Oh god, thanks for relating that.
I never go to the ST911 discussion board, I find it a waste of time,
but what you say is very disturbing.
What seems to be the case at ST911, from what I have heard through
Judy Wood, is an active putsch against "no-planers". Judy Wood, who
is in fact one of the few structural engineers in the group, actually
finds the no-plane evidence compelling.
>
> xxx, what I quoted came from the Scholar for 911 Truth forum. I was
> shocked and appalled to find out that several of the contributors to
> that forum (NOT Jim Fetzer) are either holocaust-deniers or tolerant
> of same. At the same time, one member was actually suspended for
> accusing another member of being a govt agent! I wrote this in reply:
>
> " Very, very bad move, Greg. I request that you reinstate Jeff Kellogg
> immediately.
>
> Since when is "accusing" somebody of working for the government a
> crime, or even something bad? Furthermore, Jeff's analysis was quite
> astute.
>
> We all know that this forum, like all the 911 forums, includes
> government employees, and very likely employees of intelligence
> agencies of various kinds, governmental or private. So what?
>
> At the same time, your (and others') tolerance of a raving anti-Semite
> (read Jew-hater) like Peter Smith is absolutely shocking. I am not
> Jewish, but I will stand up against you, Rick Raijter, Smith, and
> every other member of this forum who tolerates this filth. It's bad
> enough to have links to Wing TV and Michael Collins Piper on the s911t
> website (though I think Jim has removed the Piper link, and I have
> warned him about the others), but to allow this on the forum is not
> only disgusting, but suicide on your part. Wait till Jim Hofman gets
> hold of these posts by Smith (and others). He will be quite right to
> denounce you. By allowing this, you are destroying the forum, Scholars
> for 9/11 Truth, and maybe the entire 911 "truth movement" (if there
> even is such a thing).
>
> I am not for censorship or exclusion, but I demand some intelligence
> and backbone from you, Steven Jones, Jim Fetzer, and the other members
> of this organization. Would you tolerate racism? Sexism? No, certainly
> not. But you tolerate this filth. If you have no sense of justice or
> morality, where are your brains? You are killing yourselves.
>
> If you and the wimpy-assed raving lunatic Jew-haters want to suspend
> me, along with Jeff Kellogg, who has done nothing at all wrong, and
> certainly nothing at all commensurate with the depraved snarling posts
> of your Mr. Smith (it is a felony, by the way, in Germany, to deny the
> holocaust, which is why David Irving is in jail), I will be proud to
> go down with him, and a pox on all your houses!"
>
>
> I am still in that forum, and I got Fetzer to come in and shut these
> guys up to some degree, but I am still appalled by the lack of
> resistance to this crap and don't really want to talk with these
> people any more. As I said, it's worse than crap. It's a felony in
> Germany and some other countries, and it will absolutely destroy the
> 911 "truth movement." S911T used to link to a talk by Michael Collins
> Piper, which I think Fetzer has since removed, but there are still
> links to Wing TV, which is on the order of Piper, American Free Press,
> etc.
>
> Hence my question to this group. XXXX has a link to a holcaust
> denier (David Cole), which she referred to, and I have no idea what
> this "Reich of the Black Sun" stuff is. I know about Eric Hufschmid,
> did not know about Eastman. XXXX says the Nazis won WW2, and if
> she means the US protected some high-ranking Nazis afterwards and
> helped them escape or even employed them (Reinhard Gehlen being the
> best example, first head of the BND, or German CIA), she is right, but
> what does it mean to say the Nazis won the war?
>
> I refuse to even discuss any of this shit. It doesn't belong here,
> and I repeat, anything like this, and most of all anything that sounds
> remotely like "holocaust denial," is absolutely fatal. I will kill
> you and everybody who has anything to do with you.
>
> For example, Rick Raijter, who is one of the active s911t posters, has
> a piece on the website and co-authors with Morgan Reynolds, is one of
> the people "tolerant" of holocaust-denial. That guy is dead in the
> water, and I am now very suspicious of Morgan Reynolds. That's how it
> goes. And I'm not even Jewish (I don't think, although there is a
> possibilty on my maternal side that I would be glad to discover). I
> went to high school in New Rochelle and had a lot of Jewish friends,
> and I react as viscerally to Jew-haters as I do to racists, even
> though I'm not black either. And you know damn well that
> anti-Semitism (read "Jew-hating") is exactly what "holocaust denial"
> is all about, and nothing else.
>
> We don't need a special "Jewish" website, for crissakes! What we need
> to do is identify these pigs and expose them, because they will kill
> us all. Look at Chris Bollyn. He does good work (e.g.,
> seismographs), as far as I can tell, but since he works for American
> Free Press, he too is a corpse. Zero credibility. Mark Rabinovitch
> of Oil Empire site even smeared David Griffin, just because Griffin
> cited Bollyn's article! That's the other extreme, but it shows you
> how dangerous it is. If Rabinovitch or even Jim Hofman gets hold of
> some of the pages of the s911t forum, it will kill them!
>
> We have enough lies to uncover. If we need more, we can get into the
> moon hoax, Pearl Harbor, or any number of other things, but leave the
> Jews alone! Leave Israel alone, for that matter. I know, I know, the
> Lobby that controls Wash., blah, blah. Mossad blah blah. We just
> don't need it. We have the most powerful secret govt in the history of
> the universe to fight, and we don't need to focus on the small stuff.
>
> I'd very much like your reactions to this. I think it's very important.
>
> xxxxx
>
>
> --xxxxx-
> >
> >
> >xxxx
> >
> > I'm a secular American Jew.
> > I studied classical Hebrew (and Armaic) at the Baltimore Hebrew
> > College in the 60s.
> > But I'm not what you would call "observant".
> > I was active in the Labor Zionist movement (Habonim) way back in high
> > school. (I also slept with Maoists in the 70s).
> >
> > If you insist, I can find some other educated "Jews" who acknowledge
> > the likelihood that NO REAL Boeing commercial jets were used on 9/11,
> > at the Towers or at the Pentagon.
> > But do we really have to stoop to such a banal and puerile level of
> > discourse on the whole 'planes versus no-planes' thing ?
> >
> > Can't we just look at the evidence (or lack of evidence, in the
> > government controlled media brainwash case) and evaluate it
> objectively ?
> >
> > Why must the "Holocaust denier" red-herring be trotted out to smear
> > some of the best 9/11 researchers and most dedicated activists.
> > We have seen this done over and over, again and aggain, ad nauseum,
> > not only here in the US media, but also in Germany, where proponents
> > of "9/11 inside job" were savagely smeared as "Holocaust deniers" in
> > the "mainstream" German popular media.
> > It's more than intellectually dishonest.
> > It's disgusting.
> > And it's COINTELPRO.
> >
> > Can we afford the luxury of those diversions ?
> > Given what limited resources we have ?
> > Well guess what, Michael ?
> > You've inspired andm motivated me.
> > I'm ready to start my own group, the "Kosher No-Planers", right here
> > on Yahoo, if you think that would lend a bit more "diversity" (New
> > World Order-style) to the "no-planer" side ....
> > What do you think ?
> >
> > Personally, I would rather spend time doing what satisfies me the
> > most: agitating openly for arrest, indictment and execution of the
> > named 9/11 perps.
> > Scores of them.
> > Whether US or Israeli, Pakistani or Saudi, or European..
> > ESPECIALLY the American ones.
> > Jewish or not.
> > .
> > eof
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- xxxxx
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly, it is a smear. What CGI believers are holocaust deniers?
> > > Apart from Eastman and Hufschmid, Daryl Bradford Smith is one of the
> > > biggest "holocaust deniers" out there in 9/11 skeptic land and he is
> > > adamently against the "no-planers".
> > >
> > > I can't think of one "no-planer" who is a known "holocaust denier".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- xxxxx
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is pure smear.
> > > >
> > > > It is planehuggers like Huffschmied and Eastman who are "halocaust
> > > deniers."
> > > >
> > > > I do not buy the "Official Story" on the Halocaust, but I don't
> > buy the
> > > > "truthling replacement" that the Halocaust didn't happen either.
> > > > Holmgren lost an entire branch of his mother's family to the
> > Halocaust.
> > > >
> > > > http://missilegate.com/rfz/swaz
> > > > Reich of the Black Sun is research from recently released
> > documentation
> > > > that shows that Auschwitz was headquarters for secret weapons
> > research,
> > > > it's high-tech slaves eliminated to perserve secrecy at war's end.
> > > > This jewish revisionist's tour of Auschwitz backs this up.
