Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911TruthAction] Digest Number 1292

Wednesday, May 17, 2006

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1292

are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Video: 9/11 Pentagon crash video
From: "S Miles Lewis" yahoolists@elfis.net
2. Re: Pentagon Strike Video on DOD site
From: "S Miles Lewis" yahoolists@elfis.net
3. check your lawmakers voting record
From: "Bugs" brawny@twlakes.net
4. vote
From: "Bugs" brawny@twlakes.net
5. Fw: Newly Released Flight 77 Videos
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
6. May 16-06 pentagon videotape -- frame rate has been tampered with
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
7. Re: [A-C] DoD 9-11 videotape
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
8. JudicialWatch-Pentagon FIA download -- a great way to identify those
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
9. Re: May 16-06 pentagon videotape -- frame rate has been tampered wi
From: "Cait" ansith@gmail.com
10. Fw: Newly Released Flight 77 Videos
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
11. Re: [A-C] DoD 9-11 videotape
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
12. Fw: You've Been Conned (Re: 'Flight 77' Video)
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
13. The Cost of Living
From: "janet phelan" jcphelan10@yahoo.com
14. Re: Freedom of the Press Under Attack: Government Begins Tracking Ph
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
15. Warning...One long rant.RE: [Bush_Be_Gone] Pentagon Video Is Giant P
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
16. Fw: [911_free_discussion] Who has seen this new DoD 9-11 videotape?
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
17. Secret Gov't Source Tells ABC News: "Get New Cellphones" + + + +
From: "ranger116@webtv.net" ranger116@webtv.net
18. POLL-AMERICANS ACCEPT WIRETAP
From: "jlennon427" jlennon427@yahoo.com
19. Fw: The world according to Ch�vez
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
20. Re: POLL-AMERICANS ACCEPT WIRETAP
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
21. 9-11 Pentagon Footage - COAT TO COAST AM
From: "APFN" apfn@apfn.org
22. Pentagon video is crap
From: "kattmanduu" kattmann@valornet.com
23. Re: Pentagon Strike Video on DOD site
From: "kattmanduu" kattmann@valornet.com
24. New Pentagon video shows no Boeing airliner
From: "Total Information" totalinfo@gmail.com
25. Re: Signs of tyranny looming
From: "John Perna" savefreedom2005@yahoo.com

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Message 1
From: "S Miles Lewis" yahoolists@elfis.net
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 2:48pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Video: 9/11 Pentagon crash video

This is my fifth attempt to post my viewing of the footage on CNN's
website ...

Interesting tidbits:

- CNN is showing a 3:03 minute clip accessible by going to the main
page and clicking on
"New video showing the Flight 77 crash"
- this appears to my untrained eyes to be identical (but extended)
footage to the 2002 five frames.
- at about the 35 second mark a hand/arm (female figure?) moves into
and then out of the right side of the frame.
- a little past the one minute mark a vehicle appears to be
travelling along the base of the pentagon away from the camer/towards
the impact/explosion site. As it passes behind the left most red
pylon a "pole" in the background "extends" updwards and the vehicle
exits the shadows and proceeds across the frame / across the
unscathed PentaLawn 2000.
- at the 1:25 mark a man in a white shirt moves into frame on the
left hand side and then exits from that same side.

Then at the 1:45 mark or so another angle starts up that is the
greenish / blueish tinted frames that are featured on the
PrisonPlanet pages. Something slim and fuselage-like pokes into the
right side of the frame as if diving into the lawn, then we get the
explosion on the side of the pentagon.

- at the 2:50 mark we see the vehicle I mentioned in the first clip
come into view, within the shadows of the pentagon, but just as we
might get a glimpse of this presumed security vehicle, the footage
fades to black.

miles

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Message 2
From: "S Miles Lewis" yahoolists@elfis.net
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 2:51pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Pentagon Strike Video on DOD site

Videos of American Flight 77 striking the Pentagon on September 11,
2001
Video 1 (WMV)
<mms://wm.world.mii-streaming.net/media/defense/flight77/fl77-
1_11094135.WMV>
<http://tinyurl.com/e5o3o>

Video 2 (WMV)
<mms://wm.world.mii-streaming.net/media/defense/flight77/fl77-
2_11094237.WMV>
<http://tinyurl.com/fytwp>

<http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html#911video>

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Message 3
From: "Bugs" brawny@twlakes.net
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 3:36pm(PDT)
Subject: check your lawmakers voting record

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Message 4
From: "Bugs" brawny@twlakes.net
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 3:48pm(PDT)
Subject: vote

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Message 5
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 5:24pm(PDT)
Subject: Fw: Newly Released Flight 77 Videos

From: "Peter Wakefield Sault" <sault@cyberware.co.uk>
To: <media@judicialwatch.org>; <info@judicialwatch.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: Newly Released Flight 77 Videos

> Hi
>
> Please can you tell me the original frame rate of the video material. The
> Flash videos which you display have obviously been slowed down, presumably
> by yourselves, since for the DOD to supply you with slowed down videos would
> be to supply you with false information. Without knowing the frame rate of
> the original video it is impossible to judge the true speeds of moving
> objects, such as the patrol car that we see shortly before the impact.
>
> Kindest Regards
> Peter Wakefield Sault
>

Here are the DoD's own postings:

Videos of American Flight 77 striking the Pentagon on September 11, 2001
Video 1 (WMV)
Video 2 (WMV)

I haven't been able to download these for a variety of reasons at my end.

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Message 6
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 5:30pm(PDT)
Subject: May 16-06 pentagon videotape -- frame rate has been tampered with

does it have a tail fin? (I can't download because of problems at my end.)

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Wakefield Sault
To: Dick Eastman
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Who has seen this new DoD 9-11 videotape? Someone describe it put it up somewhere.

Hi Dick

Ok I installed Flash and as far as I can tell it's a CRUISE MISSILE, a large one. The frame rate of the videos has been fucked with. If it had been a plane travelling at, say, 500mph then at a recording rate of 25 frames per second, there should be ONE FRAME FOR EVERY 10 YARDS OF MOTION OF THE PLANE. How many frames of UFO do we see? JUST ONE, for the whole period, meaning that the object was flying at a speed that is simply impossible for a 757.

All the best
Peter

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Message 7
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 5:48pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: [A-C] DoD 9-11 videotape

Four jetliners were involved, not three. There was a jetliner at the Pentagon which, according to evidence released so far, flew over the Pentagon and blended in with Reagan National Airport traffic only a mile beyond the crash. The crash of what? Of the jet fighter or missile which conducted the actual attack.

Unless the Pentagon can release videotape that shows otherwise. (So far they have not supported their official story.)

BTW, here is the evidence-based story that the Pentagon is hoping to refute:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
----- Original Message -----
From: Aeisha Muhammad
To: aeisha_786@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: [A-C] DoD 9-11 videotape

Ok. I may be missing something but let's see if I've got this 9/11 thing straight.

1. Three planes were used to carry out the attacks

2. Two of those planes hit the WTC

3. The third plane was on route to its target in DC but crashed before getting to the target.

4. So which of the three planes hit the Pentagon?

ANSWER: If I am correct in all of the above then RUMSFELD IS GETTING CONFUSED WITH HIS OWN LIES AND COUNTING ON STUPID AMERICANS TO BELIEVE HIS LIES. NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON. IT WAS WIRED BY THE ILLUMINATI ZIONIST NAZIS AND BLOWN AWAY BY EITHER PRE-POSITIONED EXPLOSIVES OR A CRUISE MISSILE.

