Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911TruthAction] Digest Number 1196

Tuesday, March 28, 2006

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1196

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. PULL IT: Sheen challenges Silverstein on WTC demolition
From: "Total Information" <totalinfo@gmail.com>
2. ***Urgent Action Alert***Jack McLamb needs help
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
3. FBI Watch List is Unbelievable! tvnl news
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
4. [Fwd: [cia-drugs] Why the No-757 Crowd is Making an Ass out of Itself]
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
5. Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science
From: "Debi Clark" <debiclark@sbcglobal.net>
6. Re: 9/11 remote control 757 - ILS, Instrument Landing System
From: Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>
7. Re: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science
From: Scott Legere <sledger911@yahoo.com>
8. Re: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science
From: "Cait" <ansith@gmail.com>
9. Re: remote control 757 (ref: 9/11)---BRILLIANT
From: "mojo_j_2000" <mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com>
10. Re: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science
From: "mojo_j_2000" <mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com>
11. Re: Re: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science
From: Scott Legere <sledger911@yahoo.com>
12. Re: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
13. Fw: The Missile- Probably Was a Hellfire AGM-114N w/ *Thermobaric Warhead* ,Purpose of the Missiles,Blast/Fragmentation,Shaped Charge ,
From: "Debi Clark" <debiclark@sbcglobal.net>
14. Re: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
15. Bill Maher - IRAQ WAR AND THE GOOD TIMES.....
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
16. rebuttal [Fwd: [cia-drugs] Why the No-757 Crowd is Making an Ass out of Itself]
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
17. Breaking News: Islamic Terrorist cell exposed in New York
From: "Roman" <comraderoman@yahoo.com>
18. [Fwd: [apfn-1] "Lawless World," reveals Bush and Tony Blair taking the law into their own hands...]
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
19. WTC according to NIST
From: "catsears_2000" <catsears_2000@yahoo.com>
20. Time for the 9/11 Movement to Grow Up
From: "botalerts" <botalerts@yahoo.ca>
21. Hope
From: "Donald Stahl" <politicstahl@hotmail.com>
22. RE: Uncovered: The quest to invade Iraq
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
23. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME LOOK...
From: "d_andrew_stanley" <d_andrew_stanley@yahoo.com>
24. NY Times obtains secret memo of Bush, Blair meeting before Iraq war
From: ranger116@webtv.net
25. Please E-mail Cspan BookTV to film Tarpley event in Seattle
From: John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net>

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:19:12 -0500
From: "Total Information" <totalinfo@gmail.com>
Subject: PULL IT: Sheen challenges Silverstein on WTC demolition

< http://www.total411.info/2006/03/pull-it-sheen-challenges-silverstein.html>

[http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/240306challengeme.htm]

<http://total911.info/silversteinsheen.jpg>Call Silverstein Properties at
(212) 843-8068 and ask when he will answer Charlie Sheen's challenge to
explain himself on pulling WTC buildings.

From *PrisonPlanet.com* reports on Friday's new Sheen
interview<http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/240306challengeme.htm>:

"[...]"If there's a problem with Building 7 then there's a problem with the
whole damn thing and guess what? There's a serious problem with Building 7,"
said Sheen.

Sheen demanded that Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, explain
what he meant when he told a September 2002 PBS documentary 'America
Rebuilds' that the decision was made to "pull" the building, which is a
demolition term for deliberate implosion.

"When someone makes a statement like that I think it warrants a follow up
response," said Sheen.

"In fact you know what I'll come right out and say that I'm personally
requesting a direct answer from Mr. Silverstein about what he meant....give
him my number tell him to call me I'm just curious. Tell him to call CNN
tell him to call somebody because you cannot make a statement like that and
not follow it up, and not back it up and not explain it."

"Anyone that cannot view this as a controlled demolition, I would have to
say that their chair was not facing the television. Anyone that can look at
this and say 'yes, that is a random event caused by fire' really needs
psychiatric evaluation," said Sheen.

Sheen challenged the mainstream media to run a poll on Building 7 asking if
viewers believe from video evidence that the building was brought down by
means of controlled implosion.

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3/27/2006 12:59:00 AM

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:42:24 EST
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
Subject: ***Urgent Action Alert***Jack McLamb needs help

> <A HREF="mailto:jack@cybrquest.com">Jack McLamb</A>
> The McLamb Family Needs Your Help!
> Mon Mar 27, 2006 02:19
> 64.140.158.33
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:22 PM
> Subject: Fw: The McLamb Family Needs Your Help!
>
> My dear friends, this is a urgent message from my son, Army Major Agustin
> McLamb-Quinones.
>
> Please read and forward to all your e-mail friends and associates ASAP and
> ask them to help my son and daughter-in-law and children. Their family is
> broken at this time, due to their daughter being recently molested by an Army
> doctor, and yet the Army is sending my son back to Baghdad in 5 days unless
> enough people get in touch with their representatives and my son's
> representatives and military superiors on his behalf. (See below.)
>
> My son's wife Francis has collapsed due to all the stress they are
> experiencing at this time. My little grandchild (10 years old) has also broken down.
> This brought on by the child molester assaulting her 10 year old daughter and
> then he threatened the family with physical harm if the 10 year old told
> anyone, and in addition, she is totally stressed because they can't get any
> assistance from their military "family" (the Army).
>
> My daughter-in-law, is a wonderful mother and wife, but, at present, is not
> capable of handling the children when Augie (my son) is taken away to Iraq in
> the next few days. He is their father and protector. He needs his emergency
> leave extended for a few months to take care of his family until they can
> function once again.
>
> I pray you will help us make as much noise about this case of military
> protecting the child predator and their total lack of concern for Major Augustin
> McLamb's family, and other Army families, in this crisis. We are also very
> concerned that this child predator is still being allowed to see more patients
> at the Army hospital there in Heidelberg. As a retired police investigator I
> can the assure you this is not the first child he has molested and it is
> possible he is still molesting others at this time. As a lawman, I can state it is
> very normal to remove such alleged dangerous criminals from their posts (for
> the protection of the publi...il the investigation is complete. But, for
> some reason the Army is not concerned - accept for protecting the alleged child
> molester, doctor's reputation is seems.
>
> Lord bless you for any assistance you can render. And thank you for sending
> this on to your e-mail list. - Jack McLamb
>
> Here is my son's story of the destruction of his family:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Augie = sonofapatriot@googlemail.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:28 PM
> Subject: The McLamb Family Needs Your Help!
>
> My Dear Friends,
>
> I am in great need of your assistance. I don't believe that I have ever
> asked for anything of this magnitude from any of you but my child's health now
> warrants it. For those of you on this list that I haven't spoken to in awhile,
> please forgive me. Nevertheless, the fact that I have contacted you means
> that I place great value in our friendship. Please read on. Your prayers are
> coveted, but just as importantly are phone calls and e-mails on my family's
> behalf.
>
> Please read below
>
> *****************************************************************************
> *****
>
> Sir/Ma'am,
>
> I am currently in Germany having just returned from my second tour in Iraq
> due to a family emergency.
>
> My daughter was molested when I was in Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom
> One (2003 - 2004). She was only eight years old at the time; she is now ten.
> We felt it best to seek counseling for her in order to help her deal with the
> effects of the abuse.
>
> I deployed to Iraq once again on January 9, 2006. But approximately three
> months prior to my deployment my daughter began experiencing extreme anxiety,
> followed by severe weight loss (she lost give or take 10 lbs). She became
> withdrawn, refused to eat, and showed a multitude of other adverse effects. We
> took her to see several doctors but they could not tell us the causes of her
> apparent illness. Our once bright morning sun appeared to be slowly dying.
>
> My wife and I believed that our daughter was losing the weight and
> experiencing the anxiety because she equated my deployment with what happened to her
> the last time that I left. If only our problems were so simple.
>
> You see, our daughter had been seeing a therapist for approximately a year.
> But rather than getting better under his care, she became worse. Without
> getting into extreme and unnecessary details here, for it will fill up pages, my
> daughter told my wife that her doctor had been abusing her for sometime. Let
> me just list a few of the details that our ten year old daughter shared with
> us:
>
> 1. On numerous occasions the doctor got naked. He also made our 10 year old
> get naked.
>
> 2. He poked and slapped her several times with objects that he kept in his
> office (in a hidden shelf) if she didn't obey him. He additionally fondled
> her, kissed her, and made her touch his genitals.
>
> 3. The doctor told our daughter that I was leaving for Iraq because her Mom
> and Dad were getting a divorce. He also told her that if she ever told anyone
> what they did behind closed doors that he would make sure that I would get
> killed in Iraq.
>
> 4. He told our daughter that if she she told, he would sneak into our home
> and rape and kill her mom, rape and kill her 12 year old sister, and send her
> 14 year old brother to a home.
>
> This "therapist" did and said numerous other things which I will not share
> right now. What I can tell you is that after reporting this to "the
> authorities," the perp is (from I was last told) still working at the Heidelberg Army
> Hospital.
>
> In fact, we were told by a hospital worker just recently that the hospital
> thinks the world of this individual and back him in spite of our allegations.
> This could explain why my family and I are being stonewalled, and why perhaps
> no one has bothered to contact us to follow-up on our daughter's health. In
> other words, we feel that they are "circling the wagons" to protect their own
> behinds but in the process have totally forgotten about my daughter. The
> hospital administration refuses to call or e-mail us. When we call them they
> refuse to come to the phone. In short, I've received better treatment during and
> after a visit to the veterinarian for our dog.
>
> Most law enforcement professionals believe that the average pedophile
> molests approximately 150 children before they are caught. It is therefore
> outrageous that the Heidelberg Army Hospital chain of command has allowed this animal
> to continue seeing patients. I am concerned for other children, but I am
> also concerned that he may be influencing and tampering with possible witnesses
> ( i.e., kids that he may have already molested).
>
> I am also writing to express several concerns about the Criminal
> Investigation Division (CID) agent currently working on my case. I can provide details
> later, but in my opinion he has made some very critical errors during the
> course of the investigation. The Polizei (German Police) seem to think so as
> well.
>
> I am concerned that my daughter's molestation is not being investigated
> professionally and with the proper degree of skill and attention to detail
> required. From what I have seen thus far, my concerns are justified.
>
> Here's an example of the lack of professionalism that I have encountered:
> The Heidelberg CID office had a Neanderthal named Mr. Cadarouse question my
> daughter. She was reluctant to speak to a total stranger and answer his (very
> personal, painful, and private) questions, so he yelled, "WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO
> TALK TO ME?" Does this sound like an experienced professional? It doesn't to
> me. Well, his exceptional attempt to get critical details from my daughter
> didn't work. She in fact closed-up even more.
>
> Finally, but certainly not least, I have been denied assistance by military
> attorneys. I was told by JAG (Judge Advocate General) that since I have a
> complaint against a government employee, I cannot use their services. In other
> words, the child molester gets free government legal assistance, but the
> victim has to go shop for an attorney on the economy. Keep in mind that I am an
> American soldier serving in a foreign country (Germany) and have to hire a
> German attorney.
>
> I never understood the Army's campaign slogan, "An Army of One," until my
> daughter was molested and until I began seeking justice for her. Now I
> completely understand.
>
> My command's chief concern during this ordeal has been my return to Iraq,
> and has given minute support..."Wow, we feel for you" is the standard party
> line. As far as the rest of the military here in Germany is concerned...well,
> think of the Army's recruiting slogan.
>
> Finally, I have pleaded with my command to allow me to remain in Germany
> until my children are done with school in June. At that time I will return my
> family to the states where they can be cared for and protected by a loving
> family. Only after I have ensured my family's safety, and have spent sometime in
> therapy with my daughter to repair her fragile mental and physical state,
> will I return to Iraq to complete my tour. I am not asking to be released from
> my obligations in Iraq, but only for my return to be delayed.
>
> I have never asked anything of this order to the service that I have given
> 19 1/2 years of my life to. Again, all that I am requesting is that I be
> allowed to remain in Germany so that I can guarantee my family's safety and until
> they (particularly my ten year old) is somewhat stable.
>
> I am a currently a member of MNCI (Multi National Corps Iraq) currently
> operating in Iraq. This is my second tour to that country.
>
> If you wish to assist me you can contact my commander directly. He is LTG
> Peter Chiarelli. His e-mail is Peter.chiarelli@us.army.mil.
>
> Another commander that you can contact is LTG Ricardo Sanchez. He has been
> forthcoming with me, but is not the ultimate decision maker. His e-mail is
> ricardo.s.sanchez@us.army.mil.
>
> The Heidelberg Army Hospital commander (who, it appears, made the decision
> to allow the perp to remain in practice, and who will not answer a single
> e-mail from me) is william.novakoski@amedd.army.mil,
> william.novakoski@us.army.mil . Perhaps if you speak to him on my behalf, he may answer your questions.
>
> Whether or not you agree with the following individual's political
> philosophies, I can tell you from experience that they care about the individual
> soldier. They have been very helpful in resolving military issues in the past,
> especially when the military leaders are covering their behinds. I ask that you
> contact these individuals on my behalf as well.
>
> Congressman John P. Murtha: His chief of staff's e-mail address is
> John.Hugya@mail.house.gov.
>
> Congressman Murtha's press person is Cindy Abram. She can be reached at
> Cindy.Abram@mail.house.gov. Her phone number is 1-202-225-2065.
>
> Congressman Charlie Rangel (NYC). His e-mail address is
> info@charlierangel.org. His phone number is 212-862-4990.
>
> Since I am a Texas State resident, I am a constituent of Rep. Tom Delay. I
> do not have his e-mail. If you go to his website you will have to fill out an
> automated e-mail. Anyway, his phone number is 1-202-225-5951. His phone
> number in Texas is 1-281-240-3700.
>
> My Senators are Kay Bailey Hutchinson. She doesn't post her e-mail either
> but her phone number is 202-224-5922. The other Senator is John Cornyn. He
> doesn't post his e-mail address. You have to go through his webpage and fill out
> an electronic form. His phone number is 202-224-2934.
>
> You do not have to limit your contacts to these individuals but can contact
> Representatives in your locale.
>
> Please, this is urgent for I am to report to Iraq on 1 April (in 5 days).
>
> May God Bless you all,
>
> MAJ Agustin McLamb-Quinones
> sonofapatriot@googlemail.com
> ===============================
> Police & Military Against the New World Order
> HC 11, Box 357
> Kamiah, Idaho 83536
>
> (208) 935-7852
>
>
>
>