> > > > http://thewebfairy.com/911/popcorn/davidcole.htm
> > > >
> > > > I believe that the Nazis won World War 2, and the World Trade
> Center
> > > > demolition was a continuation of the nazi effort to Bomb New York.
> > > > http://missilegate.com/nazi.htm
> > > > http://thewebfairy.com/911/popcorn/bombny.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > xxxxx
> > > > > I'd like to have your opinions on this. This is a statement
> > somebody
> > > > > made on another forum:
> > > > >
> > > > > "I do find it curious that Holocaust deniers -- or
> "revisionists" --
> > > > > seem more often to be "no plane/all videos were CGI" people, but
> > maybe
> > > > > that is an illusion?"
> > > > >
> > > > > XXXX
Tuesday, May 30, 2006
Report: Israel warns of World Cup terror - News from Israel, Ynetnews
Report: Israel warns of World Cup terror - News from Israel, Ynetnews
Blogger Thoughts: Warning of False Flag Terror?
Blogger Thoughts: Warning of False Flag Terror?
WSJ.com - Lawmaker Raid May Come Back to Bite Bush
WSJ.com - Lawmaker Raid May Come Back to Bite Bush
WASHINGTON -- The recent FBI raid of a congressman's office is fueling a power struggle between Congress and the administration that could hobble President Bush in his efforts to move his legislative agenda.
In hopes of easing tensions, President Bush yesterday ordered frozen all documents taken by federal agents during Saturday's search of the office of Louisiana Democrat Rep. William Jefferson, who is being investigated for taking bribes. The documents will now be sealed for 45 days, which the president hopes will provide a cooling off period.
The president had good reasons to act. The fracas turned into a near-open revolt yesterday among House Republicans -- normally the White House's staunchest backers -- who were infuriated by a news report that Speaker Dennis Hastert himself was a subject of the federal corruption probe.
Even though the Justice Department denied the report, Mr. Hastert, in a Chicago radio interview yesterday, accused Justice of leaking the report to try to silence his criticism of the Jefferson raid. "This is one of the leaks that come out to try to, you know, intimidate people," Mr. Hastert said. "We're just not going to be intimidated on it."
The new tensions with Capitol Hill could have a real impact on the White House. Mr. Hastert, a burly former wrestling coach, has been one of the White House's best friends on Capitol Hill. As the Senate has been willing to challenge the White House, Mr. Hastert delivered a succession of legislative victories over the years to President Bush even when it meant bending the will of his own moderate or conservative wings.
For much of Mr. Bush's term, the president's aides and policies haven't been subject to the level of congressional oversight that critics have demanded. Now, more administration officials could find themselves being hauled before skeptical -- if not hostile -- oversight committees, such as the hearings scheduled by the House Judiciary Committee next week to review the Jefferson office raid. In press releases, Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R., Wyo.) has dubbed the hearings: "Reckless Justice: Did the Saturday Night Raid of Congress Trample the Constitution?"
The battle could also embolden the Senate to pass a tougher version of legislation limiting the administration's ability to conduct domestic spying programs with the hope that the House would back them, rather than Mr. Bush, as it has in the past. And there could be more fights over spending bills, even as the spat could scuttle any hope of passing a comprehensive overhaul of immigration laws, which the White House views as a key prong of its election strategy.
"The House is now faced with a reality of power," says former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a possible candidate for president in 2008 now working at the conservative American Enterprise Institute think tank. "Either they do things that involve appropriations or oversight that are real, or they earn the contempt with which they are being treated."
The ABC News Hastert report came the same day Mr. Hastert had joined with House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi in claiming the Jefferson raid violated the constitution because it represented an infringement by the executive branch into the realm of the legislative branch.
"Obviously they don't like to be challenged and they were by the most powerful people on the Hill," Rep. Ray LaHood (R., Ill.) said in an interview. "I think Justice pointed the gun at the wrong person this time."
Frustration between the House and the Justice Department stems in part from the probe of lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
Mr. Abramoff in January pleaded guilty to trying to bribe members of Congress, and has been cooperating with federal investigators. Much of the evidence that has emerged suggests Mr. Abramoff curried favor with lawmakers by shoving cash from his clients into their campaign accounts, providing flashy accommodations for fund-raisers, such as his own downtown restaurant or skyboxes for football or basketball games, and paying for expensive trips abroad.
For many lawmakers, the investigation seems to be moving from the most egregious practices of a few members to criminalizing some basic fund-raising and lobbying techniques. "There is widespread belief on the Hill that the Justice Department is out of control with this idea that campaign contributions equals bribery," noted one Republican close to the caucus.
Thus far, government attorneys haven't made such a claim in a case against a lawmaker. But several have been forced to publicly explain how campaign donations didn't affect their official acts and to turn over documents to the FBI to prove it.
FBI agents are also seeking to interview House and Senate members to see if they leaked information to the New York Times last year disclosing the administration's controversial program allowing some eavesdropping on domestic telephone calls. Justice officials have hinted that criminal charges could be lodged in that investigation.
"For an administration that needs allies in order to come back," the Justice Department's actions are "dumbfounding," says David Gergen, a veteran of Republican and Democratic administrations.
Mr. Bush has, in some ways, aggravated congressional Republicans since the beginning of his presidency, when he sought strict loyalty from legislative partisans, arguing that his success and theirs were inseparable. Now, many fear that they -- and not Mr. Bush -- will pay an electoral price for backing what is now an unpopular war in Iraq, and the president's plunging approval ratings.
Yesterday afternoon, House Republicans gathered in a windowless basement room for a private meeting aimed at sorting through the roller coaster of the past few days. They left the meeting carrying talking points from Republican leaders: "No one is above the law," the paper said. "Just as no branch of government is above the Constitution."
WASHINGTON -- The recent FBI raid of a congressman's office is fueling a power struggle between Congress and the administration that could hobble President Bush in his efforts to move his legislative agenda.
In hopes of easing tensions, President Bush yesterday ordered frozen all documents taken by federal agents during Saturday's search of the office of Louisiana Democrat Rep. William Jefferson, who is being investigated for taking bribes. The documents will now be sealed for 45 days, which the president hopes will provide a cooling off period.
The president had good reasons to act. The fracas turned into a near-open revolt yesterday among House Republicans -- normally the White House's staunchest backers -- who were infuriated by a news report that Speaker Dennis Hastert himself was a subject of the federal corruption probe.
Even though the Justice Department denied the report, Mr. Hastert, in a Chicago radio interview yesterday, accused Justice of leaking the report to try to silence his criticism of the Jefferson raid. "This is one of the leaks that come out to try to, you know, intimidate people," Mr. Hastert said. "We're just not going to be intimidated on it."
The new tensions with Capitol Hill could have a real impact on the White House. Mr. Hastert, a burly former wrestling coach, has been one of the White House's best friends on Capitol Hill. As the Senate has been willing to challenge the White House, Mr. Hastert delivered a succession of legislative victories over the years to President Bush even when it meant bending the will of his own moderate or conservative wings.
For much of Mr. Bush's term, the president's aides and policies haven't been subject to the level of congressional oversight that critics have demanded. Now, more administration officials could find themselves being hauled before skeptical -- if not hostile -- oversight committees, such as the hearings scheduled by the House Judiciary Committee next week to review the Jefferson office raid. In press releases, Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R., Wyo.) has dubbed the hearings: "Reckless Justice: Did the Saturday Night Raid of Congress Trample the Constitution?"
The battle could also embolden the Senate to pass a tougher version of legislation limiting the administration's ability to conduct domestic spying programs with the hope that the House would back them, rather than Mr. Bush, as it has in the past. And there could be more fights over spending bills, even as the spat could scuttle any hope of passing a comprehensive overhaul of immigration laws, which the White House views as a key prong of its election strategy.
"The House is now faced with a reality of power," says former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a possible candidate for president in 2008 now working at the conservative American Enterprise Institute think tank. "Either they do things that involve appropriations or oversight that are real, or they earn the contempt with which they are being treated."
The ABC News Hastert report came the same day Mr. Hastert had joined with House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi in claiming the Jefferson raid violated the constitution because it represented an infringement by the executive branch into the realm of the legislative branch.
"Obviously they don't like to be challenged and they were by the most powerful people on the Hill," Rep. Ray LaHood (R., Ill.) said in an interview. "I think Justice pointed the gun at the wrong person this time."
Frustration between the House and the Justice Department stems in part from the probe of lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
Mr. Abramoff in January pleaded guilty to trying to bribe members of Congress, and has been cooperating with federal investigators. Much of the evidence that has emerged suggests Mr. Abramoff curried favor with lawmakers by shoving cash from his clients into their campaign accounts, providing flashy accommodations for fund-raisers, such as his own downtown restaurant or skyboxes for football or basketball games, and paying for expensive trips abroad.
