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1. Re: new dvd about 911 and federal reserve
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
2. Re: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!
From: "Cait" <ansith@gmail.com>
3. Fwd: [WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED] More Patsies Take a Fall 4Israeli,British & American Terrorism
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
4. Re: Anyone working on activist projects here?
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
5. Anyone who is in favor of uncontrolled immigration must be making money
From: ranger116@webtv.net
6. Re: Do Mexicans have Permits For Protests of 50K to 500,000 ...
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
7. RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
8. U.S. Military "Almost in a State of Rebellion" Migrants Rush To Border
From: ranger116@webtv.net
9. RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
10. ++++++ Physicist says heat substance felled WTC ++++++
From: "mojo_j_2000" <mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com>
11. RE: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: "Leslie Schwartz" <lhs_emf@pacbell.net>
12. Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
13. RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
14. China
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
15. Re: Do Mexicans have Permits For Protests of 50K to 500,000 ...
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
16. Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION
From: JP Liggett <JP@JPLiggett.com>
17. RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: amy dalzell <amydalzell@yahoo.com>
18. RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: mann david <dmann51@yahoo.com>
19. RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: "Leslie Schwartz" <lhs_emf@pacbell.net>
20. A Day in the Life: 4/13/6
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
21. Re: Do Mexicans have Permits For Protests of 50K to 500,000 ...
From: mann david <dmann51@yahoo.com>
22. The Real World
From: Thomas Potter <mr_thomas_potter@yahoo.com>
23. Re: Reply to TimeToTell-"Joint Chiefs of Staff" Remove Bush/Cheney Now BeforeWWII
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
24. Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: "scol202" <yahooboxx@ntlworld.com>
25. I rest my case. Re: Fw: Jew Baiting Leslie Schwartz, Dick Eastman
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:25:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: new dvd about 911 and federal reserve
One more Alex Jones suggestion. Police State III
linelites@mindspring.com wrote: I have made up a new dvd with Loose Change and with a 17 minute short introduction to 911 truth and the involvment of the Federal Reserve. It also has a clip of Steven Jones' lecture....It is a great dvd to give to people, it is very nonconfrontational and nonchallenging. I highly recommend it as a pass around.
...If anyone wants a copy of Loose Change or another passaroundable
dvds, I supply them for $1 each - labeled and with envelope. Price is 75 cents each for 100 or more.......shipping is extra. can do paypal....just enter in my email address....add for postage.....$1 for 1-2, $2 for 3-5, $3 for 6-10, $4 for 11-20, $5 for 21-30, $6 for 30-50, $7 for 51-100
I believe informing others is our best tactic at this time...Loose Change is a good
for convincing others that the threat our country and the world is under is very real. If anyone has other suggested dvds, pls let me know.....
Jeremy Lynes linelites@mindspring.com 404 892 7114
1. LOOSE CHANGE 2ND EDITION with Federal Reserve addendum
2.
3. 911 IN PLANE SITE the directors cut
4. 911 MARTIAL LAW by Alex Jones
5. 911 ROAD TO TYRANNY by Alex Jones
6. PAINFUL DECEPTIONS AND DAVID RAY GRIFFIN 911 LECTURE ON CSPAN2
7. AEROSOL CRIMES.....dvd on chemtrails
8. BOHEMIAN GROVE by Alex Jones
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:26:28 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
From: "Cait" <ansith@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!
I tried to Kevin, but I kept getting this:
www.signsofthetimes.org is under construction.
search the web:
is there another link?
Cait
-------Original Message-------
From: Kevin Hammond
Date: 04/12/06 23:21:31
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!
Did anyone ever go to www.signsofthetimes.org and read the article about the
recent weirdness about the capitol?!
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
you were speaking of projects,
this is mine!
greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2617
Yep, I am digging 24/7 for the next phase. I think bio-terror/weaponised
bird flu
is a possibility.
Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote:
Naveed -- I think Nico's group (team8+.org, I think) has a special section
devoted to upcominhg terror drills.
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
Does anybody have any knowledge of upcoming drills for "terrorist" activity?
Considering the KOOKOOS in district of criminals (Washington DC) are having
media whores trumpet using mini nukes on Iran, this is the most dangerous
timing for another larger false flag.
Not endorsing the ACLU but
Eternal Vigilance is the the price of freedom........have you paid?
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: [WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED] More Patsies Take a Fall 4Israeli,British & American Terrorism
Meno Slither <meno_slither@yahoo.com> wrote: To: "NewWorldOrderWhistleBlowers3@yahoogroups.com" <NewWorldOrderWhistleBlowers3@yahoogroups.com>,
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From: Meno Slither <meno_slither@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:55:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED] More Patsies Take a Fall 4Israeli,British & American Terrorism
More Patsies Take a Fall For Israeli, British and American Terrorism Joe Quinn
Signs of the Times
http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20060412_MorePatsiesTakeaFallForIsraeliBritishandAmericanTerrorism.php
12/04/2006
Today, in an example of the joke that the Western 'justice' system has become, a Spanish judge passed down sentences on 29 Moroccon patsies for their alleged yet wholly uncorroborated part in the Madrid Train bombings:
Judge charges 29 over Madrid train bombing
A Spanish judge has launched one of Europe's largest terrorism prosecutions, charging 29 people in connection with the 2004 Madrid train bombings.
After a two-year investigation, Judge Juan Del Olmo charged five people, all Moroccan nationals, with 191 counts of murder and 1,755 attempted murders, when they blew up three commuter trains in the Spanish capital. Another 23 were charged with collaboration.
Rather than waste time in attempting to argue the case myself, I will simply present evidence from mainstream news sources which show that today's charges can only be an attempt to close the case on the Madrid bombings using the time-honored tactics of locking up a bunch of patsies.
Spanish prosecutor wants Sept 11 conviction quashed
Feb 16, 2006 - MADRID (Reuters)
Spain's public prosecutor urged a court on Thursday to overturn an alleged al Qaeda leader's conviction for conspiring with the September 11 plotters, calling the evidence weak and unconvincing.
If the Supreme Court agrees with the prosecutor, it would mean that a high-profile trial of 24 alleged al Qaeda members in Spain last year had failed to convict anyone in connection with the September 11, 2001 attacks on U.S. cities.
From today's article on the convictions:
"Mr Bouchar was arrested in Serbia a year later, while carrying false Iraqi papers, and extradited to Spain. Both Mr Zougam and Mr Bouchar and the three others named in the indictment had links to the Moroccan Islamic Fighters' Group (GICM), which carried out the Casablanca bombings in May 2003."
Britons held over Casablanca bombings
A Briton is being held in Morocco in connection with the May bombings in Casablanca that killed 44 people.
A second Briton is also being held by authorities in the north African country, but a Foreign Office spokeswoman refused to confirm if he is suspected of terrorism.
Morocco bomb suspect is 'French spy'
Monday 08 September 2003 Aljazeera.net
A French national on trial in Morocco for allegedly leading a Muslim group suspected of the May bombing attacks in Casablanca has told the court he worked for French intelligence.
Pierre Robert told the Rabat court that he infiltrated Muslim groups and carried out investigations on behalf of the French intelligence services, the DST.
Spain suspects 'were Police informants'
The Spanish interior ministry says it is investigating reports that two suspects in the 11 March Madrid train bombings were police informants. [...]
French accuse MI5 of failing to help terror hunt
By Kim Willsher in Paris and David Bamber
15/09/2002
French intelligence personnel have accused Britain of failing to cooperate with European partners in the war against Islamic terrorist groups. The allegations, made by senior French officials, have angered MI5 officers. Legal & General
France's security services claim that their British counterparts are refusing to share information, work with them or act against known British-based terrorist suspects.
A senior French intelligence official who reports directly to the President's office said that while there had been a "slight" improvement in cooperation immediately after September 11 last year, "things are now worse than they were before; that is to say, the British just don't appear to be doing anything. It's a pity because Britain has excellent intelligence but your people simply won't cooperate with us."
The anti-terrorist official also said that the French were certain that MI5 was sheltering Abu Qatada, a militant cleric, while officially denying knowledge of his whereabouts.
Special Branch to track Muslims across UK
Vikram Dodd Wednesday July 20, 2005
The Guardian
Special intelligence units are being planned across Britain to monitor Muslims so the authorities can collect "community by community" knowledge of where extremism is building up.
The Guardian has learned that the special squads, to be known as Muslim Contact Units and staffed by Special Branch officers, will be established in areas including Yorkshire, north-west England and parts of the Midlands.
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Another quote from today's article about the Madrid bombing charges:
"But Vicente Martin Pujalte, of the conservative opposition party, said they were still unconvinced by the "insufficient conclusion". He said: "To say this is an autonomous cell who simply decided [to carry out the bombing] one morning seems a weak argument." He described the accused as "secondary actors" in the conspiracy."
So the question remains: who are the "primary actors"?
Spain's "Terrorists" Not Devout Muslims
Xympohora - March 18-19, 2004
You can see how absurdly easy it is to create a fake 'al-Qaeda' terrorist attack. Take one petty criminal from Madrid of plausible ethnicity and pay him some money to hang out with some people who the authorities can associate with al-Qaeda. After the bomb attack, either plant a bag of unexploded bombs or find a real dud bag and, while it is in the police station, put a phone and a phone card from the shop of the petty criminal in the bag. The criminal is instantly turned into Lee Harvey Oswald, and the bombing attack is instantly turned into an act of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.
1. The main suspect, Jamal Zougam appears to have been a petty scammer and fence who dealt in stolen telephones and credit cards brought to him by a ring of pickpockets in Madrid. One business associate who had visited him just before the attack said:
"I know what he is accused of, but this is not the Jamal we know." Mahabur al-Farhon, who owns a boutique close to Zougam's shop, said:
"When we had a beer together he never talked about religion. He was more interested in making money."
Zougam is tied into the bombings by a phonecard said to have come from his shop which was found in the one bag of bombs which did not explode. The reason it did not explode is supposedly because the trigger for the explosion, a phone call to a disposable cell phone in the bag, was not made. The reason the call was not made? Because the terrorists forgot (or because they set the clock on one detonator for 19:40 rather than 7:40)! The famous bag itself was found (2) in a police station, where it supposedly had been taken by the police along with other luggage found at the scene of the bombing. The Spanish authorities don't seem comfortable with witness statements that Zougam was on the train, so the fact one of his phones and phonecards were used really doesn't prove anything except that someone involved may have bought them from him.
2. A group of radical Muslims had moved into Zougam's neighborhood recently, but Zougam was never seen in their company. He liked to go to nightclubs, was interested in sporting the latest fashions, and had boasted about his many girlfriends. In other words, he was just like Mohamed Atta, another 'Islamic fundamentalist' with decidedly un-fundamentalist choices in lifestyle!
3. Moroccan authorities have identified (3) the three arrested Moroccans as Jamal Zugam, 30, an office worker, Muhammad Bekkali, 31, a mechanic and Muhammad Chaui, 34, a factory worker. They are not known to be connected to terrorism (and the Moroccans appear to be on top of such things). This is eerily reminiscent of the stolen identities used in the 9-11 attack.
4. The Abu Hafs al Masri Brigade, which took credit for the bombings, may not actually exist (4).
5. Of the five arrested men, three are said to be Moroccans and two are supposed to be from India. Although it may be a translation problem, they were described as being of 'Hindu' (5) origin, odd members for al-Qaeda! It is interesting that initially the men of 'Hindu' origin were simply being questioned and were not expected (6) to be arrested.
6. There were no suicide bombers.
If 'Jamal Zougam' (if that is his real name) was involved, and that is certainly not proven, it seems likely he did it for money rather than for religious ideals. If so, anyone could have hired him. The complete absence of any timely claim to have done the act from any known terrorist group makes it highly unlikely that it was a terrorist act in the traditional sense (I don't see any of the late claims of responsibility as being credible). The weavers of stories have already started their work of tying 'Jamal Zougam' into the web of international Islamic terrorism. Don't believe the hype!
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:39:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone working on activist projects here?
handing out dvds, still posting flyers a bit, wear my inside job button everywhere I go and the minute I see someone look at it I zero right in on them and start talking. Put flyers in the lit resepticles on public transit and still doing my show. website is being updated as much and as often as Possible. In regards to the site. I will appreciate it if anyone who goes there to thank the webmaster for all of his HARD WORK. There is a link to him at the top left corner of the site.
Kevin
Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote:
I've been handing out CD's, and working on my neighbors (like I encourage others to do). It takes time to wake people up -- but working on the people around you will insure you have support when the internet is shut down (or changed)
I think Americans need to re-develop the sense of community that was destroyed when everyone went inside to stare at their televisions. I've been working this angle for a while, and although it's not very visible, it will provide local support and unity if the shit hits the fan, or they start rounding up dissenters. I strongly advise everyone to get off the internet (or not spend so much time here) and instead start talking to your neighbors. We need a lot of small local groups. We spend too much time talking to the same people on the internet, only to be left alone in our physical worlds, surrounded by people who think we're crazy.
Greg Nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com> wrote:
I know Kevin has a new site...What are people up to or planning?
Here in VT we just had the Loose Change II crew and showed the film at
UVM to a large audience. We are also having Tarpley speak on the 27th
of April. The group, Burlington9/11 Action (created in the last 2
months) has already held two succesful events and is going for our
third. We are planning to protest General Dynamics and their ties to
9/11.
Could we all drop the Israel/Zionist bullshit and get back to fighting
Fascism and seeking justice for 9/11? This list is bordering on being
all delete material.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:42:12 -0400
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: Anyone who is in favor of uncontrolled immigration must be making money
Anyone who is in favor of uncontrolled immigration must be making money
off of it or have enough money already that they think it will not
effect them ? !
But it will because I will vote to give the poor aliens all the rich
people's houses. and guess what rich people look at the price of gold
the US dollar no matter how many you have is toilet paper !
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:55:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Do Mexicans have Permits For Protests of 50K to 500,000 ...
I am with jolly on this one. And my wife who busted her rearend to get here LEGALLY and OBEY te LAWS of THIS country resents this bullshit as well. I ahve no problem with immigration either. as long as they respect OUR constitution and OUR bills of rights and dont demand special treatment. Equal rights for ALL! And if they want to come heer then they can work for the same wages as anyone else. and DEMAND the LEGAL wages. I can think of PLENTY of folks that have done and WILL DO all of that work that they and the globalists say that WE WONT DO! They are just asking a somewhat fair wage. Dont you people REALIZE that they are being USED by the globalists?! WAKE UP! The more of them that come up here and work for a pittance, the more and more the globalist corporate scumbags will keep paying them less and NOT paying AMERICANS and Greencard holders AT ALL! What do you think that THEY would do with the shoe on the other FOOT? Hmm.
Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote: I have no problem with immigration, but 20 million people swarming over the border isn't immigration -- it's an invasion. In the past immigrants have always been allowed into the U.S. in reasonable numbers, so their arrival wouldn't adversly impact the economy. The horde arriving from mexico is described as "immigrants" to frame the discussion in that light, rather than address the impact thay're having on the lives of Americans. They've already brought down our wages, the quality of our pubic school education, and American's accessibility to heath care, in addition to shipping much of the money they make here out of the country. Is there some reason that America should be deprived of its right to maintain its borders like every other country on the planet?
mann david <dmann51@yahoo.com> wrote: Well said.
--- NoRedCoats@aol.com wrote:
> Now, now, there you go talking about immigrants
> being treated better than
> Americans and it's all their fault your are treated
> poorly. These immigrants for
> the most part work hard and have been referred to
> as "the sleeping giant."
> Rather than just sleeping, I think the giant was too
> busy WORKING and now is
> threatened by some up tight, anal retentive people
> who actually suffer from an
> inferiority complex. So, they write legislation
> that would go after the hard
> working and poor immigrants punishing them and
> tearing apart their families,
> friends, wives, etc. Let me ask you the reader,
> how many Europeans ever
> got or applied for some kind of Visa or Passport
> from Native Americans.
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:06:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
OH for CRYIN OUT LOUD! Do I have to spell it OUT?! Do you forget the balfour declaration and the Rothschilds?! C'MON! But like I said the Zionists are only a part of it. Just wait and see who will end up wanting to be the big peacemaker for the mideast and rule from Jerusalem! wanna guess?! remember the Crusades? Bush called the whore on terror a ""CRUSADE""! Think it was a coincedence? I am tellin you. keep a watchful eye on ROME! two successful popes have now called for a New World Order! also look into the p2 masonic lodge and its connection to the vatican and the cia. PLEASE!
Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} I have yet to see concrete evidence that these world bankers are Zionist and just not another corporate faction in their bid for control of all of the governments of the world.
That means (Bankers) financing anyone one that can produce constant warfare.
I still haven’t seen anything that convinces me that a Neo Con is a Zionist, much less that there are Zionists that aren’t Jewish. Too simple and too small of a sampling for what I have seen.
I find I have to really stretch my reality to get that small of a section (Zionists) make up who wanted 9/11 to happen, who pulled it off and who profits for it. Seems a great many groups, corporations, banks make loads of money and that these same Corporation/Warfare/Bankers groups all are after controlling government to do their personal bidding. I just can’t figure out how they link into everything else and there is so much more at work that what I have found to be true or what has been posted on this group.
I hate to put it this way, but 9/11 is a symptom, not the cause of the illness the planet is suffering from. Treating symptoms make certain people rich, where as dealing with the health of the organism alleviates the symptoms, of an ill organism. In this case, all of the scenarios that brought about 9/11, not just trying to make just one theory fit. I know where Cheney stands in this. I know that this is the agenda for PNAC. I also know that the last 4-5 presidents worked very hard for the World Trade and World Health Organizations, whose purpose it is to control the worlds governments though economic means, I know that many of the goals, of most of the organizations that I and other people have listed here, are also goals of the mysterious Tri lateral organization. I know almost nothing about the illuminati that makes sense to me, maybe I’m reading the wrong stuff but it appears pretty much redundant after a while when the names just keep jumping around from one
organization to another finding so many inter connected bad guys, who the Fuck really is behind all of this?
I have no idea how many people belong to more than one of any of those organizations, but I get the feeling they have their own inner competition going as to who will have the firmest grip on planetary control. 9/11 happed to work for a lot of people, even places I hadn’t thought of before.
In regards to these comments of yours, I and others in a group now defunct, have reached pretty much the same conclusions years ago through means where I hadn’t heard of anyone I can recall of, in this group . That is, independent confirmations rather than swayed by the researchers here. I didn’t attach that which I didn’t feel 95+% behind.
“The Pentagon with Rumsfeld in it was attacked for two reasons --
to cover the Pentagon neo-cons from suspicion ("they would never attack
themselves") and to murder the personnel of the Office of Naval Intelligence
that had been moved into the targeted "new wedge" area.
Richard Perle headed a group that included Wolfowitz, Kissinger, Feith at
the Pentagon -- this is where 9/11 was planned -- Perle represents the
(Zionist) Rothschilds, Kissinger represents the Rockefellers and the
Chinese -- the plan was made so every principal would get a payoff.”
“Mossad operates as does the CIA -- for the special interests
(profits-power- Zionism), not for the
"national interests" of Israel or the United States. The apparatus of the
state has been sequestered from national interest to serve/profit the
special interests of the power-elite groups (represented by agents Perle,
Kissinger etc.)”
In regards to this statement;
“Certainly the interceptions were not made. There must
be some reason why pursuit planes never took off.”
I saw the Colonel interviewed, live, he said he called his superior as protocol stated and he was ordered to ground what he had in the air, not refuel or arm that plane, to not fuel or arm the one on the ground that was it’s replacement and do nothing until ordered. Then a cameraman asked what he knew about the plane that hit the second tower and he snapped “nothing, I’ve been in here giving interviews with the press instead of watching the radar screen”.
After the 9/11 transcripts were released is when I saw the transcripts of Cheney in the Norad Control room. That was the first time I was able to find out who the Colonel was taking orders from, if it wasn’t the president as has been the case since Regan.
Was it you or Eric that stated that PNAC and the Neo Con ranks are predominantly Jewish? I’m more of an expert on the surnames of the British Isles and not to bad on Germanic based names too, there are loads of those on the Neo Cons and PNAC’s rosters. Which names are Jewish?
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:09 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
----- Original Message -----
From: "scol202" <yahooboxx@ntlworld.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
>> Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11 is
> Israel?
>
> Iraq and Iran are/were the two biggest threats to the state of
> Israel's existence. The Jewish lobby and the Israeli government
> screamed loudest for the war
>
Because of Sharon's hard stand Israel was losing world support
prior to 9-11. The (false-flag) attacks boosted Israel like the
Oaklahoma City bombing boosted Clinton a year after Waco.
Just a week before 911 I received a letter from Wendell Solomons
in Sri Lanka who was passing on information that "Israel is on
some kind of countdown" for an important happening.
Zionism gained from 9-11 just as it gains from the holocaust story.
>> I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
> Carlyle group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I
> am looking at the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World
> health Organization.
Look at the people who finance the war and who own the corporations.
Investment banks lending at compound interest have gained much more from the
war than defense-industry corporations. These bankers are Zionists -- we
cannot say which motive is uppermost in their minds/hearts, Zionism or
profit.
The attacks in New York have been proven to have been more than boxcutter
hijackers -- see, for example, my evidence on the Pentagon attack
http://bedoper.com/eastman for a sample of the case that exists against the
Pentagon leadership -- who are Neo-cons, who are Zionists, who are Jewish,
who are motivated by what is good for Israel. -- They would not have
processed the mass-murder frame-up without taking its effect on Israel into
account. The Pentagon with Rumsfeld in it was attacked for two reasons --
to cover the Pentagon neo-cons from suspicion ("they would never attack
themselves") and to murder the personnel of the Office of Naval Intelligence
that had been moved into the targeted "new wedge" area.
Richard Perle headed a group that included Wolfowitz, Kissinger, Feith at
the Pentagon -- this is where 9/11 was planned -- Perle represents the
(Zionist) Rothschilds, Kissinger represents the Rockefellers and the
hinese -- the plan was made so every principal would get a payoff.
>
> Yes, American criminals benefited too. Americans also helped with
> 9/11 they deserved some payback, don't you think ?
>
Yes, many groups benefited from 9-11 -- but one overarching group was
necessary -- the Zionist network Mossad-Pentagon-MI6-CIA-NSA -- a
network where the official organization charts are misleading.
>
>> Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
> when you say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA,
> and 5 men with a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is
> suspect but..
Mossad operates as does the CIA -- for the special interests
(profits-power- Zionism), not for the
"national interests" of Israel or the United States. The apparatus of the
state has been sequestered from national interest to serve/profit the
special interests of the power-elite groups (represented by agents Perle,
Kissinger etc.)
>
> It's white hot suspect, absolutely correct, couldn't be much hotter.
> Israeli spies selling paintings were found to have addresses close to
> the hijackers, this was reported on Fox news.
Israel was America's eyes and ears in central asia and in the mid-east --
the U.S. relied in Israeli information about everything -- the 9-11
false-flag
operation depended on control of all information.
>
>
>
>> A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
> controlled demolition.
>
> I don't understand that.
I also don't know what you are talking about. The van of the
"laughing Israeli's" did not pass the sniff test of the explosives
dogs (it showed positive for explosives materials) -- but no
one is suggesting that that one truck carried all the explosives
used in the controlled demolitions of the twin towers.
>
>
>> I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
> place about construction work that had gone on there for the three
> previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
> hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
>
> I don't understand that either
Yes, I too remember detailed stories about work that was done
on the buildings just prior to the attacks -- work with the security
cameras shut down for certain periods as I remember -
>
>
>
>> Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
> interviewed just after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that
> his superior ordered him to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes
> unless given further orders.
>
>
> Really, I didn't hear that.
Certainly the interceptions were not made. There must
be some reason why pursuit planes never took off.
>
>
>
>> Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
> undisclosed place was the control room of Norad, as his control
> amounted to continually telling the operators there to let the
> aircraft through, to issue to warnings to the apparent targets and
> especially to not let any of our armed aircraft into the air that
> might interfere.
>
> Yes I understood that.
Yes, I've read this too -- and it all fits -- but I base everything not
on these reports (whose authenticity I cannot verify) but on the photo
evidence in the Pentagon attack. Once it was established that the
Pentagon was not attacked in the way that the government and media
reported -- then we had proven a black-op involving the Pentagton --
the Zionist Neo-con leadership, Kissinger, Perle, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld,
Feith and others.
>
>
>
>> I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want to
> be present at the execution.
I have no such evidence. It seems that Cheney and Mossad were cooperating
on the same operation -- like the CIA and Mossad so often cooperate -- at
a black-op level and totally illegally (if only the law would know about
it).
>
> Cheney isn't even an israeli citizen, he's actually American. he is a
> neocon and a member of the PNAC, both predominantly Jewish in
> character.
>
Agree.
>> Scott
>
> Eric
>
Dick
>
>
> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11
> is
> > Israel?
> >
> > I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
> Carlyle
> > group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I am
> looking at
> > the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World health
> Organization.
> >
> > Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
> when you
> > say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA, and 5
> men with
> > a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is suspect but.. A van
> full of
> > C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as controlled
> > demolition.
> >
> > I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their
> work place
> > about construction work that had gone on there for the three
> previous
> > months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
> hopefully,
> > separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
> >
> > Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
> interviewed just
> > after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that his superior
> ordered him
> > to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes unless given further
> orders.
> >
> > Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
> undisclosed
> > place was the control room of Norad, as his control amounted to
> continually
> > telling the operators there to let the aircraft through, to issue to
> > warnings to the apparent targets and especially to not let any of
> our armed
> > aircraft into the air that might interfere.
> >
> > I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want
> to be
> > present at the execution.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:39 PM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
> >
> > It does matter if five Mossad agents were caught red handed
> > celebrating the collapse of the towers with traces of explosives in
> > their van. They failed several lie detector tests and the boss of
> the
> > company fled to Israel. The fact that an Israeli company was warned
> > before the attacks matters too.
> >
> > The main beneficiary of the Iraq war was Israel and the only
> > beneficiary of the racist war on terror is Israel. It matters.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie Schwartz"
> > <lhs_emf@> wrote:
> > >
> > > For anyone who actually cares about the truth to this continuing
> > misinformation being promoted here again by Eastman, (Eastman:
> > > essentially "my sampling - few Jews killed at the WTC 9/11/01")
> > check out the following.
> > >
> > > Here is a list of the names of those who died in the WTC. As a
> Jew,
> > I know what names are likely Jewish and which are not. I am not
> > > going to go thru all of them one by one and tell you which are
> > which. If you have been around a bit you will know on your own.
> > >
> > > Highlight the names to see the full name, very roughly at least
> 1/3
> > (conservatively) are Jewish.
> > >
> > > http://www.9-11heroes.us/victims-world-trade-center.php
> > >
> > > Here is another discussion of this issue, with more links and an
> > analysis of the misinformation Eastman continues to spew. The
> > > estimate here is between 400 - 500 people of Jewish decent died in
> > the WTC towers on 9/11/01. There are a series of articles
> > > debunking these lies via this link.
> > >
> > > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=331277
> > >
> > > Moreover this issue, the tragedy which 9/11 is and represents does
> > not have a dam thing to do with who is Jewish and who is not or
> > > how the events occurred or why they occurred again has nothing to
> > do with Jews or Jewishness or Israel, or American Jews, or French
> > > Jews, or German Jews, etc. As I told you before its about money
> and
> > power. AGAIN, if you really want to have the background history
> > > to understand this event read John Loftus, read Webster Tarpley.
> > Educate yourself, don't be lazy, don't indulge in your prejudices.
> > > Learn that lesson and it will take you a long way in life. That is
> > the most important lesson anyone can take from this discussion.
> > >
> > > Dick, if you really cared about the truth you would investigate
> the
> > truth about it and stop the lies. Are you admitting now below to
> > > laziness' rather than hatred? If that is your excuse, then ask
> > yourself if that is the standard you really want to live by and use
> > > as a guide for your efforts in this or any or important study when
> > you communicate with others about the important issues they
> > > should be aware of. You could not prove your assertion on this
> > issue but yet you repeated it again. What conclusion are we to draw
> > > from that I wonder?
> > >
> > > Your statements have been shameful, stupid and most of all wrong.
> > You ought to know that Jewish people like myself love this country
> > > as much as you do and we fight and die for it and have done so
> > throughout its history, and we devote ourselves to this country as
> > > much as you obviously think you do.
> > >
> > > But there is one big difference between all of us (who are
> rational
> > and concerned) and you, as one of a group of haters who have
> > > been writing in this caliber of trash to this message board. We
> > don't call people names based on race or religion, we don't make up
> > > stupid theories about history based on simpleton ideas and
> > misinformation. We have learned the hard way not to keep hate in
> our
> > > hearts and we have learned just how thoughtless and dangerous it
> is
> > to go about life that way. We have seen the results and we don't
> > > want to see them again, no matter who the victim might be next
> > time. We take the time to learn and to understand and to be as
> > > accurate and honest with ourselves and others as we can be and if
> > we do not know the truth we research it honestly and keep our
> > > mouths shut until we do know the truth, rather than go about
> > repeatedly making baseless statements which prove our ignorance to
> > > others.
> > >
> > > Dick, take the time when you write and think about these topic to
> > make distinctions that are truly meaningful and accurate and
> > > constructive. When you do that we will all be grateful for your
> > efforts.
> > >
> > > Leslie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:48 PM
> > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Leslie Schwartz
> > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:55 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Jew Baiting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for
> those
> > with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was
> > > going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have
> wanted
> > the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long
> > > time, but that is not why the event happened.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Leslie Schwartz, yes I am Jewish and if don't like it you know
> > what you can do about it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lets see Eastman prove just one if his hate based contentions,
> as
> > you said below, prove to us Eastman that no one of Jewish
> > > ethnicity or decent was killed in the 9/11/01 attack. If you can
> > prove that point Eastman then shut up and talk about what you can
> > > prove.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Leslie,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not in a position to prove that no one of Jewish ethnicity
> > or decent was killed in 9/11/01 attack. The sampling of names I
> > > have seen (e.g. the long series on WTC deaths biographies that
> thre
> > New York Times ran) showed very few Jewish names in my
> > > ampling -- not the high ratio of Jewish names I would expect for
> > New York City and the hub of finance and world trade. I do take
> > > the word of several sources on the internet that only two Israelis
> > died. But no proof that there were no Jews killed at WTC -- only
> > > indications that there were too few than one would expect.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Some of the greatest people in the world have been Jewish -- I
> > have known great acts of mercy and generosity by Jews -- paying
> > > for an operation for my brother, simply because he wanted to. My
> > favorite college professor -- my model of a good man -- is Jewish
> > > (Dr. Richard Glassman at LFC)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I often say "Jews" when the just discrimination would narrow
> that
> > to Mossad, or Zionists, or Neo-cons, or Likudniks -- or even
> > > more justly I should have narrowed it to this or that
> individual --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > so I am in the wrong -- but I am also mindful that I force Jews
> > to ask themselves -- "is he right about me?" "am I allowing
> > > myself to be a part of or to go along with what Eastman is
> pointing
> > out (Neo-con Zionist guilt for 9-11)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is a letter that will interest you:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, Al.
