Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 382

Saturday, February 18, 2006

[911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 382

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
2. Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
From: "inphoman911" <inphoman911@yahoo.com>
3. Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
4. Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
From: "inphoman911" <inphoman911@yahoo.com>
5. Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
6. Re: WING TV: Greg Nixon show is up!
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
7. Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
From: "inphoman911" <inphoman911@yahoo.com>
8. Bloggers in Amsterdam
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
9. Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
10. [Fwd: [political-research] Bloglines - Rumsfeld: Dead-Enders Defeating U.S. Via Blackberry]
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
11. Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
12. Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
13. Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
14. Re: WING TV: Greg Nixon show is up!
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
15. Re: WING TV: Greg Nixon show is up!
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
16. Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
17. STEP UP to the PLATE
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
18. Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
19. LINK TO WINGTV VID
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
20. Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
21. Re: WING TV: Greg Nixon show is up!
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
22. Re: Re: WING TV: Greg Nixon show is up!
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
23. Fwd: [911TruthAction] Copies of LOOSE CHANGE for $1.25 each.
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
24. Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
25. Jeb Bush: Bird Flu might hit Florida first
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:47:35 -0800 (PST)
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

Let's try to cut down on the bad pr please. No one is hugging any planes at this rally.
This is a call for an angry mob to scream bloody murder in the streets and call the gatekeepers at their game, supporting the Bush regime. The Sander issue was an oversight. Let it go.

Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com> wrote:
Synthetic Terror does an excellent job at "Big Picture" theoretics, but
then when it comes down to the nittygritty of actual events, the poor
sucker has planes climbing into holes and covering themselves up.
I was hoping that this sort of drooling idiocy is what the event was
against.

inphoman911 wrote:
> The Hicks book is really bad. He even shows the Pentagon picture
> after the roof collapse and makes the reader think it is the only
> picture. He is now promoting 9/11 Synthetic Terror at his site, so
> maybe he had just been a disinfo dupe when he put out his book.
> Don't you think he should be scrambling to put out a new edition of
> the Big Wedding with massive corrections?
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
> <perpetualynquisitive@...> wrote:
>
>> Daniel Hopsicker Jr., err, I mean Sander Hicks, now that is funny.
>>
>> With original research and interviews, The Big Wedding provides a
>>
> new
>
>> level of proof that Bush's advisors had detailed foreknowledge of
>>
> 9/11.
>
>> The book dispenses with the hypothetical and the realm of maybe. It
>> attacks the kooky conspiracy theories, like "no-plane-hit-the-
>>
> Pentagon,"
>
>> which distract from certain suppressed historical truths: the CIA
>>
> has
>
>> had a controlling, client relationship with the powerful Pakistani
>> intelligence group, ISI. The ISI has proven links to 9/11; they
>>
> were key
>
>> funders, trainers, and supporters. Therefore, it's impossible that
>>
> the
>
>> CIA and White House didn't have detailed foreknowledge of 9/11.
>>
>> From here <http://www.drenchkiss.com/>
>>
>> The Big Wedding is almost as bad as Crossing The Rubes I've
>>
> Conned, by
>
>> Mike "The CIA tried to Kill Me, Peak Oiler" Ruppert.
>>
>>
>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "angiesept11"
>>
> <angiesept11@>
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, then why is 911 Gatekeeper Sander Hicks one
>>> of the 2 people listed as speaking at your march,
>>> you being the other? Hicks is a 911 Gatekeeper!!
>>> This is both hilarious and disgusting at the same time.
>>>
>>> Angie
>>> 911 Truth Movement Musings (Watching the Watchers)
>>> http://www.Angieon911.com
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: greg nixon nxngrg@
>>> Date: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:46 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] WING TV announced Greg Nixon as
>>>
> guest
>
>>> (02/17) nxngrg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> She is a planehugger huh? I am not. I want the message to
>>>>>>>>
> be f--k
>
>>> the gatekeepers I hope that's what comes across.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:55:23 -0000
From: "inphoman911" <inphoman911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

Physical analysis is not Tarpley's specialty and its not fair to
attack him for making such small errors. I can generally support
anyone who endorses artificial demoltion MIHOP thesis and don't make
such a big deal about the finer details about the other issues. The
way I see it, we have to sell live cremation of Americans for Public
Relations purposes before our time runs out. How will we know when
our time has run out? We will know when we get a nuclear false flag
attack and then martial law to shut down all our legitimate protest
organizations and forums like these. The finer details of the 9/11
scam can always be worked out in the future, but selling controlled
demoltion to the general public is of time sensitive importance,
unlike fleshing out the planehugger vs. bluescreen issues. When you
stop to realize that we don't have all the time in the world, you
can begin seing things from my point of view. Eric Hufschmid also
made this point recently on one of Daryl Bradford Smiths shows.

Hicks 9/11 analysis is LIHOP and I thought he was an agent after
reading his Big Wedding book. It's starting to look like he might
just be going through a learning process and is recovering from his
LIHOP indoctrination. I don't think he is going to ruin the march.
Who made the decision to give him a platform though?

