Wednesday, August 17, 2005
Video available on web page. Military lawyers blocked meeting with govt. lawyers. (Principle wasn't in meetings with lawyers.)
Silly, silly explanation (about why lawyers stopped referral).
Blogger Comment: Great background related to Sibel Edmonds' Case
Mistakes led to tube shooting
11.05PM, Tue Aug 16 2005
ITV News has obtained secret documents and photographs that detail why police shot Jean Charles De Menezes dead on the tube.
The Brazilian electrician was killed on 22 July, the day after the series of failed bombings on the tube and bus network.
The crucial mistake that ultimately led to his death was made at 9.30am when Jean Charles left his flat in Scotia Road, South London.
Surveillance officers wrongly believed he could have been Hussain Osman, one of the prime suspects, or another terrorist suspect.
By 10am that morning, elite firearms officers were provided with what they describe as "positive identification" and shot De Menezes eight times in the head and upper body.
The documents and photographs confirm that Jean Charles was not carrying any bags, and was wearing a denim jacket, not a bulky winter coat, as had previously been claimed.
He was behaving normally, and did not vault the barriers, even stopping to pick up a free newspaper.
He started running when we saw a tube at the platform. Police had agreed they would shoot a suspect if he ran.
A document describes CCTV footage, which shows Mr de Menezes entered Stockwell station at a "normal walking pace" and descended slowly on an escalator.
The document said: "At some point near the bottom he is seen to run across the concourse and enter the carriage before sitting in an available seat.
"Almost simultaneously armed officers were provided with positive identification."
A member of the surveillance team is quoted in the report. He said: "I heard shouting which included the word `police' and turned to face the male in the denim jacket.
"He immediately stood up and advanced towards me and the CO19 officers. I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side.
"I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had been previously sitting. I then heard a gun shot very close to my left ear and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage."
The report also said a post mortem examination showed Mr de Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, but three other bullets missed, with the casings left lying in the tube carriage.
Police have declined to comment while the mistaken killing is still being investigated.
Blogger Comment: Interesting but not on the money for my taste. Bush isn't the problem. 9/11 was caused by personnel in the Bush Admin, but it's not clear that even had foreknowledge. He's a puppet. As Bush says himself he "catapults the propaganda". There is every reason to think Cheney is more in charge than Bush.
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Blogger Comments: (I shouldn't be lighthearted about what looks to be fairly serious, but) RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
Whitewash Crew Attempts to Bury Able Danger Revelations
August 16th, 2005 Kurt-->
It really is a no-brainer: Mohamed Atta (and his doubles) was allowed to run around the country unmolested, apparently plotting mayhem (as instructed), even though a DIA op dubbed Able Danger discovered him and attempted sound the alarm. In a lame effort to bury this damaging revelation, nine eleven whitewash commission taskmasters Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton issued a joint statement declaring “that panel staff members have found no documents or other witnesses to back up claims made by a U.S. Navy officer, who told the commission staff in July 2004 that he recalled seeing Atta’s name and photograph on a chart prepared by another officer. Panel officials also said they have found no evidence to support similar claims made to reporters by a second person, a former defense intelligence official,” reports the Washington Post. “None of the documents turned over to the commission mention Mohamed Atta or any of the other future hijackers,” the whitewash commission statement continued. “Nor do any of the staff notes on documents reviewed in the [Defense Department] reading room indicate that Mohamed Atta or any of the other future hijackers were mentioned in any of those documents.” I guess Kean and Hamilton never heard of a paper shredder.
“The importance of this week’s revelation that an Army intelligence unit was tracking Mohamed Atta’s movements in the U.S. during 1999 and 2000 is so mind-boggling that it seems nobody quite gets it yet,” opines Daniel Hopsicker. “Here’s the big question nobody seems to be ready to ask: Upon what basis did the 9.11 Commission conclude that the FBI’s timeline was correct and that an elite Army Intel unit was mistaken in saying they were tracking Mohamed Atta roaming freely across America during 1999 and 2000?” Another no-brainer: the FBI timeline fits the official nine eleven cover story whereas the timeline brought to light by Congress critter Curt Weldon does not. “This is much ado about nothing,” declared a senior Pentagon official, attempting to bury the damn thing. It really is an embarrassment and needs to be buried along with a dog bone and junior’s homework, preferably in the depths of Foggy Bottom where the skeletons are stacked high.
