Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911TruthAction] Digest Number 1244

Monday, April 24, 2006

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1244

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Illinois State Legislature Preparing to Drop a Bombshell
From: "november.gale" november.gale@hotmail.com
2. On 2-Camp Rigid Lines Drawn - What For?
From: "Cathy Garger" savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com
3. Anyone out there in Oklahoma City?
From: "janet phelan" jcphelan10@yahoo.com
4. Zionism and Judaism
From: "Ray Antoky" rayantoky@aol.com
5. Fwd: Eric Hufschmid on fake 9-11 "truth seekers"
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." prez@usa-exile.org
6. Re: Zionism and Judaism
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
7. A Day in the LIfe: 4/23/6
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." prez@usa-exile.org
8. Re: Zionism and Judaism
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
9. Re: Zionism and Judaism
From: "JP Liggett" JP@JPLiggett.com
10. Bush Meets Quietly with Iran War Supporters! tvnl news
From: "reggie501" reggie501@optonline.net
11. Why 911 Lies are easier to believe than 911 Truth
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
12. Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
From: "samier@web.de" samier@web.de
13. Sean McBride: Neoconservatism: The Short Definition
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
14. Who is a True Zionist?
From: "Ray Antoky" rayantoky@aol.com
15. Fw: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
16. !!! --> ILLINOIS Legislature to Initiate Impeachment of Bush !!!
From: "ranger116@webtv.net" ranger116@webtv.net
17. Fw: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
From: "Ray Antoky" rayantoky@aol.com
18. Re: [Conspiracy-Theory] Re: The Islam and Nazi Alliance - PHOTOS And
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
19. I've Started a 911 Questions/Concerned Citizens Group in DALLAS
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
20. UNITED 93 Movie: has a message board.
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
21. Re: Who is a True Zionist?
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
22. Re: Fw: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
23. Re: Who is a True Zionist?
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
24. With the zionism issue settled.....
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
25. Fw: Have the Neocons Already Destroyed the United States?
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net

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Message 1
From: "november.gale" november.gale@hotmail.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:30am(PDT)
Subject: Illinois State Legislature Preparing to Drop a Bombshell

http://www.opednews.com/articles/
opedne_steven_l_060422_bush_impeachment___t.htm

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Message 2
From: "Cathy Garger" savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:39am(PDT)
Subject: On 2-Camp Rigid Lines Drawn - What For?

This is in response to a letter I received from a 9/11 researcher. I do not like to cross-post to other groups others' responses (I have come to believe that it is a breach of confidentiality), so I will include only my own responses here and not the other person's comments.

While I appreciate your time, I do already recognize the techniques and tactics that the Dark Side is using to become more credible and believable, to attract a larger flock of truth-tellers, to control what the most effective activists do, to water-down their effectiveness, to keep tabs on them, to bring in trusted noteworthy names in order to prop themselves up to higher standing... So many tactics are used that some researcher could write an entire book on "Tactics of the Dark Side of the 9/11 Movement: A 5-Year Not So Happy Anniversary Recap."

This brings to mind an entire discussion that would take forever to write, but bears a full analysis by someone, which is, basically: How far is each of us willing to go to get out the truth?

It is a fascinating thing to behold... How some who wish to reach the masses of Millions are absolutely willing to do what others consider "selling out." Their motivation may be something to the effect, "I need to get out this message, this research, this truth, this warning, to literally all of America, and if the Dark Side is willing to help me achieve that and reach Millions of Americans I could never, ever hope to reach on my own? Then that's what I've gotta do. So be it."

Then you've got the other camp, those who work alone at their computers or mailing out DVDs, who will work with no one with even remotely-questionable motives. These folks are of the belief that there is nothing in the world that will make them speak at an event or hold a presentation with anyone who does not share the exact same opinion on every single issue of the most cutting edge, current 9/11 research...

Then there is something else that comes to mind. I often see an attempt to divide people into 2 camps. And in this way of thinking, 9/11 is very black and white and you are either in one camp or the other. There is neither forgiveness nor tolerance if someone is just not up to speed with the latest hot 9/11 topic, or is undecided, or has not read or processed all the recent research.

I love to watch who attacks these made-out-to-be-ignorant people and how they carry out these attacks. There is tremendous ego going on within these attacking individuals (or, sometimes, something far more insidious than merely ego, a well-paid individual with skillful knowledge and use of psy ops techniques), who seem to feel better about themselves when they prove how much they know or how great they are by putting others down as merely dumb, innocent, naive, trusting, facile, or ignoramuses. Sometimes the attacks upon these "unenlightened" people will even become even more harsh, such as questioning the "unenlightened's" motives if they do not hold the exact same viewpoint of the latest "pet" research issue-of-the-week of their attacker.

Are you a plane-hugger or no-planer, for example? I never really understood the need to sharply define and separate people so rigidly. With each new stage of research, there seems to be the need to sharply delineate everyone down the line. For example, if you've got some guy who doesn't know what the hell happened with a plane or not a plane, but the guy knows that the entire world was told a sack of lies about 9/11 and he knows with utmost certainty that it was his very own government that DID 9/11, and he is willing to put untold sums of his own money into hiring legal counsel to investigate and prosecute the actual perpetrators... does the fact that he has not decided about a plane or not a plane even matter one bit at all when all is said and done?

Fascinating stuff to ponder, isn't it? It makes one stop, pause, and consider exactly what is the agenda behind each person who claims to be a 9/11 researcher, writer, and/or activist? Is it to find out the latest research and ostracize those who do not possess the same level of sophistication? Or, is it to actually find better ways to alert great numbers of citizens of the dastardly malevolent entity that completely controls the Evil Empire that is not merely just willing but prepared to launch another imminent attack on its very own people, in their "Homeland," when the timing is just right?"

What motivates, what drives, what feeds the passions of a 9/11 truth activist seems to differ widely from one person to the next. And sometimes it is truly fascinating to observe and contemplate what could possibly motivate those who seem to relish creating a public scene of discord and demoralization of the truly well-intentioned.

With these attackers, one can not help but wonder, is it "merely" high ego and craving to feel important and superior, or is it something more?

Cathy Garger

>> Hi All,
>>
>> A friend forwarded to me a discussion from this group on the subject of
>> the new group Veterans for 9/11 Truth.
>>
>> The http://www.v911t.org/ site was started after one Vietnam Vet, Alf,
>> who is a AM Scholar, read my article on "It Only Takes One," which was
>> posted by someone on the Scholars site.
>>
>> I have been in correspondence with this fellow, Alf, and have told him I
>> think that it is obvious by what articles and videos, etc, that he
>> featured on this website that he believes in 9/11 as an Inside Job and
> wants vets to learn about this. I also committed to doing whatever I can to support
>> his efforts.
>>
>> We had a long conversation and Alf wants to do the right thing by
>> getting vets together to work around the issues of public education around>>
> 9/11 as an inside job as well as do outreach to teach other un-knowing vets
> aboutthis.
>>
>> I was not consulted in the web design for that site, nor asked about
>> which links that should be posted, for that matter, because the site was
>> already established when my friend told me that such a group and website
>> already exists.
>>
>> Over time, as we get to know one another better I will, of course,
>> explain why I might suggest different links, resources, etc. for his site.
>>
> But it is not my site in any way - It belongs to the vets and whatever they
>> care to do with it will be their decision (as I am not a vet).
>>
>> I agree that Chomsky is certainly anything but a friend of 9/11 truth.
>> And as far as promoting the 9/11 Chicago conference? I have not done
> this, but do believe that if Webster Tarpley and Dr. Steven Jones will be
>> speaking there, then people who are interested in learning about 9/11
would be well served to go see them.
>>
>> The only comment I will make about 911truth.org is that the last time I
>> looked, it appeared to feature some inside job things even on the front
>> page now. For example, the home page features Tarpley's book and the
>> 911blogger.com and George Washington blog. I wrote to Janice Matthews and
>> expressed appreciation around the their inclusion of inside job
> information. (Maybe too many people complained that they were limited hangout only and people stopped visiting the site? I don't know). But yes, granted, the site does still contain limited hangout information, as well.
>>
>> Please have no fears about me going over to the Dark Side just because I
>> support a vet who is doing the right thing but who may not have yet woken
>> up with regards to Chomsky... As I learned myself, waking up to 9/11 is
>> sometimes a gradual process and what seems like truth initially often
becomes more apparent as limited hangout the more and more one digs more deeply.
>>
>> As far as what should we all do at this point? I believe that all of the
>> federal gang should be prosecuted for their high crimes including treason.
>> They should then be thrown in the jail for the rest of their lives. And
>> this fate, too, should be doled out for all those in positions of power
who fully realize what happened and have done nothing to stop this. Yes,
>> effectively that would probably be just about all of Congress.
>>
>> The American public, thanks to some new groups and a flurry of some
>> mainstream media appearances, seem to becoming more and more awake. It is
>> getting to the point now where all of us should start taking up a
> collection for nothing short of very lengthy Geneva-style Conventions and call it
>> Nuremberg II.
>>
>> All of the federal criminals need to be tried in international war
>> crimes trials for everything they have done, starting with planning and
>> carrying out the 9/11 attacks, for the resulting crimes against Afghanistan and
>> Iraq that have affected not just our own 3,000 on 9/11 and tens of
>> thousands of dead, dying, and injured soldiers, but literally now millions upon
>> millions who are poisoned with our Deadly Uranium (DU) munitions.
>>
>> I have been reading up on DU use since 1991 and learned that it has
>> spread all over the world, and that Europe and other parts of Asia have
>> been heavily hit with both US and NATO use of the uranium weapons. We have
>> effectively nuked the planet and destroyed human DNA forevermore. Talk
>> about arapid extinction of the human race, thanks to good ol' US psychopathic
>> war-makers who were fully aware of all of this since 1943 - but yet? They did
> > this anyway and on purpose.
>>
>> I'm coming to the conclusion that unless every single one of us starts
>> stashing away money in our piggy banks to fund these types of prosecution
>> trials for 9/11 and for the mass genocide of millions that have followed
>> since Afghanistan and Iraq, that no one in a position of power in our
> federal government is ever going to do a thing.
>>
>> This entire movement of prosecution is going to have to be undertaken by
>> average Americans. And, admittedly, altho' it is mind-boggling to even
>> conceive how to even *begin* to orchestrate something of such large
>> magnitude without the efforts being, shall we say "controlled" or "compromised"...
>> there is no way that the perpetrators are ever going to try themselves for
>> their crimes.
>>
>> The world is watching. They know that our "leaders" (such an
>> inappropriate word) did 9/11 and are effectively nuking the entire world. They know
> >> that we are sitting around doing nothing effective to stop them.
>>
>> It is getting to the point where all of us who have been "awakened" to
>> 9/11 as an inside job are going to have to find a way to get together and
>> put these trials for prosecution of 9/11 and war trials for Afghanistan
>> and Iraq as well as trials against for US military's crimes against humanity
>> into effect and imprison the murderers - all of them - before they do any
>> more damage to any more people.
>>
>> Nope, I haven't sold out.
>>
>> Best to all,
>>
>> Cathy Garger
>> http://mytown.ca/garger/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Message 3
From: "janet phelan" jcphelan10@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:46am(PDT)
Subject: Anyone out there in Oklahoma City?

Reporter Susan Lindauer has been moved from Carswell
Federal Prison Mental Hospital to a holding facility
in Oklahoma City. I had been organizing patriots in
the Austin area to demonstrate for her release, and
found out a few days ago she was just movved to O.C.

For those unaware of the violations of First Amendment
and basic human rights that this
activist/dissident/journalist has suffered, you may
read about her by googling her. In a nutshell, after
a period of activism in terms of the Iraqi war, and
after putting out information contrary to the official
story about Lockerbie, she was charged as a spy. The
charges were reduced to "inappropriate lobbying," and
the judge remanded her six months ago to four months
of psychiatric observation at Carswell. After a
series of inaccurate reports by her attending
psychiatrists (deemed inaccurate by the court), her
stay was extended and there is now a move by the
government to have her forciblly medicated.

There are only two ways in our country at this time
that one can be detained against one's will: the
commission of a crime (or the perception of the
commission of a crime), and the "mental health"
detainment. Considering the fate of others I know of
in "mental health" detainment , this can be considered
a very unhealthy situation. When the wife of the
Attorney General John Mitchell was put in "mental
health" detainment after she started raising hell
about Watergate, she soon died at that hospital. And
there are others....

The government is going to court on May 3 for the
purposes of getting a court order to have her forcibly
medicated. I believe at that point in time, we will
lose any chance of saving Susan Lindauer.

This is not only a "quality of life" issue for Susan
Lindauer. It may be a "life" issue for her. I know
that you do not personally know this woman. As she is
not in your circle of family and friends, it may be
easy to ignore the her plight. I have a question for
those receiving this email--If we do not stand up for
her, who will stand up for us?

If there are any concerned patriots in Oklahoma City,
please make contact with me.

Janet C. Phelan
janetcphelan@yahoo.com

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Message 4
From: "Ray Antoky" rayantoky@aol.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:50am(PDT)
Subject: Zionism and Judaism

Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
Judaism.

For many outsiders and non practicing Jews such as Mark Bilk, Judaism
is some incomprehensible black hole. From the inside, one attempts to
develop a relationship with the creator based on the words of the
scriptures and the commentaries. While Jews have met with and earned
great success throughout the ages they have also suffered greatly,
due to non-adherence to the tenets of our creed, so the explanation
is given.
Religious Jews always yearn for the return to Zion which would be the
reinstatement of a Jewish theocratic state charcterized with the
rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem and the coming of the Messiah
(Mashiach). It has not happened. Jews are still in exile, even those
living in the land where this redemption should take place. True
Zionism is merely yearning for this redemption to take place. Rising
up against those who would attempt to destroy you or prevent you from
achieving your legitimate objective is required. Non practicing Jews
whose motivation is unenlightened cannot represent those who
understand that salvation and reinstatement into a homeland of peace
cannot happen unless the nation of Jews is deemed worthy. If certain
Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and influence and
use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not entitle
them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is
Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members of
the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of
their Jewish roots?
Too much merging is going on.
As we can see from the ugly events that always seem to come to pass
in the world, mankind has a war with its evil inclination. True
Judaism encourages the conquering of that inclination.
Zionism is merely an intrinsic part of Judaism which cannot be
separated. You cannot be a true Zionist without full acceptance of
the Truth of all the commandments of the Torah and its commentaries.
This requires study and doing the research just like Charlie
Sheen 'did the research'on 9/11. Anyone else claiming to be a Zionist
is an imposter and anyone separating Zionism from Judaism does not
understand either term. True Zionism is intrinsic to Judaism, like it
or not.

Ray Antoky
Bklyn

PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
reinstatement.

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Message 5
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." prez@usa-exile.org
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:23am(PDT)
Subject: Fwd: Eric Hufschmid on fake 9-11 "truth seekers"

Some of what's below is quite interesting. --- Pondo

From: Peter Myers <myers@cyberone.com.au>
Date: April 23, 2006 6:01:47 AM EST
To: clem clarke <oscarptyltd@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Eric Hufschmid on fake 9-11 "truth seekers"

Eric Hufschmid on fake 9-11 "truth seekers"

"There is a battle going on for control of the planet. However, this is
not a
battle with guns and fists. This is a battle in which the primary
weapon is
deception" - Eric Hufschmid
http://www.erichufschmid.net/InvestigateTheTruthSeekers.htm

"the enormous number of UFO and crop circle articles on the Internet
seem to be
an attempt to give the field of conspiracy theories a bad image" - Eric
Hufschmid (item 3)

"the chemtrail issue is another trap" - Eric Hufschmid (item 4)

But Hufschmid claims that the Apollo moon landings were faked.

My satellite-observer friend Ron Welch told me it would be impossible
to fake
the lunar rocks - their chemistry is too different. Ron met Stuart Ross
Taylor,
of ANU, one of the leading experts on lunar rock geochemistry and
history. ANU
was one of the first places outside the US to get rock samples to look
at.

Dick Barwick, a leading Palaeontologist, who examined such rocks, said
the same.

Therefore, at the very least, there were unmanned missions which
brought back
such rocks.

(1) Re LARRY PULLS IT, by Barry Chamish: Von Bülow says Building 7 was
used to
run 9/11 attack
(2) "Cowboys and Indians" cf "Zionists and Goyim" - from Eric Hufschmid
(3) Eric Hufschmid on fake 9-11 "truth seekers"
(4) Don't be a Useful Idiot - Do some research before you speak, by Eric
Hufschmid

(1) Re LARRY PULLS IT, by Barry Chamish: Von Bülow says Building 7 was
used to
run 9/11 attack

In his article LARRY PULLS IT, Barry Chamish wrote:

"Flight 93 was supposed to knock Building 7 down and the building was
jammed
with explosives for the moment. But instead, the plane fell in
Pennsylvania so
owner Larry Silverstein had to bring the building down by himself.
That, or
expose the demolitives for the world to see."
http://www.barrychamish.com

Here is an old email which offers another view:

Former German Minister Von Bülow says Building 7 was used to run 9/11
attack

Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:38:37 +0930 From: "Adelaide Institute"
<info@adelaideinstitute.org> From: Thomas R. Ascher From: Henri the
Celt

Former German Minister Says Building 7 Used To Run 9/11 Attack

Guide the planes in, then destroy the crime scene

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 21 2006

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/210406runattack.htm

Former Helmut Schmidt cabinet member, 25-year German Parliamentarian
and global
intelligence expert Andreas Von Bülow says that the 9/11 attack was run
by the
highest levels of the US intelligence apparatus using WTC Building 7 as
a
command bunker which was later demolished in order to destroy the crime
scene.

Speaking to The Alex Jones Show on the GCN Radio Network, Von Bülow
said that
"the official story is so wrong, it must be an inside job."

Von Bülow discussed the special software programs that allow the CIA to
track
suspicious stock market movements in real time. Record put options
placed on
United and American Airlines in the week before 9/11, a speculation
that the
stock would crash, clearly indicated inside foreknowledge of the
impending
attack. http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

"If the stock market has very strange movements immediately they take
care of
this and they had a lot of tapes and the lawyers told the people
destroy these
tapes."

"The Bush administration is in a deep defensive [mode] and probably
they would
like to come out with a new offensive," said Von Bülow as he considered
whether
a new staged false flag terror attack could be launched to further an
interventionist agenda.

"I would hope that one 'new Pearl Harbor' is enough," said Von Bülow,
"but I
cannot be sure."

Von Bülow commented on the disputed identities of the named hijackers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

"The names of these nineteen [hijackers] never came up in the official
passenger
list, until now there's no proof they were on the planes."

Von Bülow also pointed out how the alleged hijacker's flight
instructors told
investigators that they couldn't even fly Cessna's, never mind complex
large
commercial airliners. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour.html

Von Bülow also touched upon the implausible collapse of the buildings.
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

"The towers came down in the velocity of free fall which is totally
impossible,
they fall down in 8, 9, or 10 seconds, the pancake theory is
ridiculous," he
said.

Von Bülow also highlighted the fact that there were 67 successful
intercepts of
errant aircraft in the year of 2001 before 9/11 and yet four planes
were allowed
to veer wildly off course without any being intercepted on that one day.

Rudolph Giuliani opened a $13 million emergency Command Center
(pictured) on the
23rd floor of World Trade Center Building 7 in June 1999 in part to
respond to
and manage terrorist attacks.

Von Bülow referenced the command bunker in Building 7, calling it the
"optimal
place" to run the attacks using remote control technology to guide the
planes in
and then destroying the crime scene by imploding the building.

"There were two procedures, one was flying in the aircraft the second
was the
explosions," he said.

When asked precisely which parties carried out the attack Von Bülow
said it must
have been a "very small group" within the CIA with the help of Saudi
Arabian and
Pakistani secret service intelligence.

Comment {not sure whose comment - Peter M.}: Being German he cannot -
doesn't
dare - mention the part the Israeli Mossad played ... {end comment}

Von Bülow outlined his view that one reason for the execution of 9/11
was to
provide the justification for US military bases in the near and Middle
East to
be built in anticipation for a future confrontation with China, whom the
Neo-Cons believe have grown too powerful and need to have their
geopolitical
wings clipped.

Click here to listen to Von Bülow's interview.
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/200406vonbuelow.htm

(2) "Cowboys and Indians" cf "Zionists and Goyim" - from Eric Hufschmid

What is "Zionism"?
And why are some Jews complaining about it?

30 Oct 2005
By Eric Hufschmid

http://www.erichufschmid.net/WhatIsZionism.htm

… If you were to see a cat catch a mouse, play with it a while, and
then eat it,
would you hate the evil cat for torturing the innocent mouse?

How is the human world any different? I see Zionists constantly
outsmarting
Europeans, Russians, Americans, and Australians.

I see the Zionists as being analogous to an organization of cats who
work
together to catch thousands of stupid, unorganized mice. Why should I
feel sorry
for the mice? Why should I hate the cats?

Sure, you can complain that the Zionists are often committing immoral
acts, and
using all sorts of deceptive and treacherous methods to achieve their
goals. But
so what? Nobody is forcing the stupid goyim to fall for their
treachery. If all
the goyim were like me, the Zionists would have to find some other
group to
exploit.

Hundreds of millions of Europeans and Americans are being eaten by a few
thousand Zionists, but is it accurate to say the reason is because the
Zionists
are evil? It is more accurate to describe the majority of Europeans and
Americans as too mentally defective to take care of themselves and their
nations.

I will not cry for the Europeans or the Americans if their nations are
taken
over or destroyed by Zionists, nor will I hate the Zionists.

As I describe in that previously mentioned document, the European
immigrants to
North America took the land from the natives. Today the goyim are in the
position of the Native Americans, and the Zionists are the pioneers who
are
developing a nation for themselves at our expense.

When I was a child it was common for children to play a game called
"Cowboys and
Indians". A hundred years from now -- if Israel gets established and
dominates
the world -- Israeli children may play a game called the Zionists and
Goyim.

Many thousands of years ago the people in the Iraq and Egypt were the
most
advanced societies on the planet.

They had a written language, arithmetic, and cities, while everybody
else on the
planet was living like animals. But their success lasted for only a few
centuries.

For a while the Greeks were advanced, but that did not last long. Then
the
Romans became advanced, but that did not last long, either.