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
<webfairy@...> wrote:
>
> Synthetic Terror does an excellent job at "Big Picture"
theoretics, but
> then when it comes down to the nittygritty of actual events, the
poor
> sucker has planes climbing into holes and covering themselves up.
> I was hoping that this sort of drooling idiocy is what the event
was
> against.
>
>
> inphoman911 wrote:
> > The Hicks book is really bad. He even shows the Pentagon
picture
> > after the roof collapse and makes the reader think it is the
only
> > picture. He is now promoting 9/11 Synthetic Terror at his site,
so
> > maybe he had just been a disinfo dupe when he put out his book.
> > Don't you think he should be scrambling to put out a new edition
of
> > the Big Wedding with massive corrections?
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
> > <perpetualynquisitive@> wrote:
> >
> >> Daniel Hopsicker Jr., err, I mean Sander Hicks, now that is
funny.
> >>
> >> With original research and interviews, The Big Wedding provides
a
> >>
> > new
> >
> >> level of proof that Bush's advisors had detailed foreknowledge
of
> >>
> > 9/11.
> >
> >> The book dispenses with the hypothetical and the realm of
maybe. It
> >> attacks the kooky conspiracy theories, like "no-plane-hit-the-
> >>
> > Pentagon,"
> >
> >> which distract from certain suppressed historical truths: the
CIA
> >>
> > has
> >
> >> had a controlling, client relationship with the powerful
Pakistani
> >> intelligence group, ISI. The ISI has proven links to 9/11; they
> >>
> > were key
> >
> >> funders, trainers, and supporters. Therefore, it's impossible
that
> >>
> > the
> >
> >> CIA and White House didn't have detailed foreknowledge of 9/11.
> >>
> >> From here <http://www.drenchkiss.com/>
> >>
> >> The Big Wedding is almost as bad as Crossing The Rubes I've
> >>
> > Conned, by
> >
> >> Mike "The CIA tried to Kill Me, Peak Oiler" Ruppert.
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "angiesept11"
> >>
> > <angiesept11@>
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yeah, then why is 911 Gatekeeper Sander Hicks one
> >>> of the 2 people listed as speaking at your march,
> >>> you being the other? Hicks is a 911 Gatekeeper!!
> >>> This is both hilarious and disgusting at the same time.
> >>>
> >>> Angie
> >>> 911 Truth Movement Musings (Watching the Watchers)
> >>> http://www.Angieon911.com
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> From: greg nixon nxngrg@
> >>> Date: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:46 pm
> >>> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] WING TV announced Greg Nixon
as
> >>>
> > guest
> >
> >>> (02/17) nxngrg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> She is a planehugger huh? I am not. I want the message to
> >>>>>>>>
> > be f--k
> >
> >>> the gatekeepers I hope that's what comes across.
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:57:16 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

I'm not the most eloquent person. However, there's a point that needs to be
made, and I'm going to try. So here's my bad and very weak analogy.

Let's say my son was brutally murdered. Would I care whether the murder
weapon was a gun, a knife, or crow bar? No. I'd just want the prep. to
face justice.

Now take9/11/2001: when it comes to how it happened and what hit the
towers, and what caused the mass destruction, the only thing that is
crucial how the evidence helps indentify who was behind the crime.

In light of the above, Tarpley and Hicks are horses of totally different
colors. Hicks is validating the hijacker as culprits. Tarpley is not.
That's huge. With all due respect to Rosalee, I don't care what the truth
is about the actual mechanics, the faked videos, the other huge questions.
The key thing that matters is the the myth of OBL and 19 hijackers is
smashed.

On 2/17/06, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com> wrote:
>
> Synthetic Terror does an excellent job at "Big Picture" theoretics, but
> then when it comes down to the nittygritty of actual events, the poor
> sucker has planes climbing into holes and covering themselves up.
> I was hoping that this sort of drooling idiocy is what the event was
> against.
>
>

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:58:37 -0000
From: "inphoman911" <inphoman911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:10:40 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

Whether or not they used planes is not a "Fine Detail."

It so happens that there IS NO PLANE in the first hit footage that
claims to show the plane.
The sort of drones the CIA brags about using in Afghanistan are shown,
but everybody seems to conspire together to pretend that this media hoax
is a 'small detail.'
The plump American puppy gassed by CIA-stooges in terrorist costumes got
more notice and attention than the missing plane.
So did Fat Bin Ladin, and Animated Osama.

Whether a plane can squeeze like toothpaste or fold like an umbrella or
do Karate Chops, and carries a little shovel in it's pod to dig with is
part of the infantalization of thought that has left humanity
intellectually disarmed as they imagine a universe that acts like cartoons.

