Tuesday, August 23, 2005

News Hounds: Fox credit revoked

News Hounds: Fox credit revoked

"I don't want to get into the Able Danger mess because, as I wrote earlier, my gut tells me it's nonsense."




Blogger Comment: Interesting.

One year ago....


One year ago....
Originally uploaded by gms.
....I was standing on top of Rothenfluh near Schwyz in Switzerland taking this picture. 5 hours previously I had woken in my bed at home. I don't really like travelling by plane because you have no sense of actual travel. You're just suddenly there in a different climate and landscape, still picking the remnants of breakfast cereal from your mouth.
I'm not getting abroad this year but I've still plenty of pics from this trip to post. I'm glad I'm not there today. It's grey, cloudy and thoroughly wet. They've not had a good summer I think.

geometry of death


geometry of death
Originally uploaded by deborah lattimore.

Boat House?



Originally uploaded by ccarriconde.

"Tourists? They dream at the level of posh cars."


Getting out of Iraq.....

Informed Comment

Letter to Juan Cole, posted on his blog.

Sample Letter to Banking Profiteers

ProfessorBainbridge.com: Gorelick

ProfessorBainbridge.com: Gorelick

Blogger Thought: Bainbridge points to those he must think are reliable sources. They are anything but.

Guardian Unlimited | World Latest | U.S. Says Terrorists May Pose As Vagrants

Guardian Unlimited | World Latest | U.S. Says Terrorists May Pose As Vagrants

Suburban Guerrilla � Blog Archive � Ominous

Suburban Guerrilla � Blog Archive � Ominous

I have to wonder if this is a dress rehearsal for martial law. Just take a look at this video of a SWAT team shutting down an outdoor rave in Utah last night – a rave for which they had all the necessary permits. Here’s an eyewitness account:


At about 11:30 or so, I was standing behind the stage talking with someone when I noticed a helicopter pulling over one of the mountain tops. I jokingly said “Oh look, here comes big brother” to the person I was with. I wasn’t far off.

The helicopter dipped lower and lower and started shining its lights on the crowd. I was kind of in awe and just sat and watched this thing circle us for a minute. As I looked back towards the crowd I saw a guy dressed in camoflauge walking by, toting an assault rifle. At this point, everyone was fully aware of what was going on . A few “troops” rushed the stage and cut the sound off and started yelling that everyone “get the fuck out of here or go to jail”. This is where it got really sticky.

No one resisted. That’s for sure. They had police dogs raiding the crowd of people and I saw a dog signal out a guy who obviously had some drugs on him. The soldiers attacked the guy (4 of them on 1), and kicked him a few times in the ribs and had their knees in his back and sides. As they were cuffing him, there was about 1000 kids trying to leave in the backdrop, peacefully. Next thing I know, A can of fucking TEAR GAS is launched into the crowd. People are running and screaming at this point. Girls are crying, guys are cussing… bad scene.

Now, this is all I saw with my own eyes, but I heard plenty of other accounts of the night. Now this isnt gossip I heard from some candy raver, these are instances cited straight out of the promoters mouth..

– One of the promoters friends (a very small female) was attacked by one of the police dogs. As she struggled to get away from it, the police tackled her. 3 grown men proceeded to KICK HER IN THE STOMACH.
- The police confiscated 3 video tapes in total. People were trying to document what was happening out there. The police saw one guy filming and ran after him, tackled him and his camera fell, and luckily.. his friend grabbed it and ran and got away. priceless footage. That’s not all though. Out of 1,500 people, there’s sure to be more footage.

– The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said “here, I have the permit.” The police then said, “no you don’t” and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said “get the fuck out of here right now.”


What the fuck is going on here? Here’s the sheriff’s statement.

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Jim Says:

August 23rd, 2005 at 12:48 am
Susie,

It reminds me more and more of Vietnam. The early protests didn’t draw many people or strong government reaction. As the war support dropped and protests became larger the government reaction escalated peaking about 1970-1971 with events like Kent State. I hope we can bring this to a close much quicker, but I anticipate there will be government overreaction to some of the demonstrations.

Jim

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BreakForNews.com Forum - You Won't Post This...

