Wednesday, March 22, 2006

BBC NEWS | South Asia | 'Judges to rule' on Kabul convert

BBC NEWS | South Asia | 'Judges to rule' on Kabul convert

DEMOCRACY IS ON THE MARCH!

"The Afghan government says it is up to the judiciary to decide the fate of a man who could face death for converting to Christianity."

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1185

There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: No Plane Theory
From: "Ben Kramer" <benkramer1@yahoo.com>
2. Re: No Plane Theory
From: "Ben Kramer" <benkramer1@yahoo.com>
3. Re: Re: No Plane Theory
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
4. Re: No Plane Theory
From: "Ben Kramer" <benkramer1@yahoo.com>
5. bushs press conference(3-21-06)
From: fred guerra <fjoe1957@yahoo.com>
6. Re: No Plane Theory
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
7. Re: Re: No Plane Theory
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
8. To promote the truth we must disassociate ourselves from what is obviously false and silly
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
9. Fw: To promote the truth we must disassociate ourselves from what is obviously false and silly
From: "Dick Eastman" <de1949@nwinfo.net>
10. [Fwd: security, terror, war & tyranny]
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
11. Could Sean Hannity be coming clean ? NOT!
From: "Ben Kramer" <benkramer1@yahoo.com>
12. "30" Members of US Congress demand Impeachment Inquiry Address:http:
From: ranger116@webtv.net
13. Charlie Sheen's Dead On Target Remarks About 9/11
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
14. New York Magazine article signals 9/11 breakout
From: John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net>
15. New OPERATION NORTHWOODS page
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
16. 9/11 Breakout
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
17. Re: 9/11 Breakout
From: Chris Bell <somebigguy88@yahoo.com>
18. 9/11 News Update - 3/22
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:34:09 -0000
From: "Ben Kramer" <benkramer1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory


I would also like to add that I believe that the "NO PLANE"
theory cant possibly be correct is because of the stories that the
flight recorders were found but the man that found them was told to
keep his mouth shut about it. This is what has been reported in at
least one case. Can anyone tell me that I am wrong about this ?

Brett Kraft

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Hammond
<sir_oglaigh@...> wrote:
>
> There is absolutely NO DOUBT that planes hit the wtc. We do NOT
dissemenate hologram hogwash on this group. it is questionable what
hit the pentagon but I personally dont dwell on that aspect too
much. What IS known is that the man that the fbi said flew te plane
into the pentagon could NOT have done so at all. He could not even
drive a car. His name was Hani Hanjour. They named another man
before him whose name escapes me at the moment who came forward and
said HEY! I am ALIVE! You have named the wrong man! So they saw
fit to pull Mr. Hanjour's name out of the very same hat as the other
fellah.
>
> Kevin
> P.S. Welcome to the group. And please check out
www.911research.com www.wtc7.net www.infowars.com
www.globalresearch.ca and www.onlinejournal.com If you happen to
live in San Francisco, Watch my weekly tv show on cable channel 29
every sat. night at midnite.
>
> Ben Kramer <benkramer1@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings Everyone,
>
>
> I have been a member here for less than two weeks, and I see
that
> the "NO PLANE" theory has been often discussed. Its something that
I
> heard and thought that it might be possible in the past but not now
> with one bit of evidence.
> If one carefully watches the video of the second plane that
> crashed into the WTC, you can see that one of the engines goes
right
> thru the building and out on the other side of the building towards
> the street.
>
> I have seen pics of this engine on the Jeff Rense website where
> it had landed out on the street a couple of blocks from the WTC.
An
> airplane mechanic has examined the picture and stated that he knows
> for sure that it didnt come from a commercial airliner.
>
> Based on this information I believe that its impossible that
> there was no plane that hit the WTC and I thinks its very possible
> that this theory is merely misinformation by certain entities that
> would like to derail the truth movement.
> Maybe Ben Chertoff planted this story outside of PM magazine ?
> Michael Chertoff's cousin. Anyway I welcome any and all comments
on
> this issue.
>
> Brett K
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:36:31 -0000
From: "Ben Kramer" <benkramer1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory


I would also like to add that I believe that the "NO PLANE"
theory cant possibly be correct is because of the stories that the
flight recorders were found but the man that found them was told to
keep his mouth shut about it. This is what has been reported in at
least one case. Can anyone tell me that I am wrong about this ?

Brett Kraft

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Hammond
<sir_oglaigh@...> wrote:
>
> There is absolutely NO DOUBT that planes hit the wtc. We do NOT
dissemenate hologram hogwash on this group. it is questionable what
hit the pentagon but I personally dont dwell on that aspect too
much. What IS known is that the man that the fbi said flew te plane
into the pentagon could NOT have done so at all. He could not even
drive a car. His name was Hani Hanjour. They named another man
before him whose name escapes me at the moment who came forward and
said HEY! I am ALIVE! You have named the wrong man! So they saw
fit to pull Mr. Hanjour's name out of the very same hat as the other
fellah.
>
> Kevin
> P.S. Welcome to the group. And please check out
www.911research.com www.wtc7.net www.infowars.com
www.globalresearch.ca and www.onlinejournal.com If you happen to
live in San Francisco, Watch my weekly tv show on cable channel 29
every sat. night at midnite.
>
> Ben Kramer <benkramer1@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings Everyone,
>
>
> I have been a member here for less than two weeks, and I see
that
> the "NO PLANE" theory has been often discussed. Its something that
I
> heard and thought that it might be possible in the past but not now
> with one bit of evidence.
> If one carefully watches the video of the second plane that
> crashed into the WTC, you can see that one of the engines goes
right
> thru the building and out on the other side of the building towards
> the street.
>
> I have seen pics of this engine on the Jeff Rense website where
> it had landed out on the street a couple of blocks from the WTC.
An
> airplane mechanic has examined the picture and stated that he knows
> for sure that it didnt come from a commercial airliner.
>
> Based on this information I believe that its impossible that
> there was no plane that hit the WTC and I thinks its very possible
> that this theory is merely misinformation by certain entities that
> would like to derail the truth movement.
> Maybe Ben Chertoff planted this story outside of PM magazine ?
> Michael Chertoff's cousin. Anyway I welcome any and all comments
on
> this issue.
>
> Brett K
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:42:40 -0800 (PST)
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: No Plane Theory

They waited until the idea that no commercial jetliners hit the WTC grew before this appeared if I recall correctly...and if so, let's see the data!

