Thursday, June 15, 2006

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1329

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Re: Hate is not a scientific term -- it is a loaded propaganda term From: Dick Eastman
Re: [anti-globalization] Trilateral Commission, Rothchilds, Bilderbe From: Dick Eastman
Neocon Killerclowns From: Dick Eastman
populist newspaper AFP cracks Bilderberg meeting -- Bilderberg worri From: Dick Eastman
Guantanamo is a cruel CIA system of psychological torture - prof. Al From: James Patton
***Extra Extra, Read All About (((IT)))***Follow up on Alex Jones & From: MarshaMcClelland
9/11 - The Fairy Tale from Hell From: James Patton
Flying a Plane Into the World Trade Center? Why Not Fly Out of LaGua From: reggie501
PS on ***Extra Extra, Read All About (((IT)))***Follow up on Alex Jo From: MarshaMcClelland
PS on ***Extra Extra, Read All About (((IT)))***Follow up on Alex Jo From: MarshaMcClelland
Rumsfeld orders Reporters out of Guantanamo following the suicides o From: Dick Eastman
articles: Israeli spy network uncovered in Lebanon -=- US reservists From: Dick Eastman
Fw: Rachel Corrie compared to Anne Frank -=- chief Sephardi rabbi ca From: Dick Eastman
Fw: Top-level Israeli military now at most important US-government c From: Dick Eastman
Nuremberg Trials: Crimes Against humanity: What Laws & Evidence: Fre From: Judy Cunningham
VOTE From: Bugs
Take action From: Bugs
Daughter Of GOP Candidate Running For Frist's Seat In Lezbo Pics From: Bugs



Re: Hate is not a scientific term -- it is a loaded propaganda term

Posted by: "Dick Eastman"

Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:47 pm (PST)

"Hate" is a propaganda word used in politics to twist things to blame the victim. The emotional responses to anger-eliciting stimuli are not the cause of aggression, they are co-effects of those eliciting stimuli. We become aggressive and we become angry because of some prior hurt or injustice. The hate does not cause the aggression. Let me explain.

Moslems react to a situtation.

Elicited anger responding, elicited frustration, elicited predisposition to be aggressive -- these are not causes, they are effects. They are emotional responses to environing circumstances.

And what about the situation -- the occasioning and eliciting stimuli -- that generate these emotions. It is Zionist acts of injustice and the Zionist prevention of freedom to address others to redress this injustice. They are wronged (killed, land stolen, blamed) and they have no recourse to justice.

That is what elicits emotional responses that we characterize as anger, frustration and occasions a predisposition to behave aggressively.

The Zionist Jew would tell you that the Moslem "hates" because he is one of a bad lot -- that Moselms are just rotten etc.

What could be more frustrating and anger-eliciting than a murdering theif who on top orf everything treats you like that.

Moslems are not doing anything wrong. The Jew has left absoultely no recourse to them the suicide bombing -- and the terrible thing is that the Jews want and love the Arab suicide bombings because they justify all of their theft and injustice against the Arab.

I have seen photos of Jews shooting a Palestinian in the head and then attaching a bomb to him and setting it off to make it look like a suicide bombing.

The Zionist Jews are the most dangerous threat to man kind on earth.

And remember -- it has been proven since 2002 that Zionist Jews perpetrated the 9-11 frame-up.

Here is the proof:

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.

Remember, "hate" is a propaganda word used in politics to twist things to blame the victim. Hate is anger responses and a predisposition to aggression that is elictied by someone -- elicited by injustice that one is prevented from correcting. The following is a propaganda pieces disguised as an essay of good will and peace making.

Jews steal your land and kill your brother, sister and chilren -- and you are prevented from bringing these crimes to law for justice. This situation elicits anger and also political acts -- not "extreme" acts, but the only acts left to a person that will have any impact -- BUT THE ANGER IS NOT THE CAUSE OF THE POLITICAL RESPONSE, IT IS MERELY ANOTHER EFFECT OF THE WRONG AND THE INJUSTICE INFLICTED.

How wrong to say that person X "hates" -- when what person "X" is doing is responding as any human being would to aversive stimuli . Anger is elicited in normal people -- the propagandists twist the facts and call the elicited anger "hate" and call for tolerance to make the anger go away -- while everyone forgets the injustice that continues to occasion both anger and aggression and would do so in anyone.
Helping young Muslims not to hate
One youth group teaches that all great faiths share non-violent values.
By Rushworth M. Kidder
Rushworth M. Kidder is president of the Institute for Global Ethics
CAMDEN, MAINE - The day that Ontario police foiled a bombing plot by 17 mostly young Canadians of South Asian descent, and before Al Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in Iraq, I was eating a Low Country breakfast in Charleston, S.C., with Eboo Patel.
A youthful Muslim with a passion for interfaith dialogue and a gift for simplifying the complex, Dr. Patel has a refreshingly clear view of a world crackling with tensions between Islam and the West.
The Rhodes Scholar with an Oxford doctorate in the sociology of religion lets his shrimp and brown gravy grow cold as he digs into one of the West's core challenges: the stereotyping of Islam as a religion that foments extremism and violence.
The challenge arises from a stark polarity. On one hand, he says, stands Osama bin Laden, whose principal role is as "a talent scout." Mr. bin Laden recruits angry young Muslims, trains them in "the tools of totalitarianism," and sends them forth as terrorists, supported by "the message machine that is Al Qaeda." Their purpose: To convert or kill people different from themselves.
On the other hand stand groups like the Interfaith Youth Core that Patel founded and runs in Chicago, helping youth of different faiths build understanding and cooperation. Groups like his recruit students, train them in community building, and help them understand that "all the great faiths have similar shared values." Their purpose: To create "the new city on the hill," where steeples and minarets stand beside temples and synagogues, "respectfully sharing space and collectively supporting the common good."
Question: Which group has more money? The answer is obvious. Al Qaeda, with ample resources to lure the disaffected, has little difficulty attracting young Muslims to a thesis of mayhem, which, Patel feels, is contrary to Islam but masquerades in religious garb. But where, Patel asks, are the alternative voices teaching his young coreligionists "what it means to be a Muslim in the modern world"? Compared to the polemics of Al Qaeda, why do the voices "encouraging young people to be the architects of pluralism" seem so muted?
In one sense, the answer is obvious. In contrast to the raw, simplistic urgency that Al Qaeda generates against those it demonizes, interfaith dialogue can seem pretty tepid. But it is just such dialogue that promotes an appreciation of nuance and subtlety and that builds a willingness to listen and cooperate. Such conversations remind us that the world's toughest issues are never merely right-versus-wrong but always right-versus-right. That's a far cry from the rancorous, hateful, black-and-white world view of radical fundamentalism - where, if I'm right, what can you possibly be but wrong?
But there's something deeper at work. As an undergraduate at the University of Illinois in the 1990s, Patel found that while "diversity was all the rage," nobody wanted to talk about religion. "Everybody was talking about what made them different," he says, "but nobody wanted to talk about what brought them together."
In his own quest, however, he found that the religious exemplars he most respected, from Christians like Martin Luther King to the Muslims battling South African apartheid, were committed to a core of shared values that included compassion and justice. He also realized that "religious and ethnic diversity was leading to bloodshed" in much of the world - though not in America.
For him, the remarkable thing about the United States, which he calls "the most religiously diverse country in the world," is its high degree of religious belief. "We mix both reverence and tolerance," he says admiringly.
That mix is probably unique in the world. What makes that possible? At bottom it has to do with the set of core values shared by the different faiths.
That sharing may appear (to use his word) as "tolerance." More accurately, I think, it's alignment.
It's one thing to tolerate the mosque on the hill beside your church or synagogue. It's something else to understand that, contrary to bin Laden's message machine, the values taught there - honesty, fairness, responsibility, respect, compassion - are perfectly aligned with your own.
The West needs to understand that peace among nations is intimately connected with a recognition that each faith tradition abides by a set of values it shares with all others. It needs to help young people of all faiths grasp a values-based alternative to hatred and violence.
Doing so makes it harder for Al Qaeda's recruiters to prosper - and easier for Muslims around the world to stand up against the perversions of their faith that lure young radicals in Canada, and middle-aged terrorist leaders in Iraq, into mayhem.
. Rushworth M. Kidder is president of the Institute for Global Ethics and the author of 'Moral Courage'.
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Posted by: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall

Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:48 pm (PST)

I say you're part of tyhe problem because you use several profiles, post racist/hate BS, incite arguments and then turn around and complain to yahoo and get people and whole groups deleted. Probably working for some corrupt zionist criminal outfit. I'm surprised that you were let back into apfn, especially after you threatened to get the group months ago.

Anybody with at least a peanut between their ears knows that mpr & pbs and the rest of the msm are banker/corporate/govt controlled. Can you say fascism???

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." -- William Colby former Director of the CIA.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." Almost everything you read or see in your newspaper or on TV is false information, mostly CIA disinformation which is "leaked." You have been conned by professional main stream press and CIA disinformation artists. -- former CIA director William Colby

"The CIA is not now nor has it ever been a central intelligence agency. It is the covert action arm of the President's foreign policy advisers. In that capacity it overthrows or supports foreign governments while reporting 'intelligence' justifying those activities. It shapes its intelligence, even in such critical areas as Soviet nuclear weapons capability, to support presidential policy. Disinformation is a large part of its covert action responsibility, and the American people are the primary target of its lies." -- Ralph McGehee former CIA intelligence analyst "Deadly Deceits: My 25 Years in the CIA"

Dann Dobson <> wrote:
And how is that Mr. Pierce? Simply because I point put that MPR and PBS are reliable sources of news?

Instead of name calling please tell us what you think are reliable news sources.

Dann Dobson

Richard Pierce <> wrote: You are a part of the problem, DD....

Dann Dobson <> wrote: I don't have a clue who eebeeb is, but he clealy does not understand NPR National Public Radio and PBS, the Public Broadcasting System, two of the most reliable sources of news in America. I find they are two of the most reliable and balanced news saources in America. They are not bound by commercial pressures and offer a balance to news that is seldom found elsewhere.

Maybe BEEB can tell us why he or she thinks NPR and PBS are not balanced, giving us specific examples.

In addition, why doesn't BEEB tell us, what he or she thinks is a balanced news source.

Just a disclosure, I used to work as a Journalist and have a masters degree from Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism.

Dann Dobson

eebeeb2004 <> wrote:
+ In a recent message partially titled "request to join," mention
was made of the possible demise of NPR and PBS. If both these "news
organizations" were to fold this morning, we would all be the better
for it. Like the infamous Federal Reserve, National Public Radio
and the Public Broadcasting System are neither national nor
+ In fact, ALL THREE of these entities are virulent enemies of the
U.S. citizenry. I guess that the cat is out of the bag regarding
this internet group's common knowledge concerning the Fed. That
leaves NPR and PBS to be examined. For starters, both of these
entities regularly note that they are NGOs (non-governmental
organizations) which are funded largely by "foundations," those
slippery groups which regularly dispense laundered money from
monopolistic corporations and their controllers, the international
+ If you have no personal knowledge of the broadcast content of
PBS and NPR, by all means take a look and have a listen. Israel,
Zionism and related topics are always front and center. We are
presented daily with a long line of Zionism-pushing commentators,
editorial writers, "reporters," CEOs, actors, film-makers, bankers,
ad nauseam--YOU NAME IT! These people are TERMITES munching away
interminably at the foundations of our republic, and they're not
going to quit until they've got us all locked up in foundation-
funded Cosmopolitan/Internationalist/Capitalist/Communist gulags!
+ So, just write a check to support these fraudulent propaganda

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Posted by: "Richard Pierce" phobicflyonthewall

Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:59 pm (PST)

So, you admit it!?!? "Trying to bait someone," your own words.

For starters, you were kicked out of this group twice months ago last year for doing exactly that and more. You even threatened to complain to yahoo to have apfn booted. I thought the second time was permanent, but it looks like you've been let back in recently. You even posted a message of how and what you usually did to get groups deleted. I'll say it again, you are part of the problem. Totally against freedom of speech, etc. Definitely a statist. Probably a totalitarian control freak at that. Am I right?

As for a reliable news source. APFN is better that any banker/corp/govt controlled TV network. There's a lot of good articles posted here. Not everything is worth reading here, but the ratio of good to bad here sure beats a TV network news program hands down. Most alternative sources are better.

Here's just one link to some of what dann dobson is and has been up to.

Dann Dobson <> wrote:
Mr. Pierce I have no ID who you are but I DO NOT POST Hate or racist messages.

When and where do you claim I did this? You might find ONE message several years ago, where I was trying to bait someone.

And you have not anwsered the question of what do you consider a reliable news source, since you don't trust PBS or MPR.

Dann Dobson

Richard Pierce <> wrote:
I say you're part of tyhe problem because you use several profiles, post racist/hate BS, incite arguments and then turn around and complain to yahoo and get people and whole groups deleted. Probably working for some corrupt zionist criminal outfit. I'm surprised that you were let back into apfn, especially after you threatened to get the group months ago.

Anybody with at least a peanut between their ears knows that mpr & pbs and the rest of the msm are banker/corporate/govt controlled. Can you say fascism???

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." -- William Colby former Director of the CIA.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." Almost everything you read or see in your newspaper or on TV is false information, mostly CIA disinformation which is "leaked." You have been conned by professional main stream press and CIA disinformation artists. -- former CIA director William Colby

"The CIA is not now nor has it ever been a central intelligence agency. It is the covert action arm of the President's foreign policy advisers. In that capacity it overthrows or supports foreign governments while reporting 'intelligence' justifying those activities. It shapes its intelligence, even in such critical areas as Soviet nuclear weapons capability, to support presidential policy. Disinformation is a large part of its covert action responsibility, and the American people are the primary target of its lies." -- Ralph McGehee former CIA intelligence analyst "Deadly Deceits: My 25 Years in the CIA"

Dann Dobson <> wrote:
And how is that Mr. Pierce? Simply because I point put that MPR and PBS are reliable sources of news?

Instead of name calling please tell us what you think are reliable news sources.

Dann Dobson

Richard Pierce <> wrote: You are a part of the problem, DD....

Dann Dobson <> wrote: I don't have a clue who eebeeb is, but he clealy does not understand NPR National Public Radio and PBS, the Public Broadcasting System, two of the most reliable sources of news in America. I find they are two of the most reliable and balanced news saources in America. They are not bound by commercial pressures and offer a balance to news that is seldom found elsewhere.

Maybe BEEB can tell us why he or she thinks NPR and PBS are not balanced, giving us specific examples.

In addition, why doesn't BEEB tell us, what he or she thinks is a balanced news source.

Just a disclosure, I used to work as a Journalist and have a masters degree from Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism.

Dann Dobson

eebeeb2004 <> wrote:
+ In a recent message partially titled "request to join," mention
was made of the possible demise of NPR and PBS. If both these "news
organizations" were to fold this morning, we would all be the better
for it. Like the infamous Federal Reserve, National Public Radio
and the Public Broadcasting System are neither national nor
+ In fact, ALL THREE of these entities are virulent enemies of the
U.S. citizenry. I guess that the cat is out of the bag regarding
this internet group's common knowledge concerning the Fed. That
leaves NPR and PBS to be examined. For starters, both of these
entities regularly note that they are NGOs (non-governmental
organizations) which are funded largely by "foundations," those
slippery groups which regularly dispense laundered money from
monopolistic corporations and their controllers, the international
+ If you have no personal knowledge of the broadcast content of
PBS and NPR, by all means take a look and have a listen. Israel,
Zionism and related topics are always front and center. We are
presented daily with a long line of Zionism-pushing commentators,
editorial writers, "reporters," CEOs, actors, film-makers, bankers,
ad nauseam--YOU NAME IT! These people are TERMITES munching away
interminably at the foundations of our republic, and they're not
going to quit until they've got us all locked up in foundation-
funded Cosmopolitan/Internationalist/Capitalist/Communist gulags!
+ So, just write a check to support these fraudulent propaganda

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Posted by: "Bugs" brawny1946

Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:04 pm (PST)


North American International Trade Super Corridor from Mexico to Canada, straight through the U.S., soon to be the North American Union...all while most of America pretends that nothing is wrong, and turns the other way. The cost? Our nation, and our freedom!!!!


Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway
by Jerome R. Corsi
Posted Jun 12, 2006
Quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing the plan to build a huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the Canadian border north of Duluth, Minn.

Once complete, the new road will allow containers from the Far East to enter the United States through the Mexican port of Lazaro Cardenas, bypassing the Longshoreman�s Union in the process. The Mexican trucks, without the involvement of the Teamsters Union, will drive on what will be the nation�s most modern highway straight into the heart of America. The Mexican trucks will cross border in FAST lanes, checked only electronically by the new �SENTRI� system. The first customs stop will be a Mexican customs office in Kansas City, their new Smart Port complex, a facility being built for Mexico at a cost of $3 million to the U.S. taxpayers in Kansas City.

As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready to begin construction next year. Various U.S. government agencies, dozens of state agencies, and scores of private NGOs (non-governmental organizations) have been working behind the scenes to create the NAFTA Super Highway, despite the lack of comment on the plan by President Bush. The American public is largely asleep to this key piece of the coming �North American Union� that government planners in the new trilateral region of United States, Canada and Mexico are about to drive into reality.

Just examine the following websites to get a feel for the magnitude of NAFTA Super Highway planning that has been going on without any new congressional legislation directly authorizing the construction of the planned international corridor through the center of the country.
a.. NASCO, the North America SuperCorridor Coalition Inc., is a �non-profit organization dedicated to developing the world�s first international, integrated and secure, multi-modal transportation system along the International Mid-Continent Trade and Transportation Corridor to improve both the trade competitiveness and quality of life in North America.� Where does that sentence say anything about the USA? Still, NASCO has received $2.5 million in earmarks from the U.S. Department of Transportation to plan the NAFTA Super Highway as a 10-lane limited-access road (five lanes in each direction) plus passenger and freight rail lines running alongside pipelines laid for oil and natural gas. One glance at the map of the NAFTA Super Highway on the front page of the NASCO website will make clear that the design is to connect Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. into one transportation system.

b.. Kansas City SmartPort Inc. is an �investor based organization supported by the public and private sector� to create the key hub on the NAFTA Super Highway. At the Kansas City SmartPort, the containers from the Far East can be transferred to trucks going east and west, dramatically reducing the ground transportation time dropping the containers off in Los Angeles or Long Beach involves for most of the country. A brochure on the SmartPort website describes the plan in glowing terms: �For those who live in Kansas City, the idea of receiving containers nonstop from the Far East by way of Mexico may sound unlikely, but later this month that seemingly far-fetched notion will become a reality.�
c.. The U.S. government has housed within the Department of Commerce (DOC) an �SPP office� that is dedicated to organizing the many working groups laboring within the executive branches of the U.S., Mexico and Canada to create the regulatory reality for the Security and Prosperity Partnership. The SPP agreement was signed by Bush, President Vicente Fox, and then-Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Tex., on March 23, 2005. According to the DOC website, a U.S.-Mexico Joint Working Committee on Transportation Planning has finalized a plan such that �(m)ethods for detecting bottlenecks on the U.S.-Mexico border will be developed and low cost/high impact projects identified in bottleneck studies will be constructed or implemented.� The report notes that new SENTRI travel lanes on the Mexican border will be constructed this year. The border at Laredo should be reduced to an electronic speed bump for the Mexican trucks containing goods from the Far East to enter the U.S. on their way to the Kansas City SmartPort.

d.. The Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) is overseeing the Trans-Texas Corridor (TTC) as the first leg of the NAFTA Super Highway. A 4,000-page environmental impact statement has already been completed and public hearings are scheduled for five weeks, beginning next month, in July 2006. The billions involved will be provided by a foreign company, Cintra Concessions de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A. of Spain. As a consequence, the TTC will be privately operated, leased to the Cintra consortium to be operated as a toll-road.
The details of the NAFTA Super Highway are hidden in plan view. Still, Bush has not given speeches to bring the NAFTA Super Highway plans to the full attention of the American public. Missing in the move toward creating a North American Union is the robust public debate that preceded the decision to form the European Union. All this may be for calculated political reasons on the part of the Bush Administration.

A good reason Bush does not want to secure the border with Mexico may be that the administration is trying to create express lanes for Mexican trucks to bring containers with cheap Far East goods into the heart of the U.S., all without the involvement of any U.S. union workers on the docks or in the trucks.


Re: [anti-globalization] Trilateral Commission, Rothchilds, Bilderbe

Posted by: "Dick Eastman"

Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:17 pm (PST)

----- Original Message -----
From: "jameslchase" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:37 PM
Subject: [anti-globalization] Trilateral Commission, Rothchilds, Bilderberg group, Federal Reserve blah, blah,

> Security and Prosperity Partnership, Trilateral Commission,
> Rothschild's, Bilderberg group, Federal Reserve blah, blah, blah.