BreakForNews.com Forum - You Won't Post This...
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You Won't Post This...
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This just in by email from John Doraemi -Fintan

"Groups 1-3 believe any old rubbish(PeakOil, Bird Flu,
GannonGate). Clearly, that fourth group are the big
problem for the opinion massagers."

This Fintan person talks so much nuts, about nearly
everyone trying to get to the truth. But where are
his credentials?

There are actual "bird flu" problems out there,
spreading across Asia as we speak. Killing thousands
of birds, and the strain of flu is very similar to a
human form of the virus that kills 50% of victims.
That's not "rubbish," and it has nothing whatsoever to
do with one's opinion about September 11th.

"Peak Oil" is another concept that Fintan either
doesn't understand, or he thinks he can feel superior
by denigrating others. Hubbard was the scientist who
modelled how oil fields "peak" and decline. This is
an inevitability, if you keep pumping oil out of them.
(Hubbard predicted the peak/decline of US oilfields
to within a decade). On a global scale it will wreak
havoc unseen before, because of our irrational
overreliance on oil. The price will skyrocket into
the hudreds of dollars per barrel. This will affect
economies everywhere. Not "rubbish."

What passes for "fact" on Fintan's site? MOVIE PLOTS!

I was investigating how Fintan allegedly had the goods
on Daniel Hopsicker and Amanda Keller. There is
nothing in that entire article, except several old
movie reviews, to substantiate his claims. Nothing!

The man is a charlatan, and he's actively denigrating
nearly EVERYONE out there investigating 9-11.

Sorry, Fin, I'd take the word of Mike Ruppert over you
any day of the week. Same goes for Hopsicker,
Chossudovsky, and many of the others you are
attempting to demonize. Who's really not working for
"the truth" here?

What factual analysis do you offer to counter the
highly plausible claims made by these giants in the
field? Where's your fount of wisdom? (Old Arnold
movies don't count.)

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State at:
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/
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It's good to step through this somewhat knee-jerk
response to our ongoing CIA Fakes analysis.

First off, bear in mind that unless the CIA Fakes were reasonably convincing, there would be little point. As a result, a lot of people have been taken in by them. In a controlled media environment, we are meant to clutch at such straws.

I wrote:
"Groups 1-3 believe any old rubbish(PeakOil, Bird Flu,
GannonGate). Clearly, that fourth group are the big
problem for the opinion massagers."

That fourth group being MIHOP.

The MIHOP group is a problem because their analysis may lead them to ours. In other words thay may come to realize that those ruthless enough to "Make it Happen on Purpose" may well have plans that go wayyyy back. Which plans could reasonably be expected to include effective control of Internet News just as with mainstream media.

But how can you control the Internet -when anyone can publish to it? Like this: you only need to control the high traffic points. So if someone publishes to the Net, and their material is dangerous -you just ignore it- don't link to it. They often linked to my less dangertous material, but never to vital articles that explain what's really going on:

Dawn of the G8 New World Order
http://www.breakfornews.com/G8-World-Order.htm



This Fintan person talks so much nuts, about nearly
everyone trying to get to the truth. But where are
his credentials?

My credentials are the quality of my analysis. My credentials include writing that article I referenced above. All about the G8 and the danger they pose.
Written on 10th June, 2004 (a year before the G8 London Bombings):

"In the last few days the totalitarian domination of the developing world has solidified around the annexation of Iraq. And the G8 elite have moved swiftly on to outline the next phase of their New World Order." http://www.breakfornews.com/G8-World-Order.htm

Most people still don't realize what the G8 did to inspire such a comment from me.
[Read the article!]

But they got a big, big hint that the G8 (rather than the GWB) is their real problem, when about exactly a year later we had the G8/London bombs; Live8 nosedived; and the G8 trooped out onto the world stage to reassure us all that the 'terrorists' won't win.

Which is why I wrote:


This author on 10th June, 2004 clearly identified the ongoing crisis flowing from 9/11, as a geopolitical maneuver by the G8.

This time last year we also clearly identified Africa as their next target. And just a week ago, in a further analysis entitled "Live8 is an NWO Psyop - so is AIDS", we again identified the role of the G8 in the carefully staged "popular" fanfare around the campaign for African debt relief. The latest events in London, now confirm our earlier analysis was correct.