Back in 2002, it was revealed (by Oliver Schroem in the German publication Die Zeit) that the CIA knew exactly what their proxy (al-CIA-duh) was up to as they had Malaysian spooks monitoring an al-CIA-duh confab in Kuala Lumpur, where the attacks on the USS Cole and World Trade Center were planned. “The CIA was able to determine the identities of the participants, if not the entire agenda. Among those attending: …Ramzi Binalshibh, a student in Germany who then returned there and supposedly organized the Hamburg cell led by Atta; and … Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi. They subsequently entered the United States and moved around the country freely for 18 months, before they allegedly helped to hijack the Pentagon plane on Sept. 11,” the New York Times reported at the time. “Although the C.I.A. identified the two men as suspected extremists, the agency did not request that they be placed on the government’s watch lists to keep them out of the United States until late August 2001. By that time, they were both already in the country. In addition, while the two men lived in San Diego, their landlord was an F.B.I. informant, but the bureau did not learn of their terrorist links from the informant.”
In other words, we are expected to believe both the CIA and the FBI are completely brain-dead and unable to process the most basic intelligence information. In fact, the CIA (with the assistance of the so-called Israeli “art student” spies and covert op facilitators) micromanaged the nine eleven plot patsies, from Hamburg to flight training and beyond. “Rather than uncover the real story of the terrorist attacks, the commission conducted a sophisticated cover-up of the real relations between US government agencies and the terrorists who killed 3,000 people,” writes Patrick Martin. “Meanwhile, [Philip] Zelikow, the chief organizer of the 9/11 panel, has been rewarded for his services to the Bush administration and to the military/intelligence apparatus with an appointment as senior counselor to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, a longtime friend and associate.” In short, moles working for the real nine eleven plotters are in the process of receiving accolades for all their hard work.
Of course, the Able Danger revelations are less than worthless—and will be swept under the rug in due time—because most Americans have swallowed the official version of events hook, line, and sinker, and are not keen to discover what really happened on nine eleven, as they blissfully go about their way like herded sheep, unquestioningly taking whatever pabulum their government dishes out, and limiting their political activity and awareness to sporting yellow magnetic ribbons on their SUVs.
Close Informant And Friend Of Former FBI Agent John O'Neill, Killed on 9/11, Tells How FBI Higher-Ups 'Shut Him Down' Letting 9/11 Happen
Janet Parker was helping O'Neill get close to a known terrorist kingpin in the months preceeding 9/11, but says FBI officials did everything in their power to block O'Neill.
August 16, 2005
By Greg Szymanski
A Seattle woman who was a close informant of former FBI agent and Al Qaeda hunter John O’Neill during the crucial months prior to the 9/11, said they both provided vital information in an attempt to stop the attack but were blocked by officials in the New York and Washington bureaus every step of the way.
The informant’s earth shattering revelations and hard evidence, including names, dates, locations, motives and sordid dealings of known terrorists, may once and for end all speculation that the FBI overtly tried to thwart O’Neill’s investigation, as well as even show authorities worked closely, assisting known terrorists in bringing about 9/11 as well as other previous terrorist attacks.
The detailed information, never released publicly and provided to the Arctic Beacon and the American Free Press, clearly shows, according to the informant, a plot in the FBI by O’Neill’s boss, Tom Picard and others higher-up in the chain of command to block O’Neill just when he may have been able to gum up the works, mainly from contacts made by the Seattle informant with a major Al Qaeda cell operating on the East Coast.
Seattle veterinarian and long time friend and informant of O’Neill, Janet Parker, 53, said O’Neill was stopped by his bosses only months prior to 9/11 from getting a wire tap on a major cell leader, Shadrack Manyathella, who had close ties with Ali Mohammad, a suspected CIA double operative and Mohammad Atta, the alleged 9/11 ring leader.
“His own bureau blocked him every step of the way, but John wanted me to bate Shadrack and get as much information as possible,” said Parker in an extended telephone conversation from her Seattle home this week, concerning several telephone conversations with the alleged terrorist thug in the months preceding 9/11.
“Shadrack was anxious to get me into his organization, since I was considered a valuable asset as a veterinarian. Also, he wanted me to marry another one of his friends named Mohammad, I think so he could get him citizenship papers and a passport.”
During July 2001, O’Neill and Parker communicated numerous times, sharing vital information and trying to determine the best way to uncover Shadrack’s plans, as O’Neil told Parker “something big was in the works and coming down soon.”
