Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911TruthAction] Digest Number 1223

Thursday, April 13, 2006

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1223

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Do Mexicans have Permits For Protests of 50K to 500,000 ...
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
2. Re: Anyone working on activist projects here?
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
3. Cynthia McKinney and 911 truth
From: linelites@mindspring.com
4. Re: Anyone working on activist projects here?
From: "scol202" <yahooboxx@ntlworld.com>
5. Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
6. RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
7. Seeking that ol' 911 Truth
From: James Patton <james_patton@yahoo.com>
8. Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION
From: "mikemeyer1964" <mike.meyer@asm.com>
9. FYI....A detailed list of terrorist groups
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
10. RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: "Leslie Schwartz" <lhs_emf@pacbell.net>
11. new dvd about 911 and federal reserve
From: linelites@mindspring.com
12. Re: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
13. Re: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
14. Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
15. Re: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
16. Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
17. Eastman answers McBride Re: Why we believe Zionists are masterminds of September 11
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
18. Re: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
19. Re: Re: Anyone working on activist projects here?
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
20. Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
21. Re: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
22. RE: Eastman answers McBride Re: Why we believe Zionists are masterminds of September 11
From: "Leslie Schwartz" <lhs_emf@pacbell.net>
23. Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
24. Re: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
25. [Fwd: 911 LIES: Flight 93 Manipulation]
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:38:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Do Mexicans have Permits For Protests of 50K to 500,000 ...

I have no problem with immigration, but 20 million people swarming over the border isn't immigration -- it's an invasion. In the past immigrants have always been allowed into the U.S. in reasonable numbers, so their arrival wouldn't adversly impact the economy. The horde arriving from mexico is described as "immigrants" to frame the discussion in that light, rather than address the impact thay're having on the lives of Americans. They've already brought down our wages, the quality of our pubic school education, and American's accessibility to heath care, in addition to shipping much of the money they make here out of the country. Is there some reason that America should be deprived of its right to maintain its borders like every other country on the planet?

mann david <dmann51@yahoo.com> wrote: Well said.

--- NoRedCoats@aol.com wrote:

> Now, now, there you go talking about immigrants
> being treated better than
> Americans and it's all their fault your are treated
> poorly. These immigrants for
> the most part work hard and have been referred to
> as "the sleeping giant."
> Rather than just sleeping, I think the giant was too
> busy WORKING and now is
> threatened by some up tight, anal retentive people
> who actually suffer from an
> inferiority complex. So, they write legislation
> that would go after the hard
> working and poor immigrants punishing them and
> tearing apart their families,
> friends, wives, etc. Let me ask you the reader,
> how many Europeans ever
> got or applied for some kind of Visa or Passport
> from Native Americans.
>

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:47:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone working on activist projects here?

I've been handing out CD's, and working on my neighbors (like I encourage others to do). It takes time to wake people up -- but working on the people around you will insure you have support when the internet is shut down (or changed)
I think Americans need to re-develop the sense of community that was destroyed when everyone went inside to stare at their televisions. I've been working this angle for a while, and although it's not very visible, it will provide local support and unity if the shit hits the fan, or they start rounding up dissenters. I strongly advise everyone to get off the internet (or not spend so much time here) and instead start talking to your neighbors. We need a lot of small local groups. We spend too much time talking to the same people on the internet, only to be left alone in our physical worlds, surrounded by people who think we're crazy.

Greg Nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com> wrote:
I know Kevin has a new site...What are people up to or planning?
Here in VT we just had the Loose Change II crew and showed the film at
UVM to a large audience. We are also having Tarpley speak on the 27th
of April. The group, Burlington9/11 Action (created in the last 2
months) has already held two succesful events and is going for our
third. We are planning to protest General Dynamics and their ties to
9/11.

Could we all drop the Israel/Zionist bullshit and get back to fighting
Fascism and seeking justice for 9/11? This list is bordering on being
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:23:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: linelites@mindspring.com
Subject: Cynthia McKinney and 911 truth

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:33:06 -0000
From: "scol202" <yahooboxx@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone working on activist projects here?

"I think Americans need to re-develop the sense of community that was
destroyed when everyone went inside to stare at their televisions."

That's sedition. Divide and rule is the ultimate, ultimate game. TV
used to be at least partly communal when people watched the same
things. With Cable, downloaded programs from any time on broadband
plus the internet itself etc. Community is totally dead, even family
is on its way out.

Everyone is going to be an isolated, chipped robo drone who will
either have to obey or starve. You will negotiate your salary with
your meg corp employer who will point out it's unfair to pay you any
more than someone in Zaire.

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Jolly Roger
<slicingthroats@...> wrote:
>
> I've been handing out CD's, and working on my neighbors (like I
encourage others to do). It takes time to wake people up -- but
working on the people around you will insure you have support when
the internet is shut down (or changed)
> I think Americans need to re-develop the sense of community that
was destroyed when everyone went inside to stare at their
televisions. I've been working this angle for a while, and although
it's not very visible, it will provide local support and unity if the
shit hits the fan, or they start rounding up dissenters. I strongly
advise everyone to get off the internet (or not spend so much time
here) and instead start talking to your neighbors. We need a lot of
small local groups. We spend too much time talking to the same people
on the internet, only to be left alone in our physical worlds,
surrounded by people who think we're crazy.
>
> Greg Nixon <nxngrg@...> wrote:
> I know Kevin has a new site...What are people up to or planning?
> Here in VT we just had the Loose Change II crew and showed the film
at
> UVM to a large audience. We are also having Tarpley speak on the
27th
> of April. The group, Burlington9/11 Action (created in the last 2
> months) has already held two succesful events and is going for our
> third. We are planning to protest General Dynamics and their ties
to
> 9/11.
>
> Could we all drop the Israel/Zionist bullshit and get back to
fighting
> Fascism and seeking justice for 9/11? This list is bordering on
being
> all delete material.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION

i have been negligent to welcome all of the new members that have joined over the last month. Welcome to the group! And checkout my website when you get a chance and watch some of my shows! www.fightthenwo.org

Kevin

Pat and Kelly Team Real Estate <kelly@patandkelly.com> wrote:
i thought the collapse of the towers were strange that day, but in the end believed what i was told. then last year, when that high rise in madrid burned for hours, i was glued to cnn, waiting for it to fall. it did not. that did it for me! all my original questions from 9/11/2001 came flooding back.
----- Original Message -----
From: Naveed
To: 911truthaction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:18 AM
Subject: [911TruthAction] TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION

What made you realize there was something drastically wrong with the 9/11 story to which it brought you here?

just curious

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:11:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting

Scott, PLEASE! Note that the distinction between Zionism and Judaism is pointed out. One is NOT the other.

Kevin

Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzithero.com> wrote:

v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Sorry, in the deluge of all the reasons I hear to go to war, I only saw a couple of e-mails from a few certain people claiming that the Jewish Lobby and Israel wanted the US to go to war, they never responded or were able to share where their source of information was from, so all I had was their personal hearsay, that they got it from someone they trusted, as hearsay and that they themselves were as trustworthy as the person who gave them the hearsay, so there was no need for me to question anything they passed along. That is, they couldn’t show me any independent data to show that Israel and the Jewish Lobby screamed for the US to go to war, much less any comments for this, in print. So I have just taken that as Jew Bashing, happens all the time and a great many ludicrous things get dumped on those
of Jewish faith that maybe the Israel government may have wanted or tried to do. Even though I haven’t been the slightest fan of the Israeli government since the attack on the USS Liberty, that hasn’t colored my feelings for individuals of Jewish faith.

When there are hard facts, I gladly accept them, links where I can do my own research, not stuff like the gOlem sends out where all references go back to other stuff he wrote.

So, if you have any hard facts, references I can read myself, that show that the Jewish Lobby and the Israeli government actually pushed for the US to go to war with countries that had no connection with the phantom 911 terrorists (like the 7 Saudi’s… that are still alive, last seen in Saudi Arabia itself) please share them. I make up my own mind. If this was a court of law and I was a juror, I definitely couldn’t give the death penalty on what information I have seen.

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A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.

I don't understand that.

You are basing trace amounts of explosives, lets say C-4 since it is compact and easy to transport. A van load of it wouldn’t have been enough to take down all three of the WTC towers. Maybe one. No way the building could have been rigged over night. Traditional demolition experts figured weeks in a rush job, more likely months.
So, How it was used, was what was found in their van of a composition that could have made steel turn molten and remain in a liquid form for days later?
To turn this ‘suspect’ evidence into some scientific fact, you’d have to know if what they had, could have caused the results we saw and fit in with the data we have gathered.

As far as Faux News, I have no idea if they were one of the three stations I watched most that morning, from about 8 minutes after the first plane hit, I watched live newscasts, but Faux News, they are professional revisionist story tellers, their news is to get their advertisers money, not to tell the truth, in my personal opinion, they are trying to take the national Enquirer’s business away. Their credibility ain’t worth the airwaves they broadcast over.
They are my local station, I know first hand what they report and what they rewrite. They turn peace marches into riots, when no such thing ever happened.
What they showed on the 6 PM news (Pacific time) didn’t even compare with what I saw that morning between 8 AM and noon my time. Might have just reported on something in a book of Fiction and called it truth. All they got right was that a great many people died and that a great many people were in shock.

I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place (One of the Towers) about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.

I don't understand that either

I have been told, by someone that worked in the WTC towers for years, that there was construction going on for several months before 9/11 and no one knew what it was, much of it was after hours.
I use to be a building demolition junkie, I’ve seen hundreds of film clips on this, I seen more than a few in person.
Fire didn’t take down the WTC towers, explosives as in a demolition did.

I have friends that are pilots, they referred me to several buildings that jet liners had hit and then I researched those thoroughly. I researched to see how many steel structure buildings had fallen from airplane hits and the resulting fires. ZERO. I looked to see how many steel structured buildings I could find that had fallen due to fires, maybe there was more ‘interesting footage’ like the three WTC towers. ZERO, no other steel structure building has ever fallen from a fire even one induced by crashing a jet liner into it.

Yet I have seen a great many buildings demolished and what I saw that morning, I was sure was a demolition job. After my research, I couldn’t only imagine how far off I was thinking of how blood thirsty those who pulled this off were.

I and my X wife read everything we could on the WTC towers after our daughter started work there, about 1998, we both were independently aware that in the original articles of impeachment for Clinton one of the articles was that a private plane had made it into NYC airspace, 12.5 minutes or something like that, and that was the only instance of the 10 minute response time having been violated in 12 years, before that it was a 12 minute response time, until 9/11/01 when it was closer to 1 hour and 43 minutes.
Unfortunately, for my curiosity, to maintain her security clearance, my daughter can’t talk about anything other than her emotions that day. If you have ever worked a federal government job, if you’ve ever been a civilian whose company did contracts for the Government, you’ll understand her position and why I never pushed her for any other details.