Is "Security and Prosperity Partnership" an institution? Is it a compact of some sort? More grist for the conspiracy theorist's mill, eh Mr. Chase?

> Basically I see nothing wrong with the above other than I disagree
> with some of the thoughts of the members. Those that get all worked up
> at the mention seem to me to be over the top and manipulated by the
> extreme left and the extreme right.

Does it bother you that you cannot participate in the politics that affects the directions taken by these "movers and shakers" -- that these movers and shakers move Congress and the Presidency while the election process seems incapable of ever getting the averages citizen's most strongly felt poltical preference a hearing.
> These are think tanks of private citizens, citizens from around the
> world and movers and shakers. Hello like a town meeting, or a meeting
> of our enemies, such as the Communist Party who loves you to hate the
> above. We needed the Federal Reserve so we started one.

These are more than think tanks -- the decisions reached become the policy of the United States, they become the new laws. This is a government, not a collection of debating societies.

> So when Minutemen get together and hash out ideas this is also a
> problem? It is for the other side. What are they saying in those
> meetings, those Minutemen. They must be vigilantes, racists, murders,
> etc. We get the same bad press from the same bad people.

Yes, there is mutual distrust based on a few high profile bad examples. However, while the problem is that we do not know each other, it is not to be denied that the elite organizations seek in secret to re-fashion the world.
> You hate these above names yet know little about them. These, for the
> most part, are capitalist meetings,..the haves.

My point above, in case it was not clear, is that those elite personages ban together in organizations that actually end up governing us -- and for this we have reason to be angry that they control us without letting us know why and how.

> The ones that see to
> it you have a car, a place to stay, products and services to sell and
> to buy. A good functional economic system.

The merchant bankers who are going to run this world with their hired intellectuals must not be confused with the free-market system. These are the people who have monopolized capital through the manipulation of money and credit. Don't confuse the monopolists with the entrepreneurs and engineers -- the monopoly with the market.

The average conspiracy theory is no Marxist. He believes in the market system and private property. He also believes that there are conspiracies by ruling interest groups to rig the markets -- not to make better mousetraps, but to monopolize capital -- to drain the middle class who are the real fount of entrepreneurship and innovation. Your elite interests control the country by rigging the game for their own aggrandizement -- and they do so by the power exerted by those "think tanks" that are really de facto government. The ruling group is the actual seat of sovereignty in this country -- not the people, not true representatives of the people, and certainly not the Constitution of Madison and Jefferson.

You work, you get
> paid....(Go to Mexico, you work you get jack. Go to Cuba, North Korea,
> China you slave all day and go home hungry. In the USA you get a head
> ache trying to figure out just what you are going to have for dinner.
> Oh tough life. Try Africa for and year and you will know what a diet
> is.)

You will recall Ricardo's law of comparative advantage whereby foreign trade yields mutual advantage to each country -- except that this theory only is operative when its necessary assumptions are met -- those assumptions being immobility of labor and capital. When only goods and raw materials are traded international, mutual gain does obtain -- however if capital is able to migrate then capital will flee to the country with absolute advantage (and by this thinking the lower-wage-level country has an absolute advantage) -- so that given two states like the U.S. and Mexico or like the U.S. and China -- capital will migrate to the country with the lowest wages. The middle class of the United States is destroyed because of this kind of non-Ricardian 'free trade' And remember, standard of living is a function of the productivity of labor ( the marginal revenue product of labor) and that in turn is a function of how much industrial capital is wrapped around each worker. In the U.S. industrial capital has all fled to China and Malaysia and Mexico etc. And India. The fact is that even the high tech jobs are being lost to India -- as firms relocate their research arms just as they have relocated their manufacturing arms. This has happened not because of mutual gain from free trade, but rather because the soverign privileged minority who governs this country have set things up that way -- and did so without asking us, without telling us -- by their buying of the politicians and news media and so forth.

And yes, not only is industrial capital fled, but also -- that other violated assumption of Ricardo -- labor is flooding in to lower wages and standards of living.

Here, You start your own business you get paid more. You create,
> you get paid big time. Then you are among the happy wealthy hated
> ones, taking your kids off on expensive vacations...and putting them
> in private schools with restrooms that don't look like a third world
> hole.

You describe the America once existed -- not since the 1920's perhaps or the 1950's -- but the small business has perished because it has no place in the scheme of the banker's CFR and Trilateral Commission and WTO and even the "Security and Prosperity Partnership" you spoke of.
> You don't like the way a product works, or the service, you make a
> better ptoduct or give better service and you get rewarded.

Not when capital is monopolized I don't. You are arguing von Hayek and von Mises and Rothbard etc against communism and the planned economy. That debate has been won. There is a new debate now -- we are now arguing against the control of governance by the masters of the great corporations -- governance that has no place for the opinions of the common man, of the once-but-no-longer middle class.

In my view the Rockefellers and Rothschilds and Goldman Sachs etc. have built a global command economy of large units that are not run on the market basis -- these large syndicates/networks/conspriracies of globalization actually rig the markets, because their money capital flows can enter a country or a region and create a boom, and as quickly as it came it can be withdrawn (often as punishment of a government for listening to their citizens rather than to the internationalists etc.) leaving an economy in ruins -- and these booms and busts are man made -- and money is made hand over fist by the people controlling the credit levers.
> Keep fighting and bitching about these Capitalist think tanks and you
> will end up enslaved under Communism. You will be told what work you
> will do. You will be inprisoned, maybe executed if you whine. And all
> the days you live under Communism you will eat what little there is
> and barely stay warm in the winter and cool in the summer.

The big comunist country is China -- where its princelings sell the nations people as wage slaves to the corporations of the west -- the essence of corruption -- and who are their partners? who but the Rockefeller interests on the other interests behind these "think tanks" -- take for example "Kissinger and Associates"

> Who writes anti-capitalist stuff but the Communist elitists, the
> wrongly inspired ignorant, and the programmed. Hello! Capitalism is
> our bread basket. Free Enterprise and Democracy is the only way to go.

The Communists are owned by the capitalists -- both are organized crime working together for wealth and power.

The real division in the world is between the globalist crime syndicate and populism.
> I have no problem with the wealthy. It is they that can think, give us
> jobs and we survive. They grow rich in America. The intelligent, smart
> working deserve it.

I disagree. The best minds are left to go to seed. There is enough talent and intelligence among the unemployed and the burger flippers to create a new utopia in the United States -- but the violation of Ricardo's assumptions for mutual gain from trade have left them unfruitful. Horatio Alger stories are good for the soul -- we all want to live in a world where determination, creativity, inititative, pluck etc. pay off -- in fact that is what I want to put back into this country -- I want nothing for myself --- but I do want everyone to have the chance to be a Ford or an Edison -- but not a John D. Rockefeller -- if he can. (Are you related to Samuel Chase? btw)

> More and more I see the left teaching in our school system turning out
> people that strive to kill free Enterprise and the entrepreneurial
> spirit for Socialism that will lead us to Communism.

No. The schools are turning out not liberally educated individuals, but mere trained technicians -- the schools are taking over the job training of corporations -- outcome based education is the result of corporations forcing their system on local school boards -- and it has failed -- it has led to the proletarianization of the population. The elite build an education system that would not turn out entrepreneurs to compete with their sons and daughters at Harvard and Yale. etc.
> The Trilateral commission, the Bilderberg Group is a bunch of guys and
> girls from the good countries, hello. Money talks, talk walks....These
> are the money men and women, yes, money you need to feed your family.

You have just admitted that money rules -- and the voice of the citizen, not matter how intelligent and apprised of the facts counts for nothing.
> Who is it you want in charge, fools like Mao, Stalin and Che Guevara?
> Idiots, fools, masters of pain and starvation? How's about the Tom
> Metzgers of the world?

At least one of these men is certainly superior to George Bush, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton or John Kerry. But we do not want people who believe in government ownership of all means of production and the centrally planned economy. Rather we seek free enterprise where the wealth is even ly distributed. You average currency trader is no more fit to rule this world than Zhou Enlai or Pol Pot.

The people making money today are making money from war -- a war they started in order to make money (and to make Israel secure). In fact it was their brand of financier's "entrepreneurship" that resulted in the 9-11-01 false-flag mass-murder frame-up -- in order to get this profitable war. Here is the proof of that statement:
> The Bush family are rats and traitors yes, but the silly idea that the
> Bush's are Nazi lovers...Yeah, Senior George Bush is a Nazi. Right, he
> was shot down by the Japanese and came minutes away from being
> literally eatten by allies of the Nazi.

George Sr. jumped out of a plane in his parachute -- the other guys didn't get out. The same thing is happening to America.

Mass-murder of American citizens in New York and at the Pentagon -- a black-op to make war -- the Zionist Neocons doing it for Israel -- the defense corporations and the big investment banks that lend the money for war doing it for profit.

> He had a information or $$$ interests in former Nazi.

Let me stop here.

I hope you will respond to some of these statements of mine.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.

> The wealthy have money and we want money to buy goods and services. We
> want it and will get it by working for them.
> Do you think they owe us? They don't. What they owe is what you will
> work for. blah, blah, blah
> The problem here in America is run away government that has decided to
> ignore what we, a representative government have voted into law. When
> they selectively enforce or do not enforce law we are a dictatorship.
> When our Representatives vote other than the will of their people we
> are in trouble.
> Another problem is activist judges that have decided to twist the
> meaning of law to their political slant. This again is a type of
> dictatorship where the tail swags the dig.
> There is nothing wrong with all these groups that get together and try
> to figure out where the world and individual countries should go,
> next. Sure they have agendas. You have an agenda. I have an agenda.
> Lets vote on it.
> They pedal influence. I am pedaling influence by writing this and
> putting it out.
> I say to you think and grow rich. Think and stay Free. Think and
> decide to be Happy! Don't sweat the small stuff and it is all small
> stuff.
> However, Fight on, for truth, Justice, and the American way.
> Oh, and sharpen your bayonets and clean your rifles. Stock pile dry
> clean ammo for the day they decide to stop voting and take over by
> force. Buy just two rifles for each person in your family. One that
> fires the NATO round and one that fires the Communist AK round, and
> you are set. I have purchase 5 just for myself in the last 12 months,
> bullet proof vests, night gear to see in the dark, Got certified to
> pack a hidden gun in 33 states.
> Why, because the Communist Party has big plans for America and now
> even the Republicans are playing into their plans, out of greed.
> Citizen Chase
> I hope you never fear those mountains in the distance
> Never settle for the path of least resistance
> Living might mean taking chances, but they're worth taking
> Loving might be a mistake but it's worth making
> Don't let some hell bent heart leave you bitter
> When you come close to selling out, reconsider
> Give the heavens above more than just a passing glance
> And when you get the choice to sit it out or dance
> I hope you dance I hope YOU dance
> Lee Ann Womack
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Neocon Killerclowns

Posted by: "Dick Eastman"

Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:00 pm (PST)

From: "Sean McBride" <>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:27 PM
Subject: [ctrl] Neocon Assclowns



But here's who Hutchenson (and the White House) consider "the critics":

"In addition to [Fred] Kagan, Bush heard from Eliot Cohen, a professor of strategic studies at Johns Hopkins University, journalist Robert Kaplan and former CIA officer Michael Vickers, who now is with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments."

We're talking, in other words, about the same neocon assclowns who got us into Iraq in the first place, who made a complete mess out of the initial occupation with their idiotic, Israel-centric views about what's wrong with the Arabs, and who've been consistently clueless about every single policy issue they've opened their freaking pieholes about -- and they open them so often they've got pie filling permanently dribbling down their chins. To call these guys war "critics" is like calling Typhoid Mary a "critic" of 19th century hygene standards.

If Bush called in people like Gen. Zinni or William Lind or Ahmed Hashim or Andrew Bacevich (in other words, people who actually know what they're talking about) and listened to what they had to say, instead of spouting self-serving nonsense in their faces for 10 minutes and then shooing them out of the Oval Office, that would be taking advice from his critics. What Hutcheson is talking about is offering olive branches to the same neocon mafia that has virtually wrecked Bush's presidency. And yet somehow the White House propaganda department convinced Hutchenson to toe the party line, right down to the millimeter.

So I think I have to take back what I said about how any child could fool the White House press corps. No self-respecting child would be caught dead talking to such utter chumps.


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populist newspaper AFP cracks Bilderberg meeting -- Bilderberg worri

Posted by: "Dick Eastman"

Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:52 am (PST)

Bilderberg worried it can't control Chavez, Iran, neo-con war machine

By James P. Tucker Jr.

As Bilderberg gathers at the posh Brook Street Resort,
there was concern that Latin America will use oil as a weapon
to block expansion of NAFTA throughout the Western Hemisphere
and whether Bush could be talked out of an all-out invasion of Iran.

Bilderberg is concerned that leftist governments in Latin America,
led by Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, will use manipulation of oil supplies
and prices to form an economic union that would include
Brazil, Cuba, Peru and Mexico.

Such a union, by refusing to join NAFTA, would wreck
Bilderberg's long-standing goal of expanding NAFTA
throughout the Western Hemisphere and evolving it into an
"American Union" patterned after the European Union.
The dollar would become the common currency of the American Union.

Reaction to Chavez's earlier announcement that he would exact
new taxes on companies that extract oil from his country was angry
This directly affects Bilderberg, which has its own oil bloc,
including Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands
and the Rothschild companies of Britain and Europe.

Companies affected include Exxon Mobil Corp., Chevron Corp,
Conoco-Phillips, Total, BP PLC and Norway's Statoil ASA.
Chavez also irritated the striped-britches boys by offering oil
at low prices to impoverished locations in the United States and Britain.

His domestic oil is subsidized - Venezuelans pay 12 cents a gallon.
There is a feeling expressed among Bilderberg luminaries
that Chavez is having fun with them.
They are not known for humor.

But Bilderberg says its "policies" are turning the Chavez threat around.
Chavez hosted the OPEC meeting in Caracas but his proposal
for a cut in oil production to boost prices was rejected.
OPEC has maintained its official output ceiling
at 28 million barrels a day since July 2005.

It has been reported that Mexico's Felipe Calderon
of the America - friendly National Action Party now leads
in the polls over the populist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador
in the July 2 presidential election.

Although he is from the same party as President Vicente Fox,
Calderon has cast himself as a rival who advocates improving
Mexico's economy so there would be no incentive
to illegally enter the United States.

In Peru, Ollanta Humala, who is friendly with Chavez,
lost to former president Alan Garcia.
While Bilderberg has celebrated America's "little wars,"
there has been opposition by the European wing to the invasion of Iraq
and Afghanistan from the outset. With NATO taking on
a larger role in Afghanistan, the controversy has calmed a bit.

But European Bilderbergers fear a United States attack on Iran,
which would have a tremendous global impact.

The meeting is set to begin on Friday, June 9. AFP will be there
covering the event over the course of the weekend.
The Bilderberg group takes it name from the hotel in Holland
where the group met in 1954, during the earliest period of its inception.

Bilderbergers meet regularly, presumably on a once-a-year basis,
at various locations around the world, always in extreme secrecy,
often at resorts controlled by either the Rockefeller or Rothschild families.
The Rothschild family is the leading European force within the Bilderberg
group, sharing its power with the American - based Rockefeller empire.

Bilderberg maintains an extremely low profile and seldom,
if ever, publishes reports or studies for the public,
at least, under its own official aegis. Participants denied
the group's very existence for decades until it was forced
into the open by the glare of media publicity, generated largely
by the now defunct Spotlight newspaper.

It follows so-called "Chatham House rules," whereby attendees
are forbidden to speak on the record about topics of discussion
during the gathering.

(Issue #24 & 25, June 12 & 19, 2006)

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Guantanamo is a cruel CIA system of psychological torture - prof. Al

Posted by: "James Patton" james_patton

Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:54 am (PST)

You can choose an real or windows media and watch a replay
of this great interview from Lateline homepage if quick,
or the Lateline archive if slow
with Prof. Alfred McCoy about development of torture in general and
about David Hicks in particular. Thank goodness David Hicks has such
great people going for him even if our dreadful government is not!

Other articles about Prof. Alfred McCoy and his book A QUESTION OF TORTURE:

Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 13/06/2006

Hicks 'severely damaged', says CIA expert

Reporter: Tony Jones

TONY JONES: Well, Alfred McCoy is Professor of history at the
University of Wisconsin. In 1972 he wrote The Politics of Heroin: CIA
Complicity in the Global Drug Trade,, which is now regarded as a
seminal work on the CIA's complicity in Asian drug trafficking. His
latest book is A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation from the Cold
War to the War on Terror, which examines the CIA's development of
psychological torture over the past 50 years. And in an article in
the latest edition of the Monthly magazine, he turns his attention to
the treatment of David Hicks in Guantanamo Bay, which he says must be
viewed through the lens of CIA torture techniques. Well, he joins us
now from Madison Wisconsin. Thanks for being there and can I first
get your reaction of the suicide deaths at Guantanamo Bay on the weekend?

one by Admiral Harris and the other by the State Department official
that this is an act of asymmetrical warfare, that this is a good PR
stunt, is indicative of the Guantanamo mentality. Guantanamo is not a
conventional military prison. It's an ad hoc laboratory for the
perfection of the CIA psychological torture. Guantanamo is a complete
construction. It's a system of total psychological torture, designed
to break down every detainee contained therein, designed to produce a
state of hopelessness and despair that leads, tragically, sadly in
this case to suicide. The statements by those American officials are
indicative of the cruel mentality at Guantanamo.

TONY JONES: Those are pretty dramatic statements you are making. I
would have to say, though, the Red Cross is about to go and do an
urgent inspection of the prison and it does appear that their reports
back in 2004 do back up a lot of what you are saying. They also
decided that what was happening at Guantanamo Bay amounted to a
system of torture.

wasn't just isolated cases. They said that the entire system of
treatment of detainees, designed to do one thing, and one thing only
- extract information - constituted a system of cruelty, a system of
torture. No qualification, not tantamount to torture - a phrase
they'd used before - but torture per se. Confinement at Guantanamo
constitutes torture. The question is, what kind of torture? It is
psychological torture. Not the conventional, physical, brutal
torture, but a distinctively American form of torture - psychological torture.

TONY JONES: I'm going to come to the history of how you say that form
of torture was evolved by the CIA. Can I first go, though, to some of
the most compelling testimony I've read in the account you've given
recently in your essay to the Monthly magazine and that comes from
FBI officers who visited Guantanamo Bay. Can you tell us, first of
all, why they were visiting and why they were writing these reports?

for the past 60 years, until the start of the war on terror, been in
charge of US counter-intelligence and, indeed, the investigation of
East African bombings by al-Qaeda in 1998, for example, were handled
by the FBI. So the FBI is a partner with the CIA and military
intelligence in the war on terror generating intelligence to fight
the war on terror. Now, there's a distinct difference between the CIA
methods and the FBI methods. The CIA have allowed the Bush White
House to use enhanced techniques whose sum is indeed torture. The
FBI, reflecting its legal culture, do not torture. The FBI use a form
of torture we might call empathetic interrogation. That is to say,
you form a bond with the subject - the interrogator and the subject
develop a personal relationship and through this relationship you get
accurate, reliable, non-coerced intelligence and information that, by
the way, will stand up in a court of law. So the FBI are down at
Guantanamo and they have been appalled by what they saw. The standard
techniques used on countless detainees - blasted with sound, blasted
with light, confined in the dark, short shackled, long shackled. Now,
all of the techniques that the FBI describe and literally dozens of
emails from Guantanamo are basically describing the two foundational
techniques that are key to the CIA psychological torture paradigm.
That is self-inflicted pain in the form of -

TONY JONES: OK. Sorry to interrupt you there, Dr McCoy. Once again I
will come to the history of how that evolved in just a moment and
we'll talk in more detail about it. I'm very interested in what
specifically the FBI officers reported about how individuals were
treated. You spoke in general terms and in your essay you talk about
some specific cases - people they found unconscious on the ground in
cells and so on.

were short-shackled to the floor for days at a time. One detainee so
desperate that overnight he pulled his hair out, hair by hair. Others
covered in faeces, their own waste. Many detainees suffering signs of
psychological breakdown. Another thing the FBI established very
clearly is that these techniques were of course counter-productive.
The FBI would often start interviews and after one of their subjects
was subjected, for example, to a regime of strobe lights or blasting
rock music, that when the FBI tried to conduct their next interview,
the detainees were suddenly hostile and non-cooperative.

TONY JONES: There was evidence the FBI officers saw of people being
broken psychologically?

it. Absolutely. They described detainees huddling, quivering, signs
of extreme psychological stress. There is also the documented case of
the famed detainee Rasul, who was subjected to these techniques of
rock music, strobe lights, extreme isolation in a darkened cell for a
period much less than David Hicks, by the way, and Rasul was so
desperate to end this regime of treatment that shown a video of 40
Jihadists in Afghanistan seated beside Osama bin Laden, he falsely
identified himself as one of the jihadists and it wasn't until an
agent of MI5 arrived from Guantanamo and established he had been a
clerk in an electronics shop in the United Kingdom and not a jihadist
in Afghanistan at the time he said he was that the US officers
realised he'd given false information in order to end this harsh treatment.

