Wednesday, February 15, 2006

Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Several new videos of second hit on Terrorize-- are all fake?

http://orbwar.com
orbs are well documented.

Rob wrote:
> Not saying anything really...other than the fact that these hovering
> white objects are /clearly/ visable (Many, MANY of them) in this still
> shot, as well as the video this still was taken from.
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent" <alexldent@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't understand how the orbs fit with the plane image. Are you
> > saying they are projecting it?
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" robertjcash@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Orbs. Sorta like these wierd little thingys...
> > >
> > > http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9979/newyork110mr.jpg
> > >
> > > http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/6104/s6my.jpg
> > >


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The Countess: The Secret Cause Of Flame Wars

The Countess: The Secret Cause Of Flame Wars

I know that one of the causes of flame wars is misunderstanding someone's intentions in writing. It's very hard to ascertain someone's tone in writing on blogs, on message boards, and in e-mail. However, Wired reports that misunderstanding tone is a big cause of flame wars. The article focuses on e-mail, but I can see misunderstanding tone being behind many flame wars in other public places on the Internet, including blogs.

Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Fuel vs. Explosion

1) you should ask him if massive explosions in the building could have
given a Richter signal
2) if fuel bombs also could have created the fireball
3) if plane wings are really good at cutting through steel columns--
have him read Holmgren's piece on this
4) ask him if pre-planted cutting charges could have made the plane
wing slices in the WTC
5) finally, why if there were no planes at the Pentagon and
Shanksville, why he thinks there HAD to be planes in NYC


--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> ..please everyone correct or improve me on the wording and details.
> This comes from a debate with pilot Ralph Omholt from the
> "hardevidence"-list:
>
> > Von: "RALPH OMHOLT" <skydrifter@...>
> > An: <hardevidence@...>
> > Betreff: RE: [HardEvidence]Hologram Disinformation - Why bother?
> > Datum: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:33:21 -0800
>
> Ralph,
> sticking to the explosion is perfect for this topic.
>
> The explosion was real, therefore also identical with seismic records.
>
> However i still disagree with you, as also earlier in a private CC,
> that the color of the fireball points on Jet-A fuel.
> We're talking here about JP8.This is a fire fueled by JP 8:
> http://bushsupporter.org/war/pi060702a5.jpg
> http://bushsupporter.org/war/pi060702a4.jpg
>
> According to
> http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=3218
> "in 1991, military and commercial jet fuel was changed from JP4 to
JP8..."
>
> Therefore nothing liquid was shipped into the building.
> There was no exploding kerosene, JP4, 8 or whatsoever.
> They used conventional explosives for this effect.
> If you watch on a monitor an incoming "flying object", then you
know, when
> to 'explode' via button.
>
> Can you also explain the 14-15 US Military Helicopters between time of
> impacts and during and before both collapses? They could have
triggered this
> explosion, as they also did for the collapse (2 of these 14!!)
> (Unfortunately Rick Siegel/911eyewitness.com started filming them
after both
> attacks, but 1 helicopter at TIME of second impact is also visibly
in one
> video, lately again on TV in "i missed flight 93" (A+E)
>
> Also, the explosion of alleged jetfuel would have come too fast
> and 'jet fuel' would also not burn off within 10 seconds, 20 seconds.
>
> The US tested these kind of impacts in Dryden Flight Research in mid80s
> and if you compare these experiments with our videos, you will even
figure
> out another astounding effect.
> http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/HTML/ECN-31808.html
>
> Noise of alleged aircraft is often muted or in one absurde case
louder than
> the impact. In many clips there is no sound of the impact, but from the
> following explosion.
>
> Conclusion 1:
> The explosions at the WTC dissipate too quickly to be burning
hydrocarbon.
> Therefore the video was manipulated.
>
> Facts:
> The secret service guy on the Fairbanks video does not react to the
aircraft
> "behind him", but turns around after the explosion takes place.
> Also this tape had no sound at all. Coincidence?
>
> Fairbanks, a cameraman didnt use his own camera, "someone gave" it
to him,
> according to his own words? Who was someone and why was the sound down?
>
> Fairbanks himself who, let assume he's not part in it, wonders
himself, why
> by looking through his lense, it looked like a hollywood effect.
> Why? Because he used a prepared camera, getting the same signals in real
> time. The camera was then confiscated by the FBI, the film only
shown hours
> or days after the recording-- still no sound but a buttering planc.
>
>

> > Blue screen or holography; why did they require a crane to load the
> > non-existent engine that came out of the "technical illusion" of the
> > second WTC strike??? They picked it up, right where the news videos
> > and/or the hologram/blue-screen illusion had it; quite a trick!
> >
> > Amazing how they got the forward velocity of the burning fuel, just as
> > though a real 767 had hit the towers.
> >
> > More amazing is how they got 9,000 gallons of jet fuel into the office
> > area, just for the 9-11 illusion of an aircraft strike. Thousands of
> > witnesses telling identical stories, with physical evidence to
> > corroborate the accounts; amazing.
> >
> > Then, there is that forward moving damage INTO the two WTC towers
> > Perfect profile of an impacting 767. How did they do that???
> > Blue-screen?
> >
> > Maybe a couple of 767s were actually involved. Anybody got any
guesses?
> >
> > I've always wondered why the real-time news presentation matched the
> > timing on the seismic data - that's a lot of blue-screen trickery
> >
> > Now the Pentagon - there, the 'official' seismic data is sampled eight
> > minutes AFTER the factual 'event.' The WTC strikes are not so plagued.
> >
> > There were no aircraft at the 9-11 Pentagon & Pennsylvania; but
there is
> > no doubt in MY mind that two 767s hit the WTC towers.
> >
> > My two-cents worth.
> >
> >
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> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Fuel vs. Explosion
> Datum: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:25:43 -0000
>

alex,

ralph is aware of holmgren's piece and all our other points.
He used to be also a member of '9/11 science and justice alliance',
but removed himself after 1, 2 years or so.

He's not a rabid opponent, but sticks to his fireball- and pilot expertises.
I think, he even believes the alleged planes had been remote-controlled,
but i'm not sure about that.

I forgot to add to him, that many video timelines also contradict each other
with the starting reaction/delay of this fireball compared with 'entering'
or 'vanishing' aircraft object, but i'm not sure if this will convince him
either.

I think, he never watched any of these aircraft videos.

He's stubborn since months on that.
I also was dragged into this debate at hardevidence, after this group
responded on some of my remarks after the 'retirement' of Russell Pickering.

This group has also Mark Bilk in it, who triggered the debate.
I'm alone in there with my stand. It's a pure pentagon research group and
they tricked me now into this 'off-topic' discussion.

>>>>1) you should ask him if massive explosions in the building could have
given a Richter signal
2) if fuel bombs also could have created the fireball
3) if plane wings are really good at cutting through steel columns--
have him read Holmgren's piece on this
4) ask him if pre-planted cutting charges could have made the plane
wing slices in the WTC
5) finally, why if there were no planes at the Pentagon and
Shanksville, why he thinks there HAD to be planes in NYC

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Fuel vs. Explosion

Ralph is masonic, proudly masonic, and is sticking to the masonic
official story no matter what.
The so-called alleged "hard evidence" list is a haven for irrational
planehugging of all stripes.

Ask him to back up this notion of needing a crane to move a "plane part."
The "plane parts" documented are not that big.
The "plane part" in the Naudet Snuff Film somehow landed under a canopy
and didn't even dent the wastebasket with the Don't Litter sign left
there like a cosmic joke.
Ron Winn posted a piece of mystery debris just 2 days ago.
There is more mystery debris waiting in the background of the first hit
reaction shot . . . even tho the "plane" that supposedly left the debris
wasn't even thought of yet.
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm

I suppose to stake them in their den is the only hope.