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:46:00 -0000
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
Subject: FBI Watch List is Unbelievable! tvnl news

HEADLINES and NEWS LINKS Courtesy of TvNewsLies.org
http://tvnewslies.org/news
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Mar.27-2006
DOMESTIC : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#domestic

· Trying to douse terror label - "If I don't believe in the war,
does that make me an anti-U.S. person?"
**Students: FBI lecture displays watch list - the list included
al-Qaeda, Texas separatists, the Earth Liberation Front, the Texas
Communist Party, IndyMedia and Food Not Bombs as suspect groups.
· Group sues to block budget law that never passed House

WAR : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#war

· Baghdad governor says suspends cooperation with US -until an
independent investigation is launched into the killing of 20
Shi'ites in a mosque.
· Many dead in US-Iraq base blast - At least 40 people have been
killed by a car bomb inside a military base housing US and
Iraqi forces near the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.
· Iraq ruling Shi'ites demand control over security
· Wave of Violence Kills at Least 81 Iraqis
· Bush Was Set on Path to War, Memo by British Adviser Says
· US troops arrest Iraq forces - US troops today arrested at least
40 Iraqi Interior Ministry forces who were holding 17 foreigners
in a secret bunker complex, political sources said.
· US forces kill 18 Iraqis in Baghdad, medics say
· Iraqi Police Find 30 Bodies, Most Beheaded

ECONOMY : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news#economy

· Gas Prices Jump Nearly 15 Cents Per Gallon

9/11 News : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#911

· Government gaffes shock 9/11 trial - The death penalty trial
of Zacarias Moussaoui was meant to mete out justice to an
Al-Qaeda "soldier" -- but has so far served largely as an
embarrassing showcase for US government bungling and disfunction
ahead of the September 11 attacks

ENVIRONMENT : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#environment

· Global Warming Might Sink America's Coasts

INTERNATIONAL : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#international

· Anti-Americanism madness, says Blair
· Sudan rejects UN peace force for Darfur

EDITORIAL : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#editorial

· Some Thoughts about Jesus, The Church, My Country, and The
War

JOURNALISM & MEDIA : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#media

· So You Still Think the Press is Free - The corporate media is
not controlled by anyone; they are the tool of the controllers.
Until we realize this we will continue to fall prey to the
controllers. The evidence is there and you can see it every single
day. With every coordinated, timed and choreographed information
dissemination event the single point of media control becomes
more visible to those who choose to open their eyes.

HEALTH & SCIENCE : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#health

· Asthma hits N.E. hard, study finds

OF INTEREST : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#interest

· Church cashes in on water - Nearly half of the church's property
in Clark County has a listed use other than "Non-Profit Religious."
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Read Jesse's Blog every day!
http://www.tvnewslies.org/blog/

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:05:44 -0700
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
Subject: [Fwd: [cia-drugs] Why the No-757 Crowd is Making an Ass out of Itself]

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:09:14 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
From: "Debi Clark" <debiclark@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science

Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/270306sheenstatement.htm

Challenges Press to Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science
Prison Planet.com | March 27 2006
Charlie Sheen felt compelled to respond to one of many hit-pieces against
him, a column written for the London Guardian and carried by British
commonwealth newspapers worldwide. Sheen sent his statement to The
Australian newspaper. This is his full statement minus a phone number to his
manager so that the paper could confirm its authenticity. This is a direct
challenge for them to debate the facts.
Sheen Challenge to Media
I dare you to print this email in it's entirety ...
The mere fact that you did a cut and paste job of the slanderous and idiotic
Marine Hyde London Journal piece, speaks volumes about your credibility as a
major media entity.
Like so many other mainstream outlets, domestically and abroad, no attention
whatsoever is given to the questions I raise or the evidence that stimulated
those very questions.
Instead, low-brow idiotic hit pieces are spewed forth in an effort to sway
the readers' opinion of the messenger while blatantly disregarding any of
the potentially valuable content of the story. It's transparent sandbox
propaganda as dated and cheap as the paper it's printed on.
Do a little research on Building Seven. Building Seven lives at the
epicenter of my entire debate. Prove yourself worthy of genuine
investigative journalism. Look at the video evidence.
Observe the same data I have. Submit a formal request to the Pentagon or the
DOD to release video PROOF that flight 77 did exactly as they claim. You
will be stonewalled. You will be dismissed unconditionally. If there is
nothing to hide - why are they hiding it?
To avoid any confusion - I reiterate:
Building Seven - Pentagon video documentation.
If any portion, or portions of this text is any way deleted or manipulated,
you will only confirm what myself and countless others have suspected all
along: Media complicity with no interest in the truth.
A CNN poll at the time of this writing currently sits at 84 percent IN
SUPPORT of my views.
Say what you must about me - it means nothing.
Yet, if you continue to overlook the hard questions and physical evidence
regarding 9/11 - you only confirm what so many of us "Conspiracy Idiots"
have suspected all along - The Official Report is, at best, an insulting
work of FICTION.
Respectfully,
Charlie Sheen

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:35:25 +0200
From: Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 9/11 remote control 757 - ILS, Instrument Landing System

