Friday, February 17, 2006

[911InsideJobbers] Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

Yeah, then why is 911 Gatekeeper Sander Hicks one
of the 2 people listed as speaking at your march,
you being the other? Hicks is a 911 Gatekeeper!!
This is both hilarious and disgusting at the same time.

Angie
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http://www.Angieon911.com
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From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:46 pm
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] WING TV announced Greg Nixon as guest
(02/17) nxngrg

>>>>>She is a planehugger huh? I am not. I want the message to be f--k
the gatekeepers I hope that's what comes across.


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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: History Channel showing four S11 reruns on Sun 19 Feb

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: History Channel showing four S11 reruns on
> Sun 19 Feb
> Datum: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:00:22 -0000

Unfortunately i can't crack my DishTV yet, but i have friend,
who is able to burn from his system. Maybe i can ask him to tape and burn
some of these shows,too.

It's a shame, that we don't have a cool distribution system in this
'movement' yet, otherwise we could upload much more BitTorrents on
thepiratebay or somewhere else...


> Any chance that someone could tape these and share a copy? I would do it
> myself, but I currently don't have a T.V. nor cable service.
>
> If anyone can tape these shows, I am more than willingly to dish out
> some money to cover costs for tapes, postage etc.
>
> P.S. Aaahhh, The Siege, a MEMErex Production classic.
>
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> wrote:
> >
> > > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > > Von: Total Information totalinfo@...
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> > > Sun 19 Feb
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[911InsideJobbers] [Fwd: NYC March for 9/11 Truth Monday!]



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: NYC March for 9/11 Truth Monday!
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:30:17 -0500
From: President, USA Exile Govt. <prez@usa-exile.org>

Forwarded with Compliments of Government of the USA in Exile (GUSAE): Free Americans Resisting the Fourth Reich on Behalf of All Species. NOTE: Thanks to flyingsnail.com for this; I hope everyone within 100 miles of NYC will attend this critically important, deftly focused demo; by the way, many other groups can be added to the list of "establishment left gatekeepers" below and the one that comes most quickly to mind for me is so-called MoveOn: Move on over, MoveOn.org, or we'll move on over you. -- kl, pp

http://www.flyingsnail.com/

Presidents' Day "March for 9/11 Truth,"
NYC Ground Zero, 10 a.m. Monday, 2/20/06

Activists Plan 60s-Style Protest against "War Crimes" and "Media Cover-Up of 9/11" in downtown Manhattan.


New York City, NY (PRWEB) February 18, 2006 -- Vermonter Greg Nixon is a man on a mission to save America - from itself. He is one of a new breed of issue-oriented activists who were often not even involved in politics before 9/11. What mobilizes him is a prospect of indescribable horror: he sees plain proof that the WTC was destroyed on 9/11 in an undercover operation within America's own military-intelligence establishment.

From all angles, it's a topsy-turvy world view, that can bowl one over with vertigo at first. A mirror world with such contrarian coordinates as:

- the terrorists are Americans, not Arabs;

- ex-mayor Giuliani and George Bush are suspects, not heroes of 9/11;

- much as the Bush administration capitalized on 9/11 to advance its agenda, the 9/11 Truthers seize on it as the Achilles Heel of the "new militarism," with evidence of a controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and 7 as the smoking gun or fatal flaw in the official version;

- "left-leaning" media like The Nation, Pacifica's Democracy Now, and The New York Times, along with groups like ANSWER and the Democratic Party, are not seen as a real opposition; because they don't accept "9/11 Truth," they are just playing a part in the plans for World War IV on the oil fields of the Middle East.

Indeed, Greg Nixon would like the President's Day March to take aim especially at the "establishment left gatekeepers."

The plan for Monday's march is fairly ad hoc. After assembling at WTC Ground Zero, the protesters may march to Attorney General Elliot Spitzer's office with a letter demanding his resignation for failing to investigate 9/11. Last year, 9/11 activists in New York filed an extensive complaint with Spitzer, and hopes were high for a time that he might take up the case. Offices of the above-mentioned "left-wing gatekeepers" could be next.

Speakers expected are Greg Nixon and others, including:

Craig Hill, the Vermont Green Party senatorial candidate, who includes photographic evidence of the WTC demolition in his campaign platform. His website is

http://www.hillsenatenow.org

Sander Hicks, author of the 9/11 expose "The Big Wedding" and owner of the Vox Pop Democracy Cafe in Brooklyn,

http://www.voxpopnet.net   .

9/11 activist, historian and radio personality Webster Tarpley will speak at a Greg Nixon event on April 27th at the University of Vermont. Tarpley is devoting his energies to opposing the latest war drive on Iran. He says the plan is to attack Iran already by the end of March, which leaves much less time for mobilizing springtime demonstrations such as we saw before the attack on Iraq. (see

http://www.waronfreedom.org/activists/stop-amerigeddon.html)

He is the author of "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA".

During the run-up to the Iraq war, 9/11 activists tried but failed to convince the peace movement that exposing 9/11 was the only way to stop the juggernaut of war. They felt that rank-and-file pacifists were receptive, but the leadership marched to a different, establishment tune.

More details on the Presidents' Day march at

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/332307.shtml.

See also the feature article on the march at

http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php

"2/20 March for 9/11 Truth NYC: The Tipping Point? The world is at the most serious crossroads in modern history. The fraudulent 'War on Terror' threatens the very future of humanity."

For an interview with Greg Nixon, see

http://www.phillyimc.org/en/2006/02/19016.shtml.

Quote: "Bring your digital camera, too. Because something tells me that history is going to be made in New York City this upcoming Monday, in honor of President's Day. That's the day those actually informed about 9/11 will gather together in NYC to honor the birthday of the first GW. You know, the GW who was unable to tell a lie."




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[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1133

There are 2 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Their Own Economic Reality
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
2. NYC March for 9/11 Truth Monday!
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:38:12 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: Their Own Economic Reality

Forwarded with Compliments of Government of the USA in Exile (GUSAE):
Free Americans Proclaiming Total Emancipation and Working Towards
Democracy. NOTE: This is a splendid summary of what's going down
economically. -- kl, pp

Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:25:18 -0000 From: "Rowan Berkeley"
<rowan_berkeley@yahoo.co.uk> To: "Peter Myers" <myers@cyberone.com.au>

"Even Jobs
at McDonald's Aren't Safe":
Their Own Economic Reality

By Paul Craig Roberts, CounterPunch, February 16, 2006
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02162006.html

Who can forget the neocons' claim that under their leadership America
creates
its own reality? Remember the neocons' Iraq reality--a "cakewalk" war?
After
three years of combat, thousands of casualties, and cost estimated at
over $1
trillion, real reality must still compete with the White House spin
machine.

One might think that the Iraq experience would restore sober judgement
to
policymakers. Alas, neocon reality has spread everywhere. It has
infected the
media and the new Federal Reserve Chairman, Ben Bernanke, who just gave
Congress
an upbeat report on the economy. The robust economy, he declared, could
soon
lead to inflation and higher interest rates.

Consumers deeper in debt and fresh from their first negative savings
rate since
the Great Depression show high consumer confidence. It is as if the
entire
country is on an acid trip or a cocaine trip or whatever it is that
lets people
create realities for themselves that bear no relation to real reality.

How can the upbeat views be reconciled with the Bureau of Labor
Statistics'
payroll jobs data, the extraordinary red ink, and exploding trade
deficit?
Perhaps the answer is that every economic development, no matter how
detrimental, is spun as if it were good news. For example, the
worsening US
trade deficit is spun as evidence of the fast growth of the US economy:
the
economy is growing so fast it can't meet its needs and must rely on
imports.
Declining household income is spun as an inflation fighter that keeps
mortgage
interest rates low. Federal budget deficits are spun as letting
taxpayers keep
and spend more of their own money. Massive layoffs are spun as evidence
that
change is so rapid that the work force must constantly upgrade skills
and
re-educate itself.

The denial of economic reality has become an art form. Except for Lou
Dobbs, no
accurate economic reporting is available in the "mainstream media."

Occasionally, real information escapes the spin machine. The National
Association of Manufacturers, one of outsourcing's greatest boosters,
has just
released a report, "US Manufacturing Innovation at Risk," by economists
Joel
Popkin and Kathryn Kobe. The economists find that US industry's
investment in
research and development is not languishing after all. It just appears
to be
languishing, because it is rapidly being shifted overseas: "Funds
provided for
foreign-performed R&D have grown by almost 73 percent between 1999 and
2003,
with a 36 percent increase in the number of firms funding foreign R&D."

US industry is still investing in R&D after all; it is just not hiring
Americans
to do the R&D. US manufacturers still make things, only less and less
in America
with American labor. US manufacturers still hire engineers, only they
are
foreign ones, not American ones.

In other words, everything is fine for US manufacturers. It is just
their former
American work force that is in the doldrums. As these Americans happen
to be
customers for US manufacturers, US brand names will gradually lose
their US
market. US household median income has fallen for the past five years.
Consumer
demand has been kept alive by consumers' spending their savings and
home equity
and going deeper into debt. It is not possible for debt to forever rise
faster
than income.

When manufacturing moves abroad, engineering follows. R&D follows
engineering,
and innovation follows R&D. The entire economy drains away. This is why
the "new
economy" has not materialized to take the place of the lost "old
economy."

The latest technologies go into the newest plants, and those plants are
abroad.
Innovations take place in new plants as new processes are developed to
optimize
the efficiency of the new technologies. The skills required to operate
new
processes call forth investment in education and training. As US
manufacturing
and R&D move abroad, Indian and Chinese engineering enrollments rise,
and US
enrollments decline.

The process is a unified whole. It is not possible for a country to
lose parts
of the process and hold on to other parts. That is why the "new
economy" was a
hoax from the beginning. As Popkin and Kobe note, new technologies, new
manufacturing processes, and new designs take place where things are
made. The
notion that the US can lose everything else but hold on to innovation
is absurd.

