[september_eleven_vreeland] Digest Number 1324

There are 3 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Japan's Rich Buy Organs from Executed Chinese Prisoners
From: "Ozzy bin Oswald" <hisholiness@rome.com>
2. CIA and MI5 created IRA, PLO, al-Qaeda and now Iraqi 'terrorist' groups
From: "norgesen" <norgeson@hotmail.com>
3. The Homeland Security Leviathan
From: "norgesen" <norgeson@hotmail.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:23:00 -0000
From: "Ozzy bin Oswald" <hisholiness@rome.com>
Subject: Japan's Rich Buy Organs from Executed Chinese Prisoners

Japan's rich buy organs from executed Chinese prisoners

By Clifford Coonan in Beijing and David McNeill in Tokyo
Full Story at The Independent
<http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article352535.ece>

March 21, 2006

HUNDREDS of well-off Japanese and other nationals are turning to China's
burgeoning human organ transplant industry, paying tens of thousands of
pounds for livers and kidneys, which in some cases have been harvested
from executed prisoners and sold to hospitals.

When Kenichiro Hokamura's kidneys failed, he faced a choice: wait for a
transplant or go online to check out rumours of organs for sale. As a
native of Japan, where just 40 human organs for transplant have been
donated since 1997, the businessman, 62, says it was no contest. "There
are 100 people waiting in this prefecture alone. I would have died
before getting a donor." Still, he was astonished by just how easy it
was.

Ten days after contacting a Japanese broker in China two months ago, he
was lying on an operating table in a Shanghai hospital receiving a new
kidney. "It was so fast, I was scared," he says. The "e-donor" was an
executed man; the price: 6.8m yen (about £33,000).

Beijing does not reveal how many people it executes, but analysts
estimate as many as 8,000 people are killed each year. Reports of
Chinese authorities removing organs from executed prisoners have been
circulating since the mid-1980s, when the development of a drug called
Cyclosoporine-A made transplants a newly viable option for patients.

Until now, most of the evidence linking executions to the organ trade
has been anecdotal and has not been helped by a lack of transparency in
the Chinese criminal justice system or the secrecy that surrounds prison
executions.

New Witness Confirms Existence of Chinese Concentration Camp, Says
Organs Removed from Live Prisoners

By Ji Da, The Epoch Times
Originally Published: Mar 17, 2006

A FORMER employee of Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital of
Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine told The Epoch Times during a
recent interview that the Sujiatun Concentration Camp in China was
actually a part of a hospital.

The concentration camp has engaged in taking organs from Falun Gong
practitioners when they were still alive and selling the organs. Since
2001, the concentration camp has secretly detained approximately 6,000
Falun Gong practitioners, none of whom have been able to leave the camp
alive.

The hospital removed many kidneys, livers, and corneas from the
practitioners. After the organ removal, the practitioners were thrown
into an incinerator, which was converted from a boiler. Their ashes were
dumped together with burned charcoal.

Organs from Three Quarters of the 6,000 People Were Removed

Those whose organs were removed were in various states of health.
Because many of the victims were illegally detained, there was neither
an arrest warrant nor identification as to who these people actually
were. Often after their organs were removed, nobody claimed the bodies.
Sometimes their bodies were picked up by crooks who pretended to be
their family members.

About three-quarters of the 6,000 people died after their hearts,
kidneys, corneas, or skin was removed; their bodies were then burned.
This witness, whose family member participated in the removal of Falun
Gong practitioners' organs, said that approximately 2,000 Falun Gong
practitioners remain in the hospital. She was afraid that the
authorities would kill all of them to destroy evidence.

The Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital of Integrated Chinese and
Western Medicine is located at 49 Xuesong Road, Sujiatun, Shenyang City,
Liaoning Province, China. It was the first hospital in China to
specialize in the heart, the brain, and surrounding blood vessels. The
hospital is composed of several organizations, including the Liaoning
Traditional Chinese Medicine College Teaching Hospital and the Shenyang
Thrombosis Treatment Center.

Concentration Camp Details

The hospital site is 21,087 square meters, with 17,564 square meters of
building area. It employs 460 people in 24 departments and 20
specialized offices. Information from the Chinese government shows that
the hospital was established in December 1988, and was formerly named
the Shenyang Research Institute of Thrombosis and Liaoning Province
Thrombosis Treatment Center of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine.
In June 1998, it was renamed China Traditional Medicine Thrombosis
Treatment Center.

The Chinese Business Morning View said in a story on July 4, 2004, that
a farm worker died of abnormal causes in Sujiatun, Shenyang and was
later cremated. The death certificate was provided by the Chinese
Medicine Thrombosis Treatment Center in Sujiatun. The news caused a stir
in China.
Read a transcript of the interview at The Epoch Times
<http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-3-17/39405.html>

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:02:03 -0500
From: "norgesen" <norgeson@hotmail.com>
Subject: CIA and MI5 created IRA, PLO, al-Qaeda and now Iraqi 'terrorist' groups

CIA and MI5 created IRA, PLO, al-Qaeda and now Iraqi 'terrorist' groups

20 March 2006.

*** The US and UK regimes claim that the 'insurgants' in Iraq are being armed by Iran. But the facts clearly prove that the weapons used by "terrorist" groups in Iraq and elsewhere for many years have been supplied by American and British "intelligence" services. ***

Congress probes 'IoS' revelations on IRA link to Iraq

It was just another St Patrick's weekend in Washington. The Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern presented shamrock to President George Bush, the Northern Ireland political parties continued to bicker over who is responsible for the latest impasse, and green beer was drunk by the gallon.

This weekend, however, a new cloud hangs over the legacy of the Troubles and the alleged role played in a number of deaths by both American and British security agencies.

The claim - if true - threatens a new political storm over how and why FBI officials and MI5 operatives conspired to supply deadly bomb-making equipment to the Provisional IRA in the early 1990s, mechanisms the paramilitary organisation later shared with Palestinian fighters.

Today in Iraq the same technology is being used by insurgents to kill and maim British and American soldiers.

Six months ago, when The Independent on Sunday first broke the story, the Secretary of State for Defence, John Reid, was forced into a humiliating retraction.

For weeks his officials had claimed that bombs which killed eight British soldiers in separate attacks in Basra had been supplied to foreign fighters by Iran's Revolutionary Guard.

Our story showed that the technology, far from being new, had in fact first been used in Newry, Co Down, in 1992 to murder a policewoman and maim her male colleague.

Kevin Fulton, a former soldier who infiltrated the IRA on behalf of the security services, made an astonishing claim: that he had flown to New York, met FBI and MI5 agents and was given money to buy an infra-red device to be used to set off IRA bombs.

The security services - already successful in preventing radio-signal bombs - believed that by supplying the equipment they could then introduce counter-measures.

"They knew the IRA was looking at the technology. By supplying the equipment, they thought they could stay one step ahead of the IRA," Mr Fulton told the IoS yesterday.

Following our article in October, an investigative journalist from the American magazine Atlantic delved deeper. And in an article to be published next week, Matthew Teague claims FBI sources have confirmed Mr Fulton's trip to the United States.
"I was satisfied with Fulton's story after checking it with FBI sources. I also had a record of Fulton's stay at a New York hotel at the time he said he was there," Mr Teague said. He said the article had already sparked a wave of interest before it hit the news-stands and he was aware of a number of senior American politicians who were waiting for publication before raising the issue in Congress.

The IoS has also spoken to a republican who was a senior IRA member in the early 1990s. He confirmed that Mr Fulton had introduced the IRA to the new technology and that the IRA shared this with "like-minded organisations abroad".

Mr Fulton currently lives in hiding in England and is taking legal action against the MoD, insisting he should receive a soldier's pension. A former member of the Royal Irish Rangers, he infiltrated the IRA after being recruited directly from the regiment by the shadowy army outfit the Force Research Unit, which ran agents inside loyalist and republican organisations.

Mr Teague says Mr Fulton answered "no comment" to claims that he had been responsible for 11 murders while working as an agent and that he had been given carte blanche to kill by his handlers.

Yesterday Mr Fulton refused to comment on those claims again, but asked about his New York arms-buying trip, he said: "I have been in touch with representatives of some senior American politicians in the past few days and I've told them that I am willing to travel back and appear before Congress if necessary."

The Police Ombudsman in Northern Ireland has been investigating the FBI/MI5 link to the murder of Constable Colleen McMurray, 34, who was killed when an IRA Mark 12 mortar hit the side of her patrol car as it travelled along Merchants Quay, Newry, on 26 March 1992. Officer Paul Slane, who was travelling with her, lost his legs.

