tell a man anything,his ego will make
> him
> > search,he will be the big shot to his buddies.
> > Im from Ca. fourth generation,im her because my daughter is here.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
> > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:06 AM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> > been?
> >
> >
> > > Kitty - Scott has an excellent approach here, but since I work with
New
> > Yorkers instead of rednecks, lately I've been saying things like "you're
a
> > naive idiot if you believe that bullshit," and other similarly offensive
> > remarks. (maybe I'm becoming angry at the fools) Another new approach of
> > mine is to mention in a list the Luiatania, the Maine, the Gulf of
Tonkin,
> > and Pearl harbor and say "They pull the same trick before every war, and
> the
> > American people are still dumb enough to keep falling for it."
> > >
> > > Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> > w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> > Working rednecks huh? I have a pretty good handle on them.
> > >
> > > I don't tell them nuthin, I ask them things like, They really think
> that
> > we believe 3 buildings came down when only 2 planes hit ad the fire
wasn't
> > hot enough to do a brush burn! (just a statement) but if you can make a
> > statement them say, they really think we are that stupid, don't they?
That
> > tactic works wonders. No one wants to be called stupid.
> > >
> > > When I get my rare cups of coffee the newspaper stand is right next
to
> > me, I take every advantage to say something like, did you see in this
> paper
> > that they said this BS? What do they take us for, idiots? And do the
> > question statement thing, get my coffee and get the hell outta there,
> cause
> > they are now thinking. On a good day I can have all within earshot
talking
> > about this, and I don't mean whispering and I do this in the republican
> sewn
> > up area of my county. In under a year, even the Bush/Cheney people will
> not
> > attack 9/11 comments and many will say, someone must be threatening our
> > pResident or he'd do something about this!
> > >
> > > I never say what they have to believe, I make a semi statement of
> fact,
> > and then ask questions. The moment you take a solid stance, they can
shut
> > you off and they can just deny anything you say, so I ask them for their
> > opinion, or say "You believes this and that , don't you? After all, you
> > don't look as stupid as those folks seem to think we voters are" That
is,
> > ask a question and make them right and note that they aren't idiots,
even
> of
> > you may personally think they are.
> > >
> > > At the very least, it is progress and without that, we're all dead
if
> > we're lucky and if not luck, we'd indentured servitude in the work force
> > prison of choice of the Multi nationals.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:54 PM
> > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> > been?
> > >
> > > Kevin,im trying to work the Bible Belt without my head blown off by
a
> > red
> > > neck !!
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kevin Hammond" <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> > > been?
> > >
> > >
> > > > The internet is NOT ENOUGH. There are millions that do NOT have
> access.
> > > We are now getting down to the wire and must pull out ALL of the stops
> and
> > > LITTERALLY do EVERYTHING that we can to get this information OUT! The
> > > alternative is a MASSIVE one world police state the likes of which NO
> ONE
> > > here can possibly fathom. PLEASE! everyone one this group that knows
> > > ANYTHING about 9/11 and false flag terror MUST get out there and
educate
> > as
> > > many people as possible! Otherwisw we are all up a creek without a
> > paddle.
> > > Go to the files section and download flyers and copy them and put them
> > > EVERYWHERE! Burn copies of dvds and give them out. Do whatever you
CAN
> > to
> > > get this information OUT!.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > > www.fightthenwo.org
> > > >
> > > > Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> > > url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape
{
> > > BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } I have always placed my
> faith
> > on
> > > using the internet to expose to the world what they are and what they
> have
> > > done. The 9-11 frameup is a crime big enough that people can't brush
it
> > > aside. Our best hope is to show the world the ample evidence of the
> > > false-flag attack -- and then enlarge that hole until their motives
and
> > > their other crimes are exposed. They cannot withstand public opinion.
> > > >
> > > > It is the only strategy I know -- and it is one I will keep
> > ushing --
> > > but I must admit, in five years I have not seen the people take what
we
> > > already know and use it to enlighten the world.
> > > >
> > > > Charlie Sheen is the best thing that has happened in five years.
> May
> > > circumstances favor his efforts.
> > > >
> > > > Dick Eastman
> > > > Yakima, Washington
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Scott Peden
> > > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:27 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
> > movement
> > > been?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, you are saying that it is hopeless?
> > > >
> > > > Or do you proscribe a course of action as the internet ad our
> freedoms
> > > evaporate all at once?
> > > >
> > > > Or are you depending on the masses to rise up when their
> entertainment
> > > is taken away?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM
> > > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
> movement
> > > been?
> > > >
> > > > The plague will not be like the attack on the Pentagon -- it will
be
> > > beyond our ability to investigate.
> > > >
> > > > Next the nuclear bomb that will be blamed on Iraq -- because
there
> > will
> > > be no invasion right away, they are setting Iran up for blame for the
> > > false-flag nuclear attack -- the bomb that will be blamed on Iran will
> not
> > > leave evidence -- and the sudden loss of all freedoms by the
> declaration
> > > of martial law, including the shutdown of the internet, will not
permit
> > > investigations of any kind.
> > > >
> > > > Or perhaps they will let the internet continue so they can guage
our
> > > thinking and trace our connections -- more for them to lose by
cutting
> us
> > > off.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Scott Legere
> > > >
> > > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:14 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
> > movement
> > > been?
> > > >
> > > > It's amazing what a little awareness can do huh?
> > > >
> > > > mikemeyer1964 <mike.meyer@asm.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > With all of the saber rattling with Iran, I had the following
> > > > thought. I believe that the 911 Truth Movement has been successful
in
> > > > one key area. While we have not broken through to main stream
> > > > America, I believe that we have created enough awareness about 911
> > > > that the gov't has to really think twice before they can stage
another
> > > > False Flag event.
> > > >
> > > > The gov't has gotten away with covering up 911 to date, in part
> > > > because they effectively created a cover story and destroyed the
> > > > evidence very quickly. With enough people aware of what our gov't
is
> > > > capable of now, if they try another False Flag, there will be a lot
of
> > > > people recording every news station and outlet; video and still
> > > > camera's everywhere, and a lot more people asking a lot more
questions
> > > > right after the event. It will be more difficult to cover up
> > > > evidence. I was curious as to everyone's thoughts on what I would
> > > > call a small success for the movement.
> > > >
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Message 22
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." prez@usa-exile.org
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 0:15pm(PDT)
Subject: A Day in the Life: 4/24/6

