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1. I believe it goes deeper than the zionists. Here's why.
From: "goldbugger_y2k" pgalier@neo.rr.com
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Message 1
From: "goldbugger_y2k" pgalier@neo.rr.com
Date: Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:16am(PDT)
Subject: I believe it goes deeper than the zionists. Here's why.
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Here's an interesting site that gives a different perspective.
Basically Alan Watt claims that all secret societies are intertwined
and in reality the religion behind all religions. These secret
societies know how to use the basic natures of man against him by
instilling beliefs(mind control) to manipulate society to their agenda
to be masters of the universe.
Like anything else, a cursory glance will only confuse you. The lower
echelons of these secret societies don't have a clue as to how they're
used by the real powers that be. Zionists are also used in the same
manner. I believe that this fellow is on to something very profound.
I would appreciate other opinions by those willing to take the time to
investigate.
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/
Snip:
Sorry to toot my own horn, but since I'm a genuine little non-managed,
non-affiliated, non-produced,
non-secret-society-backed (you get the picture) tootor tutor I have no
one else to do it. This is a non-profitmaking lossmaking unadventure
so I'll toot away while you listen to your free downloads, Part 1 and
2 from Coast to Coast AM with George Noory, originally airing on April
10th, 2006. Thanks to George for extending his hand down and pulling
up a genuine little human to say his piece/peace.
Part 1 of Coast to Coast AM w/ Alan Watt as guest
Part 2 of Coast to Coast AM w/ Alan Watt as guest
Plus many more audio interviews by others and Watt's solo talks.
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Wolfowitz IMF steps up pressure to "significantly" depreciate the US
From: "Dick Eastman" de1949@nwinfo.net
2. Congressional panel gave companies the right to block or slow your a
From: "John Perna" savefreedom2005@yahoo.com
3. SF paper retracts 9/11 hit piece! tvnl news
From: "reggie501" reggie501@optonline.net
4. Re: I've just banned two posters & this should be end of despicable
From: "mann david" dmann51@yahoo.com
5. Government Plans to Forcibly "Medicate" Reporter/Dissident
From: "janet phelan" jcphelan10@yahoo.com
6. A Day in the LIfe: 4/21/6
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." prez@usa-exile.org
7. Re: I've just banned two posters & this should be end of despicable
From: "kenny318east3" kenny318east3@yahoo.com
8. September 11 Revisited
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
9. FLASHBACK: 2001 TIME Exclusive: 9/11 An Inside Job?
From: "S Miles Lewis" yahoolists@elfis.net
10. Trump Running for President ?? Just remember Trump made his money
From: "ranger116@webtv.net" ranger116@webtv.net
11. 9/11 - Bank Buys Broker for CONCEALED DEMOLITION
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
12. Loose Change 2E Ranked #5 at GOOGLE VIDEOS
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
13. You are invited onto a conference call
From: "janet phelan" jcphelan10@yahoo.com
14. Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
From: "kitty285" kitty285@charter.net
15. Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
From: "kitty285" kitty285@charter.net
16. Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
17. Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
From: "kitty285" kitty285@charter.net
18. Congoleezza Leaked ! -- Now we are going to See Fried Brown Rice !!!
From: "ranger116@webtv.net" ranger116@webtv.net
19. Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
20. Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
21. Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
From: "Kevin Hammond" sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com
22. Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
From: "Kevin Hammond" sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com
23. Re: I've just banned two posters & this should be end of despicable
From: "Kevin Hammond" sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com
24. Re: I've just banned two posters & this should be end of despicable
From: "angiesept11" angiesept11@yahoo.com
25. Re: Jew Talk -- Had enough?
From: "angela mvbride" fourddream@yahoo.com
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Message 1
From: "Dick Eastman" de1949@nwinfo.net
Date: Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:27pm(PDT)
Subject: Wolfowitz IMF steps up pressure to "significantly" depreciate the US
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/926a7118-cf05-11da-925d-0000779e2340.html
IMF steps up pressure for dollar depreciation
By Krishna Guha and Scheherazade Daneshkhu
Published: April 19 2006 13:58 | Last updated: April 19 2006 21:32
The International Monetary Fund on Wednesday stepped up the pressure for far-reaching shifts in exchange rates, declaring that the dollar will have to depreciate "significantly" over the medium term if global economic imbalances are to be resolved in an orderly fashion.
