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1. Re: Zionism, mortal enemy of Judaism
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
2. POLL at the UNITED 93 Message Board
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
3. Re: The UNITED 93 Message Boards Packed With TRUTH (must see)
From: "Chris Bell" somebigguy88@yahoo.com
4. Re: How Charlie Sheen Could Have Done Better
From: "JIM" justpasenthru2012@att.net
5. Re: can you say?
From: "Bugs" brawny@twlakes.net
6. Re: Thermite On WTC Core Columns
From: "mojo_j_2000" mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com
7. Fw: More top brass blast Rumsfeld -- he's protected by a handpicked
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
8. Paul Craig Roberts: Wars, Debt and Outsourcing -- The World is Unit
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
9. Greg Syzmanski interviews J. Fields re: Susan Lindauer
From: "janet phelan" jcphelan10@yahoo.com
10. more than 2400 have died
From: "Bugs" brawny@twlakes.net
11. Thermite Identified As Culprit Of WTC Collapse
From: "mojo_j_2000" mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com
12. thermite cut......ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation
From: "mojo_j_2000" mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com
13. Fw: Only putting across the truth about 9-11 will work towards maki
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
14. thermite was combined with sulphur to make it burn even hotter
From: "mojo_j_2000" mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com
15. 9-11 and WTC South Tower -- Karl W B Schwarz versus the "no-planers
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
16. Fw: Media largely ignore ex-CIA official's disclosure that White Hou
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
17. Re: [catapult] Re: 9-11 Investigations -- Ray Antoky and Dick Eastm
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
18. Makow: How the Elite Plays God ( Exposing the Tavistock Institute)
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
19. Re: can you say?
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
20. Jewish World Jerusalem Post: Top White House posts go to Jews (no
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21. Send comments to Dem Underground about this article
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Message 1
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:23pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Zionism, mortal enemy of Judaism
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Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionism, mortal enemy of Judaism
But the way ray put it that you can't separate Zionism from Judaism (the true sense of zionism, not the death brought upon the world by the douglas feith, richard pearl et al.) as far as i understand it that zionism has been taken over by nookular crazies and they are calling it zionism to fool people into thinking its the true zionism the kind that ray was describing). Its like calling a color green when it really isn't green and telling people that its green but when you look at it more closely its really not green at all! you see what i'm trying to say (pardon the pun). false zionism trying to act like real zionism. The false being pushed by the puppet-masters.
Kevin MacDonald on Jewish "world-perfecting idealism"
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:45:33 EDT From: RePorterNoteBook@aol.com
The Conservatism of Fools: A Response to John Derbyshire1
By Kevin MacDonald2
Date: 2003
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/derb.htm
This is a response to a review by John Derbyshire of my book, The Culture of
Critique, that appeared in The American Conservative. In an earlier article,
Derbyshire described himself as philo-Semite who traces his attitudes on Jews to
his pleasant childhood memories of a local Jewish family and "the numberless
kindnesses that I have received at the hands of Jews, friendships I treasure and
lessons I have learnt. I cherish those recollections."3
I find myself now, in middle age, with complicated and sometimes
self-contradictory feelings about the Jews. Those early impressions -- culture,
wit, intelligence, kindness, and hospitality -- are still dominant, and I have
read enough to know what a stupendous debt our civilization owes to the Jews. At
the same time, there are aspects of distinctly Jewish ways of thinking that I
dislike very much. The world-perfecting idealism, for example, that is rooted in
the most fundamental premises of Judaism, has, it seems to me, done great harm
in the modern age.... I also find the theories of Kevin Macdonald (The Culture
of Critique) about the partly malign influence of Jews on modern American
culture very persuasive -- though this is not an endorsement of Macdonald's
theory of "group evolutionary strategies" which I do not understand. And like (I
suppose) every other Gentile, I have often been irritated by Jewish
sensibilities, and occasionally angered by them.4
These earlier comments on The Culture of Critique appeared in April, 2001.
Derbyshire's evaluation of the book (and its author) has changed a bit, perhaps
because the edition reviewed in The American Conservative contains a new preface
that tilts the balance in my writing even more on the side of the negative.
For Derbyshire, evaluating Jews is like a business ledger: There are positives
and negatives, and for him, the positives vastly outweigh the negatives.
However, providing a balance ledger of credits and debits is not a purpose of
The Culture of Critique. My purpose is to document Jewish intellectual and
political movements -- movements led by Jews and motivated by perceptions that
these movements would advance Jewish interests. I have tried to document all
such movements that I am aware of, but this is not the same as documenting
Jewish contributions to civilization or culture. As I note in the Preface,
Albert Einstein's work -- obviously an important contribution to physics -- does
not qualify as a Jewish intellectual movement because it was not motivated by
advancing Jewish interests (even though Einstein was a strongly identified Jew).
Similarly, my book has no interest in recording fond memories of individual Jews
that seem to have formed Derbyshire's intellectual outlook.
As a result of his generally positive attitude about Jews and Judaism,
Derbyshire is, apart from some minor irritations, quite uncritical about Jewish
motives and influence, even when they conflict with the interests of people like
himself. He implies that non-Jews should understand Jewish motivation to break
down the ethnic homogeneity of their own societies while advancing the interests
of Israel as an ethnostate. We non-Jews should understand such Jewish behavior
because these outcomes are good for Jews. But, somehow he fails to follow
through with this logic, imputing malice to people like me who are concerned
about the future of their own people in societies where they are becoming
minorities surrounded by groups that, like Jews, harbor deep historically
conditioned hatreds toward them. It is quite an extraordinary omission and lapse
in consistency by Derbyshire. In the end, the logic is as follows: Jews have
made wonderful contributions to civilization. Therefore, non-Jews should welcome
Jewish efforts to advance their interests even when they conflict with their
own. As Derbyshire himself says in another context, the only thing to say of
those who voice such sentiments is what Shakespeare's Bianca would have said:
"The more fool they."
Derbyshire lives in a sort of childlike world in which Jewish interests are
legitimate and where Jewish attempts to pursue their interests, though they may
occasionally be irritating, are not really a cause for concern much less malice.
It doesn't require an evolutionary theory to realize that good, reasonable
people can have conflicts of interest, and that the results of conflicts of
interest can be devastating to the side that loses. My view is that modern
evolutionary theory gives us a powerful way of understanding why this must be
so. Anti-Semites have often portrayed Jews as the embodiment of evil. Consistent
with evolutionary theory, however, I have documented that Jews tend to be highly
intelligent, good parents, and patriots fighting to preserve their people and
extend their people's power and influence -- sometimes at the expense of the
interests of other peoples. Many organized groups of Jews have pursued such
conservative goals by resisting other groups and behaving aggressively against
them. By the same logic, it is legitimate for non-Jews to defend their own
ethnic interests. Is this a formula for perpetual conflict? Hopefully not, but
the only hope for a just resolution is to recognize the nature of the situation
and agree on terms, not to deny the importance of one's own interests.
Derbyshire's review begins with a chilling account of how critics of Jews simply
disappear from sight -- their professional horizons diminished if not entirely
ended. One thinks of people like Joe Sobran, William Cash,5 and a host of
politicians who have had the temerity to criticize Israel or American support
for Israel, or who have called attention to Jewish power and influence in
particular areas. Jewish groups have made any critical discussion of Jewish
issues off limits, and that's vitally important because, yes, Jews are a very
powerful group. What Derbyshire refers to as Jewish "world-perfecting idealism"
is very much with us and is still wreaking havoc in the modern world, everywhere
from the erection of a multi-cultural police state in the United States -- the
origins of which are the general topic of The Culture of Critique -- to the
current war for the "liberation" and "democratization" of Iraq, a war that is
being fomented by Jewish neo-conservative activists based in the Bush
administration, congressional lobbying organizations, and the media.6 As with
other examples of Jewish idealism, the destruction of Iraq is shrouded in a
lofty moral idealism aimed ultimately at securing a rather obvious Jewish ethnic
goal -- Israeli hegemony throughout the Middle East. That these latest examples
of Jewish "world perfecting idealism" also happen to conform rather obviously to
Jewish ethnic interests should be of concern to all non-Jews.
Derbyshire dismisses evolutionary psychology as a passing fad, and asks,
sarcastically, if in criticizing evolutionary psychology, he is pursuing his own
evolutionary goals. Well, maybe. Most of what we humans do is connected only
distantly to evolutionary goals. For example, quite a few evolutionary
psychologists propose an evolved goal of social status based on commonly
accepted standards of scientific evidence,7 but we are very flexible in how we
achieve such goals. And it does occur to me that writing critiques of
evolutionary psychology and dismissing those who criticize Jews might be one way
to attain social status among the predominantly Jewish neo-conservative elite
that dominates so much of the conservative media.
Derbyshire complains about my statement that, "The human mind was not designed
to seek truth but rather to attain evolutionary goals." I was merely expressing
a principle of evolutionary biology that has been of fundamental importance
since the revolution inaugurated by G. C. Williams and culminating in E. O.
Wilson's synthesis: Organisms are not designed to communicate truthfully with
others but to persuade them -- to manipulate them to serve their interests. We
should expect deception and self-deception to be at the very heart of
interactions among organisms. This is the subtext of The Culture of Critique:
The beguilingly irresistible theories masking an ethnic agenda. I too was once
enthralled by psychoanalysis and Marxism.
Derbyshire supposes that the idea of a group evolutionary strategy may be
"complete nonsense." Freed of technical jargon, a group evolutionary strategy
refers to the ways people structure groups in order to get on in the world -- to
attain group goals such regulating their own members (e.g., preventing them from
defecting, promoting cooperation with ingroup members, promoting eugenic
marriages) and dealing with outsiders (e.g., having different ethical standards
for ingroup versus outgroup). I discuss how Jews accomplished these tasks in
traditional societies in my book, A People That Shall Dwell Alone: Judaism as a
Group Evolutionary Strategy, and I recently applied this sort of analysis to
several other groups, including the Overseas Chinese, in the paperback version
of that book.8 There are several other good sources, including David Sloan
Wilson's Darwin's Cathedral,9 where, among other examples, the early Christian
Church is described as a non-ethnic form of Judaism that was adaptive at the
level of the group in navigating the uncertainties of the ancient world.
