There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Fw: The Japanese have got it!
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
2. Re: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
3. Why 911 Lies are easier to believe than 911 Truth by DAILY HERETIC
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
4. Join the Protest!
From: "november.gale" november.gale@hotmail.com
5. 9/11 EYEWITNESS FOOTAGE,David Icke Interviews
From: "John Fitz" worldordertogo@yahoo.com
6. Uri Avnery: Who's the dog? Who's the tail?
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
7. Re: Zionism and Judaism
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
8. Fwd: Bush Impeachment -- Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
9. CBS 60 MINUTES: CIA LEAK - TOP CIA OFFICAL SPEAKS OUT
From: "APFN" apfn@apfn.org
10. Evidence of Thermite on Core Columns at WTC *PIC*
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
11. Re: Adolf Hitler (1889 - )
From: "Alastair McIntyre" alastairmcintyre79@yahoo.com.au
12. The very rich in America
From: "ranger116@webtv.net" ranger116@webtv.net
13. Re: Illinois State Legislature Preparing to Drop a Bombshell
From: "kitty285" kitty285@charter.net
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Message 1
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:22pm(PDT)
Subject: Fw: The Japanese have got it!
The Japanese have got it!From: Nila Sagadevan
April 22, 2006
Subject: The Japanese have got it!
Dear Chief Fahey,
I urge you to visit the following website of the Tokyo Journal (English version). You'll see that the Japanese have certainly got their facts straight on 9/11. It's truly a shame that the vaunted American "free press" cannot-to be more accurate, will not.
I would think that if for no other reason than to express respect for the many firefighters, amongst others, who lost their lives that day, you and other battalion chiefs owe it to the men under your command to read this and pass it on. Indeed, given the patriotic American that you are, I can only hope you will forward this message to every person you know. This article constitutes an excellent capsule of the myriad disturbing anomalies surrounding the events of 9/11.
It is imperative that Americans understand our nation is in great peril.
Kind regards,
Nila Sagadevan
http://www.tokyo.to/255/911Conspiracy/
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Message 2
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:32pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
I accept what you say as wholly true. I have no clever rejoinder. I will pass this wisdom on to other lists where I have posted and where the issue has come up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Antoky
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:12 PM
Subject: Fw: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
Okay Dick I'll jump in again. If you read my last post about a true Zionist you would understand that Perle, Wolfowitz and Kissinger are not worthy of the term Zionist. The word has a holy connotation to true believing Jewish people and these individuals represent the antithesis. So if certain Jews become ensnared in the plots of Neocons, Globalists, Oligarchs, Militarists, etc. and are somehow made to appear to be supporting 'Zionist' concepts, it is only the plotters who encourage the label 'zionist' or perhaps those aggrieved individuals who need to label the perpetrators and need a convenient label. Zionist sounds like it would work and therefore became a 'dirty word'. Nothing could be further from the truth. These people such as Kissinger, have been manipulated, used, brainwashed, co-opted, and empowered in order to effect the agenda of those Godless individuals who serve only the evil inclination that is part of man, which we are required to conquer each day of our lives. These 'bad guys' have at their core a big zero which means they have no light inside, only darkness. May I reiterate for you Dick that it is unhealthy to use the term Zionist as you do. Misguided, Sabbatean Jews if they happen to be Jewish, but not Zionists, please. In a sense Angie is right because you cannot split true Zionism from Judaism. It's just that the word has been so misused that its meaning has become obscured. Yes there are some dumb Jews or ones that call themselves Jews but they are not representative of the term Jew or Zionist. Their allegiance is to false gods . Call them Luciferians if you like. Try that instead of Zionist. It is more universally understood. And you don't have to be Jewish to be one!
Ray Antoky ,Brooklyn, NY
>>No this is the kind of questioning my position needs to be subjected to. The evidence of a false-flag black-op 9-11 implicates the DoD leadership --- individuals who are Zionists, Globalists, Neocons, Big Business related. We know Kissinger's position at Wolfowitz's Defence Policy Board chaired by Richard Perle -- these men have backgrounds and loyalties -- to what extent do their positions in the guilty Pentagon band implicate those behind them (China and Kissinger, the Rothschilds and Perle, the Rockefellers and Kissinger and Gingrich(also on the board))? We are dealing with well-connected people -- real powers in the capitalist global order -- BUT WHAT ARE THE RIGHT DISCRIMINATIONS TO BE MADE IN POINTING TO THE GUILTY?<<
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@...> wrote:
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> "If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
> reinstatement."
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> I agree with this too. Angie was right to object to my not discriminating between "Jews in general" and those Zionists (groups within the groups of American neo-cons and/or Israeli Mossad) who were part of the 9-11 false-flag black-op. It would be very productive to have Angie employ her "Jared Israel pro-Zionist" orientation to be a watchdog over me to speak out when I use too broad a brush. If you can't banish those you disagree with you might as well engage them point by point for the sake of truth and justice.
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> "If certain Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and influence and
> use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not entitle them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members of the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of their Jewish roots? Too much merging is going on."