For many lawmakers, the investigation seems to be moving from the most egregious practices of a few members to criminalizing some basic fund-raising and lobbying techniques. "There is widespread belief on the Hill that the Justice Department is out of control with this idea that campaign contributions equals bribery," noted one Republican close to the caucus.
Thus far, government attorneys haven't made such a claim in a case against a lawmaker. But several have been forced to publicly explain how campaign donations didn't affect their official acts and to turn over documents to the FBI to prove it.
FBI agents are also seeking to interview House and Senate members to see if they leaked information to the New York Times last year disclosing the administration's controversial program allowing some eavesdropping on domestic telephone calls. Justice officials have hinted that criminal charges could be lodged in that investigation.
"For an administration that needs allies in order to come back," the Justice Department's actions are "dumbfounding," says David Gergen, a veteran of Republican and Democratic administrations.
Mr. Bush has, in some ways, aggravated congressional Republicans since the beginning of his presidency, when he sought strict loyalty from legislative partisans, arguing that his success and theirs were inseparable. Now, many fear that they -- and not Mr. Bush -- will pay an electoral price for backing what is now an unpopular war in Iraq, and the president's plunging approval ratings.
Yesterday afternoon, House Republicans gathered in a windowless basement room for a private meeting aimed at sorting through the roller coaster of the past few days. They left the meeting carrying talking points from Republican leaders: "No one is above the law," the paper said. "Just as no branch of government is above the Constitution."
[imra] Daily digest - Volume: 2 Issue: 1405 (13 messages)
imra Tue May 30 00:31:21 2006 Volume 2 : Issue 1405
In this issue of the imra daily Digest:
Summary of Attacks on Israel's
Northern Border and the IDF Response
Terror Attack Thwarted
Tel Aviv within range of new Hezbollah rocket
The Legacy of Dr. Joseph Lerner: Sun, June 4th, 2006
- Jerusalem
[Not a parody]Nadia Matar put on trial
for "insulting a public servant"
Excerpts: Threat to Gulf states of teaching English.Jordan's future.29
May 2006
PM Haniya Asserts Int'l Funding
Offered Previously for Political Concessions
PCHR Condemns the Attempted
Abduction of Ashraf Nasrallah in Gaza
Internal Violence Continues in the Gaza Strip
FM Livni meets with Turkish counterpart Gul
Hizbullah rebuilding positions on Lebanon-Israel Border
British National Arrested for Assisting Hamas
PRESBYTERIAN LEADERS CHALLENGE DIVESTMENT POLICY
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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Summary of Attacks on Israel's
Northern Border and the IDF Response
May 29th, 2006
IDF SPOKESPERSON ANNOUNCEMENT
Summary of attacks on Israel's northern border and the IDF response
In the early morning hours of Sunday, May 28th 2006, several Katyusha
rockets were launched from Lebanese territory towards Israel. The rockets
hit an IDF base in northern Israel, lightly wounding an IDF soldier and
causing damage to the base. The soldier was evacuated to an Israeli hospital
where he received medical treatment.
In response to this attack, the IDF carried out an aerial attack on two
command posts used by terror organizations in Lebanon, one of which was used
as a storage facility for weaponry and ammunition.
In the afternoon hours the Hizbullah terrorist organization launched a large
scale attack on communities and military posts situated along the border
with Lebanon. Hizbullah attacked with sniper fire and machine gun fire and
launched Katyusha rockets and mortar shells at Israeli targets, and Israeli
citizens along the border were hurried into shelters in order to protect
themselves from the rocket barrage. An IDF soldier was severely wounded in
Kibbutz Manara during the attack. He was evacuated to an Israeli hospital to
receive medical treatment.
In response to this severe unprovoked attack on Israel, the IDF returned
fire on outposts and additional Hizbullah targets along the Lebanese border,
implementing both aerial attacks and artillery fire.
The Hizbullah terror organization is facing mounting international pressure
to disarm itself in accordance with UN decisions 425 and 1559. This attack
is yet another attempt by the organization to escalate the situation along
the northern border.
The State of Israel holds the Lebanese government responsible for all
attacks emanating from its territory, and calls the Lebanese government to
act without delay to implement the UN decisions in this matter.
The IDF will respond decisively and severely to any threat to the safety of
the citizens of Israel.
------------------------------
From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Terror Attack Thwarted
May 29th, 2006
IDF SPOKESPERSON UPDATE
Two Palestinians arrested with explosives bag on their way to carry out a
terror attack
Two terrorists carrying a bag packed with explosives were arrested early
this morning while on their way to carry out a terror attack against Israeli
civilians.
Following intelligence information received by the ISA, IDF forces set up
several temporary checkpoints in the area of Nablus. The two terrorists
arrived at one of the checkpoints and when the force manning it began
checking them they attempted to escape. The force chased the two and
arrested them. During the chase the two tossed their bag, which was packed
with explosives, to the side. The explosives were later on detonated in a
controlled manner by sappers.
The two were taken for further questioning by security forces.
------------------------------
From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Tel Aviv within range of new Hezbollah rocket
Tel Aviv within range of new Hezbollah rocket
By Ze'ev Schiff, Haaretz Correspondent 29 May 2006
www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/720681.html
[IMRA: While this item received considerable media attention this morning,
it can be expected that it will be ignored within a short period of time -
just as the significance of the ability demostrated yesterday to strike a
strategic Israeli military position with three rockets launched from Lebanon
can be expected to be forgotten within days- if not hours. This is in line
with the traditional Israeli approach that no attack or potential threat
against Israel is significant unless unless it succeeds in actually killing
a large number of people.]
Iran has equipped the Lebanese-based radical Islamic group Hezbollah with
long-range rockets capable of hitting targets up to 200 kilometers away,
putting all of Israel's major urban centers within striking distance.
The solid-fuel rockets lack an independent guidance system and their
accuracy is questionable but they can still cause considerable damage.
According to intelligence estimates, the rockets are meant to strike
non-specific areas, such as towns and cities, and carry a warhead estimated
to weigh 600 kilograms. This latest development doubles the range of weapons
previously in Hezbollah's arsenal.
In this latest transfer of military technology, Iran is seeking to improve
its strategic options against Israel rather than better Hezbollah's
capabilities. Equipping a Lebanese group considered by the west to be a
terrorist organization with such rockets also poses a danger to Lebanon.
The government of Lebanon has been pressured in the past by Hezbollah to
disregard the United Nations Security Council resolution 1559, which demands
that all armed militias in the country disarm. Hezbollah maintains that it
is not a militia and is therefore not obliged to disarm, but the Security
Council has not accepted this argument.
The rockets delivered to the Hezbollah have appeared under different names.
One is Zelzal-2, and its earlier model is the Zelzal-1. Another Iranian name
for the rocket is Nazeat.
The rocket was first seen in a military parade in Tehran in September 2005,
the first such event following the election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as
president. Six Shehab-3 surface-to-surface ballistic missiles were also on
display.
In response to slogans written on the Shehab-3 rockets, calling for "Death
to Israel" and "Death to the U.S.," the military attaches of France, Italy,
Greece and Poland, invited to the event, left the VIP platform.
Earlier supplies of rockets to the Hezbollah from Iran via Syria, involved
Katyusha rockets with a range of 12-22 kilometers.
These rockets were used on occasion in attacks against Israel.
At later dates the Iranians supplied the Fajr-3 rockets, capable of reaching
targets 45 kilometers away. The Hezbollah has never used these weapons.
The Syrians also provided the Hezbollah with rockets of their own make,
believed to be of 220mm caliber, whose range is several dozen kilometers.
Iran later provided Hezbollah with Fajr-5 rockets with a range of 75
kilometers; it is capable of striking the Haifa bay and its strategic
industrial installations.
The latest Iranian delivery is of rockets whose estimated capability is 200
kilometers (the Zelzal-1 rocket had a range of 150 kilometers). The rocket
is 8.3 meters long and is 61mm in diameter. At launch, it weighs about 3.5
tons.
Because the rocket is propelled by solid-fuel, it can be easily moved.
International defense journals have reported that the Iranian rockets have
been stored by the Hezbollah in special bunkers in a number of locations in
the Bekaa near Lebanon's border with Syria.
------------------------------
From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: The Legacy of Dr. Joseph Lerner: Sun, June 4th, 2006
- Jerusalem
The Legacy of Dr. Joseph Lerner: Sun, June 4th, 2006
David Bedein 29 May 2006
Dr. Joseph Lerner, who passed away last month at the age of 84, served as a
top official in the American government, and, after his Aliya in 1986, co-
founded IMRA: Independent Media Review and Analysis, www.imra.org.il , which
presents a fresh perspective on the news and events. Joe knew how to work
with the media, with governments and with less than receptive Jewish
organizations.