Can we all remember the prupose of this list? This is NOT a forum to debate evidence. we have wasted FOUR years doing that. This is a place to spread ACTION IDEAS. If you want to debate "planes" go to Yahoo "planehuggers' you'll be guarranteed to get plenty of debate there.

I posted a event idea about two weeks ago that was drowned out in BS. Please no more discussions. MORE ACTIONS.

Ben Kramer <benkramer1@yahoo.com> wrote:

I would also like to add that I believe that the "NO PLANE"
theory cant possibly be correct is because of the stories that the
flight recorders were found but the man that found them was told to
keep his mouth shut about it. This is what has been reported in at
least one case. Can anyone tell me that I am wrong about this ?

Brett Kraft

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Hammond
<sir_oglaigh@...> wrote:
>
> There is absolutely NO DOUBT that planes hit the wtc. We do NOT
dissemenate hologram hogwash on this group. it is questionable what
hit the pentagon but I personally dont dwell on that aspect too
much. What IS known is that the man that the fbi said flew te plane
into the pentagon could NOT have done so at all. He could not even
drive a car. His name was Hani Hanjour. They named another man
before him whose name escapes me at the moment who came forward and
said HEY! I am ALIVE! You have named the wrong man! So they saw
fit to pull Mr. Hanjour's name out of the very same hat as the other
fellah.
>
> Kevin
> P.S. Welcome to the group. And please check out
www.911research.com www.wtc7.net www.infowars.com
www.globalresearch.ca and www.onlinejournal.com If you happen to
live in San Francisco, Watch my weekly tv show on cable channel 29
every sat. night at midnite.
>
> Ben Kramer <benkramer1@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings Everyone,
>
>
> I have been a member here for less than two weeks, and I see
that
> the "NO PLANE" theory has been often discussed. Its something that
I
> heard and thought that it might be possible in the past but not now
> with one bit of evidence.
> If one carefully watches the video of the second plane that
> crashed into the WTC, you can see that one of the engines goes
right
> thru the building and out on the other side of the building towards
> the street.
>
> I have seen pics of this engine on the Jeff Rense website where
> it had landed out on the street a couple of blocks from the WTC.
An
> airplane mechanic has examined the picture and stated that he knows
> for sure that it didnt come from a commercial airliner.
>
> Based on this information I believe that its impossible that
> there was no plane that hit the WTC and I thinks its very possible
> that this theory is merely misinformation by certain entities that
> would like to derail the truth movement.
> Maybe Ben Chertoff planted this story outside of PM magazine ?
> Michael Chertoff's cousin. Anyway I welcome any and all comments
on
> this issue.
>
> Brett K
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:49:36 -0000
From: "Ben Kramer" <benkramer1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

Thats right, we heard on the news on 9/11 that there were
thousands of FBI agents 'invstigating the terrorist attack' but the
truth is that they were out covering up or discovering planted
evidence that the Arabs did it.
Then it was pounded in our heads that they who died for the cause
would be awarded 59 virgins in the after life.

Brett K

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Naveed <flanker12k@...> wrote:
>
> THEE MOST suspicious thing regarding the pentagon was that the FBI
showed up 5 minutes or so after the plane/no plane crashed (what ever
you believe) to confiscate the citgo surveillance tapes and at a
hotel after what had happened at the pentagon with their guns drawn?
what do they have to hide? incompetent MY ASS! national geographic
article reference available upon request.
>
> honestly it doesn't matter what hit the pentagon, or WTCs, its
ALL suspicious, and the "officials" are blocking, lying, covering up,
not speaking about what happened that day. And don't forget about the
fact that british SAS commandos were dressed up like arabs shooting
at basra police with about 500lbs of explosives in their car and
standard issue SAS gear? (suicide car bombs anyone?) when the
brits asked basra city officials to release the SAS thugs, they
refused and the brits launched a prison break mission completmented
with armor!
>
> Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@...> wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 March 2006 05:48, Ben Kramer wrote:
> > Greetings Everyone,
> >
> >
> > I have been a member here for less than two weeks, and I see
that
> > the "NO PLANE" theory has been often discussed. Its something
that I
> > heard and thought that it might be possible in the past but not
now
> > with one bit of evidence.
> > If one carefully watches the video of the second plane that
> > crashed into the WTC, you can see that one of the engines goes
right
> > thru the building and out on the other side of the building
towards
> > the street.
> >
> > I have seen pics of this engine on the Jeff Rense website
where
> > it had landed out on the street a couple of blocks from the WTC.
An
> > airplane mechanic has examined the picture and stated that he
knows
> > for sure that it didnt come from a commercial airliner.
> >
> > Based on this information I believe that its impossible that
> > there was no plane that hit the WTC and I thinks its very possible
> > that this theory is merely misinformation by certain entities that
> > would like to derail the truth movement.
> > Maybe Ben Chertoff planted this story outside of PM magazine ?
> > Michael Chertoff's cousin. Anyway I welcome any and all comments
on
> > this issue.
> >
> > Brett K
>
>
> I agree Brett...
>
> This looks more and more like deliberate disinformation.
>
> I discussed this with webfairy (Rosalee Garble) some weeks ago.
When I was
> pointing reasonable evidence to the plane and spoke about video
compression
> artifacts to explain why the plane looks on one video, she
responded with
> insults...
>
> I've also noticed that she posts huge amount of message containing
this BS
> and has websites and the like. An obvious should be: where does
she find
> the time to do all this ? What is her source of income ? This
also
> applies for Nico Haupt.
>
> I've also noticed that these people have almost no scientific
knowledge but
> pretend to better know than the rest of the world.
>
> I have the feeling also that this is done intentionally to deceive
us and to
> ridicule the people who point that no plane crashed at the pentagon.
>
>
> This is a little bit like attempting to brainwash people into
believing that
> Kennedy was never shot in the head, but was a special effect
created by
> extra-terrestrial beings. Completely ridiculous, but a perfect
tool
> manipulated by some medias to discredit honest research on the
topic.
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:06:20 -0800 (PST)
From: fred guerra <fjoe1957@yahoo.com>
Subject: bushs press conference(3-21-06)

TO ALL:

WHAT DOES EVERYBODY THINK WHEN BUSH SAID TODAY,
HE NEVER CONNECTED 911 WITH SADDAM!...LOL

BUSH AND HIS ADM. ARE SO FULL OF .......
I CANT COUNT THE # OF TIMES THEY(BUSH ADM)CONNECTED
911 WITH SADDAM.....
I GUESS WE SHOULD JUST LET GEORGE READ US ALL A
BEDTIME STORY,SO WE CAN ALL GO BACK TO SLEEP......