Although O’Neill was working non-stop, day and night, to connect the dots and pin down Shadrack and the intentions of other terrorists, traveling back and forth from Europe and Yemen about the USS Cole bombing as well as trying to stop future attacks.
However, Parker said during this time O’Neill also became very despondent and depressed by the lack of cooperation he was getting from FBI headquarters.
Parker, who first became associated with O’Neill more than 30 years ago in other FBI-related investigations, said O’Neill had even traveled to France, deciding to work with French intelligence, instead of his own bureau, since they were more cooperative and Shadrack often communicated to other terrorist cells, located in all parts of the world, in French.
“You have to understand that John and I had known each other for a long time. We shared a lot of information, not only about Shadrack, Al Qaeda and what turned out to be 9/11, but also about the Boston FBI scandal which I was involved in, when various FBI agents were jailed for corruption and about 19 informants like myself were brutally murdered,” said Parker, adding O’Neill protected her identity in that case and probably saved her life, allowing her to run for her life and start over again in Seattle. “I remember once when my foster daughter was visiting, I think in February, 2001, I overheard talk about airplanes and the World Trade Center.
“But concerning John, he was ambitious and maybe that was his downfall, but he was also skilled, talented and completely dedicated to stopping terrorism. He did pressure me over the years and put me in difficult spots, but I would fight back at times, reminding him I was only a volunteer.
“However, since we both knew my inside connection with Shadrack was extremely important, concerning both the bombing of the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen and what turned out to be 9/11, I tried to help any way I could until we both realized we were working alone with no assistance from higher-ups in the FBI.”
Parker also sadly recalls during the crucial months before 9/11, O’Neill telling her that “someone higher-up” had blocked attempts to wire tap Shadrack, refused to let him return to Yemen, mysteriously deleted all his files at FBI New York headquarters and then finally relegated him to a desk job, far away from the front lines of terrorism.
“John was devastated when this happened, telling me how frustrating it was to know that something big was coming down but not be able to do anything about it due to lack of cooperation by his own bureau,” said Parker, adding O’Neill told her in the later part of July 2001 that he had already planned to leave the FBI but was unsure of his next move.
“Although John would keep sensitive details from me for ethical reasons and also in order to protect my life, never specifically mentioning names, I think, as does his long time partner Valerie James, it was his direct boss, Tom Picard, who was acting on orders from higher-ups, all of them together trying to stifle John’s investigation. I am not really sure why but the only conclusion I can draw is that they wanted to let 9/11 play out and John and I were getting in the way.”
During the month of August 2001, Parker lost contact with O’Neill, who resigned under pressure in late August, taking a cushy job handed to him on silver platter as head of security at the World Trade Center. According to Parker, O’Neill never really wanted to leave the FBI and would have preferred staying in the intelligence field for another agency, but was lured away to the WTC job over money, being offered $350,000 in comparison to his $100,000 FBI salary.
What happened next is well-documented, as O’Neill was killed inside the Twin Towers on 9/11, after officially starting work on Sept. 10, a coincidence never been fully investigated but filled with suspicion, some saying he was set-up and others brushing his death aside as mere coincidence.
“The last time I talked with John was Sept 8, 2001. He wasn’t with the FBI, but was still somehow actively pursuing Shadrack and Al Qaeda,” said Parker. “John was telling me all sorts of things. I said I’d help him, but I also remember asking him how much danger I was in and if I even had to watch my back from our own FBI. He never mentioned anything about the World Trade Center security job, but was furious with me for allowing my foster daughter to fly from the East Coast to Seattle.
“John had been closely monitoring her activities as well, since she had unwillingly gotten caught up with Shadrack and his shady activities years ago. John was furious since he lost track of her on the East Coast, having no idea I changed her flight date for the early part of September.
“I remember him saying that they were planning something big soon and he was angry because he was still watching my foster daughter’s movements closely. At that time we decided to meet in October at a remote place in the Berkshires during an upcoming Boston veterinarian conference I was attending so we could talk strategy. This was the last time I talked to John, but some strange things happened with my foster daughter while she was visiting me in Seattle just days before 9/11.”
And it was Parker’s foster child, Patty, now 24, originally sold as a sex slave to Shadrack by her Vermont drug-running brothers in the late 1990’s that provided Parker and O’Neill’s main connection to what she calls an Al Qaeda cell heavily involved for years in the planning of 9/11 and other terrorist acts.