Eventually the Europeans rose to dominance, and at the end of World War
II,
America found itself in the position of world leader. But today we find
Europe
and America are disintegrating.

Why should I feel sorry for any of these failed societies? Feeling
sorry for a
nation will not help that nation, and it will not help me. Pity does
not help
anybody.

Why should I cry for people who ignore me?

I spent a lot of time and effort trying to explain to people that the
World
Trade Center towers were blown up with explosives, and I tried to
explain
numerous other scams, but the majority of people ignore me, or ridicule
me. Why
should I feel sorry for them when they get eaten by Zionists?

I do not hate the Zionists. Rather, I am astounded by the pathetic
mental
qualities of the majority of American and European goyim. Very few
goyim can
think properly. All they do is entertain themselves. A few times I even
wondered, "How my related to these idiot goys? Or am I actually a Jew,
and I was
mixed up at the hospital by the stupid, goy nurses?"

The problems of America and Europe are self-inflicted. For example,
consider the
media. Many goyim complain that the Jews control the media, but as I
explain in
other documents, the Jews are not forcing us to buy the New York Times,
Newsweek, or Scientific American. The dumb goyim are doing this
voluntarily. And
they purchase these publications even though I repeatedly tell them to
stop
funding the people who lie to them.

Nothing I say seems to have an effect. I could teach arithmetic to a
dog faster
than I could help the average goy.

The issue of illegal immigration is another example. Americans complain
that
millions of Mexicans are coming into the nation illegally every year.
However,
it does not take much intelligence to realize that they are coming into
this
nation because there are jobs everywhere for them.

Nobody is forced to hire illegal aliens. The American people are doing
this
voluntarily, but they refuse to take responsibility for their behavior.
The
hypocrisy and selfishness is incredible.

As an example, when Arianna Huffington was living in Santa Barbara, she
was
accused of having an illegal alien helping her to raise her child. Since
Huffington was born wealthy, she cannot use the excuse that she was too
busy
working to care for her children. How can this nation take care of
itself when
the people who provide guidance are such selfish hypocrites?

Eventually the Mexicans will dominate America, but I will not feel
sorry for the
American people, nor will I hate the Mexicans.

What are we struggling for?

On one of his radio shows, Daryl Smith brought up the question, "What
are we
struggling for?" This is an important issue that everybody should
consider
before they try to expose 9/11, the Kennedy assassination, the attack
on the USS
Liberty, the Dyncorp sex slaves, or other crimes.

Why are we risking our lives to expose these crimes? Why are we working
so hard
and spending so much time and money to expose these crimes? Are we
doing this
for the mindless goyim who ridicule us as "conspiracy nuts"?

Some of the goyim have already tried to turn us into the FBI on the
grounds that
we are terrorists.

For example, an American woman showed several 9/11 videos to her
visiting
relatives. One of them asked if she could borrow the videos. Weeks
later, when
asked when she would return the videos, she was told that the videos
were in
Washington, DC. She sent them to the government as evidence that we are
all
terrorists.

If it were legal for Americans to arrest "terrorists", many of us would
have
been put in jail long ago by our relatives and neighbors. Are we
struggling to
help these imbeciles?

Is it surprising that a small handful of Zionists can get control of
this
nation? How many Americans have a brain that is functioning properly?
How many
of them are capable of discussing issues? How many of them can face
reality?

A man sent me an e-mail complaining about one of my documents. Among
other
things, I told him that he should look into the Apollo moon landing,
and I gave
him a link to my Science Challenge. His response was:

I hate to brag, but I have a degree in physics (and in Computer
Science, but
certainly not in PolySci), and I can disagree with you endlessly on it.

If my science challenge is flawed, then show me the evidence. Boasting
about a
college degree is not providing evidence.

Sweep the USA in the trash and start over

Most Americans believe that the nation will improve if we remove George
Bush
from the presidency, but that will not do anything to make America a
better
place. Even with a different president, we still have the same crummy
cities,
the same corrupt and greedy corporations, the same corrupt unions, the
same
crummy school system, and the same crummy media.

Daryl Smith says that America needs a Mulligan, which is a golfing
expression to
start over. I agree. America is hopeless. We need to learn from our
mistakes and
redesign this nation. We need new attitudes, a better method of
selecting
government leaders, and a better school systems.

I am not struggling to keep America as it is and merely replace George
Bush with
John Kerry or Al Gore. Rather, I would like to see the nation become
better.
With the technology we have today, we can make an incredible world for
ourselves. We no longer have to rush out every day to search for food
and water.
We could have beautiful cities, beautiful trains, wonderful gardens,
and healthy
food to eat.

I am not struggling to help the stupid goyim. Rather, I am hoping to
reach that
small number of goyim whose brains are functioning properly, and who
would like
to make a better world.

(3) Eric Hufschmid on fake 9-11 "truth seekers"

http://www.iamthewitness.com/by_Hufschmid25Sept2005.htm

Back to The French Connection

Has Barbara Olson been arrested?
25 Sept 2005
By Eric Hufschmid

Several people have asked me what I think about Tom Flocco's latest
article, and
several people enthusiastically told me that the 9/11 case has been
solved
because Barbara Olson has been arrested.

Unfortunately, his story about Barbara Olson is like his story about
the grand
jury indicting Bush and Cheney, and the story about the gunfight in the
Chicago
subway. Specifically, there is no way to verify anything he says.

Christopher Bollyn was living in Chicago at the time Flocco's story
came out
about the indictment and the gunfight. Bollyn called various people
trying to
figure out if there is any truth to either story. He found nothing.

Is it possible that what Flocco says is true? Sure, it is possible that
Tom has
received secret information far in advance of everybody else. But the
only way
he could have access to such secret, important information many weeks
before the
rest of us is if:

# Flocco is part of the gang of criminals that gave us 9/11 and other
crimes.

# His source is part of that gang of criminals.

# His source is an honest government employee who is leaking the
information
in order to keep his own identity a secret.

No normal person could possibly have access to such secret, information
without
inside contacts.

One problem with Flocco's stories is that they are never verified, even
after
months. If Flocco was getting information before anybody else, then
eventually
other people would have access to the information, thereby verifying
Flocco's
claims. But nothing he has ever said has been verified. He announced
that Bush
and Cheney were being indicted at the beginning of August 2005. How
much longer
do we have to wait before this information becomes public?

One of Flocco's sources of information is Tom Heneghan. On 19 July
2005, Tom
Heneghan and Stew Webb posted a news report that four British secret
agents were
shot and killed as they were trying to put a bomb on the Chicago
subway. Sure,
it is possible that this event occurred, but that requires that
somebody pick up
the dead bodies, mop up the blood, and convince the families of the
victims that
their missing relatives must have run off to another nation to start a
new life.

Examples of this story:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t39570.html
and
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3388

However, if four British secret agents were really shot to death, that
means the
murders were covered up extremely well. This in turn means we have to
ask how
Tom Heneghan and Stew Webb were provided with this information. Only
somebody
with inside information could possibly have access to such secret
information.

Let's assume that Tom Heneghan, Stew Webb, and Tom Flocco are being
provided
with information by some honest government employees who are trying to
expose
the corruption in our government. In such a case, those government
employees are
wasting their time because there is no evidence to believe what they
are saying.
They may as well tell us that the crop circles in England are being
created by
Martians. Unless secret, insider information can be verified, it has no
value.

Actually, unverifiable information does have value. Specifically, it
has value
for people who are trying to confuse, mislead, and deceive. For some
examples,
unverifiable information can be useful to:

# Give a bad image to the "Barbara Olson is alive" reports
What if Barbara Olson really is alive and living in Europe? Tom Flocco
has just
created a story that is being ridiculed by thousands of people. If an
honest
person announces on the Internet that Barbara Olson is living next to
him, most
people will just laugh, "Oh no, another of those idiotic, Barbara Olson
is alive
stories!" In other words, Flocco's absurd story will cause people to
disregard
the truth.

# Give a bad image to all conspiracy theories
Another possible reason for Flocco's story about Barbara Olson is to
give all
conspiracy theories a bad image.

Some people will notice that none of Flocco's stories can be verified,
and they
might come to the conclusion that the conspiracy theories are coming
from sloppy
investigators who are at the intellectual level of a teenager. They
will be more
likely to disregard other conspiracy theories, such as September 11,
the USS
Liberty, and the Oklahoma City bombing.

For an example of how this concept works, the enormous number of UFO
and crop
circle articles on the Internet seem to be an attempt to give the field
of
conspiracy theories a bad image.

For those of you who believe in UFOs, you've got to face the fact that
if there
are aliens on the earth, nobody has any serious evidence of them. All
they have
are photos that show mysterious blobs. And crop circles are real, but
there is
no evidence that Martians created them. The evidence suggest they come
from
humans, such as www.circlemakers.org

# Send investigators down the wrong path
Another possible reason for Tom Flocco to produce false stories is to
send us
looking in the wrong direction. For example, in his article about JFK
Jr., he
blames the Bush family, the Clintons, and the CIA. But what if the
Mossad and
Army intelligence was involved in the killing? In such a case, the
people who
trust Tom Flocco will wander down the wrong path and never find
anything.

The same may be true with Flocco's story about Barbara Olson. She may
really be
alive, but she may be in Australia. The people who trust Flocco might
look for
her in Poland, or in Europe, but that might be the wrong side of the
planet.

Or, perhaps Barbara Olson has always wanted to be a man, and in return
for her
role in 9-11, she was provided with hormone treatment and surgery, in
which
case anybody looking for a woman would be looking forever.

# Sacrifice Flocco for some other agent
Another possible reason for Flocco to create a false story is so that
some other
agent can expose Flocco. This will give credibility to that other agent.

# To discredit Tom Flocco
Some of Flocco's supporters suggest that perhaps Tom is being fed false
information in order to discredit him because his other stories are
accurate.
But which of his other stories are accurate?

It is true that when an investigator is providing information that the
criminals
don't want exposed, they might try to feed him false information in
order to
make them look like a fool. But this only happens to the investigators
that
actually provide dangerous information.

Christopher Bollyn is in this category. Bollyn often exposes important
and
verifiable information. Not surprisingly, he is frequently contacted by
people
who try to persuade him to report something stupid.

Tom Flocco's friends are suspicious

Everybody who Tom Flocco considers a source of information, and all the
people
associated with Flocco (e.g., Sherman Skolnick, Lenny Bloom, Mary
Schneider, Tom
Heneghan, Mae Brussell, Stew Webb, Stefan Grossmann) must be put into
the same
category as Flocco. In other words, all of them may be government
agents, or
members of the criminal gang, or useful idiots who are being fed false
information.

Some people have accused Stew Webb of being a COINTELPRO agent. For
example,
there is a person named Ken Adachi who has a site full of articles
where various
people accuse one another of being government agents.

Take a look at Adachi's site, and see if you can figure out which
people are the
COINTELPRO agents. There are so many articles, and so many accusations,
that no
individual who must work for a living has time to research all of these
people
and all of their connections. For all we know, Ken Adachi is an
COINTELPRO
agent, also!

A tangled web of accusations

This brings up an issue that many people that I personally talked to
have
trouble understanding. Specifically, one way for the government to
protect their
agents is to create a lot of fights and accusations between them. If a
hundred
agents accuse one or two of the others of being a government agent,
they will
create so many conflicting accusations that most people will be
overwhelmed with
the complexity. None of us ordinary citizens have the time to figure
out that
all of them are agents.

To further confuse the issue, some of the agents could accuse some
honest,
ordinary citizens of being agents. This causes people to be suspicious
of those
honest citizens. The honest citizens will likely react by accusing those
particular agents of being agents. How will any ordinary citizen be
able to
figure out who is telling the truth?

To confuse the issue even further, some government agents could provide
slightly
inaccurate information to an honest citizen. The honest citizen will
announce
silly news items, such as the arrest of Barbara Olson. Other people
will assume
he is an agent, when he is actually what we would call a "useful
idiot". In this
particular situation, the real agent is invisible to us; he is feeding
false
information to the honest citizen.

Is Flocco a useful idiot? Or is he an honest agent who is trying to
expose the
truth? Or is he part of the criminal network?

My guess is that he knows he is lying to us, but I do not know who he
is working
for.

Could Flocco be America's hero?

This brings up another interesting issue. Specifically, some of the
people that
we expose as liars may actually be trying to help America. They may
have been
fascinated by the James Bond movies and the Mission Impossible
television shows,
and they may believe that by running some secret, counter scam they
will defeat
the forces of evil and save the world. In other words, Tom Flocco and
his
friends may be honest government employees, and they may believe that
by posting
silly articles they are going to stop the evil doers.

If that is the case, we are in real trouble. If our government thinks
they are
going to defeat this criminal network with stories of Barbara Olson
being
arrested, we have no hope.

Or does Flocco work for the Zionists?

It is possible that Flocco and his friends are actually working for
some group
of Zionists. The reason I say this is that all of them avoid the issue
of
Zionism. Most of these "truth tellers" put the blame for the world's
problems on
the CIA, the Bush family, the Italian Mafia, Great Britain, and/or the
Vatican.

For example, in this Skolnick article he avoids Israel, Zionists, and
the Jewish
Mafia and explains that five U.S. presidents were assassinated for the
benefit
of Great Britain and the Vatican / Jesuits.

Everything Skolnick writes seems to be accurate. However, he avoids
certain
issues, thereby giving us a distorted view. For example, in that
particular
article, he mentions the "French Mafia". However, there are more than
just
French involved in organized crime. There are also Russians, Canadians,
and
probably every other race, religion, and nationality.

There are also Israelis involved in organized crime. Meyer Lansky is
one of
them. In Michael Collins Piper's book, Final Judgment, he shows
evidence that
Meyer Lansky and many Israelis and Zionists were the masterminds in the
assassination of President Kennedy.

For another example, Skolnick doesn't mention that some of Britain's
policies
are due to Zionists within the British government, so they are more
accurately
described as Zionist policies, not British policies.

In Flocco's article about the murder of JFK Jr., he also avoids
implicating
Israelis or Zionists. Instead he blames Clinton and Bush. If Tom was
truly an
unbiased investigative reporter, wouldn't he at least mention that
there are
some people who believe that Zionists were also involved in that
killing?

The evidence that Bush and Clinton killed JFK Jr. is no better than the
evidence
that Zionists were involved, so why doesn't Flocco provide us with all
of the
information? Why is he restricting us to only the Zionist's side of
this issue?

I think Flocco is trying to manipulate us. The people who trust Flocco
will be
fooled into looking at Clinton and Bush for the answers to JFK Jr's
death, and
they will get nowhere with their investigation because they will be on
the wrong
path. I would bet that Skolnick is also deliberately misleading us.

I also find it interesting that Skolnick sometimes put the following
remarks in
his articles:

The Middle-Finger News
Sticking It To The Poobahs

Example: click here

What is a Poobah? Perhaps he is referring to you and me.

While that may seem like an outrageous statement, consider the remark
at the end
of the television show "Dark Side Of The Moon":

No goy was mistreated during the filming

Or watch the Penn and Teller television episode about conspiracies in
which they
show a person drilling a hole in a Bible.

All of these people may be Zionists, and all of them may be making fun
of us
goys.

Zionists are not identical

Before I go on, I should point out that Zionism is not a group of
people with
identical goals and attitudes. Zionism is just like all other
organizations.
Specifically, what Zionism is depends on who is in control of the
organization.
Consider the Republican Party to understand this. There are Republicans
who
support abortions while other Republicans oppose abortions. Whether the
Republican Party supports abortion depends on who gets control of it.

There are also Republicans who cover up the raping of boys at Boystown,
and
there are other Republicans who want to stop all forms of rape and
pedophilia.

Zionism is the same. What Zionism becomes depends on who gets control
of the
movement. In the case of Zionism, it might depend on who is in control
of
Israel, or the Mossad. Ariel Sharon, Sherman Skolnick, George Soros,
and Senator
Lieberman may all be Zionists, but each of them may have slightly
different
attitudes on what Zionism should be, and what the Zionists should do
with us
goys.

Just as Republicans fight among themselves for control of the
Republican Party,
the Zionists fight among themselves for control of Israel, America,
Europe, and
the horde of goys.

In fact, there are some Jews who do not support Israel, and who do not
seem to
care if goys live among them. Take a look: http://www.nkusa.org/

Did Al Gore win the presidency in the 2000 election?

An example of the fighting is the 2000 election between Al Gore and
George Bush.
Both Democrats and Republicans routinely cheat in elections, but in the
2000
elections, the Gore supporters wanted us to believe that the innocent,
honest
Democrats were being cheated in Palm Beach by the dishonest Republicans.

I think what was really happening was a fight between the Bush Zionists
and the
Lieberman Zionists. I think the 9/11 attack had already been planned at
that
point in time. The Lieberman Zionists desperately wanted Al Gore to be
elected
so that they could set up Al Gore to die in the 9-11 attack. Lieberman
would
then become president, and the Lieberman Zionists would have control of
America,
and then Israel.

Israel may not survive much longer

The Zionists and Israelis may not be laughing at the goys much longer.
The
American economy is deteriorating, and the result will be that the US
Military
will soon discover that its weapons systems are less advanced than
those of
other nations, and their equipment is not properly maintained. The US
Military
will also find it increasingly difficult to find American companies to
produce
their weapons and supplies.

Furthermore, each year Americans bring in millions of Mexicans,
Chinese, and
other people to become a low-cost source of labor. Already some parts
of the
Southwest are more than 50% Mexican. A nation cannot survive when it
has the
attitude that it is acceptable to use other races for labor.

Once America is gone, Israel will be on its own. The Israelis will find
themselves surrounded by angry Arabs, Persians, and other nations.

To summarize this, the Zionists may destroy America before they become
established. This is as stupid as a horde of ticks sucking so much
blood out of
their host that the host dies.

Will the Zionists try to save the day for themselves with another fake
terrorist
attack? Will they make one final attempt to get control of America and
destroy
the Arabs?

Or are the Zionists planning to set Bush and Cheney up to take the
blame for
9/11? Are the Zionists truly holding Barbara Olson in a jail somewhere?
Will the
Zionists soon provide their Flocco puppet with the actual location of
Barbara
Olson, thereby bringing down the Bush administration and the top US
Military
leaders? Will the Zionists then install other puppets in America?

Or will the situation become even worse for us? For example, George
Soros might
be a member of the gang that is running the sex slaves, or he might be
a member
of the Russian mafia, or the Jewish Mafia. What if the Soros Zionists
gets
control of America? How do we know that group of criminals will be
better than
what we have now?

For the past few years Soros has been trying to get control of the tens
of
millions of people who call themselves "liberals" or "Democrats". Do
you think
that Soros is doing this for the benefit of you or I? Do you think that
Soros is
truly interested in making America, or the world, a better place?

What if George Soros sets up Bush and Cheney to take the blame for
9/11, and
then a Soros puppet, such as John Kerry, gets control of America?

Many of the supporters of Kerry and Soros that I have personally met
are the
failures of America; they are failures in their jobs, marriage,
businesses, and
other activities. They have a strong "feel sorry for me" attitude. Some
of them
are so hopeless that they depend on their girlfriends or wives for
financial
support.

Lots, probably most, of the supporters of Soros are mental nitwits, and
they
want handouts and pity, not skills, jobs, or responsibility. They
remind me of
the supporters of communism in Russia during the early 20th century. If
Soros
were to get control of America, he would have tens of millions of these
nitwits
supporting him. How is that an improvement over what we have now?

Most of the Kerry supporters are so incapable of thinking that they did
not even
notice that John Kerry was not the person they wanted as president.
They had
originally wanted Howard Dean. Obviously, these people are easily taken
advantage of. How could such mindless people possibly make America a
better
nation?

Even when I point out to the Kerry supporters that Dean was their
candidate,
they ignore me and continue to support Kerry with such expressions as,
"Anything
is better than Bush!"

We must face the fact that most Kerry supporters are incapable of
intelligent
reasoning. I am not saying that Howard Dean is a good leader; rather, I
am
pointing out that the Kerry supporters are such nitwits that they cannot
understand that they are being taken advantage of. Don't make excuses
for them;
don't feel sorry for them. People who are this easily manipulated are
dangerous.
And you should not be surprised when such people fail repeatedly in
life. They
are the losers, but feeling sorry for them will not help them, and it
will not
help you or me.

The anti-war and peace movements are frauds

The Zionists also seem to be getting control of the anti-war movement,
the peace
movement, and all other anti-Bush movements. I mentioned earlier in this
document that Christopher Bollyn is often contacted by people who try to
persuade him to believe something stupid. He is also frequently
contacted by
people who try to become his friends, or who try to recommend that he
considers
somebody else a friend.

For example, as of September 2005 (when I wrote this) he has been
frequently
contacted by a woman named Ilene Proctor, and she has been promoting a
man named
Brad Friedman. Friedman has such web sites as.

http://www.bradblog.com/
http://www.velvetrevolution.us/

Why would Proctor want Bollyn to become friendly with Friedman? Is
Friedman
really interested in helping make America a better place? Or does
Friedman want
to manipulate Bollyn? Or does Friedman want to claim Bollyn as a friend
in order
to increase his credibility? Is Friedman just another Zionist in
anti-war
clothing?

VelvetRevolution.us is registered in care of Network Solutions in
Herndon,
Virginia, which also hosts a lot of Nazi, anti-semite sites, and extreme
pornography sites. Does this mean anything? Is this just a coincidence?
Or is
VelvetRevolution.us actually operated by a secret agency, such as CIA
or Mossad?

One of the techniques the Zionists use to manipulate people is to
become their
friends, and after gaining a person's trust, they quietly stab them in
the back.
In fact, David Wolper makes a brief remark about this in his
autobiography. I
mention it here.

In the long run, the nitwits suffer
Life is a competitive struggle for all animals, plants, and humans. A
nation
needs intelligent, responsible leaders. Unfortunately, the American
voters
routinely select between one worthless puppet or another.

America is like a child in a boxing ring, and the Zionists are pounding
this
child so hard that he is about to fall unconscious. Blood is running
down his
face, his nose is smashed, and his legs are wobbling, but he thinks he
is
winning the contest because his coach, a Zionist, is telling him that
he is the
greatest boxer in the world, and that he is doing a great job.

