Monday, April 10, 2006

[political-research] Re: Tracking the Israel Lobby in Real Time

Re: Brian Jonestown Massacre:
 
 
Check out Tepid Peppermint Wonderland <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00065U036/>
 
Check out free downloads of their music here: <http://www.brianjonestownmassacre.com/mp3.html>
 
BJM is one of those subterranean phenomena whose influence has been greater than their fame.
 
Re: some music I am listening to lately (and a pointer to a leading edge music recommender system, Pandora): <http://www.pandora.com/people/smcbride2>
 
 
Re: the long version of the Mearsheimer/Walt paper: <http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011>
 
Re: Antiwar.com's views on the Israel lobby and the neocons: the vast majority of their factual assertions have been correct and stand unrefuted.  Quite a few of the authors there are quite a bit smarter than the usual op-ed writers for the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal and the rest of the mainstream media.
 
Antiwar.com got everything right about the Iraq War -- the mainstream media got everything wrong about the Iraq War.  The key factor in this reality warp was Israel and the Israel lobby -- NOT the oil lobby or oil interests, as Michael Ruppert and others have claimed.  The vast majority of second-rate minds in the mainstream media who promoted the Iraq War have absolutely no connections to big oil -- but many of them have emotional and material connections to Israel.
 
The Israel lobby first began the campaign for an American invasion of Arab and Muslim oil nations, over the objections of the oil industry, in the early *1970s* -- just after the 1973 War and the Arab oil embargo.  This has been an obsessive neoconservative dream and project for at least four decades -- breaking the back of Arab and Muslim oil power on behalf of Israel.  9/11 provided the excuse and pretext for finally implementing the policy.  The scheme never had anything to do with acquiring affordable and reliable oil for Americans.  It will in fact have precisely the opposite effect -- jeopardize American access to affordable and reliable oil.  The invasion and occupation of Iraq was directly contrary to the American interest, as will be the bombing of Iran, if that occurs.  These policies are being driven by Israel and the Israel lobby.
 
Why do you think it is that so many Republicans, conservatives, and high-level American military and intelligence leaders have opposed policies which were originated by Likud and designed to exploit American resources to the detriment of Americans?  The policies are so irrational, from the American standpoint, that the mainstream Israel lobby is now dependent on cultivating the support of insane Christian Armageddonists and America haters like John Hagee to ram them through.
 