We know Cheney ordered the Colonel at Norad to stand down. We know that with an inter office memo that Bush transferred the power that congress had given to the president and the President only, to his Vice President, Dick Cheney. We now know that Cheney was in charge of Norad that morning. Of course no one needed to get GW to safety, it was an inside job. That is data, those are things that can be found again and again in internet searches, facts that can be verified, many articles written about them plus Cheney direction Norad is in the 911 Commission report. They fucking aren’t afraid of those that do research, they control all the information superhighway except the internet and who knows if we have days or years left there.
I happened to be one of the few people who saw the live interview of the Colonel, I heard it was under national security just like the half dozen videos of what ever hit the pentagon. Yup, so my word is now hearsay. But the 911 commission report telling about Cheney ordering the Norad controllers to stand down, not once, but three times, that data is there for those who dig.

I haven’t researched the nitty gritty details that so many others have, I have researched what I saw and heard in 4 hours that morning watching 2 different TV’s and all I can find is that it is a darker more sinister picture than I thought that morning.

Se that light at the end of the tunnel over there?
That is the door to the slaughter house.
Follow the sheepeople, follow stuff that you can’t verify as truth yourself and that is where you are headed.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:26 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting

Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11 is
Israel?

Iraq and Iran are/were the two biggest threats to the state of
Israel's existence. The Jewish lobby and the Israeli government
screamed loudest for the war

I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
Carlyle group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I
am looking at the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World
health Organization.

Yes, American criminals benefited too. Americans also helped with
9/11 they deserved some payback, don't you think ?

Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
when you say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA,
and 5 men with a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is
suspect but….

It's white hot suspect, absolutely correct, couldn't be much hotter.
Israeli spies selling paintings were found to have addresses close to
the hijackers, this was reported on Fox news.

A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.

I don't understand that.

I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.

I don't understand that either

Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
interviewed just after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that
his superior ordered him to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes
unless given further orders.

Really, I didn't hear that.

Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
undisclosed place was the control room of Norad, as his control
amounted to continually telling the operators there to let the
aircraft through, to issue to warnings to the apparent targets and
especially to not let any of our armed aircraft into the air that
might interfere.

Yes I understood that.

I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want to
be present at the execution.

Cheney isn't even an israeli citizen, he's actually American. he is a
neocon and a member of the PNAC, both predominantly Jewish in
character.

Scott

Eric

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@...>
wrote:
>
> Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11
is
> Israel?
>
> I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
Carlyle
> group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I am
looking at
> the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World health
Organization.
>
> Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
when you
> say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA, and 5
men with
> a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is suspect but…. A van
full of
> C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as controlled
> demolition.
>
> I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their
work place
> about construction work that had gone on there for the three
previous
> months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully,
> separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
>
> Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
interviewed just
> after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that his superior
ordered him
> to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes unless given further
orders.
>
> Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
undisclosed
> place was the control room of Norad, as his control amounted to
continually
> telling the operators there to let the aircraft through, to issue to
> warnings to the apparent targets and especially to not let any of
our armed
> aircraft into the air that might interfere.
>
> I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want
to be
> present at the execution.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:39 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
>
> It does matter if five Mossad agents were caught red handed
> celebrating the collapse of the towers with traces of explosives in
> their van. They failed several lie detector tests and the boss of
the
> company fled to Israel. The fact that an Israeli company was warned
> before the attacks matters too.
>
> The main beneficiary of the Iraq war was Israel and the only
> beneficiary of the racist war on terror is Israel. It matters.
>
>
>
> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie Schwartz"
> <lhs_emf@> wrote:
> >
> > For anyone who actually cares about the truth to this continuing
> misinformation being promoted here again by Eastman, (Eastman:
> > essentially "my sampling - few Jews killed at the WTC 9/11/01")
> check out the following.
> >
> > Here is a list of the names of those who died in the WTC. As a
Jew,
> I know what names are likely Jewish and which are not. I am not
> > going to go thru all of them one by one and tell you which are
> which. If you have been around a bit you will know on your own.
> >
> > Highlight the names to see the full name, very roughly at least
1/3
> (conservatively) are Jewish.
> >
> > http://www.9-11heroes.us/victims-world-trade-center.php
> >
> > Here is another discussion of this issue, with more links and an
> analysis of the misinformation Eastman continues to spew. The
> > estimate here is between 400 - 500 people of Jewish decent died in
> the WTC towers on 9/11/01. There are a series of articles
> > debunking these lies via this link.
> >
> > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=331277
> >
> > Moreover this issue, the tragedy which 9/11 is and represents does
> not have a dam thing to do with who is Jewish and who is not or
> > how the events occurred or why they occurred again has nothing to
> do with Jews or Jewishness or Israel, or American Jews, or French
> > Jews, or German Jews, etc. As I told you before its about money
and
> power. AGAIN, if you really want to have the background history
> > to understand this event read John Loftus, read Webster Tarpley.
> Educate yourself, don't be lazy, don't indulge in your prejudices.
> > Learn that lesson and it will take you a long way in life. That is
> the most important lesson anyone can take from this discussion.
> >
> > Dick, if you really cared about the truth you would investigate
the
> truth about it and stop the lies. Are you admitting now below to
> > laziness' rather than hatred? If that is your excuse, then ask
> yourself if that is the standard you really want to live by and use
> > as a guide for your efforts in this or any or important study when
> you communicate with others about the important issues they
> > should be aware of. You could not prove your assertion on this
> issue but yet you repeated it again. What conclusion are we to draw
> > from that I wonder?
> >
> > Your statements have been shameful, stupid and most of all wrong.
> You ought to know that Jewish people like myself love this country
> > as much as you do and we fight and die for it and have done so
> throughout its history, and we devote ourselves to this country as
> > much as you obviously think you do.
> >
> > But there is one big difference between all of us (who are
rational
> and concerned) and you, as one of a group of haters who have
> > been writing in this caliber of trash to this message board. We
> don't call people names based on race or religion, we don't make up
> > stupid theories about history based on simpleton ideas and
> misinformation. We have learned the hard way not to keep hate in
our
> > hearts and we have learned just how thoughtless and dangerous it
is
> to go about life that way. We have seen the results and we don't
> > want to see them again, no matter who the victim might be next
> time. We take the time to learn and to understand and to be as
> > accurate and honest with ourselves and others as we can be and if
> we do not know the truth we research it honestly and keep our
> > mouths shut until we do know the truth, rather than go about
> repeatedly making baseless statements which prove our ignorance to
> > others.
> >
> > Dick, take the time when you write and think about these topic to
> make distinctions that are truly meaningful and accurate and
> > constructive. When you do that we will all be grateful for your
> efforts.
> >
> > Leslie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:48 PM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting
> >
> >
> > From: Leslie Schwartz
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Jew Baiting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for
those
> with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was
> > going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have
wanted
> the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long
> > time, but that is not why the event happened.
> >
> >
> >
> > Leslie Schwartz, yes I am Jewish and if don't like it you know
> what you can do about it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lets see Eastman prove just one if his hate based contentions,
as
> you said below, prove to us Eastman that no one of Jewish
> > ethnicity or decent was killed in the 9/11/01 attack. If you can
> prove that point Eastman then shut up and talk about what you can
> > prove.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Leslie,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not in a position to prove that no one of Jewish ethnicity
> or decent was killed in 9/11/01 attack. The sampling of names I
> > have seen (e.g. the long series on WTC deaths biographies that
thre
> New York Times ran) showed very few Jewish names in my
> > ampling -- not the high ratio of Jewish names I would expect for
> New York City and the hub of finance and world trade. I do take
> > the word of several sources on the internet that only two Israelis
> died. But no proof that there were no Jews killed at WTC -- only
> > indications that there were too few than one would expect.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some of the greatest people in the world have been Jewish -- I
> have known great acts of mercy and generosity by Jews -- paying
> > for an operation for my brother, simply because he wanted to. My
> favorite college professor -- my model of a good man -- is Jewish
> > (Dr. Richard Glassman at LFC)
> >
> >
> >
> > I often say "Jews" when the just discrimination would narrow
that
> to Mossad, or Zionists, or Neo-cons, or Likudniks -- or even
> > more justly I should have narrowed it to this or that
individual --
> >
> >
> >
> > so I am in the wrong -- but I am also mindful that I force Jews
> to ask themselves -- "is he right about me?" "am I allowing
> > myself to be a part of or to go along with what Eastman is
pointing
> out (Neo-con Zionist guilt for 9-11)
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is a letter that will interest you:
> >
> >
> >
> > =================
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello, Al.
> >
> > Do you think 9-11 was an inside job?
> >
> > If so, do you think Zionist's in the White House, Pentagon,
Israel
> > had anything to do with it?
> >
> > Do you think their Zionism was a large part of their motivation?
> >
> > I answer "yes" to all three questions and I have what I think
> > is ample proof of each point.
> >
> > I never claimed to be sane or to know what sanity is -- but I
> > understand evidence and can reach the logical implications
> > that follow from sufficiently complete evidence.
> >
> > Any time you want to discuss the message and what it is
> > based on, rather than the messenger -- I will be happy to
> > walk you through what I have found.
> >
> > Here is a sample:
> >
> > http://bedoper.com/eastman
> >
> > I trust you are still the great investigator you were when we
> corresponded so long ago.
> >
> > Maybe in better -- saner -- times we will compare notes again.
I
> could only gain.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washinton
> >
> > P.S. as for the impotence of internet posting -- I am taken in
> by chaos theory
> > and that one-quintillion-to-one shot that I just may be the
> little butterfly who
> > could. flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap ... --DE
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <aelewis@>
> > To: <foo@>; <anti-capitalism@yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: <Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:48 PM
> > Subject: [A-C] Re: Joni Ferris nails self-important Jew hater
> Dick Eastman
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Yes, Joni, it does seem that Dick has become a rabid Jew-hater
> > over the past several years. It was not always so. I have
observed
> > his posts over many months on anti-capitalism, as well as long
ago
> > (5 years ago) on other lists. It seems that the stress of his
life
> > (which has been considerable), combined with a latent inner
> > scapegoat-ism and perhaps xenophobia (characteristic of
> > right-wingers), has precipitated a psychic degeneration into
> > Paranoid Personality Disorder (see below) with a special
> > Jew-hating spin.
> >
> > (Note that I say "Jew-hating" rather than "anti-semitic". The
> > bigtime anti-semitism in the world today is amongst the
Zionists,
> > the "Christian" Zionists, and other muslim-haters. Jew-hating
is a
> > special, narrow type of anti-semitism which ought to be
> > distinguished from its parent.)
> >
> > It seems that Dick, like G L Rockwell (founder of the American
> > Nazi Party), has yielded to "the ageless impulse of men and
women
> > eaten by the disease of hatred to find a political expression or
> > rationalization for their malady":
> >
> > . http://www.salon.com/books/review/1999/07/19/simonelli/ ---
> > . "[Rockwell] drank too much, battled depression, was left by
> > . several wives, became estranged from his family and spun
> further
> > . and further out of control; you'll wince at the passages in
> which
> > . his goodhearted brother and William F. Buckley, whom Rockwell
> > . hounded, try to get him help. In the succinct summation from
a
> > . 1967 volume that that Simonelli cites, Rockwell gave in
to 'the
> > . ageless impulse of men and women eaten by the disease of
> hatred to
> > . find a political expression or rationalization for their
> malady.'"
> >
> > I've watched this degeneration in several other people. Some of
> > them were quite acute thinkers and great writers, until their
> > deterioration set in. In some cases it is hard to account for
it.
> > Though in Dick's case it is not so hard; he has been quite open
> > about the extreme stresses of his personal life. That, combined
as
> > I say with a latent tendency, has added up to his current
> > relentless stream of semi-demented anti-Jewish ravings and
> > screechings. The anti-capitalism yahoo list has become a
cesspool,
> > unfortunately -- and largely on his account. What we have here
is
> > the anti-capitalism of Goebbels and Himmler, sputtering barely
> > coherently about Jewish bankers' conspiracies. (And yes, Jewish
> > bankers ARE an important aspect of this mess; just that their
> > badness does not inhere in their Jewishness.)
> >
> > There was something in me, years ago (circa 2001), that flashed
a
> > warning sign, and I removed Dick from my email list and
generally
> > cut off communication. Somehow I sensed what was to come. And it
> > came! Oh, brother, did it come.
> >
> > The paranoia was evident in years past. For example, if a
message
> > of his was held up for a few hours, or just did not get through,
> > he would immediately conclude that it was because "they" were
out
> > to get him, and were denying him access to the chat boards or
> > whatever. Of course, it IS possible that "they" (the
> > establishment) might shut down people who are saying things that
> > they do not like. Indeed it has actually happened, and I expect
> > that it will happen increasingly. But for someone with insight,
it
> > is very unlikely that "they" would so selectively target a
single
> > individual -- an individual with NO power, purchase or
credibility
> > in the circles where it counts. In other words, you'd have to
be a
> > tad nuts, or at least seriously lacking in insight, to think
that
> > "they" would go out of their way to shut you down when you are
> > (pardon me) a pipsqueak ranter from Lower Bumfuck, Nebraska,
> > posting on a list with 323 pipsqueak members like you and me.
Yes,
> > "they" exist -- and they don't give a good God Damn about
> > Yahoo-group yahoos like us. Sorry.
> >
> > In charity, I will grant that the capitalist system generally
does
> > tend to make people crazy. The stress, combined with the toxic
> > diet and outright environmental toxins, combined with the sense
of
> > powerlessness (based on the REALITY of powerlessness), combined
> > with some personal bad breaks, can drive people nuts. Not hard
to
> > understand.
> >
> > And, perhaps Dick's personal degeneration was in some measure
> > fueled by the actual (inexcusable) behavior of radical Zionists,
> > Likudniks and the like, who persistently refuse to take
> > responsibility, and who deny their (very real and not just
> > incidental) role in the current mess. Witness the brouhaha just
> > the last week or two over the Mearsheimer/Walt piece. The Israel
> > lobby not only does not want to take any responsibility, it
wants
> > to deny its own existence! THAT can drive people nuts, too.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > PS: Note that Paranoid Personality Disorder (below) is NOT
> > paranoid psychosis, with loss of contact with reality.
Personality
> > disorders are characterized by a somewhat tenuous grasp of
reality
> > (shall we say: "creative" personal representations of it!) --
not
> > with a loss of contact with it. It is more of a personal
> > mind-style than a "disease"; see Hofstader's fine article:
> > The Paranoid Style in American Politics
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anti-capitalism/message/18977
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
> > http://mentalhelp.net/disorders/sx37.htm
> >
> > Paranoid Personality Disorder
> >
> > A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that
their
> > motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early
> > adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by
> > four (or more) of the following:
> >
> > 1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are
exploiting,
> > harming, or deceiving him or her
> >
> > 2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or
> > trustworthiness of friends or associates
> >
> > 3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear
> > that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
> >
> > 4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign
> > remarks or events
> >
> > 5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults,
> > injuries, or slights
> >
> > 6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that
> > are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to
> > counterattack
> >
> > 7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding
> > fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
> >
> > -----------------
> >
> > Criteria summarized from: American Psychiatric Association.
> > (1994). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders,
> > fourth edition. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric
Association.
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > "From the standpoint of any sane person, the present problem of
> > capitalist concentration is not only a question of law, but of
> > criminal law, not to mention criminal lunacy." -- G K Chesterton
> >
> > "You will know you have spoken the truth when you are angrily
> > denounced; and you will know you have spoken both truly and
> > well when you are visited by the police." -- J B R Yant
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:30:27 +0100 (BST)
From: James Patton <james_patton@yahoo.com>
Subject: Seeking that ol' 911 Truth

