There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Re: "DO YOU WISH?" was a right wing power kiss up wish list
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
2. Re: The Limits of the Internet or The Silence Of the Streets
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
3. Re: The Limits of the Internet or The Silence Of the Streets
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
4. Here is some 9/11 attack predictions from 1995
From: "kattmanduu" <kattmann@valornet.com>
5. Re: Here is some 9/11 attack predictions from 1995
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
6. RE: Do we have any Psy-Ops \ Disinformation, here @ 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com ?
From: "Eva Walker" <cowgirl269704@msn.com>
7. RE: 3rd. Plane
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
8. RE: "DO YOU WISH?" was a right wing power kiss up wish list
From: "Linda" <lindam@charter.net>
9. Re: "DO YOU WISH?" was a right wing power kiss up wish list AND Robin Williams
From: "Tom" <Tom@RepresentativePress.org>
10. internet and politics
From: BruceMajorRE@aol.com
11. Re: [JudgedMenAllianceForTomorrow] AT&T in $67 billion deal to buy BellSouth
From: Bugs <brawny@twlakes.net>
12. Have I been hacked?...Hummm have I been shut down?
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
13. re:An insider�s view! 3-6-06
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
14. Re: 3rd. Plane
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
15. Re: Have I been hacked?...Hummm have I been shut down?
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:57:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: "DO YOU WISH?" was a right wing power kiss up wish list
tom why the hell did you join this list?
to learn more about 9/11 the inside jobness of it or to piss off a bunch of people trying to slow/stop our descent in to abomination of an orwellian totalitarian america?
why
you ignore my points you can't seem to argue in regards to 9/11. THERE IS ASSLOADS OF EVIDENCE IMPLICATING CRIMINAL ELEMENTS WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT FOR HAVING CARRIED OUT 9/11 TO KICK OFF THE WHORE ON TERRORISM!!!!
give me ONE good reason why you should remain on this list?!
John Perna <savefreedom2005@yahoo.com> wrote:
You seem to have missed the point that this post urges the
United States to
STOP ALL OF THE MEDDLING IN THE REST OF THE WORLD.
You say it is bad, and I say the we should stop.
So why do we disagree?
Tom <Tom@RepresentativePress.org> wrote: --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, John Perna
<savefreedom2005@...> wrote:
>
> The post was not about getting INTO the war.
> The post was about getting OUT the war.
>
Your response is a non sequitur. I wasn't arguing that it was about
getting into the war. I was talking about the nonsence that the post
wished for. Yes it was about getting out of the war. It is what a
clueless right wing extremist apologist for U.S. power would think is
a good way to get out of the war. Why are you posting stuff like
that? Do you even understand what you posted?
Yes it was about getting out and rewarding the war criminals that
started the war and punishing those that refused to participate. WHY
DO YOU WISH FOR THAT?
The post also said, "In the future, together with Congress, I will
work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing problems we
still have at home. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations.
Attack us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your
friends from the face of the earth. Thirsting for a good country to
terrorize? Try Cuba ..."
You posted a self righteous and clueless post that assumes the party
line that the U.S. is not a terrorist organization and is simply a
victim of terrorism. Unbelievable! After all the years of U.S.
terrorism against Cuba you post something like "DO YOU WISH".
"For more than 40 years, anti-Cuba terrorist organizations based in
Miami have engaged in countless terrorist activities against Cuba, and
against anyone who advocates a normalization of relations between the
U.S. and Cuba. More than 3,000 Cubans have died as a result of these
terrorists' attacks." Seems you never heard of the Cuban Five either.
They were trying to prevent terrorist attacks on their country of
Cuba. http://www.freethefive.org/
"US terrorism against Cuba has been going on since 1959 and the fact
that the US can label Cuba a terrorist state when it has been carrying
out a major terrorist campaign against Cuba since 1959, picking up
heavily in the'60s and peaking in the `70s in fact, that's pretty
astonishing.
But I think if you do a careful study of the American media and
intellectual journals and intellectual opinions and so on, you will
find nothing about this and not a word suggesting that there is
anything strange about it. And if you look at the scholarly literature
on terrorism by people like Walter Laqueur and other respected
scholars, and take a look at the index, you find Cuba mentioned often
and if you look at the page references, what is mentioned is
suspicions that Cuba may have been involved in some terrorist actions,
but what you will not find is a reference to the very well documented
US terrorist operations against Cuba. And that is not controversial.
We have reams of declassified government documents on it. There is
extensive scholarship on it, but it cannot enter into public
discourse. It's a pretty remarkable achievement, not just of the media
but of the intellectual community altogether." -
http://www.walterlippmann.com/Chomsky-Cuba.html
And here you are John posting something like "DO YOU WISH" that
regurgitates the same false world view of the media and the dominant
intellectual community. You post something that supports the status
quo and denies the ugly realities.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 5:53 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911TruthAction] "DO YOU WISH?" was a right wing power kiss
up wish list
>
> The "DO YOU WISH?" post was of a right wing power kiss up wish list
>
> John Perna wrote, "Yes, but right now we could only get public support
> for this" and Naveed wrote, "LMAO!!!! couldn't have said it better!"
>
> John what you posted was a right wing power kiss up wish list.
>
> Your post acts like the Iraq war was a good thing and that the world
> should be grateful. Your post talks about rewarding the countries that
> participated in the illegal war on Iraq. Your post acts like U.S.
> foreign policies are something the world should be grateful for. You
> wish that President Bush would punish countries that didn't go along
> with the war of aggression on Iraq?!!?
>
> John Perna and Naveed, you guys think the 911 Truth Action members
> should be having wish lists that are indistinguishable from right wing
> extremist apologists for U.S. government power? I really don't think
> you two have a grasp on the Iraq war or U.S. foreign polices. Agreeing
> with that wish list makes you sound exactly like "people who have
> obviously been brainwashed by republican talk radio"
>
> When you post stuff like "Nearly a century of trying to help folks
> live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying
> enmity of just about everyone on the planet" you really expose
> yourself as someone who doesn't have a clue what harm U.S. policy
> makers have been doing to people around the world.
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:01:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The Limits of the Internet or The Silence Of the Streets
this is a war for the minds of americans, 911truthaction is an outpost for the truth on the cyberfrontier.
as more people take the cold shower of reality they will NEED to comfort of knowing they are not crazies or alone when they realize the criminality of 9/11, that WILL EMBOLDEN THEM into making noise about the police state instead of passively accepting it as a fact of life.
alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com> wrote:
Greg,
I find this article to be flawed and unrealistic. First, the author neglects to consider that gov't propaganda and it's media control startegy works differently now from the way it did in her examples. Second, she fails to realize that most people can not afford to take off work long enough to be out on the street for days and days and days, as she recommends. Thus, we couldn't get the massive crowds that would be effective. Third, even when massive protests were formed, as in the anti-Iraq protests of 2003, the consolidated media simply ignored it in favor of Kobe Bryant & Martha Stewart. Thus, 95% of Americans probably don't even know those protests happened.