Someone needs to tell Congress before they waste yet more borrowed
money. In an
adjoining column to the NAM report on innovation, the February 6
Manufacturing &
Technology News reports that "the US Senate is jumping on board the
competitiveness issue." The Bush regime and the doormat Congress have
come
together in the belief that the US can keep its edge in science and
technology
if the federal government spends $9 billion a year to "fund innovative,
big-payoff ideas that have the potential to transform the US economy."

The utter stupidity of the "Protecting America's Competitive Edge Act"
(PACE) is
obvious. The tremendous labor cost advantage of doing things abroad
will equally
apply to any new "big-payoff ideas" as it does to the goods and services
currently outsourced. Moreover, US research is open-sourced. It is
available to
anyone. As the Cox Commission Report made clear, there are a large
number of
Chinese front companies in the US for the sole purpose of collecting
technology.
PACE will simply be another US taxpayer subsidy to the rising Asian
economies.

The assertion that we hear every day that America is falling behind
because it
doesn't produce enough science, mathematics and engineering graduates
is a
bald-faced lie. The problem is always brought back to education
failures in
K-12, that is, to more education subsidies. When CEOs say they can't
find
American engineers, they mean they cannot find Americans who will work
for
Chinese or Indian wages. That is what the so-called "shortage" is all
about.

I receive a constant stream of emails from unemployed and underemployed
engineers with many years of experience and advanced degrees. Many have
been out
of work for years. They describe the movement of their jobs offshore or
their
replacement by foreigners brought in on work visas. Many no longer even
know
American engineers who are employed in the profession. Some are now
working in
sawmills, others in Home Depot, and others are attempting to eke out a
living as
consultants. Many describe lost homes, broken marriages, even
imprisonment for
inability to make child support payments.

Many ask me how economists can be so blind to reality. Here is my
answer: Many
economists are bought and paid for by outsourcers. Most of the studies
claiming
to prove that Americans benefit from outsourcing are done by economic
consulting
firms hired by outsourcers. Or they are done by think tanks or
university
professors dependent on corporate donors. Or they reflect the ideology
of "free
market economists" who are committed to the belief that "freedom" is
good and
always produces good results. Since outsourcing is merely the freedom of
property to act in its interest, and since this self-interest is always
guided
by an invisible hand to the greater welfare of everyone, outsourcing,
ipso
facto, is good for America. Anyone who doesn't think so is a fascist
who wants
to take away the rights of property. Seriously, this is what passes for
analysis
among "free market economists."

Economists' commitment to their "reality" is destroying the ladders of
upward
mobility that made America the land of opportunity. It is just as
destructive as
the neocons' commitment to their "reality" that is driving the US
deeper into
war in the Middle East.

Fact and analysis no longer play a role. The spun reality in which
Americans
live is insulated against intelligent perception.

American "manufacturers" are becoming merely marketers of foreign made
goods.
The CEOs and shareholders have too short a time horizon to understand
that once
foreigners control the manufacture-design-innovation process, they will
bypass
American brand names. US companies will simply cease to exist.

Norm Augustine, former CEO of Lockheed Martin, says that even
McDonald's jobs
are no longer safe. Why pay an error-prone order-taker the minimum wage
when
McDonald's can have the order transmitted via satellite to a central
location
and from there to the person preparing the order. McDonald's experiment
with
this system to date has cut its error rate by 50% and increased its
throughput
by 20 percent. Technology lets the orders be taken in India or China at
costs
below the minimum wage and without the liabilities of US employees.

Americans are giving up their civil liberties because they fear
terrorist
attacks. All of the terrorists in the world cannot do America the
damage it has
already suffered from offshore outsourcing.

--
Peter Myers, 381 Goodwood Rd, Childers 4660, Australia ph +61 7 41262296
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers Mirror:
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:28:21 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: NYC March for 9/11 Truth Monday!

Forwarded with Compliments of Government of the USA in Exile (GUSAE):
Free Americans Resisting the Fourth Reich on Behalf of All Species.
NOTE: Thanks to flyingsnail.com for this; I hope everyone within 100
miles of NYC will attend this critically important, deftly focused
demo; by the way, many other groups can be added to the list of
"establishment left gatekeepers" below and the one that comes most
quickly to mind for me is so-called MoveOn: Move on over, MoveOn.org,
or we'll move on over you. -- kl, pp

http://www.flyingsnail.com/

Presidents' Day "March for 9/11 Truth,"
NYC Ground Zero, 10 a.m. Monday,
2/20/06

Activists Plan 60s-Style Protest against "War Crimes" and
"Media Cover-Up of 9/11" in downtown Manhattan.

New York City, NY (PRWEB) February 18, 2006 -- Vermonter Greg Nixon is
a man on a mission to save America - from itself. He is one of a new
breed of issue-oriented activists who were often not even involved in
politics before 9/11. What mobilizes him is a prospect of indescribable
horror: he sees plain proof that the WTC was destroyed on 9/11 in an
undercover operation within America's own military-intelligence
establishment.

From all angles, it's a topsy-turvy world view, that can bowl one over
with vertigo at first. A mirror world with such contrarian coordinates
as:

- the terrorists are Americans, not Arabs;

- ex-mayor Giuliani and George Bush are suspects, not heroes of 9/11;

- much as the Bush administration capitalized on 9/11 to advance its
agenda, the 9/11 Truthers seize on it as the Achilles Heel of the "new
militarism," with evidence of a controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and
7 as the smoking gun or fatal flaw in the official version;

- "left-leaning" media like The Nation, Pacifica's Democracy Now, and
The New York Times, along with groups like ANSWER and the Democratic
Party, are not seen as a real opposition; because they don't accept
"9/11 Truth," they are just playing a part in the plans for World War
IV on the oil fields of the Middle East.

Indeed, Greg Nixon would like the President's Day March to take aim
especially at the "establishment left gatekeepers."

The plan for Monday's march is fairly ad hoc. After assembling at WTC
Ground Zero, the protesters may march to Attorney General Elliot
Spitzer's office with a letter demanding his resignation for failing to
investigate 9/11. Last year, 9/11 activists in New York filed an
extensive complaint with Spitzer, and hopes were high for a time that
he might take up the case. Offices of the above-mentioned "left-wing
gatekeepers" could be next.

Speakers expected are Greg Nixon and others, including:

Craig Hill, the Vermont Green Party senatorial candidate, who
includes photographic evidence of the WTC demolition in his campaign
platform. His website is

http://www.hillsenatenow.org.

Sander Hicks, author of the 9/11 expose "The Big Wedding" and owner of
the Vox Pop Democracy Cafe in Brooklyn,

http://www.voxpopnet.net.

9/11 activist, historian and radio personality Webster Tarpley will
speak at a Greg Nixon event on April 27th at the University of
Vermont. Tarpley is devoting his energies to opposing the latest war
drive on Iran. He says the plan is to attack Iran already by the end of
March, which leaves much less time for mobilizing springtime
demonstrations such as we saw before the attack on Iraq. (see

http://www.waronfreedom.org/activists/stop-amerigeddon.html)

He is the author of "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA".

During the run-up to the Iraq war, 9/11 activists tried but failed to
convince the peace movement that exposing 9/11 was the only way to stop
the juggernaut of war. They felt that rank-and-file pacifists were
receptive, but the leadership marched to a different, establishment
tune.

More details on the Presidents' Day march at

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/332307.shtml.

See also the feature article on the march at

http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php

"2/20 March for 9/11 Truth NYC: The Tipping Point? The world is at the
most serious crossroads in modern history. The fraudulent 'War on
Terror' threatens the very future of humanity."

For an interview with Greg Nixon, see

http://www.phillyimc.org/en/2006/02/19016.shtml.

Quote: "Bring your digital camera, too. Because something tells me
that history is going to be made in New York City this upcoming Monday,
in honor of President's Day. That's the day those actually informed
about 9/11 will gather together in NYC to honor the birthday of the
first GW. You know, the GW who was unable to tell a lie."

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[911InsideJobbers] Re: History Channel showing four S11 reruns on Sun 19 Feb

Any chance that someone could tape these and share a copy? I would do it myself, but I currently don't have a T.V. nor cable service.

If anyone can tape these shows, I am more than willingly to dish out some money to cover costs for tapes, postage etc.

P.S. Aaahhh, The Siege, a MEMErex Production classic.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...> wrote:
>
> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: Total Information totalinfo@...
> > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] History Channel showing four S11 reruns on
> > Sun 19 Feb
> > Datum: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:58:05 -0500
>
>
> Total,
> thanks for these reminders.
>
> I have the luck, that i've free cable at home now and will tape these 9/11
> shows. I'm especially interested in "Grounded on 9/11" :)
>
>
>
> > and @ 3:30 "The Siege" a 1998 propaganda movie laying the groundwork for
> > THE FEAR of the 21st century. Not historical at all, but hey who's
> > counting?
> >
> > and @ 6pm "The Day the Towers Fell"
> >
> > Someday the Hitler Channel may do more 9/11 fearmongering than Hitler
> > programming at this rate
> >
> > On 2/16/06, rcu@... rcu@... wrote:
> > >
> > > 8:30 a.m. EST
> > > The World Trade Center: Rise and Fall of an American Icon
> > > original air date 02-Sep-2002
> > >
> > > 12:30 p.m. EST
> > > Zero Hour: The Last Hour of Flight 11
> > > original air date 08-Apr-2005
> > >
> > > 1:30 p.m. EST
> > > Grounded on 9/11
> > > original air date 11-Sep-2005
> > >
> > > 2:30 p.m. EST
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] History Channel showing four S11 reruns on Sun 19 Feb

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Total Information <totalinfo@gmail.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] History Channel showing four S11 reruns on
> Sun 19 Feb
> Datum: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:58:05 -0500

Total,
thanks for these reminders.