Also, send these walking dead over to
http://thewebfairy.com/demolition/demolition.htn
and to
http://fallenhope.com/portfolio.html
for a look at the extent of the devastation.
If there's still any resistance, visit
http://thewebfairy.com/911/h-effect/filingcabinet.htm
to see the filing cabinet squashed down like a basketball, burned
crunchy with unburned bits of torn filefolders inside.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/h-effect
http://www.google.com/search?q=reductio+absurdum

Is the logical technique of making the opponent take his view to it's
logical conclusion where it can be giggled at.

Pilots have to see chemtrails nearly every time they fly, yet they
haven't raised the alarm.
Airliners.net is full of phoney pictures that are allegedly passenger
planes blowing chemtrails.
They are knowingly lying, for reason I cannot comprehend.
Some sort of brainwash universally applies. Marcus Ickes, a brilliant
Flight Simulator artist, claims to be a pilot too.
He has extreme inability to understand that photoshopping something does
NOT make it real.
I betcha Olmholdt believes anything he can imagine is true, and if he
can't imagine it then is false, and trying to change what he can imagine
is viewed as a personal attack.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


alexldent wrote:
> 1) you should ask him if massive explosions in the building could have
>  given a Richter signal
> 2) if fuel bombs also could have created the fireball
> 3) if plane wings are really good at cutting through steel columns--
> have him read Holmgren's piece on this
> 4) ask him if pre-planted cutting charges could have made the plane
> wing slices in the WTC
> 5) finally, why if there were no planes at the Pentagon and
> Shanksville, why he thinks there HAD to be planes in NYC
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
> wrote:
>  
>> ..please everyone correct or improve me on the wording and details.
>> This comes from a debate with pilot Ralph Omholt from the
>> "hardevidence"-list:
>>
>>    
>>> Von: "RALPH OMHOLT" <skydrifter@...>
>>> An: <hardevidence@...>
>>> Betreff: RE: [HardEvidence]Hologram Disinformation - Why bother?
>>> Datum: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:33:21 -0800
>>>      
>> Ralph,
>> sticking to the explosion is perfect for this topic.
>>
>> The explosion was real, therefore also identical with seismic records.
>>
>> However i still disagree with you, as also earlier in a private CC,
>> that the color of the fireball points on Jet-A fuel.
>> We're talking here about JP8.This is a fire fueled by JP 8:
>> http://bushsupporter.org/war/pi060702a5.jpg
>> http://bushsupporter.org/war/pi060702a4.jpg
>>
>> According to
>> http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=3218
>> "in 1991, military and commercial jet fuel was changed from JP4 to
>>    
> JP8..."
>  
>> Therefore nothing liquid was shipped into the building.
>> There was no exploding kerosene, JP4, 8 or whatsoever.
>> They used conventional explosives for this effect.
>> If you watch on a monitor an incoming "flying object", then you
>>    
> know, when
>  
>> to 'explode' via button.
>>
>> Can you also explain the 14-15 US Military Helicopters between time of
>> impacts and during and before both collapses? They could have
>>    
> triggered this
>  
>> explosion, as they also did for the collapse (2 of these 14!!)
>> (Unfortunately Rick Siegel/911eyewitness.com started filming them
>>    
> after both
>  
>> attacks, but 1 helicopter at TIME of second impact is also visibly
>>    
> in one
>  
>> video, lately again on TV in "i missed flight 93" (A+E)
>>
>> Also, the explosion of alleged jetfuel would have come too fast
>> and 'jet fuel' would also not burn off within 10 seconds, 20 seconds.
>>
>> The US tested these kind of impacts in Dryden Flight Research in mid80s
>> and if you compare these experiments with our videos, you will even
>>    
> figure
>  
>> out another astounding effect.
>> http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/HTML/ECN-31808.html
>>
>> Noise of alleged aircraft is often muted or in one absurde case
>>    
> louder than
>  
>> the impact. In many clips there is no sound of the impact, but from the
>> following explosion.
>>
>> Conclusion 1:
>> The explosions at the WTC dissipate too quickly to be burning
>>    
> hydrocarbon.
>  
>> Therefore the video was manipulated.
>>
>> Facts:
>> The secret service guy on the Fairbanks video does not react to the
>>    
> aircraft
>  
>> "behind him", but turns around after the explosion takes place.
>> Also this tape had no sound at all. Coincidence?
>>
>> Fairbanks, a cameraman didnt use his own camera, "someone gave" it
>>    
> to him,
>  
>> according to his own words? Who was someone and why was the sound down?
>>
>> Fairbanks himself who, let assume he's not part in it, wonders
>>    
> himself, why
>  
>> by looking through his lense, it looked like a hollywood effect.
>> Why? Because he used a prepared camera, getting the same signals in real
>> time. The camera was then confiscated by the FBI, the film only
>>    
> shown hours
>  
>> or days after the recording-- still no sound but a buttering planc.
>>
>>
>> 
>>    
>>> Blue screen or holography; why did they require a crane to load the
>>> non-existent engine that came out of the "technical illusion" of the
>>> second WTC strike??? They picked it up, right where the news videos
>>> and/or the hologram/blue-screen illusion had it; quite a trick!
>>>
>>> Amazing how they got the forward velocity of the burning fuel, just as
>>> though a real 767 had hit the towers.
>>>
>>> More amazing is how they got 9,000 gallons of jet fuel into the office
>>> area, just for the 9-11 illusion of an aircraft strike. Thousands of
>>> witnesses telling identical stories, with physical evidence to
>>> corroborate the accounts; amazing.
>>>
>>> Then, there is that forward moving damage INTO the two WTC towers.
>>> Perfect profile of an impacting 767. How did they do that???
>>> Blue-screen?
>>>
>>> Maybe a couple of 767s were actually involved. Anybody got any
>>>      
> guesses?
>  
>>> I've always wondered why the real-time news presentation matched the
>>> timing on the seismic data - that's a lot of blue-screen trickery.
>>>
>>> Now the Pentagon - there, the 'official' seismic data is sampled eight
>>> minutes AFTER the factual 'event.' The WTC strikes are not so plagued.
>>>
>>> There were no aircraft at the 9-11 Pentagon & Pennsylvania; but
>>>      
> there is
>  
>>> no doubt in MY mind that two 767s hit the WTC towers.
>>>
>>> My two-cents worth.
>>>
>>>      
>
>  

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Fuel vs. Explosion
> Datum: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:50:34 -0600
>

thx, good stuff :)

>>>>>>
Ralph is masonic, proudly masonic, and is sticking to the masonic
official story no matter what.
The so-called alleged "hard evidence" list is a haven for irrational
planehugging of all stripes.

Ask him to back up this notion of needing a crane to move a "plane part."
The "plane parts" documented are not that big.
The "plane part" in the Naudet Snuff Film somehow landed under a canopy
and didn't even dent the wastebasket with the Don't Litter sign left
there like a cosmic joke.
Ron Winn posted a piece of mystery debris just 2 days ago.
There is more mystery debris waiting in the background of the first hit
reaction shot . . . even tho the "plane" that supposedly left the debris
wasn't even thought of yet.
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm

I suppose to stake them in their den is the only hope.

Also, send these walking dead over to
http://thewebfairy.com/demolition/demolition.htn
and to
http://fallenhope.com/portfolio.html
for a look at the extent of the devastation.
If there's still any resistance, visit
http://thewebfairy.com/911/h-effect/filingcabinet.htm
to see the filing cabinet squashed down like a basketball, burned
crunchy with unburned bits of torn filefolders inside.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/h-effect
http://www.google.com/search?q=reductio+absurdum

Is the logical technique of making the opponent take his view to it's
logical conclusion where it can be giggled at.