David Bedein, Joe's friend, will make a presentation in memory of Dr.
Lerner, and will describe some of what he learned from working and
learning from this amazing man over the past twenty years.
Sunday night, 8:00 PM, Israel Center, June 4th, 2006
===
David Bedein is the bureau chief of the Israel Resource News Agency
www.israelbehindthenews.com
------------------------------
From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: [Not a parody]Nadia Matar put on trial
for "insulting a public servant"
Nadia Matar put on trial for "insulting a public servant"
Dr. Aaron Lerner 29 May 2006
When it was first announced that Nadia Matar of Women in Green was being
prosecuted for "insulting a public servant" via a sharp letter she sent to
Yonatan Bassi (see below for text) it was generally expected that this was
simply another ploy by overzealous officials to try to silence opponents to
their policies.
After all, in the early years of Oslo it took months for Israeli legal
officials to finally reach the conclusion that a protestor who held a sign
reading "There are 120 idiots in the Knesset" should not be charged for the
same crime.
But it appears that AG Mazuz has decided to make an example out of Matar and
her trial has been set to open on 14 June 2006 at 10 AM at the Magistrates
Court in Jerusalem.
This move by Mazuz deserves the condemnation of all who cherish the right to
freedom of speech.
The issue is not the suitability of using references to the Holocaust (I
believe it is counterproductive) - something that both sides of the Israeli
debate have done for years (then minister Lapid criticized an IDF operation
in the Gaza Strip by saying that a photo of an old Palestinian woman in a
destroyed home reminded him of an image from the Holocaust, many Leftist
academics have labeled settlement supporters "Nazis", etc.) but rather the
right to free speech.
One would hope that before the trial date is reached that enough supporters
of free speech from the entire political spectrum will take a stand against
this action so that the Jewish State can avoid what can only become a
terrible embarrassment.
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www.womeningreen.org.il/petition/
Fast of Gedaliah 5765 (2004), September 19,2004
To Mr. Yonatan Bassi,
Head of the Deportation Administration
Re: Help in writing your letter to the Jews of Gush Katif
I read on the Internet that in the coming days you will send a personal
letter to each of the inhabitants of Gush Katif who are designated for
deportation. Your letter contains a "personal appeal and initial explanation
of the evacuation process." According to the report in YNet, the final
version of the letter has not yet been formulated, and therefore I am
volunteering to "help" you formulate the letter. I am attaching a document
that is chillingly similar to what you are about to send - and, actually,
all you need to do is to change the date (from 1942 to 2004) and the place
of the deportation (from Berlin to Gush Katif) and, here, your letter is
ready.
The document is a letter from 1942 to the Jews about the upcoming
deportation from Berlin. The letter was sent to the candidates for
deportation by the Jews of the Judenrat (the Disengagement Authority), in
cooperation with the Nazi authorities. The document goes into great detail
as to where the people will be transferred, what they are to take with them,
and what they are to leave behind. The letter can be found at
www.yadvashem.org.il/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%202261.pdf
The document ends with an emotional appeal by the heads of the Jewish
community in Berlin to act calmly, and thereby facilitate the work of the
deportation. "We fervently request that you obey the orders and perform all
the preparations for the transport in a calm manner. The members of our
community who are designated for immigration should be aware that they con
decisively contribute to the smooth implementation of the transport by their
personal conduct and orderly compliance with all the orders. Needless to
say, we will do all that is in our power, to the extent that this is
permitted us, to stand by the members of our community and offer them all
possible aid" [Council of the Jewish Community in Berlin, 1942].
How similar is this to your words, when you say in various interviews how
much you "identify with the pain of the settlers of Gush Katif," and how
important it is that you, specifically, are involved in their deportation,
in order to ease the process. But all of your declarations will be of no
avail, Yonatan. The truth is that you are a modern version of the Judenrat -
actually, a much worse version, because then, during the Holocaust, this was
forced upon those Jewish leaders by the Nazis, and it is extremely difficult
for us, today, to judge them. Today, no one stands with a gun to your head
and forces you to collaborate in the crime, without any conscience pangs.
Yes, I know. There is a difference between then and now. The goal of the
Nazi monster - that also annihilated most of my family - was the physical
annihilation of the Jewish people, a physical Holocaust. But let's not
pretend to be innocent: the goal of the deportation from Gush Katif and
northern Samaria is the annihilation of the entire Jewish settlement in
Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, as an interim stage of a spiritual Holocaust: the
elimination of the state as a Jewish state, and its transformation into a
secular state, a state of all its citizens, without any Jewishness. Not to
mention, of course, the bloody price that we will have to pay for our
retreat. If the criminal Oslo accords cost us more than 1000 victims,
Sharon's deportation plan will give such a push to the Nazi Arab terror (for
the Arabs will see that Israel's folding is proof that terror pays) that I
fear to think how many Jews will pay with their lives for Sharon's
"disengagement."
In conclusion - I wish to correct the empty words by Minister Poraz, who
said today that "a Jew, too, may be an anti-Semite." This sentence should
be: "History has proven that Jews are the biggest anti-Semites." And,
Yonatan, you should know that there is no escape from the simple truth:
whoever participates in the deportation of the Jews of Gush Katif and
northern Samaria - participates in an anti-Semitic act, and will be
remembered as such, for everlasting shame. It is still possible for you to
resign from your abhorrent post and arrive at Yom Kippur, the Day of
Judgment, clean and at peace with your conscience, without being part of the
modern Judenrat - the Deportation Authority.
Nadia Matar, Co-Chairperson of Women in Green
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:46:50 +0300
From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Excerpts: Threat to Gulf states of teaching English.Jordan's future.29
May 2006
Message-ID: <007401c682fc$6e6acba0$0401a8c0@lacrosse>
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Excerpts: Threat to Gulf states of teaching.
English.Jordan's future.29 May 2006
Excerpts: Threat to Gulf states of teaching English. Jordan's future.29 May 2006
+++THE DAILY STAR (Lebanon) 29 May '06:
"Teaching English as a method of control" By Ebitisam Al-Kibti, reprinted from Arab Reform Bulletin, Carnegie Endowment
QUOTES FROM TEXT:
"new curricula will shape the minds of coming generations"
"" reliance on English ... serve foreign interests more than serve societies of the Gulf"
" the more the educational system is in step with society and compliments public policies, the more the results will serve actual needs in the Gulf states"
In recent years the Arab Gulf states ...have undertaken wide-ranging changes .... the most prominent areas of change has been education, which lays the foundation for cultural, social and political consciousness.
...A quick look at educational initiatives already under way and those under consideration can shed light on how new curricula will shape the minds of coming generations in the region.
... increasing reliance on the English language at the university level ... The decision to change the language of instruction in the social sciences and humanities to English, although many students lack the required proficiency, has profound implications for education.
.... When students discover that their failure to follow along ....caused by their deficiency in a foreign language, many ...will abandon educational pursuits. This would be an unfortunate societal loss.
With the exception of a small group of outstanding students who master English, many others .... will have to be content with unremarkable scholastic achievement. Naturally, this is not the type of student that the public policies in the Gulf countries aim to produce, nor is it the type of student that is required by the demands of development efforts.
The increasing reliance on English is an example of the sort of proposed changes in educational systems that serve foreign interests more than they serve the societies of the Gulf. ...comes within the context of the control and suppression of university youth, so that their worldview in the future will be compatible with and serve the interests of those powers....
Strategic reform of educational systems aiming, in the long run, to bring about an increase in national achievements would require greater cohesion between the coming generations and the issues relevant to the general population. It would also entail opening up space for popular participation in the political sphere and in socio-cultural action. The more the educational system is in step with society and complements public policies, the more the results will serve actual needs in the Gulf states.
Ebtisam al-Kitbi is assistant professor of political science at the United Arab Emirates University. This commentary ... reprinted with permission from the Arab Reform Bulletin, Vol. 4, issue 4 (May 2006) www.CarnegieEndowment.org/ArabReform .
+++JORDAN TIMES 29 May '06:"Editorial:A solid investment"
QUOTE FROM TEXT:
"economic security ...would not only guarantee Jordan's stability, it would ensure its prgress and hopefully free it from its reliance on assistance. ...investment in education is key"
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EXCERPTS:
It's that time of year when...delegations of interest groups head to the Middle East on exploratory visits. Among them are US congressional aides ... .(who)work for US senators and House Representatives who, as members of appropriations committees, hold the purse strings to foreign aid. Clearly their interest, on behalf of their bosses, is whether that aid is effective and whether it is recognised and acknowledged by the general public.
