Discussion about 09/11/2001: 02/12/06

Sunday, February 12, 2006

[september_eleven_vreeland] Digest Number 1289

There are 4 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. The Pipeline To War
From: "norgesen" <norgeson@hotmail.com>
2. Why You Should Oppose the USDA's Mandatory Property and Animal Surveillance Program
From: "norgesen" <norgeson@hotmail.com>
3. [Surveillance] The New Security: Cameras That Never Forget Your Face
From: "norgesen" <norgeson@hotmail.com>
4. Flash Mobs: an experiment in social networking (history)
From: "norgesen" <norgeson@hotmail.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:07:06 -0500
From: "norgesen" <norgeson@hotmail.com>
Subject: The Pipeline To War

www.barrychamish.com

THE PIPELINE TO WAR by Barry Chamish

Imagine a dozen cartoons serving the same purpose as Pearl Harbor or Sarajevo, being the final straw that led the planet into world war. Now imagine the cartoons were a staged event, designed purposely to drag us into unimaginable violence. If that is the case, then those who foisted the plot on an unsuspecting world, would be guilty of super-mass-murder.
And what if the latest candidate for the Attila the Hun award goes to Daniel Pipes? That is precisely what is being claimed throughout the world wide web at this moment. Though you will not be happy with the sources and sites, read them seriously, no matter how much you've been trained to believe they must be lying.
The world is upside down. Israel's highest-level "friends and allies" are selling us down the river. And our "enemies" may yet become our allies when they realize that Israelis and Jews have been had.
I personally, am no defender of Islam. I consider it a culture of immense repression. I do, however, believe their sensitivities are being exploited with the goal of creating a world war. In this war, like the last, Jews will be on the front line and will be the biggest losers of all.
I have long proved that the Council On Foreign Relations (CFR) is intent on getting the war started. To do so, fear and resentment against Islam must be spread persuasively. For that purpose, they have chosen a leading member, Daniel Pipes.
Too many Jews have fallen for the enemy of my enemy line and believe by fomenting anti-Arab attacks that Daniel Pipes is their ally. In fact, his work has nothing whatsoever to do with defending Israel and a lot to do with involving her in the first line of a world war.
Pipes is not a "radical" advocate of Israel as his critics believe. He is, in fact, the worst kind of enemy of the Jewish state. It is about time that Israelis and her critics figured out the real game plan.
And Pipes, sadly, has a few allies working with him to incite Arabs into a frenzy through any means of deceit and deception. The pathetic deeds of his little Israeli adjunct are found at the end of this article.
Now you decide if, in this vast world, Pipes' direct ties to the Danish editor who first published the cartoons, are mere coincidence:

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58
Cartoon Madness is an NWO Plot

By Fintan Dunne, BreakForNews.com 7th February, 2006

There is evidence of deliberately inflammatory publication by European
newspapers, and a campaign to inflame Muslims --as well as a deception
operation to downplay the links between the Danish editor who first
published the cartoons and leading Neoconservative Daniel Pipes.

And now here comes Neocon guru Daniel Pipes, weighing into the 'toon madness,
to identifying it with the Clash of Civilizations ideaology he professes not to
personally espouse. It's now-or-never, "no compromise" language:

Quote:
Stand With Denmark in Cartoon Dispute
by Daniel Pipes Feb 07, 2006
The key issue at stake in the battle over the twelve Danish cartoons of the Muslim prophet Muhammad is this: will the West stand up for its customs and mores, including freedom of speech, or will Muslims impose their way of life on the West? Ultimately, there is no compromise; Westerners will either retain their civilization, including the right to insult and blaspheme, or not.
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=12215
You get the spin, don't you? Europe stands with the Danes. So come time
to vote on the EU Constitution the Danes must stand with Europe. Slick.
Even as he takes this stand, Pipes is carefully covering his back against
journalists uncovering the link between him and Flemming Rose, the
Danish magazine's cultural editor:
Quote:
(Our Emphasis)
My role in the Danish cartoon affair
Posted by Daniel Pipes on Feb. 6, 2006
There's a conspiracy theory developing about myself and Flemming Rose, the Jyllands-Posten cultural editor who published the famous twelve cartoons of the Muslim prophet. I'll begin with the conspiracy theory (but without providing links or even quotes, as I don't want to send readers to these crackpot websites), and then provide the facts.
The conspiracy theory: Rose came to Philadelphia in October 2004 to see me and we developed a close bond. Then, as a result of this visit, Rose decided to publish the cartoons.
The facts: Rose visited me in my office on October 25, 2004, when he interviewed me for a feature piece on me that he published on October 29 in Jyllands-Posten. The resulting article, "Truslen fra islamismen," can be found on my website, as can a translation of it into English, "The Threat of Islamism." It was a standard interview in which Rose inquired about my views on a variety of questions pertaining to radical Islam. It contains, for example, my signature statement, translated into Danish: "Hvis militant islam er problemet, så må modsætningen, moderat islam, være løsningen." Flemming Rose and I have not written, spoken, or seen each other since that one meeting. I had nothing to do with the decision to commission or publish the cartoons eleven months later and only learned of their existence from press coverage of them. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/166
That's called getting your denial in first --even before any mainstream
media get hold of this angle. Isn't it sooooo fortunate that someone
has written a "conspiracy theory" article on this very sensitive issue, and
published it on what Pipes ironically calls "crackpot websites."
So, when/if any journalist approaches Pipes on this issue, he can laugh it
off as "old news" and "crackpot conspiracy theory." Which is a vitally
convenient smokescreen --because there is a clear connection and a
commonality of interests between Pipes and the Danish editor.
In the BreakForNews.com Forum, poster CaptainW draws another link
--this time to the Bildebergers:
Quote:
What is not being mentioned in the Media is that the Editor of the Danish Paper has links to both US Neocons & The Bilderbergers...
MERETE ELDRUP, managing director of company that published the cartoons (JP/Politikens Hus) is married to ANDERS ELDRUP, who has attended the last FIVE Bilderberg meetings. Link
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=53
Coincidentally Pipes has just decided to drag up all his best conspiracy
material in a new "best of" revisiting of the issue on Feb 2nd:
Quote:
Bibliography - Conspiracy Theories
Posted by Daniel Pipes on February 2, 2006
With the conspiracist mindset seemingly on the perpetual rise these years, I thought it useful to gather my various writings on this topic in a single place, to be updated as needed. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/575
And who had so conveniently provided Pipes with this smokescreen?
We warned you about this guy:
Quote:
Cartoons are a purposeful provocation
American Free Press
Rose traveled to Philadelphia in October 2004 to visit Daniel Pipes, the Neo-Con ideologue who says the only path to Middle East peace will come through a total Israeli military victory. Rose then penned a positive article about Pipes, who compares "militant Islam" with fascism and communism.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m20341&l=i&size=1&hd=0
http://www.rense.com/general69/moh.htm

The editor of Jyllands Posten who ordered the publication of the cartoons is Flemming Rose, who has extensive connections to Daniel Pipes, another neocon fascist madman who runs Campus Watch, a neo-McCarthyite witch-hunting organization which vilifies American professors who criticize Israel or show sympathy for the Palestinians. President Bush wanted to name Daniel Pipes to the board of the US Institute of Peace, a government-funded arm of the State Department which organizes conferences and publishes books. When the raving extremist Pipes turned out to be too widely discredited to obtain Senate confirmation for this post, Bush forced his nomination through with a summer 2003 recess appointment to a temporary term at USIP without Senate approval. Daniel Pipes is the nepotist son of Richard Pipes, a Sovietologist who was a leading figure in George H.W. Bush's 1976 Team B, the incubator of today's neocon clique. At the time of his recess appointment, Daniel Pipes was accused by the very moderate Arab-American Institute of "hatred and bigotry" in the context of his "bizarre obsession with all things Arab and Muslim." (http://www.aaiusa.org/pr/release08-14-03.htm) This is the sick, racist point of view embraced by Jyllands Posten.
Flemming Rose provided details of his conversation with Daniel Pipes in a later article. They talked about the need to mobilize Europe for the war of civilizations against the Moslem world. Rose wrote: "Pipes is surprised that there isn't greater alarm in Europe over the challenge that Islam represents thanks to falling rates of fertility and a weakened sense for its own history and culture." (Flemming Rose, "The Threat from Islamism, Jyllands-Posten, October 29, 2004)

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How long have I warned that when the war comes to Israel's "settlers," it will be vicious, cruel and fought largely by anti-semitic troops imported into the country for the purpose of inflicting the kind of violence any moral Jew would find too appalling to enact?

Here is today's report about Amona last Wednesday:

One girl was picked up by a policeman and held up high against a wall, while the other policeman shoved his club up her vagina.

"How do I know it is true?" the young man telling the story echoed his mother's question. [I told her that I needed to know how the stories she told me yesterday were true, what the sources were.]

"Because my friend just came from her house. The girl is hysterical. She has locked herself in her bedroom. She won't come out, she's screaming and wailing, her family is hysterical, their friends can't find a way to comfort them, can't get her to come out or to talk to anybody. She's screaming and won't come out.

Another girl was grabbed by two riot policemen who were shoving her into a paddywagon. One held her flat on her back at the edge of the paddywagon and held her legs spread open, and the other policeman rammed his club up her vagina so hard and so far that the whole club was inside of her, up to his fist.
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2 boys lost an eye --
1 is being flown to huz'laretz to try to save his eye. I'm not sure if he is one of the 2, or a 3rd boy.
4 girls have no womb anymore
40 serious head injuries
20 boys whose testicles were crushed so badly that they don't know if they can save them.
3 of those 20 for sure are permanently ruined, they will never be able to father children.

Following are two reports confirming the use of foreign troops. The first is from former Prisoner of Zion, Ida Nudel.

Barry, shalom!
Yesterday, Russian language's TV by name RTVi in its Saturday's evening program
At 21.00. show an interview with a young man by name Eliahu Levin.
Mr. Levin was standing on a roof of one of houses in Amona. When people of the army and police came up to clean the roof and began pushing and attacking those who stayed there, among them Levin noted one looking as Russian. Levin told him in Russian language:"Brother, we should be on the same side",
The man in Israeli uniform answered in a proper Russian: "I am not your brother, jidovsky morda (in slang - face)
Nobody had an identification tags on the uniform.
The station RTVi has internet site
HYPERLINK "http://www.RTVi"

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Just yesterday I read that the police who took part in the events in Amona, were not Jewish but Arab, Druze and non-Jewish Russians..."

I read it too. People were reading the name tags on the police uniforms and a lot of the names were Arab and Russian.


Let us now look at the Council On Foreign Relations and its members' latest economic and diplomatic plots, all aimed at strengthening Israel's enemies and embroiling the nation in a war it will tragically lose.

http://www.geocities.com/benribqqq/cfr2005roster.html

February 10th, 2006
At a time when the Foreign Minister of Israel condemns the Russian government for inviting Hamas to Moscow, the Israeli government will not renounce the promise of Mr. Stanley Fisher,the governor of Israel, to provide funds for a Hamas-led Palestinian government.
Please note:
http://www.nfc.co.il/NewsPrintVersion.asp?docId=93339&subjectID=1

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1138622562807&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
Quartet envoy James Wolfensohn is scheduled to go to the Persian Gulf later in the week to raise funds for the financially strapped Palestinian Authority, amid concern in some western capitals that if the money is not raised, Iran may step in and fund the PA to get a strong foothold in Gaza.
Wolfensohn is scheduled to come to Israel before going to the Persian Gulf, to discuss the critical Palestinian financial situation with both Israel and Palestinian officials.

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ACTING PM OLMERT WILL TOMORROW (WED), 8.2.06, AT 13:30, AT IND.,
TRADE & EMPLOY. MIN., ATTEND CEREMONY MARKING TRANSFER OF DISCOUNT BANK
OWNERSHIP TO CHARLES BRONFMAN GROUP.

Which brings us to the Bronfmans' organization, the World Jewish Congress. On Feb. 1, thanks to the courageous efforts of longtime reader Isi Leibler, Israel Singer, the WJC's former Chairman of the Board, was found culpable, by the NY State Attorney General, of transferring $1.2 million of WJC funds into his own pocket. He was banned from all financial duties in the organization.
Instead, Edgar Bronfman (CFR) immediately appointed him head of the new WJC Policy council, which according to the Jerusalem Post, 2/2/06 includes Vatican agent Shimon Peres and former German foreign minister Joschka Fischer. The following is Singer's first assignment:

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=59824
World Jewish Congress' Israel Singer Meets Senior Vatican Officials in Rome; Joint Initiative for Talks With Muslim World Discussed

VATICAN CITY, Jan. 26 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Israel Singer, the Chairman of the Policy Council of the World Jewish Congress, has held talks in Rome with senior Vatican officials. He met (for the first time) with Archbishop Leonardo Sandri, Substitute for General Affairs at the Secretariat of State of the Holy See, and Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo, Secretary for Relations with States (foreign minister). Singer also met with Cardinal Kasper, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity; and Archbishop Michael L. Fitzgerald, president of the Pontifical Council for Inter-Religious Dialogue.

The main points of discussions were ways to intensify dialogue between the two religions, and specific possibilities to expand inter-faith talks to also include high level Muslim clergy. The modalities will now be discussed, both in bilateral and multilateral meetings, according to Singer.

After his meetings at the Vatican, Singer said: "It is important to enter into discussions with the third 'Son of Abraham'.

It is entirely obvious that the CFR and the Vatican are working together towards Israel's end, even if it takes a world war to get the job done. It is just as obvious that Daniel Pipes is playing a cynical role in preparing his public to fight and die in that war.

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Two useful sites:

http://jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2005/05/sabbateans-doenmeh-and-frankists.html#comments
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/13760721.htm

My new DVD, ZION FIRST - THE VATICAN'S NEW CRUSADE FOR ISRAEL is now being received by the first people to order. Reaction is wonderful:

Dear Barry
I just loved the DVD that you sent to us and will certainly pass it around.
First we are going to hold a meeting with those that are in our group.
There are about 149 people in our group ( JPS ) and we are going to play this at our house with refreshments for all to see and hear.

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Dear Barry,
It it such a great honor and pleasure to "meet" you on video! I do hope to meet you face to face someday soon- with the help of God.
I am humbled by the breadth and depth of your knowledge, passion and, yes, godliness.
You are warm, funny, likeable, authoritative and highly respectable. And you do Israel's God and Israel proud. God bless you.

Some DVD players had trouble reading the disc, and I immediately manufactured a CD ROM replacement for such cases. Thus, you may now order either a CD Rom or DVD of ZION FIRST:

The DVD or CD ROM is available at chamish@netvision.net.il
are my English books; Shabtai Tzvi, Labor Zionism And The Holocaust; Save Israel!; Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin; Israel Betrayed; The Last Days of Israel;

Please send payment, either before or after receipt of the DVD to:

Barry Chamish
POB 1682
Reut 71908 Israel

$20 Am. including postage. NIS 50 for Israelis.

Available at chamish@netvision.net.il
are my English books; Shabtai Tzvi, Labor Zionism And The Holocaust; Save Israel!; Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin; Israel Betrayed; The Last Days of Israel;

Now imagine a professor who fabricates e-mail addresses, websites, letters and user names to spread Pipes' slanders in Israel. Imagine a professor who boasts about stealing his university's e-mail list. Soak in the lies and never even try to justify the immorality of the deceit no matter who it was aimed against:

http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/authors.php?auid=2095
Plaut's spoofing and spamming activities
Messages posted on 13 April 2004 to the ALEF electronic discussion forum (which is based at the University of Haifa) seem to indicate something about Plaut's mentality. These messages, which were posted to ALEF by somebody else and which seem to report on an email conversation that Plaut had with someone who was banned from the ALEF forum for excessive spamming, seem to indicate that Plaut boasted about stealing the ALEF membership list so that messages could be sent to ALEF members without being passed through the ALEF system. Specifically, Plaut seems to have written the following. The typographical errors appeared in the original:
I stoll their membership list. If you want to sen dthings to the whole list,
use any email and send to: (via BCC so they do not know what you are doing):
..
Put the alef address in the header and write (alef) before
subject and they will think it is coming thru their list!
He also seemed to be connected with somebody called Rocky who, pretending to be a pro-Zionism Palestinian living in the West Bank, used the pseudonym "Yusuf" to plague the ALEF list with racist emails until he was excluded from the forum. Look at Rocky's description to see how Rocky finally made a mistake which spilled the beans.

http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/authors.php?auid=5008
Rocky
Rocky, apparently a friend of Steven Plaut (certainly a fellow conspirator), is a Zionist idiot who harassed the ALEF electronic discussion forum for a period during the Autumn of 2004.
Rocky masqueraded as a pro-Zionist Palestinian Arab living in the West Bank, using the pseudonyms "Yusuf Abdullah" and "Yusuf Chouri" for this invented persona.
Unfortunately for himself and for Plaut, Rocky screwed up, as he confesses in the first email quoted below, which he sent to Plaut but which he accidentally copied to all the people named in the cc (carbon-copy distribution) list for the message. One of the recipients, Yael Korin, copied it to the ALEF forum. Rocky must have been very het up when he sent this email, because, when sending it, he repeated the same error that he admits in the email -- that is, he copied what was intended to be a private conspiratorial message to many of the people who were the intended victims of his conspiracy.
Incidentally, Rocky's repeated use of the acronym "BBC" below is incorrect -- it should be "BCC" or "bcc" (blind carbon-copy distribution). Coming on top of the fact that his attempted scam was based on the use of bcc distribution, Rocky's not knowing the correct name for the feature is is just one more indication of the fact that he is a schmuck. Dr. Plaut really should choose his fellow conspirators more carefully.
The emphasis on blind carbon-copy (bcc) is especially interesting because it is reminiscent of an instruction that Plaut had given a few months earlier: in April 2004, Plaut had boasted that he had stolen the ALEF emailing list and said that the best way to fool ALEF subscribers into believing that they were receiving messages from the ALEF server was to use bcc when sending out mass-mailings -- see the biographical entry for Plaut.
Anyhow, here is the email in which Rocky confesses his mistake to Steven Plaut. The typographical errors appeared in the original:
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:47:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Yusuf Jones
Subject: Ohhhh, Nooooooo
To: Steven_Plaut@yahoo.com
Cc: tikva20@zahav.net.il, tiyaron@hazorea.org.il, trn1@zahav.net.il,
tuviab@013.net, tuviab@013.net.il, tzfati@cc.huji.ac.il,
uridavis@actcom.co.il, urih@babel.ling.upenn.edu,
weltmann@techunix.technion.ac.il, wokoeck@post.tau.ac.il,
wollin@netvision.net.il, yamitay@gvulot.org.il,
ye_harel@netvision.net.il, ykorin@ucla.edu, yossida@oumail.openu.ac.il,
zaid@pioneersofchange.net, zalman.amit@concordia.ca, zapata@xs4all.nl,
ziegler@techunix.technion.ac.il, zviwir@swipnet.se,
a_barzilai@haaretz.co.il, ag@omsoft.com, agora@algonet.se,
ahfiras@swissonline.ch, ariehnyc@prodigy.net
X-Probable-Spam: no
X-Spam-Hits: 0.986
X-Scanned-By: smtp.ucla.edu

Steven,

It just happened. I may have ****ed up royally. I just sent out my
first batch of "[ALEF] Get that monkey off my back" emails. My first
attempts at sending them as BBC all failed. I got the message "There
was a problem. Your BBC contains too many addresses." In the past I
was able to have up to 25 BBCs per each mailing. SO I reducedc it to
20... then 15... then a dozen and still got the error message. So I
transferred the addresses from BBC to CC and was able to send off all
25 of them.

Then it hit me! I forgot to remove YOUR name from the list so your
email went out with those first 25. I'm usually very careful about
things like that which is why I generally only use BBC. But my mind
is pre-occupied with so many other things that need to be done that I
got careless.

I havonly sent out those first 25 emails. I won't send out the
remainder. I hope this will not cause a problem.

Sorry, Rocky
Apparently, Rocky's above email was triggered by the mistake that he had made, a few minutes earlier, when he sent the following email. Again, the typographical errors appeared in the original:
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:41:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Yusuf Jones
Subject: [ALEF] Get That Monkey Off My Back!
To: steven_Plaut@yahoo.com
Cc: tikva20@zahav.net.il, tiyaron@hazorea.org.il, trn1@zahav.net.il,
tuviab@013.net, tuviab@013.net.il, tzfati@cc.huji.ac.il,
uridavis@actcom.co.il, urih@babel.ling.upenn.edu,
weltmann@techunix.technion.ac.il, wokoeck@post.tau.ac.il,
wollin@netvision.net.il, yamitay@gvulot.org.il,
ye_harel@netvision.net.il, ykorin@ucla.edu, yossida@oumail.openu.ac.il,
zaid@pioneersofchange.net, zalman.amit@concordia.ca, zapata@xs4all.nl,
ziegler@techunix.technion.ac.il, zviwir@swipnet.se,
a_barzilai@haaretz.co.il, ag@omsoft.com, agora@algonet.se,
ahfiras@swissonline.ch, ariehnyc@prodigy.net
X-Probable-Spam: no
X-Spam-Hits: 1.051
X-Spam-Score: *
X-Scanned-By: smtp.ucla.edu

I strongly suspect that my Hotmail account was sabotaged by Ran
HaCohen. You know. The Ran HaCohen who endorses Hizbollah attacks on
Northern Israel. The help prevent this from
happening again, the good people at Yahoo have installed a security
wall (actually, it's an
electronic fence) around my new account. They agree that an
Israel-supporting Arab's voice
is a terrible thing to waste.

Re: Arab Fiddle While Nablus Burns"

I know there's plenty of accusatory middle fingers pointed at the IDF
for making that Arab
play "Chopsticks" on his fiddle. From what I can see, they only
wanted to be sure there
were no rocket launchers, small nuclear devices or perhaps a half
dozen Arab midgets with
rocks inside his case. This was a defensive move, pure and simple.
But the pro-Arab
propagandists and certain Jewish intellectual professors connected
the dots and saw a
similarity between Jews made to play at death camps.

This was not the case at that checkpoint. If you were to look closely
at photos, you'd see
quite clearly that there was a hat [with "Go Red Socks" on it] at
this Arab's dusty sandals
and inside that hat was quite a significant collection of Israeli
sheckels. The man was not
there being humiliated. He was there trying to make a few bucks! What
next? Perhaps Ran
HaCohen at the end of a monkey chain playing Richard Wagner tunes?

Peace. Shalom. Salam.

Yusuf, your token Arab who adores Israel.
The email just quoted was triggered by the fact that Ran HaCohen had complained to Microsoft about the use of a hotmail account, , to send the racist email quoted below to the ALEF forum. Microsoft disabled that account on 8 December 2004, because it violated the Hotmail Terms of Use. This upset Rocky, leading to the sequence of emails from Rocky to Plaut quoted above.
Two days before Rocky sent the sequence of emails quoted above, he had sent the following piece to his list of ALEF subscribers. This email, which was sent by Rocky using the pseudonym "Yusuf Abdullah", was prompted by the fact that, after repeated violations, his previous "Yusuf Chouri" persona had been excluded from the ALEF forum.
From: "Yusuf Abdullah"
To: dseps@yahoo.com
Subject: [ALEF] Arabs 4 Israel .. Including Me
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:40:50 -0500

I nearly s**t out my Arab pancreas when I was sent a link to this page!
"Arabs for Israel"
http://www.arabsforisrael.com/pages/1/

I hate to say this but these guys make most of the [ALEF] crew look like [PFLP] supporters.

Hey, don't take this remark personally for I truly wish to have my [ALEF] membership
re-established [ASAP]. I ask that you please put in a few good words for me.

Peace. Shalom. Salam,
Yusuf
A few days earlier, Rocky, still using his earlier "Yusuf Chouri" persona, had sent the following email to Avraham Oz, moderator of the ALEF forum, complaining abut the fact that, finally, "Yusuf" had been excluded from the forum, after ignoring repeated requests to abide by the rules of the forum. Again, the typographical errors appeared in the original:
From: "yusuf chouri"
Date: 03:03:59 GMT+02:00 2 =E3=F6=EE=E1=F8 2004
To: alef@list.haifa.ac.il
Subject: [ALEF] "How Dare You!"

How dare ALEF terminate my membership as a free Arab man and scholar
and deny me the right to post commentary onto the ALEF site!

Do you not like what a free-thinking, educated Arab has to say? Must
I agree and march lockstep with your anti-Zionist views? Can I not
admire brave Jews who struggle daily against both external
treats and threats by its very own citizens?

Yesterday, a certain Yael Korin wrote the following message to ALEF
members. "I do believe that this address [yusef_chouri@hotmail.com]
belong to a provocateur, that has taken up a middle eastern sounding
name, so they could pretend to be someone they are not."

First of all, I use the name, Yusuf Chouri, to keep my true identity
secret for I live in what you call the "occupied territories" and
would certainly be branded as a collaborator. You see, I see it
differently than my fellow Palestinians. I see Arab murderers and
thieves as occupying=A0your land. Further, were it not for Arab thugs,
my famil;y and I would be fully employed and living more comfortably
than we are now under Fatah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas.

Secondly, who does Yael Korin think she is lecturing me about
pretending to be someone I are not? I have attached a photo of Yael
Korin pretending to be an Arab when, in fact, she was born a Jew!
She even wrapped on a kaffiya! And you think I am the one with a problem!

You think I am the one with a sick, dual personality. You think I am
the enemy?

There are others among you that deserve to be investigated. People
like that flunky Marxist, anti-Semite, anti-Zionist professor Ran
Greenstein at some backwater South African university. Now that
he's abandoned Israel, moved thousands of miles away and married a
shvastse, does he have the right to cast shame on Israel?
Shouldn't he more concerned about trying not to be eaten by
the local cannibals? And, speaking of local cannibals, do any of his students
know how to read? Why is he allowed to spew hatred against Israel while
I cannot spew love and admiration for the Israeli people?
What, may I ask, is ALEF's purpose? To make Israel safer or
to denegrate her at every turn?

In conclusion, I ask that you reinstate me onto your ALEF
group. I also appeal directly to Avraham "Oz", the wizard
who created the ALEF group. Without his personal efforts to
bring together Jews for Jihad, how would the world
understand why more Jews are in therapy than any other
group on the face of the earth. Continuing along this line
of thought, I cannot help wonder if they make explosive
belts in his size.

I look forward to my re-instatement into ALEF. A letter of
apology would be appreciated but not expected.

Peace. Shalom. Salam.
Yusuf Chouri
The email above, which reeks of racism, is a good example of the kind of stuff that Rocky, using the pseudonym "Yusuf Chouri", had been previously sending to the ALEF forum and for which he had been removed from the forum. Its use of the word "shvastse" (presumably a typo for "shvartse", Yiddisch for "black") is just yet another giveaway of that fact that, while he pretends to be a Palestinian Arab, he is basically someone whose English is laced with Yiddisch -- he would appear to be a Jewish American.

Now try and understand that the Jewish Press of Brooklyn and Americans For A Safe Israel have been taken over by these liars, crooks and deceivers:

[http://www.jewishpress.com/page.do/22/About_The_Jewish_Press.html]

At The Jewish Press website you have a Search the Site button.

Yours Truly did some searches, typing in the names of various of your editors and columnists, including every person mentioned under "About the Jewish Press" to see how many references there were to each person on The Jewish Press website.

Here are the results of those searches:

#1 Jason Maoz (Senior Editor) 250

#2 Steven Plaut 117

#3 Louis Rene Beres 113

#4 Joseph Schick 40

#5 Arnold Fine 35

#6 Naomi Mauer 34
(Naomi Mauer 20/Naomi Klass Mauer 14)

Surprise! Surprise! The Jewish Press website looks like a Jason Maoz and Steven Plaut newsletter.

Kudos To Plaut
I visit The Jewish Press's online edition virtually every day and I refer hundreds of people to your site and your excellent articles. I maintain a large e-mail list of people with interest in Israel.
Recently I sent around Steven Plaut's "Israel's Plague of Conspiracism" (front-page essay, Jan. 27) and got dozens of e-mails commending the article, Professor Plaut, and The Jewish Press for running it.
Controversy seems epidemic among Israel's supporters and conspiracy theorists are dangerous because they obfuscate our real goals. Steven Plaut and Daniel Pipes perform a valuable service to our cause. Barry Chamish and his acolytes do serious damage.
I am one of the contributing editors of Outpost, the monthly publication of Americans for a Safe Israel, and a member of the executive committee of the organization.

Ruth King
(Via E-Mail)

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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:11:43 -0500
From: "norgesen" <norgeson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Why You Should Oppose the USDA's Mandatory Property and Animal Surveillance Program

There is startlingly little time, since this is all supposed to be mandatory by 2008.

There are still going to be some who have drunk so much of the kool aid that they will excuse it, but surely most will be appalled.

Why You Should Oppose the USDA's Mandatory Property and Animal Surveillance Program
by herdsire
Sun Oct 16, 2005 at 10:12:23 PM PDT
(reprint of article by Mary Zanoni, Ph.D., contact info at the end)

Poultry fanciers and keepers of small flocks are facing a grave threat from a proposed government intrusion into their innocent choice of pastimes and way of life.
For several years, the USDA has been working with the largest-scale animal industry organizations (for example, the National Pork Producers, Monsanto Company, and Cargill Meat) to develop a mandatory "National Animal Identification System" ("NAIS").