> > >
> > > Do you think 9-11 was an inside job?
> > >
> > > If so, do you think Zionist's in the White House, Pentagon,
> Israel
> > > had anything to do with it?
> > >
> > > Do you think their Zionism was a large part of their motivation?
> > >
> > > I answer "yes" to all three questions and I have what I think
> > > is ample proof of each point.
> > >
> > > I never claimed to be sane or to know what sanity is -- but I
> > > understand evidence and can reach the logical implications
> > > that follow from sufficiently complete evidence.
> > >
> > > Any time you want to discuss the message and what it is
> > > based on, rather than the messenger -- I will be happy to
> > > walk you through what I have found.
> > >
> > > Here is a sample:
> > >
> > > http://bedoper.com/eastman
> > >
> > > I trust you are still the great investigator you were when we
> > corresponded so long ago.
> > >
> > > Maybe in better -- saner -- times we will compare notes again.
> I
> > could only gain.
> > >
> > > Warm regards,
> > >
> > > Dick Eastman
> > > Yakima, Washinton
> > >
> > > P.S. as for the impotence of internet posting -- I am taken in
> > by chaos theory
> > > and that one-quintillion-to-one shot that I just may be the
> > little butterfly who
> > > could. flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap ... --DE
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <aelewis@>
> > > To: <foo@>; <anti-capitalism@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Cc: <Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:48 PM
> > > Subject: [A-C] Re: Joni Ferris nails self-important Jew hater
> > Dick Eastman
> > >
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Yes, Joni, it does seem that Dick has become a rabid Jew-hater
> > > over the past several years. It was not always so. I have
> observed
> > > his posts over many months on anti-capitalism, as well as long
> ago
> > > (5 years ago) on other lists. It seems that the stress of his
> life
> > > (which has been considerable), combined with a latent inner
> > > scapegoat-ism and perhaps xenophobia (characteristic of
> > > right-wingers), has precipitated a psychic degeneration into
> > > Paranoid Personality Disorder (see below) with a special
> > > Jew-hating spin.
> > >
> > > (Note that I say "Jew-hating" rather than "anti-semitic". The
> > > bigtime anti-semitism in the world today is amongst the
> Zionists,
> > > the "Christian" Zionists, and other muslim-haters. Jew-hating
> is a
> > > special, narrow type of anti-semitism which ought to be
> > > distinguished from its parent.)
> > >
> > > It seems that Dick, like G L Rockwell (founder of the American
> > > Nazi Party), has yielded to "the ageless impulse of men and
> women
> > > eaten by the disease of hatred to find a political expression or
> > > rationalization for their malady":
> > >
> > > . http://www.salon.com/books/review/1999/07/19/simonelli/ ---
> > > . "[Rockwell] drank too much, battled depression, was left by
> > > . several wives, became estranged from his family and spun
> > further
> > > . and further out of control; you'll wince at the passages in
> > which
> > > . his goodhearted brother and William F. Buckley, whom Rockwell
> > > . hounded, try to get him help. In the succinct summation from
> a
> > > . 1967 volume that that Simonelli cites, Rockwell gave in
> to 'the
> > > . ageless impulse of men and women eaten by the disease of
> > hatred to
> > > . find a political expression or rationalization for their
> > malady.'"
> > >
> > > I've watched this degeneration in several other people. Some of
> > > them were quite acute thinkers and great writers, until their
> > > deterioration set in. In some cases it is hard to account for
> it.
> > > Though in Dick's case it is not so hard; he has been quite open
> > > about the extreme stresses of his personal life. That, combined
> as
> > > I say with a latent tendency, has added up to his current
> > > relentless stream of semi-demented anti-Jewish ravings and
> > > screechings. The anti-capitalism yahoo list has become a
> cesspool,
> > > unfortunately -- and largely on his account. What we have here
> is
> > > the anti-capitalism of Goebbels and Himmler, sputtering barely
> > > coherently about Jewish bankers' conspiracies. (And yes, Jewish
> > > bankers ARE an important aspect of this mess; just that their
> > > badness does not inhere in their Jewishness.)
> > >
> > > There was something in me, years ago (circa 2001), that flashed
> a
> > > warning sign, and I removed Dick from my email list and
> generally
> > > cut off communication. Somehow I sensed what was to come. And it
> > > came! Oh, brother, did it come.
> > >
> > > The paranoia was evident in years past. For example, if a
> message
> > > of his was held up for a few hours, or just did not get through,
> > > he would immediately conclude that it was because "they" were
> out
> > > to get him, and were denying him access to the chat boards or
> > > whatever. Of course, it IS possible that "they" (the
> > > establishment) might shut down people who are saying things that
> > > they do not like. Indeed it has actually happened, and I expect
> > > that it will happen increasingly. But for someone with insight,
> it
> > > is very unlikely that "they" would so selectively target a
> single
> > > individual -- an individual with NO power, purchase or
> credibility
> > > in the circles where it counts. In other words, you'd have to
> be a
> > > tad nuts, or at least seriously lacking in insight, to think
> that
> > > "they" would go out of their way to shut you down when you are
> > > (pardon me) a pipsqueak ranter from Lower Bumfuck, Nebraska,
> > > posting on a list with 323 pipsqueak members like you and me.
> Yes,
> > > "they" exist -- and they don't give a good God Damn about
> > > Yahoo-group yahoos like us. Sorry.
> > >
> > > In charity, I will grant that the capitalist system generally
> does
> > > tend to make people crazy. The stress, combined with the toxic
> > > diet and outright environmental toxins, combined with the sense
> of
> > > powerlessness (based on the REALITY of powerlessness), combined
> > > with some personal bad breaks, can drive people nuts. Not hard
> to
> > > understand.
> > >
> > > And, perhaps Dick's personal degeneration was in some measure
> > > fueled by the actual (inexcusable) behavior of radical Zionists,
> > > Likudniks and the like, who persistently refuse to take
> > > responsibility, and who deny their (very real and not just
> > > incidental) role in the current mess. Witness the brouhaha just
> > > the last week or two over the Mearsheimer/Walt piece. The Israel
> > > lobby not only does not want to take any responsibility, it
> wants
> > > to deny its own existence! THAT can drive people nuts, too.
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > PS: Note that Paranoid Personality Disorder (below) is NOT
> > > paranoid psychosis, with loss of contact with reality.
> Personality
> > > disorders are characterized by a somewhat tenuous grasp of
> reality
> > > (shall we say: "creative" personal representations of it!) --
> not
> > > with a loss of contact with it. It is more of a personal
> > > mind-style than a "disease"; see Hofstader's fine article:
> > > The Paranoid Style in American Politics
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anti-capitalism/message/18977
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > >
> > > http://mentalhelp.net/disorders/sx37.htm
> > >
> > > Paranoid Personality Disorder
> > >
> > > A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that
> their
> > > motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early
> > > adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by
> > > four (or more) of the following:
> > >
> > > 1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are
> exploiting,
> > > harming, or deceiving him or her
> > >
> > > 2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or
> > > trustworthiness of friends or associates
> > >
> > > 3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear
> > > that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
> > >
> > > 4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign
> > > remarks or events
> > >
> > > 5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults,
> > > injuries, or slights
> > >
> > > 6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that
> > > are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to
> > > counterattack
> > >
> > > 7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding
> > > fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
> > >
> > > -----------------
> > >
> > > Criteria summarized from: American Psychiatric Association.
> > > (1994). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders,
> > > fourth edition. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric
> Association.
> > >
> > > -------------------------
> > >
> > > "From the standpoint of any sane person, the present problem of
> > > capitalist concentration is not only a question of law, but of
> > > criminal law, not to mention criminal lunacy." -- G K Chesterton
> > >
> > > "You will know you have spoken the truth when you are angrily
> > > denounced; and you will know you have spoken both truly and
> > > well when you are visited by the police." -- J B R Yant
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:24:18 -0400
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: U.S. Military "Almost in a State of Rebellion" Migrants Rush To Border
U.S. Military "Almost in a State of Rebellion" Migrants Rush To Border
Douglas Mills
4/12/2006
This morning James Carville appeared on the Today Show and claimed that
the United States military is near to "a state of rebellion". Perhaps
even more remarkable than the outlandish accusation was the fact that
Today host Matt Lauer was mum.
(Tell The Joint Chiefs of Staff that you agree with them here - That it
is time to immediately remove Bush / Cheney)
JCS Comment Form
Address:http://jcs.mil/jcs_comment.html
Any journalist worth his weight would salivate over such a
statement--demanding substantive evidence... Oh, that's right, this is
the Today Show, and the comments came from James Carville.
For the exclusive, NewsBusters report:
http://newsbusters.org/node/4856
Celebrating the protest marches of immigrants (many illegal) who are
demanding rights? That is what the "big three networks" did in their
coverage. In fact, CBS anchor Bob Schieffer, who never uttered the word
"illegal" in his introduction, instead championed Alex Vega who entered
our nation illegally 28 years ago, saying, "He's tired of living in the
shadows."
Schieffer and others completely ignored the law abiding citizens of the
U.S. who counter protested. Could it be the networks found the concept
of right and wrong confusing?
For the full NewsBusters story:
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Lauer Lays Low as Carville Claims U.S. Military "Almost in a State of
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http://newsbusters.org/node/4856
Conyers Ethics Troubles on CNN:
Will the Rest of the MSM Follow?:
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http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news
Robo-Jet Plan to Strike Iran --
Bush prepares unmanned attack over nukes 10 Apr 2006
The Pentagon has secret plans for a "remote control" blitz on Iran if it
does not comply with demands to curb its nuclear programme. Dozens of
targets, including nuclear complexes deep underground, would be
destroyed by bunker-busting cruise missiles. And assassinations of key
personnel working on the installations are planned using Hellfire
rockets fired from unmanned Predator planes. The Mirror learned details
of the plans yesterday as Foreign Secretary Jack Straw dismissed reports
that Iran will be attacked with nuclear weapons by the US... The three
day blitz was planned in the past six months by a small unit in the
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:12:16 -0700
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Uhhh… what did I say that gave that impression?
By the time I see this coming from you, I can no longer find the lies and
other things that were used to separate one persons comments from another’s.
Never mind, I’ll drop it. I’m not getting anywhere and now you think I am
doing 180 of what I have said. After all I posted, you get that I am calling
Zionism Judaism, when I am pointing out the differences.
Then the later post where you stated this:
“OH for CRYIN OUT LOUD! Do I have to spell it OUT?! Do you forget the
balfour declaration and the Rothschilds?! C'MON! But like I said the
Zionists are only a part of it. Just wait and see who will end up wanting
to be the big peacemaker for the mideast and rule from Jerusalem! wanna
guess?! remember the Crusades? Bush called the whore on terror a
""CRUSADE""! Think it was a coincedence? I am tellin you. keep a
watchful eye on ROME! two successful popes have now called for a New World
Order! also look into the p2 masonic lodge and its connection to the
vatican and the cia. PLEASE!”
I can’t figure out what it is that you are attacking me for. Your posts seem
to have noting to do with what I stated except to assume I have information
you have studied in depth.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Hammond
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:12 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Scott, PLEASE! Note that the distinction between Zionism and Judaism is
pointed out. One is NOT the other.
Kevin
Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzithero.com> wrote:
Sorry, in the deluge of all the reasons I hear to go to war, I
only saw a couple of e-mails from a few certain people claiming that the
Jewish Lobby and Israel wanted the US to go to war, they never responded or
were able to share where their source of information was from, so all I had
was their personal hearsay, that they got it from someone they trusted, as
hearsay and that they themselves were as trustworthy as the person who gave
them the hearsay, so there was no need for me to question anything they
passed along. That is, they couldn’t show me any independent data to show
that Israel and the Jewish Lobby screamed for the US to go to war, much less
any comments for this, in print. So I have just taken that as Jew Bashing,
happens all the time and a great many ludicrous things get dumped on those
of Jewish faith that maybe the Israel government may have wanted or tried to
do. Even though I haven’t been the slightest fan of the Israeli government
since the attack on the USS Liberty, that hasn’t colored my feelings for
individuals of Jewish faith.
When there are hard facts, I gladly accept them, links where I can do my own
research, not stuff like the gOlem sends out where all references go back to
other stuff he wrote.
So, if you have any hard facts, references I can read myself, that show that
the Jewish Lobby and the Israeli government actually pushed for the US to go
to war with countries that had no connection with the phantom 911 terrorists
(like the 7 Saudi’s… that are still alive, last seen in Saudi Arabia itself)
please share them. I make up my own mind. If this was a court of law and I
was a juror, I definitely couldn’t give the death penalty on what
information I have seen.
-
A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.
I don't understand that.
You are basing trace amounts of explosives, lets say C-4 since it is compact
and easy to transport. A van load of it wouldn’t have been enough to take
down all three of the WTC towers. Maybe one. No way the building could have
been rigged over night. Traditional demolition experts figured weeks in a
rush job, more likely months.
So, How it was used, was what was found in their van of a composition that
could have made steel turn molten and remain in a liquid form for days
later?
To turn this ‘suspect’ evidence into some scientific fact, you’d have to
know if what they had, could have caused the results we saw and fit in with
the data we have gathered.
As far as Faux News, I have no idea if they were one of the three stations I
watched most that morning, from about 8 minutes after the first plane hit, I
watched live newscasts, but Faux News, they are professional revisionist
story tellers, their news is to get their advertisers money, not to tell the
truth, in my personal opinion, they are trying to take the national Enquirer
’s business away. Their credibility ain’t worth the airwaves they broadcast
over.
They are my local station, I know first hand what they report and what they
rewrite. They turn peace marches into riots, when no such thing ever
happened.
What they showed on the 6 PM news (Pacific time) didn’t even compare with
what I saw that morning between 8 AM and noon my time. Might have just
reported on something in a book of Fiction and called it truth. All they got
right was that a great many people died and that a great many people were in
shock.
I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place (One of the Towers) about construction work that had gone on there for
the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
I don't understand that either
I have been told, by someone that worked in the WTC towers for years, that
there was construction going on for several months before 9/11 and no one
knew what it was, much of it was after hours.
I use to be a building demolition junkie, I’ve seen hundreds of film clips
on this, I seen more than a few in person.
Fire didn’t take down the WTC towers, explosives as in a demolition did.
I have friends that are pilots, they referred me to several buildings that
jet liners had hit and then I researched those thoroughly. I researched to
see how many steel structure buildings had fallen from airplane hits and the
resulting fires. ZERO. I looked to see how many steel structured buildings I
could find that had fallen due to fires, maybe there was more ‘interesting
footage’ like the three WTC towers. ZERO, no other steel structure building
has ever fallen from a fire even one induced by crashing a jet liner into
it.
Yet I have seen a great many buildings demolished and what I saw that
morning, I was sure was a demolition job. After my research, I couldn’t only
imagine how far off I was thinking of how blood thirsty those who pulled
this off were.
I and my X wife read everything we could on the WTC towers after our
daughter started work there, about 1998, we both were independently aware
that in the original articles of impeachment for Clinton one of the articles
was that a private plane had made it into NYC airspace, 12.5 minutes or
something like that, and that was the only instance of the 10 minute
response time having been violated in 12 years, before that it was a 12
minute response time, until 9/11/01 when it was closer to 1 hour and 43
minutes.
Unfortunately, for my curiosity, to maintain her security clearance, my
daughter can’t talk about anything other than her emotions that day. If you
have ever worked a federal government job, if you’ve ever been a civilian
whose company did contracts for the Government, you’ll understand her
position and why I never pushed her for any other details.
We know Cheney ordered the Colonel at Norad to stand down. We know that with
an inter office memo that Bush transferred the power that congress had given
to the president and the President only, to his Vice President, Dick Cheney.
We now know that Cheney was in charge of Norad that morning. Of course no
one needed to get GW to safety, it was an inside job. That is data, those
are things that can be found again and again in internet searches, facts
that can be verified, many articles written about them plus Cheney direction
Norad is in the 911 Commission report. They fucking aren’t afraid of those
that do research, they control all the information superhighway except the
internet and who knows if we have days or years left there.
I happened to be one of the few people who saw the live interview of the
Colonel, I heard it was under national security just like the half dozen
videos of what ever hit the pentagon. Yup, so my word is now hearsay. But
the 911 commission report telling about Cheney ordering the Norad
controllers to stand down, not once, but three times, that data is there for
those who dig.
I haven’t researched the nitty gritty details that so many others have, I
have researched what I saw and heard in 4 hours that morning watching 2
different TV’s and all I can find is that it is a darker more sinister
picture than I thought that morning.
Se that light at the end of the tunnel over there?
That is the door to the slaughter house.
Follow the sheepeople, follow stuff that you can’t verify as truth yourself
and that is where you are headed.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:26 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11 is
Israel?
Iraq and Iran are/were the two biggest threats to the state of
Israel's existence. The Jewish lobby and the Israeli government
screamed loudest for the war
I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
Carlyle group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I
am looking at the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World
health Organization.
Yes, American criminals benefited too. Americans also helped with
9/11 they deserved some payback, don't you think ?
Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
when you say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA,
and 5 men with a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is
suspect but….
It's white hot suspect, absolutely correct, couldn't be much hotter.
Israeli spies selling paintings were found to have addresses close to
the hijackers, this was reported on Fox news.
A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.
I don't understand that.
I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
I don't understand that either
Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
interviewed just after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that
his superior ordered him to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes
unless given further orders.
Really, I didn't hear that.
Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
undisclosed place was the control room of Norad, as his control
amounted to continually telling the operators there to let the
aircraft through, to issue to warnings to the apparent targets and
especially to not let any of our armed aircraft into the air that
might interfere.
Yes I understood that.
I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want to
be present at the execution.
Cheney isn't even an israeli citizen, he's actually American. he is a
neocon and a member of the PNAC, both predominantly Jewish in
character.
Scott
Eric
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@...>
wrote:
>
> Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11
is
> Israel?
>
> I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
Carlyle
> group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I am
looking at
> the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World health
Organization.
>
> Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
when you
> say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA, and 5
men with
> a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is suspect but…. A van
full of
> C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as controlled
> demolition.
>
> I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their
work place
> about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous
> months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully,
> separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
>
> Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
interviewed just
> after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that his superior
ordered him
> to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes unless given further
orders.
>
> Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
undisclosed
> place was the control room of Norad, as his control amounted to
continually
> telling the operators there to let the aircraft through, to issue to
> warnings to the apparent targets and especially to not let any of
our armed
> aircraft into the air that might interfere.
>
> I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want
to be
> present at the execution.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:39 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
>
> It does matter if five Mossad agents were caught red handed
> celebrating the collapse of the towers with traces of explosives in
> their van. They failed several lie detector tests and the boss of
the
> company fled to Israel. The fact that an Israeli company was warned
> before the attacks matters too.
>
> The main beneficiary of the Iraq war was Israel and the only
> beneficiary of the racist war on terror is Israel. It matters.
>
>
>
> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie Schwartz"
> <lhs_emf@> wrote:
> >
> > For anyone who actually cares about the truth to this continuing
> misinformation being promoted here again by Eastman, (Eastman:
> > essentially "my sampling - few Jews killed at the WTC 9/11/01")
> check out the following.
> >
> > Here is a list of the names of those who died in the WTC. As a
Jew,
> I know what names are likely Jewish and which are not. I am not
> > going to go thru all of them one by one and tell you which are
> which. If you have been around a bit you will know on your own.
> >
> > Highlight the names to see the full name, very roughly at least
1/3
> (conservatively) are Jewish.
> >
> > http://www.9-11heroes.us/victims-world-trade-center.php
> >
> > Here is another discussion of this issue, with more links and an
> analysis of the misinformation Eastman continues to spew. The
> > estimate here is between 400 - 500 people of Jewish decent died in
> the WTC towers on 9/11/01. There are a series of articles
> > debunking these lies via this link.
> >
> > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=331277
> >
> > Moreover this issue, the tragedy which 9/11 is and represents does
> not have a dam thing to do with who is Jewish and who is not or
> > how the events occurred or why they occurred again has nothing to
> do with Jews or Jewishness or Israel, or American Jews, or French
> > Jews, or German Jews, etc. As I told you before its about money
and
> power. AGAIN, if you really want to have the background history
> > to understand this event read John Loftus, read Webster Tarpley.
> Educate yourself, don't be lazy, don't indulge in your prejudices.
> > Learn that lesson and it will take you a long way in life. That is
> the most important lesson anyone can take from this discussion.
> >
> > Dick, if you really cared about the truth you would investigate
the
> truth about it and stop the lies. Are you admitting now below to
> > laziness' rather than hatred? If that is your excuse, then ask
> yourself if that is the standard you really want to live by and use
> > as a guide for your efforts in this or any or important study when
> you communicate with others about the important issues they
> > should be aware of. You could not prove your assertion on this
> issue but yet you repeated it again. What conclusion are we to draw
> > from that I wonder?
> >
> > Your statements have been shameful, stupid and most of all wrong.
> You ought to know that Jewish people like myself love this country
> > as much as you do and we fight and die for it and have done so
> throughout its history, and we devote ourselves to this country as
> > much as you obviously think you do.
> >
> > But there is one big difference between all of us (who are
rational
> and concerned) and you, as one of a group of haters who have
> > been writing in this caliber of trash to this message board. We
> don't call people names based on race or religion, we don't make up
> > stupid theories about history based on simpleton ideas and
> misinformation. We have learned the hard way not to keep hate in
our
> > hearts and we have learned just how thoughtless and dangerous it
is
> to go about life that way. We have seen the results and we don't
> > want to see them again, no matter who the victim might be next
> time. We take the time to learn and to understand and to be as
> > accurate and honest with ourselves and others as we can be and if
> we do not know the truth we research it honestly and keep our
> > mouths shut until we do know the truth, rather than go about
> repeatedly making baseless statements which prove our ignorance to
> > others.
> >
> > Dick, take the time when you write and think about these topic to
> make distinctions that are truly meaningful and accurate and
> > constructive. When you do that we will all be grateful for your
> efforts.
> >
> > Leslie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:48 PM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting
> >
> >
> > From: Leslie Schwartz
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Jew Baiting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for
those
> with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was
> > going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have
wanted
> the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long
> > time, but that is not why the event happened.
> >
> >
> >
> > Leslie Schwartz, yes I am Jewish and if don't like it you know
> what you can do about it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lets see Eastman prove just one if his hate based contentions,
as
> you said below, prove to us Eastman that no one of Jewish
> > ethnicity or decent was killed in the 9/11/01 attack. If you can
> prove that point Eastman then shut up and talk about what you can
> > prove.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Leslie,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not in a position to prove that no one of Jewish ethnicity
> or decent was killed in 9/11/01 attack. The sampling of names I
> > have seen (e.g. the long series on WTC deaths biographies that
thre
> New York Times ran) showed very few Jewish names in my
> > ampling -- not the high ratio of Jewish names I would expect for
> New York City and the hub of finance and world trade. I do take
> > the word of several sources on the internet that only two Israelis
> died. But no proof that there were no Jews killed at WTC -- only
> > indications that there were too few than one would expect.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some of the greatest people in the world have been Jewish -- I
> have known great acts of mercy and generosity by Jews -- paying
> > for an operation for my brother, simply because he wanted to. My
> favorite college professor -- my model of a good man -- is Jewish
> > (Dr. Richard Glassman at LFC)
> >
> >
> >
> > I often say "Jews" when the just discrimination would narrow
that
> to Mossad, or Zionists, or Neo-cons, or Likudniks -- or even
> > more justly I should have narrowed it to this or that
individual --
> >
> >
> >
> > so I am in the wrong -- but I am also mindful that I force Jews
> to ask themselves -- "is he right about me?" "am I allowing
> > myself to be a part of or to go along with what Eastman is
pointing
> out (Neo-con Zionist guilt for 9-11)
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is a letter that will interest you:
> >
> >
> >
> > =================
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello, Al.
> >
> > Do you think 9-11 was an inside job?
> >
> > If so, do you think Zionist's in the White House, Pentagon,
Israel
> > had anything to do with it?
> >
> > Do you think their Zionism was a large part of their motivation?
> >
> > I answer "yes" to all three questions and I have what I think
> > is ample proof of each point.
> >
> > I never claimed to be sane or to know what sanity is -- but I
> > understand evidence and can reach the logical implications
> > that follow from sufficiently complete evidence.
> >
> > Any time you want to discuss the message and what it is
> > based on, rather than the messenger -- I will be happy to
> > walk you through what I have found.
> >
> > Here is a sample:
> >
> > http://bedoper.com/eastman
> >
> > I trust you are still the great investigator you were when we
> corresponded so long ago.
> >
> > Maybe in better -- saner -- times we will compare notes again.
I
> could only gain.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washinton
> >
> > P.S. as for the impotence of internet posting -- I am taken in
> by chaos theory
> > and that one-quintillion-to-one shot that I just may be the
> little butterfly who
> > could. flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap ... --DE
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <aelewis@>
> > To: <foo@>; <anti-capitalism@yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: <Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:48 PM
> > Subject: [A-C] Re: Joni Ferris nails self-important Jew hater
> Dick Eastman
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Yes, Joni, it does seem that Dick has become a rabid Jew-hater
> > over the past several years. It was not always so. I have
observed
> > his posts over many months on anti-capitalism, as well as long
ago
> > (5 years ago) on other lists. It seems that the stress of his
life
> > (which has been considerable), combined with a latent inner
> > scapegoat-ism and perhaps xenophobia (characteristic of
> > right-wingers), has precipitated a psychic degeneration into
> > Paranoid Personality Disorder (see below) with a special
> > Jew-hating spin.
> >
> > (Note that I say "Jew-hating" rather than "anti-semitic". The
> > bigtime anti-semitism in the world today is amongst the
Zionists,
> > the "Christian" Zionists, and other muslim-haters. Jew-hating
is a
> > special, narrow type of anti-semitism which ought to be
> > distinguished from its parent.)
> >
> > It seems that Dick, like G L Rockwell (founder of the American
> > Nazi Party), has yielded to "the ageless impulse of men and
women
> > eaten by the disease of hatred to find a political expression or
> > rationalization for their malady":
> >
> > . http://www.salon.com/books/review/1999/07/19/simonelli/ ---
> > . "[Rockwell] drank too much, battled depression, was left by
> > . several wives, became estranged from his family and spun
> further
> > . and further out of control; you'll wince at the passages in
> which
> > . his goodhearted brother and William F. Buckley, whom Rockwell
> > . hounded, try to get him help. In the succinct summation from
a
> > . 1967 volume that that Simonelli cites, Rockwell gave in
to 'the
> > . ageless impulse of men and women eaten by the disease of
> hatred to
> > . find a political expression or rationalization for their
> malady.'"
> >
> > I've watched this degeneration in several other people. Some of
> > them were quite acute thinkers and great writers, until their
> > deterioration set in. In some cases it is hard to account for
it.
> > Though in Dick's case it is not so hard; he has been quite open
> > about the extreme stresses of his personal life. That, combined
as
> > I say with a latent tendency, has added up to his current
> > relentless stream of semi-demented anti-Jewish ravings and
> > screechings. The anti-capitalism yahoo list has become a
cesspool,
> > unfortunately -- and largely on his account. What we have here
is
> > the anti-capitalism of Goebbels and Himmler, sputtering barely
> > coherently about Jewish bankers' conspiracies. (And yes, Jewish
> > bankers ARE an important aspect of this mess; just that their
> > badness does not inhere in their Jewishness.)
> >
> > There was something in me, years ago (circa 2001), that flashed
a
> > warning sign, and I removed Dick from my email list and
generally
> > cut off communication. Somehow I sensed what was to come. And it
> > came! Oh, brother, did it come.
> >
> > The paranoia was evident in years past. For example, if a
message
> > of his was held up for a few hours, or just did not get through,
> > he would immediately conclude that it was because "they" were
out
> > to get him, and were denying him access to the chat boards or
> > whatever. Of course, it IS possible that "they" (the
> > establishment) might shut down people who are saying things that
> > they do not like. Indeed it has actually happened, and I expect
> > that it will happen increasingly. But for someone with insight,
it
> > is very unlikely that "they" would so selectively target a
single
> > individual -- an individual with NO power, purchase or
credibility
> > in the circles where it counts. In other words, you'd have to
be a
> > tad nuts, or at least seriously lacking in insight, to think
that
> > "they" would go out of their way to shut you down when you are
> > (pardon me) a pipsqueak ranter from Lower Bumfuck, Nebraska,
> > posting on a list with 323 pipsqueak members like you and me.
Yes,
> > "they" exist -- and they don't give a good God Damn about
> > Yahoo-group yahoos like us. Sorry.
> >
> > In charity, I will grant that the capitalist system generally
does
> > tend to make people crazy. The stress, combined with the toxic
> > diet and outright environmental toxins, combined with the sense
of
> > powerlessness (based on the REALITY of powerlessness), combined
> > with some personal bad breaks, can drive people nuts. Not hard
to
> > understand.
> >
> > And, perhaps Dick's personal degeneration was in some measure
> > fueled by the actual (inexcusable) behavior of radical Zionists,
> > Likudniks and the like, who persistently refuse to take
> > responsibility, and who deny their (very real and not just
> > incidental) role in the current mess. Witness the brouhaha just
> > the last week or two over the Mearsheimer/Walt piece. The Israel
> > lobby not only does not want to take any responsibility, it
wants
> > to deny its own existence! THAT can drive people nuts, too.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > PS: Note that Paranoid Personality Disorder (below) is NOT
> > paranoid psychosis, with loss of contact with reality.