We are witnessing a series of choreographed psychological-military operations inspired by core elements of the G8, which are designed to stampede people into casting aside hard won civil liberties, while moving to a global governmental/military/economic order based on the values of power and money -not social development, equity and justice. http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_19134.shtml



There are actual "bird flu" problems out there,
spreading across Asia as we speak. Killing thousands
of birds, and the strain of flu is very similar to a
human form of the virus that kills 50% of victims.
That's not "rubbish," and it has nothing whatsoever to
do with one's opinion about September 11th.

You are really buying it all. There is NO Bird Flu problem. There is only a problem of housing birds as if they were industrial production units. Nothing new. Nothing dangerous. Just Nature at work, showing us how not to do it. And viruses will only affect humans if we (like the birds) are living like we are industrial production units.

.....And it IS the same as with the September 11th issue. Just as with bird flu, you are buying the detail from Ruppert et al, but failing to question the context.


"Peak Oil" is another concept that Fintan either
doesn't understand, or he thinks he can feel superior
by denigrating others. Hubbard was the scientist who
modelled how oil fields "peak" and decline. This is
an inevitability, if you keep pumping oil out of them.
(Hubbard predicted the peak/decline of US oilfields
to within a decade). On a global scale it will wreak
havoc unseen before, because of our irrational
overreliance on oil. The price will skyrocket into
the hudreds of dollars per barrel. This will affect
economies everywhere. Not "rubbish."

Peak Oil (and the oil prices it subtly allows) is a Global Oil Tax. The money goes straight to the U.S Fed System to allow them tweak the U.S. economy. So ask yourself this. If Peak Oil is real, are we now paying higher prices because the supplier countries have announced that as the oil is running out they will be charging more? No.

So why is it dearer, and where is the money going?
Hint: Take at look at Oil Company balance sheets.


What passes for "fact" on Fintan's site? MOVIE PLOTS!

Movie plots are a useful common ground for discussing all sorts of plots. lol


I was investigating how Fintan allegedly had the goods
on Daniel Hopsicker and Amanda Keller. There is
nothing in that entire article, except several old
movie reviews, to substantiate his claims. Nothing!

The article is : " True Lies of 9/11: Amanda & Atta"
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/true-lies-of-911-amanda-atta.html

It has one sentence that is from a review of the movie.
The rest of the sentences are a long overdue analysis.
OK, then. Ignore 'em.


The man is a charlatan, and he's actively denigrating
nearly EVERYONE out there investigating 9-11.

I'm actively spotlighting the CIA's disinfo, that's what. And there are thousands of people investigating 9/11. The CIA don't control them. But the CIA would like to control their analysis of the events.

Sorry, Fin, I'd take the word of Mike Ruppert over you
any day of the week. Same goes for Hopsicker,
Chossudovsky, and many of the others you are
attempting to demonize. Who's really not working for
"the truth" here?

Fine. Go take the word of Mike Ruppert.
Take these words of Ruppert's, for example:


Ruppert: "I was personally exposed to CIA operations and recruited by CIA personnel
who attempted to recruit me in the late '70's to become involved in protecting agency
drug operations in this country." http://emsh.calarts.edu/~akgreis/cia/CIA.html
http://www.parascope.com/articles/1196/deutch.htm

Read it again. Was he recruited or not?? You decide.

Our Audio on 6 Sep 04 'Mike Ruppert: Rebel Without a Rebellion'
http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/mrn/audio/InsideTrackNews040906.mp3


What factual analysis do you offer to counter the
highly plausible claims made by these giants in the
field? Where's your fount of wisdom? (Old Arnold
movies don't count.)

The analysis is there. Read it.

"Giants in the field??"

No giants. And no pedestals, please.

(Old Arnold movies don't count.)

Oh, but Arnold movies DO count.
That's how the Reaganite machine works.
Arnold has played a very, very important role.
So has Stallone. So has Willis.