My analysis describes the powerful social and psychological forces that have
maintained Jewish group loyalty. Derbyshire asks, "From an evolutionary point of
view, would not the optimum strategy for almost any European Jew at almost any
point from AD 79 to AD 1800 or so have been conversion to Christianity?" But the
question is not whether an omniscient Jew in the Middle Ages would choose to
remain a Jew, but what forces have kept Jewish groups together over the
centuries while other groups have been assimilated or otherwise disappeared.
Even if individual Jews would have been better off defecting (some did!), the
vast majority did not because of sanctions against relatives who remained Jews,
because of powerful, psychologically salient ethnic and kinship ties to other
Jews, because of the high level of social and material support available in
Jewish communities, because of hostility toward Jews emanating from the wider
society, and probably because, despite periodic troubles, Jews were remarkably
successful in many times and places, including the medieval period.
Despite Derbyshire's claim, it is simply not the case that Jews have only been
successful since "emancipation." Jews have very frequently achieved powerful
positions: ancient Alexandria and the late Roman Empire; parts of Western Europe
during the Middle Ages prior to the expulsions of Jews from most of Western
Europe; the Turkish Empire after the fall of the Byzantine Christians and many
other places where Jews served alien ruling elites, especially in the Muslim
world (e.g., Spain after the Muslim conquest); Christian Spain beginning at
least by the late 14th century and extending well into the period of the
Inquisition; Poland and other areas of Eastern Europe beginning in the early
modern period and extending into the 20th century.10 Perhaps most notably, the
elite status of Jews in the Soviet Union had little or nothing to do with the
opportunities made available by the Enlightenment, since the Enlightenment had
little impact on the Russian Empire.
Group strategies don't need outgroups. The main thing is that there is
group-level organization that regulates individual behavior to conform to group
goals. Derbyshire mentions Chinese eugenics, but as important as eugenics may be
for understanding the Chinese, it does not necessarily imply a group
evolutionary strategy. The most obvious explanation is that the emperor wanted
the more intelligent people to run the civil service, and, given the Chinese
practice of polygyny and the benefits of high social status, this had a eugenic
effect. But this can be easily explained by self-interest on the part of
everyone involved; no need to invoke the effects of group structure on
individual behavior. On the other hand, in the recent paperback edition of A
People that Shall Dwell Alone, I argue that the Overseas Chinese qualify as a
group strategy because they live as an organized group among outgroups; they
have a consciousness of themselves as being of a different ethnic group than
their hosts, they are internally organized (but not nearly so tightly as
traditional Jewish communities), and they cooperate in economic enterprises.
Derbyshire rejects my argument that without Jewish involvement, the Bolshevik
Revolution and its horrific aftermath would not have happened. The percentage of
Jews in early Bolshevik Party congresses is irrelevant to this issue. The
questions I ask are: Would the Revolution have occurred without the key
involvement of a relatively small number of very talented Jews like Trotsky,
Kamenev, Zinoviev, and Uritsky who played such prominent roles in the Bolshevik
Revolution and the early Soviet government? (In the same way, one can reasonably
ask whether the neo-conservative revolution in U.S. foreign policy would have
happened without the critical contributions of Richard Perle, William Kristol,
Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, and David Wurmser, to name only
some of the most prominent Jews involved. Small numbers of highly talented,
closely cooperating people can have enormous influence.) Would the Revolution
have been sustainable in its early stages without the involvement of large
sections of the Jewish community who came to staff the Soviet bureaucracy, most
notably the Secret Police? Were the most powerful non-Jews accurately described
as philo-Semites'"Jewified non-Jews," to use Albert S. Lindemann's term?11 Were
Jews an elite group in the Soviet Union at least until anti-Jewish attitudes
began to be government policy after World War II? Did Jewish Communists and
other leftists in the Soviet Union and elsewhere identify as Jews? I see no
reason to change my views on these issues as a result of Derbyshire's comments.
Similarly, Derbyshire states that Jews "were not the sole, nor even the prime,
movers in [the] downfall" of European dominance in the U.S. without providing a
concrete alternative. I have never stated that Jewish intellectual movements and
interest groups were the sole force, but I do indeed maintain that they were by
far the most important. On the critical topic of immigration, there simply was
no other force that energetically pursued the goal of multi-ethnic immigration
in the period prior to 1965 apart from Jewish organizations or organizations
composed partly of non-Jews that were funded, organized and staffed by Jews.12
And beyond the transformations being wrought by the sea change in immigration
policy, I think it inconceivable that the current regime of what Derbyshire
terms "racial guilt, shame, apology, and recompense, accompanied by heroic
efforts at social engineering ('affirmative action')" could have been built
without the influence of the intellectual and political movements described in
The Culture of Critique. As Derbyshire notes, this regime is inherently far less
stable than what went before, and one can only shudder at what the future holds
throughout the Western world.
It is always difficult to imagine that 3% of the population could have such
enormous influence on culture and public policy, but successful lobbying efforts
by small, committed special interests are commonplace in American politics, not
only among ethnic lobbies but among business interests, farming groups, unions,
professional organizations, and even gun enthusiasts. An obvious example is U.S.
policy in the Middle East. Here we have a record of an incredibly effective,
well-funded, intensive lobbying effort carried out over several decades. The
historical evidence reviewed in Chapter 7 of The Culture of Critique shows that
Jewish organizations carried out a similar campaign in an effort to alter U.S.
immigration laws and that they were by far the most important force in changing
these laws, often taking pride in the part they played.
Derbyshire does not think it hypocritical for Jews to promote multiculturalism
in the U.S. while wishing to maintain Jewish ethnic dominance in Israel. The
hypocrisy comes from the fact that, as I note in Chapter 8 of The Culture of
Critique, the Jewish advocacy of Israel as a Jewish ethnostate coincided with a
major effort by Jewish organizations and Jewish-dominated intellectual and
political movements to supplant the prevailing view of the United States as a
European Christian civilization with a European ethnic base. Especially
hypocritical is that the disestablishment of the European basis of American
identity was performed with appeal to universalist Enlightenment ideals of
justice and individual rights, while it pathologized the ethnocultural basis of
American civilization that had become an important foundation of American
identity by the early decades of the 20th century. Although it is common for
defenders of Israel to describe Israel as a democracy based on Western political
ideals, I have yet to see any important Jewish organization or intellectual
movement pathologize the ethnic basis of Israeli society or challenge the many
ways in which Jewish ethnic interests are officially recognized in Israeli law
and custom (e.g., the Law of Return). Indeed, the American Jewish community has
been complicit in the ongoing ethnic warfare in the Middle East that has
resulted in the dispossession, degradation, and large-scale murder of the
Palestinians.
Derbyshire accuses me of being one of those who would prefer "a return to the
older dispensation" -- the older cultural and ethnic mix characteristic of the
United States until the changes inaugurated in the last 35 years. I plead guilty
to this charge. That regime was stable and it was good for people like me (and
Derbyshire), and even for the American Jewish community who saw the modest,
low-profile, non-violent character of anti-Jewish attitudes that were fairly
common prior to World War II dwindle to irrelevance in the postwar period.
Nothing wrong with that.
The dispossession of Europeans is the ultimate defeat -- an evolutionary event
of catastrophic proportions for people of European descent. Whatever the
contributions of Jewish "entrepreneurs, jurists, philanthropists, entertainers,
publishers, and legions upon legions of scholars," they could never make up for
this cataclysmic loss and for the political instability and chronic ethnic
tensions that have been unleashed by the Jewish intellectual and political
movements discussed in The Culture of Critique. Further, as The Culture of
Critique attempts to document, a very high percentage of the Jewish contribution
to culture has been used to advance Jewish ethnic interests. The only exceptions
are advances in technology and basic science, but does anyone seriously suppose
that technological advances like the atomic bomb mentioned by Derbyshire would
never have been discovered without Jews? (Germany, certainly, was very close.)
It may be that these advances would have taken longer, but there is no question
that they would have happened without Jews. After all, with a mean IQ of 100 and
far larger numbers, European populations undoubtedly have far more individuals
of the requisite IQ to make the stupendous contributions to culture that have
occurred in recent centuries.
Western cultures have produced a long list of ethnically European geniuses in
every field of science and art, from Plato and Aristotle down to the present.
Pity the poor English who expelled the Jews in the Middle Ages and were thus
restricted to the meager cultural contributions of Chaucer, Milton, Shakespeare,
Newton, and Darwin even as they vastly expanded their numbers and the territory
controlled by their people. Can anyone seriously suppose that the West would be
unable to produce a brilliant high culture without Jews or that the Jewish
contribution is of irreplaceable value? And recall that my argument in The
Culture of Critique is that many of the most important Jewish contributions to
culture were facilitated not only by high IQ but by closely cooperating,
mutually reinforcing groups of Jews who were centered around charismatic leaders
and excluded dissenters. In other words, their accomplishments are due in large
part to the fundamental cultural forms of Judaism as a group evolutionary
strategy, not to any inherent worth in what was produced. The sorry records of
psychoanalysis, Boasian anthropology, Marxism, and the Frankfurt School are far
more a testimony to Jewish identity and group cohesion than they are to anything
resembling science.