However, most small scale livestock producers, people who raise animals for their own food, and people who keep horses or livestock as companion animals do not know about the USDA's plans.

The NAIS will drive small producers out of the market, will make people abandon raising animals for their own food, will invade Americans' personal privacy to a degree never before tolerated, will violate the religious freedom of Americans whose beliefs make it impossible for them to comply, and will erase the last vestiges of animal welfare from the production of animal foods.

The Problem

On April 25, 2005, the USDA released "Draft Program Standards" ("St.") and a "Draft Strategic Plan" ("Plan") concerning the NAIS. If you think the description below sounds too bizarre to be true, please go here , read the Standards and Plan, and check the citations.
By January 1, 2008, the NAIS will be mandatory. (Plan, pp. 2, 10, 17.)

Every person who owns even one horse, cow, pig, chicken, sheep, pigeon, or virtually any livestock animal, will be forced to register their home, including owner's name, address, and telephone number, and keyed to Global Positioning System coordinates for satellite monitoring, in a giant federal database under a 7-digit "premises ID number." (St., pp. 3-4, 10-12; Plan, p. 5.)

Every animal will have to be assigned a 15-digit ID number, also to be kept in a giant federal database. The form of ID will most likely be a tag or microchip containing a Radio Frequency Identification Device, designed to be read from a distance. (Plan, p. 10; St., pp. 6, 12, 20, 27-28.)

The plan may also include collecting the DNA of every animal and/or a retinal scan of every animal. (Plan, p.13.)

The owner will be required to report: the birthdate of an animal, the application of every animal's ID tag, every time an animal leaves or enters the property, every time an animal loses a tag, every time a tag is replaced, the slaughter or death of an animal, or if any animal is missing. Such events must be reported within 24 hours. (St., pp. 12-13, 17-21.)

Third parties, such as veterinarians, will be required to report "sightings" of animals. (St., p. 25.) In other words, if you call a vet to your property to treat your horse, cow, or any other animal, and the vet finds any animal without the mandatory 15-digit computer-readable ID, the vet may be required to report you.

If you do not comply, the USDA will exercise "enforcement" against you. (St., p. 7; Plan, p. 17.) The USDA has not yet specified the nature of "enforcement," but presumably it will include imposing fines and/or seizing your animals.
There are no exceptions -- under the USDA plan, you will be forced to register and report even if you raise animals only for your own food or keep horses for draft or for transportation.

The Negative Effects

Eradication of Small Farms - People with just a few meat animals or 40-cow dairies are already living on the edge financially. The USDA plan will force many of them to give up farming.

Loss of the True Security of Organic and Local Foods - The NAIS is touted by the USDA and agricorporations as a way to make our food supply "secure" against diseases or terrorism. However, most people instinctively understand that real food security comes from raising food yourself or buying from a local farmer you actually know. The USDA plan will only kill off more local sources of production and further promote the giant industrial methods which cause many food safety and disease problems.

Extreme Damage to Personal Privacy - Legally, livestock animals are a form of personal property. It is unprecedented for the United States government to conduct large-scale computer-aided surveillance of its citizens simply because they own a common type of property. (The only exceptions are registration of motor vehicles and guns, due to their clear inherent dangers - but they are registered at the state level, not by the federal government.) The NAIS would actually subject the owner of a chicken to far more surveillance than the owner of a gun. Surveillance of small-scale livestock owners is like the government subjecting people to surveillance for owning a couch, a TV, a lawnmower.

What about non-livestock animals?

Will the government next want to register all cats, dogs, and parakeets, and demand the global positioning coordinates of their owners' houses and apartments?

Insult to Animal Welfare - The NAIS is the ultimate objectification of higher, sensitive living creatures, treating individual animals as if they were cans of peas with a bar code. Many people who raise their own animals or buy from small, local producers do so because they are very troubled by industrial-scale production of chickens, cattle, and pigs. These people will be forced either to sacrifice their personal privacy to government surveillance, or to stop raising their own food by humane standards.

Burden on Religious Freedom - Many adherents of plain (and other) faiths raise their own food animals and use animals in farming and transportation because their beliefs require them to live this way. Such people obviously cannot comply with the USDA's computerized, technology-dependent system. The NAIS will force these people to violate their religious beliefs.

What You Can Do

Small-scale keepers of poultry and other livestock can take action to create an effective movement in opposition to the USDA/agricorporate plan. First, small-scale livestock owners should not participate in any so-called "voluntary" state or federal program to register farms or animals. The USDA is using farmers' supposed willingness to enter a "voluntary" program as a justification for making the program mandatory. (See Plan, "Executive Summary" and pp. 7-8.)

Small farmers and livestock owners can also help inform and organize others. The USDA presently does not plan to finalize its rules for mandatory ID until the summer of 2006. There is still time to oppose this plan.
Several farmers and other concerned citizens have joined together to form FARM for LIFETM, a public-interest organization to support the rights of small and subsistence farmers and consumers of organic, natural, and local foods. FARM for LIFE's first project is to stop the USDA plan for mandatory animal ID.

The organization will publish a newsletter three times a year (first publication scheduled for November 1, 2005), to inform citizens of developments concerning animal ID and other issues vital to the small farming and natural/organic food communities. Newsletter subscribers will also be sent information at appropriate times on how to contact lawmakers and the USDA to oppose animal ID. In addition, FARM for LIFETM will coordinate with other existing interest groups to mount an effective campaign against animal ID.
Please help STOP animal ID and support FARM for LIFETby subscribing to the newsletter: $25 Individual Subscription (1 year), $40 Institutional Subscription (1 year), Please help with an additional donation in any amount. Make your check payable to "Farm for Life" and mail to: Farm for Life, PO Box 501, Canton, New York 13617.
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I have reprinted this article by:

Mary Zanoni, Ph.D. (Cornell), J.D. (Yale), Executive Director of Farm for LifeTM
P.O. Box 501, Canton, New York 13617
Email: mlz@slic.com

Tags: USDA, NAIS, biodiversity, monsanto, privacy, disease control (all tags)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/17/01223/213

this is HUGE

Keep a chicken, go to jail?

This hits anyone who intends to keep livestock for reasons of self-sufficiency, or use horses instead of tractors after peak oil when energy prices take off.

It's a direct assault on small-scale farming, organic agriculture, and any departure from corporate-scale factory farming.

You can be sure this will be touted as a way of dealing with avian flu and mad cow disease. But it's BS in the worst way; there are better ways to deal with both.

This needs to be front-page news, now!

This will = extinction of livestock

In studies of the factory-type varieties of turkeys, raised in farm-yard conditions, they all died, unable to survive outdoor, un-medicated conditions. This law will lead to the end of most, if not all, non-agribusiness breeds of poultry, beef, pork etc., a narrowing of the gene pool, and eventual death from some future 'avian flu'.

I believe the EU has already outlawed growing non-patented vegetable varieties, if you can believe it. This takes 'global hegemony' to a whole new level. The ultimate 'dominionism.'

Dominique Guillet and Association Kokopelli

My original source for my assertion is not online. It is an article in 'Seed Savers Exchange 2004 Harvest Edition' titled 'Kokopelli in Europe', a transcript of a speech by Dominique Guillet given to the 2004 annual convention of the Seed Savers Exchange of which I am a member.

"It is essential to note that everything that is eaten from the plate of a European citizen is registered in one of the National Vegetable Lists of the European Community. That is another way of saying that it is strictly against the law to grow, either for consumption or for seed production, a vegetable or cereal variety that has not been noted on one of these National Lists."

The speech gave a history of 'Terre de Semences' the organization that he formed in 1994 to sell organic heirloom seeds, and how he was put out of business by the new EU regulations. He then goes on to describe his current work with 'Association Kokopelli'.

"You do not realize that you still have so much freedom in this country [US]. You have no National List and anyone can sell or exchange or give seeds of whatever variety he wants, because there is no regulation to prevent it. In Europe each country has a National List, and you're not supposed to sell a variety of wheat, eggplant, tomato, whatever, for food or for seed if the variety is not registered on the National List."

The 'same effect' is that F1 varieties will be patented and proprietary.

This reminds me of the Monsanto 'killer gene'.

There is startlingly little time, since this is all supposed to be mandatory by 2008.

There are still going to be some who have drunk so much of the kool aid that they will excuse it, but surely most will be appalled.

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The link between aspartame and brain tumors: What the FDA never told you about artificial sweeteners

http://www.newstarget.com/z011804.html

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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:07:08 -0500
From: "norgesen" <norgeson@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Surveillance] The New Security: Cameras That Never Forget Your Face

These Cameras Don't Forget a Face
By NOAH SHACHTMAN
Published: January 25, 2006
I've got a story in today's New York Times. Here's how it starts:

Management at the Sir Francis Drake Hotel in San Francisco had been suspicious for weeks. James, a houseman on the graveyard shift was not the most productive worker, and trying to reach him on his walkie-talkie was usually a lost cause. So when James (not his real name) could not be found one summer night, his bosses went to their new video surveillance system.

The camera network - using software from 3VR Security Inc., a San Francisco company that makes surveillance technology - already knew what James looked like; facial recognition algorithms had built a profile of him over time. With a couple of mouse clicks, managers combed through hours of videotape taken that night by the hotel's 16 cameras, and found every place he had been - including the back entrance he slipped out of, three hours into his shift. He never came back to work; the next day, James became one of 10 employees dismissed from the hotel since 3VR's surveillance package was installed last June.

Until recently, the only place where an employee could have been caught that easily was in a Hollywood script. Digital spy cameras can instantly pick people out of crowds on "24." Real-world video surveillance was stuck in the VCR age, taking countless hours to sift through blurry black-and-white tapes. Stopping a problem in progress was nearly impossible, unless a guard just happened to be staring at the right video monitor.

But surveillance companies, using networks of cheap Web-connected cameras and powerful new video-analysis software, are starting to turn the Hollywood model into reality. Faces and license plates can now be spotted, in almost real time, at ports, military bases and companies. Security perimeters can be changed or strengthened with a mouse click. Feeds from hundreds of cameras can be combined into a single desktop view. And videotape that used to take hours, even days, to scour is searched in minutes.

Some experts question the effectiveness of such "intelligent video" systems, which are sold by ObjectVideo, Verint and VistaScape as well, and worry about the privacy implications. But Brian Russell, chief of the Drake's engineering and maintenance departments, is happy with the results. "People know we're watching," he said. "Word travels fast. Fear travels as well."

Click on over here to read the rest of the piece -- it's part of a big package in today's Circuits section on surveillance. Johnathan Glater writes about surfing anonymously. Katie Hafner talks about getting spooked by searches. And David Shenk takes a broad look at the erosion of privacy.

Today's story is one of a bunch I've written on video surveillance, over the years. Check out London's cracking panopticon, Chicago's spycam police force, and the Pentagon's simple plan to track everything that moves.

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002114.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/25/technology/techspecial2/25video.html?ei=5070&en=4fcc602749861565&ex=1139893200&pagewanted=all

Comments:

I like the comment, "fear spreads as well." I think this neatly sums up the modern relationship between authority and the individual. The American Experiment rested on the theory that people were equals, that they were fundamentally capable of mutually beneficial behavior, and that fear did not enter into the equation. Liberty was the absence of fear.

That's gone from us now. What is being implanted into our minds is the unfocused, amorphous dread that we are being watched, everywhere, all the time. "If you don't break the law, you have nothing to be afraid of," except, of course, fear itself. That fear, the sense that the "nail that stands up will be beaten down," will put a chill on future generations. This generation has turned its back on America. That country is receding from us, and we're living in a squiggle on a map.

Posted by: James at January 25, 2006 12:40 PM

Amen James. You hit the nail on the head (pun intended). This is EXACTLY what needs to be brought up every time we hear "if you aren't breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about."
It isn't about whether or not these cameras have the capability of capturing real criminals on film (or the digital equivalent thereof), it's about each of our rights to a certain degree of privacy, even in public places. If we are whispering, for instance, we should feel safe that our secrets are secret, and not being picked up by uber-sensitive microphones or lip reading cameras.
Or that we aren't going to be arrested for the actions of that mythical "double" with similar eyes and hair we are all rumored to have.

Posted by: Jeremy at January 26, 2006 11:09 AM

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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:38:15 -0500
From: "norgesen" <norgeson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Flash Mobs: an experiment in social networking (history)

The Short Life of Flash Mobs

Who'd have thought a single email designed to mock New York scenesters would have turned into an international craze? The founder of flash mobs talks to Stay Free! about his experiment in social networking.

[ by Francis Heaney ]

Someday, I'll be talking to my grandchildren (which is what my wife and I will call the creatures cloned from our genetic material, grown in a vat, and raised by robots) and they'll say, "Tell us again about flash mobs!" And I'll say, "You lazy kids, why don't you just read that interview I did with the guy who came up with flash mobs?" "You mean the one where you started with that tortured introduction and where it sounded like you were never going to explain what the hell flash mobs were?"

This is why I don't want children.

Anyway, a flash mob is an event where a large group of people, having received instructions in advance, converge upon a place, do something odd there, and leave peaceably within minutes. For instance, at an early flash mob in Manhattan, participants descended upon Macy's rug department and claimed to be members of a commune in Williamsburg shopping for a "love rug." Sounds amusing, yes? Enough people evidently agreed that what started out as a single forwarded email inviting people to join an "inexplicable mob" turned into a sprawling, global fad practically overnight--and then largely faded away almost as quickly as it appeared.

To find out how and why it all happened, Stay Free! talked to the fellow who sent out the first email, Bill--or, as he is often known to journalists, "Bill." -- Francis Heaney

STAY FREE!: How did you first come up with the idea for flash mobs?

BILL: Basically, it started with an email. I created an email address--themobproject@yahoo.com--and forwarded an email to myself, and then I forwarded it to about forty or fifty friends on the premise that they would think, "Oh, Bill's heard about this interesting thing."

STAY FREE!: I didn't realize it had started out as kind of a con job.

BILL: Yeah, I wanted it to appear like one of those things circulating around the internet.

STAY FREE!: If you'd just sent it from the Mob Project, they would wonder: how did they get my email address?

BILL: Exactly. The original idea was to create an email that would get forwarded around in some funny way, or that would get people to come to a show that would turn out to be something different or surprising. I eventually came up with a lazy idea, which was that the thing would just have one simple, in-your-face aspect to it--there wouldn't be any show, and that the email would be upfront about the fact that it was inviting people to do basically nothing at all.

STAY FREE!: Well, it wasn't nothing. It was inviting people to have the opportunity to confuse other people.

BILL: That's true. But the idea was that the people themselves would become the show, and that just by responding to this random email, they would, in a sense, create something.

STAY FREE!: They become the show and the audience.

BILL: Exactly. I had conceived it specifically as a New York thing. People in New York are always looking for the next big thing. They come here because they want to take part in the arts community, they want to be with other people who are doing creative stuff, and they will come out to see a reading or a concert on the basis of word-of-mouth. Partly they want to find out what everybody else is so excited about, but partly they just want to be a part of the scene. You have this in other places too, but I feel like there's something in New York that makes it kind of a city-wide pastime. Part of what I liked about this idea was that it would be very frank about the pure scenesterism of it. What is it that would make people come to the flash mob? Well, it would be the fact that if it went off as planned, lots of other people would be coming. The desire to not be left out was part of what would grow it. I didn't have all of these grandiose notions about it at the time; I mostly just thought it was funny. But I thought of it as a stunt that would satirize scenester-y gatherings.

STAY FREE!: In a lot of ways it's so much better than other scenester activities because you don't get stuck in a club for an hour and a half. You're in and out in five minutes.

BILL: True. There was something purposely cynical even about the five-to-ten minute constraint, in that I wanted the thing to be readily consumable. "Oh, I can do that, it's only ten minutes, it's right after work, and it's near a major subway line . . . . "

STAY FREE!: They were all in the midtown Manhattan area?

BILL: Some of them were downtown near Broadway-Lafayette; they were all really accessible. The first mob was going to be at Claire's Accessories at Astor Place. I used to walk by places and think: where would it be really funny if one day there just happened to be a mob of people there? And Claire's Accessories fit that description. It's just this little sleepy store, kind of a hole in the wall. So I picked that place.

STAY FREE!: And then you got ratted.

BILL: About ten minutes before the first mob, I get a call from Eugene, and he's like, "There are seven cops and a police wagon out in front of Claire's Accessories." So I get there and they're not letting anybody stand in front of the store. They made it look as if a terrorist had threatened to wage jihad against Claire's Accessories.

STAY FREE!: Which, in a way, is just as funny.

BILL: But it made me mad. The first email said "Mob #1" and at the bottom I wrote, "Await instructions for Mob #2," or something like that. But at the time, I wasn't necessarily convinced that there would ever be a Mob #2. But now I see the cops, and I'm like, "I've got to find a way to get around this, because we've got to get a future thing." So for Mob #2, I hit on the notion of meeting in pre-mob locations, and then people would come through at the last minute and hand out flyers with the mob location. That worked fine for the second mob, which was at Macy's.

STAY FREE!: It's like debugging. You run it through the first time, and you see how it can be broken, and then you make sure it can't be broken that way.

BILL: I was sad, though, because I had hoped that the thing could be run anonymously. It's not so much because I cared if people knew who had come up with the idea. The bigger issue is that I didn't want it to seem like there was a leader. The project grew when people took it on as their own and forwarded the emails; that was what made the idea work. So it was sad having to resort to the pre-mob-location, because then there had to be people who were clearly in on the planning, walking around with the flyers. If I had figured out text-messaging . . .

STAY FREE!: . . . then you could've had text messages arriving.

BILL: Yeah, but by and large, the thing worked well and, in a way, the fact that the first one got broken up by the cops helped the project as a whole, because it felt like there was something actually at stake.

Other than when we handed out the flyers, the mobs basically did become leaderless. Sometimes I wouldn't even get there in time to participate. One flash mob was at a shoe store in SoHo. The idea was that people would suddenly swamp the store and get on their cell phones and pretend to be calling their friends and talking about how awesome the shoes were. But by the time I got there, the store was completely full. The sales clerks eventually shut the doors and the rest of us were all stuck out on the sidewalk, looking in. But that's the way that it should be; I'm not really any more inside to the project than anybody else.

STAY FREE!: So eventually it took off in other cities as well?

BILL: Yeah. Wired News wrote a story about the first successful one, Mob #2, and bloggers picked it up, and the email account started getting messages, people saying, "I'm in Chicago, are you gonna do this here?" You know, "I'm in L.A.--Can I steal your idea?" I was like, "It's not really much of an idea. Go ahead!" I had imagined it as kind of a parody of New York insiderness, and I didn't anticipate the fact that it would take off other places.

STAY FREE!: But all the places you're naming are big urban areas, and certainly they have something in common with New York--that drive toward insiderness. At least in Los Angeles.

BILL: Yeah, but there's such a big creative group in New York that you can make a living just making fun of the group around you--whether you're a writer or comedian or artist. In the art world, for example, there are all of these art projects that make fun of the art world. In New York, you can sort of do that. But one of the first places was in Minneapolis, for example, at a mall. The sensibility of the participants seemed very much to be: we're here to show all you people here in the Mall of America that we're thinking on a different plane. So it was much less of a cynical in-joke on scenesterism and much more of a genuine self-expression. The New York mob was, in a certain way, about anti-expression. It was kind of like, we're all just going to show up and we're going to chant and be a big physical presence for no reason other than we think that it's funny. Whereas in other places it took on almost a "happening" kind of vibe, to express a certain kind of commonality, and to express, say, a certain opposition to corporate space. It was taken up almost entirely in a politically tinged way, even though it was never explicitly political. When it spread to other cities, there always seemed to be a sense of ,"This is a movement." Like, we know this is absurd, but by taking part we're making a statement about the right of the people to peaceably assemble wherever they want.

As it started to spread and as I saw how people were responding to it, it became clear that it meant something different to them. I might have been the only cynical guy from the beginning! I sort of became persuaded about the political relevance of the idea.

STAY FREE!: And the potential for getting a message across?

BILL: I didn't know how they were going to become genuinely political, but I could tell that everybody wanted them to, and, in a way, I became a sort of sociologist just like anybody in the media who was writing about the phenomenon. I had to ask myself, "What is it that so many people are responding to?" To a certain extent, I became an outsider almost the moment the thing took off. I kept doing them, and I kept putting them on, and I kept trying to intuit my way towards ideas for flash mobs that I thought people would find funny.

STAY FREE!: Why do you think flash mobs took off in so many other places? What need was it fulfilling?

BILL: People have been spending a lot of time in virtual communities since the internet took off, and I think people liked the flash mobs because they had an internet component, yet allowed you to see this virtual community made literal and physical.

STAY FREE!: The net made flesh?

BILL: Yeah. If, after you get a funny email and forward it along, you asked yourself, "I wonder what would happen if all the people who got this thing showed up at the same place for five minutes?" you'd want to go just to see how many people there were.

STAY FREE!: I have a theory about why it took off as a vehicle for political statement. I used to go out with someone who was much more politically active, and so I'd go to meetings, and--Christ Almighty!--those things are boring; nothing ever gets decided. The flash mob affords an opportunity for doing something and yet completely sidesteps the whole process of discussing how it's going to happen. It's just, "Here's this opportunity, and if you agree with it, you can come be in on it, and it's going to be very quick."

BILL: I think that's true. When people asked me for advice on doing a flash mob in their city, I was basically, like, "Look. It should spread around through email. The gatherings should be less than ten minutes long. And they should be absurd or funny, they shouldn't be explicitly political." But then, people still saw the absurd things as being political.

In wanting to be a part of a flash mob, you're not really expressing anything with content, you're expressing a vague feeling: "I'm unhappy with the way things are going and I want to be out there with people showing our numbers." If you went to the Iraq war protest, you would see tons of people holding signs that you disagree with. But you want to be out there with these people who on some level feel similarly...

STAY FREE!: You can't stay home because of the nutjobs.

BILL: One thing a lot of people really liked was the fact that the mobs were generally taking place in some kind of commercial space. People wanted the mob to be disruptive.

STAY FREE!: Was that the first inkling of politicizing it--a sort of anticonsumerism?

BILL: I think that was part of it. Commercial space is quasi-public space. You're welcome to come in so long as you are considering buying something.

STAY FREE!: So if you do something crazy--

BILL: Once you try to express yourself in a way that indicates that you're not interested in buying anything, you're suddenly a trespasser. And so, when you think in those terms, the idea that all these people who seem to be shoppers show up at a Toys 'R' Us and do something completely out of their minds . . .

STAY FREE!: Like worshipping a dinosaur.

BILL: Like worshipping a dinosaur--there was a big political component to that, even though the literal statement that was made didn't have one.

STAY FREE!: So flash mobs seem to have mostly quieted, although when the Republican National Convention was here, there were a lot of flash-mob-style protests.

BILL: I've seen two strains of flash mobs that still seem to be persistent. One of them is explicitly political--organizers using flash mobs as a tool for getting people together. They've been doing this First Amendment mob down near Ground Zero--

STAY FREE!: That's Reverend Billy?

BILL: I'm not sure if it's Reverend Billy himself, but somebody in his coterie has been organizing First Amendment mobs.

STAY FREE!: Yeah, they go to various locations and mill around. It looks like they're just talking on their cell phones, but if you walk around, you notice that all these people on cell phones are reciting the First Amendment, and it's sort of subliminal. Then they get louder and louder.

BILL: There are still die-hard flash-mobs-for-the-sake-of-flash-mobs movement people out there. I got an email the other day from a Polish flash mobber who sent me to a website where they're planning a global flash mob day. The idea of flash mob solidarity is fascinating to me. On the one hand, I kind of admire it, because the flash mobs for flash mobs' sake is much closer to my original idea. And yet, I conceived of the flash mobs as a very local phenomenon.

I liked it when people who did flash mobs in other cities would pick places in those cities that made a lot of sense; it would reframe a place as the site of a mob. The idea of a global flash mob does strike me as a little weird. I don't really know what flash mobs mean in other countries, especially in countries with more real public space than we have here.

STAY FREE!: What's an example of a way people reframed a space in a city?

BILL: In San Francisco, they went down into the center of the financial district, on Market Street, and twirled through the crosswalks; they took a show of absurdity to a non-absurd part of town. They also did an event where they rolled out red carpet in front of a BART station and applauded people coming off the subway. That's a funny idea anywhere, but it's even more powerful in San Francisco, because fewer people use the public transportation system there. They're more worthy of applause.

STAY FREE!: This brings us back to the idea of flash mobs as political protest. You can question whether things like this are useful as political protest, but you could say that about any political protest.

BILL: Well, sure. But take, for example, the fact that flash mobs were less than ten minutes long. You don't go and make a political statement and then wilt into the background. That doesn't really work symbolically.

STAY FREE!: True, but to some extent visibility is defined by whether something is covered by the media. And how many more journalists wrote about people buying a "love rug" than some of the political protests that have happened in New York? Groups try their damnedest to get coverage, and often whether they get coverage depends on whether writers consider it interesting.

BILL: I know--in a way, flash mobs became really a media phenomenon above everything else. I had to make the decision early on as to what to do about the media. At the very first mob, the one that got broken up by the cops, an NPR reporter actually tracked me down. It was sort of fateful, because they had somebody on tape saying, "This was organized by my friend Bill." So when they found me at the bar afterward, I gave them an interview. Given that they already had my name on tape, I had to go by Bill, and so that set the tone from the beginning. Then I decided that I was going to give interviews to every single person who wanted to write about flash mobs. I decided that I had to have a rule, because the mob was an experiment and I had to play the thing out to its end, and so the rule was that the mob exists to grow.

STAY FREE!: "And if I do as many interviews as possible, it will grow the mob."

BILL: Exactly, and I developed a slogan: "anything that grows the mob is pro-mob." I would say that sometimes as a joke, but then at a certain point, I would use it in a serious way to my friends. But I also understood that as the Mob Project got bigger, and as it spread to more and more cities, there was inevitably going to be a backlash, and that, in the end, growing the mob was going to make the mobs less cool, and that thereby the mobs would become less popular. But I had to play the thing out to that end.

STAY FREE!: Because if there's never a backlash, were you ever popular enough in the first place?

BILL: Right, and then I would just have to keep doing the things in perpetuity. So if I could play the thing out to the point where it exploded and then became uncool, then I could just stop, which was basically what happened. The backlash took less than two months. All the different wire services had done stories on us--the New York Post did a big story, Time Out did a big story, and the New York Times hadn't. So when the woman from the Times called me, she said, "we've sort of gotten in late on this, so we're going to do a story for the Week in Review about it." We do the interview, and it becomes very clear that she is writing the backlash story . . . The flash mob phenomenon was such a light thing; there wasn't really a movement to begin with! The movement was a creation of the media.

STAY FREE!: But how much was the movement a creation of the media? It was aided by the media, but it wasn't created by them. They didn't create the desire in people, though perhaps they prodded them.

BILL: The media spread the mob. The media said, "This is the next big thing," and then the New York Times ran the first mob backlash story less than two months after the first mob, which I thought was awesome. I knew that there was going to be a backlash story, but I couldn't have dreamed it would happen that fast.

STAY FREE!: And in such a great venue!

BILL: Yeah, and so that was, on some level, the beginning of the end.

STAY FREE!: Did you do the last one thinking, "This is going to be the last one?"

BILL: Yeah, I told everybody it was the last one. And I actually think if I really had wanted to play it out, I should have kept doing it until the mobs were so lame that no one would come, but I guess my pride got in the way. Really, I should have played the experiment out to the point where I was having mobs and it would just be me saying [in a sad voice], "I guess nobody likes flash mobs no more."

STAY FREE!: For the movie version, though, that's a good wrap-up.

BILL: And they pretty much died out soon after that in other places, with the exception of these places overseas.

STAY FREE!: Well, I have to say--good job picking such a self-replicating meme. Lots of people forward email jokes, but nobody knows which one is going to be the next thing.

BILL: True. You come up with these ideas that you think are really going to spread, and nobody picks up on them. Eugene and I tried to do this thing at the Republican Convention called "Conservative Children for America." The premise was to have a bunch of children in three-piece suits handing out bizarre pro-conservative tracts using child-related examples about, for example, not being forced to share. It would be pro-conservative propaganda written by children and distributed by children, but their parents would kind of disavow it: "It's just a phase we hope he grows out of." Anyway, I sent this email around trying to recruit children, or parents with children, and the thing just didn't get anywhere. It didn't even get derided, it just went into the atmosphere and plummeted to earth. I thought it was such a good idea.

STAY FREE!: It is funny, but you've got to have something easy to do. You've got to have a kid and the kid has to have a suit…

BILL: I was prepared to purchase suits for the children. But, yeah, the whole meme-making thing is weird. I have friends who basically make memes for a living--for art projects that involve spreading ideas through the internet. But things spread for reasons that are unknown to all of us.