On Monday 27 March 2006 09:55, APFN wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Davis [mailto:michael@goglobalsky.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:53 AM
> To: kathleen Rosenblatt
> Subject: remote control 757
>
> http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=48
>
> Two of the aircraft exceeded their software limits on 9/11.
>
> The Boeing 757 and 767 are equipped with fully autonomous flight
> capability, they are the only two Boeing commuter aircraft capable of
> fully autonomous flight. They can be programmed to take off, fly to a
> destination and land, completely without a pilot at the controls.
>
> They are intelligent planes, and have software limits pre set so that
> pilot error cannot cause passenger injury. Though they are physically
> capable of high g maneuvers, the software in their flight control systems
> prevents high g maneuvers from being performed via the cockpit controls.
> They are limited to approximately 1.5 g's, I repeat, one and one half
> g's. This is so that a pilot mistake cannot end up breaking grandma's
> neck.
>
> No matter what the pilot wants, he cannot override this feature.
>
> The plane that hit the Pentagon approached or reached its actual
> physical limits, military personnel have calculated that the Pentagon
> plane pulled between five and seven g's in its final turn.
>
> The same is true for the second aircraft to impact the WTC.
>
> There is only one way this can happen.
>
> As well as fully autonomous flight capability, the 767 and 757 are the
> ONLY COMMUTER PLANES MADE BY BOEING THAT CAN BE FLOWN VIA REMOTE CONTROL.
> It is a feature that is standard to all of them, all 757's and 767's can
> do it. The purpose for this is if there is a problem with the pilots,
> Norad can fly the planes to safe destinations via remote. Only in this
> flight mode can those craft exceed their software limits and perform to
> their actual physical limits because a pre existing emergency situation
> is assumed if this mode of flight is used.
>
> Terrorists in fact did not fly those planes, it is totally and
> completely impossible for those planes to have been flown in such a
> manner from the cockpit. Those are commuter aircraft, not F-16's and
> their software knows it.
>
> Another piece of critical evidence: the voice recorders came up blank.
>
> The flight recorders that were recovered had tape that was undamaged
> inside, but it was blank. There is only one way this can happen on a 757
> or 767. When the aircraft are commandeered via remote control, the
> microphones that go to the cockpit voice recorder are re routed to the
> people doing the remote controlling, so that the recording of what
> happened in the cockpit gets made in a presumably safer place. But due to
> a glitch in the system on a 757/767, rather than shutting off when the
> mic is redirected the voice recorder keeps running. The voice recorders
> use what is called a continuous loop tape, which automatically re passes
> itself past the erase and record heads once every half hour, so after a
> half hour of running with the microphones redirected, the tape will be
> blank. Just like the recovered tapes were. Yet more proof that no pilot
> flew those planes in the last half hour.
>
> Eight of the hijackers who were on those planes called up complaining
> that they were still alive. I'd bet you never heard about our foreign
> minister flying to Morocco and issuing an official apology to the
> accused, did you? No, terrorists did not fly those planes, plastic knives
> and box cutters were in fact too ridiculous to be true. Any of the
> remaining accused have certainly been sought out and killed by now.

This article is perfectly right about the technical, except for 1 detail:
No commercial plane has crashed at the Pentagon.

There is another way the "hijackers" could have flown out of software
limits. By replacing the software controlling the plane. But obviously
this can only be done by maintenance crew and during this time, the plane
can obviously not fly...

> Our information IS controlled
>
> The cell phone calls from the aircraft could not have happened. I am a
> National Security Agency trained Electronic Warfare specialist, and am
> qualified to say this. My official title: MOS33Q10, Electronic Warfare
> Intercept Strategic Signal Processing/Storage Systems Specialist, a
> highly skilled MOS which requires advanced knowledge of many
> communications methods and circuits to the most minute level. I am
> officially qualified to place severe doubt that ordinary cell phone calls
> were ever made from the aircraft.
>
> It was impossible for that to have happened, especially in a rural area
> for a number of reasons.
>
> When you make a cell phone call, the first thing that happens is that
> your cell phone needs to contact a transponder. Your cell phone has a max
> transmit power of five watts, three watts is actually the norm. If an
> aircraft is going five hundred miles an hour, your cell phone will not be
> able to 1. Contact a tower, 2. Tell the tower who you are, and who your
> provider is, 3. Tell the tower what mode it wants to communicate with,
> and 4. Establish that it is in a roaming area before it passes out of a
> five watt range. This procedure, called an electronic handshake, takes
> approximately 45 seconds for a cell phone to complete upon initial power
> up in a roaming area because neither the cell phone or cell transponder
> knows where that phone is and what mode it uses when it is turned on. At
> 500 miles an hour, the aircraft will travel three times the range of a
> cell phone's five watt transmitter before this handshaking can occur.
> Though it is sometimes possible to connect during takeoff and landing,
> under the situation that was claimed the calls were impossible. The calls
> from the airplane were faked, no if's or buts.
>
> I hope I made sense, if you have questions I will respond if possible.
> If I do not respond, please research this out yourself, search the boeing
> site, search the DARPA site, search were you have not searched before.
> Some of the information is classified and leaked by individuals, and it
> is also being scoured from the net. I have all of the original documents
> on my computer to safeguard against this.
>
> Please do not ignore this, because only Norad has the flight codes for
> those aircraft, we did 911 to ourselves. Hitler had the Reichstag, we
> have 911. If 911 proves to not be enough to make the US citizenry set
> aside its rights for safety, the people who did 911 most certainly have
> access to nuclear material. 911 must be exposed for what it was before
> that material is used. "

Perfectly right !

And there is even more to this: the metallic fuselage of the plane would
additionnally short-circuit the electromagnetic waves emitted by the mobile
phone and the base station.

Except for the side-windows, a commercial airplane is an almost perfect
faraday cage...

--
Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:40:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Legere <sledger911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science

It's time to take the gloves off Charlie!!! YOU ARE DA MAN! You want to know how to respond to critics of the movement? Read his letter verbatim to who ever trys to shoot us down!! WE ARE ON A ROLL!

It's been so frustarating for me in the last 2 years... But now I not only feel there's still hope... I know TRUTH WILL PREVAIL... shit I'm welling up with pride... I WILL NEVER STOP!! :) EVER!

And I hope none of you will let up either. For the furture of my kids and yours

NEVER STOP!

Scott Ledger

Debi Clark <debiclark@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/270306sheenstatement.htm

Challenges Press to Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science
Prison Planet.com | March 27 2006
Charlie Sheen felt compelled to respond to one of many hit-pieces against him, a column written for the London Guardian and carried by British commonwealth newspapers worldwide. Sheen sent his statement to The Australian newspaper. This is his full statement minus a phone number to his manager so that the paper could confirm its authenticity. This is a direct challenge for them to debate the facts.
Sheen Challenge to Media
I dare you to print this email in it's entirety ...
The mere fact that you did a cut and paste job of the slanderous and idiotic Marine Hyde London Journal piece, speaks volumes about your credibility as a major media entity.
Like so many other mainstream outlets, domestically and abroad, no attention whatsoever is given to the questions I raise or the evidence that stimulated those very questions.
Instead, low-brow idiotic hit pieces are spewed forth in an effort to sway the readers' opinion of the messenger while blatantly disregarding any of the potentially valuable content of the story. It's transparent sandbox propaganda as dated and cheap as the paper it's printed on.
Do a little research on Building Seven. Building Seven lives at the epicenter of my entire debate. Prove yourself worthy of genuine investigative journalism. Look at the video evidence.
Observe the same data I have. Submit a formal request to the Pentagon or the DOD to release video PROOF that flight 77 did exactly as they claim. You will be stonewalled. You will be dismissed unconditionally. If there is nothing to hide - why are they hiding it?
To avoid any confusion - I reiterate:
Building Seven - Pentagon video documentation.
If any portion, or portions of this text is any way deleted or manipulated, you will only confirm what myself and countless others have suspected all along: Media complicity with no interest in the truth.
A CNN poll at the time of this writing currently sits at 84 percent IN SUPPORT of my views.
Say what you must about me - it means nothing.
Yet, if you continue to overlook the hard questions and physical evidence regarding 9/11 - you only confirm what so many of us "Conspiracy Idiots" have suspected all along - The Official Report is, at best, an insulting work of FICTION.
Respectfully,
Charlie Sheen

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:51:03 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
From: "Cait" <ansith@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science

I agree!

I sent a letter to Alex this morning saying "thank you" for pushing this so
hard. I'm on a few message boards, currently embroiled in bitter debates
about 9/11.. and there are times i just want to pull out my hair and scream
at the stupidity I'm seeing. 90% of the rebuttals to my posts are nothing
but juvenile name calling, that unfortunately do wear a person down after
awhile.

But seeing the Showbiz tonight airings and listening to Alex's show have
given me another boost to keep pushing this until its finally out in the
open.

I admit, I'm scared, I've had a few threats over all of this and I do
wonder if I'm not on some FBI watch list and I have a lot at stake, there
have been times when the easier thing to do would be to just be quiet and go
away.

But then I see my kids and know that I can't stop. They don't deserve to
live in a police state of a bankrupt and defunct government.

We will win!

-------Original Message-------

From: Scott Legere
Date: 03/27/06 13:43:22
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London
Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science

It's time to take the gloves off Charlie!!! YOU ARE DA MAN! You want to know
how to respond to critics of the movement? Read his letter verbatim to who
ever trys to shoot us down!! WE ARE ON A ROLL!

It's been so frustarating for me in the last 2 years... But now I not only
feel there's still hope... I know TRUTH WILL PREVAIL... shit I'm welling up
with pride... I WILL NEVER STOP!! :) EVER!

And I hope none of you will let up either. For the furture of my kids and
yours

NEVER STOP!

