Wednesday, April 05, 2006

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1210

There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. another celeb ?? 9/11 that slipped throught the cracks
From: Scott Legere <sledger911@yahoo.com>
2. Re: another celeb ?? 9/11 that slipped throught the cracks
From: Scott Legere <sledger911@yahoo.com>
3. Re: MANDATORY AIDS TESTING -Clinton's Slippery Slope
From: amy dalzell <amydalzell@yahoo.com>
4. Iran is inevitable - the Sunday Telegraph of London
From: Judy Cunningham <drjudyforjustice@yahoo.com>
5. Re: Reframing 9/11 Truth
From: linelites@mindspring.com
6. 9/11: a 7-Man Job
From: "botalerts" <botalerts@yahoo.ca>
7. Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect ! tvnl news
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
8. Bush 41 Main 9/11 Suspect !
From: "stoelting1981" <fiat@sofnet.com>
9. Ben Stein on the State of the "Union"
From: janet phelan <jcphelan10@yahoo.com>
10. The Liberal Progressive Two-Step
From: janet phelan <jcphelan10@yahoo.com>
11. [Fwd: 9/11 UN International Independent Investigation Commission]
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
12. What would you do? by Paris (song about 9/11
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
13. Tarpley on TV tomoro at 9 a.m.
From: John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net>
14. Re: Reframing 9/11 Truth
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
15. Help defend Sheen
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
16. Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary Arrested....GOPedophile bites the dust
From: Moondancermom@aol.com
17. Injustices of the West Against The Arab World
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 06:18:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Legere <sledger911@yahoo.com>
Subject: another celeb ?? 9/11 that slipped throught the cracks

She's a mid level personality but she did say a few things a while back

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=707605

She'll be in the new flick comming out in Aug. She took a lot of flack for saying what she said.


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 06:30:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Legere <sledger911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: another celeb ?? 9/11 that slipped throught the cracks

A few more with this interesting :phrase

The 27-year-old actress, who stars in a new film about the 2001 terror attacks on the World Trade Center, said in an interview last week that the United States "is responsible in some way" for the attacks.

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,12589,1471340,00.html

http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=189305&GT1=6428

Scott Legere <sledger911@yahoo.com> wrote:
She's a mid level personality but she did say a few things a while back

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=707605

She'll be in the new flick comming out in Aug. She took a lot of flack for saying what she said.

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 06:42:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: amy dalzell <amydalzell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MANDATORY AIDS TESTING -Clinton's Slippery Slope

Really? That's interesting. I have no hard evidence about the origins of AIDS, but I sure it's out there.

Maybe we can hope that 9/11 will be the catalyst that will eventually undermine the mountain of lies told to the American people just since 1955 (my birth).

Judy Cunningham <drjudyforjustice@yahoo.com> wrote:
A few years, ago, The Guardian Newspaper of England, (Greg Palast), printed an article stating that aids developed in Africa in areas, where the U.S. just happened to distribute "small pox vaccines."

amy dalzell <amydalzell@yahoo.com> wrote: I think, perhaps, we should be worrying more about where AIDS came from in the first place. Let's see - c. 1979 - hmmmm - monogamy, hypocrisy, and marriage (and religion) being challenged on every front in the U.S. and the general Western world...

hmmmmmm....women getting out of line.....What do we need to keep these people in their place?

hmmmm...

A heterosexual WHITE hegemonic culture being challenged by people who want to live their own lives and LOVE each other...

What to we need? hmmmmm...

'How 'bout an incurable, sexually transmitted disease that originated in AFRICA from MONKEYS that (initially) affects HOMOSEXUALS!!

hmmmmmm........

Whom do you think...Dupont? Monsanto?

Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com> wrote:
MANDATORY AIDS TESTING - Clinton's Slippery Slope
30 March 2006

Bill Clinton has called for mandatory testing for HIV/AIDS in nations that have high infection rates.

Clinton (as in I did not inhale, I did not have sex with that woman in the stained navy dress) is hereby telling the impoverished nations of the world that they must be tested for AIDS, for their own good.

Mandatory testing for one country, soon to be many more. Woops! Live in the wrong country? Sorry. You will soon be tested for AIDS.

