Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911TruthAction] Digest Number 1184

Wednesday, March 22, 2006

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1184

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Pirate to Parrot: Voice Caught Prompting Bush
From: Moondancermom@aol.com
2. 9/11 Updates 3/21 tvnl news
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
3. A Day in the Life: 3/21/6
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
4. Why Larry Silverstein can�t get it up
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
5. RE: the scenario that Boing 757 on the flight 77
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
6. Re: Why Larry Silverstein can�t get it up
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
7. Re: No Plane Theory
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
8. Re: Why Larry Silverstein can�t get it up
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
9. Check this picture out
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
10. Re: Why Larry Silverstein can�t get it up
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
11. Huge Reaction To Sheen 9/11 Story
From: Moondancermom@aol.com
12. Re: No Plane Theory
From: Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>
13. Fwd: [Conspiracy Archive] Update: Mar. 21st, 2006
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
14. Re: No Plane Theory
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
15. Re: No Plane Theory
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
16. Re: No Plane Theory
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
17. Ohio - Lawyer arrested for speaking out
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
18. Re: No Plane Theory
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
19. Uranium bombing in Iraq contaminates Europe
From: Moondancermom@aol.com
20. Re: No Plane Theory
From: Matt Walch <caribbean10@yahoo.com>
21. RE: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists Run Amok (from NY Magazine)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
22. Re: No Plane Theory
From: Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>
23. Fwd: [WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED] Kissinger sez it again...
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
24. Re: No Plane Theory
From: "Dick Eastman" <de1949@nwinfo.net>
25. Re: No Plane Theory
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:56:10 EST
From: Moondancermom@aol.com
Subject: Pirate to Parrot: Voice Caught Prompting Bush

Bush in France with Chirac. His every intonation is in imitation of a voice,
captured by camera audio equipment, shepherding him.

Notice the stumble Bush makes that his prompting voice didn;t in the
beginning of his speech when you hear Bush say, "And I look working ... I look
foward to working with President Chirac..." Also notice that there is a female
voice prompting Chirac. These points make it very clear that this is not a
broadcasting delay.

_http://youtube.com/watch?v=aCMVb9Ori2s_
(http://youtube.com/watch?v=aCMVb9Ori2s)

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:02:24 -0000
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
Subject: 9/11 Updates 3/21 tvnl news

9/11 News : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#911

� Paramedic who worked at WTC morgue dies of respiratory illness - A
41-year-old paramedic who worked at a morgue for months after the
Sept. 11, 2001, attack on the World Trade Center was buried Monday
after dying of an asbestos-related cancer.

� Actor Charlie Sheen Questions Official 9/11 Story - Calls for truly
independent investigation, joins growing ranks of prominent credible
whistleblowers

� FBI Agent Slams Bosses at Moussaoui Trial - FBI agent who arrested
Zacarias Moussaoui in August 2001 testified Monday he spent almost
four weeks trying to warn U.S. officials about the radical Islamic
student pilot but "criminal negligence" by superiors in Washington
thwarted a chance to stop the 9/11 attacks.

� New York Magazine - The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll - How could they,
an hour after the first World Trade Center crash, allow an obviously
hostile airplane to smash into the Pentagon, headquarters of the
entire military-industrial complex, for chrissakes? And why did the
Defense Department choose to stage an extraordinary number of military
exercises on 9/11 occupying matriel and spreading confusion about who
was who on that day?

� 9/11: Defense Contractor and CNN collaborated on Analysis of
Collapse of World Trade Center Towers - An outfit entitled FACS
(Foundation for American Communications), "secured Weidlinger
engineers as a resource for journalists. The firm is a leader in
defense-related blast effects research and design programs for more
than four decades." The mission of FACS, as posted on its website is
"to improve the quality of information reaching the public through the
news".

� Is Another 911 In The Works? - Readers, whose thinking runs ahead
of that of most of us, tell me that another 9/11 event will prepare
the ground for a nuclear attack on Iran.

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:25:45 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: A Day in the Life: 3/21/6

GOVERNMENT OF THE USA IN EXILE
Free Americans Reaching Out to Amerika's Huddled Masses Yearning to
Breathe Free
Via <prez@usa-exile.org>
March 21, 2006

From: Henri the Celt <henrithecelt@gci.net>
Subject: Fw: [UrukNet] - [Daily Information from Occupied Iraq]

uruknet.info
اوروكنت. إنفو
:: information from occupied iraq
:: informazione dall'iraq occupato

Death Squad Democracy
Mike Whitney

The notion that Iraq is now consumed by civil war depends on a number
of assumptions that are inherently false. First of all, it assumes that
the Pentagon is ignoring the fundamental principle which underscores
all wars: "Know your enemy". In this case, there’s no doubt about who
the enemy is; it is the 87% of the Iraqi people who want to see an
immediate end to the American occupation. Therefore, the greatest
threat to American objectives of permanent bases and occupation is the
camaraderie that that manifests itself in the form of Arab solidarity
or Iraqi nationalism. To this end, the Pentagon, through its surrogates
in the media, has created a "self-fulfilling" narrative that civil war
is already under way. Most of the war coverage now makes it appear as
though the violence is generated from ethnic tensions and sectarian
hatred. But is it?...

Read the full article / Leggi l'articolo completo:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=21713

FLASHBACK: Lies about the “oppression of the Shi‘ah” and others
Muhammad al-Baghdadi

We have heard a lot about how the Shi'ah were supposedly oppressed in
the time when the Arab Socialist Baath Party ruled Iraq. We’ve heard
about how they were supposedly not treated equally with other Iraqis.
In fact, however, these are nothing but lies fabricated as part of a
psychological warfare propaganda campaign aimed at Iraqi citizens – a
campaign waged by the US military and its experts in psychological
warfare in order to pave the way for their occupation of Iraq. We don’t
plan to delve into the details or goals of that sinister campaign here.
Instead we hope to briefly respond to some of the claims they make.
I’ll begin with myself. I come from a Shi'i background, which is to say
that my father is a scion of a Shi'i family. Yet I worked as a
government employee in the Iraqi state, close to the policy makers, and
in fact I participated in the making of policy in the areas of the
economy and administration of the state. But no one ever asked me what
sect I belong to or what my religion is...

Read the full article / Leggi l'articolo completo:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=21683

Children of Abraham: Death in the Desert
Chris Floyd

...We know from the photographs that one child, the youngest, the baby,
has a gaping wound in his forehead. We can see that one other child, a
girl with a pink ribbon in her hair, is lying on her side and has blood
oozing from the back of her head. The faces of the other children are
turned upwards toward the sun; if they were shot, they were shot in the
back of the head and their wounds are not evident. But we can see that
their bodies, though covered with dust from the rubble, are otherwise
unmarked; they were evidently not crushed in the collapse of the house
during, say, a fierce firefight between U.S. forces and an "al Qaeda
facilitator." They died in some other fashion...

Read the full article / Leggi l'articolo completo:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=21707

IRAQ: Hundreds of families displaced due to major offensive
IRIN

Hundreds of families have fled the city of Samarra, some 120 km
northwest of the capital, Baghdad, after US coalition and Iraqi forces
launched the biggest air offensive in the country since 2003. "We have
sent volunteers from the disaster department to monitor the situation
and we are preparing ourselves for an emergency," said Ferdous
al-Abadi, spokesperson for the Iraqi Red Crescent Society (IRCS) in
Baghdad.(...) According to a senior official in the Iraq Ministry of
Defence, Ra’ad Shalal, more than 75 insurgents have been captured so
far. He added that there had been no civilian deaths reported since the
operation began. But local doctors say that at least 35 civilians
including women and children have been treated at the local hospital
with injuries caused by the air-strikes. In addition, 18 bodies had
been taken to the hospital since 17 March...

Read the full article / Leggi l'articolo completo:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=21712

Bush, US media insult Iraq on third anniversary of illegal invasion
Truth About Iraqis

As tens of thousands of people areound the world mark the third
anniversary of the Iraq war with protests and denounciations of the US
policy of unilateral, pre-emptive war, US President George Bush has
delivered a speech low on ethics and reality and heavy on
self-delusional patriotism. Quoth Nedra Pickler of the Associated
Press, in the third paragraph: "We are implementing a strategy that
will lead to victory in Iraq," the president assured a public that is
increasingly skeptical that he has a plan to end the fighting after the
deaths of more than 2,300 U.S. troops. Pickler did not address the
travesty befalling the Iraqi people until the seventh paragraph: Bush
did not mention the insurgent attacks, the car bombs or the mounting
Iraqi deaths in a two-minute statement to reporters outside the White
House after returning from a weekend at Camp David. Avoiding the word
"war," he called the day "the third anniversary of the beginning of the
liberation of Iraq." Yes, indeed. The liberation of Iraq? Did we not
hear that same phrase 1095 days ago? Unfortunately, Nedra forgot to
mention the thousands of Iraqis killed by gung-ho, trigger-happy US
soldiers...