In its clearest statement to date on this highly-charged subject, the IMF said it was essential that currencies in Asia and of oil exporters were allowed to appreciate as part of the required "realignment of exchange rates". But it shied away from giving any specific figures as to the extent of appreciation required.
The statement came in the IMF's twice-yearly World Economic Outlook, published on Wednesday, which highlighted global imbalances as the biggest threat to what was otherwise an "unusually favourable" economic environment.
It said global growth had been surprisingly robust in late 2005 and raised its estimates from September for 2006 and 2007 by 0.6 percentage points and 0.3 points to 4.9 per cent and 4.7 per cent respectively. This year is set to be the fourth in a row in which global growth has exceeded 4 per cent.
The IMF sharply increased its estimates for growth in Japan, to 2.8 per cent this year and 2.1 per cent next, declaring that the expansion there is now "well-established". It also raised its forecasts for China and India significantly, with other increases for oil exporters.
US 'powering buoyant world economy'
Click here
But the IMF remained sceptical on the strength of the rebound in the eurozone, inching its growth forecast up to 2 per cent this year, but down to 1.9 per cent next. It said growth remained heavily reliant on exports, with domestic consumption particularly weak in Germany.
The IMF now sees the US growing at 3.4 per cent this year and 3.3 per cent next, a little faster this year and slower next than earlier estimates. It cautioned that a flattening out in US house prices could have a bigger effect on consumption than some studies show.
It expects the UK economy to recover to 2.5 per cent growth this year, followed by 2.7 per cent in 2007.
Jeffrey Sachs: How the IMF can regain global legitimacy
Click here
In keeping with the stronger pace of expected global growth, the IMF now expects consumer price inflation in industrialised economies to remain at 2.3 per cent this year and ease back only to 2.1 per cent next. It correspondingly revised up its estimates of short term market interest rates over the next two years.
The IMF said global financial market conditions "remain very favourable, characterised by unusually low risk premiums and volatility". It argued that a flattening yield curve need not signal a slowdown ahead, though increased investment - and therefore lower corporate savings - could push up long term interest rates.
The IMF said this year could prove a "watershed year" in which countries either capitalised on benign circumstances to address global imbalances, or spurned the opportunity. Exchange rate shifts would have to be accompanied by rebalancing of demand across the world, with steps to increase savings in the US, raise consumption in China, investment in the rest of Asia and boost productivity growth in the non-tradeable goods sectors in Europe and Japan.
The World Economic Outlook also cautioned against becoming complacent about high oil prices. It said consumers may still be treating current increases as temporary, rather than permanent losses. With excess capacity low, the market is vulnerable to shocks.
Moreover, it said recent price increases had been driven not by a surprising strength of demand for oil, but deepening fears about both short- and long-term supply.
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Message 2
From: "John Perna" savefreedom2005@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:55am(PDT)
Subject: Congressional panel gave companies the right to block or slow your a
Congressional panel gave companies the right to block or slow your access to sites and services on the Web.
Gentlemen and Ladies,
How could this have happened?
Last week, a Congressional panel gave big telephone
and cable companies the right to block or slow your
access to sites and services on the Web.
Because telephone and cable companies, like AT&T and
Comcast, own the lines that connect you to the
Internet, they can control where you go and how fast
you get there. Worse, they can block or slow your
access to Internet-based services, like
Internet-telephone, music and video downloads, and
e-mail that competes with their own offerings.
The fight to preserve an open Internet is just getting
started! Ask Congress to prevent big telephone and
cable companies from blocking or slowing your access
to Internet services offered by their competitors.
The clash today is really about the next big thing,
video that feeds directly over the internet to either
your computer or your television. Video takes up more
bandwidth, and the big companies who own the lines
want to sell you their own video services instead of
letting you easily access offerings from other
companies. If they get their way, cheap phone services
or video downloads via the Internet may become a thing
of the past. The article below from this week's San
Francisco Chronicle summarizes the issue nicely.
Take a moment to tell Congress to keep the Internet
open for everyone. Like a freeway, where any car can
drive at the speed of traffic, you should be able to
get what you need and go where you need to go without
extra charges or slower service!
After you take action, please think of five people who
use the Internet and forward this message to them.