Pilots have to see chemtrails nearly every time they fly, yet they
haven't raised the alarm.
Airliners.net is full of phoney pictures that are allegedly passenger
planes blowing chemtrails.
They are knowingly lying, for reason I cannot comprehend.
Some sort of brainwash universally applies. Marcus Ickes, a brilliant
Flight Simulator artist, claims to be a pilot too.
He has extreme inability to understand that photoshopping something does
NOT make it real.
I betcha Olmholdt believes anything he can imagine is true, and if he
can't imagine it then is false, and trying to change what he can imagine
is viewed as a personal
attack.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

alexldent wrote:
> 1) you should ask him if massive explosions in the building could have
> given a Richter signal
> 2) if fuel bombs also could have created the fireball
> 3) if plane wings are really good at cutting through steel columns--
> have him read Holmgren's piece on this
> 4) ask him if pre-planted cutting charges could have made the plane
> wing slices in the WTC
> 5) finally, why if there were no planes at the Pentagon and
> Shanksville, why he thinks there HAD to be planes in NYC
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
> wrote:
>
>> ..please everyone correct or improve me on the wording and details.
>> This comes from a debate with pilot Ralph Omholt from the
>> "hardevidence"-list:
>>
>>
>>> Von: "RALPH OMHOLT" <skydrifter@...>
>>> An: <hardevidence@...>
>>> Betreff: RE: [HardEvidence]Hologram Disinformation - Why bother?
>>> Datum: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:33:21 -0800
>>>
>> Ralph,
>> sticking to the explosion is perfect for this topic.
>>
>> The explosion was real, therefore also identical with seismic records.
>>
>> However i still disagree with you, as also earlier in a private CC,
>> that the color of the fireball points on Jet-A fuel.
>> We're talking here about JP8.This is a fire fueled by JP 8:
>> http://bushsupporter.org/war/pi060702a5.jpg
>> http://bushsupporter.org/war/pi060702a4.jpg
>>
>> According to
>> http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=3218
>> "in 1991, military and commercial jet fuel was changed from JP4 to
>>
> JP8..."
>
>> Therefore nothing liquid was shipped into the building.
>> There was no exploding kerosene, JP4, 8 or whatsoever.
>> They used conventional explosives for this effect.
>> If you watch on a monitor an incoming "flying object", then you
>>
> know, when
>
>> to 'explode' via button.
>>
>> Can you also explain the 14-15 US Military Helicopters between time of
>> impacts and during and before both collapses? They could have
>>
> triggered this
>
>> explosion, as they also did for the collapse (2 of these 14!!)
>> (Unfortunately Rick Siegel/911eyewitness.com started filming them
>>
> after both
>
>> attacks, but 1 helicopter at TIME of second impact is also visibly
>>
> in one
>
>> video, lately again on TV in "i missed flight 93" (A+E)
>>
>> Also, the explosion of alleged jetfuel would have come too fast
>> and 'jet fuel' would also not burn off within 10 seconds, 20 seconds.
>>
>> The US tested these kind of impacts in Dryden Flight Research in mid80s
>> and if you compare these experiments with our videos, you will even
>>
> figure
>
>> out another astounding effect.
>> http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/HTML/ECN-31808.html
>>
>> Noise of alleged aircraft is often muted or in one absurde case
>>
> louder than
>
>> the impact. In many clips there is no sound of the impact, but from the
>> following explosion.
>>
>> Conclusion 1:
>> The explosions at the WTC dissipate too quickly to be burning
>>
> hydrocarbon.
>
>> Therefore the video was manipulated.
>>
>> Facts:
>> The secret service guy on the Fairbanks video does not react to the
>>
> aircraft
>
>> "behind him", but turns around after the explosion takes place.
>> Also this tape had no sound at all. Coincidence?
>>
>> Fairbanks, a cameraman didnt use his own camera, "someone gave" it
>>
> to him,
>
>> according to his own words? Who was someone and why was the sound down?
>>
>> Fairbanks himself who, let assume he's not part in it, wonders
>>
> himself, why
>
>> by looking through his lense, it looked like a hollywood effect.
>> Why? Because he used a prepared camera, getting the same signals in real
>> time. The camera was then confiscated by the FBI, the film only
>>
> shown hours
>
>> or days after the recording-- still no sound but a buttering planc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Blue screen or holography; why did they require a crane to load the
>>> non-existent engine that came out of the "technical illusion" of the
>>> second WTC strike??? They picked it up, right where the news videos
>>> and/or the hologram/blue-screen illusion had it; quite a trick!
>>>
>>> Amazing how they got the forward velocity of the burning fuel, just as
>>> though a real 767 had hit the towers.
>>>
>>> More amazing is how they got 9,000 gallons of jet fuel into the office
>>> area, just for the 9-11 illusion of an aircraft strike. Thousands of
>>> witnesses telling identical stories, with physical evidence to
>>> corroborate the accounts; amazing.
>>>
>>> Then, there is that forward moving damage INTO the two WTC towers.
>>> Perfect profile of an impacting 767. How did they do that???
>>> Blue-screen?
>>>
>>> Maybe a couple of 767s were actually involved. Anybody got any
>>>
> guesses?
>
>>> I've always wondered why the real-time news presentation matched the
>>> timing on the seismic data - that's a lot of blue-screen trickery.
>>>
>>> Now the Pentagon - there, the 'official' seismic data is sampled eight
>>> minutes AFTER the factual 'event.' The WTC strikes are not so plagued.
>>>
>>> There were no aircraft at the 9-11 Pentagon & Pennsylvania; but
>>>
> there is
>
>>> no doubt in MY mind that two 767s hit the WTC towers.
>>>
>>> My two-cents worth.
>>>
>>>
>
>

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Daniel Okrent (former NYT ombudsman)

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Blogs will win unless newspapers transfer their brand integrity onto the Internet, says ex-NYTimes ombudsmanBy Bill DensmoreFeb 14, 2006, 06:20
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DOWNLOAD AUDIO: 63 min. ; 28MB MP3WILLIAMSTOWN, Mass., Feb. 13 – Blogs will overcome mainstream media as a source of news unless traditional media organizations successfully transfer the integrity of their brands onto the Internet, the former ombudsman of The New York Times says.

Family ownership is the common thread among the three most prestigious newspapers in America, adds Daniel Okrent, the first "public editor" of The Times. Okrent was at Williams College tonight for a public talk after a private dinner with staff of the Williams Record student newspaper and invited guests.

Okrent also said poor news coverage allowed the Iraq war to happen, it’s a “horrible time – financially” for newspapers, and the death of print is happening more quickly than he predicted six years ago.

The three best newspapers in America -– The New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal are each controlled via blocks of stocks owned by families, said Okrent. He acknowledged media criticism of Times Publisher Arthur Sulzberger, saying everyone at the paper knows he has the job because he is the latest generation of its family owners.

But whatever the management failings of Sulzberger or other family owners, said Okrent, these three papers are managed for posterity and quality “rather than another two cents worth of quarterly earnings . . . the family that owns [The Times] takes its mission extremely seriously.”

Press coverage lead to war

In his a 38-minute talk and almost a half hour of questions-and-answers in Griffin Hall, Okrent talked mostly about his experiences at The Times, and a bit about the future of newspapers. He said poor press coverage lead to the Iraq war, because “in a time of war, editors being to wear epaulettes on their shoulder” and The Times were not exceptional in jumping on the bandwagon.

In response to a student’s question, Okrent said he is fearful about the growth of Internet web blogs because of the difficulty in determining their credibility. He said the future of newspaper organizations lies in their ability to be seen as more reliable than blogs. During his 18-month tenure as The Times’ first “public editor,” Okrent said, he was astonished how many times he heard people declare as accepted fact things they had read on a political blog.

“The good news, I think – my fingers are crossed – is if the responsible, serious members of the so-called mainstream media live up to their own standards, when you see something by okrent.com and nytimes.com you are more likely to trust these guys [nytimes.com] because their brand means accuracy and thoroughness and fairness,” said Okrent. “As these brands move onto the web, what’s essential is that those brand names still mean what they mean or even more. If not, then we will not only have reason to fear these blogs – we will be beaten by them.”