But...
95% of Americans are on the internet!
The key is in finding those people and reaching them (through debate forums, newsgroups, letter writing, etc) instead of wasting our time just preaching to the choir and feeling like righteous insiders.
I'm not saying that going out on the street is ineffective. I do it myself when I hand people flyers or post them on cars. And if I were in Vermont, I'd be out there with you. But I'm in Arizona, and despite my best efforts, I can't find one goddamn person to help me set up a 9/11 truth table or carpool to a protest or participate in an action event.
But I can get online. And who knows, maybe if enough of us are successful in waking people up online, we'll be able to recruit more people to join us out on the streets.
So I've always said that when it comes to spreading 9/11 truth, do what you feel most inspired to do and what you feel most competent doing. Just do something!
So I find your pessimism about the internet unwarranted. It may not be perfect, but it's better than nothing. So let's use it while we still can!
Greg Nixon <nixongreg@msn.com> wrote:
Attn: Jolly
I think at this point if you want to HELP the 9/11 "movement"
shut down this list. It's a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME and thoroughly
infiltrated with BS. This list does NOT lead to activism, but gives
a false sense that there is a national movement. There is not.
9/11 truth is near accepted as mainstream news, but ACTIVISM is now
just about officialy over (please do not write in with the
individual projects you are all engaged in, it doesn't change the
big picture).
Bird flu concentration camps anyone?
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0305-29.htm
Published on Sunday, March 5, 2006 by CommonDreams.org
The Limits of the Internet or The Silence Of the Streets
by Brigitte Sch�n
While we're all sitting comfortably at some desk looking at our
computer screens, reading articles by people whose opinion we
cherish, celebrating the feeling that we might be able to change
whatever we want to change by just writing the kind of highly
opinionated piece I am about to write, I have lately been giving
this complacent feeling of mine a thorough cleansing which led to
the following musings:
What if the world, this world of TV images we know, still was pretty
archaic at heart and what if it still primarily reacted to centuries-
old images and trigger patterns after all? In other words: What do
political campaigns and articles via the internet really manage to
accomplish? And: Does this mean that I still ought to brave icy
winds or pouring rain instead and hold up some banners in
demonstrations in order to really achieve anything, and does this
mean that all these thoughful articles on the net don't have as much
influence as all of us couch revolutionaries would like to believe?
Let me lead you through a little time machine experiment. All I'd
ask you to do is imagine that there was an internet around when any
of the following occured (there are thousands of cases to choose
from; I just randomly picked a few):
The British are occupying India. Instead of rallying hundreds of
thousands of Indians in peaceful marches, Mahatma Ghandi launches an
internet campaign against the Raj (=British rule of India). Your
best bet: Do you think that the British would still be ruling India?
Next stop the Iron Curtain. Instead of hundreds of thousands of East
Germans chanting "WE are the people!" every single day for weeks
against the leaders of their People's Republic (hence the chant),
they launch a massive e-mail-campaign demanding freedom and
liberties hitherto not granted in East Germany from their Politburo.
Your best bet: Would the Berlin Wall have come down as a result?
Let's go to recent news: Although I am personally appalled at the
violent frenzy which erupted in the Arab world about those cartoons
in a negligable, albeit famously right-wing, Danish newspaper - the
uproar looked very much like an orchestrated opportunity these
dictatorships granted their subjects to finally let off some steam
to me - would irate articles on discussion forums in the Moslem
world have attracted the same amount of international attention to
the cause of the Moslems' grievances as all these demonstrators did?
What's your best bet?
And, last but not least: Are you aware of the fact that Iran,
according to what I've heard, has a thriving internet community
which to a large extent is critical of the government? No? But would
you be aware of substantial opposition in Iran if on NBC you watched
these same people demonstrate? Yes?
Fine. Now you might be ready for what I am really trying to get at:
As long as there aren't any massive NUMEROUS and VISIBLE protests
against the present US administration's machinations, forget the
idea that any well-meaning five-people-vigil in your home town or
any irate article on the net will change anything.
The only thing that embarrasses a government is mass protests for
MANY DAYS IN A ROW. They can't be overlooked, it's hard to ignore
them, they can't be shrugged off, they are bound to be aired in
one's country plus around the world, they are in short a major
newsworthy event.
While the internet is fabulous when it comes to finding out how many
like-minded people there are around you, it is at the same time
sadly a silent and invisible weapon. No internet campagain will ever
make it to prime time TV or to the front page of any paper. In case
you are in doubt, just remember Ukraine last winter. It was the
sight of these people braving it for many days in the freeze in
their orange attire which caught your attention, wasn't it? Would
you have noticed any anger on Ukrainian websites instead??
Or would YOU know about Cindy Sheehan if she'd only vented her grief
and anger on the web and not physically outside Bush's ranch?
At some stage the pent-up wrath of many Americans against their
government would have to be expressed in lonr-lasting mass (we're
talking millions) protests in American cities if people really want
to make a difference. They have to be prepared to stand up and be
counted.
Or how else could one of Europe's most famous philosophers, Bernard-
Henri L�vy, come up with the diagnosis "semi-comatose state of the
American Left" on CommonDreams nearly a month ago after having
travelled in the US? Well, if you leave your computer, that's
definitely the impression.
Ironically, in times of an overkill of electronic communication, it
is still the physical protest which to this day seems to be the only
action capable of moving mountains, not its (admittedly more
comfortable) cyber ersatz.
Deep down, human perception hasn't changed that much.
So you better get out your raingear...
Brigitte Sch�n (b.schoen@chello.at) is an Austrian conference
interpreter, occasional writer and political activist. She lives in
Vienna.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:21:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The Limits of the Internet or The Silence Of the Streets
Both the net and the REAL world are equally important. For me the net just because of you folks and to check in and tell you'se what is happening on my front and to see what you'se are up to.
SAOIRSE GO DEO!
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
this is a war for the minds of americans, 911truthaction is an outpost for the truth on the cyberfrontier.
as more people take the cold shower of reality they will NEED to comfort of knowing they are not crazies or alone when they realize the criminality of 9/11, that WILL EMBOLDEN THEM into making noise about the police state instead of passively accepting it as a fact of life.
alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com> wrote:
Greg,
I find this article to be flawed and unrealistic. First, the author neglects to consider that gov't propaganda and it's media control startegy works differently now from the way it did in her examples. Second, she fails to realize that most people can not afford to take off work long enough to be out on the street for days and days and days, as she recommends. Thus, we couldn't get the massive crowds that would be effective. Third, even when massive protests were formed, as in the anti-Iraq protests of 2003, the consolidated media simply ignored it in favor of Kobe Bryant & Martha Stewart. Thus, 95% of Americans probably don't even know those protests happened.