Every active Internet user has a strong interest in
keeping the Internet open! Encourage them to join
their voice to yours and tell Congress that the
Internet needs to serve everyone equally.
Sincerely,
Morgan Jindrich
HearUsNow.org
A project of Consumers Union
1666 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 310
Washington, DC 20009-1039
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THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE (California)
April 17, 2006 Monday, EDITORIALS; Pg. B4
Don't undercut Internet access
THE WIDE and unbounded Internet could soon be fenced
in by cable and phone firms. Higher prices and less
choice may lie ahead under a misguided bill moving
forward in Congress.
A House committee dumped a plan to enforce network
neutrality, a clunky term for an important concept.
The phrase stands for an original ideal of Internet --
equal access and no hidden charges to climb aboard.
On one level, the fight is a battleship clash between
consolidating telecoms, such as Verizon and AT&T, and
major Internet services, such as Google, Yahoo and
Microsoft. The standoff is over the next big thing:
video direct to your TV or computer screen.
But the implications reach beyond what movie to watch.
The cable and phone companies, growing bigger with
each merger, want to cash in on their increasing
leverage. Faster e-mail might cost more. A net-based
company might pay more for a faster connection to
customers.
The big service providers are howling mad at the idea
of a toll booth. Until now, they've had free access
and don't want to pay to play, as the phone and cable
guys are inclined to ask. To date, the fight is going
against them, with a Republican-majority House
committee rejecting net neutrality as it draws up a
new telecommunications bill. The full House and Senate
are expected to consider the matter later this year.
There is undue sanctimony on both sides, to be sure.
The major Internet companies, many of them Fortune 500
firms, are using the founding credos of the
open-to-all Internet to dodge a new bill. And the
telecoms are using new muscle to cash in on their
networks, not withstanding their talk of innovation
and better service. It's a bottom-line game for both
sides.
But down at the consumer level, the impact could be
different. Customers could face one set of services
offered by a cable or phone company -- or a
higher-priced list of alternatives from outsiders. If
Yahoo was part of the standard-priced bundle, would
you pay more for Google? It would be a two-tier world,
not the even-up access that the Internet offers now.
New upstarts would have a hard time cracking the
lineup, while the familiar names stayed on top.
In Washington, Republican legislators have balked at
net neutrality in the belief that Internet technology
is too hard to predict or regulate. Wireless service,
for example, could eclipse the perceived advantage
that cable and phone companies have now in plugging
customers into the net. That's plausible but unlikely,
given the huge investment in the nation's hard-wired
Internet network.
The pending legislation went a step further in dodging
action on open access.
The Republican majority on the Energy and Commerce
Committee directed the Federal Communications
Commission not to pass rules on net neutrality though
it could take up the problem on a case-by-case basis.
This result is lip service to the idea of keeping the
net free and open.
The Internet isn't served by layers of government
regulation. But it shouldn't become a captive of one
industry. Net neutrality should be a guiding principle
to guarantee open use
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Message 3
From: "reggie501" reggie501@optonline.net
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:22am(PDT)
Subject: SF paper retracts 9/11 hit piece! tvnl news
9/11 News : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#911
· Chronicle Forced To Issue Retraction On 9/11 Hit Piece - The
statement reads, "Cinnamon Stillwell's column Wednesday on SFGate
originally stated that images of the plane that struck the Pentagon
had been seen by the American public. No such images have been made
public."
· 911, The Pentagon And The A3 Skywarrior Theory - What little video
evidence there is does show a white trail of smoke before the Pentagon
explosion. Jet fuel burns dark at sea level and jets do not leave
white contrails at sea level. What does leave a white trail of smoke
at all elevations is the solid fuel of a rocket, Thiokol in most
rockets being the type of solid fuel.
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Message 4
From: "mann david" dmann51@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:23am(PDT)
Subject: Re: I've just banned two posters & this should be end of despicable
For what it's worth, you are correct and for the right
reason. This is the LAST PLACE we need to be reading
"CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS" (i.e., Nazi) PROPAGANDA !!
--- Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I trust your judgment angie, no disagreements from
> me. I think i lost track of the number of times I
> kept telling eastman to make the distinction between
> jews and zionists.....only once did i retract
> because he was trying to make a point.