In his talk or in response to questions from an audience of about 100 people Okrent made these other points:

· He summarized the columns he wrote while public editor about alleged reporting and editing failures in the aftermath of the 911 tragedy and the leadup to the Iraq invasion. He told a questioner: “The general rolling over on the part of the American press allowed the war to happen. I do believe that is true, and I think the press is extremely chastened by that. I think we all know how bad it was.”
· “It’s a horrible time for the newspaper industry – financially. It is less horrible for The New York Times because the paper’s readership base has broaden way beyond New York City and the paper’s management has realized that its future is on the web.

· Investigative journalism has declined as a form, “because it is frightfully expensive to do,” he told another questioner, because it requires detachment of teams of reporters for a year or occasionally two years at a time. “There are very few newspapers that can afford to do that . . . and the TV networks don’t feel they are rewarded when they do it.”

· Okrent said he predicted to an audience of graduate journalism students at Columbia University in 1999 that newspapers and books would fade out during their lifetime. “It’s happening faster than I thought,” he told the Williams crowd. “I think that it absolutely is going to happen.” He said this is because technological advances will produce “something that we can put in our poket that will feel like a piece of newspaper and will be receiving digital signals.” The result, the said, will be savings on ink, paper and delivery that will be “put in the pocket of the owners, or of readers, or both.”

Okrent, who lives in New York City and on Cape Cod, is beginning a fellowship at the Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard University, where he will be studying the role of ombudsmen and newspaper influence on public opinion in the 1920s.

-----------------------------------------------
Author: Bill Densmore, densmore@mediagiraffe.org
CONFERENCE: "Democracy and Independence: Sharing News and Politics in a Connected World" -- June 29-July 1, 2006, University of Massachusetts Amherst. VIEW PROGRAM.

[911InsideJobbers] Re: Several new videos of second hit on Terrorize-- are all fake?

I understand. Video manipulation is probably a much better term than
fake.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: "Rob" <robertjcash@...>
> > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Several new videos of second hit on
> > Terrorize-- are all fake?
> > Datum: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:19:29 -0000
> >
>
>
> be careful. Using the word "fake" is confusing the issue.
> If rendered productions are used, they're as 'real' as the broadcast.
>
> It's about media deception we're generally talking.
> They used bluescreen tech for this deception, this is a 'real process'.
>
> joe six pack-no planer would use occasionally use
> the word fakery (what we're also doing among us), but if we are precise:
> only his view of the reality was faked-manipulated instead.
>
> Or better they used a replacement of the reality.
>
>
> 2nd step, this email here:
> If a product is re-altered after the fact, it's like debating about
a remix
> of a cover-version of a dance tune.
>
> i know that word debating sounds like harrassment, but that is
exactly what
> can be used against this research.
>
> Staging is not faking, and remodelling a "fake" (slang) doesn't make the
> original less fake (slang), but an original, first product.
>
>
> If i'm sounding too bizarre, please help out with the better
language :)
>
>
>
> >>>>Orbs. Sorta like these wierd little thingys...
>
> http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9979/newyork110mr.jpg
>
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By JAMES ROSEN, McClatchy Washington BureauPublished 6:36 pm PST Tuesday, February 14, 2006WASHINGTON (SH) - Military and intelligence officers told spellbound lawmakers Tuesday that their careers had been ruined by superiors because they refused to lie about Able Danger, Abu Ghraib and other national security controversies.
Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, wearing a crisp olive Army uniform with the Bronze Star and other awards, delivered his first public testimony about his central role in Able Danger, a Pentagon computer data-mining program set up long before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to infiltrate the al-Qaeda terrorist network.
Shaffer told a House Government Reform subcommittee that he and other intelligence officers and contractors working on the top-secret program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Mohammed Atta, ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks, but were prevented from passing their findings to the FBI.
"I became a whistleblower not out of choice, but out of necessity," Shaffer said. "Many of us have a personal commitment to ... going forward to expose the truth and wrongdoing of government officials who - before and after the 9/11 attacks - failed to do their job."
Shaffer contradicted recent statements by Philip Zelikow, former executive director of the Sept. 11 commission, who denied having met with Shaffer and other Able Danger operatives in Afghanistan in October 2003.
"I did meet with him," Shaffer said. "I have the business card he gave me. I find it hard to believe that he could not remember meeting me."
The commission set up by Congress to probe the Sept. 11 attacks didn't mention the Able Danger project on al Qaeda in its final report in July 2004.
When former Able Danger operatives began to talk with reporters and lawmakers about the program last year, the commission's chairman and vice chairman, former New Jersey Gov. Thomas Kean and former Rep. Lee Hamilton, released a statement saying the panel had looked into the work of Able Danger and found it "historically insignificant."
Shafer was to testify today (Wednesday) at a separate House Armed Services subcommittee hearing devoted to Able Danger.
Spc. Samuel Provance, also dressed in Army green, said he was demoted and humiliated after telling a general investigating the Abu Ghraib scandal that senior officers had covered up the full extent of abuse during interrogations of detainees at the U.S. military prison in Iraq.
"Young soldiers were scapegoated while superiors misrepresented what had happened and tried to misdirect attention away from what was really going on," Provance said. "I considered all of this conduct to be dishonorable and inconsistent with the traditions of the Army. I was ashamed and embarrassed to be associated with it."
The Abu Ghraib interrogations caused an international uproar in 2004 after the release of photographs of Iraqi prisoners in sexual and other degrading positions.
Provance made a new allegation about the Abu Ghraib controversy, saying that U.S. forces had captured the 16-year-old son of an Iraqi general under Saddam Hussein, Hamid Zabar, to pressure the general into providing information.
"I was extremely uncomfortable about the way General Zabar had been treated, but particularly the fact that his son had been captured and used in this way," Provance said. "It struck me as morally reprehensible, and I could not understand why our command was doing it."
Rep. Christopher Shays, a Connecticut Republican and chairman of the national security subcommittee that held the hearing, told Provance: "It takes a tremendous amount of courage for someone of your rank to tell a general what they may not want to hear."
Asked what his current military duties are, the former computer specialist replied," The only thing I've been doing since being demoted is picking up trash and pulling guard duty."
Russell Tice, a former National Security Agency analyst who was a New York Times source for its reporting on domestic wiretapping, told of having been classified as mentally ill and then fired in connection with an earlier episode at the espionage agency.
Tice said he would have to testify in closed hearings about the details of the eavesdropping program, which President Bush authorized soon after the Sept. 11 attacks. But under questioning by lawmakers, Tice suggested that other NSA programs also raised concerns for him.
"Some of the programs that I worked on I believe treaded on illegalities and, I believe, unconstitutional activity," Tice said.
In one of the hearing's most dramatic moments, Tice read aloud the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution, which protects Americans against "unreasonable searches and seizures" without a court warrant. Tice also read an NSA policy that limits the signals agency to monitoring foreign communications.
"As intelligence officers, we take an oath and swear to protect the Constitution," Tice said.
Michael German, a veteran FBI agent, said he was punished after reporting his bosses in Tampa, Fla., for having altered documents in a counter-terrorism investigation.
"They produced false documents and literally took Whiteout to change official records," German said.
Richard Levernier said the Energy Department pulled his security clearance after he complained that the agency was glossing over security problems at nuclear weapons sites.
"These agencies are out of control," said Rep. Curt Weldon, a Pennsylvania Republican. "If we don't take action we're all in trouble."
Shays said he convened the hearing because military and intelligence employees don't have the same whistleblower protections the government affords other federal workers or even employees of private firms.
"Whistleblowers in critical national security positions are vulnerable to unique forms of retaliation," Shays said. "There is nothing top secret about gross waste or the abuse of power."
Rep. John Duncan, a Tennessee Republican, criticized Defense Department officials for directing "trumped-up charges" against Shaffer. Duncan ridiculed the Pentagon for having accused the decorated intelligence officer of misusing small amounts of money while the government was wasting billions of dollars on rebuilding Iraq.
"If they really wanted to go after me, I had millions of dollars of equipment I was responsible for," Shaffer said.
After he began speaking out about Able Danger, Shaffer said, the Pentagon leaked personal information about him, including allegedly inflated expense reports for $67 in extra phone charges. Shaffer said the charges were to cover calls transferred from his work phone to his cell phone on weekends, so that he could be available at all times.
As the overflow hearing room grew silent, Weldon asked Shaffer to respond to separate Pentagon allegations that the colonel had been romantically involved with one of his aides.
"Have you ever had an affair with anyone on my staff, male or female?" Weldon asked.
"No, sir, but that was what DIA (the Defense Intelligence Agency) put out," Shaffer replied.