Personality
> > disorders are characterized by a somewhat tenuous grasp of
reality
> > (shall we say: "creative" personal representations of it!) --
not
> > with a loss of contact with it. It is more of a personal
> > mind-style than a "disease"; see Hofstader's fine article:
> > The Paranoid Style in American Politics
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anti-capitalism/message/18977
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
> > http://mentalhelp.net/disorders/sx37.htm
> >
> > Paranoid Personality Disorder
> >
> > A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that
their
> > motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early
> > adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by
> > four (or more) of the following:
> >
> > 1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are
exploiting,
> > harming, or deceiving him or her
> >
> > 2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or
> > trustworthiness of friends or associates
> >
> > 3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear
> > that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
> >
> > 4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign
> > remarks or events
> >
> > 5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults,
> > injuries, or slights
> >
> > 6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that
> > are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to
> > counterattack
> >
> > 7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding
> > fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
> >
> > -----------------
> >
> > Criteria summarized from: American Psychiatric Association.
> > (1994). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders,
> > fourth edition. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric
Association.
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > "From the standpoint of any sane person, the present problem of
> > capitalist concentration is not only a question of law, but of
> > criminal law, not to mention criminal lunacy." -- G K Chesterton
> >
> > "You will know you have spoken the truth when you are angrily
> > denounced; and you will know you have spoken both truly and
> > well when you are visited by the police." -- J B R Yant
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:56:03 -0000
From: "mojo_j_2000" <mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: ++++++ Physicist says heat substance felled WTC ++++++
Physicist says heat substance felled WTC
Susan Dean – Deseret Morning News April 10, 2006
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=4386
Brigham Young University physicist said he now believes an
incendiary substance called thermite, bolstered by sulfur, was used
to generate exceptionally hot fires at the World Trade Center on
9/11, causing the structural steel to fail and the buildings to
collapse.
"It looks like thermite with sulfur added, which really is a very
clever idea," Steven Jones, professor of physics at BYU, told a
meeting of the Utah Academy of Science, Arts and Letters at Snow
College Friday.
The government requires standard explosives to contain tag elements
enabling them to be traced back to their manufacturers. But no tags
are required in aluminum and iron oxide, the materials used to make
thermite, he said. Nor, he said, are tags required in sulfur.
Jones is co-chairman, with James H. Fetzer, a distinguished
professor of philosophy at the University of Minnesota of Scholars
for 9/11 Truth, a group of college faculty members who believe
conspirators other than pilots of the planes were directly involved
in bringing down New York's Trade Towers.
The group, which Jones said has 200 members, maintains a Web site at
www.st911.org. A 40-page paper by Jones, along with other peer-
reviewed and non-reviewed academic papers, are posted on the site.
Last year, Jones presented various arguments for his theory that
explosives or incendiary devices were planted in the Trade Towers,
and in WTC 7, a smaller building in the Trade Center complex, and
that those materials, not planes crashing into the buildings, caused
the buildings to collapse.
At that time, he mentioned thermite as the possible explosive or
incendiary agent. But Friday, he said he is increasingly convinced
that thermite and sulfur were the root causes of the 9/11 disaster.
He told college professors and graduate students from throughout
Utah gathered for the academy meeting that while almost no fire,
even one ignited by jet fuel, can cause structural steel to fail,
the combination of thermite and sulfur "slices through steel like a
hot knife through butter."
He ticked off several pieces of evidence for his thermite fire
theory:
First, he said, video showed a yellow, molten substance splashing
off the side of the south Trade Tower about 50 minutes after an
airplane hit it and a few minutes before it collapsed. Government
investigators ruled out the possibility of melting steel being the
source of the material because of the unlikelihood of steel melting.
The investigators said the molten material must have been aluminum
from the plane.
But, said Jones, molten aluminum is silvery. It never turns yellow.
The substance observed in the videos "just isn't aluminum," he said.
But, he said, thermite can cause steel to melt and become yellowish.
Second, he cited video pictures showing white ash rising from the
south tower near the dripping, liquefied metal. When thermite burns,
Jones said, it releases aluminum-oxide ash. The presence of both
yellow-white molten iron and aluminum oxide ash "are signature
characteristics of a thermite reaction," he said.
Another item of evidence, Jones said, is the fact that sulfur traces
were found in structural steel recovered from the Trade Towers.
Jones quoted the New York Times as saying sulfidization in the
recovered steel was "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the
(official) investigation." But, he said, sulfidization fits the
theory that sulfur was combined with thermite to make the thermite
burn even hotter than it ordinarily would.
Jones said a piece of building wreckage had a gray substance on the
outside that at one point had obviously been a dripping molten metal
or liquid. He said that after thermite turns steel or iron into a
molten form, and the metal hardens, it is gray.
He added that pools of molten metal were found beneath both trade
towers and the 47-story WTC 7. That fact, he said, was never
discussed in official investigation reports.
And even though WTC 7 was not connected to the Trade Towers — in
fact, there was another building between it and the towers —and even
though it was never hit by a plane, it collapsed. That suggests, he
said, that it came down because a thermite fire caused its
structural steel to fail.
Jones said his studies are confined to physical causes of the
collapses, and he doesn't like to speculate about who might have
entered the buildings and placed thermite and sulfur. But he said 10
to 20 people "in the know," plus other people who didn't know what
they were doing but did what they were told, could have placed
incendiary packages over several weeks.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635198488,00.html
Also see:
Y. professor thinks bombs, not planes, felled WTC
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3808
Watch Your Back Professor!
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3814
B.Y.U. professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4100
Last updated 12/04/2006
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:47:26 -0500
From: "Leslie Schwartz" <lhs_emf@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: Fw: Jew Baiting
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:45 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting
I know these questions were addressed to John, however ...
----- Original Message -----
From: Leslie Schwartz
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting
1) I believe we have to confirm that the explosive powder found on their persons or in their van were the same as the
special thermite which is now being reported as having the power to bring the buildings down.
This is true, although keep in mind the drivers of the van are still an item of interest -- even if the dogs had smelled nothing.
They are all absolutely of interest. Someone who keeps track of these characters does know who they are and what sort of operation
involvement they have had in previous covert activities. This is part of what we need to find out.
2) I believe in another statement I agreed that mossad could have been operationally involved, but also
noted
3) I am sure you or no other sane person would assert that mossad could order the US Air defenses to stand down, or create
FEMA camouflaged helicopters flying off US Navy ships which participated in the operation, or etc. So whom ever was involved it goes
well beyond mossad.
Absolutely true -- it was a cooperative venture, different payoffs for different participants -- but a network had to have
pre-existed to permit coming together and trusting each other in the venture -- I think it would have to be something that we know
by two aspects -- the Israel Lobby and Israeli intelligence -- putting their people in key positions in the US organization
charts -- the 9-11 conspiracy ran on tracks already laid.
I think you have to be very careful here. Because of compartmentalism. It does not seem likely to me at all that anyone of
prominence in the Israeli lobby would have anything to do with this operation, it would a very careless act and I don't think they
would be that stupid. The Israelis can get any number of people here into the US they do not have a lack of resources in the US. I
do not believe that dual citizen people like some of the neocons who have important positions in the US government or US civilian
defense are likely to have any operational role at all - even if some factions in Israel did have some large or small involvement.
Also remember that the paymaster for the patsy hijackers was a Pakistani General, who came to the US motivated by a conflict
between the US and Pakistan, came to the US with big cash, met with the Bush Administration and left on very good terms with them,
he also arranged to get the money available to the patsies.
When it comes to operations these people are going to use third parties and thugs for hire and will prefer to have people doing
things as much as possible who do not know or care who is pulling the strings.
Also the focus on the Israelis is a distraction. The Israelis have a motive because of their concerns about security in the middle
east. But there are lots of other organizations with equally strong motive.
But there are a number of powerful factions with the resources to pull something like this off like the oil industry, the oil
construction - service industry, financial backers of the arms industry, the arms/weapons industry themselves, international
financers of the world central banks, etc.
4) Just the fact that they were released so quickly shows that some agencies of the US government were involved
agree
5) Recall that just a few days after the event Bush went to CIA headquarters and in a large gathering in their lobby was met
by cheers and jubilance among the entire crowd in attendance – what did they have to cheer about?
yes men don't need good reasons to cheer -- but I see your point
If my job were to protect the US from all enemies foreign and domestic, I don't see how I could have been jubilant on that day,
they clearly were, they apparently felt they had achieved something significant. And the people in the lobby likely were not your
typical gum shoe CIA agent, which we have lots of evidence were trying their absolute best to get the facts out and responded to,
but they met with deliberate obfuscation and pigeonholing and abandonment of the information they diligently uncovered about the
operational acts which would have tipped off the entire effort.- by their managers due to orders coming from high up in the CIA, but
the cover up and obfuscate effort was well disbursed in the organization.
6) If you have specific proof that mossad was the single agency carrying out this attack, please present that information.
I don't -- we have rouge elements in the secret services in commanding one-way-control positions -- international (organized
crime) interests (viewing them as mafias might be helpful -- including a Jewish mafia with Zionist tatoos as well as whatever
Mafias Bush and Cheney are) with their octopus arms
I have no doubt whatsoever that a Jewish mafia exists. If they are Zionists, from my perspective that is irrelevant. Their lives
are about crime, international crime, not about Zionism which in my view is not an international crime, and I am aware that some
people here feel that Zionism IS an international crime. I respect that opinion and I am not focused on that issue here. My comments
are really about trying to find out reliable information about who pulled off this operation, there will be thugs and dupes at the
bottom and string pullers and paymasters and planners at the other levels. There will be dirty people who need to keep their facade
of respectability. All of this is germane to our research, but I think we have to try to leave behind the extraneous issues that may
anger us about how some previous historical events or conditions have developed, in order to see THIS event clearly enough to get
the facts.
7) My statement below taken by itself seems to deny mossad operational involvement and I do not believe that, I was speaking
or writing inaccurately when I wrote that statement below.
Would you say that if Sharon was involved, that Mossad would have had to have been involved also?
No, again there would be a significant implementation of compartmentalism, so I would not make any assumption like that.
And what do we mean by "involved" Leslie? Nico Haupt invented the terms LIHOP and MIHOP -- but I have always argued that LIHOP is
impossible, both for the U.S. government and for Israel (and Britain) -- because somewhere along the line routine intelligence
would have had to have been kept from performing its duty (i.e., an active standdown -- an active decision on Israel's (Mossad's
bosses')
part to not interfere -- not not make public -- to go along with the American government's MIHOP decisions.
Some faction of organized people made it happen even if you believe the US government let it happen (I don't). Personally I think
there is enough evidence to show that some agencies of the US government were so deeply involved that it had to be a make it happen
operation from their perspective as well. Some parts of some US agencies may have been operating LIH, some MIH, and the same for
specific individuals within those operations depending on their operational role, or their lack of an assigned operational role.
Even the CIA had people working their hardest to stop it from happening, so it is an over simplification to attempt to paint the
entire US government or even an entire US agency with the MIH, LIH tag.
Have you seen the article that I put out from Peter Meyers describing how Mossad may have infiltrated and guided the hijackers --
so that they had more of an active role in planning and motivating the attack that anyone anywhere in Afganistan etc.?
No I would like to see it.
8) Oddly enough for me when I was living in California I bough some paintings from that group of Israelis – they came to my
house showed me their offerings and I bought a few without having any idea who they really were or what they were about.
Oh wow. Did the paintings have merit? What school of painting? How did they represent themselves -- why were they selling?
How do you know it was the same group? How did the contact for the sale come about? Were they strictly salesmen or did they strike
up a coversation about themselves, Israel etc. Roughly when did you buy the paintings? None of my business, I know -- but it
doesn't hurt to ask.
The paintings were copies of very popular well known pieces, and the styles varied quite a bit but they were good copies. The
names of artists and works are not accessible at this moment. They the sellers clearly were Israelis, they said so and they said
they were selling paintings to finance their travels and school work - educations. No extraneous conversation, nothing sinister from
my perspective, nothing that caused me to suspect them of being anything but what they claimed to be. To the best of my recollection
this would have been in spring of 2001, but I am not certain of this and I honestly could be off a bit as to the date, could have
even been the late fall before
My point for mentioning this is that sometimes an innocent contact or relationship is simply that and nothing more.
Leslie
Dick Eastman
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jolly Roger
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:49 AM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting
Leslie -- I think they were a bit more than just an audience -- their van tested positive for explosive residue, and the entire
Mossad-front moving company they belonged to immediately disappeared back to Israel. A bit strange if they were just there to watch.
Leslie Schwartz <lhs_emf@pacbell.net> wrote:
Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for those with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was
going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have wanted the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long
time, but that is not why the event happened
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:52:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION
I just read the history of the Rothchilds at your site, Kev -- excellent article.
Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote: i have been negligent to welcome all of the new members that have joined over the last month. Welcome to the group! And checkout my website when you get a chance and watch some of my shows! www.fightthenwo.org
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
"as if any self respecting individual is going to hide the fact they are Jewish"
I personally know three otherwise self-respecting people who have tried to hide the fact that they are Jewish, and this is out of a total of about 6 or 8 Jews that I know.
Leslie Schwartz <lhs_emf@pacbell.net> wrote:
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I have seen a number of messages on this message board NOT making that distinction, and in fact lumping together, Jews, Zionists, Neocons, mossad, Judaism, Israelis, Ashkenazi Jews, the Rothschild’s, the illuminati, the Rockefellers, the Warburg’s, PNAC, the CFR, the etc. and etc., and mentioning specific high profile people who may fall within one or more of those categories. I also recall some hater using the term “crypto-Jews” on this message board as if any self respecting individual is going to hide the fact they are Jewish becomes THAT writer hates Jews. This is delusional and it is offensive.
When necessary and accurate distinctions are not made and a message goes out which obviously has some emotion, even anger over the events associated with 9/11/01 (emotion which is otherwise understandable) it is an ugly thing to read, its racist, its UN-AMERICAN and I personally do not think it helps anyone to understand these events or how we can constructively respond to the overall situation.
If you want to be taken seriously and treated with respect for your research and comments, you should know that is not going to be the response when you basically write everything bad that happens in this world is one kind of flavor of the month “Jewish conspiracy” by one name or another.
If you make the sufficient and accurate distinctions and make a sincere effort to report only what you have verified to be factual you will not hear any complaints about it. If you don’t have proof and only have a theory then say that, and when your making broad accusations about the actions, motives and future plans of groups or categories of people chances are your going to have to account for that uncertainty in your statement, otherwise its an accusation without sufficient proof and it will again cause people to distrust your motives and good-will.
Leslie
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From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hammond
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:12 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Scott, PLEASE! Note that the distinction between Zionism and Judaism is pointed out. One is NOT the other.
Kevin
Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzithero.com> wrote:
Sorry, in the deluge of all the reasons I hear to go to war, I only saw a couple of e-mails from a few certain people claiming that the Jewish Lobby and Israel wanted the US to go to war, they never responded or were able to share where their source of information was from, so all I had was their personal hearsay, that they got it from someone they trusted, as hearsay and that they themselves were as trustworthy as the person who gave them the hearsay, so there was no need for me to question anything they passed along. That is, they couldn’t show me any independent data to show that Israel and the Jewish Lobby screamed for the US to go to war, much less any comments for this, in print. So I have just taken that as Jew Bashing, happens all the time and a great many ludicrous things get dumped on those of Jewish faith that maybe the Israel government may have wanted or tried to do. Even though I haven’t been the slightest fan of the Israeli government since the
attack on the USS Liberty, that hasn’t colored my feelings for individuals of Jewish faith.
When there are hard facts, I gladly accept them, links where I can do my own research, not stuff like the gOlem sends out where all references go back to other stuff he wrote.
So, if you have any hard facts, references I can read myself, that show that the Jewish Lobby and the Israeli government actually pushed for the US to go to war with countries that had no connection with the phantom 911 terrorists (like the 7 Saudi’s… that are still alive, last seen in Saudi Arabia itself) please share them. I make up my own mind. If this was a court of law and I was a juror, I definitely couldn’t give the death penalty on what information I have seen.
-
A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.
I don't understand that.
You are basing trace amounts of explosives, lets say C-4 since it is compact and easy to transport. A van load of it wouldn’t have been enough to take down all three of the WTC towers. Maybe one. No way the building could have been rigged over night. Traditional demolition experts figured weeks in a rush job, more likely months.
So, How it was used, was what was found in their van of a composition that could have made steel turn molten and remain in a liquid form for days later?
To turn this ‘suspect’ evidence into some scientific fact, you’d have to know if what they had, could have caused the results we saw and fit in with the data we have gathered.
As far as Faux News, I have no idea if they were one of the three stations I watched most that morning, from about 8 minutes after the first plane hit, I watched live newscasts, but Faux News, they are professional revisionist story tellers, their news is to get their advertisers money, not to tell the truth, in my personal opinion, they are trying to take the national Enquirer’s business away. Their credibility ain’t worth the airwaves they broadcast over.
They are my local station, I know first hand what they report and what they rewrite. They turn peace marches into riots, when no such thing ever happened.
What they showed on the 6 PM news (Pacific time) didn’t even compare with what I saw that morning between 8 AM and noon my time. Might have just reported on something in a book of Fiction and called it truth. All they got right was that a great many people died and that a great many people were in shock.
I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place (One of the Towers) about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
I don't understand that either
I have been told, by someone that worked in the WTC towers for years, that there was construction going on for several months before 9/11 and no one knew what it was, much of it was after hours.
I use to be a building demolition junkie, I’ve seen hundreds of film clips on this, I seen more than a few in person.
Fire didn’t take down the WTC towers, explosives as in a demolition did.
I have friends that are pilots, they referred me to several buildings that jet liners had hit and then I researched those thoroughly. I researched to see how many steel structure buildings had fallen from airplane hits and the resulting fires. ZERO. I looked to see how many steel structured buildings I could find that had fallen due to fires, maybe there was more ‘interesting footage’ like the three WTC towers. ZERO, no other steel structure building has ever fallen from a fire even one induced by crashing a jet liner into it.
Yet I have seen a great many buildings demolished and what I saw that morning, I was sure was a demolition job. After my research, I couldn’t only imagine how far off I was thinking of how blood thirsty those who pulled this off were.
I and my X wife read everything we could on the WTC towers after our daughter started work there, about 1998, we both were independently aware that in the original articles of impeachment for Clinton one of the articles was that a private plane had made it into NYC airspace, 12.5 minutes or something like that, and that was the only instance of the 10 minute response time having been violated in 12 years, before that it was a 12 minute response time, until 9/11/01 when it was closer to 1 hour and 43 minutes.
Unfortunately, for my curiosity, to maintain her security clearance, my daughter can’t talk about anything other than her emotions that day. If you have ever worked a federal government job, if you’ve ever been a civilian whose company did contracts for the Government, you’ll understand her position and why I never pushed her for any other details.
We know Cheney ordered the Colonel at Norad to stand down. We know that with an inter office memo that Bush transferred the power that congress had given to the president and the President only, to his Vice President, Dick Cheney. We now know that Cheney was in charge of Norad that morning. Of course no one needed to get GW to safety, it was an inside job. That is data, those are things that can be found again and again in internet searches, facts that can be verified, many articles written about them plus Cheney direction Norad is in the 911 Commission report. They fucking aren’t afraid of those that do research, they control all the information superhighway except the internet and who knows if we have days or years left there.
I happened to be one of the few people who saw the live interview of the Colonel, I heard it was under national security just like the half dozen videos of what ever hit the pentagon. Yup, so my word is now hearsay. But the 911 commission report telling about Cheney ordering the Norad controllers to stand down, not once, but three times, that data is there for those who dig.
I haven’t researched the nitty gritty details that so many others have, I have researched what I saw and heard in 4 hours that morning watching 2 different TV’s and all I can find is that it is a darker more sinister picture than I thought that morning.
Se that light at the end of the tunnel over there?
That is the door to the slaughter house.
Follow the sheepeople, follow stuff that you can’t verify as truth yourself and that is where you are headed.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:26 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11 is
Israel?
Iraq and Iran are/were the two biggest threats to the state of
Israel's existence. The Jewish lobby and the Israeli government
screamed loudest for the war
I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
Carlyle group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I
am looking at the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World
health Organization.
Yes, American criminals benefited too. Americans also helped with
9/11 they deserved some payback, don't you think ?
Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
when you say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA,
and 5 men with a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is
suspect but….
It's white hot suspect, absolutely correct, couldn't be much hotter.
Israeli spies selling paintings were found to have addresses close to
the hijackers, this was reported on Fox news.
A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.
I don't understand that.
I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
I don't understand that either
Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
interviewed just after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that
his superior ordered him to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes
unless given further orders.
Really, I didn't hear that.
Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
undisclosed place was the control room of Norad, as his control
amounted to continually telling the operators there to let the
aircraft through, to issue to warnings to the apparent targets and
especially to not let any of our armed aircraft into the air that
might interfere.
Yes I understood that.
I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want to
be present at the execution.
Cheney isn't even an israeli citizen, he's actually American. he is a
neocon and a member of the PNAC, both predominantly Jewish in
character.
Scott
Eric
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@...>
wrote:
>
> Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11
is
> Israel?
>
> I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
Carlyle
> group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I am
looking at
> the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World health
Organization.
>
> Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
when you
> say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA, and 5
men with
> a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is suspect but…. A van
full of
> C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as controlled
> demolition.
>
> I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their
work place
> about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous
> months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully,
> separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
>
> Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
interviewed just
> after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that his superior
ordered him
> to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes unless given further
orders.
>
> Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
undisclosed
> place was the control room of Norad, as his control amounted to
continually
> telling the operators there to let the aircraft through, to issue to
> warnings to the apparent targets and especially to not let any of
our armed
> aircraft into the air that might interfere.
>
> I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want
to be
> present at the execution.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:39 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
>
> It does matter if five Mossad agents were caught red handed
> celebrating the collapse of the towers with traces of explosives in
> their van. They failed several lie detector tests and the boss of
the
> company fled to Israel. The fact that an Israeli company was warned
> before the attacks matters too.
>
> The main beneficiary of the Iraq war was Israel and the only
> beneficiary of the racist war on terror is Israel. It matters.
>
>
>
> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie Schwartz"
> <lhs_emf@> wrote:
> >
> > For anyone who actually cares about the truth to this continuing
> misinformation being promoted here again by Eastman, (Eastman:
> > essentially "my sampling - few Jews killed at the WTC 9/11/01")
> check out the following.
> >
> > Here is a list of the names of those who died in the WTC. As a
Jew,
> I know what names are likely Jewish and which are not. I am not
> > going to go thru all of them one by one and tell you which are
> which. If you have been around a bit you will know on your own.
> >
> > Highlight the names to see the full name, very roughly at least
1/3
> (conservatively) are Jewish.
> >
> > http://www.9-11heroes.us/victims-world-trade-center.php
> >
> > Here is another discussion of this issue, with more links and an
> analysis of the misinformation Eastman continues to spew. The
> > estimate here is between 400 - 500 people of Jewish decent died in
> the WTC towers on 9/11/01. There are a series of articles
> > debunking these lies via this link.
> >
> > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=331277
> >
> > Moreover this issue, the tragedy which 9/11 is and represents does
> not have a dam thing to do with who is Jewish and who is not or
> > how the events occurred or why they occurred again has nothing to
> do with Jews or Jewishness or Israel, or American Jews, or French
> > Jews, or German Jews, etc. As I told you before its about money
and
> power. AGAIN, if you really want to have the background history
> > to understand this event read John Loftus, read Webster Tarpley.
> Educate yourself, don't be lazy, don't indulge in your prejudices.
> > Learn that lesson and it will take you a long way in life. That is
> the most important lesson anyone can take from this discussion.
> >
> > Dick, if you really cared about the truth you would investigate
the
> truth about it and stop the lies. Are you admitting now below to
> > laziness' rather than hatred? If that is your excuse, then ask
> yourself if that is the standard you really want to live by and use
> > as a guide for your efforts in this or any or important study when
> you communicate with others about the important issues they
> > should be aware of. You could not prove your assertion on this
> issue but yet you repeated it again. What conclusion are we to draw
> > from that I wonder?
> >
> > Your statements have been shameful, stupid and most of all wrong.
> You ought to know that Jewish people like myself love this country
> > as much as you do and we fight and die for it and have done so
> throughout its history, and we devote ourselves to this country as
> > much as you obviously think you do.
> >
> > But there is one big difference between all of us (who are
rational
> and concerned) and you, as one of a group of haters who have
> > been writing in this caliber of trash to this message board. We
> don't call people names based on race or religion, we don't make up
> > stupid theories about history based on simpleton ideas and
> misinformation. We have learned the hard way not to keep hate in
our
> > hearts and we have learned just how thoughtless and dangerous it
is
> to go about life that way. We have seen the results and we don't
> > want to see them again, no matter who the victim might be next
> time. We take the time to learn and to understand and to be as
> > accurate and honest with ourselves and others as we can be and if
> we do not know the truth we research it honestly and keep our
> > mouths shut until we do know the truth, rather than go about
> repeatedly making baseless statements which prove our ignorance to
> > others.
> >
> > Dick, take the time when you write and think about these topic to
> make distinctions that are truly meaningful and accurate and
> > constructive. When you do that we will all be grateful for your
> efforts.
> >
> > Leslie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:48 PM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting
> >
> >
> > From: Leslie Schwartz
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Jew Baiting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for
those
> with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was
> > going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have
wanted
> the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long
> > time, but that is not why the event happened.
> >
> >
> >
> > Leslie Schwartz, yes I am Jewish and if don't like it you know
> what you can do about it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lets see Eastman prove just one if his hate based contentions,
as
> you said below, prove to us Eastman that no one of Jewish
> > ethnicity or decent was killed in the 9/11/01 attack. If you can
> prove that point Eastman then shut up and talk about what you can
> > prove.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Leslie,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not in a position to prove that no one of Jewish ethnicity
> or decent was killed in 9/11/01 attack. The sampling of names I
> > have seen (e.g. the long series on WTC deaths biographies that
thre
> New York Times ran) showed very few Jewish names in my
> > ampling -- not the high ratio of Jewish names I would expect for
> New York City and the hub of finance and world trade. I do take
> > the word of several sources on the internet that only two Israelis
> died. But no proof that there were no Jews killed at WTC -- only
> > indications that there were too few than one would expect.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some of the greatest people in the world have been Jewish -- I
> have known great acts of mercy and generosity by Jews -- paying
> > for an operation for my brother, simply because he wanted to. My
> favorite college professor -- my model of a good man -- is Jewish
> > (Dr. Richard Glassman at LFC)
> >
> >
> >
> > I often say "Jews" when the just discrimination would narrow
that
> to Mossad, or Zionists, or Neo-cons, or Likudniks -- or even
> > more justly I should have narrowed it to this or that
individual --
> >
> >
> >
> > so I am in the wrong -- but I am also mindful that I force Jews
> to ask themselves -- "is he right about me?" "am I allowing
> > myself to be a part of or to go along with what Eastman is
pointing
> out (Neo-con Zionist guilt for 9-11)
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is a letter that will interest you:
> >
> >
> >
> > =================
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello, Al.
> >
> > Do you think 9-11 was an inside job?
> >
> > If so, do you think Zionist's in the White House, Pentagon,
Israel
> > had anything to do with it?
> >
> > Do you think their Zionism was a large part of their motivation?
> >
> > I answer "yes" to all three questions and I have what I think
> > is ample proof of each point.
> >
> > I never claimed to be sane or to know what sanity is -- but I
> > understand evidence and can reach the logical implications
> > that follow from sufficiently complete evidence.
> >
> > Any time you want to discuss the message and what it is
> > based on, rather than the messenger -- I will be happy to
> > walk you through what I have found.
> >
> > Here is a sample:
> >
> > http://bedoper.com/eastman
> >
> > I trust you are still the great investigator you were when we
> corresponded so long ago.
> >
> > Maybe in better -- saner -- times we will compare notes again.
I
> could only gain.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washinton
> >
> > P.S. as for the impotence of internet posting -- I am taken in
> by chaos theory
> > and that one-quintillion-to-one shot that I just may be the
> little butterfly who
> > could. flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap ... --DE
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <aelewis@>
> > To: <foo@>; <anti-capitalism@yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: <Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:48 PM
> > Subject: [A-C] Re: Joni Ferris nails self-important Jew hater
> Dick Eastman
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Yes, Joni, it does seem that Dick has become a rabid Jew-hater
> > over the past several years. It was not always so. I have
observed
> > his posts over many months on anti-capitalism, as well as long
ago
> > (5 years ago) on other lists. It seems that the stress of his
life
> > (which has been considerable), combined with a latent inner
> > scapegoat-ism and perhaps xenophobia (characteristic of
> > right-wingers), has precipitated a psychic degeneration into
> > Paranoid Personality Disorder (see below) with a special
> > Jew-hating spin.
> >
> > (Note that I say "Jew-hating" rather than "anti-semitic". The
> > bigtime anti-semitism in the world today is amongst the
Zionists,
> > the "Christian" Zionists, and other muslim-haters. Jew-hating
is a
> > special, narrow type of anti-semitism which ought to be
> > distinguished from its parent.)
> >
> > It seems that Dick, like G L Rockwell (founder of the American
> > Nazi Party), has yielded to "the ageless impulse of men and
women
> > eaten by the disease of hatred to find a political expression or
> > rationalization for their malady":
> >
> > . http://www.salon.com/books/review/1999/07/19/simonelli/ ---
> > . "[Rockwell] drank too much, battled depression, was left by
> > . several wives, became estranged from his family and spun
> further
> > . and further out of control; you'll wince at the passages in
> which
> > . his goodhearted brother and William F. Buckley, whom Rockwell
> > . hounded, try to get him help. In the succinct summation from
a
> > . 1967 volume that that Simonelli cites, Rockwell gave in
to 'the
> > . ageless impulse of men and women eaten by the disease of
> hatred to
> > . find a political expression or rationalization for their
> malady.'"
> >
> > I've watched this degeneration in several other people. Some of
> > them were quite acute thinkers and great writers, until their
> > deterioration set in. In some cases it is hard to account for
it.
> > Though in Dick's case it is not so hard; he has been quite open
> > about the extreme stresses of his personal life. That, combined
as
> > I say with a latent tendency, has added up to his current
> > relentless stream of semi-demented anti-Jewish ravings and
> > screechings. The anti-capitalism yahoo list has become a
cesspool,
> > unfortunately -- and largely on his account. What we have here
is
> > the anti-capitalism of Goebbels and Himmler, sputtering barely
> > coherently about Jewish bankers' conspiracies. (And yes, Jewish
> > bankers ARE an important aspect of this mess; just that their
> > badness does not inhere in their Jewishness.)
> >
> > There was something in me, years ago (circa 2001), that flashed
a
> > warning sign, and I removed Dick from my email list and
generally
> > cut off communication. Somehow I sensed what was to come. And it
> > came! Oh, brother, did it come.