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British Prime Minister Tony Blair promised a full investigation into allegations of abuse by British troops in Iraq.
Tabloid newspaper the News of the World released a video that it claimed shows British troops abusing Iraqi civilians.
The footage, which appears to show soldiers beating young Iraqi civilians, has aired on British television stations.
"We take seriously any allegation of mistreatment and these will be investigated very fully indeed," said Blair on Sunday from South Africa, where he is attending a summit on poverty and development.
British military police said they are also investigating the allegations.
The footage, shot two years ago, starts off with a group of young people throwing stones. It then shows some military personnel leading several members of the crowd to an enclosed area where the apparent beating begins.
The tape then allegedly shows troops using their fists and batons to beat the group of young Iraqis.
A British military spokesperson told the Associated Press that the allegations involve only "a tiny number" of personnel.
News of the World claimed the video was filmed in 2004 by a corporal who urged the soldiers on during the alleged attack. The newspaper said the tape was passed on by a whistleblower, whom it refused to identify.
Outrage over the video has already made its way to the top of the British government on Sunday. But Blair stressed that the "overwhelming majority" of British troops in Iraq and elsewhere behave properly and do a "great job for our country and for the wider world."
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Wednesday, January 04, 2006

The Fall in more Detail. Step by 2 -Step
This is a reply to an email I recieved recently. Thought it might be of use here.I think this is the point where most people over estimate the event, it's creators, and the prep work. But first, good ole #7. This is really the key to the whole thing. Not to conspiracy but to profiling the masterminds. #7 was a cluster fuck of bad judgment. It was timed poorly, dropped perfectly and expected to simply vanish from the collective memory. It almost did. In recent history we have had 2 other events with the same signature disregard for reality. Oklahoma City and Waco. Waco was the first and the gutsiest use of the media to completely alter the public’s perception of an event. More so it created the reality. We were told that 160# people locked themselves in a compound for the purpose of worshipping the Anti-Christ and raping a bunch of kids. When discovered, they ambushed the surprised and outgunned ATF agents who only went down there that day to check on the well being of the children. After a long struggle the ATF escaped and called in the FBI to negotiate a surrender. In that position the FBI used a non violent approach. Heck, they didn’t even fire a shot. To spite this peaceful delegation, the Davidians decided to immolate themselves. Please disregard any evidence to the contrary you may have seen. Like the tanks pumping cz into the building. The incendiary grenades thrown thru the windows to ignite the gas. All the FLIR video of suppression fire from multiple persons outside the compound, which actually worked to push the victim, I mean cultists back into the inferno. Oh, and please don’t listen to any of the hours of 911 tape from the devil worshippers. They were trying to win the propaganda war with their completely insincere, but amazingly well acted pleas for help to the police. Not only is the accepted story complete BS with no supporting evidence and a mountain saying otherwise, but it doesn’t even need the easily disproven claims like ”The FBI didn’t fire a single shot”!Did anyone care that 160+ citizens were besieged and burned to death for failure to pay an arsenal tax on 2 purchases of 5000 rounds of ammo? No. And that is what really happened. That was why the ATF stormed the complex. When you buy ammo, any purchases of 5000 or more rounds has a tax on it called an arsenal tax. I can't remember the rate, but it is more than high enough to make people avoid it. If you shoot, 5000 rounds is not a whole lot. I'll run 2k thruogh a hand gun for practice any given afternoon. Of course, if you shoot you also have at one time or another gone to 2-3 different stores and bought 4500 rounds at each. Why pay the tax? Well, cuz that's illegal. It's tax evasion. Everyone does it though. The Davidians did it and were put to death for it. Kinda like getting lynched for Jay walking. I am not going to get into any more details of their murder, but check out "Waco- The rules of engagement” for the over view.Then came Oklahoma city. 4800# of anfo was driven 50 miles by 2 guys, placed outside a building, detonated and it went off like Cardinal Slip E. Phist on a preschooler at a Catholic Mixer.. Bullshit. That much anfo, would have made a hole in the parking lot that would not need immediate repair. Plus, you can’t move it once mixed and that is saying you have the chemistry degree and OCD necessary to mix the manure and gasoline perfectly. They could have gone to the reservation and bought $100 dollars worth of m-80s and had a much more powerful explosive. So there we have two incidents with absurd explanations swallowed hook line and sinker like coke filled condom at a border crossing. And you know what? Other than the experts: i.e. generals, the guy who invented flir cameras, demo crews, physicists, professors and the like, you know smart people, not a single person has even noticed.Now look at #7. The powers that be put 15 million worth of upgrades into #7 within a year of 9-11. One whole self contained floor with blast proof windows, it's own air and water, every possible type of communication device and mile high security for no reason whatsoever. Then, on 9-11 Rudy, “I busted two Irish guys and called them the mob” Juliani holds court there with Fema and about 30 business associates on the same day the buildings were hit. Of course, something went wrong. The buildings did not go boom when the planes hit. They didn’t even shimmy much. Why? Because they were designed to do that when hit by planes. Not if, when. It was a priority of the architect to make ‘em plane proof. So the Hollywood FX circuit board fails to trigger the explosions on impact. What now? Start checkin wires. This goes on for a little less than an hour. Someone phones and Rudy and his buddies come flying out of #7 like their lives depended on it. Of course, I would have bolted 52 minutes earlier when the second plane came in. Not them though. They stayed bravely until 4 minutes before the first tower goes off. That’s lucky timing. Why did they run then? Well , for 52 minutes a couple of demo gurus have been randomly zingin wires to see what works. That has caused random booms on the other end, destabilizing the buildings. They figure they better light one up before it fall across the city. The tech guy tells Rudy that he doesn’t know if the tops will pop to dust on the way down. You see towers were built plane proof, but the wires connecting the sequencer to the bombs like the Bush family to corporate bail outs wasn’t . The mild fires could have removed the insulation the wires needed to carry current down the line. Side note- Somehow, the guys at homecoming Queen (Popular, right?) Mechanics mix this up with the idea that without asbestos mittens, steel melts at toaster temperatures. Actually they would have lasted forever with or without the fireproofing. Now back to Rudy-tooty-haulin-booty out the building. He and his posse exit building left and inadvertently start the next big fashion trend for Asia. Air filter masks. A couple shots of the great escapees whipping their ‘don’t leave home without ‘em’ breath masks and the next two years China goes Chin-less, mouthless, and noseless under Rudy’s fad fashion sense. It takes a great man to think to pack an air filter on a beautiful autumn day. I would never have guessed that I would soon be in a shit cloud of asbestos if I’d been in his shoes that day.Speaking of Asbestos. Funny coincidence here. If not for the Wars Halliburton would have been sunk under the weight of all the lawsuits Cheney got as a surprise gift for buying a piss ant company a couple years earlier. The terrorists really did him a favor by putting Halliburton back in the black with cost plus one contracts to provide everything but the bullets and the bodies needed to hunt down and kill those terrorists. And it really helped when legislation was passed to keep the homeland secure from trivial lawsuits for alleged losses people claimed when their loved ones died of Mesothelyoma. If you don’t know what that is, watch late night tv commercials. Yep., nothing more dangerous to the US than trivial lawsuits putting hurtful cash drains on the asbestos industry just because it knew it was killing people when it kept their steel from burning up in fires. But, wait, the Homeland is more than just asbestos manufacturing companies run by Cheney, Right?Thanx for the reminder. Brave Billy Frist saw the vulnerability and attached protections for the ‘barely keeping their heads above water’ pharmaceutical companies, to the Patriot acts 1 and #2. So what if your kid has a pound of Mercury in his head and can’t spell dad backwards at 18? He didn’t get the flu did he? See, vaccinations are important and best preserved cheaply. Back to the story.The 1st tower goes off. The top thirty floors do a redneck cannonball at #7, but turn to dust like a Buffy bad guy half way down. Six is sunk under the powder, but 7 lives to die another day... or 5 hours later, whichever comes first.Everybody gets what they want. Rudy goes on to run for the Senate. Too bad the ass cancer holds him back (Maybe there is a God!). Rummy gets to play Napoleon in the upcoming reenactment of Waterloo. Bush gets respect and everyone forgets about the election he stole. Cheney gets the Middle East and most of America. Big Pharma gets to sleep soundly at night knowing that the next generation is going to be to fucked up on ethyl-mercury to even say litigation, let alone spell it or try it. The Nuclear weapons industry gets to pull out all that pesky waste they’ve been hiding in storage sheds and sell it to the Pentagon. The Pentagon gets to equip the military with super bullets that not only kill the enemy, but also take care of any vets who survive the two stop loss wars. Think of what they can do with all the money they save since none of the guys they promised to pay at retirement will live that long with lungs full of DU. Social Security will be fine, since the asbestos floating around the East coast will keep just about everyone there from making it to 65. Silverstein gets 3,5 billion in insurance for a 300 million dollar 6 week investment and he saves 800 million thanx to terrorist asbestos removal. Everyone lives happily ever after, rich and righteous.Well, except the common man that is. Srew them. With their mortality rate for the next 100 years, not like they are gonna be all that common anymore anyways.
posted by Reverend X at 9:58 PM

2 Comments:
El Davo the Magnificent said...
hi im Gavin im writing from my friends account and i have to say that your blog seems depressing. be happy man, be ignorant like me. im sorry im an idiot. um mankind is screwed but i will continue with my ignorant lazy attitude, continue not deciding whether i believe in god or not. annnd trying to be happy. peace man
10:06 PM
Reverend X said...
Gavin,You're young. Enjoy it. I am happy. Just sarcastic, bitter and trying to save the world. You are smart so you'll get here soon enough. That tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a one way ticket. One can not unlearn and re-ignorize oneself. Except, obviously, in spelling, grammar and sentence structure. Mine have been deteriorating for years now.
10:41 PM
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K9,Assuming all that is true, here is the plan:This is email I sent today. An altered version of this is going out for distributionWar crimes, privacy invasions, criminal negligence, incompetence, cronyism, media manipulation, domestic propaganda, election fraud and being an all around bastard. Put it all together and what do we get? A wave of the hand and the words 9-11. We have got to put forth a concerted effort to take that away from them. It is abundantly clear that nothing Bush does, no matter how heinous is ever going to see investigation or prosecution as long it can be irrationaly construed to somehow combat terrorism.All of our efforts are in vain. All our strategies are ineffective. Nothing is going to change until we deal with this. As far as I can tell, the average person believes that there has been a cover up. But they don't want to lose face in front of their peers by talking about it. That and they don't view a cover up as sufficient reason to risk their personal bubble. It was not just a cover up and that is provable. We need to saturate every inch of this country with that info. Easy. Here's how.Drop everything else and do not let up. Nothing else means anything so long as they have the magic words. If we focus all of our energies on putting the Truth about 911 everywhere, the public will have no choice but to accept it. Like Jessica Simpson's career, unrelenting persistence, power rotation, and overexposure will make it happen regardless of resistance.I know you don't do 9-11. And we both know the 911 truth horde don't to effective promotions. They are way too busy pointing out the trivial minutia in the next guy's presentation to have any energy left over to push their own. You know how to get yourself heard and have the credibility to back this.I for one am tired of beating dead horses. I want to get to the next level and start beating breathing elephants and cowering donkeys. What do we have to lose? Contact your connections. I'm already buggging the hell out of mine. Anti-war, election reform, media reform, corporate accountability, environmental protection... every cause and every activist has got to accept that their goals can only be achieved by working together on this one.A year ago we did not have sufficient proof but now we do.http://911research.wtc7.net/http://prweb.com/releases/2006/1/prweb338782.htmhttp://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.htmlhttp://www.911blogger.com/2005/04/proper-release-of-griffin-in-madison.htmlhttp://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.htmlAnd we have the marketting tools to get it out there. You've been hosting my video "Rise" for months.http://www.bushflash.com/swf/wtc.swfmirrorhttp://www.blastedreality.net/wtf/Rise.swfIt works to get people going in the right direction."Loose Change" is a good one.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194I put together a 15 minute eye opener called "The Produced Reality"http://www.rss-to-javascript.com/?p=151,381&desc=1&src=http://www.parapolitics.info%2Frss%2F911podcast.xml&as_html=1No one style will work for everyone, but those links will. For the "Thrill me" crowd there is fast paced flash. For the "Prove it" types there's Scientific documentation. Lecture format for the people who like detail and conspiracy secrets for the curious. And the latest Downing Street Memo buzz ties in perfectly.http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006%5C02%5C04%5Cstory_4-2-2006_pg4_4Whether or not this new info credible, it still puts the possibility of using planes illegaly to forward a political agenda into the public's thoughts.And thanks to Hoffman we have easily verifiable evidence refuting the "Debunkers" (Con artist apologists):NIST? See ya:http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.htmlScientific Americans (who don't know science):http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/sciam/index.htmlPopular Mechanics (does popular mean qualified?):http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/index.htmlSorry for the length of this letter, but I do not see any other way of breaking through the cabal's defensive BS. Let me know what you think. I am asking every connection I have to get on this. We have 10 months to fix a lot of things or it will be too late. You've been at this longer than me. Do really think anything else can work?-XBlasted Reality
posted by Reverend X at 4:26 PM

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Anonymous said...
yes! spread the truth like the plauge, force all to learn the awful truth, put it everywhere so none can ignore it. The problem will be securing enough media and getting it distributed everywhere and to everyone ,many people just wont accept it, at least not unless it is repeatedly shown to them. but we all knew for years that getting people to accept the truth would not be easy.Mabye people will realise the truth is the only thing that can save them from our self-destructive culture and economy i wish i had more resourses to help but i can always keep spreading the word one person at a time.To the renissance of truth
6:59 PM
Anonymous said...
Reverend X,Anti -war, relection reform, clean enironment--yadda yadda yadda...70's chant and rant --none of that -N O N E of that will amount to a fig in the struggle against Islam--you are hiding from the reality of islam.Deal with it brother. FoF
8:06 PM
K9 said...
/bark bark barkwhat I think is I am thinking about it. I am still looking at things you wrote 3 posts ago. its gonna take time because your content is so dense. I'll be back. However, no matter what or who gets changed on our soil, this problem of Islam is not going way. Im am really impressed with the video work. You made these yourself? with flash? /grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
8:07 AM
Anonymous said...
Reverend Xwhat exactly is the "Truth about 911 "?
11:41 AM
Reverend X said...
Pop quiz:A residence is bombed. It becomes engulfed in flames. Inside are a 50 yr old man and woman. A 17 yr old boy, 14 yr old girl and 2 younger children. Who has the best chance of getting out?The 17 yr old boy is physically the prime candidate for survival. Now you have a young impressionable, angry boy who was already wondering what he was going to do with the rest of his life. Is that the "Truth about Islam" that no one seems to be talking about.Or could it be the Bush-bin Landen-Saud financial empire that funds the Jyhadist schools and terrorist training camps in Saudi Arabia?Or perhaps the "fact" that FoF asked for earlier? The Secular Sunni government of Iraq under Saddam was a mortal enemy of the Fundamentalist Shi'ite cult filling the ranks of Al Qaeda? If history has taught us anything about religious conflict, it is that devout believers invariably point their aggression at those deemed to be heretics rather than infidels. The reformation is a great example. So if we are to believe what history is teaching us, the "Truth about Islam" is that devoid of external stimuli, pop will eat itself. Walk away, just walk away and begin diplomacy 50 yrs from now with the survivors. The ones who think before they scream and leap will be the only ones likely to survive.
1:04 PM
van said...
11:41 anonIs that not something you would wish to learn for yourself? Do some research, think about what happened that day, and what we have been told happened. Do you honestly believe that the military could not get fighters into the air fast enough to stop at least the pentagon from being hit if not also the second tower? Refusal to look into the official story out of fear or misplaced trust in government is what has allowed the bastards to continue to do what they do.
11:36 AM
Reverend X said...
Van,Who was your comment directed towards? I kinda get the feeling you missed out on the course description here. Yes, 9-11 was an inside job. That is evidenced in the above links. There's hours of credible testimony such as Noman Mineta, Secretary of Transportation, testifying he watched Cheney verbally rage at a young officer in the command bunker on 9-11 as Flight 77 closed on the pentagon. The officer had had the audacity to ask if the orders still stood as the plane came in. There's structural engineering documents showing the thresholds of the steel and load distribution schematics.There's Griffin's point by point lecture on the Omissions and distortions of the 9-11 Commission report. Things like failure to even look into the collaapse of WTC 7, the third steel structure to collapse not only that day, but ever. The complete denial of the 47 gigantic support colums in the center of each tower, even though their existence is an immutable fact.Morgan Reynolds, former director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis and chief economist for the US Department of Labor during 2001–2, George W. Bush's first term, lists the flaws in the Official Story. Of course, there is also my favorites. Video shot frombase of each tower as they "collapse" horizontally 400' in all directions as blast squibs blow out of lower floors and demolition waves hurtle down the face of each at nearly double the speed of free fall. Years ago, the Ashe Conformity Tests showed a tendency for people to see what the group wants them to see, but these shots can only be declared a "collapse" by fools, lunatics and liars. They are that obvious.So Van, please take a look. It is a comprehensive list of links.
2:20 PM
van said...
Sorry rev, the post was directed as addressed, to the 11:41 anonymous poster. I fully believe that 9-11 was an inside job, i was just listing the first question i had,(how could our military not respond to the attacks) which led me look into the official story more closely. I was suggesting to anon that he/she take some time for themselves to look into the obvious problems with the story we have been sold by bushco.
6:25 PM
Reverend X said...
I figured that out after only a slightly embarassing lapse. I kept my comment up because it seems to summarize the article well. Thank you for input. Indeed, how could a cave clan successfully strike the most heavily defended air space on the planet? No one could, except us.
12:34 AM
infinitesimal said...
hey XWhat was the recommendation for the underground Muslim woman's writings? I am sure it was you who recommended, I just do not remember where. I want to add it to the book corner.I added you to IM too...
8:29 AM
Reverend X said...
Infini,Oddly enough it was not me. But here is a good one anywayshttp://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/I'll get back to you with more a bit later. Hope you find the one you are looking for.
9:02 AM
K9 said...
/bark bark barkRev, that was very classy offering up bandwidth to the invisible man at revenge. Nice going brutha. (hey, when someone calls you friend or pal, you know you are about to get it dontcha? -thats what ive learned in a few short weeks) Even though you dont agree with revenge, is he not funny as hell? I have been howling my head off at his site. Im impressed his content has a warning sign now!I saw some graffitti today that reminded me of you and I put the two together and have an excellent rapper name:Rev Dread or Dread rev. not a put down just sounds right somehow.vanille, I believe that was da boyed that made reference to the muslim womans writing.
4:27 PM
Reverend X said...
K9, Don't let vicious rumor about me spread, ok? Course just between you and me, I am sincere in that offer. Kinda that whole defend the Rights no matter if I like the way their being used or not. When they come for any one of my people, they'll have to get thru me. And I got a broad interpretation of who my people are. Rev Dread? Revi D? Ah, "Revenant D." Can I be "Evi Lee,for short and full name Evi Dent Lee"? Nah, to derivative... I'll just be X.L.N.C. in the place to be/ with Revenant D. and Vanilla/ Who we'll call Eva Lee...Yeah, try as I might, DTD is funny as hell. Fun to argue with, too. Seems I invariably keep my enemies closer... Then again, I have found that preaching to the choir is a civic form of masterbation and I am at my worst when surrounded by people who agree with me. So all things considered, it is as it should be. Now how do we get snazzy google intros like DTD's. I have an entry here titled, "Did you just call God a pussy?" and it doesn't get any nicer. Guess I'll have to title my next one "My eternal quest for the Goddess, and what I did to her when I found her."I got a bad feeling I might never get an official warning page, cuz I can't draw for shit.
12:58 AM
K9 said...
/bark bark bark(brakes screeching:eeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkk!)but then you blame the blogger offensive flag on a bible thumper!!! ha ha. you know damn well it was some prissy lib. probably some r. crumb lookin' girlie. nice try though.dreaded shredded irrelevant rev a rant. uh oh I feel a round robin of rap comin'.....yeah, stick a stake thru deepak chopra or Gaia and you'll get your flagdown with word verification!/grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
3:14 AM
Reverend X said...
K9, Given the total lack of evidence in the flaggit case, I give the same thought to my thumper theory as I give to Inviso's vigilante's Leftist lashings. I'm surprised there's no mumblings of Muslim manouvers or talk of teen tantrum tripping in all this. And how do we know for sure there's no K9 behind the line this time? Hmmm? Perhaps Pete Bogs who slogs with the dogs has done the deed, and left the largest logs, steaming... No sense dreaming or screaming it is just seeming that the blame and shame could be anyone's game. We can't name names cuz that might frame an innocent or the meek and lame. I will not... in this place.. suspect without a case. A face a trace, to bear disgrace. Fast pace will waste like clues erased, leaving naught but a bitter taste. (years of Billy Wigglestick squandered with that run)No.. this hate debate has wrought this fate, as late we wait in thoughtful state, would the culprit show with proper bait and perpetrate twice on this date the infamy they demonstrate. Irony that their checkmate did only work to invigorate the discussion of D's graven slate. 2-4-6-8 D's fans grow at such a rate that flags will just accelerate. OK, I think I got that outta me for the moment. But I suddenly want to go read Dr. Suess books. That could get dangerous. So no I will not at this time, no I will not with K9...I'll stop. sorry.
4:48 AM
infinitesimal said...
Well,I dint call the fuzz on d.t. Dipshit, but I did not like his site. I think prolly it was one of the muslim moderates who tried to comment amidst the 350 other comments, half of which were from the dipshit d.t. himself...(to himself??)I am pissed at him because he is making the situation worse, and popping an ego boner over the attention.I am surprised that you jump on the coat tails over there K9 and X.Anyway, thanx for the info X, there is a gif link? You need instructions for how to use this blog for dum-dums like me.I want to read more, but have to go to work.Maybe you could do a post for dummies. America one o one. Catch newbies up to speed on the current state of affairs. Maybe? That would be good.
7:52 AM
Reverend X said...
"I am surprised that you jump on the coat tails over there K9 and X."Any percieved coat tail jumping is simply collateral due to my jumping all over the rest of him. ?I believe I illustrated my view of D.T. unambiguosly in my previous enty "One Crayon over the Line... Sweet Jesus!" Graphic links 101: When viewing any given webpage, pass the mouse pointer over any image or button looking thingy. If the arrow becomes a finger, click it. For kicks, pass the pointer all over the page. Many sites have hidden links. Thats the easy way to find free porn, warez sites and other groovy ways to infect your system with spyware. Just make sure to run adaware or spybot often to remove unwanted wire-line taps.America 101, remedial: http://blastedreality.blogspot.com/2006/01/fall-in-more-detail-step-by-2-step.html
12:26 PM
Pete Bogs said...
"It is abundantly clear that nothing Bush does, no matter how heinous is ever going to see investigation or prosecution as long it can be irrationaly construed to somehow combat terrorism."the American people are amazingly gullible, aren't they? there have been so many revelations of illegal and unethical acts by this administration, but they still haven't impacted Bush much... I've said that if Bush were to sacrifice an infant to Satan on live TV, some people still wouldn't believe he's rotten to the core; instead they'd blame liberals for a smear campaign against him... he can do no wrong in some people's eyes... unlike K9's, Bush's steaming browns seemingly have no odor...


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[911InsideJobbers] Re: So what is the deal with this new footage? Is this a smoking gun or not?

thanks!

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> I'm trying to backtrack and figure that out. I know this video popped up
> at ATS forums back around the election in November 2004. I think the
> version that I uploaded is that same one, though I also think that was
> the second version of that clip I had seen and I downloaded it to
> compare to another version that I already had (or I have this clip mixed
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> New 9-11 footage?
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> My brother works in the media, and just sent me this file via ICQ. He
> claims it's footage recently gained from some inside government source
> that his workplace has (I can't reveal his identity or where he works
> for a few reasons, mainly that I don't want him getting fired).
> He says they're writing up the story furiously and should air it soon.
> He didn't say when, but he says they're doing extensive facts-checking
> to make certain before they air this, so it's slowing down the process a
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I dunno what "blase" means in this instance.
I am going back and producing other krash flashies from other sources.
The CBS What We Saw video still has the "plane" with the 747 style cap.
The way the hippityhopping was disguised is rather hilarious.
It is Not the same as the one Perp found.
It's a cartoon. It's always been a cartoon. This new one is just a
different cartoon.

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I'm trying to backtrack and figure that out. I know this video popped up at ATS forums back around the election in November 2004. I think the version that I uploaded is that same one, though I also think that was  the second version of that clip I had seen and I downloaded it to compare to another version that I already had (or I have this clip mixed up with another one with off timing).

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New 9-11 footage?

My brother works in the media, and just sent me this file via ICQ. He claims it's footage recently gained from some inside government source that his workplace has (I can't reveal his identity or where he works for a few reasons, mainly that I don't want him getting fired).
He says they're writing up the story furiously and should air it soon. He didn't say when, but he says they're doing extensive facts-checking to make certain before they air this, so it's slowing down the process a bit.
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http://www.notracist.com/OriginalFootage.avi

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Looniest Of All 911 Conspiracy Theories

By Gerard Holmgren1-31-6

Astute observers of history are aware that for every notable event there will usually be at least one, often several wild conspiracy theories which spring up around it. 'The CIA killed Hendrix', 'The Pope had John Lennon murdered', 'Hitler was half Werewolf', 'Space aliens replaced Nixon with a clone' etc, etc. The bigger the event, the more ridiculous and more numerous are the fanciful rantings which circulate in relation to it.
So its hardly surprising that the events of September 11th, 2001 have spawned their fair share of these ludicrous fairy tales. And as always, there is - sadly - a small but gullible percentage of the population eager to lap up these tall tales, regardless of facts or rational analysis.

One of the wilder stories circulating about September 11th - and one that has attracted something of a cult following amongst conspiracy buffs - is that it was carried out by nineteen fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'

Never a group of people to be bothered by facts, the perpetrators of this cartoon fantasy have constructed an elaborately woven web of delusions and unsubstantiated hearsay in order to promote this garbage across the internet and the media to the extent that a number of otherwise rational people have actually fallen under its spell.

Normally I don't even bother debunking this kind of junk, but the effect that this paranoid myth is beginning to have requires a little rational analysis, in order to consign it to the same rubbish bin as all such silly conspiracy theories.

These crackpots even contend that the extremist Bush regime was caught unawares by the attacks, had no hand in organising them, and actually would have stopped them if it had been able. Blindly ignoring the stand down of the US air-force, the insider trading on airline stocks - linked to the CIA - the complicit behavior of Bush on the morning of the attacks, the controlled demolition of the WTC, the firing of a missile into the Pentagon and a host of other documented proofs that the Bush regime was behind the attacks, the conspiracy theorists stick doggedly to a silly story about nineteen Arab hijackers somehow managing to commandeer four planes simultaneously and fly them around US airspace for nearly two hours, crashing them into important buildings, without the US intelligence services having any idea that it was coming, and without the Air Force knowing what to do.

The huge difficulties with such a stupid story force them to invent even more preposturous stories to distract from its core silliness, and thus the tale has escalated into a mythic fantasy of truly gargantuan proportions.

It's difficult to apply rational analysis to such unmitigated stupidity, but that is the task which I take on in this article. However, it should be noted that one of the curious characteristics of conspiracy theorists is that they effortlessly change their so called evidence in response to each aspect which is debunked. As soon as one delusion is unmasked, they simply invent another to replace it, and deny that the first ever existed. Eventually, when they have turned full circle through this endlessly changing fantasy fog, they then re-invent the original delusion and deny that you ever debunked it, thus beginning the circle once more. This technique is known as 'the fruit loop' and saves the conspiracy theorist from ever having to see any of their ideas through to their (il)ogical conclusions.

According to the practitioners of the fruit loop, nineteen Arabs took over four planes by subduing the passengers and crew through the use of guns, knives, box cutters and gas, and then used electronic guidance systems which they had smuggled on board to fly the planes to their targets.

The suspension of disbelief required for this outrageous concoction is only for the hard core conspiracy theorist. For a start, they conveniently skip over the awkward fact that there weren't any Arabs on the planes. If there were, one must speculate that they somehow got on board without being filmed by any of the security cameras and without being registered on the passenger lists. But the curly question of how they are supposed to have got on board is all too mundane for the exciting world of the conspiracy theorist. With vague mumblings that they must have been using false ID - but never specifying which IDs they are alleged to have used, or how these were traced to their real identities - they quickly bypass this problem, to relate exciting and sinister tales about how some of the fictitious fiends were actually searched before boarding because they looked suspicious. However, as inevitably happens with any web of lies, this simply paints them into an even more difficult corner. How are they supposed to have got on board with all that stuff if they were searched ? And if they used gas in a confined space, they would have been affected themselves unless they also had masks in their luggage.

"Excuse me sir, why do you have a boxcutter, a gun, a container of gas, a gas mask and an electronic guidance unit in your luggage?"

"A present for your grandmother? Very well sir, on you get."

"Very strange", thinks the security officer, "that's the fourth Arabic man without an Arabic name who just got on board with a knife, gun or boxcutter and gas mask...and why does that security camera keep flicking off every time one these characters shows up? Must be one of those days I guess..."