Scott Ledger

Debi Clark <debiclark@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/270306sheenstatement.htm

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:16:23 -0000
From: "mojo_j_2000" <mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: remote control 757 (ref: 9/11)---BRILLIANT

BRILLIANT

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> From: ImpeachGeorgeWBush@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ImpeachGeorgeWBush@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ilene
Proctor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Davis [mailto:michael@...]
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:53 AM
> To: kathleen Rosenblatt
> Subject: remote control 757
>
> http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=48
> <http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=48>
>
> Two of the aircraft exceeded their software limits on 9/11.
>
> The Boeing 757 and 767 are equipped with fully autonomous flight
capability,
> they are the only two Boeing commuter aircraft capable of fully
autonomous
> flight. They can be programmed to take off, fly to a destination
and land,
> completely without a pilot at the controls.
>
> They are intelligent planes, and have software limits pre set so
that pilot
> error cannot cause passenger injury. Though they are physically
capable of
> high g maneuvers, the software in their flight control systems
prevents high
> g maneuvers from being performed via the cockpit controls. They
are limited
> to approximately 1.5 g's, I repeat, one and one half g's. This is
so that a
> pilot mistake cannot end up breaking grandma's neck.
>
> No matter what the pilot wants, he cannot override this feature.
>
> The plane that hit the Pentagon approached or reached its actual
physical
> limits, military personnel have calculated that the Pentagon plane
pulled
> between five and seven g's in its final turn.
>
> The same is true for the second aircraft to impact the WTC.
>
> There is only one way this can happen.
>
> As well as fully autonomous flight capability, the 767 and 757 are
the ONLY
> COMMUTER PLANES MADE BY BOEING THAT CAN BE FLOWN VIA REMOTE
CONTROL. It is a
> feature that is standard to all of them, all 757's and 767's can
do it. The
> purpose for this is if there is a problem with the pilots, Norad
can fly the
> planes to safe destinations via remote. Only in this flight mode
can those
> craft exceed their software limits and perform to their actual
physical
> limits because a pre existing emergency situation is assumed if
this mode of
> flight is used.
>
> Terrorists in fact did not fly those planes, it is totally and
completely
> impossible for those planes to have been flown in such a manner
from the
> cockpit. Those are commuter aircraft, not F-16's and their
software knows
> it.
>
> Another piece of critical evidence: the voice recorders came up
blank.
>
> The flight recorders that were recovered had tape that was
undamaged inside,
> but it was blank. There is only one way this can happen on a 757
or 767.
> When the aircraft are commandeered via remote control, the
microphones that
> go to the cockpit voice recorder are re routed to the people doing
the
> remote controlling, so that the recording of what happened in the
cockpit
> gets made in a presumably safer place. But due to a glitch in the
system on
> a 757/767, rather than shutting off when the mic is redirected the
voice
> recorder keeps running. The voice recorders use what is called a
continuous
> loop tape, which automatically re passes itself past the erase and
record
> heads once every half hour, so after a half hour of running with
the
> microphones redirected, the tape will be blank. Just like the
recovered
> tapes were. Yet more proof that no pilot flew those planes in the
last half
> hour.
>
> Eight of the hijackers who were on those planes called up
complaining that
> they were still alive. I'd bet you never heard about our foreign
minister
> flying to Morocco and issuing an official apology to the accused,
did you?
> No, terrorists did not fly those planes, plastic knives and box
cutters were
> in fact too ridiculous to be true. Any of the remaining accused
have
> certainly been sought out and killed by now.
>
> Our information IS controlled
>
> The cell phone calls from the aircraft could not have happened. I
am a
> National Security Agency trained Electronic Warfare specialist,
and am
> qualified to say this. My official title: MOS33Q10, Electronic
Warfare
> Intercept Strategic Signal Processing/Storage Systems Specialist,
a highly
> skilled MOS which requires advanced knowledge of many
communications methods
> and circuits to the most minute level. I am officially qualified
to place
> severe doubt that ordinary cell phone calls were ever made from the
> aircraft.
>
> It was impossible for that to have happened, especially in a rural
area for
> a number of reasons.
>
> When you make a cell phone call, the first thing that happens is
that your
> cell phone needs to contact a transponder. Your cell phone has a
max
> transmit power of five watts, three watts is actually the norm. If
an
> aircraft is going five hundred miles an hour, your cell phone will
not be
> able to 1. Contact a tower, 2. Tell the tower who you are, and who
your
> provider is, 3. Tell the tower what mode it wants to communicate
with, and
> 4. Establish that it is in a roaming area before it passes out of
a five
> watt range. This procedure, called an electronic handshake, takes
> approximately 45 seconds for a cell phone to complete upon initial
power up
> in a roaming area because neither the cell phone or cell
transponder knows
> where that phone is and what mode it uses when it is turned on. At
500 miles
> an hour, the aircraft will travel three times the range of a cell
phone's
> five watt transmitter before this handshaking can occur. Though it
is
> sometimes possible to connect during takeoff and landing, under the
> situation that was claimed the calls were impossible. The calls
from the
> airplane were faked, no if's or buts.
>
> I hope I made sense, if you have questions I will respond if
possible. If I
> do not respond, please research this out yourself, search the
boeing site,
> search the DARPA site, search were you have not searched before.
Some of the
> information is classified and leaked by individuals, and it is
also being
> scoured from the net. I have all of the original documents on my
computer to
> safeguard against this.
>
> Please do not ignore this, because only Norad has the flight codes
for those
> aircraft, we did 911 to ourselves. Hitler had the Reichstag, we
have 911. If
> 911 proves to not be enough to make the US citizenry set aside its
rights
> for safety, the people who did 911 most certainly have access to
nuclear
> material. 911 must be exposed for what it was before that material
is used.
> "
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:21:40 -0000
From: "mojo_j_2000" <mojo_j_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science

...NEO-CONS ARE JUST DELIVERY BOYS SENT BY BANKSTERS TO COLLECT A
BILL...

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Scott Legere <sledger911@...>
wrote:
>
> It's time to take the gloves off Charlie!!! YOU ARE DA MAN! You
want to know how to respond to critics of the movement? Read his
letter verbatim to who ever trys to shoot us down!! WE ARE ON A
ROLL!
>
> It's been so frustarating for me in the last 2 years... But now
I not only feel there's still hope... I know TRUTH WILL PREVAIL...
shit I'm welling up with pride... I WILL NEVER STOP!! :) EVER!
>
> And I hope none of you will let up either. For the furture of my
kids and yours
>
> NEVER STOP!
>
> Scott Ledger
>
> Debi Clark <debiclark@...> wrote:
> EAF615C5-5C8C-11D4-AF90-0050DAC67E11 v1.0 Letter
Letter\Simply_Serine.imf Papers Stationery Simply Serine
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0050DAC68030 0 X-ASN,X-ASH,X-AN,X-AP,X-AD ;
> Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian
>
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/270306sheenstatement.h
tm
>
> Challenges Press to Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science
> Prison Planet.com | March 27 2006
> Charlie Sheen felt compelled to respond to one of many hit-
pieces against him, a column written for the London Guardian and
carried by British commonwealth newspapers worldwide. Sheen sent his
statement to The Australian newspaper. This is his full statement
minus a phone number to his manager so that the paper could confirm
its authenticity. This is a direct challenge for them to debate the
facts.
> Sheen Challenge to Media
> I dare you to print this email in it's entirety ...
> The mere fact that you did a cut and paste job of the slanderous
and idiotic Marine Hyde London Journal piece, speaks volumes about
your credibility as a major media entity.
> Like so many other mainstream outlets, domestically and abroad,
no attention whatsoever is given to the questions I raise or the
evidence that stimulated those very questions.
> Instead, low-brow idiotic hit pieces are spewed forth in an
effort to sway the readers' opinion of the messenger while blatantly
disregarding any of the potentially valuable content of the story.
It's transparent sandbox propaganda as dated and cheap as the paper
it's printed on.
> Do a little research on Building Seven. Building Seven lives at
the epicenter of my entire debate. Prove yourself worthy of genuine
investigative journalism. Look at the video evidence.
> Observe the same data I have. Submit a formal request to the
Pentagon or the DOD to release video PROOF that flight 77 did
exactly as they claim. You will be stonewalled. You will be
dismissed unconditionally. If there is nothing to hide - why are
they hiding it?
> To avoid any confusion - I reiterate:
> Building Seven - Pentagon video documentation.
> If any portion, or portions of this text is any way deleted or
manipulated, you will only confirm what myself and countless others
have suspected all along: Media complicity with no interest in the
truth.
> A CNN poll at the time of this writing currently sits at 84
percent IN SUPPORT of my views.
> Say what you must about me - it means nothing.
> Yet, if you continue to overlook the hard questions and physical
evidence regarding 9/11 - you only confirm what so many of
us "Conspiracy Idiots" have suspected all along - The Official
Report is, at best, an insulting work of FICTION.
> Respectfully,
> Charlie Sheen
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:29:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Legere <sledger911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science

Hey MOJO I know how deep the Rabbit Hole goes there sparky. K?

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:50:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science

We are ALL on fb lie watchlists! And we should ALL considor that a very HIGH HONOR! We are fighting the most diabolical form of vermin on this earth. We are good and they are the epitome of evil. They are the most vile and retched sewer scum in the world. they commit acts of pure evil and call it GOOD! They say that GOOD PEOPLE are evil. I think that someone talked about their ilk a little more than 2000 years ago.

Cait <ansith@gmail.com> wrote: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 v1.0 ; I agree!

I sent a letter to Alex this morning saying "thank you" for pushing this so hard. I'm on a few message boards, currently embroiled in bitter debates about 9/11.. and there are times i just want to pull out my hair and scream at the stupidity I'm seeing. 90% of the rebuttals to my posts are nothing but juvenile name calling, that unfortunately do wear a person down after awhile.

But seeing the Showbiz tonight airings and listening to Alex's show have given me another boost to keep pushing this until its finally out in the open.

I admit, I'm scared, I've had a few threats over all of this and I do wonder if I'm not on some FBI watch list and I have a lot at stake, there have been times when the easier thing to do would be to just be quiet and go away.

But then I see my kids and know that I can't stop. They don't deserve to live in a police state of a bankrupt and defunct government.

We will win!