But...
95% of Americans are on the internet!
The key is in finding those people and reaching them (through debate forums, newsgroups, letter writing, etc) instead of wasting our time just preaching to the choir and feeling like righteous insiders.
I'm not saying that going out on the street is ineffective. I do it myself when I hand people flyers or post them on cars. And if I were in Vermont, I'd be out there with you. But I'm in Arizona, and despite my best efforts, I can't find one goddamn person to help me set up a 9/11 truth table or carpool to a protest or participate in an action event.
But I can get online. And who knows, maybe if enough of us are successful in waking people up online, we'll be able to recruit more people to join us out on the streets.
So I've always said that when it comes to spreading 9/11 truth, do what you feel most inspired to do and what you feel most competent doing. Just do something!
So I find your pessimism about the internet unwarranted. It may not be perfect, but it's better than nothing. So let's use it while we still can!
Greg Nixon <nixongreg@msn.com> wrote:
Attn: Jolly
I think at this point if you want to HELP the 9/11 "movement"
shut down this list. It's a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME and thoroughly
infiltrated with BS. This list does NOT lead to activism, but gives
a false sense that there is a national movement. There is not.
9/11 truth is near accepted as mainstream news, but ACTIVISM is now
just about officialy over (please do not write in with the
individual projects you are all engaged in, it doesn't change the
big picture).
Bird flu concentration camps anyone?
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0305-29.htm
Published on Sunday, March 5, 2006 by CommonDreams.org
The Limits of the Internet or The Silence Of the Streets
by Brigitte Sch�n
While we're all sitting comfortably at some desk looking at our
computer screens, reading articles by people whose opinion we
cherish, celebrating the feeling that we might be able to change
whatever we want to change by just writing the kind of highly
opinionated piece I am about to write, I have lately been giving
this complacent feeling of mine a thorough cleansing which led to
the following musings:
What if the world, this world of TV images we know, still was pretty
archaic at heart and what if it still primarily reacted to centuries-
old images and trigger patterns after all? In other words: What do
political campaigns and articles via the internet really manage to
accomplish? And: Does this mean that I still ought to brave icy
winds or pouring rain instead and hold up some banners in
demonstrations in order to really achieve anything, and does this
mean that all these thoughful articles on the net don't have as much
influence as all of us couch revolutionaries would like to believe?
Let me lead you through a little time machine experiment. All I'd
ask you to do is imagine that there was an internet around when any
of the following occured (there are thousands of cases to choose
from; I just randomly picked a few):
The British are occupying India. Instead of rallying hundreds of
thousands of Indians in peaceful marches, Mahatma Ghandi launches an
internet campaign against the Raj (=British rule of India). Your
best bet: Do you think that the British would still be ruling India?
Next stop the Iron Curtain. Instead of hundreds of thousands of East
Germans chanting "WE are the people!" every single day for weeks
against the leaders of their People's Republic (hence the chant),
they launch a massive e-mail-campaign demanding freedom and
liberties hitherto not granted in East Germany from their Politburo.
Your best bet: Would the Berlin Wall have come down as a result?
Let's go to recent news: Although I am personally appalled at the
violent frenzy which erupted in the Arab world about those cartoons
in a negligable, albeit famously right-wing, Danish newspaper - the
uproar looked very much like an orchestrated opportunity these
dictatorships granted their subjects to finally let off some steam
to me - would irate articles on discussion forums in the Moslem
world have attracted the same amount of international attention to
the cause of the Moslems' grievances as all these demonstrators did?
What's your best bet?
And, last but not least: Are you aware of the fact that Iran,
according to what I've heard, has a thriving internet community
which to a large extent is critical of the government? No? But would
you be aware of substantial opposition in Iran if on NBC you watched
these same people demonstrate? Yes?
Fine. Now you might be ready for what I am really trying to get at:
As long as there aren't any massive NUMEROUS and VISIBLE protests
against the present US administration's machinations, forget the
idea that any well-meaning five-people-vigil in your home town or
any irate article on the net will change anything.
The only thing that embarrasses a government is mass protests for
MANY DAYS IN A ROW. They can't be overlooked, it's hard to ignore
them, they can't be shrugged off, they are bound to be aired in
one's country plus around the world, they are in short a major
newsworthy event.
While the internet is fabulous when it comes to finding out how many
like-minded people there are around you, it is at the same time
sadly a silent and invisible weapon. No internet campagain will ever
make it to prime time TV or to the front page of any paper. In case
you are in doubt, just remember Ukraine last winter. It was the
sight of these people braving it for many days in the freeze in
their orange attire which caught your attention, wasn't it? Would
you have noticed any anger on Ukrainian websites instead??
Or would YOU know about Cindy Sheehan if she'd only vented her grief
and anger on the web and not physically outside Bush's ranch?
At some stage the pent-up wrath of many Americans against their
government would have to be expressed in lonr-lasting mass (we're
talking millions) protests in American cities if people really want
to make a difference. They have to be prepared to stand up and be
counted.
Or how else could one of Europe's most famous philosophers, Bernard-
Henri L�vy, come up with the diagnosis "semi-comatose state of the
American Left" on CommonDreams nearly a month ago after having
travelled in the US? Well, if you leave your computer, that's
definitely the impression.
Ironically, in times of an overkill of electronic communication, it
is still the physical protest which to this day seems to be the only
action capable of moving mountains, not its (admittedly more
comfortable) cyber ersatz.
Deep down, human perception hasn't changed that much.
So you better get out your raingear...
Brigitte Sch�n (b.schoen@chello.at) is an Austrian conference
interpreter, occasional writer and political activist. She lives in
Vienna.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:34:11 -0000
From: "kattmanduu" <kattmann@valornet.com>
Subject: Here is some 9/11 attack predictions from 1995
check out this tarot/celtic link to a game called Illuminati and the
prediction of 9/11 using the game. it's wild but it makes you think
about the Bush families connections to the Illuminati.
http://cuttingedge.org/news/n1753.cfm
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:47:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Here is some 9/11 attack predictions from 1995
ya, that's pretty damn scary!
needless to say they had a couple of cards depicting the WTC being attacked by planes and the pentagon being hit!!
kattmanduu <kattmann@valornet.com> wrote:
check out this tarot/celtic link to a game called Illuminati and the
prediction of 9/11 using the game. it's wild but it makes you think
about the Bush families connections to the Illuminati.
http://cuttingedge.org/news/n1753.cfm
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 23:34:55 -0700
From: "Eva Walker" <cowgirl269704@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Do we have any Psy-Ops \ Disinformation, here @ 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com ?