> >
> > The paranoia was evident in years past. For example, if a
message
> > of his was held up for a few hours, or just did not get through,
> > he would immediately conclude that it was because "they" were
out
> > to get him, and were denying him access to the chat boards or
> > whatever. Of course, it IS possible that "they" (the
> > establishment) might shut down people who are saying things that
> > they do not like. Indeed it has actually happened, and I expect
> > that it will happen increasingly. But for someone with insight,
it
> > is very unlikely that "they" would so selectively target a
single
> > individual -- an individual with NO power, purchase or
credibility
> > in the circles where it counts. In other words, you'd have to
be a
> > tad nuts, or at least seriously lacking in insight, to think
that
> > "they" would go out of their way to shut you down when you are
> > (pardon me) a pipsqueak ranter from Lower Bumfuck, Nebraska,
> > posting on a list with 323 pipsqueak members like you and me.
Yes,
> > "they" exist -- and they don't give a good God Damn about
> > Yahoo-group yahoos like us. Sorry.
> >
> > In charity, I will grant that the capitalist system generally
does
> > tend to make people crazy. The stress, combined with the toxic
> > diet and outright environmental toxins, combined with the sense
of
> > powerlessness (based on the REALITY of powerlessness), combined
> > with some personal bad breaks, can drive people nuts. Not hard
to
> > understand.
> >
> > And, perhaps Dick's personal degeneration was in some measure
> > fueled by the actual (inexcusable) behavior of radical Zionists,
> > Likudniks and the like, who persistently refuse to take
> > responsibility, and who deny their (very real and not just
> > incidental) role in the current mess. Witness the brouhaha just
> > the last week or two over the Mearsheimer/Walt piece. The Israel
> > lobby not only does not want to take any responsibility, it
wants
> > to deny its own existence! THAT can drive people nuts, too.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > PS: Note that Paranoid Personality Disorder (below) is NOT
> > paranoid psychosis, with loss of contact with reality.
Personality
> > disorders are characterized by a somewhat tenuous grasp of
reality
> > (shall we say: "creative" personal representations of it!) --
not
> > with a loss of contact with it. It is more of a personal
> > mind-style than a "disease"; see Hofstader's fine article:
> > The Paranoid Style in American Politics
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anti-capitalism/message/18977
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
> > http://mentalhelp.net/disorders/sx37.htm
> >
> > Paranoid Personality Disorder
> >
> > A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that
their
> > motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early
> > adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by
> > four (or more) of the following:
> >
> > 1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are
exploiting,
> > harming, or deceiving him or her
> >
> > 2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or
> > trustworthiness of friends or associates
> >
> > 3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear
> > that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
> >
> > 4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign
> > remarks or events
> >
> > 5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults,
> > injuries, or slights
> >
> > 6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that
> > are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to
> > counterattack
> >
> > 7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding
> > fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
> >
> > -----------------
> >
> > Criteria summarized from: American Psychiatric Association.
> > (1994). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders,
> > fourth edition. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric
Association.
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > "From the standpoint of any sane person, the present problem of
> > capitalist concentration is not only a question of law, but of
> > criminal law, not to mention criminal lunacy." -- G K Chesterton
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:32:36 -0400
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
Subject: China
Just a thought,but could it be someone is pushing buttons on Bush,and
Cheney,and the rest,as we owe so much money to them,i have read China wants
Canada,and the USA for there growing population,it would explain the odd
behavior coming out of the White Hose,also read in Scull,and Bones one of
the previous Bush's during WW11 was sponsoring Hitler,any thoughts ?
Kitty
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:43:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Do Mexicans have Permits For Protests of 50K to 500,000 ...
The television depicts illegal aliens as people doing jobs Americans won't do, and shows footage of them picking lettuce out of the ground.
I'm a union carpenter, which is one of the highest paying blue-collar jobs an American can get. When I was working in Las Vegas, the Mexicans had taken over the construction of the Paris Hotel, and layed off all the Americans, while the union hall was filled with Americans wishing they could work there. Rumour has it that they were kicking part of their union wage back to their boss, effectively undermining the union, and destroying the ability of Americans to work in their own city, at much-coveted jobs. That's when I left that city. This was back in 1999.
I really don't want to hear the "jobs Americans won't do" bullshit, because that's exactly what it is. Bullshit. They're stealing our work, because they do it for less, and that's why our government turned a blind eye to them swarming over the border while Americans begged the government to stop the invasion for years. Now that there's 20 million of them here, and there's nothing that can really be done about their presence, the government finally turns to the issue because it's providing a distraction for their other crimes.
Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am with jolly on this one. And my wife who busted her rearend to get here LEGALLY and OBEY te LAWS of THIS country resents this bullshit as well. I ahve no problem with immigration either. as long as they respect OUR constitution and OUR bills of rights and dont demand special treatment. Equal rights for ALL! And if they want to come heer then they can work for the same wages as anyone else. and DEMAND the LEGAL wages. I can think of PLENTY of folks that have done and WILL DO all of that work that they and the globalists say that WE WONT DO! They are just asking a somewhat fair wage. Dont you people REALIZE that they are being USED by the globalists?! WAKE UP! The more of them that come up here and work for a pittance, the more and more the globalist corporate scumbags will keep paying them less and NOT paying AMERICANS and Greencard holders AT ALL! What do you think that THEY would do with the shoe on the other FOOT? Hmm.
Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote: I have no problem with immigration, but 20 million people swarming over the border isn't immigration -- it's an invasion. In the past immigrants have always been allowed into the U.S. in reasonable numbers, so their arrival wouldn't adversly impact the economy. The horde arriving from mexico is described as "immigrants" to frame the discussion in that light, rather than address the impact thay're having on the lives of Americans. They've already brought down our wages, the quality of our pubic school education, and American's accessibility to heath care, in addition to shipping much of the money they make here out of the country. Is there some reason that America should be deprived of its right to maintain its borders like every other country on the planet?
mann david <dmann51@yahoo.com> wrote: Well said.
--- NoRedCoats@aol.com wrote:
> Now, now, there you go talking about immigrants
> being treated better than
> Americans and it's all their fault your are treated
> poorly. These immigrants for
> the most part work hard and have been referred to
> as "the sleeping giant."
> Rather than just sleeping, I think the giant was too
> busy WORKING and now is
> threatened by some up tight, anal retentive people
> who actually suffer from an
> inferiority complex. So, they write legislation
> that would go after the hard
> working and poor immigrants punishing them and
> tearing apart their families,
> friends, wives, etc. Let me ask you the reader,
> how many Europeans ever
> got or applied for some kind of Visa or Passport
> from Native Americans.
>
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:52:11 -0400
From: JP Liggett <JP@JPLiggett.com>
Subject: Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION
please send a link
>I just read the history of the Rothchilds at your site, Kev -- excellent
article.
>Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
i have been negligent to welcome all of the new members that have joined
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:09:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: amy dalzell <amydalzell@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Enough people! This isn't about being Jewish. It's about global corporate fascism, which has a distinctively Protestant complexion.
Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote: "as if any self respecting individual is going to hide the fact they are Jewish"
I personally know three otherwise self-respecting people who have tried to hide the fact that they are Jewish, and this is out of a total of about 6 or 8 Jews that I know.
Leslie Schwartz <lhs_emf@pacbell.net> wrote:
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I have seen a number of messages on this message board NOT making that distinction, and in fact lumping together, Jews, Zionists, Neocons, mossad, Judaism, Israelis, Ashkenazi Jews, the Rothschild’s, the illuminati, the Rockefellers, the Warburg’s, PNAC, the CFR, the etc. and etc., and mentioning specific high profile people who may fall within one or more of those categories. I also recall some hater using the term “crypto-Jews” on this message board as if any self respecting individual is going to hide the fact they are Jewish becomes THAT writer hates Jews. This is delusional and it is offensive.
When necessary and accurate distinctions are not made and a message goes out which obviously has some emotion, even anger over the events associated with 9/11/01 (emotion which is otherwise understandable) it is an ugly thing to read, its racist, its UN-AMERICAN and I personally do not think it helps anyone to understand these events or how we can constructively respond to the overall situation.
If you want to be taken seriously and treated with respect for your research and comments, you should know that is not going to be the response when you basically write everything bad that happens in this world is one kind of flavor of the month “Jewish conspiracy” by one name or another.
If you make the sufficient and accurate distinctions and make a sincere effort to report only what you have verified to be factual you will not hear any complaints about it. If you don’t have proof and only have a theory then say that, and when your making broad accusations about the actions, motives and future plans of groups or categories of people chances are your going to have to account for that uncertainty in your statement, otherwise its an accusation without sufficient proof and it will again cause people to distrust your motives and good-will.
Leslie
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From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hammond
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:12 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Scott, PLEASE! Note that the distinction between Zionism and Judaism is pointed out. One is NOT the other.
Kevin
Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzithero.com> wrote:
Sorry, in the deluge of all the reasons I hear to go to war, I only saw a couple of e-mails from a few certain people claiming that the Jewish Lobby and Israel wanted the US to go to war, they never responded or were able to share where their source of information was from, so all I had was their personal hearsay, that they got it from someone they trusted, as hearsay and that they themselves were as trustworthy as the person who gave them the hearsay, so there was no need for me to question anything they passed along. That is, they couldn’t show me any independent data to show that Israel and the Jewish Lobby screamed for the US to go to war, much less any comments for this, in print. So I have just taken that as Jew Bashing, happens all the time and a great many ludicrous things get dumped on those of Jewish faith that maybe the Israel government may have wanted or tried to do. Even though I haven’t been the slightest fan of the Israeli government since the
attack on the USS Liberty, that hasn’t colored my feelings for individuals of Jewish faith.
When there are hard facts, I gladly accept them, links where I can do my own research, not stuff like the gOlem sends out where all references go back to other stuff he wrote.
So, if you have any hard facts, references I can read myself, that show that the Jewish Lobby and the Israeli government actually pushed for the US to go to war with countries that had no connection with the phantom 911 terrorists (like the 7 Saudi’s… that are still alive, last seen in Saudi Arabia itself) please share them. I make up my own mind. If this was a court of law and I was a juror, I definitely couldn’t give the death penalty on what information I have seen.
-
A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.
I don't understand that.
You are basing trace amounts of explosives, lets say C-4 since it is compact and easy to transport. A van load of it wouldn’t have been enough to take down all three of the WTC towers. Maybe one. No way the building could have been rigged over night. Traditional demolition experts figured weeks in a rush job, more likely months.
So, How it was used, was what was found in their van of a composition that could have made steel turn molten and remain in a liquid form for days later?
To turn this ‘suspect’ evidence into some scientific fact, you’d have to know if what they had, could have caused the results we saw and fit in with the data we have gathered.
As far as Faux News, I have no idea if they were one of the three stations I watched most that morning, from about 8 minutes after the first plane hit, I watched live newscasts, but Faux News, they are professional revisionist story tellers, their news is to get their advertisers money, not to tell the truth, in my personal opinion, they are trying to take the national Enquirer’s business away. Their credibility ain’t worth the airwaves they broadcast over.
They are my local station, I know first hand what they report and what they rewrite. They turn peace marches into riots, when no such thing ever happened.
What they showed on the 6 PM news (Pacific time) didn’t even compare with what I saw that morning between 8 AM and noon my time. Might have just reported on something in a book of Fiction and called it truth. All they got right was that a great many people died and that a great many people were in shock.
I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place (One of the Towers) about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
I don't understand that either
I have been told, by someone that worked in the WTC towers for years, that there was construction going on for several months before 9/11 and no one knew what it was, much of it was after hours.
I use to be a building demolition junkie, I’ve seen hundreds of film clips on this, I seen more than a few in person.
Fire didn’t take down the WTC towers, explosives as in a demolition did.
I have friends that are pilots, they referred me to several buildings that jet liners had hit and then I researched those thoroughly. I researched to see how many steel structure buildings had fallen from airplane hits and the resulting fires. ZERO. I looked to see how many steel structured buildings I could find that had fallen due to fires, maybe there was more ‘interesting footage’ like the three WTC towers. ZERO, no other steel structure building has ever fallen from a fire even one induced by crashing a jet liner into it.
Yet I have seen a great many buildings demolished and what I saw that morning, I was sure was a demolition job. After my research, I couldn’t only imagine how far off I was thinking of how blood thirsty those who pulled this off were.
I and my X wife read everything we could on the WTC towers after our daughter started work there, about 1998, we both were independently aware that in the original articles of impeachment for Clinton one of the articles was that a private plane had made it into NYC airspace, 12.5 minutes or something like that, and that was the only instance of the 10 minute response time having been violated in 12 years, before that it was a 12 minute response time, until 9/11/01 when it was closer to 1 hour and 43 minutes.
Unfortunately, for my curiosity, to maintain her security clearance, my daughter can’t talk about anything other than her emotions that day. If you have ever worked a federal government job, if you’ve ever been a civilian whose company did contracts for the Government, you’ll understand her position and why I never pushed her for any other details.
We know Cheney ordered the Colonel at Norad to stand down. We know that with an inter office memo that Bush transferred the power that congress had given to the president and the President only, to his Vice President, Dick Cheney. We now know that Cheney was in charge of Norad that morning. Of course no one needed to get GW to safety, it was an inside job. That is data, those are things that can be found again and again in internet searches, facts that can be verified, many articles written about them plus Cheney direction Norad is in the 911 Commission report. They fucking aren’t afraid of those that do research, they control all the information superhighway except the internet and who knows if we have days or years left there.
I happened to be one of the few people who saw the live interview of the Colonel, I heard it was under national security just like the half dozen videos of what ever hit the pentagon. Yup, so my word is now hearsay. But the 911 commission report telling about Cheney ordering the Norad controllers to stand down, not once, but three times, that data is there for those who dig.
I haven’t researched the nitty gritty details that so many others have, I have researched what I saw and heard in 4 hours that morning watching 2 different TV’s and all I can find is that it is a darker more sinister picture than I thought that morning.
Se that light at the end of the tunnel over there?
That is the door to the slaughter house.
Follow the sheepeople, follow stuff that you can’t verify as truth yourself and that is where you are headed.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:26 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11 is
Israel?
Iraq and Iran are/were the two biggest threats to the state of
Israel's existence. The Jewish lobby and the Israeli government
screamed loudest for the war
I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
Carlyle group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I
am looking at the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World
health Organization.
Yes, American criminals benefited too. Americans also helped with
9/11 they deserved some payback, don't you think ?
Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
when you say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA,
and 5 men with a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is
suspect but….
It's white hot suspect, absolutely correct, couldn't be much hotter.
Israeli spies selling paintings were found to have addresses close to
the hijackers, this was reported on Fox news.
A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.
I don't understand that.
I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
I don't understand that either
Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
interviewed just after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that
his superior ordered him to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes
unless given further orders.
Really, I didn't hear that.
Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
undisclosed place was the control room of Norad, as his control
amounted to continually telling the operators there to let the
aircraft through, to issue to warnings to the apparent targets and
especially to not let any of our armed aircraft into the air that
might interfere.
Yes I understood that.
I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want to
be present at the execution.
Cheney isn't even an israeli citizen, he's actually American. he is a
neocon and a member of the PNAC, both predominantly Jewish in
character.
Scott
Eric
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@...>
wrote:
>
> Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11
is
> Israel?
>
> I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
Carlyle
> group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I am
looking at
> the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World health
Organization.
>
> Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
when you
> say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA, and 5
men with
> a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is suspect but…. A van
full of
> C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as controlled
> demolition.
>
> I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their
work place
> about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous
> months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully,
> separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
>
> Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
interviewed just
> after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that his superior
ordered him
> to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes unless given further
orders.
>
> Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
undisclosed
> place was the control room of Norad, as his control amounted to
continually
> telling the operators there to let the aircraft through, to issue to
> warnings to the apparent targets and especially to not let any of
our armed
> aircraft into the air that might interfere.
>
> I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want
to be
> present at the execution.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:39 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
>
> It does matter if five Mossad agents were caught red handed
> celebrating the collapse of the towers with traces of explosives in
> their van. They failed several lie detector tests and the boss of
the
> company fled to Israel. The fact that an Israeli company was warned
> before the attacks matters too.
>
> The main beneficiary of the Iraq war was Israel and the only
> beneficiary of the racist war on terror is Israel. It matters.
>
>
>
> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie Schwartz"
> <lhs_emf@> wrote:
> >
> > For anyone who actually cares about the truth to this continuing
> misinformation being promoted here again by Eastman, (Eastman:
> > essentially "my sampling - few Jews killed at the WTC 9/11/01")
> check out the following.
> >
> > Here is a list of the names of those who died in the WTC. As a
Jew,
> I know what names are likely Jewish and which are not. I am not
> > going to go thru all of them one by one and tell you which are
> which. If you have been around a bit you will know on your own.
> >
> > Highlight the names to see the full name, very roughly at least
1/3
> (conservatively) are Jewish.
> >
> > http://www.9-11heroes.us/victims-world-trade-center.php
> >
> > Here is another discussion of this issue, with more links and an
> analysis of the misinformation Eastman continues to spew. The
> > estimate here is between 400 - 500 people of Jewish decent died in
> the WTC towers on 9/11/01. There are a series of articles
> > debunking these lies via this link.
> >
> > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=331277
> >
> > Moreover this issue, the tragedy which 9/11 is and represents does
> not have a dam thing to do with who is Jewish and who is not or
> > how the events occurred or why they occurred again has nothing to
> do with Jews or Jewishness or Israel, or American Jews, or French
> > Jews, or German Jews, etc. As I told you before its about money
and
> power. AGAIN, if you really want to have the background history
> > to understand this event read John Loftus, read Webster Tarpley.
> Educate yourself, don't be lazy, don't indulge in your prejudices.
> > Learn that lesson and it will take you a long way in life. That is
> the most important lesson anyone can take from this discussion.
> >
> > Dick, if you really cared about the truth you would investigate
the
> truth about it and stop the lies. Are you admitting now below to
> > laziness' rather than hatred? If that is your excuse, then ask
> yourself if that is the standard you really want to live by and use
> > as a guide for your efforts in this or any or important study when
> you communicate with others about the important issues they
> > should be aware of. You could not prove your assertion on this
> issue but yet you repeated it again. What conclusion are we to draw
> > from that I wonder?
> >
> > Your statements have been shameful, stupid and most of all wrong.
> You ought to know that Jewish people like myself love this country
> > as much as you do and we fight and die for it and have done so
> throughout its history, and we devote ourselves to this country as
> > much as you obviously think you do.
> >
> > But there is one big difference between all of us (who are
rational
> and concerned) and you, as one of a group of haters who have
> > been writing in this caliber of trash to this message board. We
> don't call people names based on race or religion, we don't make up
> > stupid theories about history based on simpleton ideas and
> misinformation. We have learned the hard way not to keep hate in
our
> > hearts and we have learned just how thoughtless and dangerous it
is
> to go about life that way. We have seen the results and we don't
> > want to see them again, no matter who the victim might be next
> time. We take the time to learn and to understand and to be as
> > accurate and honest with ourselves and others as we can be and if
> we do not know the truth we research it honestly and keep our
> > mouths shut until we do know the truth, rather than go about
> repeatedly making baseless statements which prove our ignorance to
> > others.
> >
> > Dick, take the time when you write and think about these topic to
> make distinctions that are truly meaningful and accurate and
> > constructive. When you do that we will all be grateful for your
> efforts.
> >
> > Leslie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:48 PM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting
> >
> >
> > From: Leslie Schwartz
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Jew Baiting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for
those
> with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was
> > going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have
wanted
> the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long
> > time, but that is not why the event happened.
> >
> >
> >
> > Leslie Schwartz, yes I am Jewish and if don't like it you know
> what you can do about it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lets see Eastman prove just one if his hate based contentions,
as
> you said below, prove to us Eastman that no one of Jewish
> > ethnicity or decent was killed in the 9/11/01 attack. If you can
> prove that point Eastman then shut up and talk about what you can
> > prove.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Leslie,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not in a position to prove that no one of Jewish ethnicity
> or decent was killed in 9/11/01 attack. The sampling of names I
> > have seen (e.g. the long series on WTC deaths biographies that
thre
> New York Times ran) showed very few Jewish names in my
> > ampling -- not the high ratio of Jewish names I would expect for
> New York City and the hub of finance and world trade. I do take
> > the word of several sources on the internet that only two Israelis
> died. But no proof that there were no Jews killed at WTC -- only
> > indications that there were too few than one would expect.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some of the greatest people in the world have been Jewish -- I
> have known great acts of mercy and generosity by Jews -- paying
> > for an operation for my brother, simply because he wanted to. My
> favorite college professor -- my model of a good man -- is Jewish
> > (Dr. Richard Glassman at LFC)
> >
> >
> >
> > I often say "Jews" when the just discrimination would narrow
that
> to Mossad, or Zionists, or Neo-cons, or Likudniks -- or even
> > more justly I should have narrowed it to this or that
individual --
> >
> >
> >
> > so I am in the wrong -- but I am also mindful that I force Jews
> to ask themselves -- "is he right about me?" "am I allowing
> > myself to be a part of or to go along with what Eastman is
pointing
> out (Neo-con Zionist guilt for 9-11)
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is a letter that will interest you:
> >
> >
> >
> > =================
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello, Al.
> >
> > Do you think 9-11 was an inside job?
> >
> > If so, do you think Zionist's in the White House, Pentagon,
Israel
> > had anything to do with it?
> >
> > Do you think their Zionism was a large part of their motivation?
> >
> > I answer "yes" to all three questions and I have what I think
> > is ample proof of each point.
> >
> > I never claimed to be sane or to know what sanity is -- but I
> > understand evidence and can reach the logical implications
> > that follow from sufficiently complete evidence.
> >
> > Any time you want to discuss the message and what it is
> > based on, rather than the messenger -- I will be happy to
> > walk you through what I have found.
> >
> > Here is a sample:
> >
> > http://bedoper.com/eastman
> >
> > I trust you are still the great investigator you were when we
> corresponded so long ago.
> >
> > Maybe in better -- saner -- times we will compare notes again.
I
> could only gain.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washinton
> >
> > P.S. as for the impotence of internet posting -- I am taken in
> by chaos theory
> > and that one-quintillion-to-one shot that I just may be the
> little butterfly who
> > could. flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap ... --DE
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <aelewis@>
> > To: <foo@>; <anti-capitalism@yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: <Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:48 PM
> > Subject: [A-C] Re: Joni Ferris nails self-important Jew hater
> Dick Eastman
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Yes, Joni, it does seem that Dick has become a rabid Jew-hater
> > over the past several years. It was not always so. I have
observed
> > his posts over many months on anti-capitalism, as well as long
ago
> > (5 years ago) on other lists. It seems that the stress of his
life
> > (which has been considerable), combined with a latent inner
> > scapegoat-ism and perhaps xenophobia (characteristic of
> > right-wingers), has precipitated a psychic degeneration into
> > Paranoid Personality Disorder (see below) with a special
> > Jew-hating spin.
> >
> > (Note that I say "Jew-hating" rather than "anti-semitic". The
> > bigtime anti-semitism in the world today is amongst the
Zionists,
> > the "Christian" Zionists, and other muslim-haters. Jew-hating
is a
> > special, narrow type of anti-semitism which ought to be
> > distinguished from its parent.)
> >
> > It seems that Dick, like G L Rockwell (founder of the American
> > Nazi Party), has yielded to "the ageless impulse of men and
women
> > eaten by the disease of hatred to find a political expression or
> > rationalization for their malady":
> >
> > . http://www.salon.com/books/review/1999/07/19/simonelli/ ---
> > . "[Rockwell] drank too much, battled depression, was left by
> > . several wives, became estranged from his family and spun
> further
> > . and further out of control; you'll wince at the passages in
> which
> > . his goodhearted brother and William F. Buckley, whom Rockwell
> > . hounded, try to get him help. In the succinct summation from
a
> > . 1967 volume that that Simonelli cites, Rockwell gave in
to 'the
> > . ageless impulse of men and women eaten by the disease of
> hatred to
> > . find a political expression or rationalization for their
> malady.'"
> >
> > I've watched this degeneration in several other people. Some of
> > them were quite acute thinkers and great writers, until their
> > deterioration set in. In some cases it is hard to account for
it.
> > Though in Dick's case it is not so hard; he has been quite open
> > about the extreme stresses of his personal life. That, combined
as
> > I say with a latent tendency, has added up to his current
> > relentless stream of semi-demented anti-Jewish ravings and
> > screechings. The anti-capitalism yahoo list has become a
cesspool,
> > unfortunately -- and largely on his account. What we have here
is
> > the anti-capitalism of Goebbels and Himmler, sputtering barely
> > coherently about Jewish bankers' conspiracies. (And yes, Jewish
> > bankers ARE an important aspect of this mess; just that their
> > badness does not inhere in their Jewishness.)
> >
> > There was something in me, years ago (circa 2001), that flashed
a
> > warning sign, and I removed Dick from my email list and
generally
> > cut off communication. Somehow I sensed what was to come. And it
> > came! Oh, brother, did it come.
> >
> > The paranoia was evident in years past. For example, if a
message
> > of his was held up for a few hours, or just did not get through,
> > he would immediately conclude that it was because "they" were
out
> > to get him, and were denying him access to the chat boards or
> > whatever. Of course, it IS possible that "they" (the
> > establishment) might shut down people who are saying things that
> > they do not like. Indeed it has actually happened, and I expect
> > that it will happen increasingly. But for someone with insight,
it
> > is very unlikely that "they" would so selectively target a
single
> > individual -- an individual with NO power, purchase or
credibility
> > in the circles where it counts. In other words, you'd have to
be a
> > tad nuts, or at least seriously lacking in insight, to think
that
> > "they" would go out of their way to shut you down when you are
> > (pardon me) a pipsqueak ranter from Lower Bumfuck, Nebraska,
> > posting on a list with 323 pipsqueak members like you and me.
Yes,
> > "they" exist -- and they don't give a good God Damn about
> > Yahoo-group yahoos like us. Sorry.
> >
> > In charity, I will grant that the capitalist system generally
does
> > tend to make people crazy. The stress, combined with the toxic
> > diet and outright environmental toxins, combined with the sense
of
> > powerlessness (based on the REALITY of powerlessness), combined
> > with some personal bad breaks, can drive people nuts. Not hard
to
> > understand.
> >
> > And, perhaps Dick's personal degeneration was in some measure
> > fueled by the actual (inexcusable) behavior of radical Zionists,
> > Likudniks and the like, who persistently refuse to take
> > responsibility, and who deny their (very real and not just
> > incidental) role in the current mess. Witness the brouhaha just
> > the last week or two over the Mearsheimer/Walt piece. The Israel
> > lobby not only does not want to take any responsibility, it
wants
> > to deny its own existence! THAT can drive people nuts, too.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > PS: Note that Paranoid Personality Disorder (below) is NOT
> > paranoid psychosis, with loss of contact with reality.
Personality
> > disorders are characterized by a somewhat tenuous grasp of
reality
> > (shall we say: "creative" personal representations of it!) --
not
> > with a loss of contact with it. It is more of a personal
> > mind-style than a "disease"; see Hofstader's fine article:
> > The Paranoid Style in American Politics
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anti-capitalism/message/18977
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
> > http://mentalhelp.net/disorders/sx37.htm
> >
> > Paranoid Personality Disorder
> >
> > A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that
their
> > motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early
> > adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by
> > four (or more) of the following:
> >
> > 1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are
exploiting,
> > harming, or deceiving him or her
> >
> > 2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or
> > trustworthiness of friends or associates
> >
> > 3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear
> > that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
> >
> > 4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign
> > remarks or events
> >
> > 5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults,
> > injuries, or slights
> >
> > 6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that
> > are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to
> > counterattack
> >
> > 7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding
> > fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
> >
> > -----------------
> >
> > Criteria summarized from: American Psychiatric Association.
> > (1994). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders,
> > fourth edition. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric
Association.
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > "From the standpoint of any sane person, the present problem of
> > capitalist concentration is not only a question of law, but of
> > criminal law, not to mention criminal lunacy." -- G K Chesterton
> >
> > "You will know you have spoken the truth when you are angrily
> > denounced; and you will know you have spoken both truly and
> > well when you are visited by the police." -- J B R Yant
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:24:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: mann david <dmann51@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
second that !!
--- amy dalzell <amydalzell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Enough people! This isn't about being Jewish. It's
> about global corporate fascism, which has a
> distinctively Protestant complexion.
>
> Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote: "as
> if any self respecting individual is going to hide
> the fact they are Jewish"
>
> I personally know three otherwise self-respecting
> people who have tried to hide the fact that they are
> Jewish, and this is out of a total of about 6 or 8
> Jews that I know.
>
> Leslie Schwartz <lhs_emf@pacbell.net> wrote:
> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:*
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
> I have seen a number of messages on this message
> board NOT making that distinction, and in fact
> lumping together, Jews, Zionists, Neocons, mossad,
> Judaism, Israelis, Ashkenazi Jews, the Rothschild’s,
> the illuminati, the Rockefellers, the Warburg’s,
> PNAC, the CFR, the etc. and etc., and mentioning
> specific high profile people who may fall within one
> or more of those categories. I also recall some
> hater using the term “crypto-Jews” on this message
> board as if any self respecting individual is going
> to hide the fact they are Jewish becomes THAT writer
> hates Jews. This is delusional and it is offensive.
>
> When necessary and accurate distinctions are not
> made and a message goes out which obviously has some
> emotion, even anger over the events associated with
> 9/11/01 (emotion which is otherwise understandable)
> it is an ugly thing to read, its racist, its
> UN-AMERICAN and I personally do not think it helps
> anyone to understand these events or how we can
> constructively respond to the overall situation.
>
> If you want to be taken seriously and treated with
> respect for your research and comments, you should
> know that is not going to be the response when you
> basically write everything bad that happens in this
> world is one kind of flavor of the month “Jewish
> conspiracy” by one name or another.
>
> If you make the sufficient and accurate
> distinctions and make a sincere effort to report
> only what you have verified to be factual you will
> not hear any complaints about it. If you don’t have
> proof and only have a theory then say that, and when
> your making broad accusations about the actions,
> motives and future plans of groups or categories of
> people chances are your going to have to account for
> that uncertainty in your statement, otherwise its an
> accusation without sufficient proof and it will
> again cause people to distrust your motives and
> good-will.
>
> Leslie
> .