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> No this is the kind of questioning my position needs to be subjected to. The evidence of a false-flag black-op 9-11 implicates the DoD leadership --- individuals who are Zionists, Globalists, Neocons, Big Business related. We know Kissinger's position at Wolfowitz's Defence Policy Board chaired by Richard Perle -- these men have backgrounds and loyalties -- to what extent do their positions in the guilty Pentagon band implicate those behind them (China and Kissinger, the Rothschilds and Perle, the Rockefellers and Kissinger and Gingrich(also on the board))? We are dealing with well-connected people -- real powers in the capitalist global order -- BUT WHAT ARE THE RIGHT DISCRIMINATIONS TO BE MADE IN POINTING TO THE GUILTY?
>
> I have been wrong -- not discriminating enough. The job is too big for me -- It is a job for many people with different different backgrounds and standpoints -- Let there be new discussion on this topic -- let angie and dick eastman and everyone one else contribute -- protecting the innocent, uncovering the guilty.
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> DIck Eastman
> Yakima, Washington
> Every man is responsible to every other man.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: samier@...
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:27 PM
> Subject: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
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> The Israel-Palaestina conflict affects me in a special way..my father was born 1942 in Palaestna and few aears later his whole family and lots of friends had to leave their home country and fleed to Jordan because their land was taken away..in 1960 my father left Jordan and came to Germany because it was the only way to support his parents with money,because they were really poor..In Palaestina they ever have been a rich family,but from 1 day to another they lost everything...So there are 2 opinions...But I must say that I`m not a extremist..I was born in Germany and my mother was born here also..For someone from a Near East country my father is really very open minded and very liberal...Far far far away from beeing a fanatic islamist lol..and since looong time German citizen also.
> I have 1 big problem with Israel...Whenever someone citicize their politic,especially as a Grman,you are a antisemite for them (gouverment)..But there are crazy,sick fanatic extremist`s on both sites..not only on the palaestinian site.
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> I`m open for every discussion that base on facts..Every releigion has a lot kinds of secs and soe of them are really far far away from the reality..I only say Bush and his reborn Christ`s..every fanatic group is eally a danger.
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> Sorry if something was OT but for me it was important to write this after I have read something about Zionism here.
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> Greetings from Germany
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> Samier
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> -------Originalmeldung-------
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> Von: Naveed
> Datum: 04/23/06 17:42:28
> An: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
>
> that clears up alot,
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> didn't realize that zionism was an intrinsic part of Judaism, if i'm understanding this correctly, there are fake zionists running around out there giving the real jews a bad name?
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> so how does theodore herzl tie into the zionism?
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> I mean I don't know that's why it is important to have an open discussion instead of slamming people down and banning, angie's crimes. there is no off topic subject because that's contradictory to the no censorship.
>
> you have some place where you can direct me to in order to learn more?
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> I'm taking a vacation from moderation for some time, this whole thing has left me exhausted.
>
> Ray Antoky rayantoky@... wrote:
>
> Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
> First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
> family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
> Judaism.
>
> For many outsiders and non practicing Jews such as Mark Bilk, Judaism
> is some incomprehensible black hole. From the inside, one attempts to
> develop a relationship with the creator based on the words of the
> scriptures and the commentaries. While Jews have met with and earned
> great success throughout the ages they have also suffered greatly,
> due to non-adherence to the tenets of our creed, so the explanation
> is given.
> Religious Jews always yearn for the return to Zion which would be the
> reinstatement of a Jewish theocratic state charcterized with the
> rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem and the coming of the Messiah
> (Mashiach). It has not happened. Jews are still in exile, even those
> living in the land where this redemption should take place. True
> Zionism is merely yearning for this redemption to take place. Rising
> up against those who would attempt to destroy you or prevent you from
> achieving your legitimate objective is required. Non practicing Jews
> whose motivation is unenlightened cannot represent those who
> understand that salvation and reinstatement into a homeland of peace
> cannot happen unless the nation of Jews is deemed worthy. If certain
> Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and influence and
> use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not entitle
> them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is
> Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members of
> the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of
> their Jewish roots?
> Too much merging is going on.
> As we can see from the ugly events that always seem to come to pass
> in the world, mankind has a war with its evil inclination. True
> Judaism encourages the conquering of that inclination.
> Zionism is merely an intrinsic part of Judaism which cannot be
> separated. You cannot be a true Zionist without full acceptance of
> the Truth of all the commandments of the Torah and its commentaries.
> This requires study and doing the research just like Charlie
> Sheen 'did the research'on 9/11. Anyone else claiming to be a Zionist
> is an imposter and anyone separating Zionism from Judaism does not
> understand either term. True Zionism is intrinsic to Judaism, like it
> or not.
>
> Ray Antoky
> Bklyn
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> PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
> reinstatement.
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> In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
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Message 3
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:47pm(PDT)
Subject: Why 911 Lies are easier to believe than 911 Truth by DAILY HERETIC
I posted this earlier but forgot to name the author which was not me
but a Blogger called DAILY HERETIC.
Monday, April 25, 2005
TV News Lies published an essay which shows the main
problem facing 911-truth types when trying to persuade
their fellow citizens (See also Signs of the Times for
some interesting commentary on that essay). The crime
is so big and would require so much rethinking on the
part of people that they won't consider the truth of
the matter no matter how much persuasive evidence is
amassed:
In this post 9/11 era, most Americans are unable
even to consider the possibility of US government
complicity in the attacks on our nation even when
confronted with a mountain of evidence. In contrast,
many of these same people accept far less believable
scenarios simply on the basis of faith and without a
single shred of evidence such as believing in the
existence of a God. Tragically, they seem to have the
exact same blind trust in the Bush administration.