For more on the issues of deception, consider how Jenna Orkin and other
"truth
tellers" hide the dangers of the dust at the World Trade Center. ==

More of Eric Hufschmid on fake 9-11 "truth seekers"

is at http://www.iamthewitness.com/by_Hufschmid11Oct2005.htm

(4) Don't be a Useful Idiot - Do some research before you speak, by Eric
Hufschmid

http://www.erichufschmid.net/WatchForTraps.html

Don't be a Useful Idiot

Do some research before you speak

11 Dec 2005

A lot of people are pushing the theory that the airplanes that hit the
towers
were holograms, or that the video was edited.

They base this on the fact that when we zoom in on the airplanes that
crashed
into the World Trade Center we can clearly see that the airplane
changes shape
from one frame to the next.

Above are three sequential frames of video that I took of an airplane
moving
slowly along an airport runway. The video images are actually much
larger; I
zoomed in on the flag on the airplane.

Notice that the letters are jagged, and the shape changes from one
frame to the
next. Also, notice that the stripes on the flag change from one frame
to the
next. Is this airplane a hologram? Was the video edited? No!

This distortion occurs in video images with all objects in motion. And
the
distortion would be worse if the plane had been moving at high speed.

I think the people who are pushing these theories are setting traps for
us.

Imagine if you were to be fooled into believing their nonsense. Imagine
yourself
proudly announcing that close examination of the video proves that the
airplanes
were holograms or edited airplanes because the airplanes were changing
from one
frame to the next.

The criminals would then be able to attack you as a conceited fool who
talks
about subjects he knows nothing about.

Don't get caught in their Hologram Trap

Please look into this issue of interlaced video before you give us an
analysis
of a video image.

The following web site has a good photo of how a car in motion is
blurred by
interlaced video, while the background is clearly visible:
www.axis.com/products/video/camera/progressive_scan.htm

This next web site has lots of photos and descriptions:
http://www.100fps.com/

And finally, here is a web site with animated images to show you how a
ball in
motion appears differently on different types of video systems:
http://neuron2.net/LVG/interlacing.html

Scott Ritter appears to have been caught in a blackmail trap set with
young
girls as bait. Read about Ritter here:
www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_RitterMainPage.html

If you are incapable of figuring out who to listen to, and who to be
suspicious
of, you may end up dangling on one of their fishing lines.

Of course, unlike Ritter -- who was arrested -- you may never realize
that you
have been caught because you will not be arrested for promoting
nonsense.
Instead, you will be praised and encouraged.

Fishing for Useful Idiots

How can you tell the truth from a trap? For example, which is the
truth, and
which is a trap:
A) Apollo astronauts landed on the moon.

B) Apollo astronauts faked the moon landing.
I say that Apollo was a fake, and I have a PDF file and some science
challenges
to back up my accusation.
www.EricHufschmid.net

Long before I looked into Apollo, other people were exposing the moon
hoax, such
as Ralph René, Bart Sibrel, and Bill Kaysing.

Nobody has been able to disprove any of us yet.

I say that anybody who falls for the Apollo moon landing is a Useful
Idiot who
is helping to cover up these crimes.

If my Apollo accusations are flawed, why doesn't somebody come forward
and show
me where my mistakes are? Why doesn't somebody expose me as a fool?

My brother told me that a physics professor he personally knows will
put me in
my place by showing me the flaws in my Apollo accusations. This was
more than a
year ago. Hey, Mr. Physics Professor... I'm still waiting! When are
you going
to do it?

A lot of people tell me I am wrong about Apollo, but without proof, you
are a
fool to criticize me.

What about the Holocaust? Was it real, or has it been grossly
exaggerated?

I say it has been so grossly exaggerated and so distorted that the Jews
are
committing a crime by promoting it.
www.EricHufschmid.net/Conspiracies12.htm

Nobody has been able to disprove anything I wrote about the Holocaust,
or any
other issue. All they have done so far is whisper quietly, "Pssst,
Hufschmid is
an anti-Semite."

Nobody would resort to whispering insults if they had solid evidence of
my
mistakes.

Their inability to find flaws in my documents, book, and video is simply
evidence that I have not made any mistakes, or at least none worth
complaining
about.

Chemtrails

The US Government has been caught using the public in experiments. For
example,
they sprayed bacteria in the San Francisco area, and they used both
citizens and
soldiers in tests with atomic bombs, LSD, and radioactive materials. The
government admits some experiments here:
tis.eh.doe.gov/ohre/index.html

And this has a list of experiments:
www.healthnewsnet.com/humanexperiments.html

The numerous and bizarre experiments cause many people to assume the
military is
still conducting experiments on us. This is a valid concern, but we
cannot jump
to the conclusion that every airplane that leaves a persistent trail is
spraying
us with a mysterious substance.

If the US government is spraying us with something, I would suspect
that:
# The spray would come from military planes, not commercial jets.

# They would spray at low altitudes in order to target specific
areas, not at
30,000 feet, which would make it impossible to predict where the
substance would
finally end up.

# The best way to spray us would be to use very quiet, dark drones,
and fly
them in the evening or early morning. This eliminates the human pilots
who might
talk, and it reduces the chance that somebody takes photos of the
planes. Also,
not many private planes are flying in the dark.

# If they are spraying at 30,000 feet, they are not spraying
biological items
on people.

# The spray would be invisible if they are spraying the substance on
people.

Some people respond that they are spraying at 30,000 feet because they
are
trying to change the ionosphere for some sort of HAARP related project.
(They
claim HAARP is a mysterious weapon.) But where is the evidence for such
an
accusation?

Some people complain that the airplanes make grid patterns in the sky,
but take
a look at all the airports in the world, and explain how airplanes can
get from
one airport to another without occasionally creating grids, parallel
lines, and
other patterns.

Don't forget that military pilots must practice. If one of them were to
fly in
ovals or other patterns, dozens of fools would panic that he is
spraying the
city with chemtrails.

Nobody can agree on what these chemtrails are because nobody has any
evidence
for their accusations. People are just looking into the sky and making
wild
assumptions.

The UFO theories also come from people who see something mysterious in
the sky,
and then jump to the conclusion that it is a spacecraft from another
solar
system.

I think the chemtrail issue is another trap. The exhaust of a jet will
persist
for hours if the air in that location of the atmosphere is saturated
with water
vapor. This is why clouds can persist for long periods of times.

Don't be a fool; don't talk about chemtrails unless you actually have
some
evidence for your theories.

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Message 6
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:42am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Judaism

that clears up alot,

didn't realize that zionism was an intrinsic part of Judaism, if i'm understanding this correctly, there are fake zionists running around out there giving the real jews a bad name?

so how does theodore herzl tie into the zionism?

I mean I don't know that's why it is important to have an open discussion instead of slamming people down and banning, angie's crimes. there is no off topic subject because that's contradictory to the no censorship.

you have some place where you can direct me to in order to learn more?

I'm taking a vacation from moderation for some time, this whole thing has left me exhausted.

Ray Antoky <rayantoky@aol.com> wrote:

Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
Judaism.

Ray Antoky
Bklyn

PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
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From: "President, USA Exile Govt." prez@usa-exile.org
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:44am(PDT)
Subject: A Day in the LIfe: 4/23/6

GOVERNMENT OF THE USA IN
EXILE
Free Americans
Reaching Out to Amerika's Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe Free

Via <prez@usa-exile.org>

April 23, 2006

From: Mark S Bilk <mark@cosmicpenguin.com>
Date: April 22, 2006 4:40:34 PM EST
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, ctrl@yahoogroups.com,
wbaielections@yahoogroups.com
Cc: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, 911truthalliance@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [911TruthAction] Taking Aim Bulletin, April 22, 2006 - Ralph
speaks in NYC today and tomorrow
Reply-To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:18:15 -0700
Subject: Taking Aim Bulletin, April 22, 2006 - Ralph speaks in NYC
today and tomorrow
From: Taking Aim <takingaim@pacbell.net>

Saturday, April 22, 7:00 pm
West Park Presbyterian Church
86th Street and Amsterdam Ave.
Doors open at 6:00 p.m.
"Treason at the Top: The Underlying Politics of 9/11"

In tying 9/11 to the methods that have defined class rule in the United
States for generations, Ralph Schoenman ties the attacks of 9/11 to the
unfolding architecture of the fascist state and examines what is to be
done
to end the criminalization of state power in America.

Sunday, April 23, 6:30 pm sharp
St. Marks Church
2nd Ave. and 10th Street
"From Staging 9/11 to Creating the Next Pandemic: A System in Terminal
Decay"

Schoenman documents how the official drum beat regarding an inevitable
biological attack and pandemic with the United States is tied, like 9/11
itself, to longstanding plans of U.S. Rulers to deploy bacteriological
and
viral agents as weapons of destruction and subjugation aimed at entire
populations, including our own.

***

TAKING AIM, TUESDAY, APRIL 25, 5:00-6:00 pm
Call-in to WBAI with your questions for this special edition of Taking
Aim.
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From: "Amy Sasser" <amysasser@gmail.com>
Date: April 23, 2006 8:50:45 AM EST
To: World_Politics@googlegroups.com
Subject: THREE Stage Terror Drill to Take Place in Chicago: May 2-4

http://www.lonelantern.org/police_state_reports.html

THREE Stage Terror Drill to Take Place in Chicago: May 2-4

Gary Franchi - Chicago, IL 4-20-06 One of our Loyal Lone Lanterns
has just informed us that the National Guard will be doing a training
assignment in Chicago. This field exercise will be to simulate a
chemical attack, whereby the National Guard will coordinate with local
police, fire depts, and hospitals. One of the hospitals participating
will be Rush.

1) Exercise starts as a response to a pandemic spreading throughout
Chicago. It could be anything from a terrorist attack to bird flu.
Nobody knows.

2) As the different groups are responding to this pandemic, there is a
dirty bomb attack which releases a chemical agent.

3) If all of that is not enough, the dirty bomb collapses a building.

We do not have an exact location where this is happening, the National
Guard doesn't even know. It is supposed to simulate a real life
situation so, nobody knows until it starts.

It will be May 2-4.

Considering that "drills" were taking place the morning of 9/11 and
7/7 there is always the remote possibility that this is cover for
another "inside job". We pray to God that it is not.

Chicago, be alert that Tuesday, May 2nd, Wednesday, May 3rd, and
Thursday, May 4th.

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From: "Graham Jukes" <grahamjukes@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: April 23, 2006 12:52:17 AM EST
Subject: 2 Articles:- What 'international community' are we talking
about? / What's Kosher, What's Not; also Berlusconi, Friend of Israel

:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?
page=2006%5C04%5C22%5Cstory_22-4-2006_pg3_2

VIEW: What ‘international community’ are we talking about? — Farish A
Noor

Where does this near-mythical “international community” reside? How
come President Bush alone seems so close to this invisible community
and knows so much about its secrets? Is President Bush himself a secret
member of this “international community”?

Politics, particularly of the international variety, is often best
served on a bed of dubious generalities. Witness the spectacular
affront to human rights worldwide occasioned by the so-called War on
Terror — a dubious construct if there ever was one. Thus far we have
been fed a steady dose of lukewarm political dishes likewise predicated
on amorphous concepts like “freedom”, “liberty”, “humanity” and such
like. There has been little effort to fill out these grand concepts and
tell us exactly about the category of “human” we are fighting for.

Currently yet another grandiose concept, “the international community”,
is in circulation. It sounds too good to be true. We don’t know who or
what this community is, but apparently the community is quite annoyed
with the government of Iran for doing what other governments in other
parts of the world have been doing all along: developing the know-how
and technological base for the development of nuclear fuel and possibly
nuclear weapons.

Iran is merely the latest member of a steadily growing club of nations
that includes the United States of America, Britain, France, Russia,
China, India and Pakistan. Other members have chosen to conceal their
membership for fear of courting the envy of their neighbours. Israel is
an interesting case. The world already knows it has nuclear weapons
capability.

Nonetheless it would appear that the entry of Iran into the global
nuclear club has incurred the wrath of the “international community”.
President Bush Jr, the current occupant of the White House, seems to
have intimate knowledge and relations with the “international
community” for he keeps referring to it in his speeches and diatribes
against an intransigent Iran. The “international community”, he informs
us, is deeply worried about Iran’s nuclear capability. Then comes the
warning that the “international community” will not rest till the
question of Iran’s nuclear status is satisfactorily resolved. Finally
there is an ultimatum from the “international community” that Iran’s
nuclear programme will not be tolerated and that decisive steps will be
taken to ensure that Iran does not go fully nuclear.

If so, this mysterious community has to be rather small indeed. For
some time now analysts and researchers have been looking for the
fabulous community. Apparently it is not to be found in the General
Assembly of the United Nations, for thus far the members of the UN have
not spoken with a single voice on the issue of Iran and her acquisition
of nuclear arms and technology. At other international forums too one
has not caught sight of this nebulous community.

As time wears on, it has become evident that the “international
community” President Bush keeps talking about is made up of himself,
his aides and allies and a handful of subservient middle-power states
around Western Europe that don’t seem to have an independent foreign
policy of their own. If indeed the “international community” President
Bush talks about refers to the USA, Britain, France and a few other
West European middle powers, one can point out that it hardly amounts
to an international community. (They could invite, at least for the
sake of political correctness, a petty African or Asian state to join
the gang.)

So it would appear that all the rhetorical pyrotechnics about the
concern and efforts of the “international community” boil down to the
unilateral efforts and ambitions of a sole superpower with a handful of
willing crony states in tow. Like several other grand notions and murky
ideas sold recently by the USA, it would appear to be little more than
a guise for American unilateralism thinly dressed in rainbow colours to
lend it an air of diversity.

The rest of the real world on the other hand — that means the rest of
the planet that may not figure all that prominently on President Bush’s
mental map — seems to be more ambivalent about the Iranian nuclear
programme. Few Asian, African, Arab or Latin American countries have
shown any discomfort at Iran’s new status. Perhaps the reason for this
is simply that other Asian, African and Latin American countries do not
wish to meddle in Iran’s domestic affairs.

Listening to the rhetoric of the “international community” that bears
the heavy stamp of America and Americanism, one cannot help but make
the same comparison with the title of the American sports tournaments
dubbed “the World Series”. With its claim to global significance and
import, the title sounds typically American and pretentious. Someone
ought to remind the Americans that when they play out their “World
Series” they are in fact playing only among themselves. A case of deja
vu perhaps?

Dr Farish A Noor is a Malaysian political scientist and human rights
activist, based at the Zentrum Moderner Orient (ZMO), Berlin

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From: Kevin Barrett <khidria@merr.com>
Date: April 22, 2006 4:38:09 PM EST
To: MUJCA.3@gatorgraphics.net
Subject: MUJCA News: Veterans for 9/11 Truth: "Mayday! Mayday! Fly Your
Flags Upside Down!"

FIRST ANOTHER WORD FROM OUR SPONSORS:

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Confirmed keynote speakers include Steven Jones, the Brigham Young
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http://www.thekingcenter.com/tkc/trial.html

We've also booked synthetic terror analyst Webster Tarpley; Peter
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This conference is about finding a strategy for winning. We're halfway
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We now return to MUJCA News...

1) Veterans for 9/11 Truth launch "Fly Your Flag Upside-Down"
distress-signal campaign.
I don't know about you, but I'm going to go out and invest in thousands
of those little flag stickers and stick them upside-down EVERYWHERE --
on corporate newspaper vending boxes, pay phones, restroom walls, light
poles, stop signs, you name it. This may be technically illegal, but so
is murdering 2,500 Americans to start an endless war. In the current
state of 9/11 truth emergency, WE HAVE NO DULY CONSTITUTED LEGITIMATE
GOVERNMENT, and hence ordinary legal restrictions no longer apply, and
will not apply until we prosecute the 9/11 criminals and restore
something resembling legitimate governance. Though John Prine may be
right that "your flag decal won't get you into heaven any more," God
will surely smile on those who stick thousands of them, everywhere,
upside-down.
http://www.v911t.org/

2) Mayday! Mayday! 9/11 Truth Emergency on Wisconsin Public Radio!
In a stunning about-face, previously-9/11-truth-phobic Wisconsin Public
Radio books no-nonsense 9/11 agitator Morgan Reynolds for a drive-time
interview on May Day!
http://milwaukee.indymedia.org/en/2006/04/205324.shtml
The show will be available on-line at: http://www.wpr.org/cardin/

and longtime 9/11 truth supporter Erskine of the Genesis Communications
Network writes:

Kevin,
I've booked Morgan Reynolds to be on Erskine Overnight @ 11PM
(Central)April
29th. I did this in part to help advertise his upcoming speach in
Madison.
Please GET OUT THE WORD to listen to Dr. Reynolds and call-in to your
group
& others. You can listen by going to www.Erskineonradio.com or
www.GCNLIVE.com or in MADISON simply turn to 1670 AM WTDY @ 11:00 PM
Saturday to hear Dr. Reynolds. I assured him we will promote his
upcoming
visit.
Erskine

Mayday! Mayday! 9/11 Truth Emergency on Wisconsin Public Radio!

Kevin Barrett, 21.04.2006 18:23

Wisconsin Public Radio will celebrate May 1st, the international
revolutionary holiday, by hosting ex-Bush Administration official and
current 9/11 truth revolutionary Morgan Reynolds on the Joy Cardin
show, 8 - 9 a.m. http://www.wpr.org/cardin/

WANTED FOR TREASON: BUSH AND CHENEY

Dr. Morgan Reynolds, the top Labor Department economist during Bush
Jr.'s first term, resigned in disgust after two years of service. He
has since charged that his own former administration colleagues
orchestrated the demolition of the World Trade Center and thus the
murder of 2500 Americans, to launch their pre-planned "long war" in the
Middle East.

Wisconsin Public Radio's decision to host Reynolds during drive time
represents a revolutionary programming decision--and a sign that a 9/11
truth revolution is brewing:
----------

http://www.mujca.com/truthrevolution.htm
In the past, hosts like Cardin have been reluctant to discuss 9/11
truth, and it has taken persistent lobbying campaigns to get David
Griffin on two WPR shows during the past two years. The decision to
interview Reynolds was taken without pressure from listeners, meaning
that WPR has apparently decided that an ex-administration member who
charges that 9/11 was an inside job represents a newsworthy story. Hats
off to WPR for this brave exercise of sound news judgment.

Reynolds will be speaking at the Wisconsin State Historical Society at
3:00 p.m. on Saturday, May 6th. The film Loose Change will be shown and
discussed beginning at 1 p.m. The Wisconsin State Historical Society is
in the heart of the University of Wisconsin-Madison campus, at the
corner of Park and Langdon streets, across from the U.W. Memorial
Union. Parking is available in the Lake Street ramp at Lake and State
Streets. For more information see:
----------

http://mujca.com/bushwhacked.htm

After Reynolds' appearance, the 9/11 truth revolution will spread like
wildfire from Madison to Chicago, where on June 2nd through June 4th an
international 9/11 truth convention will set the Windy City ablaze with
truth--potentially the most revolutionary event there since the 1968
Democratic convention. A long list of 9/11 truth luminaries, scholars
and activists will appear, including physicist Steven Jones, whose
papers and talks proving the controlled demolition of the World Trade
Center have rocked the world.

----------

http://911truth.org/ChicagoConference.htm

Forty years ago, Madison and Chicago hosted historic insurgencies that
helped get the nation out of a bloody, futile war. History is about to
repeat itself. Please join the revolution--come to Madison for Morgan
Reynolds' talk on May 6th, and on to Chicago June 2nd.

3) Scholars Call Moussaoui Trial a "Charade;" See Constitutional
Rights on Trial; Describe Accused as Patsy
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/4/prweb375105.htm
Witness tampering, faked evidence, inflammatory testimony display
political motives and confirm Charlie Sheen's concerns, experts claim.

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From: "paul illich" <paul_illich@hotmail.com>
Date: April 22, 2006 7:28:05 AM EST
To: bluegreenearth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bluegreenearth] fwd: Ecological Internet 2.0 Launches on
Earth Day
Reply-To: bluegreenearth@yahoogroups.com

Ecological Internet 2.0 Launches on Earth Day
Celebrate Earth Day with New and Improved Climate, Environment
and Water Portals

April 22, 2006
From Ecological Internet, Inc.
http://www.ecologicalinternet.org/
Contact: Dr. Glen Barry, glenbarry@ecologicalinternet.org,
+1 (920) 776-1075

New version 2.0 sites:
Climate Ark Climate Change and Global Warming Portal
http://www.climateark.org/
EcoEarth.Info Environment Portal
http://www.ecoearth.info/
Water Conserve: Water Conservation Portal
http://www.waterconserve.org/

Denmark, Wisconsin, USA - The world's leading environmental web
portals have undergone a major renovation that is being unveiled
today as the United States celebrates Earth Day. Ecological
Internet's long-established and popular climate, water and
environment portals now feature new modern "version 2.0" graphic
interfaces and updated search engine capabilities.

Ecological Internet's President, Dr. Glen Barry, explains "these
environmental portals are today rededicated to uniting cutting
edge information retrieval technologies and ecological science,
in order to provide the knowledge base necessary to respond to
deteriorating climate, water and terrestrial ecosystems, and to
facilitate the development and implementation of policies
sufficient to attain global ecological sustainability in our
lifetimes."

Ecological Internet, Inc. -- a non-profit charity formerly named
Forests.org -- specializes in the use of the Internet to achieve
environmental conservation outcomes. Ecological Internet's
mission is to empower the global movement for environmental
sustainability by providing information retrieval tools, portal
services and analysis that aid in the conservation of climate,
forest, ocean and water ecosystems; and to commence the age of
ecological restoration.

Ecological Internet has long been a pioneer in the use of the
Internet for environmental advocacy. Online since 1993 and one
of the first 10,000 web sites, the non-governmental organization
was incubated as Dr. Barry's Ph.D. project at the University of
Wisconsin-Madison, and has grown to be the most substantial and
effective environmental conservation portal and action network
in the world. Approximately one million users visit Ecological
Internet a month. Ecological Internet's action network regularly
helps achieve conservation outcomes, most recently in the Congo
and Indonesia.

Climate Ark 2.0 is the world's largest, most comprehensive and
most used climate change portal. The site has tracked climate
news and links continuously since 1999 and is used by about
10,000 people a day. The site's unprecedented climate change
search engine makes fully searchable several thousand carefully
reviewed leading climate change information sources, or nearly
one million climate change URL's from throughout the Internet.