Re: [911InsideJobbers] Frank Hoogerbeets analyses 911EyeWitness

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
> An: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Frank Hoogerbeets analyses 911EyeWitness
> Datum: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:28:46 -0800

i'm not in contact with this guy, i just found this article yesterday.
He apparently comes from netherlands, contact@ditrianum.org

If he refers to the pre-collapse recordings of additional explosions and
falsely called them "impacts", you are right by correcting him.

Rick Siegel also didn't label it like that.
Possibly mislabeled by Hoogerbeets.

> Nico, could you please tell him to correct the seismic records labeled
> "impacts" shown in red?
>
> What was recorded there were basement explosions, and I think probably
> deliberately mis-labelled with intent to deceive as "impacts".
>
> There's no way above ground impacts could have been recorded even a mile
> away, let alone 20 miles away. I don't even think anything was felt from
> the impact above where Rodrigues was standing in the basements. He felt
the
> explosions BELOW him, not above.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nico Haupt
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:46 PM
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Frank Hoogerbeets analyses 911EyeWitness
>
>
> ...please ignore if already posted. (i didn't read it yet, f.y.i)
>
>
> Scientific Evidence that Official 9/11 Story is a Lie
> http://www.ditrianum.org/Artikelen/artikel33en.htm
> written by Frank Hoogerbeets
> published on February 14 2006
>
> 13 februari 2006
>
> Pretty soon after the events of 9/11, there where people who rose
> serious
> questions about the official story of 9/11. Now, four and a half years
> later, the evidence that this story is a lie, is overwhelming. Question
> is,
> what are we going to do about it? Are we going to sit and leave it for
> what
> it is, allowing the perpetrators to continue their illegal operations?
> Where
> do you think that would lead to? What will happen with our democracy if
> we
> allow these practices? And maybe the biggest question that we might ask
> ourselves is: "Why is it that we still allow criminals to lead our
> country
> and more and more determine our lifes?" People of this world, please
> think
> about what you allow this world to become if you allow the present
> course of
> actions taken by leaders who seek nothing else but power and control
> over
> others and eventually total world domination!
>
> Some may still think that the official story is true, because they
> simply
> cannot believe that our leaders would be capable of doing such terrible
> crimes against their people. Well, if you are one of those who live in
> such
> emotional fields that you simply cannot bear the truth that your leaders
> would be capable of doing these things despite the scientific evidence
> that
> they are, then please don't read this any further, for you wouldn't
> accept
> any of this anyway. Emotions can and do shut down one's ability to think
> clearly and to examin the facts with a clear mind. Our leaders and
> indeed
> our corporate networks know this and use it to their advantage to gain
> control over you. Look what has happened since 9/11, the patroit act,
> the
> department of home and security, Afghanistan, Iraq, the American
> government
> spying on its own people, and even the constitution being questioned!
> Are
> you really prepared to give up your freedom in order to be protected
> from so
> called "terrorism"? Is our country really any saver than it was before
> 9/11?
> Face it people, YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT.
>
> Apart from the wild stories that flow over the internet and the claims
> by
> our government that these are all conspiracy theories, there certainly
> is
> scientific evidence provided by scientists and students who conducted
> their
> own research and have proven beyond doubt that the official story of
> what
> happened on 9/11 is a lie. I will provide some very important facts that
> will tell us an entirely different story when viewed from the laws of
> physics and the laws of nature as we know them. What I will show you
> here
> comes from the documentary "9/11 Eyewitness" and in case you aren't able
> to
> get that documentary yourself, which you should really try, you can read
> the
> evidence presented in this article...
>
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>
> I don't understand how the orbs fit with the plane image. Are you
> saying they are projecting it?
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <robertjcash@...> wrote:
> >
> > Orbs. Sorta like these wierd little thingys...
> >
> > http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9979/newyork110mr.jpg
> >
> > http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/6104/s6my.jpg
> >
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, rcu@ wrote:
> > >
> > > > Frankly the best explanation would seem to be a hologram-cloaked
> > > > missile. But most people seem to have discarded this idea.
> > >
> > > I'm one of the few remaining adherents to that theory.
> > > However, I recently admit that at least some 2nd Hit vids are
> > > definite cartoons.
> > > At the same time I am also definite that some authentic vids exist
> of
> > > truly exotic optical effects in the NYC sky that morning. This one
> > > snippet from the Naudet-FDNY Snuff Film shows
> > > an orb cloaking (Frame 158)
> > > shadows cast toward sun (Frames 143-154 onto side of white truck)
> > > shadows comprised of white light (Frames 168-188 onto 2nd bldg from
> > left)
> > > vapor/exhaust/droplet trails behind the orb (160-180, esp. 168-174)
> > > http://tinyurl.com/63zle
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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[911InsideJobbers] Such a Dang Shame


Gee Shucks! Too bad they couldn't've waited till Monday to take this pic, huh? The guy from the Netherlands wanted to see a big group of people, but I guess that the NYC truth folks must've forgotten all about the party at GZ Monday morning, Feb 20, Prez. Day.... Guess it just slipped their minds???

SATURDAY AT GROUND ZERO

We're getting more media attention! A news producer from a Netherlands TV station wants to film us at Ground Zero. However, he says that to give the right impression, he wants to see a big group of people there. I told him, sure, no problem. So this coming Saturday lets get 40-50 people there. If the Falun Gong people can create a strong street presence and be seen by everybody, shouldn't we? Be there no later than 1 PM. As always, the weather has to be clear and temperature no lower than 25 degrees. Just think, we'll be helping to educate a European country about the reality of 9/11, the military agenda the attacks enabled, and the whole range of consequences we've been subjected to.



news@list.ny911truth.org wrote:
Hi folks,

We apologize to anyone who didn't get word that yesterday's event at St. Marks Church was postponed due to the blizzard. I know most did. We'll resume next Sunday.

STRATEGY SESSION

We'll meet Wed., 7 PM, at the deli at 13th St. and 5th Avenue in the upstairs level. We'll continue working on new visual displays. We'll put finishing touches in place for the legislative action campaign. We'll work on our 2 minute presentation, basic talking points, and how to deal with challenges.

ABLE DANGER HEARING

After a few months of waiting, the news is out that the Able Danger Hearing will happen on Wednesday at

http://www.abledangerblog.com/

Lou Dobbs, on CNN at 6 PM, gave Able Danger regular coverage in December. He'll have Curt Weldon on Wed. evening, and more coverage Thurs. and Fri.

If we had a week's notice we could have organized a group to go down. However, Kyle Hence will be there and hopefully some local DC folks. If anybody else can go, by all means get there. Here's a message from Curt Weldon who has convened the hearings which contains details.

The following message was sent out today to those who have contacted Weldon's office regarding Able Danger:

Thank you for taking the time over the past few months to contact me regarding the Able Danger - a Department of Defense planning effort prior to 9/11 tasked to identify and target the linkages and relationships of Al-Qaeda worldwide. Your voice has played a crucial role in getting 248 Members of Congress to ask for Congressional Hearings. I wanted to update you about the progress that has been made on Able Danger with your help.

First, I would like to thank the House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter for his leadership in pursuing Able Danger hearings, as well as Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England for his support on behalf of the Pentagon.