The goal is to stimulate positive socio-economic and political achievements in the recipient countries and gain allies, as one such aide put it succinctly.
But these aides grow weary of the "official line." They tire of hearing Jordan's "wish list," and are aware of public resentment to US foreign policy and therefore a distaste for aid dependency.
...more tangible long-term results could be obtained by redirecting some of the aid into educational exchange scholarships for undergraduates and graduates.
The building of consecutive cadres of university lecturers and professors educated in the US and other countries would be a far greater investment in the future and progress of Jordan as a modern, democratic and pluralistic country than the building of new suburban road networks.
For investors to be attracted to a country such as Jordan we need not just a skilled workforce but also a complementary highly educated workforce that can attract hi-tech service industries, healthcare and scientific industries, and other large employers.
Economic security, even in a neighbourhood as troubled as ours, would not only guarantee Jordan's stability, it would ensure its progress and hopefully free it from its reliance on assistance. To this end, investment in education is key.
Sue Lerner - Associate - IMRA
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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: PM Haniya Asserts Int'l Funding
Offered Previously for Political Concessions
PM Haniya Asserts Int'l Funding Offered Previously for Political Concessions
www.ipc.gov.ps/ipc_new/english/details.asp?name=16283
GAZA, Palestine, May 29, 2006 (IPC + Agencies) - [Official PA website] -
Prime Minister Ismail Haniya asserted on Sunday that the siege imposed on
the Palestinian people has proven that the international financial
assistance that had been offered to the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)
in the past has been for a "political price".
During a meeting with 25 mayors in Gaza Strip, PM Haniya added that his
government has got the agenda and the program for a comprehensive reform
process, which will benefit all the institutions and sectors of the
Palestinian community, and noting that the main financial problems can be
overcome by solving the source financial crisis.
The Prime Minister expressed hope in that part of the funds deposited at the
League of Arab States would be transferred directly to the municipalities
through the Finance Ministry - which would solve some of the financial
crises these municipalities suffer from currently.
The international community has suspended most of its financial assistance
to the PNA following the formation of the new Palestinian government by
Hamas movement last March, arguing that it should first recognize Israel,
respect the agreements signed between the previous government and Israel and
renounce violence in order to resume the assistance.
Following the latest legislative elections, which took place last January,
the international community ceased its annual $1 billion assistance to the
PNA, while the US government, under pressure from Israel, stopped its $234
million assistance every year to the Palestinians.
On the other hand, the Israeli government sought to blockade the Palestinian
Authority by closing all vital commercial crossings, withholding the monthly
Palestinian tax clearance revenues and campaigning against the new
government internationally in order to boycott its members.
Commentators believe that the Palestinian crisis will continue unless all
Palestinian factions involved in the national dialogue reach an agreement
that would deal with the internal situation and end the tensions, while
forming a national coalition government.
However, even if such a government is formed, the financial situation of the
PNA will still be critical and will not improve past its status before the
legislative elections, because international funding - this time - will be
more subjected to strict conditions and Palestinians would be subjected to
political blackmail more than before.
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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: PCHR Condemns the Attempted
Abduction of Ashraf Nasrallah in Gaza
PCHR
Palestinian Centre for Human Rights
Press Release
Ref: 45/2006
Date: 29 May 2006
Time: 11:00 GMT
PCHR Condemns the Attempted Abduction of Ashraf Nasrallah in Gaza
The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) strongly condemns the
attempted abduction of its employee Ashraf Nasrallah (lawyer) by gunmen near
the court compound in Gaza City. This crime is yet another episode in the
security chaos currently plaguing the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT).
PCHR's preliminary investigation indicates that at approximately 12:15 on
Sunday, 28 May 2006, a number of gunmen traveling in a white car intercepted
Ashraf, a 34-year-old resident of the Rimal area of Gaza City and a lawyer
at the Centre, as he was leaving the court compound in Wahda Street, Gaza
City. Three gunmen walked up to Ashraf and, at gunpoint, told him to come
with them. He refused to comply with the demand, however. One of the
gunmen then entered Ashraf's car and told him to drive and follow his
instructions. Ashraf refused to comply with the second demand also. The
traffic rush and the gathering of people in the area forced the gunmen to
leave the scene. Before leaving, however, one of the gunmen fired at
Ashraf. The bullet missed him and hit the front of his car. Ashraf
submitted a complaint to the Abbas Police Station and an investigation was
launched.
PCHR is extremely concerned over the attempted kidnapping of Ashraf and the
subsequent shooting attempt. The Centre calls upon the Palestinian National
Authority, represented by the Attorney-General, to investigate this attack
and to bring the perpetrators to justice.
-End-
Public Document
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2824776 - 2825893
PCHR, 29 Omer El Mukhtar St., El Remal, PO Box 1328 Gaza, Gaza Strip.
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Subject: Internal Violence Continues in the Gaza Strip
PCHR
Palestinian Centre for Human Rights
Security Chaos and Proliferation of Small Arms
Use of Weapons in Personal and Clan Disputes
Field Update
29 May 2006
Internal Violence Continues in the Gaza Strip
On Sunday, 28 May 2006, a number of attacks occurred in the Gaza Strip, as
the security chaos in the area continues. One citizen was kidnapped in Khan
Yunis, another was injured by gunfire in Gaza, and armed clashes broke out
between members of the same clan in Greater Abasan.
PCHR's preliminary investigation indicates that at approximately 13:00 on
Sunday, gunmen kidnapped Naser Zere'i S'laiyeh (30), while he and his wife
were about to take a taxi in Khan Yunis. He was brought to an undisclosed
location. The kidnapping was motivated by a clan dispute between the S'laiyeh
clan and the clan of the kidnappers. S'laiyeh clan members gathered in the
Ma'an and Joret El-Lout areas in the west of Khan Yunis and armed clashes
erupted between the feuding clans. No injuries were reported. After
approximately two hours, the kidnapped man was released following
intervention from community leaders.
At approximately 21:00 on Sunday, unknown gunmen in a civilian car fired at
Taysir Mohammad Sallouha (24), who is a bodyguard for the Palestinian
Minister of Transportation. The incident took place near Sallouha's home in
the Naser area of Gaza City. He was injured by a bullet to the left leg and
was taken to Shifa Hospital for treatment, where his condition was described
as moderate.
And at approximately 22:00 on Sunday, members of the Qodeh clan exchanged
fire in the town of Greater Abasan, east of Khan Yunis. The incident took
place near El-Nour Mosque in the town. No injuries were reported. It is
noted that the clashes broke out following a dispute between members of the
clan that had occurred in the mosque.
PCHR is concerned about the continuation of internal violence, including the
use of weapons in personal and clan disputes, which is further aggravating
the current state of security chaos in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.
The Centre calls upon the PNA, represented by the Attorney-General, to
investigate these attacks and to bring the perpetrators to justice.
Public Document
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Subject: FM Livni meets with Turkish counterpart Gul
FM Livni meets with Turkish counterpart Gul
(Communicated by the Foreign Minister's Bureau)
Vice Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni met in Ankara this
afternoon (Monday, 29 May 2006) with Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul.
During their meeting Minister Livni made the following statement:
"Israel believes in a two-state solution for two peoples: a national home
for the Jewish people alongside a national home for all Palestinians,
wherever they are, including the refugees. The international community must
understand that we are not talking about a zero-sum game here, where one
interest comes at the expense of another -- it is also a Palestinian
interest.
"And in this context, I maintain that time is against those who believe in
the solution of two states for two peoples. Unilateral steps are not an
Israeli ideology. Nevertheless, we must not ignore the fact that the
Palestinian Authority is led by a terrorist organization that does not even
recognize Israel's right to exist. The international community must
understand that only a unified and determined front against the Hamas
government and its acceptance of the three minimal conditions set by the
community can bring about a future change. In parallel, Israel will make
every effort to make progress in coordination with [PA Chairman] Abu Mazen
and to help the Palestinian population."
The two ministers also agreed to coordinate and to keep communication open
on everything related to regional issues, especially with regard to the
Palestinian issue. Both sides praised the great increase in trade between
the two countries and Minister Gul announced his country's intention to open
a cultural center in Tel Aviv.
Minister Livni was to meet later in the day with Turkish President Ahmet
Necdet Sezer and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. She met earlier with
National Security Council Secretary-General Yeet Alfogan.