Although the story of Parker and her step daughter involve a complicated web of corruption starting in the mid 1990s on the East Coast, including illegal arms dealing, brutal killings of young girls stolen from state-sponsored foster care institutions, corruption in the famous Boston FBI scandal, connections to the Irish mob and gangster Whitey Bulger and finally Shadrack’s terrorist cell, it was originally problems surrounding Parker’s foster daughter that brought the pair together again.
After Parker and her foster daughter witnessed an arms deal going down near their country home in Hudson Falls, O’Neill intervened to lend assistance in the mid 1990’s, although she did communicate with him briefly in 1993 involving an upstate New York investigation after first World Trade Center bombing.
Parker first met O’Neill in 1975 when she worked in Peru in the Peace Corps and was airlifted from Lima back to Washington D.C. during a coup attempt. Afterwards, O’Neill, just getting started in the FBI, took an interest in her Peruvian experiences, interviewing her at Penn State where she attended school, beginning what turned out to be a working relationship that lasted up until O’Neill’ untimely death at Ground Zero in 2001.
“I’ve been accused before of being John’s lover, but that’s never been the case,” said Parker. “I lost track of John in 1975, both of us getting married and going our own separate ways.”
And it wasn’t until 1987 that the paths of Parker and O’Neil crossed again, this time at Washington State University when Parker was in the midst of getting her veterinarian’s degree and O’Neill was investigating alleged terrorist activity going on at the university.
“He asked for my help in getting photos for a sting operation involving an Iranian who was harassing me when I was teaching English as a second language,” recalls Parker. “I got him to go to a picnic where John took the photos and it turned out he was on a terrorist watch list.
“John was involved in watching for domestic terrorism and as a veterinarian, I was close to animal rights’ groups, who John was investigating and who were also putting pressure on Washington State and especially targeting my professor, Dr. Robert Speth. Together John and I made a good team, attending various animal rights’ conferences and trying to secure information.”
After graduating in 1991 and traveling to Hudson Falls, NY, to practice veterinary medicine on primarily cats and dogs, it wasn’t until 1993 that O’Neill came calling again, this time asking Parker for assistance in tracking a local upstate New York Pakistani woman, suspected of being involved in the 1993 first World Trade Center bombings.
“He asked for my help again, but this time it didn’t amount to much,” said Parker, recalling that O’Neill always approached his work diligently, like a true detective, always using inductive and deductive reasoning in an attempt to solve his case.
“He was a pleasant man, extremely intelligent and liked to live the good life, knowing that being around money and power meant also gaining vital knowledge. Maybe in the long run this was his downfall, but at heart, he was a good, honest, hard working man dedicated to his country and the FBI.”
But after helping O’Neill in the 1993 bombing investigation, Parker’s real troubles began, first witnessing with her foster daughter an illegal arms deal going down at her neighbor’s house and then getting thrown in up to her neck unexpectedly into the Boston FBI corruption case and, if that wasn’t enough, simultaneous getting embroiled into the dealings of the dangerous Irish mob and its leader, Whitey Bulger.
“I was always interested in helping abused children and decided to take on a foster child, as my husband of 22 years, though we are now divorced, couldn’t have children,. I met Patty and went about the foster care procedures. She had gone through incredible abuse with her drug-trafficking family and was living with me when we witnessed the arms deal go down at Joe Lambert’s house as we were standing in our horse pasture,” said Parker, recalling that her problems increased substantially when she notified authorities, receiving no help and eventually, along with her daughter, becoming the victim of threats and several near misses on her life.
Although what followed involved many mysterious and complicated details, basically O’Neill tried to protect Parker throughout the investigation while, at the same time, trying to nab the crooked FBI agents in the Boston bureau, agents involved in illegal dealings with the Irish mob and other known terrorists.
“I found myself in the middle of drugs and violence while still practicing veterinary medicine and essentially John got involved, coming to my rescue. It was a web of criminality that went deep and was hard to pinpoint, but I remember John was always trying to get me to testify but, at the same time, trying to protect me and my foster daughter from getting killed,” said Parker, adding during this period in 1995 her personal life went through turmoil, getting divorced, placing her foster daughter back in foster care and moving to where she took another job as a veterinarian.
“I was offered this great job with great pay in Massachusetts that turned out to be a come-on to get me involved with illegal prescriptions sales and money-laundering,” said Parker. “When things started to heat up, I started to get violent calls threatening me and my foster daughter who was back in the Vermont foster care program.