Read the full article / Leggi l'articolo completo:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=21718

US soldiers murdered 9 Iraqis including a family
Baghdad Dweller

US death machine slaughtered nine people today including a family, a
father, a mother with their 13 years old boy. The sad joke in this
story is: They are distributing leaflets among the citizens saying:
They did not regard Sunnis as their enemy and that they wanted to
withdraw from Iraq as soon as the country’s newly formed army was able
to stand on its own feet. They ask the citizens to give information
about the insurgents...

Read the full article / Leggi l'articolo completo:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=21717

[snip]

Baker’s Latest Assignment; tell Bush we lost
Mike Whitney

The cracks and fissures are finally beginning to appear in Fortress
Bush. The AP is reporting that Congress quietly appointed an "Iraq
Study Group" headed by James A. Baker to "assess the Bush
administration’s policies in Iraq and political and economic
developments in the troubled country". In other words, Baker has been
picked to tell Bush that the war is over; we lost. The group was voted
into being with little fanfare to spare the White House any unnecessary
embarrassment, but the message is clear; the adults are finally
stepping in. The war has been so appallingly mismanaged that jittery
American elites are forcing themselves back into the policy-making
apparatus...

Read the full article / Leggi l'articolo completo:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=21741

State of the Zionist Empire Three Years After the Invasion and
Occupation of Iraq
Hassan A El-Njajjar, Al-Jazeerah.info

...Researchers have found that the Zionist rulers of the American
Empire had expressed their intention to invade Iraq during the 1990s.
This was expressed in a blueprint written by Wolfowitz, Pearl, and
Feith well before they came to power. However, in my book about the
1991 Gulf War "The Gulf War: Overreaction & Excessiveness" (which was
rejected by about 50 US publishers), I argued that leaders of the
Zionist Empire considered Iraq as a threat to be dealt with as far back
as 1988. Back then, the Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and his
foreign minister Shimon Peres pronounced the first public announcement
about targeting Iraq, as it came out stronger from the eight-year
Iran-Iraq War...

Read the full article / Leggi l'articolo completo:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=21742

Welcome to Liberated Iraq
Entesar Mohammad Ariabi, AlterNet

...I work in one of the largest hospitals in Baghdad. I stood by
helplessly during the 13 years of sanctions and watched my people --
especially children -- die from lack of medicines and poor sanitation.
UNICEF estimated that over 200 children died every day as a direct
result of sanctions. Many people thought that after the U.S. occupied
our country and the sanctions were lifted, the health care of the Iraqi
people would improve. But the occupation has made it worse. Many of the
Iraqi hospitals in cities like Baghdad, Al-Qaim, and Fallujah were
bombed and destroyed. Many ambulances were attacked and health workers
killed, despite the fact that it is illegal under international law to
attack hospitals, ambulances and health workers. After our hospitals
were bombed and looted, millions of dollars were given to contractors
to repair them. We suggested that this money be used to buy things that
we urgently need, but the contractors refused and instead bought
furniture and flowers and superficial things. Meanwhile, we suffer from
a critical shortage of medicines, emergency supplies and anesthesia,
and there is no sterilization in the operation rooms...

Read the full article / Leggi l'articolo completo:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=21752

Bush and Blair violations to the international law in the economic field
Testimony before the popular international court - Cairo 4/2/2006
Mohsen Khalil, BRussells Tribunal

My testimony shall focus on the violations committed by Bush and Blair
to the international law in the economic filed. This vital and
important side is one of the main targets of the occupation as the
American invasion did not only result into the military occupation of
Iraq, yet an economic occupation as well. As legal violations in the
political, military and human aspects have taken place, similar
violations were also made to the economy...

Read the full article / Leggi l'articolo completo:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=21757

Operation Smarmier
Ed Naha

Ahh, just another week in Bushzarro world. Six polls released, during
the week, showed the Pretzledent's approval rating hovering between 33
and 39%, with Fox giving him that whopping high figure. (I think Son of
Sam has higher poll numbers and he got his guidance from a neighbor's
talking dog, not Cheney and Rumsfeld.) Plus, about seven in ten
Americans now agree that Iraq is a colossal screw-up, according to all
the polls. What to do? What to do? The Iraqi cheerleading speeches
aren't turning people around. So, in Bushzarro world? The answer is
evident. Attack rural farms north of Samarra! Dub it "Operation
Swarmer." Declare it the "largest air assault" in nearly three years,
which it wasn't. Say we're going after "insurgents," "al-Qaeda," or
"strange criminals"...

Read the full article / Leggi l'articolo completo:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=21753

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From: Larenzo236@aol.com
Date: March 20, 2006 8:31:01 AM EST
Subject: Fwd: 300,000 - 500,000 Marched in Chicago Friday

From: LAdams727@aol.com
Date: March 20, 2006 6:34:25 AM EST
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: Fwd: 300,000 - 500,000 Marched in Chicago Friday

From: PJBscomputer@aol.com
Date: March 19, 2006 5:51:18 PM EST
To: LAdams727@aol.com
Subject: 300,00 - 500,000 Marched in Chicago Friday

300,000 Marched in Chicago Friday: Why
Doesn't Anyone Know?
by: Stu Piddy
March 11, 2006 at 17:51:14 America/Los_Angeles

300,000 to 500,000 people marched in Chicago to protest The Border
Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005.

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The Police estimated 300,000 according to Channel 2 News Chicago. Which
means there were at least 400,000 to 500,000 people.

LINK

Stu Piddy :: 300,000 Marched in Chicago Friday. Why Doesn't Anyone Know?

I live in Chicago. I didn't know anything about it until I heard about
the march on the news. It was a march apparently organized by word of
mouth and internally in various communities. Yet I live in Uptown which
claims to be the most diverse community in Chicago. Maybe I'm out of
it. �I didn't see anything in the papers about an upcoming march. � It
got a few minutes of coverage on TV. 300,000 to 500,000 people gets a
few minutes of coverage in Chicago, I can't imagine what the coverage
was in the rest of the country.

Here's the on line� link to the Chicago Tribune. If you look very
carefully you will find a single link called "immigrant march"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/

The Saturday Chicago Tribune did show a front page picture of the crowd
with a headline and then a not very detailed article. Seems like they
don't really know much about it either. Their estimate was 100.000
people. Amazing how they low-balled the police estimate which low balls
the organizers estimates as a rule. If the police say there were
300.000 people then that is AT LEAST how many people were there.

Minor on line Coverage from the Chicago Suntimes

http://www.suntimes.com/index/

But it doesn't matter because all the awful politicians in Chicago were
there to support the crowd. They had to. That's 300,000 to 1/2 million
votes ( if everybody there were all to be registered) they could lose.
Even Mayor Daley who has installed TV cameras on many city corners and
hopes to have the entire city monitored electronically ala Big Brother
and who did not endorse John Kerry for president was there.

There is nothing that scares a government more than to see 300 to 500
thousand people in the street...protesting.

And they were protesting against Bush too. They were protesting about
a bill sponsored by Jim Sensenbrenner that seeks mass deportations of
Illegal immigrants, sending illegal �workers to jail and making it a
crime to have aided an illegal immigrant.

Immigrants are concerned about the following developments like
Halliburton's contract to build detention centers which can be used to
house immigrants once the bill is enacted.

The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for
establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment
existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities
in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to
support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support
contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific
engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish,
operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.
The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S.
Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as
well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency,
such as a natural disaster. In the event of a natural disaster, the
contractor could be tasked with providing housing for ICE personnel
performing law enforcement functions in support of relief efforts.

Estimates of the crowd by the police were 300,000 people according to
CBS affiliate Channel 2 News. But the Chicago Tribune and Suntimes said
there were 100,000. Lou Dobbs reported 75,000.

The Chicago Police are notorious for being accused of low balling the
numbers of people at marches. So why are these numbers being reported
as less than what the Police Reported? Chicago Police were reportedly
shocked at the amount of people. There were no arrests.

And why has there been almost no coverage? It is because the media is
in effect a state-corporate controlled media.