Lookin’ for the 911 Truth
April 2006

Last week Charlie Sheen made national news (CNN Showbiz Tonight 7pm)
three nights in a row, with coverage continuing every day so far this week
as well.
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/03/fourth-night-of-showbiz-tonights-sheen.html

What newsworthy event prompted such coverage? Mr. Sheen has announced
that he thinks the government has been covering up the truth about 9/11.
Charlie thinks 9/11 was an inside job!
http://9eleven.info/

Maybe you don’t care what he thinks, he’s just an actor. Perhaps you want
the opinion of an expert like Steven E Jones, professor of Physics at BYU.
http://www.9eleven.info/911JonesPaperhtm7.htm
http://www.question911.com/linkout.php?filename=Steven%20Jones%20Shows%20WTC%20Demolition%20Evidence.wmv

Or perhaps MIT Engineer Jeff King who also believes the WTC were
brought down by a controlled demolition.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248&pl=true

Maybe they’re too theoretical for you. You want someone from the
applied sciences. May I suggest Clemson mechanical engineering
professor Judy Wood?
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/03/mechanical-engineering-professor-from.html
http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html

Maybe you don’t care for ’eggheads’.
http://www.st911.org/
http://physics911.net/spine.htm

You want to hear from a true patriot, a military man, like former head
of Star Wars and air force colonel, Bob Bowman.
http://benfrank.net/blog/2005/10/27/oil_mafia_treason/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/030306Evidence.htm

Maybe military types scare you. How about a lady of letters like poet
Erica Jong?
http://www.etruscanpress.org/02_september_11_2001.html

Maybe you’re not into poetry. Prose is more your style. How about
Webster Tarpley author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror made in USA?
http://www.tarpley.net/welcome.html

Or if you prefer your message in song, what about putting some
of the hard questions to music?
Les Visible: 9/11 Was An Inside Job (music)
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=97737

Maybe you don’t trust actors, authors, musicians or poets. You want
to hear from a man of God. How about David Ray Griffin theologian,
professor emeritus at the Claremont School of Theology?
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

What could a theologian know about national security? You want to hear from
an insider to the covert world. How about CIA analyst Ray McGovern, an expert
on National Security who’s career spanned JFK to GHW Bush?
http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2006/01/interview_with_ray_mcgovern.html

Or how about David Shayler, the MI5 Whistleblower?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5403286136814574974

Or former cop Michael C. Ruppert?
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/store/books.shtml#ruby

Or Michael Meacher - MP - Former UK Minister for the environment
who says "The war on terror is bogus", or Andreas Von Bulow, Former German
Secretary Of Defense, who says "The official [9/11] story is so inadequate
and far fetched that there must be a different one"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11222.htm

What about another country's government, such as the Venezuelan
government under Hugo Chavez, supported by billionaire philanthropist
Jimmy Walter and WTC survivor William Rodriguez, which is set to
launch an international investigation into 9/11?
http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/83785

Maybe they're all too far left for you! You want to hear from a Republican.
How about Paul Craig Roberts assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury
under Ronald Reagan?
http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/28070
http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2006/02/post.html

OK, he’s a Republican, but that was back in the Reagan days. Maybe you
need to hear from someone in GW’s administration. How about
Morgan Reynolds professor emeritus at Texas A&M University
and chief economist for the US Department of Labor during Bush’s first term?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html

Maybe none of the above does it for you. You want to hear from
"eye-witnesses" - people who were there on the scene on that
fateful day. May I suggest you listen to the firefighters who were
in the building at the time?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248&pl=true

Or perhaps to news reporters who were on the scene who repeatedly
described hearing "explosions"?
http://tinyurl.com/bzg64 (you need to fast forward a little...)
http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

Or how about WTC survivor William Rodriguez, a janitor who worked
at the WTC for about 19 years, who testifies that he heard and felt
explosions in the basement of the North Tower BEFORE the planes
hit overhead. William asks: "How could a jetliner hit 90 floors above
and burn a man's arms and face to a crisp in the basement below
within seconds of impact?" It's a good question!
http://williamrodriguezwtc.blogspot.com/

Well, if you don't believe any of them, why not listen to
the OWNER of the WTC, Larry Silverstein, who admits on Public Broadcast
Television that explosives were used to demolish WTC building #7?!

Yes, Silverstein, who had conveniently insured these buildings for billions
of dollars just weeks before 911, said on public television
"(The Fire Department) were not sure that they were gonna be able to
contain the fire. I said, you know, we´ve had such terrible loss of life.
Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. They made that decision to pull
and then we watched the building collapse"

In the demolition industry, “pull” is the common term they use for
demolishing buildings with carefully positioned explosives, an operation
that can take seasoned professionals weeks to plan.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/wtc_7_archivel.htm
http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

So even the building owner admits that explosives were used to demolish
at least one of the WTC buildings!

Maybe you don’t want to listen to any of these individuals, but the fact is,
a lot of Americans agree with them. Like the 83% of over 50,000 CNN Showbiz
Tonight online poll respondents who think the government is covering up
the truth of 9/11.
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/03/fourth-night-of-showbiz-tonights-sheen.html

Maybe you don’t care what the American people think?

Yea, we know.

[Ref. http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=11205 ]

WHAT POSSIBLE MOTIVES COULD THERE BE FOR A 9/11 INSIDE JOB??

These are some of the plutocracy's 'foreign policy' goals that 9/11
(the "new Pearl Harbor") has helped them to pursue:

* to get the American people's support for an endless bogus "war on terror"
which will ensure continued gargantuan military budgets. This will continue
to enrich and empower the plutocracy and the military/industrial complex.

* the WTC buildings needed massive repairs - but instead the owner will
get paid out billions in insurance, allowing the Silverstein group to not
only rebuild, but make a hefty profit also

* to help James Baker negotiate massive repatriations from Iraq to Kuwait,
making the Bush family/Carlysle Group billions of dollars in the process.

* it has been suggested there was a massive amount of gold bullion in the
basement beneath the WTC that was looted on 9/11.