I have the luck, that i've free cable at home now and will tape these 9/11
shows. I'm especially interested in "Grounded on 9/11" :)

> and @ 3:30 "The Siege" a 1998 propaganda movie laying the groundwork for
> THE FEAR of the 21st century. Not historical at all, but hey who's
> counting?
>
> and @ 6pm "The Day the Towers Fell"
>
> Someday the Hitler Channel may do more 9/11 fearmongering than Hitler
> programming at this rate
>
> On 2/16/06, rcu@duke.edu <rcu@duke.edu> wrote:
> >
> > 8:30 a.m. EST
> > The World Trade Center: Rise and Fall of an American Icon
> > original air date 02-Sep-2002
> >
> > 12:30 p.m. EST
> > Zero Hour: The Last Hour of Flight 11
> > original air date 08-Apr-2005
> >
> > 1:30 p.m. EST
> > Grounded on 9/11
> > original air date 11-Sep-2005
> >
> > 2:30 p.m. EST
> > The Man Who Predicted 9/11
> > original air date 11-Sep-2005
> >
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] WING TV announced Greg Nixon as guest (02/17)

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> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] WING TV announced Greg Nixon as guest
> (02/17)
> Datum: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:46:08 -0800 (PST)

My advice:
Stay focussed and be diplomatic.
Don't be tricked into any other specific focus.

The message against the (left)gatekeepers is the most important.
Both of you also agree on that 9/11 was an Inside Job including controlled
demolition.

If she asks you on the aircraft issue, what i don't believe anyway, be
straight on correct her on the wordings:

The towers did not collapse "because of the planes".
INSTEAD:
The towers did not collapse "because of the fire".

A usual trap is WTC 7. Instead of "it wasn't either hit by a plane",
the correction has to be:

From all video footage, flight- and radar research, we cannot conclude, that
any 'commercial' aircraft, especially "flight 11" and "flight 175" hit any
of the towers.

The analysis of the footage including its physical irregularities and
inconsistencies and discrepancies of content, has too many (un)answered
questions, that an ignored debate about bluescreen technology or its often
deliberate attempt, to confuse it with holography, is definetely not
acceptable for a researcher and should also not be for a (media)-activist.

Media deception should be an important topic for every kind of activist.

The german nazis worked with media deception as well. If this kind of
electronic deception should continue, lays in the responsibility and
intelligence of any human mankind.

However, just be yourself.

good luck today :)

> She is a planehugger huh? I am not. I want the message to be f--k the
> gatekeepers
> I hope that's what comes across.
>
> Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com> wrote:
> Then I will continue not thinking loud with fingers crossed while I
> fight ugly delusions of you joining her in frenzies of planehugging.
>
>
> greg nixon wrote:
> > I talked with Lisa for 20 minutes today. we get along great.
> >
> > */Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>/* wrote:
> >
> > Woohoo.
> > I'm gonna shut up and not even think loud til I know how they
> > treat him
> > Fingers crossed and all.
> >
> >
> > Nico Haupt wrote:
> > > f.y.i, confirmed:
> > >
> > > Today, on WING TV's radioshow at 08:00, WING TV announced to
> > present Greg
> > > Nixon tomorrow on Friday, 02/17 as interview guest in their
> show...
> > >
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DailyOM: Sound Of Stillness

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Sound Of Stillness
Noise As A Distraction

Our lives are typically filled with noise. There are the noises from the outside world that we cannot control, and there are the noises we allow into our lives. These noises, from seemingly innocuous sources like the television and radio, can actually help us avoid dealing with uncomfortable thoughts and emotions. However, using noise as a distraction hurts more than it helps because you are numbing yourself to what may be internally bubbling up to the surface for you to look at and heal. Distracting yourself with talk-radio, television, or other background noises can also prevent you from finding closure to issues that haunt you.

Noise as a distraction can affect us in many ways. It can help you stay numb to emotions that you don't want to feel, allow you to avoid dealing with problems, distract you from having to think, and make it easier for you to forget reality. Drowning out the thoughts and emotions you find uncomfortable or overwhelming can complicate your issues because it allows them to fester. By tuning out noise and relishing silence, you create the space to experience and express what you are hiding. It is only then that self-exploration can begin in earnest and you can stare down frightening issues. In silence, it becomes easier to let your strongest feelings come forth, deal with them, and find new ways of resolving your problems.

When you go within without the veil of noise to shield you from yourself, you'll be able to figure out what you need to heal. Embracing silence and introspection allows you to work through your thoughts and emotions and transmute them. Free of the need for noise, you can accept your pain, anger, and frustration as they come up and turn them into opportunities to evolve.

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Unclaimed Territory - by Glenn Greenwald: Do Bush followers have a political ideology?

Unclaimed Territory - by Glenn Greenwald: Do Bush followers have a political ideology?