Halliburton is preparing detention camps for those who disagree with
the new state media.

The new Security State is a seemingly fast developing enterpirse�
trying to catch up with events as they unfold.

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From: CherielJ@aol.com
Date: March 20, 2006 3:31:20 AM EST
To: detox@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Rachel's: Fluoridation: Time for a Second Look?

Rachel's:� Fluoridation: Time for a Second Look?

From: r...@math.missouri.org
Sun, Mar 19, 2006

http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?issue_ID=2001

#724 - Fluoridation: Time For A Second Look?, May 10, 2001

by Paul, Ellen and Michael Connett*

In 1997 the union representing scientists, engineers and lawyers
at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in Washington,
D.C., voted to support a California citizen initiative to stop
fluoridation of public drinking water. In 1999 the union's
vice-president released a paper explaining the union's opposition
to fluoridation.[1]

Fluoridation is the practice of adding fluoride to the public water
supply to reduce dental decay. U.S. fluoridation trials began in
1945 and by 1992 approximately 56% of the U.S. public received its
water from fluoridated systems.[2]

Typically, fluoride-containing (or -generating) compounds are added
to water to bring the level up to 1 milligram of fluoride ion per
liter (1 part per million). In 1986 EPA set a Maximum Contaminant
Level (MCL) for fluoride in drinking water at 4 ppm.[3] The MCL was
based on only one adverse health effect: skeletal fluorosis, a
crippling bone disease.

Fluoridation of public water supplies has stirred passionate debate
for over 50 years. Now new data is refining the debate. It appears
that some of the early claims for fluoridation's benefits were
inflated. In recent years tooth decay has declined in both fluoridated
and non-fluoridated communities. In fact, the largest U.S. survey
indicates that the benefit to fluoridated communities amounts to
0.6 fewer decayed tooth surfaces per child, which is less than one
percent of the tooth surfaces in a child's mouth.[4]

The public health community justified medicating whole communities
via public drinking water using certain arguments that recent
research has now shown to be false. For example, in 1945 scientists
believed that fluoride had to be swallowed to be effective. However,
the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has recently acknowledged
that fluoride's mechanism of action is primarily topical, not
systemic.[5] This means that you don't need to swallow fluoride to
reap its tiny benefits.

A second early belief, now known to be false, is that fluoride is
an essential nutrient. There is no evidence of any disease related
to fluoride deficiency. Natural levels of fluoride in human milk
(0.01 ppm) are approximately a hundred times less than baby formula
reconstituted with fluoridated water.[6]

A third early belief was that dental fluorosis (a defect of the
tooth enamel caused by fluoride's interference with the growing
tooth) would occur in only about 10% of the children drinking water
fluoridated at 1 ppm and would occur only in its mildest form. Today
fluorosis occurs on two or more teeth in 30% of children in areas
where the water is fluoridated, and not all in its mildest form.[7]

A fourth early belief was that 1 ppm fluoride in drinking water
provided an ample margin of safety against toxic effects. Not only
is there no safety margin for dental fluorosis but there is growing
evidence that there may be no safety margin for changes to bone
structure and impacts on the brain, thyroid, and other soft tissues,
especially when it is coupled with nutrient deficiencies, particularly
iodide.

THE EVIDENCE

1) In 1998 the results of a long-term, low-dose rat study were
published.[8] Two groups of rats were exposed to two different kinds
of fluoride at 1 ppm in distilled water. A third group received
only distilled water. Amyloid deposits (associated with Alzheimer's
Disease and other forms of dementia) were elevated in the brains
of both fluoridated groups compared to the control group. The authors
speculate that fluoride enables aluminum to cross the blood-brain
barrier.

2) Millions of people in India and China suffer a crippling bone
disease called skeletal fluorosis, caused by moderate to high natural
levels of fluoride (1.5 to 9 ppm) in their water.[9] Skeletal
fluorosis has several stages of severity, with the less severe being
chronic joint pain. "Because some of the clinical symptoms mimic
arthritis, the first two clinical phases of skeletal fluorosis could
be easily misdiagnosed."[3] Arthritis is now at epidemic levels in
the U.S. Fluoride's plausible contribution has been ignored, but
needs to be taken seriously.

3) Since fluoridation began in 1945 our exposure to other sources
of fluoride has increased substantially. These include processing
food and beverages with fluoridated water; air pollution from
fluoride emitting industries; pesticide residues; vitamins; and
dental products. If 1 ppm in drinking water were the only source
of fluoride, the average person would ingest 2 milligrams (mg) of
fluoride each day, though some may get less because they use bottled
water, or they drink less water than the average adult. In 1991,
the federal Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) estimated
that the range of exposure in communities with approximately 1 ppm
fluoride in the water was 1.58 to 6.6 mg per day.[10]

4) The dose of 1.58 to 6.6 mg per day overlaps the dose found to
depress the functioning of the human thyroid gland. At 2.27 to 4.54
mg/day, fluoride has been found to "completely relieve" the symptoms
of hyperthyroidism (overactive thyroid).[11] With fluoride's known
capacity to depress thyroid activity, it seems that there may be a
link between current fluoride consumption and the prevalence of
hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid). More than twenty million
people in the U.S. receive treatment for thyroid problems and many
others are thought to go undiagnosed.[12]

5) Fluoride is a hormone disrupter. It mimics the action of many
water-soluble hormones by interacting with G proteins, which transmit
hormonal messages across cell membranes.[13] Additionally, fluoride
accumulates in the pineal gland and may reduce melatonin
production.[14]

6) Fluoride (50-75 mg per day) given to osteoporosis patients to
strengthen bones has actually increased their rate of hip
fractures.[15,16] Of 18 studies conducted since 1990, 10 have found
an association between water fluoridation and hip fractures in the
elderly.[17] According to the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease
Registry (ATSDR): "If this effect is confirmed, it would mean that
hip fracture in the elderly replaces dental fluorosis in children
as the most sensitive endpoint of fluoride exposure."[18] Hip
fracture is not a minor problem: in the U.S. up to 50,000 people
die each year of osteoporosis-related hip fractures.[19]

7) Some evidence suggests that fluoride causes bone cancer in male
rats and perhaps in young men.[20, 21]

8) A recent report by the Greater Boston Physicians for Social
Responsibility reviews studies showing that fluoride interferes
with brain function in young animals and in children, reducing
IQ.[22]

Most European countries have rejected fluoridation. Recognizing
that there are simple and effective alternatives, they have applied
the precautionary principle. Their children's teeth have not suffered
as a consequence. Parents willing to expose their children to
fluoride can simply purchase fluoridated toothpaste (which contains
1000 to 1500 ppm fluoride -- read the warning label on the
package).[23]
The American policy of giving fluoride to children by medicating
whole communities with a potent drug that may harm some people seems
a dubious practice at best. At worst it violates the primary principle
of medical ethics: First do no harm. Furthermore, it violates the
ethical principle of informed consent.

In May 2000 the Fluoride Action Network (FAN) was formed by a
coalition of activists and scientists from 12 countries (see:
http://www.fluoridealert.org). FAN's goal is to end fluoridation
and minimize exposure to fluoride. FAN's founding members include
the late David Brower; Teddy Goldsmith; Michael Colby; Gar Smith;
Terri Swearingen; the union representing professional employees at
EPA headquarters; and Dr. Hardy Limeback, Canada's leading dental
authority on fluoridation who in 1999 apologized for having promoted
fluoridation for 15 years.

We urge our colleagues working on public health and environmental
issues to become involved and take a second look at fluoridation.

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* Paul Connett is professor of chemistry at St. Lawrence University
in Canton N.Y.; Ellen Connett is editor of WASTE NOT , 82 Judson,
Canton N.Y. 13617; Michael Connett is FAN's webmaster
<http://www.fluoridealert.org>

[1] J. William Hirzy, "Why the union representing U.S. EPA's
professionals in Washington D.C. opposes fluoridation," WASTE NOT
#448 ( May 1, 1999), pgs. 1-4. And see
http://www.fluoridation.com/epa2.htm.

[2] Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for
Prevention Services, Division of Oral Health, "Water Supply Statistics"
(Atlanta, Georgia: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,
1993). Available at http://www.cdc.gov/nohss/FSSupplyStats.htm.

[3] Bette Hileman, "Fluoridation of water. Questions about health
risks and benefits remain after more than 40 years," CHEMICAL &
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at http://www.fluoridealert.org/hileman.htm.