* the removal of Saddam Hussein

* the removal of the Taliban

* to help further the goals of Israel

* the establishment of permanent military bases in the oil rich Middle East

* to keep the price of oil artificially high, so as to ensure continued
massive profits for the OPEC countries/oil companies.

* the spread of "globalisation" and "corporatism" (i.e. big business and money)
e.g. massive contracts for Halliburton and other crony firms with ties
to Washington

* with the world nearing "Peak Oil", and America being so "addicted"
(as Bush put it) to foreign oil, they need to control (or at least have friendly
relations with the rulers) where they get some of their supply
(e.g. Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Canada etc.)

* arguably to reassert their control of the opium trade (if this sounds crazy,
then remember, Britain had opium wars with China in the 19th Century
to keep control of this lucrative trade, so this is nothing new). btw,
Afghanistan is one of the world's leading producers of opium.

* to establish a precedent for the role of "pre-emptive" war in their efforts
to shape the world according to their belief systems (this will make their
next "pre-emptive" war easier to push through).

* to shake the "Vietnam Syndrome" and get the American people
accustomed to the deaths of thousands of their sons (about 2,300 so far
plus tens of thousands more maimed or injured) in order to serve
the goals of the plutocracy

* the spread of "democracy" (TM) and "freedom" (TM) across the Middle East

( For example, I believe Hitler was sincere in his desire to establish
a "glorious thousand year Reich". Likewise, the ideologues in Washington
also have certain belief systems about how the world should be, and are
more than willing to use violence and military force to achieve their aims.

This isn't conspiracy theory, btw. Just look at the "shock & awe" campaign
carried out against Baghdad, or you can read their own words here:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
Read through their visions for the world, and see how many you agree with.)

* to pass legislation that removes the rights of dissenters who object to
these goals
(e.g. the PATRIOT Act, 'anti-terrorism' laws, govt. domestic surveillance etc.)

So there are plenty of motives for a 9/11 inside job!

SO WHAT CAN YOU DO?

Even if you are still skeptical, but think there are too many questions
about the events of September 11 2001 that need answers, here are
a few suggestions:

Ask Oprah to host a three-part special that investigates 9/11
http://www.oprah911.com/

Sign the petition to release the 9/11 information that is currently
being held by the U.S. government to an independent review:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/929981172

Get informed and share these links to several 9/11 investigative documentaries
with your friends:

911: In Plane Site
Hard-hitting investigative journalism.
http://unsungwar.com/videos/911InPlaneSite.wmv

Loose Change Second Edition
Well researched and very thought provoking.
http://unsungwar.com/videos/loosechange2.html
http://tinyurl.com/bzg64

Rise
Short and sweet - to the point!
http://unsungwar.com/videos/Rise.swf

9/11 Revisited
This film provides stunning evidence that pre-planted explosives
were used in the complete demolition of the WTC twin towers and WTC 7.
http://911revisited.infad.net/video.html

9/11 Eyewitness
A rigorous scientific analysis of the destruction of the WTC towers.
http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/911Eyewitness.php

Perspective 9-11
This research will give you an insight into the story
behind the 9-11 attacks.
http://tinyurl.com/layem

Pentagon Strike
What hit the Pentagon?
http://unsungwar.com/videos/pentagonstrike.swf

Discover the Truth about the Events surrounding 9-11-01 via
Video Presentations from some of the top Scholars, Researchers,
and Analysts from the International Community.
http://911busters.com/

9/11 Special: Dutch Television Documentary (20 minutes)
Two senior government ministers express grave doubts about
the official 9/11 stories and the so-called "war on terror".
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11222.htm

Watch David Ray Griffin, professor of theology, and other speakers
who speak candidly and lucidly about the events of 911.
http://911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/index.html

. . .

And finally, if you still think it's all bunkum and you can debunk the 9/11
"tin-foil hat" conspiracy brigade, then take the million dollar challenge!
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:02:40 -0000
From: "mikemeyer1964" <mike.meyer@asm.com>
Subject: Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION

The Pentagon, you can see my write up which has been posted here
before
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlesMeyer3March2006.html

It took me a while to accept that controlled demolition brought down
the towers, but, once you see WTC 7 come down, it all starts to fit.

Mike Meyer

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Hammond
<sir_oglaigh@...> wrote:
>
> i have been negligent to welcome all of the new members that have
joined over the last month. Welcome to the group! And checkout my
website when you get a chance and watch some of my shows!
www.fightthenwo.org
>
> Kevin
>
> Pat and Kelly Team Real Estate <kelly@...> wrote:
> i thought the collapse of the towers were strange that
day, but in the end believed what i was told. then last year, when
that high rise in madrid burned for hours, i was glued to cnn,
waiting for it to fall. it did not. that did it for me! all my
original questions from 9/11/2001 came flooding back.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Naveed
> To: 911truthaction@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:18 AM
> Subject: [911TruthAction] TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION
>
>
> What made you realize there was something drastically wrong with
the 9/11 story to which it brought you here?
>
>
> just curious
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:53:13 -0700
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
Subject: FYI....A detailed list of terrorist groups

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:17:58 -0500
From: "Leslie Schwartz" <lhs_emf@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting

I have seen a number of messages on this message board NOT making that
distinction, and in fact lumping together, Jews, Zionists, Neocons, mossad,
Judaism, Israelis, Ashkenazi Jews, the Rothschild’s, the illuminati, the
Rockefellers, the Warburg’s, PNAC, the CFR, the etc. and etc., and
mentioning specific high profile people who may fall within one or more of
those categories. I also recall some hater using the term “crypto-Jews” on
this message board as if any self respecting individual is going to hide the
fact they are Jewish becomes THAT writer hates Jews. This is delusional and
it is offensive.

When necessary and accurate distinctions are not made and a message goes out
which obviously has some emotion, even anger over the events associated with
9/11/01 (emotion which is otherwise understandable) it is an ugly thing to
read, its racist, its UN-AMERICAN and I personally do not think it helps
anyone to understand these events or how we can constructively respond to
the overall situation.

If you want to be taken seriously and treated with respect for your research
and comments, you should know that is not going to be the response when you
basically write everything bad that happens in this world is one kind of
flavor of the month “Jewish conspiracy” by one name or another.

If you make the sufficient and accurate distinctions and make a sincere
effort to report only what you have verified to be factual you will not hear
any complaints about it. If you don’t have proof and only have a theory then
say that, and when your making broad accusations about the actions, motives
and future plans of groups or categories of people chances are your going to
have to account for that uncertainty in your statement, otherwise its an
accusation without sufficient proof and it will again cause people to
distrust your motives and good-will.

Leslie

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From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Hammond
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:12 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting

Scott, PLEASE! Note that the distinction between Zionism and Judaism is
pointed out. One is NOT the other.

Kevin

Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzithero.com> wrote:

Sorry, in the deluge of all the reasons I hear to go to war, I only
saw a couple of e-mails from a few certain people claiming that the Jewish
Lobby and Israel wanted the US to go to war, they never responded or were
able to share where their source of information was from, so all I had was
their personal hearsay, that they got it from someone they trusted, as
hearsay and that they themselves were as trustworthy as the person who gave
them the hearsay, so there was no need for me to question anything they
passed along. That is, they couldn’t show me any independent data to show
that Israel and the Jewish Lobby screamed for the US to go to war, much less
any comments for this, in print. So I have just taken that as Jew Bashing,
happens all the time and a great many ludicrous things get dumped on those
of Jewish faith that maybe the Israel government may have wanted or tried to
do. Even though I haven’t been the slightest fan of the Israeli government
since the attack on the USS Liberty, that hasn’t colored my feelings for
individuals of Jewish faith.

When there are hard facts, I gladly accept them, links where I can do my own
research, not stuff like the gOlem sends out where all references go back to
other stuff he wrote.

So, if you have any hard facts, references I can read myself, that show that
the Jewish Lobby and the Israeli government actually pushed for the US to go
to war with countries that had no connection with the phantom 911 terrorists
(like the 7 Saudi’s… that are still alive, last seen in Saudi Arabia itself)
please share them. I make up my own mind. If this was a court of law and I
was a juror, I definitely couldn’t give the death penalty on what
information I have seen.

A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.

I don't understand that.

You are basing trace amounts of explosives, lets say C-4 since it is compact
and easy to transport. A van load of it wouldn’t have been enough to take
down all three of the WTC towers. Maybe one. No way the building could have
been rigged over night. Traditional demolition experts figured weeks in a
rush job, more likely months.

So, How it was used, was what was found in their van of a composition that
could have made steel turn molten and remain in a liquid form for days
later?

To turn this ‘suspect’ evidence into some scientific fact, you’d have to
know if what they had, could have caused the results we saw and fit in with
the data we have gathered.

As far as Faux News, I have no idea if they were one of the three stations I
watched most that morning, from about 8 minutes after the first plane hit, I
watched live newscasts, but Faux News, they are professional revisionist
story tellers, their news is to get their advertisers money, not to tell the
truth, in my personal opinion, they are trying to take the national
Enquirer’s business away. Their credibility ain’t worth the airwaves they
broadcast over.

They are my local station, I know first hand what they report and what they
rewrite. They turn peace marches into riots, when no such thing ever
happened.

What they showed on the 6 PM news (Pacific time) didn’t even compare with
what I saw that morning between 8 AM and noon my time. Might have just
reported on something in a book of Fiction and called it truth. All they got
right was that a great many people died and that a great many people were in
shock.

I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
place (One of the Towers) about construction work that had gone on there for
the three
previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.

I don't understand that either

I have been told, by someone that worked in the WTC towers for years, that
there was construction going on for several months before 9/11 and no one
knew what it was, much of it was after hours.

I use to be a building demolition junkie, I’ve seen hundreds of film clips
on this, I seen more than a few in person.

Fire didn’t take down the WTC towers, explosives as in a demolition did.

I have friends that are pilots, they referred me to several buildings that
jet liners had hit and then I researched those thoroughly. I researched to
see how many steel structure buildings had fallen from airplane hits and the
resulting fires. ZERO. I looked to see how many steel structured buildings I
could find that had fallen due to fires, maybe there was more ‘interesting
footage’ like the three WTC towers. ZERO, no other steel structure building
has ever fallen from a fire even one induced by crashing a jet liner into
it.

Yet I have seen a great many buildings demolished and what I saw that
morning, I was sure was a demolition job. After my research, I couldn’t only
imagine how far off I was thinking of how blood thirsty those who pulled
this off were.

I and my X wife read everything we could on the WTC towers after our
daughter started work there, about 1998, we both were independently aware
that in the original articles of impeachment for Clinton one of the articles
was that a private plane had made it into NYC airspace, 12.5 minutes or
something like that, and that was the only instance of the 10 minute
response time having been violated in 12 years, before that it was a 12
minute response time, until 9/11/01 when it was closer to 1 hour and 43
minutes.