TONY JONES: We should note at this point that Shafiq Rasul was in
fact released. The British caused him to be released. I gather he's
now back in Britain, but he's a co-litigant, is he not, with David
Hicks in the case against the US President?

co-litigant with David Hicks in the landmark decision called Rasul v
Bush. David Hicks was the initial litigant, he was the first one,
that case started in February 2002, right after detainees began
arriving in Guantanamo Bay and David Hicks through his persistence,
his refusal to capitulate, his refusal to be broken remained one of
the longest standing litigants in that case. The result was a
stunning rebuke for the Bush Administration by the US Supreme Court.
The Bush Administration had taken the position that Guantanamo Bay is
not US territory. The US naval installation at Guantanamo is not US
territory and thus was not subject to US courts. The Supreme Court
ruled in that landmark case Rasul v. Bush, that indeed Guantanamo is
US territory and is thus subject to habeus corpus writs resulting in
160 cases being filed on behalf of 300 detainees. That decision is
going to be further tested either this month or next in another
landmark case Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, which will test, by the way, the
legality of the military commissions. David Hicks is also very
significant in the military commissions because as detainee 002 on
the Pentagon's list he was picked to be the first of those 700
detainees tried by the military commissions.

TONY JONES: OK. Let me take you back now into history and back into
your book and your research essentially, Question of Torture. The
history of the CIA's attempts to break people through interrogation
stem right back to the Cold War and to a point where the CIA believed
the Soviets had made huge advances on psychological techniques; is that so?

the deepest darkest days of the Cold War initially as a defensive
move, the CIA launched a massive mind control project to crack the
code of human consciousness, a veritable Manhattan project of the
mind with research expenses reaching up to $1 billion a year at peak
in the 1950s and the first breakthrough in this massive project came
at McGill University. It was actually a joint Canadian, British, US
effort, top-secret effort, and Dr Donald O. Hebb at McGill University
found that he could induce a state akin to psychosis in a subject
within 48 hours. Now, what had the doctor done? Hypnosis,
electroshock, LSD, drugs? No. None of the above. All Dr Hebb did was
take student volunteers at McGill University where he was head of
Psychology, put them in comfortable airconditioned cubicles and put
goggles, gloves and ear muffs on them. In 24 hours the hallucinations
started. In 48 hours they suffered a complete breakdown. Dr Hebb
noted they suffered a disintegration of personality. Just goggles,
gloves and ear muffs and this discovered the foundation, or the key
technique which has been applied under extreme conditions at
Guantanamo. The technique of sensory disorientation. I've tracked
down some of the original subjects in Dr Hebb's experiments of 1952
and men now in their 70s still suffer psychological damage from just
two days of isolation with goggles, gloves and ear muffs. David Hicks
was subjected at peak to 244 days of isolation, the most extreme
isolation in the 50-year history of these CIA psychological torture
techniques. David Hicks has suffered untold psychological damage that
will take a great deal of care, a great deal of treatment and
probably the rest of his life to move beyond. To say that David Hicks
has not been tortured, to say that David Hicks is only suffering from
a sore back, a statement that's been made by the Foreign Minister, I
think that just flies in the face of a fact. It represents an
ignorance of what torture is, particularly what psychological torture is.

TONY JONES: Do you have any direct evidence that David Hicks was
subject over a prolonged period to the sort of things you're talking
about, sensory deprivation on that scale with hoods and masks and so
on because from what I've read he was subjected to that in the very
early days for a short period of time.


TONY JONES: And then he was put in solitary confinement.

an extreme form of solitary confinement for 244 days. OK? A dark cell
denied any sunlight, denied any emotional support. His contact
limited to once a week visits with his military chaplain, OK? So
imagine that? 244 days locked up inside a cell with no human contact,
no sunlight. That's an extreme form of sensory disorientation. That
leads to tremendous psychological damage and when Hicks' civilian
attorney Joshua Dratel first met him for the first time he found
Hicks was in a severely damaged and stressed psychological state,
obsessed with himself, unable to grasp reality and unable to focus on
the real issues in this case. Showing all the signs, the same kind of
signs that the FBI noted in their emails about the treatment of other
Guantanamo detainees. Treatment by the way that the International Red
Cross has called torture.

TONY JONES: Alfred McCoy, one of the strange things about the Hicks
case is he appears to have virtually incriminated himself in a freely
given interview with the Australian Federal Police where over a very
long period of time he spells out - and evidently under no duress -
he spells out how he had training in three phases in al-Qaeda camps
in Afghanistan. Given that he openly gave that information to
Australian interrogators, why would there be any need to torture him?

a system of torture, OK? The complete isolation, the harsh
conditions, the daily harsh treatment, that is a carefully
constructed system, designed to break down the detainees. Now, why
was David Hicks being singled out to be broken down? Very simply he
was picked to be the first detainee among 700 placed before the
military commissions. I think the Guantanamo Administration was
trying to break him down in order to have him capitulate, co-operate
and legitimate what is in fact an illegal, an uncivilised form of
military justice that's been repudiated by the United Nations
Commission on torture and indeed 76 eminent Australian journalists
and the Attorney-General of the United Kingdom. So this was designed
to break Hicks down and make him capitulate and co-operate with the
military commission, something he's not done. Something that he's
resisted in a way that very few of the other detainees have been able to do.

TONY JONES: Although some might argue that in fact it's his lawyers
who are resisting and delaying the process of the military tribunals.
That's what the Australian Government says, that you could actually
have gone through this process a lot quicker and Hicks could be in
some more formal system of justice now, if only he'd gone through the
military tribunals.

tribunals have been repudiated by the UN committee on torture and one
of the reasons that the UN committee on torture in their recent
meeting in Geneva called for Guantanamo to be closed - and this was a
committee made up of 10 eminent international jurors, because they
said that the military commissions do not constitute a legitimate
form of justice, OK? This is not a court martial under the uniform
court of military justice. This is a system that's been described by
the Attorney-General of the United Kingdom as a mockery of justice.
The official legal observer at Guantanamo, Lex Lasry QC, used similar
words calling it a mockery of justice. Those 76 eminent Australian
lawyers, including four former judges, have called it an affront to
civilised standards. So David Hicks by refusing to capitulate, by
refusing to confess, falsely perhaps, but to confess and to cooperate
by persisting in his insistence upon his innocence, has in fact
resisted and his lawyers are representing his will. Let's not
diminish the courage of the man.

TONY JONES: Alfred McCoy, we'll have to leave you on that note. We
thank you for coming in to talk to us tonight and perhaps one day in
the future with your perspective we can bring you in on a debate on
this subject. Thank you very much for being there tonight.


Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 13/06/2006

Hicks 'severely damaged', says CIA expert Transcript
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The latest book by history expert Professor Alfred McCoy examines the CIA's

development of psychological torture over the past 50 years. He says Guantanamo Bay

detainee David Hicks has been "severely damaged" at Guantanamo Bay, an "ad hoc

laboratory for the perfection of the CIA psychological torture".

The Politics of Heroin: CIA complicity in the global drug trade
by Alfred McCoy (1972)


***Extra Extra, Read All About (((IT)))***Follow up on Alex Jones &

Posted by: "MarshaMcClelland" marshamcclelland

Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:19 am (PST)

***Extra Extra, Read All About (((IT)))***Follow up on Alex Jones &
the mean wing team attack on him

Original article after follow up and please see added note at the
very end

This is a letter written to a member of one of the Cindy Sheehan
activist groups...It's in response to a reply they sent me because
of an article I wrote in defense of continuous character
assassinations on patriots...This article was written about an
alternative and used to be trusted, media source>>>

In this particular incident they attack Alex Jones from

First an apology before the follow up...

I couldn't help myself and I watched all their shows this last week
because I wanted to see what they were up to

They're doing some serious bragging about the million plus hits they
get each month...They said "and this with no advertising and just
word of mouth"

I sincerely apologize for all the promotions I networked through our
groups on their behalf these past few years...We did help make this
wing monster grow and I am very sorry

I wrote:

Wow...That was really thought out and made sense...Maybe I'm wrong
and it's not that they're just ignorant with huge egos? Maybe they
really are agents working to divide the patriots and people?

Yes, I know about them turning those people into the FBI...Jack
Blood from Dead Line Live Radio told me about that

Jack's one of the many radio show hosts on my VIP & Patriot list and
also one of the many targets of Lisa & Victor's

Deadlinelive Radio>>>

He said his letter was not confidential the first time nor this time
he wrote me when he responded to my write ups on them

You should see all the negative responses so far, not one in their
favor...The first time I retaliated against their attacks there were
at least a few duped people

I may put some of them out there when and if permission comes from
those who wrote them

You know, I'm the founder of the movement and groups for the>>>

"We The People United Movement"
We are many Political and Patriot Groups joining together, to help
right the wrongs in America..."United We Will Stand"

I've been working for years doing what your friend wrote about Lisa
and Victor did in gathering many contact lists>>>

I keep extensive lists of them all including a large list of
concerned citizens and patriots which I call my VIP list>>>Very
Important People and Patroits

Some well known to the public and most not so well...All with
integrity and credibility

Elected officials, radio, television networks, newspapers, foreign
and domestic...

There is a huge firefighters union list, and I mean huge, university
journalism departments, united nations permenente missions, world
embassy contacts etc, etc

I even have the reporters and journalists email addresses that go
directly to their personal email inbox

Anyone can email me and request any or all this massive assortment
of email contacts except for the latter but I do make exceptions
when need be...I use these personal emails rarely and only in urgent
matters...I use them with much discretion

Back to the used to be "dynamic duo"

I was fooled and wanted to give to Lisa all that many of us have
worked hard to build

I just knew when all our groups who have been uniting...and we are
many...joined with wing that we would conquer all...and quick...I
was so excited and would have stepped out and handed it all over to

I was prompted instead by her rejection to give all to three special
individuals instead but WTP_U actually belongs to all the people

Lisa tried to discredit me in her group and banned me when the truth
came out that I was the good guy and she was not

It was an ongoing and aggressive battle between us that went on and
on...We moved it to her group...Or I should say, I did

When one of her own members spoke up on my behalf, I was banned

I announced throughout cyberspace her defeat...Her defeat in what
transpired behind the scenes between us because she cut me off from
speaking truth by banning me
500 + groups I networked with then and exposed her for what she was

(I was hacked continuously and my original account terminated so I
lost all groups and am operating back at a little over 30 % now)

This is the third time I've felt the need to defend the true
patriots and I know Lisa and Victor just love the subject line I
chose for their write ups...I've reserved especially and
exclusively, for them the subject title >>>"EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL

I believe the first time I did this to wing it crippled Lisa's
integrity and she knew it...I believe it was so bad for her to see
that truth I wrote that she could not even do the following wingtv
shows...I can't prove this but I know it in my heart...and when they
came back and did a new show finally, I heard Lisa got a new puppy

I could actually visualize Victor begging her to come out of it and
get back to work...I believe the puppy did the trick

Silly me even felt so bad at night I'd pray for her because I was
sure she was devastated and hurting and that hurt me...I just wanted
her to be nice and play fair...I wanted her help so we could secure
the future for our children of this planet

I am now her biggest nemesis and truth is with me so she will not
mention me publicly

She did a few years ago when she said to Alex Merklinger of (one of our three owners of WTP_U) She
said..."Alex, do you know there's a lady out there doing a massive
email campaign for you saying that you should be president?"

I really respected her and thought she was brave...We communicated
way back before she so hatefully turned on me...I was in shock she
tried to make me out a liar and bad guy

It did not make sense to me, her rejection...Not at all...Why would
she not want all of us at WTP_U and all the sister groups who agreed
to stand with us to join with Wing?...All unifying under Wing could
really sweep the nation and skyrocket...Couldn't she see that?

But it is now sinking in

This letter from your friend made things much clearer

If it's possible could I get permission to use that letter from your
friend?...and if so, would they want me to use their name as author?

This is a battle for "Truth" and I've received much information, all
opposed to and exposing the wing team but this was by far the best
I've seen...Thank you so much


-- In, someone wrote:
> Here is what a friend of mine wrote about Thorn and Lisa. BTW do
> know they actually called the FBI when an upstart radio show
> fun at them? Give that a moments thought.
> Snip:

> Let's take a real close look at these two big-mouthed canaries
> up a storm. First, we need to backspace a little...
> It didn't take the NWO long to realize they could not control the
> information on the internet like a water faucet, so they decided
> pollute the 'water' instead. Ergo: there are scores of intel
> from NSA, CIA, MI6 to the Mossad working on the net...and more
than a
> few from Globalist corporate machines doing their bidding as well.
> As some of you may remember, when the Vic and Lisa dog and pony
> first appeared on the net, it was in the form of a very long
> 'patriotic' email screed ...a dodgy 'call to arms'...a clarion
> declaration to all alternative significant news sites, radio
> and editors that their *only* hope to fight 'evil' was to band
> *together* under Vic and Lisa's grand new vision: the 'World
> News Group'...WING... starring Victor Thorn! (Who the hell was
> 'Victor Thorn'?). And that any other course of action online in
> search of the truth and to fight the Globalists was foolish - if
> downright suspicious.
> Platformed right in the midst of this many page 'patriotic'
> recruitment hustle was a cleverly-constructed velvet-gloved
> 'request' (read: demand) that, of course, (paraphrasing) "the
> Jeff Rense will no doubt be an essential part of 'WING'!" as
> Rayelan of Rumor Mill News.
> One can only imagine how Rense and Raye were as amused as this
> observer at the transparency of such a scam. Neither of them (I
> and asked) had ever heard of either of these clowns before their
> rapped email dissertation which projected (read: pressured) Rense
> Rayelan's Rumor Mill News as being pivotal to WING's success in
> toppling the NWO.
> It's known that research was done on 'Victor Thorn' and what
> up fit the profile of an intel asset like a glove. 'Victor Thorn'
> an alias of a self-proclaimed 'novelist cab-driver musician' who
> cadged fares and sang(?) for eight long years in and around the
> State University community. A perfect cover for anyone doing
> piecemeal Federal information gathering around a major university
> campus.
> His real name was found to be Scott Makufka. A detail 'Victor'
> since gone public with.
> For anyone with half their wits who read 'Vic' and Lisa's call to
> unite under their WINGed leadership, it projected the obvious
> of an an intel op... a ploy to try to grab two of the top
> news engines, Rense and Rayelan, in one swoop - in hopes that
> would follow.
> What better way to control top alternative research and serious
> producers than to sucker bait them into a cover organization 'for
> greater good of the truth movement'? What better way to diminish
> bleed off independent thought and research...strength through
> diversity...than to put all the horses in one corral? How dumb
> and Lisa must have thought Rense and Rayelan and the thousands
> received their email pitch announcing 'WINGs' over the world are.
> Wake up, Yanks, there are serious net operations going on.
> I laughed...but I had to admit this mind op hustle was better
> average and being mounted very well, indeed. Vic and Lisa are
> bright, well-trained word smiths and psy-op types.
> That first long email proclamation was cleverly wrapped in the US
> flag and country and praised Rense and Rayelan to the heavens
> 'inviting' them to join the Vic and Lisa's new internet carnival.
> When Rense apparently refused to take the bait, they began to, in
> their subsequent mass emailings (they had a huge list, of course),
> ask rhetorical questions, etc: "What's wrong with Jeff Rense?"
Or "We
> haven't heard from him and we are confused. Surely such a great
> American will join us." blah blah blah.
> I have a modest intel background and watching all this was quite
> amusing spectacle. I wasn't certain who might be pulling Vic and
> Lisa's strings but I had a pretty good idea.
> I don't know Rense (or Rayelan) from Adam (or Eve) but it was
> he realized that any response to them whatever would/could be
> against him. So, he gave them, apparently, nothing...and took
> option away. And that is the best way to counter an internet
> set-up. Trust me.
> Next, they predictably attacked Rense ...not much was said about
> Rayelan. The usual and expected 'suggestions' were floated that
> was a fake patriot, possibly an intel agent, or an ego tripper,
> etc, otherwise, he would certainly have joined WING on the spot
> fight all the bad guys and girls on the planet.
> This email attack on Rense - their first net target and similar
> what they are doing to Alex Jones now - went on for several weeks
> I recall. It never elicited a reply from Rense but it
> the opening gambit of their assignment: to acquire immediate
> publicity and 'credibility' as 'great Americans' trying to fight
> Globalist elite.
> Again, watching all of this was amusing because it came right out
> Net Intel Ops 101; all completely predictable drivel. Vic and his
> lady pal, of course, had shown up online 'out of the blue' with a
> site, and were already posting some credible 'alternative'
> news...which is how internet agents and assets always establish
> names and notoriety.
> Not terribly long after, and almost on cue (and utterly
> came Vic and Lisa announcing their own internet radio show.
> And then, even more predictably, they announced the 'Victor Thorn
> TV Show' This was so spot-on by-the-book, I was actually
> out loud...primarily because no one seemed able to figure these
> clowns out.
> Now, fast-forward to their recent 'attacks' on American
> Art NWO Bell.... amused me no end...another obvious device: a
> salacious attack on one of their own Globalist bretheren to
> build their notoriety in the alternative news community.
> and Lisa attacked...gasp...Art Bell! Only the greatest of true
> patriots would dare to take on Clear Channel's king of late night
> radio!")
> If Bell had been so attacked by Alex Jones, he would have gone
> ballistic. But, as you may have noticed, hardly a peep came from
> Arthur himself.
> And now we see the truly volcanic libeling and smearing of Alex
> Jones...the powerhouse lightning rod of anti-Globalist
> research...true fire and brimstone in the anti-NWO truth
> The attack is, again, as predictable as it is despicable.
> Let's not forget...Vic and Lisa's antics are a perfect overlay of
> NWO Intel Net Ops handbook...
> Imagine...
> Chapter One of the internet intel assest/agent's handbook:
> "Use your extensive list of activists/journalists that you were
> supplied with, or personally gathered, and immediately call for
> alliance with the biggest names in the targeted field."
> "Secure as many of these key alternative news sources as possible
> bring them under your banner, one way or another. They can be
> influenced and controlled much easier as a group rather than in
> current independent news and information power centers."
> "If you are unsuccessful in baiting them to join you, begin to
> selectively attack them...using gross libel and smear tactics and
> suggest in print that they are intel agents or are motivated by
> and ego."
> "The results of the attacks are enormous: instant amounts of free
> publicity and notoriety for your operation. Net wars with the
> are win-win for us."
> "Remember: ANY responses from the targets will only build your
> notoriety and reputation."
> "NEGATIVE responses from a target should be immediately quoted out
> context, distorted and turned around and used to impeach and
> the patriotism of the target."
> "POSITIVE responses from the target give you instant
> the bonus perception that you are on the same plane - that you
> nearly *equals* with the target in the minds of those following
> efforts."
> "Remember - ANY response from the target is a WIN."
> (etc, etc)
> Chapter Two, of course, would direct such newly-spawned net agents
> begin to book themselves on radio talk shows as quickly as
> possible...and then to start their own radio shows shortly
> That's a quick review of how the Vic and Lisa dog and pony
> information-gathering and internet disinfo charade began.
> Lisa, of course, is the she-male bull. Slick and clever, she's
> enforcer. Knows how to play word and head games very well. She
> to beat up on people (especially men) in print she is
> with Alex Jones now ...and then offer an 'olive branch' if they
> down in ideological subservience or, at least acknowledge
that 'Lic
> and Visa' are fellow truth seekers (!)
> To me, their antics mirror a high-level intel internet psy-op -
> effort to neutralize and diminish the strength of your alternative
> news movement by destroying its strength-through-diversity which
> made it so strong in the states.

***Extra Extra, Read All About (((IT)))***wing tv at (((IT)))
again...I mean still

Always trying to destroy someone and it seems to always be Alex
Jones' turn more than anyone else

Alex Jones>>>

Victor Thorn from Wing TV wrote in the following article>>>"Everyone
of us hates him. Because he is all about him. There isn't a single
911 researcher who doesn't feel this way."