At close inspection, the official version of 9/11
is outrageously full of holes. When those of us who
are knowledgeable discuss the evidence that has been
unearthed about that day, there is so much to reveal
that we don't know where to start or where to stop.
When tapped for what we know, we have so much to
expose that the torrent of information that rushes can
sound like the meaningless rant of a lunatic.
Regardless of how credible or tangible the evidence,
when rolled out in front of the public, it often
sounds too farfetched or irrational to believe.
The facts that have come out about 9/11 differ so
greatly from the official story that they almost defy
validity. On the contrary, the official version is so
simple as to be perfectly believable. It places the
entire blame on the work of a handful of terrorists
who hated us for our freedom. Case closed.
It is important to keep in mind that the 9/11
issue is not simply a question of whose version of a
story is correct. This is a case in which millions of
people would be taking a great risk. They would have
to consider that the very government they have trusted
and supported for more than four years may have
participated in an unthinkable atrocity. That, in
itself, may be impossible. By opening their minds to
an objective examination of what has been discovered
about the 9/11 attacks, millions of Americans would
have to abandon their blind faith in this
administration, and reject the mistaken belief that
those in charge of our nation can do no wrong. That,
too, may be impossible.
Herein lies the paradox. If the American people
want truth they must acknowledge that they have been
deceived. If that were to happen, and if they were to
accept the facts that have been uncovered by the
independent 9/11 research community, their faith in
their government would be irreparably destroyed. In
the long run, it is far easier to maintain one's faith
in a deceptive government than to deal with the
painful details of that deception.
The consequence of such denial is that people end
up believing what they must, rather than what is true.
As time passes, they totally erase the distinction
between fact and fiction in order to believe in their
government, and they find themselves living in the
America of 2005.
...Ironically, it's almost funny when the
fact-based 9/11 research community gathers to discuss
the events of that day. The official government
version of what happened loses so much credibility in
the light of the available facts, films, testimony &
chronicled history that it is almost impossible not to
laugh in disbelief when we start to share what we
know. The evidence that has been amassed is so
persuasive as to rip the official version of 9/11 to
shreds. And still, there is no one but ourselves to
hear us.
We go on and on and on like people obsessed
because as responsible citizens of the world we have
assigned ourselves the task of exposing the truth. But
we also have to accept the obstacles we face. We must
understand how and why people refuse to believe what
we say despite all the evidence in our possession.
...The people who were responsible for the attacks
of 9/11 did something so unbelievable that most people
would not believe they did it, even if presented with
conclusive evidence of their guilt. As a result, they
also carried it off, and the evidence be damned.
In the end, there is always the comment by those
who would discredit the research and the evidence that
has been uncovered. The defenders of the official
version of 9/11 inevitably ask how so many people
could keep a secret. "Wouldn't someone have blown the
whistle by now?" is the constant challenge by the
champions of denial. How naïve they are.
At the higher levels of government the issue is no
longer about secrecy, but about survival. The extent
of the 9/11 crimes are so great that a very real
scenario of self preservation has arisen. Exposing the
truth about 9/11 would virtually mean the end of the
United States of America as a viable power. If the
good people in our government and in our intelligence
community exposed the truth, America would never ever
regain its credibility in the world. We would never
again be respected or trusted. We would immediately
relinquish our leadership position in the world and
sink to the position of a rogue nation that had
committed an unforgivable atrocity against its own
people for political purposes. We would expose the
huge betrayal of trust that has been developed and
nurtured over our 230 year history as a nation.
The minute any ranking government official was
charged with complicity in 9/11, this nation would be
no more. We would never recover. The people who were
involved in 9/11 know this. They know that there is
more at stake than their exposure. They know that once
they did what they did, they would never be held
accountable.... [L]et me be the first to admit that
these folks committed the perfect crime. Not in the
sense that they would not be discovered, but in the
sense they knew it would do more harm to the country
to expose them than it would to play along with them.
The perpetrators of 9/11 knew they were they
protected by the blind loyalty of the American people
who would refuse to believe they could have been
involved. But they had another ace in the hole as
well. They knew that no one who cared for the nation
would reveal the truth, for to seek justice would in
essence bring down the nation.
Bottom line: the truth is out there, the evidence
is real. But there are none so blind as those who will
not see. Think about that, and weep for us all.
This is why it makes no sense to hand the Powers That
Be a gift on a silver platter by closing off inquiry
on the strong possibility that no passenger plane hit
the Pentagon. We can't afford to give up any weapon of
truth in this fight, including the myth that the
United States is a force for good in the world that
sometimes makes "mistakes." We have to attack
(metaphorically speaking, of course) on all fronts.
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Message 4
From: "november.gale" november.gale@hotmail.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:26pm(PDT)
Subject: Join the Protest!