Do Bush followers have a political ideology?
Alexandra von Maltzan at All Things Beautiful has written a long and somewhat personal post expressing her "disappointment" in my blogging and in my political views. Scott "Big Trunk" Johnson at Powerline, in a post entitled "One Beautiful Thing," has announced that he "greatly enjoyed" her "disquisitions" (meaning her post about my blogging and my political views).Reading Alexandra’s post, I learn that I have "sold out" due to my "blind loyalty to the liberal cause of sabotaging the Administartion (sic) with whatever means available at any given time." I’m "now simply dancing to the tune of the Daily Kos audience, and it is very disappointing to watch." Her primary argument in support of this theory is that I have "attempted to pulverize the talented John Hinderaker and Jonah Goldberg," that I hold "the brilliant Jeff Goldstein" to a "higher moral standard," and that I say unkind things about the "relentlessly talented and courageous Michelle Malkin." Seriously. That's because my "posts have become a barrage of personal attacks on conservative bloggers which were not present pre-love affair with Daily Kos, Atrios, Digby and Crooks and Liars ."I want to leave the personal issues to the side and examine a few of the substantive issues raised (unintentionally) by Alexandra’s post. It used to be the case that in order to be considered a "liberal" or someone "of the Left," one had to actually ascribe to liberal views on the important policy issues of the day – social spending, abortion, the death penalty, affirmative action, immigration, "judicial activism," hate speech laws, gay rights, utopian foreign policies, etc. etc. These days, to be a "liberal," such views are no longer necessary.Now, in order to be considered a "liberal," only one thing is required – a failure to pledge blind loyalty to George W. Bush. The minute one criticizes him is the minute that one becomes a "liberal," regardless of the ground on which the criticism is based. And the more one criticizes him, by definition, the more "liberal" one is. Whether one is a "liberal" -- or, for that matter, a "conservative" -- is now no longer a function of one’s actual political views, but is a function purely of one’s personal loyalty to George Bush.One can see this principle at work most illustratively in how Bush followers talk about Andrew Sullivan. In the couple of years after 9/11, Bush followers revered Sullivan, as he stood loyally behind Bush, providing the rhetorical justifications for almost every Bush action. And even prior to the Bush Administration, Sullivan was a fully accepted member of the conservative circle. Nobody questioned the bona fides of his conservative credentials because he ascribed to the conservative view on almost every significant political issue.Despite not having changed his views on very many, if any, of those issues, Sullivan is now frequently called a "liberal" (at best) when he is talked about by Bush followers. What has changed are not his political views or ideological orientation. Instead, he no longer instinctively and blindly praises George Bush, but periodically, even frequently, criticizes Bush. By definition, then, he is no longer a "conservative." As Sullivan put it:
OFF THE RESERVATION": Brent Bozell says I'm no "conservative." Label debates are silly. But I should say, for the record, that I favor the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, have been horrified by the incompetence of the occupation, but have been trying to make constructive arguments for how to win for quite a while now. Yes, I oppose the torture and abuse of military detainees. I'm a little stunned that this is now something that now requires one to be seen as a "liberal."I support almost all of Bush's tax cuts (I support the estate tax) but also believe in balanced budgets and spending restraint (heretic!); I oppose affirmative action; I oppose hate crime laws; I respect John Kerry's military service; I believe all abortion is morally wrong and that Roe vs Wade was dreadful constitutional law (but I do favor legal first trimester abortions); I support states' rights, especially in social policy, such as marriage; I oppose the expansion of the welfare state, as in the Medicare prescription drug plan; I supported John Roberts' nomination and Sam Alito's; I believe in a firm separation of religion and politics, but I certainly take faith seriously and wrestle with my own. As regular readers know, I'm no fan of the far left. At some point, I have endorsed every single Republican president in my adult life.All of that makes me a "liberal." Imagine what it now takes to be a "conservative" in Brent Bozell's eyes.What it takes to make someone a "conservative" in Bozell's eyes is the same as what is required in the eyes of all Bush followers -- a willingness to support Bush's actions because they are the actions of George Bush.We see the same thing happening to hard-core conservative Bob Barr due to his criticism of Bush's violations of FISA . Similarly, the minute a Senator with years of conservatism behind them deviates from a Bush decree on a single issue, they are no longer "conservative." George Voinovich became a "liberal" the minute he refused to support John Bolton’s nomination; John Sununu is now "liberal" because he did not favor immediate renewal of every single provision of the Patriot Act which Bush demanded, and Senators like Chuck Hagel and John McCain long ago gave up any "conservative" status because of their insistence on forming opinions that occasionally deviate from the decrees from the White House.People who self-identify as "conservatives" and have always been considered to be conservatives become liberal heathens the moment they dissent, even on the most non-ideological grounds, from a Bush decree. That’s because "conservatism" is now a term used to describe personal loyalty to the leader (just as "liberal" is used to describe disloyalty to that leader), and no longer refers to a set of beliefs about government.That "conservatism" has come to mean "loyalty to George Bush" is particularly ironic given how truly un-conservative the Administration is. It is not only the obvious (though significant) explosion of deficit spending under this Administration – and that explosion has occurred far beyond military or 9/11-related spending and extends into almost all arenas of domestic programs as well. Far beyond that is the fact that the core, defining attributes of political conservatism could not be any more foreign to the world view of the Bush follower.As much as any policy prescriptions, conservatism has always been based, more than anything else, on a fundamental distrust of the power of the federal government and a corresponding belief that that power ought to be as restrained as possible, particularly when it comes to its application by the Government to American citizens. It was that deeply rooted distrust that led to conservatives’ vigorous advocacy of states’ rights over centralized power in the federal government, accompanied by demands that the intrusion of the Federal Government in the lives of American citizens be minimized.Is there anything more antithetical to that ethos than the rabid, power-hungry appetites of Bush followers? There is not an iota of distrust of the Federal Government among them. Quite the contrary. Whereas distrust of the government was quite recently a hallmark of conservatism, expressing distrust of George Bush and the expansive governmental powers he is pursuing subjects one to accusations of being a leftist, subversive loon.Indeed, as many Bush followers themselves admit, the central belief of the Bush follower's "conservatism" is no longer one that ascribes to a limited federal government -- but is precisely that there ought to be no limits on the powers claimed by Bush precisely because we trust him, and we trust in him absolutely. He wants to protect us and do good. He is not our enemy but our protector. And there is no reason to entertain suspicions or distrust of him or his motives because he is Good.We need no oversight of the Federal Government’s eavesdropping powers because we trust Bush to eavesdrop in secret for the Good. We need no judicial review of Bush’s decrees regarding who is an "enemy combatant" and who can be detained indefinitely with no due process because we trust Bush to know who is bad and who deserves this. We need no restraints from Congress on Bush’s ability to exercise war powers, even against American citizens on U.S. soil, because we trust Bush to exercise these powers for our own good.The blind faith placed in the Federal Government, and particularly in our Commander-in-Chief, by the contemporary "conservative" is the very opposite of all that which conservatism has stood for for the last four decades. The anti-government ethos espoused by Barry Goldwater and even Ronald Reagan is wholly unrecognizable in Bush followers, who – at least thus far – have discovered no limits on the powers that ought to be vested in George Bush to enable him to do good on behalf of all of us.And in that regard, people like Michelle Malkin, John Hinderaker, Jonah Goldberg and Hugh Hewitt are not conservatives. They are authoritarian cultists. Their allegiance is not to any principles of government but to strong authority through a single leader.It is hard to describe just how extreme these individuals are. Michelle Malkin is the Heroine of the Right Blogosphere, and she believes in concentration camps. As an avid reader of Michelle’s blog, I really believe that she would be in favor of setting up camps for Muslim-Americans and/or Arab-Americans similar to the ones we had for Japanese-Americans which she praises. Has anyone ever asked her that? Could someone? I don’t mean that she would favor interning them indefinitely - just for the next few decades while the war on terrorism is resolved.And as excessive as the Bush Administration’s measures have been thus far -- they overtly advocate the right to use war powers against American citizens on American soil even if Congress bans such measures by law -- I am quite certain that people like John Hinderaker, Jonah Goldberg and Jeff Goldstein, to name just a few, are prepared to support far, far more extreme measures than the ones which have been revealed thus far. And while I would not say this for Jeff or perhaps of Jonah, I believe quite firmly that there are no limits – none – that Hinderaker (or Malkin or Hewitt) would have in enthusiastically supporting George Bush no matter how extreme were the measures which he pursued.We have heard for a long time that anger and other psychological and emotional factors drive the extreme elements on the Left, but that is (at least) equally true for the Bush extremists. The only difference happens to be that the Bush extremists control every major governmental institution in the country and the extremists on the Left control nothing other than the crusted agenda for the latest International A.N.S.W.E.R. meeting.And the core emotions driving the Bush extremists are not hard to see. It is a driving rage and hatred – for liberals, for Muslims, for anyone who opposes George Bush. The rage and desire to destroy is palpable. When John Hinderaker removes those tightly-wound glasses and lets go of the death grip he maintains on the respectable-corporate-lawyer facade, these are the sentiments which are always stirring underneath:
You dumb shit, he didn't get access using a fake name, he used his real name. You lefties' concern for White House security is really touching, but you know what, you stupid asshole, I think the Secret Service has it covered. Go crawl back into your hole, you stupid left-wing shithead. And don't bother us anymore. You have to have an IQ over 50 to correspond with us. You don't qualify, you stupid shit.The rhetoric of Bush followers is routinely comprised of these sorts of sentiments dressed up in political language – accusations that domestic political opponents are subversives and traitors, that they ought to be imprisoned and hung, that we ought to drop nuclear bombs on countries which have committed the crime of housing large Muslim populations. These are not political sentiments, and they’re certainly not conservatives sentiments, but instead, are psychological desires finding a venting ground in a political movement.It’s not an accident that Ann Coulter and her ongoing calls for violence against "liberals" (meaning anyone not in line behind George Bush) are so wildly popular among conservatives. It’s not some weird coincidence that the 5,000 people in attendance at the CPAC this last week erupted in "boisterous ovation" when she urged violence against "ragheads,’ nor is it an accident that her hateful, violence-inciting screeds -- accusing "liberals" of being not wrong, but "treasonous" -- become best-sellers. Ann Coulter has been advocating violence against liberals and other domestic political opponents for years, and she is a featured speaker at the most prestigious conservative events. Why would that be? It's because she is tapping into the primal, rather deranged rage which lies in the heart of many Bush followers. If that weren't driving the movement, she wouldn’t provoke the reactions and support that she does.The combination here of rage and fear is potent and toxic. One of the principal benefits of the blogosphere -- with its daily posting and unedited expressions of thought -- is that it reveals one’s genuine underlying views in a much more honest and unadorned fashion than other venues of expression. For that reason, the true sentiments of bloggers often stand revealed for all to see.And what I hear, first and foremost, from these Bush following corners is this, in quite a shrieking tone: "Oh, my God - there are all of these evil people trying to kill us, George Bush is doing what he can to save us, and these liberals don’t even care!!! They’re on their side and they deserve the same fate!!!" It doesn’t even sound like political argument; it sounds like a form of highly emotional mass theater masquerading as political debate. It really sounds like a personality cult. It is impervious to reasoned argument and the only attribute is loyalty to the leader. Whatever it is, it isn’t conservative.This is one of the principal reasons I found the story yesterday of the DoJ’s criminal pursuit of the NSA leakers (including the Times) so serious. Fervent Bush followers have long been demanding that these leakers and the journalists involved in this disclosure be imprisoned, or worse. These demands are made despite the lack of any harm to our national security. They are motivated by one fact and one fact only – whoever disclosed the illegal NSA program harmed George Bush. And for that crime, no punishment is excessive.If it now places one "on the Left" to oppose unrestrained power and invasiveness asserted by the Federal Government along with lawlessness on the part of our highest government officials, so be it. The rage-based reverence for The President as Commander-in-Chief -- and the creepy, blind faith vested in his goodness -- is not a movement I recognize as being political, conservative or even American.A movement which has as its shining lights a woman who advocates the death of her political opponents, another woman who is a proponent of concentration camps, a magazine which advocates the imprisonment of journalists who expose government actions of dubious legality, all topped off by a President who believes he has the power to secretly engage in activities which the American people, through their Congress, have made it a crime to engage in, is a movement motivated by lots of different things. Political ideology isn't one of them.UPDATE: For a glimpse of how actual conservatives quite recently used to think, one should read this article at FreeRepublic.com, which decries the dangerous loss of liberty and privacy as a result of the Clinton Administration's use of a "secret court" (something called the "FISA court") which actually enables the Federal Government to eavesdrop on American citizens! Worse -- much worse -- the judicial approval which the Government (used to) obtain for this eavesdropping is in secret, so we don't even know who is being eavesdropped on! How can we possibly trust the Government not to abuse this power if they can obtain warrants in secret?Conservatives used to consider things like this to be quite disturbing and bad -- and the eavesdropping then was at least with judicial oversight. Now, George Bush is in office, and all of the distrust we used to have of the Federal Government exercising these powers has evaporated, because we trust in George Bush to do what is best for us. He should not just have those powers, but many more, and he should exercise all of them in secret, too, with no "interference" from the courts or Congress.That is why I say that whatever else these Bush followers are, they are not conservative. (h/t Stand Strong and aarrgghh).

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[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1132

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Did the suspected hijackers have Jewish names?
From: "savefreedom2oo3" <savefreedom2oo3@yahoo.com>

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2. SV: Calling Jolly!
From: Peter Kofod <slashkofod@yahoo.dk>
3. Have any of you 'truthseekers' here LEARNED anything yet?
From: "zionistexposer7g" <zionistexposer7g@yahoo.com>
4. Re: SV: Calling Jolly!
From: "zionistexposer7g" <zionistexposer7g@yahoo.com>
5. Al Qaeda works for the New World Order
From: "savefreedom2oo3" <savefreedom2oo3@yahoo.com>
6. 9/11 update - 2/16
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
7. Fwd: Blueprint from a Killing Program
From: janet phelan <jcphelan10@yahoo.com>
8. Fwd: Blueprint from the Killing Program--second try
From: janet phelan <jcphelan10@yahoo.com>
9. Yeaaaa Wing Tv
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
10. Re: Yeaaaa Wing Tv
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
11. People are saying this is the MOST important book on the planet - Free!
From: "Percy" <percylltk@yahoo.com>
12. New rule to stop the disruptors?
From: alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com>
13. Republicans Block Investigation of Domestic Spying Prog.Con.Conyers+
From: ranger116@webtv.net
14. Re: New rule to stop the disruptors?
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
15. Texas Cops Release Cheney Shooting Report + THE QUESTION NO ONE ASKS ?
From: ranger116@webtv.net
16. Texas Cops Release Cheney Shooting Report + THE QUESTION NO ONE ASKS ?
From: ranger116@webtv.net
17. Re: Yeaaaa Wing Tv
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
18. Re: New rule to stop the disruptors?
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
19. RE: New rule to stop the disruptors?
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
20. RE: Have any of you 'truthseekers' here LEARNED anything yet?
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
21. Pres. Day NYC March press release
From: John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net>
22. Re: Pres. Day NYC March press release
From: Total Information <totalinfo@gmail.com>
23. GLOBAL WARMING '30 TIMES QUICKER THAN IT USED TO BE'
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
24. Re: New rule to stop the disruptors?
From: "hitech_01_47460" <hitech_01_47460@yahoo.com>
25. Re: Have any of you 'truthseekers' here LEARNED anything yet?
From: "hitech_01_47460" <hitech_01_47460@yahoo.com>

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:36:03 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Kofod <slashkofod@yahoo.dk>
Subject: SV: Calling Jolly!