Asking any of these basic questions to a conspiracy theorist is likely to cause a sudden leap to the claim that we know that they were on board because they left a credit card trail for the tickets they had purchased and cars they had rented. So if they used credit cards that identified them, how does that reconcile with the claim that they used false IDs to get on to the plane? But by this time , the fruit loop is in full swing, as the conspiracy theorist tries to stay one jump ahead of this annoying and awkward rational analysis. They will allege that the hijackers' passports were found at the crash scenes. "So there!" they exalt triumphantly, their fanatical faces lighting up with that deranged look of one who has just a revelation of questionable sanity.

Hmm? So they got on board with false IDs but took their real passports with them? However, by this time the fruit loop has been completely circumnavigated,and the conspiracy theorist exclaims impatiently, "who said anything about false IDs? We know what seats they were sitting in! Their presence is well documented!" And so the whole loop starts again. "Well, why aren't they on the passenger lists?" "You numbskull! They assumed the identities of other passengers!" And so on...

Finally, out of sheer fascination with this circular method of creative delusion, the rational sceptic will allow them to get away with this loop, in order to move on to the next question, and see what further delights await us in the unraveling of this marvelously stupid story.

"Uh, how come their passports survived fiery crashes that completely incinerated the planes and all the passengers? "The answer of course is that its just one of those strange coincidences, those little quirks of fate that do happen from time to time. You know, like the same person winning the lottery four weeks in a row. The odds are astronomical, but these things do happen.

This is another favourite deductive method of the conspiracy theorist. The 'improbability drive', in which they decide upon a conclusion without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and then continually speculate a series of wildly improbable events and unbelievable co-incidences to support it, shrugging off the implausibility of each event with the vague assertion that sometimes the impossible happens - just about all the time in their world. There is a principle called 'Occam's razor' which suggests that in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct. Conspiracy theorists hate Occam's razor.

Having for the sake of amusement, allowed them to get away with with the silly story of the nineteen invisible Arabs, we move on to the question of how they are supposed to have taken over the planes.

Hijacking a plane is not an easy thing to do. Hijacking it without the pilot being able to alert ground control is near impossible. The pilot has only to punch in a four digit code to alert ground control to a hijacking. Unconcerned with the awkward question of plausibility, the conspiracy buffs maintain that on that September 11th, the invisible hijackers took over the plane by the rather crude method of threatening people with boxcutters and knives, and spraying gas - after they had attached their masks, obviously - but somehow took control of the plane without the crew first getting a chance to punch in the hijacking code. Not just on one plane, but on all four. At this point in the tale, the conspiracy theorist is again forced to call upon the services of the improbability drive.

So now that our incredibly lucky hijackers have taken control of the planes, all four pilots fly them with breath taking skill and certainty to their fiery end, all four pilots unflinching in their steely resolve for a swift meeting with Allah. Apart from their psychotic hatred of 'our freedoms', it was their fanatical devotion to Islam which enabled them to summon up the iron will to do this. Which is strange, because according to another piece of hearsay peddled by the conspiracy buffs, these guys actually went out drinking and womanizing the night before their great martyrdom, even leaving their Korans in the bar - really impeccable Islamic behavior - and then got up at 5 o'clock the next morning to pull off the greatest covert operation in history. This also requires us to believe that they were even clear headed enough to learn how to fly the huge planes by reading flight manuals in Arabic in the car on the way to the airport. We know this because they supposedly left the flight manuals there for us to find.

It gets better. Their practical training had allegedly been limited to Cessnas and flight simulators, but this was no barrier to the unflinching certainty with which they took over the planes and skillfully guided them to their doom. If they are supposed to have done their flight training with these tools, which would be available just about anywhere in the world, its not clear why they would have decided to risk blowing their cover to US intelligence services by doing the training in Florida, rather than somewhere in the Middle East, but such reasoning is foreign to the foggy world of the conspiracy theorist, too trapped in the constant rotation of the mental fruit loop to make their unsubstantiated fabrications seem even semi-believable.

Having triumphantly established a circular delusion in support of the mythical Arabs, the conspiracy theorist now confronts the difficult question of why there's nothing left of the planes. Anybody who has seen the endlessly replayed footage of the second plane going into the WTC will realize that the plane was packed with explosives. Planes do not and cannot blow up into nothing in that manner when they crash.

Did the mythical Arabs also haul a huge heap of explosives on board, and mange to deploy them in such a manner that they went off in the exact instant of the crash, completely vapourizing the plane? This is a little difficult even for the conspiracy theorist, who at this point decides that its easier to invent new laws of physics in order to keep the delusion rolling along.

There weren't any explosives. It wasn't an inside job. The plane blew up into nothing from its exploding fuel load! Remarkable, quite remarkable. Sluggishly combustible jet fuel which is basically Kerosene, and which burns at a maximum temperature of around 800 degrees Celcius has suddenly taken on the qualities of a ferociously explosive demolition agent, vapourising sixty-five tons of aircraft into a puff of smoke. Never mind that a plane of that size contains around fifteen tons of steel and titanium, of which even the melting points are about double that of the maximum combustion temperature of Kerosene - let alone the boiling point - which is what would be required to vapourise a plane. And then there's about fifty tons of aluminium to be accounted for. In excess of 15lbs of metal for each gallon of Kerosene.

For the conspiracy theorist, such inconvenient facts are vaguely dismissed as 'mumbo jumbo'. This convenient little phrase is their answer to just about anything factual or logical. Like a conjurer pulling a rabbit out of a hat, they suddenly become fanatically insistent about the devastating explosive qualities of Kerosene, something hitherto completely unknown to science, but just discovered by them, this very minute. Blissfully ignoring the fact that never before or since in aviation history has a plane vapourised into nothing from an exploding fuel load, the conspiracy theorist relies upon Hollywood images, where the effects are are always larger than life, and certainly larger than the intellects of these cretins.

"Its a well known fact that planes blow up into nothing on impact", they state with pompous certainty, "watch any Bruce Willis movie."

"Care to provide any documented examples? If it's a well known fact, then presumably this well known fact springs from some kind of documentation - other than Bruce Willis movies?"

At this point the mad but cunning eyes of the conspiracy theorist will narrow as they sense the corner that they have backed themselves into, and plan their escape by means of another stunning backflip.

"Ah, but planes have never crashed into buildings before, so there's no way of telling." they counter with a sly grin. Well, actually planes have crashed into buildings before and since, and not vapourised into nothing. "But not big planes, with that much fuel", they shriek in hysterical denial. Or that much metal to vapourise.

"Yes but not hijacked planes!" "Are you suggesting that whether the crash is deliberate or accidental affects the combustion qualities of the fuel?" "Now you're just being silly".

Although collisions with buildings are rare, planes frequently crash into mountains, streets, other aircraft, nosedive into the ground, or have bombs planted aboard them, and don't vapourise into nothing. What's so special about a tower that's mostly glass? But by now, the conspiracy theorist has once again sailed happily around the fruit loop. "It's a well documented fact that planes explode into nothing on impact."

Effortlessly weaving back and forth between the position that its a "well known fact" and that "its never happened before, so we have nothing to compare it to", the conspiracy theorist has now convinced themselves - if not too many other people - that the WTC plane was not loaded with explosives, and that the instant vapourisation of the plane in a massive fireball was the same as any other plane crash you might care to mention. Round and round the fruit loop.

But the hurdles which confront the conspiracy theorist are many, and they are now forced to implement even more creative uses for the newly discovered shockingly destructive qualities of Kerosene. They have to explain how the Arabs also engineered the elegant veritcal collapse of both the WTC towers, and for this awkward fact the easiest counter is to simply deny that it was a controlled demolition, and claim that the buildings collapsed from fire caused by the burning Kerosene.

For this, its necessary to sweep aside the second law of thermodynamics and propose Kerosene which is not only impossibly destructive, but also recycles itself for a second burning in violation of the law of degradation of energy. You see, it not only consumed itself in a sudden catastrophic fireball , vapourising a sixty-five ton plane into nothing, but then came back for a second go, burning at 2000 degrees centigrade for another hour at the impact point, melting the skyscraper's steel like butter. And while it was doing all this it also poured down the elevator shafts, starting fires all through the building. When I was at school there was a little thing called the entropy law which suggests that a given portion of fuel can only burn once, something which is readily observable in the real world, even for those who didn't make it to junior high school science. But this is no problem for the conspiracy theorist. Gleefully, they claim that a few thousand gallons of Kerosene is enough to:

- Completely vapourise a sixty-five ton aircraft

- Have enough left over to burn ferociously enough for over an hour at the impact point to melt steel - melting point about double the maximum combustion temperature of the fuel

- Still have enough left over to pour down the elevator shafts and start similarly destructive fires all through the building

This Kerosene really is remarkable stuff! How chilling to realize that those Kerosene heaters we had in the house when I was a kid were deadly bombs, just waiting to go off. One false move and the entire street might have been vapourised. And never again will I take Kerosene lamps out camping. One moment you're there innocently holding the lamp - the next - kapow! Vapourised into nothing along with with the rest of the camp site, and still leaving enough of the deadly stuff to start a massive forest fire.

These whackos are actually claiming that the raging inferno allegedly created by the miraculously recycling, and impossibly hot burning Kerosene melted or at least softened the steel supports of the skyscraper. Oblivious to the fact that the black smoke coming from the WTC indicates an oxygen starved fire - therefore not particularly hot - they trumpet an alleged temperature in the building of 2000 degrees centigrade, without a shred of evidence to support this curious suspension of the laws of physics.

Not content with this ludicrous garbage, they then contend that as the steel frames softened, they came straight down instead of buckling and twisting and falling sideways.

Since they're already re-engineered the combustion qualities of jet fuel, violated the second law of thermodynamics, and redefined the structural properties of steel, why let a little thing like the laws of gravity get in the way?

The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free falling object, dropped from that height, meaning that its physically impossible for it to have collapsed by the method of the top floors smashing through the lower floors. But according to the conspiracy theorists, the laws of gravity were temporarily suspended on the morning of September 11th. It appears that the evil psychic power of those dreadful Arabs knew no bounds. Even after they were dead, they were able, by the power of their evil spirits, to force down the tower at a speed physically impossible under the laws of gravity, had it been meeting any resistance from fireproofed steel structures originally designed to resist many tons of hurricane force wind as well as the impact of a Boeing passenger jet straying off course.

Clearly, these conspiracy nuts never did their science homework at school, but did become extremely adept at inventing tall tales for why. "Muslim terrorists stole my notes,Sir." "No Miss, the Kerosene heater blew up and vapourised everything in the street, except for my passport." "You see Sir, the schoolbus was hijacked by Arabs who destroyed my homework because they hate our freedoms."

Or perhaps they misunderstood the term 'creative science' and mistakenly thought that coming up with such rubbish was in fact, their science homework.

The ferocious heat generated by this ghastly Kerosene was, according to the conspiracy theorists, the reason why so many of the WTC victims can't be identified. DNA is destroyed by heat - although 2000 degrees centigrade isn't really required, 100 degrees centigrade will generally do the job. This is quite remarkable, because according to the conspiracy theorist, the nature of DNA suddenly changes if you go to a different city.

That's right, if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in New York, your DNA will be destroyed by such temperatures. But if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in Washington, your DNA will be so robust that it can survive temperatures which completely vapourise a sixty-five ton aircraft.

You see, these loonies have somehow concocted the idea that the missile which hit the pentagon was not a missile at all, but one of the hijacked planes. And to prove this unlikely premise, they point to a propaganda statement from the Bush regime, which rather stupidly claims that all but one of the people aboard the plane were identified from the site by DNA testing, even though nothing remains of the plane. The plane was vapourised by the fuel tank explosion, maintain these space loonies, but the people inside it were all but one identified by DNA testing.

So there we have it. The qualities of DNA are different, depending upon which city you're in, or perhaps depending upon which fairy story you're trying to sell at any particular time.

This concoction about one of the hijacked planes hitting the Pentagon really is a howler. For those not familiar with the layout of the Pentagon, it consists of 5 rings of building, each with a space inbetween. Each ring of building is about 30-35 feet deep, with a similar amount of open space between it and the next ring. The object which penetrated the Pentagon went in at about a 45 degree angle, punching a neat circular hole of about a 12 foot diameter through three rings - six walls. A little later a section of wall about 65 foot wide collapsed in the outer ring. Since the plane which the conspiracy theorists claim to be responsible for the impact had a wing span of 125 feet and a length of 155 feet, and there was no wreckage of the plane, either inside or outside the building, and the lawns outside were still smooth and green enough to play golf on, this crazy delusion is clearly physically impossible.

But hey, we've already disregarded the combustion qualities of jet fuel, the normal properties of common building materials, the properties of DNA, the laws of gravity and the second law of thermodynamics, so what the hell - why not throw in a little spatial impossibility as well? I would have thought that the observation that a solid object cannot pass through another solid object without leaving a hole at least as big as itself is reasonably sound science. But to the conspiracy theorist, this is 'mumbo jumbo'. It conflicts with the delusion that they're hooked on, so it 'must be wrong' although trying to get them to explain exactly how it could be wrong is a futile endeavour.

Conspiracy theorists fly into a curious panic whenever the Pentagon missile is mentioned. They nervously maintain that the plane was vapourised by it's exploding fuel load, and point to the WTC crash as evidence of this behavior. That's a wonderful fruit loop. Like an insect which has just been sprayed, running back and forth in its last mad death throes, they first argue that the reason the hole is so small is that the plane never entered the wall, having blown up outside, and then suddenly backflip to explain the 250 foot deep missile hole by saying that the plane disappeared all the way into the building, and then blew up inside the building - even though the building shows no sign of such damage. As for what happened to the wings - here's where they get really creative. The wings snapped off and folded into the fuselage which then carried them into the building, which then closed up behind the plane like a piece of meat.

When it suits them, they'll also claim that the plane slid in on its belly - ignoring the undamaged lawn - while at the same time citing alleged witnesses to the plane diving steeply into the building from an 'irrecoverable angle.' How they reconcile these two scenarios as being compatible is truly a study in stupidity.

Once they get desperate enough, you can be sure that the UFO conspiracy stuff will make an appearance. The Arabs are in league with the Martians. Space aliens snatched the remains of the Pentagon plane and fixed most of the hole in the wall, just to confuse people. They gave the Arabs invisibility pills to help get them onto the planes. Little green men were seen talking to Bin Laden a few weeks prior to the attacks.

As America gears up to impeach the traitor Bush, and stop his perpetual oil war, it's not helpful to have these idiots distracting from the process by spreading silly conspiracy theories about mythical Arabs, stories which do nothing but play into the hands of the extremist Bush regime.

At a less serious time, we might tolerate such crackpots with amused detachment, but they need to understand that the treachery that was perpetrated on September 11th, and the subsequent war crimes committed in 'retaliation' are far too serious for us to allow such frivolous self indulgence to go unchallenged.

Those who are truly addicted to conspiracy delusions should find a more appropriate outlet for their paranoia.

Its time to stop loony conspiracy theories about September 11th.


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[911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from Group: Blog Post about Michael B. Green


EXACTLY!

The ONLY thing that prevents you from seeing the ENTIRE PLANE, re-emerge, COMPLETELY INTACT IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM no less!!! is the massive explosion. Otherwise...you would be able to see the IMPOSSIBLE: a plane fly through steel & concrete and lose NONE of its original shape.


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> the ultimate "easter egg" is this video:
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/krash/
>
> btw, one can sort of see the plane emerge intact in this video, before
> it explodes:
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/saltergate/salterplane2.htm



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[911InsideJobbers] Re: Another 9/11 WTC Planted Witness

LOL

I guess the 9/11 perps decided not to let the lowly window washers in
on the scam! hehe

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> Yes, definitely WTC 7.
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> Funny they were cleaning the windows before it was to be demolished. :)
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> >
> > Bill Giltner wrote:
> > > He says his name is Eric Lerner (Learner?).
> > > I could not find a matching pic or other info with google.
> > >
> > > See video here:
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[911InsideJobbers] Re: Another 9/11 WTC Planted Witness


--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Bill Giltner
<bill.giltner@...> wrote:
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> He says his name is Eric Lerner (Learner?).
> I could not find a matching pic or other info with google.
>
> See video here:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4266798521868931180&q=wtc
>

This clown had his script down pat it seems.

...Claims "EVERYONE"! on 5th saw the "Plane"!??

EVERYONE!? How the fuck would he know what "Everyone" on an entire
avenue here in NYC saw!?? Give me a fucking break!

Even throws in the PNAC "Pearl Harbor" reference for added emotional
pull/effect.

Disgusting.


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mparent7777: Fact Sheet from U.S. Sen Russ Feingold on How the Patriot Act Deal with the White House Falls Short

mparent7777: Fact Sheet from U.S. Sen Russ Feingold on How the Patriot Act Deal with the White House Falls Short


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mparent7777: Statement of Senator Russ Feingold At the Pork-Barrel Reduction Act Press Conference

mparent7777: Statement of Senator Russ Feingold At the Pork-Barrel Reduction Act Press Conference


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mparent7777: White House spokesman gets razed over Bush's BS ''Liberty Tower'' story

mparent7777: White House spokesman gets razed over Bush's BS ''Liberty Tower'' story


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US plans massive data sweep | csmonitor.com

US plans massive data sweep csmonitor.com


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BELLACIAO - The Pipeline To War - Barry Chamish - Collective Bellaciao

BELLACIAO - The Pipeline To War - Barry Chamish - Collective Bellaciao


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BELLACIAO - The Pipeline To War - Barry Chamish - Collective Bellaciao

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BELLACIAO - How the USDA Gutted Federal Organic Food Standards - notepad - Collective Bellaciao

BELLACIAO - How the USDA Gutted Federal Organic Food Standards - notepad - Collective Bellaciao


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Shorter David Brooks

Bark Bark Woof Woof


It's been a while since I bothered to capsulate him, but his column for the Sunday Times is worth it because it proves -- as if there was any doubt -- that he is such a sanctimonious toady to the Bush administration. He also thinks it is far more important to have the illusion of bipartisanship as demonstrated by the "Gang of 14" that forestalled the "nuclear option" a year ago than it is to have the administration actually obey the law.
The Gang of 14 agreement [...] was a triumph. It preserved the traditions of the Senate. It lowered the ideological temperature. Most of all, it transformed what had been an abstract ideological feud about Senate procedures into a concrete exercise in democracy.[...]The Gang of 14 agreement was one of the political highlights of 2005 precisely because it punctured the ideological posturing and paved the way for a series of pragmatic judgments on a nomination-by-nomination basis.[...]But now we need the Gang of 14 back again, because another issue has ossified into abstract ideological debate. This is the issue of National Security Agency wiretapping.[...]Here's how you do it. You exempt searches covered by the Bush program from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. You give the intelligence committees oversight responsibilities for those programs. You toughen the penalties for anybody who dares to leak secrets about those programs. You let committee members know that if the United States is attacked, and they opposed programs that could have prevented that attack, then it will be their name in the headlines, their name going down in historical infamy.That kind of shared responsibility will induce a little seriousness. That will break through the abstract partisan warfare. Democratic senators know their party can't win elections if they continually position themselves as A.C.L.U. doves in security fights. Republican senators know they weren't elected just to serve as serfs and servants to the almighty executive.So it's all about appearances and "getting along," is it? Ignore the fact that the president authorized illegal wiretapping because it's an abstract ideological debate? Threaten the Senate with political blackmail if the Department of Homeland Security can't do it's job? Toughen penalties for leaking a program that was illegal in the first place? In other words, figure out a way to give the White House cover by blaming their massive incompetence, political troubles, and ideological warfare with people in their own party on those in the House and Senate who actually believe in the rule of law and demand something that is a completely foreign concept to people like Karl Rove: accountability. Yes, that's the way to get cooperative and pragmatic bipartisanship.


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aangirfan: Video shows British troops brutally beating Iraqi children inside military compound. Video shows corpse.

aangirfan: Video shows British troops brutally beating Iraqi children inside military compound. Video shows corpse.

A video, obtained by the News of the World and shown on BBC TV on 11 February 2006, shows a group of British soldiers brutally beating and kicking defenceless Iraqi teenagers in an army compound.According to The Guardian: 'There appears to be little doubt on the part of officials that it is genuine footage.' http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,,1708161,00.html

Managing editor of the News of the World, Stuart Kuttner said of the video: "we've satisfied ourselves that this an absolutely genuine article." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4705482.stmThe footage shows eight soldiers pulling four teenagers off the street and dragging them into their army base, before beating them with batons, as well as punching and kicking them.The Ministry of Defence issued the following statement: 'We are aware of these very serious allegations and can confirm that they are the subject of an urgent Royal Military Police investigation.'The video footage was given to the News of the World by a whistleblower.There have been investigations by MoD prosecutors into a series of serious allegations of abuse by its troops in southern Iraq.The video was shot from a rooftop in secret by a corporal.In one of the most brutal scenes, a soldier punches one of the prisoners in the head and the stomach. He is then headbutted and kicked further.Another scene shows a soldier walking up to one of the boys and kicking him hard between the legs from behind. The boy is seen doubling up in pain.In some of the worst footage, a prisoner is kicked in the back and the body six times by two soldiers. As he struggles on the floor, one of the soldiers grabs him again by the shoulder, kicks him twice and then begins to hit him on the legs with a baton.The video also shows footage of a soldier drawing back the blanket over an Iraqi corpse to display it close up to the camera as if it is a trophy.The informant is quoted as saying: 'These Iraqis were just kids. Most haven't even got shoes on.'The informant said the video had been shown by the corporal's friends at their home base in Europe. One of those colleagues reported its contents to the tabloid newspaper.The film is understood to have been taken in early 2004During the footage, the cameraman - filming from a rooftop - can be clearly heard encouraging his colleagues to abuse the four young prisoners. The cameraman is heard laughing and saying: "Oh yes! Oh Yes! You're gonna get it. Yes, naughty little boys. You little f***ers, you little f***ers. Die. Ha Ha."The attacks appear to be led by a sergeant.Britain went into Iraq to steal the oil and kill Iraqi children?The British military have links to fake terror?MoD to probe Iraq 'abuse' videoUK soldiers 'videoed beatings'British bombing of innocent Iraqis in the 1920s - to safeguard oil interests.How Britain invented terror bombing in 1920s Iraq
THE BRITISH ARMY - LONG HISTORY OF USING TORTURESaddam worked for the CIA'Trophy' video exposes private security contractors shooting up Iraqi driversDeath squads in Iraq http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=FUL20051110&articleId=1230Photos http://www.uruknet.com/?s1=55&p=17582&s2=09
Pictures'Americans disguised as Arabs try to set off bomb'."It was a booby-trapped car laden with ammunition and was meant to explode in the centre of the city of Basra in the popular market."Iraqi Interior Minister says the 2 British soldiers were not handed to any militia.'The so-called "insurgent" bombings are really being carried out by UK and US operatives'; the role of the Special Reconnaissance Regiment.


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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Poss. Evidence Al Qaeda not in existance prior 2001????

WF posted Bush's own voice stubbling over those famous words and considering it was after the attacks don't you think he was being flippant. "Bad pilot" - if you thought that at the time would anyone have said it after the event. I think it shows a lot about George Bush.
 
IMO the writer is so right with their opening comments. Bush was less tongue tied and found his footing when speaking of retaliation than showing sympathy for those who had lost their lives on 9/11.
 
One thing does seem odd though. Osama operated alone? Osama, a lone terrorist? If he was, or had been, an American asset why would he have been named at all? 2000 was during the Clinton presidency, wasn't it.
 
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Poss. Evidence Al Qaeda not in existance prior 2001????

From letsroll forum......
 
You ever heard of this?
 
 
Poss. Evidence Al Qaeda not in existance prior 2001????
 
 
 
 
"Late last year I found my own bit of evidence, thanks to my husband, who found an ROTC Air Force training manual that somebody had thrown away. It was published in the year 2000 and the name of the book is The World In Transition. There's a chapter in it, The Middle East in Transition. I read this chapter and noticed something quite odd. (Not that it surprised me...) All the Islamic terror groups are mentioned, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and a slew of 'em I never heard of.

Distinctly missing was one single mention of anything called al-Qaeda or al-Qaida.

Osama bin Laden got a sentence's worth of space and was described as the son of a wealthy Saudi family who "works alone".

I read through the rest of the book, cover to cover, and not one word on al-Qaeda. Wait a minute, I thought this was a vast terror network that had been training for years - that's what THEY told us. "


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[imra] Daily digest - Volume: 2 Issue: 1328 (12 messages)

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imra Sun Feb 12 04:21:53 2006 Volume 2 : Issue 1328

In this issue of the imra daily Digest:

Chaos: Hamas to form its own security agencies
Polls: Kadima 38-43 Labor 17-21
Likud 15-17 NRP/Nat'l Union 6-10
Egyptian Diplomat Released
[& Palestinian Centre for Human Rights press release]
Wolfensohn:["We have no conditions"]
Will Help PNA Overcome Financial Crisis
Putin Breaks Western Siege of Hamas, Israel Furious
Amir Oren: Danger if Egypt falls under the influence of fanatic
MEMRI: Unemployment in the Middle East - Causes and Consequences
Excerpts: Influential imam praises cartoon protestors.
Corruption caused ship disaster.11 February 2006
Leftist poet Chaim Guri: Palestinian trees humanitarian
concern, Jewish evacuees politics
US prepares military blitz against Iran's nuclear sites
Jihad: Our new rocket more lethal
THE AIPAC CASE: CRIMINALIZING PUBLIC SPEECH

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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Chaos: Hamas to form its own security agencies

Chaos: Hamas to form its own security agencies
www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/06/front2453776.0180555554.html
SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Thursday, February 9, 2006

RAMALLAH - Hamas plans to form its own security agencies to operate
parallel to those of the Palestinian Authority.

"The PA does not want us to enter the security agencies," a senior Hamas
operative said. "So, we will create our own agencies."

The operatives said Hamas would not encounter a problem in funding its
security programs. They said Iran has relayed commitments to help Hamas
establish security agencies and fill any funding shortfall as a result of
a cutoff from the West.

PA security officials said they would not accept Hamas fighters unless
they fulfill requirement standards. The officials said even Hamas
insurgency commanders must start at the entry level. "We will have final
authority to accept who we allow in the security forces," a senior PA
commander said. "If we give this up, then Hamas is in complete charge."

The Islamic movement has not conceded on plans to take over PA security
agencies. They said Hamas expects to control several PA security agencies
once it leads a government.

"We expect the Hamas-led government to control the security services which
according to the law fall under the responsibility of the minister of
interior," said Hamas spokesman Mushir Al Masri, said. [The Jerusalem
District Court has awarded a $20 million judgement to victims of a Hamas
attack in 2002. This was the first time Hamas was sucessfully sued in an
Israeli court. It was not clear how the judgement would be implemented as
Hamas does not have assets in Israel.] At the same time, Hamas operatives
said thousands of trained fighters would be recruited for police and
security positions in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. They said the Hamas
troops would ensure internal security and defend against Israeli attacks.

The senior operative said the Islamic fighters would launch operations
that have been avoided by the PA. He cited anti-crime missions as well as
the battle against drugs and corruption.

Hamas was even prepared to halt unauthorized Palestinian missile strikes
against Israel. The senior operative said Hamas forces would arrest Fatah,
Islamic Jihad and other gunners who violate the so- called calm, or
Tahadiya, with Israel. Over the last week, Fatah has increased attacks
against Israel.

Since the Jan. 25 Hamas victory in the Palestinian Legislative Council
elections, PA security agencies have fallen in disarray. Palestinian
sources said the only security agency still operating as normal is the
traffic police.

Hamas said commanders have been drafting plans to organize security
intelligence agencies. Operatives said Hamas, which has weapons production
facilities, could quickly assume control over the entire Gaza Strip.

"We don't need the PA weapons," another Hamas operative said. "We have
enough factories to produce all the weapons and munitions we need." [On
Thursday, Israeli soldiers killed two Palestinian infiltrators along the
Gaza-Israel border. The infiltrators were said to have attacked the Karni
border terminal, which processes cargo to and from the Gaza Strip.]

[On Thursday, Israel reported that the PA released scores of Islamic Jihad
and other insurgents since the Hamas victory. Officials said 35 Jihad
insurgents convicted of security offenses were released from Jericho
prison.]

On Thursday, an Egyptian diplomat was abducted by suspected Fatah gunmen
in Gaza City. The Egyptian was identified as Hossam Musseli, who worked as
a military adviser in the Egyptian mission in the Gaza Strip.