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Kevin Hammond
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:12 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
>
>
> Scott, PLEASE! Note that the distinction
> between Zionism and Judaism is pointed out. One is
> NOT the other.
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
> Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzithero.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, in the deluge of all the
> reasons I hear to go to war, I only saw a couple of
> e-mails from a few certain people claiming that the
> Jewish Lobby and Israel wanted the US to go to war,
> they never responded or were able to share where
> their source of information was from, so all I had
> was their personal hearsay, that they got it from
> someone they trusted, as hearsay and that they
> themselves were as trustworthy as the person who
> gave them the hearsay, so there was no need for me
> to question anything they passed along. That is,
> they couldn’t show me any independent data to show
> that Israel and the Jewish Lobby screamed for the US
> to go to war, much less any comments for this, in
> print. So I have just taken that as Jew Bashing,
> happens all the time and a great many ludicrous
> things get dumped on those of Jewish faith that
> maybe the Israel government may have wanted or tried
> to do. Even though I haven’t been the slightest fan
> of the Israeli government since the
> attack on the USS Liberty, that hasn’t colored my
> feelings for individuals of Jewish faith.
>
>
>
> When there are hard facts, I gladly accept them,
> links where I can do my own research, not stuff like
> the gOlem sends out where all references go back to
> other stuff he wrote.
>
>
>
> So, if you have any hard facts, references I can
> read myself, that show that the Jewish Lobby and the
> Israeli government actually pushed for the US to go
> to war with countries that had no connection with
> the phantom 911 terrorists (like the 7 Saudi’s… that
> are still alive, last seen in Saudi Arabia itself)
> please share them. I make up my own mind. If this
> was a court of law and I was a juror, I definitely
> couldn’t give the death penalty on what information
> I have seen.
>
>
>
> -
>
> A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers,
> to bring them down as
> controlled demolition.
>
> I don't understand that.
>
>
>
> You are basing trace amounts of explosives, lets
> say C-4 since it is compact and easy to transport. A
> van load of it wouldn’t have been enough to take
> down all three of the WTC towers. Maybe one. No way
> the building could have been rigged over night.
> Traditional demolition experts figured weeks in a
> rush job, more likely months.
>
> So, How it was used, was what was found in their
> van of a composition that could have made steel turn
> molten and remain in a liquid form for days later?
>
> To turn this ‘suspect’ evidence into some
> scientific fact, you’d have to know if what they
> had, could have caused the results we saw and fit in
> with the data we have gathered.
>
>
>
> As far as Faux News, I have no idea if they were
> one of the three stations I watched most that
> morning, from about 8 minutes after the first plane
> hit, I watched live newscasts, but Faux News, they
> are professional revisionist story tellers, their
> news is to get their advertisers money, not to tell
> the truth, in my personal opinion, they are trying
> to take the national Enquirer’s business away. Their
> credibility ain’t worth the airwaves they broadcast
> over.
>
> They are my local station, I know first hand
> what they report and what they rewrite. They turn
> peace marches into riots, when no such thing ever
> happened.
>
> What they showed on the 6 PM news (Pacific time)
> didn’t even compare with what I saw that morning
> between 8 AM and noon my time. Might have just
> reported on something in a book of Fiction and
> called it truth. All they got right was that a great
> many people died and that a great many people were
> in shock.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have heard from someone that survived the
> destruction of their work
> place (One of the Towers) about construction work
> that had gone on there for the three
> previous months, but please, share your data, and
> give your theories,
> hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from
> speculation.
>
> I don't understand that either
>
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:25:14 -0500
From: "Leslie Schwartz" <lhs_emf@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Then you know a bunch of losers and your small sample proves nothing about a
collection of people united in many aspects that totals into the tens of
millions.
_____
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jolly Roger
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:12 AM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
"as if any self respecting individual is going to hide the fact they are
Jewish"
I personally know three otherwise self-respecting people who have tried to
hide the fact that they are Jewish, and this is out of a total of about 6 or
8 Jews that I know.
Leslie Schwartz <lhs_emf@pacbell.net> wrote:
I have seen a number of messages on this message board NOT making that
distinction, and in fact lumping together, Jews, Zionists, Neocons, mossad,
Judaism, Israelis, Ashkenazi Jews, the Rothschild’s, the illuminati, the
Rockefellers, the Warburg’s, PNAC, the CFR, the etc. and etc., and
mentioning specific high profile people who may fall within one or more of
those categories. I also recall some hater using the term “crypto-Jews” on
this message board as if any self respecting individual is going to hide the
fact they are Jewish becomes THAT writer hates Jews. This is delusional and
it is offensive.
When necessary and accurate distinctions are not made and a message goes out
which obviously has some emotion, even anger over the events associated with
9/11/01 (emotion which is otherwise understandable) it is an ugly thing to
read, its racist, its UN-AMERICAN and I personally do not think it helps
anyone to understand these events or how we can constructively respond to
the overall situation.
If you want to be taken seriously and treated with respect for your research
and comments, you should know that is not going to be the response when you
basically write everything bad that happens in this world is one kind of
flavor of the month “Jewish conspiracy” by one name or another.
If you make the sufficient and accurate distinctions and make a sincere
effort to report only what you have verified to be factual you will not hear
any complaints about it. If you don’t have proof and only have a theory then
say that, and when your making broad accusations about the actions, motives
and future plans of groups or categories of people chances are your going to
have to account for that uncertainty in your statement, otherwise its an
accusation without sufficient proof and it will again cause people to
distrust your motives and good-will.
Leslie
.
_____
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Hammond
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:12 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Scott, PLEASE! Note that the distinction between Zionism and Judaism is
pointed out. One is NOT the other.
Kevin
Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzithero.com> wrote:
Sorry, in the deluge of all the reasons I hear to go to war, I only
saw a couple of e-mails from a few certain people claiming that the Jewish
Lobby and Israel wanted the US to go to war, they never responded or were
able to share where their source of information was from, so all I had was
their personal hearsay, that they got it from someone they trusted, as
hearsay and that they themselves were as trustworthy as the person who gave
them the hearsay, so there was no need for me to question anything they
passed along. That is, they couldn’t show me any independent data to show
that Israel and the Jewish Lobby screamed for the US to go to war, much less
any comments for this, in print. So I have just taken that as Jew Bashing,
happens all the time and a great many ludicrous things get dumped on those
of Jewish faith that maybe the Israel government may have wanted or tried to
do. Even though I haven’t been the slightest fan of the Israeli government
since the attack on the USS Liberty, that hasn’t colored my feelings for
individuals of Jewish faith.
When there are hard facts, I gladly accept them, links where I can do my own
research, not stuff like the gOlem sends out where all references go back to
other stuff he wrote.
So, if you have any hard facts, references I can read myself, that show that
the Jewish Lobby and the Israeli government actually pushed for the US to go
to war with countries that had no connection with the phantom 911 terrorists
(like the 7 Saudi’s… that are still alive, last seen in Saudi Arabia itself)
please share them. I make up my own mind. If this was a court of law and I
was a juror, I definitely couldn’t give the death penalty on what
information I have seen.
-
A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.
I don't understand that.
You are basing trace amounts of explosives, lets say C-4 since it is compact
and easy to transport. A van load of it wouldn’t have been enough to take
down all three of the WTC towers. Maybe one. No way the building could have
been rigged over night. Traditional demolition experts figured weeks in a
rush job, more likely months.
So, How it was used, was what was found in their van of a composition that
could have made steel turn molten and remain in a liquid form for days
later?
To turn this ‘suspect’ evidence into some scientific fact, you’d have to
know if what they had, could have caused the results we saw and fit in with
the data we have gathered.
As far as Faux News, I have no idea if they were one of the three stations I
watched most that morning, from about 8 minutes after the first plane hit, I
watched live newscasts, but Faux News, they are professional revisionist
story tellers, their news is to get their advertisers money, not to tell the
truth, in my personal opinion, they are trying to take the national
Enquirer’s business away. Their credibility ain’t worth the airwaves they
broadcast over.
They are my local station, I know first hand what they report and what they
rewrite. They turn peace marches into riots, when no such thing ever
happened.
What they showed on the 6 PM news (Pacific time) didn’t even compare with
what I saw that morning between 8 AM and noon my time. Might have just
reported on something in a book of Fiction and called it truth. All they got
right was that a great many people died and that a great many people were in
shock.
I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place (One of the Towers) about construction work that had gone on there for
the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
I don't understand that either
I have been told, by someone that worked in the WTC towers for years, that
there was construction going on for several months before 9/11 and no one
knew what it was, much of it was after hours.
I use to be a building demolition junkie, I’ve seen hundreds of film clips
on this, I seen more than a few in person.
Fire didn’t take down the WTC towers, explosives as in a demolition did.
I have friends that are pilots, they referred me to several buildings that
jet liners had hit and then I researched those thoroughly. I researched to
see how many steel structure buildings had fallen from airplane hits and the
resulting fires. ZERO. I looked to see how many steel structured buildings I
could find that had fallen due to fires, maybe there was more ‘interesting
footage’ like the three WTC towers. ZERO, no other steel structure building
has ever fallen from a fire even one induced by crashing a jet liner into
it.
Yet I have seen a great many buildings demolished and what I saw that
morning, I was sure was a demolition job. After my research, I couldn’t only
imagine how far off I was thinking of how blood thirsty those who pulled
this off were.
I and my X wife read everything we could on the WTC towers after our
daughter started work there, about 1998, we both were independently aware
that in the original articles of impeachment for Clinton one of the articles
was that a private plane had made it into NYC airspace, 12.5 minutes or
something like that, and that was the only instance of the 10 minute
response time having been violated in 12 years, before that it was a 12
minute response time, until 9/11/01 when it was closer to 1 hour and 43
minutes.
Unfortunately, for my curiosity, to maintain her security clearance, my
daughter can’t talk about anything other than her emotions that day. If you
have ever worked a federal government job, if you’ve ever been a civilian
whose company did contracts for the Government, you’ll understand her
position and why I never pushed her for any other details.
We know Cheney ordered the Colonel at Norad to stand down. We know that with
an inter office memo that Bush transferred the power that congress had given
to the president and the President only, to his Vice President, Dick Cheney.
We now know that Cheney was in charge of Norad that morning. Of course no
one needed to get GW to safety, it was an inside job. That is data, those
are things that can be found again and again in internet searches, facts
that can be verified, many articles written about them plus Cheney direction
Norad is in the 911 Commission report. They fucking aren’t afraid of those
that do research, they control all the information superhighway except the
internet and who knows if we have days or years left there.
I happened to be one of the few people who saw the live interview of the
Colonel, I heard it was under national security just like the half dozen
videos of what ever hit the pentagon. Yup, so my word is now hearsay. But
the 911 commission report telling about Cheney ordering the Norad
controllers to stand down, not once, but three times, that data is there for
those who dig.
I haven’t researched the nitty gritty details that so many others have, I
have researched what I saw and heard in 4 hours that morning watching 2
different TV’s and all I can find is that it is a darker more sinister
picture than I thought that morning.
Se that light at the end of the tunnel over there?
That is the door to the slaughter house.
Follow the sheepeople, follow stuff that you can’t verify as truth yourself
and that is where you are headed.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:26 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11 is
Israel?
Iraq and Iran are/were the two biggest threats to the state of
Israel's existence. The Jewish lobby and the Israeli government
screamed loudest for the war
I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
Carlyle group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I
am looking at the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World
health Organization.
Yes, American criminals benefited too. Americans also helped with
9/11 they deserved some payback, don't you think ?
Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
when you say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA,
and 5 men with a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is
suspect but….
It's white hot suspect, absolutely correct, couldn't be much hotter.
Israeli spies selling paintings were found to have addresses close to
the hijackers, this was reported on Fox news.
A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.
I don't understand that.
I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
I don't understand that either
Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
interviewed just after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that
his superior ordered him to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes
unless given further orders.
Really, I didn't hear that.
Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
undisclosed place was the control room of Norad, as his control
amounted to continually telling the operators there to let the
aircraft through, to issue to warnings to the apparent targets and
especially to not let any of our armed aircraft into the air that
might interfere.
Yes I understood that.
I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want to
be present at the execution.
Cheney isn't even an israeli citizen, he's actually American. he is a
neocon and a member of the PNAC, both predominantly Jewish in
character.
Scott
Eric
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@...>
wrote:
>
> Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11
is
> Israel?
>
> I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
Carlyle
> group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I am
looking at
> the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World health
Organization.
>
> Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
when you
> say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA, and 5
men with
> a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is suspect but…. A van
full of
> C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as controlled
> demolition.
>
> I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their
work place
> about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous
> months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully,
> separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
>
> Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
interviewed just
> after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that his superior
ordered him
> to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes unless given further
orders.
>
> Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
undisclosed
> place was the control room of Norad, as his control amounted to
continually
> telling the operators there to let the aircraft through, to issue to
> warnings to the apparent targets and especially to not let any of
our armed
> aircraft into the air that might interfere.
>
> I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want
to be
> present at the execution.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:39 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
>
> It does matter if five Mossad agents were caught red handed
> celebrating the collapse of the towers with traces of explosives in
> their van. They failed several lie detector tests and the boss of
the
> company fled to Israel. The fact that an Israeli company was warned
> before the attacks matters too.
>
> The main beneficiary of the Iraq war was Israel and the only
> beneficiary of the racist war on terror is Israel. It matters.
>
>
>
> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie Schwartz"
> <lhs_emf@> wrote:
> >
> > For anyone who actually cares about the truth to this continuing
> misinformation being promoted here again by Eastman, (Eastman:
> > essentially "my sampling - few Jews killed at the WTC 9/11/01")
> check out the following.
> >
> > Here is a list of the names of those who died in the WTC. As a
Jew,
> I know what names are likely Jewish and which are not. I am not
> > going to go thru all of them one by one and tell you which are
> which. If you have been around a bit you will know on your own.
> >
> > Highlight the names to see the full name, very roughly at least
1/3
> (conservatively) are Jewish.
> >
> > http://www.9-11heroes.us/victims-world-trade-center.php
> >
> > Here is another discussion of this issue, with more links and an
> analysis of the misinformation Eastman continues to spew. The
> > estimate here is between 400 - 500 people of Jewish decent died in
> the WTC towers on 9/11/01. There are a series of articles
> > debunking these lies via this link.
> >
> > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=331277
> >
> > Moreover this issue, the tragedy which 9/11 is and represents does
> not have a dam thing to do with who is Jewish and who is not or
> > how the events occurred or why they occurred again has nothing to
> do with Jews or Jewishness or Israel, or American Jews, or French
> > Jews, or German Jews, etc. As I told you before its about money
and
> power. AGAIN, if you really want to have the background history
> > to understand this event read John Loftus, read Webster Tarpley.
> Educate yourself, don't be lazy, don't indulge in your prejudices.
> > Learn that lesson and it will take you a long way in life. That is
> the most important lesson anyone can take from this discussion.
> >
> > Dick, if you really cared about the truth you would investigate
the
> truth about it and stop the lies. Are you admitting now below to
> > laziness' rather than hatred? If that is your excuse, then ask
> yourself if that is the standard you really want to live by and use
> > as a guide for your efforts in this or any or important study when
> you communicate with others about the important issues they
> > should be aware of. You could not prove your assertion on this
> issue but yet you repeated it again. What conclusion are we to draw
> > from that I wonder?
> >
> > Your statements have been shameful, stupid and most of all wrong.
> You ought to know that Jewish people like myself love this country
> > as much as you do and we fight and die for it and have done so
> throughout its history, and we devote ourselves to this country as
> > much as you obviously think you do.
> >
> > But there is one big difference between all of us (who are
rational
> and concerned) and you, as one of a group of haters who have
> > been writing in this caliber of trash to this message board. We
> don't call people names based on race or religion, we don't make up
> > stupid theories about history based on simpleton ideas and
> misinformation. We have learned the hard way not to keep hate in
our
> > hearts and we have learned just how thoughtless and dangerous it
is
> to go about life that way. We have seen the results and we don't
> > want to see them again, no matter who the victim might be next
> time. We take the time to learn and to understand and to be as
> > accurate and honest with ourselves and others as we can be and if
> we do not know the truth we research it honestly and keep our
> > mouths shut until we do know the truth, rather than go about
> repeatedly making baseless statements which prove our ignorance to
> > others.
> >
> > Dick, take the time when you write and think about these topic to
> make distinctions that are truly meaningful and accurate and
> > constructive. When you do that we will all be grateful for your
> efforts.
> >
> > Leslie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:48 PM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting
> >
> >
> > From: Leslie Schwartz
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Jew Baiting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for
those
> with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was
> > going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have
wanted
> the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long
> > time, but that is not why the event happened.
> >
> >
> >
> > Leslie Schwartz, yes I am Jewish and if don't like it you know
> what you can do about it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lets see Eastman prove just one if his hate based contentions,
as
> you said below, prove to us Eastman that no one of Jewish
> > ethnicity or decent was killed in the 9/11/01 attack. If you can
> prove that point Eastman then shut up and talk about what you can
> > prove.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Leslie,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not in a position to prove that no one of Jewish ethnicity
> or decent was killed in 9/11/01 attack. The sampling of names I
> > have seen (e.g. the long series on WTC deaths biographies that
thre
> New York Times ran) showed very few Jewish names in my
> > ampling -- not the high ratio of Jewish names I would expect for
> New York City and the hub of finance and world trade. I do take
> > the word of several sources on the internet that only two Israelis
> died. But no proof that there were no Jews killed at WTC -- only
> > indications that there were too few than one would expect.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some of the greatest people in the world have been Jewish -- I
> have known great acts of mercy and generosity by Jews -- paying
> > for an operation for my brother, simply because he wanted to. My
> favorite college professor -- my model of a good man -- is Jewish
> > (Dr. Richard Glassman at LFC)
> >
> >
> >
> > I often say "Jews" when the just discrimination would narrow
that
> to Mossad, or Zionists, or Neo-cons, or Likudniks -- or even
> > more justly I should have narrowed it to this or that
individual --
> >
> >
> >
> > so I am in the wrong -- but I am also mindful that I force Jews
> to ask themselves -- "is he right about me?" "am I allowing
> > myself to be a part of or to go along with what Eastman is
pointing
> out (Neo-con Zionist guilt for 9-11)
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is a letter that will interest you:
> >
> >
> >
> > =================
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello, Al.
> >
> > Do you think 9-11 was an inside job?
> >
> > If so, do you think Zionist's in the White House, Pentagon,
Israel
> > had anything to do with it?
> >
> > Do you think their Zionism was a large part of their motivation?
> >
> > I answer "yes" to all three questions and I have what I think
> > is ample proof of each point.
> >
> > I never claimed to be sane or to know what sanity is -- but I
> > understand evidence and can reach the logical implications
> > that follow from sufficiently complete evidence.
> >
> > Any time you want to discuss the message and what it is
> > based on, rather than the messenger -- I will be happy to
> > walk you through what I have found.
> >
> > Here is a sample:
> >
> > http://bedoper.com/eastman
> >
> > I trust you are still the great investigator you were when we
> corresponded so long ago.
> >
> > Maybe in better -- saner -- times we will compare notes again.
I
> could only gain.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washinton
> >
> > P.S. as for the impotence of internet posting -- I am taken in
> by chaos theory
> > and that one-quintillion-to-one shot that I just may be the
> little butterfly who
> > could. flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap ... --DE
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <aelewis@>
> > To: <foo@>; <anti-capitalism@yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: <Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:48 PM
> > Subject: [A-C] Re: Joni Ferris nails self-important Jew hater
> Dick Eastman
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Yes, Joni, it does seem that Dick has become a rabid Jew-hater
> > over the past several years. It was not always so. I have
observed
> > his posts over many months on anti-capitalism, as well as long
ago
> > (5 years ago) on other lists. It seems that the stress of his
life
> > (which has been considerable), combined with a latent inner
> > scapegoat-ism and perhaps xenophobia (characteristic of
> > right-wingers), has precipitated a psychic degeneration into
> > Paranoid Personality Disorder (see below) with a special
> > Jew-hating spin.
> >
> > (Note that I say "Jew-hating" rather than "anti-semitic". The
> > bigtime anti-semitism in the world today is amongst the
Zionists,
> > the "Christian" Zionists, and other muslim-haters. Jew-hating
is a
> > special, narrow type of anti-semitism which ought to be
> > distinguished from its parent.)
> >
> > It seems that Dick, like G L Rockwell (founder of the American
> > Nazi Party), has yielded to "the ageless impulse of men and
women
> > eaten by the disease of hatred to find a political expression or
> > rationalization for their malady":
> >
> > . http://www.salon.com/books/review/1999/07/19/simonelli/ ---
> > . "[Rockwell] drank too much, battled depression, was left by
> > . several wives, became estranged from his family and spun
> further
> > . and further out of control; you'll wince at the passages in
> which
> > . his goodhearted brother and William F. Buckley, whom Rockwell
> > . hounded, try to get him help. In the succinct summation from
a
> > . 1967 volume that that Simonelli cites, Rockwell gave in
to 'the
> > . ageless impulse of men and women eaten by the disease of
> hatred to
> > . find a political expression or rationalization for their
> malady.'"
> >
> > I've watched this degeneration in several other people. Some of
> > them were quite acute thinkers and great writers, until their
> > deterioration set in. In some cases it is hard to account for
it.
> > Though in Dick's case it is not so hard; he has been quite open
> > about the extreme stresses of his personal life. That, combined
as
> > I say with a latent tendency, has added up to his current
> > relentless stream of semi-demented anti-Jewish ravings and
> > screechings. The anti-capitalism yahoo list has become a
cesspool,
> > unfortunately -- and largely on his account. What we have here
is
> > the anti-capitalism of Goebbels and Himmler, sputtering barely
> > coherently about Jewish bankers' conspiracies. (And yes, Jewish
> > bankers ARE an important aspect of this mess; just that their
> > badness does not inhere in their Jewishness.)
> >
> > There was something in me, years ago (circa 2001), that flashed
a
> > warning sign, and I removed Dick from my email list and
generally
> > cut off communication. Somehow I sensed what was to come. And it
> > came! Oh, brother, did it come.
> >
> > The paranoia was evident in years past. For example, if a
message
> > of his was held up for a few hours, or just did not get through,
> > he would immediately conclude that it was because "they" were
out
> > to get him, and were denying him access to the chat boards or
> > whatever. Of course, it IS possible that "they" (the
> > establishment) might shut down people who are saying things that
> > they do not like. Indeed it has actually happened, and I expect
> > that it will happen increasingly. But for someone with insight,
it
> > is very unlikely that "they" would so selectively target a
single
> > individual -- an individual with NO power, purchase or
credibility
> > in the circles where it counts. In other words, you'd have to
be a
> > tad nuts, or at least seriously lacking in insight, to think
that
> > "they" would go out of their way to shut you down when you are
> > (pardon me) a pipsqueak ranter from Lower Bumfuck, Nebraska,
> > posting on a list with 323 pipsqueak members like you and me.
Yes,
> > "they" exist -- and they don't give a good God Damn about
> > Yahoo-group yahoos like us. Sorry.
> >
> > In charity, I will grant that the capitalist system generally
does
> > tend to make people crazy. The stress, combined with the toxic
> > diet and outright environmental toxins, combined with the sense
of
> > powerlessness (based on the REALITY of powerlessness), combined
> > with some personal bad breaks, can drive people nuts. Not hard
to
> > understand.
> >
> > And, perhaps Dick's personal degeneration was in some measure
> > fueled by the actual (inexcusable) behavior of radical Zionists,
> > Likudniks and the like, who persistently refuse to take
> > responsibility, and who deny their (very real and not just
> > incidental) role in the current mess. Witness the brouhaha just
> > the last week or two over the Mearsheimer/Walt piece. The Israel
> > lobby not only does not want to take any responsibility, it
wants
> > to deny its own existence! THAT can drive people nuts, too.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > PS: Note that Paranoid Personality Disorder (below) is NOT
> > paranoid psychosis, with loss of contact with reality.
Personality
> > disorders are characterized by a somewhat tenuous grasp of
reality
> > (shall we say: "creative" personal representations of it!) --
not
> > with a loss of contact with it. It is more of a personal
> > mind-style than a "disease"; see Hofstader's fine article:
> > The Paranoid Style in American Politics
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anti-capitalism/message/18977
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
> > http://mentalhelp.net/disorders/sx37.htm
> >
> > Paranoid Personality Disorder
> >
> > A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that
their
> > motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early
> > adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by
> > four (or more) of the following:
> >
> > 1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are
exploiting,
> > harming, or deceiving him or her
> >
> > 2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or
> > trustworthiness of friends or associates
> >
> > 3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear
> > that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
> >
> > 4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign
> > remarks or events
> >
> > 5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults,
> > injuries, or slights
> >
> > 6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that
> > are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to
> > counterattack
> >
> > 7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding
> > fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
> >
> > -----------------
> >
> > Criteria summarized from: American Psychiatric Association.
> > (1994). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders,
> > fourth edition. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric
Association.
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > "From the standpoint of any sane person, the present problem of
> > capitalist concentration is not only a question of law, but of
> > criminal law, not to mention criminal lunacy." -- G K Chesterton
> >
> > "You will know you have spoken the truth when you are angrily
> > denounced; and you will know you have spoken both truly and
> > well when you are visited by the police." -- J B R Yant
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:22:45 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: A Day in the Life: 4/13/6
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April 13, 2006
Be Prepared for the Collapse of
a Big Hedge Fund or a Similar Crisis,
EU Regulators Are Told
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:58:36 +0100 From: Rowan Berkeley
<rowan.berkeley@googlemail.com>
Be prepared for a crisis, EU regulators are told
By Graham Searjeant, Financial Editor, The Times (London), April 08,
2006
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13130-2124232,00.html
Financial regulators in all EU countries are to be asked today to
prepare for
the collapse of a big hedge fund or a similar sudden financial shock.
EU finance
ministers and central bankers, meeting in Vienna, were told that the
collapse of
a hedge fund could now destabilise European financial systems as well
as the
financial markets.
They have equally raised anxieties about the rapid growth of private
equity.
They fear that this could unravel if one of the key sources of funds or
markets
for selling on companies dries up. Officials also argue that many
regulators do
not understand the risks involved in the £10,000 billion market in
credit
derivatives, which are traded privately between banks rather than on
public
exchanges.
A private report drawn up by finance ministry officials of EU states
says:
"Hedge funds can contribute to market efficiency and sharing of risks
but can
also be a source of systems risks." The report urges the central banks
and
regulators to monitor banks' exposure to hedge funds, both as lenders
and as
counterparties to massive speculative positions in financial and
commodity
derivatives. Banks are also heavy lenders to private equity buyouts,
which
provide them with more profitable but riskier business.
The officials complain that many of the EU's financial regulators have
simply
failed to take the precautionary measures that were agreed by finance
ministers,
including Britain's Gordon Brown, two years ago. They want ministers to
call for
their national regulators to run detailed simulation exercises to find
out what
they would need to do if faced with a domino collapse of liquidity or
asset
values in their markets. The biggest hedge fund collapse so far
occurred eight
years ago at the US fund Long Term Capital Management but it involved
heavy
positions in European asset markets. It led to Alan Greenspan, then
chairman of
the US Federal Reserve Board, organising an international support plan
for LTCM
and standing ready to supply cash to the financial markets if required.
Jean-Claude Trichet, the President of the European Central Bank, has
created an
otherwise upbeat atmosphere about the eurozone economy at the weekend
talks
hosted by Austria, which holds the EU presidency. After Thursday's ECB
meeting,
which left interest rates unchanged, M Trichet said that it would be
wrong to
assume that a further rate rise would come in May.
As central bankers now usually try to prepare markets for rate changes
rather
than to surprise them, EU ministers now assume that rates will not be
raised
next month in spite of much hawkish talk.
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From: "scol202" <yahooboxx@ntlworld.com>
Date: April 12, 2006 6:08:42 AM EST
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Physicist says heat substance felled WTC
Reply-To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Susan Dean – Deseret Morning News April 10, 2006
A Brigham Young University physicist said he now believes an incendiary
substance called thermite, bolstered by sulfur, was used to generate
exceptionally hot fires at the World Trade Center on 9/11, causing
the structural steel to fail and the buildings to collapse.
"It looks like thermite with sulfur added, which really is a very
clever idea," Steven Jones, professor of physics at BYU, told a
meeting of the Utah Academy of Science, Arts and Letters at Snow
College Friday.
The government requires standard explosives to contain tag elements
enabling them to be traced back to their manufacturers. But no tags
are required in aluminum and iron oxide, the materials used to make
thermite, he said. Nor, he said, are tags required in sulfur.
Jones is co-chairman, with James H. Fetzer, a distinguished professor
of philosophy at the University of Minnesota of Scholars for 9/11
Truth, a group of college faculty members who believe conspirators
other than pilots of the planes were directly involved in bringing
down New York's Trade Towers.
The group, which Jones said has 200 members, maintains a Web site at
www.st911.org A 40-page paper by Jones, along with other peer-
reviewed and non-reviewed academic papers, are posted on the site.
Last year, Jones presented various arguments for his theory that
explosives or incendiary devices were planted in the Trade Towers,
and in WTC 7, a smaller building in the Trade Center complex, and
that those materials, not planes crashing into the buildings, caused
the buildings to collapse.
At that time, he mentioned thermite as the possible explosive or
incendiary agent. But Friday, he said he is increasingly convinced
that thermite and sulfur were the root causes of the 9/11 disaster.
He told college professors and graduate students from throughout Utah
gathered for the academy meeting that while almost no fire, even one
ignited by jet fuel, can cause structural steel to fail, the
combination of thermite and sulfur "slices through steel like a hot
knife through butter."
He ticked off several pieces of evidence for his thermite fire
theory:
First, he said, video showed a yellow, molten substance splashing off
the side of the south Trade Tower about 50 minutes after an airplane
hit it and a few minutes before it collapsed. Government
investigators ruled out the possibility of melting steel being the
source of the material because of the unlikelihood of steel melting.
The investigators said the molten material must have been aluminum
from the plane.
But, said Jones, molten aluminum is silvery. It never turns yellow.
The substance observed in the videos "just isn't aluminum," he said.
But, he said, thermite can cause steel to melt and become yellowish.
Second, he cited video pictures showing white ash rising from the
south tower near the dripping, liquefied metal. When thermite burns,
Jones said, it releases aluminum-oxide ash. The presence of both
yellow-white molten iron and aluminum oxide ash "are signature
characteristics of a thermite reaction," he said.