EcoEarth.Info (formerly the Eco-Portal) has also been
operational since 1999 and is the world's most exhaustive
environment portal. The search engine is the largest online
environment search index in existence, and the Earth Blog at
http://www.ecoearth.info/blog/ provides a constant stream of
analysis of the most important environmental developments of the
day. Water Conserve 2.0 is a newer offering, in existence since
2003, and now features a water blog which highlights important
water conservation policy developments.

This massive web redevelopment effort was made possible entirely
through the generosity of small individual donations from
Ecological Internet's network participants. Following its
completion, attention will now turn towards additional content
development including more original writing and action
campaigns, and identification of site sponsors including grants,
individual donors and advertising. Ecological Internet's web
portals accept limited advertising to support the efforts - and
are providing tasteful banners and links on their homepages in
return.

Ecological Internet takes a biocentric approach, seeking
ecological science based policy responses adequate to address
the range of environmental crises which threaten the Earth and
her humanity. More on Ecological Internet's campaign goals can
be found at: http://www.ecoearth.info/campaigns/ . Dr. Barry is
a conservation biologist and ecologist by training and daily
spends hours tracking environmental news and science. He is
available to comment upon international environmental policy.

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Tide Turns on Dubya's
wreck

By Mike Carlton
April 22, 2006

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/tide-turns-on-dubyas-wreck/2006/04/
21/1145344276318.html

SYDNEY, NSW, is a long way from Washington DC but, even at this
distance, it is clear that the Bush Administration is falling to
pieces.

In recent weeks, scanning the political coverage in the mainstream US
media and sampling the blogs has been to watch a flood tide ebbing to
reveal a rotting, skeletal hulk. It is the George W. Bush ship of
fools, stuck in the mud for the world to see in all its mendacity, its
incompetence, its faith-based stupidity.

It is possible, at this late stage, that even Bush himself has begun to
realise something is wrong. That oddly simian face is ashen, the eyes
leaden. The voice is shrill and its tone defensive.

"I'm the decider and I decide what's best," he squawked to reporters in
the White House rose garden the other day, as the screws turned tighter
on his disastrous Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. Can you imagine
Roosevelt, Eisenhower or Kennedy blurting something like that?

Rummy is looking knackered too, with six retired generals going public
to agree that he is "incompetent strategically, operationally and
tactically", to quote one of them.

These men would have been junior officers in Vietnam, veterans of the
all-American nightmare they now see replicated in Iraq. They don't want
the mad old warmonger doing it over again in Iran. As former Marine
Corps Lieutenant-General Gregory Newbold wrote in Time magazine: "... we
must never again stand by quietly while those ignorant of and casual
about war lead us into another one and then mismanage the conduct of
it".

But the Middle East quicksands are not all that is killing Bush's
presidency. Domestically, the rot is wide and deep. It is a budget
deficit blowing out towards $US700 billion this financial year as Dubya
juggles to fund his war while stealing from the American and immigrant
poor to bestow tax cuts on the rich.

It is criminal sleaze in Washington, with the Republicans' favourite
influence peddler, Jack Abramoff, headed for jail, and one of Bush's
closest Texan buddies, the disgraced House Majority Leader, Tom DeLay,
not far behind him.

It is arrogant, Nixonian trampling of the law to order the wiretapping
of American citizens and the leaking of national security secrets. It
is the rape of the environment to enrich big business, especially big
oil. And resonating with ordinary Americans most of all, it is the loss
of the city of New Orleans - not by Hurricane Katrina but by the
bottomless incompetence of the feds' post-apocalypse response.

This is a trash presidency, founded on lies and knavery, fraud and
ignorant ideological crackpottery.

KARL ROVE is another faux-Texan wheeler-dealer sometimes described as
Bush's brain, a courtier most often seen superglued to the presidential
right ear. Pink and pudgy, he looks like one of Disney's three little
pigs, although infinitely more smug.

Rove was shunted sideways this week in a shuffle of the White House
deck chairs which also saw Dubya's press secretary lose his job. His
new assignment will be to divert the Republican Party from the coming
train wreck of the Congressional mid-term elections this November.

That will be crucial to the survival of this gang. If the Democrats
regain control of Congress, there would be a good chance of them moving
to impeach Bush for high crimes and misdemeanours.

The famous Watergate journalist Carl Bernstein raised just that
possibility in a recent article in Vanity Fair magazine. "We have never
had a presidency in which the single unifying thread that flows through
its major decision-making was incompetence stitched together with
hubris and mendacity on a Nixonian scale," he wrote.

Exactly. Compared to this lot, Bill Clinton was John the Baptist.

THE next question is this: what will the Howard Government do when Bush
and co decide to bomb Iran?

On past performance, Australia will be the kiddie on the sideline,
panting to join the team: "Pick me, pick me." That, of course, is how
we wangled our way into Iraq.

To quote the admirable US Marine Lieutenant-General Newbold again: "My
sincere view is that the commitment of our forces to this fight was
done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of
those who have never had to execute these missions - or bury the
results."

As we have seen, John Howard and Lord Downer are terrific at casual
swagger, although neither has ever heard a bullet go pffwt-pzzz through
the rubber trees. Luckily, they have not had results to bury. But next
time we might not be so easily conned. After the never-ever GST,
children overboard, Iraq, WorkChoices, AWB and now Papua, Howard has
lost public trust. The moment we hear him blather that no decision has
been made for war, that everyone is working for a peaceful solution to
the Iran crisis - that's when we know the SAS is already there.

When the shoulders go back, the chin goes up and the lower lip juts
out, you know the Prime Minister is lying.

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From: "paul illich" <paul_illich@hotmail.com>
Date: April 22, 2006 12:13:53 PM EST
To: bluegreenearth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bluegreenearth] fwd: Australian troops dispatched to Solomon
Islands to suppress locals

Australian troops dispatched to Solomon Islands to suppress local
population
Statement by the Socialist Equality Party (Australia)
21 April 2006

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Nearly three years after its virtual takeover of the Solomon Islands,
the Howard government has sent fresh contingents of troops and police
to put down serious political and social unrest in the small South
Pacific country. The Socialist Equality Party unequivocally opposes
this neo-colonial operation. Its aim is to suppress the Solomons
people and reinforce Australian military and economic hegemony over
the region.

This week'’s emergency deployments of more than 300 heavily-armed
soldiers and police serve to shatter the myth, carefully cultivated
by the Australian political and media establishment, that the
Australian-led military intervention in July 2003 was a humanitarian
mission to bring peace, prosperity and democracy.

In 2003, the 2,500-strong Regional Assistance Mission to the Solomon
Islands (RAMSI) force was supposedly dispatched to protect the local
population from rival ethnic gangs and gunmen. Now, the troops have
been deployed openly against the population itself—to quell mass
demonstrations and rioting involving thousands of ordinary people in
the capital, Honiara.

For all Australian Prime Minister John Howard’s talk of “restoring
democracy,” his government has intervened to protect and prop up an
openly corrupt elite, which has helped Canberra rule the country over
the past three years. It has done so in clear defiance of the wishes
of the voters who, at a general election on April 5, threw out the
Australian-backed government of Sir Allan Kemakeza and his deputy
prime minister Snyder Rini.

The immediate trigger for the eruption of widespread political
protests, followed by looting and burning throughout Honiara’s
commercial and tourist districts, was Rini’s installation as prime
minister-designate on Tuesday. Rini’s selection—in a closed-door
meeting of the 50 newly-elected members of parliament after several
days of horse-trading—was clearly the product of what local people
call “money politics”.

On April 5, voters had done their best to oust the Kemakeza-Rini
regime. In an election closely monitored and certified as “free and
secret” by 50 Australian-led international observers, some 453
candidates and 13 party groupings contested the 50 seats, with more
than 300 of the candidates listed as independents. Many called for
the defeat of incumbents accused of corruption. As a result,
Kemakeza’s government was routed. Half the parliament, including 11
of Kemakeza’s 20 Peoples Alliance Party MPs, lost their seats. Rini
barely survived, retaining his seat with just 29 percent of the vote
under the “first past the post” balloting system.

Having voted out a notoriously corrupt government, the Solomons
people discovered on Tuesday that much the same group had returned to
office, via backdoor methods, reportedly involving bribes of
thousands of dollars. Kemakeza had stood aside from the parliamentary
ballot and endorsed Rini, but his former deputy initially secured
only 17 votes, against 22 for Job Dudley Tausinga, whose Rural
Advancement Party had gained popularity by calling for an end to
corruption, and 11 for former prime minister Manasseh Sogavare. For
the final count, 10 MPs switched to Rini, giving him a 27 to 23
margin over Tausinga.

Just two weeks earlier, the Australian media had hailed the holding
of the general election, the first since the RAMSI takeover, as proof
of the “success” of the military intervention in returning democracy
to the Solomon Islands. But the routing of Kemakeza’s government
served to demonstrate, above all, the level of popular hostility to
the country’s tiny political and financial elites. Courtesy of the
RAMSI occupation, which has taken over all the key posts in the
country’s police, prisons, courts, finance ministry and other
government departments, these people have seized upon the opportunity
to further enrich themselves.

While money has poured in for luxury hotels, expensive supermarkets
and upmarket shops and cafes to cater for the highly-paid RAMSI
officials and officers, and profitable investments have been made in
fishing, timber, tourism and mining to plunder the islands’ rich
resources, the already appalling conditions facing ordinary people
have only deteriorated. Out of a population of 550,000, an estimated
80,000 are jobless or underemployed. Nothing has been done to restore
thousands of public sector jobs, provide decent housing or repair
devastated education, health care and other basic services.

To pursue their own interests, RAMSI and the Howard government
deliberately kept Kemakeza in office. He had been under police
investigation for misappropriating compensation funds for victims of
communal fighting, while his own family received $1.5 million. But
moves to prosecute Kemakeza in 2003 stalled, after Howard publicly
expressed confidence in his Solomons counterpart. Having
rubberstamped the Australian military intervention, Kemakeza was
regarded as an important political asset despite his connections with
the Malaitan Eagle Force (MEF)—one of the country’s militias. By
contrast, four of Kemakeza’s ministers who voiced mild criticisms of
the RAMSI takeover were promptly dismissed and charged with
corruption offences.

As soon as Rini was named prime minister, an angry crowd besieged the
parliament building, claiming the election was fixed and the votes
had been bought. After four hours, Rini and his parliamentary
supporters were rescued by RAMSI officers, who provoked a violent
confrontation by opening fire with tear gas. They overrode the
relevant parliamentary authority, the Speaker, Sir Peter Kenilorea,
who accused them of ignoring his request for more time for talks with
the demonstrators. Kenilorea told reporters he had asked the officers
“not to use tear gas on them because it would simply aggravate the
situation”.

In the ensuing clashes, 28 police officers, including 17 Australians,
were reportedly injured when they were pelted with stones. In
addition, nine Australian police cars were torched and others
damaged. Anti-government and anti-RAMSI protests then spread across
Honiara, accompanied by looting of upmarket hotels, shops and
businesses throughout Tuesday night and Wednesday.

Howard later claimed there was no evidence of hostility toward RAMSI.
Yet buildings associated with the RAMSI force were specifically
targetted. One Australian eyewitness, an Air Vanuatu pilot, said that
the newly-built 104-room Pacific Casino Hotel was filled with
Australian tourists, RAMSI officials and staff from international aid
organisations when it came under attack by a stone-throwing crowd.

Some of the looting seemed indiscriminate, as people took off with
anything of value they could find—--a measure of the poverty and pent-
up social tensions. There were reports of teenagers and women
carrying away basic foodstuffs, such as bags of rice, and elementary
school requirements, such as pencils and marker pens.

Disturbing signs also emerged of racialist politics being injected
into the crisis as a deeply reactionary diversion from the real
culprits and underlying causes of the widening social divide. Chinese
and other Asian business people were blamed for bankrolling vote-
buying and corruption, and most of Honiara’s Chinatown district was
burnt down, with people of Asian descent being attacked or
threatened, simply on the basis of their skin colour or appearance.

Those actually responsible for imposing the social and economic
catastrophe in the Solomon Islands are now using colonial-style
methods to suppress the inevitable discontent, with heavily-armed
soldiers patrolling city streets. Before the troops arrived, the
Australian-appointed commander of the Solomon Islands police, Shane
Castles, met the country’s governor-general and instructed him to
invoke emergency powers to impose a dusk-to-dawn curfew and “lock-
down” Honiara. Police and troops were given sweeping powers to ban
assemblies, order people off the streets, set up road blocks, carry
out searches and arrest anyone on the basis of “suspicion” of
involvement in, or inciting, unrest.

While an uneasy clampdown is currently being imposed, none of the
underlying tensions have gone away. Howard and Foreign Affairs
Minister, Alexander Downer, have declared their readiness to send in
more troops if necessary to quell any further disturbances after Rini
was secretly sworn-in yesterday.

In 2003, many Solomon Islands people may have initially believed
Canberra’'s claims to be acting in their interests. The country had
been engulfed in political turmoil since the 1997-98 Asian financial
crisis caused an economic breakdown, followed by punishing job cuts
and austerity measures imposed by the IMF and World Bank. The ensuing
downward spiral ignited fighting between rival armed gangs from the
main islands of Malaita and Guadalcanal, leading to the virtual
collapse of social services and the police force.

Over the past three years, however, social conditions for the
majority of the population have not improved and the role of RAMSI as
an occupying force has become increasingly evident. Far from raising
living standards, RAMSI has focussed on implementing further economic
restructuring. One of the first actions of the inaugural RAMSI chief,
Australian official Nick Warner, was to insist on the reversal of a
small wage rise of $8 a fortnight for lowly-paid public sector
workers who were earning about $30 a week. By contrast, Australian
advisers and consultants were being paid salaries 100 times higher—
around $14,000 a month.

Neo-colonial operation

The RAMSI intervention was never aimed at helping Solomon Islanders,
but at re-asserting Canberra’s traditional sphere of influence in the
South West Pacific. After joining the Iraq invasion, Howard almost
immediately drew on Washington’s support to mount his own “pre-
emptive action”. Branding the Solomons a “failed state” that could
become a breeding ground for “international terrorists and
criminals”, he bullied Honiara into accepting an Australian
occupation and other Pacific Islands nations into backing his plan.

For the past three years Howard has helped prop up a thoroughly
discredited political and business elite. Now he is exploiting the
resulting social conflicts to further bolster the Australian
government’s position as the strongman of the region, with the loyal
support of Helen Clark’s Labour government in New Zealand, a smaller
regional power. At Howard’s request, police reinforcements have been
sent from New Zealand and Fiji.

Howard yesterday declared that Australian forces would remain
committed in the South Pacific for the “long-term” to deal with
“failed states”. In language reminiscent of the “white man’s burden”
claims for colonising Africa in the nineteenth century, he insisted
that as “the biggest and wealthiest and strongest country in the
region,” Australia had to “shoulder the burden” of restoring stability.

Echoed by the Australian media, Howard and Downer have seized upon
the racist component of the riots, as well as a fierce contest
between Taiwan and China for influence over the region, as an added
pretext for sending in troops. Downer referred to “racially-inspired
riots” and Taiwanese “influence-peddling” as reasons for extending
the RAMSI operation for “quite some time to come yet”.

These comments reveal Canberra’s growing preoccupation with defending
its position in the South Pacific under conditions of intensifying
rivalries. Taiwan gives about $4 million annually in financial aid to
the Solomons, one of half a dozen countries in the South Pacific that
diplomatically recognises Taiwan rather than mainland China.

Taipei also provides a secret prime ministerial slush fund, which is
allegedly used to buy MPs’ loyalty. Rini, a former finance minister,
has visited Taiwan and his party, the Association of Independent
Members (AIM), is accused of being a Taiwanese-sponsored caucus. AIM
gatherings were reportedly held at Honiara’s Flamingo Nightclub under
the patronage of prominent businessman Sir Thomas Chan, whose son was
Kemakeza’s foreign minister.

On the day Rini was anointed prime minister, troops from two visiting
Taiwanese naval ships staged a parade in a Honiara sporting stadium,
in a not-too-subtle display of diplomatic muscle. The visit came just
weeks after Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao landed in Fiji for talks with
the eight South Pacific nations that recognise Beijing, rewarding
them with offers of $US375 million worth of preferential loans.

For its part, Canberra doles out hundreds of millions a year in the
region. Moreover, it has sent police and officials to supervise the
governments of Papua New Guinea (PNG) and Fiji, as well as setting up
what legal experts have labelled a “parallel government” in the
Solomons. For the RAMSI operation alone, the Howard government had
budgetted $850 million for 2005-09, even before the latest expansion
of its intervention. The “money politics” of the Solomon Islands is
financed, above all, by Australia.

And definite interests are at stake. While Australian governments
have long been totally indifferent to the plight of its people, the
Solomon Islands is a strategically-located country of 992 islands
covering more than a million square kilometres of ocean between PNG
and Fiji. It was first occupied by the British in the nineteenth
century and proclaimed a protectorate, in order to counter the German
takeover of Papua to the west and the French colonisation of Vanuatu
and New Caledonia to the south.

In the opening years of the twenty-first century, the region is once
again the target of imperialist rivalry. The Australian’s foreign
editor Greg Sheridan voiced the neo-colonial designs of the
Australian ruling class in an opinion column yesterday. He declared
that “independence has been a disaster” throughout Melanesia, which
covers seven million people in PNG, the Solomons, Fiji and Vanuatu.
Sheridan contemptuously blamed “Melanesian culture” for being
“warlike and tribal” and “comprehensively corrupt” and therefore
unsuited to democracy.

Sheridan went on to say that while he was not pushing recolonisation,
Australia had decolonised PNG “far too quickly” in 1975. Moreover, he
asserted, “Melanesian culture,” particularly “communal ideas of
property ownership,” made “serious economic development almost
impossible”. Australia, he insisted, “has adopted some of the burdens
of colonialism and will inevitably have to deal with the most serious
security problems in the Melanesian world... We are likely to be in
the Solomon Islands for a long, long time to come”.

In other words, the mission should take complete command of the
region indefinitely, not only in order to protect the predatory
interests of Australian capitalism but to batter down resistance to
the imposition of a corporate free-market agenda.

Responsibility for the violent and dictatorial methods now being
unleashed in the Solomons lies with the entire Australian political
establishment. Over the past three years, the Howard government’s
intervention has received unanimous support from all the
parliamentary “opposition” parties—Labor, the Greens and Democrats.
Labor leader Kim Beazley’s only criticisms of the latest deployment
have been from the right—accusing the government of not sending
enough troops and not acting earlier.

The police-state methods being employed on the streets of Honiara are
a warning of what is being prepared for the streets of Sydney,
Melbourne and other Australian cities as anger erupts over the
mounting social and economic crisis at home. Working people in
Australia must oppose the Howard government’s military intervention
into the Solomon Islands by developing a common struggle with the
working class and oppressed masses of the entire Asia-Pacific region
against Australian imperialism and its ruthless political and
economic agenda.

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Message 8
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:45am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Judaism

Fake Zionists just as there are fake Christians and Muslims. Convert or die,
in the name of peace!

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Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism

that clears up alot,

didn't realize that zionism was an intrinsic part of Judaism, if i'm
understanding this correctly, there are fake zionists running around out
there giving the real jews a bad name?

so how does theodore herzl tie into the zionism?

I mean I don't know that's why it is important to have an open discussion
instead of slamming people down and banning, angie's crimes. there is no off
topic subject because that's contradictory to the no censorship.

you have some place where you can direct me to in order to learn more?

I'm taking a vacation from moderation for some time, this whole thing has
left me exhausted.

Ray Antoky <rayantoky@aol.com> wrote:

Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
Judaism.

Ray Antoky
Bklyn

PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
reinstatement.

In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and
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costs nothing to be a pat! riot.
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Message 9
From: "JP Liggett" JP@JPLiggett.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:00am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Judaism

yes and no.

Real Zionists use Judaism as both a cover and patsy for their means to
reach "the promised land"

I would characterize fake Zionists as mercenaries used to sow FUD is
various area's of society. Whether they're paid or only follow their
"Zionist" beliefs, these people are constantly pushing society to harbor
fears of Muslims in order to terrorize/divide us. It's so obvious who this
benefits. Being a Jew, with friends who are Muslim, we are all brothers.
We all love our children.

This show had some interesting perspectives on the nag hamadi find from a
religious scholar about the gnostic Christians:
Aired: 2005-08-10 Show: 3868VA (Radio Archives)
Timothy Freke: "The Laughing Jesus:Religious Lies and Gnostic
Wisdom","Lucid Living","Jesus and the Lost Goddess"-the secret teachings of
the original Christians.timothyfreke.com
http://garynull.com/apps/mediadb/search_archives.php?pageID=16

The establishment can't afford peace, think about all the jobs in the
military - industrial complex, prisons and law enforcement, maybe 3-4
million total? This translates to a movement of 24 million people needed
to thoroughly change our society. We have to cause a huge breakout of 9-11
truth to the masses. Think about the banks profits in the cycle of
destruction and construction. Until we outlaw money, close the federal
reserve and nationalize all banks and the military industrial complex,
we'll continue to be slaves.

check out some wall street shows, interesting perspectives:
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Fake Zionists just as there are fake Christians and Muslims. Convert or
die, in the name of peace!

that clears up alot,

didn't realize that zionism was an intrinsic part of Judaism, if i'm
understanding this correctly, there are fake zionists running around
out there giving the real jews a bad name?

so how does theodore herzl tie into the zionism?

I mean I don't know that's why it is important to have an open
discussion instead of slamming people down and banning, angie's
crimes. there is no off topic subject because that's contradictory to
the no censorship.

you have some place where you can direct me to in order to learn
more?

I'm taking a vacation from moderation for some time, this whole thing
has left me exhausted.

Ray Antoky <rayantoky@aol.com> wrote:

Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
Judaism.