The 911 researchers I know...and I know Way more than Lisa or Victor
from Wing TV, love Alex Jones...This is the true general consensus
of the 911 Truth researchers and activists

Geese, he even allows us to copy and distribute his DVDs and we
appreciate that

Most of us good guys don't listen to Wing TV anymore because the
continuous venom spewed there has actually become sickening...We are
too busy trying to stay positive and working hard for their nonsense

From this article written about Alex Jones, I'm posting here, it's
evident to me they are seriously jealous of him

It can't be true Lisa Giuliani and Victor Thorn are working for the
other side as many have written...I don't think they're smart enough
to be agents of any kind

They are simply ignorant and their ego's are Way out of control, IMHO

Either way...Being bad guys, they can switch sides or see the light
and change their ways, if they really do mean well, in some sort of
warped way

How about it, Lisa and Victor?...Would you like to join the human
race?...We're made up of good hearts and we will forgive you

Hugs & Blessing to All...even Lisa & Victor,
Marsha...A big PS>>>I did peek in several days ago and they quoted
John Minsk in saying he contacted them and gave them kudos because
John was supposed to have stated that they were right on target with
all they have been saying about others

Hmmmmm...If this is so, I wonder if that included their degrading
him by saying he was a beggar of other peoples money etc....I can't
quote exactly but it upset me because I consider John a friend and
he is one of many on my patriot list

They probably took anything he might of said out of context,
anyway...Soon everyone will catch on and the drift of the wing team
and not speak to the little shrews and tattle tales (tails) anymore
Alex Jones' Egomaniac Bilderberg Freak Show

by Victor Thorn

Y'know, ya have to respect Mr. Jim Tucker even more nowadays. Here's
a guy who has covered the Bilderberg meetings all over the world
since 1975.

And do you know what's best of all � he's done it with a style and
class that's undeniable. A true reporter's reporter. Plus, the
stories he's filed have been top-notch, all chronicled in his highly-
touted Bilderberg Diary.

Truth-seekers can look up to Jim Tucker because this man has done
more than any other human being in history to expose these shadowy
globalists known as Bilderberg.
And as I said, he's done it with class � playing a cat n' mouse game
with the ruling elite that could equal any James Bond movie.

Then here comes carpetbagger, egomaniac, the-entire-universe-
revolves-around-me Alex Jones. And guess what: all of a sudden the
annual Bilderberg meeting isn't
about landing a story, getting the inside scoop, or trying to inform
the public.

All of a sudden � IT'S ABOUT ALEX! Just like everything else in
Alex's world. Alex Alex Alex 24 hours a day. Total ego � total
narcissism � total self-absorption, and total consumption in Alex's
psychotic world of self-love and self-promotion.
Yes, all of a sudden, all of the class that Jim Tucker brought to
reporting on Bilderberg has been replaced by a FREAK SHOW.

Screw the story. Screw the news. Screw the patriot movement. Screw
everyone. It's all Alex Alex Alex.

Alex did this � Alex did that. Give Alex the spotlight. Give Alex
the stage. Give mama's attention-seeking little baby boy all of
her ... well, all of her ATTENTION.

Yup, read all about it. The Bilderbergs � the most powerful people
in the world � were monitoring Alex. The Bilderbers arrested Alex.
The Bilderbergs were trembling in fear because of Alex. The
Bilderbergs were all bowing at Alex's feet because he's King Alex �
maniac lunatic of all creation. In reality, it was a cheap publicity
stunt to steal Jim Tucker's thunder, all written on Alex's website
by a 24 year-old English boy named Paul Joseph Watson. The ultimate
sycophant. The ultimate lackey. The ultimate groupie. Think about
it: Jim Tucker, a man who's been writing for more years than Watson
has even been alive (Alex Jones too, for that matter) � filing good,
solid reports that you can bank on year-in and year-out. Like
hammering nails. A reporter from the old-school in the tradition of
Mike Royko.

Then here comes Watson, a 24 year-old lad from the U.K., still wet
behind-the-ears, spewing Tom Flocco-style sensationalism and tabloid
tomfoolery. Pure schlock.

But Alex Jones doesn't care because � you guessed correctly � It's
all about ALEX!

Remember, everything's about Alex! 24 hours a day. The sun & stars
even revolve around Alex and his little adore-himself-in-the-mirror
world. Alex Alex Alex. Everybody: three cheers for Alex. He's the
greatest. He's the best. Alex can save the world. Alex is the second-

And if you don't believe me - just ask him! He'll tell you!

Forget the three-decades of dignity, class, and solid reporting that
Jim Tucker brought to this subject. Now Alex has turned it into a
three-ring circus, the National Enquirer, and a cheap Vegas sideshow
all wrapped into one (like an Elmer Gantry snake-oil vendor, a
schmaltzy P.T. Barnum sideshow barker, or the worst type of
televangelist imaginable).

How truly, utterly pathetic. Maybe Phil Jayhan was finally right
about something when he said: "Fuck Alex Jones. There, I said it.
What every 911 person feels about Alex Jones. Everyone of us hates
him. Because he is all about him.

There isn't a single 911 researcher who doesn't feel this way. They
ALL hate Alex Jones because of how he acts."

But y'know, at the end of the day, there's Jim Tucker � and he'll
still be filing a dead-on piece of true journalism that brings the
story home � and I'll be damned, we can trust what he writes. On the
other hand, Alex Jones will be French-kissing his reflection
in the mirror and fawning all over himself. "I Love Alex," he coos
to himself. "It's all about me. ME ME ME!"

As I said, how pathetic. Why doesn't somebody tell this attention-
starved little five-year old boy that we're tired of his antics. Go
home, Alex, and shut up.

End Note: One of the biggest complaints about the Bilderberg ruling
elite is that they've made gods of themselves. Yet Alex Jones has
done the exact same thing by making himself a god (at least in his
own eyes).

Worst of all, his obedient little lemming sheeple see nothing odd in
this fact. I always thought the patriot movement was about
independent thought; but all they want to be is a cog in another
person's wheel - just like Rush Limbaugh's Ditto-Heads. For some odd
reason, I thought only sixteen year-old high-school girls
swooning over rock bands were groupies, but maybe I was wrong. Grow
up and become your own person!
Note from Marsha...

For those who don't know me>>>I'm a human and civil rights activist
working to help unite organizations, projects and groups with
important issues for one loud voice and strength in numbers

We are spiritual and secular people from many walks of life,
learning to put differences aside enough to work together for the
good of mankind

I have not been able to keep up with scanning the digests of the
many yahoo groups I network with...I have to delete my email
continually so if you want me to see something important pertaining
to a productive and positive nature please put>>>***SOS***in the
subject box and send to me >>>
Please contact me with your group link if you are an owner and would
like it added to our website

Sneak peek at our website under construction that belongs to "We The
people" from everywhere...Please know we are already many groups who
have united beginning in 2003...As you will soon see

>>> Click here: Home Page


Please answer the Patriot Calls as they come for the future and sake
of all the children on this planet

Keep the corrupt hopping and make it more difficult for them by
giving strength to the numbers of as many good and productive
patriot groups possible, that come your way

If the corrupt are successful with stopping cyberactivism...This
could be a good thing and to our advantage...Too much organized
religion out there anyway and it's time to shed truth in that

Hit the street and join the many concerned citizens and patriots
already working in the trenches

Local churches is where you'll find many of your fellow activists
with truth
Even church leaders are speaking out and scrapping their gag orders
which are the 501c3 tax exempt agreements that has kept them silent
for many years


9/11 - The Fairy Tale from Hell

Posted by: "James Patton" james_patton

Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:33 am (PST)

If you haven't thought much about the events of September 11 2001,
here's an interesting little document...

9/11 - The Fairy Tale from Hell


Flying a Plane Into the World Trade Center? Why Not Fly Out of LaGua

Posted by: "reggie501" reggie501

Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:25 am (PST)

Flying a Plane Into the World Trade Center? Why Not Fly Out of LaGuardia?

Here is a new, and so far unasked question about the badly debunked
official explanation of the events of September 11th 2001. If you
spend years planning a spectacular attack the World Trade Center in
New York City, and you are a less than adequate pilot, and you wanted
to ensure the attack would be completed without giving the U.S. air
defense apparatus the chance to follow their normal procedures and
intercept your plane, why would you choose to fly out of Boston? Why
would you choose to risk getting lost or stopped as you try to fly 190
miles to your target when you can hijack a plane from one of three
airports within sight of the target?

There are three airports that would enable a pilot or a hijacker to
have visual contact with the World Trade Center within a minute or two
of takeoff. With all the planning these so called hijackers must have
made, how stupid would they have to have been to travel to Boston in
order to attack NY? We have been told that the so-called hijackers
were barely able to pilot even simple two seater aircraft, but we are
supposed to believe that they felt confident enough to navigate to NY
from Boston without the help of ground control. Are we to believe that
i they would not have flown out an airport from which they had
constant visual contact with their target? Also keep in mind that
planes taking off from these NY area airports would have more fuel
remaining in their tanks when they made contact. They would not have
to burn off 45 minutes worth of destructive explosive fuel.

Here is why they had to fly out of Boston:

Full blog:


PS on ***Extra Extra, Read All About (((IT)))***Follow up on Alex Jo

Posted by: "MarshaMcClelland" marshamcclelland

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:31 am (PST)

This is an added note sent only to We The People United groups and a
few of my favorite...Of course to campcaseyalumni_alumni- as well, along with a thank you to a new
friend who helped me in this matter...Exposing what we are up against
in this deceptive world

In listening to the wing team yesterday the 13th, I was delighted to
know Lisa was thinking of me

She put a lot of thought into how she'd label me and was very clever
indeed, I thought

I'm to be Marsha mothballs, the mentally challenged musless idiot

Wow, I was that important to you, Lisa


PS on ***Extra Extra, Read All About (((IT)))***Follow up on Alex Jo

Posted by: "MarshaMcClelland" marshamcclelland

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:33 am (PST)

This is an added note sent only to We The People United groups and a
few of my favorite...Of course to campcaseyalumni_alumni- as well, along with a thank you to a new
friend who helped me in this matter...Exposing what we are up against
in this deceptive world

In listening to the wing team yesterday the 13th, I was delighted to
know Lisa was thinking of me

She put a lot of thought into how she'd label me and was very clever
indeed, I thought

I'm to be Marsha mothballs, the mentally challenged musless idiot

Wow, I was that important to you, Lisa


Rumsfeld orders Reporters out of Guantanamo following the suicides o

Posted by: "Dick Eastman"

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:43 am (PST)
EXCLUSIVE: Pentagon Orders U.S. Reporters to Exit Guantanamo

By Greg Mitchell and Joe Strupp

Published: June 14, 2006 10:55 AM ET
NEW YORK In the aftermath of the three suicides at the notorious Guantanamo prison facility in Cuba last Saturday, reporters with the Los Angeles Times and the Miami Herald were ordered by the office of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to leave the island today

Paper: Rumsfeld expels US media from Guantanamo Bay

John Byrne
Published: Wednesday June 14, 2006

The United States military has ordered all independent media off the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base following the suicides of three detainees, RAW STORY has learned.


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articles: Israeli spy network uncovered in Lebanon -=- US reservists

Posted by: "Dick Eastman"

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:09 am (PST)

From: "Peter Myers" <>

June 13, 2006

(1) Israeli spy network uncovered in Lebanon
(2) Saddam's former intelligence chief manhandled by guards after arguing with the judge
(3) Menachem Begin in 1952 plot to kill then-German ruler Adenauer
(4) Olmert: I won't divide Jerusalem or give away Temple Mount
(5) China's thirst for oil rattles US & underpins regimes slated for change
(6) US reservists begin leaving Ukraine after anti-NATO protests

(1) Israeli spy network uncovered in Lebanon

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:38:59 -0700 From: Jeff Blankfort

Last update - 14:24 12/06/2006

Report: Israeli spy network in Lebanon uncovered

By Jack Khoury, Haaretz Correspondent

Lebanese intelligence services say they have uncovered a spy network
working for Israel, the Lebanese A-Safir daily newspaper reported

According to the report, the network has been active since 1990 and was
exposed in a complex operation dubbed Surprise at Dawn. The operation
was launched following the assassination of the Islamic Jihad secretary
general in Lebanon Mahmoud al-Majdoub and his brother Nidal with a car
bomb last month.

A senior Lebanese intelligence source predicted that the interrogation
of suspects could lead to the exposure of Lebanese and Palestinian
agents working for Israel on Lebanese soil.

The source said it was possible these agents were involved in a long
series of explosions and assassinations in Lebanon.

According to the report, Lebanese intelligence identified the car used
in the al-Majdoub assassination as owned by Mahmoud Qassem Rafa, 59, a
retired policeman. Security forces began following the man after his
financial situation radically improved several months ago.

Surveillance has been tightened in the past week and intelligence
services wire-tapped into his phone. Rafa was arrested several days ago
in the early hours of the morning coming home.

In his interrogation Rafa confessed to his involvement in the
al-Majdoub assassination, as well as in the killing of senior Hezbollah
member Ali Salah and in several other incidents.

Lebanese intelligence services said that the investigation now focuses
on the source of the explosives in the al-Majdoub assassination and on
Rafa's network associates, some of whom already managed to flee the

(2) Saddam's former intelligence chief manhandled by guards after arguing with the judge

Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:44:56 EDT From:

Monday 12 June 2006, 14:28 Makka Time, 11:28 GMT

Saddam Hussein's former intelligence chief was dragged out of court and
manhandled by guards after arguing with the judge.

Chief judge Raouf Abdel-Rahman ordered Barzan Ibrahim, who is a brother
of Saddam, to be removed on Monday after he accused the court of
"terrorising" the defence.

The decision caused an American lawyer to attack the trial, saying
unfair treatment was putting the defence at a "serious disadvantage".

Iraqi guards grabbed Ibrahim by the arms and pulled him out, and when
he tried to shrug them off, they held his left arm and pushed him into
a wall as they tried to hustle him out the door, causing an uproar
among the defence lawyers.

Ibrahim shouted as he was pulled out: "This is dictatorial."

Abdel-Rahman sneered: "You know dictatorship." He banged his gavel and
lectured the defence to be quiet.

Mohammad Munib, a defence lawyer, shouted to the judge: "They are
beating him in front of your eyes. Right at the door.

"How can we ask you to protect the defendant when they beat him right
in front of you?"

Saddam sarcasm

After the uproar, Saddam stood and sarcastically suggested that the
defence and defendants leave "if this will bring you calm and quiet and
give you the opportunity to reach your verdicts. ... If my presence
bothers you, then I can withdraw and ask the defence team to withdraw
as well."

"You are before the world, which sees through this place, whether they
hear from the so-called defendants or defence or the attackers," he
said, referring to the prosecution.

"People, Iraq's money is being stolen.

"Bloodshed is taking place every day, four times as much bloodshed in
Dujail - I mean those who were sentenced to death."

It was the second time in two weeks that Ibrahim has been thrown out
for arguing with Abdel-Rahman.

Curtis Doebbler, an American on the defence team, accused the court of
discriminating against the defence, saying it had ignored its requests,
intimidated witnesses and rushed the defence, while giving the
prosecution all the time it needed to present its case.

"We are at a serious disadvantage to the prosecution because of the way
we have been treated by the court," Doebbler told chief judge Raouf

"We want to work for justice. But that must start by having a fair
trial. But under the current circumstances, that doesn't seem possible.
We ask that the trial be stopped to allow us adequate time to prepare
our defence."

Defence rushed

Doebbler said the prosecution took more than five months to present its
case, while the court is rushing the defence, which began its arguments
in April.

Abdel-Rahman has repeatedly demanded the defence should present full
lists of witnesses.

"Our witnesses have been intimidated by the court and have been
assaulted," Doebbler said. "Several lawyers were assaulted as well."

Doebbler is one of two American lawyers, along with former US
attorney-general Ramsey Clark, who have joined the defence team, though
they have not attended every session.

Doebbler is an international lawyer who is currently working as a
visiting professor at Najah University in the West Bank town of Nablus.

He said: "We have not received one reasoned opinion in response to our
enormous written submitions.

"We've not been able to visit the place where the Dujail events took
place. I have asked to visit the place for a year and I haven't
received any answer."

The charges

Saddam and seven former members of his government are on trial for
charges of crimes against humanity in a crackdown against Shia in the
town of Dujail after a 1982 assassination attempt on Saddam.

They are accused of torturing women and children and wrongfully killing
148 Shia sentenced to death for the attack on the former Iraqi leader.

The defence has also sought an inquiry into claims by three of its
witnesses that some of the 148 Shia supposedly killed in the crackdown
are still alive.

Abdel-Rahman ordered an investigation, but there is no sign that one
has begun and the three witnesses were among those he ordered arrested
on perjury charges.

The defence argues that if some of the 148 are still alive, it casts
the entire prosecution case in doubt, and has demanded all the
prosecution's documents should be reviewed for authenticity.

(3) Menachem Begin in 1952 plot to kill then-German ruler Adenauer

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:21:11 -0700 From: Jeff Blankfort

w w w . h a a r e t z . c o m Last update - 07:36 13/06/2006

Begin to 1952 plot to kill then-German ruler Adenauer

By Amiram Barkat, Haaretz Correspondent

Former prime minister Menachem Begin played a central role in a failed
attempt to assassinate then-West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer,
with the objective of sabotaging the reparations agreement in the works
with Israel, according to the journal of Eliezer Sudit, one of the men
who carried out the attempted hit.

Sudit's journal, which was published in a limited number of copies
only, came into the possession of the Israel correspondent for the
German daily, the Frankfurter Allgemeine.

Excerpts from the diary passed on to Haaretz reveal that Begin knew of
the plans to assassinate Adenauer, and even initiated meetings to
promote the operation. Among other things, Sudit writes that he heard
Begin had offered to sell his gold watch to pay for the hit after the
operation ran into financial difficulties.

Begin's personal secretary, Yehiel Kadishai, and Herzl Makov, the
director of the Menachem Begin Heritage Center, told Haaretz Monday
night that they knew nothing of Begin's involvement in the affair.

On March 27, 1952, a German sapper was killed by an explosive device
that had been hidden in an item of mail addressed to Adenauer. At the
same time, two letter bombs were sent to the meeting place of the
Israeli and German delegations by a group calling themselves the Jewish
Partisans Organization.

A few weeks later, five Israelis were arrested in France on suspicion
of involvement in the assassination attempt. One of the men arrested
was Sudit, a former member of the Irgun, a prestate underground led by
Begin. Sudit allegedly prepared the explosive device and hid it in the
package sent to Adenauer.

Sudit decided to publicize the affair some 40 years later, in his
journal, Be'shlihut Ha'matzpun (On a Mission of Conscience). According
to Sudit, he met secretly with Begin and suggested "an operation that
would shake the world and prove that not all Israelis are prepared to
accept money as atonement for blood."

Sudit writes that Begin was very unhappy with the reparations agreement
in the works, noting that the former prime minister "was ready for any
reaction that would come as long as the reparations agreement was

Sudit says that Begin subsequently introduced him to then-Herut MKs
Yohanan Bader and Haim Landau, and also Abba Shertzer, who headed the
Irgun's intelligence service. It was Shertzer who told Sudit of Begin's
readiness to sell his gold watch to finance the trip to France.

According to the journal, Begin and Sudit met once more before the
latter left to carry out his mission.

The Frankfurter Allgemeine announced Monday that it would be publishing
extracts from the journal in the near future. The newspaper's Israel
correspondent, Joerg Bremer, told Haaretz that he had tried to
interview Sudit a number of times, but had been turned down with the
excuse that the man was not willing to speak to Germans.

(4) Olmert: I won't divide Jerusalem or give away Temple Mount

Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:05:29 +0200 From: "Kristoffer Larsson"

Last update - 23:44 12/06/2006

Olmert: I won't divide Jerusalem or give away Temple Mount

By Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondent and The Associated Press

LONDON - Speaking publicly for the first time about the future of
Jerusalem, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told Jewish community leaders in
London on Monday that he had no intention of dividing the capital or
giving away sovereignty of the Temple Mount.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair refrained earlier Monday from
endorsing Olmert's plan for a unilateral withdrawal, calling instead
for a "negotiated two-state solution," to the Middle East conflict,
something which he said the world agreed upon.

The two leaders were speaking after talks at Prime Minister Ehud Olmert
said Monday that Israel is "prepared to pull out from most" of the West
Bank and create a "contiguous" Palestinian state.

At a press conference after talks with British Prime Minister Tony
Blair, Olmert told reporters that the "basic precondition for future
negotiations was to be the end of terror in the Middle East," but said
that he would "make every possible effort to engage in dialogue with
the Palestinians."

The "first priority for Israel is negotiations," Olmert added, saying
"the status quo is the enemy of everything that we are in favor of."

He said that Israel is "ready to go a long way in order to convince
[the Palestinians] that it is preferable and worthwhile to meet... the
road map."

"Our task in the international community is to try and give the best
chance possible for a negotiated settlement to take place," Blair said.

He said that he told then newly inaugurated U.S. President George W.
Bush in 2001 that, "you've got to get behind a two-state solution."

Turning to the issue of Iran and its nuclear program, the Olmert said
that Israel "will not tolerate nuclear weapons in the hands of Iran."

"For reasons which I do not think I have to explain, [a nuclear Iran]
is a serious danger to the entire world," Olmert said. He added that he
was prepared to take "extraordinary measures in order to stop it."

Ahead of the talks, Blair earlier Monday underlined his preference for
a negotiated settlement between Israel and Palestinians.