Hollywood has fashioned a new warrior class.
Otherwise known as cannon fodder.
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Just got this from John Doraemi's website:

"...in London a week ago, a company called Visor
Consultants was running a terror drill on the morning of
the bombings, at the exact same railway stations, at the
exact same times as the bombings, and a thousand
people were involved. This is reported on BBC."
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2005/07/4-minutes-on-9-11.html

Why are you spreading these lies?
It's been debunked. No thousand people.
Just a seminar for a handful of managers.

http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/alex-jones-is-wrong-on-london-terror.html

Why not tell the real story.
It was a setup to discredit "conspiracy theories".
Alex Jones played along.

http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/mainstream-ridicules-visor-terror.html
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/08/pied-piper-of-london-bombing.html

If you keep telling that lie, people gonna wonder about you. lol


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Dear John Doraemi

have a read here - the Center for an Informed America (CIA).

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/

'Peak Oil' is an engineered scam.

More die crossing the road every day than from 'Bird Flu' in a year.

More die each year from RTAs on Phuket, Thailand, than the total dead from the so-called (but geo-physically impossible) December 26 'tsunami'.

9/11 was a MIHOP psyop. Wake up sleepy head.

Not everything is as it seems - just ask O'Brien.

Winston .
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How to Escape the Oil Trap - Newsweek: International Editions - MSNBC.com

How to Escape the Oil Trap - Newsweek: International Editions - MSNBC.com

Blogger Thought: Looks like US Domestic Terror (Synthetic) will take all our minds off oil and foreign lands soon.

Audio: cloakanddagger.de 8-22-2005

Cloak and Dagger: Home Page

London-Bombs: Serendipity and why the London bombings were carried out

London-Bombs: Serendipity and why the London bombings were carried out

Serendipity and why the London bombings were carried out
http://serendipity.li/london/bombings.htm

Serendipity argues that the London bombings were carried out:

To sabotage the G8 meeting

To further promote the myths of "Arab/Muslim terrorists".

To distract attention from Blair's lies on Iraq.

To terrorize the British people into not opposing a police state.

Serendipity writes that Rudy Giuliani was in West Yorkshire, where three of the alleged bombers lived, on the day before the attack, and on 7/7 just happened to be "just yards from Liverpool Street station when the bombs went off."

Serendipity:

"On 7/7 UK Foreign Minister Jack Straw stated within hours: 'It has the hallmarks of an al Qaeda-related attack.'

"It certainly resembled the Madrid bombings, but if that was what Jack Straw meant then he failed to point out that the suspects in that atrocity were police informants with links to Spain's security services...

" On the evening of 7 July 2005 Rosemary Hollis, a Director at the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London (the mother organization of the Council on Foreign Relations, both organizations promoting an elite agenda for control of the world) was interviewed on the BBC World Service and attempted to persuade us that the London bombings happened because some Muslims who were feeling "alienated" had taken to using the web to communicate with their coreligionists...

"A lot of people may have been fooled in the days following 9/11 by Bush's talk of 'Arab terrists who hate our freedoms'. They are less likely to be fooled by Blair's talk (and the lies of the corporate-controlled mainstream media) regarding 'Muslim extremists' and 'Islamists' intent on 'destroying what we in this country hold dear.'

"Such vicious insinuations are merely a continuation of the tactic of demonizing Arabs and Muslims in order to 'justify' the illegal and immoral wars against those countries in the Middle East which the Axis of Evil (Britain, the US and Israel) wishes to conquer, control and exploit.

"The London bombings were the work of operatives of the global-dominance power elite, who care nothing for how many people die (which of us will be next?) provided only that they can maintain and expand their control over the world's money and economic resources. If we and our children are to live our lives without continual fear then their control must be broken....

" Fascism was not defeated in the 1930s and 1940s; it simply went underground...."

Rubicon: Indiscriminate Murder, Explicated

Rubicon: Indiscriminate Murder, Explicated

"Dick Cheney, US president of vice, raised hypocrisy to a new level yesterday when he spoke to the Military Order of the Purple Heart in Springfield, Missouri."

ProfessorBainbridge.com: Once More into the Iraq Breach

ProfessorBainbridge.com: Once More into the Iraq Breach

Blogger Comments: Bainbridge clarifies: His beef isn't about moral outrage, it's about the conservative movement "paying the ultimate price."

Such talk of paying an ultimate price, and not referring to the lives being taken / given: maybe Bainbridge doesn't deserve to be seen as better than el Rushbo after all.

