This individual missed the most important witnesses who saw two planes (not including the C-130); he missed the real evidence behind the Faram debris piece; he missed the fact that there is no penetration hole in the wall that would accomodate a starboard wing engine; he ignores what the security video camera showed (missile smoke and small-jet tail fin); and the implications of the location of one of the downed poles in light of Lagasse's statement.
They always defeat the same straw men over and over again -- never touching my evidence. You will not that his anonymous job comes from the old Ruppert list cia-drugs -- a group who banned me because they simply could not stand up to me.
Remember, they are people who are not letting me debate them and they are people who are posting anonymously.
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
by Dick Eastman 2002 (APFN) -- arguments still standing
Part 1 http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
Part 2 http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
Part 3 http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm
Part 1 http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
Part 2 http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
Part 3 http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm
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I answer her conclusions below:
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Part 12 - Conclusion
In the end if someone chooses not to believe it, then of course I cannot prove with 100% certainty that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. However, I have proven the following things, which seem to make a couple of dents into the works of most of the well-known 9/11 gurus:
1. Claims that the Pentagon hole is (much) too small for a 757-223 are false.
In the end if someone chooses not to believe it, then of course I cannot prove with 100% certainty that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. However, I have proven the following things, which seem to make a couple of dents into the works of most of the well-known 9/11 gurus:
1. Claims that the Pentagon hole is (much) too small for a 757-223 are false.
The hole on the second floor at pillar #14 is indeed wide enough to accomodate a Boeing 757 fuselage. However there is no damage above the second floor -- damage that would have had to have been there if a Boeing 757 had crashed. Also, there is no signs of penetration on the first floor between columns 16 and 17, where a starboard engine would have had to have penetrated. The pillars are tilting, but unbroken.
2. Claims that witnesses have said they saw a missile are false.
Straw man. No one sees missiles. HOWEVER, the security camera captured the trail of a missile being fired from the killer jet. see http://bedoper.com/eastman What some witnesses saw was two planes. In particular, Kelly Knowles saw two planes approaching at slightly different angles, the second plane veering away at the last moment -- and Keith Wheelhouse and his sister who saw another plane flying near the plane that crashed.
3. Claims that witnesses have said they saw a small plane and implying a significant amount did the same are misleading.
see above
4. Claims that witnesses have said the plane was quiet were an extreme minority and are brought to the public in a misleading way. As usual, the context has never been addressed. (In the car, windows shut, radio on. One person said it was the shock)
these claims are unimportant and undecisive
5. Claims that a Global Hawk or a F-16 hit the Pentagon aren't backed up by any witnesses. So why have these theories been put forward in the first place?
Jeff, whose father was an Admiral and whose brother works for an Admiral -- and who believes the official story! - was watching the WTC event on television when he saw an F-16 and a C-130 fly by the Pentagon five minutes before the crash -- which got his attention -- he claims to have seen the Boeing crash.
6. Quotes from the aftermath of the crash site are no proof something else than a 757 hit the building. As you can read in the quotes I gathered, even a few people who saw a large airliner dive into the building wondered about the relatively small amount of visible damage it did.
Most witnesses put the Boeing at points directly over the SHeraton Hotel, the Naval Annex and the Citgo gas station on the way in. Sgt. William Lagasse was getting gas at the CItgo station when the plane flew by him heated east towards the Pentagon. Lagasse saw the plane pass just north of him, so that he could see the row of starboard (right side) windows of the plane as it passed him. However since Lagasse was standing at a place that itself was north and west of the first pole that was knocked down -- it is virtually impossible that the jetliner that Lagasse saw could have knocked down that pole on Washington Blvd. THe pole must have been hit by that second aircraft as it approached on the "slightly-different-angle" path to the Pentagon. The killer jet hit the pole, fired a missile and then itself hit at pillar #14, while the jetliner that everyone saw approaching flew over the Pentagon and blended into Reagan National airport just one mile beyond the crash. The C-130 -- likely a command plane -- flew over the Pentagon 30 seconds afterwards.
ANd that is the story that you have failed to knock down.
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.
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