"We recognize equally that there has to be a viable partner to
negotiate with on the Palestinian side, but we believe negotiated
settlement is in the interests of all sides," said Blair's spokesman,
who speaks on condition of anonymity as he is a nonpolitical civil

"Let's be clear, everyone knows what the answer to the issue is, it is
a two state solution, and therefore the sooner both sides start talking
about that, the better," the spokesman said.

During their meeting Monday, Olmert was to explain the convergence
plan, which includes evacuating most of the West Bank settlements and
redefining the border along the lines of the separation fence.

Olmert was expected to tell Blair he would prefer to hold negotiations
with the Palestinian Authority but will stand firm on the PA fulfilling
the conditions of the Quartet and the demands outlined by the road map
peace plan: recognition of Israel, fighting terror and upholding
previous agreements.

Blair and Olmert have met three times in the past - twice in London and
once in Jerusalem - and they have spoken a few times on the phone in
the past few months. Olmert considers Blair a personal friend and a
British source said Monday's meeting is expected to be successful. The
two leaders will hold a news conference at 10 Downing Street, an
unusual event when it comes to Israeli prime ministers.

Friday's incident in the Gaza Strip, in which seven members of a
Palestinian family were killed on the beach, is casting a pall over the

"There are bound to be reactions in the British press," Olmert said en
route to London. "But one cannot expect to be exempt from this. It must
be put in the right proportion and context."

He described the incident as "regrettable and tragic" but said he would
not comment until the official investigation was completed. He said it
was doubtful the Palestinians were killed by an Israeli shell. "Past
experience has taught that it is not impossible that a myth would be
created that has no relation to facts," he said.

Olmert said UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan had contacted him about the
incident and he informed him of what he knew so far.

A source in the prime minister's entourage said it was possible no one
would know the truth because the Palestinians had not agreed to
autopsies and the wounded who reached Israel had had the shrapnel
removed from their bodies.

Asked about his daughter's participation in Saturday night's
demonstration outside the chief of staff's house to protest the Gaza
incident, Olmert
replied: "Each one of us has the right to express his views."

The prime minister's entourage is limited. His wife, Aliza, did not
join him this time and he sat alone in the plane, listening to music.
He is accompanied by the head of his staff, Yoram Turbowicz, his
military adjutant, his deputy head of staff, his bureau chief, his
media adviser and his adviser on political affairs. Britain's
ambassador to Israel, Simon McDonald, and the Israeli ambassador to
London, Zvi Hefetz, also accompanied him on the plane.

Olmert will also meet Monday with the leader of the opposition, David

(5) China's thirst for oil rattles US & underpins regimes slated for

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:49:27 -0400 From: "David Chiang"

China's thirst for oil rattles old order

By PETER ENAV and ELAINE KURTENBACH, Associated Press Writers

Sat Jun 10, 1:42 PM ET;-
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China's surging appetite for energy is engraved in the landscape of
this gritty port city: waterfront piles of coal, gas pipes snaking
along grimy roads, and tankers anchored amid islands where pirates once

Zhenhai is at the heart of a global energy revolution.

As China's leading oil receiving center, the city provides this nation
of 1.3 billion people with hundreds of thousands of barrels of crude
per day to feed its galloping economy.

The shifting pattern of energy consumption is rattling Washington and
aggravating an already intense rivalry with neighboring Japan over
access to oil and gas supplies, adding to tensions in an already
volatile region.

"The global demand for oil has been rising faster than supply because
there's new economies that are beginning to gin up, new economies
growing, like China and India," President Bush said recently.

"Oil - the dependence upon oil is a national security problem, and an
economic security problem," Bush said.

China is acutely aware of the security implications of its growing
dependence on imported oil. For more than a decade, its three large
state-owned companies have been scouring the globe, from Iran to
Angola, to secure supplies.

In the past six months alone, China has signed deals totaling more than
$7 billion for stakes in oil and gas fields in Kazakhstan, Nigeria and
Syria. A state-controlled company is reportedly considering a $2
billion bid for yet another Kazakh property.

The worldwide buying spree helped net at least 3.5 million barrels per
day of imported oil last year - enough to make China the world's
third-leading consumer of foreign oil.

Chinese demand is forecast to more than double by 2025, to 14.2 million
barrels a day from the current 7 million a day, according to the U.S.
government's Energy Information Agency.

Although China's imports still only constitute about one-sixth of total
world oil trade - compared to 30 percent for the United States - it is
already the world's second largest oil consumer. China's increasingly
pivotal role as global manufacturer of practically everything has
ensured demand will continue to grow.

The worry in Washington, Tokyo and other major oil importing centers is
that competition is helping push prices to potentially destabilizing
levels, and raising the risks of conflict over dwindling resources.

China has sought to diversify its energy sources, clinching exploration
and production deals in Africa and Latin America to limit its
dependence on Middle Eastern oil. It too recognizes the huge economic
stakes for all sides.

However, those deals also have raised worries.

Earlier this year, the Bush administration published a revised National
Security Strategy that accused Chinese leaders of "acting as if they
can somehow 'lock up' energy supplies around the world or seek to
direct markets rather than opening them up."

U.S. and other Western oil companies discovered during the oil crises
of the 1970s show how vulnerable such deals can be, but "There is
considerable rhetoric in some high places that China's trying to
monopolize or control world energy resources," says William Overholt,
director of the Center for Asia Pacific Policy at RAND Corp. in Santa
Monica, Calif.

A more broadly shared concern, he says, is that just as U.S. oil needs
have helped keep dictatorships in power in the past, "China is buying
into oil in places where those purchases support abusive regimes" such
as Sudan and Iran, undermining U.S. diplomacy in other areas such as
nuclear nonproliferation.

While many agree with Overholt's characterizations of China's oil
allies, critics point out that Saudi Arabia - whose oil fields were
developed by U.S. companies and which has been the anchor of
Washington's foreign oil strategy for more than three decades - is also
not a democratic society.

For China, ensuring future supplies is top priority as it fuels annual
economic growth rates of about 10 percent.

China still gets more than two-thirds of its energy from coal, and
roughly half of its oil supply is from domestic sources - 3.4 million
barrels a day in 2005. But veteran fields are beginning to falter and
motor vehicle use is surging.

"Oil imports are bound to play a very important role in China's future
development," said Dong Xiucheng, a professor at the China University
of Petroleum.

Much of that oil will arrive through Zhenhai, a port city about 100
miles south of Shanghai and home to the country's first national
petroleum reserve - as well as the country's biggest refinery.

Tankers from the Middle East and Africa berth at busy oil terminals
secreted in the nearby Zhoushan archipelago, a pirate hideout in
centuries past. A pipeline under construction will connect offshore
terminals to factories in the Shanghai region, the country's biggest
commercial hub.

Surging oil consumption by China, India and other emerging economies -
on top of what is already being consumed by wealthy nations like the
United States - has added urgency to the debate over future supplies.

Some experts believe production will soon peak, and that looming
shortages require a fast shift to alternatives.

Others say the peak is at least several decades ahead: the U.S.
Geological Survey reckons that only about one-third of the world's
estimated 3 trillion barrels of recoverable oil has been consumed.

China relies most heavily on the Middle East, which provides about 45
percent of its total oil imports, with Saudi Arabia accounting for
about 17 percent.

In late April, Chinese President Hu Jintao flew to the kingdom for
talks with Saudi Aramco, the world's largest oil producer - the latest
episode in a continuing Chinese effort to ensure access to Saudi
Arabia's 9.5 million barrels per day of oil production.

That visit, coming just after meetings between Hu and Bush in the
United States, was closely monitored in Washington.

China takes American concerns seriously and has worries of its own over
its vulnerability to upheavals in global hotspots and to U.S. naval
pressure in the Malacca Straits, the narrow Southeast Asian passage
through which virtually all Middle Eastern and African oil moves on its
way to East Asia.

Though Beijing is building up its own navy, analysts say it would take
decades - if ever - to match America's.

With the naval option of limited value, China has tried to do the next
best thing - reduce the amount of oil that reaches it via the Straits.

"Gaining access to new routes is a very important strategy for China to
ensure the security of its oil imports, aside from diversifying the
countries supplying oil," said Dong, the Chinese Petroleum University

China is studying alternative routes for African and Middle Eastern
oil, including a pipeline through Myanmar, a port project in Pakistan
and possibly even building a shipping channel through Thailand.

It is also laying pipelines to former Soviet countries.

China recently opened a 625-mile link carrying 190,000 barrels a day of
Kazakh oil, providing its first direct access to potentially rich
central Asian fields.

Construction has begun on an even bigger pipeline project that when
completed in 2010 will move up to 1.6 million barrels per day of crude
from Russia's Irkutsk region to its Pacific coast, with a branch line
running into northeastern China.

Japan prevailed in persuading Moscow to route the main pipeline to the
Pacific, rather than into China, providing low-interest loans to pay
much of the more than $10 billion cost.

China and Japan are also facing off over potentially rich gas resources
in the East China Sea, with no signs of an early resolution.

The high stakes of energy rivalry are highlighted in a Chinese online
book, "The Battle in Protecting Key Oil Routes."

The anonymously authored book is set in a future where oil costs $100 a
barrel. It begins with U.S.-Japan naval exercises focused on the
Malacca Straits that trigger a real battle between China and the United
States when a U.S.-fired missile goes astray.

The still incomplete book has drawn little attention, but it does
reflect growing awareness of the potential for energy competition to
get out of hand.

Given the risks, Washington should step up energy cooperation with
China, says Sen. Joseph Lieberman (news, bio, voting record) of
Connecticut - a Democrat regarded as a close security ally of President

"These are two nations following similar international oil acquisition
policies," he said. "If we let it go, this could end up in real
military conflict, not just economic conflict."

___ AP Business Writer Elaine Kurtenbach reported this story from
Zhenhai and Shanghai, China, and correspondent Peter Enav from Taipei,

(6) US reservists begin leaving Ukraine after anti-NATO protests

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:32:55 +0100 From: Rowan Berkeley

US reservists begin leaving Ukraine after anti-NATO protests

AFP via Yahoo! News, Jun 11, 2006

FEODOSIA, Ukraine (AFP) - About 200 US reservists began leaving Crimea
to cheers of "Hurrah!" from anti-NATO protesters who succeeded in
blocking preparations for military exercises in southern Ukraine.

A first batch of 125 soldiers flew out from Simferopol to the United
States' Ramstein Air Base in Germany, with the rest due to leave
Monday, Crimean police told AFP. The reservists had been planning to
build barracks on a training ground near the port town of Feodosia, but
the work barely got started due to some two weeks of protests from
locals in the strategic and strongly pro-Russian region of Ukraine.

Ukrainian navy spokesman Volodymyr Bova insisted the departure took
place because the "reservists' contracts had expired" as they are only
called up for duty "for two or three weeks". Washington however was
"chagrined" by the fact that the reservists "could not complete their
projects, which would have been useful for the Ukrainian military," the
US embassy spokesman in Ukraine, Brent Byers, said. Protestors ensured
a noisy send-off for the soldiers taken by bus from Feodosia to the
airport in Simferopol. "Yankee, don't bother to bring your weapons to
our home!" shouted one protester, as a crowd sang patriotic Russian
songs. Ukraine maintained that the troop withdrawal, taking place about
two days earlier than planned, did not mean the cancellation of NATO
military manoeuvres in Crimea set to start on June 17, Bova said. "The
holding of the exercises Sea Breeze 2006 will be decided by
parliament," which will consider the matter on June 14, Bova said. Sea
Breeze 2006 was designed to strengthen ties between the pro-Western
government in Kiev and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
Washington added that the withdrawal of the reservists "will in no way
influence our willingness to ultimately cooperate with Ukraine," Byers

However opposition to NATO is strong in the Crimean peninsula, an
autonomous region within Ukraine, which has pro-Russia leanings as it
has been the home base of the Russian Black Sea fleet since its
creation by Catherine the Great in the late 18th century. Crimea was
transferred to Ukraine in 1954 by then Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev
but remains populated largely by ethnic-Russians.

Besides local protests in Crimea, the planned exercises also triggered
reaction from Moscow, which warned the United States and NATO not to
push too hard to bring Ukraine into the fold. Ukrainian authorities say
that Russians have taken part in the protests, in violation of
Ukrainian law. A leading Ukrainian weekly has said that the
demonstrations have been masterminded by the Russian special security
services, the FSB, formerly KGB. On Thursday, up to 2,000 anti-NATO
demonstrators protested outside the lodgings in Feodosia of the US
reservists. While preparations for the Ukrainian-US maneuvers were
continuing, they would be held "only after adoption of a law"
authorizing these and other international military exercises planned to
be held by the end of the year, Ukrainian Defense Minister Anatoly
Gritsenko said this week. On Wednesday, Russia issued a sharp warning
to the United States and ex-Soviet republics looking to join the NATO
alliance, saying expansion of the bloc into lands the Kremlin considers
its backyard would have a "colossal" and negative impact. The lower
house of the Russian parliament, the Duma, also overwhelmingly approved
a "message" to the parliament of Ukraine expressing the "serious
concern" at Kiev's goal of joining NATO and saying this would violate
treaty agreements between the two countries. The contentious atmosphere
in Ukraine has led to the postponement of another joint military
exercise between Ukraine and Britain. The Ukrainian defense ministry
said Thursday "in the current situation" Kiev and London had decided
"unfortunately" to postpone manoeuvres which were scheduled to start
June 12. No new date has been set.

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(1) Israel's chief Sephardi rabbi calls on China to recognize Judaism as an official religion
(2) US Supreme Court dismisses class-action lawsuit against Austria
(3) Laws passed in wake of Nuremberg trials now being used against Israeli generals
(4) Rachel Corrie: Will Americans Get to Hear The Voice of an American Anne Frank?
(5) Paris court fines Dieudonne M'Bala M'Bala 3,000 Euros
(6) The Prisoner's Agreement - Hamas says 'Yes' to two-state solution" with 1967 borders

(1) Israel's chief Sephardi rabbi calls on China to recognize Judaism
as an official religion

Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:45:02 +0930 From: "Adelaide Institute"

Rabbi wants China to recognize Judaism

Israel's chief Sephardi rabbi called on China to recognize Judaism as
an official religion. Shlomo Amar made the call Monday as he visited a
synagogue in Shanghai, Reuters reported. Giving Judaism official status
would be mainly symbolic, since most Jews living in China are
expatriates working there.

During his visit to the site of the Ohel Rachel Synagogue, which is
currently a government building, Amar also thanked Shanghai for
providing a home for Jewish refugees during the Holocaust.

(2) US Supreme Court dismisses class-action lawsuit against Austria

Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:45:02 +0930 From: "Adelaide Institute"

Supreme Court Skirts Holocaust Dispute


The Associated Press

Monday, June 12, 2006; 2:03 PM

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court turned back an appeal Monday from
Austrian Jewish victims of the Nazi regime whose litigation had tied up
payments from a $210 million settlement.

Justices refused to disturb a decision by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of
Appeals, which sided with the Bush administration in dismissing the
class-action lawsuit against Austria.

That decision late last year cleared the way for payouts from a 2001
settlement fund. So far, more than 2,000 payments have been made to
Austrian Jews whose property was confiscated during the Nazi era and
World War II. The fund was set up through negotiations with the
Austrian government and businesses.

Lawyers who filed the class-action lawsuit told justices that the
appeals court panel "swayed perhaps by an understandable desire to
obtain some measure of compensation for Holocaust survivors during
their lifetimes, has dismissed this case for the wrong reason."

The appeals court panel had split 2-1 in agreeing with the Bush
administration that dismissing the case would improve U.S. relations
with Austria, Israel and European nations. A dissenting judge said the
ruling gives the government too much power to decide when lawsuits can
be brought against other countries.

The lawsuit had been filed in 2000 by present and former nationals of
Austria and their heirs and successors who suffered from Nazi
persecution between 1938 and 1945.

Had the high court intervened and reinstated the case, Austria could
have been forced to defend itself in court despite the settlement.
Gideon Taylor, executive vice president of the conference on Jewish
Material Claims Against Germany, said more than 2,000 payments have
been made and more are coming.

"It's important that payments are made quickly, because they're
symbolic. As much as they're about the money, they're also about the
history," Taylor said.

The case is Schindler v. Whiteman, 05-1296.
6061200 550.html

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Last update - 06:20 12/06/2006

Official talks on survivors' payments to open today in Berlin

By Shlomo Shamir

NEW YORK - Official negotiations on Holocaust reparations between
representatives of the German government and a senior delegation of Je
wish leaders are due to begin today in Berlin. These are the first
official talks on the question of payments to Holocaust survivors to be
held with the new German government under Chancellor Angela Merkel.

"The talks in Berlin are in effect a renewal of the dialogue with the
German government on affairs relating to Holocaust survivors after a
long period in which the sides merely held informal contacts," said Dr.
Israel Singer, president of the Claims Conference and head of the

The Jewish side, consisting of representatives from Israel and European
countries, plans to raise the plight of thousands of survivors who are
elderly and ill and have special needs. Germany two years ago allocated
9 million euros as special assistance to needy survivors. At the
present talks, the delegation will ask that the aid be renewed and that
it be raised to 15 million.

Another issue will be the provision of a lifelong pension to survivors
who lived under Nazi occupation in western Europe - some 4,000 people
who succeeded in staying alive in difficult conditions in countries
like France, Holland and Belgium.

Singer noted that, since her election, Merkel had consistently shown a
positive attitude toward the renewal of talks. However, he refused to
assess the chances of success. "So long as there is still one survivor
alive, the negotiations will continue," he said.

Amiram Barkat adds: Meanwhile, the World Jewish Congress is pressing
the Allianz AG Insurance company of Germany to speed up its handling of
the payment of claims to the heirs of Nazi victims who held policies
with it.

Allianz is one of the largest insurance groups in the world. According
to Holocaust historians and legal experts, such as Professors Michael
Bazyler and Gerald Feldman from the United States, Allianz insured the
concentration camps at Auschwitz-Birkenau as well as other death camps.

In 1998, after a public campaign waged by the WJC and other Jewish
bodies, Allianz and four other large insurance companies signed an
agreement to pay compensation to heirs of Holocaust victims that had
held policies with them.

Allianz has so far received some 20,000 claims from the heirs, but
about a month ago, it informed the committee supervising the work on
the claims that it planned to turn down some 7,000 of them because they
lacked details of identification. Of these, 1,700 include the full name
of the policy-holder. The WJC contends that there is sufficient
information from the claims to locate the original policies.

WJC's Israel director, Bobby Brown, told Haaretz that the congress was
demanding to know whether Allianz had thoroughly checked its archives
in an attempt to identify the policy-holders.

(3) Laws passed in wake of Nuremberg trials now being used against
Israeli generals

Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 05:31:31 -0700 From: Bruce Tanner

Israelis Fear Spread Of War Crimes Cases

Laws passed in wake of Nuremberg trials now being pressed in Europe
against Israeli generals. Liel Leibovitz - Staff Writer

On Sept. 10, 2005,

- Doron Almog, the former commander of the Israel Defense Forces'
Southern Command, was on board an El Al flight to London to raise money
for brain-damaged children. But as the plane landed at Heathrow and
other passengers began to disembark, a flight attendant approached
Almog with a cryptic message. "The pilot asked that I disembark last,"

Almog later told Israeli Radio, repeating the flight attendant's
message. "After some time, the chief steward said that the Israeli
military attache was on his way and wanted to speak to me. I phoned
him, and he told me not to get off the plane."

The reason, he soon learned, was an arrest warrant, issued that day by
a senior London magistrate charging Almog, as the army's top commander
in the Gaza Strip, with overseeing the bulldozing of 59 Palestinian
homes in the Rafah refugee camp in January of 2002 - acts that violate
the Geneva Conventions.

Under British law, ordinary citizens are free to file criminal
complaints against individuals suspected of war crimes, even if the
accused are not British citizens and the alleged crimes - were not
committed on British soil. The threshold such complaints must meet to
justify an arrest warrant are substantial.

But in this case, Senior District Judge Timothy Workman ruled that the
plaintiff - a resident of one the bulldozed homes - had met the bar.

Almog never got off the plane. He returned to Israel the same day. And
with Almog's departure from his jurisdiction, Workman withdrew his
arrest warrant, as per the requirements of British law.

The problem, however, was far from solved: A few months later, Israel's
military advocate general advised the current Gaza commander, Brig.
Gen. Aviv Kochavi, to decline an official British invitation to spend
the summer at the Royal College of Defense Studies, fearing that he,
too, would be greeted at the airport by police officers.

Neither is the problem confined to Britain. Other European nations,
such as France, Spain, Sweden and Denmark, have similar laws, all
guided by the principle known as universal justice.

These statutes allow lawsuits against alleged perpetrators of war
crimes and crimes against humanity to be prosecuted even if neither the
complainant nor the defendant are citizens of the country in which they
are filed, and even if the alleged crime took place somewhere else.