Derbyshire acknowledges that the Jewish contributions to culture discussed in
The Culture of Critique have been made with an eye to advancing Jewish ethnic
interests. This is certainly a very sizeable portion of the entire Jewish
contribution to culture during the period I discuss, but advancing Jewish
interests by contributing to culture goes far beyond these movements. As I
attempt to show in the preface to the recent paperback edition of The Culture of
Critique , Jewish contributions to entertainment and the media have often had
the function of promoting positive images of Judaism and multi-culturalism and
negative images of Christianity and European ethnic interests and
identification. Derbyshire describes his love of songs like White Christmas that
have come to define how Christmas is experienced. However, such songs are also
part of the Kulturkampf in which Christmas has been converted into a secular and
commercialized event; as such it represents a kind of cultural subversion. As
Philip Roth noted, "God gave Moses the Ten Commandments and then he gave Irving
Berlin Easter Parade and White Christmas, the two holidays that celebrate the
divinity of Christ ... and what does Irving Berlin brilliantly do? He de-Christs
them both! Easter turns into a fashion show and Christmas into a holiday about
snow." 13 In recent decades, a major thrust of Jewish influence on culture has
been the promotion of the Holocaust as the fundamental moral touchstone and
intellectual paradigm of the contemporary Western world. (I recently came across
a reference stating that there have been over 170 Holocaust films since 1989.14)
Jewish entrepreneurs and philanthropists may have indeed contributed to economic
growth, but they have also lavishly funded Jewish causes -- causes that
typically oppose the ethnic interests of European Americans. Jews constitute
more than a quarter of the people on the Forbes Magazine list of the richest
four hundred Americans, 45% of the top 40 richest Americans, and one-third of
all American multimillionaires.15The beneficiaries of this wealth include 4000
foundations controlled by Jews and 300 national Jewish organizations, the latter
with a combined budget estimated in the range of $6 billion -- a sum greater
than the gross national product of half the members of the United Nations.
Jewish entrepreneurs and philanthropists like hedge-fund manager Michael
Steinhardt, Charles and Edgar Bronfman (co-chairs of the Seagram Company), bingo
parlor magnate Irving Moskowitz (who funds the settler movement in Israel), the
notorious Marc Rich (who funds Birthright Israel, a program aimed at raising
Jewish consciousness), George Soros (who funds pro-immigration organizations in
the United States and in a variety of European countries), film maker Steven
Spielberg (head of the Shoah and Righteous Persons foundations), Leslie Wexner
(owner of the Limited and Victoria's Secret), Laurence Tisch (chairman of the
Loews Corporation), Charles Schusterman (owner of an oil-and-gas business in
Tulsa), and Mort Mandel of Cleveland (former distributor of electronics parts)
have used their money to advance Jewish causes such as Israel and increasing
Jewish consciousness and commitment among Jews.16 Wealthy Jews are by far the
largest contributors to the Democratic Party and are very significant
contributors to the Republican party,17 ensuring that Jewish interests will be
heeded throughout the U.S. political spectrum. Whether Jewish success in
business has had a measurable effect on economic growth is difficult to know.
What we do know is that it has come with an enormous cost to the ethnic
interests of European Americans.
In concluding, I call attention to the challenge for evolutionary psychology in
trying to understand the complete lack of ethnic identification of so many elite
Europeans such as John Derbyshire. He is only the tip of a massive iceberg. I
have sketched a theory of why this might be in the Preface to the paperback
edition of The Culture of Critique: a relatively weak sense of ethnocentrism
resulting from our European evolutionary past combined with the influence of the
Jewish intellectual and political movements I describe and its amplification in
the media; the powerful opprobrium and, increasingly, police state controls that
have become attached to criticism of Jews and Israel; and the heady inducements
to conform to the interests and views of a powerful minority. Having read
Derbyshire's account of his childhood, one might add to the model two more
variables: socialization in a very benign Jewish milieu and deep reverence for
the cultural accomplishments of Jews. In the end, Derbyshire is the epitome of
that sad and paradoxical figure, the Judaized intellectual discussed in The
Culture of Critique for whom Jewish attitudes and interests, Jewish likes and
dislikes, now constitute the culture of the West, internalized by Jews and
non-Jews alike. It is a mindset that is leading Europeans directly to the fate
of the Israelites who stray from God's way as described in Deuteronomy (28:62):
"And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for
multitude."
Endnotes
1. J. Derbyshire, The Marx of the Anti-Semites, The American Conservative, March
10, 2003.
2. Please send correspondence to Kevin MacDonald; Information on my books can be
obtained here.
3. J. Derbyshire: The Jews and I, National Review Online, April 10, 2001.
4. Ibid. See also Derbyshire's article, "Is Anti-Semitism Dead," National Review
Online, August 21, 2000.
5. Derbyshire (ibid.) is critical of the response to the "thoughtful and
entirely unthreatening way" in which William Cash described
the dominance of Jews like Steven Spielberg, David Geffen, and Jeffrey
Katzenberg in Hollywood. To the amazement of the Spectator's editor (who was
Dominic Lawson -- Jew!) this innocuous article caused a storm of outrage in the
U.S.A. The young author, William Cash, was denounced from the pulpits of
political correctness -- that is, from the Op-Ed pages of the Los Angeles Times
and the New York Times. Prominent American Jews like Leon Wieseltier went into
high-hysterical mode, denouncing Cash as the new Julius Streicher and so on. The
storm went on for weeks, led by a howling mob of buffoons -- Barbra Streisand,
for example -- who had certainly never read, nor probably even heard of the
Spectator up to that point. (I have been reading it for 30 years, and have also
written for it.) It was a display of arrogance, cruelty, ignorance, stupidity,
and sheer bad manners by rich and powerful people towards a harmless, helpless
young writer, and the Jews who whipped up this preposterous storm should all be
thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
6. The war against Iraq is far too important to avoid a complete public
discussion of the motives of all of those who are pushing for this war,
including neoconservative Jews intent on furthering Israeli interests in the
Middle East. Jews must never be represented as monolithic, but we must have ways
of discussing Jewish influence'talking about specific groups of Jews, their
Jewish identity, and their actual influence on public affairs, as we do with
other ethnic groups. There is no question that neoconservative Jews in the Bush
administration are having an enormous influence on public policy and that their
motives are to aid Israel. For example, Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and
Douglas Feith'all present employees of the U.S. Defense Department'signed the
1996 document 'Securing the Realm' which advocated removing Saddam as a goal of
Israeli foreign policy. This document was prepared for an Israeli foreign policy
think tank (Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies) and
presented to the Israeli government. Deputy Undersecretary of Defense Paul
Wolfowitz is a protégé of Perle and has long advocated removing the Iraqi
leadership. He has close personal and family ties to Israel (B. Keller, The
Sunshine Warrior. New York Times Magazine, September 23, 2002). The
neoconservative influence is increased because virtually the entire organized
Jewish community (but certainly not all American Jews) has become pro-Likud. The
Likud Party, led by Ariel Sharon, is strongly in favor of a U.S.-led war against
Iraq. Neoconservatives have ready access to key sectors of the U.S. media (The
Weekly Standard, The Wall Street Journal, Fox News). For example, Bill Kristol
is editor of The Weekly Standard. He is also a Fox News political analyst, and
he is Chairman of the Project for a New American Century. Kristol has a long
record of opposing the current Iraqi regime and is an ardent supporter of Israel
(see, e.g., the PNC's letter to President Clinton, dated January 26, 1998). See
also: 1.) Whose War? by Patrick J. Buchanan 2.) Practice to Deceive by Joshua
Marshall 3.) The Men From JINSA and CSP by Jason Vest 4.) Israel's Role: The
'Elephant' They're Talking About By Ami Eden 5.) A Rose By Another Other Name:
The Bush Administration's Dual Loyalties, by Kathleen and Bill Christison 6.)
The Israel lobby, by Michael Lind
7. E.g., J. Barkow (1989). Darwin, Sex, and Status: Biological Perspectives on
Mind and Culture. Toronto: University of Toronto Press; Buss, D. (1999).
Evolutionary Psychology. Boston: Allyn & Bacon; MacDonald, K. B. (1998).
Evolution, Culture, and the Five-Factor Model. Journal of Cross-Cultural
Psychology 29 , 119-149.
8. K. MacDonald, A People That Shall Dwell Alone: Judaism as a Group
Evolutionary Strategy, with Diaspora Peoples. Lincoln, NE: iUniverse Books,
2002. See also my review of D. S. Wilson's Darwin's Cathedral.
9. D. S. Wilson, Darwin's Cathedral. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2002.
See also: Hilton, A. & Obermeyer, G. (1999). Evolutionary strategies of
religious groups: Kinship and altruism, cultural segregation and migration in
early and modern Anabaptist communities in Europe and America. Paper presented
at a conference, sponsored by the Royal Institute for Interfaith Studies
(Jordan), on: Migration and Culture Contact: patterns of confrontation and
coexistence in a changing world. October 11-15, 1999, The Meridien Hotel, Amman;
Miele, F. (2000). To Populate is to Rule: Review of The Cousins' Wars by Kevin
Phillips. Population and Environment. 21 (3) 347-358.
10. See K. MacDonald, Separation and Its Discontents: Toward an Evolutionary
Theory of Anti-Semitism. Westport, CT: Praeger, 1998. (Available from the
author.)
11. A. S. Lindemann, Esau's Tears: Modern Anti-Semitism and the Rise of the
Jews. New York: Cambridge University Press, 1997, p. 433. Lindemann notes that
the top non-Jews in the Bolshevik movement, including Lenin and Dzerzhinsky
(Head of the Cheka [Secret Police]), might be termed 'jewified non-Jews' -- 'a
term, freed of its ugly connotations, [that] might be used to underline an often
overlooked point: Even in Russia there were some non-Jews, whether Bolsheviks or
not, who respected Jews, praised them abundantly, imitated them, cared about
their welfare, and established intimate friendships or romantic liaisons with
them.'