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:48:17 -0800
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
Subject: RE: 3rd. Plane
You'll have to check some more facts, like timelines and such, I only know
what I saw on TV, that is, the plane had been downed, then there was the
release of the Cell Phone call and a commentators mentioned that you can't
do that at that altitude (but I don't know what altitude it was) and then
that the plane was down, I think it was 20 minutes after we head about the
cell call, about 35 minutes after we first heard the plane had crashed.
Things like this were avoided by the 911 commission. Seems everything I
found unusual was either made a matter of national security or just ignored.
Obviously, Hitler was an incompetent.
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From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:45 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
Damn the Bitch,she sure looked like was enjoying all the attention while at
the white house with Bush,her ass is mud too then !!!
Kitty
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From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> Kitty,
>
> I only heard on TV that it looked like the passengers had taken over a
> plane, then I heard that this couldn't be so as the plane had already
> crashed. Then we had government people telling us it had happened. At
that
> point in the day I wasn't trusting anything our government told us. I
wanted
> 2 hours after the last plane that is popularly accounted for to find out
> where the 5th plane was headed.
>
> I have heard that the plane's altitude was too far above the cell towers
to
> have made a cell call too, even heard that while watching TV that morning
> from some TV support crew in the background, suppose he tried it?
>
> You will have to refer this to the expert researchers who would have proof
> if the cell phone call was even possible. I wouldn't trust snopes on this
> one considering the number of times their articles have the distinct stamp
> of government Approval, the GOP stamp and Big Pharma's stamps of approval
> too. She rarely ever allows anything questionable to ever have all the
facts
> in those areas.
>
> It is interesting that ''Let's roll'' was used, that being a Military term
> for the start of an offensive. It is also interesting that there isn't a
> transcript of that call, so it can be what ever someone said it was, if I
am
> correct in this assumption.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:46 AM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
>
> Scott wasn't the plane that was heading for the white House brought down
by
> it's passengers,the one passenger talking to his wife on cell phone as it
> was being high jacked told his wife im not going to allow this,we have
some
> guys here who are going to attack the high jackers,or something like
> that,his last words she heard her husband say was lets roll to the men who
> were going to fight the high jackers,this is when the plane went down.
> Is this the plane that looked like a missal crash,was this a put up
job
> too ?
> Bush had this blond women in the audience at allot of his speeches.
> Kitty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
>
>
> > Kitty,
> >
> > I have the distinction of having watched 2 different TV stations from 8
> > minutes after the first plane hit, to 4 hours later.
> >
> > I am not the person who ahs done loads of research, all I can state for
> > certain is what I saw and was told as the events occurred that morning,
> > between my breaks of screaming out my front door that "we are under
attack
> > and the US Military is no where to be found!"
> >
> > I got through that hard curve of disbelieving that those in charge of
the
> > defense of our country would betray us, sacrifice citizens for their own
> > causes, the hard way that morning, from there, good folks like many
here,
> > Alan Ramdon for one, have put together other details I wasn't privy to
> that
> > morning.
> >
> > The interview with the Colonel was made national security along with all
> of
> > the tapes for the 'supposed plane' that hit the Pentagon. I doubt it was
a
> > Passenger plane on the simple fact that they don't want us to see what
it
> > was that hit.
> >
> > The Colonel stated, and the reporters had him repeat, there were 5
> confirmed
> > boogies that the FAA had reported, that had doubled back on their
courses
> > from the Boston area to head towards the Wash DC NYC area and one had
> > already hit the Wash DC area, and that his planes were still grounded
and
> > unarmed as ordered by his superiors.
> >
> > For the life of me, I can't understand why that tape would have been
> > confiscated and the US Public not allowed to see it for their own eyes.
> > <dripping sarcasm>
> >
> > So with the plane that supposedly hit in the Pennsylvania field, that is
4
> > planes. after that, all I can do is guess. In fact, I seem to be about
the
> > only person that knows there were 5 planes. I have only heard from one
> other
> > person that says that they saw that interview. Pretty damning, and they
> have
> > been getting away with it, but the lies are getting harder and harder to
> put
> > forth as truth.
> >
> > I am not sure what you mean by 'the let's roll plane'.
> >
> > Have you checked out the files area of the group yet?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:55 AM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much Scott,so this is the supposed to be Let's Roll
> plane,it
> > was a missile ?
> > Im a new member,it seems there are some things i was not aware of,if
so
> > the lets roll plane was a lie ? Was it a put up job,and this mans wife
> that
> > was always at Bush events was there was lying ? Im confused. Kitty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
> > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 4:08 AM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> >
> >
> > > there were 2 on the WTC towers, one on the pentagon and the 4ths was
the
> > one
> > > that supposedly the passengers took down, but there wasn't any
wreckage
> > and
> > > the crash site looked like a missile not a place crash and I believe
> that
> > is
> > > one of the planes that has been seen to still be in use around the
> world.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> > > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:32 PM
> > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> > >
> > >
> > > But im talking about the plane the passengers brought down that was
> > heading
> > > for the white house,the Lets roll one,sorry not to speck lightly of
the
> > > dead,or the wife of the lets roll man,do we know it's true,lot's of
> drama
> > > there,to make sure white house was next,im very uneasy about this
one,so
> > > many lies about every thing,just please think about it :(
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
> > > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 1:25 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> > >
> > >
> > > > You mean the 4th plane? And there were 5 confirmed 'boogies' as the
> > > Colonel
> > > > of the Norad Air Force base called them, including the first one
that
> > hit
> > > > the WTC, when he was interviewed between the 2 plane hits on the WTC
> > > towers.
> > > >
> > > > I never have heard a 'plausible' explanation for what happed to that
> > one,
> > > > but then again, the film clips of his interview were 'National
> Security'
> > > by
> > > > Noon Pacific time. I bet National Security, he stated he was told to
> > stand
> > > > down, ground and not arm anything he had and it was his base that
was
> > > > responsible for the protection of Wash DC and NYC.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:07 PM
> > > > To: 911TruthAction
> > > > Subject: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> > > >
> > > > Why have i not heard someone say the 3rd plane went down because it
> was
> > > not
> > > > meant to hit the white house,just give that impression,just a
thought.
> > > > Kitty
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 04:34:23 -0600
From: "Linda" <lindam@charter.net>
Subject: RE: "DO YOU WISH?" was a right wing power kiss up wish list
John, my smart-ass comments were not meant to make any reference to war, but
rather each of us is a little shade of gray when it comes to left/right
winged philosophies. Your post, on �Do you Wish?� needs no editorial from
me���..they are your thoughts, and you have a right to them���It is always
hard to express oneself on the internet without the tonal and facial
expressions that we have the privilege of association when conversing
face-to-face.