Why don't we all do our part in protest of rising gas prices...do not buy any gasoline
for THREE days starting Wednesday, April 26 and continue that till Saturday morning
before you purchase any gasoline again. You can do it! Stay home for three days if
possible! Do not drive unless absolutely necessary. Truckers, stop driving for three
days to stop the movements of the goods. Gas retailers, shut down your gasoline
pumps! Do not sell or buy gasoline for THREE days!
Those of you who are brave enough and can afford it, don't go to work for three
days! Our Bush Government can't survive a massive shutdown of the industries when
employees join together in the protest for three days...we saw what happened when
the immigrants did a protest a few weeks back. Many companies had to close for the
day. We can do it for THREE days!
Do not buy anything for 3 days. Stock up on food and necessities by Tuesday night.
Do not buy ANYTHING on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, April 26, 27 and 28!
Do not drive! Stay home with the family, work in the garden, play with the children,
spend time with your loved ones or work on your hobbies.
It may be the FINAL push that we all need to get Bush and his corrupt Government
out of the power and restore the country to the TRUE Constitutional government
setting us ALL free for once and all. The gas prices will DROP once Bush and his gang
are out!
Pass this on, LET'S DO IT NOW!
Send this to EVERYONE on your email list if you agree. The words of the email will
multiply rapidly and by Tuesday night, just about EVERYONE in America will know
about it and join in the country-wide protest.
STAY HOME FOR THREE DAYS!!!
DO NOT DRIVE!!!
DO NOT BUY ANYTHING!!!
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Message 5
From: "John Fitz" worldordertogo@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:09pm(PDT)
Subject: 9/11 EYEWITNESS FOOTAGE,David Icke Interviews
9/11 EYEWITNESS FOOTAGE AND DAVID ICKE'S 'WOGAN' INTERVIEW http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/288/61/
Hello David,
Thank you again and again for your work. If you have not seen this video yet, it is well worth a look. I was rummaging through a video streaming site at http://youtube.com/. I put your name in the search and found something very interesting.
[With] your latest Wogan interview is a series of three 911 segments from a fellow that personally video taped the towers prior to there collapse. In the video you can clearly hear a series of very loud explosions going off prior to each building falling. The exact address for the videos is:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sCDUyV6aXeM&search=david%2Bicke
You're doing great and I suggest to everyone to become a premier subscriber, your newsletters are great.
thanks again,
Edward
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9/11 Articles http://www.davidicke.com/content/category/6/19/61/
Former German Minister Says Building 7 Used To Run 9/11 Attack - Friday, 21 April 2006
Chronicle Forced To Issue Retraction On 9/11 Hit Piece - Thursday, 20 April 2006
September 11th: Evidence to the Contrary - Monday, 17 April 2006
Sherlock Holmes And 9/11 - Sunday, 16 April 2006
A Defiant Sheen Challenges Official 9/11 Fable on National TV - Sunday, 16 April 2006
Reinforcing The Official Lie - Friday, 14 April 2006
Journalist Censored Over Charlie Sheen September 11th Article - Thursday, 13 April 2006
Retired Air Force Col: They lied to us about the war and 9/11 - Tuesday, 11 April 2006
9/11 questions explored in new documentary 'Loose Change' - Monday, 10 April 2006
Chairman of 9/11 Whitewash Commission sets stage for Al Qaeda Nuke Attack - Tuesday, 04 April 2006
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Message 6
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:38pm(PDT)
Subject: Uri Avnery: Who's the dog? Who's the tail?
Who's the dog? Who's the tail?
by Uri Avnery
(Saturday April 22 2006)
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"The findings of the two professors are right to the last detail.
Every Senator and Congressman knows
that criticizing the Israeli government is political suicide.
Two of them, a Senator and a Congressman, tried
- and were politically executed.
The Jewish lobby was fully mobilized against them
and hounded them out of office. This was done openly,
to set a public example. If the Israeli government wanted
a law tomorrow annulling the Ten Commandments,
95 Senators (at least) would sign the bill forthwith."
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I don't usually tell these stories, because they might give rise
to the suspicion that I am paranoid. For example:
27 years ago, I was invited to give a lecture-tour in 30 U.S.
universities, including all the most prestigious ones
- Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Berkeley and so on.
My host was the Fellowship of Reconciliation, a respected
non- Jewish organization, but the lectures themselves were
to be held under the auspices of the Jewish Bet-Hillel chaplains.
On arrival at the airport in New York,
I was met by one of the organizers.
"There is a slight hitch," he told me,
"29 of the Rabbis have cancelled your lecture."
In the end, all the lectures did take place, under the auspices
of Christian chaplains. When we came to the lone Rabbi
who had not cancelled my lecture, he told me the secret:
the lectures had been forbidden in a confidential letter
from the Anti-Defamation League, the thought-police
of the Jewish establishment.
The salient phrase has stuck to my memory:
"While it cannot be said that Member of the Knesset
Avnery is a traitor, yet…"
And another story from real life: a year later I went to
Washington DC in order to "sell" the Two-State solution,
which at the time was considered an outlandish,
not to say crazy, idea. In the course of the visit, the Quakers
were so kind as to arrange a press conference for me.
When I arrived, I was amazed. The hall was crammed full,
practically all the important American media were represented.
Many had come straight from a press conference
held by Golda Meir, who was also in town.