12. I recently became aware of the following in Hugh Davis Graham's Collision
Course: The Strange Convergence of Affirmative Action and Immigration Policy in
America (New York, Oxford University Press, 2002, pp. 56-57):
Most important for the content of immigration reform [i.e., loosening], the
driving force at the core of the movement, reaching back to the 1920s, were
Jewish organizations long active in opposing racial and ethnic quotas. These
included the American Jewish Congress, the American Jewish Committee, the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, and the American Federation of Jews from
Eastern Europe. Jewish members of the Congress, particularly representatives
from New York and Chicago, had maintained steady but largely ineffective
pressure against the national origins quotas since the 1920s.... Following the
shock of the Holocaust, Jewish leaders had been especially active in Washington
in furthering immigration reform. To the public, the most visible evidence of
the immigration reform drive was played by Jewish legislative leaders, such as
Representative Celler and Senator Jacob Javits of New York. Less visible, but
equally important, were the efforts of key advisers on presidential and agency
staffs. These included senior policy advisers such as Julius Edelson and Harry
Rosenfield in the Truman administration, Maxwell Rabb in the Eisenhower White
House, and presidential aide Myer Feldman, assistant secretary of state Abba
Schwartz, and deputy attorney general Norbert Schlei in the Kennedy-Johnson
administration. 13. In: J. Rosen. White Christmas: The Story of a Song. London:
4th Estate (A Division of HarperCollinsPublishers), 2002, p. 157. Rosen mentions
"the sheer chutzpah that compelled a refugee from a pogrom-scourged corner of
Siberia ... to write a Christmas anthem that buried all traces of the holiday's
Christian origins beneath three feet of driven snow" (pp. 164-165.)
14. Sterritt, D. The one serious subject Hollywood doesn't avoid. The Christian
Science Monitor, November 22, 2002.
15. Silbiger, S. (2000). The Jewish Phenomenon : Seven Keys to the Enduring
Wealth of a People. Atlanta, GA: Longstreet Press.
16. Goldberg, J. J. (1996). Jewish Power: Inside the American Jewish
Establishment. Reading, MA: Addison-Wesley; M. Massing, Should Jews be
parochial? The American Prospect.
17. Lipset, S. M., & Raab, E. (1995). Jews and the New American Scene.
Cambridge: Harvard University Press.
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From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:30pm(PDT)
Subject: POLL at the UNITED 93 Message Board
I've posted this POLL onto the UNITED 93 Message Board
Go vote for the FACTS.
Which Conspiracy Theory Do You Believe?
19 Arabs with boxcutter knives Got Lucky.
9/11 was an "inside job" planned and executed by a
faction within the government.
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From: "Chris Bell" somebigguy88@yahoo.com
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:01pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: The UNITED 93 Message Boards Packed With TRUTH (must see)
Hi there, I stole your wording, hope you don't mind:
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/04/911-truth-action-items.html
Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net> wrote: The UNITED 93 Message Boards are up and packed
with the TRUTH. I suggest you see for yourself.
BACKFIRE!
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From: "JIM" justpasenthru2012@att.net
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:21pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: How Charlie Sheen Could Have Done Better
I agree. Photos would have helped. Sheen did a great job. He MUST
have been getting too close to the truth because the "swift-boating" of
Sheen has begun in earnest. KKKarl Rove is a one-trick pony and
Americans fall for it every time.
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From: "Bugs" brawny@twlakes.net
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:11pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: can you say?
Help us buddy..
bugs
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From: Kevin Hammond
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] can you say?
Bush is NOT running this country. WAKE UP! He is controlled by the very same vermin that control 99 percent of congeess. If people dont start realizing this we are ALL inn a SHITLOAD of trouble! Even a CURSORY examination will show this to be the case. PLEASE do some research!
Bugs <brawny@twlakes.net> wrote:
Here's how BUSH runs the country: ... He's making tones of money under the table, He's in charge, the people around him are afraid of him, and everything gets shredded!
Can you say ENRON
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From: "mojo_j_2000" mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:47pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Thermite On WTC Core Columns
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "mojo_j_2000" <mojo_j_2000@...>
wrote:
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> Thermite On WTC Core Columns - Photo
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Message 7
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32pm(PDT)
Subject: Fw: More top brass blast Rumsfeld -- he's protected by a handpicked
From: Puma Claw
April 25, 2006
More top brass blast Rumsfeld
Two retired generals and an admiral denounce his leadership -- and say he's protected by a handpicked ring of high-ranking yes men.
By Mark Follman
April 25, 2006 | In mid-April, under fire from a half-dozen retired U.S. generals for broad failures in Iraq, the Bush White House dispatched Donald Rumsfeld to the front lines of the American heartland. The secretary of defense appeared on talk radio host Rush Limbaugh's nationally syndicated show to fight back against the decorated military commanders who called for his resignation.
"The sharper the criticism comes, sometimes the sharper the defense comes from people who don't agree with the critics," Rumsfeld told Limbaugh during the April 17 interview. He dismissed the barrage of reproach, suggesting that "the same kinds of criticism" had come and gone during all major American wars, from the Revolutionary War to Vietnam. "This, too, will pass," Rumsfeld said.
But the sharp disapproval aired by the retired generals is, by many counts, extraordinary. Among the charges leveled at Rumsfeld was Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton's conclusion that the defense secretary was "incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically, and is far more than anyone responsible for what has happened to our important mission in Iraq." Maj. Gen. John Batiste, who led the 1st Infantry Division there, said he "served under a secretary of Defense who didn't understand leadership, who was abusive, who was arrogant, who didn't build a strong team." Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack, the former commander of the elite 82nd Airborne Division in Iraq, stressed that culpability for abuses at Abu Ghraib prison leads "directly back to Secretary Rumsfeld."
In interviews with Salon, several retired military commanders said that the unusual revolt against Rumsfeld is both well-founded and increasingly pervasive. From the broad strategic problems in Iraq to Rumsfeld's role in the calamity of sanctioned prisoner abuse, they say the case for his resignation is indisputable, and has the support of many other retired senior officers. One retired commander suggested that the generals' censure of Rumsfeld is especially important because the defense secretary has achieved unprecedented control over selecting the top brass who surround him at the Pentagon.
"Considering the level at which these generals operated, the things they've been saying are a real indictment," said Brig. Gen. David R. Irvine, an Army Reserve strategic intelligence officer who taught prisoner interrogation and military law for 18 years at the Sixth Army Intelligence School before retiring in 2002. "It's not the responsibility of military commanders to decide when the nation goes to war. But these guys are experts -- some of them have direct experience executing the war plans that Rumsfeld developed. So when they say there are serious problems, I would think that Congress and the White House ought to pay attention.
"I don't think I've seen anything like it in my 40 years of service," Irvine added. "Over the last several months I've had conversations with dozens of retired flag officers -- one, two, three stars. I have yet to talk to anyone who is a Rumsfeld fan. The level of disapproval is significant."
At Rumsfeld's side during a press conference last week, Gen. Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, defended the man who appointed him. Pace said that the top brass had "multiple opportunities" to express their views, but that final decisions on military matters were Rumsfeld's. "And when a decision's made by the secretary of defense," Pace said, "unless it's illegal or immoral, we go on about doing what we've been told to do."
Others denied there was rising discontent in the ranks, and suggested that it was out of line for the generals to criticize the head of the Pentagon.
Rear Adm. John D. Hutson, the former judge advocate general of the Navy, believes the criticisms of Rumsfeld by the retired generals are not only appropriate, but necessary. "The captain goes down with the ship. He's in charge, and he's held accountable. This is a proper and important military tradition," said Hutson, who retired from service in 2000 and is now the president and dean of Franklin Pierce Law Center in Concord, N.H. "The lack of accountability up the chain of command has bothered a lot of people for a long time. Frankly, I think this is the gag reflex kicking in. At some point things get bad enough that you have to have a change."
Hutson sees a "spontaneous combustion" behind the firestorm of criticism, rather than a coordinated attack by the generals on Rumsfeld. "A number of leaders seem to be coming to the same conclusions at the same time about how poorly the war is going," he said. "We're allocating precious assets to it that are needed elsewhere, and there is no clear end in sight. In some sense, this is even more fundamental than the torture issue, where a lot of people have had concerns for a long time now. This is about how the whole war is being waged. This war wasn't planned right, and it hasn't been executed right"
Irvine first called for Rumsfeld's resignation two years ago after the ghastly images from Abu Ghraib surfaced. Though much of the retired generals' criticism this month focused on the strategic quagmire in Iraq, he believes prisoner abuse remains at the heart of the battle against Rumsfeld.
"I sense a great deal of distress among senior military officers over what's happened with prisoner treatment," Irvine said. "I believe the abuse is playing a significant part in how these generals are feeling and why they're speaking out. There's an understanding that whatever we're doing at Guantánamo and elsewhere constitutes license for others to do to us when our soldiers are taken prisoner in the future. There's the realization that we've pretty much trashed the high ground along with the Geneva Conventions."
On April 14, Salon revealed that Rumsfeld was personally involved in directing the harsh interrogation of a prisoner at Guantánamo Bay, according to a sworn statement by an Army lieutenant general who investigated prisoner abuse at the U.S. base in Cuba.
Other critics note that the Pentagon has controlled all of the investigations to date into prisoner abuse.
"It's extremely difficult to believe that what happened at Guantánamo and Bagram and Abu Ghraib is all coincidental," said retired Brig. Gen. Jim Cullen, who served as the chief judge (IMA) of the U.S. Army Court of Criminal Appeals. "We need a much more extensive investigation into what went wrong and who at the top was responsible. With Rumsfeld continuing at the top that's not possible."
Cullen, who currently practices law in New York, has provided counsel in a lawsuit against Rumsfeld on behalf of prisoners abused in U.S custody, and is one of 22 high-level retired military leaders who have urged the Bush administration to ban torture unequivocally.
"Personally, I don't believe the torture memos originated with Rumsfeld, but with Vice President Cheney and his top aides," Cullen said. "But Rumsfeld was quite willing to carry out those policies with enthusiasm. They were offensive to military culture -- a departure from the rule of law at the very core of military discipline. When you compromise that discipline and permit wrongdoing in the field, you have lost control of your forces, and you have compromised the mission."
The level of disapproval among active-duty commanders is more difficult to gauge. Direct criticism of one's superiors is a punishable offense under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. And under the current leadership, even dissenting views on strategy or policy can exact a heavy price.
"Everyone knows what happened to Eric Shinseki," said Irvine, referring to the Army general who resigned from the military in 2003 after clashing with Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz over the number of troops needed for Iraq.