For many outsiders and non practicing Jews such as Mark Bilk, Judaism

is some incomprehensible black hole. From the inside, one attempts to

develop a relationship with the creator based on the words of the
scriptures and the commentaries. While Jews have met with and earned
great success throughout the ages they have also suffered greatly,
due to non-adherence to the tenets of our creed, so the explanation
is given.
Religious Jews always yearn for the return to Zion which would be the

reinstatement of a Jewish theocratic state charcterized with the
rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem and the coming of the Messiah
(Mashiach). It has not happened. Jews are still in exile, even those
living in the land where this redemption should take place. True
Zionism is merely yearning for this redemption to take place. Rising
up against those who would attempt to destroy you or prevent you from

achieving your legitimate objective is required. Non practicing Jews
whose motivation is unenlightened cannot represent those who
understand that salvation and reinstatement into a homeland of peace
cannot happen unless the nation of Jews is deemed worthy. If certain
Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and influence and
use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not entitle

them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is
Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members of

the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of
their Jewish roots?
Too much merging is going on.
As we can see from the ugly events that always seem to come to pass
in the world, mankind has a war with its evil inclination. True
Judaism encourages the conquering of that inclination.
Zionism is merely an intrinsic part of Judaism which cannot be
separated. You cannot be a true Zionist without full acceptance of
the Truth of all the commandments of the Torah and its commentaries.
This requires study and doing the research just like Charlie
Sheen 'did the research'on 9/11. Anyone else claiming to be a Zionist

is an imposter and anyone separating Zionism from Judaism does not
understand either term. True Zionism is intrinsic to Judaism, like it

or not.

Ray Antoky
Bklyn

PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
reinstatement.

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From: "reggie501" reggie501@optonline.net
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:01am(PDT)
Subject: Bush Meets Quietly with Iran War Supporters! tvnl news

HEADLINES and NEWS LINKS Courtesy of TvNewsLies.org
http://tvnewslies.org/news
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Apr.23-2006

WAR : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#war

· No vehicle could have saved Canadian soldiers
**Bush Meets Privately With Think Tank Promoting Military Strike
On Iran - Why is this significant? The Hoover Institution is a
think tank that has been aggressively promoting the viability of
a preemptive military strike in Iran.
· 3 GIs Killed by Roadside Bomb in Baghdad - Five Americans
soldiers died Saturday in bombings in the southern area of
the capital.

ECONOMY : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news#economy

· IMF wins new powers to police global economy

9/11 News : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#911

· Why 911 Lies are easier to believe than 911 Truth
· Ex-U.S. attorney arraigned in 9/11 case - accused of misleading
a jury in the first terrorism trial to result from the federal
probe of the 9/11 attacks.

CONGRESS : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#congress

· Senior Democrat on House ethics committee stepping down

DOMESTIC : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#domestic

· Campgrounds face closure - Tucked away in a corner of the U.S.
Forest Service Web site are plans and documents which could lead
to the closure of hundreds of campground water systems and
ultimately, hundreds of campgrounds themselves throughout the
national forest system.

INTERNATIONAL : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#international

· Avoiding Political Talk, Saudis and Chinese Build Trade
· Farmer suicide on rise as India's rural crisis deepens
· Russia Warns Against Threatening Iran

MILITARY & VETERANS : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#military

· VA Contracts Go to Ex-Chief's Company - A Diamond Bar company
headed by former Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony J. Principi
could get fees exceeding $1 billion from the VA, much of it on
contracts approved and amended while he ran the agency
· Young Officers Join the Debate Over Rumsfeld

JOURNALISM & MEDIA : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#media

· McLaughlin's Corporate Medicine Infomercial

HEALTH & SCIENCE : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#health

· Inter-Agency Advisory Regarding Claims That Smoked Marijuana
Is a Medicine

OF INTEREST : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#interest

· Anthrax inventory doesn't add up at lab - Two vials with the
bacteria may be missing. State health officials said it's most
likely that clerical error is to blame.
· The Vatican Is A Cesspool Of Satanism With Masonic Lodge
Connections
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Email the Oprah Winfrey today for a program to reopen 9/11!!
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Message 11
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:36am(PDT)
Subject: Why 911 Lies are easier to believe than 911 Truth

Monday, April 25, 2005
Why 911 Lies are easier to believe than 911 Truth

TV News Lies published an essay which shows the main
problem facing 911-truth types when trying to persuade
their fellow citizens (See also Signs of the Times for
some interesting commentary on that essay). The crime
is so big and would require so much rethinking on the
part of people that they won't consider the truth of
the matter no matter how much persuasive evidence is
amassed:

In this post 9/11 era, most Americans are unable
even to consider the possibility of US government
complicity in the attacks on our nation even when
confronted with a mountain of evidence. In contrast,
many of these same people accept far less believable
scenarios simply on the basis of faith and without a
single shred of evidence such as believing in the
existence of a God. Tragically, they seem to have the
exact same blind trust in the Bush administration.

At close inspection, the official version of 9/11
is outrageously full of holes. When those of us who
are knowledgeable discuss the evidence that has been
unearthed about that day, there is so much to reveal
that we don't know where to start or where to stop.
When tapped for what we know, we have so much to
expose that the torrent of information that rushes can
sound like the meaningless rant of a lunatic.
Regardless of how credible or tangible the evidence,
when rolled out in front of the public, it often
sounds too farfetched or irrational to believe.

The facts that have come out about 9/11 differ so
greatly from the official story that they almost defy
validity. On the contrary, the official version is so
simple as to be perfectly believable. It places the
entire blame on the work of a handful of terrorists
who hated us for our freedom. Case closed.

It is important to keep in mind that the 9/11
issue is not simply a question of whose version of a
story is correct. This is a case in which millions of
people would be taking a great risk. They would have
to consider that the very government they have trusted
and supported for more than four years may have
participated in an unthinkable atrocity. That, in
itself, may be impossible. By opening their minds to
an objective examination of what has been discovered
about the 9/11 attacks, millions of Americans would
have to abandon their blind faith in this
administration, and reject the mistaken belief that
those in charge of our nation can do no wrong. That,
too, may be impossible.

Herein lies the paradox. If the American people
want truth they must acknowledge that they have been
deceived. If that were to happen, and if they were to
accept the facts that have been uncovered by the
independent 9/11 research community, their faith in
their government would be irreparably destroyed. In
the long run, it is far easier to maintain one's faith
in a deceptive government than to deal with the
painful details of that deception.

The consequence of such denial is that people end
up believing what they must, rather than what is true.
As time passes, they totally erase the distinction
between fact and fiction in order to believe in their
government, and they find themselves living in the
America of 2005.

...Ironically, it's almost funny when the
fact-based 9/11 research community gathers to discuss
the events of that day. The official government
version of what happened loses so much credibility in
the light of the available facts, films, testimony &
chronicled history that it is almost impossible not to
laugh in disbelief when we start to share what we
know. The evidence that has been amassed is so
persuasive as to rip the official version of 9/11 to
shreds. And still, there is no one but ourselves to
hear us.

We go on and on and on like people obsessed
because as responsible citizens of the world we have
assigned ourselves the task of exposing the truth. But
we also have to accept the obstacles we face. We must
understand how and why people refuse to believe what
we say despite all the evidence in our possession.

...The people who were responsible for the attacks
of 9/11 did something so unbelievable that most people
would not believe they did it, even if presented with
conclusive evidence of their guilt. As a result, they
also carried it off, and the evidence be damned.

In the end, there is always the comment by those
who would discredit the research and the evidence that
has been uncovered. The defenders of the official
version of 9/11 inevitably ask how so many people
could keep a secret. "Wouldn't someone have blown the
whistle by now?" is the constant challenge by the
champions of denial. How naïve they are.

At the higher levels of government the issue is no
longer about secrecy, but about survival. The extent
of the 9/11 crimes are so great that a very real
scenario of self preservation has arisen. Exposing the
truth about 9/11 would virtually mean the end of the
United States of America as a viable power. If the
good people in our government and in our intelligence
community exposed the truth, America would never ever
regain its credibility in the world. We would never
again be respected or trusted. We would immediately
relinquish our leadership position in the world and
sink to the position of a rogue nation that had
committed an unforgivable atrocity against its own
people for political purposes. We would expose the
huge betrayal of trust that has been developed and
nurtured over our 230 year history as a nation.

The minute any ranking government official was
charged with complicity in 9/11, this nation would be
no more. We would never recover. The people who were
involved in 9/11 know this. They know that there is
more at stake than their exposure. They know that once
they did what they did, they would never be held
accountable.... [L]et me be the first to admit that
these folks committed the perfect crime. Not in the
sense that they would not be discovered, but in the
sense they knew it would do more harm to the country
to expose them than it would to play along with them.

The perpetrators of 9/11 knew they were they
protected by the blind loyalty of the American people
who would refuse to believe they could have been
involved. But they had another ace in the hole as
well. They knew that no one who cared for the nation
would reveal the truth, for to seek justice would in
essence bring down the nation.

Bottom line: the truth is out there, the evidence
is real. But there are none so blind as those who will
not see. Think about that, and weep for us all.

This is why it makes no sense to hand the Powers That
Be a gift on a silver platter by closing off inquiry
on the strong possibility that no passenger plane hit
the Pentagon. We can't afford to give up any weapon of
truth in this fight, including the myth that the
United States is a force for good in the world that
sometimes makes "mistakes." We have to attack
(metaphorically speaking, of course) on all fronts.

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Message 12
From: "samier@web.de" samier@web.de
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 0:27pm(PDT)
Subject: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism

The Israel-Palaestina conflict affects me in a special way..my father was
born 1942 in Palaestna and few aears later his whole family and lots of
friends had to leave their home country and fleed to Jordan because their
land was taken away..in 1960 my father left Jordan and came to Germany
because it was the only way to support his parents with money,because they
were really poor..In Palaestina they ever have been a rich family,but from 1
day to another they lost everything...So there are 2 opinions...But I must
say that I`m not a extremist..I was born in Germany and my mother was born
here also..For someone from a Near East country my father is really very
open minded and very liberal...Far far far away from beeing a fanatic
islamist lol..and since looong time German citizen also.
I have 1 big problem with Israel...Whenever someone citicize their politic
especially as a Grman,you are a antisemite for them (gouverment)..But there
are crazy,sick fanatic extremist`s on both sites..not only on the
palaestinian site.

I`m open for every discussion that base on facts..Every releigion has a lot
kinds of secs and soe of them are really far far away from the reality..I
only say Bush and his reborn Christ`s..every fanatic group is eally a danger

Sorry if something was OT but for me it was important to write this after I
have read something about Zionism here.

Greetings from Germany

Samier

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Von: Naveed
Datum: 04/23/06 17:42:28
An: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism

that clears up alot,

didn't realize that zionism was an intrinsic part of Judaism, if i'm
understanding this correctly, there are fake zionists running around out
there giving the real jews a bad name?

so how does theodore herzl tie into the zionism?

I mean I don't know that's why it is important to have an open discussion
instead of slamming people down and banning, angie's crimes. there is no off
topic subject because that's contradictory to the no censorship.

you have some place where you can direct me to in order to learn more?

I'm taking a vacation from moderation for some time, this whole thing has
left me exhausted.

Ray Antoky <rayantoky@aol.com> wrote:

Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
Judaism.

Ray Antoky
Bklyn

PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
reinstatement.

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Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 0:53pm(PDT)
Subject: Sean McBride: Neoconservatism: The Short Definition

From: Sean McBride

April 23, 2006
Neoconservatism: The Short Definition

Neocons: a people with too many enemies.

(Translation: the neocons are governed by a neurotic psychological algorithm which generates an infinite number of enemies. They live for waging war on their enemies. There is no other substantive content to their program.)

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Message 14
From: "Ray Antoky" rayantoky@aol.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:14pm(PDT)
Subject: Who is a True Zionist?

Naveed et al:
My post regarding zionism and Judaism reflected the thoughts I have
off the top of my head. It does not address the differences between
religious-zionism, political-zionism, geo-strategic-zionism, pseudo-
zionism, false-zionism, or bizarro-zionism. Point is you cannot take
the heart out of a Jew and still have a living Jew. The urge to
return to his roots, to his land promised him by God is his fervent
hope, prayer and belief. It is not necessarily the love of the
current state called Israel, which however, like it or not, is partly
in that area. How big should the true land of the Jews be? Only God
knows.Jerusalem the locale and also the state of mind, will always be
intrinsic to this hope, prayer and belief. The current government and
perhaps all governments of the state of Israel were never founded on
Torah principles. The current government does not reflect the will of
Jewish thought nor does it represent Jewish law. However, many Jews
are happy to be able to live in proximity to what we consider our
heritage from the Almighty. Living in a ruthless, Godless society
however, sometimes brings out the worst in states, governments and
people. The transparency of the 9/11 event only shows to what ends
crazed individuals of the 'ruling class' will go to to perpetuate and
solidify their hold on power. Did this insane group ensnare any
Jewish souls? Without a doubt. Some Jews have been ensnared in false
pursuits throughout our history.
Bottom line: the true Zionist is a mourner not a killer, a colonist,
a separatist, an elitist or any other kind of monster. He is looking
to return to his bequest which he had snatched from him, albeit
temporarily, from the only true power, in order to serve his only true
Master properly. Only by righteous living, thinking and adherence to
Godly principles can he ever hope to return.
We remember we were slaves and were granted salvation and return
before.Only by God's will can it happen again.
Please read the following article and remember the destruction of the
temple happened twice on the 9th day of the 11th month (Tisha B'Av).

http://www.jewishpress.com/page.do/2664/Who_Is_A_True_Zionist%3F.html
<http://www.jewishpress.com/page.do/2664/Who_Is_A_True_Zionist%3F.html>

Who Is A True Zionist?
By: Bezalel Fixler
Wednesday, December 31, 2003

Legend has it that Napoleon Bonaparte once passed by a synagogue in
Paris and observed that men, women and children were sitting on the
ground and crying. He was curious to find out what catastrophe had
befallen them, and how he could help. He was astonished to learn that
they were mourning the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem and the
banishing of the Jewish people from their homeland.

He was even more astonished when he realized that they were crying
about an event that had occurred nearly two thousand years ago. He
then made the now famous remark that a people whose loss of their
homeland is engraved in their memory for almost two thousand years is
a people destined to return to it.

Who were these nameless Jews in an obscure Parisian synagogue sitting
on the ground, shoeless, unshaven, bent over candlelight, crying and
praying for the return to Zion? Who were they? I will tell you.
Napoleon made a great discovery that day. He discovered the existence
of true Zionists.

For that matter, who do you think were the first Zionists, the very
first ones? Do you think it was Achad Ha'am, Pinsker and Lilienblum?
No! Was it Herzl, Nordau and Jabotinsky? No! The first Zionists
emerged in the first year after the destruction of Jerusalem. On
Tisha B'Av of that year, they were sitting on the ground, shoeless at
candlelight, crying and praying for the return to Zion. They were the
first Zionists.

I am saying this because Zionism without a religious component is not
real Zionism. It is Herzlism. Herzlism can be defined as Jewish
nationalism devoid of any vestige of holiness or attachment to
millennia of Jewish heritage. Nationalism without spiritual bonds to
Torah and Israel is insufficient to capture the essence of the Jewish
people.

Theodor Herzl had a noble and practical dream of how to save the Jews
from the ravages of anti-Semitism. Give him Uganda, and he would take
it. Thousands of years of Jewish history, creativity and thought were
foreign to him. The indescribable yearnings of the Jewish people to
return to Zion were ignored by him. Therefore Herzlism is not true
Zionism, and his followers are not true Zionists.

Now that we've established who the first Zionists were, let's find
out who the real Zionists are in our time. I suggest that, just like
Napoleon did, you take a walk on any Tisha B'Av night and take a peek
through the windows of any synagogue. What do you think you will see?
You will see the same thing Napoleon saw: men, women and children
sitting shoeless on the ground, praying at candlelight for the return
to Zion. What you will be looking at are the true Zionists of our
time.

If you are still not convinced, come with me to Kennedy or Newark
airport at the beginning of the Hebrew school year. Take a good look
and you will see yeshiva boys and seminary girls flocking to attend
schools in Israel. In spite of the Intifada, in spite of the suicide
bombers, they keep coming as their mothers hold back tears while they
board the airplanes. These young sons and daughters of Israel are the
true Zionists. May G-d bless them and protect them.

Who do you think patronized the hotels in Israel last Sukkot? It was
an amazing phenomenon. Empty hotels suddenly filled to the rafters.
Who filled them? Orthodox and chassidic Jews, in an expression of
solidarity with a suffering Israel, decided to spend the holidays in
the Holy Land. They did not go to Florida. They did not go to the
Caribbean. They went to Israel. They are true Zionists.

Did you ever watch your mother light the Sabbath candles? Please
watch her closely, as she stands with her hands over her eyes and
whispers softly with emotion, and sometimes with a tear, "Let the
will of G-d be that the holy Temple be rebuilt in our days..." Yes,
your mother is a true Zionist.

I will tell you another thing, my friend, and it is a very important
thing: Every Jew who prays three times a day, clamoring for the
redemption and uttering the words "Let our eyes see Your (G-d's)
return to Zion with compassion" – he is a true Zionist.

And let it be stated emphatically that every Jew who proclaims three
times a day with great emotion and trepidation "...and to Jerusalem
Your city You (G-d) shall return with tenderness" – he is a true
Zionist.

In (approximately) the year 1140, the famous scholar and poet Rabbi
Yehuda Halevy, the author of the Kuzari, arrived in Jerusalem after a
dangerous journey from Egypt. When he arrived at the gates of the
city and saw the desolation, he tore his clothes, and with tremendous
feeling composed the famous poem "Tzion Halo Tishali" (Oh Zion, will
you not inquire about the welfare of your imprisoned). As he was on
his knees in tears, kissing the sacred ground, an Arab horseman,
jealous and resentful of Jewish attachment to Jerusalem, crushed him
to death with the hooves of his horse. Yes, Rabbi Yehuda Halevy paid
the ultimate price for true Zionism. May his death be avenged.

The Ramban (1194-1270), the pious Alshich (in the 1500's), the
saintly Shalo (1565-1630) and the virtuous Ohr Hachaim (1698-1743)
made aliyah when there were no modern modes of transportation (to put
it mildly). Their journeys were marked by danger, but they were drawn
by the magnetism, by the mysterious force, of the Holy Land.

When they arrived in Eretz Yisrael, they were not given special
privileges as an oleh chadash (new immigrant). They were not welcomed
by a friendly government and given free shelter and a stipend. They
lived in poverty and in misery but were kept alive by their love for
the Holy Land. They were all true Zionists.

In the year 1777, Rabbi Menachem Mendel of Vitebsk and other
disciples of the Baal Shem Tov set out on a journey to the Holy Land
in order to settle there. In spite of the enormous difficulties they
encountered in the land, they decided to stick it out and stay.

In the first decade of the 1800's, the disciples of the Vilna Gaon
also decided to make aliyah. They left everything behind except their
spirit, and set out on a journey, beset with danger, in order to
reach their goal: the Holy Land.

About a thousand years ago, a large group of Yemenite Jews decided to
leave the diaspora and make aliyah. One cannot imagine the hardships
these pioneers encountered. They traveled several thousand miles,
mostly by foot, sometimes by camel, through the Arabian Desert. By
day they were exposed to the hot desert sun, and at night to freezing
temperatures. In addition, they were attacked by marauding Arab
bandits who took most of their belongings. Many died on the way, but
the group endured and arrived in Jerusalem.

Do you know why the disciples of the Baal Shem Tov, the disciples of
the Vilna Gaon, and this very determined group of Yemenites decide to
leave their relatives, their rabbis and depart for the unknown?
Remember, these groups were not greeted upon their arrival with a
band playing "Haivainu Shalom Aleichem" or "Hava Nagila." Nor were
they given "oleh chadash" status. Why, then, did they leave the
comforts of their homes, and risk their lives to travel to a
desolate, forsaken land?

The answer is in that attractive force, that eternal bond, that
heavenly magnetism between the Jewish people and the land of Israel.
They wanted to reside in a land that is the holiest of all the lands
in the world. They wanted to reside in a land that G-d watches over
personally at all times. They wanted to reside in a land where they
could be proud to be Jewish. They wanted to reside in the "Palace of
the King." They wanted to be in a land where every step a person
takes earns him a mitzvah. They were true Zionists!

It happened right after World War II. Three of the Vizhnitzer Rebbeim
who survived the Holocaust decided to make aliyah. America, England,
Canada or other galut domiciles that were beckoning to them didn't
even enter their minds. In spite of the far better conditions offered
to them by Vizhnitz chassidim in New York, they decided to go to the
land of their ancestors to build up Torah and chassidus, which they
did with great success. Is this true Zionism? Of course it is.

Have you ever visited a religious family that just finished building
a new house? If you have, you possibly noticed an unpainted square
foot of wall staring you in the face as you entered. Did you ever
wonder why? Here is the answer: Our sages (Orech Chaim 560, 1) wanted
us not to forget for one moment our attachment to Jerusalem. They
wanted us to be constantly aware that our homeland was destroyed and
that we are in the diaspora. Is this nationalism? Is this extremism?
No; this is true Zionism.

Visit any Vizhnitz shtibel on weekdays and pay attention when the
chazan recites "V'Leyerushalyim Ircha B'Rachamim Toshuv" (And to
Jerusalem your city You (G-d) shall return with compassion). One can
feel the deep emotion emanating from every syllable and every word.
Is this just chassidus? No; this is true Zionism.

Rabbi Moshe Blau, one of the leaders of the Agudah in Israel, writes
in his memoirs that he once was walking with Reb Yosef Chaim
Sonnenfeld in an Israeli city and came upon a youth parade. There
were hundreds of youths marching with Israeli flags and probably not
clad in accordance with Jewish law. It should be noted that Reb Yosef
Chaim Sonnenfeld was considered to be one of the most ardent anti-
Zionists of his time. Rabbi Blau relates that as the procession
passed he overheard, to his great surprise, Reb Yosef Chaim
whispering the passage in Deuteronomy, "May G-d multiply you a
thousand-fold and bless you." An amazing story, isn't it? Well, Reb
Yosef Chaim was a true Zionist.

You have heard of Tikun Chatzos, haven't you? It is a set of prayers
specifically designed by our sages to be recited by the devout every
midnight in supplication and entreaty for the return to Zion.
Prostrated, with ashes on their heads, they mourn the destruction of
Jerusalem, and with tears rolling down their faces, they recite: "If
I forget thee, oh Jerusalem let my right hand wither. Let my tongue
cleave to my palate if I do not remember you..." Is this religious
fanaticism? No; this is true Zionism.