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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Polls: Kadima 38-43 Labor 17-21
Likud 15-17 NRP/Nat'l Union 6-10

Polls: Kadima 38-43 Labor 17-21 Likud 15-17 NRP/Nat'l Union 6-10
Aaron Lerner Date: 10 February 2006

#1 Telephone poll of a representative sample of adult Israelis (including
Arab Israelis) carried out by Maagar Mohot ("Brain Trust") for Makor
Rishon - survey date not indicated - published in Makor Rishon on 10
February 2006

#2 Telephone poll of a representative sample of 509 adult Israelis
(including Arab Israelis) carried out by Geocartographia for Israel Radio's
"Its all Talk" on 8 February 2006

#3 Telephone poll of a representative sample of 500 adult Israelis
(including Arab Israelis) carried out by Teleseker for Maariv on 8 February
2006 - published in Maariv on 10 February 2006 [NRP and National Union was
separate]

#4 Telephone poll of a representative sample of adult Israelis (including
Arab Israelis) carried out by Dialogue for Haaretz/Channel 10 week of 8
February 2006 - published in Haaretz on 9 February 2006 [NRP and National
Union was separate]

#5 Telephone poll of a representative sample of adult Israelis (including
Arab Israelis) carried out by Dahaf for Yediot Achronot week of 8 February
2006 - published in Yediot Ahronot on 10 February 2006 [NRP and National
Union was separate]

#6 Telephone poll of a representative sample of adult Israelis (including
Arab Israelis) carried out for The Jerusalem Post on 7 February 2006 -
published in The Jerusalem Post on 10 February 2006

Knesset election vote expressed in mandates[current in brackets]
#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6
39 38 40 40 43 40.5 [00] Kadima
16 15 15 15 15 17 [40] Likud
19 17 21 21 20 17 [22] Labor
00 00 00 00 00 00 [15] Shinui (both the party and the break-away "Secular
Zionist Party")
09 09 09 10 11 08.5 [11] Shas
08 09 08 09 08 09.0 [08] Arab parties
06 05 06 05 05 04 [06] Yachad [Meretz]
10 09 09 08 06 07.5 [07* &amp; 6] National Union & NRP
07 08 07 05 06 07.5 [07*] Yisrael Beiteinu [Lieberman]
06 06 05 07 06 05.5 [05] Yahadut Hatorah
00 00 00 00 00 00 [00] Green Leaf (legalize hashish)
00 04 00 00 00 00 [00] Undecided
* National Union & Yisrael Beiteinu together have 7 seats

Dahaf also asked: "Should Israel also separate from most of the
Palestinians also by unilateral withdrawals?
Yes 59% No 37%

In sharp contrast:

Are you for or against significant unilateral withdrawals from Judea and
Samaria if after the elections it becomes clear that the PA doesn't fight
terror and it is not possible to advance in accordance with the Road Map"
For 35% Against 50% Other 15%
Telephone poll of a representative sample of 624 adult Israelis (including
Israeli Arabs) 5-6 February 2006 by Maagar Mohot Survey Institute
(headed by Professor Yitzchak Katz commissioned by the Zionist Organization
of America - ZOA

Dahaf: Should a state investigating commission be established to examine the
events at Amona?
Yes 54% No 43%

Teleseker also asked: If Kadima wins in the elections, what coalition would
you like it to form?

Kadima/Labor/Meretz 37.3% Kadima/Likud/Shas/Yahadut Hatorah 28.9%
Kadima/Labor/Likud 24.5% Other 9.3%

Dr. Aaron Lerner, Director IMRA (Independent Media Review & Analysis)
(mail POB 982 Kfar Sava)
Tel 972-9-7604719/Fax 972-3-7255730
INTERNET ADDRESS: imra@netvision.net.il
Website: http://www.imra.org.il

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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Egyptian Diplomat Released
[& Palestinian Centre for Human Rights press release]

Egyptian Diplomat Released
http://english.wafa.ps/body.asp?id=5355

GAZA, February 11, 2006 (WAFA-PLO news agency) - The Ministry of Interior
(MOI) announced Saturday that the Egyptian Diplomat Hussam al-Mously
released.

In a statement, the ministry added that the diplomat is released after being
kidnapped last Thursday by gunmen, called themselves "al-Ahrar Brigade"
asserting that he is in a good health and unharmed.

E.B. (14:00 P) (12:00 GMT)

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Egyptian Diplomat Kidnapped in Gaza

PCHR
Palestinian Centre for Human Rights

Press Release

Ref: 21/2006

Date: 10 February 2006

Time: 10:00 GMT

Egyptian Diplomat Kidnapped in Gaza

- PCHR strongly condemns the kidnapping of the Egyptian
diplomat, Husam El-Mousili, in Gaza on 9 February 2006. This crime is
another in a series of organized crimes, which have undermined the rule of
law in the OPT, particularly since the announcement of the Palestinian
Legislative Council (PLC) election results. Similar crimes were carried out
prior to the elections but failed to undermine or delay the elections.

PCHR's initial investigations indicate that on Thursday, 9 February 2006,
unidentified gunmen travelling in a "Volkswagen" stopped the car of the
Egyptian diplomat, Husam El-Mousili, in Gaza city. They forced him out of
the car and took him to an unknown location. The diplomat was on his way to
work in the Egyptian Representative Office in Gaza City, near the Ministry
of Social Affairs in Thawra Street. The kidnapping took place near the
Representative Office and the identity of the kidnappers remains unknown.

This crime is connected to a series of crimes, which have undermined the
rule of law in the OPT and have added to the general security chaos that
exists, particularly in the Gaza Strip. These crimes have increased since
the announcement of the results of the PLC elections, which were held on 25
January 2006. The Centre views these crimes as an organized and intentional
attempt to undermine the results of the elections. Furthermore, these
crimes are an extension of similar crimes that preceded the elections, with
the aim of undermining or delaying them.

The kidnapping coincided with an attack by scores of gunmen against the
Ministry of Finance building in Gaza City. At approximately 22:00, fifty
gunmen working in the Palestinian security forces demonstrated in front of
the Ministry of Finance, to protest against the delay in payment of their
salaries. They burned tires during the demonstrations and broke into the
building. PCHR has learned that these gunmen were hired to work in the
security services 4 months ago but have only received salaries for one
month. Their names were not listed in the last payroll list. The gunmen
threatened to hold another demonstration on Saturday, 11 February, if their
salaries were not paid.

PCHR has observed scores of attacks over the past two weeks. They have
included attacks against European diplomatic missions and cultural centres
in Gaza City, under the pretext of protesting against the cartoons
slandering Prophet Mohammad that were published in European newspapers. The
EU mission headquarters in Gaza City was subject to an attack on 1 February,
at the hands of gunmen from the "Al-Yasir Brigades," affiliated with Fatah.
The gunmen climbed to the roof of the building, fired into the air, ordered
the closure of the building and threatened to kidnap Danish and Norwegian
nationals, if their countries did not issue an apology. And on 2 February
2006, a group of gunmen from the "Ahmad Abu El-Riesh Brigades," affiliated
with Fatah, attacked the French Cultural Centre in Gaza City. They smashed
a sign at the entrance of the centre and fired into the air. Later that
night, unidentified assailants threw a hand grenade at the centre, which
also includes a consular section. No damage was reported. And on 4
February 2006, a number of school children threw stones at the EU mission
headquarters and the German Cultural Centre in Gaza City.

Also as part of the ongoing escalation of crimes against the rule of law
after the elections, civilians have been vandalizing agricultural
greenhouses and other property of the "Agricultural Land Development
Project". This project runs the greenhouses in the evacuated Israeli
settlements in the southern Gaza Strip. These attacks were carried out
under the protection of armed gunmen. According to the PCHR's
investigations, these attacks reached their height on Sunday and Monday (5,
6 February, 2006), when scores of people dismantled a number of greenhouse
units in the former settlement of Gan Or. These actions were perpetrated
under the protection of Palestinian gunmen.

And on Thursday, 9 February 2006, five civilians were injured in an exchange
of fire between members of El-Sheikh Eid family in Awda square in Rafah.
The confrontations took place against the backdrop of earlier problems that
took place a few months ago, which led to the death of one and the injury of
others. Three female school students were injured in the clashes that took
place on 9 February 2006.

PCHR condemns the kidnapping of the Egyptian diplomat, and:

- Holds the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) fully responsible
for the continuation of kidnapping crimes, due to its failure to pursue the
perpetrators and bring them to justice.

- Calls upon the PNA to take serious and firm action, within the
limits of Palestinian Law and International Human Rights Law, against the
security chaos and repeated crimes which undermine the rule of law.

- Calls upon all national and Islamic parties to confront these
crimes and condemn them and to work towards establishing the rule of law.

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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Wolfensohn:["We have no conditions"]
Will Help PNA Overcome Financial Crisis

Wolfensohn: Will Help PNA Overcome Financial Crisis
www.ipc.gov.ps/ipc_new/english/details.asp?name=13560

GAZA, February 11, 2006 (IPC + Agencies) -[Official PA website] - The
international Quartet Committee's special envoy for Israeli disengagement,
James Wolfensohn, announced that he will work on helping the Palestinian
National Authority (PNA) past its current financial crisis, as the European
Union's Higher Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy Javier
Solana prepares for a visit to the region in mid-February.

Following a meeting with President Mahmoud Abbas at the presidential
premises in Ramallah City, Wolfensohn said that he will help the PNA
overcome its financial problems.

"I have listened to the President about how to move along in light of this
new situation," Wolfensohn said, referring to the victory of Hamas movement
in the latest Palestinian legislative elections.

As for the PNA's tax revenues, which were frozen by Israel over the past two
weeks, the Quartet's envoy pointed out that this is up to the agreements
signed with the Israeli government.

In response to a question about the pressure being exercised on Palestinians
about financial aid and a Hamas-formed government, Wolfensohn commented by
saying, "we have no conditions."

The PNA faces a budget deficit of $700 million, as it fights to provide
monthly salaries for its employees, which are estimated at about $100
million each month.

On the other hand, Javier Solana, the EU's Higher Representative for CFSP
declared that he will visit the Palestinian territories as part of a tour in
the Middle East region.

"Mr. Solana will visit the Middle East from February 13-16, and will meet
President Mahmoud Abbas to discuss the Palestinian situations after the
legislative elections and their reflection on the entire peace process in
the region," a statement from Solana's office stated.

The EU representative will also visit Israel, where he'll meet with the
Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni.

This tour comes after the shockwave created by the publication of cartoons
offending Prophet Mohammed (Pbuh) in the Arab and Muslim world. The
statement further noted that Solana will emphasize in his tour, which
includes several Arab states, on the close relations between the European
Union and the Islamic countries.

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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Putin Breaks Western Siege of Hamas, Israel Furious

Putin Breaks Western Siege of Hamas, Israel Furious
France Agrees, EU Divided and US Seeks Russian Clarifications
11/02/2006

Palestine Media Center - PMC
www.palestine-pmc.com/details.asp?cat=1&id=1092

The Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday invited Hamas to Moscow,
thus breaking the Israeli and US-led Western diplomatic siege of the Islamic
Resistance Movement, which won the Palestinian January 25 legislative
elections in a landslide, creating a political crisis with Israel, a rift
with the co-members of the Middle East Quartet and cracks in the anti-Hamas
pro-Israeli ranks, though he warned that "it is necessary (for Hamas) to
leave behind the extremist positions, to recognize Israel's right to exist
and to have relations with the international community."

Senior Hamas official Ismail Haniyeh, who topped the Islamic movement's
national list of "Change and Reform" in the parliamentary elections, said
that leaders of the group, "would be delighted" to visit Russia if Putin
tendered a formal invitation.

On January 31, Putin told Russian and foreign media at the Kremlin, Moscow:
"Our position concerning Hamas differs from the American and western
European positions. The foreign ministry of the Russian Federation never
declared that Hamas is a terrorist organization."

However he said: "But this does not mean that we approve and support
everything that Hamas does and all the declarations that they have made
recently," adding: "It is necessary to leave behind the extremist positions,
to recognize Israel's right to exist and to have relations with the
international community."

On Thursday, Putin invited leaders of Hamas to visit Moscow, reportedly
during mid-February. "Having maintained our contacts with the organization
Hamas, we intend to invite their leaders to Moscow in the near future to
search for solutions," Putin said.

Explaining his decision during a visit to Spain the Russian leader told
reporters in Madrid: "Hamas came to power ... as a result of democratic,
legitimate elections, and we must respect the choice of the Palestinian
people."

Putin's defense minister, Sergei Ivanov, on Friday added that "leading
states" will follow the Russian lead. "Sometime in the future, many leading
states will start supporting Hamas and have some contacts," he said.

Russia's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mikhail Kamynin, further explained his
leader's goals on Thursday. Russia wants "to maintain the peace process on
the basis of the roadmap and to continue seeking solutions that are
acceptable to Palestine, Israel and the international community," he said.

Russia's special Middle East envoy, Alexander Kalugin, said Russia would
attempt to convince Hamas to take up peaceful dialogue, and to recognize
Israel's right to exist.

"We want them to respect all of the past agreements to avoid terror
attacks," Kalugin told the Russian news agency Interfax, adding: "Of
course, it is also necessary to embark on the road toward recognition of
Israel 's right to exist."

Russia is a member of the so-called Quartet of Mideast peace negotiators
that also includes the United States, the United Nations and the European
Union. The Quartet drafted and sponsored the June 2003 "roadmap" peace plan,
which was later adopted by the UN General Assembly and calls on the
Palestinians to renounce violence and disarm anti-Israeli occupation groups
like Hamas.

Kalugin said that in talks with Hamas , Russia "will help promote the
principles agreed upon by the Quartet." and "will suggest that Hamas change
its position at a meeting with representatives from the group," the AP
reported.

US Seeking Russian Explanations

The fourth member of the Quartet, the United States, steered clear of
criticizing Russian President for inviting Hamas, rejected the notion that
Putin's remarks undermine the unity or power of the Quartet, and requested
clarifications from Moscow.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice telephoned Russian Foreign Minister
Sergei Lavrov on Friday to discuss Moscow's surprise plans to invite
Palestinian election winner Hamas for talks.

The US ambassador in Russia, William J. Burns, has requested clarification
of the message Putin intends to give to the Hamas officials, State
Department spokesman, Sean McCormack, told reporters on Friday.

Washington considered Putin's decision a "sovereign" practice.

But State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said: "We have been assured
that should the Russian government meet with Hamas, that they would send
that -- that the meeting would be with the intent of sending that clear,
strong message," that Hamas disarms, recognizes Israel, and commits to
previous Palestinian - Israeli accords.

"Certainly, we are not going to have any contact with a terrorist
organization. But as for each state, they are going to have to make that
sovereign decision," McCormack said in Washington.

He rejected the notion that Putin's remarks would undermine the Quartet's
unity. "As a member of the Quartet, we would certainly expect that Russia
would deliver that same message," McCormack said.

The top US diplomat for the Middle East, David Welch, noted that Russia had
agreed to demand Hamas recognize Israel, disarm, renounce violence and keep
to previous Palestinian accords with Israel.

"We would expect that any meeting that occurs with any Palestinian
representatives, including Hamas, would emphasize these principles," Welch
told a news conference. "That should be the approach of any country -- that
is, to drive home what is agreed internationally," he added.

Rift in Quartet, Cracks in EU

Putin's invitation to Hamas revealed cracks in the unified stance of the
Quartet as shown by their statement after their meeting in London in
December.

UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan has urged the international community to
give Hamas time to change its ways before ruling it out as a partner.

"We are at a very early stage of the game," Annan told reporters in New
York.

"Hamas won the election but they have never been in government. They need
time to organize themselves," he said.

Annan also told Hamas to listen to the warnings of the international
community, to take upon itself the commitments of the Palestinian National
Authority (PNA), and to abandon the path of violence and to recognize
Israel.

Meanwhile, Putin's invitation also led to differences among the members of
the European Union, another Quartet member.

France, in an apparent break with the United States, has signaled support
for the Russian meeting and said such talks might advance the position of
the Quartet.

"We share with Russia the goal to bring Hamas to the positions which allow
us to reach the goal of two states living in peace and security," French
Foreign Ministry spokesman, Denis Simonneau, told reporters in Paris on
Friday, but indicated at the same time that Russia had not informed European
leaders of its intent to talk with Hamas.

"As long as we remain within the framework of the goals and principles that
we have set for ourselves, we consider that this (Russian) initiative can
contribute to advancing our positions," he explained.

Separately German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier of Germany is
expected in Israel and the Palestinian territories on Sunday, but a German
official insisted, "He is definitely not going to talk to Hamas."

EU hopeful and NATO member, Turkey, has announced Ankara will deal with
Hamas both as a "party" and as a government.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday said he would invite
Hamas in his capacity as a party leader, but when the Islamic Movement
assumes power he'll invite it officially as he had invited previous
Palestinian government officials.

However the EU Austrian presidency has a completely different point of view.

On Friday, EU president Austria in a statement criticized Iranian President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for meeting in Syria with "Palestinian terrorist groups"
and called on Iran to end such contacts, according to AFP.

Austria called "upon Iran to end such links," the statement said, adding:
"The (Austrian EU) Presidency also called upon Iran to join the
international consensus on the need for a two state solution to the Middle
East conflict."

Ahmadinejad met on January 20 in Damascus with the leaders of ten
Palestinian movements including the Islamic Jihad and Hamas.

Iran rejected the EU "intervention" in its affairs. Austria's statement is
"an intervention in internal affairs of Iran and unacceptable," IRNA quoted
Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Hamid-Reza Asefi, as saying.

"What is ugly and unpleasant both rationally and logically is contact and
ties with the 'Zionist' regime that has been violating rights of the
Palestinian people and is a source of threat and instability in the Middle
East," Asefi said.

Israel: A Slap in the Face, a Stab in the Back

Meanwhile the Israeli reaction to Putin's move was furious, accusing Moscow
of stabbing Israel in the back and slapping Western countries in the face.

Moshe Katsav, Israel's president, said the Russian move endangered the peace
process in the Middle East.

Israel's Foreign Minister, Tzipi Livni, on Friday criticized Russia's plan
to invite Hamas leaders to Moscow, saying it undercut international pressure
on Hamas to recognize Israel.

In an interview with the New York Sun, the foreign minister warned during a
visit to the United States of a "slippery slope" embarked upon by Russia,
which could grant legitimacy and compromise with Hamas.

"I don't know if it's a bad idea for him," a flustered Israeli Foreign
Minister Tzipi Livni said of Vladimir Putin. "I think it's a bad idea."

"There is a tendency sometimes among some in the international community to
try and understand, to reach agreements, to take a backward step," the
Israeli foreign minister added.

Separately, speaking on Israel Radio, Israeli cabinet minister of education,
Meir Sheetrit, accused Putin of "stabbing Israel in the back."

Russia "cannot fill any position regarding negotiations with the
Palestinians" unless it changes its position on Hamas, Sheetrit told Israel
Radio.

Sheetrit, a leading member of the Kadima party, also recalled Russia's
support of the Arab bloc during the Cold War, saying Putin's comments show
that "Russia is returning to the mistakes of the past."

Senior Israeli officials said Israel was seeking a full explanation from
Russia's ambassador to the Jewish state, and from other top Russian
officials.

"It's not just a slap in the face to Israel. It's a slap in the face to
Western countries," said one Israeli official, speaking on condition of
anonymity because talks with Russia were ongoing. "We are waiting for an
explanation."

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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Amir Oren: Danger if Egypt falls under the influence of fanatic

Triple threat to NATO

By Amir Oren Haaretz 11 February 2006
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=681100&contrassID=2&subContrassID=15&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

... If Iran's supreme religious leader, Ali Khamenei, succeeds in helping
put a new Nasser into power in Egypt, and this time of the uncompromising
Islamic type, the shift there might carry the entire region into an
anti-West posture.

Twice in the past month the IDF's GOC Southern Command, Major General Yoav
Galant, has utilized internal forums to warn against cuts in the armored
forces in general and in his sector in particular. Galant convened senior
officers, many of them reservists, for a seminar on Egypt at Ben-Gurion
University of the Negev in Be'er Sheva. The experts who addressed the
officers mentioned a series of dangers - political, economic, demographic.
If there is "an iota of an iota of risk" that Egyptian policy will change
along with the regime, Galant warned in his summation, Israel must be
prepared for this.

Galant is currently in the minority. Mofaz, as the political figure whose
task it is to give the defense establishment directives, did not adopt
Galant's view; nor would it have been polite to do so on the eve of meetings
with senior officials from Egypt and other Arab states in Taormina. But it
is wrong simply to shrug off the apprehension that after three decades of
peace with Egypt, with its strategic advantages, the strongest Arab army is
liable to fall under the influence of fanatic Islam. When NATO officials
speak - very guardedly - about the looming need to take action against the
Tehran regime, as distinct from the Iranian nation, they are referring also
to these kinds of gloomy scenarios.

In order to avoid them, the Americans, if pressed, are capable of doing what
is contrary to their declarations and, it would seem, to their principles as
well: to reach a practical compromise with Tehran. As described by Peter
Robb in his book "Midnight in Sicily," which skirts Taormina and focuses on
Palermo in the northwest of the island, the U.S. Armed Forces drew on the
aid of the Mafia against Hitler and Mussolini, and against the Soviets was
assisted by Italy's right wing, which also hooked up with the Mafia. The
Americans are not against a deal with the devil, as long as he keeps his
word and does his part.

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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: MEMRI: Unemployment in the Middle East - Causes and Consequences

Inquiry & Analysis - Economic Studies
February 10, 2006
No. 265

Unemployment in the Middle East - Causes and Consequences

By Dr. Nimrod Raphaeli*

Introduction

The International Labour Office (ILO) in Geneva, a specialized agency of the
United Nations, recently issued its annual World Employment Report 2004-2005
(Employment, Productivity and Poverty Reduction).

The report finds that, despite a robust economic growth in 2005, the number
of unemployed people worldwide climbed to new heights in 2005. According to
the report, the total number of jobless stood at 191.8 million people at the
end of 2005, an increase of 2.2 million since 2004 and 34.4 million since
1995.

Young people aged 15 to 24 comprise almost half of the world's unemployed
and are more than three times as likely as "adults" to be out of work. The
ILO called this figure "troublesome," given that youth make up only 25 per
cent of the working age population.(1)

In terms of focus, the report brings together "three linked themes":
employment, productivity and poverty reduction.

Unemployment in MENA - The Highest Rate in the World

The Middle East and North Africa [MENA](2) stands out as the region with the
highest rate of unemployment in the world. With an unemployment rate of 13.2
percent, the Middle East is ahead of sub-Saharan Africa, the poorest region
in the world, which has the second highest rate of unemployment, 9.7
percent. The Arab League Economic Unity Council estimates unemployment in
the Middle East (members of the Arab League only) at 20 percent. The number
of unemployed people in MENA is particularly puzzling because the oil
producing countries employ 7-8 million expatriate workers transmitting
perhaps as much as $22 billion a year.

The following table (to see table, visit:
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=IA26506 ) adapted from ILO Table 1,
page 23, provides data on unemployment, employment to population ratio, and
Gross Domestic Product (GDP) as well as a perspective in MENA within the
broader global context.

Employment to Population Ratios

Employment to population ratio is a measure of the percentage of working-age
population who are employed. Although MENA has registered a notable increase
in this measurement, it has remained the lowest in the world, with 45.4 in
1993, and increasing only slightly to 46.4 a decade later. The latter figure
contrasts with a ratio of 62.5 worldwide and a ratio of 57.0 in densely
populated South Asia.(3)

The little increase in MENA reflects changes in women's employment. The
ratio for women, which increased from 20.4 in 1993 to 23.5 in 2003,
indicates fewer social and cultural restrictions on women's employment,
although the ratio of 23.5 remains the lowest in the world.(4) The figure
for males, by contrast, has remained relatively constant (69.6 in 1993 and
68.6 in 2003).

Working Poverty in MENA

The ILO developed the concept of "working poverty" to cover those who work
but do not earn enough to lift themselves and their families above the $1-
or $2-a-day poverty line.(5) In terms of $1-a-day and $2-a-day poverty data,
the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) fares much better than most other
regions in the world. The report does indicate, however, that the incidence
of working poverty is much higher in the non-oil producing countries than in
the oil-producing countries.(6) Nevertheless, to halve $1 a day working
poverty by 2015, the GDP must grow at 4-5 percent a year. To halve the $2 a
day working poverty by 2015, the GDP must grow by 8-10 percent a year.(7)
This rate of growth will not be easy to achieve without profound structural
reforms in both the economy and polity of most countries involved, in
particular the non-oil producing countries.

Low Productivity of Workers

The table printed above provides other startling data. While GDP in MENA
registered an annual increase of 5.5 percent in 1993-2003, which is the
second highest in the world, productivity, which measures how efficiently
resources are used, increased by about 0.1 percent annually during the same
period (for total of 0.9 percent over the last 10 years) which is better
only than sub-Saharan Africa, which registered negative productivity.(8) It
is only one-tenth of world average productivity increase of a little more
than 1 per cent per annum.

MENA is the only region where productivity has not moved in tandem with GDP.
The explanation for this unusual pattern is that the GDP growth was fueled
primarily by the increases in oil revenues accompanied, according to the ILO
report, by "stagnant productivity." It is a perfect example, the ILO says,
of why in the long term, "decent employment creation and productivity growth
have to go hand in hand with GDP growth. Only then will economic growth lead
to poverty reduction."(9) By contrast, East Asia has managed to benefit from
"the virtuous cycle" of productivity growth, employment generation, and GDP
growth.(10)

The report does make a distinction in the level of productivity between oil-
and non-oil producing countries. Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates
have a much higher productivity than non-oil producing countries such as
Egypt, Morocco and Yemen.(11) What the report fails to mention is that the
above-average higher productivity in the two oil-producing countries can at
least be attributed to emigrant labor from South and East Asia who, like
most migrant workers, are often highly motivated, and hence productive, as
they seek to maximize their income during the life of their often fixed-term
contract with their employers.

Notable Features About Middle East and North Africa

The most significant feature is the structure of the population. MENA is
characterized by its growing young population, with 37 percent below the age
of 15 years in 2000, and 58 percent below the age of 25 years.(12) The
working-age population is increasing by three percent a year. The biggest
challenge facing policy makers in the region is the high rate of youth
unemployment, estimated at 25.6 percent in 2003, which is the highest in the
world. Although fertility rate (births per woman) in the region may be
declining, it is still higher than in other developing countries, and there
is the concern that population growth could outpace economic growth.(13)

The unemployment rate of the MENA region has been hovering around the 13 per
cent mark for the last decade. According to the ILO report this steady rate
of unemployment reflects an average of 500,000 of additional unemployed per
year. The increase in employment is not enough to absorb all those who enter
the labor market annually. In May 2005, Taleb Rifa'i, regional director of
ILO, asserted that the high rate of unemployment in the Arab world, which at
one estimate reached 20 percent, will ultimately result in a state of
underemployment, as most people will be forced to take up jobs for low
compensation packages that do not suit their qualifications, and will
further result in increased poverty.(14)

High Rate of Unemployment in the Arab Countries

Ahmad Gowaili, secretary-general of the Arab League Economic Unity Council,
referred to an unemployment rate of 20 percent in the Arab countries.
According to Gowaili, this percentage is translated into 22 million
unemployed, of whom 60 percent are youth. This figure, he added, is likely
to increase by three percent annually. He attributes the main cause of
unemployment to the failure in most Arab countries to link educational
orientation to the labor market requirements. (15)

The Challenge for Policy Makers

Apart from addressing the high unemployment rate among their youth, the
other challenge for policy makers in MENA is to insure that the share of
people working but still not being able to lift themselves and their
families above $2 a day should be brought down. To reduce the unemployment
by half in 2015, MENA needs GDP growth rates much higher than the historical
growth rates of 3.5 percent.(16)

Experience elsewhere suggests that to achieve such a steady and high rate of
growth with a corresponding rate of employment, it would be necessary to
shift workers from a low productive employment, and from what the
director-general of ILO called "the urban alleyways" of many cities in the
region, into a more knowledge-based production of high value-added
commodities. The shift to a more knowledge-based employment is also dictated
by the limited prospects of increasing the scope of agriculture in most Arab
countries. The Economic Unity Council of the Arab League points out that the
Arab countries occupy 10 percent of the world territory, five percent of the
world population, but only 0.5 percent of its water resources.(17) In fact,
the Arab countries already import food commodities worth $15 billion, and
rising.(18)

To reach a higher level of knowledge base, the Arab countries in the region
would need to invest more in Research and Development (R&D). The Economic
Unity Council of the Arab League estimates that the Arab countries spent
0.24 percent of their GNP on R&D.(19) Figures available elsewhere for
individual countries show the big gap between the highest rated country in
the world, Norway, with 1.6 percent of GNP in R&D, and Egypt, among the
lowest, with 0.2 percent of GNP spent on R&D. In between are Israel with 0.9
percent; Qatar, 0.7 percent; and Jordan and Tunisia, 0.3 percent.(20)

The Arab countries in MENA would also need to attract foreign direct
investment (FDI). These countries remain the least attractive to FDI,
acquiring only between one to three percent of total FDI, because of
inhospitable environment for foreign-dominated businesses, various
restrictions on foreign exchange, inefficient labor market, absence of an
adequate commercial code, and stifling bureaucracy. Above all, there is a
psychological mindset that equates globalization with imperialism: Instead
of seeking to bring its benefits to their countries, many Arab intellectuals
treat it with suspicion and mistrust. Hence has emerged the contrast whereby
in 2005 China attracted $62 billion in FDI, against $6 billion in Arab
countries - a lot of which went into the oil and gas sector.