-------Original Message-------

From: Scott Legere
Date: 03/27/06 13:43:22
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science

Debi Clark <debiclark@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/270306sheenstatement.htm

Challenges Press to Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science
Prison Planet.com | March 27 2006
Charlie Sheen felt compelled to respond to one of many hit-pieces against him, a column written for the London Guardian and carried by British commonwealth newspapers worldwide. Sheen sent his statement to The Australian newspaper. This is his full statement minus a phone number to his manager so that the paper could confirm its authenticity. This is a direct challenge for them to debate the facts.
Sheen Challenge to Media
I dare you to print this email in it's entirety ...
The mere fact that you did a cut and paste job of the slanderous and idiotic Marine Hyde London Journal piece, speaks volumes about your credibility as a major media entity.
Like so many other mainstream outlets, domestically and abroad, no attention whatsoever is given to the questions I raise or the evidence that stimulated those very questions.
Instead, low-brow idiotic hit pieces are spewed forth in an effort to sway the readers' opinion of the messenger while blatantly disregarding any of the potentially valuable content of the story. It's transparent sandbox propaganda as dated and cheap as the paper it's printed on.
Do a little research on Building Seven. Building Seven lives at the epicenter of my entire debate. Prove yourself worthy of genuine investigative journalism. Look at the video evidence.
Observe the same data I have. Submit a formal request to the Pentagon or the DOD to release video PROOF that flight 77 did exactly as they claim. You will be stonewalled. You will be dismissed unconditionally. If there is nothing to hide - why are they hiding it?
To avoid any confusion - I reiterate:
Building Seven - Pentagon video documentation.
If any portion, or portions of this text is any way deleted or manipulated, you will only confirm what myself and countless others have suspected all along: Media complicity with no interest in the truth.
A CNN poll at the time of this writing currently sits at 84 percent IN SUPPORT of my views.
Say what you must about me - it means nothing.
Yet, if you continue to overlook the hard questions and physical evidence regarding 9/11 - you only confirm what so many of us "Conspiracy Idiots" have suspected all along - The Official Report is, at best, an insulting work of FICTION.
Respectfully,
Charlie Sheen

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:53:33 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
From: "Debi Clark" <debiclark@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Fw: The Missile- Probably Was a Hellfire AGM-114N w/ *Thermobaric Warhead* ,Purpose of the Missiles,Blast/Fragmentation,Shaped Charge ,

This was a forward I received this morning. Could anyone tell me whether or
not these missiles have cameras attached to them?

*Thermobaric Warhead* ,Purpose of the Missiles,Blast/Fragmentation,Shaped
Charge

(Missiles Clip 1)
(Missiles Clip 2)

Missile Probably Was a Hellfire AGM-114N with *Thermobaric Warhead*

Based on the information Phil supplied and some research we may have
identified the EXACT type of missles used in the WTC attacks.

This is a very long post, but has a lot of information in it because of the
importance of the subject.

Phil wrote:

Quote:

And is currently researching missile by missile, but for now is thinking the
missile we see is a hellfire missile. He has informed me that these missiles
have a few distinctions from other missiles.

1. They burn all their fuel before leaving the tube.

2. They are higly programmable, to perform different tasks/feats.

3. It is the right size and shape. Approximatey 5-6 feet long.

Reponse to Phil's comments:

1) Burn Time: variously reported from 1.5 to 3.0 seconds
2) Very programmable for long-distance attacks, but not arms-length
3) Length: 64 – 71 inches (163 – 180 cm) = 6'2" - 6'11"

hdhntr has written often:

Quote:
It is a fuel-air-exposive missile.

The specific model probably used in the WTC attacks: Hellfire AGM-114N Metal
Augmented Charge

Purpose of the Missiles

The purpose of the missles has perplexed me since I saw it first at
LetsRoll! The small missiles, like those we see on the videos, usually have
either blast/fragmentation or shaped charge warheads.

Blast/Fragmentation

Blast/fragmentation warheads are used against personnel and “soft” targets
and produce a fairly large blast with many fragments that are lethal beyond
the lethality range the blast. blast/fragmentation warhead would help
explode the jet fuel fireball, but only about 10 lbs (4.5 kg) of actual
explosive would be added to the fireball. That amount of explosive could
easily be put into the nose of the specially modifed 767-300 tanker.
Fragmentation would cause no significant damage to the towers except to the
interiors, and of course, to the murdered victims.

Shaped Charge

A shaped charge warhead is used to defeat armour and hardened targets and
burns a fist-sized hole through the armour with an explosive jet. More
modern versions of shaped-charged warheads have a dual-charge to defeat
reactive armour. Reactive armour has explosive blocks fitted to the outside
of the armour so when a shaped charge strikes an explosive block it
detonates and counteracts the explosive jet, reducing the shaped charge. In
a dual-charge warhead, the first small explosive charge strikes a reactive
armour explosive block, detonates the block, and then the shaped-charge
punches through the armour. Dual-charge warheads are used against standard
armour – the first charge only causes minimal damage.

A shaped-charge warhead would detonate on an exterior vertical box column or
horizontal spandrel plate, unless it went through a window – then it would
detonate when it would hit something hard enough to trigger the fuse. The
result would be a fist-size hole through steel. That type of damage would
have no effect on the towers.

The purpose of a thermobaric warhead is readily understandable, but still
leaves one question.

Thermobaric Warheads

A hyperbaric warhead would signficantly multiply the fireball of the +10,000
gallons (38,000 l) of jet fuel, plus the blast of the warhead itself. In
effect, the combination produces a huge fue-air-explosive (FAE) bomb.

A thermobaric warhead offically is a Metal Augmented Charge (MAC) warhead.
It is basically an advanced version of the fuel-air explosive (FAE). Unlike
conventional explosives which is a solid occupying a relatively small volume
a fuel-air explosive first sprays napalm (or another liqued fuel) to form a
cloud which is then detonated with explosives. A FAE is 12 – 16 times more
powerful than a an equal weight of conventional explosive since the napalm
is spread over a much larger volume. FAEs require, and make use of, the
oxygen in air to explode.

Note: An exploding airliner's fuel tanks do not create a FAE since there is
no explosive component.

Inside the warhead, a fluorinated aluminum powder is layered between the
warhead casing and the PBXN-112 explosive fill. When the PBXN-112 detonates,
the aluminum mixture is dispersed and rapidly burns. When aluminum is in
very small particles it will burn when heated to a high temperature.
Aluminum is a pyrophoric metal like magnesium or depleted uranium. The
resultant sustained high pressure is extremely effective against enemy
personnel and structures.

Effect on the Towers

A key question is whether the warheads exploded on the outside or the inside
of the towers? I do not think a Hellfire AGM-114N warhead could penetrate
the exterior box columns or spandrel plates. A window – yes.

A thermobaric-fuel-air-explosive would have these effects (subject to
debate) on the towers:

• Produces primarily a FAE explosive with some fireball instead of only a
fireball.

• The size of the apparent fireball would be increased due to the explosive
effect.

• An explosion would be produced resulting in the sound of an explosion. I
remember a sound analysis that indicates the sound of an explosion for one
or both strikes.

• The explosive blast would puliverize interior gypsum walls and maybe could
pulverize the low density (light weight) concrete in the floors. This would
produce the pulverized gray dust seen in photos and videos. Question is if
the overpressure of a FAE would be sufficient to pulverize low density
concrete?

• The explosive blast would produce the blast seen traveling outwards from
the towers – in the opposite direction of the 767’s travel.

• A vacuum should have been produced, which would result in air rushing back
into the vacuum. Do we see any smoke being sucked back into the building
immediately after the plane strikes?

• The explosive blast would kill more victims in the towers. Note that
unless somone where hit by the impacting aircraft or flying debris they
could survive – even in close proximity (unless killed by the fireball).
Some Pentagon survivors were only three windows away from the strike
location.

• The explosive blast would blow out numerous windows.

My question is: Why produce a thermobaric-fuel-air-explosive?

We know that the towers were collapsed by controlled demolitions –
increasing the strike damage could reesult in unintended consequences. Was
the purpose simply to increase the size of the fireball for black psy-ops
purposes?

From the Associated Press:

http://207.44.245.159/article3387.htm

Quote:
Rumsfeld: U.S. Used New Missile in Iraq

05/15/03: WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. tactics in the war with Iraq - including
use of a new kind of missile that kills people without destroying buildings
- demonstrate why the military must evolve into a lighter, faster force,
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Wednesday.

<snip>

American troops in Iraq made first use of a new kind of helicopter-launched
Hellfire missile, Rumsfeld said. The AGM-114N Metal Augmented Charge
Hellfire uses a thermobaric warhead, which creates a blast wave that kills
people while leaving a building, bunker or cave intact.

Rumsfeld said the new missile ``can take out the first floor of a building
without damaging the floors above, and is capable of reaching around corners
striking enemy forces that hide in caves or bunkers and hardened multiroom
complexes.''

Marine Corps AH-1 Cobra helicopters used the missile in Iraq. The Pentagon
spent $14.8 million developing the new warhead after Marine Corps officials
asked for a weapon that would be more effective against enemies in confined
spaces such as bunkers or the interior rooms of a large building.

Putting a thermobaric warhead on a Hellfire costs $35,000 above the $57,000
cost for each basic missile.
<snip>

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NAVAIR Designs, Builds More Potent Hellfire Warhead

Story Number: NNS030723-23
Release Date: 7/23/2003 9:07:00 PM
From NAVAIR China Lake Public Affairs

CHINA LAKE, Calif. (NNS) -- Marine assault units in Operation Iraqi Freedom
are packing Hellfire missiles equipped with a new metal-augmented-charge
(MAC) warhead designed, developed and built at Naval Air Systems Command
(NAVAIR) China Lake.

<snip>

Unlike conventional warheads, which have a sharp pressure spike that decays
rapidly, the MAC has a sustained pressure wave. That pressure propagates
throughout a structure to extend the lethal effects of the warhead
detonation.

<snip>

Inside the 27.5-pound warhead, a fluorinated aluminum powder is layered
between the warhead casing and the PBXN-112 explosive fill. When the
PBXN-112 detonates, the aluminum mixture is dispersed and rapidly burns. The
resultant sustained high pressure is extremely effective against enemy
personnel and structures.

<snip>

Sewell also quoted the Marine Corps aviator who was the first to use the new
Hellfire warhead in combat. '"That thing was awesome,’ the Marine said. ‘I
thought it was a 2,000-pound JDAM going off.'"

Thermobaric Warhead Effects

From: Inside the Navy
www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/index-08.htm

Quote:
MARINE CORPS EYES PORTABLE THERMOBARIC WARHEAD FOR URBAN OPS

August 26, 2002
By Malina Brown

Naval researchers are developing a portable version of the thermobaric bombs
employed to clear caves and bunkers in Afghanistan for the Marine Corps to
use in urban combat.