The event was to last an hour, as is usual,
but the journalists did not let go.
They bombarded me with questions for another two hours.
Clearly, what I had to say was quite new to them
and they were interested.
I was curious how this would be reported in the media.
And indeed, the reaction was stunning: not a word appeared
in any of the newspapers, on radio or TV.
Not one single word.
By the way, three years ago I again held a press conference,
this time on Capitol Hill in Washington.
It was an exact replica of the last time: the crowd of reporters,
their obvious interest, the continuation of the conference
well beyond the appointed time
- and not a single word in the media.
I could tell some more stories like these, but the point is made.
I recount them only in connection with the scandal
recently caused by two American professors,
Stephen Walt of Harvard and John Mearsheimer
of the University of Chicago.
They published a research paper on the influence
of the Israel lobby in the United States.
In 80 pages, 40 of them footnotes and sources, the two
show how the pro-Israel lobby exercises unbridled power
in the US capital, how it terrorizes the members of the Senate
and the House of Representatives, how the White House
dances to its tune (if indeed a house can dance),
how the important media obey its orders
and how the universities, too, live in fear of it.
The paper caused a storm. And I don't mean the predictable
wild attacks by the "friends of Israel" - which means
almost all politicians, journalists and professors.
These pelted the authors with all the usual accusations:
that they were anti-Semites, that they were resurrecting
the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and so forth.
There was something paradoxical in these attacks,
since they only illustrated the authors' case.
But the debate that fascinates me is of a different nature.
It broke out between senior intellectuals, from the legendary
Noam Chomsky, the guru of the Left throughout the world
(including Israel), to progressive websites everywhere.
The bone of contention: the conclusion of the paper
that the Jewish-Israeli lobby dominates US foreign policy
and subjugates it to Israeli interests
- in glaring contradiction
to the national interest of the US itself.
A case in point: the American assault on Iraq.
Chomsky and others rose up against this assertion.
They do not deny the factual findings of the two professors,
but object to their conclusions. In their view, it is not the
Israel lobby that directs American policy, but the interests
of the big corporations that dominate the American empire
and exploit Israel for their own selfish aims.
Simply put: does the dog wag its tail,
or does the tail wag its dog?
I am nervous about sticking my head into a debate
between such illustrious intellectuals,
but I feel obliged to express my view nevertheless.
I'll start with the Jew, who went to the Rabbi and complained
about his neighbor. "You are right'" the Rabbi declared.
Then came the neighbor and denounced the complainant.
"You are right'" the Rabbi announced.
"But how can that be," exclaimed the Rabbi's wife,
"Only one of the two can be right!"
"You are right, too," the Rabbi said.
I find myself in a similar situation.
I think that both sides are right (and hope to be right, myself, too).
The findings of the two professors are right to the last detail.
Every Senator and Congressman knows that criticizing
the Israeli government is political suicide.
Two of them, a Senator and a Congressman, tried
- and were politically executed. The Jewish lobby was fully
mobilized against them and hounded them out of office.
This was done openly, to set a public example.
If the Israeli government wanted a law tomorrow
annulling the Ten Commandments, 95 Senators
(at least) would sign the bill forthwith.President Bush,
for example, has withdrawn from all the established
American positions regarding our conflict.
He accepts automatically the positions of our government,
be they as they may. Almost all the American media
are closed to Palestinians and Israeli peace activists.
As to professors - almost all of them know which side
of their bread is peanut-buttered. If, in spite of that,
somebody dares to open their mouth against the Israeli policy
- as happens once every few years
- they are smothered under a volley of denunciations:
anti-Semite, Holocaust denier, neo-Nazi.
By the way, American guests in Israel, who know
that at home it is forbidden to mention the influence
of the Jewish-Israeli lobby, are dumbfounded to see
that here the lobby does not hide its power in Washington
but openly boasts of it.
The question, therefore, is not whether
the two professors are right in their findings.
The question is what conclusions can be drawn from them.
Let's take the Iraq affair. Who is the dog? Who the tail?
The Israeli government prayed for this attack,
which has eliminated the strategic threat posed by Iraq.
America was pushed into the war by a group
of Neo-Conservatives, almost all of them Jews,
who had a huge influence on the White House.
In the past, some of them had acted as advisers
to Binyamin Netanyahu.
On the face of it, a clear case.
The pro-Israeli lobby pushed for the war,
Israel is its main beneficiary.
If the war ends in a disaster for America,
Israel will undoubtedly be blamed.
Really?
What about the American aim of getting their hands
on the main oil reserves of the world,
in order to dominate the world economy?
What about the aim of placing an American garrison
in the center of the main oil-producing area,
on top of the Iraqi oil, between the oil of Saudi Arabia,
Iran and the Caspian Sea?
What about the immense influence
of the big oil companies on the Bush family?
What about the big multinational corporations, whose
outstanding representative is Dick Cheney,
that hoped to make hundreds of billions from the
"reconstruction of Iraq"?
The lesson of the Iraq affair is that the American-Israeli
connection is strongest when it seems that American
interests and Israeli Interests are one (irrespective
of whether that is really the case in the long run).
The US uses Israel to dominate the Middle East,
Israel uses the US to dominate Palestine.