The Consequences of High Rates of Unemployment

With a persistently high level of unemployment, many educated young Arabs
are seeking opportunities outside their countries. In doing so, they seek to
escape the obligation to accept jobs outside their specialization,
inadequate scientific and technological infrastructure, low income
opportunities for the highly skilled, and political instability or political
oppression in the native countries; and they seek to gain opportunities for
entrepreneurship with minimal bureaucratic constraints.(21)

Among the lower skilled, migrations may be tied to the serious phenomena of
human trafficking and grave physical risks. It is common nowadays to read
about boats loaded with illegal workers sinking on the way from North Africa
to southern Europe. Moreover, as a result of a high rate of unemployment,
"different forms of passive and active violence are on the upswing reducing
the spaces for dialogue, conflict resolution and consensus building."(22)

Conclusion

Like any other commodity, oil is subject to price fluctuations, and these
are often pretty sharp. A declining oil price with a high unemployment rate
is, in the words of Augusto Lopez Claros, chief economist of the World
Economic Forum, "a lethal combination."(23)

In the words of ILO Director General Juan Somavia, "the world is facing a
global jobs crisis of mammoth proportions, and a deficit in decent work that
isn't going to go away by itself." Clearly, the statement is particularly
pertinent to the situation in MENA, and especially to the Arab countries in
that region.

Unemployment is a grave source of hopelessness, and hopelessness drives
people to extremes. This was clearly demonstrated in the twentieth century
in the rise of Nazism and Fascism. Unemployment has the great potential of
being a source of political instability and even violence, and it is to no
one's advantage to treat this economic dislocation with equanimity.

Klaus Schwab, the president of the World Economic Forum, warned that
unemployment in the Middle East was "a time bomb" that would require the
creation of 100 million new jobs in the next 10 years to defuse it.(24)

* Dr. Nimrod Raphaeli is Senior Analyst of MEMRI's Middle East Economic
Studies Program.

Endnotes:
(1) A statement by ILO director-general at the World Economic Forum in
Davos, Switzerland, January 25, 2006.
(2) The Middle Eastern and North African countries covered in the report
are: Bahrain, Djibouti, Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq, Israel, Jordan,
Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Syrian Arab Republic,
United Arab Emirates, West Bank and Gaza Strip, and Yemen; the North
African countries include Algeria, Egypt, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Morocco,
Sudan, Tunisia.
(3) ILO Report, Table 1.3, p.27.
(4) Ibid., p.56.
(5) ILO Report, p.26.
(6) Ibid., p. 56.
(7) Ibid., p.32, table 1.4.
(8) Ibid., p.56.
(9) Ibid., p.30.
(10) Ibid., p.31.
(11) Ibid. pp. 57-58.
(12) According to the study by UNDP, the percentage of population under 15
in 1999 stood as follows in selected countries: UAE (26.7); Libya (34.7);
Egypt (36.0); Iran (38.7); Jordan (40.2); Syria (41.7); and Saudi Arabia
(43.4). Op. cit., pp.52-53.
(13) Ibid., p.56.
(14) People's Daily Online, May 8, 2005. The unemployment rate of 20 percent
in the Arab countries was stated by Ahmed Gowaili, secretary-general of the
Arab League Economic Unity Council. Al-Ahram (Egypt), January 26, 2006
(15) World Tribune.com (February 10, 2003) and Al-Ahram (Egypt), January 26,
2006.
(16) ILO Report, p.58.
(17) Al-Ahram (Egypt), January 26, 2006.
(18) Loc. cit.
(19) Loc. cit.
(20) UNDP,pp.52-53.
(21) ILO Report, p.61.
(22) "Dealing with the Global Jobs Crisis," opinion piece by Juan Somavia,
director-general of International Labour Office, January 25, 2006.
(23) Tehran Times (Iran), April 5, 2005.
(24) Al-Hayat (London), February 10, 2006.

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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Excerpts: Influential imam praises cartoon protestors.
Corruption caused ship disaster.11 February 2006

Excerpts: Influential imam praises cartoon protestors.Corruption caused ship
disaster.11 February 2006

+++ARAB NEWS (Saudi )11 Feb'08
Punish Mockers of the Prophet: Makkah Imam
P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News -

QUOTES FROM TEXT:
" 'tough punishment should be imposed on those who make a mockery of the
Prophet'
"He praised Muslims all over the world for standing up to the challenge and
protesting the publication of cartoons"

"called on wealthy Muslims to use their money to confront the smear
campaigns against Islam"

================================================================
FULL TEXT:
JEDDAH, 11 February 2006 - An influential imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah
yesterday called for the imposition of stiff punishment on those daring to
mock the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
Delivering his Friday sermon, Sheikh Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais also emphasized
the need to activate international resolutions that condemn and punish such
crimes as defamation of religions and prophets.
"All Islamic countries have condemned this act of crime," Al-Sudais told the
faithful who packed the large mosque complex, referring to the blasphemous
cartoons published by Western newspapers.
"We make a call from the podium of the Grand Mosque and the birthplace of
Islam, on behalf of Muslims all over the world, that tough punishment should
be imposed on those who make a mockery of the Prophet," the imam said.
Sudais said Western countries and organizations were adopting double
standards on the issue of Danish cartoons allowing abuse of Muslim
sanctities and their Prophet.
"The repulsive cartoons depicting the Prophet have violated the sanctity of
1.5 billion Muslims around the world and their feelings.... This has exposed
those who are actually promoting extremism, violence and hatred between
peoples," Sudais said.
He praised Muslims all over the world for standing up to the challenge and
protesting the publication of cartoons.
Sudais told Islamic scholars and intellectuals to do more to spread the
message of the Prophet and his noble qualities and ideals. "We must seize
this opportunity to spread the correct perspective of his noble life through
publications and programs in various languages," he added.
The imam called on wealthy Muslims to use their money to confront the smear
campaigns against Islam.
[IMRA: How about the pre-attack suicide bombers who are pictured with the
Koran and murders of children who call out "Allah Akbar (Allah is great)
before they fire?]

+++AL-AHRAM WEEKLY 9-15 Feb.'06:"Elusive culprit -- again"

Magda El-Ghitany reports from Safaga on the murky investigation into the
sinking of the ferry boat in which almost 1000 Egyptians lost their lives

QUOTES FROM TEXT:
" 'if his company had done this anywhere else he would already been in
prison' "

" 'a blunt indication of the strength of corruption, the pervasiveness of
which has now gotten completely beyond government control' "

"Officials were quick to stress that the ferry had passed all the required
safety inspections and fully complied with international requirements"

"carbon dioxide fire extinguishers were not available and the crew had to
use water to extinguish the flames which dsturbed the boat's balance. There
were no water pumps to get the water out, and the ferry's equipment, which
would automatically have sent distress signals to surrounding ports and
boats, appear not to have been working"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
EXCERPTS:
It is almost a week since Al-Salam 98 sank beneath the waters of the Red
Sea. The ferry was carrying 1,414 passengers, more than a thousand of whom
perished in the disaster. The official investigation into the causes of the
sinking of the 35-year-old boat has yet to make its finding public, leading
to a spate of speculation and rumour.
According to early official statements the catastrophe began soon after the
ferry had left the Saudi port of Dubba on its way to Safaga when a fire
broke out on one of the ferry's lower decks. The flames soon spread, and as
crew members used water to extinguish the flames the roll-on roll-off ferry,
built to a notoriously unstable design, quickly lost balance. In the tilting
boat passengers were unable to reach many of the lifeboats and did not know
how to use the ones they could reach.
Officials were quick to stress that the ferry had passed all the required
safety inspections and fully complied with international safety
requirements. They insist there can be no allocation of blame before the
investigation is complete.
Yet as the official investigation continues unanswered questions surrounding
the disaster have increased, not least the role of Salah Gomaa, captain of
Al-Salam's sister ship the Saint Catherine, who was reportedly told by the
company's owner that he should not stop to help the stricken ferry, though
Saint Catherine was in the vicinity, but instead continue to his
destination. Both boats are the property of the Al-Salam Transport Company,
owned by Mamdouh Ismail, a member of the Shura Council.
Gomaa told Al-Ahram Weekly that the decision not to go to the aid of the
stricken vessel was entirely his.
. . .
According to international marine arbitrator and Red Sea expert Wessam
Hafez, who is preparing his own report on the disaster, "all the authorities
responsible for allowing the ferry to set sail must carry responsibility."
The fire, he said, appears to have been caused by sea water entering the
boat through a hole and then sparking an electrical fire. To make matters
worse carbon dioxide fire extinguishers were not available and the crew had
to use water to extinguish the flames which disturbed the boat's balance.
There were no water pumps to get the water out, and the ferry's equipment,
which would automatically have sent distress signals to surrounding ports
and boats, appear not to have been working.
"The absence of a working distress signal system is a grave violation of
maritime law by the company boat's owner," he said.
While it was the company's responsibility to ensure the boat was equipped
with a warning system, it was the responsibility of the Egyptian and Saudi
Arabian maritime inspection offices to check that the vessel was seaworthy
before its departure from port.
"It was their job to prevent the ferry from going anywhere, and they
failed," said Hafez, who added that the company owner may well have had "his
own ways of encouraging officials in the two offices to turn a blind eye to
the ferry's defects".
That the rescue operation began "four hours after the authorities had been
informed of the disaster", says Hafez, led to unnecessary loss of life. "If
they had started the minute they knew about it and used planes to reach the
scene of the tragedy the cost in human lives would have been reduced."
Hafez also criticises the Safaga maritime station, responsible for
monitoring the boat's passage. The problem, he says, is that the station
does not employ "marine officers and the staff do not have sufficient
experience to act in critical situations".
Hafez also notes that ferries like Al-Salam 98 -- including Salem Express
and Al-Salam 95, both sunken ships belonging to the same company -- are
bought at knockdown prices in Europe, where they are no longer licensed to
carry passengers and can only carry livestock.
"Ismail, as the owner of the boats, should be brought to justice," says
Hafez. "If his company had done this anywhere else he would already be in
prison."
It is essential, believes Hafez, that the government punish all the involved
parties. "There are many ferries similar to Al-Salam 98 that are still
sailing. Do we have to wait till they all sink before anything is done?" he
asked.
... Mubarak, however, has assured the public that those responsible for the
disaster will not escape punishment.... .
That Ismail, as a member of the Shura Council, enjoys diplomatic immunity
has caused uproar among relatives of the victims. "Al-Salam 98, and the two
ferries that sank before it, all belonged to Al-Salam. ... .
On Sunday MPs will submit demands for a full and comprehensive investigation
into the disaster though one senior official, speaking on condition of
anonymity, voiced his fears that "the ongoing investigations will either end
up in attributing the whole disaster to fate or else find a scapegoat while
those really responsible go free."
Yesterday, in his daily Al-Akhbar column, prominent writer Ahmed Ragab
sarcastically wrote that the sinking of the ferry is "a blunt indication of
the strength of corruption, the pervasiveness of which has now gotten
completely beyond government control".
. . . .

Dr. Joseph Lerner, Co-Director IMRA

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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Leftist poet Chaim Guri: Palestinian trees humanitarian
concern, Jewish evacuees politics

Leftist poet Chaim Guri: Palestinian trees humanitarian concern, Jewish
evacuees politics

Aaron Lerner Date: 12 February 2006

In a live interview broadcast on Israel Radio this morning, leftist author
and poet Chaim Guri responded to criticism that while the Israeli Left is
concerned about Palestinian olive trees that they express no humanitarian
interest in the fate of the Jews who were evacuated from the Gaza Strip and
have suffered greatly because the Government has failed to provide the
compensation and other services.

Guri explained that the "plight of Palestinians is a humanitarian concern
while the settlers removed from Gush Katif is politics."

Guri went on to explained that the Palestinians were the "poor of one's own
city" - thus qualifying for priority.

The phrase "poor of one's own city" is a phrase from Jewish law regarding
priority in the distribution of limited resources in humanitarian cases.
That, other things being equal (in terms of critical nature of need, etc.),
one first takes care of one's own poor.

Settler leader Bentzi Lieberman responded on the program that when Guri says
that he considers Palestinians who genuinely desire the eradication of
Israel to have the same standing - if not higher standing - than fellow
Jews - that this illustrates a seriously distorted morality on the part of
this representative of the Israeli Left.

Dr. Aaron Lerner, Director IMRA (Independent Media Review & Analysis)
(Mail POB 982 Kfar Sava)
Tel 972-9-7604719/Fax 972-3-7255730
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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: US prepares military blitz against Iran's nuclear sites

US prepares military blitz against Iran's nuclear sites
By Philip Sherwell in Washington - The Sunday Telegraph (UK) 12 February
2006
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/12/wiran12.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/02/12/ixportaltop.html
[Map and other details
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/02/12/wiran12abig.jpg ]

Strategists at the Pentagon are drawing up plans for devastating bombing
raids backed by submarine-launched ballistic missile attacks against Iran's
nuclear sites as a "last resort" to block Teheran's efforts to develop an
atomic bomb.

Central Command and Strategic Command planners are identifying targets,
assessing weapon-loads and working on logistics for an operation, the Sunday
Telegraph has learnt.

They are reporting to the office of Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary,
as America updates plans for action if the diplomatic offensive fails to
thwart the Islamic republic's nuclear bomb ambitions. Teheran claims that it
is developing only a civilian energy programme.

"This is more than just the standard military contingency assessment," said
a senior Pentagon adviser. "This has taken on much greater urgency in recent
months."

The prospect of military action could put Washington at odds with Britain
which fears that an attack would spark violence across the Middle East,
reprisals in the West and may not cripple Teheran's nuclear programme. But
the steady flow of disclosures about Iran's secret nuclear operations and
the virulent anti-Israeli threats of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has
prompted the fresh assessment of military options by Washington. The most
likely strategy would involve aerial bombardment by long-distance B2
bombers, each armed with up to 40,000lb of precision weapons, including the
latest bunker-busting devices. They would fly from bases in Missouri with
mid-air refuelling.

The Bush administration has recently announced plans to add conventional
ballistic missiles to the armoury of its nuclear Trident submarines within
the next two years. If ready in time, they would also form part of the plan
of attack.

Teheran has dispersed its nuclear plants, burying some deep underground, and
has recently increased its air defences, but Pentagon planners believe that
the raids could seriously set back Iran's nuclear programme.

Iran was last weekend reported to the United Nations Security Council by the
International Atomic Energy Agency for its banned nuclear activities.
Teheran reacted by announcing that it would resume full-scale uranium
enrichment - producing material that could arm nuclear devices.

The White House says that it wants a diplomatic solution to the stand-off,
but President George W Bush has refused to rule out military action and
reaffirmed last weekend that Iran's nuclear ambitions "will not be
tolerated".

Sen John McCain, the Republican front-runner to succeed Mr Bush in 2008, has
advocated military strikes as a last resort. He said recently: "There is
only only one thing worse than the United States exercising a military
option and that is a nuclear-armed Iran."

Senator Joe Lieberman, a Democrat, has made the same case and Mr Bush is
expected to be faced by the decision within two years.

By then, Iran will be close to acquiring the knowledge to make an atomic
bomb, although the construction will take longer. The President will not
want to be seen as leaving the White House having allowed Iran's ayatollahs
to go atomic.

In Teheran yesterday, crowds celebrating the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic
revolution chanted "Nuclear technology is our inalienable right" and cheered
Mr Ahmadinejad when he said that Iran may reconsider membership of the
nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

He was defiant over possible economic sanctions.

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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Jihad: Our new rocket more lethal

Jihad: Our new rocket more lethal

Islamic Jihad spokesman says new rocket contains TNT, can reach central
Ashkelon
Ali Waked YNET 12 February 2006
www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3214489,00.html

Al-Quds Brigades, the Islamic Jihad's military wing, announced Saturday the
organization has been able to develop a longer-range rocket that is more
lethal and can reach central Ashkelon.

Terror Threats

Fatah: We have better rockets / Ali Waked

Disturbing announcement: Senior al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades figure says group
possesses longer range missile that could hit southern Israel communities
previously immune to rocket threat
Full Story

According to the group, the new rocket has a range of 13-16 kilometers
(about 8-10 miles) and contains TNT, as well as other components that make
it more powerful.

However, a Qassam rocket apparently fired by the group at the western Negev
Saturday is an older type of rocket.

Islamic Jihad spokesman Abu Hamza said the military wing's engineering unit
was finally able to produce the new Quds rocket, which is an improved
version of the Quds 101 rocket currently used by the group.

The spokesman added the new rocket, which he said is 2.3 meters long (about
7 feet,) has been successfully tested by the organization and was produced
using great investment at special labs.

Abu Hamza warned the new rocket will be put into use soon and noted the
previous Quds model was able to cause damages in the Ashkelon area, north of
the Gaza Strip. The spokesman added Islamic Jihad will continue to undertake
work aimed at improving its launching capabilities.

Recently, almost all Palestinian organizations in the Gaza Strip announced
they have been able to improve the rockets in their possession, which they
said are more lethal than the current Qassam rockets.

At one point, Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades said the group was able to
acquire Grad missiles.

(02.11.06, 19:01)

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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: THE AIPAC CASE: CRIMINALIZING PUBLIC SPEECH

THE AIPAC CASE: CRIMINALIZING PUBLIC SPEECH

Secrecy News
From the FAS Project on Government Secrecy
Volume 2006, Issue No. 19
February 11, 2006

In an unprecedented and previously unimaginable case, two former employees
of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee were accused last year of
mishandling classified government information. Now they are asking a
federal court to dismiss the charges against them.

The prosecution of the former AIPAC officials, Steven J. Rosen and Keith
Weissman, represents an extraordinary attempt by the Bush Administration to
use the Espionage Act to restrict the activities and even the conversations
of members of the public who are not government employees.

"The prosecutors in this case have taken the unprecedented step of
criminalizing an alleged leak not just against the government official who
was charged with protecting such information, but also members of public
policy organization with First Amendment protection who listened to what
this government official had to say," the new defense motion to dismiss
states.

"If this indictment is allowed to stand, a statute which in the first
instance is intended to address classic spying will not only be applied to
erring government officials but now will be applied to private American
citizens pursuing first amendment protected activities."

What Rosen and Weissman are charged with is nothing more than "what members
of the media, members of the Washington policy community, lobbyists and
members of congressional staffs do perhaps hundreds of times every day," the
defense says.

There is no allegation that Rosen or Weissman "ever stole, secreted,
purloined, paid for or otherwise obtained classified information from any
person -- inside or outside government -- by any illegal means."

Instead, they listened to, and repeated, information provided by former
Pentagon official Lawrence A. Franklin that was purportedly classified.

"Never has a lobbyist, reporter, or any other non-government employee been
charged... for receiving oral information the government alleges to be
national defense material as part of that person's normal First Amendment
protected activities."

"The government's construction of [the Espionage Act] would allow for the
punishment of any private citizen who obtains classified information --
regardless of how or why -- and then discloses it to another private
citizen."

"Such a result would be profoundly disturbing," according to the Defendants'
motion.

Remarkably, the legal memorandum on behalf of the defendants was co-authored
by Viet Dinh, the former Justice Department attorney who is best known as
one of the architects of the USA Patriot Act.

The defense memorandum was filed under seal on January 19 and unsealed by
the court in the Eastern District of Virginia on February 9.

A copy was obtained by Secrecy News and posted on the Federation of American
Scientists web site. See (4.2 MB PDF file):

www.fas.org/sgp/jud/rosen011906.pdf

_______________________________________________
Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the
Federation of American Scientists.
Secrecy News Blog: www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/

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[911InsideJobbers] Just found a strange "Cinderalla story" and Aaron Brown

Jim The Rookie Morris

In brief
Jim Morris' Cinderella story is testimony to the power of dreams and their ability to inspire and transform human life. His story is the subject of the film from Walt Disney, "The Rookie," starring Dennis Quaid. This major motion picture opens nationwide on March 29, 2002 and it is Disney's most significant release this spring. The paperback, "The Rookie," formerly known as "The Oldest Rookie," will be published March 1, 2002, and autographed copies of Jim's best-selling biography can be purchased on this website.

Fee Range: $10,001 - $20,000   ( About Fees )

From here
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JIM MORRIS, FORMER MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PLAYER: Thanks for having me.

KING: Boy. It all started with Aaron Brown interviewing you on ABC, right?

MORRIS: Yes, incredible.

From here
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BERTHA COOMBS: Everyone has a dream, but not everyone has the courage to pursue it. One 35-year-old former high school teacher could be close to fulfilling a lifelong fantasy he had once given up on -- pitching in the Major Leagues. Here's ABC's Aaron Brown.

AARON BROWN, ABC News: (voice-over) Thirty-five-year-old Jim Morris is afraid to tell his mother he quit his old job as a high school teacher for his new one, a relief pitcher in the Minor Leagues. Come to think of it, telling ...

The above preview is from ABC World News This Morning, September 7, 1999.

"Preview" of article here
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Aaron Brown

Acting Appearances
Bit role in "The Rookie" starring Dennis Quaid (voiceover from what I have been able to find)

From here  (some kind of aaron brown fan club )
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Aaron Brown

In brief             Veteran Anchor and Journalist
Fee Range:     $20,001 - $30,000   ( About Fees )

Aaron Brown offers a reasoned and illuminating view of the most complex and tragic stories.

A World Revealed: No matter the subject — from media manipulation to foreign and domestic politics to international turmoil — Aaron Brown dissects the events that transform our world, offering a clear, concise and compassionate point of view, mixed with a healthy dose of candid observation. A most trusted figure on the world's trusted cable news channel, Brown delivers to your audience the insight and perspective on the day's headlines they need to make important decisions.

Foundation of Trust: With more than a quarter century of journalism experience, Aaron Brown brings a wealth of knowledge and insight to an international audience. The former anchor of CNN's flagship NewsNight with Aaron Brown, he also anchored ABC's World News Tonight Saturday and served as a reporter for World News Tonight and Nightline.

Trial by Fire: Brown's first day on the job as a CNN anchor was September 11th, 2001. His work during the initial crisis and into the weeks and years that lay ahead made him one of the media's most respected professionals. He provides your audience a lively, charming and to-the-minute look at the most pressing issues of the day.
From here (double tie-in to Jim Morris)
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Missing Anchor: The Plane Truth  (too bad it's not an admission about 9/11 fakery)
Now that's dedication . . . to golf: CNN's Aaron Brown paid $13,000 to charter a jet to California last week to play in the Bob Hope Chrysler Classic. (Gino Domenico - AP/File Photo)

By Lloyd Grove
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 5, 2003; Page C03

We think we finally understand why CNN star Aaron Brown might have been a tad reluctant to interrupt his Saturday golf game -- at the Bob Hope Chrysler Classic in Palm Desert, Calif. -- to rush to Los Angeles and anchor his network's coverage of the Columbia shuttle disaster.

Yesterday CNN confirmed that last Tuesday night, after anchoring the State of the Union address, Brown spent around $13,000 of his own money to charter a private jet from Washington so he could make his Wednesday morning tee time. Initially Brown had planned to fly commercial, a CNN spokeswoman told us, but those plans fell apart when President Bush's speech was scheduled. An expensive charter flight was Brown's only option if he was to keep his commitment in California.

CNN yesterday reiterated its position that the network is happy that Brown was able to anchor its Sunday night coverage -- more than 36 hours after CBS's Dan Rather rushed to his own studio. "This is a non-issue," a CNN spokeswoman told us. "The reason Aaron didn't immediately return to New York was because the decision was made very early on that Miles O'Brien, CNN's space correspondent, would continue anchoring because of his particular expertise in this area. CNN asked Aaron to anchor Sunday's coverage out of Houston, which he did, and continue to lead-anchor throughout the week."

But we weren't alone in our befuddlement yesterday, as the story of Brown's on-air absence rolled down the runway and gained altitude. Various media outlets reported that immediately after the shuttle catastrophe, Tom Brokaw cut short a snorkeling cruise in the Caribbean to fly to Florida and anchor NBC's broadcast from Cape Canaveral; Hamptons denizen Peter Jennings slugged it out on the Long Island Expressway to take the helm at ABC; and Rather threw on his suit and hurtled out of his Upper East Side town house toward West 57th Street.But for Brown -- who, at an estimated $1.5 million a year, earns a fraction of what these guys make -- $13,000 is real money. And for us, it's unreal money.


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Results 11 - 15 of about 33,100 for "jim morris" "aaron brown". (0.02 seconds)
yet on the same page:
n order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 15 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Noonzwire Blog Picks up 2/20 NYC march

Heh!! You've turned into an Ace troll stomper.
Maybe you can pass along some of your expertise.
Greg has a troll stuck like gum on his shoe.

rcu@duke.edu wrote:
>> This is the sort of thing that could actually save the world, so they
>> are attacking Greg with their traditional selection of slur.
>> The soviet union was famous for calling people who disagreed with it's
>> politics "crazy."
>>
>
> A Soviet term of accusation against their own citizens that I remember
> hearing about a lot (I'm 40) was "malicious hooligan."
>
> Will have to make time for more of Greg's posts if he's on Rosalee's
> hero list.
>
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> Ray
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Noonzwire Blog Picks up 2/20 NYC march

> This is the sort of thing that could actually save the world, so they
> are attacking Greg with their traditional selection of slur.
> The soviet union was famous for calling people who disagreed with it's
> politics "crazy."

A Soviet term of accusation against their own citizens that I remember
hearing about a lot (I'm 40) was "malicious hooligan."

Will have to make time for more of Greg's posts if he's on Rosalee's
hero list.

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[911InsideJobbers] Poss. Evidence Al Qaeda not in existance prior 2001????

From letsroll forum......
 
You ever heard of this?
 
 
Poss. Evidence Al Qaeda not in existance prior 2001????
 
 
 
 
"Late last year I found my own bit of evidence, thanks to my husband, who found an ROTC Air Force training manual that somebody had thrown away. It was published in the year 2000 and the name of the book is The World In Transition. There's a chapter in it, The Middle East in Transition. I read this chapter and noticed something quite odd. (Not that it surprised me...) All the Islamic terror groups are mentioned, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and a slew of 'em I never heard of.

Distinctly missing was one single mention of anything called al-Qaeda or al-Qaida.

Osama bin Laden got a sentence's worth of space and was described as the son of a wealthy Saudi family who "works alone".

I read through the rest of the book, cover to cover, and not one word on al-Qaeda. Wait a minute, I thought this was a vast terror network that had been training for years - that's what THEY told us. "


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Re: [911InsideJobbers] [Fwd: Holmgren on the Bureau of Transportation Safety Database]

I'm slow on the uptake here of my piled up email, but I wish to make
two observations re: Hoffman or other flip-floppers.. and WingTV......

I think we're far enough down the road to be able to tell who's with
the 911 skeptics and who is not, their camies have failed.

I do not think there is any middle ground in this deal. You're either
on the USG side or not. While Hoffman et al., occupy positions in the
9/11 movement, that means nothing. They're plants. ANYONE WHO EVEN
whispers the phrase "damage the entire 9-11 cause.", has blown their
cover. Along these same lines, I don't think that the position that
the public can't take the truth of no planes is correct.....I think
they can and will understand that there's something fishy about no
wreckage of 4 planes.....no matter how little they have been exposed
to 9/11 skeptics...

On WingTV, beyond early comments on the CD of the towers, never again
to be revisited, they have focused 100% of their efforts of the past
year or so on targeting various 9/11 personalities. Period. I think
their assignment is to keep stirring the slime pot, persuing a single
impression of 9/11 skeptics are all bad, therefore the USG must be ok.
It doesn't matter whether they are exposing a 9/11 truth or not, as
long as they take down a researcher/radio personality with them. That
is their only specialty--diminishing other 9/11ers. Whereas Hoffman
disses others' research that is dangerous to the USG's fable. So
WingTV discredits people, Hoffman confabulates threatening research.