Rigorous Intuition: On the Job, on the Square (Menezes Murder by Police)

Rigorous Intuition: On the Job, on the Square

ABLE DANGER JUMPS THE SHARK..

The Washington Monthly

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Reuters nails Bush

AMERICAblog: Because a great nation deserves the truth

Reuters nails Bush
by John (temporarily) in Paris - 8/22/2005 07:47:00 PM

Just read it. Rarely has any reporter gotten it as clearly as the one who wrote this article about Bush trying to link Iraq AGAIN to the war on terror. The article calls him on every lie.

I especially like the quote from the pathetic Vietnam vet who thinks the only way you "support" the troops is by sending them to die for a lie without the necessary armor. Exposing that lie, and exposing the fact that our troops don't even have the supplies they need to stay alive - that's anti-troop. But supporting a policy that sends our soldiers to their deaths for no reason, and in fact for all the wrong reasons, that's true love.

I hear freedom is slavery too.

Navy Officer Affirms Assertions About Pre-9/11 Data on Atta - New York Times

Navy Officer Affirms Assertions About Pre-9/11 Data on Atta - New York Times

The New York Times

August 22, 2005

Navy Officer Affirms Assertions About Pre-9/11 Data on Atta

WASHINGTON, Aug. 22 - An active-duty Navy captain has become the second military officer to come forward publicly to say that a secret defense intelligence program tagged the ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks as a possible terrorist more than a year before the attacks.

The officer, Scott J. Phillpott, said in a statement today that he could not discuss details of the military program, which was called Able Danger, but confirmed that its analysts had identified the Sept. 11 ringleader, Mohamed Atta, by name by early 2000. "My story is consistent," said Captain Phillpott, who managed the program for the Pentagon's Special Operations Command. "Atta was identified by Able Danger by January-February of 2000."

His comments came on the same day that the Pentagon's chief spokesman, Lawrence Di Rita, told reporters that the Defense Department had been unable to validate the assertions made by an Army intelligence veteran, Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, and now backed up by Captain Phillpott, about the early identification of Mr. Atta.

Colonel Shaffer went public with his assertions last week, saying that analysts in the intelligence project had been overruled by military lawyers when they tried to share the program's findings with the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 2000 in hope of tracking down terror suspects tied to Al Qaeda.

Mr. Di Rita said in an interview that while the department continued to investigate the assertions, there was no evidence so far that the intelligence unit had come up with such specific information about Mr. Atta and any of the other hijackers.

He said that while Colonel Shaffer and Captain Phillpott were respected military officers whose accounts were taken seriously, "thus far we've not been able to uncover what these people said they saw - memory is a complicated thing."

The statement from Captain Phillpott , a 1983 Naval Academy graduate, who has served in the Navy for 22 years, was provided to The New York Times and Fox News through the office of Representative Curt Weldon, Republican of Pennsylvania, who is vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and a longtime proponent of so-called data-mining programs like Able Danger.

Asked if the Defense Department had interviewed Captain Phillpott in its two-week-old investigation of Able Danger, another Pentagon spokesman, Maj. Paul Swiergosz, said he did not know.

Representative Weldon also arranged an interview with a former employee of a defense contractor who said he had helped create a chart in 2000 for the intelligence program that included Mr. Atta's photograph and name.

The former contractor, James D. Smith, said that Mr. Atta's name and photograph were obtained through a private researcher in California who was paid to gather the information from contacts in the Middle East. Mr. Smith said that he had retained a copy of the chart for some time and that it had been posted on his office wall at Andrews Air Force Base. He said it had become stuck to the wall and was impossible to remove when he switched jobs.

In its final report last year, the Sept. 11 commission said that American intelligence agencies were unaware of Mr. Atta until the day of the attacks.

Commission members did acknowledge in a statement on Aug. 12 that their staff met with a Navy officer last July, only 10 days before releasing the panel's final report, who had asserted that Able Danger, a highly classified intelligence operation, had identified "Mohamed Atta to be a member of an Al Qaeda cell located in Brooklyn."

But the statement, which did not identify the officer by name, said that the commission's staff had determined that "the officer's account was not sufficiently reliable to warrant revision of the report or further investigation" and that the intelligence operation "did not turn out to be historically significant."