inphoman911 wrote:
> Physical analysis is not Tarpley's specialty and its not fair to
> attack him for making such small errors. I can generally support
> anyone who endorses artificial demoltion MIHOP thesis and don't make
> such a big deal about the finer details about the other issues. The
> way I see it, we have to sell live cremation of Americans for Public
> Relations purposes before our time runs out. How will we know when
> our time has run out? We will know when we get a nuclear false flag
> attack and then martial law to shut down all our legitimate protest
> organizations and forums like these. The finer details of the 9/11
> scam can always be worked out in the future, but selling controlled
> demoltion to the general public is of time sensitive importance,
> unlike fleshing out the planehugger vs. bluescreen issues. When you
> stop to realize that we don't have all the time in the world, you
> can begin seing things from my point of view. Eric Hufschmid also
> made this point recently on one of Daryl Bradford Smiths shows.
>
>
> Hicks 9/11 analysis is LIHOP and I thought he was an agent after
> reading his Big Wedding book. It's starting to look like he might
> just be going through a learning process and is recovering from his
> LIHOP indoctrination. I don't think he is going to ruin the march.
> Who made the decision to give him a platform though?
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> <webfairy@...> wrote:
>
>> Synthetic Terror does an excellent job at "Big Picture"
>>
> theoretics, but
>
>> then when it comes down to the nittygritty of actual events, the
>>
> poor
>
>> sucker has planes climbing into holes and covering themselves up.
>> I was hoping that this sort of drooling idiocy is what the event
>>
> was
>
>> against.
>>
>>
>> inphoman911 wrote:
>>
>>> The Hicks book is really bad. He even shows the Pentagon
>>>
> picture
>
>>> after the roof collapse and makes the reader think it is the
>>>
> only
>
>>> picture. He is now promoting 9/11 Synthetic Terror at his site,
>>>
> so
>
>>> maybe he had just been a disinfo dupe when he put out his book.
>>> Don't you think he should be scrambling to put out a new edition
>>>
> of
>
>>> the Big Wedding with massive corrections?
>>>
>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
>>> <perpetualynquisitive@> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Daniel Hopsicker Jr., err, I mean Sander Hicks, now that is
>>>>
> funny.
>
>>>> With original research and interviews, The Big Wedding provides
>>>>
> a
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> new
>>>
>>>
>>>> level of proof that Bush's advisors had detailed foreknowledge
>>>>
> of
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 9/11.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The book dispenses with the hypothetical and the realm of
>>>>
> maybe. It
>
>>>> attacks the kooky conspiracy theories, like "no-plane-hit-the-
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Pentagon,"
>>>
>>>
>>>> which distract from certain suppressed historical truths: the
>>>>
> CIA
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> has
>>>
>>>
>>>> had a controlling, client relationship with the powerful
>>>>
> Pakistani
>
>>>> intelligence group, ISI. The ISI has proven links to 9/11; they
>>>>
>>>>
>>> were key
>>>
>>>
>>>> funders, trainers, and supporters. Therefore, it's impossible
>>>>
> that
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>> CIA and White House didn't have detailed foreknowledge of 9/11.
>>>>
>>>> From here <http://www.drenchkiss.com/>
>>>>
>>>> The Big Wedding is almost as bad as Crossing The Rubes I've
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Conned, by
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mike "The CIA tried to Kill Me, Peak Oiler" Ruppert.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "angiesept11"
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <angiesept11@>
>>>
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, then why is 911 Gatekeeper Sander Hicks one
>>>>> of the 2 people listed as speaking at your march,
>>>>> you being the other? Hicks is a 911 Gatekeeper!!
>>>>> This is both hilarious and disgusting at the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Angie
>>>>> 911 Truth Movement Musings (Watching the Watchers)
>>>>> http://www.Angieon911.com
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> From: greg nixon nxngrg@
>>>>> Date: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:46 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] WING TV announced Greg Nixon
>>>>>
> as
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> guest
>>>
>>>
>>>>> (02/17) nxngrg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> She is a planehugger huh? I am not. I want the message to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> be f--k
>>>
>>>
>>>>> the gatekeepers I hope that's what comes across.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
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>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:17:30 -0800 (PST)
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: WING TV: Greg Nixon show is up!

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:23:52 -0000
From: "inphoman911" <inphoman911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

Bill just made 2 important points.

This debate doesn't do anything to help the prep. face justice.

and it doesn't do anything to indentify who was behind the crime.

Based on those 2 points alone, it can be easily argued that the
debate is a distraction. I don't go as far as calling it a
distraction, but I think these matters do not belong at the
forefront of our movement, just like the pod theory didn't belong at
the forefront.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
<webfairy@...> wrote:
>
> Whether or not they used planes is not a "Fine Detail."
>
> It so happens that there IS NO PLANE in the first hit footage that
> claims to show the plane.
> The sort of drones the CIA brags about using in Afghanistan are
shown,
> but everybody seems to conspire together to pretend that this
media hoax
> is a 'small detail.'
> The plump American puppy gassed by CIA-stooges in terrorist
costumes got
> more notice and attention than the missing plane.
> So did Fat Bin Ladin, and Animated Osama.
>
> Whether a plane can squeeze like toothpaste or fold like an
umbrella or
> do Karate Chops, and carries a little shovel in it's pod to dig
with is
> part of the infantalization of thought that has left humanity
> intellectually disarmed as they imagine a universe that acts like
cartoons.
>
>
>
> inphoman911 wrote:
> > Physical analysis is not Tarpley's specialty and its not fair to
> > attack him for making such small errors. I can generally
support
> > anyone who endorses artificial demoltion MIHOP thesis and don't
make
> > such a big deal about the finer details about the other issues.
The
> > way I see it, we have to sell live cremation of Americans for
Public
> > Relations purposes before our time runs out. How will we know
when
> > our time has run out? We will know when we get a nuclear false
flag
> > attack and then martial law to shut down all our legitimate
protest
> > organizations and forums like these. The finer details of the
9/11
> > scam can always be worked out in the future, but selling
controlled
> > demoltion to the general public is of time sensitive importance,
> > unlike fleshing out the planehugger vs. bluescreen issues. When
you
> > stop to realize that we don't have all the time in the world,
you
> > can begin seing things from my point of view. Eric Hufschmid
also
> > made this point recently on one of Daryl Bradford Smiths shows.
> >
> >
> > Hicks 9/11 analysis is LIHOP and I thought he was an agent after
> > reading his Big Wedding book. It's starting to look like he
might
> > just be going through a learning process and is recovering from
his
> > LIHOP indoctrination. I don't think he is going to ruin the
march.
> > Who made the decision to give him a platform though?
> >
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> > <webfairy@> wrote:
> >
> >> Synthetic Terror does an excellent job at "Big Picture"
> >>
> > theoretics, but
> >
> >> then when it comes down to the nittygritty of actual events,
the
> >>
> > poor
> >
> >> sucker has planes climbing into holes and covering themselves
up.
> >> I was hoping that this sort of drooling idiocy is what the
event
> >>
> > was
> >
> >> against.
> >>
> >>
> >> inphoman911 wrote:
> >>
> >>> The Hicks book is really bad. He even shows the Pentagon
> >>>
> > picture
> >
> >>> after the roof collapse and makes the reader think it is the
> >>>
> > only
> >
> >>> picture. He is now promoting 9/11 Synthetic Terror at his
site,
> >>>
> > so
> >
> >>> maybe he had just been a disinfo dupe when he put out his
book.
> >>> Don't you think he should be scrambling to put out a new
edition
> >>>
> > of
> >
> >>> the Big Wedding with massive corrections?
> >>>
> >>> --- In
911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
> >>> <perpetualynquisitive@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Daniel Hopsicker Jr., err, I mean Sander Hicks, now that is
> >>>>
> > funny.
> >
> >>>> With original research and interviews, The Big Wedding
provides
> >>>>
> > a
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> new
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> level of proof that Bush's advisors had detailed
foreknowledge
> >>>>
> > of
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> 9/11.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> The book dispenses with the hypothetical and the realm of
> >>>>
> > maybe. It
> >
> >>>> attacks the kooky conspiracy theories, like "no-plane-hit-the-
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Pentagon,"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> which distract from certain suppressed historical truths: the
> >>>>
> > CIA
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> has
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> had a controlling, client relationship with the powerful
> >>>>
> > Pakistani
> >
> >>>> intelligence group, ISI. The ISI has proven links to 9/11;
they
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> were key
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> funders, trainers, and supporters. Therefore, it's impossible
> >>>>
> > that
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> CIA and White House didn't have detailed foreknowledge of
9/11.
> >>>>
> >>>> From here <http://www.drenchkiss.com/>
> >>>>
> >>>> The Big Wedding is almost as bad as Crossing The Rubes I've
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Conned, by
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Mike "The CIA tried to Kill Me, Peak Oiler" Ruppert.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "angiesept11"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> <angiesept11@>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, then why is 911 Gatekeeper Sander Hicks one
> >>>>> of the 2 people listed as speaking at your march,
> >>>>> you being the other? Hicks is a 911 Gatekeeper!!
> >>>>> This is both hilarious and disgusting at the same time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Angie
> >>>>> 911 Truth Movement Musings (Watching the Watchers)
> >>>>> http://www.Angieon911.com
> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: greg nixon nxngrg@
> >>>>> Date: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:46 pm
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] WING TV announced Greg Nixon
> >>>>>
> > as
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> guest
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> (02/17) nxngrg
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> She is a planehugger huh? I am not. I want the message
to
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> be f--k
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> the gatekeepers I hope that's what comes across.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:25:05 +0200
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
Subject: Bloggers in Amsterdam