Following a long congressional recess where staff was busy preparing for this hearing, I am pleased to announce that on Wednesday, 15 February 2006 at 2:30 p.m. in 2118 Rayburn House Office Building, the House Armed Services Strategic Forces and Terrorism, Unconventional Threats and Capabilities Subcommittees have tentatively scheduled a joint hearing for open and closed testimony on the Able Danger effort. Witnesses have not yet been scheduled as interviews are ongoing. A complete list of witnesses should be available by close of business on Monday, February 13, 2006.

Thank you for your ongoing interest. I would ask that you communicate with your Member of Congress and express how important Able Danger hearings are and thank them for their support. I will continue to keep you updated as hearings progress.

Thank you


Curt Weldon

MEMBER OF CONGRESS

7th District of Pennsylvania


SATURDAY AT GROUND ZERO

We're getting more media attention! A news producer from a Netherlands TV station wants to film us at Ground Zero. However, he says that to give the right impression, he wants to see a big group of people there. I told him, sure, no problem. So this coming Saturday lets get 40-50 people there. If the Falun Gong people can create a strong street presence and be seen by everybody, shouldn't we? Be there no later than 1 PM. As always, the weather has to be clear and temperature no lower than 25 degrees. Just think, we'll be helping to educate a European country about the reality of 9/11, the military agenda the attacks enabled, and the whole range of consequences we've been subjected to.

BLOG BRIGADE

Is there anyone out there who is heaving into blogging? We're looking for people who visit and post to blogs to create our own 9/11 Blog Brigade. This will be an important and effective outreach group that will help us "become the media". You would cover 5 blogs and post breaking 9/11 related news. I'll bet at least a few of you are doing this already. So get in touch ASAP and we'll get organized.

As a reminder, to correspond please contact me directly at jazzyday@earthlink.net. Do not mail to this list, which is just for announcements.

Truth will prevail,

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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Frank Hoogerbeets analyses 911EyeWitness

Nico, could you please tell him to correct the seismic records labeled "impacts" shown in red?
 
What was recorded there were basement explosions, and I think probably deliberately mis-labelled with intent to deceive  as "impacts".  
 
There's no way above ground impacts could have been recorded even a mile away, let alone 20 miles away.  I don't even think anything was felt from the impact above where Rodrigues was standing in the basements.  He felt the explosions BELOW him, not above.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Nico Haupt
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:46 PM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Frank Hoogerbeets analyses 911EyeWitness

...please ignore if already posted. (i didn't read it yet, f.y.i)


Scientific Evidence that Official 9/11 Story is a Lie
http://www.ditrianum.org/Artikelen/artikel33en.htm
written by Frank Hoogerbeets
published on February 14 2006

13 februari 2006

Pretty soon after the events of 9/11, there where people who rose serious
questions about the official story of 9/11. Now, four and a half years
later, the evidence that this story is a lie, is overwhelming. Question is,
what are we going to do about it? Are we going to sit and leave it for what
it is, allowing the perpetrators to continue their illegal operations? Where
do you think that would lead to? What will happen with our democracy if we
allow these practices? And maybe the biggest question that we might ask
ourselves is: "Why is it that we still allow criminals to lead our country
and more and more determine our lifes?" People of this world, please think
about what you allow this world to become if you allow the present course of
actions taken by leaders who seek nothing else but power and control over
others and eventually total world domination!

Some may still think that the official story is true, because they simply
cannot believe that our leaders would be capable of doing such terrible
crimes against their people. Well, if you are one of those who live in such
emotional fields that you simply cannot bear the truth that your leaders
would be capable of doing these things despite the scientific evidence that
they are, then please don't read this any further, for you wouldn't accept
any of this anyway. Emotions can and do shut down one's ability to think
clearly and to examin the facts with a clear mind. Our leaders and indeed
our corporate networks know this and use it to their advantage to gain
control over you. Look what has happened since 9/11, the patroit act, the
department of home and security, Afghanistan, Iraq, the American government
spying on its own people, and even the constitution being questioned! Are
you really prepared to give up your freedom in order to be protected from so
called "terrorism"? Is our country really any saver than it was before 9/11?
Face it people, YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT.

Apart from the wild stories that flow over the internet and the claims by
our government that these are all conspiracy theories, there certainly is
scientific evidence provided by scientists and students who conducted their
own research and have proven beyond doubt that the official story of what
happened on 9/11 is a lie. I will provide some very important facts that
will tell us an entirely different story when viewed from the laws of
physics and the laws of nature as we know them. What I will show you here
comes from the documentary "9/11 Eyewitness" and in case you aren't able to
get that documentary yourself, which you should really try, you can read the
evidence presented in this article...


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I don't understand how the orbs fit with the plane image.  Are you
saying they are projecting it?

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <robertjcash@...> wrote:
>
> Orbs. Sorta like these wierd little thingys...
>
> http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9979/newyork110mr.jpg
>
> http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/6104/s6my.jpg
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, rcu@ wrote:
> >
> > > Frankly the best explanation would seem to be a hologram-cloaked
> > > missile.  But most people seem to have discarded this idea.
> >
> > I'm one of the few remaining adherents to that theory.
> > However, I recently admit that at least some 2nd Hit vids are
> > definite cartoons.
> > At the same time I am also definite that some authentic vids exist of
> > truly exotic optical effects in the NYC sky that morning.  This one
> > snippet from the Naudet-FDNY Snuff Film shows
> > an orb cloaking (Frame 158)
> > shadows cast toward sun (Frames 143-154 onto side of white truck)
> > shadows comprised of white light (Frames 168-188 onto 2nd bldg from
> left)
> > vapor/exhaust/droplet trails behind the orb (160-180, esp. 168-174)
> > http://tinyurl.com/63zle
> >
>






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[911InsideJobbers] Re: Several new videos of second hit on Terrorize-- are all fake?

I think you mixed up the messages Nico...It wasn't me who used the word
fake. ;-)

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: "Rob" robertjcash@...
> > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Several new videos of second hit on
> > Terrorize-- are all fake?
> > Datum: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:19:29 -0000
> >
>
>
> be careful. Using the word "fake" is confusing the issue.
> If rendered productions are used, they're as 'real' as the broadcast.
>
> It's about media deception we're generally talking.
> They used bluescreen tech for this deception, this is a 'real
process'.
>
> joe six pack-no planer would use occasionally use
> the word fakery (what we're also doing among us), but if we are
precise:
> only his view of the reality was faked-manipulated instead.
>
> Or better they used a replacement of the reality.
>
>
> 2nd step, this email here:
> If a product is re-altered after the fact, it's like debating about a
remix
> of a cover-version of a dance tune.
>
> i know that word debating sounds like harrassment, but that is exactly
what
> can be used against this research.
>
> Staging is not faking, and remodelling a "fake" (slang) doesn't make
the
> original less fake (slang), but an original, first product.
>
>
> If i'm sounding too bizarre, please help out with the better language
:)
>
>
>
> >>>>Orbs. Sorta like these wierd little thingys...
>
> http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9979/newyork110mr.jpg
>
> http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/6104/s6my.jpg<<<
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Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Several new videos of second hit on Terrorize-- are all fake?

Orbs. Sorta like these wierd little thingys...

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9979/newyork110mr.jpg

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/6104/s6my.jpg


--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, rcu@... wrote:
>
> > Frankly the best explanation would seem to be a hologram-cloaked
> > missile.  But most people seem to have discarded this idea.
>
> I'm one of the few remaining adherents to that theory.
> However, I recently admit that at least some 2nd Hit vids are
> definite cartoons.
> At the same time I am also definite that some authentic vids exist of
> truly exotic optical effects in the NYC sky that morning.  This one
> snippet from the Naudet-FDNY Snuff Film shows
> an orb cloaking (Frame 158)
> shadows cast toward sun (Frames 143-154 onto side of white truck)
> shadows comprised of white light (Frames 168-188 onto 2nd bldg from
left)
> vapor/exhaust/droplet trails behind the orb (160-180, esp. 168-174)
> http://tinyurl.com/63zle
>




> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Rob" <robertjcash@hotmail.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Several new videos of second hit on
> Terrorize-- are all fake?
> Datum: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:19:29 -0000
>

be careful. Using the word "fake" is confusing the issue.
If rendered productions are used, they're as 'real' as the broadcast.