[4] J.A. Brunelle and J.P. Carlos, "Recent Trends in Dental Caries
in U.S. Children and the Effect of Water Fluoridation," JOURNAL OF
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[5] Centers for Disease Control, "Achievements in Public Health,
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[6] C.J. Spak and others, "Fluoride in Human Milk," ACTA PAEDIATRICA
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(December 1990). This NTP study is summarized in reference 10, pgs.
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From: David West <davidgordonwest@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: March 20, 2006 2:16:51 AM EST
To: BenStein99@aol.com
Subject: humble thoughts about the Oscars

Dear Mr Stein,

I received a copy of your article below through my e-mail.

I suppose I found it vaguely humourous.

I have no idea who you are, so I looked at your web site to find out.

With no further apologies, I will refer to your article below.

When you imply that the�'people we are fighting weren't interested in
any peace for us but the peace of the grave'� I assume you are not
referring to the 100,000 plus people who have been slaughtered in this
bloody war, over 70 percent of whom are women and children. You cannot
be referring to them because they are dead, and totally unable to
fight, or even have any feelings on the subject.

So therefore you must be referring to those poor people who are still
alive, to suffer the torment of being bombed in their own homes,
arrested because they are ugly, and tortured because they don't know
why they were arrested.

Then you go on to say 'the war to save freedom from Islamic
terrorists'. I would have thought that as a person who regularly
speaks to the American public, you might have done a little research
before publishing such statements. It is quite obvious that you believe
that the press and television in America present the truth, the whole
truth, and nothing but the truth. How naive you are!

You then go on to say 'Hollywood does not think of itself as part of
America,'

So this implies that you DO think you are a part of America. I'm afraid
I have to agree with you. It appears that, on the most part, the
American public is totally uninformed of the truth, mainly because of
the 'personalities' who appear daily in front of them on the
television, who themselves have no idea of the truth.

I don't intend to set out the truth here for you - you must do some of
your own thinking and research - but I will give you a clue. These
Islamic terrorists to whom you refer are extremely clever people,
because nine of the nineteen so called Islamic terrorists who were
purportedly involved in 9/11, have raised themselves from the dead.
That's almost 50 percent. So I would be very careful about encouraging
American soldiers to kill Islamists, because they are likely to be
extremely angry about having to raise themselves from the dead, and if
half of the dead, that's fifty thousand or so, were to raise themselves
from the dead, and a small proportion of that 50,000 were to appear in
the audience of one of your shows, what would you do? Are you well
versed in chatting to ghosts?

We know that Hollywood 'lives in dreamland', but it appears that they
are not the only ones!

As far as offering 'occasion to mock or criticize George Bush' is
concerned, I wouldn't worry too much about that. There are very few
occasions when this facility is not on offer.

Later in this masterpiece you write 'The idea that it is brave to
stand up for gays in Hollywood, to stand up against Joe McCarthy in
Hollywood (fifty years after his death), to say that rich white people
are bad, that oil companies are evil -- this is nonsense. '

I read to the end looking for the punch line following this wonderful
build-up, but unfortunately was unable to find one. What a pity - I'm
convinced that you missed a wonderful opportunity, but never mind, it
was kind of you to mention a little truth somewhere.

I liked the part about 'a fabulously great country where we treat
gays, blacks, and everyone else equal.' It's true. Now almost everyone
is treated in the same way as a gay black.

So, having started to mention the truth, you resort again to humour,
by saying 'The courageous writer in Hollywood will be the one who says
the oil companies do their best in a very hostile world to bring us
energy cheaplyand efficiently and with a minimum of corruption.'

Yeah, it takes real courage to ignore the cover-ups of FREE energy
avaiable, real courage to ignore the deaths of innocent Iraqi women and
children so that rich Americans can continue to run their gas-guzzling
automobiles while spending far less on fuel that any other citizen of
the planet, and an unbelievable amount of courage to believe that all
of this is done without corruption.

And as far as 'The producer who really has guts will be the one who
says that Wall Street, despite its flaws, has done the best job of
democratizing wealth ever in the history of mankind.' goes, then again
I have to agree. Anyone who has the guts to say that in public must
have an army of bodyguards surrounding him, to protect himself from the
millions who don't have two cents to rub together. I'll bet that in
your naiveity you even believe that the Federal Reserve is run by the
government.

You then follow with this amazing statement: 'They would be heroes if
they said that Moslem extremists are the worst threat to human decency
since Hitler and Stalin. '

Here I have to disagree. The worst threat to human decency is
definitely provided by the people in the public eye who themselves are
so misinformed, mind controlled, and/or brain dead that they purvey
this kind of nonsense to the public year in and year out.

A later sentence requires a small modification, which is the
replacement of the word Hollywood with your own name, to give the
following: 'Ben Stein is above all about self: self-congratulation,�
self-promotion, and above all, self-protection. This is human and
basic, but let's not kid ourselves. '

And your closing statement says it all:� 'God help us that we have
sunk so low as to confuse foolish and petty boasting with the real
courage that keeps
this nation and the many fools in it alive and flourishing on national
TV.'

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:03:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Why Larry Silverstein can�t get it up

Why Larry Silverstein can�t get it up
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_611.shtml

Can we say insurance fraud?
Commentary
Why Larry Silverstein can�t get it up
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Contributing Writer