Just because some 911ers, like AJ, Tarpley, specialize in political
or geopolitical aspects and ignore the forensics of 911, doesn't mean
they're not on our side, but attacking from the positiion they know
best. To me, it's not so much what you say, but how often you say
it, is how you penetrate their skulls. That's the way the USG
propaganda machine does it. Hufschmidt and Smith, now down, said
things people really needed to hear that everyone else avoided out of
fear of retaliation. People needed to hear that some guy with dual
citizenship (Dov Zackheim) had extraordinary power and control over
the Pent. budget that ended up short by some $trillion or so
dollars.....they needed to hear that Cheney (one of two token non-Jews
in the seats of power) is on the board of JINSA(?). I respect Eric,
unsure of Smith. But now there is no voices that address what impact
Zionism has on the US. and Am. Jewry. At any rate, to just toss them
out as being anti-semitic, I want to hear the proof of that first.
Give me the example. Israel is all over this deal. the elephant in
the living room, and is all over silencing of world media, and why
nobody gets invited to talk on TV about the lies of 9/11.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosalee Grable" <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:17 PM
Subject: [Fwd: [911InsideJobbers] [Fwd: Holmgren on the Bureau of
Transportation Safety Database]

> on the subject of Hoffman, and how/why we picked him out as the
> keeper
> of officially permissible alternative 911 " "Truth" "vetted for
> protest
> without rocking any real boats.
> While Hoffman could not pass among actual researchers while
> imagining a
> 767 actually hit the pentagon, he flipflopped as soon as authentic
> researchers would have nothing to do with him anyway.
> Wing TV's gentle chiding on the flipflop-
> http://www.wingtv.net/hoffman.html
> which was answered by Hoffman
> http://911review.com/wingtv/markup/hoffman.html
> After which WingTV suddenly abandoned the Pentagon evidence in favor
> of
> Hoffman approved Controlled Demolition.
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] [Fwd: Holmgren on the Bureau of
> Transportation Safety Database
> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:46:01 -0500
> From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
>
>
>
> http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/320469d.shtml#187004
>
> Gerard Holmgren
>
>
> In Nov 2003 I discovered and published official flight logs from the
> Bureau of transportation which say that there were no such flights
> as AA
> 11 or 77 on Sept 11.
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/1177.html
> <http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Eholmgren/1177.html>
>
> In rresponse Rabinowitz resorted to flat out lying with this
> statement
> on oilempire:
>
> "An obvious rebuttal to Holmgren's assertion is that since the
> planes
> didn't complete their flights, it might not have been appropriate to
> include them in a database of completed flights."
>
> http://www.oilempire.us/bogus.html
>
> Very true - *if* the datbase in question was a dtatbase of
> "completed
> flight". But the problem for Rabinowitz is that it's not a database
> of
> "completed flights".
>
> It's a database of *scheduled* flights. All scheduled flights must
> be
> reported whether completed or not. In fact the whole idea of the
> database is to keep records of which scheduled flights do not get
> completed. That is why one can find records of cancelled and
> diverted
> flights.
>
> This fact is obvious both from the description in my article linked
> above and if one visits the database itself (linked in the article).
>
> Rabonowitz cannot possibly have been unaware of this and is
> therefore
> caught lying in a calculated manner.
>
> Which is a point I was going to make about Hoffman anyway. Hoffman
> and
> Rabinowitz exchange many complimentary reccomendations about each
> others
> web sites.
>
> So recently I drew to Hoffman's attention the fact of this obvious
> lie,
> and asked him whether he would write to Rabinowitz and ask him to
> correct this factual innacuracy. Hoffman refused to answer.
>
> Thuis we also have it on record that Hoffman tacitly supports any
> kind
> of lie necessary to try to mislead people towards a preset view, by
> reccomending in glowing terms a website which he knows is telling
> big
> fat whoppers.
>
> In fact it's worth quoting Hoffman's response by email when I first
> published the BTS article. This reponse was not made to me, because
> he
> was too gutless to confront me as usual, so it got back to me from a
> chain of forwards.
>
> Bear in mind that the ramble below from Spook Hoffman purports to be
> in
> response to the unveiling of documentation of official flight log
> documentation.
>
> ''Some people have put enormous effort into building a case that
> either
> of both of:
> (1) what hit the North Tower was not a jetliner, let alone AA F11
> (2) no jetliner hit the South Tower -- rather the impact was
> simulated
> using holograms or faked video and planted explosives.
>
> I find (1) highly improbable, and (2) laughable.
>
> The object passing over in the Naudet video -- the only known video
> capturing the North Tower impact, except for an even lower
> resolution
> security camera -- sounds like a turbofan: you can hear a distinct
> hum,
> not just a white noise roar that a military jet or missile would
> make.
> Furthermore, the impact hole matches the profile of a 767 down to
> the
> engine pods and wingtips.
>
> I won't even address the evidence about the South Tower impact
> except to
> say that when I have in an e-mail list with some proponents of the
> no-planes theories, I've been labeled a debunker and attacked,
> especially by webfairy, who's conviction that the Naudet video shows
> that no jetliner hit the North Tower I might describe as religious.
> (My
> comments about motion and pixel-blur, sampling errors, and
> compression
> artifacts only elicited further ridicule.)
>
> I very much doubt that webfairy or Scott Longrey (911hoax.com) are
> insincere, but I think the no-planes-hit-the-towers is a very
> destructive meme that helps to lump things like the WTC demolition
> in
> the catagory of lunatic ideas in the minds of many.
> To his credit, Gerard understands this, so he doesn't focus on it
> despite believing, I think, both (1) and (2).
>
> Gerard's description of (1) as "widely accepted" may reflect the
> people
> he communicates with most, and the vocal persistence of webfairy,
> et.al.
> And the idea has gained some currency, even appearing on
> serendipity.li
> in an article by Leonard Spencer.
> http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa11.htm
>
> I feel like I have to write an article taking this on, which will
> distract me from the next upgrade I need to do to my WTC demolition
> analysis on 911research.wtc7.net .''
>
> How's that for relevance? Rabinowitz and Hoffman make a great team
> of
> spooks. Rabinowitz tells the direct lie, and Hoffman just rambles
> about
> something else hoping that people forget about the piece of research
> he
> was actually responding to.
>
> This is typical of Hoffman's dishonest and evasive approach.
>
> I produce official documentation that AA11 and 77 didn't fly and in
> response he wants to talk about the video of blob 11 and cartoon 175
> hitting the towers. But when we actually addressed the subject of
> blob
> 11 (on the only occasion where Hoffman actually made the mistake of
> trying to debate me in person), he suddenly didn't want to talk
> about
> the videos any more. Now he suddenly switched to wanting to talk
> about
> witnesses to the Sth tower strike.
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/salter.html
> <http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Eholmgren/salter.html>
> (Hoffman's appearance begins on {Page 8 of the debate)
>
> When he was unable to back up his wild claim of hundreds of
> witneses -
> with a single documented example, then he claimed that the fact that
> there weren't any was actually proof that hundreds of people saw it,
> and
> when I returned to the question of the North tower video, he ran
> away,
> and has cowered in his troll cave ever since, sniping from behind
> his
> NSA and naval intelligence funded shield.
>
> Hoffman would have been very much at home as a witch-craft trial
> prosecutor. His claim that the fact there isn't any witness support
> for
> a large plane hitting the Sth tower actually proves that hundreds of
> people saw it is a spectacular pieces of circular reasoning, worthy
> of a
> withcraft trial.
>
> Rabinowitz has been following me around the net crowing about the
> Winslow thing, because its the only mistake of any significance that
> he
> can find in my entire body of work.
>
> However,what Rabinowitz doesn't tell you is that the only way
> Bertlett
> was able to make any capital out of this minor error is by lying
> about
> what my article actually says.
>
> You can find what I really said about Winslow by reading the actual
> article
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/witness.html
> <http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Eholmgren/witness.html>
>
> And you can find a summary of the Winslow issue IMC where I was
> replying
> to another attempt by Rabiowitz to whip up this storm in a teacup.
>
> http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/316966.shtml#184089
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [Fwd: Fw: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference in Chicago,

Fresh law eliminating buskers from the area this year.
I've never stayed for the headliners, particularly since they gotta play
police state before letting schnookies into their hideous new bandshell.
So I've never experienced beer-distraction, and the music is backdrop,
not distraction.
http://thewebfairy.com/billsblues/Apolitical_Blues.mp3

It turns out that Rick Siegel of 911 Eyewitness grew up in the South
Suburbs and was a super-precocious kid who used to play blues with the
southside bluesmen when he was just a kid. Old timers still remember him.
Gerard Holmgren's band won last years' Best Blues Band in Australia
contest, so this time last year he was here.
http://911closeup.com/blues.htm
Might be able to entice him back at bluesfest time, even tho it's a
hideously expensive trip.
I sent him pictures of the Gibson tent that had him excited:
http://911closeup.com/gibson

greg nixon wrote:
> Rosalee,
>
> It would'nt even have to be on the grounds, Just as you turn the
> corner and go over the bridge past the Art Institute is where EVERYONE
> accesses the fest and where the buskers play. We would catch more than
> when they get there (less the distraction of beer and music etc) just
> a thought.
>
> Greg
>
> */Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>/* wrote:
>
> One blessed week later is Blues Fest, the most beautiful week Chicago
> has to offer.
> A "Truth Tent" on the grounds of the Blues Fest I don't know if it
> would
> be possible, and it would certainly require fund raising, but having
> 911Eyewitness, Loose Change, Killtown and maybe even Gerard
> Holmgren in
> from Australia doing presentations would be super super super cool.
> Fund raising is the stopper. There has to be folks with money who
> cares
> about the future out there somewhere.
>
>
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > Oh what could be more lovely than the "Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago
> > O'Hare"??
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> <webfairy@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Finally there's a dates set.
> >> It's the whole creepy Urantia gang.
> >> I notice there's no "Scholars for Truth" on the bill either.
> >> Gratefully they are not really coming to Chicago, but to a generic
> >> suburban hotel.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> *From:* Gabriel Day <mailto:sharethetruth911@...>
> >> *To:* tomtvedtenmd@... <mailto:tomtvedtenmd@...>
> >> *Cc:* Rick Siegel <mailto:rick@...>
> >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:44 AM
> >> *Subject:* 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future
> conference
> >> in Chicago, IL June 2-4th
> >>
> >> Upcoming International Conference sponsored by www.911truth.org
> >> <http://www.911truth.org <http://www.911truth.org/>>
> >>
> >> *9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future*
> >> * Chicago, IL June 2-4th
> >> *An education and strategy conference that will move beyond
> past 9/11
> >> events with a focus on strategy: How can the 9/11 truth
> movement win?
> >>
> >> For updates stay tuned to www.911truth.org
> <http://www.911truth.org <http://www.911truth.org/>>
> >>
> > and
> >
> >> www.mujca.com
> >>
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> still need
> >> more contacts in many states, particularly
> >>
> >> P.S. Thanks to the continuing effort of local folks in
> Chicago who
> >> have helped secure our location the Embassy Suites Hotel
> Chicago O'Hare
> >> - See link below for floor plan for meeting rooms and capacity
> figures,
> >> individual and when combined, and also you can take a photo
> tour but
> >> hotel was recently redecorated.)
> >>
> >>
> >
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> >
> >>
> >> Also note that the Midwest Social Forum will be July 6-9th in
> >> Milwaukee, WI http://www.mwsocialforum.org/ - model for
> conference
> >> registration - the Midwest Social Forum
> >>
> >> and for ideas the last time we gathered in July of 2005 see
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> >>
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [Fwd: Fw: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference in Chicago,

Rosalee,
 
It would'nt even have to be on the grounds, Just as you turn the corner and go over the bridge past the Art Institute is where EVERYONE accesses the fest and where the buskers play. We would catch more than when they get there (less the distraction of beer and music etc) just a thought.
 
Greg

Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com> wrote:
One blessed week later is Blues Fest, the most beautiful week Chicago
has to offer.
A "Truth Tent" on the grounds of the Blues Fest I don't know if it would
be possible, and it would certainly require fund raising, but having
911Eyewitness, Loose Change, Killtown and maybe even Gerard Holmgren in
from Australia doing presentations would be super super super cool.
Fund raising is the stopper. There has to be folks with money who cares
about the future out there somewhere.




alexldent wrote:
> Oh what could be more lovely than the "Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago
> O'Hare"??
>
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> wrote:
>  
>> Finally there's a dates set.
>> It's the whole creepy Urantia gang.
>> I notice there's no "Scholars for Truth" on the bill either.
>> Gratefully they are not really coming to Chicago, but to a generic
>> suburban hotel.
>>
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Gabriel Day <mailto:sharethetruth911@...>
>> *To:* tomtvedtenmd@... <mailto:tomtvedtenmd@...>
>> *Cc:* Rick Siegel <mailto:rick@...>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:44 AM
>> *Subject:* 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference
>> in Chicago, IL June 2-4th
>>
>> Upcoming International Conference sponsored by www.911truth.org
>> <http://www.911truth.org>
>>
>> *9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future*
>> *              Chicago, IL June 2-4th
>> *An education and strategy conference that will move beyond past 9/11
>> events with a focus on strategy: How can the 9/11 truth movement win?
>> 
>> For updates stay tuned to www.911truth.org <http://www.911truth.org>
>>    
> and
>  
>> www.mujca.com
>>
>>    
> <http://mail.yahoo.com/config/login?/_javascript:ol%28%27http://mujca.com/%27%29;>
>
>  
>> 
>>   and sign up for action alerts at
>> http://www.911truth.org/users.php?mode=new
>> 
>>   and please help with 9/11 truth grassroots networking project  
>> at http://www.911truth.org/Grassroots_Organizer_Page.htm we still need
>> more contacts in many states, particularly
>> 
>>   P.S. Thanks to the continuing effort of local folks in Chicago who
>> have helped secure our location the Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago O'Hare
>> - See link below for floor plan for meeting rooms and capacity figures,
>> individual and when combined, and also you can take a photo tour but
>> hotel was recently redecorated.)
>> 
>>    
> http://embassysuites.hilton.com/en/es/hotels/floorplans.jhtml?ctyhocn=CHIRMES
>
>  
> <javascript:ol('http://embassysuites.hilton.com/en/es/hotels/floorplans.jhtml?ctyhocn=CHIRMES');>
>
>  
>> 
>>   Also note that the Midwest Social Forum will be July 6-9th in
>> Milwaukee, WI  http://www.mwsocialforum.org/ - model for conference
>> registration - the Midwest Social Forum
>> 
>> and for ideas the last time we gathered in July of 2005 see
>>  http://www.truthemergency.us <http://www.truthemergency.us/> which had
>> the following
>> 
>> *Organizing Committee Members:
>> *David Kubiak
>> Janice Matthews
>> Gabriel Day
>> Jan Hoyer
>> Les Jameison
>> David Slesinger
>> Charles Key
>>
>> *Post Event Committee Additions:*
>> Jim Hoffman
>> Reed Simpson
>> 
>> *_Rally Speakers:_*
>> Nafeez Ahmed
>> Robert Bowman
>> David Ray Griffin
>> Charles Key
>> Ray McGovern
>> Dorothy Mackey
>> Sunny Miller
>> Gael Murphy
>> Jenna Orkin
>> Peter Phillips
>> Morgan Reynolds
>> Peter Dale Scott
>> Paul Thompson
>> **
>> *Workshops <http://www.truthemergency.us/pages/dcWorkshops.html>*:
>> <http://www.truthemergency.us/pages/dcWorkshops1.html>
>> Michael Badnarik
>> Kevin Barrett
>> Chris Emery
>> Bonnie Faulkner
>> Joe Friendly
>> Tonya Gonzalez
>> Jim Hoffman
>> Barb Honegger
>> Tito Howard
>> hummux
>> Charles Key
>> Nicholas Levis
>> Sunny Miller
>> Leuren Moret
>> Jenna Orkin
>> Don Paul
>> Peter Phillips
>> Brian Sacks
>> Dave Slesinger
>> Merlin Staring
>> Robert Stone
>> Webster Tarpley
>> Paul Thompson
>> Ian Woods
>> Barrie Zwicker
>> 
>>
>>
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> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] [Fwd: Fw: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming
> Our Future conference in Chicago, IL June 2-4th]
> Datum: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:30:49 -0800 (PST)

...all they need to do is to buy some white T-Shirts and scream,
"YES, we are a CULT. And we still have a long way in front of us..."

Meanwhile even the word "activism" has turned into a bad meme,
thanks to these special k drugsters.

I guess, they will "compete" with 911Scholars for a while, before
911truth.org will finally be replaced by them, on an even much higher
sophisticated level.

Here are the next phase-911truthling soap opera characters from the
"911Scholars", you should be already aware of:

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html

1) Dr. Lon Waters
the military "insider".

A Sandia/DoD -computer engineer for nuclear bomb simulation tests.
How nice.
Does Waters know, who developed the unconventional explosives for WTC 1, 2?
Between Livermore, Sandia and his own team a big chance that he knows him
personally :)

Is he a member for the final phase?

Dr. Lon Waters
http://www.sandia.gov/media/cancer.htm
June 5, 1996

The cooperation of the Department of Defense, the Air Force's Phillips
Laboratory, and the University of New Mexico in permitting use of the
massively parallel Maui machine was essential, says Valdez: “The efforts of
the entire staff at the Maui High Performance Computing Center, especially
Dr. Lon Waters, an applied mathematician, were crucial.”

Sandia National Laboratories is a multiprogram national laboratory operated
by a subsidiary of Lockheed Martin Corporation for the U.S. Department of
Energy. With main facilities in Albuquerque, N.M., and Livermore, Calif.

Member of Xyce software
Team
http://www.sandia.gov/LabNews/LN06-13-03/labnews06-13-03.pdf
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:1KgthhR8xDoJ:www.sandia.gov/LabNews/LN06-13-03/labnews06-

13-03.pdf+Dr.+Lon+Waters+sandia&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

SANDIA LAB NEWS • June 13, 2003 • Page 4
Sandia’s homegrown four-year-old Xyce™
software is gaining notice in the world of
modeling electrical circuits.

Xyce team members:
Lon Waters (1734),...
...(Dep.) 1734 began work on Xyce in July 1999...

...Version 1.0 was first released in October 2002.
A second version, 1.1, was released last week.
Xyce 2.0 will be released in October 2003...
...Xyce provides a modern, in-house simulation tool
on which to build future enhancements
targeted at the design and analysis needs of
Sandia’s electrical design community.

Xyce is the main code of a larger project,
High Performance Electrical Modeling Simulation
(HPEMS), funded primarily by DOE’s ASCI Application program.

http://www.sandia.gov/mstc/products/elect-comp/hpems.html
High Performance Electrical Modeling
and Simulation (HPEMS)
With the elimination of underground nuclear testing and declining defense
budgets, science-based stockpile stewardship requires increased reliance on
high performance modeling and simulation of weapon systems....

The XyceTM Parallel Electronic Simulator was developed in support of
electrical designers at Sandia National Laboratories and, as such,
implemented several novel features that makes their job considerably
easier...

2) John McMurtry
The leftgatekeeper rebel darling

McMurthy was actually once a respected correspondent of mine.
I respected him, because he was one of the first, who tried to speak out
against
the other gatekeepers at ZMAG. But his role in this bogus movement was
limited and controlled from the beginning.

Maybe McMurty realised that later too.

He's silent since late 2004.

Before 9/11 he was astrong advocate of monetary reform and vocal in the
anti-globalization movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McMurtry

Then after 9/11, becoming an anti-virus in the left-gatekeeper scene against
Chomski + Co. with his project "DECODING 9-11" (2002)
http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/decoding911mcmurtry28k.rm

However there was already a plant in this movement to oppose them, named
Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed. He "defactualised" and discredited McMurty's work and
therefore the coup against leftgatekeepers died already late 2002.
http://www.zmag.org/content/TerrorWar/mcmurty.cfm

Meanwhile McCurty, close to David-Ray Griffin (once working with him in
seminars on "Cognitive Life Philosophy of Christianity") is still cornered,
deceived and maybe even manipulated, by population controlist front EOLSS,
where he is a member from:

http://www.eolss.net/eolss_mission.aspx
"The Encyclopedia of Life Support Systems (EOLSS)
"...We are confronted with several warnings emphasizing the growing
fragility of the Earth's life support systems. ..."

http://www.eolss.net/worldwarning.aspx
"...# 4. We must reduce and eventually eliminate poverty.
# 5. We must ensure sexual equality, and guarantee women control over their
own reproductive decisions...."

3)
Jean-Pierre_Petit
The planted "wacko".

Maybe Petit is more real than his credibility.
However his background is so obviuous "controversial", that Fetzer's choice
to pick him for this group, looks like a forthcoming script to discredit the
same group, if they're not going into the 'same direction'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Pierre_Petit
Petit is a pioneer in magnetohydrodynamics. He started to work on this
subject in the 1960s.
Petit has lost respect from the scientific community because of the
controversial claims he has made on several controversial topics. He claims
that aliens from Ummo have sent letters to selected people, including
himself.

He contends that the US Air Force now has incredibly fast aircraft, Aurora,
due to secretly conducted research on magnetohydrodynamics. Aurora would use
a conventional turbofan propulsion system, feeded by a MHD controlled
hypersonic air inlet.And he claims that the US military has a powerful
antimatter bomb that they successfully detonated on planet Jupiter. Because
of these views, he has been largely banned from the French scientific
community.

4) Dr. Andrew Johnson
The "VR controlled spin" specialist?

Since the bluescreen research of the 9/11-second hit bogus videos are
becoming too popular and wannabee cripples Eric+ Brian Salter can't catch up
anymore, the 911Scholars have to make sure, they add some members to control
the spin of this so called "outraged theory".

Johnson is not the only computer engineer in 911Scholars, who are
specialized or experienced with GC/Virtual Reality, Greg Lemon (PM) yet
another one.

I couldn't figure out yet, if the same Greg Lemon is also member of the
Nebraska Secretary of State's Office -Sponsored by Election Systems &
Software, Inc.. because Greg Lemon 1 is from Virginia (rendered@hotmail.com)

Andrew Johnson Associate Professor
PhD, Wayne State University, 1994
Virtual reality, computer graphics, interactive learning environments, user
interfaces
ajohnson@cs.uic.edu

http://www.evl.uic.edu/aej/

Electronic Visualization Laboratory
Computer Science Department (M/C 152)
University of Illinois at Chicago

Wayne State University, 1994
Virtual reality, computer graphics, interactive learning environments, user
interfaces

http://www.evl.uic.edu/aej/527/index.html
Computer Animation, 2001

http://www.evl.uic.edu/aej/528/index.html
Virtual Reality
2005

http://www1.cs.uic.edu/CSweb/public/faculty.php?audience=public&label=Faculty
close to Dr. Jason Leigh
Electronic Visualization Laboratory,
University of Illinois at Chicago,

Andy's shortform vita/resume
http://www.evl.uic.edu/aej/AndyInfo.html

I have more on all other PMs of the 911"scholars", but that should be enough
for today.

> Oh god is this ripe for flushing and a spray of aerosol. That got Tarpley
> in their ranks
> now as a calculated wedge between Nico (yet they do not highlight his
> book at the truth.org site)
>
> Let's put on an event DOWNTOWN during same time frame!
>
> Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com> wrote:
> Finally there's a dates set.
> It's the whole creepy Urantia gang.
> I notice there's no "Scholars for Truth" on the bill either.
> Gratefully they are not really coming to Chicago, but to a generic
> suburban hotel.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabriel Day
> To: tomtvedtenmd@yahoo.com
> Cc: Rick Siegel
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:44 AM
> Subject: 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference in
> Chicago, IL June 2-4th
>
>
>
> Upcoming International Conference sponsored by www.911truth.org
>
> 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future
> Chicago, IL June 2-4th
> An education and strategy conference that will move beyond past 9/11
> events with a focus on strategy: How can the 9/11 truth movement win?
>
> For updates stay tuned to www.911truth.org and www.mujca.com
>
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> contacts in many states, particularly
>
> P.S. Thanks to the continuing effort of local folks in Chicago who
> have helped secure our location the Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago O'Hare -
> See link below for floor plan for meeting rooms and capacity figures,
> individual and when combined, and also you can take a photo tour but hotel
was
> recently redecorated.)
>
>
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>
> Also note that the Midwest Social Forum will be July 6-9th in
> Milwaukee, WI http://www.mwsocialforum.org/ - model for conference
registration -
> the Midwest Social Forum
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> and for ideas the last time we gathered in July of 2005 see
> http://www.truthemergency.us which had the following
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> Janice Matthews
> Gabriel Day
> Jan Hoyer
> Les Jameison
> David Slesinger
> Charles Key
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> Reed Simpson
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [Fwd: Fw: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference in Chicago,

One blessed week later is Blues Fest, the most beautiful week Chicago
has to offer.
A "Truth Tent" on the grounds of the Blues Fest I don't know if it would
be possible, and it would certainly require fund raising, but having
911Eyewitness, Loose Change, Killtown and maybe even Gerard Holmgren in
from Australia doing presentations would be super super super cool.
Fund raising is the stopper. There has to be folks with money who cares
about the future out there somewhere.

alexldent wrote:
> Oh what could be more lovely than the "Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago
> O'Hare"??
>
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Finally there's a dates set.
>> It's the whole creepy Urantia gang.
>> I notice there's no "Scholars for Truth" on the bill either.
>> Gratefully they are not really coming to Chicago, but to a generic
>> suburban hotel.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Gabriel Day <mailto:sharethetruth911@...>
>> *To:* tomtvedtenmd@... <mailto:tomtvedtenmd@...>
>> *Cc:* Rick Siegel <mailto:rick@...>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:44 AM
>> *Subject:* 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference
>> in Chicago, IL June 2-4th
>>
>> Upcoming International Conference sponsored by www.911truth.org
>> <http://www.911truth.org>
>>
>> *9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future*
>> * Chicago, IL June 2-4th
>> *An education and strategy conference that will move beyond past 9/11
>> events with a focus on strategy: How can the 9/11 truth movement win?
>>
>> For updates stay tuned to www.911truth.org <http://www.911truth.org>
>>
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>> at http://www.911truth.org/Grassroots_Organizer_Page.htm we still need
>> more contacts in many states, particularly
>>
>> P.S. Thanks to the continuing effort of local folks in Chicago who
>> have helped secure our location the Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago O'Hare
>> - See link below for floor plan for meeting rooms and capacity figures,
>> individual and when combined, and also you can take a photo tour but
>> hotel was recently redecorated.)
>>
>>
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>> Milwaukee, WI http://www.mwsocialforum.org/ - model for conference
>> registration - the Midwest Social Forum
>>
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>> http://www.truthemergency.us <http://www.truthemergency.us/> which had
>> the following
>>
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>> *David Kubiak
>> Janice Matthews
>> Gabriel Day
>> Jan Hoyer
>> Les Jameison
>> David Slesinger
>> Charles Key
>>
>> *Post Event Committee Additions:*
>> Jim Hoffman
>> Reed Simpson
>>
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>> Nafeez Ahmed
>> Robert Bowman
>> David Ray Griffin
>> Charles Key
>> Ray McGovern
>> Dorothy Mackey
>> Sunny Miller
>> Gael Murphy
>> Jenna Orkin
>> Peter Phillips
>> Morgan Reynolds
>> Peter Dale Scott
>> Paul Thompson
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>> Bonnie Faulkner
>> Joe Friendly
>> Tonya Gonzalez
>> Jim Hoffman
>> Barb Honegger
>> Tito Howard
>> hummux
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>> Nicholas Levis
>> Sunny Miller
>> Leuren Moret
>> Jenna Orkin
>> Don Paul
>> Peter Phillips
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[911InsideJobbers] Re: [Fwd: Fw: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference in Chicago,

Nice list of gatekeepers and 'gov't negligence' limited hangout artists, somebody must be getting worried, else why the concentration of "9/11 Truthlings"?

By having so many 'Illuminaries' of the '9/11 Truth Movement' together  at this event points to the fact that are losing their tenacious grasp over the public with their 'incompetence theory', so now they going to use the 'Faux News' method, getting as many talking heads repeating the same lines and most that hear it will believe that it must be true.

Personally, I find this encouraging. Time to start rattling the cage just a little harder. :)

BTW, does anyone have Aaron Brown's contact info?

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, greg nixon <nxngrg@...> wrote:
>
> Oh god is this ripe for flushing and a spray of aerosol. That got Tarpley in their ranks
> now as a calculated wedge between Nico (yet they do not highlight his book at the truth.org site)
>
> Let's put on an event DOWNTOWN during same time frame!
>
> Rosalee Grable webfairy@... wrote:
> Finally there's a dates set.
> It's the whole creepy Urantia gang.
> I notice there's no "Scholars for Truth" on the bill either.
> Gratefully they are not really coming to Chicago, but to a generic suburban hotel.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabriel Day
> To: tomtvedtenmd@...
> Cc: Rick Siegel
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:44 AM
> Subject: 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference in Chicago, IL June 2-4th
>
>
>
> Upcoming International Conference sponsored by www.911truth.org
>
> 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future
> Chicago, IL June 2-4th
> An education and strategy conference that will move beyond past 9/11
> events with a focus on strategy: How can the 9/11 truth movement win?
>
> For updates stay tuned to www.911truth.org and www.mujca.com
>
> and sign up for action alerts at http://www.911truth.org/users.php?mode=new
>
> and please help with 9/11 truth grassroots networking project at http://www.911truth.org/Grassroots_Organizer_Page.htm we still need more contacts in many states, particularly
>
> P.S. Thanks to the continuing effort of local folks in Chicago who have helped secure our location the Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago O'Hare - See link below for floor plan for meeting rooms and capacity figures, individual and when combined, and also you can take a photo tour but hotel was recently redecorated.)
> http://embassysuites.hilton.com/en/es/hotels/floorplans.jhtml?ctyhocn=CHIRMES
>
> Also note that the Midwest Social Forum will be July 6-9th in Milwaukee, WI http://www.mwsocialforum.org/ - model for conference registration - the Midwest Social Forum
>
> and for ideas the last time we gathered in July of 2005 see http://www.truthemergency.us which had the following
>
> Organizing Committee Members:
> David Kubiak
> Janice Matthews
> Gabriel Day
> Jan Hoyer
> Les Jameison
> David Slesinger
> Charles Key
>
> Post Event Committee Additions:
> Jim Hoffman
> Reed Simpson
>
> Rally Speakers:
> Nafeez Ahmed
> Robert Bowman
> David Ray Griffin
> Charles Key
> Ray McGovern
> Dorothy Mackey
> Sunny Miller
> Gael Murphy
> Jenna Orkin
> Peter Phillips
> Morgan Reynolds
> Peter Dale Scott
> Paul Thompson
>
> Workshops:
> Michael Badnarik
> Kevin Barrett
> Chris Emery
> Bonnie Faulkner
> Joe Friendly
> Tonya Gonzalez
> Jim Hoffman
> Barb Honegger
> Tito Howard
> hummux
> Charles Key
> Nicholas Levis
> Sunny Miller
> Leuren Moret
> Jenna Orkin
> Don Paul
> Peter Phillips
> Brian Sacks
> Dave Slesinger
> Merlin Staring
> Robert Stone
> Webster Tarpley
> Paul Thompson
> Ian Woods
> Barrie Zwicker
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] [Fwd: Fw: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference in Chicago, IL June 2-4th]

Oh god is this ripe for flushing and a spray of aerosol. That got Tarpley in their ranks
now as a calculated wedge between Nico (yet they do not highlight his book at the truth.org site)
 
Let's put on an event DOWNTOWN during same time frame!

Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com> wrote:
Finally there's a dates set.
It's the whole creepy Urantia gang.
I notice there's no "Scholars for Truth" on the bill either.
Gratefully they are not really coming to Chicago, but to a generic suburban hotel.

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:44 AM
Subject: 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference in Chicago, IL June 2-4th

Upcoming International Conference sponsored by www.911truth.org

9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future
              Chicago, IL June 2-4th
An education and strategy conference that will move beyond past 9/11
events with a focus on strategy: How can the 9/11 truth movement win? 
 
For updates stay tuned to www.911truth.org and www.mujca.com 
 
  and sign up for action alerts at http://www.911truth.org/users.php?mode=new
 
  and please help with 9/11 truth grassroots networking project   at http://www.911truth.org/Grassroots_Organizer_Page.htm we still need more contacts in many states, particularly
 
  P.S. Thanks to the continuing effort of local folks in Chicago who have helped secure our location the Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago O'Hare - See link below for floor plan for meeting rooms and capacity figures, individual and when combined, and also you can take a photo tour but hotel was recently redecorated.)
 
  Also note that the Midwest Social Forum will be July 6-9th in Milwaukee, WI  http://www.mwsocialforum.org/ - model for conference registration - the Midwest Social Forum
 
and for ideas the last time we gathered in July of 2005 see  http://www.truthemergency.us which had the following
 
Organizing Committee Members:
David Kubiak
Janice Matthews
Gabriel Day
Jan Hoyer
Les Jameison
David Slesinger
Charles Key

Post Event Committee Additions:
Jim Hoffman
Reed Simpson
 
Rally Speakers:
Nafeez Ahmed
Robert Bowman
David Ray Griffin
Charles Key
Ray McGovern
Dorothy Mackey
Sunny Miller
Gael Murphy
Jenna Orkin
Peter Phillips
Morgan Reynolds
Peter Dale Scott
Paul Thompson
 
Michael Badnarik
Kevin Barrett
Chris Emery
Bonnie Faulkner
Joe Friendly
Tonya Gonzalez
Jim Hoffman
Barb Honegger
Tito Howard
hummux
Charles Key
Nicholas Levis
Sunny Miller
Leuren Moret
Jenna Orkin
Don Paul
Peter Phillips
Brian Sacks
Dave Slesinger
Merlin Staring
Robert Stone
Webster Tarpley
Paul Thompson
Ian Woods
Barrie Zwicker
 


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[911InsideJobbers] Moussaoui Trial: Negligence vs. Prior Knowledge

...i think, the current Moussaoui trial inspired Bush's speech writers for
the relaunch propaganda of an alleged 2002 LA terror plot, last week.

The Problem is, all involved plotline idiots had been under radar years
before 9/11...
If the 9/11 family members would be not that stupid, corrupt or manipulated,
they would realize what's going on, but it's just hopeless...

Moussaoui Defense Reveals Details of Pre-9/11 Knowledge
WJLA - 5 hours ago
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0206/302031.html&cid=1104224656
McLean, VA (AP) - Lawyers for Zacarias Moussaoui say that US government
agents knew Moussaoui was an agent of Osama bin Laden but still failed to
aggressively investigate their
client...

http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/stories/ny-woqaid114622603feb11,0,84057.story?coll=ny-news-print
Suspect: I quit plot after 9/11
February 11, 2006

A man recruited by al-Qaida to pilot a plane in a second wave of Sept.
11-style attacks on the United States pulled out after seeing the carnage of
the 2001 assaults, Southeast Asian officials said Friday. The attacks were
never carried out...

...Security officials and terrorism experts in Southeast Asia on Friday said
Malaysian engineer Zaini Zakaria was among three men al-Qaida was preparing
to take part in an attack on the West Coast....

...Zaini, 38, has been detained without trial under the Internal Security
Act in Malaysia since he surrendered in December 2002. The other men
implicated in the plan were Zacarias Moussaoui, who is in U.S. custody, and
Abderraouf Jdey, who remains at large with a $5 million U.S. bounty on his
head.

Two Malaysian security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said
Zaini was the only suspect in the alleged plot known to be in Malaysian
custody.

Zaini traveled to al-Qaida camps in Afghanistan in 1999 and met senior
figures in the terrorist group, including Indonesian Riduan Isamuddin, or
Hambali, one of the Malaysian security officials told The Associated Press.
After returning to Malaysia that year, Zaini enrolled in a flight school and
obtained a license to fly a small plane. He then began making inquiries in
Australia about getting a license to fly a jet, the official said...

In 2003, the United States ordered a freeze on Zaini's financial assets and
those of several other suspects, Saiful said.

http://www.trackingthethreat.com/zsearch/ent.jsp?entId=1577
Zaini Zakaria Linked to Bali Nightclub Bombings - 2002

- Identifed as linked to the Bali bombings
- DOB 16 Jun 1967; alt. DOB 16 May 1967
- POB Kelantan, Malaysia
- Passport No. A11457974 (Malaysia)
- Last know address: A-1-8 Pangsapuri Sri Tanjung, Jalan Sky BS2, Bukit
Sentosa Rawang, Selangor 48300 West Malaysia

Prime Minister Helen Clark today released the names of 20 people designated
as terrorists with connections to the group behind the Bali
bombings.
http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=8031&cid=15&cname=Technology

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:rShF0pzoekQJ:www.faqs.org/docs/911/911Report-548.html+Zaini+Zakaria&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5

Faruq al Tunisi (a Canadian passport holder, discussed earlier as a
candidate hijacker) and Zaini Zakaria, a.k.a. Mussa (a Jemaah Islamiah
member who worked in Hambali's Malaysia stronghold and was directed by Atef
to enroll in flight training sometime in 2000, according to KSM).
Intelligence report, interrogation of KSM, July 8, 2003;
Inte

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:0pv8NONpEmEJ:hrw.org/reports/2005/malaysia0905/4.htm+Zaini+Zakaria&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6

.....The detainees’ lawyers, who saw their clients on December 28, told
Human Rights Watch of several assaults. Zaini Zakaria, in detention since
2002, from cell block T2B, reportedly was handcuffed and hit on the back of
his head with a metal rod by a guard..

Mohammed Atta - Slips Under Radar of 6 Countries?
By
Ewing2001
http://groups.globalfreepress.com/article.pl?sid=03/09/29/0347236&mode=thread
http://team8plus.org/forum_viewtopic.php?6.1704

5)Spain...

...According to the CIA, Terror Suspect Riduan Isamuddin, also known as
Hambali, ordered one of his deputies to host meetings between two eventual
Sept. 11 hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, and another
high-ranking al-Qaeda figure, at his apartment in Malaysia in January 2000.

The same two suspects were on the watch list of the CIA. According to DER
STERN, agents of 8 CIA-offices in Asia, observed the famous "Malaysia
Meeting" on January 8th, 2001.which resulted in him receiving twenty
stitches.41 ...

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[911InsideJobbers] Re: [Fwd: Fw: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference in Chicago,

Oh what could be more lovely than the "Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago
O'Hare"??

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> Finally there's a dates set.
> It's the whole creepy Urantia gang.
> I notice there's no "Scholars for Truth" on the bill either.
> Gratefully they are not really coming to Chicago, but to a generic
> suburban hotel.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Gabriel Day <mailto:sharethetruth911@...>
> *To:* tomtvedtenmd@... <mailto:tomtvedtenmd@...>
> *Cc:* Rick Siegel <mailto:rick@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:44 AM
> *Subject:* 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference
> in Chicago, IL June 2-4th
>
> Upcoming International Conference sponsored by www.911truth.org
> <http://www.911truth.org>
>
> *9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future*
> * Chicago, IL June 2-4th
> *An education and strategy conference that will move beyond past 9/11
> events with a focus on strategy: How can the 9/11 truth movement win?
>
> For updates stay tuned to www.911truth.org <http://www.911truth.org>
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> more contacts in many states, particularly
>
> P.S. Thanks to the continuing effort of local folks in Chicago who
> have helped secure our location the Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago O'Hare
> - See link below for floor plan for meeting rooms and capacity figures,
> individual and when combined, and also you can take a photo tour but
> hotel was recently redecorated.)
>
http://embassysuites.hilton.com/en/es/hotels/floorplans.jhtml?ctyhocn=CHIRMES

>
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>
>
> Also note that the Midwest Social Forum will be July 6-9th in
> Milwaukee, WI http://www.mwsocialforum.org/ - model for conference
> registration - the Midwest Social Forum
>
> and for ideas the last time we gathered in July of 2005 see
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[911InsideJobbers] [Fwd: Fw: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference in Chicago, IL June 2-4th]

Finally there's a dates set.
It's the whole creepy Urantia gang.
I notice there's no "Scholars for Truth" on the bill either.
Gratefully they are not really coming to Chicago, but to a generic suburban hotel.

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gabriel Day
To: tomtvedtenmd@yahoo.com
Cc: Rick Siegel
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:44 AM
Subject: 9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future conference in Chicago, IL June 2-4th

Upcoming International Conference sponsored by www.911truth.org

9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future
              Chicago, IL June 2-4th
An education and strategy conference that will move beyond past 9/11
events with a focus on strategy: How can the 9/11 truth movement win? 
 
For updates stay tuned to www.911truth.org and www.mujca.com 
 
  and sign up for action alerts at http://www.911truth.org/users.php?mode=new
 
  and please help with 9/11 truth grassroots networking project   at http://www.911truth.org/Grassroots_Organizer_Page.htm we still need more contacts in many states, particularly
 
  P.S. Thanks to the continuing effort of local folks in Chicago who have helped secure our location the Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago O'Hare - See link below for floor plan for meeting rooms and capacity figures, individual and when combined, and also you can take a photo tour but hotel was recently redecorated.)
 
  Also note that the Midwest Social Forum will be July 6-9th in Milwaukee, WI  http://www.mwsocialforum.org/ - model for conference registration - the Midwest Social Forum
 
and for ideas the last time we gathered in July of 2005 see  http://www.truthemergency.us which had the following
 
Organizing Committee Members:
David Kubiak
Janice Matthews
Gabriel Day
Jan Hoyer
Les Jameison
David Slesinger
Charles Key

Post Event Committee Additions:
Jim Hoffman
Reed Simpson
 
Rally Speakers:
Nafeez Ahmed
Robert Bowman
David Ray Griffin
Charles Key
Ray McGovern
Dorothy Mackey
Sunny Miller
Gael Murphy
Jenna Orkin
Peter Phillips
Morgan Reynolds
Peter Dale Scott
Paul Thompson
 
Michael Badnarik
Kevin Barrett
Chris Emery
Bonnie Faulkner
Joe Friendly
Tonya Gonzalez
Jim Hoffman
Barb Honegger
Tito Howard
hummux
Charles Key
Nicholas Levis
Sunny Miller
Leuren Moret
Jenna Orkin
Don Paul
Peter Phillips
Brian Sacks
Dave Slesinger
Merlin Staring
Robert Stone
Webster Tarpley
Paul Thompson
Ian Woods
Barrie Zwicker
 


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TBO.com: AP United States

TBO.com: AP United States

U.S. agents knew in August 2001 that Zacarias Moussaoui was an acolyte of Osama bin Laden and had traveled to Afghanistan, but they still failed to aggressively investigate, Moussaoui's defense lawyers said in a closed hearing.

Blogger Thoughts: What a confused situation.....


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SV: [Fwd: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Controlled Demolition Limited Hangout?]

>>>instead of having a 747 front bulge like the TV version.<<<

That bulge seems to be the starboard engine, not part of the cockpit.
The angle of the plane is just slightly different between the two
videos (your old one and the new one Perp found)

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> It's a cartoon. It's always been a cartoon. In this version the timing
> is off.
> The plane in this version is more representative of a 767 instead of
> having a 747 front bulge like the TV version.
> The Krash Kartoon on the CBS What WE Saw DVD doesn't hippityhop
anymore,
> so it must have been re-rendered.
> This one doesn't hippityhop either.
> Maybe this one is an outtake. I'll have to look at that DVD again to
see
> if they had cleaned up the "plane" like the one shown in this clip.
> This one has better shading.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/krash/krashkartoon2.jpg
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME HERE??????
> >
> > THE EXPLOSION STARTS BEFORE THE PLANE ARRIVES!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > WHAT THE @$#@^%!?
> >
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> wow. that is awesome.
> >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/krash/
> >> It's at the top of the page now.
> >> Who ever made this version did a better job. The "plane" does not
have
> >> the head bulge or fishtail in this version.
> >> If the timing were better, it would have been a much better fake
than
> >> the one they went with.
> >>
> >>
> >> perpetualynquisitive wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just tossing this into the salad bowl. This a clip that I ran
across
> >>> about 2 years or so ago and then forgot that I had it. It is
> >>>
> > obviously
> >
> >>> forged, as with all shots showing a 'plane'.
> >>>
> >>> Someone went through some major work on this clip and then buried
> >>>
> > this
> >
> >>> clip on an obscure website (looking through my archives to see
if can
> >>> backtrack exactly where I found it).
> >>>
> >>> Clip is here <http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FNNLPCG0> (close the
> >>> little ad box and the download button will be visible)
> >>>
> >>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
> >>> <perpetualynquisitive@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Nico, I have been going back over all the CNN coverage with
> >>>>
> > Brown, every
> >
> >>>> video with him is from that exact same angle.
> >>>>
> >>>> Note the 'impact' of the second hit is filmed at the same angle
> >>>>
> > as his
> >
> >>>> entire broadcast, as seen in the clip that I linked to, ergo same
> >>>> camera, it is just a zoom in that excludes him from our view.
> >>>>
> >>>> The flash of light shows that he is obviously not outside on a
> >>>>
> > roof, he
> >
> >>>> is inside a studio standing in front a screen.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have seen the same effect many times, as a friend of my mine's
> >>>>
> > sons
> >
> >>>> have a projector T.V. in their garage so that they can play Xbox
> >>>>
> > games
> >
> >>>> with 6 foot high characters.
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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[911InsideJobbers] Let's review the bidding :;-)

Been toying with nico's idea of hand-held from points nearby every since he mentioned it...........but I think we'd do well to re-examine the possibilities with some stuff we've been sorta overlooking.  Namely speed and exhaust trails.....
 
For instance, the various speeds of the vehicle that were found--all outside the mfr's envelope.  To exceed that by as much as 100mph at sea level is impossible.  There would be such banging, vibrations, violent shaking--and think how it would look to the world if a wing fell off before it even got to the towers!  It would be beyond embarrassment.   
 
So either the speeds are incorrect (thru missing frames) , or the aircraft ID is. Or it is entirely the work of fiction.
 
Second thing that's being overlooked I think, is the exhaust.  Planes with jet fuel don't leave exhaust trails except in cold temps, but things that burn rocket fuel do leave exhaust trails at sea level...
 
I'm fond of this one--only one not shot against a clear sky.. http://thewebfairy.com/911/squarecrash/squarecrash-dk.htm  It's the right size (small) but does it leave an exhaust trail?  Looks like a rapid descent.  Where is it coming from?
 
 
http://thewebfairy.com/911/krash/   The background doesn't seem right on PI's shot--It doesn't match up on the right and left side of the tower.


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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Why Electromagnetic Weaponry & Not Planted Charges?

So what material was the antenna made of?
These pictures tell you what caused the towers to collapse.
Ask any physics professor. Conventional demolition, sheesh. 
Funny thing is many people know what brought the towers down. These guys, in the videos who know their metals know or should suspect. They won't say because they don't believe anything that would do that exists.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: inphoman911
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:02 AM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Why Electromagnetic Weaponry & Not Planted Charges?

Ok.  What I meant was why not just use, super powerful explosives? 
Conventional, but more powerful than normal, mini nukes even?  Seems
simple enough to me.

I just would not advise using any limited opportunity we have before
the press to talk about secret invisible microwave beams.  That
would be suicide and a definite PR victory for the September
criminals.  We need to be pushing "explosives cremating Americans
alive" and not these other issues like did a plane hit the tower or
not, or was there a pod on it etc.  Good issues to discuss and
investigate amongst ourselves (it definately needs to be done), BUT
SUICIDAL ISSUES to bring up in front of the press.  No press is
better than that kind of press.


--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
<webfairy@...> wrote:
>
> I say they used everything but the kitchen sink, and maybe that
too.
> It was like the Kennedy assasination, when they had every single
> hit-team on the planet in Dallas that day.
> It was an excuse to keep people arguing this one or that one for
40
> years when the answer was "All of the Above."
>
> Every sentence that begins with "all of us know' needs to be
checked for
> accuracy.
>
> Nothing happens or is evident that the "collapse" in any way
mimics
> pancaking.
> Debris was thrown upward
> http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/projectile.avi
> 7 fell FASTER THAN FREEFALL THRU AIR
> http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%
20archive/911eyewitness_wtc7.wmv
>
> No "conventional" explosive could create the effects found in my
> h-effect directory.
> These are from the History Channel program "Relics from the Rubble"
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/h-effect
>
> "SIMPLE TASK" of making these massive buildings, designed to
withstand
> earthquakes and jet crashes turn to dust??
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/du1
> we knew more in 2003 than you know now.
> SIMPLE TASK???  Simple task. Cripes.
> In your imagination making two of the largest buildings in New
York
> crumple straight down into their own footprint was a "simple task."
>
> It is the direct evidence from video of the crime scene
>
>
> inphoman911 wrote:
> > All of us know that the controlled demolition of the Twin towers
was
> > designed to mimic a pancake theory collapse resulting from the
point
> > of impact of jetliners.  WTC7 was a conventional demolition
because
> > there was no jetliner crash to simulate.
> >
> >
> > Question #1. Why wouldn't the desigerns of the twin tower
demolition
> > use pre planted charges, just like they did in the case of WTC7
and
> > other conventional bottom 1st demolitions?  Why do you think
they
> > would want to use electromagnetic weaponry for the simple task
of
> > demolishing the twin towers?
> >
> >
> > Question #2.  Why was Firefighter, other 1st responder as well
as live
> > broadcast civillian eyewitness testimony consistent with
controlled
> > demolition resulting from conventional planted charges?  IOW,
why
> > would electromagnetic weaponry result in the "explosions" so
many
> > witnessed?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from Group: Blog Post about Michael B. Green

What I've proposed so far is as far as I'd like to go.
So far, so good. Factually it is correct. Or at least the facts haven't been proven wrong. The basic facts are the official story is purely a domestic issue - hijacked internal flights.NORAD not listening and going into Cold War mode saying they were [only] geared up for an external threat. 
 
Was there a diversion out at sea? Was an enemy vessel out there below or above the ocean? Who knows. Are NORAD plain stupid and should have been retired off years before? Somehow I don't think so.
 
I agree. Bingo! Everything, including the kitchen sink is being tossed our way to keep us occupied so that we can swirl those waters into an even more muddier mess.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: alexldent
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:59 AM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from Group: Blog Post about Michael B. Green

Okay.  Now-- what are you saying about what the F16s were doing going
out to the ocean?  And are you saying the missiles came from a US Navy
ship or not?

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...> wrote:
>
> It's this word elements within that needs a definition. Many are
naming the element within as people in the administration but there
are of course other elements. Religious, political, military,
environmentalists, business & criminal elements.
>
> Not only does the word terrorism need defining but inside job needs
one too. A few have defined what they mean as an inside job. But other
use an inside job to encompass all the above elements which only
infers that that excludes those accused in the official story. It
might help the "movement" if an "inside job" was defined. It might be
more of a selling point if what was put to the people was "al Qaida
didn't do 9/11. How could they when 67(?) times in the past smaller
aircraft have been located in American skies and got themselves a
fighter escort."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: alexldent
>   To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:39 PM
>   Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from Group:
Blog Post about Michael B. Green
>
>
>   You are touching on a fascinating idea-- that the navy shot the
missiles that
>   were used on 9/11 and the F16s were sent out to check out what the
navy
>   was doing (?)-- but I really don't follow your overall point.
Maybe the problem
>   is just semantics on what "inside job" means.  What is your
definition of "inside
>   job"?  Mine is simply that some elements of the USG were involved
actively in
>   the attacks.
>
>   --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > We know that F16's  were sent out to sea which has never really
been
>   explained. In fact it seems such a stupid thing to do. Or else too
obvious 
>   sending them on a wild goose chase as if to get them away from
where they
>   might hinder the "inside job". NORAD say that every defence system
was
>   pointing outwards towards an external threat. What forms of
external threat is
>   there? Well, many speak of missiles. Missiles have to be lauched from
>   somewhere. Also why was the US Navy made ready soon after 9/11 was
all
>   but over? What was the Navy going to do that the airforce couldn't
and
>   apparently didn't on the day? The threats, we are told were purely
domestic
>   flights. The atc's, the FAA and all other agencies were
concentrating of
>   domestic flights. So NORAD sends out the F16's out to sea [and
Lord knows
>   where the F15's got to] sounds very stupid, right. Do you think
the pilots would
>   have been so silent if they knew they had been sent on a fools'
errand?  
>   >
>   > IMO F16's were not sent on a wild goose chase and the Navy
wasn't made
>   ready for a "domestic" inside job that was all but over. You can
speak of
>   missiles but they had to come in from somewhere. And F16's sent up
must
>   have been sent up with a purpose and that wasn't surely to get
them out of the
>   way. The threat was "in your face" domestic. The military are not
dumb. That
>   fits in too conveniently with the case of negligence that gets the
admin off the
>   hook. You think the airforce F16's would have done a "victory"
flyover at the
>   Pentagon if they had just come back from a wild goose chase.
>   >
>   > You see, it looks too obviously an inside job although that is
not to say
>   assistance had to be obtained from insiders. This goes to the
point and the
>   question - why if it was an purely an inside job wouldn't 767's
from their
>   graveyard in the desert have been used. If they had we wouldn't be
here
>   today engaged in our search for the truth.  
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: alexldent
>   >   To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:04 AM
>   >   Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from
Group: Blog
>   Post about Michael B. Green
>   >
>   >
>   >   >>> I've never been convinced of an inside job although I have
an open
>   >   mind.<<<
>   >
>   >   Wha?????  If it wasn't an inside job, what were they covering up?
>   >
>   >
>   >   --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@>
>   wrote:
>   >   >
>   >   > Your link doesn't work.
>   >   > Unfortunately the other one does.
>   >   > Interesting statement because if two real 767's or
substitutes were
>   >   in the plan then "11" would have been a scheduled flight. And
so would
>   >   "77". Or both flights would have been reported to be private
charters.
>   >   >
>   >   > Something flew into the north tower and to hastily cover up
what it
>   >   was flight "11" was used.
>   >   >
>   >   > I've never been convinced of an inside job although I have
an open
>   >   mind. So far there is enough to support a hasty cover up. The
Pentagon
>   >   attack being the most speedily concocted one, I believe.
Although 93
>   >   is running a close second.
>   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   >   From: Bill Giltner
>   >   >   To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>   >   >   Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:19 PM
>   >   >   Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Request for Critique from
Group: Blog
>   >   Post about Michael B. Green
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   >   Check out my blog post here:
>   >   >
>   >   > 
>   >   http://bgtruth.blogspot.com/2006/02/we-believe-that-senior-
>   government.HTML
>   >   >
>   >   >   Here's my main point:
>   >   >
>   >   >   Additional Commentary by this Blogger:
>   >   >
>   >   >   Where Dr. Green goes horribly wrong: (is this on purpose?)
>   >   >
>   >   >   "To put matters plainly: any substitute plane would be an
exact
>   >   duplicate of
>   >   >   AA11 or UA175. To do anything else would be inviting
disaster. "
>   >   >
>   >   >   http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/loose_change.html
>   >   >
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[911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from Group: Blog Post about Michael B. Green

the ultimate "easter egg" is this video:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/krash/

btw, one can sort of see the plane emerge intact in this video, before
it explodes:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/saltergate/salterplane2.htm

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> > --- Urspr�ngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from
Group: Blog
> > Post about Michael B. Green
> > Datum: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:09:30 -0600
> >
>
>
> Rosalee,
> if this is the final conclusion, then here a simple question.
> In case, virtual cockpit is one and the same (in and exit,
> of this 2nd hit clip), there must be ZERO damage on the top and
basically
> look exactly the same.
>
> If we had extreme closeups from entry and exit of the "virtual
cockpit", we
> could prove same no damage tops. Am i right? I think, that was also
my idea,
> when i put Ickes' cockpit exit into my slideshow.
>
> We have to find more of these 'easter eggs' to convince everyone...
>
>
> >>>We are saying that it is NOT a "missile popping out" but is the
flight
> simulator butterplane cartoon

emerging after passing effortlessly
> through the building.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/butterplanes
> shows how the animations pop in one side and out the other.
> <<<
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 March for 9/11 Truth NYC: The Tipping Point?

BTW Spitzer is reported to have said on 9/11 something about the fall of the Roman Empire which I thought was a strange thing to think let alone speak for an American. 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: inphoman911
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:44 AM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 March for 9/11 Truth NYC: The Tipping Point?

We need creative ideas to get major media attention on this march. 
The media loves a catfight.  Maybe pitching the march the right way
to the press is the key.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@...>
wrote:
>
> http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=10254
>
> 2/20 March for 9/11 Truth NYC: The Tipping Point?     
>
> Malcom Gladwell in his new book:Tipping Point: How Little Things
Can
> Make a Big Difference believes "small actions can spark social
> epidemics." I am counting on it. Ladies and gentlemen we need  an
> epidemic of epic proportions to spread  - an awareness of the
> reality of what happened on 9/11(A) To use the words of
> Chossudovsky `The world is at the most serious crossroads in
modern
> history."(B)The fraudulent "War on Terror" threatens the very
future
> of humanity.
>
> This coming February 20th in New York City offers a chance for
> citizens action's to spark this
> social epidemic. 9/11 activists and concerned citizens will
confront
> media figures keeping 9/11 truth under wraps. We will confront two
> public figures seeking higher office on the back of 9/11. One is
> former New York City Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, the man mistakenly
> portrayed as a hero of 9/11, when in fact, he is a perpetrator of
> the crime. The other, the Attorney General Elliot Spitzer; running
> for Governor on a record that has allowed this monumental act of
> False Flag Terror to go unaccounted for in his district.  We will
> ask for Spitzer to resign, for Giuliani to be placed under arrest.
>
> The 9/11 truth movement is now over four years old. There have
been
> many false starts, many false hope campaigns and enough suffering
to
> go around for everyone. The moment in history for action is
closing,
> the machinery of war and the drumbeats for new conquests are now
> deafening.It is our moment to stave off a near certain
catastrophe.
> 9/11 truth is about more than justice for the past, it is about
what
> kind of world we want for our future.
>
> Let us recall,that a lone drag queen threw a punch at Stonewall
> thirty years ago and launched the Gay Rights revolution. A black
> woman refused to go and sit at the back of the bus and began the
> Civil rights Movement.. Can a letter and a warrant from the people
> bring down the giant criminal enterprise that America has become?
Do
> we want to leave our fate to fate. The evil that destroyed those
> majestic towers in New York did not come from a cave in
Afghanistan,
> it came from a dying militaristic Anglo empire. The book of
> fate,despite what Shakespeare may have thought is not written for
> us, it is ours to be written.
>
> Please all come to Ground Zero in lower Manhattan on February 20th
> (c)to meet and to march to restore  sanity to our teetering world.
> Please all come to Ground Zero and make your voices heard that we
> know what happened on 9/11 and the lives of 2,986 Americans and
the
> nameless thousands killed in the illegal wars abroad will not go
> unaccounted for. Please all come together to make our small
> symbolical action a chance for the truth to be heard . let us hope
> the tipping point will be here and now for an end to this frame-up
> on humanity, falsely named of "the war on terror"This is a war on
> freedom. Make Your voice heard in New York on 2/20, your future
> depends on it.
>
> A.http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132208/index.php
>
> B. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?
> context=viewArticle&code=CHO20051221&articleId=1576
>
>
> C.http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132209/index.php
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Another 9/11 WTC Planted Witness

There is a "Lerner" mentioned in a document shown in the Loose Change film. But Lerner is a common name in the States. This guy is very well dressed.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rosalee Grable
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Another 9/11 WTC Planted Witness

Google Video sure is cool!!

This one shows window washers going about their normal duties on a
building in front of the trade centers.
Somebody better than me at geography will have to tell which building
this is.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-926819146692237326


Bill Giltner wrote:
> He says his name is Eric Lerner (Learner?).
> I could not find a matching pic or other info with google.

> See video here:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4266798521868931180&q=wtc
> <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4266798521868931180&q=wtc>


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