With his comments today, Captain Phillpott acknowledged that he was the officer who had briefed the commission last year. "I will not discuss the issues outside of my chain of command and the Department of Defense," he said. "But my story is consistent. Atta was identified by Able Danger in January-February of 2000. I have nothing else to say."

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aangirfan: A plot by a secretive section of the military to kill De Menezes as part of a strategy of tension?

aangirfan: A plot by a secretive section of the military to kill De Menezes as part of a strategy of tension?

Menezes as part of a strategy of tension?
The Sunday Herald and the Observer have new revelations about the de Menezes murder.

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There has been speculation that all the recent terror incidents in London are part of a 'strategy of tension' similar to that which brought terror to Greece, Italy and Turkey in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.

It looks as if there were (at least) two groups who were involved in the pursuit of de Menezes:

1. The police
2. A shadowy military group

Senior sources in the Metropolitan Police have told The Observer (21 August 2005) that

1. their surveillance officers felt that de Menezes was not about to detonate a bomb,
2. was not armed
3. and was not acting suspiciously.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1553440,00.html

A police source said: 'There is no way those three guys would have been on the train carriage with him [de Menezes] if they believed he was carrying a bomb. Nothing he did gave the surveillance team the impression that he was carrying a device.'

It was only when they were joined by 'armed officers' that things changed.

The Sunday Herald, which often has the best sources on security matters, tells us about the Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR).

http://www.sundayherald.com/51372

The Sunday Herald, 21 August 2005, tells us about the monitoring of the flat in Scotia Road, Tulse Hill, in south London.

The address was said to be linked to alleged bomber Hussein Osman.( Hussain Osman - arrested in Rome )

Among the surveillance team in Scotia Road was a soldier from a new “special forces” regiment -the Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR).

James Cusick, in the Sunday Herald, writes:

"According to security sources, SRR personnel were involved in the tailing operation that saw de Menezes leave the block of flats, board a bus, and then enter the tube station at Stockwell. SRR personnel are also believed to have been on the tube train when he was shot.

"The SRR soldier at Scotia Road (given the codename Tango 10) used equipment which sent realtime pictures of all who came and went from the flats. Those receiving the pictures could check them against footage of who they were looking for. One security source said: 'In this kind of operation you never leave. You need to pee: you use a bottle; if there’s no bottle, tough. You never leave.'

"The police account says there is no footage of de Menezes leaving because the SRR soldier had to relieve himself. The police account says he sent out a message calling the man who left [de Menezes] an 'ICI' – a white northern European...

"Hussein Osman – arrested in Rome and scheduled for deportation to the UK within the next two months – was not an ICI. The CCTV footage of Osman the police held showed an Asian/north African male.

"De Menezes took a bus to Stockwell tube station, stopping briefly at Brixton...

"It is also understood that the senior police officer in charge of the operation, Commander Cressida Dick, had ordered de Menezes at this stage to be detained before he went into the tube station and that he should be alive...

"So why was de Menezes not stopped before the station?"

Both members of the police and the mysterious second group were on the train with de Menezes. Members of the mysterious second group murdered de Menezes.

"A security agency source contacted by the Sunday Herald said: 'This take-out is the signature of a special forces operation. It is not the way the police usually do things.... this has special forces written all over it.'”

The Sunday Herald points out:

"The initial post-mortem report into de Menezes’s death states the young Brazilian had 'vaulted over the ticket barrier'.

"A post-mortem report does not take its information from media reports. The police are contacted directly and written accounts are delivered. Details of the barrier being “vaulted” therefore came from the police. Why?

"And why at 4pm – five hours after the shooting – when the police would have known they had not killed Hussein Osman but a young Brazilian, did Sir Ian hold a press conference and insist that the shooting was 'directly linked' to the anti-terrorist operation?"

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What about the de menezes flat? Did Osman really live there?

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1553440,00.html

From the Observer, 21 August 2005:

"Questions have been raised about the accuracy of the police intelligence that led to the raid on the block of flats occupied by de Menezes. It was initially suggested that the flat was connected to the man known as Hussein Osman, who was arrested in Italy.