SOURCE

The Independent, "Congress probes 'IoS' revelations on IRA link to Iraq", 19 March 2006.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article352175.ece

FURTHER READING

CIA created al-Qaeda and gave $3 BILLION to Osama bin Laden
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=0228

US government set Osama bin Laden free
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=0318

Al-Qaeda leader (a known MI5 agent) appeals for hostage release
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1787

CIA helping Osama Bin Laden to escape again
http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=1296

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1931

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US agent caught carrying explosives by Iraqi police

15 March 2006.

*** A US "private security contractor" has been caught in Iraq carrying illegal weapons and bomb-making equipment of the same type normally used by the Iraqi resistance. The US agent, who wore civilian clothing, was arrested in Tikrit by Iraqi police. He was released as soon as US officials became involved. This and many other sensitive locations in Iraq have been subject to numerous bombings. No Iraqis have been caught planting these bombs or carrying explosives in these areas. The US and its allies always blame such "terrorist" attacks on opposing Iraqi groups, which inevitably causes friction and increases tensions between Iraqi factions. The US, the UK, and their new Iraqi regime, then cite instability and insecurity problems to justify the continuing occupation and presence of foreign troops in Iraq. ***

American security contractor briefly held in Iraq

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi police detained an American private security contractor working at a U.S. military base in northern Iraq for several hours on Tuesday, a U.S. military spokesman said.

The spokesman said the man was arrested at a checkpoint in the northern town of Tikrit. He denied initial reports that explosives were found in the car, but said two AK-47 assault rifles were in the vehicle.

"He was picked up by Iraqi police after being detained at a checkpoint in Tikrit," the spokesman said, adding police later released him. "We are looking at why he left the base unescorted."

Abdullah Jebara, deputy governor of Salahaddin province, earlier told Reuters the man was arrested in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit on Monday and that U.S. forces removed him from the provincial government building on Tuesday.

The man was stopped by police for violating a daytime curfew in Tikrit, a security source said. American security personnel rarely travel alone.

A spokesman for the major crimes unit in Tikrit said he was first brought to their headquarters but they refused to take him into custody, adding police were told to take the man to the provincial council building.

SOURCE

Reuters, "American security contractor briefly held in Iraq", 14 March 2006.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2006-03-14T164522Z_01_OLI434593_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-AMERICAN.xml

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1918

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:08:38 -0500
From: "norgesen" <norgeson@hotmail.com>
Subject: The Homeland Security Leviathan

The Homeland Security Leviathan (Excerpt)
by William Norman Grigg
April 3, 2006

Immense, expensive, pervasively corrupt, the Department of Homeland Security is rapidly becoming a militarized menace to American liberties.

Bellows Falls, Vermont, population 3,024, has eight full-time police officers -- and 16 24-hour surveillance cameras. This is just three fewer than operate in "the District of Columbia, which has 181 times Bellows Falls's population," observes the Washington Post.

That New England community of 3,024 people is just one of many "Mayberry-sized places" now under constant surveillance, thanks to federal homeland security grants, and "similar networks have gone up in places such as Baltimore, Chicago, and New York," continues the Post.

While millions of dollars have been lavished on major communities, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has spent much more, proportionately, on grants to smaller communities. For instance: Nevada City, California, has received nearly $500,000; Owyhee, Nevada, a town so small it doesn't have a stoplight, pulled in $225,000.

The arrival of the Homeland Security gravy train hasn't been an unalloyed blessing, of course. States and municipalities that receive the grants "must select from specific items on an approved list" and buy them through federally approved vendors, noted the Hampton (New Hampshire) Union. Communities that applied for the grants had until last October 1 to "adopt a resolution stating they will comply with the Department of Homeland Security's National Incident Management System … in order to qualify," added the St. Paul Pioneer-Press.

Once they have had a taste of DHS largesse, cities are willing to do anything it takes to keep the money flowing in. On January 3, the department announced a revised grant policy, with some cities slated to get a little more, others to receive a little less. "Cities are either jubilant that they've been designated high-risk targets for terrorism, because that means more dollars, more jobs, more shiny riot gear … or else they're resentful that they're lower-risk targets, because there's fewer [dollars] in it for them," wrote Pierre Tristam of the Daytona Beach News-Journal.

Those who take the federal nickel must take the federal noose, as well. In this case, grant recipients have to display what Tristam calls "unquestioned submission to homeland security dogma," the central tenet of which is that regimentation and constant surveillance are necessary because it is the public at large that constitutes the real enemy.

"Code Red"

If the national terrorism threat level were ever to go to "Code Red," the country would "go into lockdown mode," related a March 30, 2003 Scripps-Howard story. "Planes could be grounded, trains could stop running, and bridges and tunnels could be closed. US borders might be sealed off, and roadblocks might be set up on interstates and major highways."

A Code Red alert would also serve "as an advisory to state and local officials, who then must decide whether to put in place protective measures," continues the account. As of last October 1, every community receiving DHS funds has pledged to implement the federal homeland security strategy. Former FBI Special Agent Sid Caspersen, New Jersey's state homeland security czar, explains how that strategy would affect the public. "You must adhere to the restrictions announced by the authorities and prepare to evacuate, if instructed," he told the March 16, 2003 Camden, New Jersey Courier-Post. "You literally are staying home, is what happens, unless you are required to be out."

Under a Code Red, summarizes the Courier-Post, "you will be assumed to be the enemy if you so much as venture outside your home." In prison parlance, this condition is known as a "lockdown."

A foretaste of the U.S. in lockdown mode was offered by New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina. National Guardsmen and troops from the 82nd Airborne were deployed in the city to deal with looting and other disturbances. Their first priority, chillingly, was to disarm private citizens and evict those who resisted evacuation orders.

"No one is allowed to be armed," declared superintended of police P. Edwin Compass III. To carry out that decree, the rump NOPD, supplemented with elements of the National Guard from Louisiana and Oklahoma, as well as agents of the U.S. Marshals Service, began "breaking into homes at gunpoint, confiscating their lawfully-owned firearms, and evicting the residents," reported Dave Kopel of the Independence Institute in Reason magazine.

In addition to being a constitutional outrage, this confiscation of firearms at the point of a bayonet is a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits the use of military personnel as law enforcement officers within the United States. That prohibition has become honeycombed with "exceptions" in recent decades, due to the "War on Drugs" and the "War on Terror." In New Orleans, a new and ominous wrinkle was added to the increasingly familiar militarization of law enforcement: The use of mercenaries on contract with the DHS.

"The men from Blackwater USA arrived in New Orleans right after Katrina hit," wrote Jeremy Scahill in an on-site report for The Nation. "Some patrolled the streets in SUVs with tinted windows and the Blackwater logo splashed on the back; others sped around the French Quarter in an unmarked car with no license plates." When asked by what authority they were operating in New Orleans, one armed Blackwater operative replied: "We're on contract with the Department of Homeland Security.... We can even make arrests and use lethal force if we deem it necessary." A separate contingent of 164 Blackwater operatives received a separate contract to provide security for FEMA reconstruction projects.

"This is a trend," one Blackwater mercenary told Scahill. "You're going to see a lot more guys like us in these situations."....

http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_3614.shtml

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Land of the Free? (Excerpt)
by William Norman Grigg
April 3, 2006

Under legal theories currently being developed and deployed, any individual can be imprisoned, tortured, or even executed on a presidential whim.

The U.S. Constitution was designed to prevent the emergence of a tyrannical government by delegating specific, limited, revocable authority to the central government, and then allocating that power among three contending government branches. That power is limited by law; those who exercise it are accountable to the people; and all but a very few government functions are to be carried out by state and local governments.

Our Constitution is still largely intact, and the institutions it created have not been utterly demolished. But our constitutional system has been under siege for decades, and confronts its most severe threat in the legal doctrines being devised by the Bush administration to conduct the "war on terror."

President as Living Constitution

During his January 26 press conference, President Bush was pressed to defend his administration's use of warrantless wiretaps, a policy that violates both the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution and the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Bush recited the now-familiar claim that when Congress enacted the September 14, 2001 "Authorization to Use Military Force" (AUMF) against those responsible for 9/11, it effectively alienated to the president plenary authority to do whatever he considers necessary in the anti-terrorism struggle.

"There is an act passed by Congress in 2001 which said that I must have the power to conduct this war using the incidents of war," stated Mr. Bush. "And I'm intending to use that power.... Congress says, go ahead and conduct the war, we're not going to tell you how to do it...."

In fact, as former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle has pointed out, the AUMF resolution was drafted in a fashion intended to deny the administration's request for open-ended domestic powers -- such as the ability to subject Americans to warrantless wiretaps. The Bush administration, however, has asserted that the president has the right to sign a bill into law and then use a "signing statement," a declaration by the president permitting him to interpret the bill as he sees fit -- even if in so doing he blatantly violates the explicit letter of the law.

The issue here isn't whether the president has a different "understanding" of the technical details of a bill, but whether he can sign a bill into law and then ignore it if he so chooses. When Mr. Bush signed a bill banning the use of torture, for example, he issued a "signing statement" reserving the option of waiving the ban as he saw fit. This means that the president announced his intention to violate that law even as he attached his signature to it. And this was hardly the first time that Mr. Bush had employed this tactic. Although he has yet to cast a single veto, Mr. Bush issued 435 signing statements in his first term alone. This eclipses the total number of signing statements issued between 1817 and the beginning of Mr. Bush's presidency in 2001.