But if something exceptional happens, such as
the Jonathan Pollard espionage affair or the sale
of an Israeli spy plane to China, and a gap opens
between the interests of the two sides,
America is quite capable of slapping Israel in the face.
American-Israeli relations are indeed unique.
It seems that they have no precedent in history.
It is as if King Herod had given orders to Augustus Caesar
and appointed the members of the Roman senate.
I don't think that this phenomenon can be wholly explained
by economic interests. Even the most orthodox Marxist
must recognize that it also has a spiritual dimension.
It is no accident that American (as well as British)
fundamentalist Christians invented the Zionist idea
well before Theodor Herzl hit upon it.
The evangelical lobby is no less important
in today's Washington than the Zionist one.
According to its ideology, the Jews must take possession
of all the Holy Land in order to make the Second Coming
of Christ possible (and then - the part they don't shout about
- some Jews will become Christians and the rest
will be annihilated at Armaggedon,
today's Meggido in Northern Israel).
At the basis of the phenomenon lies the uncanny similarity
between the two national-religious stories, the American myth
and the Israeli. In both, pioneers persecuted for their religion
reached the shores of the Promised Land.
They were forced to defend themselves against the
"savage" natives, who were out to destroy them.
They redeemed the land, made the desert bloom, created,
with God's help, a flourishing, democratic and moral society.
Both societies live in a state of denial and unconscious
guilt feelings - over there because of the genocide
committed against the Native Americans
and the horrifying slavery of the blacks, here because of
the uprooting of half the Palestinian people
and the oppression of the other half.
Both here and there, people believe in an eternal war
between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness.
Anyhow, The American-Israeli symbiosis is unique
and far too complex a phenomenon
to be described as a simple conspiracy.
I am sure that the two professors did not mean to do so.
The dog wags the tail and the tail wags the dog.
They wag each other.
Source:
by courtesy & © 2006 Uri Avnery
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Message 7
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:36pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Judaism
One cannot be a good jew and be a zionist. One does not have to be jewish to be a zionist, either. There are christian zionists and more than likely others too. A jewish homeland/country is not supposed to be until there is total peace in the world, christ returns and especially not by "force." Zionism is totally against the Torah. For more info, check out this web site. www.jewsagainstzionism.com Check it out. And there are many other web sites like it. True Torah Jews and Rabbis are against zionism, the state of Israel.
Ray Antoky <rayantoky@aol.com> wrote:
Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
Judaism.
For many outsiders and non practicing Jews such as Mark Bilk, Judaism
is some incomprehensible black hole. From the inside, one attempts to
develop a relationship with the creator based on the words of the
scriptures and the commentaries. While Jews have met with and earned
great success throughout the ages they have also suffered greatly,
due to non-adherence to the tenets of our creed, so the explanation
is given.
Religious Jews always yearn for the return to Zion which would be the
reinstatement of a Jewish theocratic state charcterized with the
rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem and the coming of the Messiah
(Mashiach). It has not happened. Jews are still in exile, even those
living in the land where this redemption should take place. True
Zionism is merely yearning for this redemption to take place. Rising
up against those who would attempt to destroy you or prevent you from
achieving your legitimate objective is required. Non practicing Jews
whose motivation is unenlightened cannot represent those who
understand that salvation and reinstatement into a homeland of peace
cannot happen unless the nation of Jews is deemed worthy. If certain
Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and influence and
use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not entitle
them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is
Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members of
the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of
their Jewish roots?
Too much merging is going on.
As we can see from the ugly events that always seem to come to pass
in the world, mankind has a war with its evil inclination. True
Judaism encourages the conquering of that inclination.
Zionism is merely an intrinsic part of Judaism which cannot be
separated. You cannot be a true Zionist without full acceptance of
the Truth of all the commandments of the Torah and its commentaries.
This requires study and doing the research just like Charlie
Sheen 'did the research'on 9/11. Anyone else claiming to be a Zionist
is an imposter and anyone separating Zionism from Judaism does not
understand either term. True Zionism is intrinsic to Judaism, like it
or not.
Ray Antoky
Bklyn
PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
reinstatement.
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Message 8
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:06pm(PDT)
Subject: Fwd: Bush Impeachment -- Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Our zionist pres may get what he deserves. I hope this zionist, war mongering administration, each and every one of them is tried for treason, no less. For every crime starting with the murdering of 3000 or so Americans during 9-11 and all the other crimes there after.
Supreme Law Firm <paulandrewmitchell2004@yahoo.com> wrote: http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_060422_bush_impeachment___t.htm
Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell
The Illinois General Assembly is about to rock the nation.
Members of state legislatures are normally not considered as having the ability to decide issues with a massive impact to the nation as a whole.
Representative Karen A. Yarbrough of Illinois' 7th District is about to shatter that perception forever.
Representative Yarbrough stumbled on a little known and never utlitized rule of the US House of Representatives, Section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of the Rules of the United States House of Representatives, which allows federal impeachment proceedings to be initiated by joint resolution of a state legislature.
From there, Illinois House Joint Resolution 125 (hereafter to be referred to as HJR0125) was born.
full article follows:
April 22, 2006
Bush Impeachment -
The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell
Utilizing a little known rule of the US House
to bring Impeachment charges
by Steven Leser
http://www.opednews.com
The Illinois General Assembly is about to rock the nation.