PLEASE COMMENT

IMPEACH BUSH NOW

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:42:18 -0800
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

----- Original Message -----
From: greg nixon
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] No Plane Theory

1) The BTS does not list "flight 11" in the database.

This is an important datum -- however it argues no plane
designated as "Flight 11" was involved that day -- it does
not argue that a physical jetliner (of whatever designation
not "Flight 11") was not involved. {Note the difference
between "no plane of designated flight number" vs.
"no aircraft at all" (DE)

2) Radar analysis for "flight 175 and 11" does not show
them at the scene of the crime at the correct time.

This is important information -- but again this is argument
against crashes by planes designated Flight 175 and Flt. 11 --
this is not evidence that no planes crashed. [Recall how long
the jetliner that went to the Pentagon (and flew over it) was
lost to radar as well as to transponders] (DE)

3. In the Naudet 1st hit footage, there is nothing that is
discernable as a jumbo jet.

This is the "fireman" video of the crash into North Tower.
You know what I am going to say about the quality
of that shot -- which wasn't focused or telescopic to
get a high resolution shot of the crash -- that for most
people -- understanding the poor conditions under which
the picture was taken -- the amount of distortion from
the contours of a jetliner is acceptable. (DE)

4. the original eyewitness testimony was of a small
commuter craft for ("flight 11")

How many saw a small commuter craft? Did this witness
see the small commuter craft crash? My own view is that
the evidence from North Tower indicates that some aircraft
with wings hit the tower -- I can always spot the perpendicular
relationship between the sun reflecting on the fuselage and
the sun reflecting on the starboard wing. (I understand that
you do not. -- ANd that is why I am willing to forget the
North Tower crash and to concentrate on the South Tower
crash to refute the "no planes" thesis. (DE)

5) The 2nd hit none of the witnesses have checked
out, there were reports of NOT seeing a plane.

Yes, in fact, I am "not seeing" a plane right now.
Lot's of people "didn't see the plane" -- but how many
were looking at the wall in the seconds leading up to
the "event" and then saw an explosion emit from the
side of the building without seeing a jet aircraft enter --
so that they were left asking "what the heck caused THAT?"
Rather, what Holmgren has is people whose attention
was caught by the explosion, who saw the explosion,
but who qualify their account by adding that they did
not see the plane go in. This is the weakness of Holmgren's
method. (DE)

6) The 2nd hit footage looks highly suspicious upon
entry into the WTC. The exit of debris of the South
tower looks like a white hot Uranium tipped missile head.

But a jet engine is titanium alloy -- is that not a light colored
material? An engine was found on the ground. No radioactivity
was reported at the WTC. We would expect an engine to
penetrate since it would not have hit the inner core of the
building, so that nothing stopped it from busting out, exactly
as the pictures show. (DE)

7) The video analyis of the CNN footage seems to
lead to being a CGI/faked.

"Seems?" I was looking for something more specific --

8) The different footage from other sources appears
to contradict each other(in flight trajectory).

I've gone around and around on this with Ron Winn,
who seems to be making unwarrented perceptual
assumptions of distance and angle -- assumptions
which are arbitrary and not the only possibilities. (DE)

9) The only real "proof" seems to be merely the
government's word.

A few comments on this one:

I - Many video cameras caught the crash into south tower.

II -In a matter of minutes everyone was aware that a
second plane had hit.

III - The hole in the building fits the shape of a plane,
and is satisfactorily of the right proportions and
angle.

IV - Large pieces of airliner debris were photographed
on the ground -- including a piece with several
window holes in a row.

V - There was no rumor of no planes until
Holmgren and Webfairy came up with the story
years after the fact -- speaking of the WTC,
not the Pentagon, of course.

VII - Holmgren has never tested his conclusions --
neither he nor any other "no planer" has ever put
an ad in New York Newspapers asking for witnesses
to the South Tower crash and seen what he gets.
To me this indicates that there is NO BASIS for
the "no planes" claim. (DE)

10) The Amalgam Virgo 01 drill in June of 2001 which
seems to be closely like 9/11 itself was a drill with
cruise missile attacks. Perfect cover to carry out actual
operation.

Yes, but we know that missiles were used at the
Pentagon. They would certainly not risk using
missiles on the SOuth Tower after the world's
attention -- all eyes -- were on the WTC following
the crash at North Tower. There were actual
hijacking drills on September 11 -- but that fact
does not imply that no jetliners crashed in
New York that day. The drills influenced the
standdown and the other reaction responses.

Wishing you good health,

Brother Richard

Dick Eastman <de1949@nwinfo.net> wrote:
Brother Greg,

I may have missed something. Please list and briefly describe findings that leave your mind open to the idea that no jetliners crashed at the WTC on September 11, 2001. I am not looking for proof or certainty -- but just something beyond the "finding" that "anything is possible."

For example, if I believed that no firemen died at the WTC, I would have to give reasons for saying that -- something beyond merely saying "no one interviewed ever said they saw a fireman die" or "no fireman corpses have ever been photographed" etc.

Yours in sweet sincerity,

Brother Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: greg nixon
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] No Plane Theory

Sorry I have to disagree with my brother Kevin. He cannot make a statement with absolute assurance when there is evidence to the contrary. There is enough evidence to say the alleged commercial aircraft i.e. 175 and 11 did not hit the WTC, as for what hit the towers is ongoing and what researcher Ewing2001 calls "backend research." Brett if you think you can make the case that 'no planes' is 'dis-info' you are invited to test your debating skills against the researchers at Yahoo Group "planehuggers" Good Luck! Please see articles of recent note:

http://www.reopen911.org/bluescreen.htm

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=we_have_holes

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911chron_timeline_nico.html

Greg Nixon

Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is absolutely NO DOUBT that planes hit the wtc. We do NOT dissemenate hologram hogwash on this group. it is questionable what hit the pentagon but I personally dont dwell on that aspect too much. What IS known is that the man that the fbi said flew te plane into the pentagon could NOT have done so at all. He could not even drive a car. His name was Hani Hanjour. They named another man before him whose name escapes me at the moment who came forward and said HEY! I am ALIVE! You have named the wrong man! So they saw fit to pull Mr. Hanjour's name out of the very same hat as the other fellah.

Kevin
P.S. Welcome to the group. And please check out www.911research.com www.wtc7.net www.infowars.com www.globalresearch.ca and www.onlinejournal.com If you happen to live in San Francisco, Watch my weekly tv show on cable channel 29 every sat. night at midnite.