In 95 of Mr. Bush's signing statements, mention is made of the doctrine of the "unitary executive," a phrase that has traditionally referred to the president's sole power to manage the affairs of the executive branch. As used by the Bush administration, however, the phrase refers to the claim that in wartime the president's powers are not subject to checks or limits by the legislative and judicial branches.

For the Bush administration and its followers, it is an article of faith that George W. Bush can and must be entrusted with essentially limitless powers. This was made explicit during a debate at the recent Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Washington between former Congressman Bob Barr and former Justice Department attorney Viet Dinh, a co-architect of the so-called USA Patriot Act.

"Do we truly remain a society that believes that … every president must abide by the law of this country?" asked Barr during his opening statement. Dinh replied by insisting that although conservatives have always displayed "a healthy skepticism of governmental power," there are times when "that healthy skepticism needs to yield." Referring to the administration's use of warrantless wiretaps as a specific case, Dinh declared: "None of us can make a conclusive assessment as to the wisdom of that [wiretapping] program and its legality, without knowing the full operational details. I do trust the president when he asserts that he has reviewed it carefully and therefore is convinced that there is full legal authority."

For decades, conservatives have properly assailed liberals for their belief in a "living Constitution" that can be reworked by activist judges to advance leftist social causes. Today, GOP-aligned conservatives treat the president as a living Constitution, free to exercise power in any way he sees fit.

In his book The Powers of War and Peace, former Justice Department official John C. Yoo, who wrote several key legal memoranda on presidential war powers, contends that the president in wartime is free to do anything Congress permits him to do. In a December 1 debate in Chicago with Notre Dame professor Doug Cassel, Yoo went even further, insisting that the president's wartime powers are his alone to define.

Yoo's legal handiwork includes an August 2002 memo (signed by former Deputy Attorney General Jay Bybee, who is now a federal judge) asserting that the president has a right to authorize torture. In the Chicago debate, Cassel inquired of Yoo: "If the President deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop him?" Yoo agreed, emphasizing that "no treaty" could restrain the president's supposed power to authorize such measures. "Also no law by Congress," Cassel continued. "That is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo." "I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that," Yoo responded....

http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_3613.shtml

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[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1187

There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Zionist Domination
From: "S Miles Lewis" <yahoolists@elfis.net>
2. Prologue to book-in-progress
From: janet phelan <jcphelan10@yahoo.com>
3. Re: Re: Zionist Domination
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
4. Dam Break for "9/11 Truth?" Press Release
From: John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net>
5. Re: No Plane Theory
From: Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>
6. CNN address to send comments on Charlie Sheen Appearance
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
7. Dam Break for "9/11 Truth?" Webster Tarpley and Charlie Sheen hit the Mainstream
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
8. Re: Re: Zionist Domination
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
9. Re: Zionist Domination
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
10. Re: Re: Zionist Domination
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
11. Re: Spitzer Truth Challenge - Wed. March 22nd
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
12. VIDEO CLIP of MOLTEN STEEL in Basement of WTC
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
13. A REAL Solution to Terror
From: "Zoe" <preferentiality257@yahoo.com>
14. Re: Re: Zionist Domination
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
15. Re: Re: Zionist Domination
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
16. Fw: [911war_profiteer_watch] Holmgren-Eastman
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
17. Guest: John Kaminski discussing his new books on 9/11
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
18. Dulles International Tape
From: "hvncb" <hvncb@yahoo.com>
19. Re: Re: Zionist Domination
From: "Dick Eastman" <de1949@nwinfo.net>
20. Answers to Holmgren while waiting for Burnand to reply
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
21. Re: Zionist Domination
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:13:45 -0000
From: "S Miles Lewis" <yahoolists@elfis.net>
Subject: Re: Zionist Domination

Thanks Naveed. I applaud your justified shock at Dick's ridiculous
assertion.

SMiles

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Naveed <flanker12k@...> wrote:
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> smiles a zionist??
>
> what does it matter if jones is part of some patriot saints
christian group?
>
> gary busey (spelling?) was in videos proclaiming inside job long
before sheen.....

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:21:44 -0800 (PST)
From: janet phelan <jcphelan10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Prologue to book-in-progress

It is just before midnight in late November. I have
> taken to carrying the sensitive papers with me in a
> green backpack, because every time I return home,
> more items are missing. Papers, jewelery, more
> papers; my assets and documents are being pilfered.
>
> Earlier in the evening, I stopped in at the Los
> Angeles Times. LAPD was guarding the lobby and the
> officer refused me access to the newsroom. I
> informed him I used to write for the paper, and
> needed to speak with Jim Newton. The officer became
> threatening, and I left.
>
> The Civic Center was deserted. I strolled around
> the buildings where Justice was supposedly posited:
> the US Courthouse, the D.A.'s building, carrying
> papers demonstrating that the system had been
> lacerated and was in fact, a sham. I noticed a police
> car drive by, then another, then two more.
>
> On my right the US Courthouse loomed imperiously. I
> approached with sudden intent. These papers showed
> a lethal and intentional malfunction of judges,
> police, attorneys, but all in a Superior Court. If
> I placed these papers in the US Courthouse, perhaps
> they would be found and someone, somehow would fix
> what Riverside Court had nearly destroyed: my
> family.
>
> A side door was unlocked. I slipped in and placed
> the green backpack in the middle of the lobby.
>
> "What are you doing" a female voice commanded.
>
> I turned to face a policewoman, hand on holster.
>
> "I'm leaving these papers here," I answered.
>
> "Pick them up," she ordered.
>
> "Someone needs to read them," I insisted.
>
> "Pick them up or I'll shoot." She was shouting now.
>
> I grabbed the pack, left the courthouse, and
> summarily deposited it on the steps of the
> Courthouse. I began walking down the street toward
> the busstop.
>
> Three police cars sped by in quiuck succession. I
> heard a backfire--was it a shot?--and I quickened to
> a trot. Turning the corner, several black and whites
> criss-crossed going both directions. I heard more
> back fire. I began to run.
>
> Wheeling around the corner, I faced a slew of cops,
> twenty five or thirty. I knew I'd better say
> something.
>
> I met the gaze of a female officer. She was
> thirty-something, with long dishwater blonde hair.
>
> "I loved my mother," I announced. "DId you love
> your mother?"
>
> She looked away.
>
> A brunette officer walked up to me with the green
> backpack I had left on the steps of the halls of
> Justice onlyminutes before.
>
> "Is this yours? she inquired.
>
> Walk away, a small voice said inside me.
>
> Walk away.
>
> "No, I don't think so," I said, and turned on my
> heel and strode down the street.
>
> Within a month, I was bought to the hospital
> unconscious. The police had gotten quite a bit more
> aggressive only thirty miles south, in Long Beach,
> where I had grown up.
>
> This is my mother's story. It is also mine. All
> too soon, it may be yours.

Janet Phelan
>
>

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:31:08 -0800
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Zionist Domination

The Zionists and the Chinese are allied. The Mideast Wars are to distract us and to exhaust us for the attack we are not expecting. 9/11 was Zionism (Mossad); organized crime Jewish Mafia and Chinese Triads); Anglo-American ruling elite crime families -- structurally represented by big finance and big (multi-national corps) business -- masterminded by the PLA. There is no better educated guess than that. And no, no one more believable than I is going to confirm this for you. You have to reach a decision on your own. I suggest you be quick about it.
-- Dick Eastman

From: Jolly Roger
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com

March 22, 2006

Zionist Domination

This is an excellent site to find out more about Zionism, it's grip on America, and it's plan to rule us all, if we're allowed to live. There are some excellent (and very revealing) interviews you should listen to. The threat of zionism is the bigger picture of 9-11 truth --- it gets worse.

http://iamthewitness.com/

"There comes a time when every man feels the urge to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and start slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:52:26 -0800
From: John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net>
Subject: Dam Break for "9/11 Truth?" Press Release

http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200603/1143065487.html

Dam Break for "9/11 Truth?" Webster Tarpley and Charlie Sheen hit the
Mainstream

CNN and New York Magazine interview Webster Tarpley, author of "9/11
Synthetic Terror:
Made in USA." Actor Charlie Sheen says the wildest conspiracy theory
is the official line.

It will be a first for America's mainstream media tonight. CNN
Headline News will air an interview with "9/11 Truth" author Webster
Griffin Tarpley on Showbiz Tonight (7-8 p.m., replay at 11).

Tarpley will comment on Sheen's remarks and size up the various
schools of "9/11 conspiracy" thought on CNN. The new edition of
Tarpley's "Synthetic Terror" points out the different viewpoints on
9/11, which range from the Bush administration version, to the
"bungling negligence" theory partly espoused by the 9/11 commission,
to the "Let It Happen on Purpose" or LIHOP theory, a compromise
popular among liberal intellectuals like Michael Moore.

CNN's move comes in the wake of a far-reaching article in New York
Magazine on the 9/11 controversy this week at
http://www.nymag.com/news/features/16464/index.html , which cited
Tarpley, plus hard-hitting comments by actor Charlie Sheen on the
Alex Jones talk radio show, infowars.com, on Monday, see
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm .

Tarpley's book, "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA" presents the
radical view of no hijackers, controlled demolition of the WTC, and
an inside job by a "rogue network esconced in key nodes of the
establishment." His Tarpley's publisher, John Leonard of Progressive
Press, is adamant that "LIHOP" is useless because it leaves intact
the story of Arab attackers, and thereby the pretext for war on the
Middle East. He and Tarpley subscribe to the "MIHOP" or "Made it
Happen on Purpose - from A to Z" explanation.

The precedent is Operation Northwoods, a 1962 plan by the Joint
Chiefs of Staff to fabricate an atrocity and blame it on Cuba. The
plot was nixed by Kennedy. Northwoods documents were released under
the FOIA act before Bush took power.

According to Alex Jones' website, "Actor Charlie Sheen has joined a
growing army of other highly credible public figures in questioning
the official story of 9/11 and calling for a new independent
investigation of the attack and the circumstances surrounding it.

"Over the past two years, scores of highly regarded individuals have
gone public to express their serious doubts about 9/11. These include
former presidential advisor and CIA analyst Ray McGovern, the father
of Reaganomics and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Paul
Craig Roberts, BYU physics Professor Steven Jones, former German
defense minister Andreas von Buelow, former MI5 officer David
Shayler, former Blair cabinet member Michael Meacher, former Chief
Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W.
Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds and many more....

"The star of current hit comedy show Two and a Half Men and dozens of
movies including Platoon and Young Guns, Sheen.... agreed that the
biggest conspiracy theory was put out by the government itself... It
seems to me like 19 amateurs with box cutters taking over four
commercial airliners and hitting 75% of their targets, that feels
like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of questions."

Tarpley's message to people of good will: "If you want to stop the
war in iraq, and prevent the attack on Iran, the only way to do it is
to put 9/11 truth on the front page everywhere. Make the official
version explode, or the bombs will."

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:22:24 +0100
From: Patrick BURNAND <pburnand@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: No Plane Theory

On Tuesday 21 March 2006 23:22, greg nixon wrote:
> The BTS does not list "flight 11" in the database.

I think the planes crashing at the WTC were not commercial airplaine.
But they were jetliners of similar size.
If the plane hitting the WTC was a cargo plane like someone of Fox News has
said, this explains why it's not in the database.

> Radar analysis for
> "flight 175 and 11" does not show them at the scene of the crime at the
> correct time.

I think the keys is in plane swapping, like explained in the northwoods
document.

I mean by plane swapping the idea that a real commercial plane with
passenger took off and landed somewhere and then another cargo/other plane
took off and crashed against the WTC.

This nicely, plausably and realisticly explains several things:
1) Why the trace of the "pentagon plane" disappeared over Ohio and then a
small dot "apparently from a military plane" appeared just at the pentagon.
2) The timing inconsistencies you mention
3) The bizarre thing that happened at Shankville which doesn't look like a
plane crash at all...

> In the Naudet 1st hit footage, there is nothing that is
> discernable as a jumbo jet.

Resolution problem, interlacing video and MPEG artifacts.

> the original eyewitness testimony was of a
> small commuter craft for ("flight 11")

> The 2nd hit none of the witnesses
> have checked out, there were reports of NOT seeing a plane.

Not seeing is not the same at seing that it's not there.
This depends of the position of the witnesses. People were all around the
WTC and since the WTC is not transparent, some have not seen it, logically.

> The 2nd hit
> footage looks highly suspicious upon entry into the WTC.

What I found suspicious here is that the plane made a sharp turn just before
impact. It has been reported that this exceeded software limits on
commercial planes.

This is again an argument in favor of large non-commercial (cargo/military)
plane and thus plane swapping.

What is also suspicious is the way there has been multiple giant fireballs
simultanously on all sides of the building... To me it looks like the WTC
has been prepared to generate Hollywood-like explosions...

> The exit of
> debris of the South tower looks like a white hot Uranium tipped missile
> head.

Right, which further supports that it was not a commercial airplane.
It's not possible to fix a missile on a commercial airplane. (The structure
is to light for this and people would obviously have noticed it)

> IMO....The video analyis of the CNN footage seems to lead to being
> a CGI/faked.

I don't think so... This are the typical things that happen with video
interlacing.

> The different footage from other sources appears to
> contradict each other(in flight trajectory).

This is not what I see.

> The only real "proof" seems
> to be merely the government's word.

And lots of video and pictures...

> The Amalgam Virgo 01 drill in June of
> 2001 which seems to be closely like 9/11 itself was a drill with cruise
> missile attacks. Perfect cover to carry out actual operation.
>
> Dick Eastman <de1949@nwinfo.net> wrote: Brother Greg,
>
> I may have missed something. Please list and briefly describe findings
> that leave your mind open to the idea that no jetliners crashed at the
> WTC on September 11, 2001. I am not looking for proof or certainty --
> but just something beyond the "finding" that "anything is possible."
>
> For example, if I believed that no firemen died at the WTC, I would
> have to give reasons for saying that -- something beyond merely saying
> "no one interviewed ever said they saw a fireman die" or "no fireman
> corpses have ever been photographed" etc.
>
> Yours in sweet sincerity,
>
> Brother Richard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: greg nixon
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] No Plane Theory
>
>
> Sorry I have to disagree with my brother Kevin. He cannot make a
> statement with absolute assurance when there is evidence to the contrary.
> There is enough evidence to say the alleged commercial aircraft i.e. 175
> and 11 did not hit the WTC, as for what hit the towers is ongoing and
> what researcher Ewing2001 calls "backend research." Brett if you think
> you can make the case that 'no planes' is 'dis-info' you are invited to
> test your debating skills against the researchers at Yahoo Group
> "planehuggers" Good Luck! Please see articles of recent note:
>
> http://www.reopen911.org/bluescreen.htm
>
> http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=we_have_holes
>
> http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911chron_timeline_nico.html
>
> Greg Nixon
>
> Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There is absolutely NO DOUBT that planes hit the wtc. We do NOT
> dissemenate hologram hogwash on this group. it is questionable what hit
> the pentagon but I personally dont dwell on that aspect too much. What
> IS known is that the man that the fbi said flew te plane into the
> pentagon could NOT have done so at all. He could not even drive a car.
> His name was Hani Hanjour. They named another man before him whose name
> escapes me at the moment who came forward and said HEY! I am ALIVE! You
> have named the wrong man! So they saw fit to pull Mr. Hanjour's name out
> of the very same hat as the other fellah.
>
> Kevin
> P.S. Welcome to the group. And please check out www.911research.com
> www.wtc7.net www.infowars.com www.globalresearch.ca and
> www.onlinejournal.com If you happen to live in San Francisco, Watch my
> weekly tv show on cable channel 29 every sat. night at midnite.
>
> Ben Kramer <benkramer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings Everyone,
>
>
> I have been a member here for less than two weeks, and I see that
> the "NO PLANE" theory has been often discussed. Its something that I
> heard and thought that it might be possible in the past but not now
> with one bit of evidence.
> If one carefully watches the video of the second plane that
> crashed into the WTC, you can see that one of the engines goes right
> thru the building and out on the other side of the building towards
> the street.
>
> I have seen pics of this engine on the Jeff Rense website where
> it had landed out on the street a couple of blocks from the WTC. An
> airplane mechanic has examined the picture and stated that he knows
> for sure that it didnt come from a commercial airliner.
>
> Based on this information I believe that its impossible that
> there was no plane that hit the WTC and I thinks its very possible
> that this theory is merely misinformation by certain entities that
> would like to derail the truth movement.
> Maybe Ben Chertoff planted this story outside of PM magazine ?
> Michael Chertoff's cousin. Anyway I welcome any and all comments on
> this issue.
>
> Brett K
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:35:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: CNN address to send comments on Charlie Sheen Appearance

http://edition.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5c.html?23

CNN address to send comments on Charlie Sheen Appearance

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:47:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Dam Break for "9/11 Truth?" Webster Tarpley and Charlie Sheen hit the Mainstream

http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200603/1143065487.html

CNN and New York Magazine interview Webster Tarpley,
author of "9/11
Synthetic Terror:
Made in USA." Actor Charlie Sheen says the wildest
conspiracy theory
is the official line.

It will be a first for America's mainstream media
tonight. CNN
Headline News will air an interview with "9/11 Truth"
author Webster
Griffin Tarpley on Showbiz Tonight (7-8 p.m., replay
at 11).

Tarpley will comment on Sheen's remarks and size up
the various
schools of "9/11 conspiracy" thought on CNN. The new
edition of
Tarpley's "Synthetic Terror" points out the different
viewpoints on
9/11, which range from the Bush administration
version, to the
"bungling negligence" theory partly espoused by the
9/11 commission,
to the "Let It Happen on Purpose" or LIHOP theory, a
compromise
popular among liberal intellectuals like Michael
Moore.