Dear 9/11 truth people,

Democrats Abroad Netherlands, of which I am nominally a member but which
I don't support, screened "Walmart: The High Cost of Low Price" last night
in The Hague and I went over and watched it. After it was over, the current
chair of the group asked me if I was going to "the blogger event" in
Amsterdam on Saturday. I had no idea what she was talking about, and it
turned out the announcement on it had just been sent out earlier in the
evening, so I saw it when I got back to Rotterdam:

> From: "Democrats Abroad NL" <robbie@democratsabroad.nl>
> To: <announce@democratsabroad.nl>
> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:39:57 +0100
> Subject: [Democrats NL]
> REMINDER: Bloggers in Amsterdam at the Treehouse tomorrow afternoon!
> Sender: announce-bounces@democratsabroad.nl
>
> Bloggers in Amsterdam
>
> Saturday, 18 February, 4:00 - 6:00PM (doors open at 3:30PM for voter
>registration)
> American Book Center Treehouse (Voetboogstraat 11, Amsterdam)
> Holland.com and Blogads are bringing 25 American bloggers to Amsterdam
>for the
> "<http://www.bloggersinamsterdam.com/>Bloggers in Amsterdam" program.
>We're lucky enough to have gotten the chance to
> have four of the nation's premier political bloggers engage in a panel
>discussion about
> the American and international political blogospheres, ways in which both
>types of bloggers
> can support each other's efforts and other topics.
>
> Attending will be:
>
> Jeralyn Merritt of <http://www.talkleft.com/>Talkleft.com
> <http://ezraklein.typepad.com/>Ezra Klein
> Lindsay Beyerstein of <http://majikthise.typepad.com/>Majikthise
> Amanda Marcotte of <http://www.pandagon.net/>Pandagon
> Martin Wisse of <http://progressivegoldbeta.blogspot.com/>Progressive
>Gold to represent international bloggers
>
> Admission to this event is free. Refreshments will be for sale.
>Non-members are encouraged
> to attend. Hope to see you there!
>
> Thanks go to <http://progressivegoldbeta.blogspot.com/>Sandra Culley for
>helping us put this together.
>
> Brian Walsh
> Communications Co-chair
> Democrats Abroad Netherlands
> <mailto:webmaster@democratsabroad.nl>webmaster@democratsabroad.nl

Details of this blogging junket can be found on the Web, and a list of
the 26 bloggers being feted with free flights, five-star hotels, etc.
is at http://www.bloggersinamsterdam.com. The whole thing hit me as kind
of fishy, and I see it's being criticized simply from an ethical viewpoint.
I'll look at some more of these people's blogs tomorrow before going up
in the afternoon, but so far they all seem to be squinky-clean on 9/11,
electoral fraud and so forth.

I'm wondering if anyone is acquainted with any of these bloggers and
has any comments to offer about them. I would also appreciate any quick
advice on how I might best approach this event in the interest of 9/11
truth. I'm tending to doubt that they're all junior-CIA blogging agents
or anything - or maybe they are, what do I know? - but I have a feeling
I could surely handle this thing in a better or worse manner, so I'm
asking for advice and will appreciate any that any of you can whip off
here at the last minute.

Thanks,

Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
Rotterdam, NL

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:33:17 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

I would have nothing printable to say to such nonsense.

YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT PERPS identified.
You sound just as stupid as those who were so willing to rush over to
afghanistan to murder innocent women and children cos 911 was "their" fault.

The FACT that there is NO PLANE in the first hit crime scene is the most
important singular fact for identification of the perps, but instead
you'd rather laud these perps on the nightly news and nod along.

To me this makes every sucker who thinks the Weapon of Mass Destruction
Used really doesn't matter is a perp in it's shrinky little heart and
even smaller brain.

inphoman911 wrote:
> Bill just made 2 important points.
>
> This debate doesn't do anything to help the prep. face justice.
>
> and it doesn't do anything to indentify who was behind the crime.
>
> Based on those 2 points alone, it can be easily argued that the
> debate is a distraction. I don't go as far as calling it a
> distraction, but I think these matters do not belong at the
> forefront of our movement, just like the pod theory didn't belong at
> the forefront.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> <webfairy@...> wrote:
>
>> Whether or not they used planes is not a "Fine Detail."
>>
>> It so happens that there IS NO PLANE in the first hit footage that
>> claims to show the plane.
>> The sort of drones the CIA brags about using in Afghanistan are
>>
> shown,
>
>> but everybody seems to conspire together to pretend that this
>>
> media hoax
>
>> is a 'small detail.'
>> The plump American puppy gassed by CIA-stooges in terrorist
>>
> costumes got
>
>> more notice and attention than the missing plane.
>> So did Fat Bin Ladin, and Animated Osama.
>>
>> Whether a plane can squeeze like toothpaste or fold like an
>>
> umbrella or
>
>> do Karate Chops, and carries a little shovel in it's pod to dig
>>
> with is
>
>> part of the infantalization of thought that has left humanity
>> intellectually disarmed as they imagine a universe that acts like
>>
> cartoons.
>
>>
>> inphoman911 wrote:
>>
>>> Physical analysis is not Tarpley's specialty and its not fair to
>>> attack him for making such small errors. I can generally
>>>
> support
>
>>> anyone who endorses artificial demoltion MIHOP thesis and don't
>>>
> make
>
>>> such a big deal about the finer details about the other issues.
>>>
> The
>
>>> way I see it, we have to sell live cremation of Americans for
>>>
> Public
>
>>> Relations purposes before our time runs out. How will we know
>>>
> when
>
>>> our time has run out? We will know when we get a nuclear false
>>>
> flag
>
>>> attack and then martial law to shut down all our legitimate
>>>
> protest
>
>>> organizations and forums like these. The finer details of the
>>>
> 9/11
>
>>> scam can always be worked out in the future, but selling
>>>
> controlled
>
>>> demoltion to the general public is of time sensitive importance,
>>> unlike fleshing out the planehugger vs. bluescreen issues. When
>>>
> you
>
>>> stop to realize that we don't have all the time in the world,
>>>
> you
>
>>> can begin seing things from my point of view. Eric Hufschmid
>>>
> also
>
>>> made this point recently on one of Daryl Bradford Smiths shows.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hicks 9/11 analysis is LIHOP and I thought he was an agent after
>>> reading his Big Wedding book. It's starting to look like he
>>>
> might
>
>>> just be going through a learning process and is recovering from
>>>
> his
>
>>> LIHOP indoctrination. I don't think he is going to ruin the
>>>
> march.
>
>>> Who made the decision to give him a platform though?
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
>>> <webfairy@> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Synthetic Terror does an excellent job at "Big Picture"
>>>>
>>>>
>>> theoretics, but
>>>
>>>
>>>> then when it comes down to the nittygritty of actual events,
>>>>
> the
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> poor
>>>
>>>
>>>> sucker has planes climbing into holes and covering themselves
>>>>
> up.
>
>>>> I was hoping that this sort of drooling idiocy is what the
>>>>
> event
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> was
>>>
>>>
>>>> against.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> inphoman911 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Hicks book is really bad. He even shows the Pentagon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> picture
>>>
>>>
>>>>> after the roof collapse and makes the reader think it is the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> only
>>>
>>>
>>>>> picture. He is now promoting 9/11 Synthetic Terror at his
>>>>>
> site,
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> so
>>>
>>>
>>>>> maybe he had just been a disinfo dupe when he put out his
>>>>>
> book.
>
>>>>> Don't you think he should be scrambling to put out a new
>>>>>
> edition
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>
>>>>> the Big Wedding with massive corrections?
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In
>>>>>
> 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
>
>>>>> <perpetualynquisitive@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Hopsicker Jr., err, I mean Sander Hicks, now that is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> funny.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> With original research and interviews, The Big Wedding
>>>>>>
> provides
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> new
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> level of proof that Bush's advisors had detailed
>>>>>>
> foreknowledge
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> 9/11.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The book dispenses with the hypothetical and the realm of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> maybe. It
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> attacks the kooky conspiracy theories, like "no-plane-hit-the-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Pentagon,"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> which distract from certain suppressed historical truths: the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> CIA
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> has
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> had a controlling, client relationship with the powerful
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Pakistani
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> intelligence group, ISI. The ISI has proven links to 9/11;
>>>>>>
> they
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> were key
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> funders, trainers, and supporters. Therefore, it's impossible
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> CIA and White House didn't have detailed foreknowledge of
>>>>>>
> 9/11.
>
>>>>>> From here <http://www.drenchkiss.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Big Wedding is almost as bad as Crossing The Rubes I've
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Conned, by
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike "The CIA tried to Kill Me, Peak Oiler" Ruppert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "angiesept11"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <angiesept11@>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, then why is 911 Gatekeeper Sander Hicks one
>>>>>>> of the 2 people listed as speaking at your march,
>>>>>>> you being the other? Hicks is a 911 Gatekeeper!!
>>>>>>> This is both hilarious and disgusting at the same time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Angie
>>>>>>> 911 Truth Movement Musings (Watching the Watchers)
>>>>>>> http://www.Angieon911.com
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: greg nixon nxngrg@
>>>>>>> Date: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:46 pm
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] WING TV announced Greg Nixon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> guest
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> (02/17) nxngrg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> She is a planehugger huh? I am not. I want the message
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> to
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> be f--k
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the gatekeepers I hope that's what comes across.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:51:30 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: [Fwd: [political-research] Bloglines - Rumsfeld: Dead-Enders Defeating U.S. Via Blackberry]

Rummy is inching closer to identifying us as the only sort of
"terrorists" they are really interested in.
A big sneer to all you supporters of the Media Hoax cheering for NSA
brand disinfo disguised.