Ben Kramer <benkramer1@yahoo.com> wrote:

Greetings Everyone,

I have been a member here for less than two weeks, and I see that
the "NO PLANE" theory has been often discussed. Its something that I
heard and thought that it might be possible in the past but not now
with one bit of evidence.
If one carefully watches the video of the second plane that
crashed into the WTC, you can see that one of the engines goes right
thru the building and out on the other side of the building towards
the street.

I have seen pics of this engine on the Jeff Rense website where
it had landed out on the street a couple of blocks from the WTC. An
airplane mechanic has examined the picture and stated that he knows
for sure that it didnt come from a commercial airliner.

Based on this information I believe that its impossible that
there was no plane that hit the WTC and I thinks its very possible
that this theory is merely misinformation by certain entities that
would like to derail the truth movement.
Maybe Ben Chertoff planted this story outside of PM magazine ?
Michael Chertoff's cousin. Anyway I welcome any and all comments on
this issue.

Brett K

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:20:43 -0800
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Re: Re: No Plane Theory

> This is NOT a forum to debate evidence. (Greg Nixon)

'No plane' arguments taint and discredit the real evidence.

We can not be activists in putting out evidence when we know
that some people have packed in false evidence to defeat
the effort.

And besides that -- out activism IS PUTTING OUT
AND DISCUSSING EVIDENCE with the public
-- that is what we are actively about.

You and webfairy are cut of one cloth, Brother Greg.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
----- Original Message -----
From: greg nixon
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Re: No Plane Theory

They waited until the idea that no commercial jetliners hit the WTC grew before this appeared if I recall correctly...and if so, let's see the data!

Can we all remember the prupose of this list? This is NOT a forum to debate evidence. we have wasted FOUR years doing that. This is a place to spread ACTION IDEAS. If you want to debate "planes" go to Yahoo "planehuggers' you'll be guarranteed to get plenty of debate there.

I posted a event idea about two weeks ago that was drowned out in BS. Please no more discussions. MORE ACTIONS.

Ben Kramer <benkramer1@yahoo.com> wrote:

I would also like to add that I believe that the "NO PLANE"
theory cant possibly be correct is because of the stories that the
flight recorders were found but the man that found them was told to
keep his mouth shut about it. This is what has been reported in at
least one case. Can anyone tell me that I am wrong about this ?

Brett Kraft

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Hammond
<sir_oglaigh@...> wrote:
>
> There is absolutely NO DOUBT that planes hit the wtc. We do NOT
dissemenate hologram hogwash on this group. it is questionable what
hit the pentagon but I personally dont dwell on that aspect too
much. What IS known is that the man that the fbi said flew te plane
into the pentagon could NOT have done so at all. He could not even
drive a car. His name was Hani Hanjour. They named another man
before him whose name escapes me at the moment who came forward and
said HEY! I am ALIVE! You have named the wrong man! So they saw
fit to pull Mr. Hanjour's name out of the very same hat as the other
fellah.
>
> Kevin
> P.S. Welcome to the group. And please check out
www.911research.com www.wtc7.net www.infowars.com
www.globalresearch.ca and www.onlinejournal.com If you happen to
live in San Francisco, Watch my weekly tv show on cable channel 29
every sat. night at midnite.
>
> Ben Kramer <benkramer1@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings Everyone,
>
>
> I have been a member here for less than two weeks, and I see
that
> the "NO PLANE" theory has been often discussed. Its something that
I
> heard and thought that it might be possible in the past but not now
> with one bit of evidence.
> If one carefully watches the video of the second plane that
> crashed into the WTC, you can see that one of the engines goes
right
> thru the building and out on the other side of the building towards
> the street.
>
> I have seen pics of this engine on the Jeff Rense website where
> it had landed out on the street a couple of blocks from the WTC.
An
> airplane mechanic has examined the picture and stated that he knows
> for sure that it didnt come from a commercial airliner.
>
> Based on this information I believe that its impossible that
> there was no plane that hit the WTC and I thinks its very possible
> that this theory is merely misinformation by certain entities that
> would like to derail the truth movement.
> Maybe Ben Chertoff planted this story outside of PM magazine ?
> Michael Chertoff's cousin. Anyway I welcome any and all comments
on
> this issue.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:37:05 -0800
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: To promote the truth we must disassociate ourselves from what is obviously false and silly

To promote the truth we must disassociate ourselves from what is obviously false and silly and what actively seeks to "take over the microphone" as the voice of 9/11 investigators in order to destroy our credibility with the common- sense public.

Exposing the "No planers" for the disinformation and sabotage psy-op they are is a responsiblity that no 9/11 truth advocate can shirk.

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:14:31 -0800
From: "Dick Eastman" <de1949@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Fw: To promote the truth we must disassociate ourselves from what is obviously false and silly

Look at what Webfairy has done to us recent magazine write-ups on "9/11" truth. That has been her purpose all along. Remember, I have been dealing with Rosalee Grable a lot longer than most of you. I am completely convinced that she is working for the other side.

To promote the truth we must disassociate ourselves from what is obviously false and silly and what actively seeks to "take over the microphone" as the voice of 9/11 investigators in order to destroy our credibility with the common- sense public.

Exposing the "No planers" for the disinformation and sabotage psy-op they are is a responsiblity that no 9/11 truth advocate can shirk.

> This is NOT a forum to debate evidence. (Greg Nixon)

'No plane' arguments taint and discredit the real evidence.

We can not be activists in putting out evidence when we know
that some people have packed in false evidence to defeat
the effort.

And besides that -- out activism IS PUTTING OUT
AND DISCUSSING EVIDENCE with the public
-- that is what we are actively about.

You and webfairy are cut of one cloth, Brother Greg.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington


From: greg nixon
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

1) The BTS does not list "flight 11" in the database.

This is an important datum -- however it argues no plane
designated as "Flight 11" was involved that day -- it does
not argue that no physical jetliner (of whatever designation
not "Flight 11") was involved. {Note the difference
between "no plane of designated flight number" vs.
"no aircraft at all" (DE)

2) Radar analysis for "flight 175 and 11" does not show
them at the scene of the crime at the correct time.