With cases similar to Almog's already brought against Israeli officials
in Belgium, Israeli diplomats and legal experts fear that the
procedures in England might herald an onslaught of lawsuits against
Israeli officers in courts the world over. Ironically, the laws in
question were first put into place in the wake of the Nuremberg trials
of Nazi war criminals to ensure such crimes could not be perpetrated
without prosecution.

Chandra Sriram, professor of human rights at the University of East
London and one of the leading experts in the field, cautioned that
universal justice cases face tough tests. "The threshold is relatively
high," she said. As a practical matter, courts "are not willing to
assert jurisdiction unless they think there is a reasonable case and a
reasonable chance of managing it."

Usually, there must be strong evidence that the individual or
individuals in question were personally responsible for specific gross
violations of international law, such as genocide or torture, explained

And the evidence must support clear intent to commit the violations,
she said, not just that they occurred as byproducts of other actions.
Still, on a strictly legal level in Great Britain, a judge technically
need only find that the facts alleged, if proven, would constitute a
violation of international law under the principle of universal
justice, said Sriram.

It is hard to know Workman's exact legal reasoning for issuing Almog's
arrest warrant. Alongside the warrant, Workman issued a still-sealed
document explaining his decision. Kate Maynard, the solicitor who
brought the charges against Almog, said the magistrate stated there was
sufficient evidence to open up a case against Almog, as his
responsibility for the house demolitions was in breach of the Fourth
Geneva Convention, a violation criminalized in the UK.

Sriram noted that another common yardstick in such cases was whether
the country whose citizens were being charged had a functioning
judicial system capable of pursuing its own challenges. "You can," she
added, "characterize the Israeli legal system as such."

Yet, Israel's judicial system has been reluctant to address most
accusations concerning the behavior of army officers in the West Bank
and Gaza. According to a 2005 Human Rights Watch report, more than
1,600 Palestinians - including at least 500 children - were killed by
Israeli security forces between Sept. 29, 2000 and Nov. 30, 2004.

Thousands more were seriously injured. The Israel Defense Forces
informed Human Rights Watch that as of May 10, 2004, it had launched
criminal investigations of just 74 alleged cases of unlawful use of
lethal force - less than 5% of the civilian deaths in nearly four years
of the second intifada.

Maynard, the British solicitor who filed the suit against Almog,
stressed it was the evidence, not the Israeli judicial system's failure
to deal with that case, that most influenced the magistrate's decision
to issue an arrest warrant. Documenting such a failure was not, in any
event, a formal requirement of the British statute in question, she

But Maynard added, "In all cases we've put together, we've always
sought to show a chain of impunity in Israel. In all of the cases we've
been able to show that local lawyers have petitioned the courts to try
and obtain justice in Israel, and couldn't."

For all the efforts by some to use the principle of universal justice
against Israeli actions in the occupied territories, Sriram stressed
that the concept remained problematic in legal terms.

"It's murky," she said. "If anyone can assert it anywhere in the world,
how could you resolve competing claims? And how do you establish who
has a legitimate claim?" As a result of such issues, she said, courts
the world over think carefully before translating principle into
action. Courts, she stressed, "are only going to entertain a case where
a case has been made of a clear international crime. They exercise a
pretty significant degree of caution."

Israel Fights Back

Tzipi Livni, Israel's minister of foreign affairs, has denounced the
cases filed against Israel as politically motivated.

"England is turning into an address for lawsuits that do not deal with
its own citizens," she said in a recent statement. "This may undermine
its war on terrorism." Working behind the scenes, Israeli diplomats are
trying to convince other European countries to amend their legislation.
Its negotiators conduct their talks, for the most part, without

Belgium is a case in point: In 1993, the country passed an
unprecedented law that allowed citizens to press criminal charges
against anyone suspected of crimes against humanity, with few

Unlike Britain, for example, Belgium allowed for arrest warrants to be
issued against accused individuals even if they were outside the
country and had never entered into its jurisdiction.

Using this law, 23 survivors of the 1982 massacre in the - Lebanese
Sabra and Shatila refugee camps filed a complaint in 2001 accusing
Israel's then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon - and other Israeli
officials, of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

A tense debate ensued, with Israeli and American diplomats arguing the
law's flaws. In 2003, the law was changed, stating that Belgian courts
will only have jurisdiction over international crimes if the accused or
the victim is Belgian or a Belgian resident, or if Belgium is required
by treaty to exercise jurisdiction over the case.

More recently, Livni met last month with British Foreign Office
Minister Kim Howells to discuss the problems British law posed for IDF
officers. Howells acknowledged that the problem burdened both
countries, and pledged to try and resolve the situation rapidly.

But not all countries are revising their laws. Spain's Supreme Court,
for example, last year overturned a 2003 decision that blocked the
country from prosecuting the perpetrators of human rights violations in
Guatemala, affirming the need to bring international criminals to
justice, regardless of their citizenship or where they committed their

Israeli legal experts agree that the lawsuits are harmful in the long
term. But, in an apparent indication of the issue's sensitivity, no
official could be found in the Foreign Ministry or the army who was
willing to comment on the record.

"While no immediate threat is evident," said an Israeli official who
would speak only on condition of anonymity, "the damage, in the long
run, accumulates.

Such lawsuits deeply embarrass us, and they create - a false impression
that Israel is a singularly unlawful state." (Zionists can now go back
to Playing Themselves as Victims.)

The irony of this wave of legal challenges, said Israeli officials, is
that they rely on aspects of international law originally devised, in
part, as a response to the Holocaust.

During the Nuremberg trials, a concept of International Jurisdiction
began to take shape, according to which states may claim criminal
jurisdiction over persons suspected of crimes against humanity
regardless of the perpetrator's nationality or the location of the
crime itself.

One of the most famous international cases invoking this principle was
Israel's prosecution, in 1961, of Nazi criminal Adolf Eichmann.

The United States does not allow citizens to file such criminal
complaints. But U.S. law does allow for civil suits. A class-action
suit was brought last December in the U.S. District Court for the
District of Columbia by a group of Lebanese nationals charging Moshe
Ya'alon, the Israeli army's former chief of staff, and Avi Dichter, the
former head of the Shin Bet, with war crimes for their roles in the
1996 bombing of the Lebanese village Kafar Qana, an incident that
caused the death of more than 100 civilians.

Ya'alon is currently serving as a research fellow at the Washington
Institute for Near East Policy.

The plaintiffs sued under the Alien Torts Claims Act of 1789, which
grants jurisdiction to U.S. federal courts over "any civil action by an
alien for a tort only, committed in violation of the law of nations or
a treaty of the United States."

The act has been invoked many times, albeit with scant success, in
cases involving everything from - a Holocaust survivor suing the
National French Railroad Company for the deportation of Jews to Nazi
death camps - to a suit filed against Texaco for disposing of waste in
the Ecuadorian Amazon.

The complaint against Ya'alon, filed on November 4, 2005, accuses the
former head of army intelligence of having "command responsibility" in
the 1996 attack. The case, said Judith Chomsky of the Center for
Constitutional Rights, an organization that helped bring the lawsuit
against Ya'alon, stands a good chance.

"A recent Supreme Court decision has recognized that the statute
provides that an alien can bring a claim if the claim is based on
violations of the law of nations, or customary law, which is universal,
obligatory and specific," she said.

"For example, you can't torture people, and no nation has the right to
say, 'I'm staying out of this rule; I'm going to torture people
anyway.'" The complaint, she said, with its meticulous description of
the attack's damage to lives and property, falls within that realm.

Israeli officials declined to comment on the Ya'alon case.

(4) Rachel Corrie: Will Americans Get to Hear The Voice of an American
Anne Frank?

Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:06:15 +0930 From: "Adelaide Institute"

Rachel Corrie: Will Americans Get to Hear The Voice of an American Anne

Washington Report, May/June 2006, pages 21-22

Special Report

By Delinda C. Hanley

AMERICANS are usually excessively polite when it comes to talking about
religion or politics. We don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, so we
may avoid discussing either subject too passionately with strangers -
or even at the dinner table. We're taught to listen carefully to both
sides of an argument before we make up our mind. Not only is that how
we're raised, but it's the cornerstone of our government and our
judicial system.

There are many families which do not shy away from controversial
issues, however. When my parents, Dick and Donna Curtiss, were teaching
their children table manners and when to speak and when to listen, they
also taught another lesson by example. My mother (with her aunt and
toddler in tow) joined sit-ins at Woolworth lunch counters in Virginia
to protest their refusal to serve African Americans, and for years both
my parents protested peacefully in the streets of Washington, DC -
sometimes every day - on behalf of Palestinian rights.

They taught me that if we witness injustice or the violation of another
human being's rights it's our duty to take the gloves off and speak up
- even if it hurts some feelings.

I can't count how many times I read Anne Frank: Diary of a Young Girl.
This book has been translated into more than 100 languages and studied
by millions of schoolchildren around the world. We all know her story
by heart. Anne's father, Otto, tried to protect his family from Nazi
persecution of Jews by moving from Germany to Holland. He fails. Hidden
with her family and Jewish friends in an attic for more than two years,
however, Anne discovers herself as she writes about her life.

Everyone who's read her diary or seen the films loves Anne and hates
the end of her story. Nazis discover the Franks' secret hiding place,
arrest the family, along with the Dutchmen who'd helped hide them, and
send them to concentration camps. Anne died of typhus in March 1945 in
Bergen-Belsen when she was only 15. Two months later, after World War
II ended, Otto - the only survivor from the attic room - returned to
Amsterdam, found his daughter's diary and presented Anne's words to the

The story of Anne Frank's life and death resonates with people of all
ages and backgrounds. Anne's diary provides a vehicle for people to
learn from Europe's Holocaust and examine prejudice, persecution,
discrimination, hatred and violence.

Anne's words survive death and inspire young people to express their
idealism. Her faith that good will triumph over evil still gives us

It defies belief that anyone today, especially Jewish Americans, would
try to bury the words of another young heroine, Rachel Corrie, the
brave 23-year-old American girl crushed to death on March 16, 2003 as
she tried to prevent the demolition of a civilian family's home in the
Gaza Strip. Indeed, few Americans have even heard about the sweet brave
life and the horrifying death of Rachel Corrie. Unfortunately, that
suits some people - Israel-right-or-wrong Americans, Jews and
Christians alike - just fine.

Rachel Corrie is the Joan of Arc of the human rights movement, a martyr
for Palestinians and for nonviolent protesters around the world. Like
Otto Frank, her parents, Craig and Cindy, recognized the power and
passion of her e-mails home and shared them with the world. When people
saw the Corrie family's home movie of Rachel, aged 10, on a school
stage reciting her poem about how "children everywhere are suffering"
and how she wished to "stop hunger by the year 2000," she became a
daughter to us all. We're achingly proud of her loving spirit and we
mourn her death.

But when Jewish theater patrons and their rabbis heard that Rachel's
Corrie's words would be brought to life at the New York Theater
Workshop - as they had earlier in London - they complained. Artistic
director James Nicola's theater suddenly "postponed" indefinitely the
U.S. debut of "My Name Is Rachel Corrie."

Actress Vanessa Redgrave, who has paid a high professional price for
her empathy for Palestinians, said it best: "This is censorship of the
worst kind. More awful even than that. It is black-listing a dead girl
and her diaries. A very brave and exceptional girl who all citizens,
whatever their faith or nationality, should be proud and grateful

Censorship is not uncommon when it comes to criticism of Israeli
actions. Americans don't want to offend Jews who have suffered so much,
so we censor ourselves. We so dread being labeled anti-Semitic that we
commit another sin - we stand by, or even assist Israel, as it
ethnically cleanses Palestinians from their land. We look the other way
when Israel wrongs Palestinians - or even our fellow Americans.

The survivors of Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty know the
routine. On June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War that Israel launched
against the Arabs, Israeli aircraft and motor torpedo boats attacked
the American intelligence ship USS Liberty for 75 minutes in
international waters. Thirty-four Americans were killed and 174 were
wounded. This shocking war crime has been hushed up by American
officials for years. Survivors were warned never to talk about the
worst day of their lives. They are labeled "anti-Semitic" when they
gather each year to remember their shipmates and call for an official
investigation of the attack.

Whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu served 18 years in prison, 11 in
solitary confinement, for telling the world that Israel was working on
an illegal nuclear weapons program. While serving his sentence in
Israel Vanunu, who earlier had converted to Christianity, was adopted
by an American couple. Vanunu hoped to emigrate to the United States
after his release and live in peace and safety. But Israel won't even
let him leave Jerusalem, and the courts are trying to put him back in
jail and throw away the key. Americans are too polite to exert
political pressure on his behalf.

Israel-first Americans aren't so polite.

Just before the "My Name is Rachel Corrie" controversy erupted in New
York, the Washington Report received a note from Barbara Lubin,
executive director of the Middle East Children's Alliance (MECA). Lubin
is a Jewish American activist who has dedicated her life to helping
Palestinian children survive Israel's occupation. She told us that MECA
had teamed up with the Berkeley Art Center and Alliance Graphics to
present an exhibit last November and December called "Justice Matters:
Artists Consider Palestine." In their works 14 Palestinian and American
artists addressed Israel's occupation and colonization of Palestine.

The artists, MECA and the Berkeley Art Center were attacked by the
Anti-Defamation League, the Simon Wiesenthal Center and other people
who claimed to represent the mainstream Jewish community. According to
Jos Sances, curator of "Justice Matters," "there was even an effort to
close the show down and have the city withdraw its annual support for
the Berkeley Art Center."

Fourteen rabbis (one for each artist?) visited Berkeley's mayor to
condemn the exhibit. The artists were charged with glorifying violence
and terrorism, perpetuating anti-Semitic stereotypes and even lying
about their own history.

On the other hand, there was support from the community and e-mails to
the Berkeley Art Center included comments like: "A powerful, scathing
experience. Thank you for it" and "It was very thought provoking to see
the other side." Even an Israeli offered "my admiration for your
courage in showing this important protest art."

Organizers had hoped to make "Justice Matters" a traveling show to
raise money for a graphics and screen-printing workshop in the West
Bank's Dheisheh refugee camp. There aren't many communities which will
dare host it now. While Americans cherish freedom of speech, some words
and images are not welcome. Lubin concludes her note: "What about our
First Amendment rights to have an art exhibit in Berkeley, California?"

New York Theater's shocking cancelation of "My Name is Rachel Corrie"
is not the first time a brave voice was silenced - but let's make sure
it's the last.

Delinda C. Hanley is news editor of the Washington Report.

(5) Paris court fines Dieudonne M'Bala M'Bala 3,000 Euros

Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:08:57 -0700 From: Jeff Blankfort

Item One:

A Paris court has fined Dieudonne M'Bala M'Bala 3,000 Euros plus asked
him to pay 1,500 Euros for damages and 3,000 Euros for the legal costs
of producer-animator Arthur, for defamation .

In an interview with "The Source" (December 29, 2003) quoted in "Le
Monde" (January 8, 2004), Mr. M'Bala M'Bala said: "With his production
company Arthur actively finances the Israeli army that does not
hesitate in the killing of Palestinian children... [Arthur is] an
example of the power of the very strong lobby that puts its religious
interests above all professional or artistic considerations, abusing
its power to ostracize." Mr. M'Bala M'Bala alleges that he was the
victim of such ostracism and is to appeal the sentence.
(Guysen.Israel.News) 6.13.6

The court decision, of course, proves Dieudonne's opinion of the power
of French Jewish lobby

Item Two:

The General Chief of Staff, Dan Halutz, regrets the death of eight
Palestinian civilians in a helicopter raid this morning carried out by
the IDF against Kassam rockets launching areas in the north of the Gaza
Strip, but he has blamed the collateral victims on the terrorists
themselves, who persist in operating in densely populated areas.
(Guysen.Isra?l.News) 6.1.36

What Halutz calls "operating" is simply driving down a main street. In
a recent protest in front of Halutz's house, the daughter of prime
minister Olmert called Halutz "a murderer." At least one person in the
Olmert family is capable of telling the truth.

(6) The Prisoner's Agreement - Hamas says 'Yes' to two-state solution"
with 1967 borders

Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:52:48 -0700 From: Jeff Blankfort
<> Monday, 12 June 2006

A Duplicitous Referendum

Setting the Record Straight on Hamas

By Jennifer Loewenstein

Oxford, UK

11 June 2006

A June 3rd poll conducted by Near East Consulting based in Ramallah,
Palestine shows that the overwhelming majority of Palestinians support
the Prisoner's Agreement, an inter-factional agreement signed by one
member each of Fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the PFLP, and the DFLP
inside Israel's Hadarim prison this past May. (1) The document
implicitly recognizes Israel by accepting, among other things, a
Palestinian state in the lands occupied by Israel in the June 1967 war.

News reports have paid a lot of attention to the Prisoner's Agreement
in part because it accepts the Arab League initiative (Saudi Plan)
unanimously adopted by the Arab states in Beirut in 2002 at the height
of the Second Intifada. By calling for an independent Palestinian state
on the '67 lines in return for peace with Israel, both the Saudi Plan
and the Prisoner's Agreement echo the international consensus on
Palestine since the mid 1970s. Israel has completely ignored the Arab
initiative despite overwhelming support among the Palestinians.

But the Prisoner's Agreement has also become the focal point of the
most recent crisis in internal Palestinian politics: Palestinian
Authority president and Fatah deputy leader Mahmoud Abbas has called
for a national referendum on the document should Hamas fail to adopt it
as part of their official program. So far, Hamas has refused and has
labeled Abbas' actions "illegal."

Not surprisingly, there is more to the referendum story than ever makes
it into the press. In this case, the information omitted from the
public record makes it possible for the United States, Israel and their
allies to continue to justify the economic siege imposed on the
Palestinian territories, a siege that is causing Palestinian society to
teeter on the brink of ruin. In their rush to push forward a regional,
pro-US and anti-democratic agenda, those states allied against the
Palestine national movement (including Egypt and Jordan) have created
the kind of humanitarian crisis one would expect to find as the result
of a natural disaster.

No attention has been paid to what the Hamas leadership is actually
saying, or to critical factors such as US efforts to build a 3,500 man
militia around the office of Abbas in an effort to encourage civil
infighting or Israel's recent approval of a large shipment of arms and
ammunition from Egypt and Jordan for the equipping of the Presidential
Guard. Abbas, who is supported by the US, aims to increase the number
of armed soldiers around him to 10,000. He is also aiming, with US
support, to create a shadow government that will undermine the
legitimate one now controlled by Hamas.(2) It should come as a surprise
to no one that, in the words of Mohammed Nazzal, a member of the Hamas
government in exile, "Hamas will not submit to blackmail." (3) This is
essentially the goal of Abbas' call for a referendum. There is no need
to bring to a popular vote support for the Prisoner's Agreement.
Overwhelming popular support for this and other initiatives, including
support for the two-state solution, has long been documented.

Most of the rhetoric damns Hamas for refusing to follow Abbas'
instructions. Hamas remains the reason why states should support the
economic and political blockade on Palestine although this does little
more than fuel the "War on Terror" by adding another organization to
the blacklist of regional enemies. Labeling Hamas a "terrorist
organization" obscures the reality, however. Its political leadership
and its electoral/government program (i.e. not its Charter) have put
forth both reasonable and moderate demands. Acceptance of an
independent Palestinian state has long been part of its strategic
agenda. Its reputation as a "rejectionist" movement stems in part from
its unwillingness to act alone, without reciprocal moves by Israel, a
state whose extremist policies over the past 5 decades have transformed
the physical landscape of Palestine so dramatically that the prospects
for a genuine peace settlement today are bleaker than ever.

In his latest comments on Abbas' decision to call the referendum,
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert summed up his government's view of
this effort insofar as it could create a bridge toward peace talks with
Israel. He said, "The referendum is an internal game between one
faction and the other..It is meaningless in terms of the broad picture
of chances towards some kind of dialogue between us and the
Palestinians. It's meaningless." (4) Whether the referendum 'succeeds'
or 'fails' therefore, will be of no consequence whatsoever in efforts
to resume negotiations or as form of leverage to end the deadly siege
on the territories.

II. Hamas accepts a two-state solution. When asked by
Newsweek-Washington Post correspondent Lally Weymouth on 26 February
2006 what agreements Hamas was prepared to honor, the new Hamas Prime
Minister, Ismail Haniyeh answered, "the ones that will guarantee the
establishment of a Palestinian State with Jerusalem as its capital with
1967 borders." Weymouth went on, "Will you recognize Israel?" to which
Haniyeh responded, "If Israel declares that it will give the
Palestinian people a state and give them back all their rights then we
are ready to recognize them." (5) This view encapsulates the Hamas
demand for reciprocity.

In an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer four days after the PLC
elections, the new Hamas Foreign Minister, Mahmoud Zahar (considered
the party's hard-liner) remarked, "We can accept to establish our
independent state on the area occupied [in] 1967." Like Haniyeh and
other Hamas members, Zahar insists that once such a state is
established a long-term truce "lasting as long as 10, 20 or 100 years"
will ensue ending the state of armed conflict between Israelis and
Palestinians. (6)

Hamas government spokesman Ghazi Hamad commented to reporters on 10 May
2006, "Yes, we accept an independent state in the Palestinian
territories occupied by Israel in the 1967 Middle East War. This
attitude is not new and it is declared in the government's platform."