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From: imra@netvision.net.il
To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: Hizbullah rebuilding positions on Lebanon-Israel Border
Hizbullah rebuilding positions on Lebanon-Israel Border
Aaron Lerner Date: 29 May 2006
Israel Television Mabat News reported this evening that Hizbullah already
began rebuilding its positions on the Lebanon-Israel border that the IDF
damaged yesterday in the exchange of fire.
Dr. Aaron Lerner, Director IMRA (Independent Media Review & Analysis)
(Mail POB 982 Kfar Sava)
Tel 972-9-7604719/Fax 972-3-7255730
INTERNET ADDRESS: imra@netvision.net.il
Website: http://www.imra.org.il
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To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: British National Arrested for Assisting Hamas
British National Arrested for Assisting Hamas
(Communicated by the Prime Minister's Office)
Monday, 29 May, 2006
The Israel Security Agency (ISA) and the Israel Police, on 10.5.06, arrested
Iyaz Ali, a Pakistani-born British national, born in 1970. He admitted to
being a member of the UK-based Islamic Relief Worldwide (IRW), which is
suspected of supporting Hamas. He admitted to working for IRW's Gaza branch
as a project director since December 2005; he worked to transfer funds and
assistance to various Hamas institutions and organizations, including the Al
Wafa and Al Tzalah associations, which have been outlawed in Israel. He
also admitted that he worked in Jordan and cooperated with local Hamas
operatives.
Incriminating files were found on Ali's computer, including documents that
attested to the organization's ties with illegal Hamas funds abroad (in the
UK and in Saudi Arabia) and in Nablus. Also found were photographs of
swastikas superimposed on IDF symbols, of senior Nazi German officials, of
Osama Bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, as well as many photographs of
Hamas military activities.
The IRW was established in 1984 in the British city of Birmingham. It has
branches in Gaza and Ramallah. The IRW provides support and assistance to
Hamas's infrastructure. The IRW's activities in Judea, Samaria and the Gaza
Strip are carried out by social welfare organizations controlled and staffed
by Hamas operatives. The intensive activities of these associations are
designed to further Hamas's ideology among the Palestinian population.
These associations' educational and religious institutions incite against
the State of Israel and advocate terrorist actions against it and its
citizens. The associations provide support to the families of terrorists
who were wounded in actions against Israel, and to Hamas prisoners and
detainees. These associations thus promote Hamas's goals including the
destruction of the State of Israel.
Ali admitted that he was aware that several of the organizations supported
by the IRW in Judea, Samaria and Gaza were indeed identified with Hamas. By
agreement, Ali was released today (Monday), 29.5.06, with restrictions on
his movements. He will be deported from Israel in the coming days and will
be barred from returning.
The foregoing attests to the involvement of international funds and NGO's in
transferring goods and funds to organizations identified with Hamas, which
have been outlawed in the State of Israel. Israel is tightening its
supervision over the activities of such organizations.
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To: imra@imra.org.il
Subject: PRESBYTERIAN LEADERS CHALLENGE DIVESTMENT POLICY
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
US PRESBYTERIAN LEADERS CHALLENGE CHURCH'S FLAWED DIVESTMENT POLICY AGAINST
ISRAEL & CALL ON PC-USA 217TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO RESCIND IT
Completing a five-day fact finding mission throughout Israel, Gaza and the
West Bank, a group of eleven Presbyterian Church (USA) leaders announced
today that the Church's current policy to divest their $7 billion pension
fund against the State of Israel is flawed and called on the PCUSA's over
500 voting commissioners to rescind the policy at their upcoming General
Assembly June 15-22, 2006 in Birmingham, Alabama replacing it with a
positive strategy to bring about genuine peace and justice for Palestinians
and Israelis alike.
"While adoption of the divestment policy in 2004 created an important focus
on the struggle for achieving a solution to the Middle East conflict, it is
now time to put aside this one-sided, negative and counter-productive policy
that threatens to cause great harm to both Israel and the Palestinians while
creating unnecessary polarization within our own denomination," stated NCLCI
Executive Committee member Dr. John H. Cushman who is Pastor of the
Presbyterian Church of the Roses in Santa Rosa, California.
Controversy erupted throughout the PCUSA following its 216th General
Assembly, held in 2004, after pushing through a last minute resolution to
initiate phased, selective divestment in corporations conducting business in
Israel. The Church's surprise action met with immediate and widespread
disapproval from many of the Church's members, elders, pastors, and
virtually every Presbyterian member of the United States Congress.
End Divestment Now Executive Director Gary Green describes the current
situation, as follows: "Objections have continued to be expressed throughout
the US as Presbyterian congregations began questioning the accuracy and
fairness of the information upon which the General Assembly based its
ill-advised decision. During the past 24 months, some two dozen regional
governing bodies within the Church have sent overtures requesting that the
next month's 217th General Assembly in Birmingham, Alabama rescind its
divestment policy and replace it with positive, fair and balanced
initiatives. I just don't see how our Church can, in the face of an
overwhelming negative response, maintain any credibility whatsoever without
correcting this seriously ill-conceived policy. I - and the End Divestment
Now- are absolutely committed to seeing the Church's divestment policy
rescinded. We want our Church to pursue legitimate strategies that will
contribute to the resolution of the conflict and end the dissention within
our Church caused by those promoting divestment.
Contact Steve Soltzman
Mobile: 052 457 92 99
310 383 9666
National Christian Leadership Conference for Israel
For Immediate Release: May 28, 2006 FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT:
Dr.
John H. Cushman or Gary Green
707-542-4272
707-291-7166 480-812-9466
43422 West Oakes Drive
PMB #300
Novi, MI 48377-3300
(243) 557 4540
FAX: (248) 557 4527
E-MAIL: nclci@msn.com
WEB SITE: www.nclci.org
NCLCI exists to encourage and develop understanding and support for the
people, land and state of Israel in the North American Christian community
The eleven member fact finding mission met with a broad cross section of
religious, government, business and NGO leaders including: Pro-Divestment
Palestinian activist Naim Ateek; Director of Sabeel, Coptic Orthodox
Patriarch Archbishop Anba Abraham; Former Israel Chief Rabbi Israel Meir
Lau; Beit Hagefen Arab-Jewish Center Director General Dr. Moti Peri; Former
Israel Housing Minister Nathan Sharansky; Jerusalem Post journalist Khaled
Abu Toameh; Haifa mayor Yona Yahav; Uzi Dayan, Israel General and Former
National Security Advisor to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon; Shafaaram Mayor
Ziad Yassin; Jaffa Institute Executive Director Dr. David J. Portowicz,
Israel National Security Council Deputy Director for Foreign Policy Eran
Etzion; Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs Scholar in Residence Justice
Reid Weiner, Municipality of Tel Aviv-Yafo Deputy Mayor Yael Dayan and
Director of International Relations Elav Blizowsky; Israel commentator Ehud
Yaari.
The Presbyterian fact finding mission also included: a one and a half hour
helicopter tour, on-site inspections and briefings on the Erez and Karni
Crossing check points, and the Security Fence at Kalkilya; meetings with
five Arab, Jewish and Christian victims of terrorism; and discussions with
four leading Jewish and Arab businessmen including Nir Barkat discussing the
state of the region's economy.
A list of all eleven members, with their affiliations, are listed below:
The Rev. Jan Armstrong, Pastor- First Presbyterian Church of Arroyo Grande,
CA; Peacekeeping and International Mission committee member
Dr. John H. Cushman, Presbyterian Church of the Roses Pastor- Santa Rosa,
California and NCLCI Executive Committee member
Adam Fischer, Theological Student Advisory Delegate from Louisville
Presbyterian Theological seminary. Member, Peace Making and International
Mission committee
Gary Green, End Divestment Now- Scottsdale, Arizona
The Rev, Bob Henley, Pastor of the Big Wood, Ketchum, ID and Commissioner of
the General Assembly
The Rev. Gene T. Price, General Assembly Overture Advocate for Houston
The Rev. Timothy Smith, Northminster Presbyterian Church Pastor- New Mexico,
General Assembly Overture Advocate
William Spons, Presbyterian author Chris Rhodes, General Assembly delegate.