Call me mistaken but it is impossible that the third plane- which was downed before reaching its intended target- could both crash miles away from the Pentagon and have also crashed into that satanic building at the same time.

That being the case the doctored psy-op video released by Mr. Rumsfeld today is a big LIE. A hollywood produced video for the dummies in America to consume piecemeal.

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Message 8
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 6:24pm(PDT)
Subject: JudicialWatch-Pentagon FIA download -- a great way to identify those

What better way to identify those who appreciate the value of the Pentagon evidence -- by offering more evidence and determining who comes after it.

So far they seem to have given far less than they have gotten from us.

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Message 9
From: "Cait" ansith@gmail.com
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 7:10pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: May 16-06 pentagon videotape -- frame rate has been tampered wi

No tail fin is visible at all. What you see is this - in the first frame
that the "object' appears in, you see what looks to be either a cruise
missile or a very small nose of an aircraft, but for it to be that small it
would either have to be much much farther away or a very small aircraft. You
can't even tell definitively that it IS an aircraft, its just an object that
is rather cigar shaped. You see it appear in one frame, then the next frame
is the explosion. There are no frames in between its appearance and impact,
so there is really no decent information to be gleaned from this.

-------Original Message-------

From: Dick Eastman
Date: 05/16/06 19:30:30
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:,
Subject: [911TruthAction] May 16-06 pentagon videotape -- frame rate has
been tampered with

does it have a tail fin? (I can't download because of problems at my end.)

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Wakefield Sault
To: Dick Eastman
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Who has seen this new DoD 9-11 videotape? Someone describe it
put it up somewhere.

Hi Dick

Ok I installed Flash and as far as I can tell it's a CRUISE MISSILE, a large
one. The frame rate of the videos has been fucked with. If it had been a
plane travelling at, say, 500mph then at a recording rate of 25 frames per
second, there should be ONE FRAME FOR EVERY 10 YARDS OF MOTION OF THE PLANE.
How many frames of UFO do we see? JUST ONE, for the whole period, meaning
that the object was flying at a speed that is simply impossible for a 757.

All the best
Peter

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Message 10
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 9:01pm(PDT)
Subject: Fw: Newly Released Flight 77 Videos

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Wakefield Sault
To: Dick Eastman
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Newly Released Flight 77 Videos

Hi Dick

I've just completed downloads of both files. The WMV quality is only marginally better than the Flash videos. The WMV runs at 30 frames per second, but each 'frame' of security video data is repeated, identically, across 16 frames of WMV. Therefore they are claiming that the original video recording rate was 1.875 frames per second. Does that strike you as realistic?

They have also digitized the original video material at 320 x 240 pixels. I'm absolutely sure they could do better than that. That must be what introduces the coarse graininess into the images.

We still don't know what was physically handed over to Judicial Watch.

......

Regards
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Eastman
To: Peter Wakefield Sault
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:19 AM
Subject: Fw: Newly Released Flight 77 Videos

From: "Peter Wakefield Sault" <sault@cyberware.co.uk>
To: <media@judicialwatch.org>; <info@judicialwatch.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: Newly Released Flight 77 Videos

Here are the DoD's own postings:

Videos of American Flight 77 striking the Pentagon on September 11, 2001
Video 1 (WMV)
Video 2 (WMV)

I haven't been able to download these for a variety of reasons at my end.

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Message 11
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 9:05pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: [A-C] DoD 9-11 videotape

The colonel in charge of the Norad defense station responsible for Wash DC
and NYC stated that there were FIVE planes confirmed as having changed
course from the west coast and were headed back to the Washington DC NYC
vicinity, that he got that report 40 minutes before the first plane hit the
WTC.

-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:44 PM
To: anti-capitalism@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: [A-C] DoD 9-11 videotape

Four jetliners were involved, not three. There was a jetliner at the
Pentagon which, according to evidence released so far, flew over the
Pentagon and blended in with Reagan National Airport traffic only a mile
beyond the crash. The crash of what? Of the jet fighter or missile which
conducted the actual attack.

Unless the Pentagon can release videotape that shows otherwise. (So far they
have not supported their official story.)

BTW, here is the evidence-based story that the Pentagon is hoping to refute:

1 <http://bedoper.com/eastman> , 2
<http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm> , 3
<http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm> , 4
<http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm> , 5
<http://www.bedoper.com/eastman/small_plane/index.html> , 6
<http://judicial-inc.biz/Dov_zakheim.htm> , 7
<http://www.bedoper.com/eastman/witnesses/index.html>
----- Original Message -----
From: Aeisha Muhammad <mailto:aeisha_786@yahoo.com>
To: aeisha_786@yahoo.com <mailto:aeisha_786@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: [A-C] DoD 9-11 videotape

Ok. I may be missing something but let's see if I've got this 9/11 thing
straight.

1. Three planes were used to carry out the attacks

2. Two of those planes hit the WTC

3. The third plane was on route to its target in DC but crashed before
getting to the target.

4. So which of the three planes hit the Pentagon?

ANSWER: If I am correct in all of the above then RUMSFELD IS GETTING
CONFUSED WITH HIS OWN LIES AND COUNTING ON STUPID AMERICANS TO BELIEVE HIS
LIES. NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON. IT WAS WIRED BY THE ILLUMINATI ZIONIST
NAZIS AND BLOWN AWAY BY EITHER PRE-POSITIONED EXPLOSIVES OR A CRUISE
MISSILE.

Call me mistaken but it is impossible that the third plane- which was downed
before reaching its intended target- could both crash miles away from the
Pentagon and have also crashed into that satanic building at the same time.

That being the case the doctored psy-op video released by Mr. Rumsfeld today
is a big LIE. A hollywood produced video for the dummies in America to
consume piecemeal.
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Message 12
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 9:05pm(PDT)
Subject: Fw: You've Been Conned (Re: 'Flight 77' Video)

From: Peter Wakefield Sault
To: media@judicialwatch.org ; info@judicialwatch.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 6:44 PM
Subject: You've Been Conned (Re: 'Flight 77' Video)

It would seem that you have not actually been given the information you requested. What you appear to have been given is an extremely coarse digitization of the original material (to 320 x 240 pixels) which prevents proper identification of the object. Even if the original material is itself coarse, in fact especially if the original material is coarse, the digitization should be at a much higher resolution. You also need to ascertain the original frame rate. The Pentagon seems to be claiming that its security videos are recorded at 1.875 frames per second, whereas the Pentagon's own released WMVs run at 30 frames per second, i.e. each original digitization is repeated, identically, 16 times.

Several questions arise:-

1. What was the format of the original material?

2. What was the frame rate of the original material?

3. If the original material was a VHS cassette then that is what should have been given to you. Was it?

If the Pentagon says it can only give you digitizations then it is guilty of effectively destroying forensic evidence for the reasons given above. It has 'fogged' the material and that must be assumed to be a deliberate act to prevent anyone from identifying the object. In which case it becomes fair to assume that the object is not a Boeing 757.

Kind Regards
Peter Wakefield Sault

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Message 13
From: "janet phelan" jcphelan10@yahoo.com
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 9:29pm(PDT)
Subject: The Cost of Living

Overheard in a cafe in Santa Monica, California:

Woman (American): "Aren't we lucky to live in a free country?"

Man (East Asian): "America is not free! It is very expensive to live in America. It will cost you all your integrity, and any chance of lving a moral life...."

Rock on in the free world,

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Message 14
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 9:46pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Freedom of the Press Under Attack: Government Begins Tracking Ph

why is dis-infonow hyping the police state propaganda when they are controlled by the same foundation/think tanks of the NWO?