In an effort to clarify the Hamas position on Abbas' call for a
referendum, Hamas parliamentary speaker Aziz Duweik explained that it
had nothing to do with a lack of support for the two-state settlement.
"Everybody in Hamas says 'Yes' to the two-state solution," he said.
"The problem comes from the fact that the Israelis so far [have not
said they] accept the 1967 borders.between the two states."(8)

Other leaders are just as explicit. "Hamas is clear in terms of the
historical solution and an interim solution. We are ready for both: the
borders of 1967, a state, elections, and agreement after 10-15 years of
building trust," commented Usama Hamdan, the Hamas Chief Representative
in Lebanon. (9) Notable here is that his remarks were made in 2003 well
before the Hamas victory of January 2006. Indeed, it should be pointed
out that most of the on-the-record comments to this effect were made
prior to these elections.

Additional Hamas spokespersons who have made explicit reference to
acceptance of an independent Palestinian state on the 1967 lands
include Sheikh Ahmad Haj Ali, a Muslim Brotherhood leader and Hamas
legislative candidate currently imprisoned in Israel (interviewed in
July 2005); Muhammad Ghazal, Hamas spokesperson also currently in an
Israeli jail (Sept. 2005); Hasan Yousef, West Bank political leader
(August 2005); and the Hamas Electoral Manifesto Article 5:1 which
calls for "adherence to the goal of defeating the [1967] occupation and
establishing an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its
capital." (10)

In 1989, Hamas spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmad Yassin (assassinated by
Israel in March 2004) stated, "I do not want to destroy Israel.. We
want to negotiate with Israel so the Palestinian people inside and
outside Palestine can live in Palestine. Then the problem will cease to
exist." (11)

The hard-line Hamas leader, Abdel Aziz Rantisi, assassinated by Israel
in April 2004 commented in 2002 that, "[T]he Intifada is about forcing
Israel's withdrawal to the 1967 borders." This "doesn't mean the
Arab-Israeli conflict will be over," but rather that the armed
resistance to Israel would end." (12)

In a 2004 report published by the highly regarded International Crisis
Group, "During the 1987-1993 uprising, Hamas leaders proposed various
formulas for Israeli withdrawal to the June 4th 1967 borders, to be
reciprocated with a decades'-long truce (hudna)." That same report
notes that, "In a March 1988 meeting with Israeli Foreign Minister
Shimon Peres, and then with Defense Minister Rabin in June 1989, Hamas
leader (now FM) Mahmud Zahar explicitly proposed an Israeli withdrawal
to the 1967 boundaries, to be followed by a negotiated permanent
settlement." The offer was refused. (13)

III. In a CounterPunch article posted on 24 February 2006, I wrote that
the Hamas leadership had "clearly and repeatedly" called for an
independent Palestinian state on the lands occupied by Israel in 1967.
(14) I received numerous emails demanding "proof" of this assertion and
calling me a traitor, a liar, a Nazi, a terrorist sympathizer and an
anti-Semite. The statements included in this piece should help put to
rest those accusations. Indeed, the statements made to this effect by
Hamas members here are but a small sampling of similar statements made
over the years that are part of the public (though unreported) record.

Surely, one can find many remarks by Hamas leaders over the years that
are much less conciliatory, indeed even inflammatory and often
disturbing. It would be misleading to suggest otherwise. Nonetheless
the trend especially in the past few years up to the present has been
toward a more conciliatory, indeed more realistic policy. As Crisis
Group analyst Mouin Rabbani has written, "On Hamas I would not hesitate
to say that the organization as a whole has essentially reconciled
itself to a two-state settlement as a strategic option but has not
formally adopted this as an organisational position. Yasin, Rantisi,
Abu Shanab, Mashal, etc. have all made such statements. Have they made
others that contradict them? Of course. But I think it can safely be
concluded the strategic decisions have been made, the tactics remain
unresolved and the formalities will come last." The question for us is
whether or not we will give Hamas the chance to translate their words
into actions. Rabbani writes, "it would be as na?ve to take the above
statements on faith as it would be foolish not to put them to the

As Menachem Klein points out in a recent Haaretz article, "The
political texts of Hamas indicate that at present the organization is
not fundamentalist." (16) It has moved away from the ideological
demands of its Charter into a pragmatism that seeks to respond to the
demands of the day without falling into the same traps that Fatah and
the Fatah-led PA fell into over the years. It has respected a one-sided
truce for the past 16 months ?though with the June 9th Israeli
artillery attack on a north Gaza beach in which 7 civilians died, six
of them from the same family, this truce may have come to an end. Hamas
has also agreed to support negotiations between Abbas and Israel.

Hamas' rejection of Abbas' call for a referendum on the Prisoner's
Agreement has nothing to do with its willingness to accept an
independent Palestinian state on '67 lands and everything to do with
its opposition to those in Fatah and in Israel, the US and EU who are
doing everything in their power to bring down the Hamas government- and
in the most depraved
manner: by starving the population into submission and forcing on it
the illegal diktats of anti-democratic warlords within the occupied
Palestinian territories such as the US-backed Fatah militia leader and
former head of the Preventive Security Services, Mohammad Dahlan.

In a June 8th 2006 article in the Financial Times, Henry Siegman
commented on remarks made on Israeli television by Israeli security
expert Ephraim Halevy. He writes, "Why should Israel care whether Hamas
grants it the right to exist, Mr. Halevy asked. Israel exists and
Hamas's recognition or non-recognition neither adds to nor detracts
from that irrefutable fact. But 40 years after the 1967 war, a
Palestinian state does not exist. The politically consequential
question, therefore, is whether Israel recognizes a Palestinian right
to statehood, not the reverse." (17)

Indeed, until Israel actively agrees to withdraw to the June 4th 1967
borders, Hamas should not fall into the trap that Fatah under Yassir
Arafat fell into- of conceding more and more for less and less until
there is nothing left. Right now the US-backed annexation/cantonization
program seems likely to bring the whole Palestinian tragedy to a
hideous end. All the maneuverings are a cover for that, the whole
discussion about the referendum included. Fatah should by now know
better than to fall into the hands of US and Israeli overlords in its
quest for local dominance. The fact that it does not should be reason
enough for why it was voted out of power last January. Hamas has good
reasons to demand that Israel, with US urging, show its good faith
first. In the meantime Hamas' continued opposition to Abbas' dubious
call for a referendum on the Prisoner's Agreement is justified.


1; Press Release: The Palestinian National
Dialogue and call for a Referendum Survey #2, 3 June 2006.

2. See "PA Chief Abbas aims to expand presidential guard," by Ze'ev
Schiff, Haaretz, 28 May 2006. See also "Talking to
Hamas," by Alastair Crooke in Prospect, issue 123, June 2006.

3. Ibid, Ze'ev Schiff, Haaretz, 28 May 2006.

4. "Abbas sets Referendum for July 26; Hamas rejects Poll," Mijal
Grinberg and Assaf Uni, Haaretz, 10 June 2006.

5. "We do not wish to throw them into the sea," Interview between Lally
Weymouth and Ismail Haniyeh in the Washington Post, Sunday 26 February

6. "Hamas leader sets condition for truce," on CNN World website, 29
January 2006.

7. "Abbas delays referendum decision," BBC News, Tuesday 6 June 2006.

8.. "Hamas says ready to accept Palestinian statehood in 1967 border,"
in China View, 10 May 2006;

9. "Enter Hamas: the challenges of political integration,"
International Crisis Group Report no. 49, Amman/Brussels; 18 January
2006. First edition (preliminary) report.

10. Ibid; The Hamas Electoral Manifesto also states, "Yes to a free,
independent and sovereign state on every portion of the West Bank, Gaza
Strip and Jerusalem without conceding any part of historic Palestine."
This, of course, will raise red flags for some, which is why I include
it here. I do not want to be accused of leaving out important
statements or phrases. As with other statements, however, it must be
measured against current realities both military and political.

11. "Dealing with Hamas," International Crisis Group Report no. 21,
Amman/Brussels; 26 January 2004. From an interview in An-Nahar
(Jerusalem), 30 April 1989. Quoted in Ziad Abu Amr, Islamic
Fundamentalism. Op. cit. p.76

12. "Enter Hamas: the challenges of political integration,"
International Crisis Group report no. 49, 18 January 2006.

13. "Dealing with Hamas," International Crisis Group report no. 21, 26
January 2004. Amman/Brussels.

14. "For Those Who Haven't Noticed: Watching the Dissolution of
Palestine," 24 February 2006; CounterPunch, edited by Alexander
Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair,

15. Mouin Rabbani; personal correspondence. Also in "Enter Hamas" the
ICG preliminary report on Hamas from 18 January 2006.

16. "Hamas' Contradictory Voices," by Menachem Klein, Haaretz, 2 June

17. "The Issue is not Whether Hamas Recognizes Israel," by Henry
Siegman, Financial Times, 8 June 2006.

Jennifer Loewenstein

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(1) Mass Immigration akin to "barbarian invasions that destroyed the Roman empire"
(2) Top-level Israeli military now at most important US-government connected think tank
(3) UPI report on Mearsheimer/Walt paper
(4) Japanese-Chinese economic cooperation - Eamonn Fingleton
(5) 141,204-kilometer Asian Highway network to cost $44 billion

(1) Mass Immigration akin to "barbarian invasions that destroyed the Roman empire"

Beware: the new goths are coming

Peter Almond

The Sunday Times June 11, 2006,,2087-2220267,00.html

ONE of Britain's most senior military strategists has warned that
western civilisation faces a threat on a par with the barbarian
invasions that destroyed the Roman empire.

In an apocalyptic vision of security dangers, Rear Admiral Chris Parry
said future migrations would be comparable to the Goths and Vandals
while north African "barbary" pirates could be attacking yachts and
beaches in the Mediterranean within 10 years.

Europe, including Britain, could be undermined by large immigrant
groups with little allegiance to their host countries - a "reverse
colonisation" as Parry described it. These groups would stay connected
to their homelands by the internet and cheap flights. The idea of
assimilation was becoming redundant, he said.

The warnings by Parry of what could threaten Britain over the next 30
years were delivered to senior officers and industry experts at a
conference last week. Parry, head of the development, concepts and
doctrine centre at the Ministry of Defence, is charged with identifying
the greatest challenges that will frame national security policy in the

If a security breakdown occurred, he said, it was likely to be brought
on by environmental destruction and a population boom, coupled with
technology and radical Islam. The result for Britain and Europe, Parry
warned, could be "like the 5th century Roman empire facing the Goths
and the Vandals".

Parry pointed to the mass migration which disaster in the Third World
could unleash. "The diaspora issue is one of my biggest current
concerns," he said. "Globalisation makes assimilation seem redundant
and old-fashioned . . . [the process] acts as a sort of reverse
colonisation, where groups of people are self-contained, going back and
forth between their countries, exploiting sophisticated networks and
using instant communication on phones and the internet."

Third World instability would lick at the edges of the West as pirates
attacked holidaymakers from fast boats. "At some time in the next 10
years it may not be safe to sail a yacht between Gibraltar and Malta,"
said the admiral.

Parry, 52, an Oxford graduate who was mentioned in dispatches in the
Falklands war, is not claiming all the threats will come to fruition.
He is warning, however, of what is likely to happen if dangers are not
addressed by politicians.

Parry - who used the slogan "old dog, new tricks" when he commanded the
assault ship HMS Fearless - foresees wholesale moves by the armed
forces to robots, drones, nanotechnology, lasers, microwave weapons,
space-based systems and even "customised" nuclear and neutron bombs.

Lord Boyce, the former chief of the defence staff, welcomed Parry's
analysis. "Bringing it together in this way shows we have some very
serious challenges ahead," he said. "The real problem is getting them
taken seriously at the top of the government."

Ancient Rome has been a subject of serious public discussion this year.
Boris Johnson, the Conservative MP and journalist, produced a book and
television series drawing parallels between the European Union and the
Roman empire. Terry Jones, the former Monty Python star, meanwhile, has
spoken up for the barbarians' technological and social achievements in
a television series and has written:

"We actually owe far more to the so-called 'barbarians' than we do to
the men in togas."

Parry, based in Shrivenham, Wiltshire, presented his vision at the
Royal United Services Institute in central London. He identified the
most dangerous flashpoints by overlaying maps showing the regions most
threatened by factors such as agricultural decline, booming youth
populations, water shortages, rising sea levels and radical Islam.

Parry predicts that as flood or starvation strikes, the most dangerous
zones will be Africa, particularly the northern half; most of the
Middle East and central Asia as far as northern China; a strip from
Nepal to Indonesia; and perhaps eastern China.

He pinpoints 2012 to 2018 as the time when the current global power
structure is likely to crumble. Rising nations such as China, India,
Brazil and Iran will challenge America's sole superpower status.

This will come as "irregular activity" such as terrorism, organised
crime and "white companies" of mercenaries burgeon in lawless areas.

The effects will be magnified as borders become more porous and some
areas sink beyond effective government control.

Parry expects the world population to grow to about 8.4 billion in
2035, compared with 6.4 billion today. By then some 68% of the
population will be urban, with some giant metropolises becoming
ungovernable. He warns that Mexico City could be an example.

In an effort to control population growth, some countries may be
tempted to copy China's "one child" policy. This, with the widespread
preference for male children, could lead to a ratio of boys to girls of
as much as 150 to 100 in some countries. This will produce dangerous
surpluses of young men with few economic prospects and no female

"When you combine the lower prospects for communal life with macho
youth and economic deprivation you tend to get trouble, typified by
gangs and organised criminal activity," said Parry. "When one thinks of
20,000 so-called jihadists currently fly-papered in Iraq, one shudders
to think where they might go next."

The competition for resources, Parry argues, may lead to a return to
"industrial warfare" as countries with large and growing male
populations mobilise armies, even including cavalry, while acquiring
high-technology weaponry from the West.

The subsequent mass population movements, Parry argues, could lead to
the "Rome scenario". The western Roman empire collapsed in the 4th and
5th centuries as groups such as Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Suevi, Huns and
Vandals surged over its borders. The process culminated in the sack of
Rome in 455 by Geiseric the Lame, king of the Alans and Vandals, in an
invasion from north Africa.

Parry estimated at the conference there were already more than 70
diasporas in Britain.

In the future, he believes, large groups that become established in
Britain and Europe after mass migration may develop "communities of
interest" with unstable or anti-western regions.

Any technological advantage developed to deal with the threats was
unlikely to last. "I don't think we can win in cyberspace - it's like
the weather - but we need to have a raincoat and an umbrella to deal
with the effects," said Parry.

Some of the consequences would be beyond human imagination to tackle.
The examples he gave, tongue-in-cheek, include: "No wind on land and
sea; third of population dies instantly; perpetual darkness; sores;
Euphrates dries up 'to clear way for kings from the east'; earth's core


Rear Admiral Chris Parry is the armed forces' chief "blue skies"

Parry, 52, was educated at the independent Portsmouth grammar school
and at Jesus College, Oxford. During the Falklands war in 1982, he was
mentioned in dispatches while serving with the Fleet Air Arm on the
destroyer HMS Antrim.

Parry is one of Britain's leading specialists on amphibious warfare. He
once commanded the assault ship HMS Fearless, was in charge of
amphibious warfare training at Portsmouth naval base and headed a joint
British-Dutch taskforce before moving to his post at the Ministry of

The admiral heads the development, concepts and doctrine centre, set up
in 1998 and based at Shrivenham, Wiltshire. It has more than 50 staff
and is being expanded to include extra analysts. =====================
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(2) Top-level Israeli military now at most important US-government
connected think tank

Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:48:33 -0700 From: Jeff Blankfort

What is interesting is that the author, Lt. Gen. (ret.) Moshe Yaalon
was chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces from 2002 to 2005 and
now " is a distinguished military fellow at the Washington Institute
for Near East Policy." The ignoring by the mainstream media of the
extent of the seamless integration of top-level Israeli military with
the most important US-government connected think tank is yet another
indication of how Israelized our seat of government has become.

To view this op-ed on our website, go to:

(3) UPI report on Mearsheimer/Walt paper

Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:32:28 -0700 (PDT) From: James Morris



Intl. Intelligence

WASHINGTON, March 20 (UPI) -- Two of America's top scholars have
published a searing attack on the role and power of Washington's
pro-Israel lobby in a British journal, warning that its "decisive" role
in fomenting the Iraq war is now being repeated with the threat of
action against Iran. And they say that the Lobby is so strong that they
doubt their article would be accepted in any U.S.-based publication.

Professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, author of "The
Tragedy of Great Power Politics" and Professor Stephen Walt of
Harvard's Kenney School, and author of "Taming American Power: The
Global Response to U.S. Primacy," are leading figures American in
academic life.

They claim that the Israel lobby has distorted American policy and
operates against American interests, that it has organized the
funneling of more than $140 billion dollars to Israel and "has a
stranglehold" on the U.S. Congress, and its ability to raise large
campaign funds gives its vast influence over Republican and Democratic
administrations, while its role in Washington think tanks on the Middle
East dominates the policy debate.

And they say that the Lobby works ruthlessly to suppress questioning of
its role, to blacken its critics and to crush serious debate about the
wisdom of supporting Israel in U.S. public life.

"Silencing skeptics by organizing blacklists and boycotts -- or by
suggesting that critics are anti-Semites -- violates the principle of
open debate on which democracy depends," Walt and Mearsheimer write.

"The inability of Congress to conduct a genuine debate on these
important issues paralyses the entire process of democratic
deliberation. Israel's backers should be free to make their case and to
challenge those who disagree with them, but efforts to stifle debate by
intimidation must be roundly condemned," they add, in the 12,800-word
article published in the latest issue of The London Review of Books.

The article focuses strongly on the role of the "neo-conservatives"
within the Bush administration in driving the decision to launch the
war on Iraq.

"The main driving force behind the war was a small band of
neo-conservatives, many with ties to the Likud," Mearsheimer and Walt
argue." Given the neo-conservatives' devotion to Israel, their
obsession with Iraq, and their influence in the Bush administration, it
isn't surprising that many Americans suspected that the war was
designed to further Israeli interests."

"The neo-conservatives had been determined to topple Saddam even before
Bush became president. They caused a stir early in 1998 by publishing
two open letters to Clinton, calling for Saddam's removal from power.
The signatories, many of whom had close ties to pro-Israel groups like
JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs) or WINEP
(Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy), and who included Elliot
Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Bernard Lewis,
Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, had little trouble
persuading the Clinton administration to adopt the general goal of
ousting Saddam. But they were unable to sell a war to achieve that
objective. They were no more able to generate enthusiasm for invading
Iraq in the early months of the Bush administration. They needed help
to achieve their aim. That help arrived with 9/11. Specifically, the
events of that day led Bush and Cheney to reverse course and become
strong proponents of a preventive war," Walt and Mearsheimer write.

The article, which is already stirring furious debate in U.S. academic
and intellectual circles, also explores the historical role of the
Lobby. "For the past several decades, and especially since the Six-Day
War in 1967, the centerpiece of US Middle Eastern policy has been its
relationship with Israel," the article says.

"The combination of unwavering support for Israel and the related
effort to spread 'democracy' throughout the region has inflamed Arab
and Islamic opinion and jeopardized not only U.S. security but that of
much of the rest of the world. This situation has no equal in American
political history. Why has the U.S. been willing to set aside its own
security and that of many of its allies in order to advance the
interests of another state?" Professors Walt and Mearsheimer add.

"The thrust of U.S. policy in the region derives almost entirely from
domestic politics, and especially the activities of the 'Israel Lobby'.
Other special-interest groups have managed to skew foreign policy, but
no lobby has managed to divert it as far from what the national
interest would suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that
U.S. interests and those of the other country - in this case, Israel --
are essentially identical," they add.

They argue that far from being a strategic asset to the United States,
Israel "is becoming a strategic burden" and "does not behave like a
loyal ally." They also suggest that Israel is also now "a liability in
the war on terror and the broader effort to deal with rogue states.

"Saying that Israel and the U.S. are united by a shared terrorist
threat has the causal relationship backwards: the US has a terrorism
problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel, not
the other way around," they add. "Support for Israel is not the only
source of anti-American terrorism, but it is an important one, and it
makes winning the war on terror more difficult. There is no question
that many al-Qaida leaders, including Osama bin Laden, are motivated by
Israel's presence in Jerusalem and the plight of the Palestinians.
Unconditional support for Israel makes it easier for extremists to
rally popular support and to attract recruits."

They question the argument that Israel deserves support as the only
democracy in the Middle East, claiming that "some aspects of Israeli
democracy are at odds with core American values. Unlike the US, where
people are supposed to enjoy equal rights irrespective of race,
religion or ethnicity, Israel was explicitly founded as a Jewish state
and citizenship is based on the principle of blood kinship. Given this,
it is not surprising that its 1.3 million Arabs are treated as
second-class citizens."