Mar 21, 2006, 01:10

No, it�s not a job for Viagra, trust me. But some good fresh investors would help. Governor Pataki and Mayor Bloomberg have told Silverstein to get up the $2.3 billion Freedom Tower, at least make a start, by next month or �move out of the way.�
This means Silverstein, who holds the lease for the World Trade Center site, would have to turn over control of building the new tower and a second building to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the site�s owners. After all, it�s been more than four years and Larry hasn�t gotten it up. Que pasa?
On the other hand, he�s gotten up his new Tower 7, to replace the old one he had actually owned. But this T 7 is bigger and better than ever, 52 floors not 47. You know, sometimes you just have to be in the mood.
Larry actually ordered his original Tower 7 �pulled� seven hours after Towers 1and 2 came down. He claimed there was so much fire damage in this redundant, steel-framed 47-floor building that before it fell and caused any more pain, he would �pull it.� And so it was done.
The trouble is you don�t just �pull it.� It takes weeks to rig a building with charges and heavy explosives at all the vital structural points. Then, you can �pull it� and POW! It�ll come down in 10 seconds, just like the redundant steel-framed Towers 1 and 2, and at the speed of gravity, into a neat footprint of its free-fall.
Tower 7 also left molten steel and somewhat evaporated steel members, although the fire was nothing compared to Towers 1 and 2. Maybe it wasn�t fire that melted them, but high power explosives. Ya never know, as we say in New York.
Also Tower 7 happened to house the Secret Service�s largest field office, over 200 employees and as Michael Ruppert suggests some of the devices that guided the liners into the buildings. 7 also housed the IRS, the SEC (with thousands of Wall Street scam case files in it), the FBI, CIA, and Rudy Giuliani�s Control Center. They were evacuated for the most part.
Tower 7 did take with it oft-stymied Osama hunter John O�Neill, the ex-Terror Head who quit the FBI after 30 yeas in disgust. He was the same John O�Neil just appointed head of WTC security. Aren�t these amazing coincidences, one right after another, like cutter charges, boom boom boom boom boom, as the firemen described occurring in Towers 1 and 2, along with two huge explosions each, one from the basement, and one from the top of each tower?
But I digress. Lucky Larry and the Silverstein Group leased the WTC from the PA for $3.2 billion for 99 years, a sweetheart deal if ever. They also had the prescience to ramp the insurance to $3.55 billion just weeks before 9/11, including coverage for terror attacks. After the catastrophe, Silverstein�s lawyers had the bright idea to ask for $7.1 billion, saying the two hits (within minutes of each other) constituted two separate acts. What beauties.
In fact, Larry was joyful at the thought of rebuilding under these terms. That was his thing. And he would get the WTC up bigger and better than ever, with a $9 billion tab.
Trouble In Silverstein City
Where things start to come apart for Larry-boy is with those pesky insurance companies, who barely like to pay what they owe you, let alone what you�re padding. After two years of Larry�s Silverstein group haggling in court with multiple insurers, spending a million bucks on lawyers, the judge turned and said, sorry fellas, it was one hit, you get 3.5 billion, period. Now, get outa here!
Some $700 million got cut off the top for one of Larry�s lenders, GMAC, the retail leaseholder. Then there�s a $125 million rent tab coming up from the Port of Authority in July. And money was spent on cleaning things up plus infrastructure costs. Net net, he�s left with some $2.9 billion, maybe even less, who knows for sure. I mean, poor baby, he�s not hurting like all those people who lost their jobs or worse lost their lives, but he�s gotta get it up, $2.3 billion and the Freedom Tower. And people are saying he doesn�t have the jack.
Also, the Port of Authority would like a chunk of the insurance money. So Larry is scrambling to put things together. He sounds like an angst-ridden Woody Allen in a double-breasted suit, with a slicked-back parted haircut. Yet inside, the guy�s pure steel, like one of the Towers.
When he finally had a deal with the Port of Authority, he threw a set of new demands on the table that scuttled the bargaining. Larry assumed he had Pataki �over a barrel� because he holds the lease. But George, like his namesake, is an ambitious man with his eye on the White House. He doesn�t want to leave a mess behind in New York. Negotiations stopped. It�s get it up or get out.
The Dark Past of the World Trade Center
An equally dark history shadows the old World Trade Center. In a brilliant article �The Process of Creating a Ruin,� from Business Week, there�s an excerpt from Eric Darton�s book Divided We Stand. The excerpt is called, �What the Twin Trade Towers Stood For.� In it, Darton describes the difficulties of the World Trade Center after the first bombing in 1993, a story in and of itself. In fact, I�ve always been amazed that the immense blast happened at 12:18 local time in the Secret Service's section of the car park under New York's tallest. That aside, Darton says . . .
�From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. And in the thirty years since it was built, the social forces of which it remains so highly visible an artifact have definitively realigned.�
Darton goes on to say that the WTC in 1993 at 20 years old had really just begun cranking out enough income to meet the ongoing losses the Port of Authority incurred to run the PATH commuter line. WTC office space had topped out price-wise. A new generation of cyber-smart buildings, with bigger built-in electrical capacity, had quietly surpassed it.
Also, with the bombing came a $700 million hit for repairs. But the Port Authority, unlike a commercial landlord, did have a $2.6 billion annual budget and the right to generate cash through bonds, tolls, fares, and airport tariffs. The PA could afford to rebuild the WTC and do needed renovations. But then there�s another assault on the institution�s integrity. Darton points out that, in the 1990s, �Privatization emerged as one of the key political strategies of the early Pataki, Whitman, and Giuliani administrations as they faced widening budget gaps, shrinking federal assistance, and reduced local tax revenues.
�Imitating their corporate counterparts, they embraced the belief that governmental functions should be reduced to a series of inexorable bottom lines. This new standard became the basis for a sweeping reevaluation of public agencies. They would be judged not by their objective performance level or their contribution to the public good but according to whether their disassembled parts might profitably be sold, merged, or eliminated.
�Discussing the disposition of the Port Authority's bus terminal, Charles Gargano, Governor Pataki's appointee to the PA's vice chairmanship and the head of New York State's economic development agency, put the issue succinctly when he asked, 'Why not let private industry in to develop what is clearly an extremely valuable property?'"
So it�s the wolf howl of the free marketer, privatization. Where have I heard that before? Don�t analyze, criticize, amortize, socialize -- just privatize! It�s like the privatization model Darton describes as designed for the District of Columbia, referring to residents and visitors as �customers,� and government duties split into �wholesale� and �retail� categories.
It�s like that senior editor writing in the 1998 Wall Street Journal who urged the Republican Party to �view itself very much like, let�s say, a corporation, A Daimler-Benz, A Chrysler . . . to change its corporate culture [and] go through a wrenching transformation, because the cars are coming back from the lot unsold.�
In short, the World Trade Center was now a piece of meat on the free market selling block.
And the Port of Authority stopped being a public institution designed to meet the New York region�s socio-economic needs. The PA turns into an amalgam of assets to be cut up according to market�s appetites. �Capturing� the maximum value of each piece is based simply on �dismembering the whole.� Badaboom! I can hear them now.
WTC Needed Repair in 2001
Larry Silverstein and friends knew all this. Especially that the Towers needed some $200 million in renovations and improvements, mostly related to removal and/or replacement of building materials declared health hazards since the Towers were built. WTC was labeled an �asbestos bombshell.�
In fact, the Port Authority thought of WTC as a dinosaur, trying several times to get permits to demolish the buildings for liability reasons. The PA was turned down. The asbestos problem was no secret. The sole reason the complex was still up till 9/11 was the cost of taking the Twin Towers down floor by floor. Especially since the PA was prohibited by law from demolishing the buildings. Got that? Demolishing prohibited by law but doable by an act of god or godlessness.
Other developers had gone broke by the mandated renovations. Two hundred million dollars were an entire year�s revenue from the Trade Towers. So the 9/11 collapse of the Twin Towers was the final solution, so to speak.
The November 22, 2003, New York Times reported that under a pending agreement a developer and his investors will get back most of the down payment that they made to lease the World Trade Center just six weeks before a terrorist attack destroyed the twin towers. Developer Larry Silverstein and investors Lloyd Goldman and Joseph Cayre are nearing a deal that would give them about $98 million of their original investment of $125 million. That's a helluva refund.
September 11 reduced renovation to Ground Zero. So now Silverstein could rebuild funded by insurance coverage that miraculously covered acts of terrorism. Filing two claims was the capper.
But, as the CIA would say, there was a little blowback. Larry only got back the one-hit payola, with a lot of expenses, though still considerable profit, but obviously leaving a shortfall for the $2.3 billion tower, not to mention the $9 billion complex. But hey, that�s privatization for you, the old unseen hand scraping the skin off somebody�s back for a buck, in this case Larry�s. It�s no wonder he can�t get it up. He�s got a lot on his mind, not to mention 2,700 lost souls.
Jerry Mazza is a freelance writing and native New Yorker. Reach him at gvmaz@verizon.net.

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Please correct me if I am wrong here, but I think that this guy is of on just a couple of things here. 1 is Silverstein DID get the 7 billion dollars, 2 is that U.S. and New York TAXPAYERS paid the clean up bill for ground zero AND the pentagon.
Again, PLEASE correct me if I am incorrect in this assertion.

Kevin

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why Larry Silverstein can�t get it up
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_611.shtml

Can we say insurance fraud?
Commentary
Why Larry Silverstein can�t get it up
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Contributing Writer

Mar 21, 2006, 01:10

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I love ya Greg! GOD BLESS YOU!

Kevin

greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry I have to disagree with my brother Kevin. He cannot make a statement with absolute assurance when there is evidence to the contrary. There is enough evidence to say the alleged commercial aircraft i.e. 175 and 11 did not hit the WTC, as for what hit the towers is ongoing and what researcher Ewing2001 calls "backend research." Brett if you think you can make the case that 'no planes' is 'dis-info' you are invited to test your debating skills against the researchers at Yahoo Group "planehuggers" Good Luck! Please see articles of recent note:

http://www.reopen911.org/bluescreen.htm

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=we_have_holes

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911chron_timeline_nico.html

Greg Nixon

Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is absolutely NO DOUBT that planes hit the wtc. We do NOT dissemenate hologram hogwash on this group. it is questionable what hit the pentagon but I personally dont dwell on that aspect too much. What IS known is that the man that the fbi said flew te plane into the pentagon could NOT have done so at all. He could not even drive a car. His name was Hani Hanjour. They named another man before him whose name escapes me at the moment who came forward and said HEY! I am ALIVE! You have named the wrong man! So they saw fit to pull Mr. Hanjour's name out of the very same hat as the other fellah.

Kevin
P.S. Welcome to the group. And please check out www.911research.com www.wtc7.net www.infowars.com www.globalresearch.ca and www.onlinejournal.com If you happen to live in San Francisco, Watch my weekly tv show on cable channel 29 every sat. night at midnite.

Ben Kramer <benkramer1@yahoo.com> wrote:

Greetings Everyone,

I have been a member here for less than two weeks, and I see that
the "NO PLANE" theory has been often discussed. Its something that I
heard and thought that it might be possible in the past but not now
with one bit of evidence.
If one carefully watches the video of the second plane that
crashed into the WTC, you can see that one of the engines goes right
thru the building and out on the other side of the building towards
the street.

I have seen pics of this engine on the Jeff Rense website where
it had landed out on the street a couple of blocks from the WTC. An
airplane mechanic has examined the picture and stated that he knows
for sure that it didnt come from a commercial airliner.