Continued: http://mytown.ca/garger/

The world can only be redeemed through action--movement -- motion. Uncoerced, unbribed and unbought, humanity will move toward the light.
Alice Hubbard's introduction to An American Bible (1912)


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:14:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Judy Cunningham <drjudyforjustice@yahoo.com>
Subject: Iran is inevitable - the Sunday Telegraph of London

At our 9/11 flyering event, I talked to an Army Officer who just returned from Iraq, and he said that it is all propaganda, to gain control of Iran, about Iran developing missles. Israel has enough missles aimed at Tehran to level it, within minutes, if Israel really suspected Iran was developing missles.

Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:

DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism Security
British military chiefs believe a US-led strike against Iran is inevitable - the Sunday Telegraph of London
April 2, 2006, 6:32 AM (GMT+02:00)

The paper reports the prospect will be aired at a secret high-level UK defense ministry meeting Monday.
DEBKAfile’s military sources report: British generals will examine Iran’s successful test of a Fajr-3 multiple warhead missile that can reach Israel, that was carried out undetected by US or Israel radar Friday, March 31. It was launched on the first day of a large-scale Iranian exercise in the Persian Gulf and Sea of Oman.
Those sources add that the Israeli Arrow anti-missile system has no answer for multiple warhead ballistic missiles.
The US hopes for a multinational military operation to destroy Iran’s ability to develop a nuclear bomb - if Tehran fail to comply with the UN security council demand to freeze uranium enrichment. But British defense chiefs believe that failing international support, the Bush administration would go it alone or with Israel’s assistance.
DEBKAfile adds: Last month, former Israel chief of staff Moshe Yaalon estimated that a strike of this kind would be phased, suggesting that each phase would be undertaken by a different armed force.
In Blackburn, northwest England, Saturday, US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice said all negotiating options including the use of force remained open for resolving the Iran crisis. Last month, foreign secretary Jack Straw took the opposite stance saying a military attack was inconceivable.
According to the Sunday Telegraph, British military chiefs believe an attack would be limited to a series of air strikes against nuclear plants rather than a land assault - tactical Tomahawk cruise missiles fired from US navy ships and submarines in the Gulf, followed by B2 stealth bombers equipped with 8 4,500lb enhanced BLU-28 satellite-guided bunker-busting bombs flying from Diego Garcia, the RAF base in Gloucestershire in the UK and Whiteman USAF base in Missouri.
At least eight nuclear sites are known within Iran but there are many more secret ones.
The London paper reports Washington fears an Iranian nuclear weapon could be used against Israel or US forces in the region as well as destabilizing the Middle East with Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia opting for nuclear weapons programs.


Steve


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:45:37 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: linelites@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Reframing 9/11 Truth

I'VE BEEN FRAMED......
Good work, Donald.
I sadden to think the human species has to wade through such bull for such simple truths.
But if we gotta play this game, so be it. From now on...."the towers were pulverized"
(and so will be our opponent's argument)
Jeremy