CNN's move comes in the wake of a far-reaching article
in New York
Magazine on the 9/11 controversy this week at
http://www.nymag.com/news/features/16464/index.html ,
which cited
Tarpley, plus hard-hitting comments by actor Charlie
Sheen on the
Alex Jones talk radio show, infowars.com, on Monday,
see
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm
.

Tarpley's book, "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA"
presents the
radical view of no hijackers, controlled demolition of
the WTC, and
an inside job by a "rogue network esconced in key
nodes of the
establishment." His Tarpley's publisher, John Leonard
of Progressive
Press, is adamant that "LIHOP" is useless because it
leaves intact
the story of Arab attackers, and thereby the pretext
for war on the
Middle East. He and Tarpley subscribe to the "MIHOP"
or "Made it
Happen on Purpose - from A to Z" explanation.

The precedent is Operation Northwoods, a 1962 plan by
the Joint
Chiefs of Staff to fabricate an atrocity and blame it
on Cuba. The
plot was nixed by Kennedy. Northwoods documents were
released under
the FOIA act before Bush took power.

According to Alex Jones' website, "Actor Charlie Sheen
has joined a
growing army of other highly credible public figures
in questioning
the official story of 9/11 and calling for a new
independent
investigation of the attack and the circumstances
surrounding it.

"Over the past two years, scores of highly regarded
individuals have
gone public to express their serious doubts about
9/11. These include
former presidential advisor and CIA analyst Ray
McGovern, the father
of Reaganomics and former Assistant Secretary of the
US Treasury Paul
Craig Roberts, BYU physics Professor Steven Jones,
former German
defense minister Andreas von Buelow, former MI5
officer David
Shayler, former Blair cabinet member Michael Meacher,
former Chief
Economist for the Department of Labor during President
George W.
Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds and many more....

"The star of current hit comedy show Two and a Half
Men and dozens of
movies including Platoon and Young Guns, Sheen....
agreed that the
biggest conspiracy theory was put out by the
government itself... It
seems to me like 19 amateurs with box cutters taking
over four
commercial airliners and hitting 75% of their targets,
that feels
like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of
questions."

Tarpley's message to people of good will: "If you want
to stop the
war in iraq, and prevent the attack on Iran, the only
way to do it is
to put 9/11 truth on the front page everywhere. Make
the official
version explode, or the bombs will."

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:07:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Zionist Domination

Funny you should mention that -- I saw the same thing, and I also wrote DBS a long letter asking him to stop attacking others in the movement.
DBS is having the same trouble many in the truth movement have had -- everyone who disagrees is a spy. He blasts Jones for not mentioning Zionism, just like we blast the LIHOPpers for not discussing controlled demolition.

S Miles Lewis <yahoolists@elfis.net> wrote:
Jolly, I've not followed DBSmith very closely but going to the link
you provided one of the first things that catches my eye is:

"Under-Reported News:
Charlie Sheen contacts Alex Jones to help expose 9-11
Sheen is wasting $150,000 per week on gambling, and he is trying to
use Heather Locklear to spy on his ex-wife. Why would an actor who
can easily be discredited as a Hollywood psycho decide to help Jones
expose 9-11? Is he trying to give credibility to Jones? Is it to give
9-11 research a bad image? Does it have anything to do with this
mysterious organization Jones belongs to?"

The last sentence links to this page:
<http://www.rsicc.org/Members/AlexJones/index.html>

On that page it clearly notes that this "mysterious organization"
voted to list AJ as an "honorary member".

While I too might question Sheen's recent 911 activism, if DBSmith's
investigative abilities include accusing AJ of belonging to a
mysterious religious group simply on the grounds that they posted his
pic on a page where they say they voted to have him as an honorary
member, then I have more doubts about DBSmith than I do about AJ.

Just a thought.

SMiles

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Jolly Roger
<slicingthroats@...> wrote:
>
> This is an excellent site to find out more about Zionism, it's grip
on America, and it's plan to rule us all, if we're allowed to live.
There are some excellent (and very revealing) interviews you should
listen to. The threat of zionism is the bigger picture of 9-11 truth -
-- it gets worse.
>
> http://iamthewitness.com/

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:24:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zionist Domination

Kevin -- I'm beginning to think the Zionists ARE the New Word Order, and they're going to set up their HQ in Israel after they're done sucking our nation dry financially, militarily, and environmentally (resources). They're running the whitle house, the pentagon, the courts, churches, the media and the money. They're getting ready to pull the plug on the good ol' USA, leave us all out to dry, and set up shop in Israel, with probably one of the Rothschilds as their messiah.
The Rothschild family -- (Fed Reserve, and inummerable other central banks world wide) founded many masonic lodges, and had the masons infiltrated with zionists before the French Revolution (which revolution. like ours, was at least partially funded by Rothschild money) They're the tie between the masons that have always ruled this country, and the zionists that control it now.

Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is GREAT! But Zionism is only ONE of the major tools of the illuminati/New World Order. And hey Jolly! Whatever happened to the gz flyers?! They are gone from the files section. I have woken a lot of people UP with those! And when are you gonna come out MY WAY?! I got a spot fer ya at my pad. Allbeit a small one.

Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote: This is an excellent site to find out more about Zionism, it's grip on America, and it's plan to rule us all, if we're allowed to live. There are some excellent (and very revealing) interviews you should listen to. The threat of zionism is the bigger picture of 9-11 truth --- it gets worse.

http://iamthewitness.com/

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:40:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Zionist Domination

No -- Smiles isn't a zionist -- that's just Eastman, and you should be used to it already. NO -- it doesn't matter that AJ was given an honorary membership in any group, regardless of how strange that group might be -- they are honoring him, and that doesn't mean the honor goes both ways. I think DBS is kinda new to the movement and has latched onto this zionism exlusively, and he faults AJ for not doing the same. It's similar to the battles between LIHOP and MIHOP proponants. DBS can be a bit one-sided at times, but some of the people he interviews on his show are top-notch historians, and are very educational.

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote: smiles a zionist??

what does it matter if jones is part of some patriot saints christian group?

gary busey (spelling?) was in videos proclaiming inside job long before sheen.....

Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
Charlie Sheen is an American, concerned for his country (the U.S.),
just as you are concerned for your country of choice, Israel.

----- Original Message -----
From: "S Miles Lewis" <yahoolists@elfis.net>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Zionist Domination

> Jolly, I've not followed DBSmith very closely but going to the link
> you provided one of the first things that catches my eye is:
>
> "Under-Reported News:
> Charlie Sheen contacts Alex Jones to help expose 9-11
> Sheen is wasting $150,000 per week on gambling, and he is trying to
> use Heather Locklear to spy on his ex-wife. Why would an actor who
> can easily be discredited as a Hollywood psycho decide to help Jones
> expose 9-11? Is he trying to give credibility to Jones? Is it to give
> 9-11 research a bad image? Does it have anything to do with this
> mysterious organization Jones belongs to?"
>
> The last sentence links to this page:
> <http://www.rsicc.org/Members/AlexJones/index.html>
>
> On that page it clearly notes that this "mysterious organization"
> voted to list AJ as an "honorary member".
>
> While I too might question Sheen's recent 911 activism, if DBSmith's
> investigative abilities include accusing AJ of belonging to a
> mysterious religious group simply on the grounds that they posted his
> pic on a page where they say they voted to have him as an honorary
> member, then I have more doubts about DBSmith than I do about AJ.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> SMiles
>
>
> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Jolly Roger
> <slicingthroats@...> wrote:
> >
> > This is an excellent site to find out more about Zionism, it's grip
> on America, and it's plan to rule us all, if we're allowed to live.
> There are some excellent (and very revealing) interviews you should
> listen to. The threat of zionism is the bigger picture of 9-11 truth -
> -- it gets worse.
> >
> > http://iamthewitness.com/
>
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:04:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Spitzer Truth Challenge - Wed. March 22nd

shit -- I dropped the ball on this one, Les -- I didn't look at my e-mail in almost a week, and now I'm sending it too late.

Les Jamieson <jazzyday@earthlink.net> wrote: Hey Jolly,

Hope you're well. I'd appreciate if you would send this to your list today.

Thanks,
Les

New Yorkers Challenge NY Attorney General Eliot SpitzerDATE: Wed., March 22nd, 2006
TIME: 12 pm – 2 pm
LOCATION: 120 Broadway (south of Fulton St., also home of Silverstein Properties!)

ADDITIONAL ACTIONS:
2 pm demonstration at Ground Zero
4 pm demonstration at Wall St. & Broadway to engage the financial district

In August of 2004, according to a Zogby Poll, 66% of the people of New York State wanted a real investigation into 9/11. You would think the NY State Attorney General, Eliot Spitzer, would recognize the call to action. However, he has been silent. Despite his inaction, it only stands to reason that now an even great number of New Yorkers recognize that the lies of Iraq, torture, wiretapping, Katrina, to name a few, underscore the fact that there is overwhelming evidence that we have been deceived about 9/11.