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Subject: [political-research] Bloglines - Rumsfeld: Dead-Enders
Defeating U.S. Via Blackberry
Date: 18 Feb 2006 01:46:15 -0000
From: smcbride2@yahoo.com

Bloglines <http://www.bloglines.com> user *SeanMcBride
(smcbride2@yahoo.com)* has sent this item to you.

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State of the Nation

Rumsfeld: Dead-Enders Defeating U.S. Via Blackberry
<http://feeds.dailykos.com/dailykos/index?m=2768>

By SusanG on Lincoln Group

Donald Rumsfeld today announced we are woefully behind our "dead-ender"
counterparts in Iraq and Al Qaeda (you know, the guys living in caves)
in terms of being tech savvy.

All I can muster is ... huh?

I feel like a movie reel has been switched and I'm watching the second
half of a completely different movie than the one I walked into. Kinda
like starting out in the /Last of the Mohicans/ and ending up in /The
Matrix/.

Here's Rumsfeld today
<http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-02-17T192855Z_01_N17237817_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-RUMSFELD.xml>:

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The United States lags dangerously behind al
Qaeda and other enemies in getting out information in the digital
media age and must update its old-fashioned methods, Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Friday.
...
The Pentagon chief said today's weapons of war included e-mail,
Blackberries, instant messaging, digital cameras and Web logs, or
blogs.

"Our enemies have skillfully adapted to fighting wars in today's
media age, but ... our country has not adapted," Rumsfeld said.

So let me see if I have this straight. These same
<http://www.thenation.com/blogs/outrage?bid=13&pid=2237> "dead-enders,"
"remnants of defeated regimes," "small number of terrorists, a small
number of militias, coupled with some demonstrations and some
lawlessness," these are the same losers who now are suddenly relegated
to some category of Blackberry-wielding, VOIP-using, IM'ing wizzes,
operating in a country with a few hours of electricity per day? Is that
the scenario? Or am I missing an episode in a trilogy?

You know, every time Rumsfeld speaks, I feel a little stupider. Here we
are, arguably the most industrialized nation in the world, the home of
Silicon Valley and Bill Gates and NASA, and our defense secretary is
trying to sell us on the idea that we're getting our asses whupped by
people he'd previously designated as unaffiliated, dying-gasp,
disgruntled losers who are reluctant to enter the 21st century and
partake of the fruits of democracy and capitalism with us.

If I missed a transitional phase, forgive me. Still, I have some advice
for Mr. Rumsfeld. Check with your defense department's propaganda
sub-contractors, because something's seriously amiss here. You can start
with The Lincoln Group
<http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20051218-07111200-bc-us-iraqstories.xml>,
which garnered a sweet $20 million for a two-month contract (that's $10
million a month for those too busy to do the math) that was supposed to
propagandize the Iraqis into handing over their hearts and minds to the
U.S. I'll await your email notification of the investigative result, Mr.
Rumsfeld.

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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:44:26 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

I think the official story is like a pyramid of playing cards. You take one away, take away part of the official story, and it all collapses. The 19 names belonging to the 19 mug shots published by the FBI are not on the passenger manifests. A few media outlets included them separately in their list of passengers but they should have been included in the listings proper. Did the official airlines listings include Arab names? It is no good saying how suspicious they were at the check-in and because of lax security at the 3 airports they got on board the planes. It is lax security that is the only way they can get them at the scenes of the crimes then it has to be questioned. It is reported they bought tickets, this has got to be another way of putting them at the scene of the crime. So, why isn't there no Arab names on any listing of the passengers. In the absence of proper passenger manifests which include all 19 names then how on earth can they expect us to believe Arabs did it. Even if they were on board how on earth did they know those Arabs did it?

However, I don't accept any of those arabs whose mug shots we saw are still alive. A, then, current photograph [or even a 2006 photograph now] of any one still alive would destroy the whole official story. The mere reporting of the existence of live one's is bullshit.

Hey, what comes first in an investigation of who has hijacked a plane? The passenger manifest showing who was on board the plane, right. So why was their names left out of the official passenger manifests? Even arabs are innocent until proven guilty and their names should have been included just like any other passenger.

At the moment, other than the reports that they bought tickets they could have been dignitaries who were guests on board the planes and were thus not considered passengers and not included in the passenger manifests.

Did anyone on board 77 say how many hijackers were on board?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Giltner
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

I'm not the most eloquent person. However, there's a point that needs to be made, and I'm going to try. So here's my bad and very weak analogy.

Let's say my son was brutally murdered. Would I care whether the murder weapon was a gun, a knife, or crow bar? No. I'd just want the prep. to face justice.

Now take9/11/2001: when it comes to how it happened and what hit the towers, and what caused the mass destruction, the only thing that is crucial how the evidence helps indentify who was behind the crime.

