Saturday, February 11, 2006

Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from Group: Blog Post about Michael B. Green

The first hit? No it isn't. It's the second. The first went dead centre. The second was off centre and near to the edge - hence travel along the wall inside. Hmmm.
 
 
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Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from Group: Blog Post about Michael B. Green

The raking explosion along the side is part of the first hit as caught
in the Pavel video which was really taken from a firetruck already in
line to Manhattan.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/pavel

The raking side explosion does fit that cartoonie notion of a SuperPlane
raking thru steel beams and concrete, but tough.
It's not possible. Wings are aluminum. They have fuel tanks inside.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane/crashflash.htm
Notice what happens when a plane touches a fence or a wire, a trivial
barrier compared to a series of concrete reinforced steel beams.


ron_winn wrote:
> May be, but it seems a very elaborate special effect to give the
> impression that something is passing through the inside and what pops
> out has passed the test of time [no argument as to its authencity] and
> that is a missile warhead. What that special effect would be achieving
> is that   "their 175" was still going strong with its starboard wing
> stub cutting through the wall. It's requires too much thought process
> of both them and the public. It wasn't needed. You see, the concept of
> the plane in/missile out doesn't fit in with a no plane scenario. It
> needed to be adjusted to - no plane in/missile out. We can't argue a
> no plane scenario when we infer "plane in" but argue against missile
> out. Anyone like to counter that that is not a missile warhead popping
> out the north wall?   
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Rosalee Grable <mailto:webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
>     *To:* 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2006 6:49 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from
>     Group: Blog Post about Michael B. Green
>
>     Nothing says those are "wings cutting through the building."
>     That's WAY
>     TOO Cartoon.
>     More likely the side of the building is being raked by a tesla
>     cannon or
>     even preplanted explosives from some hollywood special effects
>     department.
>     Farking wings would not stay attached and would not be
>     karate-chopping
>     their way through floors and walls intact like superman.
>     That's silly stuff.
>
>
>     ron_winn wrote:
>     > Anything launched like that is too small, Nico.
>     > The clips "Plane In/Missile Out" gives us the size. And it had
>     small
>     > wings that can be seen cutting through the building on the
>     outside not
>     > small fins.
>     > Missiles could have been used as a distraction when looking outward
>     > there is no looking inward.
>     >
>     >     ----- Original Message -----
>     >     *From:* Nico Haupt <mailto:nicohaupt@gmx.li>
>     >     *To:* 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>     >     <mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
>     >     *Cc:* alexldent@yahoo.com <mailto:alexldent@yahoo.com>
>     >     *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2006 5:03 PM
>     >     *Subject:* Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from
>     >     Group: Blog Post about Michael B. Green
>     >
>     >     > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>     >     > Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com
>     <mailto:alexldent@yahoo.com>>
>     >     > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>     >     <mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
>     >     > Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from
>     Group:
>     >     Blog Post
>     >     > about Michael B. Green
>     >     > Datum: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:59:44 -0000
>     >     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     I don't believe, they came from a ship. Too many witnesses,
>     too long
>     >     distance.
>     >
>     >     I believe, the missiles were handshouldered or from a device
>     in a
>     >     downtown
>     >     building. Unfortunately we never really mapped that area,
>     >     comparing with the
>     >     video clips, so that everything is a kind of speculation, but my
>     >     favourite
>     >     buildings are still woolworth building, wtc 7 or maybe even
>     one of
>     >     the US
>     >     Military Helicopters, operated by a mercenary, who later got
>     >     killed in a
>     >     third country.
>     >
>     >
>     >     >>>>Okay.  Now-- what are you saying about what the F16s were
>     >     doing going
>     >     out to the ocean?  And are you saying the missiles came from
>     a US Navy
>     >     ship or not?<<<
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>     >     Okay.  Now-- what are you saying about what the F16s were
>     doing going
>     >     out to the ocean?  And are you saying the missiles came from
>     a US Navy
>     >     ship or not?
>     >
>     >     --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn"
>     <ron_winn@...>
>     >     wrote:
>     >     >
>     >     > It's this word elements within that needs a definition.
>     Many are
>     >     naming the element within as people in the administration
>     but there
>     >     are of course other elements. Religious, political, military,
>     >     environmentalists, business & criminal elements.
>     >     >
>     >     > Not only does the word terrorism need defining but inside
>     job needs
>     >     one too. A few have defined what they mean as an inside job.
>     But other
>     >     use an inside job to encompass all the above elements which only
>     >     infers that that excludes those accused in the official
>     story. It
>     >     might help the "movement" if an "inside job" was defined. It
>     might be
>     >     more of a selling point if what was put to the people was
>     "al Qaida
>     >     didn't do 9/11. How could they when 67(?) times in the past
>     smaller
>     >     aircraft have been located in American skies and got
>     themselves a
>     >     fighter escort."
>     >     >
>     >     > ----- Original Message -----
>     >     >   From: alexldent
>     >     >   To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>     >     >   Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:39 PM
>     >     >   Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique
>     from Group:
>     >     Blog Post about Michael B. Green