This is important information -- but again this is argument
against crashes by planes designated Flight 175 and Flt. 11 --
this is not evidence that no planes crashed. [Recall how long
the jetliner that went to the Pentagon (and flew over it) was
lost to radar as well as to transponders] (DE)

3. In the Naudet 1st hit footage, there is nothing that is
discernable as a jumbo jet.

This is the "fireman" video of the crash into North Tower.
You know what I am going to say about the quality
of that shot -- which wasn't focused or telescopic to
get a high resolution shot of the crash -- that for most
people -- understanding the poor conditions under which
the picture was taken -- the amount of distortion from
the contours of a jetliner is acceptable. (DE)

4. the original eyewitness testimony was of a small
commuter craft for ("flight 11")

How many saw a small commuter craft? Did this witness
see the small commuter craft crash? My own view is that
the evidence from North Tower indicates that some aircraft
with wings hit the tower -- I can always spot the perpendicular
relationship between the sun reflecting on the fuselage and
the sun reflecting on the starboard wing. (I understand that
you do not. -- ANd that is why I am willing to forget the
North Tower crash and to concentrate on the South Tower
crash to refute the "no planes" thesis. (DE)

5) The 2nd hit none of the witnesses have checked
out, there were reports of NOT seeing a plane.

Yes, in fact, I am "not seeing" a plane right now.
Lot's of people "didn't see the plane" -- but how many
were looking at the wall in the seconds leading up to
the "event" and then saw an explosion emit from the
side of the building without seeing a jet aircraft enter --
so that they were left asking "what the heck caused THAT?"
Rather, what Holmgren has is people whose attention
was caught by the explosion, who saw the explosion,
but who qualify their account by adding that they did
not see the plane go in. This is the weakness of Holmgren's
method. (DE)

6) The 2nd hit footage looks highly suspicious upon
entry into the WTC. The exit of debris of the South
tower looks like a white hot Uranium tipped missile head.

But a jet engine is titanium alloy -- is that not a light colored
material? An engine was found on the ground. No radioactivity
was reported at the WTC. We would expect an engine to
penetrate since it would not have hit the inner core of the
building, so that nothing stopped it from busting out, exactly
as the pictures show. (DE)

7) The video analyis of the CNN footage seems to
lead to being a CGI/faked.

"Seems?" I was looking for something more specific --

8) The different footage from other sources appears
to contradict each other(in flight trajectory).

I've gone around and around on this with Ron Winn,
who seems to be making unwarrented perceptual
assumptions of distance and angle -- assumptions
which are arbitrary and not the only possibilities. (DE)

9) The only real "proof" seems to be merely the
government's word.

A few comments on this one:

I - Many video cameras caught the crash into south tower.

II -In a matter of minutes everyone was aware that a
second plane had hit.

III - The hole in the building fits the shape of a plane,
and is satisfactorily of the right proportions and
angle.

IV - Large pieces of airliner debris were photographed
on the ground -- including a piece with several
window holes in a row.

V - There was no rumor of no planes until
Holmgren and Webfairy came up with the story
years after the fact -- speaking of the WTC,
not the Pentagon, of course.

VII - Holmgren has never tested his conclusions --
neither he nor any other "no planer" has ever put
an ad in New York Newspapers asking for witnesses
to the South Tower crash and seen what he gets.
To me this indicates that there is NO BASIS for
the "no planes" claim. (DE)

10) The Amalgam Virgo 01 drill in June of 2001 which
seems to be closely like 9/11 itself was a drill with
cruise missile attacks. Perfect cover to carry out actual
operation.

Yes, but we know that missiles were used at the
Pentagon. They would certainly not risk using
missiles on the SOuth Tower after the world's
attention -- all eyes -- were on the WTC following
the crash at North Tower. There were actual
hijacking drills on September 11 -- but that fact
does not imply that no jetliners crashed in
New York that day. The drills influenced the
standdown and the other reaction responses.

Wishing you good health,

Brother Richard

Dick Eastman <de1949@nwinfo.net> wrote:
Brother Greg,

I may have missed something. Please list and briefly describe findings that leave your mind open to the idea that no jetliners crashed at the WTC on September 11, 2001. I am not looking for proof or certainty -- but just something beyond the "finding" that "anything is possible."

For example, if I believed that no firemen died at the WTC, I would have to give reasons for saying that -- something beyond merely saying "no one interviewed ever said they saw a fireman die" or "no fireman corpses have ever been photographed" etc.

Yours in sweet sincerity,

Brother Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: greg nixon
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] No Plane Theory

Sorry I have to disagree with my brother Kevin. He cannot make a statement with absolute assurance when there is evidence to the contrary. There is enough evidence to say the alleged commercial aircraft i.e. 175 and 11 did not hit the WTC, as for what hit the towers is ongoing and what researcher Ewing2001 calls "backend research." Brett if you think you can make the case that 'no planes' is 'dis-info' you are invited to test your debating skills against the researchers at Yahoo Group "planehuggers" Good Luck! Please see articles of recent note:

http://www.reopen911.org/bluescreen.htm

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=we_have_holes

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911chron_timeline_nico.html

Greg Nixon

Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is absolutely NO DOUBT that planes hit the wtc. We do NOT dissemenate hologram hogwash on this group. it is questionable what hit the pentagon but I personally dont dwell on that aspect too much. What IS known is that the man that the fbi said flew te plane into the pentagon could NOT have done so at all. He could not even drive a car. His name was Hani Hanjour. They named another man before him whose name escapes me at the moment who came forward and said HEY! I am ALIVE! You have named the wrong man! So they saw fit to pull Mr. Hanjour's name out of the very same hat as the other fellah.

Kevin
P.S. Welcome to the group. And please check out www.911research.com www.wtc7.net www.infowars.com www.globalresearch.ca and www.onlinejournal.com If you happen to live in San Francisco, Watch my weekly tv show on cable channel 29 every sat. night at midnite.

Ben Kramer <benkramer1@yahoo.com> wrote:

Greetings Everyone,

I have been a member here for less than two weeks, and I see that
the "NO PLANE" theory has been often discussed. Its something that I
heard and thought that it might be possible in the past but not now
with one bit of evidence.
If one carefully watches the video of the second plane that
crashed into the WTC, you can see that one of the engines goes right
thru the building and out on the other side of the building towards
the street.

I have seen pics of this engine on the Jeff Rense website where
it had landed out on the street a couple of blocks from the WTC. An
airplane mechanic has examined the picture and stated that he knows
for sure that it didnt come from a commercial airliner.

Based on this information I believe that its impossible that
there was no plane that hit the WTC and I thinks its very possible
that this theory is merely misinformation by certain entities that
would like to derail the truth movement.
Maybe Ben Chertoff planted this story outside of PM magazine ?
Michael Chertoff's cousin. Anyway I welcome any and all comments on
this issue.

Brett K

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:13:37 -0700
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 02:15:24 -0000
From: "Ben Kramer" <benkramer1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Could Sean Hannity be coming clean ? NOT!