"On the Saturday after the shooting, officers raided the flat in a high-profile operation watched by the world's media. As a result, a man, identified only as 'C', was arrested 'on suspicion of the commission, instigation or preparation of acts of terrorism'. But he was released on 30 July with no charge, raising the possibility that the flats had no connection with the bombings."

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Was there a plot to fool the public?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/anthonylarkin.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm

A passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man appeared to be wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out".The 'man' was Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, who was shot by government agents.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4706913.stm

Commuter Anthony Larkin, who was also on the train at Stockwell station, told 5 Live he saw police chasing a man.

"I saw these police officers in uniform and out of uniform shouting 'get down, get down', and I saw this guy who appeared to have a bomb belt and wires coming out and people were panicking and I heard two shots being fired."

...

Is the Anthony Larkin named above the same as the one named below?

www.cmr.qmul.ac.uk/cmrpeople.php?uid=130
(Accessible via a Google search for Anthony Larkin, cached page)

Mr Tony LarkinLead scientist, MET police. Forensic scientist Tel: Location: Mile End. Expertise: Forensic Science

http://news.scotsman.com/headlines.cfm?id=211762005

Anthony Larkin, the lead evidence recovery scientist with the Metropolitan Police...

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Did elements of the security services hope to fool the public into thinking that the person who was shot was one of the 'bombers' such as Hussain Osman - arrested in Rome .

Hussein Osman, who also uses the name Hamdi Isaac, moved to Rome by Eurostar five days after the 21 July attacks in London. His passport was not checked by the British at Waterloo.

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Operation Gladio and the 'strategy of tension' in Italy beginning in 1969.

Operation Gladio was organised by 'fascists' within the security services of the West.

Reportedly, the idea was to kill innocent people and then blame this on others.

Gladio was about keeping the right-wing elite in power.

Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony:

'You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.'

Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti revealed the existence of Gladio in 1991.

Parliamentary investigations in Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have given us a little of the truth.

The book "NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe," by Daniele Ganser documents some of what we know so far.

Run by fascist elements in NATO and Washington, right-wing militias carried out acts of terrorism and electoral subversion in states such as Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Turkey and West Germany.

Gladio was the name used in Italy. In Austria the name was Schwert, Belgium -Sdra 8, Britain - Stay Behind, France - Glaive, Greece -Operation Sheepskin, Holland, Sweden -Sveaborg, Switzerland -P26 and Turkey -Special War Department. [Source: "Operation Gladio." users.westnet.gr/~cgian/gladio.htm]

A Pentagon document, Field Manual FM 30-31B, details the methods for launching terrorist attacks.85 people were killed on August 2, 1980 in the bombing of the Bologna train station.

According to the Italian Senate, after its investigation in 2000, the bombers were later discovered to be "men inside Italian state institutions and ... men linked to the structures of United States intelligence."

The Bologna bomb was part of Gladio's " strategy of tension" - fomenting fear to keep populations in thrall to "strong leaders" who will protect the nation from the ever-present terrorist threat.

The beginning of the 'strategy of tension' in Italy came in Dec. 12, 1969 when a bomb exploded inside the Banca Nazionale dell' Agricoltura in Milan's Piazza Fontana. 16 people were killed and 58 wounded.

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Charles Schuyler, an attorney in Chicago, writes:

Professor, you've brought your ammunition to bear on a completely deserving target, and it's a joy to watch. There's nothing left but rubble.

It's beginning to appear that the closest thing to a substantive case against Cindy Sheehan consists of the following:

1) inconsistencies between her reports (a year apart) of her meeting with that grinning little Texas troll; and

2) her espousal of a series of left of center talking points.

As you've pointed out, the talking points are never, or hardly ever addressed on their merits; it's just assumed she must be loopy, or dishonest, or under undue influence to be expressing these opinions. It should be added, I think, that it is the height of effrontery for Bill O'Reilly, or James Taranto, who never utter anything but predigested right wing bromides, to be
attacking her for following an ideological dance card. I have no idea how well-considered her thoughts on, say, Israel are (urging Israel "to get out of Palestine" certainly cries out for a clarification of terms); but it really is neither here nor there.

I guess that everything else is just undiluted slime. Quite sickening.

Anyway, as someone who's expressed misgivings about your forthrightly brutal polemics, I say now: keep hammering the bastards.

It is my intention to do so.

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