>
> Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote: No
> argument from me. he was asked nicely more than
> just a couple of times to differentiate between
> judaism and zionism and he failed to do so.
>
> Kevin
> www.fightthenwo.org have you seen my site yet?
> Please check it out and give me any feedback as I
> respect your opinion.
>
> angiesept11 <angiesept11@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've just banned two posters, Dick Eastman,
> for his "The Jews did 9-11" post and the
> poster calling himself "joohistory" who posted
> something on Adolf Hitler. I unfortunately rarely
> get a chance to monitor or keep current with this
> newsgroup for which I have some moderator
> privileges,
> and to see this offensive stuff on a rare occasion
> when
> I check in is worse that disturbing. Associating
> any religion with the culprits of 9/11 is worse
> than stupid, it's evil and I'm disgusted to see it
> on this list. When I see it, I'll ban it - and
> this
> shouldn't be any more cause for discussion either.
> The topic is 9/11 PERIOD. It shouldn't be necessary
> to point out that anyone involved in planning
> the crime has NO true spirituality or religion. I
> hope
> this list can be reborn into something where this
> stuff
> isn't tolerated. If other moderators disagree, just
> let
> me know & I'll be on my merry way because I cannot
> associate
> with this filth, nor do I want to see any discussion
> of it. 9/11 should never be used to further
> anyone's
> anti-semitic agenda, nor should this list which is
> intended
> to concern 911 truth activism.
>
> Angie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Saoirse go deo! www.fightthenwo.org
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Message 5
From: "janet phelan" jcphelan10@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:15am(PDT)
Subject: Government Plans to Forcibly "Medicate" Reporter/Dissident
Journalist Susan Lindauer has been held in Carswell
Federal Mental Hospital since October. She was
charged under the Patriot Act as a spy, then remanded
to Carswell by Judge Mukasey (same Judge as for Jose
Padilla) for four months of "psychiatric observation."
She has been incarcerated now six months without any
sort of trial, and she is not being released. On May
3, the government will go to court in an attempt to
have her forcibly medicated with anti-psychotics.
Shades of the Soviet Union...
According to her friend Jay Fields, who has been
interviewed on KDRT and
Peeringintodarknessradio.com (to air next week)
concerning Susan's plight, her mental health has
steadily worsened since her stay at Carswell. He also
states that the "spy" charges have been modified to
"inappropriate lobbying."
I am now in Austin, and have been attempting to drum
up support for Susan Lindauer. I had been networking
to organize a demonstration in the Fort Worth area
about the human rights and First Amendment abuses that
have been visited on this Smith College graduate and
journalist/activist. Fields informed me in a phone
conversation last night that Lindauer has now been
moved to a Federal Mental Hospital in Oklahoma City,
I am requesting all those concerned about how this can
happen in our country to start calling into radio
programs, writing letters to their newspapers and to
contact Judge Mukasey and the Department of Justice.
Tracey Billingsley is the DOJ /Bureau of Prisons
contact person appropriate to this matter. After an
initial contact with Billingsley, she failed to return
my call, which she had promised to return the next
day. I had also contacted U.S. Congresswoman Kay
Granger and Congressman Ron Paul. Both offices
declined involvement.
"All that is necessary for evil to accomplish its aims
is for good men to do nothing."
Janet Phelan
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Message 6
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." prez@usa-exile.org
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 0:49pm(PDT)
Subject: A Day in the LIfe: 4/21/6
GOVERNMENT OF THE USA IN EXILE
Free Americans
Reaching Out to Amerika's Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe Free
Via <prez@usa-exile.org>
April 21, 2006
From: Henri the Celt <henrithecelt@gci.net>
Date: April 21, 2006 12:55:52 AM EST
To: AAAHenri <henrithecelt@gci.net>
Subject: Guide the planes in, then destroy the crime scene
Former German Minister Says Building 7 Used to Run
9/11 Attack:
Guide the Planes In, Then Destroy the Crime Scene
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 21 2006
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/210406runattack.htm
Former Helmut Schmidt cabinet member, 25-year German Parliamentarian
and global intelligence expert Andreas Von Bülow says that the 9/11
attack was run by the highest levels of the US intelligence apparatus
using WTC Building 7 as a command bunker which was later demolished in
order to destroy the crime scene.