Thermobaric weapons are fuel-rich explosives that suck air from its target,
creating a lethal combination of heat and pressure that burns longer than
conventional explosives. The weapons are effective on hardened, underground
facilities, which are among the most difficult targets to eliminate.

<snip>

Aside from using the warheads in such confined spaces as caves, tunnels and
bunkers, the Marines plan to use the thermobaric weapons on urban structures
including buildings and sewers, said Bowers. Thermobaric warheads “tend to
have more enhanced blast effects,” said Bowers, leading to the blast of
multiple rooms from one explosion, a decisive advantage over conventional
weapons.
<snip>

From ADF (Australian Defense Force) Health journal:
http://tinyurl.com/5adax

Quote:

Aspects of thermobaric weaponry
Dr Anna E Wildegger-Gaissmaier, PhD

Vol 4 April 2003

OVER THE LAST TWO DECADES Russia has developed anew family of weapons based
on incendiary and blast effects.Thermobaric weapons have been part of that
development. As the name implies they are optimised for heat and pressure
effects, whereas typical Western weapon development has been focused on
achieving improved fragmentation/penetration effects. Thermobaric weapons
are a subcomponent of a larger family of weapon systems commonly known as
volumetric weapons, which also include fuel-air explosives. The
characteristics of this weapon category are the creation of a large fireball
and good blast performance. Recent conflicts have seen increased use of
thermobaric weapons. Russia has employed this type of weaponry extensively
in Afghanistan and Chechnya.

<snip>

Thermobaric weapons are able to overcome shortcomings of conventional
blast/fragmentation and shaped-charge munitionsfor specific targets. For
example, conventional shaped-charge, shoulder-launched rockets effective
against armoured vehicles have had only limited success against buildings,
field fortifications, machine gun posts and the like. The high velocity
metal jet created by a shaped charge has a very narrow damage radius and
travels in a straight line. Blast waves, on the other hand, can travel
around corners and their effect is not based on penetration.

<snip>

The current conflict in Afghanistan resulted in the US developing a
thermobaric warhead for the Hellfire anti-armour weapon and the BLU-118/B4
thermobaric bomb. Similar developments are taking place inthe UK. This
article discusses the basic physics of the thermobaric weapon, target
effects and countermeasures and the injuriesproduced by thermobaric weaponry

Thermobaric weaponry basics

Detonation of a high explosive device produces a rapid, localised energy
release. The formation of a blast wave, thermal radiation,break-up of the
munition casing and acceleration of the fragments dissipate this energy. In
the case of conventional blast/fragmentation warheads, a large part of the
energy is taken up by the break-up of the casing and acceleration of the
fragments.Thermobaric weaponry usually has very thin casing and most of the
energy ends up as fireball and blast/shock wave.

<snip>

Thermobaric weapons are explosives optimised to produce heat and pressure
effects instead of armour-penetrating or fragmentation damage effects.

• Use and development of thermobaric weapons have increased over the last
decade.

• The weapons are particularly effective in enclosed spaces such as tunnels,
buildings and field fortifications. Fireball and blast can travel around
corners and penetrate areas inaccessible to bomb fragments. Blast waves are
intensified when reflected by walls and other surfaces.

• The primary injury mechanisms are blast and heat, with secondary effects
through flying fragments and toxic detonation gases.

<snip>

Weapons release in explosions occurs over microseconds and is governed by
the detonation velocity of the explosive. Detonation velocities of
thermobaric explosives (3–4km/s) are similar to those of mining blast
explosives, and considerably lower than those of military high explosives
(about 8km/s).

Explosives used in thermobaric weapons are generally oxygen-deficient;
additional oxygen from the air is required to achieve complete combustion of
the charge. Only part of the energy is released during the initial
detonation phase, which hgenerates high levels of fuel-rich products that
undergo “after-burning” when mixed with the shock-heated air. The energy
released through after-burning and combustion lengthens the duration of
blast overpressure and increases the fireball. Inconventional
blast/fragmentation TNT-based munitions, no significant after-

burn occurs. Fragments inhibit the mixing of detonation gases with air and
the rapid expansion of the detonation has a cooling effect before mixing
with atmospheric oxygen occurs. All explosions form a blast wave, which
travels faster than the speed of sound. A shock front originates at the
interface between detonation products and the surrounding atmosphere.There
is a dramatic increase in pressure across the shock front (time t1on the
graph), which has a crushing effect on objects in addition to an
instantaneous lateral force. The peak overpressure is much higher for the
high explosive detonation than for the thermobaric detonation, but this
pressure drops much more rapidly. The positive phase is followed by a
negative phase below atmospheric pressure. The negative phase results in a
reversed-blast wind and causes human targets to be bodily lifted and thrown.
This phase can be longer in a thermobaric detonation than a high explosive
detonation.

Thus, despite the lower initial blast pressure, the total impulse can be
comparable or even higher for thermobaric explosives compared with high
explosives. Target effects are dependent on eak blast overpressure as well
as on the duration (impulse) of the event

<snip>

The target effect changes when explosives are used in a confined space.
Fireball and blast wave can travel around corners and penetrate into areas
where fragments cannot. Fragments can be stopped by walls, sandbags and
personnel protection. Furthermore, blast waves are intensified when
reflected by walls and other surfaces. Personnel inside a confined space
will be subjected to much higher pressure and impulse levels than they would
at the same distance from the charge in an open environment.

<snip>

Hellfire Missile Basic Specifications

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:19:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian ~ Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science

AYE!

black is white, white is black........

oh shooshh kevin, they are the ministry of love don't you know???

Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
We are ALL on fb lie watchlists! And we should ALL considor that a very HIGH HONOR! We are fighting the most diabolical form of vermin on this earth. We are good and they are the epitome of evil. They are the most vile and retched sewer scum in the world. they commit acts of pure evil and call it GOOD! They say that GOOD PEOPLE are evil. I think that someone talked about their ilk a little more than 2000 years ago.

Debi Clark <debiclark@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/270306sheenstatement.htm

Challenges Press to Stop Slinging Mud, Confront The Science
Prison Planet.com | March 27 2006
Charlie Sheen felt compelled to respond to one of many hit-pieces against him, a column written for the London Guardian and carried by British commonwealth newspapers worldwide. Sheen sent his statement to The Australian newspaper. This is his full statement minus a phone number to his manager so that the paper could confirm its authenticity. This is a direct challenge for them to debate the facts.
Sheen Challenge to Media
I dare you to print this email in it's entirety ...
The mere fact that you did a cut and paste job of the slanderous and idiotic Marine Hyde London Journal piece, speaks volumes about your credibility as a major media entity.
Like so many other mainstream outlets, domestically and abroad, no attention whatsoever is given to the questions I raise or the evidence that stimulated those very questions.
Instead, low-brow idiotic hit pieces are spewed forth in an effort to sway the readers' opinion of the messenger while blatantly disregarding any of the potentially valuable content of the story. It's transparent sandbox propaganda as dated and cheap as the paper it's printed on.
Do a little research on Building Seven. Building Seven lives at the epicenter of my entire debate. Prove yourself worthy of genuine investigative journalism. Look at the video evidence.
Observe the same data I have. Submit a formal request to the Pentagon or the DOD to release video PROOF that flight 77 did exactly as they claim. You will be stonewalled. You will be dismissed unconditionally. If there is nothing to hide - why are they hiding it?
To avoid any confusion - I reiterate:
Building Seven - Pentagon video documentation.
If any portion, or portions of this text is any way deleted or manipulated, you will only confirm what myself and countless others have suspected all along: Media complicity with no interest in the truth.
A CNN poll at the time of this writing currently sits at 84 percent IN SUPPORT of my views.
Say what you must about me - it means nothing.
Yet, if you continue to overlook the hard questions and physical evidence regarding 9/11 - you only confirm what so many of us "Conspiracy Idiots" have suspected all along - The Official Report is, at best, an insulting work of FICTION.
Respectfully,
Charlie Sheen

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:45:20 -0700
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
Subject: Bill Maher - IRAQ WAR AND THE GOOD TIMES.....

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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:39:28 -0800
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: rebuttal [Fwd: [cia-drugs] Why the No-757 Crowd is Making an Ass out of Itself]

This individual missed the most important witnesses who saw two planes (not including the C-130); he missed the real evidence behind the Faram debris piece; he missed the fact that there is no penetration hole in the wall that would accomodate a starboard wing engine; he ignores what the security video camera showed (missile smoke and small-jet tail fin); and the implications of the location of one of the downed poles in light of Lagasse's statement.

They always defeat the same straw men over and over again -- never touching my evidence. You will not that his anonymous job comes from the old Ruppert list cia-drugs -- a group who banned me because they simply could not stand up to me.

Remember, they are people who are not letting me debate them and they are people who are posting anonymously.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington

http://bedoper.com/eastman

by Dick Eastman 2002 (APFN) -- arguments still standing
Part 1 http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
Part 2 http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm
Part 3 http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm
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I answer her conclusions below:

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Part 12 - Conclusion
In the end if someone chooses not to believe it, then of course I cannot prove with 100% certainty that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. However, I have proven the following things, which seem to make a couple of dents into the works of most of the well-known 9/11 gurus:
1. Claims that the Pentagon hole is (much) too small for a 757-223 are false.

The hole on the second floor at pillar #14 is indeed wide enough to accomodate a Boeing 757 fuselage. However there is no damage above the second floor -- damage that would have had to have been there if a Boeing 757 had crashed. Also, there is no signs of penetration on the first floor between columns 16 and 17, where a starboard engine would have had to have penetrated. The pillars are tilting, but unbroken.