While listening to the radio, I just heard Sean Hannity say that Cindy
Sheehan is blaming George W Bush for the 9/11 attacks !!!
Of course he was just demonizing her but just the mention of that was
astonishing to me to say the least. I wonder when the press will come
around and start really considering that this is more than possible but
very much a probablity ?

Brett K

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:08:14 -0700
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Subject: Charlie Sheen's Dead On Target Remarks About 9/11

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:26:30 -0800
From: John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net>
Subject: New York Magazine article signals 9/11 breakout

Dear friends:
I am writing to call your attention to the
article by Mark Jacobson entitled “The Ground
Zero Grassy Knoll” appearing in this week’s issue
of New York Magazine dated <?xml:namespace prefix
= st1 ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:dumbtags"
/>March 27, 2006, available online at
<http://www.nymag.com/news/features/16464/index.html>http://www.nymag.com/news/features/16464/index.html,
of which I am enclosing a copy. I would invite
you to interpret this important signal piece as a
warning issued by a section of the US ruling
elite of their readiness to use some form of
revisionist exposé of the real story of 9/11 as a
political weapon – a more powerful version of the
Watergate tapes -- for the purpose of
neutralizing the obviously unhinged Bush-Cheney
rogue regime, including administration plans for
new synthetic terrorist provocations leading to
an attack on Iran and further totalitarian
measures on the home front. Flaws and weaknesses
in the article, which are obvious enough, change
nothing in this picture. The 9/11 truth movement
is now offered a perhaps unique opportunity to
change the course of world history for the
better. This can be done by mobilizing world
public opinion on the basis of a unifying
political platform of full MIHOP, identifying the
September criminals as intelligence networks
inside the US-UK military/security bureaucracy,
exercising control above and behind the
Bush-Cheney White House and Tony Blair’s 10
Downing Street. The overriding POLITICAL issue at
hand is the reality of MIHOP, the key to avoiding
opportunism on the one hand and the sectarianism
of purely technical disputes on the other. It is
time to direct all available polemical energies
outward, towards breaking the influence of the
gatekeepers on the left and the right, and
towards maximizing the political impact of the 9/11 scandal.
WGT
Copy in word format: http://waronfreedom.org/wgt/new-york-mag-20iii06.doc

If Tarpley is right, that this article is a
signal, then isn't it interesting that the very
same issue of nymag hangs larry silverstein out to dry?
is a slap at silverstein a slap at israel and at the iran war project, too?

Why George Pataki Turned on Larry Silverstein
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/news/politics/powergrid/16467/index.html
" I was looking for someone, anyone, with
something remotely nice to say about Larry Silverstein."
" Before George Pataki, Michael Bloomberg, Chuck
Schumer, and every other politician and
bureaucrat with a taste for a lusty pile-on had
denounced Silverstein as an abject greedhead"
" extremely difficult to make a deal with, of
being extremely stubborn, of being terrified of
leaving any money on the table.”

hmm. i never knew anything about this guy. I have
always figured wtc7 was supposed to be hit by the
shanksville jet and "they" decided to go ahead,
and larry was just helping out. but the above
characterization makes it plausible that
Silverstein himself really may have decided to
"pull it," out of habitual greed.

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:38:59 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: New OPERATION NORTHWOODS page

From: Henri the Celt <henrithecelt@gci.net>
Date: March 22, 2006 3:25:48 AM EST
To: AAAHenri <henrithecelt@gci.net>
Subject: Fw: New OPERATION NORTHWOODS page

 
New OPERATION NORTHWOODS page

From: Russell Pickering
 
Russell says: For the first time I read and studied the Operation
Northwoods document in detail. I found a lot of information I didn't
know.
 
They mentioned things like:
 
!) Using plastic explosives
2) Planting aircraft parts
3) Using air defense exercises as a cover
4) Radio controlled detonation of an aircraft
5) Conducting funerals for mock-victims
6) Having an attack in D.C.
 
It contained every element of 9/11 in detail. I posted full-size
versions of the papers linked in the sidebar and underlined in red all
of the key points to save time for viewers.
 
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/north.html
 
 
Russell           Click on features in the left sidebar below...
 

 

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OPERATION NORTHWOODS

Is it conceivable that that elements within the United States
government would conduct a terrorist attack on itself to justify the
invasion of a country and the overthrow of a regime? Would they create
a series of well-coordinated incidents in a single, integrated,
time-phased plan that involved hijacking, painting planes to look like
civil airliners, planes being substituted with drones, the destruction
of an aircraft triggered by a radio signal, passenger swapping,
planting of aircraft parts and exploding a few plastic bombs in
carefully chosen spots to give the genuine appearance of being done by
hostile forces - even in Washington D.C.? Could they be so calculating
as to conduct funerals for mock-victims so that casualty lists
published in U.S. papers would cause a helpful wave of national
indignation?

Did you guess yes or no? The answer is yes. If you go to the documents
at the bottom right of this page you can see for yourself. Those are
photocopies of the original documents from Operation Northwoods, a 1962
plan to invade Cuba and overthrow Saddam......oops I mean Fidel Castro.
Read the whole thing but if you're in a hurry just read the parts I've
underlined in red. You will find that the above paragraph consists
almost entirely of quotes from Operation Northwoods. Reading these is a
MUST for anybody truly wanting to understand 9/11 and the invasion of
the Middle East 27 days later. At the bottom of this page you can link
to the originals in the National Security Archives at George Washington
University. But do it before they're gone because the CIA is currently
reclassifying documents as we speak (Source).

The frightening thing is the exact parallels we're seeing today. If we
changed the names to Bush, Rumsfeld, Saddam Hussein, and Iraq it is
identical. Except for the fact that Kennedy had the character to deny
the plan and reassign Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Lyman L.
Lemnitzer who authored it. It is not known if Defense Secretary Robert
McNamara actually approved the plan or not. In an interesting quote in
light of the first paragraph Donald Rumsfeld referred to 9/11 as a,
".....well-coordinated, massive attack against the United States of
America". There's that phrase "well-coordinated" again.

The missile base photo above is reminiscent of the satellite shots we
saw of Saddam's WMD. Flight 77 disappearing over the Ohio/Kentucky
border and then suddenly reappearing over D.C. is curious in light of a
plane being "substituted" with a drone. The use of "plastic bombs in
carefully chosen spots" makes me think of the exit hole in the A-E
drive of the Pentagon. Funerals being conducted for "mock-victims" is
extremely interesting since there were no Arab names at all on Flight
77's passenger manifest or on the official autopsy performed in Dover,
Delaware by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.