Based on this information I believe that its impossible that
there was no plane that hit the WTC and I thinks its very possible
that this theory is merely misinformation by certain entities that
would like to derail the truth movement.
Maybe Ben Chertoff planted this story outside of PM magazine ?
Michael Chertoff's cousin. Anyway I welcome any and all comments on
this issue.

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Subject: Re: Why Larry Silverstein can�t get it up

the 7 billion yup, i remember seeing the headlines.

it sounds reasonable to say that the taxpayers footed the bill of clean up.

Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Please correct me if I am wrong here, but I think that this guy is of on just a couple of things here. 1 is Silverstein DID get the 7 billion dollars, 2 is that U.S. and New York TAXPAYERS paid the clean up bill for ground zero AND the pentagon.
Again, PLEASE correct me if I am incorrect in this assertion.

Kevin

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:18:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Check this picture out

this is most strange, personnally i think its a bad picture, but what would they be trying to project here.

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:20:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why Larry Silverstein can�t get it up

Thanks Bro. Since i have you online. Do you know what happened to the gz flyers? The ones with the 14 I think questions?.

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote: the 7 billion yup, i remember seeing the headlines.

it sounds reasonable to say that the taxpayers footed the bill of clean up.

Mar 21, 2006, 01:10

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:20:31 EST
From: Moondancermom@aol.com
Subject: Huge Reaction To Sheen 9/11 Story

_http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/210306hugereaction.htm_
(http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/210306hugereaction.htm)

Huge Reaction To Sheen 9/11 Story
Linked on Drudge, later removed
_Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | March 21 2006_
(http://prisonplanet.com/index.html)
Yesterday's _Charlie Sheen story_
(http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm) , in which the actor went public with his grave
suspicions about the official story of 9/11, received widespread interest
across the Internet and was even linked on the Drudge Report for a time, a news
website that gets more traffic than the New York Times.
Our observations will now center around the question of if any mainstream
outlets will pick up the story or seek to interview Mr. Sheen regarding his
comments. The story is obviously big enough to be of interest to a wide
readership but its context may cause establishment controlled media to shy away in
journalistic cowardice.
Leading alternative website _Rense.com_ (http://rense.com/) graciously
carried the story as did many others but who will be the first aside from Drudge
to give the issue mainstream spotlight?
The story appeared on Drudge shortly after 6pm CST and our servers began
receiving hits from millions of readers. A link from Drudge regularly overloads
even medium sized mainstream websites and they go offline for hours. Despite
a little slowdown, we managed to ride the wave fairly comfortably until
Drudge mysteriously killed the link after 10pm CST.
We had even replaced our usual format page with a bare bones
printer-friendly style version to ensure maximum speed and delivery of the page, so it is
unlikely Drudge (pictured below) removed the link because of bottlenecked
traffic. We speculated that another webmaster had posted the link and Drudge
personally removed it upon seeing it.

Whatever the reason for the removal, the story still received huge traction
and we expect it to again garner interest across the Internet today.
In many ways a Hollywood celebrity stepping forward and making these
comments receives more attention than a former government official or physics
professor because the information is wrapped in a package that is instantly
recognizable to a wide audience.
The danger is that some are dangerously ill-informed, such as Madonna, who
_dismissed 9/11 as "ambiguous"_
(http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/221105celebritybandwagon.htm) yet focused all the attention on Hurricane
Katrina and kept the argument firmly within a left-right paradigm prison.
Charlie Sheen on the other hand took the time to educate himself thoroughly
on the real issues of 9/11 before going public with his doubts about the
official story.
There are several very high profile actors and film producers who are well
aware of the entire New World Order agenda and have directed their artistic
talents into exposing that agenda through the guidance of popular culture.
This is a real movement and it is growing, unlike the Madonna's and their
ilk, who are simply riding a wave which will wash away as rapidly as their mock
ego-driven political opinions when a Democrat gets back in the White House.
Our hope is that Sheen's stance, which is by no means a rarity for him or
his family who have been politically engaged for decades, will encourage other
high profile celebrities to use their platform to educate America and the
world on the serious issues that face us and the real perpetrators of global
terrorism.

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:25:29 +0100
From: Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

On Tuesday 21 March 2006 05:48, Ben Kramer wrote:
> Greetings Everyone,
>
>
> I have been a member here for less than two weeks, and I see that
> the "NO PLANE" theory has been often discussed. Its something that I
> heard and thought that it might be possible in the past but not now
> with one bit of evidence.
> If one carefully watches the video of the second plane that
> crashed into the WTC, you can see that one of the engines goes right
> thru the building and out on the other side of the building towards
> the street.
>
> I have seen pics of this engine on the Jeff Rense website where
> it had landed out on the street a couple of blocks from the WTC. An
> airplane mechanic has examined the picture and stated that he knows
> for sure that it didnt come from a commercial airliner.
>
> Based on this information I believe that its impossible that
> there was no plane that hit the WTC and I thinks its very possible
> that this theory is merely misinformation by certain entities that
> would like to derail the truth movement.
> Maybe Ben Chertoff planted this story outside of PM magazine ?
> Michael Chertoff's cousin. Anyway I welcome any and all comments on
> this issue.
>
> Brett K

I agree Brett...

This looks more and more like deliberate disinformation.

I discussed this with webfairy (Rosalee Garble) some weeks ago. When I was
pointing reasonable evidence to the plane and spoke about video compression
artifacts to explain why the plane looks on one video, she responded with
insults...

I've also noticed that she posts huge amount of message containing this BS
and has websites and the like. An obvious should be: where does she find
the time to do all this ? What is her source of income ? This also
applies for Nico Haupt.

I've also noticed that these people have almost no scientific knowledge but
pretend to better know than the rest of the world.

I have the feeling also that this is done intentionally to deceive us and to
ridicule the people who point that no plane crashed at the pentagon.

This is a little bit like attempting to brainwash people into believing that
Kennedy was never shot in the head, but was a special effect created by
extra-terrestrial beings. Completely ridiculous, but a perfect tool
manipulated by some medias to discredit honest research on the topic.

--
Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:26:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: [Conspiracy Archive] Update: Mar. 21st, 2006

Terry <tm@conspiracyarchive.com> wrote: From: "Terry" <tm@conspiracyarchive.com>
To: "" <updates@conspiracyarchive.com>
Subject: [Conspiracy Archive] Update: Mar. 21st, 2006
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:10:58 -0400

Conspiracy Archive Update: Mar. 21st, 2006

CONTENTS
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1. Document(s) Added
2. News Updates
3. Little Known Gems
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Lt. Colonel Marvin, TrineDay Legal Defense Fund (Please Help!)
http://expendableelite.com/lawsuit1/

1. DOCUMENT(s) ADDED

THE ROLE OF THE SOCIAL SCIENCES IN THE MECHANIZATION OF MANKIND
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Maschinenmenschen.htm
Skinner presented his psychologically engineered Utopia as a roman a' clef entitled Walden Two. Characterizing Walden Two as an innocuous fiction, Skinner stated: "The 'behavioral engineering' I had so frequently mentioned in the book was, at the time, little more than science fiction" (vi). Yet, "behavioral conditioning" was much more than science fiction to dark forces with dark intentions.

2. NEWS UPDATES

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/News/
[Note: the following is a text version of the headlines. There may be embedded links and/or photos that accompany the stories at the above URL]

ALEX JONES INTERVIEWS CHARLIE SHEEN
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/200306sheen.htm
Alex welcomes actor Charlie Sheen, star of Platoon, Wall Street, Young Guns, and most recently the CBS comedy Two & a Half Men, to discuss his views on the world, 9/11 and much more.

ACTOR CHARLIE SHEEN QUESTIONS OFFICIAL 9/11 STORY
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm
Calls for truly independent investigation, joins growing ranks of prominent credible whistleblowers.

DIGGING UP THE SKULL AND BONES CONNECTION
http://tinyurl.com/hpbgv
IF PRIME Minister John Howard ever wants anything from the new United States ambassador, Robert McCallum, here's a suggestion: don't mention General Russell. [...] Both George Bush and Robert McCallum are members of Skull and Bones, the Yale society with a fixation on the symbols of death. The society is said to have the skull of the Apache chief Geronimo, dug up by Mr Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush, in a glass case.

CONTRACTORS HIRED TO SUBVERT BILL OF RIGHTS
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=295
CIFA Director David A. Burtt II said in a recent interview that 70 percent of his agency�s work is handled by contractors,� thus taking a large portion of CIFA intelligence activity off the books. Pincus insists on slanting his story toward the �brain drain� aspect of the move toward contractors. However, the privatization of �intelligence gathering� and the complete lack of accountability should be of more concern.