There is another reason active-duty commanders may be less likely to dissent these days, according to Irvine. "All of the people currently in positions at the two-, three- and four-star level have been extensively interviewed and handpicked by Rumsfeld. Some people would say there's nothing unusual about that, but I think there is." Historically, Irvine said, the top generals are selected by military promotion boards. "Yes, they are political positions, and the defense secretary has final say in the appointment. But in the past there has been more deference to the boards. I don't know that there has been this level of politicization of the generals' officer corps under any prior administration."
At least for now, the White House has made it clear that Rumsfeld will remain in his post. During an April 18 press conference in the White House Rose Garden, President Bush reminded the nation, "I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the secretary of defense."
His tenure has caused some unusual fallout.
"John Batiste is one very impressive commander," said Irvine. "It was particularly striking that he turned down a third star because he no longer wanted to work under Rumsfeld. There are not many guys in that position, and I have great respect for what he did."
Marine Lt. Gen. Greg Newbold, the Pentagon's former top operations officer, said recently that in the run-up to Iraq he raised his objections internally and then retired, in part out of opposition to the war -- and that he regretted the possibility that he hadn't done enough to stop it. His rebuke of Rumsfeld in Time magazine this month flowed in part from his view that "The cost of flawed leadership continues to be paid in blood."
Hutson, the former head judge advocate general of the Navy, said he is troubled by the status quo. "I have never seen Rumsfeld demonstrate self-awareness or the ability to admit mistakes," he said. "Unfortunately, I think that means we can expect things to go the same from here, with no end in sight."
"In a way, the response from the White House is understandable," said Irvine. "Iraq is President Bush's war. If the criticism of Rumsfeld is seen as valid, then responsibility for what has happened doesn't stop at Rumsfeld's desk. It goes across the Potomac."
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/04/25/rumsfeld/
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!
"More people will believe a big lie than a little one"
- Adolph Hitler, ca 1939 -
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Message 8
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:56pm(PDT)
Subject: Paul Craig Roberts: Wars, Debt and Outsourcing -- The World is Unit
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12843.htm
Wars, Debt and Outsourcing
The World is Uniting Against the Bush Imperium
By Paul Craig Roberts
04/25/06 -- -- Is the United States a superpower? I think not. Consider
these facts:
The financial position of the US has declined dramatically. The US is
heavily indebted, both government and consumers. The US trade deficit
both in absolute size and as a percentage of GDP is unprecedented,
reaching more than $800 billion in 2005 and accumulating to $4.5
trillion since 1990. With US job growth falling behind population growth
and with no growth in consumer real incomes, the US economy is driven by
expanding consumer debt. Saving rates are low or negative.
The federal budget is deep in the red, adding to America's dependency on
debt. The US cannot even go to war unless foreigners are willing to
finance it.
Our biggest bankers are China and Japan, both of whom could cause the US
serious financial problems if they wished. A country whose financial
affairs are in the hands of foreigners is not a superpower.
The US is heavily dependent on imports for manufactured goods, including
advanced technology products. In 2005 US dependency (in dollar amounts)
on imported manufactured goods was twice as large as US dependency on
imported oil. In the 21st century the US has experienced a rapid
increase in dependency on imports of advanced technology products. A
country dependent on foreigners for manufactures and advanced technology
products is not a superpower.
Because of jobs offshoring and illegal immigration, US consumers create
jobs for foreigners, not for Americans. Bureau of Labor Statistics jobs
reports document the loss of manufacturing jobs and the inability of the
US economy to create jobs in categories other than domestic "hands on"
services. According to a March 2006 report from the Center for
Immigration Studies, most of these jobs are going to immigrants:
"Between March 2000 and March 2005 only 9 percent of the net increase in
jobs for adults (18 to 64) went to natives. This is striking because
natives accounted for 61 percent of the net increase in the overall size
of the 18 to 64 year old population."
A country that cannot create jobs for its native born population is not
a superpower.
In an interview in the April 17 Manufacturing & Technology News, former
TCI and Global Crossing CEO Leo Hindery said that the incentives of
globalization have disconnected US corporations from US interests. "No
economy," Hindery said, "can survive the offshoring of both
manufacturing and services concurrently. In fact, no society can even
take excessive offshoring of manufacturing alone." According to Hindery,
offshoring serves the short-term interests of shareholders and executive
pay at the long-term expense of US economic strength.
Hindery notes that in 1981 the Business Roundtable defined its
constituency as employees, shareholders, community, customers, and the
nation." Today the constituency is quarterly earnings. A country whose
business class has no sense of the nation is not a superpower.
By launching a war of aggression on the basis of lies and fabricated
"intelligence," the Bush regime violated the Nuremberg standard
established by the US and international law. Extensive civilian
casualties and infrastructure destruction in Iraq, along with the
torture of detainees in concentration camps and an ever-changing excuse
for the war have destroyed the soft power and moral leadership that
provided the diplomatic foundation for America's superpower status. A
country that is no longer respected or trusted and which promises yet
more war isolates itself from cooperation from the rest of the world. An
isolated country is not a superpower.
A country that fears small, distant countries to such an extent that it
utilizes military in place of diplomatic means is not a superpower. The
entire world knows that the US is not a superpower when its entire
available military force is tied down by a small lightly armed
insurgency drawn from a Sunni population of a mere 5 million people.
Neoconservatives think the US is a superpower because of its military
weapons and nuclear missiles. However, as the Iraqi resistance has
demonstrated, America's superior military firepower is not enough to
prevail in fourth generation warfare. The Bush regime has reached this
conclusion itself, which is why it increasing speaks of attacking Iran
with nuclear weapons.
The US is the only country to have used nuclear weapons against an
opponent. If six decades after nuking Japan the US again resorts to the
use of nuclear weapons, it will establish itself as a pariah, war
criminal state under the control of insane people.
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Message 9
From: "janet phelan" jcphelan10@yahoo.com
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:58pm(PDT)
Subject: Greg Syzmanski interviews J. Fields re: Susan Lindauer
Tomorrow (Wednesday) on RBN.Live at 2 p.m. CST.
A roundup of Lindauer's situation--interviews, articles, documents, etc. on
radio4houston.org/Lindauer, compiled by Mark Bilk.
Janet Phelan
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Message 10
From: "Bugs" brawny@twlakes.net
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:00pm(PDT)
Subject: more than 2400 have died
If you listen to them speak careful,they will tell you 2400 killed in Iraq,nothing said about Germany,or the USA,this number is not right,
bugs
----- Original Message -----
From: kerley983@aol.com
] more than 2400 have died
Do you really believe that 2400 amount of men killed? I hate to see that even in print. It is not true. that is the amount a long time ago. Not only that but a lot of men are not counted because they are not outright killed in the field. At one point I think and it might have been on this email group, the figure is like 10,000 and I am betting more. say 4 men are in a Humvee, they are bombed one is killed outright 3 are flew to Germany hospital and die in the next week, they are not counted as killed in this war. The Repugs have worked it all around they even lie when people are dead. Sharon
I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS ,BUT I DON'T SUPPORT BUSH AND HIS LIES THAT HAVE KILLED ALMOST 2400 HUNDRED BRAVE SOLDIERS.
SUNDAY NIGHT,ON 60 MINUTES THE CHIEF CIA OFFICIAL SAID FROM THE BEGINNING OF BUSH TERM IN 2001 ,HE WAS SET TO GO TO WAR WITH IRAQ,NO MATTER WHAT.
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Message 11
From: "mojo_j_2000" mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:09pm(PDT)
Subject: Thermite Identified As Culprit Of WTC Collapse
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified
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Message 12
From: "mojo_j_2000" mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:16pm(PDT)
Subject: thermite cut......ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=87970
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Message 13
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:23pm(PDT)
Subject: Fw: Only putting across the truth about 9-11 will work towards maki
From: Dick Eastman
To: catapultthepropaganda@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:13 PM
Subject: Only putting across the truth about 9-11 will work towards making all the other bad news of the world stop
Endless posts -- some by people lacking perspective, some by people wanting to spam and clog the channels of truth
but those who want get to the source of all these troubles and cut it out are the people who focus on the crime of September 11, 2001 -- the Achilles heel of the criminal networks behind all the world's misery
we have the conclusive evidence to convict the most powerful (and evil) men on the planet
are you blowing away the investigators who have practically delivered the criminals' heads on a platter ?-- if only people will respond to the conclusive evidence
then why don't you back them up?
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Which of these two men is for real?
From: Ray Antoky (responding to dick eastman)
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Who is a True Zionist? the Planehugger?
(see earlier post)
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Message 14
From: "mojo_j_2000" mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:24pm(PDT)
Subject: thermite was combined with sulphur to make it burn even hotter
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-
2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet%2B9/11
http://tinyurl.com/mxdmp
note the first 34 seconds
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Message 15
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:07pm(PDT)
Subject: 9-11 and WTC South Tower -- Karl W B Schwarz versus the "no-planers
9-11 and WTC South Tower
by Karl W B Schwarz
http://www.rense.com/general70/southt.htm
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Message 16
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:11pm(PDT)
Subject: Fw: Media largely ignore ex-CIA official's disclosure that White Hou
From: smcbride2@yahoo.com
April 25, 2006
Media largely ignore ex-CIA official's disclosure that White House dismissed contrary prewar intelligence on Iraq's WMD
Bloglines user SeanMcBride (smcbride2@yahoo.com) has sent this item to you, with the following personal message:
The mainstream media are *STILL* bending over backwards to protect Bush, despite his approval rating of 32% and an endless stream of negative revelations about his conduct of the Iraq War.
Why are they doing this? They hope to squeeze a few more drops of violent aggression from him in the Mideast. There is no other plausible explanation for their behavior. If this were any other president, they would have taken him down months ago, given the available ammunition.
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Media largely ignore ex-CIA official's disclosure that White House dismissed contrary prewar intelligence on Iraq's WMD
In War in Iraq
On the April 23 edition of CBS' 60 Minutes, former high-ranking CIA official Tyler Drumheller offered first-hand evidence that, months before the United States invaded Iraq, the Bush administration dismissed clear-cut evidence undermining President Bush's central case for war -- that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction. But in the nearly two days since this explosive report aired, the media have -- with the exception of MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann and several brief wire articles -- entirely ignored the story.