If you've ever dined on weekdays with observant Jews, you may have
noticed that they remove, or hide, the knives from the table before
saying grace. This is in accordance with the law as specified in
Orech Chaim 180,5. Is this superstition? No; this practice was
instituted by our sages who anticipated that a true Zionist might try
to end his life out of extreme devotion when the words "Jerusalem,
the holy city" are mentioned. (It once actually happened.) No, this
is not voodoo. This is true Zionism.

Was Rashi, the most revered commentator on all of Torah, whose name
is engraved in the memory of every Torah-observant man, woman, and
child, whose name previous generations recalled with loving
reverence – was Rashi a true Zionist? Let the next paragraph speak
for itself.

Reb Yeruchem Halevy Levovitz, the famed mashgiach of the Mirer
Yeshiva, explains why Rashi started his commentary on the Torah with
a seemingly irrelevant statement on why Eretz Yisrael belongs to the
Jews. Here is what Reb Yeruchem says (Daas Torah, Bereishis 1,1):

"It is extremely important to know that although the Torah is multi-
faceted, there is only one ultimate objective that embodies all of
Torah. And that objective is Eretz Yisrael! The soul of all Torah is
the conquest of Eretz Yisrael so as to make a dwelling place for the
Shechina (the Divine presence). All of the chapters in the Torah
about our forefathers, the slavery in Egypt, the redemption, and the
Ten Commandments are all incidental. The end product is the conquest
of the land."

"That is what Rashi is telling us," says Reb Yeruchem. "The grandiose
purpose of all of Torah is Eretz Yisrael. Immediately, at the very
beginning, the Torah set the tone for all of Torah."

In other words, the centrality of Eretz Yisrael in the Torah is set
forth in the very first sentence in Bereishis. If this is not true
Zionism, what is?

Bezalel Fixler, a survivor of the Transnistria death camp and a
musmach of Yeshiva Torah Vodaath, is a contributing columnist to Dos
Yiddishe Vort and The Algemeiner Journal. He can be contacted at
bfixler6@aol.com <mailto:bfixler6@aol.com> .

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Message 15
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:19pm(PDT)
Subject: Fw: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism

"If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
reinstatement."

I agree with this too. Angie was right to object to my not discriminating between "Jews in general" and those Zionists (groups within the groups of American neo-cons and/or Israeli Mossad) who were part of the 9-11 false-flag black-op. It would be very productive to have Angie employ her "Jared Israel pro-Zionist" orientation to be a watchdog over me to speak out when I use too broad a brush. If you can't banish those you disagree with you might as well engage them point by point for the sake of truth and justice.

"If certain Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and influence and
use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not entitle them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members of the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of their Jewish roots? Too much merging is going on."

No this is the kind of questioning my position needs to be subjected to. The evidence of a false-flag black-op 9-11 implicates the DoD leadership --- individuals who are Zionists, Globalists, Neocons, Big Business related. We know Kissinger's position at Wolfowitz's Defence Policy Board chaired by Richard Perle -- these men have backgrounds and loyalties -- to what extent do their positions in the guilty Pentagon band implicate those behind them (China and Kissinger, the Rothschilds and Perle, the Rockefellers and Kissinger and Gingrich(also on the board))? We are dealing with well-connected people -- real powers in the capitalist global order -- BUT WHAT ARE THE RIGHT DISCRIMINATIONS TO BE MADE IN POINTING TO THE GUILTY?

I have been wrong -- not discriminating enough. The job is too big for me -- It is a job for many people with different different backgrounds and standpoints -- Let there be new discussion on this topic -- let angie and dick eastman and everyone one else contribute -- protecting the innocent, uncovering the guilty.

DIck Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.

----- Original Message -----
From: samier@web.de
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:27 PM
Subject: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism

The Israel-Palaestina conflict affects me in a special way..my father was born 1942 in Palaestna and few aears later his whole family and lots of friends had to leave their home country and fleed to Jordan because their land was taken away..in 1960 my father left Jordan and came to Germany because it was the only way to support his parents with money,because they were really poor..In Palaestina they ever have been a rich family,but from 1 day to another they lost everything...So there are 2 opinions...But I must say that I`m not a extremist..I was born in Germany and my mother was born here also..For someone from a Near East country my father is really very open minded and very liberal...Far far far away from beeing a fanatic islamist lol..and since looong time German citizen also.
I have 1 big problem with Israel...Whenever someone citicize their politic,especially as a Grman,you are a antisemite for them (gouverment)..But there are crazy,sick fanatic extremist`s on both sites..not only on the palaestinian site.

I`m open for every discussion that base on facts..Every releigion has a lot kinds of secs and soe of them are really far far away from the reality..I only say Bush and his reborn Christ`s..every fanatic group is eally a danger.

Sorry if something was OT but for me it was important to write this after I have read something about Zionism here.

Greetings from Germany

Samier

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Von: Naveed
Datum: 04/23/06 17:42:28
An: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism

that clears up alot,

didn't realize that zionism was an intrinsic part of Judaism, if i'm understanding this correctly, there are fake zionists running around out there giving the real jews a bad name?

so how does theodore herzl tie into the zionism?

I mean I don't know that's why it is important to have an open discussion instead of slamming people down and banning, angie's crimes. there is no off topic subject because that's contradictory to the no censorship.

you have some place where you can direct me to in order to learn more?

I'm taking a vacation from moderation for some time, this whole thing has left me exhausted.

Ray Antoky <rayantoky@aol.com> wrote:

Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
Judaism.

Ray Antoky
Bklyn

PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
reinstatement.

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Message 16
From: "ranger116@webtv.net" ranger116@webtv.net
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:07pm(PDT)
Subject: !!! --> ILLINOIS Legislature to Initiate Impeachment of Bush !!!

!!! --> ILLINOIS Legislature to Initiate Impeachment of Bush !!!

Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell !

OpEdNews.com
Godlike Productions -- Bush Impeachment
Address:http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=225209&mpage=1&showdate=4/23/06

Original Article at [link]
Bush Impeachment

Address:http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_060422_bush_impeachment___t.htm

April 22, 2006
Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell

Utilizing a little known rule of the US House to bring Impeachment
charges
By Steven Leser
The Illinois General Assembly is about to rock the nation.
Members of state legislatures are normally not considered as having the
ability to decide issues with a massive impact to the nation as a whole.
Representative Karen A. Yarbrough of Illinois' 7th District is
about to shatter that perception forever. Representative Yarbrough
stumbled on a little known and never utlitized rule of the US House of
Representatives, Section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of the Rules of the
United States House of Representatives, which allows federal impeachment
proceedings to be initiated by joint resolution of a state legislature.
From there, Illinois House Joint Resolution 125 (hereafter to be
referred to as HJR0125) was born.
Detailing five specific charges against President Bush including
one that is specified to be a felony, the complete text of HJR0125 is
copied below at the end of this article.
One of the interesting points is that one of the items, the one
specified as a felony, that the NSA was directed by the President to spy
on American citizens without warrant, is not in dispute.
That fact should prove an interesting dilemma for a Republican
controlled US House that clearly is not only loathe to initiate
impeachment proceedings, but does not even want to thoroughly
investigate any of the five items brought up by the Illinois Assembly as
high crimes and/or misdemeanors.
Should HJR0125 be passed by the Illinois General Assembly, the US
House will be forced by House Rules to take up the issue of impeachment
as a privileged bill, meaning it will take precedence over other House
business.
The Illinois General Assembly joins a growing chorus of voices
calling for censure or impeachment of President Bush including
Democratic state committees in Vermont, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada
and North Carolina as well as the residents themselves of seven towns in
Vermont, seventy Vermont state legislators and Congressman John Conyers.
The call for impeachment is starting to gro w well beyond what
could be considered a fringe movement. An ABC News/Washington Post Poll
Conducted April 6-9 showed that 33% of Americans currently support
Impeaching President Bush, coincidentally, only a similar amount
supported impeaching Nixon at the start of the Watergate investigation.
If and when Illinois HJR0125 hits the capitol and the individual charges
are publicly investigated, that number is likely to grow rapidly.

Combined with the very real likelihood that Rove is about to be
indicted in the LeakGate investigation, and Bush is in real trouble
beyond his plummeting poll numbers. His cronies in the Republican
dominated congress will probably save him from the embarassment of an
impeachment conviction, for now, but his Presidency will be all but
finished.

-------------------------------------------------------- --
HJ0125 LRB094 20306 RLC 58347 r

1 HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION

2 WHEREAS, Section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of the Rules of

3 the United States House of Representatives allows federal

4 impeachment proceedings to be initiated by joint resolution of

5 a state legislature; and

6 WHEREAS, President Bush has publicly admitted to ordering

7 the National Security Agency to violate provisions of the 1978

8 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, a felony, specifically

9 authorizing the Agency to spy on American citizens without

10 warrant; and

11 WHEREAS, Evidence suggests that President Bush authorized

12 violation of the Torture Convention of the Geneva Conventions,

13 a treaty regarded a supreme law by the United States

14 Constitution; and

15 WHEREAS, The Bush Administration has held American

16 citizens and citizens of other nations as prisoners of war

17 without charge or trial; and

18 WHEREAS, Evidence suggests that the Bush Administration

19 has manipulated intelligence for the purpose of initiating a

20 war against the sovereign nation of Iraq, resulting in the

21 deaths of large numbers of Iraqi civilians and causing the

22 United States to incur loss of life, diminished security and

23 billions of dollars in unnecessary expenses; and

24 WHEREAS, The Bush Administration leaked classified

25 national secrets to further a political agenda, exposing an

26 unknown number of covert U. S. intelligence agents to potential

27 harm and retribution while simultaneously refusing to

28 investigate the matter; and

29 WHEREAS, The Republican-controlled Congress has declined

HJ0125 - 2 - LRB094 20306 RLC 58347 r

1 to fully investigate these charges to date; therefore, be it

2 RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE

3 NINETY-FOURTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE

4 SENATE CONCURRING HEREIN, that the General Assembly of the

5 State of Illinois has good cause to submit charges to the U. S.

6 House of Representatives under Section 603 that the President

7 of the United States has willfully violated his Oath of Office

8 to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United

9 States; and be it further

10 RESOLVED, That George W. Bush, if found guilty of the

11 charges contained herein, should be removed from office and

12 disqualified to hold any other office in the United States.

Authors Bio: Steven Leser is a freelance journalist specializing in
Politics, Science & Health, and Entertainment topics.
He has held positions within the Democratic Party including District
Chair and Public Relations Chair within county organizations.
His coverage of the Ohio Presidential Recount in 2004 was
distinguished by actual interviews with Carlo Loparo, spokesperson for
the Ohio Secretary of State, along with Supervisors of Elections of
several Ohio counties. Similar efforts on other topics to get first hand
information from sources separate Mr. Leser from many of his
contemporaries.Anonymous CowardUser ID: 725584/23/2006 2:55 AMRe:

Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !

DethUser ID: 654894/23/2006 3:22 AM
Re: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !

we shall see.Thats my bush!User ID: 846894/23/2006 3:25 AMRe: Bush
Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a
Bombshell !

yayAnonymous CowardUser ID: 846944/23/2006 3:27 AMRe: Bush Impeachment -
The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell !

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END OF ARTICLE - Just comments made to the website below
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I AM THE OVERLORD OF THE UNIVERSE! yOU WIMPS CAN'T IMPEACH ME!
Anonymous CowardUser ID: 22264/23/2006 3:31 AMRe: Bush Impeachment - The
Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell !

>>>Section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of the Rules of the United States
House of Representatives, which allows federal impeachment proceedings
to be initiated by joint resolution of a state legislature.<<<

Anonymous CowardUser ID: 846734/23/2006 3:44 AMRe: Bush Impeachment -
The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell !

I wish the congressional PEA BRAINS
would make up their minds.
First they litteraly GIVE him 160 billion dollars to spend at his own
private war and THEN call him a criminal. If he's so evil why the fuck
are they giving him money??

Nothing like hiring a hooker and then complaining about her moral
charactor.
Fucking dip-shits, the lot of them.Anonymous CowardUser ID:
846734/23/2006 3:45 AMRe: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State
Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell !

No, really. Dip-shits.Anonymous CowardUser ID: 846784/23/2006 3:52 AMRe:
Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a
Bombshell !
Nearly two dozen major newspapers are calling for his imeachment
The whole shitty mess is falling apart-and we still havent seen the
Fitzgeralds or Abamhoff Indictments which will finger mostly
Republicans..
id say a DEMO sweep the like that have never been seen this fall;
IT aint safe to be a republican right now...Elven MaidenUser ID:
18294/23/2006 3:56 AM
Re: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
dang dude! this is cool if it is reallly true! I haven't checked for
myself yet but if it is real...all I have to say id right fuckin on yo!
;) Anonymous CowardUser ID: 846744/23/2006 4:00 AMRe: Bush Impeachment -
The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell !
The song each day fortifies the hearts of those that compromise to
battle against injustice, the song forever will be the seed of peace
amongst men of good will.Elven MaidenUser ID: 18294/23/2006 4:07 AM
Re: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
what about the punishment for high treason? how does he get off with
just being removed from office? I don't think this bill has gone far
enough but it is a decent beginning...maybe fitzgerald will get those
punk asses somehow... ^TrInItY^User ID: 712334/23/2006 4:15 AM
Re: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
It is truly amazing that Clinton was impeached for lying about getting
an extramarital blow job
yet bush still remains untouchable
and the bush lies brought a contry to war and killed thousands...
what the fuck is going on in washington?Old Indian ManUser ID:
834174/23/2006 4:16 AM
Re: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
10 RESOLVED, That George W. Bush, if found guilty of the
11 charges contained herein, should be removed from office and
12 disqualified to hold any other office in the United States.
Well that's a piss weak verdict.
Anyone else craped on the Constitution, tortured, spied, lied and pried,
they'd be hung and burried under the jail.
He'll still be set for life with his oil $$$$$$$$ while Haliburton and
the rest of the mob continue on with a same shit, differant day scenerio
and a new muppet president.
He should be JAILED and put in prison with BIG BUBBA and BEN DOVER.
So should his entire lame mobster family be.
Squash the bugs I say. When the BUSHES are taking over the garden, it's
time to dig them out by the roots.
Anonymous CowardUser ID: 635934/23/2006 4:18 AMRe: Bush Impeachment -
The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell !
MASONIC RUSE......REMEM BER THE NUMBER 33 IN THE ARTICLE.....ILLUMINAT
TRADE MARK TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THE REAL GAME IS ON THE
PEOPLE.....Anonymous CowardUser ID: 637734/23/2006 4:19 AMRe: Bush
Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a
Bombshell !
MerkabaUser ID: 673704/23/2006 4:25 AM
Re: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
I higly doubt the "law" with their Freemasons, Skull and Boners, and
Bohemian Grove members would prosecute their own.
Clinton's "impeachment" was a sly PR stunt. Political hits, massacres,
false flag operations, trade with the Chinese, you name it.
What was the big deal?
A blow-job and he got away with it.
So, if this was true i'm sure this would be another PR
stunt.^TrInItY^User ID: 712334/23/2006 4:28 AM
Re: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
I think the Clinton deal was personal between him and ole Newt Gengrich
(who stepped down as speaker of the house shortly after clinton was
acquitted)Anonymous CowardUser ID: 102644/23/2006 4:51 AMRe: Bush
Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a
Bombshell !
Literatto
User ID: 84680
4/23/2006 2:31 AM
Re: Something is happing that has never happened in America's
history.....
[link]
Bush is not moron at all. He is fulfilling his destiny as the prophet of
the antichrist.
If you are not aware yet, realize that from a few weeks ago he has not
even try to lie anymore to cover his apparent boneheaded mistakes, he
has switched to authoritative remarks, and nobody stands in his way, he
has become a de facto dictator, crowning himself as the Decider.
Everything that is under way now has the sole purpose of demolishing all
power structures and unleash a global chaos. From the aftermath of the
upcoming events will rise the new power, the one world government, as a
natural and even convenient solution, under the powerfull lead of a
tender an loving leader, which in turn will be the antichrist. If you
think you can manage to survive the inminent chaos, prepare yourself to
fight for your soul, as the mark of the beast will be forced upon
survivors.
You don't have to believe me or not. Do the math. Bush is just playing
the fool, but knows exactly what he is doing.Anonymous CowardUser ID:
765734/23/2006 5:03 AMRe: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State
Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell !
If there is a Satan, Bush is controlled that forceJohnny DangerUser ID:
740604/23/2006 5:04 AM
Re: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
what the fuck is going on in washington?
The Council on Foreign Relations
JDAnonymous CowardUser ID: 708824/23/2006 5:12 AMRe: Bush Impeachment -
The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell !
Trinity, you're just like the rest of the bleeding heart liberals here -
Always underestimating Mr. Bush and his ability to rise to the top when
the pressure is on.
We're fortunate indeed to have a president who can think on his feet
like this man can.
I hope you will reconsider your postion after watching the following
video: [link]
^TrInItY^User ID: 712334/23/2006 5:14 AM
Re: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
70882,
lol
that is a classicdeependUser ID: 332154/23/2006 5:15 AM
Re: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
Rock and roll! Anonymous CowardUser ID: 622514/23/2006 5:30 AMRe: Bush
Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a
Bombshell !
And once all you lefties have been exposed in such hearings as the
crazies you are. IT will be a good thing!!!!
BS like this is exactly why your side will loose mid term elections.
Based on all the most recent polls, Bush is way down, but congress and
the senate are below him... thats for both parties!!
In other words the public is sick and tired of the division in the
country, sick and tired of the blame games, the constant whining from
our elected politicians. Let em go aheadwith this and they will probably
all be voted out of office!Anonymous CowardUser ID: 708824/23/2006 5:49
AMRe: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
"that is a classic"
a keeper for sure. lol.Anonymous CowardUser ID: 708824/23/2006 5:55
AMRe: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
Another video of Bush demonstrating his command of the English language:
[link]
deependUser ID: 332154/23/2006 5:59 AM
Re: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
62251 - I would not say we are all lefties. We are mighty sick and tired
of what is happening as well. If I were in Illinois, I would be voting
them out of office cause I don't think a single incumbant should remain
in office. Not one. The government is all but 100% corrupt and it is
time for a major change.Anonymous CowardUser ID: 847184/23/2006 6:24
AMRe: Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to
Drop a Bombshell !
"The government is all but 100% corrupt and it is time for a major
change."
Yep! From our city halls to the county court house to the state
legislatures and all the way to Washington DC. All are corrupt with
very, very few exceptions.
.Anonymous CowardUser ID: 843504/23/2006 6:29 AMRe: Bush Impeachment -
The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell !
Anonymous CowardUser ID: 13264/23/2006 6:31 AMRe: Bush Impeachment - The
Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell !
70882 Bush will stun you with his sheer eloquence.Page 1, 2
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Message 17
From: "Ray Antoky" rayantoky@aol.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:14pm(PDT)
Subject: Fw: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism

Okay Dick I'll jump in again. If you read my last post about a true
Zionist you would understand that Perle, Wolfowitz and Kissinger are not
worthy of the term Zionist. The word has a holy connotation to true
believing Jewish people and these individuals represent the antithesis.
So if certain Jews become ensnared in the plots of Neocons, Globalists,
Oligarchs, Militarists, etc. and are somehow made to appear to be
supporting 'Zionist' concepts, it is only the plotters who encourage the
label 'zionist' or perhaps those aggrieved individuals who need to label
the perpetrators and need a convenient label. Zionist sounds like it
would work and therefore became a 'dirty word'. Nothing could be further
from the truth. These people such as Kissinger, have been manipulated,
used, brainwashed, co-opted, and empowered in order to effect the agenda
of those Godless individuals who serve only the evil inclination that is
part of man, which we are required to conquer each day of our lives.
These 'bad guys' have at their core a big zero which means they have no
light inside, only darkness. May I reiterate for you Dick that it is
unhealthy to use the term Zionist as you do. Misguided, Sabbatean Jews
if they happen to be Jewish, but not Zionists, please. In a sense Angie
is right because you cannot split true Zionism from Judaism. It's just
that the word has been so misused that its meaning has become obscured.
Yes there are some dumb Jews or ones that call themselves Jews but they
are not representative of the term Jew or Zionist. Their allegiance is
to false gods . Call them Luciferians if you like. Try that instead of
Zionist. It is more universally understood. And you don't have to be
Jewish to be one!