Another item of evidence, Jones said, is the fact that sulfur traces
were found in structural steel recovered from the Trade Towers. Jones
quoted the New York Times as saying sulfidization in the recovered
steel was "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the (official)
investigation." But, he said, sulfidization fits the theory that
sulfur was combined with thermite to make the thermite burn even
hotter than it ordinarily would.
Jones said a piece of building wreckage had a gray substance on the
outside that at one point had obviously been a dripping molten metal
or liquid. He said that after thermite turns steel or iron into a
molten form, and the metal hardens, it is gray.
He added that pools of molten metal were found beneath both trade
towers and the 47-story WTC 7. That fact, he said, was never
discussed in official investigation reports.
And even though WTC 7 was not connected to the Trade Towers — in
fact, there was another building between it and the towers —and even
though it was never hit by a plane, it collapsed. That suggests, he
said, that it came down because a thermite fire caused its structural
steel to fail.
Jones said his studies are confined to physical causes of the
collapses, and he doesn't like to speculate about who might have
entered the buildings and placed thermite and sulfur. But he said 10
to 20 people "in the know," plus other people who didn't know what
they were doing but did what they were told, could have placed
incendiary packages over several weeks.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635198488,00.html
Also see:
Y. professor thinks bombs, not planes, felled WTC
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3808
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Iran: The Next Neocon Target
HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS to U.S. House of Reps
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:03:20 EDT From: Ichee@aol.com
HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS Before the U.S. House of Representatives April
5, 2006
ICHEE.org COMMENT - let the world listen to one member of the Congress
of the
United States who has the wisdom and courage to understand and speak
the truth
about Iran.
April 5, 2006
Iran: The Next Neocon Target
It's been three years since the U.S. launched its war against Saddam
Hussein and
his weapons of mass destruction. Of course now almost everybody knows
there were
no WMDs, and Saddam Hussein posed no threat to the United States.
Though some of
our soldiers serving in Iraq still believe they are there because
Saddam Hussein
was involved in 9/11, even the administration now acknowledges there
was no
connection. Indeed, no one can be absolutely certain why we invaded
Iraq. The
current excuse, also given for staying in Iraq, is to make it a
democratic
state, friendly to the United States. There are now fewer denials that
securing
oil supplies played a significant role in our decision to go into Iraq
and stay
there. That certainly would explain why U.S. taxpayers are paying such
a price
to build and maintain numerous huge, permanent military bases in Iraq.
They're
also funding a new billion dollar embassy- the largest in the world.
The significant question we must ask ourselves is: What have we learned
from
three years in Iraq? With plans now being laid for regime change in
Iran, it
appears we have learned absolutely nothing. There still are plenty of
administration officials who daily paint a rosy picture of the Iraq we
have
created. But I wonder: If the past three years were nothing more than a
bad
dream, and our nation suddenly awakened, how many would, for national
security
reasons, urge the same invasion? Would we instead give a gigantic sigh
of relief
that it was only a bad dream, that we need not relive the three-year
nightmare
of death, destruction, chaos and stupendous consumption of tax dollars.
Conceivably we would still see oil prices under $30 a barrel, and most
importantly, 20,000 severe U.S. causalities would not have occurred. My
guess is
that 99% of all Americans would be thankful it was only a bad dream,
and would
never support the invasion knowing what we know today.
Even with the horrible results of the past three years, Congress is
abuzz with
plans to change the Iranian government. There is little resistance to
the rising
clamor for "democratizing" Iran, even though their current president,
Mahmoud
Almadinejad, is an elected leader. Though Iran is hardly a perfect
democracy,
its system is far superior to most of our Arab allies about which we
never
complain. Already the coordinating propaganda has galvanized the
American people
against Iran for the supposed threat it poses to us with weapons of mass
destruction that are no more present than those Saddam Hussein was
alleged to
have had. It's amazing how soon after being thoroughly discredited over
the
charges levied against Saddam Hussein the Neo-cons are willing to use
the same
arguments against Iran. It's frightening to see how easily Congress,
the media,
and the people accept many of the same arguments against Iran that were
used to
justify an invasion of Iraq.
Since 2001 we have spent over $300 billion, and occupied two Muslim
nations--Afghanistan and Iraq. We're poorer but certainly not safer for
it. We
invaded Afghanistan to get Osama bin Laden, the ring leader behind
9/11. This
effort has been virtually abandoned. Even though the Taliban was
removed from
power in Afghanistan, most of the country is now occupied and
controlled by
warlords who manage a drug trade bigger than ever before. Removing the
Taliban
from power in Afghanistan actually served the interests of Iran, the
Taliban's
arch enemy, more than our own.
The longtime Neo-con goal to remake Iraq prompted us to abandon the
search for
Osama bin Laden. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 was hyped as a noble
mission,
justified by misrepresentations of intelligence concerning Saddam
Hussein and
his ability to attack us and his neighbors. This failed policy has
created the
current chaos in Iraq-- chaos that many describe as a civil war. Saddam
Hussein
is out of power and most people are pleased. Yet some Iraqis, who dream
of
stability, long for his authoritarian rule. But once again, Saddam
Hussein's
removal benefited the Iranians, who consider Saddam Hussein an arch
enemy.
Our obsession with democracy-- which is clearly conditional, when one
looks at
our response to the recent Palestinian elections-- will allow the
majority Shia
to claim leadership title if Iraq's election actually leads to an
organized
government. This delights the Iranians, who are close allies of the
Iraqi Shia.
Talk about unintended consequences! This war has produced chaos, civil
war,
death and destruction, and huge financial costs. It has eliminated two
of Iran's
worst enemies and placed power in Iraq with Iran's best friends. Even
this
apparent failure of policy does nothing to restrain the current march
toward a
similar confrontation with Iran. What will it take for us to learn from
our
failures?
Common sense tells us the war in Iraq soon will spread to Iran. Fear of
imaginary nuclear weapons or an incident involving Iran-- whether
planned or
accidental-- will rally the support needed for us to move on Muslim
country #3.
All the past failures and unintended consequences will be forgotten.
Even with deteriorating support for the Iraq war, new information, well
planned
propaganda, or a major incident will override the skepticism and
heartache of
our frustrating fight. Vocal opponents of an attack on Iran again will
be
labeled unpatriotic, unsupportive of the troops, and sympathetic to
Iran's
radicals.
Instead of capitulating to these charges, we should point out that
those who
maneuver us into war do so with little concern for our young people
serving in
the military, and theoretically think little of their own children if
they have
any. It's hard to conceive that political supporters of the war would
consciously claim that a pre-emptive war for regime change, where young
people
are sacrificed, is only worth it if the deaths and injuries are limited
to other
people's children. This, I'm sure, would be denied-- which means their
own
children are technically available for this sacrifice that is so often
praised
and glorified for the benefit of the families who have lost so much. If
so, they
should think more of their own children. If this is not so, and their
children
are not available for such sacrifice, the hypocrisy is apparent.
Remember, most
Neo-con planners fall into the category of chicken-hawks.
For the past 3 years it's been inferred that if one is not in support
of the
current policy, one is against the troops and supports the enemy. Lack
of
support for the war in Iraq was said to be supportive of Saddam Hussein
and his
evil policies. This is an insulting and preposterous argument. Those
who argued
for the containment of the Soviets were never deemed sympathetic to
Stalin or
Khrushchev. Lack of support for the Iraq war should never be used as an
argument
that one was sympathetic to Saddam Hussein. Containment and diplomacy
are far
superior to confronting a potential enemy, and are less costly and far
less
dangerous-- especially when there's no evidence that our national
security is
being threatened.
Although a large percentage of the public now rejects the various
arguments for
the Iraq war, 3 years ago they were easily persuaded by the politicians
and
media to fully support the invasion. Now, after 3 years of terrible
pain for so
many, even the troops are awakening from their slumber and sensing the
fruitlessness of our failing effort. Seventy-two percent of our troops
now
serving in Iraq say it's time to come home, yet the majority still
cling to the
propaganda that we're there because of 9/11 attacks, something even the
administration has ceased to claim. Propaganda is pushed on our troops
to
exploit their need to believe in a cause that's worth the risk to life
and limb.
I smell an expanded war in the Middle East, and pray that I'm wrong. I
sense
that circumstances will arise that demand support regardless of the
danger and
cost. Any lack of support, once again, will be painted as being soft on
terrorism and al Qaeda. We will be told we must support Israel, support
patriotism, support the troops, and defend freedom. The public too
often only
smells the stench of war after the killing starts. Public objection
comes later
on, but eventually it helps to stop the war. I worry that before we can
finish
the war we're in and extricate ourselves, the patriotic fervor for
expanding
into Iran will drown out the cries of, "enough already!"
The agitation and congressional resolutions painting Iran as an enemy
about to
attack us have already begun. It's too bad we can't learn from our
mistakes.
This time there will be a greater pretense of an international effort
sanctioned
by the UN before the bombs are dropped. But even without support from
the
international community, we should expect the plan for regime change to
continue. We have been forewarned that "all options" remain on the
table. And
there's little reason to expect much resistance from Congress. So far
there's
less resistance expressed in Congress for taking on Iran than there was
prior to
going into Iraq. It's astonishing that after three years of bad results
and
tremendous expense there's little indication we will reconsider our
traditional
non-interventionist foreign policy. Unfortunately, regime change, nation
building, policing the world, and protecting "our oil" still constitute
an
acceptable policy by the leaders of both major parties.
It's already assumed by many in Washington I talk to that Iran is dead
serious
about obtaining a nuclear weapon, and is a much more formidable
opponent than
Iraq. Besides, Mahmoud Almadinjad threatened to destroy Israel and that
cannot
stand. Washington sees Iran as a greater threat than Iraq ever was, a
threat
that cannot be ignored.
Iran's history is being ignored, just as we ignored Iraq's history. This
ignorance or deliberate misrepresentation of our recent relationship to
Iraq and
Iran is required to generate the fervor needed to attack once again a
country
that poses no threat to us. Our policies toward Iran have been more
provocative
than those towards Iraq. Yes, President Bush labeled Iran part of the
axis of
evil and unnecessarily provoked their anger at us. But our mistakes
with Iran
started a long time before this president took office.
In 1953 our CIA, with help of the British, participated in overthrowing
the
democratic elected leader, Mohamed Mossedech. We placed the Shah in
power. He
ruled ruthlessly but protected our oil interests, and for that we
protected
him-- that is until 1979. We even provided him with Iran's first nuclear
reactor. Evidently we didn't buy the argument that his oil supplies
precluded a
need for civilian nuclear energy. From 1953 to 1979 his authoritarian
rule
served to incite a radical Muslim opposition led by the Ayatollah
Khomeini, who
overthrew the Shah and took our hostages in 1979. This blowback event
was slow
in coming, but Muslims have long memories. The hostage crisis and
overthrow of
the Shah by the Ayatollah was a major victory for the radical
Islamists. Most
Americans either never knew about or easily forgot our unwise meddling
in the
internal affairs of Iran in 1953.
During the 1980s we further antagonized Iran by supporting the Iraqis
in their
invasion of Iran. This made our relationship with Iran worse, while
sending a
message to Saddam Hussein that invading a neighboring country is not
all that
bad. When Hussein got the message from our State Department that his
plan to
invade Kuwait was not of much concern to the United States he
immediately
proceeded to do so. We in a way encouraged him to do it almost like we
encouraged him to go into Iran. Of course this time our reaction was
quite
different, and all of a sudden our friendly ally Saddam Hussein became
our arch
enemy. The American people may forget this flip-flop, but those who
suffered
from it never forget. And the Iranians remember well our meddling in
their
affairs. Labeling the Iranians part of the axis of evil further
alienated them
and contributed to the animosity directed toward us.
For whatever reasons the Neo-conservatives might give, they are bound
and
determined to confront the Iranian government and demand changes in its
leadership. This policy will further spread our military presence and
undermine
our security. The sad truth is that the supposed dangers posed by Iran
are no
more real than those claimed about Iraq. The charges made against Iran
are
unsubstantiated, and amazingly sound very similar to the false charges
made
against Iraq. One would think promoters of the war against Iraq would
be a
little bit more reluctant to use the same arguments to stir up hatred
toward
Iran. The American people and Congress should be more cautious in
accepting
these charges at face value. Yet it seems the propaganda is working,
since few
in Washington object as Congress passes resolutions condemning Iran and
asking
for UN sanctions against her.
There is no evidence of a threat to us by Iran, and no reason to plan
and
initiate a confrontation with her. There are many reasons not to do so,
however.
Iran does not have a nuclear weapon and there's no evidence that she is
working
on one--only conjecture.
If Iran had a nuclear weapon, why would this be different from
Pakistan, India,
and North Korea having one? Why does Iran have less right to a
defensive weapon
than these other countries?
If Iran had a nuclear weapon, the odds of her initiating an attack
against
anybody-- which would guarantee her own annihilation-- are zero. And
the same
goes for the possibility she would place weapons in the hands of a
non-state
terrorist group.
Pakistan has spread nuclear technology throughout the world, and in
particular
to the North Koreans. They flaunt international restrictions on nuclear
weapons.
But we reward them just as we reward India.
We needlessly and foolishly threaten Iran even though they have no
nuclear
weapons. But listen to what a leading Israeli historian, Martin Van
Creveld, had
to say about this: "Obviously, we don't want Iran to have a nuclear
weapon, and
I don't know if they're developing them, but if they're not developing
them,
they're crazy."
There's been a lot of misinformation regarding Iran's nuclear program.
This
distortion of the truth has been used to pump up emotions in Congress
to pass
resolutions condemning her and promoting UN sanctions.
IAEA Director General Mohamed El Baradi has never reported any evidence
of
"undeclared" sources or special nuclear material in Iran, or any
diversion of
nuclear material.
We demand that Iran prove it is not in violation of nuclear agreements,
which is
asking them impossibly to prove a negative. El Baradi states Iran is in
compliance with the nuclear NPT required IAEA safeguard agreement.
We forget that the weapons we feared Saddam Hussein had were supplied
to him by
the U.S., and we refused to believe UN inspectors and the CIA that he
no longer
had them.
Likewise, Iran received her first nuclear reactor from us. Now we're
hysterically wondering if someday she might decide to build a bomb in
self
interest.
Anti-Iran voices, beating the drums of confrontation, distort the
agreement made
in Paris and the desire of Iran to restart the enrichment process. Their
suspension of the enrichment process was voluntary, and not a legal
obligation.
Iran has an absolute right under the NPT to develop and use nuclear
power for
peaceful purposes, and this is now said to be an egregious violation of
the NPT.
It's the U.S. and her allies that are distorting and violating the NPT.
Likewise
our provision of nuclear materials to India is a clear violation of the
NPT.
The demand for UN sanctions is now being strongly encouraged by
Congress. The
"Iran Freedom Support Act," HR 282, passed in the International
Relations
Committee; and recently the House passed H Con Res 341, which
inaccurately
condemned Iran for violating its international nuclear non-proliferation
obligations. At present, the likelihood of reason prevailing in
Congress is
minimal. Let there be no doubt: The Neo-conservative warriors are still
in
charge, and are conditioning Congress, the media, and the American
people for a
pre-emptive attack on Iran. Never mind that Afghanistan has unraveled
and Iraq
is in civil war: serious plans are being laid for the next distraction
which
will further spread this war in the Middle East. The unintended
consequences of
this effort surely will be worse than any of the complications
experienced in
the three-year occupation of Iraq.
Our offer of political and financial assistance to foreign and domestic
individuals who support the overthrow of the current Iranian government
is
fraught with danger and saturated with arrogance. Imagine how American
citizens
would respond if China supported similar efforts here in the United
States to
bring about regime change! How many of us would remain complacent if
someone
like Timothy McVeigh had been financed by a foreign power? Is it any
wonder the
Iranian people resent us and the attitude of our leaders? Even though
El Baradi
and his IAEA investigations have found no violations of the
NPT-required IAEA
safeguards agreement, the Iran Freedom Support Act still demands that
Iran prove
they have no nuclear weapons-- refusing to acknowledge that proving a
negative
is impossible.
Let there be no doubt, though the words "regime change" are not found
in the
bill-- that's precisely what they are talking about. Neo-conservative
Michael
Ledeen, one of the architects of the Iraq fiasco, testifying before the
International Relations Committee in favor of the IFSA, stated it
plainly: "I
know some Members would prefer to dance around the explicit declaration
of
regime change as the policy of this country, but anyone looking closely
at the
language and context of the IFSA and its close relative in the Senate,
can
clearly see that this is in fact the essence of the matter. You can't
have
freedom in Iran without bringing down the Mullahs."
Sanctions, along with financial and political support to persons and
groups
dedicated to the overthrow of the Iranian government, are acts of war.
Once
again we're unilaterally declaring a pre-emptive war against a country
and a
people that have not harmed us and do not have the capacity to do so.
And don't
expect Congress to seriously debate a declaration of war resolution.
For the
past 56 years Congress has transferred to the executive branch the
power to go
to war as it pleases, regardless of the tragic results and costs.
Secretary of State Rice recently signaled a sharp shift towards
confrontation in
Iran policy as she insisted on $75 million to finance propaganda,
through TV and
radio broadcasts into Iran. She expressed this need because of the
so-called
"aggressive" policies of the Iranian government. We're seven thousand
miles from
home, telling the Iraqis and the Iranians what kind of government they
will
have, backed up by the use of our military force, and we call them the
aggressors. We fail to realize the Iranian people, for whatever faults
they may
have, have not in modern times aggressed against any neighbor. This
provocation
is so unnecessary, costly, and dangerous.
Just as the invasion of Iraq inadvertently served the interests of the
Iranians,
military confrontation with Iran will have unintended consequences. The
successful alliance engendered between the Iranians and the Iraqi
majority Shia
will prove a formidable opponent for us in Iraq as that civil war
spreads.
Shipping in the Persian Gulf through the Straits of Hormuz may well be
disrupted
by the Iranians in retaliation for any military confrontation. Since
Iran would
be incapable of defending herself by conventional means, it seems
logical that
some might resort to a terrorist attack on us. They will not passively
lie down,
nor can they be destroyed easily.
One of the reasons given for going into Iraq was to secure "our" oil
supply.
This backfired badly: Production in Iraq is down 50%, and world oil
prices have
more than doubled to $60 per barrel. Meddling with Iran could easily
have a
similar result. We could see oil over $120 a barrel and, and $6 gas at
the pump.
The obsession the Neo-cons have with remaking the Middle East is hard to
understand. One thing that is easy to understand is none of those who
planned
these wars expect to fight in them, nor do they expect their children
to die in
some IED explosion.
Exactly when an attack will occur is not known, but we have been
forewarned more
than once that all options remain on the table. The sequence of events
now
occurring with regards to Iran are eerily reminiscent of the hype prior
to our
pre-emptive strike against Iraq. We should remember the saying: "Fool
me once
shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." It looks to me like the
Congress and
the country is open to being fooled once again.
Interestingly, many early supporters of the Iraq war are now highly
critical of
the President, having been misled as to reasons for the invasion and
occupation.
But these same people are only too eager to accept the same flawed
arguments for
our need to undermine the Iranian government.
The President's 2006 National Security Strategy, just released, is
every bit as
frightening as the one released in 2002 endorsing pre-emptive war. In
it he
claims: "We face no greater challenge from a single country than from
Iran." He
claims the Iranians have for 20 years hidden key nuclear activities--
though the
IAEA makes no such assumptions nor has the Security Council in these 20
years
ever sanctioned Iran. The clincher in the National Security Strategy
document is
if diplomatic efforts fail, confrontation will follow. The problem is
the
diplomatic effort-- if one wants to use that term-- is designed to fail
by
demanding the Iranians prove an unproveable negative. The West-- led by
the
U.S.-- is in greater violation by demanding Iran not pursue any nuclear
technology, even peaceful, that the NPT guarantees is their right.
The President states: Iran's "desire to have a nuclear weapon is
unacceptable."
A "desire" is purely subjective, and cannot be substantiated nor
disproved.
Therefore all that is necessary to justify an attack is if Iran fails
to prove
it doesn't have a "desire" to be like the United States, China, Russia,
Britain,
France, Pakistan, India, and Israel- whose nuclear missiles surround
Iran. Logic
like this to justify a new war, without the least consideration for a
congressional declaration of war, is indeed frightening.
Common sense tells us Congress, especially given the civil war in Iraq
and the
mess in Afghanistan, should move with great caution in condoning a
military
confrontation with Iran.
Cause for Concern
Most Americans are uninterested in foreign affairs until we get mired
down in a
war that costs too much, last too long, and kills too many U.S. troops.
Getting
out of a lengthy war is difficult, as I remember all too well with
Vietnam while
serving in the U.S. Air Force from 1963 to 1968. Getting into war is
much
easier. Unfortunately the Legislative branch of our government too
often defers
to the Executive branch, and offers little resistance to war plans even
with no
significant threat to our security. The need to go to war is always
couched in
patriotic terms and falsehoods regarding an imaginary eminent danger.
Not
supporting the effort is painted as unpatriotic and wimpish against
some evil
that's about to engulf us. The real reason for our militarism is rarely
revealed
and hidden from the public. Even Congress is deceived into supporting
adventurism they would not accept if fully informed.
If we accepted the traditional American and constitutional foreign
policy of
non-intervention across the board, there would be no temptation to go
along with
these unnecessary military operations. A foreign policy of intervention
invites
all kinds of excuses for spreading ourselves around the world. The
debate shifts
from non-intervention versus interventionism, to where and for what
particular
reason should we involve ourselves. Most of the time it's for less than
honorable reasons. Even when cloaked in honorable slogans-- like making
the
world safe for democracy-- the unintended consequences and the ultimate
costs
cancel out the good intentions.
One of the greatest losses suffered these past 60 years from
interventionism
becoming an acceptable policy of both major parties is respect for the
Constitution. Congress flatly has reneged on its huge responsibility to
declare
war. Going to war was never meant to be an Executive decision, used
indiscriminately with no resistance from Congress. The strongest
attempt by
Congress in the past 60 years to properly exert itself over foreign
policy was
the passage of the Foley Amendment, demanding no assistance be given to
the
Nicaraguan contras. Even this explicit prohibition was flaunted by an
earlier
administration.
Arguing over the relative merits of each intervention is not a true
debate,
because it assumes that intervention per se is both moral and
constitutional.
Arguing for a Granada-type intervention because of its "success," and
against
the Iraq war because of its failure and cost, is not enough. We must
once again
understand the wisdom of rejecting entangling alliances and rejecting
nation
building. We must stop trying to police the world and instead embrace
non-interventionism as the proper, moral, and constitutional foreign
policy.
The best reason to oppose interventionism is that people die,
needlessly, on
both sides. We have suffered over 20,000 American casualties in Iraq
already,
and Iraq civilian deaths probably number over 100,000 by all reasonable
accounts. The next best reason is that the rule of law is undermined,
especially
when military interventions are carried out without a declaration of
war.
Whenever a war is ongoing, civil liberties are under attack at home.
The current
war in Iraq and the misnamed war on terror have created an environment
here at
home that affords little constitutional protection of our citizen's
rights.
Extreme nationalism is common during wars. Signs of this are now
apparent.
Prolonged wars, as this one has become, have profound consequences. No
matter
how much positive spin is put on it, war never makes a society
wealthier. World
War II was not a solution to the Depression as many claim. If a billion
dollars
is spent on weapons of war, the GDP records positive growth in that
amount. But
the expenditure is consumed by destruction of the weapons or bombs it
bought,
and the real economy is denied $1 billion to produce products that
would have
raised someone's standard of living.
Excessive spending to finance the war causes deficits to explode. There
are
never enough tax dollars available to pay the bills, and since there
are not
enough willing lenders and dollars available, the Federal Reserve must
create
enough new money and credit for buying Treasury Bills to prevent
interest rates
from rising too rapidly. Rising rates would tip off everyone that there
are not
enough savings or taxes to finance the war. This willingness to print
whatever
amount of money the government needs to pursue the war is literally
inflation.
Without a fiat monetary system wars would be very difficult to finance,
since
the people would never tolerate the taxes required to pay for it.
Inflation of
the money supply delays and hides the real cost of war. The result of
the
excessive creation of new money leads to the higher cost of living
everyone
decries and the Fed denies. Since taxes are not levied, the increase in
prices
that results from printing too much money is technically the tax
required to pay
for the war.
The tragedy is that the inflation tax is borne more by the poor and the
middle
class than the rich. Meanwhile, the well-connected rich, the
politicians, the
bureaucrats, the bankers, the military industrialists, and the
international
corporations reap the benefits of war profits.
A sound economic process is disrupted with a war economy and monetary
inflation.
Strong voices emerge blaming the wrong policies for our problems,
prompting an
outcry for protectionist legislation. It's always easier to blame
foreign
producers and savers for our inflation, lack of savings, excess debt,
and loss
of industrial jobs. Protectionist measures only make economic
conditions worse.
Inevitably these conditions, if not corrected, lead to a lower standard
of
living for most of our citizens.
Careless military intervention is also bad for the civil disturbance
that
results. The chaos in the streets of America in the 1960s while the
Vietnam War
raged, aggravated by the draft, was an example of domestic strife
caused by an
ill-advised unconstitutional war that could not be won. The early signs
of civil
discord are now present. Hopefully we can extricate ourselves from Iraq
and
avoid a conflict in Iran before our streets explode as they did in the
60s.
In a way it's amazing there's not a lot more outrage expressed by the
American
people. There's plenty of complaining but no outrage over policies that
are not
part of our American tradition. War based on false pretenses, 20,000
American
casualties, torture policies, thousands jailed without due process,
illegal
surveillance of citizens, warrantless searches, and yet no outrage.
When the
issues come before Congress, Executive authority is maintained or even
strengthened while real oversight is ignored.
Though many Americans are starting to feel the economic pain of paying
for this
war through inflation, the real pain has not yet arrived. We generally
remain
fat and happy, with a system of money and borrowing that postpones the
day of
reckoning. Foreigners, in particular the Chinese and Japanese, gladly
participate in the charade. We print the money and they take it, as do
the OPEC
nations, and provide us with consumer goods and oil. Then they loan the
money
back to us at low interest rates, which we use to finance the war and
our
housing bubble and excessive consumption. This recycling and perpetual
borrowing
of inflated dollars allows us to avoid the pain of high taxes to pay
for our war
and welfare spending. It's fine until the music stops and the real
costs are
realized, with much higher interest rates and significant price
inflation.
That's when outrage will be heard, and the people will realize we can't
afford
the "humanitarianism" of the Neo-conservatives.
The notion that our economic problems are principally due to the
Chinese is
nonsense. If the protectionists were to have their way, the problem of
financing
the war would become readily apparent and have immediate
ramifications-- none
good. Today's economic problems, caused largely by our funny money
system, won't
be solved by altering exchange rates to favor us in the short run, or by
imposing high tariffs. Only sound money with real value will solve the
problems
of competing currency devaluations and protectionist measures.
Economic interests almost always are major reasons for wars being
fought. Noble
and patriotic causes are easier to sell to a public who must pay and
provide
cannon fodder to defend the financial interests of a privileged class.
The fact that Saddam Hussein demanded Euros for oil in an attempt to
undermine
the U.S. dollar is believed by many to be one of the ulterior motives
for our
invasion and occupation of Iraq. Similarly, the Iranian oil burse now
about to
open may be seen as a threat to those who depend on maintaining the
current
monetary system with the dollar as the world's reserve currency.
The theory and significance of "peak oil" is believed to be an
additional
motivating factor for the U.S. and Great Britain wanting to maintain
firm
control over the oil supplies in the Middle East. The two nations have
been
protecting "our" oil interests in the Middle East for nearly a hundred
years.
With diminishing supplies and expanding demands, the incentive to
maintain a
military presence in the Middle East is quite strong. Fear of China and
Russia
moving into this region to assume more control alarms those who don't
understand
how a free market can develop substitutes to replace diminishing
resources.
Supporters of the military effort to maintain control over large
regions of the
world to protect oil fail to count the real costs once the DOD budget is
factored in. Remember, invading Iraq was costly and oil prices doubled.
Confrontation in Iran may evolve differently, but we can be sure it
will be
costly and oil prices will rise.
There are long-term consequences or blowback from our militant policy of
intervention around the world. They are unpredictable as to time and
place. 9/11
was a consequence of our military presence on Muslim holy lands; the
Ayatollah
Khomeini's success in taking over the Iranian government in 1979 was a
consequence of our CIA overthrowing Mossadech in 1953. These
connections are
rarely recognized by the American people and never acknowledged by our
government. We never seem to learn how dangerous interventionism is to
us and to
our security.
There are some who may not agree strongly with any of my arguments, and
instead
believe the propaganda: Iran and her President, Mahmoud Almadinjad, are
thoroughly irresponsible and have threatened to destroy Israel. So all
measures
must be taken to prevent Iran from getting nukes-- thus the campaign to
intimidate and confront Iran.
First, Iran doesn't have a nuke and is nowhere close to getting one,
according
to the CIA. If they did have one, using it would guarantee almost
instantaneous
annihilation by Israel and the United States. Hysterical fear of Iran
is way out
of proportion to reality. With a policy of containment, we stood down
and won
the Cold War against the Soviets and their 30,000 nuclear weapons and
missiles.
If you're looking for a real kook with a bomb to worry about, North
Korea would
be high on the list. Yet we negotiate with Kim Jong Il. Pakistan has
nukes and
was a close ally of the Taliban up until 9/11. Pakistan was never
inspected by
the IAEA as to their military capability. Yet we not only talk to her,
we
provide economic assistance-- though someday Musharraf may well be
overthrown
and a pro-al Qaeda government put in place. We have been nearly
obsessed with
talking about regime change in Iran, while ignoring Pakistan and North
Korea. It
makes no sense and it's a very costly and dangerous policy.
The conclusion we should derive from this is simple: It's in our best
interest
to pursue a foreign policy of non-intervention. A strict interpretation
of the
Constitution mandates it. The moral imperative of not imposing our will
on
others, no matter how well intentioned, is a powerful argument for
minding our
own business. The principle of self-determination should be respected.
Strict
non-intervention removes the incentives for foreign powers and corporate
interests to influence our policies overseas. We can't afford the cost
that
intervention requires, whether through higher taxes or inflation. If
the moral
arguments against intervention don't suffice for some, the practical
arguments
should.
Intervention just doesn't work. It backfires and ultimately hurts
American
citizens both at home and abroad. Spreading ourselves too thin around
the world
actually diminishes our national security through a weakened military.