The most powerful force in the Lobby is AIPAC, the American-Israel
Public affairs Committee, which Walt and Mearsheimer call "a de facto
agent for a foreign government," and which they say has now forged an
important alliance with evangelical Christian groups.

The bulk of the article is a detailed analysis of the way they claim
the Lobby managed to change the Bush administration's policy from
"halting Israel's expansionist policies in the Occupied Territories and
advocating the creation of a Palestinian state" and divert it to the
war on Iraq instead. They write "Pressure from Israel and the Lobby was
not the only factor behind the decision to attack Iraq in March 2003,
but it was critical."

"Thanks to the lobby, the United States has become the de facto enabler
of Israeli expansion in the Occupied Territories, making it complicit
in the crimes perpetrated against the Palestinians," and conclude that
"Israel itself would probably be better off if the Lobby were less
powerful and U.S. policy more even-handed." ----

Mearsheimer replies to the irate "Israel Lobby" Letters - The Israel
- From John Mearsheimer & Stephen Walt.

We wrote 'The Israel Lobby' in order to begin a discussion of a subject
that had become difficult to address openly in the United States (LRB,
23 March). We knew it was likely to generate a strong reaction, and we
are not surprised that some of our critics have chosen to attack our
characters or misrepresent our arguments. .... Must Read !!! ==

MSNBC Anchor Dan Abrams Named Network's General Manager

(4) Japanese-Chinese economic cooperation - Eamonn Fingleton

Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:31:05 -0400 From: "David Chiang"

Found in translation

Canon's new electronic dictionary is both a product and a symbol of
Japanese-Chinese economic cooperation.

By Eamonn Fingleton, FORTUNE

June 13, 2006: 6:54 AM EDT

(FORTUNE Magazine) - If you want to take the temperature of Japan's
economic relations with China, forget recent heated exchanges over
Japan's World War II legacy.

Focus instead on something cool - really cool: the tiny Wordtank V90,
the latest entry in Japan's electronic-dictionary market.

Introduced in April by Canon (Research), the Japanese camera and copier
company, the V90 is to electronic dictionaries what the Ferrari is to

Smaller than a paperback book, it is the most advanced
Japanese-English-Chinese dictionary ever made. Its main selling point
is that it provides the Japanese - the more than 100,000 living in
China and the three million who travel there each year - with a
supersmart tool to talk turkey with the Chinese.

The V90 is such a hit that even at $350 it's flying off the shelves.
The device is both a product of the burgeoning Sino-Japanese economic
relationship (trade between the two countries has increased fivefold in
the past decade) and a metaphor for it.

You need only flip over the sleek device to get the point. There, next
to the model number, are the words MADE IN CHINA. Although Canon
doesn't officially say so, the V90 is made under contract at a
Taiwanese-owned plant in Dongguan, where 2,500 workers, most of them
women in their early 20s, assemble pocket calculators and electronic
dictionaries on a factory floor the length of three football fields.

The plant reportedly makes one-fifth of the world's pocket calculators,
which are marketed under a variety of Japanese brand names. Although
electronic dictionaries are a tiny part of Canon's business - an
estimated $70 million out of $32 billion last year - sales of advanced
models have been increasing by nearly 20% a year, says Teruo Nagahata,
who heads the Canon Hong Kong subsidiary that developed the V90.

Advanced features

The growth can largely be attributed to innovative features, such as
the ability to read handwritten input. A user can draw an unfamiliar
character with a stylus on a touch-sensitive screen, and the dictionary
will serve up the meaning. If it doesn't recognize the character, it
offers its 20 best guesses.

That's a lot faster and easier than leafing through a phone-book-sized
dictionary of thousands of Chinese characters.

The V90 can also pronounce words and display the correct sequence of
strokes for each character. China is the fourth place the
pocket-calculator industry has hung its hat since it was pioneered in
the U.S. in the 1960s.

It migrated to Japan in the 1970s, and the Japanese outsourced it to
Taiwan in the 1980s. With Japanese approval, the Taiwanese
subcontractors made the jump to mainland China in the late 1990s.

While the final assembly of the V90 is done by low-cost Chinese labor,
most of the serious value is created elsewhere, not least in Japan.

The most important component, the CPU, is manufactured in Japan by
Seiko Epson. Meanwhile the V90's SDRAM is made in South Korea, and its
flash memory and touch-sensitive screen are made in Taiwan.

As the Koreans and Taiwanese depend in turn on Japan for high-tech
materials and the factory in China is full of equipment made by
Matsushita (Research) and Fuji Machine (Research), the Japanese win at
all levels.

Sino-Japanese economic relations are a two-way street that comes as no
surprise to Shenzhen consultant George Zhibin Gu, author of China's
Global Reach. He points out that the Japanese in China, as elsewhere,
follow highly centralized policies.

Any time they can influence the choice of equipment or components in
Chinese manufacturing, they tend to favor those they know, which more
often than not means Japanese suppliers. The relationship is seen on
both sides as win-win.

Indeed, it is not that different from how imperial Japan's Greater East
Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere of the 1930s was supposed to work. Oddly,
"co-prosperity" is one word the V90 can't handle.

Eamonn Fingleton lives in Japan and is the author of In Praise of Hard
Industries: Why Manufacturing, Not the Information Economy, Is the Key
to Future Prosperity.

(5) 141,204-kilometer Asian Highway network to cost $44 billion

Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:30:25 -0400 From: "David Chiang"

Asian Highway network gathers speed

By Raja M

MUMBAI - More pieces of the ambitious 141,204-kilometer Asian Highway
network slotted into place this month as Vietnam completed its section
linking Vietnam, Laos, Thailand and Myanmar. Do Ngoc Dung, vice
director general of the My Thuan Project Management Unit (PMU),
announced completion of the work. The US$144.77 million construction
bill was partly financed by the Asian Development Bank.

The $44 billion Asian Highway network weaves through 32 countries,
connects Asia with Europe, and promises to boost regional economies by
facilitating trade and tourism through its linkage of Asian seaports,
airports and major tourist destinations. It also fleshes out dreams of
a Pan-Asian community with a common socio-political-economic identity
analogous to the European Union.

"There is a 12-20% [increase in the growth of gross domestic product
associated] with greater investment in highways in India," said A
Veeraragavan, a professor with the leading Indian Institute of
Technology (IIT) and one of the country's top experts in highway
engineering. "The GDP growth rate may vary from Asian country to
country, but the bottom line is [there are] more advantages with better
highways, from saving lives lost in traffic accidents to economic

The Asian Highway is becoming the latest element of a growing highway
economy worldwide, in which highways are increasingly operated as
for-profit assets.

"In the US, foreign investors are increasingly interested in taking
over the existing [3,200km of] toll roads," reports the UK-based World
Highways magazine in its June issue. Debate was aroused over
privatizing highways when the Spanish-Australian consortium Macquarie
Infrastructure-Cintra struck a $1.8 billion, 99-year leasing deal for
the Chicago Skyway, and then a $3.85 billion contract for the 252km
Indiana Toll Road.

Privatization is more common in Western European toll roads - examples
can be found in Italy, France and other countries - and Asia is not too
far away, with countries such as China and India working on
public-private partnerships to develop road infrastructure. According
to a US Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) study, project costs
average $675 million in Asia and the Far East compared with $690
million in Europe. India is expected to need $50 billion to $60 billion
of public and private investment over the next five years for road

Conceived in 1959, the Asian Highway took off with the United Nations
Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific (UNESCAP)
promoting it more ardently in the past two decades. A big breakthrough
came in April 2004 when 23 Asian countries signed the Asian Highway
agreement in the 60th session of UNESCAP at Shanghai.

The agreement, active since last July 4, finalized the route map across
Asia and established basic technical standards for roads and route
signs along the Highway, such as using the initials "AH" suffixed with
number codes for regions and sub-regions. So the single-digit route
numbers 1 to 9 are for Asian Highway routes that substantially cross
more than one sub-region. The route numbers 40-59 and 400-599 are for
South Asian countries, while the route numbers 10-29 and 100-299 are
reserved for Southeast Asia.

Tourism-driven economies such as that of Thailand are expected to
benefit hugely from this 21st-century Silk Route through Asia. A total
of 5,111km of the AH network runs through Thailand. China accounts for
25,579km of the planned route, while India - with the world's
second-longest road network (3.3 million kilometers) after the US - has
11,432km of its total 65,570km of highway designated part of the AH.

Controversial environmental issues in highway development are being
balanced with economic benefits. Growing economies need better road
connectivity, with highway bottlenecks even in a developed economy such
as the US costing that country $7.8 billion annually.

An FHWA research study showed the difference opening a single bridge
make: "In the two-year period during which the a new bridge [in Laredo,
Texas] was opened for traffic, over 4,000 new jobs were added to an
area with above the national average in employment," said the study.
"The job gains were enough to send the Laredo employment rate up at the
same time the employment rate was declining in Texas and the US as a

Despite occasional political speed bumps (such as Bangladesh opting out
of the Asian Highway, because of fears of giving India connectivity
through its territory), the AH has a 2010 deadline. Though the project
has yet to be promoted substantially among the Asian public, project
officials say international traffic has, in fact, increased along the
AH routes.

The highway has pushed regional governments to invest in
infrastructure, such as in April 2002 when India, Myanmar and Thailand
agreed to develop a linking road network. In 2005, the National
Highways Authority of India launched the $12.54 billion Phase 3 of the
National Highways Development Project, which aims to upgrade 10,000km
of the country's busiest highways to four-lane status.

The Asian Highway is also sustaining focus on more critical issues.
Last month, UNESCAP called a meeting in Bangkok on financing highway
infrastructure and improving road safety. According to the UN body, by
2020 about two-thirds of the world's road-accident deaths (or 610,000
per annum) might be in the Asia-Pacific region. This implies 440,000
deaths and more than 2 million injuries incurred in road accidents in
the region, registering economic costs of 1-3% of the GDP of UNESCAP
countries, in addition to the pain and suffering of the individuals

"Over 100,000 people die of road accidents in India [annually],"
Veeraragavan said, adding that more than 3,000 "die daily in road
accidents worldwide". He dismisses ecological concerns over developing
highways, saying trees can be planted in other places than by
roadsides, "which only cause more accidents. In Emperor Ashoka's time
people had to walk to travel across the country and so shade-giving
trees by roads [were] useful. Now even tribals use transport." (Ashoka
the Great was emperor of the Maurya Empire, which extended over most of
South Asia from 273-232 BC.)

A total of $26 billion has already been invested in the Asian Highway
and $18 billion more is needed, says UNESCAP. Eighty-three percent of
the network is considered ready, but more issues need to be addressed,
such as traffic-friendly customs procedures across borders, and the
degree of freedom that foreign vehicles driving through Asia have to
move about within individual countries.

Part of the transportation "triad" launched by the Asian Land Transport
Infrastructure Development project - along with the Trans-Asian Railway
and various forms of land-transport facilitation, such as intermodal
hubs - the young Asian Highway system has the potential to have a
socio-economic significance in this century that equals or surpasses
what the historic Silk Route had in ancient times.

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Posted by: "Judy Cunningham" drjudyforjustice

Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:35 pm (PST)

I have made copies of the videos of the Nuremberg Trial, and will give copies of the videos to any of our 9/11 group or other patriotic protestor who wants one. The Nuremberg Trials are signiticant, as it shows what laws and evidence worked, and what we should be looking for right now. They, also, show the build-up the fascist system, and we can see the similarities between our system, today. --Not only similar, but quite possibly the same.
Some significant scenes in the 2000 movie, Nuremberg, starring Alec Baldwin, are that it begins with Herman Guering turning himself into the Nuremberg Trials, and later his wife tells that the Nazi, SS had ordered the death of their family. A fact that we could determine from that is that Guring was NOT running the Nazi party or SS, --someone else was!! --probaby the defense contractors, Prescott Bush, etc.
Another significant scene shows Gureing testifying under oath that he came up with the idea for the concentration camps from the way negroes were treated in the Southern United States. (Who taught him that??? Prescott Bush, the defense contractor???)
Another significant scene in the movie, Judgment at Nuremberg, the defense was based on the fact that the American Industrialists profited from the war, and in the beginning of the movie, they state that the industrials, defense contractors and bankers, were not to be tried, and were determined to be innocent, without a trial or charges or inquest. In Nuremberg, one banker is tried, but found innocent.
Also, at the ends, ony 6 top Nazi's are hung, 3 are found innocent, although the rest are sentenced to life in prison or less, none served more than 14 years, and none of the Judges served more than 2 years, although it was the judges who signed the death warrnants, and arrest warrants for the jews, upon Hitler's decree of their "possible danger to state." 99 other Nazi's are tried, and either served less than 14 years, were found innocent.
I would like to show these two films at our Sunday evemomg film series.

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Lou Dobbs will unveil more results from his comprehensive poll all this week on "Lou Dobbs Tonight," 6 p.m. ET.

Dobbs: President and Senate allied with 'corporate supremacists'
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Tuesday, June 13, 2006; Posted: 9:44 p.m. EDT (01:44 GMT)

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Lou Dobbs says if Bush and the Senate win on immigration, it will be a victory for "corporate supremacists."

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NEW YORK (CNN) -- The U.S. Senate and House of Representatives are set to take action on legislation that could determine the financial and social fate of nearly every American for the next 20 years.

The Senate and House are scheduled to go into conference later this month to reconcile the significant differences between each chamber's so-called comprehensive immigration reform legislation. If President Bush, the Republican leadership of the Senate and Senate Democrats have their way, 11 million to 20 million illegal aliens will receive amnesty, and at least 60 million new immigrants will be allowed into the country over the next two decades.

In addition, the long-term fiscal impact of the Senate legislation will be around $50 billion per year in administrative, social and healthcare costs, according to Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation. The Congressional Budget Office has just released its own analysis of the legislation, and it concludes that nothing in the Senate bill will end the overwhelming torrent of illegal immigration.

It is far too early to tell whether the House of Representatives has the political will and courage to stand against the upper chamber of Congress and President Bush. If the House fails in its duty to represent the will of American citizens, our nation will be forever changed.

"The will of the people," Thomas Jefferson said, "is the only legitimate foundation of any government." But if President Bush and the Senate prevail, it will be a clear victory for corporate supremacists, advocacy groups and dominant special interests and a historical defeat for our middle-class working men and women and their families.

Our largest and least represented group of citizens in Washington cannot even be assured that our elected representatives in both the House and the Senate will pursue the national interest and secure our borders and ports. And that is a travesty. What is the will of the people? Ask any member of Congress who has returned from his or her district and there is no doubt their constituents demand border security and an end to illegal immigration.

In the last week, the Lou Dobbs Tonight broadcast commissioned a poll to gauge the will of the people on the issues of illegal immigration and border security. As far as I know, it is the most comprehensive national poll that has been conducted in decades on these issues. Polling company Opinion Research Corporation interviewed 1,031 adult Americans representing every region of the country and all walks of life.

Our exclusive poll was constructed with no other motive than to ascertain how Americans are thinking about every aspect of our illegal immigration and border security crises. The margin of error for the poll is plus or minus 3 percentage points; it is 4.5 percentage points for the half-sample questions.

The first conclusion is not particularly surprising. There isn't great optimism that there will even be a so-called comprehensive reform legislation at all:

How confident are you that Congress and President Bush will pass new laws on immigration and border security that will improve the way the country handles this issue?
Very confident 11%
Fairly confident 24%
Not very confident 29%
Not confident at all 33%
No opinion 3%
As to the issue of border security and employer sanctions, a strong majority of Americans favor imposing heavy fines on employers who hire illegal aliens. And they want more Border Patrol, federal law enforcement officers and National Guard troops along our southern border with Mexico:

Would you favor or oppose each of the following proposals:

A. Building a fence along the 2,000-mile border with Mexico
Favor 45%
Oppose 50%
No opinion 5%
B. Imposing fines of tens of thousands of dollars on employers who hire illegal immigrants
Favor 60%
Oppose 36%
No opinion 4%
C. Sending employers who hire illegal immigrants to jail
Favor 40%
Oppose 55%
No opinion 5%
D. Putting more Border Patrol and federal law enforcement agents on the U.S. border with Mexico
Favor 78%
Oppose 19%
No opinion 3%
E. Sending National Guard troops to the U.S. border with Mexico
Favor 56%
Oppose 40%
No opinion 4%
While 50 percent of those surveyed oppose building a fence along our southern border with Mexico, 45 percent agree, which is just within the margin of error.

While President Bush and a number of members of both the Republican and Democratic leadership maintain that the federal government should not be deporting any illegal aliens back to their home countries, almost seven in 10 Americans believe we should:

Do you approve or disapprove of the U.S. government deporting illegal immigrants to the country they came from? (ASKED OF HALF SAMPLE)
Approve 67%
Disapprove 25%
No opinion 8%
An overwhelming majority of Americans want illegal immigration decreased, with more than one-third of those surveyed favoring the removal of all illegal aliens from this country:

Would you like to see the number of illegal immigrants currently in this country increased, decreased, or remain the same? (ASKED OF HALF SAMPLE)
Increased 2%
Remain the same 26%
Decreased 67%
No opinion 6%
Americans also acknowledge that the United States government is only partly to blame for our illegal immigration and border security crisis. Three-fifths of those surveyed thinks the Mexican government encourages the immigration of its citizens to this country; only 18 percent said it discourages its citizens. And 83 percent says Mexico has "not done enough" to help stop illegal drugs from coming here. I obviously agree, considering by far the largest amounts of cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine and marijuana enter the United States from Mexico.

Do you think the government of Mexico encourages or discourages illegal immigration of its citizens into the United States?
Encourages 59%
Discourages 18%
No opinion 24%
Do you think the government of Mexico is very responsible, somewhat responsible, not very responsible, or not responsible at all for the amount of illegal drugs currently coming into the United States? (ASKED OF HALF SAMPLE)
Very responsible 32%
Somewhat responsible 36%
Not very responsible 14%
Not responsible at all 13%
No opinion 5%
The will of the American people is clear: Secure our borders and ports. Then end illegal immigration. America is now at a historical crossroads, and we're about to learn whether the first three words of our Constitution matter at all to this government.

Daughter Of GOP Candidate Running For Frist's Seat In Lezbo Pics

Posted by: "Bugs" brawny1946

Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:19 pm (PST)

From: Perry Nelson
] Daughter Of GOP Candidate Running For Frist's Seat In Lezbo Pics

"Lezbo Pics?"

How utterly execrable.

Stevo <> wrote:
More Facebook Fun: Bob Corker's Daughter Experiments With Mary Cheneyism
Bob Corker is running for Bill Frist's Senate seat, and he's already demonstrating that he can be just as great a politician as the Senator Daktari himself. You see, Senator Frist hasn't been particularly happy with, well, us for (along with others) publicizing the wacky (but harmless!) exploits of his strapping young sons. Not very happy at all. We even suspect he might be partly responsible for this.
So, after seeing all that, you'd think Mr. Corker might have let his lovely daughter know that she probably shouldn't let pictures of her making out with chicks and dancing at underwear parties show up on a publicly accessible social networking website. Thankfully for all of you, they never had that talk.
Mr. Corker's daughter is on the left. Another hard-partyin' pic, after the jump.
That's Julia in the background. If you're even looking at the background, you sicko.
Bob Corker for Senate
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Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:47 pm (PST)


"The Randi Roads Show"

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6/14/06 "The Randi Roads Show" ...Bush's Trips to Iraq. 1 of 2

6/14/06 "The Randi Roads Show" ...Bush's Trips to Iraq. 2 of 2
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Bush dumped a pile of BS
in the Rose Garden this morning.� His � ah � opening
� err- line � ah � said it all...
�I�ve just returned from Baghdad and I was inspired to
visit the capital of a free and democratic Iraq.�� Huh?

Randi has a pile of clips�let the debunking begin!

Meanwhile, dozens die
<> throughout Iraq yesterday.� Some REAL numbers on the human
toll to-date courtesy of John McLaughlin:

�Okay, the human toll: U.S. military dead in Iraq, including
suicides, 2,488; U.S. military amputeed, wounded,
�injured, mentally ill, all now out of Iraq, 58,950; Iraqi
civilians dead, 126,990.�
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All for a war of choice�culture of life.

The Marines are investigating
<> a
homemade music video about killing Iraqi civilians.� This is
what happens when
troops are over-deployed, under-equipped and the tone set by the
civilians in charge one of chaos, hate, and zero
accountability.� Sad, tragic, criminal�

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On the global opinion front, the people of the world have united
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The war in Iraq is far worse than any threat Iran poses and, oh
yeah, Bush sucks.

And 27-year CIA analyst Larry Johnson has a theory about how Karl
Rove wormed his way out of an indictment:
He gave up Cheney <> .

These stories and much more on today�s Randi Rhodes Show.

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