In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
- Notebook, 1904

http://www.fightthenwo.org/

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Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:45:06 PM
Subject: [911TruthAction] Freedom of the Press Under Attack: Government Begins Tracking Phone Calls of Journalists

( advokris@aol.com )
sent you this story from democracynow.org

Police State is Here.

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| Freedom of the Press Under Attack: Government Begins Tracking Phone Calls of Journalists
| http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/16/145201
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ABC News reported on Monday that a senior federal law enforcement had revealed that the government is now tracking phone calls made by journalists from the New York Times, Washington Post and ABC News. We speak with Brian Ross, chief investigative reporter at ABC News. [includes rush transcript]
This story continues at:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/16/145201

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Message 15
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 9:57pm(PDT)
Subject: Warning...One long rant.RE: [Bush_Be_Gone] Pentagon Video Is Giant P

I hadn�t started this as an article going though several different subjects,
all of which are basically symptoms of the actual problems we are facing
today, but that is what I ended up with.

This may not be a well done post, but I hope you will read it through it and
put your pieces of the puzzle into their place too.

I have wondered since 9/11 why Bush was made a hero for the largest failure
of protection to US citizens on US soil in history, since this happened
during Pearl Harbor. Why didn�t we drag our failures of politicians out, our
Military, while we sat defenseless for 2 and � hours, in the most heavily
defended population center on the planet?

I have wondered why the people of this nation haven�t demanded the removal
of this president, whose ratings rarely are over 50% and have been so low
that 30% or less of the population surveyed believe he is telling the truth,
on most any subject.

Why are �We the People� where we are? WE are, after all, the US Government,
the in Washington are suppose to be representing us and if polls show that
we feel they are not doing their job in such great numbers, why are we
leaving them there to do as they wish?

Why are we complacent in such large numbers that nothing effective is being
done by us, or on our behalf?

All of these things have plagued me more and more and suddenly, this article
just poured out. I few more dots became connected.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Bush_Be_Gone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bush_Be_Gone@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Scott Peden
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:46 PM
To: Bush_Be_Gone@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Warning...One long rant.RE: [Bush_Be_Gone] Pentagon Video Is Giant
Psy-Op

Besides, How Goddamned Long does it take the Pentagon Hollywood Division to
insert a good plane into a video surveillance camera tape anyway?

I�ve been wondering this since mid Sept 2001, and since they will always own
the original�.. no one can check it for a photo shop job.

Do you realize how much botched cover up there is and how little the out cry
still is? It is like this is taken for granted.

Trust me, I can walk into any public place in Central Coastal California and
ask anyone if they think the Government told the truth about 9/11 and it is
a rare day in hell when someone says yes.

When I ask about the towers coming down, do they think that Tower 7 came
down as a result of the other 2 being hit by planes, no one who is willing
to answer (some get mad and run away). After they answer that, I ask what
they think about the other two towers and if they don�t want to answer that,
I ask, do you feel that this is the only circumstance in the world of a
steel building collapsing because of a fire? And they will say no.

YET� we aren�t in the streets demanding an investigation that isn�t picked
by Bush, we aren�t in the streets demanding arrests, why?

Cause most of those people didn�t have a loved one in that building. And the
next 9/11 will be the same, unless enough people feel that it endangered
them personally.

Our leaders, our so called Elected Representatives, like Diane Feinstein (D
Ca.) is the head of the intelligence committee and just mouths off the Bush
Neo Con lines and GOT ELECTED AGAIN! IN CALIFORNIA where I can find most
people don�t trust the Patriot Act, illegal spying, know that 9/11 is
responsible to the illegal war in Iraq?

WE are brain washed, but worse, we are ingesting food stuffs that make us
not want to think, or if we think, not take action. White processed sugar,
the experiments where completed by the time I was draftable in 1972. Then
they found out that the previously list poison Aspartame, aka nutra sweet
works even better to make people not interested, and what is best about
these items (other than the government used tax payer money to fund the soft
drink business to add a prescribed amount of sugar, corn syrup or Aspartame
into each drink.

WE the people of America are drugged and that is why there are so few of us
that speak out much less actually do something.

A bunch of addicted druggies, knowing that it is the job of someone in
Congress or the senate, or even the criminal President to �just do the right
thing� and when no one does? Hell, go to 7-11 and pick up a six pack. Hitler
used Fluoride in the public water system to accomplish the same thing, you
betcha our government fights anyone that doesn�t want it in their water
system too, BTW, it is also listed as a poison, to toxic to dispose in the
ground for fear of contamination of the water supply� just like the Depleted
Uranium (still good for something like 125,000 years) is to toxic to store
most places, so we disperse it though out the world every time a soldier of
ours presses the trigger. Think about that the next time your government
tells you it is safe and then wonder, why in Bosnia and both Iraq wars are
such a high percentage of our returning troops have mysterious maladies, not
just maladies, they come home and die� and not be a burden on the Veterans
Administration which has already been cut to the bone by the same Chicken
Hawks sending our families to war to die there, and when they return too.

Welcome to Big Brothers Oceania, we are it. In this case, some of us aren�t
happy with the American �Dream� that we are told is so great, as we can see
the man behind the curtain, but few of us probably know all the tings that
in the name of the Multi National Mega Corporations are being done in our
name to ensure corporate control of the world through economic means.

Well, by now you might think I am a nut. If you can stay off the White
Processed sugar, the bleach treated flower (bleach is also a poison, want
another glass of it? Chlorine is also added to your water) stay off the corn
syrup and the Aspartame, just look for natural sweeteners, but betcha you
have to have some sort of sweetener by now and didn�t even know you were
addicted. Few do until they try to quit or take a 1 month long break from
all of them.

So, after you stop taking those things, re read what you know about 9/11.
re read the headlines about the government form the previous month and see
if you don�t shock yourself with lot more questions than you ever though
about before.

I�ll be damned if they aren�t taking way our freedom of thought too.

9/11 was an inside job, to make a few Multi national Mega Corporations rich
and these corporations are competing amongst themselves to see who will
control the most of the world.

This isn�t any business as you might have in your neighborhood, if it is
located and owned there, the owners live there, follow the trials and you
get conglomerates and Multi National corporations, tax shelters off shore
Only enough of an office in the USA to buy political clout to have your
company represented by the US military while abroad, yeah, our sons and
daughters, brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers are dying for some
corporations bottom line.

Go ahead, re read this 1 month after you are off all artificial processed
sweeteners. Drink at least 4-5 glasses of pure water and not tap water,
unless you have a filter that removes everything as not all bottled waters
are free of chemicals too, I just had a crystal geyser, about made me puke,
though Kirkland water doesn�t have a taste (hint, water is tasteless).

We have allowed all of this in America to happen because our attention span
has been reduced to the length of a commercial��

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Bush_Be_Gone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bush_Be_Gone@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of shane_digital
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:03 PM
To: Bush_Be_Gone@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bush_Be_Gone] Pentagon Video Is Giant Psy-Op

Pentagon Video Is Giant Psy-Op
Intended to create circus of interest around 'no plane' theories,
later debunk them

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | May 16 2006

Grainy video stills showing what is claimed to be the nose cone of
Flight 77 will only result in an increased circus of debate around the
issue of what happened at the Pentagon in preparation for a future
release of clear video footage that 'debunks' people who question the
official version of 9/11.

For over four years we have remained neutral on the subject, agreeing
that unanswered questions need to be explored but warning against the
Pentagon issue becoming the core focus of the 9/11 truth movement.

The danger is clearly that the government will use its media
mouthpieces in particular Fox News to hype this until it becomes the
de facto keystone of alternative explanations behind 9/11.