In a segment titled, "A Spy Speaks Out," 60 Minutes correspondent Ed Bradley spoke with Drumheller, who recently retired after 26 years in the CIA, most recently as the chief of the agency's European operations. Drumheller disclosed that, more than six months before the Iraq invasion, Naji Sabri Ahmad Al-Hadithi, Saddam's foreign affairs minister, agreed to provide the CIA with Iraqi military secrets. According to Drumheller, when then-CIA director George Tenet personally shared the news with Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and then-National Security adviser Condoleezza Rice, "they were excited that we had a high-level penetration of Iraqis." Sabri subsequently informed intelligence officials that Saddam "had no active weapons of mass destruction program." But when the White House learned of Sabri's disclosure in September 2002, "[t]hey stopped being interested in the intelligence." Drumheller further recounted the administration's reaction: "The group that was dealing with preparation for the Iraq war came back and said they're no longer interested. And we said, 'Well, what about the intel?' And they said, 'Well, this isn't about intel anymore. This is about regime change.' "
The 60 Minutes report is the latest in a string of explosive disclosures concerning the Bush administration's apparent cherry-picking of prewar intelligence. But as with previous damaging disclosures regarding the White House's actions in the buildup to the war, major news outlets largely ignored it.
Media Matters for America examined cable and network news coverage on April 24 (from 6 a.m. ET to midnight) and April 25 (from 6 a.m. to midnight) and also looked at newspaper and wire coverage for mentions of the 60 Minutes report. Following are the results of this survey:
a.. None of the three major networks reported on the story on either their morning shows or evening news broadcasts. (Remarkably, this included CBS, the network that originally aired Drumheller's disclosure.)
a.. While CNN.com ran an April 23 article on the 60 Minutes interview, CNN and Fox News have yet to mention the story on the air. The April 24 edition of Countdown with Keith Olbermann included MSNBC's only report on the story. Drumheller, however, is scheduled to appear on the April 25 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews.
a.. The New York Times published an April 22 article on the Drumheller interview, based on partial transcripts released by CBS. But no major newspaper -- on either April 23, 24, or 25 -- printed an additional article on the story.
a.. Both the Associated Press and United Press International published brief April 23 articles on Drumheller's revelations before his 60 Minutes interview aired on CBS. UPI ran a subsequent article on April 24. These represent the only wire reports on Drumheller's disclosure.
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From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:18pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: [catapult] Re: 9-11 Investigations -- Ray Antoky and Dick Eastm
So why are you airing your troubles with Rosalees and her group, catapult
here? If I was interested enough in her group, I’d send something to the
owner link, near the bottom of the Home Page.
If I got no response, then, well, I’d guess that the moderators didn’t want
my input. But ya know, there is a tremendous amount of posting here
recently, that has nothing to do with this groups purpose, it is becoming
the rule rather than the exception.
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Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:22pm(PDT)
Subject: Makow: How the Elite Plays God ( Exposing the Tavistock Institute)
http://www.savethemales.ca/001487.html
How the Elite Plays God
By Henry Makow, Ph.D.
Like a cat toying with a mouse, the elite teases us with glimpses of our true predicament. One such peek was the 1998 movie The Truman Show directed by Peter Weir.
Truman Burbank, played by Jim Carrey, is unaware his life is a live reality TV show. Everyone, including his wife, is an actor, and everything that happens is staged. In other words, his life is a fraud.
Truman Burbank's predicament describes our own. According to John Coleman, the elite has been writing and directing the script for almost hundred years at the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations based in London.
Coleman, 71, a former British Intelligence officer (MI-6) , first exposed the clique that dominates the world is his Conspirator's Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300. (1992)
As its title suggests, his latest book is a rambling cry of despair: The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations: Shaping the Moral, Spiritual, Cultural, Political and Economic Decline of the United States of America. (2005)
The book is confirmation that a financial elite engineered every war and depression in modern history and continues to condition our beliefs and behavior.
According to Coleman, Tavistock began life before WWI to convince peace loving populations of the need to massacre each other.
"Those fresh-faced young American boys from Arkansas and North Carolina were sent marching off to Europe believing they were "fighting for their country" never knowing that the "democracy" [Woodrow] Wilson sent them to "make the world safe for" was a Socialist-International One World Government dictatorship." (42)
Funded by the royal family, the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, Tavistock pioneered the techniques of propaganda used to justify war. Outright lies about German atrocities in WWI resonate down through the decades to lies about Sadaam Hussein's gassing Kurds and killing babies in Kuwait. Of course the biggest lie of all is that Muslims had anything to do with Sept. 11.
Coleman found that 94% of the key words and phases developed by Tavistock for WWII use "matched up with those used in the Korean War, the Vietnam War and the Gulf War." (153)
Coleman's main point is we can't trust anything the mass media or government tells us, especially not the "News." He cites Stalin's propaganda chief Willy Munzenberg: "All news is lies and all propaganda is disguised as news."
Coleman says society is rotten with institutions and organizations directed by Tavistock to deceive and distort. They are called "elite" institutions because of whom they serve.
The conspiracy reaches right down to the local level. According to Coleman, Tavistock has an "invisible army" of actors found "today in the halls of justice, police, churches, school boards, sports bodies, newspapers, TV...town councils, state legislatures, and are legion in Washington. They run for every office..."
Virtually every important corporation, university, think tank or foundation is linked to Tavistock. (See Conspirators' Hierarchy pp. 221-253 for a list.) It chooses the entertainers we watch, the pundits we listen to; the politicians we elect. Every US President since Theodore Roosevelt has been under its control. They made examples of rebels like JFK and Richard Nixon.
Tavistock is behind every "spontaneous" social movement of the last century, including feminism, sexual "liberation", the peace movement, the "New Age" movement, environmentalism, homosexuality, and abortion.
"The moral, spiritual, racial, economic, cultural and intellectual bankruptcy we are in the midst of today is not some social phenomenon...that just happened. Rather it is the product of a carefully planned Tavistock program," Coleman writes.
We are constantly studied to see how we will react under stress. Orson Well's Martian invasion in 1938 was designed to demonstrate the power of the "news" to deceive. Coleman doesn't mention it but the power blackout in the Northeast was probably another study of mass behavior. So was New Orleans. Confident of our sedated sheep-like behavior, Coleman says Tavistock went ahead and massacred David Koresh and his followers at Waco after lying about his activities. (240).
Tavistock follows Sun Tsu's maxim of "Kill a few; terrorize many." Coleman calls Winston Churchill's decision to bomb German civilians "a war crime." Dresden was "an outright attack on Christianity, timed to take place during Lent," he says. (188)
According to Coleman, Tavistock is waging war on the Muslim world because Islam represents an obstacle to its control. (151) He claims Russia and China still have a measure of independence.
CONCLUSIONS
We are in this jam because a small group of dynastic families have amassed unlimited wealth by usurping the government's money-creation role.
To maintain this unjust advantage, they need to create a "world government" dictatorship. As in any colonial situation, our national elites are chosen by their willingness to collaborate with the occupying power. Most people will do whatever it takes to be "successful". Many think they are free citizens creating a better world. Like the two Jewish professors who criticized the Israel Lobby recently, they discover the reality when they stray from the script.
The public is constantly under psychological attack. Turn on the news and we see 9-11 cover-up accomplice Rudolph Giuliani shedding crocodile tears with victims' families at patsie Zacharias Moussaoui's show trial. Al-Quaeda hijacker Mohammed Atta "mistakenly keyed the air traffic control microphone instead of the cabin intercom" and is heard talking to the frightened passengers! Sure.
Meanwhile, the bird flu is coming to get us. Someone is burning black churches. Illegal aliens are flooding the country (despite the "heightened security" mandated by the "war on terror.") Jesus asked Judas to betray him. It goes on and on.
People find the Illuminati to be an abstract and elusive enemy. Look no further than your television, your iPod, your radio, movie or newspaper.
Coleman says 450 of the Fortune 500 companies get their marching orders from Tavistock. This may explain why TV commercials seem more concerned with behavior modification than with selling a product.
I saw this gem recently. A little boy besieges a little girl with gifts. Each time she rejects him. Finally she accepts a vase full of flowers but slams the door in his face. She dumps the flowers in the garbage and uses the vase to gulp McCain's Kool-Aid.
What a message to send to children! They are messing people up so we are too divided and dysfunctional to resist them.
Like Truman Burbank, more and more people are recognizing the plot. They are testing the elite's story line and finding it mendacious and perverse. They are walking off the stage to find an authentic life.
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Related: my "Is the New World Order Jewish?"
Comments for "How the Elite Plays God"
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Christene said (April 10, 2006):
Don't fear. Tavistock may create elaborate plans, but let's face it, only God is God. Submit to God and not to Tavistock's fear campaign. Ignore the media. This life is only temporary, just a crazy test, and it will all be over quickly. God knows the truth. Tavistock and their armies will be crushed and burned, their time is very limited. They are the ones who should be afraid, very afraid.
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Dean said (April 10, 2006):
like reading your blogs. There may be more to the Truman show than most
people realize. The matrix in which we live allows most to base their
thinking, their very lives on many false premises. Basing their lives on
error they then develop a vested interest in error. Easy to swallow, hard
the divest.
In this way those of the Travistock and the banking elite, parasites all,
can control people through their thinking or believe systems.
For example, the book "The Bible Unearthed" by an Israeli and American shows that Moses was not an historical character and the so-called Israelites were never in any captivity. Of course all the other early old
Testament characters are equally fictitious as are the new testament characters including Jesus.
The matrix is indeed complex.
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Dean
I wouldn't be so quick to throw Moses and Jesus on the historical scrap heap. The proof is that their teachings are still valid today.