I strongly second Greg here. The 20/2 march is in a few days, so no wonder why these idiots want to turn this into a stupid pissing contest. (and a "the arabs did it" vs a "the jews did it". )

Peter Kofod, Denmark

Greg Nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com> skrev:
Jolly,

I can spend all day taking out the garbage if it can come right back
in. I think we need to go to approved memberships for a few days.
Several disupters want to air their dispute ON LIST + need to BE OFF
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:45:26 -0000
From: "zionistexposer7g" <zionistexposer7g@yahoo.com>
Subject: Have any of you 'truthseekers' here LEARNED anything yet?

First and foremost, the moderators here could care LESS if you get
the TRUTH.

BIG RED FLAG! Why are they allowing the FRAUDS to post and have
banned several of my addy's now???

Next, Lies and LIARS have to prop each other up. Witness Perna
sucking up to Eric May as he sucked up to Stew Webb as he sucked up
to Barbara Hartwell.. ALL PROVEN COINTELPRO FRAUDS.

Or do you really BELEIVE in a million Chinese Robatoids, and the
Arabs done it philosophy this GAY FRIENDLY creep keeps tossing you?

Again this should be stone cold PROOF that ZIONISTS LIKE Perna
control this forum.

PernASS says 'we work for the same boss' yet it is he who is
parroting GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA, NOT I!

Note Perna posting about talking about the person rather than the
message.

Who's supplied PROOF HERE? Eric with his wild accusations that I'm
the same as Tim White. Perna? Nada! Nothing!

PROVE IT TO YOURSELVES! Email me at: hitech2@bluemarble.net
bluemarble.net and phone me.

Then Phone Tim in Colorado! Both of us are VERY open to proving
these fakers as the FRAUDS they are.

So if you have doubts, PROVE THEM YOURSELVES!

Mygroups have been online since 2000 at: LLNews, Worldcom and more.

Are you REALLY TRUTH seekers here?

Here's MY IP info with Tim White's below. This info can NOT
be 'faked.' Eric May and Perna are LIARS here!

Yet typical of sites claiming truth but tolerating DISINFORMATION,
Nixon allows the LIARS to remain and prefers CENSORSHIP eh?

Go Figure! Why DON't you want the truth Nixon?? And hey SCUMBAG,
since you're inferring I'm trash, what does that make YOU?

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:47:15 -0000
From: "zionistexposer7g" <zionistexposer7g@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SV: Calling Jolly!

Peter, I never said 'JEWS' That's YOUR disinfo. ZIONISTS. CIA and
MOssad

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> I strongly second Greg here. The 20/2 march is in a few days, so no
wonder why these idiots want to turn this into a stupid pissing
contest. (and a "the arabs did it" vs a "the jews did it". )
>
> Peter Kofod, Denmark
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> Jolly,
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:04:47 -0000
From: "savefreedom2oo3" <savefreedom2oo3@yahoo.com>
Subject: Al Qaeda works for the New World Order

Why even worry about which arm of the New World Order is
responsible?
The United Nations?
The CIA? Al Qaeda? George W? The "industrial-military complex"?
These instruments are tentacles of the same monster
all controlled by the New World Order
The CIA works for the New World Order.
The modern FBI is controlled by the New World Order.
Al Qaeda works for the New World Order.
George works for the New World Order.
The "industrial-military complex" IS the New World Order.
Who cares which one we have here, or there?
These are all tentacles of the same monster.

THEY ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER.
Creating terrorism provides the EXCUSE FOR TYRANNY.
The sequence of steps that have been taken,
in this country,
is the most common pathway to dictatorship.

THE SHEEPLE ASK:
"You would rather we let our guard down and suffer terrorist attacks
on our
own soil?"

Government officials making searches without warrants, demanding
identification without probable cause, to believe that a crime has
been committed IS a terrorist attack on our own soil.

For Hitler, the national emergency was the burning of the Reichstag
Building. Then he set up the Gestapo.

We have 9-11 and "HomeLand Security". It even sounds
like "Fatherland"

Totalitarians gain power through techniques that have been developed
over the entire history of mankind. Most of these techniques have
been written down in "training manuals" for would be dictators.
Examples are:

"And Not a Shot is Fired" by Jan Kozak,

"The Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx,

Communist Manifesto - $3.00

http://aobs-store.com/books/title/c_title.htm

and "The Prince" by Nicolo Machiavelli.

These techniques have also been revealed by "defectors" such as Eric
Blair, who wrote "1984", under the pen name of George Orwell.

Nineteen Eighty Four (1984) by Orwell - $5.95

http://aobs-store.com/books/title/n_title.htm

The book called "Tragedy and Hope" was written by Dr. Carroll
Quigley. Carroll Quigley claimed that he was not a "defector" but
that he wrote ""Tragedy and Hope"" to PROMOTE what he called
the "network". Dr. Quigley is an authority on the world's secret
power structure because HE IS ONE OF THE INSIDERS. He boasts that he
has been a part of this network for most of his life. He writes
approvingly of their power, and influence. To assure his readers of
his own qualifications for the writing of this book, Dr. Quigley
states:

"I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it
for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early
1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion
to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been
close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in
the past and recently, to a few of its policies. . . but in general
my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown,
and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be
known."

Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time - $39.95

Liberal university college professor Carroll Quigley praises the
efforts of "an international Anglophile network" whose goal is to
rule the world. He boasts of having been permitted "to examine its
papers and secret records," and confirms the existence of an over-
arching conspiracy, and details the origin and eventual power of the
CFR and allied groups. (1997 ed, 1348pp, hb)

http://www.aobs-store.com/books/title/t_title.htm

How to become a dictator

The creation of "emergencies" is a part of the totalitarian agenda.
The creation of "emergencies" gives the government an excuse
to "crack down". Then the creation of tyranny becomes justifiable
and inevitable.

When "emergencies" erupt the population accepts totalitarian
measures as "the

only alternative to the chaos". The action is in the REACTION.

This tactic is called "pressure from above and pressure from below".

The Communist book, called "And Not a Shot is Fired" by Jan Kozak ,
explains this entire strategy. Jan Kozak, who was then a member of
the Czechoslovak Communist Party Central Committee, explains how a
free government was actually transformed into a totalitarian
dictatorship - legally. "And Not a Shot Is Fired" originated as an
internal Czechoslovak Communist Party strategy paper.

"And Not a Shot is Fired" is a "'how-to' manual for takeover of a
free and elected system of government, through legal means. Kozak's
discussion is not theory about what "might" be possible to
accomplish the seizure of power. It is a history of a technique that
was actually proven, by its implementation.

And Not a Shot Is Fired by Kozak - $6.95

Jan Kozak explains

http://aobs-store.com/books/title/a_title.htm

Pressure from above is what Jan Kozak called "revolutionary
parliamentarianism". "Revolutionary parliamentarianism" means
working INSIDE of the system to change laws in such a way as to
increase the power of government.

Pressure from below consists of the creation of the "emergencies";
which are then used as the excuses to increase the power of
government. Karl Marx referred to pressure from below as "the
proletarian struggle". Pressure from below might involve violence,
or it might simply be the creation of the appearance of popular
support for the increase in the power of government.

Our government leaves our border WIDE OPEN to illegal aliens,

but then claims to "protect" us, by creating totalitarian measures
against law abiding American citizens.

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:12:48 -0000
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
Subject: 9/11 update - 2/16

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· Pentagon denies data program gave Sept. 11 clues - But a defense
intelligence officer and two contractors who worked on the secret
program told a congressional committee the secret data-mining
operation called "Able Danger" revealed intelligence on Sept. 11
mastermind Mohammed Atta and others that should have been a tip-off of
the attacks.

· US 'let slip 9/11 hijacker 13 times' - A secret Pentagon unit had
Mohammed Atta, the 9/11 ringleader, in its crosshairs 13 times before
the 2001 attacks, a US congressman has claimed citing the unit's
records. - Weldon said he now had proof there had been several
attempts to transfer the information to the FBI, but they were blocked
by lawyers for the administration of George Bush.

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:50:09 -0800 (PST)
From: janet phelan <jcphelan10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: Blueprint from a Killing Program

Note: forwarded message attached.

Attached is a photo from a Los Angeles Department of Water and Power blueprint, revealing the infamous "second line."

I had located another water work site in Los Angeles, in the area between Vermont and Western Avenues, and bordered by Wilshire and Adams. Creamer is the contractor on this section of the project. According to "Scott," one of the workers at this site, Creamer and Spinniello have divided up much of the contracts for this project.

Scott was operating the machine that was digging up the street. He is good-looking, forty-something, and wears a hard hat sporting the American flag with the 911 logo--"United We Stand."

I told Scott I was a reporter and was doing a story on infrastructure work. After chatting with him for a few minutes, I asked if I could see the blueprints for the project. He directed the other worker at this site to give me the blueprints, which were in the Creamer truck.

I sat down on the curb and started snapping pictures. In order to back up my work, I used both a traditional camera and my cell phone, which has photo, video and voice recording capabilities. The attached photo was taken by my cell phone.

I took some photos of the tee, as well. After a few minutes, Scott noticed I was snapping photos of the blueprints. He got off his perch and strode over to me.

"Look," he said uneasily. "I don't know who you are. We're in very strange times in this country. You could be a terrorist. And there is alot of concern about the terrorists contaminating the water supply."

I tucked my cameras in my purse and handed the prints back to Scott. "I don't want to make you uncomfortable," I told him. "Here, take the blueprints."

I had ten or twelve pictures at that time. I did not want my cameras taken from me.

And then I winked at him. "Actually," I said, " I am Osama bin Laden. They shrunk me and gave me a sex change, so no one would ever be able to find me. Pretty good work, huh?" I tried to smile, disarmingly.

He laughed, apparently with some de-fusion of tension. He then he told me that the resident engineer on this project, Ali Sabouni, had an office at La Cienega and Jefferson. He said that the blueprints were up on the wall , and I could look at them to my heart's content if I dropped by the office. I chatted with Scott a few more minutes, snapped some more photos of the tee, and told him I'd be back in a couple of days.

Monday morning I was over at La Cienega and Jefferson at 8:30 a.m. Sabouni's "office" is in a trailer at the DWP yard at the intersection. I knocked on his door, then stuck my head in.