“John got dragged into this whole mess and he said he didn’t like it one bit since he was in direct conflict with the Boston FBI. They didn’t want him to get too close. Then in 1997 John wanted me to testify and put me in the witness protection program .At the same time, I started getting run off the road in obvious murder attempts, found out my horse pasture was set on fire back in upstate New York and also was being told my foster daughter’s life was in serious danger.”
However, after 19 confidential informants were mysteriously murdered during the Boston FBI corruption case, sending some agents to prison including the Boston FBI Director, Parker backed-off from testifying, fleeing with her horse van and running for her life cross country, finally settling in Tukwila, WA near Seattle.
“I wanted out, plain and simple,” said Parker.
But several months after landing another veterinary job, Parker again started receiving threatening phone calls, wondering if the nightmare she was living on a daily basis would ever end.
Then in January 1999, O’Neill turned up on her Seattle doorstep again, this time investigating the 2000 Millennium plot and the LAX bombing threats. And it was when O’Neill arrived that threats started escalating further, as frightening news came from the East Coast that her foster daughter had been sold to Shadrack by her brothers as a drug payoff and two of the four eye-witnesses to the upstate New York illegal arm’s shipment, Joe Lambert and his daughter, Jessica, had been brutally murdered.
“My foster daughter and I were the other two witnesses and I was totally scared,” said Parker. “She was now in the hands of Shadrack, had a baby with him and I heard two other girls recruited for sex and put into that group’s hands were eventually found beheaded before they had a chance to go to police.”
During this time, Parker was also accosted, threatened and pushed into a hallway wall outside her apartment by someone she later identified as one of Bulger’s Irish mob street thugs.
“Every time I went to the authorities, nobody helped me,” said Parker, adding a lack of law enforcement cooperation turned out to be a pattern throughout her Al Qaeda investigations with O’Neill and continuing even today.
At present, the whereabouts of her foster daughter and Shadrack are unknown, her daughter essentially disappearing after her trip in early September 2001 to Seattle. Parker also said the last time she spoke with Shadrack was on or about Sept. 8, 2001, when he tried to encourage her to join his organization.
“The whole key to this story that I am telling is that John O’Neill may have been able to do something good for America and stop 9/11 and other terrorist activity, but they shut him down. Plain and simple that’s what they did and I am totally convinced of it,” said Parker.
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During last night's briefing from cloakanddagger.de, Tom Heneghan makes clarifying remarks about Buchanan. He backs off accusation of accessory to murder.
The other comments by Mr. Heneghan seem well grounded. Recap of 9/11 Commission, Weldon, MSM, Judy Miller, Atta, Brooklyn "bucket" shop, Sibel Edmonds, Hastert money.
According to Heneghan, FBI Div. 5 are behind the scenes in the so-called terrorists threats. Gives details of JFK Jr. hit, etc. Louis Freeh part of the conspiracy. Marc Rich part of the financing. Also, talk of corruption of Madaline Albright.
Heneghan said people behind mindset have pagan / Satanic outlook that is kin to Third Reich.
Sherman talked about Marvin Bush and 9/11, circumstantial stuff.
Tom makes throw-away comment criticizing Schwarzenegger.... sounds like Alex Jones here.
Tom recommends part of punishment for culprits should be having eat bad British food. :-)
Plenty of scorn is heaped on Drudge.
Tom talked about TV commentors Byron York, E. J. Dionne.
Update 8/15/2004 12:17a.m
Start here: http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/flocco2.html
Wing TV - Connect The Dots
WingTV.net and Breakfornews.com have posted recently about the possibility / fact that some major "deep politics", "9/11 Truth", or "Alternative Media" web sites are in fact sabotaging the efforts of those of us who would expose evidence and bring resolution relating to 9/11 Truth.
The primarly site which seems to be leading the way (in the hall of shame) at this moment is "stewwebb.com". I have documentation of their scrolling news banner at this moment. They are sliming a person as an accomplice to murder during the 1990's by the name of John Buchanan. According to this post, Mr. Buchanan was associated with Hillary Clinton to make this murder of one of Mrs. Clinton's lesbian lovers named Mary Mahoney, not to mention that George Stephanopolus and Matt Drudge are connected as well.