Members of state legislatures are normally not considered as having the ability to decide issues with a massive impact to the nation as a whole.
Representative Karen A. Yarbrough of Illinois' 7th District is about to shatter that perception forever.
Representative Yarbrough stumbled on a little known and never utlitized rule of the US House of Representatives, Section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of the Rules of the United States House of Representatives, which allows federal impeachment proceedings to be initiated by joint resolution of a state legislature.
From there, Illinois House Joint Resolution 125 (hereafter to be referred to as HJR0125) was born.
Detailing five specific charges against President Bush including one that is specified to be a felony, the complete text of HJR0125 is copied below at the end of this article.
One of the interesting points is that one of the items, the one specified as a felony, that the NSA was directed by the President to spy on American citizens without warrant, is not in dispute.
That fact should prove an interesting dilemma for a Republican controlled US House that clearly is not only loathe to initiate impeachment proceedings, but does not even want to thoroughly investigate any of the five items brought up by the Illinois Assembly as high crimes and/or misdemeanors.
Should HJR0125 be passed by the Illinois General Assembly, the US House will be forced by House Rules to take up the issue of impeachment as a privileged bill, meaning it will take precedence over other House business.
The Illinois General Assembly joins a growing chorus of voices calling for censure or impeachment of President Bush including Democratic state committees in Vermont, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada and North Carolina as well as the residents themselves of seven towns in Vermont, seventy Vermont state legislators and Congressman John Conyers.
The call for impeachment is starting to grow well beyond what could be considered a fringe movement.
An ABC News/Washington Post Poll Conducted April 6-9 showed that 33% of Americans currently support Impeaching President Bush, coincidentally, only a similar amount supported impeaching Nixon at the start of the Watergate investigation.
If and when Illinois HJR0125 hits the Capitol and the individual charges are publicly investigated, that number is likely to grow rapidly.
Combined with the very real likelihood that Rove is about to be indicted in the LeakGate investigation, and Bush is in real trouble beyond his plummeting poll numbers.
His cronies in the Republican dominated congress will probably save him from the embarassment of an impeachment conviction, for now, but his Presidency will be all but finished.
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HJ0125 LRB094 20306 RLC 58347 r
1 HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION
2 WHEREAS, Section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of the Rules of
3 the United States House of Representatives allows federal
4 impeachment proceedings to be initiated by joint resolution of
5 a state legislature; and
6 WHEREAS, President Bush has publicly admitted to ordering
7 the National Security Agency to violate provisions of the 1978
8 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, a felony, specifically
9 authorizing the Agency to spy on American citizens without
10 warrant; and
11 WHEREAS, Evidence suggests that President Bush authorized
12 violation of the Torture Convention of the Geneva Conventions,
13 a treaty regarded a supreme law by the United States
14 Constitution; and
15 WHEREAS, The Bush Administration has held American
16 citizens and citizens of other nations as prisoners of war
17 without charge or trial; and
18 WHEREAS, Evidence suggests that the Bush Administration
19 has manipulated intelligence for the purpose of initiating a
20 war against the sovereign nation of Iraq, resulting in the
21 deaths of large numbers of Iraqi civilians and causing the
22 United States to incur loss of life, diminished security and
23 billions of dollars in unnecessary expenses; and
24 WHEREAS, The Bush Administration leaked classified
25 national secrets to further a political agenda, exposing an
26 unknown number of covert U. S. intelligence agents to potential
27 harm and retribution while simultaneously refusing to
28 investigate the matter; and
29 WHEREAS, The Republican-controlled Congress has declined
HJ0125 - 2 - LRB094 20306 RLC 58347 r
1 to fully investigate these charges to date; therefore, be it
2 RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
3 NINETY-FOURTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE
4 SENATE CONCURRING HEREIN, that the General Assembly of the
5 State of Illinois has good cause to submit charges to the U. S.
6 House of Representatives under Section 603 that the President
7 of the United States has willfully violated his Oath of Office
8 to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United
9 States; and be it further
10 RESOLVED, That George W. Bush, if found guilty of the
11 charges contained herein, should be removed from office and
12 disqualified to hold any other office in the United States.
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He has held positions within the Democratic Party including District Chair and Public Relations Chair within county organizations.
His coverage of the Ohio Presidential Recount in 2004 was distinguished by actual interviews with Carlo Loparo, spokesperson for the Ohio Secretary of State, along with Supervisors of Elections of several Ohio counties.
Similar efforts on other topics to get first hand information from sources separate Mr. Leser from many of his contemporaries.
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Message 9
From: "APFN" apfn@apfn.org
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:13pm(PDT)
Subject: CBS 60 MINUTES: CIA LEAK - TOP CIA OFFICAL SPEAKS OUT
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Message 10
From: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:56pm(PDT)
Subject: Evidence of Thermite on Core Columns at WTC *PIC*
Why it was the kerosene (jp4) that burned that steel column in half!!!!!!!!