In November of 2004, an independent inquiry into the events of 9/11 titled “Citizens’ Complaint & Petition” was submitted to Eliot Spitzer’s office. His deputy, William Casey personally received it. In public events Mr. Spitzer was asked for a response to this Complaint, which he acknowledged knowing about. To this day there has been no response.

Now earlier this month, in special Congressional hearings on Able Danger we see more cause for suspicion. Able Danger was a Pentagon terrorist tracking operation. News broke last summer with whistleblowers reporting they knew about Mohamed Atta in early 2000, but experienced suppression of their testimony by the 9/11 Commission. Here is another scenario where Eliot Spitzer’s behavior raises more red flags which should outrage all Americans. He barred his top aide, Deputy Attorney General Dietrich Snell, from testifying at these hearings which occurred after 248 Congressmen petitioned the Pentagon.

In the 2004 book by five-time Emmy award-winning journalist Peter Lance called "Cover Up: What the Government is Still Hiding About the War on Terror", he makes a damning statement about Dietrich Snell. "Under objective circumstances, Snell would have made an important witness before the Commission. But in the heavily-conflicted world of the Commission staff, he was hired to be one of its senior attorneys and team leaders." According to Peter Lance, Dietrich Snell "was one of the fixers, hired early on to sanitize the Commission's final report."

To further illustrate the nature of this suspicious act by the top NY law enforcement officer, according to February 15th's New York Post, "Attorney General Eliot Spitzer personally intervened with a congressional panel to get a top aide out of testifying at an explosive hearing on pre-9/11 intelligence failures... the House Armed Services Committee had requested testimony of Deputy Attorney General Dietrich Snell -- a former top investigator with the 9/11 commission -- at a hearing today on 'Able Danger.'"

How could it be that Spitzer, who has won accolades for his successful legal actions against Wall St. financial institutions engaging in fraud, has acted to suppress information that would reveal what happened on 9/11 rather than bringing the full power of his office to investigate and expose every detail leading to the truth of what happened that horrific day?

We feel strongly he's guilty of Obstruction of Justice. We feel he is complicit to treason for actual government complicity for the crimes of 9/11 for which there is overwhelming evidence. We feel he is also complicit to fraud for not cooperating with the Able Danger investigation as well as not exposing the wholesale cover-up known as the 9/11 Commission Report. By his inaction, Spitzer showed whose side he is on.

Eliot Spitzer does not represent the people of New York or anyone other than the oligarchy. The evidence is, he represents the entrenched military/industrial/ congressional machine that is reaping billions of dollars in war profits and homeland security contracts. The terror economy is winning, while Americans pay the bill with treasure and lives, while functional democracy has become a myth.

The truth won’t wait forever. It's time to send a signal, Americans want truth and accountability for the crimes of 9/11. It's time to get into the streets to show our "leadership" we won't settle for the "big lie" they want us to believe. We owe it to the victims. We owe it to ourselves. See you there!

"There comes a time when every man feels the urge to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and start slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:22:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: VIDEO CLIP of MOLTEN STEEL in Basement of WTC

I found this video clip that shows a recovery worker
at WTC discussing the MOLON STEEL in the basement of
the Towers six weeks after the hit.

This is irrefuteable evidence for skeptics who can't
yet believe what we must show them.

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/red_hot_ground_zero_low_quality.wmv

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:29:43 -0000
From: "Zoe" <preferentiality257@yahoo.com>
Subject: A REAL Solution to Terror

---Ranked Ballot, "RB", each voter ranking all candidates in order of
preference, & only Ranked Ballot, will give us
A Perfect Marriage of Freedom & Justice, Tradition & Modernity
Instant GLOBAL True Democracy
The Most Free Market, Cooperation AND Community Possible
All the Payback, Catch-up & Makeup One Could Wish
Ecological Politics & Political Ecology
&
A REAL Solution to Terror.

---Because it always elects the candidate most exactly in the middle
of all
voting, Ranked Ballot is "top-dead-center-counter-extremist" & thus
more
anti-terrorist than all the recent retrenchments combined. While it
would
be equally useful for all else, RB's real power is perhaps most
clearly
shown in the case of potential inter-tribal war, as in Iraq. Had
they
not chosen to require a 2/3 vote for their Prime Minister, "The
Week",
022406, a "variant" of RB, Parliament might have lacked stability, &
the
world would have been in danger of going to war over some oil well,
or
multi-ethnic city. RB would be equally useful for all other
parliamentary
&/or presidential systems, cooperatives, collective leaderships,
tribal
groupings, religious confessions, political parties & associations as
well.
---Because it gives the minorities a real say in which majority
member gets
chosen, RB is the only thing that will lead them to support of any
plan more
than inadequate confederation.
---Because it gives all combinations of programs, not just parties,
an equal
chance, RB is the only thing that's truly just.
---Because it provides real-time alternatives to all proposals, from
wherever:
market, coop or social, RB has brakes, reverse, 3D hyper-drive & goes
sideways. It will result in "phantasmagoric subtlefaction". Both
more
Liberty and Justice can be found in RB than in any ideology. Help
put this
idea, in time (before "clockwork orange", "1984", cosmic collision
"category seven", economic collapse or literalist contratemps) to as
many
as possible. The $15,000 cost of a single full-page ad in USA Today,
enough to put RB to virtually everyone involved on earth, would be
repaid
in a year & a half at the pre-9/11 US annual defense spending of
$10,000
per family.
---We imagine running on the single issue of RB, allowing a citizens'
advisory board based on"Organized Communications" ("OC", small
randomly assigned discussion groups electing reps to higher & higher
levels by means of RB til one small group, exactly in the middle,
remains)
to guide us in the rest. You do the same, from the most local on
up. Ten
to the power of ten: ten levels of random groups of ten, would be
sufficient
to organize & unite all mankind. The "additive" form of RB, is to
count
first choices & then, if noone has 50 %, to add in the next choices,
& so on, until someone finally does. RB is the sole unchangeable
plank & bylaw
of the Preferential (what RB's called in Robert's Rules of Order)
Ballot Party, the only practicable third party. (The more skewed
(less top
dead center) "eliminative", & more commonly espoused, form of RB, is
called "IRV" (Instant Runoff Voting.)
---While the Iraqis saw fit to include the need of an (elitist
minimalist) 2/3
vote in the new Iraqi constitution for PM, neither the Reps nor Dems
spoke
out for a super majority during the recent Supreme Court
confirmations. Good enough for emergency situations, Australia, New
Zealand, Kerala India, Iraq, London, Ireland, Cambridge Mass,
Vermont,
Ferndale Mich (?), Frisco, Berkeley, the House Reps for selecting the
majority
leader, the Utah Republican Party for nominations, & both the Greens
&
Libertarians, but not good enough for the common man? Must be
in somebody's interest. How can we ask it of others if we do not
have it ourselves? I should accept if my name wins with the write-
ins.
"Zoe", founder
realzoe@hotmail.com
USA, Planet Earth

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:52:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Zionist Domination

They will be known by their fruits. Period.

Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote: Funny you should mention that -- I saw the same thing, and I also wrote DBS a long letter asking him to stop attacking others in the movement.
DBS is having the same trouble many in the truth movement have had -- everyone who disagrees is a spy. He blasts Jones for not mentioning Zionism, just like we blast the LIHOPpers for not discussing controlled demolition.

S Miles Lewis <yahoolists@elfis.net> wrote:
Jolly, I've not followed DBSmith very closely but going to the link
you provided one of the first things that catches my eye is:

"Under-Reported News:
Charlie Sheen contacts Alex Jones to help expose 9-11
Sheen is wasting $150,000 per week on gambling, and he is trying to
use Heather Locklear to spy on his ex-wife. Why would an actor who
can easily be discredited as a Hollywood psycho decide to help Jones
expose 9-11? Is he trying to give credibility to Jones? Is it to give
9-11 research a bad image? Does it have anything to do with this
mysterious organization Jones belongs to?"

The last sentence links to this page:
<http://www.rsicc.org/Members/AlexJones/index.html>

On that page it clearly notes that this "mysterious organization"
voted to list AJ as an "honorary member".

While I too might question Sheen's recent 911 activism, if DBSmith's
investigative abilities include accusing AJ of belonging to a
mysterious religious group simply on the grounds that they posted his
pic on a page where they say they voted to have him as an honorary
member, then I have more doubts about DBSmith than I do about AJ.

Just a thought.

SMiles

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Jolly Roger
<slicingthroats@...> wrote:
>
> This is an excellent site to find out more about Zionism, it's grip
on America, and it's plan to rule us all, if we're allowed to live.
There are some excellent (and very revealing) interviews you should
listen to. The threat of zionism is the bigger picture of 9-11 truth -
-- it gets worse.
>
> http://iamthewitness.com/

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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:26:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Zionist Domination

that's what i was thinking, what have they brought to the table.

wingnut-TV has lost 99.9% of the respect I had for them before they decided to go rabid foaming mouth dog on everyone. Now I make it a point NOT to go to their stuff because of their bad mouthing.