-----Original Message-----
>From: Donald Stahl <politicstahl@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 3, 2006 9:25 PM
>To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [911TruthAction] Reframing 9/11 Truth
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>It is no secret to 9/11 activists that it's difficult to get the
>truth across. We need to recognize that we are not alone here, and
>that "progressives" and "liberals" have the same problem. They are
>beginning to come up with some answers, and we need to know what they
>are.
>
>I'm speaking of George Lakoff and his Rockridge Institute:
>http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/ .
>
>Reframing isn't everything, as William A. Gamson and Charlotte Ryan
>point out,
>http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v19n2/gamson_elephants.html but it
>is something, and it's a tool 9/11 Truth has much use for. This is
>because every time someone, whether Truther or Bush-backer, says that
>the WTC buildings "collapsed," they use vocabulary that frames and
>supports the official story. This is not a habit we want to be
>copying from the Democrats.
>
>On p. 73 of Don't Think of an Elephant! Know Your Values and Frame
>the Debate, (White River Junction, VT, 2004) Lakoff says:
>
>"One of the fundamental findings of cognitive science is that people
>think in terms of frames and metaphors¾conceptual structures like
>those we have been describing. The frames are in the synapses of our
>brains, physically present in the form of neural circuitry. When the
>facts don't fit the frames, the frames are kept and the facts ignored.
>
>"It is a common folk theory of progressives that `the facts will set
>you free.' If only you can get all the facts out there in the public
>eye, then every rational person will reach the right conclusion. It
>is a vain hope. Human brains just don't work that way. Framing
>matters. Frames once entrenched are hard to dispel." (73).
>.
>Every 9/11 activist will admit this.
>
>Here is Doug Thompson answering responses to his anti-9/11 Truth
>rant, "9/11 Conspiracy Theories Don`t Pass the Smell Test":
>
>To answer some questions:
>--I've watched "Loose Change." Didn't convince me. Lots of
>speculation.
>--Striking The Washington Monument didn't have enough kill potential.
>The plane would have crashed short of the Pentagon.
>--As a journalist, I based my conclusions on facts from experts, not
>speculation from others with an agenda. The facts, as I see them,
>don't support the theories. As someone who loves a good story I wish
>they did. But they don't.
>Doug
>Posted by Doug Thompson at March 31, 2006 10:10 AM
>
>Now here is Lakoff again:
>
>"When we negate a frame, we evoke the frame." (3).
>
>"Remember, don't just negate the other person's claims; reframe. The
>facts unframed will not set you free. You cannot win just by stating
>the true facts and showing that they contradict your opponent's
>claims. Frames trump facts. His frames will stay and the facts will
>bounce off. Always reframe." (115).
>
>Note that Lakoff is not suggesting that you ignore facts.
>
>As examples of framing Lakoff gives the phrases `tax
>relief', `permission slip' and `wasteful spending` (as in Bush's
>State of the Union speech), 'rogue states', 'friendly nations'
>and `family values'.
>
>"When the word tax is added to relief, the result is a metaphor:
>Taxation is an affliction. And the person who takes it away is a
>hero, and anyone who tries to stop him is a bad guy. This is a
>frame. It is made up of ideas, like affliction and hero. The language
>that evokes the frame comes out of the White House, and it goes into
>press releases, goes to every radio station, every TV station, every
>newspaper. And soon the New York Times is using tax relief. And it is
>not only on Fox; it is on CNN, it is on NBC, it is on every station
>because it is `the president's tax-relief plan.' And soon the
>Democrats are using tax relief¾and shooting themselves in the foot."
>(4).
>
>An example of framing relevant to 9/11 Truth is saying that the WTC
>Towers collapsed.
>
>The official story has it that the three buildings of the World Trade
>Center did what they did because they were on fire, but no one says
>that the buildings "burned down." That would be ludicrously
>inappropriate, even though they did turn into a kind of "ashes." The
>official story has to use the term `collapse' because that term is so
>general it conceals what really happened to the buildings. Buildings
>collapse in earthquakes, but they don't turn into what the WTC
>buildings turned into. Firefighter Joe Casaliggi, in the DVD 9/11,
>created by Jules and Gedeon Naudet, says, "The building collapsed TO
>DUST. [His emphasis.]" But he was only using the word that had been
>given to him by the media. He knows as well as you or I that
>nothing "collapses to dust." That is as silly as saying that