As the
superpower of the world, a constant interventionist policy is perceived
as
arrogant, and greatly undermines our ability to use diplomacy in a
positive
manner.
Conservatives, libertarians, constitutionalists, and many of today's
liberals
have all at one time or another endorsed a less interventionist foreign
policy.
There's no reason a coalition of these groups might not once again
present the
case for a pro-American, non-militant, non-interventionist foreign
policy
dealing with all nations. A policy of trade and peace, and a
willingness to use
diplomacy, is far superior to the foreign policy that has evolved over
the past
60 years.
It's time for a change.
--
Peter Myers, 381 Goodwood Rd, Childers 4660, Australia ph +61 7 41262296
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers Mirror:
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Iraq's US/UK Permanent Bases: Intentional Obfuscation
By Sarah Meyer
April 11, 2006
Global Research and Index Research
There is Pentagon and US governmental obfuscation surrounding United
States permanent bases in Iraq. Whilst Donald Rumsfeld, US Secretary of
Defence, continues to deny a permanent US presence there, the facts
appear to contradict his statements.
In February 2002, Zoltan Grossman wrote the following cogent perception
entitled New US Bases: Side Effects or Causes of War? “Even if this
administration pulls combat troops out of Iraq in the future, it
intends to keep at least four large permanent military bases, and
access or 'basing rights' to many smaller bases, to keep control over
oil supplies and shipments, support counterinsurgency operations, and
to use Iraq as a launching pad against Iran or Syria. The only way that
Washington can avoid this impression is to explicitly renounce any
future permanent military bases in Iraq."
On 19 April 2003, A NY Times headline said: “A NATION AT WAR: STRATEGIC
SHIFT; PENTAGON EXPECTS LONG-TERM ACCESS TO KEY IRAQ BASES. … “military
officials … spoke of maintaining perhaps four bases in Iraq that could
be used in the future: one at the international airport just outside
Baghdad; another at Tallil, near Nasiriya in the south; the third at an
isolated airstrip called H-1 in the western desert, along the old oil
pipeline that runs to Jordan; and the last at the Bashur air field in
the Kurdish north.
On the 21st of April Rumsfeld said in a press briefing “I have never,
that I can recall, heard the subject of a permanent base in Iraq
discussed in any meeting … we don't plan to function as an occupier, we
don't plan to prescribe to any new government how we ought to be
arranged in their country… We have no desire to be there for long
periods, we simply don't. And that's just a cold, hard fact."
On 23 March 2004, Christine Spolar said in The Chicago Tribune that
there was a “long term military presence planned” in Iraq. “U.S.
engineers are focusing on constructing 14 "enduring bases," long-term
encampments for the thousands of American troops expected to serve in
Iraq for at least two years. The bases also would be key outposts for
Bush administration policy advisers.” Major Kimmitt said, “This is a
blueprint for how we could operate in the Middle East." The US was
making plans for Iraqi bases in Baghdad, Mosul, Taji, Balad, Kirkuk and
in areas near Nasiriyah, near Tikrit, near Fallujah and between Irbil
and Kirkuk. There were also plans “to renovate and enhance airfields in
Baghdad and Mosul, and rebuild 70 miles of road on the main route for
U.S. troops headed north.”
In June ’04, major construction (Parsons / KRB) at Taji Military Base
was completed. Major construction on other US bases continued.
In August 2004, an order was issued to vacate the former presidential
palaces in Mosul, Tikrit, Ramadi, Basra and Baghdad, but this order was
rescinded in 11.04. No further news …
September ’04, and Rumsfeld was speaking before the Senate Armed Forces
Committee. “Rearranging our global posture … is essential to our
success,” he said.
On 30 September, Dick Francis of the Christian Science Monitor quotes
Jessica Mathews, president of the Washington’s Carnegie Endowment for
International Peace, as saying that permanent bases in Iraq are a
“disastrously bad idea.”
In February 2005, Rumsfeld reported again to the Senate Armed Services
Committee: "we have no intention, at the present time, of putting
permanent bases in Iraq.”
In April 2005, a new report from the Congressional Research Service,
commissioned by Congressman Dennis Kuchinich, showed “that the United
States is investing hundreds of millions of dollars in the construction
of "long-term" bases in Iraq … some projects … suggest substantial U.S.
investment to improve facilities that could be used for the
longer-term." These long-term projects in Iraq include, $214 million
for the Balad Air Base and $49 million for the Taji Military Complex.
The March-April ’05 Mother Jones report by Joshua Hammer fully
discusses ‘enduring bases’, and contains interesting quotes from
General Garner, Bremer, General Zinni, Brig. Gen. Pollman, Karen
Kwiatkowski and Jessica Matthews of the Carnegie Endowment for
International Peace in Washington, D.C., who said: "It will convince
people across the Arab world that we went there to install an American
regime in the Middle East."
On 22.05.05, Bradley Graham wrote in the Washington Post that
Commanders were planning “eventual consolidation of US Bases in Iraq.”
This “entailed the construction of longer-lasting facilities at the
sites, including barracks and office structures made of concrete block
instead of the metal trailers and tin-sheathed buildings that have
become the norm at bigger U.S. bases in Iraq… But they said the
consolidation plan was not meant to establish a permanent U.S. military
presence in Iraq.”
Congress approved an $82m supplemental ‘war spending bill’, also in May
’05.
In the summer of 2005, a Kuwaiti firm was ‘awarded’ the $592million
contract for the new US embassy in Baghdad, to be completed by 2007.
Built to withstand attack, this Ozymandius on the Tigris, composed of a
cluster of 21 buildings, will have “a gym, swimming pool, barber and
beauty shops, a food court and a commissary. In addition to the main
embassy buildings, there will be a large-scale US Marine barracks, a
school, locker rooms, a warehouse, a vehicle maintenance garage, and
six apartment buildings with a total of 619 one-bedroom units. Water,
electricity and sewage treatment plants will all be independent from
Baghdad's city utilities. The total site will be two-thirds the area of
the National Mall in Washington, DC.” It will be the largest US embassy
in the world.
By mid-2005, the U.S. military had 106 ‘forward operating bases’ in
Iraq, including what the Pentagon calls 14 "enduring" bases (twelve of
which are located on the map) – all of which were to be consolidated
into “perhaps” four bases that could be used in the future.2” By 2006,
34 of the (now admitted) 110 bases had been vacated.3 Two palaces in
Tikrit and one in Mosul were due to be turned over to the government in
Iraq at the end of 2005. No further news …
In an Agence France report on 11 March ‘06, Zalmay Khalilzad, one of
the signers of the 1998 PNAC letter to President Clinton supporting
regime change in Iraq, and since November ’05 the US ambassador in
Baghdad, said his country “did not want permanent military bases in
Iraq and that he was willing to talk to Iran about the war-torn
country's future.”
Oil anarchy threatens Iraq's future suggested a Reuters headline.
“Rampant corruption and political anarchy have pushed Iraq's oil
industry to the brink of collapse and may drive away the experts needed
to save it.” On the same day (15.03), another Reuters report said that
“While the Bush administration has downplayed prospects for permanent
U.S. bases in Iraq, Gen. John Abizaid told a House of Representatives
subcommittee he could not rule that out.” Abizaid also said the “United
States and its allies have a vital interest in the oil-rich region ...
Ultimately it comes down to the free flow of goods and resources on
which the prosperity of our own nation and everybody else in the world
depend." Also on the 15th, 700 more US troops from Kuwait were being
dispatched to Iraq.
On 16 March ’06, the US Congress passed the
Lee-Allen-Hinchey-Schakowsky Amendment, assuring that "None of the
funds in this Act may be used by the US government to enter into a
basing rights agreement between the United States and Iraq."4 An April
Senate vote is pending.
Peter Spiegal picked up this thread in his Los Angeles Times story,
‘Bush's Requests for Iraqi Base Funding Make Some Wary of Extended
Stay,’ quoting the exorbitant DoD expenditures on US bases in Iraq.
20 March ’06: White House Press Conference
Q.: “…will there come a day when there will be no more American forces
in Iraq?”
THE PRESIDENT: “That, of course, is an objective, and that will be
decided by future Presidents and future governments of Iraq.”
21 March: Charles Hanley of the Associated Press, after visiting US
bases in Iraq, said that “Elaborate U.S. bases raise long-term
questions.” Zinni, a former Centcom chief, said of long term bases:
“It's a stupid idea and clearly politically unacceptable.” Hanley says,
“In early 2006, no one's confirming such next steps, but a Balad
"master plan," details undisclosed, is nearing completion, a possible
model for al-Asad, Tallil and a fourth major base, al-Qayyarah in
Iraq's north.” Except for Balad, these are different ‘permanent’ bases
than those first mentioned in 2003.
A recent story (30.03.06) in Stars and Stripes says that six bases will
produce their own drinking water. Perhaps this is ‘the’ clue for future
‘permanent’ US bases? These are: Camp Anaconda, located at Balad Air
Base; Camps al-Asad; Speicher; TQ; Q-West and Victory.
Condi Rice, on 04.04.06, "brushed aside suggestions that the United
States wants an indefinite troop presence and permanent military bases
in Iraq."
Prime Minister Blair also has the habit of obscuring his intentions.
One can almost be sure that if he, or a member of his government, says,
“there is no plan …”, there IS, indeed, a plan. We read on the
28.02.06, in Hansard, the following written question, followed by the
written answer from Adam Ingram, Minister of State (Armed Forces),
Ministry of Defence:
"Mr. Salmond: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what
discussions he has had with his US counterparts over their plans to set
up 14 permanent military bases in Iraq. [218827]
Mr. Ingram: Ministers at the Ministry of Defence are in continuous
dialogue with all of our allies, including the United States, on a
range of issues. My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for
Defence has had no discussions with his US counterparts on plans to set
up permanent military bases in Iraq."
On 2 April 06, Andrew Buncombe wrote an article with a new twist in the
The Independent entitled: “US and UK forces establish 'enduring bases'
in Iraq.” A spokesperson for the coalition forces, Major Breasseale,
said: "The current plan is to reduce the coalition footprint into six
consolidation bases - four of which are US ... We have no intention of
remaining, or indeed retaining bases in Iraq long-term.”
The 10 April Guardian shows a NY Times photograph by Doug Mills of
George Bush at Centom joint operations centre in Fort MacDill in
Florida. In the background is a large centcom map of Iraq, also on five
computers in the foreground. On this map, the following bases are
marked: Qayyarah West, Kirkuk, Al Sahra near Tikrit, al Asad, Balad, Al
Taquaddum, H2 and H3, al Salman North and Talill. Baghdad is a large
centre dot -- Camp Victory, the future US embassy and Baghdad airport
are part of the Baghdad complex. A small part of this map is blocked by
people / computers in the forefront.
The number of remaining US bases is now stated as being 75, one less
than in 2005. We still have no firm idea of the US time-scale in Iraq.
We now also have the confirmed confusion of “enduring” (that favourite
PNAC word) UK bases in Iraq. And, surprise, surprise - ‘Our Tony’ had
not informed the UK about this UK/Iraq agenda. We shall hopefully soon
have another ‘leaked’ memo.
The US (and now apparently also that of the UK) administration’s
subterfuge is transparent. The US building of bases in Iraq continues5,
whilst any thought of US construction or humanitarian programme
benefiting the Iraqi people is in the dustbin. The US government does
not care about the Iraqi people. The US cares only about controlling
Iraqi oil pipelines, pacifying its soldiers with comfortable mod coms
and making a different kind of ‘killing’ from corporate DoD deals.
Keeping Iraq in a perpetual state of violence, keeping Osama bin Laden
alive (even if he is dead) is beneficial to the US government and its
octopussy corporate purse-strings.
This article originally published on 3rd April 2006 on Index Research
Sarah Meyer is a researcher living in Sussex, UK.
http://indexresearch.blogspot.com
email: sarahnmeyer@yahoo.com
Other Source Material
1. 13.03.06. Dahr Jamail, uruknet Iraq: Permanent US Colony
2. 30 March 2006 Iraq bases spur questions over US plans
3. Ozymandius by: Percy Bysshe Shelley
“I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert... Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal these words appear:
My name is Ozymandius, King of Kings,
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
Footnotes
[1] Further maps
[2] Baghdad International Airport; Tallil; H1; Bashur air field.
[3] Hanley, Charles, AP, 21.03.06
[4] Roll call vote (Democrats in italics) Abercrombie, Baldwin,
Blackburn, Blumenauer, Campbell (CA), Cannon, Capps, Clay, Coble,
Conyers, Cooper, Costello, Cubin, Deal (GA), Eshoo, Farr, Flake, Frank
(MA), Gohmert, Grijalva, Gutierrez, Hensarling, Hinchey, Holt, Inslee,
Jackson-Lee (TX), Johnson, Sam, King (IA), Kucinich, Lee, Lewis (GA),
Maloney, Markey, McCollum (MN), McDermott, McGovern, McHenry, McKinney,
McNulty, Meehan, Michaud, Miller, George, Moore (WI), Neal (MA),
Neugebauer, Olver, Owens, Pallone, Paul, Payne, Pence, Petri, Rangel,
Rothman, Schakowsky, Sensenbrenner, Serrano, Solis, Stark, Tancredo,
Thompson (CA), Tierney, Velázquez, Waters, Watson, Watt, Waxman,
Weiner, Westmoreland, Woolsey, Wu
[5] How American Contractors With The Help Of U.S. Government Raped
Iraq. Iraq’s Missing Billions.
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From: Tejo Pramono <tpramono@viacampesina.org>
Date: April 13, 2006 6:38:05 AM EST
To: viacam17april <viacam17april@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [viacam17april] Action and Mobilization for Peasant Struggle
Day Started/ Acciones y movilizaciones para el DIA de la lucha
campesina ya empiezan
Action and
Mobilization for Peasant Struggle Day Started
This mid of April will be marked with the peasant activities for the
commemoration of 17th of April of International Day of Peasant
Struggle. Members of Via Campesina world wide have reported their plan
of action for that commemoration.
As it has been released on the early of this month, for this year
commemoration La Via Campesina calls for its members in the world and
also other social movements to to make mobilization and action on the
issue of : implementation of genuine agrarian reform, the derailment of
WTO and other free trade agreement, stopping the GMO and other related
technology and the criminalization of and violence against peasant
organization.
>From the information that we just received, Via Campesina members in
Latin America, Europe and Asia will make their actions, mobilization
and festivals. For instance, Via Campesina member in Brazil, MST, will
hold very special activities, as this year mark the tenth year of the
violence towards farmer’s struggle for agrarian reform, which then
commemorated as the day of peasant struggle. While in India, there will
be an opening ceremony of peasant seed bank with the seed festival. In
Indonesia, peasant will celebrate the struggle date in the rice field
making the rice harvesting festivals.
Please see below the first list of activities from each region and
please keep on sending information for the actions and activities in
your country/ organizations.
1. Brazil : MST in Brazil is calling all its friends to mobilize on
April 17
1/ To organise actions in front of the Brazilian ambasies to protest
against the impunity in the case of the massacre of Eldorado do
Carajas. 17 landless farmers were killed and justice has not been done.
2/ Joint to this action, MST is calling for solidarity actions with
the women of La Via Campesina – Brazil who occupied an Eucalyptus
plantation (ARACRUZ) in Rio Grande do Sul in March 2006. They are now
suffering criminalization and repression. (Dulcineia Pavan :
srimst@uol.com.br)
2. USA: The Border Agricultural Worker Project in Texas’ mobilizations:
April 10: Migrants mobilizations in major cities and different parts
of US.
(We are also having a march in Juarez, Mexico, tied to all this but
also to commemorate the death of Emiliano Zapata on 1991).
April 17: Farm workers and students protest at the border to attend
the call of La VÃa Campesina and to continue the migrant mobilizations.
May 1: National mobilization (tentatively called “A Day Without
Immigrants”)
(Carlos Marentes : marentes@farmworkers.org)
3. Argentina: MOCASE (Movimiento Campesino de Santiago de Montero) is
organising a conference day with the FM radio 88.7 FM del Monte on
April 17. On April 16, there will organise in the farmers communities
popular education activities, resistance, exchange between urban and
rural areas, recuperation of territories… (sachaioj@uolsinectis.com.ar)
4. Catalunya: The MST support group of Barcelona is organising varias
activities for the International Peasant’s struggle day. But they will
take place on April 22 because April 17 is a festival day and in order
to meet an international Via Campesina delegation.
(Gloria casaldaliga: glocari8@yahoo.es)
5. Ecuador: The CNC (Coordinadora Nacional Campesina) is organizing a
seeds fair in defense of food security and sovereignty and a forum to
debate about “The Challenges of the peasant movement facing
globalization. The activity are taking place in the city of
Cuenca.(cnc@riseup.net)
6. Spain: The MST support group of Madrid is joining a march with
various collectives and organizations on climate change. Every
organization is bringing its own demands and the MST group will be
carrying the farmers call for the April 17. It will also be held on
April 22 because April 17 is a holiday. (komitedeapoyo@mstmadrid.org)
7. Brazil (Para): From April 1 to 17 MST is organizing a large
pedagogical camp. The goal of the mobilization of youth from MST
settlements and camps is to remember 10 years of the massacre of
Eldorado dos Carajas (and 10 years of impunity). (Dulcineia Pavan :
srimst@uol.com.br)
8. Indonesia: on 17th of April FSPI will make the National Rice
Harvesting Ceremony. The celebration will take place in the middle of
paddy field and peasant will have their cultural activities and speech
before harvesting the rice to show the sufficience national production
of rice. Therefore no reason for importing rice as it was needed byWTO.
(fspi@fspi.or.id and website www.fspi.or.id)
9. India: KRRS will make International Seed Carnival on 17 of April,
which inaugurate the peasant managed seed bank. While on 18-19 of April
there will be International Symposium on Seeds and Bio-technolgy in
Agriculture:“Self-Reliance in Seeds is the Goal” in - Mysore, India
(amritabhoomi@yahoo.co.in. Ph:0091-80-28604737 and
Fax:0091-80-28604640.Visit us also at www.amritabhoomi.org)
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The US Propaganda Machine: Oh, What a Lovely War
By Andrew Buncombe
April 11, 2006
Belfast Telegraph - 2006-03-30
The Lincoln Group was tasked with presenting the US version of events
in Iraq to counter adverse media coverage. Here we present examples of
its work, and the reality behind its headlines.
This is the news from Iraq according to Donald Rumsfeld and the Bush
administration.
A week after the US Defence Secretary criticised the media for "
exaggerating" reports of violence in Iraq, The Independent has obtained
examples of newspaper reports the Bush administration want Iraqis to
read.
They were prepared by specially trained American "psy-ops" troops who
paid thousands of dollars to Iraqi newspaper editors to run these
unattributed reports in their publications. In order to hide its
involvement, the Pentagon hired the Lincoln Group to act as a liaison
between troops and journalists. The Lincoln Group was at the centre of
controversy last year when it was revealed the company was being paid
more than $100m (£58m) for various contracts, including the planting of
such stories.
The Pentagon - which recently announced that an internal investigation
had cleared the Lincoln Group of breaching military rules by planting
these stories - has claimed these new reports did not constitute
propaganda because they were factually correct. But a military
specialist has questioned some of the information contained within
their reports while describing their rhetorical style as "comical".
Furthermore, it has been alleged that quotations contained within these
reports and others - attributed to anonymous Iraqi officials or
citizens - were routinely made up by US troops who never went beyond
the perimeter of the Green Zone.
What seems clear is that, taken by themselves, these reports would
provide an unbalanced picture of the situation inside Iraq where
ongoing violence wreaks daily chaos and horror. Three years since US
and UK troops invaded, more than 2,500 coalition troops have been
killed. How many Iraqi civilians have died is unclear. The Iraqi Body
Count puts the minimum at 33,773, but this figure is based on media
reports and the group admits "it is likely that many if not most
civilian casualties will go unreported by the media". An extrapolation
published in The Lancet 18 months ago said more than 100,000 had been
killed.
A former employee of the Lincoln Group, who spent last summer in
Baghdad acting as a link between US troops who were part of the
Information Operations Task Force and Iraqis contracted by the company
to establish contact with Iraqi journalists, said his job was to ensure
"there were no finger-prints".
"The Iraqis did not know who was writing the stories and the US troops
did not know who the Iraqis were," said the former employee, who
declined to be named. It is not known whether the stories included here
were ever printed or simply prepared for publication, but he said it
was normal for around 10 stories a week to be printed. He said US
troops routinely fabricated their quotations.
The former employee said the Lincoln Group paid up to $2,000 for the
publication of each article - a sum that had risen from when he started
working, suggesting the Iraqi editors realised who was behind the
articles and knew there was plenty of money. The Lincoln Group was paid
$80,000 a week by the military to plant these stories.
The former employee said the stories - which often feature phrases such
as " brave warriors" and "eager troops" - were designed to bolster the
image and purported efficiency of the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) and
their involvement in operations. The Bush administration says the
ability of Iraqi security forces to deal with insurgents remains the
key to a withdrawal of US troops.
In reality, while one article describes the ISF as a "potent fighting
force", the training of Iraqi forces has been a slow and troubled
process. The Pentagon recently said the only Iraqi battalion judged
capable of fighting without US support had been downgraded, requiring
it to fight with American troops.
John Pike, the director of GlobalSecurity.org, a Washington-based
defence think-tank, who reviewed some of the Lincoln Group stories,
said he found them unconvincing. "Anybody who knows about propaganda
knows the first rule of propaganda is that it should not look like
propaganda," he said. "It's embarrassing enough that [the US military]
got caught ... but then for their product to be so cheesy ... It's just
embarrassing."
He added: "Some of the vignettes are cartoonish. The ISF? Many of them
are surely brave. But a potent fighting force? I think that's a little
clearer than the truth. It's propaganda."
Another story mentions the Iraqi oil industry and calls it "unique in
that it is the only sector in which every dollar invested, either
directly or indirectly, provides direct revenue to Iraq for future
reconstruction" .
Yet a report published last November by a group of aid agencies and
NGOs claimed that production-sharing agreements (PSAs) proposed by the
US State Department before the invasion and adopted by the Coalition
Provisional Authority (CPA), could see Iraqis lose $200bn in revenue if
the plan comes into effect.
Data collated by the Brookings Institution says oil production in Iraq
remains below the estimated pre-invasion levels. At the moment, Iraq
annually spends $6bn to import oil.
The Lincoln Group is headed by Christian Bailey, a Briton with no
experience in PR, and a former US Marine, Paige Craig. The company
failed to respond to a call seeking comment yesterday. A spokesman for
the US military in Iraq, Lieut-Col Barry Johnson, said last night: "The
results of the investigation have not yet been made public while the
report undergoes final review by Multinational Force leadership. I am
unable to comment on unsubstantiated allegations."
While the Lincoln Group has been cleared by one Pentagon inquiry, it
remains the subject of a separate inquiry being conducted by the
Pentagon's Office of the Inspector General (OIG). A spokesman, Gary
Comerford, said that the OIG had been asked by the Democratic Senator
Ted Kennedy to review how the company had won its contract.
Criticising the media last week, Mr Rumsfeld said: "Much of the
reporting in the US and abroad has exaggerated the situation...
Interestingly, all of the exaggerations seem to be on one side.... The
steady stream of errors all seem to be of a nature to inflame the
situation and to give heart to the terrorists."
'AL-QA'IDA THREATENS ALL IRAQIS' 24 October 2005
The Lincoln version
The chief murderer of al-Qa'ida in Iraq has declared war against all
Iraqis. They have also lamely attempted to justify the murder of
civilians. Some websites featured the Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's
praise of his heathen deeds. The people of Iraq have had enough.
"These thugs clearly hate us; they do not share in our national pride
or our belief in a unified Iraq," said one Iraqi. "They only wish to
kill our women, our children, our future. We must not and will not let
them."
Horror stories are told in homes and shops of friends and family
members casually murdered while going about their daily business. These
... are simple folk trying to make the best of their lives. How many
more suicide bombs have to go off before al-Qa'ida realises that there
is no room for them in the land of the two rivers? In one particular
attack, terrorists murdered a young boy and stuffed his body full of
explosives in an attempt to lure security forces into an ambush. Is
this the only future terrorism has to offer?
The reality check
At least 20 people were killed and 42 others injured when three suicide
bombers targeted Baghdad's Palestine Hotel, used by media and
contractors. A dozen construction labourers were killed in an attack on
Al-Musayyab, south of Baghdad. Muhammad Ali Nu'aymi, secretary of the
director-general of al-Mansur municipality, was killed by gunmen.
Bodies of six Iraqi citizens were found in al-Mahmudiyah, southern
Baghdad.
'IRAQI ARMY DEFEATS TERRORISM' 26 October 2005
The Lincoln version
With the people's approval of the constitution, Iraq is well on its way
to forming a permanent government. Meanwhile, the underhanded forces of
al-Qa'ida remain bent on halting progress and inciting civil war. The
honest citizens of Iraq, however, need not fear these criminals and
terrorists. The brave warriors of the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) are
hard at work stopping al-Qa'ida's attacks before they occur.
On 24 October, soldiers near Taji received a report that terrorists
were stockpiling dangerous weapons. The soldiers found over 150 tank
and artillery rounds. These munitions are similar to the ones that
al-Qa'ida bomb-makers often use to construct their deadly bombs. The
troops destroyed every last round, ensuring they will never be used
against the Iraqi people.
Three al-Qa'ida mercenaries in Baqubah were planning to conduct a
suicide vest attack. Officers of the Iraqi Police Service (IPS) spotted
them as they drove towards their target. But then something happened.
The would-be murderer lost his faith and leapt from the moving vehicle.
One of the other suicide bombers panicked and detonated his vest while
still inside the car, instantly killing himself and another accomplice.
The reality check
At least five Iraqis killed by suicide bomber on bus in Baqubah,
north-east of Baghdad. Bodies of nine Iraqi border guards, who were
shot dead, found previous day. Joint US-Iraqi convoy targeted by car
bomb in al-Ma'mun area of Baghdad.
'QUICK REACTION CAPTURES BOMBER' 12 November 2005
The Lincoln version
In conjunction with operation El-Sitar Elfulathi in Husaybah and
Karabilah, Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) are sweeping across Iraq in a
series of continuous operations aimed at disrupting insurgent activity.
Through diligent patrols, organised raids and searches, vehicle
checkpoints and interaction with the Iraqi people, Iraqi Army (IA)
units have taken down terror cells and removed dangerous criminals from
Iraq's streets.
In Baghdad, a quick response to a terror attack led to the arrest of
the culprit. On 10 November, terrorists detonated a car bomb in eastern
Baghdad wounding three Iraqi women. Immediately the ISF responded,
securing the area and treating and evacuating the injured. The soldiers
quickly examined the site of the bombing, discovering evidence that led
them to the arrest of the suspected bomber. Because of their quick
reaction, there was no loss of innocent life and another terrorist is
in prison and awaiting his trial.
The ISF has quickly developed into a viable fighting force capable of
defending the people of Iraq against the cowards who launch their
attacks on innocent people.
The reality check
Ten people were killed when a car bomb exploded at a market in Baghdad.
Bodies of three men tortured to death discovered in Shula. Coalition
troops killed four alleged insurgents in "safe house" near Ramadi. On
November 10, 7 Iraqis killed 30 wounded by car bomb near Al-Shuruqi
Mosque, north of Baghdad.
'TRAINING PREPARES IRAQI MARINES' 13 November 2005
The Lincoln version
Terrorist attacks often result in damage to Iraq's infrastructure, but
the Ministry of Defence is determined to keep that from continuing. The
brave men of the Iraqi Marines are one step closer to taking charge of
the security mission at the Al Basrah and Khawr Al Amaya Oil Terminals.
Recently, soldiers from the 6th Platoon Iraqi Marines completed the oil
platform defence training at the Al Basrah Oil Terminal.
Their main focus was to acquire the necessary skills to effectively
protect the oil terminals. The students trained up to three to four
times a day, working closely with the instructors. The intense training
they received included how to stand a proper watch, how to work and
fight as a team, and how to defend against terrorist attacks on the
terminals. When these soldiers assume control of security on the
terminal, they will ensure the safety and stability of the maritime
environment.
These operations complement counter-terrorism and security efforts as
well as deny international terrorists use of the waterways as an avenue
of attack.
The reality check
Deputy health minister, Jalil al-Shammari, and his bodyguards are
killed north of Baghdad. Amir Al-Saldi, Baghdad municipal official, is
killed in Ghazaliya. Clashes in al-Qadiyah district of Samarra leave
three dead. An Iraqi soldier is killed and six others wounded, three
seriously, in a roadside bomb explosion in Kirkuk.
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:37:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: mann david <dmann51@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Do Mexicans have Permits For Protests of 50K to 500,000 ...
The problem is the global capitalist system with
something like 1 BILLION unemployed - not the Mexican
worker trying to feed his family. You know all this
stuff about the "American Workers" - you show me a man
who isn't concerned about the working man born 5 miles
the OTHER SIDE and I'll show you a man who really
doesn't GIVE A DAMN about the working man born 5 miles
THIS SIDE of the line. IT's all for show,
hypocritical, baloney. The NATION STATE today is a
GEOGRAPHIC ABSTRACTION, but one being used to great
affect to divide the working class and shield a
decrepit and bankrupt system from any unified
challenge. If you can't rise to this challenge, and
rise above nationalism and chauvinism - YOU'RE A BIG
PART OF THE PROBLEM AND A STRATEGIC ALLY OF THE GLOBAL
CAPITALIST CABAL LEADING US STRAIT TO HELL!! Get
"patriotic" with the BLUE-GREEN BALL WE'RE ALL RIDING
ON TOGETHER.
--- Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The television depicts illegal aliens as people
> doing jobs Americans won't do, and shows footage of
> them picking lettuce out of the ground.
> I'm a union carpenter, which is one of the highest
> paying blue-collar jobs an American can get. When I
> was working in Las Vegas, the Mexicans had taken
> over the construction of the Paris Hotel, and layed
> off all the Americans, while the union hall was
> filled with Americans wishing they could work there.
> Rumour has it that they were kicking part of their
> union wage back to their boss, effectively
> undermining the union, and destroying the ability of
> Americans to work in their own city, at much-coveted
> jobs. That's when I left that city. This was back in
> 1999.
> I really don't want to hear the "jobs Americans
> won't do" bullshit, because that's exactly what it
> is. Bullshit. They're stealing our work, because
> they do it for less, and that's why our government
> turned a blind eye to them swarming over the border
> while Americans begged the government to stop the
> invasion for years. Now that there's 20 million of
> them here, and there's nothing that can really be
> done about their presence, the government finally
> turns to the issue because it's providing a
> distraction for their other crimes.