At the point when that crescendo reaches its peak crystal clear
footage of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon will be released, knocking
down the straw man argument that the establishment itself erected.

The government is steam valving this issue so as to garner as much
interest as possible before blowing the entire matter out of the
water. We know for a fact that the FBI seized the gas station camera
footage and footage from hotels across the highway which would show
the entire sequence of events and prove exactly what happened at the
Pentagon.

The fact that they have again chosen to release grainy and foggy
images which only lead to more speculation tell us two things.

1) The government truly is frightened to death of releasing any images
which accurately depict what happened at the Pentagon because it
doesn't jive with the official version of 9/11.

2) Or the government knows that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and has
clear footage of the incident, but is deliberately releasing these
speculative images in order to stoke the debate so it can later
release the high quality video and use it to debunk the entire 9/11
truth movement.

The media obsession with this one facet of an entire smorgasbord of
9/11 questions, and their refusal to address more hardcore 9/11
evidence, leads us to fear the latter explanation is the case.

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Why no discussion of Building 7 and the comments of Larry Silverstein?

Why no discussion of the hijackers being trained by the US government?
Lt. Colonel Steve Butler of the Monterey Defense Language Institute
was suspended from duty after he accused Bush of allowing 9/11 to happen.

Why no discussion of the NORAD stand down?

Because none of these issues are honey pots, none of them are
speculation because the cards are laid out on the table for everyone
to see and the evidence is clear.

While intelligent questions need to be asked about what really
happened at the Pentagon we feel that research in this context should
come with the proviso that a potential trap is being laid to discredit
all 9/11 research at a later date, and that today's story is part of
that process.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/160506giantpsyop.htm

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Message 16
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 10:27pm(PDT)
Subject: Fw: [911_free_discussion] Who has seen this new DoD 9-11 videotape?

This is important. The Pentagon has now released the first five frames
(first seen March 2002) under its own auspices -- the five security cam
pictures are now officially endorsed by the Pentagon -- which makes the
case against the Pentagon even stronger.

The new frames apparently add nothing to what the first five pictures tell.

From: "Cait" <ansith@gmail.com>
To: <911_free_discussion@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [911_free_discussion] Who has seen this new DoD 9-11 videotape?
Someone describe it put it up somewhere.

The releases are available on CNN.com.

My first impression -

Well, the first release was simply the actual video from the original 5
frames released in 2002. Nothing new, only its longer the the first 5 frames

The second release was 2-3 frames from another camera in a similar location
to the original 5 frames.. and even of poorer quality. There is a bright
sunny glare in the middle of the image and a tiny projectile image of
something in the first frame, then nothing except the explosion.

If these videos were supposed to debunk the "conspiracy theorists" they
certainly didn't live up to the hype.

In my opinion, they show absolutely nothing and only reinforce the idea that
we do NOT know what happened that day.

-------Original Message-------

From: Dick Eastman
Date: 05/16/06 15:56:29
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:,
Subject: [911_free_discussion] Who has seen this new DoD 9-11 videotape?
Someone describe it put it up somewhere.

Let's have someone's first impressions. Please.

Is there some URL where you can actually see these pics? (Judicial Watch is
unavailable.)

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Date: Tue May 16, 2006 10:54pm(PDT)
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Message 18
From: "jlennon427" jlennon427@yahoo.com
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 11:02pm(PDT)
Subject: POLL-AMERICANS ACCEPT WIRETAP

Sooooo.... I was thinking.....
If the popular opinion that future terrorist attacks are inevitable,
why then is it that 2/3rds of polled Americans prefer wiretaps?
Why give away our Constitutional rights in exchange for a security
force that admits it can't protect us?

Do a majority of Americans not understand that public opinion
doesn't matter to those of us who want to keep the constitution the
law of this country? Just becuase it might boost his ratings, it is
not the presidents right to give the authority to implement such a
brutally illegal program.

I have the unpopular opinion that these programs are kept way too
secret and do not reflect the best for American Citizens or even the
law. But whatever right?

Iam also of the dumb opinion(and the constitutions now dumb opinion)
that if a law is grossly unconstitutional than it is no law at all,
and more than that, it is my sacred duty to dissobey these false
laws.
But whatever, my bretheren seem to be temporarily ill and when
presented the choice of freedom or protection, like a blind
fool,they reached out for protection.

Can you reccolect the oath our "fathers" take, it goes something
like....I do solemnly swear to protect...... against foreign and
domestic ....something...?? Oh well, its not important anymore..

ABCNEWS---------------------------------------------------
May 12, 2006 � - Americans by nearly a 2-1 ratio call the
surveillance of telephone records an acceptable way for the federal
government to investigate possible terrorist threats, expressing
broad unconcern even if their own calling patterns are scrutinized.

Lending support to the administration's defense of its anti-
terrorism intelligence efforts, 63 percent in this ABC
News/Washington Post poll say the secret program, disclosed Thursday
by USA Today, is justified, while far fewer, 35 percent, call it
unjustified.

Nearly half the public, 45 percent, say the government is not doing
enough to protect Americans' rights as it investigates terrorism.
This concern is far higher than it was in 2002 and 2003, closer to
the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks -- but slightly down in this poll from
its level two months ago.

Despite such concerns, however, the public continues to place a
higher priority on terrorism investigations than on privacy
intrusions. Sixty-five percent say it's more important for the
government to investigate possible threats, even if that intrudes on
personal privacy, than for it to avoid privacy intrusions if that
limits its investigative ability. It was the same in January,
although higher still in 2002 and 2003 polls.

Eight in 10 conservatives call the NSA program acceptable. Six in 10
moderates agree, as do more than four in 10 liberals.

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Message 19
From: "Dick Eastman" olfriend@nwinfo.net
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 11:03pm(PDT)
Subject: Fw: The world according to Ch�vez

May 16, 2006

http://www.guardian.co.uk/venezuela/story/0,,1775763,00.html

The world according to Ch�vez

He's the new hero of the left - a socialist leader who
is tackling poverty in Venezuela while leading the
Latin American backlash against 'the empire' of George
Bush. But what is Hugo Ch�vez really like? And how
does he feel about being portrayed as a dictator by
much of the British press? Jonathan Steele and Duncan
Campbell meet him
Jonathan Steele and Duncan Campbell
Tuesday May 16, 2006

Guardian
Hugo Ch�vez, Venezuela's socialist president,
remembers "with great affection" the day he went to
see Queen Elizabeth II in 2001. "There's something
I'll never forget. When I got out of the car at the
entrance to the palace, I spotted a coin lying on the
ground and picked it up, and saw it had her face on
one side. So I took the coin," he says. Once inside,
he presented the Queen with his official gift, a glass
model of waterfalls and forests in Venezuela and a
multi-coloured bird. Then he took out the coin and
handed it to her. "She kept it," he laughs, as he
recounts the story in an interview with the Guardian
yesterday, sitting beneath a portrait of 19th-century
South American would-be liberator, Sim�n Bol�var - he
ordered his staff to put up the picture - in his suite
at London's Savoy hotel.

Ch�vez is in Britain at the invitation of London mayor
Ken Livingstone and has been greeted rapturously by
his supporters - from the Latin American diaspora to
the British left, excited about a 21st-century success
story. But his reception in most of the media here has
been hostile, from wild accusations that he supports
terrorism to suggestions that he is a despot who has
done nothing to reduce poverty in spite of his claims.