"The destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio
signal" matches the DoD video frame 2 that shows the plane breaking up
before it hits the wall and fits several eyewitness reports. That they
would "disburse F-101 (read plane) parts" makes sense of the perfect
pieces of lettering found all over the lawn of the Pentagon. The whole
time they would be conducting an "air defense exercise" like they did
on 9/11 as a cover (Source). And finally that they would do this at the
Pentagon "even in Washington".

If everything we heard about 9/11 was just made up by "conspiracy
theorists" that would be one thing. But every single element of the
questions being asked by 9/11 researchers sat classified for forty
years in the National Security Archives. The rest of this page is an
article from ABC news on the Operation Northwoods document. They use
the term "reportedly" for some reason but you can read the document for
yourself now.

U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke
War With Cuba
By David Ruppe

NEW YORK, May 1, 2001 - In the early 1960s, America's top military
leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit
acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war
against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the
possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban
refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship,
and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the
international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new
leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military
casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay
and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a
helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a
new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of
America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However,
the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert
McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the
civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held
secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up
because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the
public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying
to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody
else wants."

Gunning for War

The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved
plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S.
government," writes Bamford.

The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut
John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a
false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.

Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is
to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists
et all Cuba [sic]."

The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military
leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first
communist leader in the Western Hemisphere — only 90 miles from U.S.
shores.

The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had
been a disastrous failure, in which the military was not allowed to
provide firepower.The military leaders now wanted a shot at it.

"The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford, noting public and
international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently
neither the American public, nor the Cuban public, wanted to see U.S.
troops deployed to drive out Castro.

Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged
military — not democratic — control over the island nation after the
invasion.

"That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says.
"The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the
Russians were doing all over the world, by imposing a government by
tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."

'Over the Edge'

The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army
Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a
pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods
be run by the military.

Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the
meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told
Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using
overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer
would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another
job.

The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military
leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in the Kennedy
administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and
soft on communism. At the same time, however, there real were concerns
in American society about their military overstepping its bounds.

There were reports U.S. military leaders had encouraged their
subordinates to vote conservative during the election.

And at least two popular books were published focusing on a right-wing
military leadership pushing the limits against government policy of the
day. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on
right-wing extremism in the military, warning a "considerable danger"
in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had
been uncovered. The committee even called for an examination of any
ties between Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get
wind of Northwoods, says Bamford.

"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes,
"Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge."

Even after Lemnitzer was gone, he writes, the Joint Chiefs continued to
plan "pretext" operations at least through 1963.

One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American
country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay
someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the
Guantanamo naval base — an act, which Bamford notes, would have
amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over
Cuba, with the intention of having one shot down as a pretext for a
war.

"There really was a worry at the time about the military going off
crazy and they did, but they never succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of
trying," he says.

After 40 Years

Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because
of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a
conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy.

As public interest in the assassination swelled after JFK's release,
Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to
government records related to the assassination.

The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents.

Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all
Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says
Bamford. But somehow, these remained.

"The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after,"
says Bamford.

THE END

My hope is that the 9/11 truth movement will have success long before
40 years!!

The National Security Archive

ABC News Article

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:01:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 9/11 Breakout

Dear friends:
I am writing to call your attention to the article by
Mark Jacobson entitled “The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll”
appearing in this week’s issue of New York Magazine
dated <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:dumbtags" />March
27, 2006, available online at:

http://www.nymag.com/news/features/16464/index.html,

of which I am enclosing a copy. I would invite you to
interpret this important signal piece as a warning
issued by a section of the US ruling elite of their
readiness to use some form of revisionist exposé of
the real story of 9/11 as a political weapon – a more
powerful version of the Watergate tapes -- for the
purpose of neutralizing the obviously unhinged
Bush-Cheney rogue regime, including administration
plans for new synthetic terrorist provocations leading
to an attack on Iran and further totalitarian measures
on the home front. Flaws and weaknesses in the
article, which are obvious enough, change nothing in
this picture. The 9/11 truth movement is now offered a
perhaps unique opportunity to change the course of
world history for the better. This can be done by
mobilizing world public opinion on the basis of a
unifying political platform of full MIHOP, identifying
the September criminals as intelligence networks
inside the US-UK military/security bureaucracy,
exercising control above and behind the Bush-Cheney
White House and Tony Blair’s 10 Downing Street. The
overriding POLITICAL issue at hand is the reality of
MIHOP, the key to avoiding opportunism on the one hand
and the sectarianism of purely technical disputes on
the other. It is time to direct all available
polemical energies outward, towards breaking the
influence of the gatekeepers on the left and the
right, and towards maximizing the political impact of
the 9/11 scandal.

Webster Griffin Tarpley

Copy in word format:

http://waronfreedom.org/wgt/new-york-mag-20iii06.doc

Who is Webster Griffin Tarpley?

Webster Griffin Tarpley: Historian, Iconoclast,
Investigative Journalist

Webster Griffin Tarpley is an activist and historian
best known for his George Bush: The Unauthorized
Biography (1992), which has become an underground
classic on the Internet at www.tarpley.net.

He co-authored American Leviathan: Administrative
Fascism Under the Bush Regime (1991), which identified
many tendencies which have become prominent today.

An expert on international terrorism with decades of
experience, he directed the study Chi ha ucciso Aldo
Moro? (Who Killed Aldo Moro?) which was commissioned
by a member of the Italian government and published in
Rome in 1978. [Aldo Moro was an ex-prime minister of
Italy who was murdered by the "Red Brigades," who were
ultimately found out to be a front for a fascistic
state terror group.]

Against Oligarchy, a collection of Tarpley's essays
and speeches, appeared on the Internet in 1996. He
also wrote Surviving the Cataclysm (1999), an analysis
of the world financial crisis. Parts of these works
and all of the Unauthorized Biography can be viewed on
the Internet, at www.tarpley.net.

Tarpley has appeared on CNN Crossfire, Charlie Rose,
talk radio, and cable access television across North
America.

For recent radio appearances by Webster Tarpley, see
Authors on the Air

Please see New Releases for synopses of his masterly
exposé of 9/11, 911 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA and
of George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, which
Progressive Press is also reprinting.