One other thing, Mr. Eastman I did NOT appreciate you insinuating that mr. nixon is "cut from the same cloth" as webfairy...... to THIS DAY people are arguing about whether the limo driver shot kennedy or not........it doesn't change the fact that there was a conspiracy to murder kennedy contrary to the official fairytale written by the warren commission.

I can tolerate just about anything, almost anything, but when you belittle a fellow activist on the basis of differences of opinion, i have a problem with that sir.

Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
They will be known by their fruits. Period.

Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote: Funny you should mention that -- I saw the same thing, and I also wrote DBS a long letter asking him to stop attacking others in the movement.
DBS is having the same trouble many in the truth movement have had -- everyone who disagrees is a spy. He blasts Jones for not mentioning Zionism, just like we blast the LIHOPpers for not discussing controlled demolition.

S Miles Lewis <yahoolists@elfis.net> wrote:
Jolly, I've not followed DBSmith very closely but going to the link
you provided one of the first things that catches my eye is:

"Under-Reported News:
Charlie Sheen contacts Alex Jones to help expose 9-11
Sheen is wasting $150,000 per week on gambling, and he is trying to
use Heather Locklear to spy on his ex-wife. Why would an actor who
can easily be discredited as a Hollywood psycho decide to help Jones
expose 9-11? Is he trying to give credibility to Jones? Is it to give
9-11 research a bad image? Does it have anything to do with this
mysterious organization Jones belongs to?"

The last sentence links to this page:
<http://www.rsicc.org/Members/AlexJones/index.html>

On that page it clearly notes that this "mysterious organization"
voted to list AJ as an "honorary member".

While I too might question Sheen's recent 911 activism, if DBSmith's
investigative abilities include accusing AJ of belonging to a
mysterious religious group simply on the grounds that they posted his
pic on a page where they say they voted to have him as an honorary
member, then I have more doubts about DBSmith than I do about AJ.

Just a thought.

SMiles

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Jolly Roger
<slicingthroats@...> wrote:
>
> This is an excellent site to find out more about Zionism, it's grip
on America, and it's plan to rule us all, if we're allowed to live.
There are some excellent (and very revealing) interviews you should
listen to. The threat of zionism is the bigger picture of 9-11 truth -
-- it gets worse.
>
> http://iamthewitness.com/

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:14:34 -0800
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Fw: [911war_profiteer_watch] Holmgren-Eastman

From: Dick Eastman
To: 911war_profiteer_watch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: [911war_profiteer_watch] Holmgren-Eastman

Gerard Holmgren wrote:
> The main thing which is dead is Eastman's reasoning ability. Every time he
> gets whipped on the physics of the issue, he resorts to speculation.

Holmgren does not explain what he is referring to, so don't bother looking.

>
> Below he speculates about what would or would not have been safe to do from
> the perps POV.

Not from the perps POV, but from the essential precautionary requirements of their mission.
>
> You can speculate as much as you like, but that does not make it possible
> for a real plane to ghost away into nothing.

The projectile-plane traveling faster than a bullet, penetrated a single wall of South Tower, hitting the core inside the building, except for the starboard engine, which came flying out another wall. Engergy increases with the square of the speed -- so this was nothing so puny as the energy of a plane as it comes in for a landing -- this jetliner was travelling over 500 mph -- tremendous force. The clean penetration is exactly what one would expect -- and what the hole in the building indicates.

> It does not turn a pulsating
> little blob into a giant jetliner. It does not make a cartoon real. It does
> not inviolate the laws of physics, which show that it is impossible for the
> damage to have been caused by a large plane.

You are blowing smoke up everyone's ass Holmgren -- and more people
are realizing it.

>
> So the very basis of Eastman's speculation is flawed, even if the specifics
> of his speculation were internally reasonable.

No speculation. No flaw. Reasonable and appropriate inside and out.
>
> But even on that count, his message below fails miserably. Lets us
> deconstruct some of the assumptions behind it.

Deconstruction is a two-way street -- observe:

>
> [[By the time the second
> tower was hit the entire population must have been made aware of the
> crash. In New York a large fraction of households and businesses have
> video cameras. Now there is no way the perpetrators of the 9/11 attack
> could know how many video cameras would be trained on the towers when
> the second tower was struck. [ManObserving from up to five or 10 miles
> away]
>
> Suppose you were planning to attack the WTC using the "no planes"
> strategy of explosions but no airliners, of just cartoons shown on TV.
> After the North Tower was hit there is no way of determining how many
> thousand -- or million -- eyes would be on the damaged North Tower when
> the "explosions" were to be set off to create the airplane shaped holes
> in the wall. This means that the would have been no way for the
> "no-planes" conspirators to know that there would not be 5 or 10 or 50
> video recordings of the explosion happening without any airplanes to see
> it, video recordings that would contradict and possibly outnumber the
> conspirator's own disinfo cartoons on the air. There is also no way of
> knowing how many people would have been looking at the building and
> would have seen an explosion suddenly appear on the wall without any
> airplane going in. ]]
>
> Firstly , let me correct the inevitable misattribution of views which has
> crept in there. Eastman attributes to us a view that *nothing* hit the Sth
> tower. While those of us who are open minded enough to carefully examine the
> evidence have still not entirely ruled out this possibility, it is a
> misattribution to say that it is our belief.

Watch the fudge, here, Holmgren. Eastman made it clear that he is arguing against your proposition that "no plane" hit the South Tower. That is what you and Grable have been arguing. I have carefully examined the evidence and that is what I conclude -- and I have looked at the evidence that you tell us that you looked at too -- and I conclude from that that you went beyond your data in reaching your "no-plane" conclusions.
>
> Myself, I think it more likely that there was some kind of striking object,
> for the Sth tower, but I am also carefully listening to and weighing the
> opposing view. Planehuggers froth at the mouth at the idea of taking more
> than 2 seconds to come to a conclusion, or of that dreadful sin, leaving the
> question as still open.

I take more than two seconds to reach my conclusions.

>
> But to the main point. The psyop was carefully crafted for just the purpose
> that Eastman was talking about.
>
> All attention was on the opposite side of where the Sth tower was hit. If
> anyone had a camera , why would they be taking videos or pictures of the
> South side of the Sth tower, when all the action was around the other side ?

We are talking about New York City, New Jersey and all the ships in the Harbor -- many of them viewing from a distance. All one needs to see is the plane approaching the buildings -- if as it is getting closer and closer it disappears behind the building and a large explosion from that vicinity immediately follows -- and we see no plane fly away -- then that is good enough for me and it is good enough for any unbiased intelligent person looking at the question. Over a range of angles and distances both buildings were visible so that someone could be looking at the buring north tower with the south tower in site and the sky environing both buildings.
>
> That is presumably why the hits were organized in that way. It does not rule
> out any possibility of someone having a camera ready for the Sth tower hit -
> anything is possible - but it makes the probability negligible.

You call that "deconstruction"? I call it stupidity. If I am looking at the twin towers from Brooklyn because the North Tower is burning, I am going to see both towers and it would be very difficult to miss a jetliner flying to and crashing into the South Tower. "Negligible" my ass!

>Probably
> less likely than someone having a camera handy to film a street assault.
> Because anyone with a camera would already be getting everything they could
> of the Nth tower situation with no idea of what was to come - on the
> opposite side of the tower complex.

People have many good reasons for filming from a distance -- as when at a distance is where they happen to be. People could have cameras at their homes or in offices in tall skyscrapers facing the WTC. I'm talking about scenes like this:

+ [] []***

where "+" is the plane "[] []" is the towers, and "***" is smoke coming from North Tower.

>
> Secondly, if there were no striking object at all, then obviously nobody is
> going to be filming "nothing".

What a self-satisfied dumbbell you are. People would be looking at both towers at the same time, taking in the sky surrounding the towers too. (See my diagram.)
And even people filiming the south tower crash might also be able to see the plane approaching both towers from "behind" although they would not be able to see the actual entry of South Tower on the other side.
>
> "I think I'll film that patch of sky over there, just in case a plane
> appears, or just in case the Sth tower happens to explode around about the
> 60th storey without a plane hitting it, then I'll be filming the sky in just
> the right spot so I can prove that there wasn't any plane."

"I think Gerard Holmgren is in love with himself -- and it has caused him to become blind."

>
> In the event of there being no striking object - which after all, was what
> Eastman was attempting to portray as our solid view - no one would have *any
> reason* to be pointing their camera at that area until after the explosion.

Once again, yes they would. They would be taking shots that included both buildings from angles where they could see the smoke pouring from North Tower and also see the other tower and some of the sky behing it. My point remains undemolished: perpetrators of a "no planes" scenario could not know in advance that there would not be 10 or 20 or 50 cameras trained on both towers that would see the second plane strike -- not to mention the hundreds or thousands or even millions of eyes focused on the buildings. They would not have risked that must "contradiction" -- they had to have used planes.
>
> Now suppose that it was struck by a small non plane object.