I identified myself and asked if he had a few minutes to talk. He said he did . I then switched on my tape recorder.

Three times in two minutes, Ali Sabouni, stated "There is no such thing as a remote controlled water valve." When I told him that his on-site workers gave me another story, he said, "Well, you can choose who you want to believe--an engineer or a street worker."

Remote controlled water valves are produced by a variety of companies. Anyone spending five minutes in a google search can ascertain that. And according to an engineer at U.S. Pipe, which is one of the biggest suppliers of parts to Los Angeles Department of Water and Power and other water districts nationwide, that company has manufactured remote controlled water valves as well.

Sabouni then explained to me that one couldn't put wires around pipes and water without creating a hazard. I informed him that broad band power would take care of that problem. Sabouni denied any knowledge of broad band power.

Sabouni is obviously an immigrant, and given his name, appearance and inflection, appears to be of Middle Eastern descent. He refused to give me the name of his country of birth. He also refused to give me the name of the college or university which granted him his engineering degree, although both he and Human Resources at DWP assured me he was degreed.

Seriously, alot of Arabs really don't like Jews. As we enter the Fourth Reich, and with the taps of anti-semitism flowing freely again, I must wonder what Ali Sabouni's true feelings are about the impending Holocaust and the part he will play in it, as an engineer on a killing program.

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I will be taking a sabbatical from the yahoo groups. Following the rather upsetting reversal of proferred hospitality by Joe Ludi, a patriot out in Texas has thankfully offered me sanctuary on his farm. I cannot continue on with my work under such grueling circumstances as living on the streets of HelL.A.

I am in the process of re-locating, and hopefully can garner enough safety to continue with my work in a less disruptive and dangerous environment.

Shalom,

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:52:30 -0800 (PST)
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:39:49 EST
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
Subject: Yeaaaa Wing Tv

They finally promoted Greg Nixon's March on the 20th...Today...Thursday's show

Thank you Lisa>>>wingedpiper@yahoo.com & Victor>>>sisyphus1285@cs.com

wingtv.net

Marsha

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:55:43 -0800 (PST)
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yeaaaa Wing Tv

Any mix up was my doing. Lisa is totally cool and is a FIGHTER. I didn't have her personal email and my announcement was lost in the cyberworld's equivalent to the vanilla envelope slush pile. I'll be on wing TV Friday 2pm EST.

Mofmars3@wmconnect.com wrote: They finally promoted Greg Nixon's March on the 20th...Today...Thursday's show

Thank you Lisa>>>wingedpiper@yahoo.com & Victor>>>sisyphus1285@cs.com

wingtv.net

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:12:41 -0800 (PST)
From: alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com>
Subject: New rule to stop the disruptors?

Hi everyone,

As you've all noticed, there have been a lot of divisive posts lately with people attacking others as Cointelpro, etc. And this can be very depressing and distracting. That's what they want. So don't let it get to you. Don't let them ruin this very important group. We can figure out a way to fix this problem.
Here's my suggestion:
NEW RULE. If you want to post something accusing another list member of being a spy or disruptor, you must first send it OFF-LIST to the moderators for approval. If you send it to the entire group, you will be warned. If you do it again, you will be removed.

In general, I've always said that I think it's a bad idea to launch spy/disruptor accusations on the list. Because then it just leads to more accusations and more disruption. The best way to handle someone you suspect is a disruptor is to a) ignore them, or b) express your disagreement with their arguments in a polite, respectful manner. I think if we can all agree to do this, we can keep the real disruptors from achieving their goal, which is to destroy the morale of this group.

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:56:01 -0500
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: Republicans Block Investigation of Domestic Spying Prog.Con.Conyers+

Republicans Block Investigation of
Domestic Spying Prog.Con.Conyers+

(Get Involved Before It Is ILLEGAL TO !)
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=Republicans_Block_Investigation

You may recall that a few weeks ago I introduced a resolution of inquiry
to obtain Justice Department documents about the President's domestic
spying program.
Many of you are no doubt familiar with the
procedure for resolutions of inquiry; however, for those who are not, a
brief explanation.
A resolution of inquiry requests information or
documents from the Executive Branch. The Committee to which it is
referred must vote on it within a specified period of time or the full
House must consider it.
As a practical matter, if the
Republicans want to dodge an issue, they refer the bill to Committee and
then "adversely report" it, which kills it, stopping the request for
documents and protecting every non-Committee Republican from having to
vote on it.
Today, the House Judiciary Committee considered
my resolution of inquiry on the domestic spying program. The Resolution
was rejected 16 to 21, with all Democrats and one Republican
(Congressman Hostetler) voting for it. A few quick impressions: first,
I was surprised at how half hearted
the Republican defense of the program was. I would even go further --
while some offered a full throated defense of the program, many of my
Republican colleagues seemed almost sheepish about it, and many did not
speak about it at all. Second, Republicans repeatedly asserted that the
documents were not needed because Judiciary Chairman Sensenbrenner has
unilaterally submitted 51 questions (pdf) to the Attorney General, and
that the Attorney General would testify at a general oversight hearing
at some undetermined point in the future. I and the other Democratic
Members responded that this was wholly inadequate, and that to fulfill
their constitutional oversight role the
Committee needed to obtain documents from the Administration and
hold separate hearings on the NSA issue. [continued] Complete article:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=Republicans_Block_Investigation
Mike Hersh
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- Become a Sustaining PDA Donor: https://www.pdamerica.org/donate.php
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:14:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New rule to stop the disruptors?

thank you mr random

i agree 5000%!

alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,

As you've all noticed, there have been a lot of divisive posts lately with people attacking others as Cointelpro, etc. And this can be very depressing and distracting. That's what they want. So don't let it get to you. Don't let them ruin this very important group. We can figure out a way to fix this problem.
Here's my suggestion:
NEW RULE. If you want to post something accusing another list member of being a spy or disruptor, you must first send it OFF-LIST to the moderators for approval. If you send it to the entire group, you will be warned. If you do it again, you will be removed.

In general, I've always said that I think it's a bad idea to launch spy/disruptor accusations on the list. Because then it just leads to more accusations and more disruption. The best way to handle someone you suspect is a disruptor is to a) ignore them, or b) express your disagreement with their arguments in a polite, respectful manner. I think if we can all agree to do this, we can keep the real disruptors from achieving their goal, which is to destroy the morale of this group.

Any further suggestions are appreciated.

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:19:31 -0500
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: Texas Cops Release Cheney Shooting Report + THE QUESTION NO ONE ASKS ?

Texas Cops Release Cheney Shooting Report + THE QUESTION NO ONE ASKS ?
(at bottom - More important than Cheney)

Cheney police report
Address:http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0216061cheney1.html

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Cheney got two DUIs in 1961-2 Did thirty days in jail for the first one
due to resistance he gave police.

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Address:http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/150206matchup.htm

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We have all learned in school history classes or old newsreels, That
in the Nuremburg Trials after WW ll the German soldiers were asked why
they committed the atrocities they did ??

And they answered -

"We Were Just Following Orders"

NOW ! -- Is The Time to Ask that of American Soldiers that have
Already Illegally and War Criminally Invaded and Occupied Iraq for Over
Three YEARS !

Is it Alright to Keep Occupying and Killing because they are ordered to
Do So ??

Just a Question ? - Answer it or ask it to others.

But if the same Reality exists today as in 1944 there is only One
Answer !

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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:31:15 -0500
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: Texas Cops Release Cheney Shooting Report + THE QUESTION NO ONE ASKS ?

Texas Cops Release Cheney Shooting Report + THE QUESTION NO ONE ASKS ?
(at bottom - More important than Cheney)

Cheney police report
Address:http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0216061cheney1.html

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Cheney got two DUIs in 1961-2 Did thirty days in jail for the first one
due to resistance he gave police.

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Cheney Shotgun Ballistics Don't Match Up
Address:http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/150206matchup.htm

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It is Time to ask the Question No One has Asked YET ! ?

We have all learned in school history classes or old newsreels, That
in the Nuremburg Trials after WW ll the German soldiers were asked why
they committed the atrocities they did ??

And they answered -

"We Were Just Following Orders"

NOW ! -- Is The Time to Ask that of American Soldiers that have
Already Illegally and War Criminally Invaded and Occupied Iraq for Over
Three YEARS !

Is it Alright to Keep Occupying and Killing because they are ordered to
Do So ??

Just a Question ? - Answer it or ask it to others.

But if the same Reality exists today as in 1944 there is only One
Answer !

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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:43:46 EST
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
Subject: Re: Yeaaaa Wing Tv

In a message dated 2/16/2006 2:55:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
nxngrg@yahoo.com writes:

> Any mix up was my doing. Lisa is totally cool and is a FIGHTER. I didn't
> have her personal email and my announcement was lost in the cyberworld's
> equivalent to the vanilla envelope slush pile. I'll be on wing TV Friday 2pm EST.
>

Great, Greg...It will be up all weekend, then...I'll send an alert to the
groups and lists asap so they can hear you

I guess I'll write the press release myself...No one said anything about
wanting to write one so you'll have to be stuck with what I write

I'll send one tonight so they can watch Wing TV and have the weekend to buzz
about it...Then closer to the March, in March, I'll send another one

Unless there might be reason to think it not wise to tell the media just
yet...Please email me off list, if this is the case

Marsha

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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:43:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New rule to stop the disruptors?

Sounds good to me brother.

alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi everyone,

As you've all noticed, there have been a lot of divisive posts lately with people attacking others as Cointelpro, etc. And this can be very depressing and distracting. That's what they want. So don't let it get to you. Don't let them ruin this very important group. We can figure out a way to fix this problem.
Here's my suggestion:
NEW RULE. If you want to post something accusing another list member of being a spy or disruptor, you must first send it OFF-LIST to the moderators for approval. If you send it to the entire group, you will be warned. If you do it again, you will be removed.