Presbytery of the Redwoods- Northern California
Andrew Summers, Presbyterian College Student in international Relations
The Rev. Ed Hurley- Pastor, First Presbyterian Church, General Assembly
delegate- Birmingham, Alabama
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Conspiracy and Closed Minds on 9/11 — Morgan Reynolds, Mon May 29 00:32
Some "Good" Hate Came Out On That Message! — Rich Sheridan, Mon May 29 01:40
ThermoNuclear War is Imminent! — Rich Sheridan, Mon May 29 02:02
what is the answer — keystone State, Mon May 29 02:20
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Plans to Depopulate the Earth — -Prince Phillips, Duke of Edinburgh, Mon May 29 02:37
POPULATION EXPLOSION — by Dee Finney, Mon May 29 02:42
Information to set the 9/11 movement on fire. — "THE MERIA HELLER SHOW", Mon May 29 02:59
Inmigration New — Ari, Mon May 29 03:05
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To the UNITED NATIONS Security Council — Judah Ben-Hur, Mon May 29 12:49
What are we to do — Ray Kirkus, Mon May 29 13:02
CBS News Crew Hit: Is Pentagon Responsible? — Cheryl Seal, Mon May 29 14:02
TD, Pepper, Dan & Pat..Thanks! — Rich Sheridan, Mon May 29 14:57
WAITING, YELLOW DOG TRAITOR. — Vinnie S., Mon May 29 15:37
That's it? — Vinnie S., Mon May 29 15:42
Operating Base Camp Danger, near Tikrit in Iraq. — 42nd Infantry “Rainbow” Division, Mon May 29 16:06
Sallie, those who believe in the Bill of Rights are Sickos? — Ray Kirkus, Mon May 29 16:13
THE PEARL HARBOR DECEPTION — RESEARCHER, Mon May 29 16:18
The Bombing of Pearl Harbor — (Costello 1), Mon May 29 16:27
Vets find they can't buy recognition — By E.A. Torriero, Mon May 29 17:03
George W. Bush and Kenneth Lay — By Jason Leopold, Mon May 29 17:30
GLOBAL WARMING — David Albarn, Mon May 29 17:49
Thank you "Ray of Hope" — Rich Sheridan, Mon May 29 18:53
Day 6-6-6 Here in *8 Days!!! Be Positive. — Rich Sheridan, Mon May 29 19:16
YOUR BUSTED — maddog, Mon May 29 19:18
VIDEO: Terry Anderson in Crawford, TX — spiker, Mon May 29 20:28
AUDIO: information to set the 9/11 movement on fire — Meria Heller, Mon May 29 20:59
Re: That's it? — SwampFox, Mon May 29 22:35
Re: Notice how Swamp Rot has nothing to say to this........ — SwampFox, Mon May 29 22:36
World populated is just one of SIX COMMON GLOBALIST MISCONCE — tom green, Tue May 30 00:18
Conspiracy and Closed Minds on 9/11 — Morgan Reynolds, Mon May 29 00:32
Some "Good" Hate Came Out On That Message! — Rich Sheridan, Mon May 29 01:40
ThermoNuclear War is Imminent! — Rich Sheridan, Mon May 29 02:02
what is the answer — keystone State, Mon May 29 02:20
Here is why Bush wants open borders — By: KARL DEWEY, Mon May 29 02:22
So who isn't crazy??? — Daniel E. Moore, Mon May 29 02:22
Plans to Depopulate the Earth — -Prince Phillips, Duke of Edinburgh, Mon May 29 02:37
POPULATION EXPLOSION — by Dee Finney, Mon May 29 02:42
Information to set the 9/11 movement on fire. — "THE MERIA HELLER SHOW", Mon May 29 02:59
Inmigration New — Ari, Mon May 29 03:05
Re: Rich Sheridan = sicko — TD, Mon May 29 03:13
Well, Swamp Snot , check this out from your own links! — Pepper, Mon May 29 07:45
Pictures don't lie, neither do official autopsy reports.... — Pepper, Mon May 29 07:50
HAHAHAHAA, I just read the rest of your links! — Pepper, Mon May 29 07:58
Simplistic thinking, once again! — Pepper, Mon May 29 08:03
PROVIDE THE LINK! — Pepper, Mon May 29 08:06
Not near as scary as Texas Bush supporters!!!! — Pepper, Mon May 29 08:12
Well, Sally, you listen to the council meetings..... — Pepper, Mon May 29 08:14
I AGREE 100%. Know em dead, Rick — Pepper, Mon May 29 08:15
HAHAHAHAHA! Good one Rick! — Pepper, Mon May 29 08:18
Great read; maybe Swampy should read this? (nm) — Ray Kirkus, Mon May 29 12:09
Re: Great read; maybe Swampy should read this? — SwampFox, Mon May 29 12:11
To the UNITED NATIONS Security Council — Judah Ben-Hur, Mon May 29 12:49
What are we to do — Ray Kirkus, Mon May 29 13:02
CBS News Crew Hit: Is Pentagon Responsible? — Cheryl Seal, Mon May 29 14:02
TD, Pepper, Dan & Pat..Thanks! — Rich Sheridan, Mon May 29 14:57
WAITING, YELLOW DOG TRAITOR. — Vinnie S., Mon May 29 15:37
That's it? — Vinnie S., Mon May 29 15:42
Operating Base Camp Danger, near Tikrit in Iraq. — 42nd Infantry “Rainbow” Division, Mon May 29 16:06
Sallie, those who believe in the Bill of Rights are Sickos? — Ray Kirkus, Mon May 29 16:13
THE PEARL HARBOR DECEPTION — RESEARCHER, Mon May 29 16:18
The Bombing of Pearl Harbor — (Costello 1), Mon May 29 16:27
Vets find they can't buy recognition — By E.A. Torriero, Mon May 29 17:03
George W. Bush and Kenneth Lay — By Jason Leopold, Mon May 29 17:30
GLOBAL WARMING — David Albarn, Mon May 29 17:49
Thank you "Ray of Hope" — Rich Sheridan, Mon May 29 18:53
Day 6-6-6 Here in *8 Days!!! Be Positive. — Rich Sheridan, Mon May 29 19:16
YOUR BUSTED — maddog, Mon May 29 19:18
VIDEO: Terry Anderson in Crawford, TX — spiker, Mon May 29 20:28
AUDIO: information to set the 9/11 movement on fire — Meria Heller, Mon May 29 20:59
Re: That's it? — SwampFox, Mon May 29 22:35
Re: Notice how Swamp Rot has nothing to say to this........ — SwampFox, Mon May 29 22:36
World populated is just one of SIX COMMON GLOBALIST MISCONCE — tom green, Tue May 30 00:18
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[political-research] [Fwd: WW4/5 -the countdown and sideshow continues...]
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WW4/5 -the countdown continues...
Analysis by ewing2001
May 29, 2006
While the whole world is observing the current conflict between U.S. and Iran, it's still very obvious, that this 'crisis' was only constructed as a sideshow and pysOP 'warmup', to distract from the final steps for a new World War, this time between U.S., China and Russia.
In the worst scenario, a possible attack on Iran would be already an automatic trigger for this very same scenario.
Of course, this isn't also just a conflict between States or Governments, but between Corporate Identity, Fortune Millionaires, connected private military- and intelligence contractors and their associated thintanks and media.
Let's focus instead on the Organisations, which might build logical alliances, representing these US-Russia-China entities.
The Shanghai Cooperation Organization
The Shanghai Cooperation Organization comprises the former Soviet republics in Central Asia - Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan - as well as Russia and China....
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[political-research] Another "Christian" psychopath waging war on America
Garments stamped "Made In USA" are really made by chinese slaves in the
Mariana Islands thanx to Ralph Reed's conservative "christians."
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [ctrl] Another Stumble for Ralph Reed
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:58:28 -0500
From: Alamaine, IVe <fratliff@gra.midco.net>
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To: ctrl@yahoogroups.com
Another Stumble for Ralph Reed's Beleaguered Campaign
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/28/AR2006052800964_pf.html
By Thomas B. Edsall
Monday, May 29, 2006; A05
In August 1999, political organizer Ralph Reed's firm sent out a mailer
to Alabama conservative Christians asking them to call then-Rep. Bob
Riley (R-Ala.) and tell him to vote against legislation that would have
made the U.S. commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands subject to federal
wage and worker safety laws.
Now those seven-year-old words are coming back to haunt Reed, the former
executive director of the Christian Coalition and a candidate for the
Republican nomination to be Georgia's lieutenant governor.
"The radical left, the Big Labor Union Bosses, and Bill Clinton want to
pass a law preventing Chinese from coming to work on the Marianas
Islands," the mailer from Reed's firm said. The Chinese workers, it
added, "are exposed to the teachings of Jesus Christ" while on the
islands, and many "are converted to the Christian faith and return to
China with Bibles in hand."
A year earlier, the Department of the Interior -- which oversees federal
policy toward the U.S. territory -- presented a very different picture of
life for Chinese workers on the islands. An Interior report found that
Chinese women were subject to forced abortions and that women and
children were subject to forced prostitution in the local sex-tourism
industry.