Henry
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Ed said (April 09, 2006):
Congratulations for a succinct, to the "heart of the matter" dissertation. As I see it, the genuinely "sad fact" is that the vast majority of western humans have become "hypnotically programmed" sheeple, thus they will not resist for they view immediately "perceived reality" from their sheeple-like psychological stance. Tavistock and their StarTrek "Borg-like" approach to human affairs seems an apt metaphor here . "Resistance is futile!" Absent "divine" intervention, which is not overtly discernable in recorded history, how can resistance be mounted in and from the West? I am certain that the Chinese, simply by being Chinese in thought and analytic techniques, long ago deduced Tavistock's "plan", and they will only "play" as long as they can benefit. What this will ultimately produce is yet to unfold. Interesting times, to be sure
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Larry said (April 09, 2006):
Your article reminds me of a photo I saw that was taken in a local bank in Baytown, Texas in 1950. There were perhaps 100 people in the lobby. All were well dressed, of normal weight and American citizens.
Since then, Baytown no longer has a downtown. It died. They're only strip malls, big chains and fast food restaurants along a drag on the north side of town. The bank was moved and bought out by a conglomerate and if another picture was taken in the lobby today I'm afraid all we'd see would be a bunch of fat slobs mixed with illegal aliens.
It's horrifying to know that NONE of this was just happenstance.
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Ben said (April 09, 2006):
I find it frustrating and disheartening, to say the least, that the bulk of people just won't wake up. I know about the NWO conspiracy, the Illuminati, the deliberate degradation of morals in western society, the abolition of
the role of the male, and the coming Police-State. Most people cringe, scoff
or roll their eyes when confronted with the world's harsh reality, believing
it to be nothing more than a collection of paranoid conspiracy theories.
After all, most of them are under the false impression (one that has been pushed onto them since birth) that they are doing the right thing, and that world-leaders care about them, etc. For doing the right thing by the world,
and trying to educate people with the facts and harsh truth, I have been called 'delusional', 'paranoid', 'crazy', 'anti-social', and my personal favourite 'terrorist sympathiser' (makes me chuckle). This is how the flock of mind-altered sheep repay original-thinkers that attempt to lead them to
greener pastures. However, none of this is a deterrent: I believe in doing the right thing; not conforming to someone elses standards, which are just downright wrong. In a few years all those sheep will look back and say "heck, if only we'd listened and done the right thing in the first place".
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Sentot said (April 08, 2006):
Although I do believe that conspiracy exists, I also believe none of it would happen if God almighty has not ordained it. Tavistock Institute is not god. We can fight them, because they're humans too. If people forgets that, they will succumb to hopelessness in the face of this grand devilish plot. Please remind your reader often that they shouldn't give up.
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Dan said (April 08, 2006):
I'm pleased to see your article tonight focuses on media's primary role being social engineering. Yes, selling products is secondary to that.
Now that I'm connected to marketing 'experts' here in Houston again, I can tell you that advertizing specialists pay primary attention to
selling the product within the 'correct' social 'package', first.
Naturally it's simpler for them to encourage 'trends' so as to have a
compliant and predictable public. I watch these guys work and go to the brain storming meetings, and what I deduce is that the entire advertizing and marketing profession has been subverted into being mouth pieces for the think tanks like Tavistock who actually devise how they
want people to think and behave this year and next.
You got very close in this article to telling readers the obvious personal solution to step out of the herd. Turn off the television!
Commercials, shows, 'reality tv', CNN, whatever it is, they are all selling us a simulacra of reality that as Frank Zappa once said, "maybe
you shouldn't ought to buy".
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Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto. He welcomes your feedback and ideas at henry@savethemales.ca.
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Message 19
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:48pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: can you say?
Here is some help Bugs.
Plenty of good stuff, minus the usual smoke and mirrors that we have been
educated with and find comfortable.
Why would we find the smoke and mirrors comfortable?
Cause the reality is so horrible it is hard to confront, it is harder still
when you realize that the truth, is that this has been done in our name
because we have allowed it.
www.fightthenwo.org <http://www.fightthenwo.org/>
Scott
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Help us buddy..
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Bush is NOT running this country. WAKE UP! He is controlled by the very
same vermin that control 99 percent of congeess. If people dont start
realizing this we are ALL inn a SHITLOAD of trouble! Even a CURSORY
examination will show this to be the case. PLEASE do some research!
Bugs < brawny@twlakes.net <mailto:brawny@twlakes.net> > wrote:
Here's how BUSH runs the country: ... He's making tones of money under the
table, He's in charge, the people around him are afraid of him, and
everything gets shredded!
Can you say ENRON
bugs
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From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:57pm(PDT)
Subject: Jewish World Jerusalem Post: Top White House posts go to Jews (no
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After appointing Joshua Bolten to be the White House chief of staff, US President George W. Bush nominated another Jewish staffer, Joel Kaplan, to serve as Bolten's deputy, putting him in charge of the daily policy planning.
The fact that White House policy is now in the hands of two Jews is not seen as significant by activists in the American Jewish community.
"He is simply appointing the best people for the job," said Nathan Diament, who heads the Washington office of the Orthodox Union. Another Jewish activist added that he "wouldn't read too much into it."
Bolten, who first served as head of the Office of Management and Budget, was the first Jewish member of Bush's cabinet. Ever since Bush took office, there has been a custom of opening cabinet meetings with a brief prayer and so, before his first cabinet meeting, Bolten's assistant contacted Diament and asked for help in finding a Jewish prayer for the security and well-being of the cabinet members. The Orthodox Union provided him with the text in English and in Hebrew and Bolten read it aloud at the next cabinet meeting.
Bolten and Kaplan will probably be the most prominent Jewish members of the Bush administration, but not the only ones. Apart from Bolten, there is another Jewish cabinet member, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, and there are other Jewish senior staff members, including Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams and White House staffer Jay Lefkowitz.
In the past year, several Jews who were holding senior posts in the administration have left, among them deputy secretary of defense Paul Wolfowitz, undersecretary of defense Doug Feith, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby and political adviser Ken Mehlman, who now heads the Republican National Committee.
Yet the policy of the administration has little to do with the religious beliefs of the staffers. "The president sets the policy goals and it is now the job of Josh [Bolten] and Joel [Kaplan] to help achieve these goals," said Noam Neusner, who served as the liaison to the Jewish community in Bush's White House from 2002-2005.
Other Jewish activists, both Republican and Democrat, agree that the nomination of Bolten and Kaplan have no affect on policy.
For Republicans, there is still a feeling that Bush does not receive the credit he deserves from the Jewish community. "We have Israel's best friend and it still hasn't changed the way the Jewish community sees him," said Fred Zeidman, a close friend of Bush and chairman of the National Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. "I keep hoping that one day our community will see the light and support President Bush."
Neusner recalled that in the Bush White House there was always great respect for religious practices of the staffers and predicted that this policy would remain now that Bolten is running its daily operations.
One tradition likely to go on is the reading of the Purim megilla led by Chabad Rabbi Levi Shemtov, which attracts many of the Jewish staffers.
The relatively small number of Jews in Bush's cabinet became an issue largely due to the comparison with his predecessor, Bill Clinton. The former administration had such Jewish cabinet members as Robert Reich, Robert Rubin, Sandy Berger, Lawrence Summers and Madeline Albright and State Department officials Dennis Ross, Martin Indyk and Aaron Miller.
"I don't support this idea of bean counting," said Jay Footlik, who was Clinton's liaison to the Jewish community. He sees the fact that the former administration had many Jewish members as significant to the policy the president had in regard to the Jewish community. According to him, the reason Jews were so visible in Clinton's administration was merely a result of the community being "drawn to public involvement and political activity."
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Jews in the Bush Administration
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Elliott Abrams Director of the National Security Council's Office for Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations
Jeffrey Berkowitz (2005-2006) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community and then office of presidential scheduling
Stuart Bernstein Ambassador to Denmark
Brad Blakeman White House Director of Scheduling
Josh Bolten (2006- ) Chief of Staff
Nancy Brinker Ambassador to Hungary
Michael Chertoff Head of the Justice Department's criminal division
Douglas Feith (2001-2005 ) Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Ari Fleischer (2001-2003) White House Press Secretary
David Frum (2001-2002) Speechwriter
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Message 21
From: "Cathy Garger" savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com
Date: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:06am(PDT)
Subject: Send comments to Dem Underground about this article
This article on Dem Underground, which begs for comments in defense about Loose Change and about Dr. James Fetzer, is at the top of the page:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
Cathy Garger
Carol wrote:
This was on the website : Democratic Underground---www.democraticunderground.com,
You can send them comments. Here is the article :
The 9/11 Conspiracy: A Skeptic's View
Posted by CrisisPapers in Editorials & Other Articles
Tue Apr 25th 2006, 04:41 PM
| Ernest Partridge |
This essay is guaranteed to make many readers very angry with me. But ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Last month I was a guest on a progressive radio talk show. About half-way through the hour-long program, the conversation was going well, until I expressed some doubts about the "controlled demolition" hypotheses of the collapse of the World Trade Center. That comment sealed the fate of the remainder of the hour, as it prompted an unvarying succession of angry rebuttals and a deluge of alleged "facts" supporting the view that the WTC towers were brought down by pre-set demolition charges, and that the Pentagon was not struck by a Boeing 747. And so I felt obliged to take a closer look at the theories and evidence regarding the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
After many hours watching videos this weekend of long presentations by David Ray Griffin, Steven Jones and James Fetzer, several other videos both affirming and rejecting "the official version" (OV), and reading numerous articles, it appears to me that the OV of the destruction of the World Trade Center is not credible. Too many anomalies are not explained. A closer look at the conspiracy theories (CTs) indicates that these too can not be true. Too many improbable assumptions. Thus one must conclude that the 9/11 attack on the WTC never took place.
No wait, that's absurd. Of course it took place! So what we are left with is an abundance of contrary claims, unconfirmable "evidence" leading to utter confusion and no firm conclusions - none, that is, regarding the World Trade Center attack. The Pentagon attack, however, should present little doubt: American Airlines Flight 77 struck the building.