>they "collapsed to smithereens."
>
>Lakoff himself is misled into misdescribing what happened to the
>Towers.
>
>"Metaphorically, tall buildings are people standing erect. As each
>tower fell, it became a body falling. … when we see a plane coming
>toward the building and imagine people in the building, we feel the
>plane coming toward us; when we see the building toppling toward
>others, we feel the building toppling toward us. … If we see the
>plane going through the building, and unconsciously we evoke the
>metaphor of the building as a head with the plane going through its
>temple, then we sense¾unconsciously but powerfully¾being shot through
>the temple. If we evoke the metaphor of the building as a person and
>see the building fall to the ground in pieces, then we sense¾again
>unconsciously but powerfully¾that we are falling to the ground in
>pieces." (54).
>
>Anyone who watched the news during VietNam, as Lakoff did, has seen a
>person being shot in the temple and falling to the ground; and they
>know that the person does not fall to the ground in pieces, much less
>disintegrate from the top down.
>
>This is what happened to the WTC buildings: they didn't topple; they
>disintegrated. When something falls down, it doesn't disintegrate, it
>just falls down, or collapses. When something burns up, it may
>disintegrate, but not in ten seconds. The only way to disintegrate
>massive concrete and steel buildings is by means of explosives, and
>that fact is apparent even to very frightened people.
>
>It was good to have Hoffman and S.P.I.N.E. showing that what the
>official story alleges is physically impossible; in fact, it was
>necessary in the beginning because people are often unwilling to
>trust their own judgment when it seems to be contradicted by experts
>and authorities.
>
>In the 1950s a psychology professor, Solomon Asch, did some
>experiments on college students. He told them that he wanted to test
>visual perception, but that was a lie. He had them sit in a classroom
>with other students and showed them all some lines, asking which
>lines looked like they were the same length, but only one student was
>really being tested. The others were conspirators along with
>Professor Asch, and they deliberately gave wrong answers. The student
>being tested was always asked last, after having heard all the others
>say that it looked to them like the wrong lines were the same length.
>The experiment was really to find out how many people,
>percentagewise, could be made to say that they saw what they didn't
>see, just to go along with the crowd. The answer was: about one third.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments
>
>Note that the pressure came only from their equals, other
>undergraduates, not from any authority figure such as the teacher.
>Suppose some crafty professor told his class that he was going to
>illustrate the nature of some visual illusions for them, and then
>showed them some unequal lines, saying that the appearance of
>inequality was an illusion¾the lines were really equal. He then puts
>out a bogus, but detailed, explanation of why the lines look unequal
>when they're not. How many of the class will be fooled? Probably
>quite a few; a majority, surely, if not all. What happened to the
>Towers looked like a controlled demolition, but of course it really
>wasn't. It couldn't have been, because the authorities, that is, the
>government and the $1.3 trillion media industry, said it wasn't. It
>may have looked like a missile hit the Pentagon and the abandoned
>strip mine in Pennsylvania, but of course what really happened was
>that a giant airliner, a Boeing 757 weighing 128,730 lbs. empty, hit
>those places and disappeared, according to some highly convoluted
>explanation.
>
>"Even though the facts which prove this to be so [that is, that they
>were lied to] may be brought clearly to their minds, they [the
>people] will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that
>there may be some other explanation."
>
>Hitler was certainly right when he said this. Bring the facts clearly
>to their minds, or even to their eyes; when the obvious is also the
>unthinkable, what are they to do? The function of
>government "experts" is to provide that "other explanation,"
>those "facts as we (would like to) see them" which will allow people
>to continue to think what they want to think, what they need to
>think, in spite of their own eyes.
>
>The point is that it is obvious that the Towers were exploded. Saying
>that they collapsed obscures this and shoots us in the foot. The
>Towers didn't "fall," or "come down," or "topple." They disintegrated
>from the top down, as anyone with eyes can see. Shock and awe are
>over now. It's time to start reframing the obvious as obvious.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:46:59 -0000
From: "botalerts" <botalerts@yahoo.ca>
Subject: 9/11: a 7-Man Job