In light of the above, Tarpley and Hicks are horses of totally different colors. Hicks is validating the hijacker as culprits. Tarpley is not. That's huge. With all due respect to Rosalee, I don't care what the truth is about the actual mechanics, the faked videos, the other huge questions. The key thing that matters is the the myth of OBL and 19 hijackers is smashed.

On 2/17/06, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com> wrote:
Synthetic Terror does an excellent job at "Big Picture" theoretics, but
then when it comes down to the nittygritty of actual events, the poor
sucker has planes climbing into holes and covering themselves up.
I was hoping that this sort of drooling idiocy is what the event was
against.

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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:58:13 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article

(*thx to Culhavoc)

[bb]Scanned copy of
Maxim[/b]

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:11:44 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at
> anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
> Datum: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:57:16 -0600

Bill,
but that's exactly what Greg's protest is about.
Noone stood up before and showed actually "outrage" in public.
Noone said before, WE HAVE ALREADY enough evidence, 'let's get them out
NOW!'

It was always about 'education' and handing out some leaflets,
the phoney 911truth.org version.

Us -the researchers cannot be made responsible, if no real activist
didn't pick up anything anyway. Whether we talked about pnac, controlled
demolition, cell phone talks, double identities, unlisted flights or morphed
planes, what's the difference here then anyway, too??

In my point, the "reality tv" on sep11th was a seperate crime anyway and i
believe it HAS to be addressed.
The only 'real' thing was the collapse(s), period.

See it in this way with your analogy:

Your son "was killed by a gun, a knife, or crow bar" and they exploit it on
a crime show, 24/7, maybe some more days, then never again.
In this clip he's now killed by someone in a car who shut him,
but when you came to the crime scene, there was no car, but the driver was
arrested.

Now all for a sudden you find out, that this wasn't the real killer, would
you just wanna look for the car for a while??

And if someone told you, that this car was unregistered years ago,
never produced in that color and actually did not even show the killer in
the car, just a scene, then the camera switched to the site and your son got
hit by something?

Wouldn't you like to correct this wrong myth about your son too?
Means, outrage and facts have to come automatically at the same time...

> I'm not the most eloquent person. However, there's a point that needs to
> be
> made, and I'm going to try. So here's my bad and very weak analogy.
>
> Let's say my son was brutally murdered. Would I care whether the murder
> weapon was a gun, a knife, or crow bar? No. I'd just want the prep. to
> face justice.
>
> Now take9/11/2001: when it comes to how it happened and what hit the
> towers, and what caused the mass destruction, the only thing that is
> crucial how the evidence helps indentify who was behind the crime.
>
> In light of the above, Tarpley and Hicks are horses of totally different
> colors. Hicks is validating the hijacker as culprits. Tarpley is not.
> That's huge. With all due respect to Rosalee, I don't care what the truth
> is about the actual mechanics, the faked videos, the other huge questions.
> The key thing that matters is the the myth of OBL and 19 hijackers is
> smashed.
>
>
> On 2/17/06, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com> wrote:
> >
> > Synthetic Terror does an excellent job at "Big Picture" theoretics, but
> > then when it comes down to the nittygritty of actual events, the poor
> > sucker has planes climbing into holes and covering themselves up.
> > I was hoping that this sort of drooling idiocy is what the event was
> > against.
> >
> >
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:12:44 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: WING TV: Greg Nixon show is up!

http://thewebfairy.com/hardtruth/gregnixon02-20.mp3

I think it is very popular. It took me nearly 2 hours to download the
50 meg sucker at 11k per second.
This is an mp3 with the obnoxious opening music trimmed off.
less than 6 megs -- that means it's about 12 percent of the original size!

Feel free to distribute this svelte version!

greg nixon wrote:
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:17:51 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: WING TV: Greg Nixon show is up!

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] WING TV: Greg Nixon show is up!
> Datum: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:17:30 -0800 (PST)

u need much patience. D/L always takes ages- immediately after upload.
Best D/L is at night. I just finished listening.

Excellent Job and well done, that you didn't mention Sander Hicks with a
slip, which could have been turned against you.

Maybe still consider a cancellation of him -or if he does it anyway,
maybe allow a FAQ after his speech, addressed to him.

> Is anyone else unable to get to Wing TV. My system seems to be under
> attack for two days. cannot get page
>
> Nico Haupt <nicohaupt@gmx.li> wrote: ...ready for D/L, just
> up!:
>
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:23:18 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at
> anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
> Datum: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:33:17 -0600
>

Rosalee is right on one point.

We couldn't even identify most of the "alleged cameramen" on sep11th,
which would bring us very close to the heads of the rest of the military
operation. I wonder, why noone is digging on that.

I'm sweating since months and years to find anything and it was a 'hoorah'
for me, that the bigger bio of Scott Myers was so dense and obvious.

Finding the CNN "exclusive" amateur camerateam from sep11th is the biggest
challenge for me.

We would win, but almost noone cares and the saboteurs
hunting and blocking us where they can.

Also, i still need a CNN-tape from 8:45 to 9:30 from that morning.

Noone has it. Who has?

>>>>I would have nothing printable to say to such nonsense.

YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT PERPS identified.
You sound just as stupid as those who were so willing to rush over to
afghanistan to murder innocent women and children cos 911 was "their" fault.

To me this makes every sucker who thinks the Weapon of Mass Destruction
Used really doesn't matter is a perp in it's shrinky little heart and
even smaller brain.<<<<

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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:23:11 -0500
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
Subject: STEP UP to the PLATE

RoadsEnd > Which bullsh*t would you like to present?

Dick Eastman >
"The "no planer" claims are simply wrong."
" Actually the blurred enlargement/enhancement supports the big plane
conclusion and nothing else."