Linda-in-Wisconsin
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Perna
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:24 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] "DO YOU WISH?" was a right wing power kiss up
wish list
The post was not about getting INTO the war.
The post was about getting OUT the war.
Linda <lindam@charter.net> wrote:
Right winged, left winged, panty liners with wings���.what about the bird
with one wing��..those gray areas of life?
Linda-in-Wisconsin
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Sunday, ! March 05, 2006 5:53 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] "DO YOU WISH?" was a right wing power kiss up wish
list
The "DO YOU WISH?" post was of a right wing power kiss up wish list
John Perna wrote, "Yes, but right now we could only get public support
for this" and Na! veed wrote, "LMAO!!!! couldn't have said it better!"
John what you posted was a right wing power kiss up wish list.
Your post acts like the Iraq war was a good thing and that the world
should be grateful. Your post talks about rewarding the countries that
participated in the illegal war on Iraq. Your post acts like U.S.
foreign policies are something the world should be grateful for. You
wish that President Bush would punish countries that didn't go along
with the war of aggression on Iraq?!!?
John Perna and Naveed, you guys think the 911 Truth Action members
should be having wish lists that are indistinguishable from right wing
extremist apologists for U.S. government power? I really don't think
you two have a grasp on the Iraq war or U.S. foreign polices. Agreeing
with that wish list makes you sound exactly like "peo! ple who have
obviously been brainwashed by republican talk radio"
When you post stuff like "Nearly a century of trying to help folks
live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying
enmity of just about everyone on the planet" you really expose
yourself as someone who doesn't have a clue what harm U.S. policy
makers have been doing to people around the world.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 10:39:22 -0000
From: "Tom" <Tom@RepresentativePress.org>
Subject: Re: "DO YOU WISH?" was a right wing power kiss up wish list AND Robin Williams
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Naveed <flanker12k@...> wrote:
>
> tom why the hell did you join this list?
>
>tolearn more about 9/11 the inside jobness of it or to piss off
abunchofpeople trying to slow/stop our > descent in to abomination
ofanorwellian totalitarian america?
You are agreeing with wish lists that are indistinguishablefromrightwing
extremist apologists for U.S. government power! How thehellis
that"trying to slow/stop our descent in to abomination
ofanorwelliantotalitarian america"? The "DO YOU WISH?" list was an
abomination because it regurgitates the same false world view of the
media and the dominant intellectual community.
I find it offensive for people to post things with the premise that
America is not a terrorist state. That is what the "DO YOU WISH?" list
was doing! AsIpointed out, it was self righteous crap that assumes the
partylinethatthe U.S. is not a terrorist organization and is
simplyavictim ofterrorism.
It was written with the point of view that American foreign policy is
simply "trying to help folks
live a decent life around the world" and that those attempts are what
"earned us the undying
enmity" Thatis a bunch of crap. So why are you agreeing with it?You
chiming intoagree with John's propaganda post UNDERMINES attempts
tostopinjustices. The descent into abomination of
anorwelliantotalitarianamerica has already taken place. And youare
nothelping. It isan abomination for "truth seekers" to post crapalongthe
lines thatpeople in the world should be grateful for U.S.foreignpolicy.
Iam not the one that posted propaganda like"DO YOU WISH?" sowhy are you
angry at me? And what did "DO YOUWISH?" have to dowith9/11 "inside
jobness"? Nothing. Bytheway, "DO YOU WISH?" was written from a viewpoint
that 9/11 wasn'taninside job but that seems to have gone over your head.
You and John don't have a grasp of what U.S. foreign policy is really
about. U.S. policy makers are backing Israel which Targets Civilians
and Always Has.
<http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/01/israel-does-target-civilians-and.html>
ALSO SEE: Deceptions Sell Israel to the American Public
<http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/02/deceptions-sell-israel-to-american.html>
> give me ONE good reason why you should remain on this list?!
Because I am the only one it seems that can see that posts like "DO YOU
WISH?" and "Robin Williams The Plan! <../../../../../message/22137> "
support the status quo and deny the ugly realities of U.S. foreign
policies! The Robin Williams post was another example of propagandathat
pushes the false idea that U.S. foreign policy is something good which
people around the world should be happy with. It mentions Hitler and
Mussolini ignoring the fact that the U.S. government and business
community supported Hitler and Mussolini before World War II.
<http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2004/09/hitler-history-lesson-banagor.html> The Robin Williams post also lists Hussein as if people
should be grateful to the U.S. for removing him. Fact is U.S.policy
makers are responsible for supporting Saddam as early as the late 1950's
and they backed two coups that but the Ba'ath partyinto power inthe
first place!!
<http://www.representativepress.org/CIASaddam.html>
Think you can start to understand the degree of evil perpetrated by US
foreign policies?
TheCIA actively supported the 1963 coup that brought the Ba'ath
partytopower and the CIA made lists of people it labeled as communists
andgavethese lists to "the submachine gun-toting Iraqi
NationalGuardsmen". Thepeople on these CIA lists were "jailed,
interrogated,and summarilygunned down, according to former U.S.
intelligenceofficials withintimate knowledge of the executions."
Many suspected communistswere killed outright, these sources
said.Darwish told UPI that the masskillings, presided over by Saddam,
tookplace at Qasr al-Nehayat,literally, the Palace of the End.
A former senior U.S. StateDepartment official told UPI: "We werefrankly
glad to be rid of them.You ask that they get a fair trial? Youhave to
get kidding. This wasserious business." US diplomat JamesAkins served in
the Baghdad Embassyat the time. Mr. Akins said, "Iknew all the Ba'ath
Party leaders and Iliked them ... Sure, somepeople were rounded up and
shot but these weremostly communists sothat didn't bother us".
What if they wereJews that were rounded up and shot? What if it wasJews
whose names wehanded over to be killed? Would this be pursued?Would
there be a callfor prosecution of those responsible?
Think you can start tounderstand the degree of evil perpetrated by
USforeign policies? Thisis just one example. Does substitution "Jews"
inplace of "Iraqis" or"Communists" help you understand the degree ofevil
that US policymakers are responsible for? Are you going to dosomething
now to make acall for justice? "Nazi hunters" worked fordecades after
the initialcrimes of the murderers and facilitators ofthe deaths of
Jews. Justbecause in the above case those murdered werenot Jews but
Iraqis andthe murders were not Nazis party members butBa'ath party
members andthe collaborators were Americans and notEuropeans, does that
mean yousit on your ass right now and do nothing?I think that if you
realizedsomeone who was responsible for the deathsof Jews had not be
brought tojustice you would actually do somethingabout it. This should
make youthink about the evils US policy makershave gotten away with and
whypeople would be angry to be on thereceiving end of these policies.