GOVERNMENT OF THE USA IN EXILE
Free Americans Reaching
Out to Amerika's Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe Free

Via <prez@usa-exile.org>

April 24, 2006

From: Henri the Celt <henrithecelt@gci.net>
Date: April 23, 2006 1:12:51 PM EST
To: AAAHenri <henrithecelt@gci.net>
Subject: Fw: Illinois State Legislature to Drop a Bombshell

From: APFN
Illinois State Legislature to Drop a Bombshell

• Illinois State Legislature to Drop a Bombshell —Bush Impeachment,
Sun Apr 23 01:08

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Bush Impeachment
Illinois State Legislature to Drop a Bombshell
Sun Apr 23, 2006 01:08
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=100680;
title=APFN

April 22, 2006

Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop
a Bombshell
Utilizing a little known rule of the US House to bring Impeachment
charges
http://www.opednews.com/articles/
opedne_steven_l_060422_bush_impeachment___t.htm

by Steven Leser

The Illinois General Assembly is about to rock the nation. Members of
state legislatures are normally not considered as having the ability to
decide issues with a massive impact to the nation as a whole.
Representative Karen A. Yarbrough of Illinois' 7th District is about to
shatter that perception forever. Representative Yarbrough stumbled on a
little known and never utlitized rule of the US House of
Representatives, Section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of the Rules of the
United States House of Representatives, which allows federal
impeachment proceedings to be initiated by joint resolution of a state
legislature. From there, Illinois House Joint Resolution 125 (hereafter
to be referred to as HJR0125) was born.

Detailing five specific charges against President Bush including one
that is specified to be a felony, the complete text of HJR0125 is
copied below at the end of this article. One of the interesting points
is that one of the items, the one specified as a felony, that the NSA
was directed by the President to spy on American citizens without
warrant, is not in dispute. That fact should prove an interesting
dilemma for a Republican controlled US House that clearly is not only
loathe to initiate impeachment proceedings, but does not even want to
thoroughly investigate any of the five items brought up by the Illinois
Assembly as high crimes and/or misdemeanors. Should HJR0125 be passed
by the Illinois General Assembly, the US House will be forced by House
Rules to take up the issue of impeachment as a privileged bill, meaning
it will take precedence over other House business.