Evidence of Thermite on Core Columns at WTC *PIC* Posted By: ChristopherBollyn <Send E-Mail>
Date: Friday, 21 April 2006, 4:19 p.m. In Response To: The White Flames of Thermite at the WTC *PIC* (ChristopherBollyn) There is substantial evidence that thermite was used to cut the central support columns, which caused the towers to fall. Evidence can be seen on photographs of the columns from the rubble of the World Trade Center. In this photo, for example, the column directly above the fireman's helmet shows that it was cut with thermite. There is a substantial amount of hardened molten iron which can be seen on both the inside and outside of the box column. This is precisely what one would expect to find on a column which had been cut with thermite. Experts who have viewed this photograph say that this column was not cut with a torch.
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ChristopherBollyn -- Friday, 21 April 2006, 3:47 p.m.
The White Flames of Thermite at the WTC *PIC* (views: 1684)
ChristopherBollyn -- Friday, 21 April 2006, 4:07 p.m.
Evidence of Thermite on Core Columns at WTC *PIC* (views: 4491)
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Photo of Thermite Cut Core Columns Falling *PIC* (views: 1522)
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Message 11
From: "Alastair McIntyre" alastairmcintyre79@yahoo.com.au
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 0:31am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler (1889 - )
I read the last paragraph and that was enough, a monster like Adolph, will only be rembered by the world as a ruthless murderer!.
Racists like you should go back to school.
DIE NAZI SCUM! IK HAAT NAZIS!
The Jewish History Series <joohistory@yahoo.com> wrote:
ADOLF HITLER (1889 - )
He was born into humble circumstances, the son of an obscure civil servant in a remote corner of a crumbling empire, yet his name resounds throughout the world to this day.
He was rejected by the universities of his time for formal enrollment in art and in architecture, and yet he erected mighty buildings and monuments, and today a simple postcard that he drew in ink or charcoal fetches staggering sums at auction.
He never achieved more than a public school education, yet he wrote a book which has outsold every other book in history except for the Bible.
He fought as a front line soldier through all four years of the greatest war in history up to that time, never rising above the rank of corporal, but he won both of his country's highest decorations for bravery under fire and rose to command the
mightiest armies on earth.
Almost unique in the history of his century, he was not a lawyer or an aristocrat or a man of inherited wealth and privilege, but a man who once earned his daily bread with the labor of his hands, and yet he conquered politics and rose to the leadership of the most brilliant and creative nation on earth.
So that his people might travel across the land he loved quickly and cheaply, he created a simple and sturdy automobile still in use today, and a network of highways that still spans Germany.
His game and forestry laws are still in force, and are praised by ecologists as a model of environmental protection.
His economic program received the sincerest form of flattery from the loathsome Roosevelt, who stole it and copied it into the context of the American Depression as his own.
Every man who ever met him personally, even those who became his bitterest enemies, spoke of him forever afterwards with awe and admiration.
His courtesy and his gallantry toward women were legendary. With his power and his prestige he could have had any woman he wanted, but the woman he chose as his life's partner, and who eventually died by his side, was a simple and humble daughter of the people.
He did not drink. He did not smoke. He was a lifelong lover of animals and children and was happiest in the company of toddlers rather than statesmen and soldiers, and no one ever overheard him use a profane word or tell a smutty joke.
He lifted his people up from the mud of defeat and despair and alien domination, and he died trying to do the same for all of us.
To this day, his memory is kept green by the Aryan peoples of Germany and the world, even though it means prison, and in some countries death, to honor him or his legacy within the sight or hearing of the tyrant. He has been slandered, vilified, lied about, cursed, distorted, and damned every day since his death by the most powerful and evil tyranny mankind has ever known, and yet his name and his Symbol cannot be suppressed by force or by
propaganda.
As we begin this new Millennium, his book is read and his name
is on more lips than ever before and his image and his strength fills the hearts of a whole new generation of young Aryan men and women. He is invincible and immortal, and Victory shall one day be his.
He holds out his hand to us all. He offers us his strength and his wisdom, at a time when we so badly need both. Let us keep him always in our hearts and our minds and our souls, until the day comes when once more we may speak his name aloud and raise on high the sacred Banner for which he and so many millions more lived and died.
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Message 12
From: "ranger116@webtv.net" ranger116@webtv.net
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 0:45am(PDT)
Subject: The very rich in America
The very rich in America
I am no expert on this but since it is simple math you do not need to
be.
# 1 if people inherited their wealth (Especially since 1962 when gold
and silver were removed from backing up the US paper dollar) Then to a
certain extent these people just inherited in their and the local
Jendarm's minds the right to work you as a slave !
That simple ! Wake up - Kill them if needed !
Second if they did not inherit it but worked you for $5/8/10/12 dollars
an hour while they made a $100 dollars an hour off of each of your work
hours - Again KIll them, You out number them and you have more guns than
their police and private guards have, Of course you should talk to them
first and see if they would rather pay you half of that $100 dollars an
hour you are earning for them ?
They probably will say No - So go ahead and kill them !
Preferably slowly and painfully the same way that member of your family
died without proper medical care due to no medical insurance !
Or you could just go on being sheep.
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Message 13
From: "kitty285" kitty285@charter.net
Date: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:15am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Illinois State Legislature Preparing to Drop a Bombshell
This won't open for me.
Kitty
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