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/04/911-7-man-job.html

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:10:57 -0000
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
Subject: Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect ! tvnl news

9/11 News : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#911

· Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect - The
former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents
Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of
9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of
the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.

· Oprah911.com - Here is the idea - have Oprah Winfrey do a show or
ultimately a series of shows on the events surrounding 911.
TVNL Comment: Our original idea is getting some attention and support!

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:19:21 -0000
From: "stoelting1981" <fiat@sofnet.com>
Subject: Bush 41 Main 9/11 Suspect !

Google Search: "Arrest Bush 41"
The FBI uses polygraphs to eliminate suspects.

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:37:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: janet phelan <jcphelan10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Ben Stein on the State of the "Union"

If they know of him at all, many folks think Ben Stein is just a quirky actor/comedian who talks in a monotone. He's also a very intelligent attorney who knows how to put ideas and words together in such a way as to sway juries and make people think clearly.
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The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary, Sunday, 12/18/05.

Herewith at this happy time of year, a few confessions from my beating heart: I have no freaking clue who Nick and Jessica are. I see them on the cover of People and Us constantly when I am buying my dog biscuits and kitty litter. I often ask the checkers at the grocery stores. They never know who Nick and Jessica are either. Who are they? Will it change my life if I know who they are and why they have broken up? Why are they so important?
I don't know who Lindsay Lohan is either, and I do not care at all about Tom Cruise's wife.

Am I going to be called before a Senate committee and asked if I am a subversive? Maybe, but I just have no clue who Nick and Jessica are.
If this is what it means to be no longer young. It's not so bad.

Next confession:
I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.
It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, "Merry Christmas" to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu. If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution, and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship Nick and Jessica and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him?

I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.

But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the America we knew went to.


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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:57:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: janet phelan <jcphelan10@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Liberal Progressive Two-Step

The Liberal-Progressive Two-Step
(set to the Rabbinical Rag)--dedicated to Steve Rodhe (head of the ACLU of Southern California)

The music is starting
grab your partner
and dance
as if your life
depended on it

Do si do
to 911
but very carefully
dance around
the Reichstag Fires similarity
and do not approach
impending genocide
do not approach
massive/ imminent/ domestic /carnage

or this dance
will prove your last

Swing your partner
round and round
but sidestep
targetting
sidestep
death squads
and don't even mention
the water!

If your partner
is a mole
if your partner
is a plant
smile sweetly
curtsy
and move on down the line

Dance to anti-war
protest marches
dance to letter writing campaigns
dance to Vote Democrat
in 2008
and other completely ineffective gestures

Dance to no WMD?
Must be the oil!
Dance to Iraq/
Afghanistan/Haiti
But do not dance
to the dirge of America

Ignore the disappeared
Ignore the quote unquote suicides
Ignore the quote unquote accidents

Dance around the truth
as if it were on fire

cause you want to dance
the next round

Don't you?

Janet C. Phelan


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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:09:08 -0700
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
Subject: [Fwd: 9/11 UN International Independent Investigation Commission]

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:57:48 -0700
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
Subject: What would you do? by Paris (song about 9/11

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:04:05 -0700
From: John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net>
Subject: Tarpley on TV tomoro at 9 a.m.

Webster Tarpley TV Interview on 9/11 Truth Breakthru Airs
in Manhattan, on Internet, Wed. April 5th

Author shares iconoclastic views on 9/11 and "War on Terrorism."
Tarpley's publisher files shareholder motion today urging
insurance giant to investigate WTC demolition charges.

An interview with Webster Tarpley will be aired on the Public Access
Network in New York City on Wed. April 5th on MNN (Manhattan
Neighborhood Network) on 9 to 10 a.m. EDT on Channel 67 and will be
simulcast on www.MNN.org at the same hour.

To watch the simulcast you only need a broadband internet connection.
Just click on Channel 34 once you are on the MNN.org website.

The interview will be on Tina Tarryk's show, "Making Known The
Unknown." It was taped on March 29th.

Molly Cheshire interviews Mr. Tarpley, and the focus is the startling
release of the article in New York Magazine and the unexpected
appearance of Charlie Sheen on CNN the week of March 20th. These new
developments show that it is possible for these radical ideas to be
recognized by the mainstream. We also discuss the destruction of WTC
Building 7 as the incontrovertible evidence that defies the
authorized explanation.

In a separate development, Tarpley's publisher, John Leonard of
Progressive Press in California, is campaigning to highlight the
negligence of the big insurance companies in failing to investigate
suspect damage claims filed against them for the destruction of the
NY World Center. He has purchased shares in two large German
reinsurance companies, Allianz and Munich Re, in order to make
shareholder motions at their annual general meetings. Today, April
4th, he filed a motion to withhold approval of the Munich Re board of
directors, which should be published on the firm's website. The text
may be viewed at www.waronfreedom.org/press/mumotion.txt

Home URL of this release: www.waronfreedom.org/press/MNN-MU-4406.txt
or http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200604/1144202072.html

Progressive Press Home: www.progressivepress.com

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Reframing 9/11 Truth

All I have to say is to point them to Prof Steven Jones. let the morons argue with HIM.

linelites@mindspring.com wrote: I'VE BEEN FRAMED......
Good work, Donald.
I sadden to think the human species has to wade through such bull for such simple truths.
But if we gotta play this game, so be it. From now on...."the towers were pulverized"
(and so will be our opponent's argument)
Jeremy