THIS ID PROJECT IS EVEN MORE SINISTER THAN WE FIRST THOUGHT
http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/lead-story443.htm
The insidious erosion of our civil liberties will accelerate dramatically if the government wins the battle over identity cards.

TAGGERS
http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/lead-story445.htm
Mikey Sklar is twenty-eight. He is five feet six, with an oval face, a high forehead, dark eyes, and brown hair in dreadlocks that fall to the middle of his back. His appearance is post-modern. He has no tattoos, for example, or any desire to have any parts of his body pierced. He does have a radiofrequency identification chip implanted in him, though, and he is enthusiastic about having other electronic devices implanted in him, too.

GOVT TO SIGN MOU FOR MAITREYA PROJECT
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1455262,prtpage-1.cms
The installation of the statue and its associated infrastructure will require approximately 75 acres of land, while a further 175 acres will be required [...] a 150 feet bronze statue of the future Buddha Maitreya will be constructed. The centrepiece of a beautiful landscape park, the statue of Maitreya Buddha, will last about 1,000 years

DERANGED, DISCONNECTED, AND DANGEROUS
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts157.html
The day before Bush's delusional Cleveland speech, Iyad Allawi, the former prime minister of one of our make-believe Iraqi governments, said that in Iraq the casualty rate from the sectarian strife is so high that "if this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is."

A POST-NOVEMBER 5TH WORLD
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2006/03/post-november-5th-world.html
[...] the backstory of medical experimentation to which V had been subject is extended to a black ops bio-weapons attack on schools and public transit, leading to the deaths of 100,000 people. Foreign patsies are framed and executed, and the government rewarded with limitless authority in exchange for the promise of security.

MUSHROOM CLOUDS: COMING TO A TOWN NEAR YOU?
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=7018
Thirty four years and millions of dollars later, CIA documents reveal the amazing success and dismal failures of STAR GATE, the formerly top secret intelligence agency programs used to "remote view" information that couldn't be accessed by any normal means of collection.

HOW THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY PLAYED DIRTY TRICKS WITH OUR CULTURE
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/031800-02.htm
Much of what Ms. Stonor Saunders writes about, including the C.I.A.'s covert sponsorship of the Paris-based Congress for Cultural Freedom and the British opinion magazine Encounter, was exposed in the late 1960's, generating a wave of indignation. But by combing through archives and unpublished manuscripts and interviewing several of the principal actors, Ms. Stonor Saunders has uncovered many new details and gives the most comprehensive account yet of the agency's activities between 1947 and 1967.

THE INFESTATION IN WASHINGTON
http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna36.htm
There is a noxious parasite like affliction affecting many in the nation�s capital and has been for some time. It appears to affect a person�s integrity and it can easily lead to corruption and its legality is questionable. Lobbyism is the name of this foul infestation. The lobbyist uses bribery to appeal to the greed, pride and ego of the elected. Many elected officials (former attorneys) morph into this parasite following their congressional term. Most of them are especially skilled in mendacity. This new career further enhances their already sizeable pensions. The taxpayer foots the pension, the health plan and gets deprived of any real influence with their elected official.

3. LITTLE KNOWN GEMS

Royal Descents of famous people
http://humphrysfamilytree.com/famous.descents.html

Presidential hopefuls share blueblood lines
http://www.s-t.com/daily/10-96/10-28-96/a05wn028.htm

The Oil Monarchs: George W. Bush and his Royal Kin
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=553

Directory of Royal Genealogical Data
http://www3.dcs.hull.ac.uk/genealogy/royal/

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:31:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

Brett and Patrick, I am completely with the both of you on this. Thanks for your posts and once again welcome to the group and thanks for joining

Kevin

Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 05:48, Ben Kramer wrote:
> Greetings Everyone,
>
>
> I have been a member here for less than two weeks, and I see that
> the "NO PLANE" theory has been often discussed. Its something that I
> heard and thought that it might be possible in the past but not now
> with one bit of evidence.
> If one carefully watches the video of the second plane that
> crashed into the WTC, you can see that one of the engines goes right
> thru the building and out on the other side of the building towards
> the street.
>
> I have seen pics of this engine on the Jeff Rense website where
> it had landed out on the street a couple of blocks from the WTC. An
> airplane mechanic has examined the picture and stated that he knows
> for sure that it didnt come from a commercial airliner.
>
> Based on this information I believe that its impossible that
> there was no plane that hit the WTC and I thinks its very possible
> that this theory is merely misinformation by certain entities that
> would like to derail the truth movement.
> Maybe Ben Chertoff planted this story outside of PM magazine ?
> Michael Chertoff's cousin. Anyway I welcome any and all comments on
> this issue.
>
> Brett K

I agree Brett...

This looks more and more like deliberate disinformation.

I've also noticed that these people have almost no scientific knowledge but
pretend to better know than the rest of the world.

I have the feeling also that this is done intentionally to deceive us and to
ridicule the people who point that no plane crashed at the pentagon.

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:40:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

THEE MOST suspicious thing regarding the pentagon was that the FBI showed up 5 minutes or so after the plane/no plane crashed (what ever you believe) to confiscate the citgo surveillance tapes and at a hotel after what had happened at the pentagon with their guns drawn? what do they have to hide? incompetent MY ASS! national geographic article reference available upon request.

honestly it doesn't matter what hit the pentagon, or WTCs, its ALL suspicious, and the "officials" are blocking, lying, covering up, not speaking about what happened that day. And don't forget about the fact that british SAS commandos were dressed up like arabs shooting at basra police with about 500lbs of explosives in their car and standard issue SAS gear? (suicide car bombs anyone?) when the brits asked basra city officials to release the SAS thugs, they refused and the brits launched a prison break mission completmented with armor!

I agree Brett...

This looks more and more like deliberate disinformation.

I've also noticed that these people have almost no scientific knowledge but
pretend to better know than the rest of the world.

I have the feeling also that this is done intentionally to deceive us and to
ridicule the people who point that no plane crashed at the pentagon.

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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:41:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

Actually, I DO think that there ARE some people that have allowed themselves to buy this story and are not necessarily purposefully putting out disinfo. There are those that would also label the lihopers as disinfo too when some of them are, some of them actualy do believe what they do and are not disinfo agents. Personally I just no longer concern myself with these things and just put out the info that I believe. Demolitions, stand down, money trail, and the New World Order/Illuminati, And just work as hard as I can to educate others.

Kevin

I agree Brett...

This looks more and more like deliberate disinformation.

I've also noticed that these people have almost no scientific knowledge but
pretend to better know than the rest of the world.

I have the feeling also that this is done intentionally to deceive us and to
ridicule the people who point that no plane crashed at the pentagon.

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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:44:14 EST
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
Subject: Ohio - Lawyer arrested for speaking out

<A HREF="http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/111405Baumgartner.html">http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/111405Baumgartner.html</A> originally
posted November 14, 2005. Here is an outrageous case that is apparently
still pending after all this time. It is based on what two people - one of them a
lawyer - wrote on blogs about corruption in the state of Ohio concerning
judges and other public officials. A must read.... Please feel free to pass this
info around.

Google search on defendant Elsebeth Baumgartner reveals more information.

How many more cases do you know about where someone is maliciously prosecuted
for committing truth against public officials? Roberta Franklin's case in
Alabama comes to mind as one case some of you might know about.

Judges and other public officials are not gods. They are human beings and as
such they are not above the law, but some of them think they are. Abuse of
power must end. Stay aware.

Respectfully,
Sherry Swiney
Director, P.A.T.R.I.C.K.
<A HREF="http://www.patrickcrusade.org/">www.patrickcrusade.org</A>
Member of the Board, NJCDLP
<A HREF="http://www.njcdlp.org/">http://www.njcdlp.org/</A>
Patrick Swiney-innocent in prison
<A HREF="http://www.patrickswiney.com/">www.patrickswiney.com</A>
"The only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men (and women) to do
nothing" Edmund Burke (1729–1797), Irish philosopher, statesman

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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:46:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

AMEN BROTHER!

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote: THEE MOST suspicious thing regarding the pentagon was that the FBI showed up 5 minutes or so after the plane/no plane crashed (what ever you believe) to confiscate the citgo surveillance tapes and at a hotel after what had happened at the pentagon with their guns drawn? what do they have to hide? incompetent MY ASS! national geographic article reference available upon request.

honestly it doesn't matter what hit the pentagon, or WTCs, its ALL suspicious, and the "officials" are blocking, lying, covering up, not speaking about what happened that day. And don't forget about the fact that british SAS commandos were dressed up like arabs shooting at basra police with about 500lbs of explosives in their car and standard issue SAS gear? (suicide car bombs anyone?) when the brits asked basra city officials to release the SAS thugs, they refused and the brits launched a prison break mission completmented with armor!