Update 8/14/05 10:52
The murder in questions, is extremely well documented (with links below) as a govt. hit of some sort:
Much was / is made the Clinton's being responsible for deaths, and you'll see that in articles on the internet related to Mahoney. I believe the FBI, being part of the OK City bombing and cover-up, or others not under Clinton's control, had the motive to get rid of Levy, and Mahoney.
end of update
I can't think of any reason such sloppy accusations should be not subject to suit. I hope any one of the three John Buchanans that I could locate in the U.S., via google, will sue. I was aware of one John Buchanan who ran as a independent Pres. candidate in 2004. He was a 9/11 Truth candidate. There's a Psychiatist, Dr. John G. Buchanan,-127 Battlefield Boulevard NorthChesapeake, Virginia (VA) 23320. However, the John Buchanan that they indict, in part because he had a business consulting arrangement with Starbuck's, does not seem to be a public figure.
This kind of slime has no place. And because of this I'm embarrassed that I have ever considered the stewwebb.com web site a reliable source of evidence. If Fintan Dunne at Breakfornews.com and Victor and Lisa at Wingtv.net are correct, this type of discredit is just what the disinfo Doctor ordered, as it takes down any of us who have trusted this web site.
Nevertheless, back to the story. The cluster of web sites around Stewwebb.com, which have received enormous attention recently, includes cloakanddagger.de and tomflocco.com. Cloakanddagger.de share a cosmetic / thematic approach with Stewwebb.com: using the French national athem as part of their presentation. Speaking of suspect web sites, I think you have to include Rense.com into the mix, especially since there were outrageous posts there a few months ago intended to discredit wingtv.net. The posts on Rense were outrageous in the high smear factor without facts to back them up.
Unless the prediction of the Plame Grand Jury indictment against key Bush Admin. personnel comes to fruition, these web sites should be red-flagged as the counter intel operations that they seem to be.
Sheehan plays 'Hardball' with Matthews
Leader of protest outside of Bush's Crawford ranch explains her stanceGold star mom
Aug. 15: Cindy Sheehan has been camped outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas for nine days, and counting. What will it take to end her protest? She plays hardball with Chris Matthews.
With Cindy Sheehan's protest outside of President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, in its ninth day on Monday, Hardball's Chris Matthews talked with the California mother who lost a son in Iraq and is demanding to meet with President Bush.
To read an excerpt of their conversation, continue to the text below. To watch the video, click on the "Launch" button to the right.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: What's the latest ... I know it is a tragic situation. Let me ask you, are you asking now for a meeting with the president? Or some other kind of occasion?
CINDY SHEEHAN: We're still asking for the meeting with the president to discuss my concerns that I've brought up. But also, we're having a worldwide moment of silent prayer on Friday at noon for those soldiers who are still in Iraq and their families and for the people who have been killed and for their families. And we've invited our neighbors to join us. And George Bush is one of our neighbors so we've invited him to join us. He says he cares about the troops and we care about the troops. Maybe that's something we can find common ground on to begin our discussion. ...MATTHEWS: This is serious business. The purpose of your vigil is to get an answer from the president. It is not to demonstrate against the war, right? It is to get an answer from the president. ... Is the purpose of your visit to demonstrate against war or to get the president to say something he hasn't said so far?
SHEEHAN: It is actually to hold him accountable for things he has already said, Chris. Last week, it wasn't last week. The week before when I started this, 14 marines had been killed from the same unit in the same incident. And that not will only broke my heart. Every day is a new sense of tearing my heart out of my body again, when I see other children who have been killed and I know what their families are going through. That broke my heart.
And that angered me and it also made me kind of feel like a failure because I've been working for months to bring the truth to the American people, to wake them up to the fact that this is a war based on lies and to try to put pressure on the government to bring our troops home. In fact, I've been on your show before, a couple months ago ... I have been doing this. I just didn't climb out of the woodwork last Saturday and start this odyssey.
But when he was speaking about the terrible loss of life that day, and we had 30 troops killed in the first five days of August, which was heart breaking and tragic for the families and to their communities, but he came out and he said they died for a noble cause. And you know, Chris, I never have believed that a war of aggression against a country that posed no threat to the United States of America is a noble cause. So I want to ask him what the noble cause is.
And I also know that if he believes it is such a noble cause, what we're doing over in Iraq, which he hasn't defined that really clearly, and like my sister says, it changes all the time. If you believe it is a noble cause, does he encourage his daughters to go and fight? We know there are soldiers there who are in their third tour of duty that don't want to be there and they want to come home. And we know there are soldiers who have been in the military for eight years and they're stop loss and held hostage over there and they want to come home.