It's about media deception we're generally talking.
They used bluescreen tech for this deception, this is a 'real process'.

joe six pack-no planer would use occasionally use
the word fakery (what we're also doing among us), but if we are precise:
only his view of the reality was faked-manipulated instead.

Or better they used a replacement of the reality.

2nd step, this email here:
If a product is re-altered after the fact, it's like debating about a remix
of a cover-version of a dance tune.

i know that word debating sounds like harrassment, but that is exactly what
can be used against this research.

Staging is not faking, and remodelling a "fake" (slang) doesn't make the
original less fake (slang), but an original, first product.

If i'm sounding too bizarre, please help out with the better language :)

>>>>Orbs. Sorta like these wierd little thingys...

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9979/newyork110mr.jpg

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/6104/s6my.jpg<<<

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[911InsideJobbers] Cartoon Riot Updates

...more warmup for ww4/5:

Leunig denies cartoon
entry
http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,18142863%255E421,00.html
14feb06 CARTOONIST Michael Leunig has denied entering cartoons deemed
"inappropriate" for publication in Australia in a contest launched in Iran,
saying he has been "set up".

Iran demands apology over German
cartoon
http://news.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=/0-0&fp=43f2aac5cd1958ce&ei=8r7yQ8b3AcaWaKu6gOcL&url=http%3A//www.guardian.co.uk/cartoonprotests/story/0%2C%2C1710020%2C00.html&cid=1104238229
Guardian Unlimited, UK -2 hours ago

Analysis: Muslims want anti-cartoon law
United Press International - 12 hours
ago
http://news.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=/2-0&fp=43f2aac5cd1958ce&ei=8r7yQ8b3AcaWaKu6gOcL&url=http%3A//www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php%3FStoryID%3D20060214-064041-1125r&cid=1104281835

Protesters Hurl Petrol Bombs at UK Embassy in Iran
Epoch Times, NY - 13 hours
ago
http://news.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=/0-0&fp=43f208780b19eac6&ei=wr_yQ7biAbjqaIeJtdEB&url=http%3A//english.epochtimes.com/news/6-2-14/38162.html&cid=1104290689
Iranians burn an effigy during a protest in Tehran, Iran ... have also taken
place outside the Tehran embassies of Denmark, Norway, Austria, France and
Germany. ...

Iranians stone German
embassy
http://news.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=/3-0&fp=43f208780b19eac6&ei=wr_yQ7biAbjqaIeJtdEB&url=http%3A//www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp%3FNewsCode%3D40520%26NewsKind%3DCurrent%2520Affairs&cid=1104304529
IranMania News, Iran - 15 hours ago

Cartoon Protests Turn Violent in Pakistan
Muslim American Society, VA 6 hours
ago
http://news.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=/4-0&fp=43f208780b19eac6&ei=wr_yQ7biAbjqaIeJtdEB&url=http%3A//www.masnet.org/news.asp%3Fid%3D3192&cid=0
... in Tehran, where demonstrators chanted "Death to Germany.

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BELLACIAO - Communicating 911 Truth In Middle America - Jonathon Vreeland - Collective Bellaciao

BELLACIAO - Communicating 911 Truth In Middle America - Jonathon Vreeland - Collective Bellaciao

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What are those activists talking about? Everyone has been told what to think about September 11th, 2001. But what escaped widespread notice is that no evidence was presented to support the official story. Very short, edited clips of an airplane hitting the North Tower were played, and still are to this day. The videos of explosions or of collapsing buildings are never repeated. Emotions were intentionally whipped up to prevent discussion. Some mug shots were shown on television and that was it.
Some evidence has emerged in well known, foreign news sources though. As early as late September 2001 no less than the BBC reported that some of the accused high-jackers had been found alive in the Middle East(1). This story never got repeated in any American media, conservative or liberal, television, print or internet. This information was confirmed by other foreign news services and even more accused suicide bombers were found to be alive. Eventually the FBI admitted in a press release that they had no idea who the high-jackers really were. The press release was never printed in American media and we still hear the same names referred to as "the high-jackers" almost daily. The media blackout of information about September 11th perfectly illustrates the fraudulent nature of liberal/conservative or Republican/Democrat divisions. American media has tightly censored any 9/11 evidence regardless of overt political affiliation.
If the US Government’s explanation of what happened that day is actually examined it can be seen to be intentional lies. David Ray Griffin did the best job of this in his book, "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions And Distortions" (2) in which he documented over 500 fallacies contained in the official report. But even ignoring the committee that the victim’s families forced to be held, there are holes in the official explanation that can be intuitively seen by anyone. Watch the collapse of 7 World Trade Center, which wasn’t hit by any airplane, and it’s obviously a controlled demolition(3). Notice that the janitorial shed on the roof of WTC 7 collapses first and that the collapsing building displays a "kink" in the middle which is used in demolitions to bring the outer walls inward.
It is worth noting that having been taken in by the shabby government/media lies is nothing of which to be ashamed. Even eyewitnesses took time to realize what they had seen, in my case about a year. As 2006 progresses there is no need to do more research to see who was behind the attacks of September 11th. The evidence has already been gathered and preserved by volunteer researchers, it just remains to be publicized and acted upon. Which is where those activists come in...
- Truth Event Case Study