2. Claims that witnesses have said they saw a missile are false.

Straw man. No one sees missiles. HOWEVER, the security camera captured the trail of a missile being fired from the killer jet. see http://bedoper.com/eastman What some witnesses saw was two planes. In particular, Kelly Knowles saw two planes approaching at slightly different angles, the second plane veering away at the last moment -- and Keith Wheelhouse and his sister who saw another plane flying near the plane that crashed.
http://www.bedoper.com/eastman/witnesses/index.html

3. Claims that witnesses have said they saw a small plane and implying a significant amount did the same are misleading.

see above

4. Claims that witnesses have said the plane was quiet were an extreme minority and are brought to the public in a misleading way. As usual, the context has never been addressed. (In the car, windows shut, radio on. One person said it was the shock)

these claims are unimportant and undecisive

5. Claims that a Global Hawk or a F-16 hit the Pentagon aren't backed up by any witnesses. So why have these theories been put forward in the first place?

Jeff, whose father was an Admiral and whose brother works for an Admiral -- and who believes the official story! - was watching the WTC event on television when he saw an F-16 and a C-130 fly by the Pentagon five minutes before the crash -- which got his attention -- he claims to have seen the Boeing crash.

6. Quotes from the aftermath of the crash site are no proof something else than a 757 hit the building. As you can read in the quotes I gathered, even a few people who saw a large airliner dive into the building wondered about the relatively small amount of visible damage it did.

Most witnesses put the Boeing at points directly over the SHeraton Hotel, the Naval Annex and the Citgo gas station on the way in. Sgt. William Lagasse was getting gas at the CItgo station when the plane flew by him heated east towards the Pentagon. Lagasse saw the plane pass just north of him, so that he could see the row of starboard (right side) windows of the plane as it passed him. However since Lagasse was standing at a place that itself was north and west of the first pole that was knocked down -- it is virtually impossible that the jetliner that Lagasse saw could have knocked down that pole on Washington Blvd. THe pole must have been hit by that second aircraft as it approached on the "slightly-different-angle" path to the Pentagon. The killer jet hit the pole, fired a missile and then itself hit at pillar #14, while the jetliner that everyone saw approaching flew over the Pentagon and blended into Reagan National airport just one mile beyond the crash. The C-130 -- likely a command plane -- flew over the Pentagon 30 seconds afterwards.

ANd that is the story that you have failed to knock down.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:07:01 -0000
From: "Roman" <comraderoman@yahoo.com>
Subject: Breaking News: Islamic Terrorist cell exposed in New York

Forward Widely

Breaking News: Islamic Terrorist cell exposed in New York

By Roman Shusterman

Pakistan has been a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism
and terrorist thought for decades. However, it was
only during the pro- Soviet communist government of
Afghanistan that the U.S. resorted to providing
sophisticated weapons and training to these Islamic
fanatics. The U.S. has used these same "Mujahadeen" or
holy warriors as they were referred to in English, to
destroy socialism in Yugoslavia. More recently the
U.S. has been cooperating with these fanatics in the
US. For example, Charlie Sheen has bravely come out in
support of the idea that there was a cover-up during
the 9/11 investigation. There were special steal beams
installed in the trade towers that were meant to
withstand fire damage and other damage, the commission
simply denied the existence of these beams. Also there
are other questions such as, why were some of the
suspected terrorists living with secret service or FBI
agents. If they were being monitored why weren't they
stopped before they could commit such an attack? There
is reason to believe that not only did the Bush regime
not stop them but that he actively aided and abetted
them. For example, all the wreckage from the WTC which
is considered evidence was illegally removed from the
scene before it could be investigated by the
commission. Instead Bush's brother who was appointed
head of security of the WTC made sure all the wreckage
got shipped off to Asia by secret service type Bush
agents with no name tags according to fire fighters
and police officers who were on the scene.

The US government had too much to gain from the 9/11
attacks. World domination has long been a plan of this
government especially since the collapse of socialism
in Eastern Europe. Now Islamic fundamentalism serves
as the perfect excuse to extract super profits from
the oil rich regions in the Middle East. And through
that strategic area the US has set up bases all over
the Middle East and is waiting for an excuse to do the
same in Eastern Europe in order to be able to project
supreme power just in case other powers such as China
and Russia ever become a threat.

Pakistan-USA Freedom Forum (PUFF) – An Islamic
Fundamentalist Terrorist cell with ties to the radical
Pakistani Jamaat-e-Islami Political Party – This was
the main party behind the Mujahdeen and Taliban
fighters who indiscriminately blew up schools full of
young children in order to help bring about the
collapse of the more or less progressive Soviet regime
in AFghanistan which was anti-Islamic in the sense
that it helped liberate Afghan woman by allowing them
to get an education, dress the way they want and go to
work.

Luckily, I was recently able to uncover information in
New York and especially in Queens which seems to be
the home of most of these potential terrorists. I
recently attended a meeting which PUFF had
participated in; the meeting was a gathering of all
the most radical Muslims in this city. At the meeting
references were made to how Muslims should use the
elections, but according to a recent PUFF statement
which I helped draft for my friend before I knew about
the nature of his organization it had appealed to
Muslims to put pressure on every US embassy in order
to reject the immigration bill HR 4437. My former
acquaintance who goes by the name of comrade shahid
said that Muslims are to do whatever it takes to make
sure that this bill does not become law. A common
theme at their meetings is power; they claim that the
Jews have all the political power in New York and the
country. They point to the fact that Islam is hated in
most of the western world while Judaism is tolerated
and Jews are placed in high positions of government.
The reason to me seems obvious, Jews are largely a
secular group that do not want to cut off people's
heads of they happen to be atheist of homosexual. I
also heard much gay bashing from people at this
meeting; gays were referred to as faggots who have no
shame.

I realize that it is risky for me to expose this group
because they clearly have ties to the CIA and to
fascist members of the Bush administration and Clinton
administrations. The most recent open government
cooperation they had was during the Kosovo conflict,
after that however, it was more hidden from public
view in preparation for the current war against
"Islam" which is actually a war against poor Muslims
and Americans perpetrated by Christian and Muslim
fundamentalists on both sides of this conflict. This
is a very wealthy group of people the PUFF; they have
some poor brainwashed folks in the group who will be
willing to do the dirty work if it comes down to it,
meaning they are potential suicide bombers. But most
are prestigious members of our community who you would
never guess they are actually the enemy of democracy
and freedom. Some are doctors, lawyers, professors,
and other professionals. Their conferences are
sometimes held at a restaurant called the Kabob King
on 74 or 73 street and Broadway in Queens on the
second floor. Now that this group has been exposed and
their whereabouts made public it is time for our
government to act and protect us from them. That
however, is not what the government will do; the
government will pretend it is incompetent in order for
us to once again fall for the idea that they knew
nothing about any terror cells planning attacks in
NYC. Posted below are the 2 most recent statements by
this terrorist group.

PAKISTAN-USA FREEDOM FORUM
92ND STREET, EAST ELMHURST NY: 11369
PH# 718-397-5027, 718-763-3543
Email: pakusaff@hotmail.com

Call for a Conference on Immigration and Human Rights
Now It's Our Turn New York

Members of the Pakistani community of New York
City are calling for an emergency conference on
immigration and human rights. We Appeal to Students,
Professors, Intellectuals, Labor Unions, the Media,
Peace Movement and all the people of this great city
and country to stand in solidarity and show support
for the most oppressed and underrepresented members of
the immigrant communities. These communities are now
facing great dangers, a new bill called the "Border
Protection, Antiterrorism and Illegal Immigration
Control Act," (HR 4437) is threatening immigrants with
deportation and imprisonment. This bill would
criminalize undocumented Humans and anyone helping
those Humans, including teachers, social workers,
clergy and health care providers. This is the most
draconian piece of immigration legislation to ever be
introduced in the United States. Hundreds of Thousands
of people in California and Chicago have already taken
it to the streets to protest this bill. The peace
movement has done a great job organizing opposition to
the war in Iraq and we appreciate their good work. Now
it's time that we put all that good energy toward
organizing against this anti-Human piece of
legislation which declares war on our own neighbors
and friends.
We demand it of all elected officials and candidates
for political office to demonstrate some courage by
supporting the immigrant communities in their
struggles. President George W. Bush claims that we are
at war with the "enemy" because they are against our
way of life and that we need to protect our quality of
life by going to war. Billions of dollars have been
spent on Iraq and Afghanistan and yet most Americans,
now more then ever see through the lies that were used
as justifications for this war. In fact our quality of
life has deteriorated because of all the money that
has been taken out of our social infrastructure in
order to fund this war. Social programs like Medicare,
Medicaid, Social Security, and Food Stamps are being
threatened due to the budget deficits and shortfalls
caused by this war. Leaders like Rep. James
Sensenbrenner's (R-Wis.) and other politicians claim
that people will have better quality jobs if we
criminalize immigration. This law will only cause the
opposite effect because it will empower the most
reactionary forces in this country and the world.
The American people will continue to lose their
freedoms and their social safety net including all the
programs mentioned above which immigrants fought hard
for in the past. Immigrants help maintain the luxuries
of our modern society enjoyed by so many Americans.
Immigrants have contributed so much toward our economy
and our quality of life, the least we can do is honor
their labor, not criminalize them and others who
support them. The U.S. government must realize that by
criminalizing others who are only trying to escape
dictatorships that this government has helped maintain
is not only inhumane but is criminal and does not
represent the great principles that this country was
founded on. We appeal to all immigrants to ask their
respective governments and political parties to
mobilize and give every U.S. embassy in their
respective countries a piece of their mind as is being
done by the Pakistani community. The U.S. is the sole
superpower of the world today but even though it has
such a status it's relation with other countries is
very fragile because of the policies such as the
pre-emptive use of force to solve problems. Now is the
time for the U.S. government to be diplomatic by
showing some compassion and treating all hardworking
people as human beings. The Pakistan-USA freedom forum
is grateful for the opportunities that this country
has provided us with and we believe in the ideas that
this country was built on, the ideas of brotherhood,
human rights, democracy, liberty, and the pursuit of
happiness.