Unfortunately, for my curiosity, to maintain her security clearance, my
daughter can’t talk about anything other than her emotions that day. If you
have ever worked a federal government job, if you’ve ever been a civilian
whose company did contracts for the Government, you’ll understand her
position and why I never pushed her for any other details.

We know Cheney ordered the Colonel at Norad to stand down. We know that with
an inter office memo that Bush transferred the power that congress had given
to the president and the President only, to his Vice President, Dick Cheney.
We now know that Cheney was in charge of Norad that morning. Of course no
one needed to get GW to safety, it was an inside job. That is data, those
are things that can be found again and again in internet searches, facts
that can be verified, many articles written about them plus Cheney direction
Norad is in the 911 Commission report. They fucking aren’t afraid of those
that do research, they control all the information superhighway except the
internet and who knows if we have days or years left there.

I happened to be one of the few people who saw the live interview of the
Colonel, I heard it was under national security just like the half dozen
videos of what ever hit the pentagon. Yup, so my word is now hearsay. But
the 911 commission report telling about Cheney ordering the Norad
controllers to stand down, not once, but three times, that data is there for
those who dig.

I haven’t researched the nitty gritty details that so many others have, I
have researched what I saw and heard in 4 hours that morning watching 2
different TV’s and all I can find is that it is a darker more sinister
picture than I thought that morning.

Se that light at the end of the tunnel over there?

That is the door to the slaughter house.

Follow the sheepeople, follow stuff that you can’t verify as truth yourself
and that is where you are headed.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:26 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting

Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11 is
Israel?

Iraq and Iran are/were the two biggest threats to the state of
Israel's existence. The Jewish lobby and the Israeli government
screamed loudest for the war

Yes, American criminals benefited too. Americans also helped with
9/11 they deserved some payback, don't you think ?

It's white hot suspect, absolutely correct, couldn't be much hotter.
Israeli spies selling paintings were found to have addresses close to
the hijackers, this was reported on Fox news.

A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
controlled demolition.

I don't understand that.

I don't understand that either

Really, I didn't hear that.

Yes I understood that.

I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want to
be present at the execution.

Cheney isn't even an israeli citizen, he's actually American. he is a
neocon and a member of the PNAC, both predominantly Jewish in
character.

Scott

Eric

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:29:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: linelites@mindspring.com
Subject: new dvd about 911 and federal reserve

I have made up a new dvd with Loose Change and with a 17 minute short introduction to 911 truth and the involvment of the Federal Reserve. It also has a clip of Steven Jones' lecture....It is a great dvd to give to people, it is very nonconfrontational and nonchallenging. I highly recommend it as a pass around.

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:58:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!

http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2617

Yep, I am digging 24/7 for the next phase. I think bio-terror/weaponised bird flu
is a possibility.

Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote:
Naveed -- I think Nico's group (team8+.org, I think) has a special section devoted to upcominhg terror drills.

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote: Does anybody have any knowledge of upcoming drills for "terrorist" activity?

Considering the KOOKOOS in district of criminals (Washington DC) are having media whores trumpet using mini nukes on Iran, this is the most dangerous timing for another larger false flag.

Not endorsing the ACLU but

Eternal Vigilance is the the price of freedom........have you paid?

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:08:38 -0700
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting

I agree,Scott. We must go after individuals.

The prime suspects are the individuals around Paul Wolfowitz at the Pentagon, because of their connections which would be essential for pulling off such an inside-job operation. If we find many
complicit persons with ties to Israel we will follow them.

Where things are we are lining up suspects -- and we must look for facts about the suspects that are relevant to the crime we suspect them of. (We do not suspect the Pentagon Neo-con Zionists because they are Jewish, or Zionist, or Neo-con -- but we suspect them because of their position and given the circumstances of the proven 9-11 false-flag operation -- especially the attack on the Pentagon.

There is a lot about the doings of Ariel Sharon and the situation Sharon was in prior to the 9-11 attacks that makes me suspicious of him -- information over the years -- as being involved -- and I cannot see the Perle-Wolfowitz-Kissinger group plotting 9-11 without clearing it with Israel first. Obviously you can -- but that is not necessarily to your credit. I've been watching Israel for many years (I am 57) and I see known and very familiar patters in the 9-11 false-flag caper.

So tell me, Scott -- leaving out the Zionists, who are YOUR prime suspects?

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Peden
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:24 PM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting

I have yet to see concrete evidence that these world bankers are Zionist and just not another corporate faction in their bid for control of all of the governments of the world.

That means (Bankers) financing anyone one that can produce constant warfare.

I still haven't seen anything that convinces me that a Neo Con is a Zionist, much less that there are Zionists that aren't Jewish. Too simple and too small of a sampling for what I have seen.

I find I have to really stretch my reality to get that small of a section (Zionists) make up who wanted 9/11 to happen, who pulled it off and who profits for it. Seems a great many groups, corporations, banks make loads of money and that these same Corporation/Warfare/Bankers groups all are after controlling government to do their personal bidding. I just can't figure out how they link into everything else and there is so much more at work that what I have found to be true or what has been posted on this group.

I hate to put it this way, but 9/11 is a symptom, not the cause of the illness the planet is suffering from. Treating symptoms make certain people rich, where as dealing with the health of the organism alleviates the symptoms, of an ill organism. In this case, all of the scenarios that brought about 9/11, not just trying to make just one theory fit. I know where Cheney stands in this. I know that this is the agenda for PNAC. I also know that the last 4-5 presidents worked very hard for the World Trade and World Health Organizations, whose purpose it is to control the worlds governments though economic means, I know that many of the goals, of most of the organizations that I and other people have listed here, are also goals of the mysterious Tri lateral organization. I know almost nothing about the illuminati that makes sense to me, maybe I'm reading the wrong stuff but it appears pretty much redundant after a while when the names just keep jumping around from one organization to another finding so many inter connected bad guys, who the Fuck really is behind all of this?

I have no idea how many people belong to more than one of any of those organizations, but I get the feeling they have their own inner competition going as to who will have the firmest grip on planetary control. 9/11 happed to work for a lot of people, even places I hadn't thought of before.

In regards to these comments of yours, I and others in a group now defunct, have reached pretty much the same conclusions years ago through means where I hadn't heard of anyone I can recall of, in this group . That is, independent confirmations rather than swayed by the researchers here. I didn't attach that which I didn't feel 95+% behind.

"The Pentagon with Rumsfeld in it was attacked for two reasons --
to cover the Pentagon neo-cons from suspicion ("they would never attack
themselves") and to murder the personnel of the Office of Naval Intelligence
that had been moved into the targeted "new wedge" area.

"Mossad operates as does the CIA -- for the special interests
(profits-power- Zionism), not for the
"national interests" of Israel or the United States. The apparatus of the
state has been sequestered from national interest to serve/profit the
special interests of the power-elite groups (represented by agents Perle,
Kissinger etc.)"

In regards to this statement;

"Certainly the interceptions were not made. There must
be some reason why pursuit planes never took off."

I saw the Colonel interviewed, live, he said he called his superior as protocol stated and he was ordered to ground what he had in the air, not refuel or arm that plane, to not fuel or arm the one on the ground that was it's replacement and do nothing until ordered. Then a cameraman asked what he knew about the plane that hit the second tower and he snapped "nothing, I've been in here giving interviews with the press instead of watching the radar screen".

After the 9/11 transcripts were released is when I saw the transcripts of Cheney in the Norad Control room. That was the first time I was able to find out who the Colonel was taking orders from, if it wasn't the president as has been the case since Regan.

Was it you or Eric that stated that PNAC and the Neo Con ranks are predominantly Jewish? I'm more of an expert on the surnames of the British Isles and not to bad on Germanic based names too, there are loads of those on the Neo Cons and PNAC's rosters. Which names are Jewish?

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:09 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting

----- Original Message -----
From: "scol202" <yahooboxx@ntlworld.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting

>> Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11 is
> Israel?
>
> Iraq and Iran are/were the two biggest threats to the state of
> Israel's existence. The Jewish lobby and the Israeli government
> screamed loudest for the war
>
Because of Sharon's hard stand Israel was losing world support
prior to 9-11. The (false-flag) attacks boosted Israel like the
Oaklahoma City bombing boosted Clinton a year after Waco.

Just a week before 911 I received a letter from Wendell Solomons
in Sri Lanka who was passing on information that "Israel is on
some kind of countdown" for an important happening.

Zionism gained from 9-11 just as it gains from the holocaust story.

>> I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
> Carlyle group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I
> am looking at the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World
> health Organization.

Look at the people who finance the war and who own the corporations.
Investment banks lending at compound interest have gained much more from the
war than defense-industry corporations. These bankers are Zionists -- we
cannot say which motive is uppermost in their minds/hearts, Zionism or
profit.

The attacks in New York have been proven to have been more than boxcutter
hijackers -- see, for example, my evidence on the Pentagon attack
http://bedoper.com/eastman for a sample of the case that exists against the
Pentagon leadership -- who are Neo-cons, who are Zionists, who are Jewish,
who are motivated by what is good for Israel. -- They would not have
processed the mass-murder frame-up without taking its effect on Israel into
account. The Pentagon with Rumsfeld in it was attacked for two reasons --
to cover the Pentagon neo-cons from suspicion ("they would never attack
themselves") and to murder the personnel of the Office of Naval Intelligence
that had been moved into the targeted "new wedge" area.

Richard Perle headed a group that included Wolfowitz, Kissinger, Feith at
the Pentagon -- this is where 9/11 was planned -- Perle represents the
(Zionist) Rothschilds, Kissinger represents the Rockefellers and the
hinese -- the plan was made so every principal would get a payoff.
>
> Yes, American criminals benefited too. Americans also helped with
> 9/11 they deserved some payback, don't you think ?
>
Yes, many groups benefited from 9-11 -- but one overarching group was
necessary -- the Zionist network Mossad-Pentagon-MI6-CIA-NSA -- a
network where the official organization charts are misleading.
>
>> Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
> when you say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA,
> and 5 men with a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is
> suspect but..

Mossad operates as does the CIA -- for the special interests
(profits-power- Zionism), not for the
"national interests" of Israel or the United States. The apparatus of the
state has been sequestered from national interest to serve/profit the
special interests of the power-elite groups (represented by agents Perle,
Kissinger etc.)
>
> It's white hot suspect, absolutely correct, couldn't be much hotter.
> Israeli spies selling paintings were found to have addresses close to
> the hijackers, this was reported on Fox news.

Israel was America's eyes and ears in central asia and in the mid-east --
the U.S. relied in Israeli information about everything -- the 9-11
false-flag
operation depended on control of all information.
>
>
>
>> A van full of C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as
> controlled demolition.
>
> I don't understand that.