The hole in the wall is too small for that. There are video recordings of a jetliner hitting the South Tower. You can suppose all you want -- but don't confuse your suppositions with the established fact that the plane was there.

>
> Even big planes traveling at modest speeds, further away, can sometimes be
> difficult to catch on camera,

Well you have just blown yourself away on the Naudit video --

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:24:17 -0700
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:52:12 -0000
From: "hvncb" <hvncb@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dulles International Tape

This was on CNN tonight; has anyone seen this tape?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/22/moussaoui.trial/index.html

""The jury was shown the security tape of the five Pentagon hijackers passing through
security screening at Dulles International Airport outside Washington. The video showed
how carry-on luggage belonging to hijacker Nawaf al-Hazmi was swabbed for explosives
residue and then returned to him.""

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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:15:28 -0800
From: "Dick Eastman" <de1949@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Zionist Domination

From: Naveed
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Re: Zionist Domination

...

One other thing, Mr. Eastman I did NOT appreciate you insinuating that mr. nixon is "cut from the same cloth" as webfairy...... to THIS DAY people are arguing about whether the limo driver shot kennedy or not........it doesn't change the fact that there was a conspiracy to murder kennedy contrary to the official fairytale written by the warren commission.

I can tolerate just about anything, almost anything, but when you belittle a fellow activist on the basis of differences of opinion, i have a problem with that sir.

===========

Mr. Nixon and Webfairy hold the same position on whether or not planes hit the twin towers -- they use the same arguments -- I state this, I do not "insinuate" it.

If I thought Mr. Nixon and Webfairy were fellow investigators/activists I would not oppose them. If I did not see their messages as intentionally false in order to discredit all 9-11 investigators I would certainly prefer to ignore them.

Furthermore, I believe you fail us all in not seeing them for what they are.

----- Original Message -----
From: Naveed
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Re: Zionist Domination

that's what i was thinking, what have they brought to the table.

wingnut-TV has lost 99.9% of the respect I had for them before they decided to go rabid foaming mouth dog on everyone. Now I make it a point NOT to go to their stuff because of their bad mouthing.

One other thing, Mr. Eastman I did NOT appreciate you insinuating that mr. nixon is "cut from the same cloth" as webfairy...... to THIS DAY people are arguing about whether the limo driver shot kennedy or not........it doesn't change the fact that there was a conspiracy to murder kennedy contrary to the official fairytale written by the warren commission.

I can tolerate just about anything, almost anything, but when you belittle a fellow activist on the basis of differences of opinion, i have a problem with that sir.

Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
They will be known by their fruits. Period.

Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote:
Funny you should mention that -- I saw the same thing, and I also wrote DBS a long letter asking him to stop attacking others in the movement.
DBS is having the same trouble many in the truth movement have had -- everyone who disagrees is a spy. He blasts Jones for not mentioning Zionism, just like we blast the LIHOPpers for not discussing controlled demolition.

S Miles Lewis <yahoolists@elfis.net> wrote:
Jolly, I've not followed DBSmith very closely but going to the link
you provided one of the first things that catches my eye is:

"Under-Reported News:
Charlie Sheen contacts Alex Jones to help expose 9-11
Sheen is wasting $150,000 per week on gambling, and he is trying to
use Heather Locklear to spy on his ex-wife. Why would an actor who
can easily be discredited as a Hollywood psycho decide to help Jones
expose 9-11? Is he trying to give credibility to Jones? Is it to give
9-11 research a bad image? Does it have anything to do with this
mysterious organization Jones belongs to?"

The last sentence links to this page:
<http://www.rsicc.org/Members/AlexJones/index.html>

On that page it clearly notes that this "mysterious organization"
voted to list AJ as an "honorary member".

While I too might question Sheen's recent 911 activism, if DBSmith's
investigative abilities include accusing AJ of belonging to a
mysterious religious group simply on the grounds that they posted his
pic on a page where they say they voted to have him as an honorary
member, then I have more doubts about DBSmith than I do about AJ.

Just a thought.

SMiles

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Jolly Roger
<slicingthroats@...> wrote:
>
> This is an excellent site to find out more about Zionism, it's grip
on America, and it's plan to rule us all, if we're allowed to live.
There are some excellent (and very revealing) interviews you should
listen to. The threat of zionism is the bigger picture of 9-11 truth -
-- it gets worse.
>
> http://iamthewitness.com/

"There comes a time when every man feels the urge to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and start slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken

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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:28:21 -0800
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Answers to Holmgren while waiting for Burnand to reply

> From: Gerard Holmgren <holmgren@iinet.net.au>
> Subject: Duck vs WTC Core
> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 >
>
>
> Patrick Burnand writes
>
> [[The kinetic energy is proportional to the mass and the square of the
> speed.

> Even if it were possible for a jet to easily pierce the outer wall, it
> cannot do so making a cartoon shape of itself *and* destroy itself in the
> process.

The plane penetrated the outer wall. It was stopped by the inner core. The hole made in the South Tower wall roughly fits the shape of the plane. The same of the hole fits the shape of the object that pushed through it.

> That's simple conservation of energy.

The engery of the moving plane was transferred to the core and to tearing up the plane after it hit the core.

> An object cannot exhibit in
> relation to the other object, both overwhelming strength and fragility at
> the same time.

The outer wall was not massive enough to absorb the energy of the plane at that velocity -- the core was. The wall was penetrated by the force of the projectile-plane, the core was not.

As explained in more detail by my forensic article and also
> that by Morgan Reynolds. This simply does not happen in the real world. If
> it did, then arrows would disintegrate after they pass through the target.

Depends on what the target is made of and how fast the arrow is going.
>
> 2. Plane wings and tails are not battering rams. They are engineered such
> that the aircraft is considered safe if they break at stresses 1.5 times the
> normal operating stresses.

Your little factoid is being overplayed, don't you think? Portions of wing were either massive enough to penetrate the wall at that high speed or they were not. The shape of the how indicates that much of the length of wing penetrated, but the tips of the wings perhaps did not. It's that simple.

>
> I'd say that having the fuselage that they are attached to destroyed and
> then having the wings and tailed rammed against steel construction beams
> built to hold up one of the world's tallest buildings is more than 1.5 times
> the normal operating stress.

Like I say, you are overplaying your factoid. At that velocity (faster than a bullet fired from a handgun) when hitting the wall parts of the plane are either going to penetrate, disintegrate or bounce off -- most of the plane penetrated the wall. The plane was stopped by the core, except for the starboard engine which went flying out through the other wall. All what one would expect, your meaningless factoid notwithstanding.
>
> Planes get holes put in them by hitting birds. They don't slice steel
> construction beams like a guillotine ! Get real, you guys !

Sorry -- if birds can bust through metal cockpits at high enough speeds, than a full size airliner can penetrate thin steel and glass walls.

> There are similar examples. A MD jet in 1999, which landed hurriedly
> trying to avoid a thunderstorm, overshot the runway, and collided with a
> lightly built steel lighting tower. The tower was virtually undamaged and
> the plane's wings broke off and the fuselage broke into three pieces and
> scattered all over the place.

You ignore the fact that the plane was trying to land -- that it was going very slow. Planes are flimsy and they break apart easily. But as the speed increases the force increases geometrically -- so that the force increases much more by added speed than by added mass. As Burnand the kinetic energy increases so much that the two cases are not comparable.

Remember, jetliners hit the twin towers, but not the Pentagon.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington

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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:04:51 -0500
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Zionist Domination

Hey Jolly Roger,i agree with you 100%,there could not be any other
explanation for the things that have been happening,i have come to that same
conclusion myself,makes me sick !!! I fear we must have a Revolution
soon,for one thing i do not think that they would permit a female president
be in the Freemasons...Kitty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Zionist Domination

> Kevin -- I'm beginning to think the Zionists ARE the New Word Order, and
they're going to set up their HQ in Israel after they're done sucking our
nation dry financially, militarily, and environmentally (resources).
They're running the whitle house, the pentagon, the courts, churches, the
media and the money. They're getting ready to pull the plug on the good ol'
USA, leave us all out to dry, and set up shop in Israel, with probably one
of the Rothschilds as their messiah.
> The Rothschild family -- (Fed Reserve, and inummerable other central
banks world wide) founded many masonic lodges, and had the masons
infiltrated with zionists before the French Revolution (which revolution.
like ours, was at least partially funded by Rothschild money) They're the
tie between the masons that have always ruled this country, and the zionists
that control it now.
>
> Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is GREAT! But Zionism is only ONE of the major tools of the
illuminati/New World Order. And hey Jolly! Whatever happened to the gz
flyers?! They are gone from the files section. I have woken a lot of
people UP with those! And when are you gonna come out MY WAY?! I got a
spot fer ya at my pad. Allbeit a small one.
>
> Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote: This is an excellent
site to find out more about Zionism, it's grip on America, and it's plan to
rule us all, if we're allowed to live. There are some excellent (and very
revealing) interviews you should listen to. The threat of zionism is the
bigger picture of 9-11 truth --- it gets worse.
>
> http://iamthewitness.com/
>
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