In general, I've always said that I think it's a bad idea to launch spy/disruptor accusations on the list. Because then it just leads to more accusations and more disruption. The best way to handle someone you suspect is a disruptor is to a) ignore them, or b) express your disagreement with their arguments in a polite, respectful manner. I think if we can all agree to do this, we can keep the real disruptors from achieving their goal, which is to destroy the morale of this group.

Any further suggestions are appreciated.

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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:33:54 -0800
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
Subject: RE: New rule to stop the disruptors?

I think this will help.

Personally I like the no flaming rule. It works like this;

A flame is a derogatory remark, pointedly personal at a group member. Issues
are OK for flame the hell out of, people on the group, no way.

In one of my larger groups we have found that what drives people off fast,
are Flame wars, Spam, and the same article being posted repeatedly. Flame
wars cost a group of 600 members about 3 members a day for at least 3 days
after then flaming has stopped. That is, one day of flame wars can cost 10
members.

You can’t get the word out if the group members are now looking at the
negative side of being in the group.

If you want the cointel disinformation subversives agents here on this list,
as it has appeared to me, then post it on the home page so the new members
know what is up and that they have to figure this out fro themselves.

Stick to the groups purpose, rules only facilitate achieving your purpose.

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Subject: [911TruthAction] New rule to stop the disruptors?

Hi everyone,

As you've all noticed, there have been a lot of divisive posts lately with
people attacking others as Cointelpro, etc. And this can be very depressing
and distracting. That's what they want. So don't let it get to you. Don't
let them ruin this very important group. We can figure out a way to fix this
problem.
Here's my suggestion:
NEW RULE. If you want to post something accusing another list member of
being a spy or disruptor, you must first send it OFF-LIST to the moderators
for approval. If you send it to the entire group, you will be warned. If you
do it again, you will be removed.

In general, I've always said that I think it's a bad idea to launch
spy/disruptor accusations on the list. Because then it just leads to more
accusations and more disruption. The best way to handle someone you suspect
is a disruptor is to a) ignore them, or b) express your disagreement with t!
heir arguments in a polite, respectful manner. I think if we can all agree
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is to destroy the morale of this group.

Any further suggestions are appreciated.
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:26:10 -0800
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
Subject: RE: Have any of you 'truthseekers' here LEARNED anything yet?

I have a question or two for you, zionistexposer7g

If this list is as bad as you say it is, why do you keep breaking Yahoo’s
TOS and returning after you are banned? What is the attraction?

Do you have a load of throwaway ID’s, as Yahoo, if they are informed that
you are willfully in constant violation of the Terms Of Service, as you have
provided here, will remove your ID.

Scott

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Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:45 AM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Have any of you 'truthseekers' here LEARNED
anything yet?

First and foremost, the moderators here could care LESS if you get
the TRUTH.

BIG RED FLAG! Why are they allowing the FRAUDS to post and have
banned several of my addy's now???

Next, Lies and LIARS have to prop each other up. Witness Perna
sucking up to Eric May as he sucked up to Stew Webb as he sucked up
to Barbara Hartwell.. ALL PROVEN COINTELPRO FRAUDS.

Or do you really BELEIVE in a million Chinese Robatoids, and the
Arabs done it philosophy this GAY FRIENDLY creep keeps tossing you?

Again this should be stone cold PROOF that ZIONISTS LIKE Perna
control this forum.

PernASS says 'we work for the same boss' yet it is he who is
parroting GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA, NOT I!

Note Perna posting about talking about the person rather than the
message.

Who's supplied PROOF HERE? Eric with his wild accusations that I'm
the same as Tim White. Perna? Nada! Nothing!

PROVE IT TO YOURSELVES! Email me at: hitech2@bluemarble.net
bluemarble.net and phone me.

Then Phone Tim in Colorado! Both of us are VERY open to proving
these fakers as the FRAUDS they are.

So if you have doubts, PROVE THEM YOURSELVES!

Mygroups have been online since 2000 at: LLNews, Worldcom and more.

Are you REALLY TRUTH seekers here?

Here's MY IP info with Tim White's below. This info can NOT
be 'faked.' Eric May and Perna are LIARS here!

Yet typical of sites claiming truth but tolerating DISINFORMATION,
Nixon allows the LIARS to remain and prefers CENSORSHIP eh?

Go Figure! Why DON't you want the truth Nixon?? And hey SCUMBAG,
since you're inferring I'm trash, what does that make YOU?

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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:30:03 -0600 (CST)
From: John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net>
Subject: Pres. Day NYC March press release

Presidents' Day "March for 9/11 Truth," NYC Ground Zero, 10 a.m. Monday, 2/20/06

Activists Plan 60's Style Protest against "War Crimes" and "Media Cover-Up of 9/11" in downtown Manhattan

New York City, NY (PRWEB) February 18, 2006 -- Vermonter Greg Nixon is a man on a mission to save America - from itself. He is one of a new breed of issue-oriented activists who were often not even involved in politics before 9/11. What mobilizes him is a prospect of indescribable horror: he sees plain proof that the WTC was destroyed on 9/11 in an undercover operation within America's own military intelligence establishment.

From all angles, it's a topsy-turvy world view, that can bowl one over with vertigo at first. A mirror world with such contrarian coordinates as:
- the terrorists are Americans, not Arabs;
- ex-mayor Giuliani and George Bush are suspects, not heroes of 9/11;
- much as the Bush administration capitalized on 9/11 to advance its agenda, the 9/11 Truthers seize on it as the Achilles heel of the "new militarism," with evidence of a controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and 7 as the smoking gun or fatal flaw in the official version;
- "left-leaning" media like The Nation, Pacifica's Democracy Now, and The New York Times, along with groups like ANSWER and the Democratic Party, are not seen as a real opposition; because they don't accept "9/11 Truth," they are just playing a part in the plans for World War IV on the oil fields of the Middle East.

Indeed, Greg Nixon would like the President's Day March to take aim especially at the "establishment left gatekeepers."

The plan for Monday's march is fairly ad hoc. After assembling at WTC Ground Zero, the protesters may march to Attorney General Elliot Spitzer's office with a letter demanding his resignation for failing to investigate 9/11. Last year, 9/11 activists in New York filed an extensive complaint with Spitzer, and hopes were high for a time that he might take up the case. Offices of the above-mentioned "left-wing gatekeepers" could be next.

Speakers expected are Greg Nixon and others, including:
Craig Hill, the Vermont Green Party senatorial candidate, who includes photographic evidence of the WTC demolition in his campaign platform. His website is www.hillsenatenow.org .
Sander Hicks, author of the 9/11 expos? The Big Wedding, and owner of the Vox Pop Democracy Caf? in Brooklyn, www.voxpopnet.net.

9/11 activist, historian and radio personality Webster Tarpley will speak at a Greg Nixon event on April 27th at the University of Vermont. Tarpley is devoting his energies to opposing the latest war drive on Iran. He says the plan is to attack Iran already by the end of March, which leaves much less time for mobilizing springtime demonstrations such as we saw before the attack on Iraq. (see http://www.waronfreedom.org/activists/stop-amerigeddon.html) He is the author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA.

During the run-up to the Iraq war, 9/11 activists tried but failed to convince the peace movement that exposing 9/11 was the only way to stop the juggernaut of war. They felt that rank-and-file pacifists were receptive, but the leadership marched to a different, establishment tune.

More details on the Presidents' Day march at http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/332307.shtml .

See also the feature article on the march at http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php "2/20 March for 9/11 Truth NYC: The Tipping Point? The world is at the most serious crossroads in modern history. The fraudulent 'War on Terror' threatens the very future of humanity."

For an interview with Greg Nixon, see http://www.phillyimc.org/en/2006/02/19016.shtml . Quote:
"Bring your digital camera, too. Because something tells me that history is going to be made in New York City this upcoming Monday, in honor of President?s Day. That?s the day those actually informed about 9/11 will gather together in NYC to honor the birthday of the first GW. You know, the GW who was unable to tell a lie."

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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:22:13 -0500
From: Total Information <totalinfo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pres. Day NYC March press release

I think it's good not to have a single plan. KNow the several different
routes between each destianitn beforehand and announce and lead as you go.
Protestors inDC have been succesful w/ this method

On 2/17/06, John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Presidents' Day "March for 9/11 Truth," NYC Ground Zero, 10 a.m. Monday,
> 2/20/06
>
> Activists Plan 60's Style Protest against "War Crimes" and "Media Cover-Up
> of 9/11" in downtown Manhattan
>
> New York City, NY (PRWEB) February 18, 2006 -- Vermonter Greg Nixon is a
> man on a mission to save America - from itself. He is one of a new breed of
> issue-oriented activists who were often not even involved in politics before
> 9/11. What mobilizes him is a prospect of indescribable horror: he sees
> plain proof that the WTC was destroyed on 9/11 in an undercover operation
> within America's own military intelligence establishment.
>
> From all angles, it's a topsy-turvy world view, that can bowl one over
> with vertigo at first. A mirror world with such contrarian coordinates as:
> - the terrorists are Americans, not Arabs;
> - ex-mayor Giuliani and George Bush are suspects, not heroes of 9/11;
> - much as the Bush administration capitalized on 9/11 to advance its
> agenda, the 9/11 Truthers seize on it as the Achilles heel of the "new
> militarism," with evidence of a controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and 7 as
> the smoking gun or fatal flaw in the official version;
> - "left-leaning" media like The Nation, Pacifica's Democracy Now, and The
> New York Times, along with groups like ANSWER and the Democratic Party, are
> not seen as a real opposition; because they don't accept "9/11 Truth," they
> are just playing a part in the plans for World War IV on the oil fields of
> the Middle East.
>
> Indeed, Greg Nixon would like the President's Day March to take aim
> especially at the "establishment left gatekeepers."
>
> The plan for Monday's march is fairly ad hoc. After assembling at WTC
> Ground Zero, the protesters may march to Attorney General Elliot Spitzer's
> office with a letter demanding his resignation for failing to investigate
> 9/11. Last year, 9/11 activists in New York filed an extensive complaint
> with Spitzer, and hopes were high for a time that he might take up the case.
> Offices of the above-mentioned "left-wing gatekeepers" could be next.
>
> Speakers expected are Greg Nixon and others, including:
> Craig Hill, the Vermont Green Party senatorial candidate, who includes
> photographic evidence of the WTC demolition in his campaign platform. His
> website is www.hillsenatenow.org .
> Sander Hicks, author of the 9/11 expos? The Big Wedding, and owner of the
> Vox Pop Democracy Caf? in Brooklyn, www.voxpopnet.net.
>
> 9/11 activist, historian and radio personality Webster Tarpley will speak
> at a Greg Nixon event on April 27th at the University of Vermont. Tarpley is
> devoting his energies to opposing the latest war drive on Iran. He says the
> plan is to attack Iran already by the end of March, which leaves much less
> time for mobilizing springtime demonstrations such as we saw before the
> attack on Iraq. (see
> http://www.waronfreedom.org/activists/stop-amerigeddon.html) He is the
> author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA.
>
> During the run-up to the Iraq war, 9/11 activists tried but failed to
> convince the peace movement that exposing 9/11 was the only way to stop the
> juggernaut of war. They felt that rank-and-file pacifists were receptive,
> but the leadership marched to a different, establishment tune.
>
> More details on the Presidents' Day march at
> http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/332307.shtml .
>
> See also the feature article on the march at
> http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php "2/20 March for
> 9/11 Truth NYC: The Tipping Point? The world is at the most serious
> crossroads in modern history. The fraudulent 'War on Terror' threatens the
> very future of humanity."
>
> For an interview with Greg Nixon, see
> http://www.phillyimc.org/en/2006/02/19016.shtml . Quote:
> "Bring your digital camera, too. Because something tells me that history
> is going to be made in New York City this upcoming Monday, in honor of
> President?s Day. That?s the day those actually informed about 9/11 will
> gather together in NYC to honor the birthday of the first GW. You know, the
> GW who was unable to tell a lie."
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 06:22:12 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: GLOBAL WARMING '30 TIMES QUICKER THAN IT USED TO BE'