We meet Ch�vez on day two of his whistlestop visit. He
is of mixed race, thick-set, neatly turned out in suit
and tie and with a fierce handshake. He touches your
arm and knee as he speaks. On stage, Ch�vez is
entertaining, like a stand-up comedian, and very
physical: he mimes the way people cringe away from him
in horror when they first meet this terrifying
dictator. But in person he is thoughtful and
concentrates carefully on the details. On this visit
he failed to drop in on his old friend the Queen. "But
I'd like to take the opportunity through your paper to
greet her and congratulate her on her 80th birthday."
Referring to his great ally, Cuba's president, Fidel
Castro, he says: "She and Fidel are more or less the
same age." The Queen and Castro have never met, so
would he be the intermediary who could bring them
together? "The two boys and the girl," he grins. "She
is so young. I saw her on TV and she looks so fresh."

If it is something of a surprise to hear Ch�vez, a
self-confessed socialist revolutionary and former army
officer from a poor family, talking with such
affection about Britain's hereditary head of state, it
is rather less of a shock to hear his views on the
Bush administration. In his seven years in power, the
man who has twice been elected president has become
one of the most popular leaders in Latin America
precisely because of his outspoken criticism of what
he always calls "the empire". His unabashed opposition
to US foreign policy, and the pressure it has produced
from Washington, tap into the deep vein of suspicion
and resentment that two centuries of US invasions,
coups, and economic domination have aroused in Latin
America and the Caribbean.

Four years ago, Ch�vez himself survived a coup by
dissident generals, backed by opposition media tycoons
and many in Venezuela's upper class. US officials knew
of the plot in advance and Washington welcomed his
arrest and apparent overthrow. But the mutiny
collapsed two days later when hundreds of thousands
streamed out of the poor areas of Caracas, calling for
his release in a huge display of "people power". And
it is no surprise that he is popular with the poor:
using Venezuela's oil revenues - the country has the
world's sixth largest oil reserves - Ch�vez has funded
extensive anti-poverty programmes in his own country,
a literacy drive, health clinics in slum districts,
aid to single mothers, free treatment to HIV/Aids
sufferers, special tuition for early school-leavers,
and evening classes for adults.

Last year, he even started offering this largesse to
poor communities abroad. Through Citgo, the chain of
petrol pumps that Venezuela owns in the United States,
he cocked a snook at Washington by linking up with
community leaders in several American cities and
supplying cheap heating oil. At meetings yesterday
with British trade union leaders and London's mayor,
he was exploring options for doing the same in poor
communities in Britain.

"We are very much encouraged by the success this has
had with poor families in the US," he says. "We think
it is important to be consistent with what you say and
what you do, given the increase in world poverty as a
result of the savagery of capitalism around the world
and the high price of oil and fuel. In Britain we have
investments in two small refineries and we have
offices all around Europe. Our deputy minister for
foreign affairs was expelled from the US just because
she was encouraging this programme in the US."

But it is in South America where Ch�vez has most
support. His hero is the great - if ultimately
unsuccessful - Latin American, Sim�n Bol�var: Ch�vez
wants to realise the Bolivarian dream of continental
integration and independence. He has already had his
country renamed the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela,
a decision ratified by the electorate in a referendum.

But Venezuela is unique in Latin America in being
blessed with such vast amounts of oil. Even
sympathetic analysts of Ch�vez's pro-poor policies
wonder whether they really amount to a model for the
rest of the continent. Surely Venezuela is an
exception, with no direct lessons to offer its
regional neighbours?

Ch�vez takes issue with that. Countries with natural
resources have to take control of them, he says;
narrow ruling elites and foreign investors have
exploited them for too long, making super-profits for
themselves. The Venezuelan governments which were in
charge during the last era of high world oil prices in
the 1970s wasted much of the revenue on patronage,
corruption, macro-economic mismanagement and boom-bust
spending. Washington's hostility to Ch�vez began when
Venezuela's president sought to take control of his
country's oil industry and stopped it being
privatised. He thoroughly applauds Bolivia's new
president Evo Morales for nationalising Bolivia's gas
fields.

This week, Ch�vez has been presented in much of the
British media as if he were some kind of dictator, and
unelected. But as he points out, he has held and won
eight elections, all certified by outside observers as
free and fair. In contrast to countries such as Italy,
where Silvio Berlusconi controlled the major TV
channels, the opposition in Venezuela has three TV
stations that criticise Ch�vez constantly and
furiously. "It's the first time that a government,
after seven and a half years of power, has a
popularity rating of close to 70%," he says.

Some supporters suggest that the Venezuelan
president's government is classic top-down
paternalism, heavily dependent on the energy, charm
and goodwill of the president himself. Ch�vez denies
this. "Our participatory democracy is getting more
solid every day," he says. "We have urban land
committees, health committees, environmental
committees, groups running savings banks, as well as
elected local councils. Never in our history has
Venezuela had such autonomous powers as we have today.
It is different from the former neo-liberal model."

The United States is as concerned by this as much as
by Venezuela's economic policies. "The empire is very
preoccupied and the pawns of the the empire are very
preoccupied that this model is so strong and enjoys so
much support, with a reduction in poverty [and] the
inclusion of people in education; illiteracy has been
wiped out and we are now building a health care system
that is open to all. You have to remember that in 1996
inflation was 100%. Now unemployment is in single
digits, after reaching nearly 20%," he says. It is
because Venezuela is implementing an alternative which
is successful, he adds, that "they are orchestrating
these attacks. Washington has said that I am a
modern-day Hitler. Last week, a spokesman in the White
House referring to the latest report in the war on
terrorism said that Venezuela is supporting
terrorism." He sees the allegations of terrorism as
bewildering, part of the US smear campaign against
him.

The charge that Ch�vez has allowed inequalities to
widen seems particularly far off target. There are no
independent statistics to back up Ch�vez's claim that
the percentage of people below the poverty line has
dropped from 50% to 37%, but the wave of social
spending in poor areas suggests he must be right about
the broad trend. Britain's Department for
International Development has declined to fund several
attempts by independent British social scientists to
research Venezuela's poverty reduction schemes; it has
left it to the Inter-American Development Bank, an
agency still dominated by the neo-liberal Washington
consensus.

But Venezuela has pioneered the effort to implement an
alternative economic and social model that rejects the
US belief in privatisation, cuts in government welfare
spending and free trade. A decade of economic disaster
throughout Latin America in the 1990s has given him
huge support in the region, inspiring other leaders to
try to follow suit.

Beyond Latin America, Ch�vez has forged good working
relations with the world's major oil and gas
exporters. After London, he leaves for Algeria and
Libya. Some critics have accused him of cosying up to
the military regime in Burma. "That is the first time
I have heard about Burma - they say I support Bin
Laden or ETA, but never Burma. But ... if you say so.
Many things are said about me, so many things both
inside and outside the country. This is a
well-orchestrated, worldwide campaign. Now what is the
purpose of this campaign? Sim�n Rodriguez, Bol�var's
tutor, used to say 200 years ago - the idea is to
destroy the model and by doing so you prevent it from
becoming contagious."

At an enthusiastic rally in London's Camden Centre on
Sunday afternoon, Ch�vez delighted the crowd during
his marathon three-and-a-half-hour speech by taking
the same metaphor further. A few years ago, few people
dared to call themselves socialists, he says. Now it
is different. "We have to marshal our ideas for a
better world. We have to infect people. Let's have a
badge, saying, 'I'm a socialist. I will infect you'."