I agree Brett...

This looks more and more like deliberate disinformation.

I've also noticed that these people have almost no scientific knowledge but
pretend to better know than the rest of the world.

I have the feeling also that this is done intentionally to deceive us and to
ridicule the people who point that no plane crashed at the pentagon.

--
Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:13:13 EST
From: Moondancermom@aol.com
Subject: Uranium bombing in Iraq contaminates Europe

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - Request Wide Distribution

Contact: Bob Nichols
San Francisco Bay View newspaper
_bob.bobnichols@gmail.com_ (mailto:bob.bobnichols@gmail.com)

Uranium bombing in Iraq contaminates Europe

by Bob Nichols Aldermaston Atomic Weapons Establishment
Nine days after the start of the American president's 2003 "shock and awe"
uranium bombing campaign in Baghdad, an invisible radioactive uranium oxide
gas cloud swept through Britain's towns and countryside and throughout Europe.
Respected scientists reported on the unrevealed gas cloud after conducting
research on specialized high volume air filters in England. Dr. Chris Busby
and Saoirse Morgan stunned Europe in a Sunday Times of London article on Feb.
19, 2006. Their scientific paper, released March 1st, 2006, [1] proved the
event. With all the vigor of delusional drunkards, British nuclear and military
spokesmen predictably denied the reality of an invisible radioactive cloud.
_http://www.sfbayview.com/031506/uraniumbombing031506.shtml_
(http://www.sfbayview.com/031506/uraniumbombing031506.shtml)
_http://tinyurl.com/lo6pc_ (http://tinyurl.com/lo6pc)

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:14:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Walch <caribbean10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

No offense to anyone. But unless you are posting something pertinent then can we just respond back to that person you are responding to because otherwise everyone gets a massive load of emails in their inbox and for someone like me who really wants to read what is posted I don't have time to go through 20 repsponses with 19 people agreeing with someone.

Again, I'm not trying to offend anyone or piss you off. I am highly intrigued with this group and want to see it grow and the information to keep coming. Just simply ask that we keep our responses to individuals if possible.

Walk in Peace and keep the truth coming!
Matt

Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
AMEN BROTHER!

I agree Brett...

This looks more and more like deliberate disinformation.

I've also noticed that these people have almost no scientific knowledge but
pretend to better know than the rest of the world.

I have the feeling also that this is done intentionally to deceive us and to
ridicule the people who point that no plane crashed at the pentagon.

--
Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>

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- Notebook, 1904
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:21:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists Run Amok (from NY Magazine)

The so-called answer coalition and ufpj are PERFECT examples of organizations being subverted and controlled.

Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:

v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} And I agree so heartily with Naveed.

I take articles from here and post them to many groups that until a few months ago were afraid to talk about �9/11 was an inside job�, now it is approaching breakfast table talk on those groups. Hopefully others are picking the articles up and sharing them too.

A dozen dozen people forwarding articles onto their 12-30 groups makes for a United front, but a Fabian United front, we have no single heart and brain to kill.

-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Naveed
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:47 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists Run Amok (from NY Magazine)

this is one of the reasons I REFUSE to form a united front, it can easily be subverted, bought off, and etc INDIVIDUAL forms of resistance does NOT have a counter to, because there are millions of us and thus millions of forms of resistance to the inbred satanist crazies....

Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
Nico did the hatchet job -- false opposition "representing us" when we are
not looking

----- Original Message -----
From: "angiesept11" <angiesept11@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:16 PM
Subject: [911TruthAction] 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists Run Amok (from NY
Magazine)

> Latest mainstream media 911 hatchet job
> can be read at the website of New York Magazine.
> http://www.nymetro.com/
> Look for the prominent link to
> "9/11 Conspiracy Theorists Run Amok"
>
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:33:53 +0100
From: Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

On Tuesday 21 March 2006 20:41, Kevin Hammond wrote:
> Actually, I DO think that there ARE some people that have allowed
> themselves to buy this story and are not necessarily purposefully putting
> out disinfo. There are those that would also label the lihopers as
> disinfo too when some of them are, some of them actualy do believe what
> they do and are not disinfo agents. Personally I just no longer concern
> myself with these things and just put out the info that I believe.
> Demolitions, stand down, money trail, and the New World
> Order/Illuminati, And just work as hard as I can to educate others.
>
> Kevin

I fully agree, but I more and more think that some do it voluntarily...

As an example, in Europe (I'm swiss in fact), there is now a new "official"
theory about Kennedy's assassination. They made a TV documentary that was
aired some months ago... You know what ? The Cubans assassinated
Kennedy !!

Do you know from where I originally knew Nico Haupt ? From a german TV
documentary about 9/11. BTW this report was excellent. But why do they
interrogate such people ?

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Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>

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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:45:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: [WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED] Kissinger sez it again...

harry mobley <iconoclast57@sbcglobal.net> wrote: To: "Reality_101@yahoogroups.com" <Reality_101@yahoogroups.com>
From: harry mobley <iconoclast57@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:39:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED] Kissinger sez it again...

Kissinger sez it again...
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2006/March/theworld_March572.xml&section=theworld

�To be sure, America�s global strategy benefits from Indian participation in
building a new world order."
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:03:33 -0800
From: "Dick Eastman" <de1949@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

Brother Greg,

I may have missed something. Please list and briefly describe findings that leave your mind open to the idea that no jetliners crashed at the WTC on September 11, 2001. I am not looking for proof or certainty -- but just something beyond the "finding" that "anything is possible."

For example, if I believed that no firemen died at the WTC, I would have to give reasons for saying that -- something beyond merely saying "no one interviewed ever said they saw a fireman die" or "no fireman corpses have ever been photographed" etc.

Yours in sweet sincerity,

Brother Richard
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From: greg nixon
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] No Plane Theory

Sorry I have to disagree with my brother Kevin. He cannot make a statement with absolute assurance when there is evidence to the contrary. There is enough evidence to say the alleged commercial aircraft i.e. 175 and 11 did not hit the WTC, as for what hit the towers is ongoing and what researcher Ewing2001 calls "backend research." Brett if you think you can make the case that 'no planes' is 'dis-info' you are invited to test your debating skills against the researchers at Yahoo Group "planehuggers" Good Luck! Please see articles of recent note:

http://www.reopen911.org/bluescreen.htm

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=we_have_holes

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911chron_timeline_nico.html

Greg Nixon

Kevin
P.S. Welcome to the group. And please check out www.911research.com www.wtc7.net www.infowars.com www.globalresearch.ca and www.onlinejournal.com If you happen to live in San Francisco, Watch my weekly tv show on cable channel 29 every sat. night at midnite.

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Greetings Everyone,

Brett K

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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:22:45 -0800 (PST)
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

The BTS does not list "flight 11" in the database. Radar analysis for "flight 175 and 11" does not show them at the scene of the crime at the correct time. In the Naudet 1st hit footage, there is nothing that is discernable as a jumbo jet. the original eyewitness testimony was of a small commuter craft for ("flight 11") The 2nd hit none of the witnesses have checked out, there were reports of NOT seeing a plane. The 2nd hit footage looks highly suspicious upon entry into the WTC. The exit of debris of the South tower looks like a white hot Uranium tipped missile head. IMO....The video analyis of the CNN footage seems to lead to being a CGI/faked. The different footage from other sources appears to contradict each other(in flight trajectory). The only real "proof" seems to be merely the government's word. The Amalgam Virgo 01 drill in June of 2001 which seems to be closely like 9/11 itself was a drill with cruise missile attacks. Perfect cover to carry out actual operation.

Dick Eastman <de1949@nwinfo.net> wrote: Brother Greg,

I may have missed something. Please list and briefly describe findings that leave your mind open to the idea that no jetliners crashed at the WTC on September 11, 2001. I am not looking for proof or certainty -- but just something beyond the "finding" that "anything is possible."

For example, if I believed that no firemen died at the WTC, I would have to give reasons for saying that -- something beyond merely saying "no one interviewed ever said they saw a fireman die" or "no fireman corpses have ever been photographed" etc.

Yours in sweet sincerity,

Brother Richard
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] No Plane Theory

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Greetings Everyone,

Brett K

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