I also don't know what you are talking about. The van of the
"laughing Israeli's" did not pass the sniff test of the explosives
dogs (it showed positive for explosives materials) -- but no
one is suggesting that that one truck carried all the explosives
used in the controlled demolitions of the twin towers.
>
>
>> I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their work
> place about construction work that had gone on there for the three
> previous months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
> hopefully, separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
>
> I don't understand that either

Yes, I too remember detailed stories about work that was done
on the buildings just prior to the attacks -- work with the security
cameras shut down for certain periods as I remember -
>
>
>
>> Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
> interviewed just after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that
> his superior ordered him to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes
> unless given further orders.
>
>
> Really, I didn't hear that.

Certainly the interceptions were not made. There must
be some reason why pursuit planes never took off.
>
>
>
>> Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
> undisclosed place was the control room of Norad, as his control
> amounted to continually telling the operators there to let the
> aircraft through, to issue to warnings to the apparent targets and
> especially to not let any of our armed aircraft into the air that
> might interfere.
>
> Yes I understood that.

Yes, I've read this too -- and it all fits -- but I base everything not
on these reports (whose authenticity I cannot verify) but on the photo
evidence in the Pentagon attack. Once it was established that the
Pentagon was not attacked in the way that the government and media
reported -- then we had proven a black-op involving the Pentagton --
the Zionist Neo-con leadership, Kissinger, Perle, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld,
Feith and others.
>
>
>
>> I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want to
> be present at the execution.

I have no such evidence. It seems that Cheney and Mossad were cooperating
on the same operation -- like the CIA and Mossad so often cooperate -- at
a black-op level and totally illegally (if only the law would know about
it).
>
> Cheney isn't even an israeli citizen, he's actually American. he is a
> neocon and a member of the PNAC, both predominantly Jewish in
> character.
>
Agree.

>> Scott
>
> Eric
>
Dick
>
>
> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Can you share your data to prove that the main beneficiary of 9/11
> is
> > Israel?
> >
> > I'm looking at Halliburton, root and Brown, I'm looking at The
> Carlyle
> > group, I am looking at the US Military Industrial Complex, I am
> looking at
> > the World Trade organization, I am looking at the World health
> Organization.
> >
> > Now, some citizens of Israel might be in one of these groups, but
> when you
> > say Mossad, you are telling me that Israel attacked the USA, and 5
> men with
> > a vans that had trace amounts of explosives is suspect but.. A van
> full of
> > C-4 placed in THREE WYTC towers, to bring them down as controlled
> > demolition.
> >
> > I have heard from someone that survived the destruction of their
> work place
> > about construction work that had gone on there for the three
> previous
> > months, but please, share your data, and give your theories,
> hopefully,
> > separating the proven hard facts from speculation.
> >
> > Oh yes, I saw the Colonel in charge of Norad for that are,
> interviewed just
> > after the first tower was hit, I heard him say that his superior
> ordered him
> > to ground, not fuel or arm any of his planes unless given further
> orders.
> >
> > Also, several years later the data came out that Cheney's secure
> undisclosed
> > place was the control room of Norad, as his control amounted to
> continually
> > telling the operators there to let the aircraft through, to issue to
> > warnings to the apparent targets and especially to not let any of
> our armed
> > aircraft into the air that might interfere.
> >
> > I am dying to see your data showing that Cheney is Mossad, I want
> to be
> > present at the execution.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of scol202
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:39 PM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
> >
> > It does matter if five Mossad agents were caught red handed
> > celebrating the collapse of the towers with traces of explosives in
> > their van. They failed several lie detector tests and the boss of
> the
> > company fled to Israel. The fact that an Israeli company was warned
> > before the attacks matters too.
> >
> > The main beneficiary of the Iraq war was Israel and the only
> > beneficiary of the racist war on terror is Israel. It matters.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie Schwartz"
> > <lhs_emf@> wrote:
> > >
> > > For anyone who actually cares about the truth to this continuing
> > misinformation being promoted here again by Eastman, (Eastman:
> > > essentially "my sampling - few Jews killed at the WTC 9/11/01")
> > check out the following.
> > >
> > > Here is a list of the names of those who died in the WTC. As a
> Jew,
> > I know what names are likely Jewish and which are not. I am not
> > > going to go thru all of them one by one and tell you which are
> > which. If you have been around a bit you will know on your own.
> > >
> > > Highlight the names to see the full name, very roughly at least
> 1/3
> > (conservatively) are Jewish.
> > >
> > > http://www.9-11heroes.us/victims-world-trade-center.php
> > >
> > > Here is another discussion of this issue, with more links and an
> > analysis of the misinformation Eastman continues to spew. The
> > > estimate here is between 400 - 500 people of Jewish decent died in
> > the WTC towers on 9/11/01. There are a series of articles
> > > debunking these lies via this link.
> > >
> > > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=331277
> > >
> > > Moreover this issue, the tragedy which 9/11 is and represents does
> > not have a dam thing to do with who is Jewish and who is not or
> > > how the events occurred or why they occurred again has nothing to
> > do with Jews or Jewishness or Israel, or American Jews, or French
> > > Jews, or German Jews, etc. As I told you before its about money
> and
> > power. AGAIN, if you really want to have the background history
> > > to understand this event read John Loftus, read Webster Tarpley.
> > Educate yourself, don't be lazy, don't indulge in your prejudices.
> > > Learn that lesson and it will take you a long way in life. That is
> > the most important lesson anyone can take from this discussion.
> > >
> > > Dick, if you really cared about the truth you would investigate
> the
> > truth about it and stop the lies. Are you admitting now below to
> > > laziness' rather than hatred? If that is your excuse, then ask
> > yourself if that is the standard you really want to live by and use
> > > as a guide for your efforts in this or any or important study when
> > you communicate with others about the important issues they
> > > should be aware of. You could not prove your assertion on this
> > issue but yet you repeated it again. What conclusion are we to draw
> > > from that I wonder?
> > >
> > > Your statements have been shameful, stupid and most of all wrong.
> > You ought to know that Jewish people like myself love this country
> > > as much as you do and we fight and die for it and have done so
> > throughout its history, and we devote ourselves to this country as
> > > much as you obviously think you do.
> > >
> > > But there is one big difference between all of us (who are
> rational
> > and concerned) and you, as one of a group of haters who have
> > > been writing in this caliber of trash to this message board. We
> > don't call people names based on race or religion, we don't make up
> > > stupid theories about history based on simpleton ideas and
> > misinformation. We have learned the hard way not to keep hate in
> our
> > > hearts and we have learned just how thoughtless and dangerous it
> is
> > to go about life that way. We have seen the results and we don't
> > > want to see them again, no matter who the victim might be next
> > time. We take the time to learn and to understand and to be as
> > > accurate and honest with ourselves and others as we can be and if
> > we do not know the truth we research it honestly and keep our
> > > mouths shut until we do know the truth, rather than go about
> > repeatedly making baseless statements which prove our ignorance to
> > > others.
> > >
> > > Dick, take the time when you write and think about these topic to
> > make distinctions that are truly meaningful and accurate and
> > > constructive. When you do that we will all be grateful for your
> > efforts.
> > >
> > > Leslie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:48 PM
> > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Leslie Schwartz
> > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:55 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Jew Baiting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for
> those
> > with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was
> > > going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have
> wanted
> > the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long
> > > time, but that is not why the event happened.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Leslie Schwartz, yes I am Jewish and if don't like it you know
> > what you can do about it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lets see Eastman prove just one if his hate based contentions,
> as
> > you said below, prove to us Eastman that no one of Jewish
> > > ethnicity or decent was killed in the 9/11/01 attack. If you can
> > prove that point Eastman then shut up and talk about what you can
> > > prove.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Leslie,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not in a position to prove that no one of Jewish ethnicity
> > or decent was killed in 9/11/01 attack. The sampling of names I
> > > have seen (e.g. the long series on WTC deaths biographies that
> thre
> > New York Times ran) showed very few Jewish names in my
> > > ampling -- not the high ratio of Jewish names I would expect for
> > New York City and the hub of finance and world trade. I do take
> > > the word of several sources on the internet that only two Israelis
> > died. But no proof that there were no Jews killed at WTC -- only
> > > indications that there were too few than one would expect.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Some of the greatest people in the world have been Jewish -- I
> > have known great acts of mercy and generosity by Jews -- paying
> > > for an operation for my brother, simply because he wanted to. My
> > favorite college professor -- my model of a good man -- is Jewish
> > > (Dr. Richard Glassman at LFC)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I often say "Jews" when the just discrimination would narrow
> that
> > to Mossad, or Zionists, or Neo-cons, or Likudniks -- or even
> > > more justly I should have narrowed it to this or that
> individual --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > so I am in the wrong -- but I am also mindful that I force Jews
> > to ask themselves -- "is he right about me?" "am I allowing
> > > myself to be a part of or to go along with what Eastman is
> pointing
> > out (Neo-con Zionist guilt for 9-11)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is a letter that will interest you:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, Al.
> > >
> > > Do you think 9-11 was an inside job?
> > >
> > > If so, do you think Zionist's in the White House, Pentagon,
> Israel
> > > had anything to do with it?
> > >
> > > Do you think their Zionism was a large part of their motivation?
> > >
> > > I answer "yes" to all three questions and I have what I think
> > > is ample proof of each point.
> > >
> > > I never claimed to be sane or to know what sanity is -- but I
> > > understand evidence and can reach the logical implications
> > > that follow from sufficiently complete evidence.
> > >
> > > Any time you want to discuss the message and what it is
> > > based on, rather than the messenger -- I will be happy to
> > > walk you through what I have found.
> > >
> > > Here is a sample:
> > >
> > > http://bedoper.com/eastman
> > >
> > > I trust you are still the great investigator you were when we
> > corresponded so long ago.
> > >
> > > Maybe in better -- saner -- times we will compare notes again.
> I
> > could only gain.
> > >
> > > Warm regards,
> > >
> > > Dick Eastman
> > > Yakima, Washinton
> > >
> > > P.S. as for the impotence of internet posting -- I am taken in
> > by chaos theory
> > > and that one-quintillion-to-one shot that I just may be the
> > little butterfly who
> > > could. flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap ... --DE
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <aelewis@>
> > > To: <foo@>; <anti-capitalism@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Cc: <Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:48 PM
> > > Subject: [A-C] Re: Joni Ferris nails self-important Jew hater
> > Dick Eastman
> > >
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Yes, Joni, it does seem that Dick has become a rabid Jew-hater
> > > over the past several years. It was not always so. I have
> observed
> > > his posts over many months on anti-capitalism, as well as long
> ago
> > > (5 years ago) on other lists. It seems that the stress of his
> life
> > > (which has been considerable), combined with a latent inner
> > > scapegoat-ism and perhaps xenophobia (characteristic of
> > > right-wingers), has precipitated a psychic degeneration into
> > > Paranoid Personality Disorder (see below) with a special
> > > Jew-hating spin.
> > >
> > > (Note that I say "Jew-hating" rather than "anti-semitic". The
> > > bigtime anti-semitism in the world today is amongst the
> Zionists,
> > > the "Christian" Zionists, and other muslim-haters. Jew-hating
> is a
> > > special, narrow type of anti-semitism which ought to be
> > > distinguished from its parent.)
> > >
> > > It seems that Dick, like G L Rockwell (founder of the American
> > > Nazi Party), has yielded to "the ageless impulse of men and
> women
> > > eaten by the disease of hatred to find a political expression or
> > > rationalization for their malady":
> > >
> > > . http://www.salon.com/books/review/1999/07/19/simonelli/ ---
> > > . "[Rockwell] drank too much, battled depression, was left by
> > > . several wives, became estranged from his family and spun
> > further
> > > . and further out of control; you'll wince at the passages in
> > which
> > > . his goodhearted brother and William F. Buckley, whom Rockwell
> > > . hounded, try to get him help. In the succinct summation from
> a
> > > . 1967 volume that that Simonelli cites, Rockwell gave in
> to 'the
> > > . ageless impulse of men and women eaten by the disease of
> > hatred to
> > > . find a political expression or rationalization for their
> > malady.'"
> > >
> > > I've watched this degeneration in several other people. Some of
> > > them were quite acute thinkers and great writers, until their
> > > deterioration set in. In some cases it is hard to account for
> it.
> > > Though in Dick's case it is not so hard; he has been quite open
> > > about the extreme stresses of his personal life. That, combined
> as
> > > I say with a latent tendency, has added up to his current
> > > relentless stream of semi-demented anti-Jewish ravings and
> > > screechings. The anti-capitalism yahoo list has become a
> cesspool,
> > > unfortunately -- and largely on his account. What we have here
> is
> > > the anti-capitalism of Goebbels and Himmler, sputtering barely
> > > coherently about Jewish bankers' conspiracies. (And yes, Jewish
> > > bankers ARE an important aspect of this mess; just that their
> > > badness does not inhere in their Jewishness.)
> > >
> > > There was something in me, years ago (circa 2001), that flashed
> a
> > > warning sign, and I removed Dick from my email list and
> generally
> > > cut off communication. Somehow I sensed what was to come. And it
> > > came! Oh, brother, did it come.
> > >
> > > The paranoia was evident in years past. For example, if a
> message
> > > of his was held up for a few hours, or just did not get through,
> > > he would immediately conclude that it was because "they" were
> out
> > > to get him, and were denying him access to the chat boards or
> > > whatever. Of course, it IS possible that "they" (the
> > > establishment) might shut down people who are saying things that
> > > they do not like. Indeed it has actually happened, and I expect
> > > that it will happen increasingly. But for someone with insight,
> it
> > > is very unlikely that "they" would so selectively target a
> single
> > > individual -- an individual with NO power, purchase or
> credibility
> > > in the circles where it counts. In other words, you'd have to
> be a
> > > tad nuts, or at least seriously lacking in insight, to think
> that
> > > "they" would go out of their way to shut you down when you are
> > > (pardon me) a pipsqueak ranter from Lower Bumfuck, Nebraska,
> > > posting on a list with 323 pipsqueak members like you and me.
> Yes,
> > > "they" exist -- and they don't give a good God Damn about
> > > Yahoo-group yahoos like us. Sorry.
> > >
> > > In charity, I will grant that the capitalist system generally
> does
> > > tend to make people crazy. The stress, combined with the toxic
> > > diet and outright environmental toxins, combined with the sense
> of
> > > powerlessness (based on the REALITY of powerlessness), combined
> > > with some personal bad breaks, can drive people nuts. Not hard
> to
> > > understand.
> > >
> > > And, perhaps Dick's personal degeneration was in some measure
> > > fueled by the actual (inexcusable) behavior of radical Zionists,
> > > Likudniks and the like, who persistently refuse to take
> > > responsibility, and who deny their (very real and not just
> > > incidental) role in the current mess. Witness the brouhaha just
> > > the last week or two over the Mearsheimer/Walt piece. The Israel
> > > lobby not only does not want to take any responsibility, it
> wants
> > > to deny its own existence! THAT can drive people nuts, too.
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > PS: Note that Paranoid Personality Disorder (below) is NOT
> > > paranoid psychosis, with loss of contact with reality.
> Personality
> > > disorders are characterized by a somewhat tenuous grasp of
> reality
> > > (shall we say: "creative" personal representations of it!) --
> not
> > > with a loss of contact with it. It is more of a personal
> > > mind-style than a "disease"; see Hofstader's fine article:
> > > The Paranoid Style in American Politics
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anti-capitalism/message/18977
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > >
> > > http://mentalhelp.net/disorders/sx37.htm
> > >
> > > Paranoid Personality Disorder
> > >
> > > A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that
> their
> > > motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early
> > > adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by
> > > four (or more) of the following:
> > >
> > > 1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are
> exploiting,
> > > harming, or deceiving him or her
> > >
> > > 2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or
> > > trustworthiness of friends or associates
> > >
> > > 3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear
> > > that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
> > >
> > > 4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign
> > > remarks or events
> > >
> > > 5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults,
> > > injuries, or slights
> > >
> > > 6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that
> > > are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to
> > > counterattack
> > >
> > > 7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding
> > > fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
> > >
> > > -----------------
> > >
> > > Criteria summarized from: American Psychiatric Association.
> > > (1994). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders,
> > > fourth edition. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric
> Association.
> > >
> > > -------------------------
> > >
> > > "From the standpoint of any sane person, the present problem of
> > > capitalist concentration is not only a question of law, but of
> > > criminal law, not to mention criminal lunacy." -- G K Chesterton
> > >
> > > "You will know you have spoken the truth when you are angrily
> > > denounced; and you will know you have spoken both truly and
> > > well when you are visited by the police." -- J B R Yant
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:45:19 -0700
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting

I know these questions were addressed to John, however ...
----- Original Message -----
From: Leslie Schwartz
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting

1) I believe we have to confirm that the explosive powder found on their persons or in their van were the same as the special thermite which is now being reported as having the power to bring the buildings down.

This is true, although keep in mind the drivers of the van are still an item of interest -- even if the dogs had smelled nothing.

2) I believe in another statement I agreed that mossad could have been operationally involved, but also

noted

3) I am sure you or no other sane person would assert that mossad could order the US Air defenses to stand down, or create FEMA camouflaged helicopters flying off US Navy ships which participated in the operation, or etc. So whom ever was involved it goes well beyond mossad.

Absolutely true -- it was a cooperative venture, different payoffs for different participants -- but a network had to have pre-existed to permit coming together and trusting each other in the venture -- I think it would have to be something that we know by two aspects -- the Israel Lobby and Israeli intelligence -- putting their people in key positions in the US organization charts -- the 9-11 conspiracy ran on tracks already laid.

4) Just the fact that they were released so quickly shows that some agencies of the US government were involved

agree

5) Recall that just a few days after the event Bush went to CIA headquarters and in a large gathering in their lobby was met by cheers and jubilance among the entire crowd in attendance - what did they have to cheer about?

yes men don't need good reasons to cheer -- but I see your point

6) If you have specific proof that mossad was the single agency carrying out this attack, please present that information.

I don't -- we have rouge elements in the secret services in commanding one-way-control positions -- international (organized crime) interests (viewing them as mafias might be helpful -- including a Jewish mafia with Zionist tatoos as well as whatever Mafias Bush and Cheney are) with their octopus arms

7) My statement below taken by itself seems to deny mossad operational involvement and I do not believe that, I was speaking or writing inaccurately when I wrote that statement below.

Would you say that if Sharon was involved, that Mossad would have had to have been involved also?

And what do we mean by "involved" Leslie? Nico Haupt invented the terms LIHOP and MIHOP -- but I have always argued that LIHOP is impossible, both for the U.S. government and for Israel (and Britain) -- because somewhere along the line routine intelligence would have had to have been kept from performing its duty (i.e., an active standdown -- an active decision on Israel's (Mossad's bosses')
part to not interfere -- not not make public -- to go along with the American government's MIHOP decisions.

Have you seen the article that I put out from Peter Meyers describing how Mossad may have infiltrated and guided the hijackers -- so that they had more of an active role in planning and motivating the attack that anyone anywhere in Afganistan etc.?

8) Oddly enough for me when I was living in California I bough some paintings from that group of Israelis - they came to my house showed me their offerings and I bought a few without having any idea who they really were or what they were about.

Oh wow. Did the paintings have merit? What school of painting? How did they represent themselves -- why were they selling? How do you know it was the same group? How did the contact for the sale come about? Were they strictly salesmen or did they strike up a coversation about themselves, Israel etc. Roughly when did you buy the paintings? None of my business, I know -- but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Leslie

Dick Eastman

From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jolly Roger
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:49 AM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting

Leslie -- I think they were a bit more than just an audience -- their van tested positive for explosive residue, and the entire Mossad-front moving company they belonged to immediately disappeared back to Israel. A bit strange if they were just there to watch.

Leslie Schwartz <lhs_emf@pacbell.net> wrote:

Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for those with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have wanted the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long time, but that is not why the event happened

"There comes a time when every man feels the urge to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and start slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken

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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:04:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!

you were speaking of projects,

this is mine!

greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2617

Yep, I am digging 24/7 for the next phase. I think bio-terror/weaponised bird flu
is a possibility.

Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote:
Naveed -- I think Nico's group (team8+.org, I think) has a special section devoted to upcominhg terror drills.

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:16:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION

............that didn't answer my question..........

I like the EMN term!

NoRedCoats@aol.com wrote:
ANSWER:

"Stepford Wife-Types" are waking up from their slumber all over the country on this 9-11 issue. We Americans are used to having someone else take care of problems for us, hence many of us just want to believe whatever our government tells us, as long as they look sincere and don't blink much when they lie right to your face! We then happily go back to our daily lives sipping our coffee and watch the idiot box for hours each and every day (in general). I call it EMN (Electronic Mind Numbing)

Now you see the changes as millions take to the streets on the immigration issue and Dick Cheney gets large Boo's at a major league baseball game. Sign of the changing times!

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:14:14 -0700
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Eastman answers McBride Re: Why we believe Zionists are masterminds of September 11

If any reader is allowed to post to political-research yahoogroup where McBride posts, please post this reply to his straw man attack on those who suspect Israel of involvement in 9-11. McBride apparently does go toe to toe on this. -- Dick Eastman

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reply to McBride:

I know of no one who says that Mossad was involved without the involvement of the Administration. In fact, the way we know Mossad was involved is because of WHO in the administration was involved -- Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Zakheim, Rumsfeld (who is Jewish)

Also no one says "the Jews did it," not even me. Individuals are guilty -- they have the attributes of being Neo-cons and Zionists and Jews -- these are legitimate facts for a detective to take not of --

when we say "Italians" robbed the grocery store -- we are not saying that "all Italians" did the robbing -- and the fact that the 9-11 perps are Zionists and Neocons is relevant to the case, relevant to the investigation.