Alienlover >
One only has to look at the unadulterated footage to prove that. the AP
and other cameras did capture one Jetliner hitting WTC 1 and another
Jetliner hitting WTC 2.

pierre.desmoulins@wanadoo.fr >
There will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents, than over
ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. . . .
Luke 15:1-10
*******************************

-Fonebone <

--- Fool beacons fool ,
and dunce awakens dunce . -- Churchill ___Apology line
42

STEP UP to the PLATE -
ONE and ALL
ONCE and FOR ALL !

POINT OUT THE WINGS ON THE JUMBO JET !!
The north wall of the WTC 1 North tower is being bathed in
direct rays of the SUN -
NOT reflected light
NOT diffused ambient light
BUT DIRECT RAYS of the MORNING SUN !!!
Elementary school science reveals SUN RAYS are PARALLEL
and CREATE THE EXACT SHADOW of the OBJECT ON NEARBY
illuminated surfaces.
AIRPLANES FLYING FRYING ACROSS AN AIRFIELD at HIGH NOON
will CREATE an exact shadow of itself on the AIR STRIP BELOW
as it PASSES HUNDREDS of FEET OVERHEAD -

SO The 160 feet of jumbo-jet wings that block these reflected rays of
DIRECT SUN rays are WHERE ? HMMMMmmmm ?????
and
NOW --- POINT OUT the 160 foot shadow created by the WINGS attached to the
160 foot long fuselage cigar-shaped shadow HMMMMmmmm ?????

<left> Still frame 121 Naudet <center> Boeing 767 JUMBO JET
<right> ditto rotated 180 degrees

the above still was extracted from the Naudet video featured below

let me help you out ---
Would you care to study a nice close-up still of the "plane " ?
Here it is <below>- complete with a matching shadow
This frozen still is the last frame before the nose toughed the north
tower north wall
but highly magnified using 2003 vintage state of the art tools
The Naudet video is available so this clue can easily be reproducedfor
verity.
The ORIGINAL NAUDET VIDEO in it's original format will reveal a more
accurate
rendition of "plane" but this crude outline is sufficient enough to
exclude a
JUMBO JET to ALL BUT the DIMMEST of WITS

Others ? Please continue ON
NOW ---ONCE AGAIN STEP UP to the PLATE
POINT OUT the 160 foot long wings attached to the
cigar shaped fuselage-- with their corresponding shadows attached
to the cigar shaped fuselage shadow
THE WINGS that MILLE-SECONDS LATER CREATED the
"roadrunner cartoon " style scar in the steel tower wall --
NO !
YOU CAN'T BECAUSE they're NOT THERE -----

CUT the CRAP THIS is a MISSILE - FONEBONE

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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:45:34 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
> Datum: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:58:13 +0100 (MET)
>

quick summary and first thoughts here. Very superficial but also good PR for
many of the most well known 'projects'. However...

MAXIM mentions Sander Hicks, Jimmy Walter.
Interesting 'opposition'.

One of the highlights in the article was for me the CNN poll (not Zogby!!),
which i once screen -shotted:
89% percent of respondents said there's a US government cover-up surrounding
9/11.
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1013

For sure the word "cover-up" still works as a limited hangout-meme.

Then, mentioned as "theory 1", actually they refer to a 2001(!) article by
Carol A Valentine, that "the planes
got remote controlled".

Then they also mentioned the british 2005 book "9/11 Revealed", David Ray
Griffin, but also Popular Mechanics, Scientific American.

Then a psychcological "explanation" on conspiracy theories.
Aha, as usual we're just mentally distorted.

Theory No.2 about controlled demolition.
A paragraph about Jim Hoffman is followed by William Rodriguez.

Theory No.3 about "No plane at pentagon", followed by an own column about
David Icke and shape-shifting reptilians, together with his photo.

Theory No.4, which will always be used against me, is the LIHOP stuff,
though i planted it at that time (2002) as a 'crossfader trojan horse' into
the next level, i underestimated leftgatekeepers, ignorance and sabotage.
Interestingly this column is filled up with Able Danger, Cynthia McKinney
and the August 2001 memo (not surprisingly, "prior knowledge" still works
here as a red herring.
Plus saudi ties and pakistan links.

Article ends with Sander Hicks again, seems he was strongly involved.
The editor of the article says:
"...Many of these theories stretch the patience of the most credulous. But
dismissing an entire tree for one rotten apple may be a rash"

My conclusion after a first fast reading is, that they still need "loonies"
as their biggest weapon to discredit us.

Why David Icke is the bad guy, is still a mystery for me. I have no clue,
how reptiles can program video or demolition :)

(*thx to Culhavoc)

[bb]Scanned copy
of
Maxim[/b]

http://we-dont.gotdns.org/~culhavoc/docs/MAXIM-MARCH-2006-911-Conspiracy-Theories.pdf

http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/02/16/maxim-911-conspiracy-theories/

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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:53:44 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: LINK TO WINGTV VID

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YNLU2Q0U

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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 04:30:26 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
> Datum: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:45:34 +0100 (MET)
>

....also MAXIM (as also PopMech or SciAM) doesn't mention any theory about
"no flights" or "no planes" and claims, that "conspiracists agree that two
airplanes hit the WTC..."

If the no-planerz are so 'scary', outrageous or 'disinf' for everyone, then
WHY is mainstream media no bitching about the loudest?

No -they still ignore us, and that actually still convinces me, that they
ignore it on purpose, because it's the closest threat they can NOT handle
easily.

I am not afraid, of seeing the "no plane/no flight" stuff belittled in
mainstream media, it will be taken out of context, if so anyway, like
everyone does.

I say, BRING IT ON FINALLY!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
> Datum: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:58:13 +0100 (MET)
>