Ch�vez's critics have also made their voices heard. An
anti-Ch�vez website, www.vcrisis.com, has also been
running lengthy attacks on the visit, accusing him of
human rights abuses, of locking up political
opponents, and making a weapon out of la lista (the
list) of the several million people who signed
petitions calling for a referendum to recall him from
power in 2004. They claim signatories suffer
discrimination now. There has also been some dissent
from people who support what he is trying to achieve.
Nicaragua-born Bianca Jagger, for instance, criticised
Ch�vez for supporting the Sandinista leader, Daniel
Ortega, even though Ortega has made what she sees as
an unholy alliance with the rightwing in his country
in this autumn's elections.

Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch publish
allegations against the Venezuelan government on their
websites. HRW's director general Jos� Miguel Vivanco
criticised the media laws introduced last year as
having "flouted international principles that protect
free expression". The two organisations have also
accused the government of attempting to muzzle
criticism by threatening opponents with prosecution.
Amnesty highlights alleged brutality by the security
forces over decades, which Ch�vez has not ended. But
neither organisation singles Venezuela out as having a
particularly bad record globally.

But back to Britain: why did he really not meet up
with Tony Blair? Was it because the British
government's relations with Ch�vez took a nose-dive
after the failed coup attempt when London reacted in
solidarity with the Bush administration, according to
British academics who specialise in Latin American
politics? Or was it it also because of Blair's attack
on Ch�vez in parliament in February? Ch�vez denies any
snub. Referring to his calls on the Queen and Blair
last time, he says, "The big capitalist press is
trying to minimise the importance of this visit. I
didn't come here to visit them. There's nothing
negative. This is not an official visit." And anyway,
there were few heads of state in the world he could
ask to see at such short notice - he had only a
fortnight to arrange the trip. What about Castro? "I
was coming back from Africa in my Airbus once. I rang
him [Fidel] and said I'd be in Havana in four hours'
time. He said, 'Where are you?' I explained I was in
the air. 'Only you and Bush would ring people from
their planes!' he told me. I was quite offended."

Just before we leave he tells us, "I have an obsession
with reading." Asked what is on his bedside table at
the moment, an aide goes out and returns with Les
Mis�rables by Victor Hugo. "I read it all the time. It
is my companion. It is a monument to human beings,"
says Ch�vez.

And a final word? "As Rousseau said, between the poor
and the rich, liberty is oppressive," he says. "Only
law can liberate".

/ / /

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Message 20
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 11:10pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: POLL-AMERICANS ACCEPT WIRETAP

Are the wire taps so the Bush administration will know where best to place
that next terrorist attack, to once again make him a hero for a security
failure?

-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jlennon427
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:02 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] POLL-AMERICANS ACCEPT WIRETAP

I have the unpopular opinion that these programs are kept way too
secret and do not reflect the best for American Citizens or even the
law. But whatever right?

Can you reccolect the oath our "fathers" take, it goes something
like....I do solemnly swear to protect...... against foreign and
domestic ....something...?? Oh well, its not important anymore..

Eight in 10 conservatives call the NSA program acceptable. Six in 10
moderates agree, as do more than four in 10 liberals.

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Message 21
From: "APFN" apfn@apfn.org
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 11:32pm(PDT)
Subject: 9-11 Pentagon Footage - COAT TO COAST AM

COAT TO COAST AM
9-11 Pentagon
Footage
Wed May 17, 2006 02:48
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=101227
9-11 Pentagon Footage
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
Security
camera footage recorded at the time of the 9-11 Pentagon attack was
released today by the Department of Justice after a Freedom of
Information Act request was made by Judicial Watch. The video, composed
of still frames from two different angles, can be viewed at Judicial
Watch, ABC News, and BBC News.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
Alex
Jones and Paul Joseph Watson offer their analysis in two different
articles, Pentagon Video is Giant Psy-Op and Assault On 9/11 Truth
Movement.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/160506pentagonimages.htm
First Hour: Chris Farrell of Judicial Watch, Dave vonKleist, and Alex
Jones will share their reactions to the recently released 9-11 Pentagon
tape.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
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APFN
FLIGHT 77: SHOW ME THE PLANE! Tue Mar 5 05:10:25 2002 68.3.132.0 ...
[APFN] SOLID DATA SUGGESTING "FLIGHT 77" WAS ACTUALLY A MUCH SMALLER
DRONE JET! ...
APFN: 9/11 FLIGHT 77 - INFO AND LINKS:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm
brad
911 maps -flight explorer
Sun Aug 8, 2004 00:37
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/08-08-04/discussion.cgi.24.html
What do we know about the planes on 911?
A better way to say this, is how did we obtain this info?
We saw maps on CNN/FOX right?....
where did THEY get those maps?
This brings up a critical question.
After looking at a few maps from 911, some things clrearly dont add up.
The maps do not jive with the transcript.
I have found oddities with all 4 flights.
The BIG question is how do these companies get their info? How did it
get to the press in a few hours,and is it reliable?
The original maps i am speaking about are here by a company called
Flight Explorer....
http://www.avweb.com/other/911flightexplorer.html
(There are also other maps done by a company called Flytecomm, there is
an oddity there as well, i will get to that later)
I will only highlight a few points here you can read the new pages for
the rest of the info.
There
was a report about flight 93 filing a NEW flight plan. That is already
known, what i found was that the estimated time of arrival changes,
radically, twice. (once is understandable, beacause it filed a new
flight plan)
The estimated arrival times starting at 2:15pm then it
changes SOUTH of Pitt, well *after* it was hijacked and a new flight
plan was filed to 10:28 it stays around that time, until the last blip
which indicates 9:34 as the ETA, BUT it crashed much later than that.
Why do the transcripts show a different time than the maps for the ETA
and the destination Airport?
How could the ETA show 9:34 when it was well after that at the time of
the
crash? Also, the map shows the plane going over 400mph at the time of
the crash (93). This is when eyewitneses said it had slowed down?
Was it reporting a different plane? Perhaps a war games plane?
How
hard would it be to turn off a transponder, and have a plane fly over
another (hijacked plane) and confuse the radar?
Radar will see only 1
blip, if the planes are too close to each other !
Another oddity
I saw in the 911-commission report was that flight 175 changed its
transpoder codes TWICE. Why would a hijacker do that?
It has been
said they were turned OFF so that the plane could not be tracked, but
changed, and turned off are 2 different things. Changing a tx code
would only throw UP red flags to the flight controllers.
Not to mention, if they did not want the flights to be tracked, why let
the passengers use cell phones?
Adtionally,
I noticed that flight 93 was at 40,000ft at the time most of these
calls were being made. (doing over 350mph)As a cell phone engineer,
this seems impossible to me.
Flight 77...
if you look at the
Flight Explorer maps, flight 77 turns over Cleveland, the problem here
is that if you look at the transcrips for flight 77, it is Indy radar
that is looking for him. The transcrips show that 77 was LOST to radar
for several mins. they had even thought it crashed. From my limited
understanding, even if the transpoder is turned off, the plane should
still be visible to radar, but the controllers in different cities
talking to each other could not find it.
Now, this map below is from Flytecomm. This data shows flight 77
turning around in Indy?
Flytecomm Flight 77 NY times
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/nat_FLIGHT_1102_aa77.html
Clearly there is a discrepancy. Why would there be a difference between
these 2 maps, and the transcripts as well?
Isnt this what these companies do? track flights?
this is from the flight 77 transcript, though they are speaking about
flight 11...
9:11:25 Indianapolis Control, Dacos Radar Associate:
there's
no flight plan in the machine right now and 9:11:28 Indianapolis
Control, Henderson Sector Radar Associate: yeah I just looked at that,
too.
Does this support Gerard Holmgrens idea that flight 11 and 77 were
never scheduled?
http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=36354&group=webcast
INDY radar? didnt the plane turn over cleveland?
Thats what we were told, and also what flight explorer shows?
Anyone know how these guys get their data?
Anyone want to email them and ask them why the discrepancy?
I am not accusing them of anything, but they could have been tricked?
For a full idea of the flight paths, and what may have happened. See
the new pages here...
http://airgames.bravehost.com/
http://airgames.batcave.net/
see Prof Dewdneys work on cell phone calls
http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6
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suggested reading (related)...
Flight11 the Twin Flight (with comments)
http://physics911.org/net/modules/weblog/details.php?blog_id=28
The Cleveland Airport Mystery
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=323
Cheers,
Brad
http://911index.batcave.net
http://physics911.org/net/modules/weblog/
RE:
9/11...NEW PHOTO'S FLIGHT 77 Judicial
Watch, Tue May 16 14:43
YES
I SAW A BIG F**KING ASS BOEING JET HIT IT! Greg Schoenborn, Tue
May 16 16:45
9-11
Pentagon Footage COAT TO COAST AM, Wed May 17 02:48
Videos
of American Flight 77 striking the Pentagon www.defenselink.mil , Wed
May 17 00:11
Pentagon
Video Is Giant Psy-Op Paul Joseph
Watson & Alex Jones, Tue May 16
20:39
Happy
Now? Just so you knwo!, Tue May 16 19:15
Happy
Now? Just so you knwo, Tue May 16 19:18
Re:
Happy Now? David Howard, Tue May 16 20:30
Photoshop
genius helicopter detonated, Tue May 16 20:11
Planes
Do NOT Vaporize... Reg, Tue May 16 16:25
9/11
Pentagon video goes public for first time S Miles Lewis, Tue
May 16 16:18
flight
77 video J.L USN/Ret, Tue May 16 20:25
RE:
Flight 77 striking the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 FOREIGN PRESS
FOUNDATION, Tue May 16 16:23
New
footage Anonymous, Tue May 16 15:58
NOSE
CONE brad, Wed May 17 02:12
Video
and analysis here.... brad, Tue May 16 20:01
Judicial
Watch page here (mirrored) brad,
Tue May 16 15:06
[911TruthAction]
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Lewis, Tue May 16 16:37
Flight
77 Richard Lozano, Tue May 16 15:52
RE:
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Price, Tue May 16 16:02
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Message 22
From: "kattmanduu" kattmann@valornet.com
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 11:48pm(PDT)
Subject: Pentagon video is crap