The Illinois General Assembly joins a growing chorus of voices calling
for censure or impeachment of President Bush including Democratic state
committees in Vermont, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada and North Carolina
as well as the residents themselves of seven towns in Vermont, seventy
Vermont state legislators and Congressman John Conyers. The call for
impeachment is starting to grow well beyond what could be considered a
fringe movement. An ABC News/Washington Post Poll Conducted April 6-9
showed that 33% of Americans currently support Impeaching President
Bush, coincidentally, only a similar amount supported impeaching Nixon
at the start of the Watergate investigation. If and when Illinois
HJR0125 hits the capitol and the individual charges are publicly
investigated, that number is likely to grow rapidly. Combined with the
very real likelihood that Rove is about to be indicted in the LeakGate
investigation, and Bush is in real trouble beyond his plummeting poll
numbers. His cronies in the Republican dominated congress will probably
save him from the embarassment of an impeachment conviction, for now,
but his Presidency will be all but finished.

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From: Henri the Celt <henrithecelt@gci.net>
Date: April 23, 2006 11:27:01 PM EST
To: cpds@gargoyle.apana.org.au
Subject: Photo: The White Flames Of Thermite At The WTC

The White Flames of Thermite at the WTC
By Christopher Bollyn
4-23-6
http://www.rense.com/general70/whitehot.htm

NOTE: Photo omitted but available at link above. -- kl, pp

In his paper, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science,
Engineering, and Speculation," Prof. Thomas Eagar of MIT wrote:

"Some reports suggest that the aluminum from the aircraft ignited,
creating very high temperatures. While it is possible to ignite
aluminum under special conditions, such conditions are not commonly
attained in a hydrocarbon-based diffuse flame. In addition, the flame
would be white hot, like a giant sparkler. There was no evidence of
such aluminum ignition, which would have been visible even through the
dense soot."

Eagar is apparently unaware of photographs and videos of the World
Trade Center towers that show exactly the white flames that occur when
thermite reacts, producing molten iron and aluminum oxide. In the
process steel can be cut like butter.

When sulphur (2 percent) is added to the aluminum-ferrous oxide
mixture, the compound is known as thermate and the steel cutting
capability is greatly increased because the melting temperature of the
steel is lowered. In this case the steel columns of the WTC could have
been cut as easily as a warm knife slices through butter.

This white flame is located at the same corner of the South Tower, at
the 81st floor, at the same time as the cascade of molten metal flowed
from the corner - at the same level. This thermite reaction appears to
be occurring on the end of a column which has fallen through the
corner. In the previous photo one can see that this metal column
appears to have fallen through the corner.

This white flame is producing whitish oxides - exactly what one would
find with a thermite reaction. This is the aluminum oxide that is
produced in the reaction. The other products are molten iron and an
immense amount of heat.

Clearly something was burning white hot on steel columns at the 81st
floor area and creating a large amount of molten iron. What was burning
here - if not thermite or thermate?

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From: Michelle Sura <michellesura@mac.com>
Date: April 24, 2006 10:56:14 AM EST
To: eon3@earthlink.net, "USA Exile Govt. President" <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: Fwd: STOP the Bunker Buster Simulation in NV and Iran War Plans

From: The Pen <activist.thepen@gmail.com>
Date: April 24, 2006 8:31:31 AM PDT
To: michellesura@mac.com
Subject: STOP the Bunker Buster Simulation in NV and Iran War Plans

This action page is brought to you by the activism of Marcy Winograd,
running for Congress in the 36th District of California:

STOP THE BUNKER BUSTER-TYPE SIMULATION JUNE 2ND IN NEVADA

ACTION PAGE: http://winogradforcongress.com/actions/pnum266.asp

In a recent issue of the New Yorker magazine, investigative journalist
Seymour Hersh reported teams of American combat troops are being sent
into Iran under cover to collect information on military targets, such
as underground storage bunkers. The decision to attack may already have
been made.

Meanwhile, the Department of Energy is preparing for a 700-ton
conventional bomb detonation ("Divine Strake") on June 2, 2006, on the
Western Shoshone Native American reservation (which the tribe strongly
opposes) in Nevada, as a preliminary for the use of actual nuclear
weapons against Iran. If launched, a nuclear "bunker buster" would spew
harmful radiation, potentially killing thousands of innocent people.