The Evidence Problem
All accounts of the attacks, whether the official version or any of the numerous conspiracy theories, rest upon weak evidence – "weak," that is, to all those who did not examine the evidence at the scene, or did not have access to evidence with a secure "chain of custody." For all others, including myself and presumably all who read this, the evidence is 2nd, 3rd and Nth-hand hearsay. The best evidence available to us, when relevant, are photographic and video images, and even these are subject to various interpretations.
Until recently, the public could rely on published evidence from government scientists and government-supported scientific research, as well as reputable media. But no more. We now know that the Bush Administration alters or withholds scientific reports to conform to policy, dogma and pre-conceptions. The Bushites also lie outright in defense of their policies. As for the media, even that most reliable and respected "newspaper of record," the New York Times, has become a font of misinformation, including the Clinton Whitewater non-scandal, false and misleading reports of the Florida 2000 vote count, and Judith Miller's notorious reports of Saddam's alleged WMDs.
Even so, the critical reader should be capable of identifying and dismissing bizarre assertions, such as Morgan Reynold's claim that no aircraft struck the twin towers on 9/11 – this in spite of thousands of eye-witnesses and a vast number of photo and video images.
The same critical reader can identify and set aside pronouncements that are devoid of supporting evidence, such as this narrative by James Fetzer of the fate of American Airlines Flight 77 which, if it didn't hit the Pentagon, as Fetzer contends, must be somehow accounted for:
Flight 77 went off the radar screen in the vicinity of the Kentucky/Ohio border. This whole dotted path is a hypothetical or an imaginary path that the plane may have taken, but it was not recorded on radar. And my belief is in fact the plane actually went down in the Kentucky Ohio vicinity... Then a plane, probably an A-13 Sky Warrior was substituted here very close to Washington DC.
Fetzer gives us no citation of the alleged disappearance from the radar screen. (I have heard nothing about this "radar disappearance." Have you?) Then it gets much worse: "hypothetical or imaginary path," "may have taken," "my belief." Not a shred of evidence is offered in support of this fantasy.
The World Trade Center
Much of the "evidence" presented by the WTC conspiracy theorists is demonstrably false, fallacious or irrelevant. For example:
"The temperatures were not hot enough to melt steel." True but irrelevant. This is a persistent criticism by the CT. However, the OV does not claim that the steel melted at the impact points (melting temperature, 2700°F), only that it was weakened. The temperature sufficient to weaken steel by fifty-percent (1170°F) was well within the range of the burning jet fuel and office supplies.
"The debris was quickly collected without inspection and shipped off to Asia for recycling." False. It was relocated to a collection site at Staten Island, where it was examined by forensic engineers, and where personal effects were identified. (Here, here, and here are three of the 54,000 Google hits from a search for "World Trade Center" and "Staten Island" and "Debris")
"No steel frame building has ever collapsed because of a fire." Another "fact" repeatedly asserted by CT-s. Irrelevant, even if true. The WTC towers were brought down by a combination of fire and structural damage caused by the impact from the planes. (The collapse of WTC Building #7 was not caused by either fire or impact from planes - a problem for the CV which we will discuss later).
Now look very carefully at these images of the collapse of the WTC towers, here (north tower, 35:20. 36:40), here (south tower, 5:37), and here. (The numbers in parenthesis indicate the time locations in the videos). Notice that the collapse begins at the points of impact. Below the points of impact, the towers remain in place as the disintegration proceeds from the top down.
Next look at these video images of controlled demolitions (131:40) and also the collapse of WTC #7 (1:05). In all these cases, the collapse begins at the base, where the charges were set.
Assume now what your eyes plainly tell you: that (a) the collapse of each tower begins at the point of impact, and (b) that the collapse proceeds from that point downward. Next, try to weave these assumptions into the standard CT hypothesis that the towers were brought down by pre-located explosive charges. What results is this highly improbable scenario:
Charges had to be set beforehand at the points of impact, the 94th to the 98th floors of the north tower, and the 78th to the 84th floors of the south tower. Both aircraft, in stunning feats of piloting skill, succeeded in striking precisely at those pre-arranged locations. However, all charges placed below those points of impact were either duds or were insufficient to precipitate collapses. The towers stood firm as the demolition moved downward from the impact points.
In rebuttal, one might point out that the towers were supported by both the outer walls and an inner core. Might not the charges at the base have caused the collapse of the inner core, while the outer walls remained intact? This would account for the downward vertical plunge of the north tower.
Nice try, but it won't wash. If the core collapsed within, the accumulating debris from above would have demolished the outer walls below. This did not happen.
However, the official version is not without problems, and the conspiracy theory is not yet out of the contest. There remain some troubling anomalies for the OV:
Foremost among these is the collapse of WTC Building No. 7. Five hours after the towers came down, this forty story structure collapsed. And this time, as you can see here (1:05), the collapse followed the exact pattern of a controlled demolition: beginning at the base and falling uniformly on its own "footprint." The best that the OV can offer as explanation is that the foundation was weakened by fire, by seismic shock of the collapsing towers, and by the overload of debris from the towers. It is not a compelling explanation, to say the least. Perhaps this explains why an account of the collapse of WTC #7 is missing from the 9/11 Commission report.
Prof. Steven Jones, to my mind the most credible of the 911 critics, claims that melted and congealed steel was found in the rubble, and that it originated at the base of the standing buildings. The only plausible cause of melting with these properties, Jones claims, would be a high temperature explosive such as thermite. Jones is well-qualified to make this assessment. He is a professor of physics at Brigham Young University, with a specialty in metal-catalyzed fusion.
And this is just the beginning of a long list of anomalies that undercut the official version. Among them:
There were numerous reports of explosions below the impact points at the time the towers were hit. Others report that there were explosions before the planes hit.
Tapes of interviews with air traffic controllers were destroyed.
When news of the attack reached the Florida school where Bush was visiting, the Secret Service failed to remove the president from that previously publicized location.
There was a flood of "put options" (anticipations of loss) on American Airlines and United Airlines stock, within the week before 9/11.
Several prominent individuals, among them San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown and John Ashcroft were warned not to fly on 9/11. In addition, events involving other key individuals were "rescheduled" away from the WTC on 9/11.
The governments, New York City and State, and the Feds still have a lot of splainin' to do.
The Attack on the Pentagon
Unlike the WTC attacks, the Pentagon is rather simple and cut-and-dried. The official version is correct: The west side of the building was struck by American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 747. The evidence is clear, unequivocal and overwhelming. The alternative conspiracy theories (impact by a fighter plane or cruise missile) are plainly false, and at times simply pathetic.
This conclusion is compelling when we apply the "Hume test" to the conspiracy theory: namely, the improbability of CT being true, despite the evidence for OV. Specifically, for CT to be true, we must also assume that:
Hundreds of eyewitnesses on the George Washington Parkway at morning rush-hour were either (a) victims of mass-hallucination, or (b) taken aside and threatened or bribed to testify falsely that they saw a commercial aircraft.
Immediately after the impact, squads of conspirators rushed to the scene to plant body parts, personal effects, and bogus aircraft parts (some, like the engines and landing gear weighing several hundred pounds). Others dumped aviation fuel, to "falsely" suggest involvement of an airplane.
Alternatively, eyewitness testimony of those claiming to find these parts were also coerced, and published photographic evidence faked. All press reports were also concocted to give credence to the official version.
Finally, some explanation must be presented as to the fate of Flight 77 and its passengers, which somehow disappeared without any further trace at the precise time the alleged military aircraft or cruise missile approached and struck the Pentagon.
Sorry, but its just too much for me to swallow.
What Does it all Mean?
How then are we to explain the Bush Administration inaction before 9/11, and its willingness to take full advantage of this "new Pearl Harbor?" I don't know, but that doesn't keep me from speculating. So here's my hunch – and it's only a hunch which I am willing to revise or abandon if and when more evidence appears. The Busheviks were forewarned ("Bin Laden determined to strike in the US"), but they expected attacks on the scale of the USS Cole and the African embassies: perhaps a few dozen. They did not take countermeasures because they saw a policy advantage in such a "mini-Pearl Harbor." For such a purpose, the attack on The Pentagon would suffice. They did not expect the destruction of the World Trade Center. However, after 9/11 the die was cast, and so they eagerly launched their "war on terror," along with the policy outrages that were to follow: the USA PATRIOT ACT, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo. The Iraq War, we now know from Richard Clarke and the Downing Street memos, was
on the drawing boards long before 9/11, awaiting just such an event to set it in motion.
All that is little more than a guess. But we can arrive at some more substantial conclusions from our unresolved examination of the 9/11 attacks.
First of all, it is clear that the 9/11 Commission is a travesty. Too many phenomena are unexplained. The evidence must be revisited and validated, and the critics' anomalies explained. And this must be done fearlessly and independently of any political biases or agendas.
Second, the critics of the official version should, as much as possible, get their facts straight, whereupon they must then cease presenting falsehoods as evidence; e.g., that the debris was shipped immediately, uninspected, to Asia; that the the OV assumes that steel melted; that no physical evidence of the plane was found at the Pentagon, etc.
Third: there is no shame in suspending belief - i.e., in being a skeptic. Conversely, it is shameful to jump to a conclusion and a conviction on insufficient and conflicting evidence. Acceptance of the official version, or conversely of the conspiracy theory, are not our only alternatives. Both views are vulnerable and leave many crucial questions unanswered. Far better that we admit to ourselves and tell the world that we simply do not know. Suspension of belief is not a conspicuously American trait. But it is a stock-in-trade of honest scholars and scientists. And it is spur to further investigation, which is most assuredly called for in this case.
Finally, partisan passions should not get in the way of a rational assessment of the evidence. Personally, my web publications testify that I yield to no one in my contempt for Bush and his crime syndicate. I would like as much as anyone to see these crimes pinned on Bush, Inc. But the evidence (however weak) is what it is.
What happened on 9/11? Who is responsible? The questions remain open even as they remain urgent. The American people deserve answers, and more immediately, competent and sustained investigation leading to these answers.
-- EP
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