Youcan't see the harm that posts like "DO YOU WISH?" and "Robin
WilliamsThe Plan!" do when they regurgitate the same false world view of
themedia and the dominant intellectual community?
> John Perna savefreedom2005@... wrote:
> You seem to have missed the point that this post urges the
> United States to
> STOP ALL OF THE MEDDLING IN THE REST OF THE WORLD.
> You say it is bad, and I say the we should stop.
> So why do we disagree?
>
>
>
>
> Tom Tom@... wrote: --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, John Perna
> savefreedom2005@ wrote:
> >
> > The post was not about getting INTO the war.
> > The post was about getting OUT the war.
> >
>
>
> Your response is a non sequitur. I wasn't arguing that it was about
> getting into the war. I was talking about the nonsence that the post
> wished for. Yes it was about getting out of the war. It is what a
> clueless right wing extremist apologist for U.S. power would think is
> a good way to get out of the war. Why are you posting stuff like
> that? Do you even understand what you posted?
>
> Yes it was about getting out and rewarding the war criminals that
> started the war and punishing those that refused to participate. WHY
> DO YOU WISH FOR THAT?
>
> The post also said, "In the future, together with Congress, I will
> work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing problems we
> still have at home. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations.
> Attack us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your
> friends from the face of the earth. Thirsting for a good country to
> terrorize? Try Cuba ..."
>
> You posted a self righteous and clueless post that assumes the party
> line that the U.S. is not a terrorist organization and is simply a
> victim of terrorism. Unbelievable! After all the years of U.S.
> terrorism against Cuba you post something like "DO YOU WISH".
>
> "For more than 40 years, anti-Cuba terrorist organizations based in
> Miami have engaged in countless terrorist activities against Cuba, and
> against anyone who advocates a normalization of relations between the
> U.S. and Cuba. More than 3,000 Cubans have died as a result of these
> terrorists' attacks." Seems you never heard of the Cuban Five either.
> They were trying to prevent terrorist attacks on their country of
> Cuba. http://www.freethefive.org/
>
> "US terrorism against Cuba has been going on since 1959 and the fact
> that the US can label Cuba a terrorist state when it has been carrying
> out a major terrorist campaign against Cuba since 1959, picking up
> heavily in the'60s and peaking in the `70s in fact, that's pretty
> astonishing.
>
> But I think if you do a careful study of the American media and
> intellectual journals and intellectual opinions and so on, you will
> find nothing about this and not a word suggesting that there is
> anything strange about it. And if you look at the scholarly literature
> on terrorism by people like Walter Laqueur and other respected
> scholars, and take a look at the index, you find Cuba mentioned often
> and if you look at the page references, what is mentioned is
> suspicions that Cuba may have been involved in some terrorist actions,
> but what you will not find is a reference to the very well documented
> US terrorist operations against Cuba. And that is not controversial.
> We have reams of declassified government documents on it. There is
> extensive scholarship on it, but it cannot enter into public
> discourse. It's a pretty remarkable achievement, not just of the media
> but of the intellectual community altogether." -
> http://www.walterlippmann.com/Chomsky-Cuba.html
>
> And here you are John posting something like "DO YOU WISH" that
> regurgitates the same false world view of the media and the dominant
> intellectual community. You post something that supports the status
> quo and denies the ugly realities.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom
> > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 5:53 PM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911TruthAction] "DO YOU WISH?" was a right wing power kiss
> up wish list
> >
> > The "DO YOU WISH?" post was of a right wing power kiss up wish
list
> >
> > John Perna wrote, "Yes, but right now we could only get public
support
> > for this" and Naveed wrote, "LMAO!!!! couldn't have said it better!"
> >
> > John what you posted was a right wing power kiss up wish list.
> >
> > Your post acts like the Iraq war was a good thing and that the world
> > should be grateful. Your post talks about rewarding the countries
that
> > participated in the illegal war on Iraq. Your post acts like U.S.
> > foreign policies are something the world should be grateful for. You
> > wish that President Bush would punish countries that didn't go along
> > with the war of aggression on Iraq?!!?
> >
> > John Perna and Naveed, you guys think the 911 Truth Action members
> > should be having wish lists that are indistinguishable from right
wing
> > extremist apologists for U.S. government power? I really don't think
> > you two have a grasp on the Iraq war or U.S. foreign polices.
Agreeing
> > with that wish list makes you sound exactly like "people who have
> > obviously been brainwashed by republican talk radio"
> >
> > When you post stuff like "Nearly a century of trying to help folks
> > live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying
> > enmity of just about everyone on the planet" you really expose
> > yourself as someone who doesn't have a clue what harm U.S. policy
> > makers have been doing to people around the world.
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 07:41:47 -0600
From: Bugs <brawny@twlakes.net>
Subject: Re: [JudgedMenAllianceForTomorrow] AT&T in $67 billion deal to buy BellSouth
Wasnt it reagan who wanted all phone companies broken up?
bugs
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Subject: RE: [JudgedMenAllianceForTomorrow] AT&T in $67 billion deal to buy BellSouth
It is amazing how ST&T was broken up using the excuse they were a conglomerate, now AT&T is buying up all the companies which were shoot off's from he original. Will they now become a conglomerate again or what? Hey, wait I have AT&T stock have had since the break up, am I now going to be rich? LOL I doubt it but who cares it is fun watching how our crooked government works.
Jude
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Subject: [JudgedMenAllianceForTomorrow] AT&T in $67 billion deal to buy BellSouth
AT&T in $67 billion deal to buy BellSouth
Merger will revive large parts of the 'Ma Bell' monopoly
Arshad Mohammed, Washington Post
Monday, March 6, 2006
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Washington -- AT&T Inc. announced plans Sunday to buy BellSouth Corp. for about $67 billion in stock in a deal that will reassemble large swaths of the old "Ma Bell" local-telephone monopoly.
The merger would dramatically expand San Antonio-based AT&T, which is already the largest phone company in the country, by extending its local phone service into 22 states and giving it full control of Cingular Wireless, the largest mobile phone company in the nation.
The deal illustrates how the U.S. telephone industry has been transformed since the government broke up AT&T in 1984, splitting its long-distance operations from the seven major "Baby Bells" that offered local phone service across most of the country.
In recent years, the number of local-telephone landlines has steadily shrunk as people have switched to wireless and, albeit in relatively small numbers, have begun to buy phone service from cable companies and voice-over Internet protocol providers.