The Bush administration seems bent on destabilizing the globe. It
behooves every member of Congress to take a strong stand against a
pre-emptive strike on Iran. Bullying Iran, talking about "regime
change", and simulating large-scale explosions in the Nevada desert
will only undermine diplomatic efforts.

ACTION PAGE: http://winogradforcongress.com/actions/pnum266.asp

Winograd's opponent, Jane Harman, remains non-committal on the subject
of US air strikes against Iran.

American intelligence agencies and the International Atomic Energy
Agency (I.A.E.A.), agree Iran ultimately wants to produce nuclear
weapons. But intelligence officials and the I.A.E.A disagree on how
long it would take for Iran to become a nuclear power. Critics of the
Bush administration argue Iran is several years away from developing a
nuclear weapon.

"The United States has adopted a nuclear double standard," says
Winograd, pointing out that the Bush administration wants to build 125
new nuclear bombs each year. Says Winograd, "If we really want to
ensure peace and tranquility for our children and our children's
children, if we really want to discourage Iran from pursuing nuclear
weapons, then we should honor our commitment to the Nuclear
Non-proliferation Treaty, denounce the first use of nuclear weapons and
model for the world our commitment to reducing our nuclear arsenal."

Winograd also expresses concerns about the military's circumvention of
Congress's authority to declare war. "By sending scouts into Iran to
collect data on military targets, the Bush administration is preparing
for war and undermining the constitutional powers of Congress. Every
lawmaker who sits on the House and Senate Intelligence Committees
should denounce the Bush administration for jeopardizing our national
security."

Winograd is challenging incumbent Congresswoman Jane Harman in the
Democratic Party Primary, June 6th. During the campaign, Winograd has
criticized Harman, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, for
not adequately scrutinizing pre-war intelligence analysts' objections
to the invasion of Iraq. http://winogradforcongress.com/niequotes.htm

"I will vote to cut funding for the Iraq war and bring the troops
home," vows Winograd. "I will reject the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive
war and engage the nation in redefining the meaning of security."

To contribute, endorse, or volunteer to Winograd for Congress, please
visit http://www.winogradforcongress.com

Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories that are supposed
to be ours, and forward this message to everyone else you know.

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--- "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
wrote:

Dear Adam and Brian,
Can either or both of you provide a critique of BOOsch's Earth Day
notion of hydrogen-fueled cars? If you're not comfortable with it,
then what do you recommend instead?
With highest regards,
Pondo

From: "Brian O'Leary" <oleary1998@yahoo.com>
Date: April 23, 2006 8:46:08 AM EST
To: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>, Adam Trombly
<iasa@rof.net>
Subject: Re: For Brian and Adam

Hi Pondo, Hi Adam,

I have posted and written my critiques about the
hydrogen economy in Re-Inheriting the Earth and on
www.newenergymovement.org and www.brianoleary.com.
But since I've met some disasters re. webmastering,
they're sometimes hard to access but are there.

Basically, fuel cells are much too expensive to be
practical (they were invented in the 1830s, ironically
when Faraday was first playing with magnetic motors
that produced "anomalous" energy). The price won't go
down enough to be practical for widespread use. And
hydrogen combustion suffers from the requirement that
it takes more energy to produce than you get out of
it. Hydrogen is therefore useful only as an energy
carrier and not an energy source. This is basic
physics which has been so hacked up by those with
exclusive access to the media.

There are so many more promising technologies on the
horizon, if only they be debated and developed as true
options for the future. Boosh is really dumb about
his "science" and "advice", once again. We live in a
nether-world of illusory "solutions" ballyhooed by big
biz and Bush et al as smokescreens while the pigs once
again line up at the trough. General Murders loves the
idea of hydrogen fuel cells after Bush threw big bucks
towards them to develop them, an exaggerated
"solution" to the oil crisis.

Big biz and Bush would love to transition to a
nuke-biofuel-hydrogen fuel cell economy...there's big
bucks in this, but not practical for widespread use,
which nobody could afford, not least of all Bush's
bankrupt "government". It's like his
Moon-Mars-and-space weapons boondoggle. Nothing
new...

I'm convinced we have to get these thugs out of there
and open up an honest public debate about all
this...if it's still possible.