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >   You are touching on a fascinating idea-- that the navy
>     shot the
>     >     missiles that
>     >     >   were used on 9/11 and the F16s were sent out to check
>     out what the
>     >     navy
>     >     >   was doing (?)-- but I really don't follow your overall
>     point.
>     >     Maybe the problem
>     >     >   is just semantics on what "inside job" means.  What is your
>     >     definition of "inside
>     >     >   job"?  Mine is simply that some elements of the USG were
>     involved
>     >     actively in
>     >     >   the attacks.
>     >     >
>     >     >   --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn"
>     <ron_winn@>
>     >     >   wrote:
>     >     >   >
>     >     >   > We know that F16's  were sent out to sea which has
>     never really
>     >     been
>     >     >   explained. In fact it seems such a stupid thing to do.
>     Or else too
>     >     obvious
>     >     >   sending them on a wild goose chase as if to get them
>     away from
>     >     where they
>     >     >   might hinder the "inside job". NORAD say that every
>     defence system
>     >     was
>     >     >   pointing outwards towards an external threat. What forms of
>     >     external threat is
>     >     >   there? Well, many speak of missiles. Missiles have to be
>     >     lauched from
>     >     >   somewhere. Also why was the US Navy made ready soon
>     after 9/11 was
>     >     all
>     >     >   but over? What was the Navy going to do that the
>     airforce couldn't
>     >     and
>     >     >   apparently didn't on the day? The threats, we are told
>     were purely
>     >     domestic
>     >     >   flights. The atc's, the FAA and all other agencies were
>     >     concentrating of
>     >     >   domestic flights. So NORAD sends out the F16's out to
>     sea [and
>     >     Lord knows
>     >     >   where the F15's got to] sounds very stupid, right. Do
>     you think
>     >     the pilots would
>     >     >   have been so silent if they knew they had been sent on a
>     fools'
>     >     errand?
>     >     >   >
>     >     >   > IMO F16's were not sent on a wild goose chase and the Navy
>     >     wasn't made
>     >     >   ready for a "domestic" inside job that was all but over.
>     You can
>     >     speak of
>     >     >   missiles but they had to come in from somewhere. And
>     F16's sent up
>     >     must
>     >     >   have been sent up with a purpose and that wasn't surely
>     to get
>     >     them out of the
>     >     >   way. The threat was "in your face" domestic. The
>     military are not
>     >     dumb. That
>     >     >   fits in too conveniently with the case of negligence
>     that gets the
>     >     admin off the
>     >     >   hook. You think the airforce F16's would have done a
>     "victory"
>     >     flyover at the
>     >     >   Pentagon if they had just come back from a wild goose chase.
>     >     >   >
>     >     >   > You see, it looks too obviously an inside job although
>     that is
>     >     not to say
>     >     >   assistance had to be obtained from insiders. This goes
>     to the
>     >     point and the
>     >     >   question - why if it was an purely an inside job
>     wouldn't 767's
>     >     >from their
>     >     >   graveyard in the desert have been used. If they had we
>     wouldn't be
>     >     here
>     >     >   today engaged in our search for the truth.
>     >     >   >   ----- Original Message -----
>     >     >   >   From: alexldent
>     >     >   >   To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>     >     >   >   Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:04 AM
>     >     >   >   Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique
>     from
>     >     Group: Blog
>     >     >   Post about Michael B. Green
>     >     >   >
>     >     >   >
>     >     >   >   >>> I've never been convinced of an inside job
>     although I have
>     >     an open
>     >     >   >   mind.<<<
>     >     >   >
>     >     >   >   Wha?????  If it wasn't an inside job, what were they
>     >     covering up?
>     >     >   >
>     >     >   >
>     >     >   >   --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn"
>     >     <ron_winn@>
>     >     >   wrote:
>     >     >   >   >
>     >     >   >   > Your link doesn't work.
>     >     >   >   > Unfortunately the other one does.
>     >     >   >   > Interesting statement because if two real 767's or
>     >     substitutes were
>     >     >   >   in the plan then "11" would have been a scheduled
>     flight. And
>     >     so would
>     >     >   >   "77". Or both flights would have been reported to be
>     private
>     >     charters.
>     >     >   >   >
>     >     >   >   > Something flew into the north tower and to hastily
>     cover up
>     >     what it
>     >     >   >   was flight "11" was used.
>     >     >   >   >
>     >     >   >   > I've never been convinced of an inside job
>     although I have
>     >     an open
>     >     >   >   mind. So far there is enough to support a hasty
>     cover up. The
>     >     Pentagon
>     >     >   >   attack being the most speedily concocted one, I believe.
>     >     Although 93
>     >     >   >   is running a close second.
>     >     >   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
>     >     >   >   >   From: Bill Giltner
>     >     >   >   >   To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>     >     >   >   >   Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:19 PM
>     >     >   >   >   Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Request for Critique
>     from
>     >     Group: Blog
>     >     >   >   Post about Michael B. Green
>     >     >   >   >
>     >     >   >   >
>     >     >   >   >   Check out my blog post here:
>     >     >   >   >
>     >     >   >   >
>     >     >   > 
>     http://bgtruth.blogspot.com/2006/02/we-believe-that-senior-
>     >     >   government.HTML
>     >     >   >   >
>     >     >   >   >   Here's my main point:
>     >     >   >   >
>     >     >   >   >   Additional Commentary by this Blogger:
>     >     >   >   >
>     >     >   >   >   Where Dr. Green goes horribly wrong: (is this on
>     purpose?)
>     >     >   >   >
>     >     >   >   >   "To put matters plainly: any substitute plane
>     would be an
>     >     exact
>     >     >   >   duplicate of
>     >     >   >   >   AA11 or UA175. To do anything else would be inviting
>     >     disaster. "
>     >     >   >   >
>     >     >   >   > 
>     http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/loose_change.html
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