The big telecom companies are increasingly vying with cable companies to offer a triple play of services -- combining phone service with cable TV and high-speed Internet access into bundles that cost customers less than if they bought each part separately. By adding mobile phone service, phone companies would be able to offer a quadruple play.
The merger, which was announced by the two companies Sunday, would be one of the largest telecom mergers in history. The new company would be a behemoth with $130 billion in sales, more than 317,000 employees, 69.4 million local landlines, 54 million cell phone subscribers and 9.9 million broadband Internet users.
Analysts say the deal is likely to win regulatory approval because of growing competition from mobile phone, cable and Internet telephone companies.
Taking control of Cingular, currently run as a joint venture of AT&T and BellSouth, was one of AT&T's main reasons for the deal and would give it free rein to exploit one of the fastest-growing parts of the industry -- the huge demand for wireless services, company officials have said.
AT&T Chairman and Chief Executive Edward Whitacre Jr., who will become head of the new company, said he planned to market Cingular under the AT&T name and was confident the deal would pass muster with federal regulators.
"Competition is everywhere. We have to be efficient, we have to bring good value to consumers, and in this case, that translates to going from three networks -- BellSouth's, Cingular's and ours -- to one," Whitacre said. "It's an efficiency move."
But Gene Kimmelman, senior policy director at Consumers Union, decried the merger, saying it would inevitably push prices higher.
"This will end the era of falling long-distance and cell phone prices, leaving consumers paying inflated charges due to lack of competition," Kimmelman said.
Under the deal, BellSouth shareholders will receive 1.325 shares of AT&T stock for each BellSouth share in a transaction the companies valued at about $67 billion. Based on AT&T's closing stock price Friday, BellSouth shareholders payment would be valued at $37.09, a 17.9 percent premium over BellSouth's closing price Friday.
Blair Levin, a regulatory analyst with Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., said the merger had to be looked at "in the light of a very different marketplace, with more competition, more substitution and more ways of reaching consumers."
To put it simply, before 1984 AT&T was virtually the only game in town. Now it is not.
Levin also said it was likely to be approved without major conditions by the Justice Department and the Federal Communications Commission, noting that both allowed the recent mergers of AT&T and SBC Communications Inc., which took the AT&T name, and of Verizon Communications Inc. and MCI Inc., which assumed the Verizon name.
AT&T and BellSouth do not compete significantly with each other in local phone service; BellSouth has largely kept to its nine-state region, which stretches from North Carolina to Louisiana, and AT&T to its 13-state region that runs from Texas up through the Midwest and also includes California and Nevada.
Nor do they compete on mobile phone service, given that Cingular, which is 60 percent owned by AT&T and 40 percent by BellSouth, is run as a joint venture.
The one place where they would increasingly compete would be for medium and large corporations -- also known as enterprise customers -- that are large enough to command special lines running to their businesses. In this area, regulators might require that the new company divest itself of some of these lines to try to foster competition, analysts said.
Executives at both companies said they expected to save money by eliminating duplication in their networks, corporate operations and advertising expenses. They declined to estimate how many jobs they would shed as a result, saying they hoped to reduce headcount through attrition but could not rule out the possibility of layoffs.
The proposed merger reflects a remarkable transformation for what was once the modestly named Southwestern Bell Corp., one of the original Baby Bell companies that had a five-state region covering Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma and Kansas.
The company has grown via a string of mergers, acquiring San Francisco's Pacific Telesis Group in 1997 for $16.5 billion; Ameritech Corp. in 1999 for $72 billion; and AT&T, the dwindling remainder of Ma Bell, for $16 billion last year.
F. Duane Ackerman, BellSouth's chairman and chief executive, said he and Whitacre had been talking about merging their companies off and on "over the years, but it's only been in the last couple of months that we got ... to the environment and the kind of specifics that made it work."
Ackerman rejected the idea that the old AT&T monopoly was being put back together.
"When you think about the collective impact of wireless, of cable, and the growing impact of VOIP, that is no longer a minuscule issue to be managed or to be dealt with," he said in an interview. "I hear the cliches that come out about AT&T putting too many landlines back together but, at the end of the day, it is not reducing competition because the competition really is coming from these other forces."
But the shift in the U.S. telecom landscape is sure to attract close examination in Washington.
"Twenty years after the government broke up Ma Bell, this deal represents a mother and child reunion," said Massachusetts Rep. Ed Markey, the ranking Democrat on the House Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet.
"Our nation's telecommunications markets must be vigorously competitive and open to innovation in order to promote job creation and economic growth," Markey said. "This merger proposal is one that unquestionably merits the utmost scrutiny by government antitrust officials."
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The players
AT&T
Employees: 189,950
2005 revenue: $43.9 billion
2005 net income: $4.8 billion
Phone lines in service: 49.4 million
Broadband lines: 6.9 million
BellSouth
Employees: 63,066
2005 revenue: $20.5 billion
2005 net income: $3.3 billion
Phone lines in service: 20 million
Broadband lines: 2.9 million
Cingular
2005 revenue: $30.6 billion (not included in AT&T or BellSouth revenue)
2005 net income: $333 million
Customers: 54.1 million
Chronicle news services contributed to this report.
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 05:48:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Have I been hacked?...Hummm have I been shut down?
Have I been hacked?
Upon going to my links page @ 911TruthAction �An insider�s view� this is the message that now appears!
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Subject: re:An insider�s view! 3-6-06
re:An insider�s view! 3-6-06
An insider�s view!
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T o whom it may concern:
About me���.
I am related to someone from the Middle East that has been in the news since 9-11!
I was a MK-ultra mind control \ Manchurian!
I know that Bush is also a Manchurian�..
I have been a spy for our Government!�..
Other nations other than ours have asked me to swear allegiance to them which I respectfully declined!
Observations from what I saw, having knowledge of several of the 9-11, anthrax, Sri Lanka, Katrina events is that we choose to punch ourselves in the face and then blame it on Arabs, God etc.!
A little bit of who I am and what I have been thru can be found thru these links.
I never divulge the names of any CIA, FBI, or other persons names etc. �.. less I feel it absolutely necessary!
Sincerely
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Inside info Anthrax - Sri Lanka - 9-11
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On 9-11 I was at a CIA front company minutes after the attacks.
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Do we have any Psy-Ops \ Disinformation, here @ 911TruthAction@yahoo
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:12:04 -0500
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
Subject: Re: 3rd. Plane
It was flight 93..Kitty
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> You'll have to check some more facts, like timelines and such, I only know
> what I saw on TV, that is, the plane had been downed, then there was the
> release of the Cell Phone call and a commentators mentioned that you can't
> do that at that altitude (but I don't know what altitude it was) and then
> that the plane was down, I think it was 20 minutes after we head about the
> cell call, about 35 minutes after we first heard the plane had crashed.