 
--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, "LeaNder" <l.l.hahn@...> wrote:
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>
> >
> > Thanks for the pointer -- I wasn't aware that this group ranked high
> on that particular list. I did know, however, that quite a few of the
> readers of this group are influential, and that the impact of the group
> is substantially greater than the mere number of subscribers would
> indicate. Think of it as the Velvet Underground or Brian Jonestown
> Massacre of intel-oriented groups. :) (Both bands had relatively few
> fans, but many of those fans went on to create extremely influential
> bands. They were below-the-radar monsters, in terms of covert influence
> on the culture. By the way, I don't really intend to compare this group
> to John Cale or Anton Newcomb -- those guys really are major league
> geniuses.)
>
> You're welcome! Took me a while to understand. Probably since the switch
> in my head was set on "please no test in conspiracy research matters".
> Apart from that I am pleased you again prove your good taste in music
> matters.  As you might imagine in the end my eyes rested on "Brian
> Jonestown Massacre". Triggers nothing? I wonder, if I ever heard
> something by them? But apart from that  your selection is perfect. Yes I
> am still not quite over a certain state of emergency in cia-drugs times.
> A warning of ADL, closely followed by an accident.
> >
> > Have you stopped to think how influential cia-drugs has been on the
> culture at large, particularly in its 2000-2002 phase? Some key
> questions about 9/11 and the role of neoconservatives in the Bush
> administration began to emerge in that tiny venue before they entered
> the alternative media issue stream. There were some incredibly bold,
> cutting-edge minds in cia-drugs when it was running on all cylinders.
> I've never seen so many unprogrammed and unprogrammable minds in a
> single spot who were completely fearless in following the facts wherever
> they led.
>
> I think I read it from April 2002 on. I have the impression, it only
> made me realize what serious impact stories can have on your mind,
> making you stare crossed-eyes-wide-open  at page after page, or screen
> after screen, addictively. What is real? Mainly Webfaries stories, well
> he will forgive some of Kris' too ...? The only 9/11 top expert left
> then seemed Ruppert, if we do not count his sailor caught in Canada? The
> rest of the mainstream seemed highly suspicious only concerning the
> official tale, as I was myself. Your expertise seemed to offer the
> advantage to return to reality step by step. But then ...?
> >
> > Regarding the ADL: it is a key component of the overall Israel lobby
> (and of the CPMAJO), and often develops shoddy and cheesy apologetics to
> try to fend off legitimate criticism of the Israeli government. Many
> people strongly suspect that the ADL operates intimately with Mossad.
> Marc Rich is one key link which connects the ADL and Mossad.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League
>
> Well I consider it a bit strange too,  that they decided to  honor
> Berlusconi. Has no PR advisor warned them? Or are they too detached by
> now? Admittedly I do not know too much about the Marc Rich affair,
> besides that Clinton pardoned him. No idea what for. Was it Iran-Contra
> related? And Wikipedia got an notice reading: This article is in need of
> attention. Is this the loby again, or just a couple of concerned
> citizen?
>
> >
> > Regarding the Harvard/UChicago paper on the lobby: I am still kind of
> blown away that this paper appeared. Many people at elite American
> universities have been thinking this way for some time, but very few of
> them have the courage to tell the truth. They understand that the
> consequences of truth-telling on this matter can be devastating to the
> truth-teller.
>
> I read the paper. Basically what you have been saying all along. No? Is
> the long version on the net somewhere?
> Admittedly I am puzzled.  On one hand I do not like the  multitude of
> comparisons with Hitler and the Nazis, so much used today Hitler =
> Saddam: Muslim extremists = Nazis,  on the other I  find it hard to
> accept views e.g. Justin Raimondo's (with all respect?!) that the US
> already in WWII should have stayed out of the war. I decided to study
> 20century US history, by the way. I already learned that the
> conscientious objectors of WWII believed everything the stories about
> Hitler was propaganda, that's indeed a strange contortion of reality.
> Makes me wonder.
> >
> > The dam may finally be breaking on discussing the Israel lobby for two
> reasons: (1) it was highly conspicuous in agitating for the Iraq War
> (and now an Iran War), and (2) the Iraq War has turned out to be a
> gigantic disaster for the American interest, the Mideast and the world
> at large. It is simply no longer possible to sweep these important
> truths under the rug -- too much is at stake to play dumb and lie low.
>
> True again. But remember the cartoon portraying Bush as a marionette?
> That's a good image for what you say. I wonder what Brian would say now,
> before he went away, he was busy telling people they should read the
> Protocols, even offering them free copies of Collins Piper, who lately
> found Isreal fingers even in the Kennedy murder, to learn about the
> octopus. Wouldn't he be surprised about this shoestring artists matter
> by prominent academics? This indeed was on my mind lately. That and that
> you warned him of the ADL, if I do not fantasize. Unfortunately Kris
> keeps that part of the cia-drugs under lock, unavailable to the pubic
> eye, so I can't go back to read it. And yes this big Gordian Knot in my
> head triggered my questions. I guess it's the student of literature in
> me, that is puzzled if reality really can hold a real time variation of
> an old fiction. As one of my favorite writer on theatre matters over
> here once called it: Fiction dropped into life. Yes that's what this
> somehow feels, and I can well see the resemblance recognize the
> evidence, but still ...
> >
> > The Mearsheimer and Walt paper may prove to be as big a cultural
> detonation as the 95 Theses Martin Luther nailed to the Wittenburg
> church door in 1517. The Israel lobby is no longer going to get a free
> ride in promoting its agenda. It is going to have to start making sense
> in fair, open and reasonable policy debate.
> >
> I'd like to read the whole paper. Did you expect that your view would
> get  more and more momentum at this speed, well maybe JR did? But  this
> feels really strange.
>
> Haaretz, Forward? Should they have immediately have celebrated the
> paper? I am missing the New York Times, or was it only Judith Miller in
> that case? The Washington Times, not either?
>
> deeply puzzled
> regards
>
> -b
>
> > > 9/11 and the engineering of the Iraq War
> > > >
> > > > 1. ADL (Anti-Defamation League)
> >
> > > > 2. AEI (American Enterprise Institute)
> > > >
> > > > 3. AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee)
> > > >
> > > > 4. Benador Associates
> > > >
> > > > 5. CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in
> America)
> > > >
> > > > 6. Campus Watch
> > > >
> > > > 7. Commentary
> > > >
> > > > 8. CSP (Center for Security Policy)
> > > >
> > > > 9. FDD (Foundation for the Defense of Democracies)
> > > >
> > > > 10. Forward
> > > >
> > > > 11. Freeman Center for Strategic Studies
> > > >
> > > > 12. FrontPage Magazine
> > > >
> > > > 13. Haaretz
> > > >
> > > > 14. IFCJ (International Fellowship of Christians and Jews)
> > > >
> > > > 15. Israel National News (Arutz Sheva)
> > > >
> > > > 16. IsraPundit
> > > >
> > > > 17. JCSS (Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies)
> > > >
> > > > 18. Jerusalem Newswire
> > > >
> > > > 19. Jerusalem Post
> > > >
> > > > 20. Jewish Press
> > > >
> > > > 21. Jewish Week
> > > >
> > > > 22. Jewish World Review
> > > >
> > > > 23. Jewsweek
> > > >
> > > > 24. JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs)
> > > >
> > > > 25. JTA (Jewish Telegraphic Agency)
> > > >
> > > > 26. Likud
> > > >
> > > > 27. Little Green Footballs
> > > >
> > > > 28. Lucianne.com
> > > >
> > > > 29. MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute)
> > > >
> > > > 30. Middle East Forum
> > > >
> > > > 31. National Review
> > > >
> > > > 32. New Republic
> > > >
> > > > 33. New York Post
> > > >
> > > > 34. New York Sun
> > > >
> > > > 35. NJDC (National Jewish Democratic Council)
> > > >
> > > > 36. One Jerusalem
> > > >
> > > > 37. PNAC (Project for the New American Century)
> > > >
> > > > 38. RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition)
> > > >
> > > > 39. Saban Center for Middle East Policy
> > > >
> > > > 40. Simon Wiesenthal Center
> > > >
> > > > 41. The Board of Deputies of British Jews
> > > >
> > > > 42. The David Project
> > > >
> > > > 43. The Israel Project
> > > >
> > > > 44. Toward Tradition
> > > >
> > > > 45. Townhall.com
> > > >
> > > > 46. Washington Jewish Week
> > > >
> > > > 47. Weekly Standard
> > > >
> > > > 48. WINEP (Washington Institute for Near East Policy)
> > > >
> > > > 49. WorldNetDaily
> > > >
> > > > 50. ZOA (Zionist Organization of America)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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