I think I mentioned that BBC approached me to give an
interview about new energy (vacuum, zero-point, cold
fusion, advanced hydrogen, sonoluminescence, etc.). I
accepted. A day or two before the interview, they
cancelled it and announced that they would cover only
nuclear "hot" fusion, the ongoing multibilliondollar
Tokomak boondoggle. Clearly the executive producer
said "no" to our interview, and not the first time
that's happened to me. I chastised them, but with no
access, what good did it do?

Let us know how you're doing in Bolivia. We're
headed to Montreal to give talks, then to NJ to visit
with Randell Mills and his advanced hydrogen
technologies (BlackLight Power), which do make sense
potentially. Then on to Seattle to speak at a
sustainability conference.

Cheers,

Brian

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From: ufka <ufkartfm@pacific.net>
Date: April 24, 2006 9:57:42 AM EST
To: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: links

greetings folks,

you are receiving this message because i have linked your page
for +/- 10 years and HAVE MOVED YOUR LINK TO a RSS page.

here is a link that will explain what RSS is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS_(protocol)

if one uses the apple Safari browser, when you go to my page:

http://www.flyingsnail.com/

across from the address line, where the web site address is
located, one will see a BLUE RSS graphic (this is how apple
currently identifies there is a rss feed)

if one clicks on that BLUE RSS graphic, one will see the links
and if one clicks on it again, the page will return.

if one uses the current FireFox browser, one will see a different
RSS graphic that is orange and white (this will be the new logo
associated with RSS.

if one clicks on the ORANGE and WHITE RSS graphic, it will ask
if one wants to add a bookmark and if one clicks ADD ... the
RSS feed will appear as a bookmark with all the links sites
listed in it.

if one is using the older firefox browser, the RSS FEED will
appear at the bottom of the page in the form of a WREATH and
clicking on it will do the same as the above.

since i refuse to use microsoft products, i do not have a clue
how it works on MSIE (the Explorer browser) and I HIGHLY
RECOMMEND USING FIREFOX RATHER THAT MSIE, BECAUSE MICROSOFT SEEMS
TO REFUSE TO FIX SERIOUS EXPLOITS QUICKLY; LEAVING THE USER TO
'FEND FOR THEMSELVES'.

another thing most folks do not understand is what the ORANGE
and WHITE logo under the Babel Fish translation graphic is about.

if one clicks on it:

http://www.flyingsnail.com/rss

one will see an 'odd page'.

the ORANGE and WHITE RSS graphic link is there to be RIGHT CLICKED
ON and "Copy Link Location" selected in order to paste the link into
a "READER".

there is a line under that graphic that says, "LINKS via RSS", which
is a link to another explaination for RSS and lists some of the
readers. in case anyone is interested, i use the NET NEWS WIRE reader
on the older G4 (mac) and the RSS feed on the Safari browser.

for the other machines (linux/freebsd/etc.) i use the bookmark method
under firefox.

i moved the links because of my current situation, which i seldom
share with anyone, but since some of you thought 'other things',
allow me to make this perfectly clear, i am tired of constantly
being under attack and am going to do something about it.

this summer i will celebrate my 40th year in computing and as
some of you know, it has not been a 'smooth path'.

http://www.flyingsnail.com/missingbbs/8BBS.html

most of you will not understand the below, so this is what happened.

after gilmore (our ex house mate) pissed off the cyberpunk community
anyone with a toad.com address got attacked; i.e., guilt by association.

http://cypherpunks.venona.com/
http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1996/11/

more recently, death threats during the 2000 and 2004 elections over
nobody for president, and since dahbud and balzac started posting,
dahbud's camper was destroyed and there are those who take random shots
at the signs across from the house (pictures later).

there is a lot more going on (cyberwars) and (tmalss) most of you
wouldn't understand it anyway; however, (fwiw) my friend the isp has
to run my email through two outside sources to eliminate spam and viral
attacks, and about 50 to 100 messages a day manage to slip through,
which are trapped in my "iron box".

finally, none of this was a surprise, was expected, and (smile) as one
may know, i don't back down easily.

if you no longer want to be linked, let me know.