So if people believe this is a noble cause, then they should be willing to put their own skin in the game. And there are so many people who say yes, we're fighting over there for a noble cause but they are not willing to sacrifice their own lives or their own children's lives for this. And I don't think they should myself, you know.
And the other thing he always says is that we have to honor the sacrifices of the fallen by completing the mission. Well, Chris, I had my heart and soul ripped out on April 4th, 2004. As a mother, why would I want any other mother to suffer the way I am? Why would I want one more of our dear children to be killed for this mistake, for the lives in Iraq? And those are the answers I want from the president.
MATTHEWS: Can I ask you a tough question? A very tough question.
MATTHEWS: All right. If your son had been killed in Afghanistan, would you have a different feeling?
SHEEHAN: I don't think so, Chris, because I believe that Afghanistan is almost the same thing. We're fighting terrorism. Or terrorists, we're saying. But they're not contained in a country. This is an ideology and not an enemy. And we know that Iraq, Iraq had no terrorism. They were no threat to the United States of America.
Aug. 15: Not every military parent agrees with Cindy Sheehan's vigil. Hardball's Chris Matthews talks to Debi Bohannon, whose son served two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan for a different perspective.MATTHEWS: But Afghanistan was harboring, the Taliban was harboring al-Qaida which is the group that attacked us on 9/11.
SHEEHAN: Well then we should have gone after al-Qaida and maybe not after the country of Afghanistan.
MATTHEWS: But that's where they were being harbored. That's where they were headquartered. Shouldn't we go after their headquarters? Doesn't that make sense?
SHEEHAN: Well, but there were a lot of innocent people killed in that invasion, too. ... But I'm seeing that we're sending our ground troops in to invade countries where the entire country wasn't the problem. Especially Iraq. Iraq was no problem. And why do we send in invading armies to march into Afghanistan when we're looking for a select group of people in that country?
So I believe that our troops should be brought home out of both places where we're obviously not having any success in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden is still on the loose and that's who they told us was responsible for 9/11.
MATTHEWS: The reason I ask that because a lot of Americans believe going to Afghanistan made since because we were doing what the president said he would do that very day. A couple days after 9/11. He said I'm going to get the people that attacked these buildings. And he went over and got them. And that was where America was so united. Whereas Iraq has caused a deep division. Let me give you a statement that seems to show some division in your family. One of your relatives has given this statement to a conservative radio commentary for distribution.
"The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports our troops, our country, and our president, silently, with prayer and respect. Sincerely, Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins."
So it seems like you have a division in your family.
SHEEHAN: Those are on my husband's side of the family. And we've always been politically on different sides of the fence. I have always been a Democrat and they have always been Republicans, so we've always had a good-natured kind of debate within that family. But you know what, we support the troops. How can they say by what I'm doing I don't support the troops?
The troops are over there for a mistake and not one of them, not one drop of blood should have been spilled in Iraq. Why are they still over there? Why are they still dying and why are the Iraqi people still dying? Because it is a mistake. And it was based on deceptions.
And another thing about that side of the family, they barely knew Casey. They barely had a relationship with him. They call him their beloved Casey. He was my hero, Chris, before he was killed. I knew him so well.
MATTHEWS: Were your husband's parents and grandparents on your side close to Casey?
SHEEHAN: Out of all those people who signed the letters, they know him the most but they didn't really keep up a relationship with him either. ...
MATTHEWS: Why are they going to war with you in public? Why are they issuing a statement for national release through a conservative radio talk show host? ... Why would they put out a statement that goes in the face of what you're doing in your camp?
SHEEHAN: You know, like I've said, we've always been on different sides of the fence politically. And my sister was Casey's second mom. And she is standing here next to me in solidarity and agreement with me.
MATTHEWS: ... Let me ask you about your situation. Cindy, this is a tricky situation. Every time a family has a tragedy and the loss of a son, your oldest, must be unimaginable.
Sometimes husbands and wives grieve in very different ways and it often leads to separation and divorce. Is that what has happened between and you your husband? Or is this a partisan fight that we're seeing in the open that's behind us? The separation and divorce of you and your husband?
SHEEHAN: My husband has always agreed with me philosophically. And he only disagreed with the intensity that I put into the fight. But I am compelled to do this. And other than that, that's as far as I'm going to talk about my family's -- another personal tragedy due to this war.
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