Forwarded with Compliments of Free Voice of America (FVOA): Accurate
News and Interesting Commentary for Amerika's Huddled Masses Yearning
to Breathe Free. NOTE: This piece is actually refreshing because in
pimp/whore corporate journalism about climate destabilization (for
which the obscene euphemism is "global warming") it is so rare to find
any warning about the dynamic of vicious cycling; here we see the
Occident's puerile linear logic at its very most unfortunate, for
circularity is inherent in other traditions of logic--cf., Lili Abegg's
THE MIND OF EAST ASIA. -- kl, pp

From: "Graham Jukes" <grahamjukes@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: February 17, 2006 5:04:11 AM EST
Subject: GLOBAL WARMING '30 TIMES QUICKER THAN IT USED TO BE'

http://tinyurl.com/8wo7o

THE INDEPENDENT - UK - ENVIRONMENT

GLOBAL WARMING '30 TIMES QUICKER THAN IT
USED TO BE'

By Steve Connor

17 February 2006 - Greenhouse gases are being released into the
atmosphere 30 times faster than the time when the Earth experienced a
previous episode of global warming.

A study comparing the rate at which carbon dioxide and methane are
being emitted now, compared to 55 million years ago when global warming
also occurred, has found dramatic differences in the speed of release.

James Zachos, professor of earth sciences at the University of
California, Santa Cruz, said the speed of the present build-up of
greenhouse gases is far greater than during the global warming after
the demise of the dinosaurs.

"The emissions that caused this past episode of global warming probably
lasted 10,000 years," Professor Zachos told the American Association
for the Advancement of Science at a meeting in St Louis. "By burning
fossil fuels, we are likely to emit the same amount over the next three
centuries."

VICIOUS CIRCLES OF WARMING

He warned that studies of global warming events in the geological past
indicate the Earth's climate passes a threshold beyond which climate
change accelerates with the help of positive feedbacks - vicious
circles of warming.

Professor Zachos is a leading authority on the episode of global
warming known as the palaeocene-eocene thermal maximum, when average
global temperatures increased by up to 5C due to a massive release of
carbon dioxide and methane.

His research into the deep ocean sediments suggests at this time about
4.5 billion tons of carbon entered the atmosphere over 10,000 years.
This will be the similar amount of carbon released into the atmosphere
from cars and industrial emissions over the next 300 years if present
trends continue, he said.

Although carbon can be released suddenly and naturally into the
atmosphere from volcanic activity, it takes many thousand of years for
it to be removed permanently by natural processes. The ocean is capable
of removing carbon, and quickly, but this natural capacity can be
quickly overwhelmed, which is probably what happened 55 million years
ago.

"IT WILL TAKE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE ATMOSPHERIC CARBON
DIOXIDE COMES DOWN TO PRE-INDUSTRIAL LEVELS," THE PROFESSOR SAID. "EVEN
AFTER HUMANS STOP BURNING FOSSIL FUELS, THE EFFECTS WILL BE
LONG-LASTING."

[end] - The Independent - UK - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/8wo7o

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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:02:34 -0000
From: "hitech_01_47460" <hitech_01_47460@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New rule to stop the disruptors?

OK then Alan, may I be allowed back in this group if I follow these
rules also???

I mean I think I shared some compelling EVIDENCE as to who is
furnishing DISINFORMATION and who isn't.

If you want to be FAIR, I should be allowed to 'debate' with FACTS
AND EVIDENCE others can see.

Unless you really BELIEVE in those 'arab hijackers' whom many were
found ALIVE in Saudi Arabia. etc.

I again encourage email with any questions you have to
hitech2@bluemarble.net bluemarble.net

Or you can phone me.

My goal since 2000 in Yahoo groups has been to share information
freely, though I have battled with
DISINFORMERS making like claims over that time.

If I'm right, (AND I'M ENCOURAGING VERIFICATION OF WHAT I SAY HERE)
then shouldn't I be ALLOWED to participate?

Larry Lawson (NOT Tim White)

And NO I work on the behalf of NO FEDeral agency or FOREIGN
government like Israel.

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, alan random <alanrandom@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> As you've all noticed, there have been a lot of divisive posts
lately with people attacking others as Cointelpro, etc. And this can
be very depressing and distracting. That's what they want. So don't
let it get to you. Don't let them ruin this very important group. We
can figure out a way to fix this problem.
> Here's my suggestion:
> NEW RULE. If you want to post something accusing another list
member of being a spy or disruptor, you must first send it OFF-LIST
to the moderators for approval. If you send it to the entire group,
you will be warned. If you do it again, you will be removed.
>
> In general, I've always said that I think it's a bad idea to
launch spy/disruptor accusations on the list. Because then it just
leads to more accusations and more disruption. The best way to handle
someone you suspect is a disruptor is to a) ignore them, or b)
express your disagreement with their arguments in a polite,
respectful manner. I think if we can all agree to do this, we can
keep the real disruptors from achieving their goal, which is to
destroy the morale of this group.
>
> Any further suggestions are appreciated.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Brings words and photos together (easily) with
> PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.
>

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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:13:26 -0000
From: "hitech_01_47460" <hitech_01_47460@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Have any of you 'truthseekers' here LEARNED anything yet?

My complaint was in being removed while others that I felt I supplied
EVIDENCE to of being PROVEN LIARS and DISRUPTORS were allowed to
remain. And I was continually attacked AFTER being removed. How
would YOU FEEL if you knew you were right Scott?

Did you even look at any of the URLs I supplied to see in their own
words what I'd said?

If this is indeed 911TRUTHseekers, shouldn't we dispute the
PROPAGANDA when we see it? How do we flame the hell out of the
issues without pointing out the COINTELPRO perps like Stew Webb and
those who push that garbage?

I'm open for edification here on how to do it more 'civily' but I did
think people here had a right to know.

Whaaaa.. I didn't feel I was treated 'fairly' is all.

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@...>
wrote:
>
> I have a question or two for you, zionistexposer7g
>
> If this list is as bad as you say it is, why do you keep breaking
Yahoo's
> TOS and returning after you are banned? What is the attraction?
>
> Do you have a load of throwaway ID's, as Yahoo, if they are
informed that
> you are willfully in constant violation of the Terms Of Service, as
you have
> provided here, will remove your ID.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of zionistexposer7g
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:45 AM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911TruthAction] Have any of you 'truthseekers' here
LEARNED
> anything yet?
>
> First and foremost, the moderators here could care LESS if you get
> the TRUTH.
>
> BIG RED FLAG! Why are they allowing the FRAUDS to post and have
> banned several of my addy's now???
>
> Next, Lies and LIARS have to prop each other up. Witness Perna
> sucking up to Eric May as he sucked up to Stew Webb as he sucked up
> to Barbara Hartwell.. ALL PROVEN COINTELPRO FRAUDS.
>
> Or do you really BELEIVE in a million Chinese Robatoids, and the
> Arabs done it philosophy this GAY FRIENDLY creep keeps tossing you?
>
> Again this should be stone cold PROOF that ZIONISTS LIKE Perna
> control this forum.
>
> PernASS says 'we work for the same boss' yet it is he who is
> parroting GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA, NOT I!
>
> Note Perna posting about talking about the person rather than the
> message.
>
> Who's supplied PROOF HERE? Eric with his wild accusations that I'm
> the same as Tim White. Perna? Nada! Nothing!
>
>
> PROVE IT TO YOURSELVES! Email me at: hitech2@...
> bluemarble.net and phone me.
>
> Then Phone Tim in Colorado! Both of us are VERY open to proving
> these fakers as the FRAUDS they are.
>
>
> So if you have doubts, PROVE THEM YOURSELVES!
>
> Mygroups have been online since 2000 at: LLNews, Worldcom and more.
>
>
> Are you REALLY TRUTH seekers here?
>
> Here's MY IP info with Tim White's below. This info can NOT
> be 'faked.' Eric May and Perna are LIARS here!
>
> Yet typical of sites claiming truth but tolerating DISINFORMATION,
> Nixon allows the LIARS to remain and prefers CENSORSHIP eh?
>
> Go Figure! Why DON't you want the truth Nixon?? And hey SCUMBAG,
> since you're inferring I'm trash, what does that make YOU?
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911TruthAction/message/21577?source=1
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