For five months in 2005 the Kraftbrau Brewery in Kalamazoo Michigan hosted various films on the topic of 9/11 Truth. These events were very warmly received and often people would approach me afterwards wanting to get involved. This article is meant to provide some ideas for people motivated to help spread truthful information about the attacks of September 11th, 2001. As a case study let’s look at those film screenings. The 9/11 Truth Film Club of Kalamazoo had well attended events considering the genre. The last evening (Nov. 1st) 25 people were counted in attendance at one time. Some screenings were even attended by local politicians running for city council. Of course events like this do not happen in a vacuum.
- Venue Many 911 deprogrammers only have campus video rooms to work with. While this can work, the atmosphere doesn’t help draw a crowd. In my opinion the best setting for a 911 Truth film screening is a locally owned business, even a brewery. Look for a place that already has a nice atmosphere established. The Kraftbrau Brewery had all the movie treats, 25 cent popcorn, a band-worthy sound system and a large screen. These things make a difference, especially for building repeat attendance and good word-of-mouth reviews.
Other widely available, appropriate venues are religious centers; churches, temples, mosques, etc. If you are already a member of a religion this should certainly be explored. In New York City the 911 Truth group has been able to draw standing-room-only crowds to St. Mark’s Church(4). For inspiration on how religion can relate to 911 Truth look at www.mujca.org, the Muslim, Jewish, Christian Alliance for Truth.
To find a decent venue in whatever area you are in, start attending free local screenings on any topic. Also start meeting/talking with local peace groups. In Kalamazoo the weekly, sunday Stand Out For Peace hosted by K.N.O.W.(5) is a great place get advice from activists that have organized events. In most American cities there is an active and open movement that will help you organize events aimed at fostering peaceful change.
- Promoting Of equal importance, maybe more, as the location is what’s done to get the event noticed. The film screenings at the Kraftbrau were first announced at the weekly Stand Out for Peace. Announcing them over a bullhorn on the steps of the local Federal Courthouse somehow seemed appropriate. Following that a small 4.25" x 5.5" flyer was created, copied and posted at coffee shops around town. The cost of the b&w copies never exceeded five dollars.
About seven to five days before the screening, small stacks were given to a few activists for posting and handing out. Personally handing someone a flyer is far more likely to get attendance than just posting on a wall. Putting the date, time, location and a couple internet addresses on them makes for handy bookmarks. Including a provocative idea on the the flyer, like "false-flag terrorism", "controlled demolition" or "inside job" is a good idea too. That way, even just reading a flyer will be groundbreaking for some people.
Flyer-ing isn’t as straight forward as might be thought. They first go up by, at least, the friday before the event, which was tuesdays for the Kraftbrau screenings. Leave enough copies for people to take one and add more if they disappear over the weekend. If you really want to put in some effort, try putting them under windshield wipers on some busy afternoon around city hall. Also carry some around at all times to hand out to people you know that might be interested.
Attend special events and hand out flyers. Call in to local radio shows. Plan far enough ahead and a cool venue will even put your 911 Truth event on their monthly schedule. Also, getting on campus calendars would be worthwhile and can be done by non-students too. Just remember, of the people that say they’re coming, about ten to fifteen percent showing up is normal for the average event.
- Screening Night It’s best to have a video running before the main feature’s showtime. It helps the atmosphere get going and gives an opportunity to replay previous features. Never show anything that you haven’t previewed. Never charge admission. And always allow for a question and answer period afterwards. That’s about it for film screenings - mostly promotions and time spent duplicating DVDs.
Handing out free DVDs is as important as the screening itself. It gives people information to take home that can be reviewed. For people new to the topic there is a lot of information to absorb. Also, they will share the videos with their families and friends. Both "Loose Change" and "Painful Deceptions" are exceptional material because copies of them can legally be handed out. At the November event over 20 DVD copies of these two were handed out (costing less than $20).
There are other fun ways to get visibility for 911 Truth but these days the focus should be on effectiveness and audience size. Nothing beats videos for effectiveness. If you can get your relatives to sit and watch a DVD there is a far better chance of opening their eyes than after years of conversation. One night an audience responded to a question about the US Government carrying out the September 11th attacks with 50% saying yes. And for someone new to the topic, it usually takes some time to figure things out that far.
- Follow Up Publicity Lastly, getting any press coverage for your event gives your message additional visibility. This is just as important as the event itself. For regularly occurring events, follow up publicity always helps to bring in new people. Just making people aware of the existence of a 911 Truth movement is at least half the battle.
The easiest way to get this started is by taking pictures (remember to smile) and writing up a "report back". These can then be posted on the Indymedia network’s open newswire or submitted to other websites. Once it is posted, send out notices to everybody possible. It is surprising how widely a well written, even tempered write up can get noticed and distributed. Be prepared for censorship, even in volunteer organizations that profess "free speech", but don’t stop trying.
- Other Useful Methods The most effective way, by far, to deprogram people is with video presentations. Presenting videos in a private setting (like your home) is probably the most popular way to make people aware. It was reported immediately last summer that recipients of the free DVD give-aways had great success getting their family members to watch and absorb the information.
Screening at home is easy and effective but groups of any kind can provide support. Any group that you already belong to can be a good audience. One of the volunteers in New York 911 Truth happens to be a community organizer and an auxilliary NYPD. As long ago as fall ’04 she arranged to have precincts on the upper west side showing 911 Truth films to their on-duty officers. There is no group for which these films are inappropriate.
Peaceful demonstrations are fun occasions to get the word out too. Every demonstration is an opportunity to bring your own message to multiple audiences. The people passing by will see your sign as part of the larger peace movement. Other demonstrators are showing that they are ready to take action simply by being there. These people are more likely to come to a screening. Some will even be interested in helping to distribute information. This is the most fun audience to reach because they are already active.
These are not meant to be the only ways either, but suggestions of things that work. The simplest way to distribute information is posting 8.5x11" info sheets in your neighborhood. Sitting down and watching peoples reaction to your postings can be educational too. Whatever ways you choose to speak out, it is a learning and confidence building process.
- Why Bother In 2004 many 9/11 Truth activists began asking, "Truth to what end?". Partly because once we’ve realized some level of truth about 9/11 we go back, re-examine all of history, and find out that state sponsored terrorism was even employed in Roman times. Also there’s the sometimes overwhelming difficulty of deprogramming generations of social conditioning based on lies. It can get demoralizing.
But there are good reasons to be encouraged. Life and the political landscape is changing more swiftly now than ever. The old media are losing their ability to fabricate public opinion. So many completely insane things are happening right now that people are becoming open to looking at evidence for themselves, and not just taking the word of authority. That’s really all a 911 truth activist needs to do: present evidence. The positive thirst for truth in American culture is obvious to anyone that goes out and engages the public.
There are different reasons to become a 911 truth activist. One goal is to spur an open, public (non-government) investigation. Another reason is to provide visible public support that will encourage whistle-blowers with even more information to come forward. As the back up to all others there is also the court of public opinion. After all, how large a percentage of the American population can know that our government is bombing our cities to promote war and let it stand?
David Ray Griffin pointed out that part of the solution to all the problems we face today is finding new ways to communicate. Just by being a channel for honest information, the truth activist is being part of the solution. Barry Zwicker states a good reason at the end of his video too. If the information in his film, "The Great Deception", helps someone spot false-flag terrorism the next time there’s a bombing then the time spent will have been worth while.
- Conclusion To this day, the official fable of September 11th is sickeningly used by US corporate media and the current cabal to distract and hypnotize the public. This over indulgence in abusing 911 has become their number one crutch. Which means it is the perfect topic to use for deprogramming. Even pro-war soldiers have told me that if I really believe the US Government carried out 911 that they could understand my feelings, it’s that universal. This is the defining issue of the first years of the new millennium.
It is also quickly apparent that there is absolutely no risk involved in publicly speaking about September 11th. Angry, close-minded people will not even approach a 911 Truth event. The process of reaching out and educating the real American public is in fact highly rewarding and helps dispel the media myths to which we are all exposed.
Spreading 911 Truth is perhaps the best thing anyone can do to truly push the system to change. Many people have simply never heard or seen any actual evidence and currently it’s getting vastly easier to find. Once someone has figured it out for themselves there’s no going back. It’s rather like swallowing the red pill offered in The Matrix, it’s a one way street. I’ve certainly never heard of a truth activist suddenly deciding that Arabs with box cutters could implode the World Trade Center. The truth always makes us fearless.
(1) "Hijack ’suspects’ alive and well" Sunday, 23 September, 2001 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
(2) "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions And Distortions" by David Ray Griffin, ISBN: 1566565847
(3) 7 World Trade Center collapse, a selection of video available here: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/ Notice that the janitorial shed on the roof collapses before the roof does. In the view from the north, note the "kink" in the middle of the building, this is a signature of controlled demolition. Watch the video from CBS and listen to Dan Rather say it reminds him of a "controlled demolition". also "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" By Steven E. Jones, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
(4) weekly 9/11 Truth Event @ St. Mark’s www.ny911truth.org/
(5) weekly Stand Out for Peace info www.kzoo4peace.org
recommended DVDs: Loose Change (new improved version now available) see www.loosechange911.com for ordering info
The Great Deception, the 911 News Special You Never Saw www.greatconspiracy.ca to order call (416) 651-5588 This video was even shown on Canadian TV!
Painful Deceptions order only via www.painfuldeceptions.com ($5!)
Alex Jones’ Martial Law 911: Rise of the Police State (first two chapters recommended) www.martiallaw911.info to order call (888) 253-3139
Noted Theologian David Ray Griffin’s speech on C-Span Especially good for religious groups, available with donation. see www.septembereleventh.org/donations.php
Books: The New Pearl Harbor, by David Ray Griffin, ISBN: 1566565529
The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions And Distortions also by David Ray Griffin, ISBN: 1566565847
9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA by Webster Tarpley
America’s "War on Terrorism" by Michel Chossudovsky, ISBN 0-9737147-1-9
The 9/11 Terror Timeline, by Paul Thompson, ISBN: 0060783389
News Websites: www.911blogger.com www.total911.infoBy : Jonathon VreelandFebruary Tuesday 14th 2006