~@~

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From: martin <martmmc@aol.com>
Date: April 23, 2006 11:19:06 AM EST
To: "USA Exile Govt. President" <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: "i never bow to the laws of the thought police"

"living with war" neil young's new songs online april 28

visit
http://www.neilyoung.com
http://www.neilyoung.com/lww/lww.html
http://www.neilyoung.com/lww/2livingwithwar_lyrics.html

expect cd release early may

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Message 23
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 0:18pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Illinois State Legislature Preparing to Drop a Bombshell

The url is cut in half kitty.
Copy and paste both sections to your browser window.

This happens a lot when URL’s are sent so I make hotlinks as an alternative
as they don’t break up when sending.

I never figured out how to use the ‘tiny link’ which is an alternative to
using IE’s hotlink.

-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 6:14 AM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Illinois State Legislature Preparing to Drop a
Bombshell

This won't open for me.

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Message 24
From: "JP Liggett" JP@JPLiggett.com
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 0:57pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Illinois State Legislature Preparing to Drop a Bombshell

tinyurl.com

"Scott Peden"
<scotpeden@cruzio
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Sent by: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
911TruthAction@ya cc
hoogroups.com
Subject
RE: [911TruthAction] Illinois State
04/24/2006 03:18 Legislature Preparing to Drop a
PM Bombshell

Please respond to
911TruthAction@ya
hoogroups.com

The url is cut in half kitty.

Copy and paste both sections to your browser window.

This happens a lot when URL´s are sent so I make hotlinks as an alternative
as they don´t break up when sending.

I never figured out how to use the `tiny link´ which is an alternative to
using IE´s hotlink.

This won't open for me.

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Message 25
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:20pm(PDT)
Subject: Zionism, 9-11 investigation, establishing guilty parties and prevent

The perpetrators of the September 11, 2001 mass-murder crime have not yet been brought to justice, but they have been identified by investigators working from the available evidence. We know that the leadership at the Pentagon were involved by the attack evidence, e.g., http://bedoper.com/eastman , and the facts of the air-defense standdown and the conduct of the Pentagon leadership both before and after the attack. Among those implicated are Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Donald Rumsfeld, Douglas Feith, Dov Zakheim, David Wurmser, Newt Gingrich.

The next question should be who or what is behind these men? Who put them where they are -- that is who told Bush that these are the men we need guiding the nation's defenses etc.?

Each of these men has a background among the power elite. Ideologically they are "neoconservatives", and pro-Israel and some have a strong "Zionist" orientation and history (e.g. Dov Zakheim.)

The question is -- assuming the above men are knowing participants in the 9-11 false-flag inside-job crime -- what can we say about the nature of the operation?

Henry Kissinger's Kissinger Associates has had a large part in the reconstruction of Iraq. Kissinger is an agent of the Rockefeller interests and he makes money by selling connections to the princelings ruling China. Are his corporation or the Rockefeller interests or China then possibly involved in 9-11?

Richard Perle has ties to Israel and to the Rothschilds. Who does his involvement in 9-11 implicate?

Dov Zakheim has been a devout Zionist and has been the CEO of a company that specializes in remote controlled air combat. Did he participate in 9-11 because he thought it would benefit the security and well-being of Israel?

Newt Gingrich (also on Richard Perle's Defense Policy Board with Kissinger and Wolfowitz etc. in the months leading up to 9/11/01) has always called himself a Rockefeller Republican, has always promoted a globalist agenda in Congress and a pro-Israel agenda. Again we ask, are the Rockefeller interests thus implicated on the basis of what their minion has participated in?

And so raise these questions and look at connections and at possible motives.

Israel's security needs are a motive that would be strong with many of these men.

War profits would also be a motive --

War lending would also be a motive -- Rothschilds, Rockefellers.

Reconstruction profits would be a motive.

The transformation to a war-industires economy from a middle-class-interests economy would be another motive.

Maybe it is impossible to get the answers we need without a political revolution that would put all of these people in a witness stand before a secure and protected special prosecutor assured of the backing of an awakened population and (honest) public officials mindful of the probable treason.

I cannot imagine that the 9/11/01 crime was perpetrated by money interests and Zionist interests without the fore-knowledge and cooperation of Israel/Mossad. In fact, planning and executing 9-11 on American soil would have required planning somewhere else -- and NOT in some cave in Afganistan.

So let us start with these guilty men -- and work backwards and forwards until we find who they were working for. What do you say?

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.

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