Here is what independent journalist Judy Andreas had
to say about Webster Tarpley's presentation at the
9/11 Truth conference in NYC (full text at Rense.com)

An Evening In Pursuit Of The Truth

Words cannot express what an inspiring, exciting event
I attended on September 11, 2004 in New York City...
Webster Tarpley gave a superb talk. Mr. Tarpley has a
book that will be released in October called 9/11
Synthetic Terrorism Myth of the Twenty-first Century.
This book explores the terrorist attacks of September
11, 2001 as an example of state-sponsored, false-flag
terrorism, carried out by a rogue network within the
US government - a rogue network which is the current
form of the invisible government behind the
Iran-contra scandal of 1986-88.
Because of the constraints of time, Mr. Tarpley could
only touch briefly on the roles of patsies, moles,
expert professionals, the controlled corporate media
and a privatized command center, as he showed how the
empirical evidence around 9/11 made sense.
Tarpley demonstrated that the official accounts of the
Pentagon crash, the fall of the Twin Towers, the fall
of WTC 7, and the crash of United 93 in Shanksville
are physically impossible, and the idea that "four
misfit highjackers" could pilot commercial jets is
beyond the bounds of physical and technical reality.

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:50:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Bell <somebigguy88@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 9/11 Breakout

Hi there, is there an official source for this article?

Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Dear friends:
I am writing to call your attention to the article by
Mark Jacobson entitled �The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll�
appearing in this week�s issue of New York Magazine
dated <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:dumbtags" />March
27, 2006, available online at:

http://www.nymag.com/news/features/16464/index.html,

of which I am enclosing a copy. I would invite you to
interpret this important signal piece as a warning
issued by a section of the US ruling elite of their
readiness to use some form of revisionist expos� of
the real story of 9/11 as a political weapon � a more
powerful version of the Watergate tapes -- for the
purpose of neutralizing the obviously unhinged
Bush-Cheney rogue regime, including administration
plans for new synthetic terrorist provocations leading
to an attack on Iran and further totalitarian measures
on the home front. Flaws and weaknesses in the
article, which are obvious enough, change nothing in
this picture. The 9/11 truth movement is now offered a
perhaps unique opportunity to change the course of
world history for the better. This can be done by
mobilizing world public opinion on the basis of a
unifying political platform of full MIHOP, identifying
the September criminals as intelligence networks
inside the US-UK military/security bureaucracy,
exercising control above and behind the Bush-Cheney
White House and Tony Blair�s 10 Downing Street. The
overriding POLITICAL issue at hand is the reality of
MIHOP, the key to avoiding opportunism on the one hand
and the sectarianism of purely technical disputes on
the other. It is time to direct all available
polemical energies outward, towards breaking the
influence of the gatekeepers on the left and the
right, and towards maximizing the political impact of
the 9/11 scandal.

Webster Griffin Tarpley

Copy in word format:

http://waronfreedom.org/wgt/new-york-mag-20iii06.doc


Who is Webster Griffin Tarpley?


Webster Griffin Tarpley: Historian, Iconoclast,
Investigative Journalist

Webster Griffin Tarpley is an activist and historian
best known for his George Bush: The Unauthorized
Biography (1992), which has become an underground
classic on the Internet at www.tarpley.net.

He co-authored American Leviathan: Administrative
Fascism Under the Bush Regime (1991), which identified
many tendencies which have become prominent today.

An expert on international terrorism with decades of
experience, he directed the study Chi ha ucciso Aldo
Moro? (Who Killed Aldo Moro?) which was commissioned
by a member of the Italian government and published in
Rome in 1978. [Aldo Moro was an ex-prime minister of
Italy who was murdered by the "Red Brigades," who were
ultimately found out to be a front for a fascistic
state terror group.]

Against Oligarchy, a collection of Tarpley's essays
and speeches, appeared on the Internet in 1996. He
also wrote Surviving the Cataclysm (1999), an analysis
of the world financial crisis. Parts of these works
and all of the Unauthorized Biography can be viewed on
the Internet, at www.tarpley.net.

Tarpley has appeared on CNN Crossfire, Charlie Rose,
talk radio, and cable access television across North
America.

For recent radio appearances by Webster Tarpley, see
Authors on the Air

Please see New Releases for synopses of his masterly
expos� of 9/11, 911 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA and
of George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, which
Progressive Press is also reprinting.

Here is what independent journalist Judy Andreas had
to say about Webster Tarpley's presentation at the
9/11 Truth conference in NYC (full text at Rense.com)

An Evening In Pursuit Of The Truth

Words cannot express what an inspiring, exciting event
I attended on September 11, 2004 in New York City...
Webster Tarpley gave a superb talk. Mr. Tarpley has a
book that will be released in October called 9/11
Synthetic Terrorism Myth of the Twenty-first Century.
This book explores the terrorist attacks of September
11, 2001 as an example of state-sponsored, false-flag
terrorism, carried out by a rogue network within the
US government - a rogue network which is the current
form of the invisible government behind the
Iran-contra scandal of 1986-88.
Because of the constraints of time, Mr. Tarpley could
only touch briefly on the roles of patsies, moles,
expert professionals, the controlled corporate media
and a privatized command center, as he showed how the
empirical evidence around 9/11 made sense.
Tarpley demonstrated that the official accounts of the
Pentagon crash, the fall of the Twin Towers, the fall
of WTC 7, and the crash of United 93 in Shanksville
are physically impossible, and the idea that "four
misfit highjackers" could pilot commercial jets is
beyond the bounds of physical and technical reality.



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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:33:42 -0000
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
Subject: 9/11 News Update - 3/22

Note: Jesse,, editor of TVNL will be joining Less Jamieson of
NY911Truth.org as they head down to Elliot Spitzer's office today.
They will be addressing the fact that he is ignoring the information
that has been presented to him related to the events of 9/11.

9/11 News : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#911

• Top FBI Official Unaware of Moussaoui Terror Ties - The FBI
official in charge of international terrorism before September 11 said
on Tuesday he did not know an agent had warned three weeks before the
hijackings that he suspected Zacarias Moussaoui was plotting a
terrorist act.

• Huge Reaction To Sheen 9/11 Story - Carlos Santana is all over the
news today for criticizing George Bush and the Iraq war yet Charlie
Sheen has gone much further, if the media ignores this story it is
proof positive of a cover-up.

• 9/11 Truth in the Media - In the past few weeks, 9/11 truth has
been squeaking out, to various degrees, through various media sources,
suggesting a broader awareness of the need for 9/11 truth and justice
is finally reaching mainstream America -- a little. Following is a
sampling of these.

• 9/11 kin want truth, not death - Many of the 9/11 families watching
the Zacarias Moussaoui trial don't want his head. They just want to
know what he - and the U.S. government - knew of the plot.

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