>
> Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am with jolly on this one. And my wife who
> busted her rearend to get here LEGALLY and OBEY te
> LAWS of THIS country resents this bullshit as well.
> I ahve no problem with immigration either. as long
> as they respect OUR constitution and OUR bills of
> rights and dont demand special treatment. Equal
> rights for ALL! And if they want to come heer then
> they can work for the same wages as anyone else.
> and DEMAND the LEGAL wages. I can think of PLENTY
> of folks that have done and WILL DO all of that work
> that they and the globalists say that WE WONT DO!
> They are just asking a somewhat fair wage. Dont you
> people REALIZE that they are being USED by the
> globalists?! WAKE UP! The more of them that come
> up here and work for a pittance, the more and more
> the globalist corporate scumbags will keep paying
> them less and NOT paying AMERICANS and Greencard
> holders AT ALL! What do you think that THEY would
> do with the shoe on the other FOOT? Hmm.
>
> Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote: I
> have no problem with immigration, but 20 million
> people swarming over the border isn't immigration --
> it's an invasion. In the past immigrants have always
> been allowed into the U.S. in reasonable numbers, so
> their arrival wouldn't adversly impact the economy.
> The horde arriving from mexico is described as
> "immigrants" to frame the discussion in that light,
> rather than address the impact thay're having on the
> lives of Americans. They've already brought down our
> wages, the quality of our pubic school education,
> and American's accessibility to heath care, in
> addition to shipping much of the money they make
> here out of the country. Is there some reason that
> America should be deprived of its right to maintain
> its borders like every other country on the planet?
>
> mann david <dmann51@yahoo.com> wrote: Well said.
>
> --- NoRedCoats@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Now, now, there you go talking about immigrants
> > being treated better than
> > Americans and it's all their fault your are
> treated
> > poorly. These immigrants for
> > the most part work hard and have been referred to
> > as "the sleeping giant."
> > Rather than just sleeping, I think the giant was
> too
> > busy WORKING and now is
> > threatened by some up tight, anal retentive people
> > who actually suffer from an
> > inferiority complex. So, they write legislation
> > that would go after the hard
> > working and poor immigrants punishing them and
> > tearing apart their families,
> > friends, wives, etc. Let me ask you the reader,
> > how many Europeans ever
> > got or applied for some kind of Visa or Passport
> > from Native Americans.
> >
>
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:50:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Thomas Potter <mr_thomas_potter@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Real World
People find the Illuminati to be an abstract and
elusive enemy. Look no further than your computer,
your television, your iPod, your radio, movie or
newspaper.
http://nineeleven2001.tripod.com/images/ua175-1-a.swf
In the real world jet planes explode and break apart
upon impact. They do not disappear unscathed into a
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:38:06 -0400
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Reply to TimeToTell-"Joint Chiefs of Staff" Remove Bush/Cheney Now BeforeWWII
Judy,im a new member,i seek the truth,in doing so,hope you don't treat
others who have opened there eyes,i need info from you,not a bash in the
face,i know in these kinds of groups the men can fight allot,guess us ladies
can turn into real bitches,now if you would be so kind as to explain why you
spoke to me that way,i will have more info,that's why im here !!! Kitty the
bitch who can be rude if i know what is going on,INFO PLEASE !!!! All i did
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: [911TruthAction] Reply to TimeToTell-"Joint Chiefs of Staff" Remove
Bush/Cheney Now BeforeWWII
> Don't you even have a clue that the joint cheifs of staff are defense
contractors, and are profiting from the war, and that 9/11 was engineered by
the corrupt Bush Administration, especially the Dept. of Defense, and that
9/11 was the basis to enter the war, for defense contracts, 600 years of
national debt to rob and conquer the U.S., and to take rights away through
the Patriot Act. Get a clue???
>
> kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote: Done...Kitty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:02 AM
> Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] TimeToTell-"Joint Chiefs of Staff" Remove
> Bush/Cheney Now BeforeWWII
>
>
> > What are the next 3 Neo Con's in line for the presidency should we get
rid
> > of George and his Dick? Or after last week, I should say his Richard?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Subject: [911TruthAction] TimeToTell-"Joint Chiefs of Staff" Remove
> > Bush/Cheney Now BeforeWWII
> >
> >
> > TimeToTell-"Joint Chiefs of Staff" Remove Bush/Cheney Now BeforeWW III
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:55:55 -0000
From: "scol202" <yahooboxx@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
It's about global finace/banking which has a distinctly Jewish aspect.
It's also about the neocon movement which has taken control of Anglo
American politics and their Christian Ziomist foot soldiers
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, amy dalzell <amydalzell@...>
wrote:
>
> Enough people! This isn't about being Jewish. It's about global
corporate fascism, which has a distinctively Protestant complexion.
>
> Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@...> wrote: "as if any self respecting
individual is going to hide the fact they are Jewish"
>
>>
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:58:33 -0700
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: I rest my case. Re: Fw: Jew Baiting Leslie Schwartz, Dick Eastman
----- Original Message -----
From: Leslie Schwartz
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
>I have seen a number of messages on this message board NOT making that distinction, and in fact lumping together, Jews, Zionists, Neocons, mossad, Judaism, Israelis, Ashkenazi Jews, the Rothschild's, the illuminati, the Rockefellers, the Warburg's, PNAC, the CFR, the etc. and etc., and mentioning specific high profile people who may fall within one or more of those categories.
Leslie, all these terms are in use by people doing their own detective work on 9-11 and the origin of the Arab-American wars. When Wolfowitz has Perle, Kissinger, Feith etc. in a group at the Pentagon in the months leading up to 9-11 and when there is proof that the attack on the Pentagon was an inside-job -- then we must ask ourselves what these men -- Wolfowitz, Perle, Kissinger, Feith, Dov Zakheim, Rumsfeld have in common that may be clues to their organization/motives/network/method etc. When dealing the Perle, Wolfowitz and Kissinger a great many leads are obvious -- Jews, Zionists, Neocons, Mossad, Likud, the Rothschild's, the Rockefellers, PNAC, the CFR.
Think about this: An operation like 9-11 -- if it was an inside-job false-flag operation at all -- could not have originated in the overt organization charts of U.S. agencies -- it must have had its origins in secret groups of people who could trust each other with such (dastardly, illegal, secrecy-demanding) plans. Mossad is one of only a few possibilities of where the idea could have been hatched (the other possibility is that the idea was hatched among a group of the world's billionaires -- Perle and Kissinger being their agents -- but even in this case, the next step would have had to have been to bring in Mossad as the primary "caterer" -- because only Mossad (unlike CIA, NSA, MI6) had the ethnic, religious and ideological unity/solidarity (let's call it 'radical likudnikism' if not "Zionism") to work in confidence of the unlikliness of betrayal.
Mossad would be the agency that would then oversee the positioning of accomplices/moles/operatives in all of the critical/strategic/necessary/sufficient positions in the U.S. and British institutions (MI5, MI6, NSA, CIA, FBI, WHite House, Pentagon, FAA) as well as the key control positions of the private sector (sufficient mass media, ADL, think tanks, opinion makers). This could not be accomplished by any organization -- say the NSA -- within the U.S. -- the American leadership by "yes-men" is not that dependable. And so Mossad made sure that all strategic points within the Pentagon were made secure for 9-11. etc.
You yourself are being unfair, Leslie, when you say we "lump together" these terms. When I say "Zionist" I do not mean "Jews" (as in all Jews) -- when I say CFR or PNAC or ADL I mean exactly those organizations and nothing else. No one is "lumping" (i.e., equating) all these things anywhere. Remember, I have said again and again that only individuals commit crimes, not groups -- but individuals work in groups and for groups and it is in groups that we find them and understand them.
>I also recall some hater using the term "crypto-Jews" on this message board as if any self respecting individual is going to hide the fact they are Jewish becomes THAT writer hates Jews. This is delusional and it is offensive.
I also heard someone refer to the Charlie Sheen as a "crypto-Jew" -- a term I don't understand -- maybe Charlie has Jewish people in his family tree, and maybe he does not advertize it (why should he bother -- unless to help his career in Hollywood, but apparently he has not bothered) -- but look at Ed Asner -- also speaking about the 9-11 standdown (I know that Asner is talking "false-flag", I haven't heard him yet) -- but I ask you Leslie -- is "crypto-Jew" any less of an unfair term than calling me a "hater" just because I look in the backgrounds of Perle, Wolfowitz, Kissinger etc. and find common elements of Zionists, Neocons, CFR, Rockefellers, Rothschilds (in Perle's case)? Certainly it is reasonable to look at their backgrounds -- certainly these ties are relevant -- or af least very very very suspicious.
When necessary and accurate distinctions are not made and a message goes out which obviously has some emotion, even anger over the events associated with 9/11/01 (emotion which is otherwise understandable) it is an ugly thing to read, its racist, its UN-AMERICAN and I personally do not think it helps anyone to understand these events or how we can constructively respond to the overall situation.
You are right -- and the worst part is that it alienates intelligent and fair-minded people like yourself, especially since you are Jewish and Jews are needed in raising the cry against the perpetrators -- if only to overcome the strong negatives of the "Jew haters" like me -- or like I have been written off as being.
If you want to be taken seriously and treated with respect for your research and comments, you should know that is not going to be the response when you basically write everything bad that happens in this world is one kind of flavor of the month "Jewish conspiracy" by one name or another.
But 9-11 was a conspiracy of one kind and it did involve men who are confirmed Zionists, it did involve Mossad (see my reasons for saying this), and it did involve the neo-cons -- as represented by the leadership at the Pentagon -- but of course including Cheney and (cipher) Bush (the former of which is a Zionist -- the latter merely a sociopathic useful idiot).
If you make the sufficient and accurate distinctions and make a sincere effort to report only what you have verified to be factual you will not hear any complaints about it. If you don't have proof and only have a theory then say that, and when your making broad accusations about the actions, motives and future plans of groups or categories of people chances are your going to have to account for that uncertainty in your statement, otherwise its an accusation without sufficient proof and it will again cause people to distrust your motives and good-will.
My proof is the Pentagon attack evidence which implicates the Pentagon leadership -- Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Kissinger (in the Wolfowitz group at the Pentagon) and the ties of those men, the interests that put them there. http://bedoper.com/eastman
We are solving a case where the government (which ordinarily would investigate the crime) is itself the guilty party -- and we must work back to find all the people/motives/methods behind the crime.
That being said, I admit to guilt in not making the distinction that when I say that the Pentagon leadership is almost all Jewish and that the Pentagon leadership are implicated in the false-flag attack ont he Pentagon -- that I am not saying that ALL JEWS WERE IN ON THE PLOT. (I would think that intelligent people would understand that without my saying it.) But it is important that they are Jewish, because that leads us to investigate their network and affiliations -- the powers that brought them their, their goals, the way they carried off this complex and far-reaching operation.
Leslie
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.
.
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From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hammond
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:12 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Scott, PLEASE! Note that the distinction between Zionism and Judaism is pointed out. One is NOT the other.
Kevin
Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzithero.com> wrote:
Sorry, in the deluge of all the reasons I hear to go to war, I only saw a couple of e-mails from a few certain people claiming that the Jewish Lobby and Israel wanted the US to go to war, they never responded or were able to share where their source of information was from, so all I had was their personal hearsay, that they got it from someone they trusted, as hearsay and that they themselves were as trustworthy as the person who gave them the hearsay, so there was no need for me to question anything they passed along. That is, they couldn't show me any independent data to show that Israel and the Jewish Lobby screamed for the US to go to war, much less any comments for this, in print. So I have just taken that as Jew Bashing, happens all the time and a great many ludicrous things get dumped on those of Jewish faith that maybe the Israel government may have wanted or tried to do. Even though I haven't been the slightest fan of the Israeli government since the attack on the USS Liberty, that hasn't colored my feelings for individuals of Jewish faith.
When there are hard facts, I gladly accept them, links where I can do my own research, not stuff like the gOlem sends out where all references go back to other stuff he wrote.
So, if you have any hard facts, references I can read myself, that show that the Jewish Lobby and the Israeli government actually pushed for the US to go to war with countries that had no connection with the phantom 911 terrorists (like the 7 Saudi's. that are still alive, last seen in Saudi Arabia itself) please share them. I make up my own mind. If this was a court of law and I was a juror, I definitely couldn't give the death penalty on what information I have seen.
-
A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.
I don't understand that.
You are basing trace amounts of explosives, lets say C-4 since it is compact and easy to transport. A van load of it wouldn't have been enough to take down all three of the WTC towers. Maybe one. No way the building could have been rigged over night. Traditional demolition experts figured weeks in a rush job, more likely months.
So, How it was used, was what was found in their van of a composition that could have made steel turn molten and remain in a liquid form for days later?
To turn this 'suspect' evidence into some scientific fact, you'd have to know if what they had, could have caused the results we saw and fit in with the data we have gathered.
As far as Faux News, I have no idea if they were one of the three stations I watched most that morning, from about 8 minutes after the first plane hit, I watched live newscasts, but Faux News, they are professional revisionist story tellers, their news is to get their advertisers money, not to tell the truth, in my personal opinion, they are trying to take the national Enquirer's business away. Their credibility ain't worth the airwaves they broadcast over.
They are my local station, I know first hand what they report and what they rewrite. They turn peace marches into riots, when no such thing ever happened.
What they showed on the 6 PM news (Pacific time) didn't even compare with what I saw that morning between 8 AM and noon my time. Might have just reported on something in a book of Fiction and called it truth. All they got right was that a great many people died and that a great many people were in shock.
I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place (One of the Towers) about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
I don't understand that either
I have been told, by someone that worked in the WTC towers for years, that there was construction going on for several months before 9/11 and no one knew what it was, much of it was after hours.
I use to be a building demolition junkie, I've seen hundreds of film clips on this, I seen more than a few in person.
Fire didn't take down the WTC towers, explosives as in a demolition did.
I have friends that are pilots, they referred me to several buildings that jet liners had hit and then I researched those thoroughly. I researched to see how many steel structure buildings had fallen from airplane hits and the resulting fires. ZERO. I looked to see how many steel structured buildings I could find that had fallen due to fires, maybe there was more 'interesting footage' like the three WTC towers. ZERO, no other steel structure building has ever fallen from a fire even one induced by crashing a jet liner into it.
Yet I have seen a great many buildings demolished and what I saw that morning, I was sure was a demolition job. After my research, I couldn't only imagine how far off I was thinking of how blood thirsty those who pulled this off were.
I and my X wife read everything we could on the WTC towers after our daughter started work there, about 1998, we both were independently aware that in the original articles of impeachment for Clinton one of the articles was that a private plane had made it into NYC airspace, 12.5 minutes or something like that, and that was the only instance of the 10 minute response time having been violated in 12 years, before that it was a 12 minute response time, until 9/11/01 when it was closer to 1 hour and 43 minutes.
Unfortunately, for my curiosity, to maintain her security clearance, my daughter can't talk about anything other than her emotions that day. If you have ever worked a federal government job, if you've ever been a civilian whose company did contracts for the Government, you'll understand her position and why I never pushed her for any other details.
We know Cheney ordered the Colonel at Norad to stand down. We know that with an inter office memo that Bush transferred the power that congress had given to the president and the President only, to his Vice President, Dick Cheney. We now know that Cheney was in charge of Norad that morning. Of course no one needed to get GW to safety, it was an inside job. That is data, those are things that can be found again and again in internet searches, facts that can be verified, many articles written about them plus Cheney direction Norad is in the 911 Commission report. They fucking aren't afraid of those that do research, they control all the information superhighway except the internet and who knows if we have days or years left there.
I happened to be one of the few people who saw the live interview of the Colonel, I heard it was under national security just like the half dozen videos of what ever hit the pentagon. Yup, so my word is now hearsay. But the 911 commission report telling about Cheney ordering the Norad controllers to stand down, not once, but three times, that data is there for those who dig.
I haven't researched the nitty gritty details that so many others have, I have researched what I saw and heard in 4 hours that morning watching 2 different TV's and all I can find is that it is a darker more sinister picture than I thought that morning.
Se that light at the end of the tunnel over there?
That is the door to the slaughter house.
Follow the sheepeople, follow stuff that you can't verify as truth yourself and that is where you are headed.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:26 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11 is
Israel?
Iraq and Iran are/were the two biggest threats to the state of
Israel's existence. The Jewish lobby and the Israeli government
screamed loudest for the war
I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
Carlyle group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I
am looking at the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World
health Organization.
Yes, American criminals benefited too. Americans also helped with
9/11 they deserved some payback, don't you think ?
Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
when you say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA,
and 5 men with a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is
suspect but..
It's white hot suspect, absolutely correct, couldn't be much hotter.
Israeli spies selling paintings were found to have addresses close to
the hijackers, this was reported on Fox news.
A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.
I don't understand that.
I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
I don't understand that either
Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
interviewed just after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that
his superior ordered him to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes
unless given further orders.
Really, I didn't hear that.
Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
undisclosed place was the control room of Norad, as his control
amounted to continually telling the operators there to let the
aircraft through, to issue to warnings to the apparent targets and
especially to not let any of our armed aircraft into the air that
might interfere.
Yes I understood that.
I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want to
be present at the execution.
Cheney isn't even an israeli citizen, he's actually American. he is a
neocon and a member of the PNAC, both predominantly Jewish in
character.
Scott
Eric
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@...>
wrote:
>
> Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11
is
> Israel?
>
> I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
Carlyle
> group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I am
looking at
> the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World health
Organization.
>
> Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
when you
> say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA, and 5
men with
> a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is suspect but.. A van
full of
> C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as controlled
> demolition.
>
> I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their
work place
> about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous
> months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully,
> separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
>
> Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
interviewed just
> after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that his superior
ordered him
> to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes unless given further
orders.
>
> Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
undisclosed
> place was the control room of Norad, as his control amounted to
continually
> telling the operators there to let the aircraft through, to issue to
> warnings to the apparent targets and especially to not let any of
our armed
> aircraft into the air that might interfere.
>
> I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want
to be
> present at the execution.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:39 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
>
> It does matter if five Mossad agents were caught red handed
> celebrating the collapse of the towers with traces of explosives in
> their van. They failed several lie detector tests and the boss of
the
> company fled to Israel. The fact that an Israeli company was warned
> before the attacks matters too.
>
> The main beneficiary of the Iraq war was Israel and the only
> beneficiary of the racist war on terror is Israel. It matters.
>
>
>
> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie Schwartz"
> <lhs_emf@> wrote:
> >
> > For anyone who actually cares about the truth to this continuing
> misinformation being promoted here again by Eastman, (Eastman:
> > essentially "my sampling - few Jews killed at the WTC 9/11/01")
> check out the following.
> >
> > Here is a list of the names of those who died in the WTC. As a
Jew,
> I know what names are likely Jewish and which are not. I am not
> > going to go thru all of them one by one and tell you which are
> which. If you have been around a bit you will know on your own.
> >
> > Highlight the names to see the full name, very roughly at least
1/3
> (conservatively) are Jewish.
> >
> > http://www.9-11heroes.us/victims-world-trade-center.php
> >
> > Here is another discussion of this issue, with more links and an
> analysis of the misinformation Eastman continues to spew. The
> > estimate here is between 400 - 500 people of Jewish decent died in
> the WTC towers on 9/11/01. There are a series of articles
> > debunking these lies via this link.
> >
> > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=331277
> >
> > Moreover this issue, the tragedy which 9/11 is and represents does
> not have a dam thing to do with who is Jewish and who is not or
> > how the events occurred or why they occurred again has nothing to
> do with Jews or Jewishness or Israel, or American Jews, or French
> > Jews, or German Jews, etc. As I told you before its about money
and
> power. AGAIN, if you really want to have the background history
> > to understand this event read John Loftus, read Webster Tarpley.
> Educate yourself, don't be lazy, don't indulge in your prejudices.
> > Learn that lesson and it will take you a long way in life. That is
> the most important lesson anyone can take from this discussion.
> >
> > Dick, if you really cared about the truth you would investigate
the
> truth about it and stop the lies. Are you admitting now below to
> > laziness' rather than hatred? If that is your excuse, then ask
> yourself if that is the standard you really want to live by and use
> > as a guide for your efforts in this or any or important study when
> you communicate with others about the important issues they
> > should be aware of. You could not prove your assertion on this
> issue but yet you repeated it again. What conclusion are we to draw
> > from that I wonder?
> >
> > Your statements have been shameful, stupid and most of all wrong.
> You ought to know that Jewish people like myself love this country
> > as much as you do and we fight and die for it and have done so
> throughout its history, and we devote ourselves to this country as
> > much as you obviously think you do.
> >
> > But there is one big difference between all of us (who are
rational
> and concerned) and you, as one of a group of haters who have
> > been writing in this caliber of trash to this message board. We
> don't call people names based on race or religion, we don't make up
> > stupid theories about history based on simpleton ideas and
> misinformation. We have learned the hard way not to keep hate in
our
> > hearts and we have learned just how thoughtless and dangerous it
is
> to go about life that way. We have seen the results and we don't
> > want to see them again, no matter who the victim might be next
> time. We take the time to learn and to understand and to be as
> > accurate and honest with ourselves and others as we can be and if
> we do not know the truth we research it honestly and keep our
> > mouths shut until we do know the truth, rather than go about
> repeatedly making baseless statements which prove our ignorance to
> > others.
> >
> > Dick, take the time when you write and think about these topic to
> make distinctions that are truly meaningful and accurate and
> > constructive. When you do that we will all be grateful for your
> efforts.
> >
> > Leslie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:48 PM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting
> >
> >
> > From: Leslie Schwartz
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Jew Baiting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for
those
> with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was
> > going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have
wanted
> the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long
> > time, but that is not why the event happened.
> >
> >
> >
> > Leslie Schwartz, yes I am Jewish and if don't like it you know
> what you can do about it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lets see Eastman prove just one if his hate based contentions,
as
> you said below, prove to us Eastman that no one of Jewish
> > ethnicity or decent was killed in the 9/11/01 attack. If you can
> prove that point Eastman then shut up and talk about what you can
> > prove.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Leslie,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not in a position to prove that no one of Jewish ethnicity
> or decent was killed in 9/11/01 attack. The sampling of names I
> > have seen (e.g. the long series on WTC deaths biographies that
thre
> New York Times ran) showed very few Jewish names in my
> > ampling -- not the high ratio of Jewish names I would expect for
> New York City and the hub of finance and world trade. I do take
> > the word of several sources on the internet that only two Israelis
> died. But no proof that there were no Jews killed at WTC -- only
> > indications that there were too few than one would expect.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some of the greatest people in the world have been Jewish -- I
> have known great acts of mercy and generosity by Jews -- paying
> > for an operation for my brother, simply because he wanted to. My
> favorite college professor -- my model of a good man -- is Jewish
> > (Dr. Richard Glassman at LFC)
> >
> >
> >
> > I often say "Jews" when the just discrimination would narrow
that
> to Mossad, or Zionists, or Neo-cons, or Likudniks -- or even
> > more justly I should have narrowed it to this or that
individual --
> >
> >
> >
> > so I am in the wrong -- but I am also mindful that I force Jews
> to ask themselves -- "is he right about me?" "am I allowing
> > myself to be a part of or to go along with what Eastman is
pointing
> out (Neo-con Zionist guilt for 9-11)
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is a letter that will interest you:
> >
> >
> >
> > =================
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello, Al.
> >
> > Do you think 9-11 was an inside job?
> >
> > If so, do you think Zionist's in the White House, Pentagon,
Israel
> > had anything to do with it?
> >
> > Do you think their Zionism was a large part of their motivation?
> >
> > I answer "yes" to all three questions and I have what I think
> > is ample proof of each point.
> >
> > I never claimed to be sane or to know what sanity is -- but I
> > understand evidence and can reach the logical implications
> > that follow from sufficiently complete evidence.
> >
> > Any time you want to discuss the message and what it is
> > based on, rather than the messenger -- I will be happy to
> > walk you through what I have found.
> >
> > Here is a sample:
> >
> > http://bedoper.com/eastman
> >
> > I trust you are still the great investigator you were when we
> corresponded so long ago.
> >
> > Maybe in better -- saner -- times we will compare notes again.
I
> could only gain.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washinton
> >
> > P.S. as for the impotence of internet posting -- I am taken in
> by chaos theory
> > and that one-quintillion-to-one shot that I just may be the
> little butterfly who
> > could. flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap ... --DE
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <aelewis@>
> > To: <foo@>; <anti-capitalism@yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: <Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:48 PM
> > Subject: [A-C] Re: Joni Ferris nails self-important Jew hater
> Dick Eastman
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Yes, Joni, it does seem that Dick has become a rabid Jew-hater
> > over the past several years. It was not always so. I have
observed
> > his posts over many months on anti-capitalism, as well as long
ago
> > (5 years ago) on other lists. It seems that the stress of his
life
> > (which has been considerable), combined with a latent inner
> > scapegoat-ism and perhaps xenophobia (characteristic of
> > right-wingers), has precipitated a psychic degeneration into
> > Paranoid Personality Disorder (see below) with a special
> > Jew-hating spin.
> >
> > (Note that I say "Jew-hating" rather than "anti-semitic". The
> > bigtime anti-semitism in the world today is amongst the
Zionists,
> > the "Christian" Zionists, and other muslim-haters. Jew-hating
is a
> > special, narrow type of anti-semitism which ought to be
> > distinguished from its parent.)
> >
> > It seems that Dick, like G L Rockwell (founder of the American
> > Nazi Party), has yielded to "the ageless impulse of men and
women
> > eaten by the disease of hatred to find a political expression or
> > rationalization for their malady":
> >
> > . http://www.salon.com/books/review/1999/07/19/simonelli/ ---
> > . "[Rockwell] drank too much, battled depression, was left by
> > . several wives, became estranged from his family and spun
> further
> > . and further out of control; you'll wince at the passages in
> which
> > . his goodhearted brother and William F. Buckley, whom Rockwell
> > . hounded, try to get him help. In the succinct summation from
a
> > . 1967 volume that that Simonelli cites, Rockwell gave in
to 'the
> > . ageless impulse of men and women eaten by the disease of
> hatred to
> > . find a political expression or rationalization for their
> malady.'"
> >
> > I've watched this degeneration in several other people. Some of
> > them were quite acute thinkers and great writers, until their
> > deterioration set in. In some cases it is hard to account for
it.
> > Though in Dick's case it is not so hard; he has been quite open
> > about the extreme stresses of his personal life. That, combined
as
> > I say with a latent tendency, has added up to his current
> > relentless stream of semi-demented anti-Jewish ravings and
> > screechings. The anti-capitalism yahoo list has become a
cesspool,
> > unfortunately -- and largely on his account. What we have here
is
> > the anti-capitalism of Goebbels and Himmler, sputtering barely
> > coherently about Jewish bankers' conspiracies. (And yes, Jewish
> > bankers ARE an important aspect of this mess; just that their
> > badness does not inhere in their Jewishness.)
> >
> > There was something in me, years ago (circa 2001), that flashed
a
> > warning sign, and I removed Dick from my email list and
generally
> > cut off communication. Somehow I sensed what was to come. And it
> > came! Oh, brother, did it come.
> >
> > The paranoia was evident in years past. For example, if a
message
> > of his was held up for a few hours, or just did not get through,
> > he would immediately conclude that it was because "they" were
out
> > to get him, and were denying him access to the chat boards or
> > whatever. Of course, it IS possible that "they" (the
> > establishment) might shut down people who are saying things that
> > they do not like. Indeed it has actually happened, and I expect
> > that it will happen increasingly. But for someone with insight,
it
> > is very unlikely that "they" would so selectively target a
single
> > individual -- an individual with NO power, purchase or
credibility
> > in the circles where it counts. In other words, you'd have to
be a
> > tad nuts, or at least seriously lacking in insight, to think
that
> > "they" would go out of their way to shut you down when you are
> > (pardon me) a pipsqueak ranter from Lower Bumfuck, Nebraska,
> > posting on a list with 323 pipsqueak members like you and me.
Yes,
> > "they" exist -- and they don't give a good God Damn about
> > Yahoo-group yahoos like us. Sorry.
> >
> > In charity, I will grant that the capitalist system generally
does
> > tend to make people crazy. The stress, combined with the toxic
> > diet and outright environmental toxins, combined with the sense
of
> > powerlessness (based on the REALITY of powerlessness), combined
> > with some personal bad breaks, can drive people nuts. Not hard
to
> > understand.
> >
> > And, perhaps Dick's personal degeneration was in some measure
> > fueled by the actual (inexcusable) behavior of radical Zionists,
> > Likudniks and the like, who persistently refuse to take
> > responsibility, and who deny their (very real and not just
> > incidental) role in the current mess. Witness the brouhaha just
> > the last week or two over the Mearsheimer/Walt piece. The Israel
> > lobby not only does not want to take any responsibility, it
wants
> > to deny its own existence! THAT can drive people nuts, too.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > PS: Note that Paranoid Personality Disorder (below) is NOT
> > paranoid psychosis, with loss of contact with reality.
Personality
> > disorders are characterized by a somewhat tenuous grasp of
reality
> > (shall we say: "creative" personal representations of it!) --
not
> > with a loss of contact with it. It is more of a personal
> > mind-style than a "disease"; see Hofstader's fine article:
> > The Paranoid Style in American Politics
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anti-capitalism/message/18977
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
> > http://mentalhelp.net/disorders/sx37.htm
> >
> > Paranoid Personality Disorder
> >
> > A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that
their
> > motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early
> > adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by
> > four (or more) of the following:
> >
> > 1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are
exploiting,
> > harming, or deceiving him or her
> >
> > 2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or
> > trustworthiness of friends or associates
> >
> > 3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear
> > that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
> >
> > 4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign
> > remarks or events
> >
> > 5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults,
> > injuries, or slights
> >
> > 6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that
> > are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to
> > counterattack
> >
> > 7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding
> > fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
> >
> > -----------------
> >
> > Criteria summarized from: American Psychiatric Association.
> > (1994). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders,
> > fourth edition. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric
Association.
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > "From the standpoint of any sane person, the present problem of
> > capitalist concentration is not only a question of law, but of
> > criminal law, not to mention criminal lunacy." -- G K Chesterton
> >
> > "You will know you have spoken the truth when you are angrily
> > denounced; and you will know you have spoken both truly and
> > well when you are visited by the police." -- J B R Yant
> >
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