Contact for more information or to volunteer: SHAHID
COMRADE General Secretary at 718 763-3543, please
leave your name and number

PAKISTAN-USA FREEDOM FORUM
92ND STREET, EAST ELMHURST NY: 11369
PH# 718-397-5027, 718-763-3543
E-MAIL: pakusaff@hotmail.com
STATEMENT ON THE "Illegal Immigration Control
Act,"(HR4437)

On Tuesday, December 6, House Judiciary Committee
Chair, Rep. James Sensenbrenner's (R Wis.) introduced
the "Border Protection, Antiterrorism and Illegal
Immigration Control Act," (HR 4437) which was passed
in the house and now stands a chance of being passed
in the Senate. The House bill would criminalize
undocumented workers and anyone helping those workers,
including teachers, social workers, clergy and health
care providers. The way that the U.S. government
treats immigrants has changed dramatically since the
attacks of 9/11. Before 9/11 immigrants were able to
obtain a green card in approx. 1 year's time. These
days it could take 7-9 years. A green card is very
important because it allows immigrants to legally stay
in the country for work purposes. The process of
becoming a citizen used to take approx. 6 years; today
it can be postponed indefinitely. Immigration services
have become extremely unfair. To apply for a green
card used to cost approx. $10, but today it can cost
up to $400 and the process has become much worse and
slower then before. The reason so many people leave
their countries is because the U.S. supports dictators
who put their families in charge of every sector of
the economy and industry. Yes it is true the U.S.
gives some countries a lot of aid but most of that
money goes into the pockets of the dictator's family
or toward weapons. Recently, the U.S. signed an
agreement with India to provide it with the newest
nuclear technologies. Meanwhile, India has some of the
worst slums where almost any diseases you can think of
are rampant and where poverty is extreme. Nothing is
being done to help these people even though the
government is receiving a lot of aid and new
technology from the U.S.
The solution to the immigration problem is at once
apparent if only we admit what the actual problems
are. Immigration is actually the symptom of the larger
problem of U.S. foreign policy. If the U.S. treated
poor countries better and did not install dictators
whenever progressive social movements wanted to better
the lives of the poor these countries maybe in much
better shape. In fact, the vice President of the
International Monetary fund has admitted that contrary
to popular belief, countries with government
infrastructure and protectionist policies have
economically done much better and have uplifted the
most impoverished. Countries that have taken the free
trade approach ended up with a worse poverty problem
then they had before. The U.S. makes it very hard for
poor farmers in third world countries to compete with
U.S. farmers by subsidizing the U.S. farmers. There
are leaders in our government today like Sensenbrener,
who opportunistically want to exploit the emotions of
hard working Americans and ride the wave of immigrant
bashing to the top. This is nothing new for American
politics; politicians have always exploited the
ignorance of people against them. However, these
opportunist politicians can make the world very
dangerous and can hurt a lot of people. If this bill
is passed and American citizens are not allowed to
give any human assistance to someone labeled a
"foreign" or "illegal" person then the problem of
racism and not to mention the greater humanitarian
problem of possible violence and imprisonment of
innocent families will arise. If the U.S. stays on the
path that has been set by the Bush administration
which has shown complete disregard for the
constitution by passing the patriot act and by even
allowing this immigration bill to be introduced in the
house then the world is in big trouble. A lot of
damage has already been done but it is still
reversible. We must return to the path set for us by
the U.S. constitution and the bill of rights and we
must follow the rule of law otherwise barbarism will
prevail and humanity will pay a very heavy price
eventually.

Contact for more information or to volunteer: SHAHID
COMRADE General Secretary at 718-763-3543, please
leave your name and number

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:10:01 -0700
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
Subject: [Fwd: [apfn-1] "Lawless World," reveals Bush and Tony Blair taking the law into their own hands...]

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:31:22 -0000
From: "catsears_2000" <catsears_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: WTC according to NIST

In the NIST analysis of WTC 7 collapse that can be found at:

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part%20IIC%20-%20WTC%207%20Collapse%20Final.pdf

... only one slide really matters. They say the collapse is due to the
"failure" of main support columns 79, 80, and/or 81, which upon
failing caused the entire building to go (in 8 seconds, ahaha!)

Anyway, in the whole deck, down below is text of the crucial slide
where they basically admit they don't know what the fuck went wrong.

Within THAT text, the crucial single line of it all is the following:

"Massive size of columns 79, 80, and 81 appears to require severe
fires and/or damaged fireproofing to initiate thermally-related failures"

-Scott Meredith
/AlasBabylon list owner

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Status of Initiating Event Analysis
NIST continues to evaluate the factors that could have caused column 79,
80, or 81 to fail
Possible contributing factors include:
􀂉 Damage to components adjacent to truss #2 from debris impact
􀂉 Damage to fireproofing from normal activities prior to event or debris
damage
􀂉 Unusual fuel loads (fuel lines, high density of building contents)
Analysis to date indicates:
􀂉 Massive size of columns 79, 80, and 81 appears to require severe
fires and/or damaged fireproofing to initiate thermally-related failures

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:08:12 -0000
From: "botalerts" <botalerts@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Time for the 9/11 Movement to Grow Up

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/03/time-for-911-movement-to-grow-up_27.html

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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:38:03 -0000
From: "Donald Stahl" <politicstahl@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hope

The resistance we meet with should give us hope, because it is a
measure of the anger which will be unleashed when the obvious can no
longer be denied.

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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:28:24 -0700
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
Subject: RE: Uncovered: The quest to invade Iraq

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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:06:18 -0000
From: "d_andrew_stanley" <d_andrew_stanley@yahoo.com>
Subject: YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME LOOK...

In the early 1990s Vince Diehl issued over a hundred written, very
much public prophecies regarding America, which are all coming true. A
few of them are about outsourcing our jobs, about how God would stir
up the Arabs against America; and several concerning President Bush,
Osama, and others. For each of which he provides strong, undeniable,
Scriptural support, so these are not just rantings.

In September of last year, before it became "news" he also issued a
prophecy that America would suffer a flu pandemic by the end of 2006
that will kill millions of people (not bird flu); but that even worse
than the flu pandemic will be an all out famine in America which will
follow the pandemic. The handwriting is obviously now on the wall.
All the signs are there. In our hearts we all know that something is
horribly wrong.

If you would like to read these prophecies go to:

http://www.america-in-prophecy.org/k_e_a_i_p_frames.html

Even so, because we are thoroughly convinced he is right based on the
fact that every word he is saying is thoroughly supported by
Scripture, that we have set up a website for the purpose of collecting
ideas as to what we as individual Americans can do for ourselves, in
advance, to protect our families as a matter of survival. We encourage
you to come and just browse through our site in hopes that we might be
of some small service. Its absolutey free. We do not solicit for, nor
do we accept monetary donations. We're simply trying to avoid another
massive number of people who, in times of disaster, have no idea in
the world as to what they can do to help THEMSELVES when there is no
government around to do the things we all take for granted. As in the
recent Katrina disaster. If you would like to come look around, our
site is at:

http://www.famine2006.org/k_e_famine_frames.html

Thanks for reading this. God bless you!
Andy

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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:34:22 -0500
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: NY Times obtains secret memo of Bush, Blair meeting before Iraq war

NY Times obtains secret memo of Bush, Blair meeting before Iraq war

Address:http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/NY_Times_to_report_on_secret_0326.html

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Live Vote - Newsweek Politics - MSNBC.com
84% vote to limit immigration

Address:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12013882/site/newsweek/

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Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian Challenges Press to
Stop Slinging Mud, Confront.... - Forums powered by Reason and Principle

Address:http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=294518512

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Scalia says no detainee deserves a fair trial (or any trial) Because
they were shooting at his son on the battlefields of Iraq / Afghanistan
(below)
! (What the F ! were his sons doing in their Country ?)

Sounds familiar to one of Bush's reason for invading Iraq, That
being that some Iraqis planed an assassination of his dad when he was
President and went to Saudi Arabia.

Should Scalia Recuse Himself From Gitmo Case? - Newsweek Periscope -
MSNBC.com

Address:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12017271/site/newsweek/

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'Herald' Says Justice Scalia Gives the Press the Finger, He Denies It
(Picture should surface soon ?)

Address:http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002236937

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FBI Keeps Watch on Activists - Los Angeles Times

Address:http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fbi27mar27%2C0%2C5815737.story?coll=la-home-headlines

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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:39:58 -0800
From: John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net>
Subject: Please E-mail Cspan BookTV to film Tarpley event in Seattle

March 31 - April 1. Webster Tarpley and Barrie Zwicker speak in
Seattle, http://www.waronfreedom.org/synth/april1.html

If you would like to see part of it televised, please join us in
writing to C-Span BookTV at
Booktv@c-span.org asking them to cover Webster's event at Third
Place Books on March 31.

BTW Tarpley's Synthetic Terror is the top selling 9/11 book on Amazon
today with a sales rank of #848, well ahead of the 9/11 Omission
Report which placed 4,162

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I've added a few notes to my last press release
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/3/prweb363611.htm

March 27. On the National Intel Report on RBNLive.com, Tarpley
comments on "the psychotic patsy Moussaoui's" confession of intent to
fly a plane into the White House. I've been saying that LIHOP is
useless because it leaves intact the false enemy image of the
hijackers. But the war party can still terrorize America with
grotesques like Moussaoui even in the case of WTC-7 MIHOP, perhaps by
scapegoating Bush-Cheney and Silverstein. Controlled demolition is
not enough; a simple answer cannot unravel a complex intrigue; the
American people need the full picture. Tarpley's "full rogue network
MIHOP" model of moles and patsies provides this in "9/11 Synthetic
Terror: Made in USA."

(Webster Tarpley on John Stadtmiller's National Intel Report on
RBNLive.com, first hour
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt06.html . Rush Transcript:
http://www.waronfreedom.org/press/WGTonJS327.html )

- The Euro-denominated Iranian Oil Bourse, a threat to the dollar
which Tarpley promotes as the real reason for an attack on Iran,
didn't open as scheduled after all. Instead, the first bilateral
talks between the US and Iran in decades were announced.
http://www.payvand.com/news/06/mar/1185.html

Coincidence, or a coordinated counteroffensive against the neo-con
crazies? Did the neo-cons flinch before an Iranian foe even crazier
than themselves?

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