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>From: Donald Stahl <politicstahl@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 3, 2006 9:25 PM
>To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [911TruthAction] Reframing 9/11 Truth
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>It is no secret to 9/11 activists that it's difficult to get the
>truth across. We need to recognize that we are not alone here, and
>that "progressives" and "liberals" have the same problem. They are
>beginning to come up with some answers, and we need to know what they
>are.
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>I'm speaking of George Lakoff and his Rockridge Institute:
>http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/ .
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>Reframing isn't everything, as William A. Gamson and Charlotte Ryan
>point out,
>http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v19n2/gamson_elephants.html but it
>is something, and it's a tool 9/11 Truth has much use for. This is
>because every time someone, whether Truther or Bush-backer, says that
>the WTC buildings "collapsed," they use vocabulary that frames and
>supports the official story. This is not a habit we want to be
>copying from the Democrats.
>
>On p. 73 of Don't Think of an Elephant! Know Your Values and Frame
>the Debate, (White River Junction, VT, 2004) Lakoff says:
>
>"One of the fundamental findings of cognitive science is that people
>think in terms of frames and metaphors¾conceptual structures like
>those we have been describing. The frames are in the synapses of our
>brains, physically present in the form of neural circuitry. When the
>facts don't fit the frames, the frames are kept and the facts ignored.
>
>"It is a common folk theory of progressives that `the facts will set
>you free.' If only you can get all the facts out there in the public
>eye, then every rational person will reach the right conclusion. It
>is a vain hope. Human brains just don't work that way. Framing
>matters. Frames once entrenched are hard to dispel." (73).
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>Every 9/11 activist will admit this.
>
>Here is Doug Thompson answering responses to his anti-9/11 Truth
>rant, "9/11 Conspiracy Theories Don`t Pass the Smell Test":
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>To answer some questions:
>--I've watched "Loose Change." Didn't convince me. Lots of
>speculation.
>--Striking The Washington Monument didn't have enough kill potential.
>The plane would have crashed short of the Pentagon.
>--As a journalist, I based my conclusions on facts from experts, not
>speculation from others with an agenda. The facts, as I see them,
>don't support the theories. As someone who loves a good story I wish
>they did. But they don't.
>Doug
>Posted by Doug Thompson at March 31, 2006 10:10 AM
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>Now here is Lakoff again:
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>"When we negate a frame, we evoke the frame." (3).
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>"Remember, don't just negate the other person's claims; reframe. The
>facts unframed will not set you free. You cannot win just by stating
>the true facts and showing that they contradict your opponent's
>claims. Frames trump facts. His frames will stay and the facts will
>bounce off. Always reframe." (115).
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>Note that Lakoff is not suggesting that you ignore facts.
>
>As examples of framing Lakoff gives the phrases `tax
>relief', `permission slip' and `wasteful spending` (as in Bush's
>State of the Union speech), 'rogue states', 'friendly nations'
>and `family values'.
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>"When the word tax is added to relief, the result is a metaphor:
>Taxation is an affliction. And the person who takes it away is a
>hero, and anyone who tries to stop him is a bad guy. This is a
>frame. It is made up of ideas, like affliction and hero. The language
>that evokes the frame comes out of the White House, and it goes into
>press releases, goes to every radio station, every TV station, every
>newspaper. And soon the New York Times is using tax relief. And it is
>not only on Fox; it is on CNN, it is on NBC, it is on every station
>because it is `the president's tax-relief plan.' And soon the
>Democrats are using tax relief¾and shooting themselves in the foot."
>(4).
>
>An example of framing relevant to 9/11 Truth is saying that the WTC
>Towers collapsed.
>
>The official story has it that the three buildings of the World Trade
>Center did what they did because they were on fire, but no one says
>that the buildings "burned down." That would be ludicrously
>inappropriate, even though they did turn into a kind of "ashes." The
>official story has to use the term `collapse' because that term is so
>general it conceals what really happened to the buildings. Buildings
>collapse in earthquakes, but they don't turn into what the WTC
>buildings turned into. Firefighter Joe Casaliggi, in the DVD 9/11,