Ray Antoky ,Brooklyn, NY

>>No this is the kind of questioning my position needs to be subjected
to. The evidence of a false-flag black-op 9-11 implicates the DoD
leadership --- individuals who are Zionists, Globalists, Neocons, Big
Business related. We know Kissinger's position at Wolfowitz's Defence
Policy Board chaired by Richard Perle -- these men have backgrounds and
loyalties -- to what extent do their positions in the guilty Pentagon
band implicate those behind them (China and Kissinger, the Rothschilds
and Perle, the Rockefellers and Kissinger and Gingrich(also on the
board))? We are dealing with well-connected people -- real powers in the
capitalist global order -- BUT WHAT ARE THE RIGHT DISCRIMINATIONS TO BE
MADE IN POINTING TO THE GUILTY?<<

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@...>
wrote:
>
> "If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
> reinstatement."
>
> I agree with this too. Angie was right to object to my not
discriminating between "Jews in general" and those Zionists (groups
within the groups of American neo-cons and/or Israeli Mossad) who were
part of the 9-11 false-flag black-op. It would be very productive to
have Angie employ her "Jared Israel pro-Zionist" orientation to be a
watchdog over me to speak out when I use too broad a brush. If you can't
banish those you disagree with you might as well engage them point by
point for the sake of truth and justice.
>
> "If certain Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and
influence and
> use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not entitle
them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is
Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members of
the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of their
Jewish roots? Too much merging is going on."
>
> No this is the kind of questioning my position needs to be subjected
to. The evidence of a false-flag black-op 9-11 implicates the DoD
leadership --- individuals who are Zionists, Globalists, Neocons, Big
Business related. We know Kissinger's position at Wolfowitz's Defence
Policy Board chaired by Richard Perle -- these men have backgrounds and
loyalties -- to what extent do their positions in the guilty Pentagon
band implicate those behind them (China and Kissinger, the Rothschilds
and Perle, the Rockefellers and Kissinger and Gingrich(also on the
board))? We are dealing with well-connected people -- real powers in the
capitalist global order -- BUT WHAT ARE THE RIGHT DISCRIMINATIONS TO BE
MADE IN POINTING TO THE GUILTY?
>
> I have been wrong -- not discriminating enough. The job is too big for
me -- It is a job for many people with different different backgrounds
and standpoints -- Let there be new discussion on this topic -- let
angie and dick eastman and everyone one else contribute -- protecting
the innocent, uncovering the guilty.
>
> DIck Eastman
> Yakima, Washington
> Every man is responsible to every other man.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: samier@...
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:27 PM
> Subject: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
>
>
> The Israel-Palaestina conflict affects me in a special way..my father
was born 1942 in Palaestna and few aears later his whole family and lots
of friends had to leave their home country and fleed to Jordan because
their land was taken away..in 1960 my father left Jordan and came to
Germany because it was the only way to support his parents with
money,because they were really poor..In Palaestina they ever have been a
rich family,but from 1 day to another they lost everything...So there
are 2 opinions...But I must say that I`m not a extremist..I was born in
Germany and my mother was born here also..For someone from a Near East
country my father is really very open minded and very liberal...Far far
far away from beeing a fanatic islamist lol..and since looong time
German citizen also.
> I have 1 big problem with Israel...Whenever someone citicize their
politic,especially as a Grman,you are a antisemite for them
(gouverment)..But there are crazy,sick fanatic extremist`s on both
sites..not only on the palaestinian site.
>
> I`m open for every discussion that base on facts..Every releigion has
a lot kinds of secs and soe of them are really far far away from the
reality..I only say Bush and his reborn Christ`s..every fanatic group is
eally a danger.
>
> Sorry if something was OT but for me it was important to write this
after I have read something about Zionism here.
>
> Greetings from Germany
>
> Samier
>
> -------Originalmeldung-------
>
> Von: Naveed
> Datum: 04/23/06 17:42:28
> An: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
>
> that clears up alot,
>
> didn't realize that zionism was an intrinsic part of Judaism, if i'm
understanding this correctly, there are fake zionists running around out
there giving the real jews a bad name?
>
> so how does theodore herzl tie into the zionism?
>
> I mean I don't know that's why it is important to have an open
discussion instead of slamming people down and banning, angie's crimes.
there is no off topic subject because that's contradictory to the no
censorship.
>
> you have some place where you can direct me to in order to learn more?
>
> I'm taking a vacation from moderation for some time, this whole thing
has left me exhausted.
>
> Ray Antoky rayantoky@... wrote:
>
> Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
> First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
> family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
> Judaism.
>
> For many outsiders and non practicing Jews such as Mark Bilk, Judaism
> is some incomprehensible black hole. From the inside, one attempts to
> develop a relationship with the creator based on the words of the
> scriptures and the commentaries. While Jews have met with and earned
> great success throughout the ages they have also suffered greatly,
> due to non-adherence to the tenets of our creed, so the explanation
> is given.
> Religious Jews always yearn for the return to Zion which would be the
> reinstatement of a Jewish theocratic state charcterized with the
> rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem and the coming of the Messiah
> (Mashiach). It has not happened. Jews are still in exile, even those
> living in the land where this redemption should take place. True
> Zionism is merely yearning for this redemption to take place. Rising
> up against those who would attempt to destroy you or prevent you from
> achieving your legitimate objective is required. Non practicing Jews
> whose motivation is unenlightened cannot represent those who
> understand that salvation and reinstatement into a homeland of peace
> cannot happen unless the nation of Jews is deemed worthy. If certain
> Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and influence and
> use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not entitle
> them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is
> Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members of
> the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of
> their Jewish roots?
> Too much merging is going on.
> As we can see from the ugly events that always seem to come to pass
> in the world, mankind has a war with its evil inclination. True
> Judaism encourages the conquering of that inclination.
> Zionism is merely an intrinsic part of Judaism which cannot be
> separated. You cannot be a true Zionist without full acceptance of
> the Truth of all the commandments of the Torah and its commentaries.
> This requires study and doing the research just like Charlie
> Sheen 'did the research'on 9/11. Anyone else claiming to be a Zionist
> is an imposter and anyone separating Zionism from Judaism does not
> understand either term. True Zionism is intrinsic to Judaism, like it
> or not.
>
> Ray Antoky
> Bklyn
>
> PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
> reinstatement.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave,
and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for
then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
> - Notebook, 1904
>
> http://www.fightthenwo.org/
>
>
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Message 18
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:34pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: [Conspiracy-Theory] Re: The Islam and Nazi Alliance - PHOTOS And

----- Original Message -----
From: "razl dazl" <razldazl@iinet.net.au>
To: <Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com>; <ctrl@yahoogroups.com>;
<a-albionic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Conspiracy-Theory] Re: The Islam and Nazi Alliance - PHOTOS
And More DOCUMENTS

> Dick Eastman wrote:
> > I too am interested in your handle, pol. Is it a music term?
> >
> > You know, razldazl is not so bad a guy. He likes colorful language but
I
> > don't think he means half the things he says. I guess all of my
information
> > pointing to the Zionist Neocons in the Pentagon being responsible for
9-11
> > has got him angry. He probably thinks he has to defend Israel and Jews
in
> > general by attacking the bearer of this bad news. I understand
completely
> > and don't hold it against him.
>
> Um? that would be "polyphony" Dick -but his Nic is "pollyphoney," i.e.
> multi, or a combo of parroting, and disingenuous "phoney;" he, or she is
> an agent provocateur, or dyslexic, and given his ignorant racist rants,
> and badly formed grammar, probably both.

Yes, polyphony, thank you. I haven't been reading all of pollyphoney's
posts,
but I would not judge his views when in heated argument -- he may not
be racist -- although in anger we walk close to the line in the angry words
we use -- I use.
>
> So? does this mean you and the persona "Sean McBride" are the same
> individual "Dick"? There is no perceptible high-level divergence to your
> one-dimensional agitprop and screeds as "his" ... !?

I have always sought the society of Sean McBride -- but he rejects me
as anti-Semitic -- although his subject matter lately is at least as
anti-Zionist-aggressive-strategy as I am (note the careful wording this
time).
>
> Although, I'm led to believe from others that he is a vicious, violent,
> short, stubby-dicked, fat, ugly and balding homosexual type? which would
> discount you being him? since you apparently are a known divorced man,
> and wife-beater amongst some long-standing list members Dick!? Unless
> you've come out of the closet recently? and I certainly don't have a
> problem with that aspect of your chosen lifestyle Dick.

Actually I am 5'9", fat, average looks, graying, low libedo, but not a wife
beater and never divorced -- I have three daughters -- I have problems
allocating my time between fixing blame for 9-11 on the government (in
particular the Neo-con and military-industrial complex) and providing
the attention my family needs. I was just fired from my job of eleven years
yesterday -- it had nothing to do with my activity on the internet.
>
> Can you confirm or deny?

(see above) Married in 1978.
>
> You even have the same nuance to your one-dimensional pathology. You
> also cross-pollinate and scrotum lick one another's um? "ideas."

Sean will not consider the evidence I have put together showing that
the jetliner did not crash at the Pentagon -- I pass on his material on
neo-cons and Israel -- but we disagree on global warming (he believes
in it -- I believe in large scale weather modification casuing many weather
disasters) He views me as you do -- a racist anti-Semite.
>
> Interesting tho, as one scans these lists; the same sinister racist
> screeds like your own are incessantly spewed forth; so you can hardly
> claim to be in some fictional minority as you very regularly do.

Whereever I post lately I am finding less resistance to the argument
that Wolfowitz-Perle-Kissinger-Feith-Rumsfeldetc. imply Zionist
and Israeli (Mossad) connections for 9-11 -- BUT I also am
heavily criticized by run of the mill investigators/activists that I
use too broad a brush -- that I "blame the Jews" rather than just
limiting my conclusions to those who are really directly implicated.
And of course I do not always win favor when I accuse people
like you of being an organized cover-up, an obstruction of justice
kind of guy -- which I am thinking differently about right now.
>
> Just another myth you charlatans perpetrate. You are thus part of the
> "mob" mentality in fact.

I do not see myself as deliberately deceiving anyone on anything. I see
myself as pointing out evidence that those who normally report the news
have omitted reporting. I also have felt isolated -- from the government,
from the public, from the news version of reality, from other investigators
who have put out what I believe are deliberate false theories -- "pods,
holograms,
no-planes-at-all etc." thereby leading people away from what I belive
is the real hard evidence. And of course I am isolated even from those
otherwise sympathetic because I accuse "Jews" when I should be saying
"Neocons" or a subgroup of Zionists, or
Rumsfeld-Cheney-Wolfowitz-Perle-Zakheim etc.
(specific individuals who appear open-and-shut guilty and clearly
networked to those who profit most)
>
> Individuals, like myself, who prefer reason and logic to politicised
> screeds, are on the outer; the minority in fact. It makes us more far
> objective I believe.

Reason and logic have their place -- but it is the observations, the
premises
that are admitted that determine the conclusions that reason and logic will
derive. Evidence has implications. I don't think your logic can be
faulted,
but you have not accepted the evidence that I have accepted, that has led
to me being convinced. (But have you ever argued my evidence at all?)
>
> Just curious? Do you think you'll ever manage to get rid of that deadly
> virus that infects your brain Dick?

Which one are you referring to?

>
> You sound like an elderly bloke Dick, surely in all your years being
> around these screed-ish kooks, you have observed how it destroys and
> eats at the mind?

I am 57. In my time "debating" on newsgroups and yahoogroups I have learned
that there are people who are not out to convince me of errors, but
discredit me politically, to put stink on me regardless of what is true or
false, valid or unfounded. I have never learned to deal with this -- so I
ignore this kind of criticism when I can -- it helps to see that the
"opponent" is just using his tools to do his job -- that he as likely as not
does not believe all he is accusing me of -- but I sometimes lose my
thick skin and get angry -- and start saying "Jews" when I mean
Wolfowitz-Rumsfeld-Perle-Kissinger etc -- because it is more emotionally
loaded -- not hate but anger, not racism but elicited aggression -- for
which the provoking cause and the response effect both share some
responsibility.

> I see irrational "conspiracism" as a virus, much like religion. Not
> many who have been infected, ever are able to escape it's pathological
> grip.

This is the "Chip Berlet" argument. Conspiracy means that a group secretly
uses government for their own private interests to the detriment of all
others -- conspiracy happens all the time, in every society. Groups are
antagonistic -- our system of checks and balances was meant to make
effective/profitable conspiracy more difficult -- but it doesn't always
work. I do not agree with Chip that seeing conspriacies is a pathological
condition. Groups are always competing for a piece of the action, and
within complex governments groups are formed to reap the rewards of
controlling the means of regulating the economy
(production/distribution/incentive).
>
> BTW - if you read your own post, fundamentally you contradict your own
> "reasoning" (term loosely used) about my alleged "anger"? If I were ever
> angry and frothing, I'd be spitting in Caps, like so many in your
> anti-Semitic, racist, clownish, boofhead cabal do.

OK, I'll remember. No caps, means no anger.
>
> I could not possibly get "angry" over some exaggerated "Zionist"
> fiction, which I view on the level of Mother Goose for nippers, DICK.

Not familiar with the term "nippers" -- but about the problem
of "blaming Zionists": Dov Zakheim is a Zionist and he had a
role in the remote control crashbombing the the WTC towers
(which I infer from his company and his background in
remote control combat aircraft) -- he was willing to comit the
9-11 crime with other Zionists for the sake of Israel's security --
for -- to him -- the greater good. But that does not mean that
other committed Zionists would approve of this tactic of the
false-flag mass-murder inside-job frame-up -- and so it is
proably wrong to blame "Zionism" for 9-11 as it is wrong to blame
"Jews" for 9-11. The just way of proceeding is to say that
there were some people -- Zionists and/or neocons who
thought that the ends justify the means -- that a big crime
and big lie were justified by the security it brought to threatened
Israel. Yes, justice requires that the men who committed this
crime for the love of Israel should be found guilty as should the
man who murdered for love -- the murder being the crime,
not love of Israel or love of a woman. (I think when I type --
don't know what I think until I start typing -- these conclusions
about blaming Zionism are new to me.)

>
> You know this stuff is just historic scapegoating fluff; spread by the
> Elites to cover-up there own agenda. It's patterned, and cyclic.

"THis stuff?" Someone did the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon.
Who and why and how? I think we have some answers to those questions.

>
> Jews are being made the Fall Guys again; it's quite possible by their
> own Elite's agreement? -to keep "their" present day American-satellite,
> State "alive."

Maybe Jews are being made the fall guys. Let's see. How could that be?
Suppose Israel is controlled at the top the same way that the U.S. is
controlled at the top -- by organized crime. Suppose Israel is used by
leadership that does not really care about Israel, just like the US is used
by an elite that does not really care about the US. I certainly do not
believe
that the average Israeli or the average Jewish American had anything to do
with 9-11. This is the work of corrupt elites -- and if they can get
peoples
eyes of of them and get the eyes of people on whole ethnic groups etc. then
they can get away with their crimes. Is that what you are suggesting?
>
> Contrarily matey, it is you who show evidence of a deep seated pathology
> of hate, manufacturing external fictional "demons" to scapegoat the
> internal demons which arise from your troubled personal life.

I am sure I have the real perpetrators -- where I am weak is in uncovering
and exposing just who and what is behind them -- to day the Jews did it,
is way wrong and counter-productive -- even to say "Zionists did it" is too
broad a brush -- we must look at the individuals who are implicated and
find
exactly who and what was behind their committing the crime. I have not done
very well at this -- I don't know who has done well at this -- it is work
that
hasn't really taken off yet.
>
> I make no personal judgement about that. But, I think if you are capable
> of hard, honest self-refection you would agree with me. Dick, there is
> help out there you know? Seriously dude.

I have sought help. No paranoid behaviors were detected. I am compulsive
in the amount of time I spend on the computer and I do get depressed -- and
will
probably get more so now that I am unemployed and overweight at age 57. (240
lbs)

I hold nothing against you -- who are defending what you believe it.
>
> Razz
>
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.

> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "razl dazl" <razldazl@iinet.net.au>
> > To: <Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com>; <ctrl@yahoogroups.com>;
> > <a-albionic@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Conspiracy-Theory] Re: The Islam and Nazi Alliance -
PHOTOS
> > And More DOCUMENTS
> >
> >
> >> pollyphoney wrote:
> >>> The Germans supported the Nazis, so did the Italians, do you want to
> >>> murder their children too or is it just Arabs you hate because you're
> >>> filthy, racist low life scum ?
> >> Well so they did, and paid a great price and consequences for their
> >> hideously evil actions. Just as you will. Karma will get you in the
end,
> >> if not sooner. It's already working now, against you. You feel it,
don't
> >> you.
> >>
> >> The only people advocating murder, or racist bile that seeks genocide,
> >> are racists, and vile hypocritical maggots like you, and scrotum
licker,
> >> wife bashing thug; the aptly named "DICK," Eastman.
> >>
> >> Hmm? Polly and phoney - meaning a parrot and someone who is
> >> disingenuous; very apt name for a deluded charlatan and agent
provocateur.
> >>
> >> The racist scum on this list is yourself, and your racist colleagues,
> >> the aptly named penis-brained "DICK," and some moronic White
Supremacist
> >> cock-snot who posts here on occasion.
> >>
> >> O! and of course "Deon," who regularly has a bowel movement on this
> >> list, after she's tried shedding a few hundred pounds off her fat arse
> >> alone, with her fictitious, snake-oil style, "weight loss" program, she
> >> repetitiously SPAMS this list with.
> >>
> >> As for you, well you are just a racist, smegma smearing, shit-eating,
> >> ridiculous phoney and irrational fuckwit; as far as one can logically
> >> ascertain.
> >>
> >> What do you do on this list; just wait for me to post? You are a
> >> pathologically obsessive and desperate homosexual masochist.
> >>
> >> How often do you suck dick, and take it up the arse? Hourly?
> >>
> >> You sound like one of "DICK"s many schizoid cyber "personalties" -not
> >> too bright, much less original, are you.
> >>
> >> I would not name my dog after that piece of dog shit Allah you worship,
> >> or that filthy rectal excreta and child molester Mohammed.
> >>
> >> I reserve such names for stinking, steamy piles of cat faeces; much
like
> >> your racist butt-fucking, cock-sucking self; you pathetic arse-licking,
> >> wannabe Nazi gimp.
> >>
> >> Razz
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com, razl dazl <razldazl@...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Below are just a few headers and tags. Follow the link for
> >>> photographic
> >>>> evidence and even a documented copy of the actual Minutes of the
> >>> meeting
> >>>> with Hitler and Husseini!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> PHOTOS AND DOCUMENTS
> >>>>
> >>>> CLICK ON ANY PICTURE TO ENLARGE
> >>>>
> >>>> CLICK HERE TO VIEW DOCUMENTS
> >>>>
> >>>> See how these photos tie together visit our home page
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Pre-World War II
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseni
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini as officer of Ottoman Empire - 1915
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini, founder of World Islamic Congress
> >>>> 1931
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini is founder and President of the World Islamic
> >>> Congress.
> >>>> After WWII, it will actively shape the agenda of the Muslim world.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini inciting the riots.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1920 - Jerusalem, Palestine. Amin Al Husseini inciting the riots
> >>> that
> >>>> pitted Palestinian Arab against Palestinian Jew.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> World War II
> >>>>
> >>>> Muslim Soldiers reading German Propaganda
> >>>>
> >>>> Muslim Soldiers reading German Propaganda.
> >>>> The name of the book is Islam Und Judentum
> >>>> (Islam and Judaism in German)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini with one of his Nazi Muslim Troops - 1943 Hanzar SS
> >>>> Division.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini meets Heinrich Himmler, Head of Nazi SS.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini spends WWII by Hitler's side
> >>>>
> >>>> Berlin-1942
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini spends WWII by Hitler's side.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini inspecting Nazi Muslim troops
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini inspecting Nazi Muslim troops - 1943
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Nazi officer inspecting Muslim Bosnian SS troops
> >>>>
> >>>> Nazi officer inspecting Muslim Bosnian SS troops.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Rashid
> >>>>
> >>>> Rashid
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini inspects his Muslim Nazi Hanzar troops
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini inspects his Muslim Nazi Hanzar troops 1943
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Nazi propaganda poster featuring Amin Al Husseini recruiting young
> >>> Muslims.
> >>>> Muslim soldiers
> >>>>
> >>>> Muslim soldiers with hat showing Nazi insigna- WW II.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Bosnian Nazi Muslim Flag under Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Bosnian Nazi Muslim Flag under Amin Al Husseini - 1943
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini in Berlin during World War II.
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Hussseini meets Croat Nazi A.Artukovic and M,Budak, planning
> >>>> Serbian genocide.
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Hussseini meets Croat Nazi A.Artukovic and M,Budak, planning
> >>>> Serbian genocide.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini inspecting his Nazi Muslim troops
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini inspecting his Nazi Muslim troops- 1943
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Bosnian Soldier posting picture of Amin Al Husseini - 1943
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini at Nazi meeting in Berlin
> >>>> during WW II.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Muslim Nazi troops in traditional Muslim prayer -1943
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Muslim Nazi troops in traditional Muslim prayer -1943
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Head of SS Muslim Hanzar Division Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Head of SS Muslim Hanzar Division Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Head of SS Muslim Hanzar Division
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Head of SS Muslim Hanzar Division Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Head of SS Muslim Hanzar Division Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Head of SS Muslim Hanzar Division
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> POST World War II
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin al Husseini at Arab League meeting at its creation- 1944
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> 1946. Key Picture of Amin Al Husseini with the Muslim Leaders of
> >>>> Post-WWII era. Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> 1951. Karachi, Pakistan.
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Pakistan 1951. Amin Al Husseini is guest of honor as President of
> >>> World
> >>>> Islamic Congress.
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Karachi, Pakistan. 1951.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini with Egyptian President Nasser.
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> Leading and representing the Muslim Community: Amin Al Husseini.
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> 1969. Amin Al Husseini with Prime Minister of Malaysia Rahman, First
> >>>> Secretary-General of (OIC) Organisation of Islamic Conferences..
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> 1966. Karachi, Pakistan. Amin Al Husseini continues to be central
> >>> figure
> >>>> in Pakistani leadership.
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>> 1970. Karachi, Pakistan. Husseini with Pakistani leader.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Yasser Arafat (far-right) at Amin Al Husseini's funeral (with Mufti
> >>> of
> >>>> Lebanon).
> >>>>
> >>>> 1974
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Palestinian soldiers under Yasser Arafat doing Nazi salute- today
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Amin Al Husseini
> >>>>
> >>>> Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler. Distributed by Palestinian Authority-
> >>> 2003
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Message 19
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:58pm(PDT)
Subject: I've Started a 911 Questions/Concerned Citizens Group in DALLAS

I've Started a 911 Questions/Concerned Citizens Group (MEET-UP) in
DALLAS TX.

If anyone on this list is in the D/FW area and are interested, then
let me know. The MEET-UP info showed that there were 12 people waiting
to join a 911 Questions/Concerned Citizens Group if one existed here.

Joe

Loose Change 2E is #4 now on GOOGLE Video.

September 11 Revisited (Dustin Mugford) is the most convincing DVD yet.
No narration or commentary to shut some minds off.

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Message 20
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:11pm(PDT)
Subject: UNITED 93 Movie: has a message board.

http://www.united93movie.com/index.php

UNITED 93 Movie has a message board, but it is not yet working.
I will keep checking back and let you know when it is operational.

In the meantime can someone with more knowledge and better writing
skills than I put together something showing the Lies, anomalies,
coverup and best evidence of the TRUTH regarding Flight 93 that we can
post around when this "SHIT" hits the fan.

Or maybe someone already has this compilation or knows of the best
website containing the TRUTH about Flight 93.
Joe

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Message 21
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:01pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Who is a True Zionist?

wow, talk about a boat load of information!

I gotta keep rereading this to absorb it, so much misinformation!

That bastards that be are crafty little bastards! Now i'm beginning to understand, still got a long way to go.

through out reading the email, my jaw was left hanging open! (not kidding!)