>
> Things like this were avoided by the 911 commission. Seems everything I
> found unusual was either made a matter of national security or just
ignored.
> Obviously, Hitler was an incompetent.
>
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> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:45 PM
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>
> Damn the Bitch,she sure looked like was enjoying all the attention while
at
> the white house with Bush,her ass is mud too then !!!
>
>
> Kitty
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> From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 1:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
>
>
> > Kitty,
> >
> > I only heard on TV that it looked like the passengers had taken over a
> > plane, then I heard that this couldn't be so as the plane had already
> > crashed. Then we had government people telling us it had happened. At
> that
> > point in the day I wasn't trusting anything our government told us. I
> wanted
> > 2 hours after the last plane that is popularly accounted for to find out
> > where the 5th plane was headed.
> >
> > I have heard that the plane's altitude was too far above the cell towers
> to
> > have made a cell call too, even heard that while watching TV that
morning
> > from some TV support crew in the background, suppose he tried it?
> >
> > You will have to refer this to the expert researchers who would have
proof
> > if the cell phone call was even possible. I wouldn't trust snopes on
this
> > one considering the number of times their articles have the distinct
stamp
> > of government Approval, the GOP stamp and Big Pharma's stamps of
approval
> > too. She rarely ever allows anything questionable to ever have all the
> facts
> > in those areas.
> >
> > It is interesting that ''Let's roll'' was used, that being a Military
term
> > for the start of an offensive. It is also interesting that there isn't a
> > transcript of that call, so it can be what ever someone said it was, if
I
> am
> > correct in this assumption.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:46 AM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> >
> > Scott wasn't the plane that was heading for the white House brought down
> by
> > it's passengers,the one passenger talking to his wife on cell phone as
it
> > was being high jacked told his wife im not going to allow this,we have
> some
> > guys here who are going to attack the high jackers,or something like
> > that,his last words she heard her husband say was lets roll to the men
who
> > were going to fight the high jackers,this is when the plane went down.
> > Is this the plane that looked like a missal crash,was this a put up
> job
> > too ?
> > Bush had this blond women in the audience at allot of his speeches.
> > Kitty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
> > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:06 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> >
> >
> > > Kitty,
> > >
> > > I have the distinction of having watched 2 different TV stations from
8
> > > minutes after the first plane hit, to 4 hours later.
> > >
> > > I am not the person who ahs done loads of research, all I can state
for
> > > certain is what I saw and was told as the events occurred that
morning,
> > > between my breaks of screaming out my front door that "we are under
> attack
> > > and the US Military is no where to be found!"
> > >
> > > I got through that hard curve of disbelieving that those in charge of
> the
> > > defense of our country would betray us, sacrifice citizens for their
own
> > > causes, the hard way that morning, from there, good folks like many
> here,
> > > Alan Ramdon for one, have put together other details I wasn't privy to
> > that
> > > morning.
> > >
> > > The interview with the Colonel was made national security along with
all
> > of
> > > the tapes for the 'supposed plane' that hit the Pentagon. I doubt it
was
> a
> > > Passenger plane on the simple fact that they don't want us to see what
> it
> > > was that hit.
> > >
> > > The Colonel stated, and the reporters had him repeat, there were 5
> > confirmed
> > > boogies that the FAA had reported, that had doubled back on their
> courses
> > > from the Boston area to head towards the Wash DC NYC area and one had
> > > already hit the Wash DC area, and that his planes were still grounded
> and
> > > unarmed as ordered by his superiors.
> > >
> > > For the life of me, I can't understand why that tape would have been
> > > confiscated and the US Public not allowed to see it for their own
eyes.
> > > <dripping sarcasm>
> > >
> > > So with the plane that supposedly hit in the Pennsylvania field, that
is
> 4
> > > planes. after that, all I can do is guess. In fact, I seem to be about
> the
> > > only person that knows there were 5 planes. I have only heard from one
> > other
> > > person that says that they saw that interview. Pretty damning, and
they
> > have
> > > been getting away with it, but the lies are getting harder and harder
to
> > put
> > > forth as truth.
> > >
> > > I am not sure what you mean by 'the let's roll plane'.
> > >
> > > Have you checked out the files area of the group yet?
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:55 AM
> > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you very much Scott,so this is the supposed to be Let's Roll
> > plane,it
> > > was a missile ?
> > > Im a new member,it seems there are some things i was not aware
of,if
> so
> > > the lets roll plane was a lie ? Was it a put up job,and this mans
wife
> > that
> > > was always at Bush events was there was lying ? Im confused. Kitty
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
> > > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 4:08 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> > >
> > >
> > > > there were 2 on the WTC towers, one on the pentagon and the 4ths was
> the
> > > one
> > > > that supposedly the passengers took down, but there wasn't any
> wreckage
> > > and
> > > > the crash site looked like a missile not a place crash and I believe
> > that
> > > is
> > > > one of the planes that has been seen to still be in use around the
> > world.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:32 PM
> > > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But im talking about the plane the passengers brought down that was
> > > heading
> > > > for the white house,the Lets roll one,sorry not to speck lightly of
> the
> > > > dead,or the wife of the lets roll man,do we know it's true,lot's of
> > drama
> > > > there,to make sure white house was next,im very uneasy about this
> one,so
> > > > many lies about every thing,just please think about it :(
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
> > > > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 1:25 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You mean the 4th plane? And there were 5 confirmed 'boogies' as
the
> > > > Colonel
> > > > > of the Norad Air Force base called them, including the first one
> that
> > > hit
> > > > > the WTC, when he was interviewed between the 2 plane hits on the
WTC
> > > > towers.
> > > > >
> > > > > I never have heard a 'plausible' explanation for what happed to
that
> > > one,
> > > > > but then again, the film clips of his interview were 'National
> > Security'
> > > > by
> > > > > Noon Pacific time. I bet National Security, he stated he was told
to
> > > stand
> > > > > down, ground and not arm anything he had and it was his base that
> was
> > > > > responsible for the protection of Wash DC and NYC.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:07 PM
> > > > > To: 911TruthAction
> > > > > Subject: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
> > > > >
> > > > > Why have i not heard someone say the 3rd plane went down because
it
> > was
> > > > not
> > > > > meant to hit the white house,just give that impression,just a
> thought.
> > > > > Kitty
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:16:48 -0500
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Have I been hacked?...Hummm have I been shut down?
That's what i got Scott...Kitty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Durr" <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:48 AM
Subject: [911TruthAction] Have I been hacked?...Hummm have I been shut down?
> Have I been hacked?
>
> Upon going to my links page @ 911TruthAction "An insider's view" this is
the message that now appears!
> Hummm have I been shut down?
> Please reply.
> ......... Scott \ Manchurian
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