I have looked at that "new tape" and don't see any more 757 in it than
was in the first 7 frames they released.Just a colorized version of the
old one with several of the frames duplicated to make it run longer.
It looked more like a smaller object the size of a pickup truck maybe, but
not a 757 in any of their botched evidence video. HUMMM KATT

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Message 23
From: "kattmanduu" kattmann@valornet.com
Date: Tue May 16, 2006 11:52pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Pentagon Strike Video on DOD site

Honestly Miles, did you really see a whole 757 in any of that tape? I
didn't. KATT
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "S Miles Lewis"
<yahoolists@...> wrote:
>
> Videos of American Flight 77 striking the Pentagon on September 11,
> 2001
> Video 1 (WMV)
> <mms://wm.world.mii-streaming.net/media/defense/flight77/fl77-
> 1_11094135.WMV>
> <http://tinyurl.com/e5o3o>
>
> Video 2 (WMV)
> <mms://wm.world.mii-streaming.net/media/defense/flight77/fl77-
> 2_11094237.WMV>
> <http://tinyurl.com/fytwp>
>
> <http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html#911video>
>

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Message 24
From: "Total Information" totalinfo@gmail.com
Date: Wed May 17, 2006 0:02am(PDT)
Subject: New Pentagon video shows no Boeing airliner

<http://www.total911.info/2006/05/new-pentagon-video-shows-no-boeing.html>
*
Total911.info* -- Following Freedom of Information Act lawsuits dating back
to 2004, the Pentagon Tuesday released images recorded on the morning of
9/11 by two security cameras in the Pentagon parking lot. Five frames from
one camera had previously been leaked in early 2002. No Boeing 757 airliner
is apparent in any of the images.

The federal government had been using the Zacarias Moussaoui trial as an
excuse to keep the images classified. The images were shown to jurors at the
trial. 25% of the heavily-screened, pro-FedGov jury were not horrified
enough by the images to lynch the retarded colored Frenchman on trial.

Whatever speed the cameras actually recorded at, the released video only
contains two frames per second. The five frames of interest from one camera
were previously released in 2002. They appeared to show an obscured
missile-sized object approaching the Pentagon. The images of interest from
the other, nearby, camera, are first, the nose of an aircraft (very similar
to, say, an AGM-86A cruise missile) inching into the frame from the right,
the next, a white blur blurring into an explosion. No passenger airliner is
apparent in any image.

Meanwhile, the government refuses to release 84 other
recordings<http://flight77.info>in pending lawsuits. Among those are
videos confiscated from a nearby
Sheraton hotel and Citgo gas station. Cable news reporters gamely reported
that those cameras were pointed the wrong the way and we would never see
them. This is a lie, of course, as media reports indicated Sheraton
employees watched the tape "in horror" before it was stolen by the FBI.

Presentation of this release on cablenews was preceded and accompanied by
loathsome talking heads preening that "conspiracy theorists" would be proven
wrong by the video. Though more than one admitted quietly that the new
footage was "underwhelming."

Particularly loathsome was CNN's embedded Pentagon flack, Jamie McIntyre.
McIntyre claimed up and down that he was at the Pentagon and saw the plane
wreckage, that it was everywhere. Of course, his report filed on 9/11 said
exactly the opposite -- and video of that report has been archived all over
the web and transcribed by Total911.info, Later in the day, McIntyre
attacked "conspiracy theorists" on the web, and took some of his own 9/11
report out of context in order to attack Internet researchers of taking his
report out of context. McIntyre was sweaty, jumpy, and nervous -- as well he
should be, given that the scope of his lies may impeach him as a war
criminal.

Like Winston in Orwell's *1984*, a boot beating down on his head until he
agreed 2+2=5, the television showed us, between reports on the NSA spying on
your phone calls, pictures of no Boeing 757 while .insisting they were
showing you a Boeing airliner.

How much longer will this continue?

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TIA<http://www.total411.info/2006/05/new-pentagon-video-shows-no-boeing.html>at
5/17/2006 02:49:00 AM

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Message 25
From: "John Perna" savefreedom2005@yahoo.com
Date: Wed May 17, 2006 2:30am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Signs of tyranny looming

A nation that does not defend its borders will not continue to be a nation.
Terrorists, smugglers, murders, rapists, are among those illegals.

Our future if we do not control immigration

Did we not notice what happened to the Indians because they did not control immigration?
If you woke up tonight with a gun at your head,
you would agree that burglary should be illegal.
So is illegal immigration.
Those who were born here of parents who were citizens,
are our citizens.
The fact that our ancestors were immigrants is irrelevant when discussing the invasion that is now taking place.
THE QUESTION IS Do WE keep criminals out of our own home?

Did you see the photos of the demonstrators?
The signs said things like this:

"We did not cross the border.
The border crossed us"

"This is our land. Gringos should leave"

"All Europeans who came here since 1492 were illegal"

They flew Mexican flags and did the national anthem in Spanish.
Did your ancestors try to change our language?

Do a google search on "Atzlan". In case you do not want to bother,
I will tell you that "Atzlan" is the name of the new country,
that they plan to form after they take the south west away from the "gringos".

When will the bloodshed stop in Israel?
What is it like in South Africa now?
Did we learn nothing from studying Roman history?
Do we want the same thing here?