Ray Antoky <rayantoky@aol.com> wrote:
Naveed et al:
My post regarding zionism and Judaism reflected the thoughts I have
off the top of my head. It does not address the differences between
religious-zionism, political-zionism, geo-strategic-zionism, pseudo-
zionism, false-zionism, or bizarro-zionism. Point is you cannot take
the heart out of a Jew and still have a living Jew. The urge to
return to his roots, to his land promised him by God is his fervent
hope, prayer and belief. It is not necessarily the love of the
current state called Israel, which however, like it or not, is partly
in that area. How big should the true land of the Jews be? Only God
knows.Jerusalem the locale and also the state of mind, will always be
intrinsic to this hope, prayer and belief. The current government and
perhaps all governments of the state of Israel were never founded on
Torah principles. The current government does not reflect the will of
Jewish thought nor does it represent Jewish law. However, many Jews
are happy to be able to live in proximity to what we consider our
heritage from the Almighty. Living in a ruthless, Godless society
however, sometimes brings out the worst in states, governments and
people. The transparency of the 9/11 event only shows to what ends
crazed individuals of the 'ruling class' will go to to perpetuate and
solidify their hold on power. Did this insane group ensnare any
Jewish souls? Without a doubt. Some Jews have been ensnared in false
pursuits throughout our history.
Bottom line: the true Zionist is a mourner not a killer, a colonist,
a separatist, an elitist or any other kind of monster. He is looking
to return to his bequest which he had snatched from him, albeit
temporarily, from the only true power, in order to serve his only true Master properly. Only by righteous living, thinking and adherence to Godly principles can he ever hope to return.
We remember we were slaves and were granted salvation and return
before.Only by God's will can it happen again.
Please read the following article and remember the destruction of the
temple happened twice on the 9th day of the 11th month (Tisha B'Av).
http://www.jewishpress.com/page.do/2664/Who_Is_A_True_Zionist%3F.html
Who Is A True Zionist?
By: Bezalel Fixler
Wednesday, December 31, 2003
Legend has it that Napoleon Bonaparte once passed by a synagogue in
Paris and observed that men, women and children were sitting on the
ground and crying. He was curious to find out what catastrophe had
befallen them, and how he could help. He was astonished to learn that
they were mourning the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem and the
banishing of the Jewish people from their homeland.
Legend has it that Napoleon Bonaparte once passed by a synagogue in
Paris and observed that men, women and children were sitting on the
ground and crying. He was curious to find out what catastrophe had
befallen them, and how he could help. He was astonished to learn that
they were mourning the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem and the
banishing of the Jewish people from their homeland.
He was even more astonished when he realized that they were crying
about an event that had occurred nearly two thousand years ago. He
then made the now famous remark that a people whose loss of their
homeland is engraved in their memory for almost two thousand years is
a people destined to return to it.
Who were these nameless Jews in an obscure Parisian synagogue sitting
on the ground, shoeless, unshaven, bent over candlelight, crying and
praying for the return to Zion? Who were they? I will tell you.
Napoleon made a great discovery that day. He discovered the existence
of true Zionists.
For that matter, who do you think were the first Zionists, the very
first ones? Do you think it was Achad Ha'am, Pinsker and Lilienblum?
No! Was it Herzl, Nordau and Jabotinsky? No! The first Zionists
emerged in the first year after the destruction of Jerusalem. On
Tisha B'Av of that year, they were sitting on the ground, shoeless at
candlelight, crying and praying for the return to Zion. They were the
first Zionists.
I am saying this because Zionism without a religious component is not
real Zionism. It is Herzlism. Herzlism can be defined as Jewish
nationalism devoid of any vestige of holiness or attachment to
millennia of Jewish heritage. Nationalism without spiritual bonds to
Torah and Israel is insufficient to capture the essence of the Jewish
people.
Theodor Herzl had a noble and practical dream of how to save the Jews
from the ravages of anti-Semitism. Give him Uganda, and he would take
it. Thousands of years of Jewish history, creativity and thought were
foreign to him. The indescribable yearnings of the Jewish people to
return to Zion were ignored by him. Therefore Herzlism is not true
Zionism, and his followers are not true Zionists.
Now that we've established who the first Zionists were, let's find
out who the real Zionists are in our time. I suggest that, just like
Napoleon did, you take a walk on any Tisha B'Av night and take a peek
through the windows of any synagogue. What do you think you will see?
You will see the same thing Napoleon saw: men, women and children
sitting shoeless on the ground, praying at candlelight for the return
to Zion. What you will be looking at are the true Zionists of our
time.
If you are still not convinced, come with me to Kennedy or Newark
airport at the beginning of the Hebrew school year. Take a good look
and you will see yeshiva boys and seminary girls flocking to attend
schools in Israel. In spite of the Intifada, in spite of the suicide
bombers, they keep coming as their mothers hold back tears while they
board the airplanes. These young sons and daughters of Israel are the
true Zionists. May G-d bless them and protect them.
Who do you think patronized the hotels in Israel last Sukkot? It was
an amazing phenomenon. Empty hotels suddenly filled to the rafters.
Who filled them? Orthodox and chassidic Jews, in an expression of
solidarity with a suffering Israel, decided to spend the holidays in
the Holy Land. They did not go to Florida. They did not go to the
Caribbean. They went to Israel. They are true Zionists.
Did you ever watch your mother light the Sabbath candles? Please
watch her closely, as she stands with her hands over her eyes and
whispers softly with emotion, and sometimes with a tear, "Let the
will of G-d be that the holy Temple be rebuilt in our days..." Yes,
your mother is a true Zionist.
I will tell you another thing, my friend, and it is a very important
thing: Every Jew who prays three times a day, clamoring for the
redemption and uttering the words "Let our eyes see Your (G-d's)
return to Zion with compassion" – he is a true Zionist.
And let it be stated emphatically that every Jew who proclaims three
times a day with great emotion and trepidation "...and to Jerusalem
Your city You (G-d) shall return with tenderness" – he is a true
Zionist.
In (approximately) the year 1140, the famous scholar and poet Rabbi
Yehuda Halevy, the author of the Kuzari, arrived in Jerusalem after a
dangerous journey from Egypt. When he arrived at the gates of the
city and saw the desolation, he tore his clothes, and with tremendous
feeling composed the famous poem "Tzion Halo Tishali" (Oh Zion, will
you not inquire about the welfare of your imprisoned). As he was on
his knees in tears, kissing the sacred ground, an Arab horseman,
jealous and resentful of Jewish attachment to Jerusalem, crushed him
to death with the hooves of his horse. Yes, Rabbi Yehuda Halevy paid
the ultimate price for true Zionism. May his death be avenged.
The Ramban (1194-1270), the pious Alshich (in the 1500's), the
saintly Shalo (1565-1630) and the virtuous Ohr Hachaim (1698-1743)
made aliyah when there were no modern modes of transportation (to put
it mildly). Their journeys were marked by danger, but they were drawn
by the magnetism, by the mysterious force, of the Holy Land.
When they arrived in Eretz Yisrael, they were not given special
privileges as an oleh chadash (new immigrant). They were not welcomed
by a friendly government and given free shelter and a stipend. They
lived in poverty and in misery but were kept alive by their love for
the Holy Land. They were all true Zionists.
In the year 1777, Rabbi Menachem Mendel of Vitebsk and other
disciples of the Baal Shem Tov set out on a journey to the Holy Land
in order to settle there. In spite of the enormous difficulties they
encountered in the land, they decided to stick it out and stay.
In the first decade of the 1800's, the disciples of the Vilna Gaon
also decided to make aliyah. They left everything behind except their
spirit, and set out on a journey, beset with danger, in order to
reach their goal: the Holy Land.
About a thousand years ago, a large group of Yemenite Jews decided to
leave the diaspora and make aliyah. One cannot imagine the hardships
these pioneers encountered. They traveled several thousand miles,
mostly by foot, sometimes by camel, through the Arabian Desert. By
day they were exposed to the hot desert sun, and at night to freezing
temperatures. In addition, they were attacked by marauding Arab
bandits who took most of their belongings. Many died on the way, but
the group endured and arrived in Jerusalem.
Do you know why the disciples of the Baal Shem Tov, the disciples of
the Vilna Gaon, and this very determined group of Yemenites decide to
leave their relatives, their rabbis and depart for the unknown?
Remember, these groups were not greeted upon their arrival with a
band playing "Haivainu Shalom Aleichem" or "Hava Nagila." Nor were
they given "oleh chadash" status. Why, then, did they leave the
comforts of their homes, and risk their lives to travel to a
desolate, forsaken land?
The answer is in that attractive force, that eternal bond, that
heavenly magnetism between the Jewish people and the land of Israel.
They wanted to reside in a land that is the holiest of all the lands
in the world. They wanted to reside in a land that G-d watches over
personally at all times. They wanted to reside in a land where they
could be proud to be Jewish. They wanted to reside in the "Palace of
the King." They wanted to be in a land where every step a person
takes earns him a mitzvah. They were true Zionists!
It happened right after World War II. Three of the Vizhnitzer Rebbeim
who survived the Holocaust decided to make aliyah. America, England,
Canada or other galut domiciles that were beckoning to them didn't
even enter their minds. In spite of the far better conditions offered
to them by Vizhnitz chassidim in New York, they decided to go to the
land of their ancestors to build up Torah and chassidus, which they
did with great success. Is this true Zionism? Of course it is.
Have you ever visited a religious family that just finished building
a new house? If you have, you possibly noticed an unpainted square
foot of wall staring you in the face as you entered. Did you ever
wonder why? Here is the answer: Our sages (Orech Chaim 560, 1) wanted
us not to forget for one moment our attachment to Jerusalem. They
wanted us to be constantly aware that our homeland was destroyed and
that we are in the diaspora. Is this nationalism? Is this extremism?
No; this is true Zionism.
Visit any Vizhnitz shtibel on weekdays and pay attention when the
chazan recites "V'Leyerushalyim Ircha B'Rachamim Toshuv" (And to
Jerusalem your city You (G-d) shall return with compassion). One can
feel the deep emotion emanating from every syllable and every word.
Is this just chassidus? No; this is true Zionism.
Rabbi Moshe Blau, one of the leaders of the Agudah in Israel, writes
in his memoirs that he once was walking with Reb Yosef Chaim
Sonnenfeld in an Israeli city and came upon a youth parade. There
were hundreds of youths marching with Israeli flags and probably not
clad in accordance with Jewish law. It should be noted that Reb Yosef
Chaim Sonnenfeld was considered to be one of the most ardent anti-
Zionists of his time. Rabbi Blau relates that as the procession
passed he overheard, to his great surprise, Reb Yosef Chaim
whispering the passage in Deuteronomy, "May G-d multiply you a
thousand-fold and bless you." An amazing story, isn't it? Well, Reb
Yosef Chaim was a true Zionist.
You have heard of Tikun Chatzos, haven't you? It is a set of prayers
specifically designed by our sages to be recited by the devout every
midnight in supplication and entreaty for the return to Zion.
Prostrated, with ashes on their heads, they mourn the destruction of
Jerusalem, and with tears rolling down their faces, they recite: "If
I forget thee, oh Jerusalem let my right hand wither. Let my tongue
cleave to my palate if I do not remember you..." Is this religious
fanaticism? No; this is true Zionism.
If you've ever dined on weekdays with observant Jews, you may have
noticed that they remove, or hide, the knives from the table before
saying grace. This is in accordance with the law as specified in
Orech Chaim 180,5. Is this superstition? No; this practice was
instituted by our sages who anticipated that a true Zionist might try
to end his life out of extreme devotion when the words "Jerusalem,
the holy city" are mentioned. (It once actually happened.) No, this
is not voodoo. This is true Zionism.
Was Rashi, the most revered commentator on all of Torah, whose name
is engraved in the memory of every Torah-observant man, woman, and
child, whose name previous generations recalled with loving
reverence – was Rashi a true Zionist? Let the next paragraph speak
for itself.
Reb Yeruchem Halevy Levovitz, the famed mashgiach of the Mirer
Yeshiva, explains why Rashi started his commentary on the Torah with
a seemingly irrelevant statement on why Eretz Yisrael belongs to the
Jews. Here is what Reb Yeruchem says (Daas Torah, Bereishis 1,1):
"It is extremely important to know that although the Torah is multi-
faceted, there is only one ultimate objective that embodies all of
Torah. And that objective is Eretz Yisrael! The soul of all Torah is
the conquest of Eretz Yisrael so as to make a dwelling place for the
Shechina (the Divine presence). All of the chapters in the Torah
about our forefathers, the slavery in Egypt, the redemption, and the
Ten Commandments are all incidental. The end product is the conquest
of the land."
"That is what Rashi is telling us," says Reb Yeruchem. "The grandiose
purpose of all of Torah is Eretz Yisrael. Immediately, at the very
beginning, the Torah set the tone for all of Torah."
In other words, the centrality of Eretz Yisrael in the Torah is set
forth in the very first sentence in Bereishis. If this is not true
Zionism, what is?
Bezalel Fixler, a survivor of the Transnistria death camp and a
musmach of Yeshiva Torah Vodaath, is a contributing columnist to Dos
Yiddishe Vort and The Algemeiner Journal. He can be contacted at
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Message 22
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:12pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Fw: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism

glad to have you on board!

I've learned a lot! thank you!

Ray Antoky <rayantoky@aol.com> wrote:
Okay Dick I'll jump in again. If you read my last post about a true Zionist you would understand that Perle, Wolfowitz and Kissinger are not worthy of the term Zionist. The word has a holy connotation to true believing Jewish people and these individuals represent the antithesis. So if certain Jews become ensnared in the plots of Neocons, Globalists, Oligarchs, Militarists, etc. and are somehow made to appear to be supporting 'Zionist' concepts, it is only the plotters who encourage the label 'zionist' or perhaps those aggrieved individuals who need to label the perpetrators and need a convenient label. Zionist sounds like it would work and therefore became a 'dirty word'. Nothing could be further from the truth. These people such as Kissinger, have been manipulated, used, brainwashed, co-opted, and empowered in order to effect the agenda of those Godless individuals who serve only the evil inclination that is part of man, which we are required to conquer each day of
our lives. These 'bad guys' have at their core a big zero which means they have no light inside, only darkness. May I reiterate for you Dick that it is unhealthy to use the term Zionist as you do. Misguided, Sabbatean Jews if they happen to be Jewish, but not Zionists, please. In a sense Angie is right because you cannot split true Zionism from Judaism. It's just that the word has been so misused that its meaning has become obscured. Yes there are some dumb Jews or ones that call themselves Jews but they are not representative of the term Jew or Zionist. Their allegiance is to false gods . Call them Luciferians if you like. Try that instead of Zionist. It is more universally understood. And you don't have to be Jewish to be one!
Ray Antoky ,Brooklyn, NY

>>No this is the kind of questioning my position needs to be subjected to. The evidence of a false-flag black-op 9-11 implicates the DoD leadership --- individuals who are Zionists, Globalists, Neocons, Big Business related. We know Kissinger's position at Wolfowitz's Defence Policy Board chaired by Richard Perle -- these men have backgrounds and loyalties -- to what extent do their positions in the guilty Pentagon band implicate those behind them (China and Kissinger, the Rothschilds and Perle, the Rockefellers and Kissinger and Gingrich(also on the board))? We are dealing with well-connected people -- real powers in the capitalist global order -- BUT WHAT ARE THE RIGHT DISCRIMINATIONS TO BE MADE IN POINTING TO THE GUILTY?<<

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@...> wrote:
>
> "If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
> reinstatement."
>
> I agree with this too. Angie was right to object to my not discriminating between "Jews in general" and those Zionists (groups within the groups of American neo-cons and/or Israeli Mossad) who were part of the 9-11 false-flag black-op. It would be very productive to have Angie employ her "Jared Israel pro-Zionist" orientation to be a watchdog over me to speak out when I use too broad a brush. If you can't banish those you disagree with you might as well engage them point by point for the sake of truth and justice.
>
> "If certain Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and influence and
> use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not entitle them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members of the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of their Jewish roots? Too much merging is going on."
>
> No this is the kind of questioning my position needs to be subjected to. The evidence of a false-flag black-op 9-11 implicates the DoD leadership --- individuals who are Zionists, Globalists, Neocons, Big Business related. We know Kissinger's position at Wolfowitz's Defence Policy Board chaired by Richard Perle -- these men have backgrounds and loyalties -- to what extent do their positions in the guilty Pentagon band implicate those behind them (China and Kissinger, the Rothschilds and Perle, the Rockefellers and Kissinger and Gingrich(also on the board))? We are dealing with well-connected people -- real powers in the capitalist global order -- BUT WHAT ARE THE RIGHT DISCRIMINATIONS TO BE MADE IN POINTING TO THE GUILTY?
>
> I have been wrong -- not discriminating enough. The job is too big for me -- It is a job for many people with different different backgrounds and standpoints -- Let there be new discussion on this topic -- let angie and dick eastman and everyone one else contribute -- protecting the innocent, uncovering the guilty.
>
> DIck Eastman
> Yakima, Washington
> Every man is responsible to every other man.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: samier@...
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:27 PM
> Subject: Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
>
>
> The Israel-Palaestina conflict affects me in a special way..my father was born 1942 in Palaestna and few aears later his whole family and lots of friends had to leave their home country and fleed to Jordan because their land was taken away..in 1960 my father left Jordan and came to Germany because it was the only way to support his parents with money,because they were really poor..In Palaestina they ever have been a rich family,but from 1 day to another they lost everything...So there are 2 opinions...But I must say that I`m not a extremist..I was born in Germany and my mother was born here also..For someone from a Near East country my father is really very open minded and very liberal...Far far far away from beeing a fanatic islamist lol..and since looong time German citizen also.
> I have 1 big problem with Israel...Whenever someone citicize their politic,especially as a Grman,you are a antisemite for them (gouverment)..But there are crazy,sick fanatic extremist`s on both sites..not only on the palaestinian site.
>
> I`m open for every discussion that base on facts..Every releigion has a lot kinds of secs and soe of them are really far far away from the reality..I only say Bush and his reborn Christ`s..every fanatic group is eally a danger.
>
> Sorry if something was OT but for me it was important to write this after I have read something about Zionism here.
>
> Greetings from Germany
>
> Samier
>
> -------Originalmeldung-------
>
> Von: Naveed
> Datum: 04/23/06 17:42:28
> An: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism and Judaism
>
> that clears up alot,
>
> didn't realize that zionism was an intrinsic part of Judaism, if i'm understanding this correctly, there are fake zionists running around out there giving the real jews a bad name?
>
> so how does theodore herzl tie into the zionism?
>
> I mean I don't know that's why it is important to have an open discussion instead of slamming people down and banning, angie's crimes. there is no off topic subject because that's contradictory to the no censorship.
>
> you have some place where you can direct me to in order to learn more?
>
> I'm taking a vacation from moderation for some time, this whole thing has left me exhausted.
>
> Ray Antoky rayantoky@... wrote:
>
> Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
> First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
> family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
> Judaism.
>
> For many outsiders and non practicing Jews such as Mark Bilk, Judaism
> is some incomprehensible black hole. From the inside, one attempts to
> develop a relationship with the creator based on the words of the
> scriptures and the commentaries. While Jews have met with and earned
> great success throughout the ages they have also suffered greatly,
> due to non-adherence to the tenets of our creed, so the explanation
> is given.
> Religious Jews always yearn for the return to Zion which would be the
> reinstatement of a Jewish theocratic state charcterized with the
> rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem and the coming of the Messiah
> (Mashiach). It has not happened. Jews are still in exile, even those
> living in the land where this redemption should take place. True
> Zionism is merely yearning for this redemption to take place. Rising
> up against those who would attempt to destroy you or prevent you from
> achieving your legitimate objective is required. Non practicing Jews
> whose motivation is unenlightened cannot represent those who
> understand that salvation and reinstatement into a homeland of peace
> cannot happen unless the nation of Jews is deemed worthy. If certain
> Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and influence and
> use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not entitle
> them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is
> Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members of
> the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of
> their Jewish roots?
> Too much merging is going on.
> As we can see from the ugly events that always seem to come to pass
> in the world, mankind has a war with its evil inclination. True
> Judaism encourages the conquering of that inclination.
> Zionism is merely an intrinsic part of Judaism which cannot be
> separated. You cannot be a true Zionist without full acceptance of
> the Truth of all the commandments of the Torah and its commentaries.
> This requires study and doing the research just like Charlie
> Sheen 'did the research'on 9/11. Anyone else claiming to be a Zionist
> is an imposter and anyone separating Zionism from Judaism does not
> understand either term. True Zionism is intrinsic to Judaism, like it
> or not.
>
> Ray Antoky
> Bklyn
>
> PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
> reinstatement.
>
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>
> In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
> - Notebook, 1904
>
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Message 23
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:13pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Who is a True Zionist?

what i meant was there is so much misinformation about zionism out there, not that your post was misinformation

just thought i'd point out.

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
wow, talk about a boat load of information!

I gotta keep rereading this to absorb it, so much misinformation!

That bastards that be are crafty little bastards! Now i'm beginning to understand, still got a long way to go.

through out reading the email, my jaw was left hanging open! (not kidding!)

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Message 24
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:15pm(PDT)
Subject: With the zionism issue settled.....

May I kindly request we get back on topic of saving america and the world from the crazy bastards with the nookular football?

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Message 25
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:18pm(PDT)
Subject: Fw: Have the Neocons Already Destroyed the United States?

From: Sean McBride
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006

Have the Neocons Already Destroyed the United States?

It's possible that Bush and the neocons have not merely damaged the United States severely, but destroyed it irrevocably.

During the last few years, through a great deal of violent rhetoric and violent actions, they have driven major oil-producing nations -- including Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela -- away from the United States and towards the orbit of China, Russia and India. During a period when we should have been focused on developing and improving our good relations with these oil-producing nations, as we enter an era of oil scarcity, Bush and the neocons did everything in their power to wreck those relations.

There is no way that we will be able to control these oil resources through military force, or to credibly threaten nations, like Russia and China, which own large arsenals of nuclear weapons. The game is essentially over, and the nations which have formed themselves into an alliance, to counter the hostile behavior of Bush and the neocons, are holding the upper hand.

Not only can't Bush play chess in international politics, but he can't even play checkers or tic-tac-toe. What could be more simple? Don't anger nations upon whose resources you are dependent for your economic prosperity and survival, especially when other powerful nations are willing and eager to displace you.

It will be very difficult to undo the damage that Bush and the neocons have done, and to restructure the new balance of international forces. America and Israel vs. the whole damned world -- a certain recipe for the destruction of the United States.

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