The major media is Zionist first -- Murdoch cares more about Israel than he does about Halliburton profits. etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean McBride
To: political-research@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [political-research] Bloglines - Why we believe Zionists are masterminds of September 11

I agree -- the notion that Israel masterminded 9/11, especially the notion that it did so without the knowledge and collaboration of high-level elements in the Bush administration, is preposterous on its face.

I think it is fair to speculate, however, that an extremist faction in the Israeli government, in cooperation with Israel-centric neoconservatives in the U.S. military-industrial complex (especially JINSA), may have played an important role in 9/11.

The most preposterous claim of all, of course, is that 9/11 was a "Jewish" plot, or that "the Jews" were behind it. Anti-Semitism doesn't get much more ripe than this.

The last time I checked, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were certified Christian Gentiles.

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This post shows so clearly why Daryl Bradford Smith (and his collaborator in current 9/11 affairs Eric Hufschmid) have no reason to hold sway in current discussions of 9/11. The thesis of Iraeli masterminds is only viable when one show clearly how ALL of the events of 9/11 and the cover up that has followed was carried out by "super zionist" or "super neocons". As soon as one begins to look at all the dominoes which have fallen in coordinated fashion, the amount of complicity in the halls of US intelligence agencies, judiciary, MSM, disinfo agents, Congress, Churches, British involvment. The power of the Israeli Lobby may indeed be powerful, but one has to look at the collaboration (with companies such as CDI). This "shadow govt." or what ever it should be called that did Oklahoma City and 9/11 (and 7/7, for that matter) may lead to Israel in various ways. However, the idea one just looks there without looking at all the other evidence trails would be the stuff of a magician's misdirection.

I firmly assert that the operations are so far reaching that simply pointing at Israel serves as another part of the cover up.

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Why we believe Zionists are masterminds of September 11
by Daryl Bradford Smith
April 10, 2006

1) Five men -- dressed in Arab clothing -- were seen celebrating after the World Trade Center towers were hit with airplanes.

Later that day he police spotted their van and stopped the. The police discovered that they were Israeli army veterans, not Arabs.

Their Arab clothing was discovered in their van, along with box cutters and weapons, and their visas had expired, so they were in the country illegally. There were arrested and put in a federal jail in Brooklyn.

However, they were not investigated. Rather, they were released from jail and sent back to Israel. About 60 other young Israeli Jews were arrested in the weeks following the 9-11 attack. They were also sent back to Israel without any investigation. [www.washingtonpost.com A3879-2001Nov22]

Reports several months later claim that up to 200 young Israelis, some of them former members of military intelligence units, had been arrested and sent back to Israel without any investigation. [www.telegraph.co.uk/news 2002/03/07/ixworld]

2) The Israeli spy ring
Carl Cameron, of Fox news, has a four-part investigation into an Israeli spy ring. The exposé was shown once, and then erased from the Fox web site, never to be seen again.
Some people made copies of the video, and there are transcripts on the Internet:
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm

By spying on American military, FBI, and other officials, the Israelis would know how to evade getting caught, and they could acquire blackmail material over the large number of immoral officials....

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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:16:29 -0700
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Re: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!

Do you think they will use airplanes, Greg?
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http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2617

Yep, I am digging 24/7 for the next phase. I think bio-terror/weaponised bird flu
is a possibility.

Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote:
Naveed -- I think Nico's group (team8+.org, I think) has a special section devoted to upcominhg terror drills.

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
Does anybody have any knowledge of upcoming drills for "terrorist" activity?

Considering the KOOKOOS in district of criminals (Washington DC) are having media whores trumpet using mini nukes on Iran, this is the most dangerous timing for another larger false flag.

Not endorsing the ACLU but

Eternal Vigilance is the the price of freedom........have you paid?

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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:20:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone working on activist projects here?

BULLSEYE!!!

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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:22:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION

damnit!

didn't I tell you to make that your email signature?

Fine

I'll MAKE IT MINE!

Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
i have been negligent to welcome all of the new members that have joined over the last month. Welcome to the group! And checkout my website when you get a chance and watch some of my shows! www.fightthenwo.org

Kevin

What made you realize there was something drastically wrong with the 9/11 story to which it brought you here?

just curious

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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:24:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!

No, but you can be damn sure it will be Zionist bio-terror

Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote: Do you think they will use airplanes, Greg?
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!

http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2617

Yep, I am digging 24/7 for the next phase. I think bio-terror/weaponised bird flu
is a possibility.

Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote:
Naveed -- I think Nico's group (team8+.org, I think) has a special section devoted to upcominhg terror drills.

In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:19:49 -0500
From: "Leslie Schwartz" <lhs_emf@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: Eastman answers McBride Re: Why we believe Zionists are masterminds of September 11

Rumsfeld is Protestant.

There are more non-Jewish neo-cons than there are Jewish neocons.

Even if every American neocon were Jewish that still is not proof of Israeli involvement in 9/11, that is exactly the kind of
ill-logic you recognize is invalid below.

Please refer me to actual proof that the perpetrators of 9/11 were Zionists.

Just because Israel is an indirect beneficiary of some of the outcomes of the American invasion, that does not mean that therefore
that they engineered, masterminded or caused the invasion to happen in the first place.

Is the CIA a Zionist organization and who says so that can actually prove the statement? Are the progeny of Reinhart Galen Jewish
Zionists? What known black ops agencies of the US are verifiable Zionists? The CIA were clearly involved at least in the cover up
and obfuscation of evidence that would have alerted anyone as to the coming event.

Zionist is an overloaded word, it raises too many emotions for many people to deal with and not everyone is going to agree on all of
the definitions of who is a Zionist and who is not.

Don't tell me someone is Jewish that therefore they are Zionists. Also, just because someone is a Zionist that does not make them
some incarnation of evil and guilty of every wrong you are angry about.

All this does is substitute one hate word - Jew for another hate word - Zionist.

Just because the media is not fair or balanced in its coverage of the Israel - Palestinian conflict does not mean that the media are
Zionists, what it means that people who favor Zionism have more influence over the content of the media than do people who favor
Palestinians have over the media. I have heard this accusation that the US media is run by Zionists, this is something I always hear
from hate groups and never from anyone else. I want to see the proof for that as well, not just more sloppy logic and more name
calling.

This is exactly the kind of illogic and hate speech I was referring to before.

Comments of this caliber just below are a complete waste of time.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:14 PM
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Subject: [911TruthAction] Eastman answers McBride Re: Why we believe Zionists are masterminds of September 11

If any reader is allowed to post to political-research yahoogroup where McBride posts, please post this reply to his straw man
attack on those who suspect Israel of involvement in 9-11. McBride apparently does go toe to toe on this. -- Dick Eastman

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reply to McBride:

I know of no one who says that Mossad was involved without the involvement of the Administration. In fact, the way we know Mossad
was involved is because of WHO in the administration was involved -- Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Zakheim, Rumsfeld (who is Jewish)

Also no one says "the Jews did it," not even me. Individuals are guilty -- they have the attributes of being Neo-cons and
Zionists and Jews -- these are legitimate facts for a detective to take not of --

when we say "Italians" robbed the grocery store -- we are not saying that "all Italians" did the robbing -- and the fact that
the 9-11 perps are Zionists and Neocons is relevant to the case, relevant to the investigation.

I agree -- the notion that Israel masterminded 9/11, especially the notion that it did so without the knowledge and
collaboration of high-level elements in the Bush administration, is preposterous on its face.

I think it is fair to speculate, however, that an extremist faction in the Israeli government, in cooperation with
Israel-centric neoconservatives in the U.S. military-industrial complex (especially JINSA), may have played an important role in
9/11.

The most preposterous claim of all, of course, is that 9/11 was a "Jewish" plot, or that "the Jews" were behind it.
Anti-Semitism doesn't get much more ripe than this.

The last time I checked, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were certified Christian Gentiles.

bill.giltner@gmail.com wrote:
Bloglines user bill.giltner@gmail.com has sent this item to you, with the following personal message:
This post shows so clearly why Daryl Bradford Smith (and his collaborator in current 9/11 affairs Eric Hufschmid) have no
reason to hold sway in current discussions of 9/11. The thesis of Iraeli masterminds is only viable when one show clearly how ALL of
the events of 9/11 and the cover up that has followed was carried out by "super zionist" or "super neocons". As soon as one begins
to look at all the dominoes which have fallen in coordinated fashion, the amount of complicity in the halls of US intelligence
agencies, judiciary, MSM, disinfo agents, Congress, Churches, British involvment. The power of the Israeli Lobby may indeed be
powerful, but one has to look at the collaboration (with companies such as CDI). This "shadow govt." or what ever it should be
called that did Oklahoma City and 9/11 (and 7/7, for that matter) may lead to Israel in various ways. However, the idea one just
looks there without looking at all the other evidence trails would be the stuff of a magician's misdirection.

I firmly assert that the operations are so far reaching that simply pointing at Israel serves as another part of the cover up.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
SiaNews/FriendsOfLiberty
Friends of Liberty

Why we believe Zionists are masterminds of September 11
by Daryl Bradford Smith
April 10, 2006

1) Five men -- dressed in Arab clothing -- were seen celebrating after the World Trade Center towers were
hit with airplanes.

Later that day he police spotted their van and stopped the. The police discovered that they were Israeli
army veterans, not Arabs.

Their Arab clothing was discovered in their van, along with box cutters and weapons, and their visas had
expired, so they were in the country illegally. There were arrested and put in a federal jail in Brooklyn.

However, they were not investigated. Rather, they were released from jail and sent back to Israel. About
60 other young Israeli Jews were arrested in the weeks following the 9-11 attack. They were also sent back to Israel without any
investigation. [www.washingtonpost.com A3879-2001Nov22]

Reports several months later claim that up to 200 young Israelis, some of them former members of military
intelligence units, had been arrested and sent back to Israel without any investigation. [www.telegraph.co.uk/news
2002/03/07/ixworld]

2) The Israeli spy ring
Carl Cameron, of Fox news, has a four-part investigation into an Israeli spy ring. The exposé was shown
once, and then erased from the Fox web site, never to be seen again.
Some people made copies of the video, and there are transcripts on the Internet:
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm

By spying on American military, FBI, and other officials, the Israelis would know how to evade getting
caught, and they could acquire blackmail material over the large number of immoral officials....

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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:57:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TO ALL NEW MEMBERS A QUESTION

Gonna do it right NOW!

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote: damnit!

didn't I tell you to make that your email signature?

Fine

I'll MAKE IT MINE!

What made you realize there was something drastically wrong with the 9/11 story to which it brought you here?

just curious

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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:20:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!

Did anyone ever go to www.signsofthetimes.org and read the article about the recent weirdness about the capitol?!

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote: you were speaking of projects,

this is mine!

Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote:
Naveed -- I think Nico's group (team8+.org, I think) has a special section devoted to upcominhg terror drills.

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