If the number of illegal immigrants,
that we have now,
are having boycotts, demonstrations, demanding "rights", and claiming to own this country,
THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DO NOT STOP MORE FROM COMING IN??????
If they have it so bad here, why are they coming in droves?
If they have it so bad here, why don't they go back?

What we are seeing now is IMPORTED CLASS STRUGGLE.
To understand what happens to a nation that becomes engulfed in CLASS STRUGGLE
read the Communist Manifesto.
Their demonstrations and boycotts were on May First.
May First is a communist holiday.

The FTAA would open our borders totally

Visit:
http://www.stoptheftaa.org/
and
http://www.stoptheftaa.org/default.html

Unfortunately, many Congressmen have accepted this hype that the so-called Free Trade Agreements (FTAs) are just designed to open up markets for American exports.

----------------------
One Country with a Sensible Immigration Policy

[Unlike the United States, which doesn't know its benighted butt from a hole in a tortilla, there is a country which does have a sane and sensible immigration policy. Here are some of its rules: PERHAPS WE SHOULD ADOPT THE SAME RULES]

1. If you migrate to this county, you must speak the national language.

2. You have to be a professional or an investor. No unskilled workers allowed.

3. There will be no special bilingual programs in schools, no special ballots for elections.
All government business must be conducted in the common national language.

4. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote, no matter how long they live here.

5. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps,
no health care, or other government assistance programs.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times
the daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be
restricted. You cannot own waterfront property. That is reserved for citizens born
in this country.

9. Foreigners may not protest: no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political
organizing, no badmouthing of its national policies. If you do, you will be sent back home.

10. If you come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail.

Sound harsh? Insensitive? Inhumane?

The above laws governing immigration happen to be those of��

... our good neigbor to the south � MEXICO!

mann david <dmann51@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yeh John and you are one of the symptoms and causes of
looming tyrany - like "put "illegals" on five years of
hard labor building a wall" - etc.- - and the rest of
your opinions.

--- John Perna <savefreedom2005@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Signs of tyranny looming
>
> If you don't have 15 minutes to look this over,
> someday when you
> have the time and not the content, you'll wish you
> had.
>
> "The greatest menace to freedom is an inert people."
>
> Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis
>
> If you don't want to read all the evidence, scroll
> all the way down
> and follow the 2 links for this imperative
> information.
>
> PRE-SCRIPT When the time comes it will be imperative
> that you stand
> up for what you believe in. What are you going to
> do? I understand
> it is easy to be lazy about these things in the
> present. When
> circumstances become apparent you must not be lazy.
> Our brethren
> and posterity are going ask more from our young
> generation than have
> been demanded from any previous American
> generations. When the time
> comes,know your Rights, be prepared to Act, and
> expect to do your
> part.
>
>
> On July 5, 1987 the front page of the Miami Herald
> Newspaper carried
> a now famous article describing White House plans
> to:
>
> A.) DECLARE AN UNDEFINED "NATIONAL EMERGENCY,"
> B.) RE-OPEN CONCENTRATION CAMPS FOR PREVENTIVE
> DETENTION OF LEGAL
> DISSIDENTS CERTAIN ETHNIC GROUPS, AND
> C.)LEGALLY SUSPEND OUR UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION
>
> On August 14, 2002, Attorney General John Ashcroft
> was called
> a "menace to Liberty" by Jonathan Turley, in the Los
> Angeles Times,
> for announcing his desire for camps for U.S.
> citizens he
> deems "enemy combatants."
>
> Under the Justice Department's new definition of
> "enemy combatant"�
> which won the enthusiastic approval of the president
> and Defense
> Secretary Donald Rumsfeld�anyone defined as an
> "enemy combatant,"
> very much including American citizens, can be held
> indefinitely by
> the government, without charges, a hearing, or a
> lawyer. In short,
> incommunicado.
>
> On August 8, The Wall Street Journal reported that
> "the Goose Creek,
> South Carolina, facility now has a special wing that
> could be used
> to jail U.S. citizens if the government were to deem
> them enemy
> combatants," a senior administration official said.
>
> The Rex-84 Alpha Explan (Readiness Exercise 1984,
> Exercise Plan)
> showed that FEMA leads 34 other federal agencies,
> including CIA,
> FBI, and U.S. Treasury, in a massive civil readiness
> exercise.
> In 1983, at the annual meeting of the Academy of
> Criminal Justice
> Sciences, FEMA's General Frank S. Salcedo
> recommended expanding
> FEMA's power even further. As he saw it at least
> 100,000 U.S.
> citizens, from survivalists to tax protesters, were
> serious threats
> to civil security.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Garden_Plot
>
> Operation: Urban Warrior. US Marines Training with
> Foreign Troops in
> Mock Martial Law Practices Including Disarming
> American Citizens
> Portrayed by Actors and Placing Them in
> Concentration Camps.During
> the urban combat phase of Operation Urban Warrior,
> U.S. Marines take
> cover and move out in Oakland, Calif., March 16.
>
> It was announced recently that Halliburton
> subsidiary Kellogg, Brown
> and Root had been awarded a $385 million dollar
> contract by Homeland
> Security to construct detention and processing
> facilities in the
> event of a national emergency.
>
> In 2002, FEMA sought bids from major real estate and
> engineering
> firms to construct giant internment facilities in
> the case of a
> chemical, biological or nuclear attack or a natural
> disaster.
>
> Okanogan County Commissioner Dave Schulz went public
> three years ago
> with his contention that his county was home of a
> modern day
> internment camp.
>
> When Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) read a story
> widely circulated in
> the U.S. press in 2003 entitled "Foundations Are in
> Place for
> Martial Law in the United States," he became so
> alarmed that he gave
> a speech on the floor of the U.S. House of
> Representatives on the
> topic.
>
> In a revealing admission the Director of Resource
> Management for the
> U.S. Army confirmed the validity of a memorandum
> relating to the
> establishment of a civilian inmate labor program
> under development
> by the Department of the Army.
>
> The 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, passed in response to
> abuses by
> federal troops in the South after the Civil War,
> prohibits the use
> of the military "to execute the laws" of the U.S.
> That's been widely
> interpreted as a ban on searching, arresting or
> spying on U.S.
> civilians by federal troops.
>
> Northcom's commander, Gen. Ralph "Ed" Eberhart, is
> the first general
> since the Civil War with operational authority
> exclusively over
> military forces within the U.S.
>
>
> Northcom is doing more than mere coordinating.
> "Under the banner
> of 'homeland security', the military and
> intelligence communities
> are implementing far-reaching changes that blur the
> lines between
> terrorism and other kinds of crises and will break
> down long-
> established barriers to military action and
> surveillance within the
> US."
>
> Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, testifying
> in October
> before the Senate Armed Services Committee, agreed
> that federal
> troops have a major role in domestic policing to
> prevent terrorism.--
> ---please go here-
>
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001385--
> --000-.html
>
> State Emergency Health Powers Act
> WASHINGTON -- In the event of a bio-terrorist attack
> using a deadly
> and contagious disease such as smallpox, public
> health officials
> want to be able to close roads and airports and, if
> necessary,
> quarantine entire infected cities.
> To make that possible, 50 governors are to receive
> copies of a
> proposed law, drafted at the behest of the Centers
> for Disease
> Control and Prevention in Atlanta, which could give
> states immense
> power to control their populations.
>
> H.R.3162
> AUTHORITY FOR DELAYING NOTICE OF THE EXECUTION OF A
> WARRANT.
> SEC. 213.
>
>
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