It also alleged that the garment industry and other businesses set up
facilities on the Northern Marianas to produce products labeled "Made in
the USA," while importing workers from China and other Asian countries
and paying them less than U.S. minimum wage under conditions not subject
to federal safety standards.
Lisa Baron, a spokeswoman for Reed's campaign, said Millennium Marketing
"was hired as a direct-mail subcontractor to assist in encouraging grass-
roots citizens to promote the propagation of the gospel."
"As a defender of the unborn, Ralph was unaware of any allegations
regarding inhumane or illegal treatment of workers, and he would strongly
object to such practices, if true," she added.
Reed's close friend and political ally, disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff,
represented the commonwealth as a partner of Greenberg Traurig. The
islands' government paid Abramoff $4.04 million from 1998 to 2002.
Greenberg Traurig hired Millennium Marketing to print the mailing.
Reed is running for the GOP nomination against state Sen. Casey Cagle.
The old mailing was brought to a reporter's attention by former employees
of Reed, who said the support on behalf of Northern Marinas leaves their
former boss exposed as a hypocrite.
The Mariana mailing adds another hurdle to Reed's campaign, which already
has been plagued by the disclosures that Abramoff paid Reed more than $4
million to conduct grass-roots lobbying on behalf of Indian casinos
seeking to prevent potential competitors from getting approval to open
new facilities.
Alamaine, IVe
Grand Forks, ND, US of A
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[911InsideJobbers] Re: That's all folks. Case solved.
"It's a fact that flight 175's target spot was so precise that
it mainly by passed the centre core of the south tower and at the same
time was breaking up as it went through. That too was so precise. The
breaking up was so precise to have caused it to totally disappear
inside the building.".......
again...... check out the wording...
"... so precise to have caused it to totally DISAPPEAR inside the
building...
====
http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/noplane2/
Like magic !!!!
Why... it must be that magical nano-technology that causes it to just
miraculously "self-destruct" and DISSOLVE at the very "precise"
momement of (what should be) IMPACT ....
But there is no apparent impact, is there.
The "precise" just causes it to just perfectly "disapppear" (with no
visible surfact impact).....
Very precise ...
precise video cartoon horseshit.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...> wrote:
>
> This is my observations from drawings that appear in the book "102
Minutes" these drawings are from simulations done by Weidlinger
Associates. They are drawings showing the planes about to enter the
buildings until [I assume] the planes came to rest. The timings go up
in increments of 8 seconds. Six stages are shown and the first 0
seconds is impact time.[evidently these drawings appeared in the New
York Times]
>
> The only conclusion from these drawings is that the cores did not
prevent the forward motion of both planes. That is how Weidlinger
Associates reckon it happened. Sounds like a German company. Anyone we
know?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alexldent
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 3:03 PM
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: That's all folks. Case solved.
>
>
> >>>both planes took 40 seconds to come to rest inside the two
> buildings.<<<
>
> What are you talking about?
>
> One important point I'm not sure you realize is that a Boeing 767
> going into the South tower, as UA175 was alleged to have, the fuselage
> would have impacted the core, not just the wing.
>
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@> wrote:
> >
> > Computer simulations of both hits on the towers were done on
behalf of
> > the National Institute of Standards and Technology by Weidlinger
> > Associates.
> >
> > You will of course have to accept that the center cores of both
towers
> > did not act in anyway to the prevent the planes from totally
entering
> > the buildings.
> >
> > It will be harder for you to accept it in relation to 175 when you
> > discover that 175 chose the side of the south tower with the
shortest
> > space between the outer wall and the center core. The center cores
> > were both rectangular and the one in the south tower the core ran
> > south to north and the one in the north tower ran east to west.
> >
> > It's as though this was reckoned upon when 11 hit in the center and
> > 175 hit off center but however you look on it you must forget the
> > cores acted as resistence to these attacking planes because they
> > didn't. It's a fact that flight 175's target spot was so precise
that
> > it mainly by passed the centre core of the south tower and at
the same
> > time was breaking up as it went through. That too was so
precise. The
> > breaking up was so precise to have caused it to totally disappear
> > inside the building.
> >
> > One slow-mo of 175 shows the tail stop for a moment before it glides
> > into the building. This is because the port wing had penetrated the
> > core along its full length and had come up against a little
resistence
> > [at the same time the front of the fuselage had totally been
> > destroyed] until the wing root could take no more and disentergrated
> > and then been ripped of the fuselage. The starboard wing and the
> > fuselage, from the wings to the rear ended up moving along the east
> > side of the tower and just stopped short of coming full pelt through
> > the corner of the north wall and none of it came bursting
through the
> > east wall.
> >
> > So the south tower, which allowed 175 to enter it so easily didn't
> > want to let it go so easily. You may call that precision flying.
> >
> > The interesting thing is that flight 11 crashed right through
the core
> > and nearly got through to piercing the south wall because it
only had
> > the short width of the core to get through but then the north tower
> > didn't want to give up its intruder so easily either.
> >
> > And the most amazing thing is that both planes took 40 seconds
to come
> > to rest inside the two buildings.
> >
> > That's how it was done. With precision.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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it mainly by passed the centre core of the south tower and at the same
time was breaking up as it went through. That too was so precise. The
breaking up was so precise to have caused it to totally disappear
inside the building.".......
again...... check out the wording...
"... so precise to have caused it to totally DISAPPEAR inside the
building...
====
http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/noplane2/
Like magic !!!!
Why... it must be that magical nano-technology that causes it to just
miraculously "self-destruct" and DISSOLVE at the very "precise"
momement of (what should be) IMPACT ....
But there is no apparent impact, is there.
The "precise" just causes it to just perfectly "disapppear" (with no
visible surfact impact).....
Very precise ...
precise video cartoon horseshit.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...> wrote:
>
> This is my observations from drawings that appear in the book "102
Minutes" these drawings are from simulations done by Weidlinger
Associates. They are drawings showing the planes about to enter the
buildings until [I assume] the planes came to rest. The timings go up
in increments of 8 seconds. Six stages are shown and the first 0
seconds is impact time.[evidently these drawings appeared in the New
York Times]
>
> The only conclusion from these drawings is that the cores did not
prevent the forward motion of both planes. That is how Weidlinger
Associates reckon it happened. Sounds like a German company. Anyone we
know?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alexldent
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 3:03 PM
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: That's all folks. Case solved.
>
>
> >>>both planes took 40 seconds to come to rest inside the two
> buildings.<<<
>
> What are you talking about?
>
> One important point I'm not sure you realize is that a Boeing 767
> going into the South tower, as UA175 was alleged to have, the fuselage
> would have impacted the core, not just the wing.
>
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@> wrote:
> >
> > Computer simulations of both hits on the towers were done on
behalf of
> > the National Institute of Standards and Technology by Weidlinger
> > Associates.
> >
> > You will of course have to accept that the center cores of both
towers
> > did not act in anyway to the prevent the planes from totally
entering
> > the buildings.
> >
> > It will be harder for you to accept it in relation to 175 when you
> > discover that 175 chose the side of the south tower with the
shortest
> > space between the outer wall and the center core. The center cores
> > were both rectangular and the one in the south tower the core ran
> > south to north and the one in the north tower ran east to west.
> >
> > It's as though this was reckoned upon when 11 hit in the center and
> > 175 hit off center but however you look on it you must forget the
> > cores acted as resistence to these attacking planes because they
> > didn't. It's a fact that flight 175's target spot was so precise
that
> > it mainly by passed the centre core of the south tower and at
the same
> > time was breaking up as it went through. That too was so
precise. The
> > breaking up was so precise to have caused it to totally disappear
> > inside the building.
> >
> > One slow-mo of 175 shows the tail stop for a moment before it glides
> > into the building. This is because the port wing had penetrated the
> > core along its full length and had come up against a little
resistence
> > [at the same time the front of the fuselage had totally been
> > destroyed] until the wing root could take no more and disentergrated
> > and then been ripped of the fuselage. The starboard wing and the
> > fuselage, from the wings to the rear ended up moving along the east
> > side of the tower and just stopped short of coming full pelt through
> > the corner of the north wall and none of it came bursting
through the
> > east wall.
> >
> > So the south tower, which allowed 175 to enter it so easily didn't
> > want to let it go so easily. You may call that precision flying.
> >
> > The interesting thing is that flight 11 crashed right through
the core
> > and nearly got through to piercing the south wall because it
only had
> > the short width of the core to get through but then the north tower
> > didn't want to give up its intruder so easily either.
> >
> > And the most amazing thing is that both planes took 40 seconds
to come
> > to rest inside the two buildings.
> >
> > That's how it was done. With precision.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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