>created by Jules and Gedeon Naudet, says, "The building collapsed TO
>DUST. [His emphasis.]" But he was only using the word that had been
>given to him by the media. He knows as well as you or I that
>nothing "collapses to dust." That is as silly as saying that
>they "collapsed to smithereens."
>
>Lakoff himself is misled into misdescribing what happened to the
>Towers.
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>"Metaphorically, tall buildings are people standing erect. As each
>tower fell, it became a body falling. … when we see a plane coming
>toward the building and imagine people in the building, we feel the
>plane coming toward us; when we see the building toppling toward
>others, we feel the building toppling toward us. … If we see the
>plane going through the building, and unconsciously we evoke the
>metaphor of the building as a head with the plane going through its
>temple, then we sense¾unconsciously but powerfully¾being shot through
>the temple. If we evoke the metaphor of the building as a person and
>see the building fall to the ground in pieces, then we sense¾again
>unconsciously but powerfully¾that we are falling to the ground in
>pieces." (54).
>
>Anyone who watched the news during VietNam, as Lakoff did, has seen a
>person being shot in the temple and falling to the ground; and they
>know that the person does not fall to the ground in pieces, much less
>disintegrate from the top down.
>
>This is what happened to the WTC buildings: they didn't topple; they
>disintegrated. When something falls down, it doesn't disintegrate, it
>just falls down, or collapses. When something burns up, it may
>disintegrate, but not in ten seconds. The only way to disintegrate
>massive concrete and steel buildings is by means of explosives, and
>that fact is apparent even to very frightened people.
>
>It was good to have Hoffman and S.P.I.N.E. showing that what the
>official story alleges is physically impossible; in fact, it was
>necessary in the beginning because people are often unwilling to
>trust their own judgment when it seems to be contradicted by experts
>and authorities.
>
>In the 1950s a psychology professor, Solomon Asch, did some
>experiments on college students. He told them that he wanted to test
>visual perception, but that was a lie. He had them sit in a classroom
>with other students and showed them all some lines, asking which
>lines looked like they were the same length, but only one student was
>really being tested. The others were conspirators along with
>Professor Asch, and they deliberately gave wrong answers. The student
>being tested was always asked last, after having heard all the others
>say that it looked to them like the wrong lines were the same length.
>The experiment was really to find out how many people,
>percentagewise, could be made to say that they saw what they didn't
>see, just to go along with the crowd. The answer was: about one third.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments
>
>Note that the pressure came only from their equals, other
>undergraduates, not from any authority figure such as the teacher.
>Suppose some crafty professor told his class that he was going to
>illustrate the nature of some visual illusions for them, and then
>showed them some unequal lines, saying that the appearance of
>inequality was an illusion¾the lines were really equal. He then puts
>out a bogus, but detailed, explanation of why the lines look unequal
>when they're not. How many of the class will be fooled? Probably
>quite a few; a majority, surely, if not all. What happened to the
>Towers looked like a controlled demolition, but of course it really
>wasn't. It couldn't have been, because the authorities, that is, the
>government and the $1.3 trillion media industry, said it wasn't. It
>may have looked like a missile hit the Pentagon and the abandoned
>strip mine in Pennsylvania, but of course what really happened was
>that a giant airliner, a Boeing 757 weighing 128,730 lbs. empty, hit
>those places and disappeared, according to some highly convoluted
>explanation.
>
>"Even though the facts which prove this to be so [that is, that they
>were lied to] may be brought clearly to their minds, they [the
>people] will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that
>there may be some other explanation."
>
>Hitler was certainly right when he said this. Bring the facts clearly
>to their minds, or even to their eyes; when the obvious is also the
>unthinkable, what are they to do? The function of
>government "experts" is to provide that "other explanation,"
>those "facts as we (would like to) see them" which will allow people
>to continue to think what they want to think, what they need to
>think, in spite of their own eyes.
>
>The point is that it is obvious that the Towers were exploded. Saying
>that they collapsed obscures this and shoots us in the foot. The
>Towers didn't "fall," or "come down," or "topple." They disintegrated
>from the top down, as anyone with eyes can see. Shock and awe are
>over now. It's time to start reframing the obvious as obvious.
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