Speaking to The Alex Jones Show on the GCN Radio Network, Von Bülow
said that "the official story is so wrong, it must be an inside job."
Von Bülow discussed the special software programs that allow the CIA to
track suspicious stock market movements in real time. Record put
options placed on United and American Airlines in the week before
9/11, a speculation that the stock would crash, clearly indicated
inside foreknowledge of the impending attack.
"If the stock market has very strange movements immediately they take
care of this and they had a lot of tapes and the lawyers told the
people destroy these tapes."
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"The Bush administration is in a deep defensive [mode] and probably
they would like to come out with a new offensive," said Von Bülow as he
considered whether a new staged false flag terror attack could be
launched to further an interventionist agenda.
"I would hope that one 'new Pearl Harbor' is enough," said Von Bülow,
"but I cannot be sure."
Von Bülow commented on the disputed identities of the named hijackers.
"The names of these nineteen [hijackers] never came up in the official
passenger list, until now there's no proof they were on the planes."
Von Bülow also pointed out how the alleged hijacker's flight
instructors told investigators that they couldn't even fly Cessna's,
never mind complex large commercial airliners.
Von Bülow also touched upon the implausible collapse of the buildings.
"The towers came down in the velocity of free fall which is totally
impossible, they fall down in 8, 9, or 10 seconds, the pancake theory
is ridiculous," he said.
Von Bülow also highlighted the fact that there were 67 successful
intercepts of errant aircraft in the year of 2001 before 9/11 and yet
four planes were allowed to veer wildly off course without any being
intercepted on that one day.
Rudolph Giuliani opened a $13 million emergency Command Center
(pictured) on the 23rd floor of World Trade Center Building 7 in June
1999 in part to respond to and manage terrorist attacks.
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Von Bülow referenced the command bunker in Building 7, calling it the
"optimal place" to run the attacks using remote control technology to
guide the planes in and then destroying the crime scene by imploding
the building.
"There were two procedures, one was flying in the aircraft the second
was the explosions," he said.
When asked precisely which parties carried out the attack Von Bülow
said it must have been a "very small group" within the CIA with the
help of Saudi Arabian and Pakistani secret service intelligence.
Comment: Being German he cannot - doesn't dare - mention the part the
Israeli Mossad played...
Von Bülow outlined his view that one reason for the execution of 9/11
was to provide the justification for US military bases in the near and
Middle East to be built in anticipation for a future confrontation with
China, whom the Neo-Cons believe have grown too powerful and need to
have their geopolitical wings clipped.
Click here to listen to Von Bülow's interview.
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From: "Graham Jukes" <grahamjukes@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: April 21, 2006 4:22:39 AM EST
Subject: The Real First Casualty of War / Journalists are killers too!
----- Original Message -----
From: FPF
To: ifj@ifj.org
Cc: The New York Times Direct
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:40 AM
Subject: The Real First Casualty of War / Journalists are killers too!
THE REAL FIRST
CASUALTY OF WAR / JOURNALISTS ARE KILLERS TOO!
NEVER BELIEVE ANYTHING UNTIL IT HAS BEEN
OFFICIALLY DENIED
by Henk Ruyssenaars
FPF - Amsterdam - April 21st - 2006 - It's today three years and five
days ago I published a story on the way journalists fertilize the
global battlefields with the media manure they are spreading. (And I
will never forget nor forgive the so called Journalists Union in The
Netherlands (NVJ) for their part in the global war crimes. They killed
'journalism' in Holland, and are guilty.) - In a very good article
today one of the favorite reporters of the FPF, John Pilger, enforces
what was written in his usual eloquent manner, with some hair raising
examples from the harsh reality a real journalist should describe.
Otherwise it's never going to be a humane world, contrary to what has
been happening for ages.*
Because, as I wrote: ''Journalists are killers too...! A question which
needs an answer is however the following: are journalists killers
too...? - And the answer is an unequivocal YES! Journalists kill when
keeping silent about crimes by their governments and others. Or help
fabricate propaganda supporting wars. I sincerely hope to see the day
when all those followers of Nazi propagandists Joseph Goebbels -
propagandists of ALL nationalities, and we know who they are, will be
judged for their crimes against humanity.- Url.:
http://tinyurl.com/4gwdv -
Like Pilger I've been living abroad for more than four decades, and
find it unbelievable that so many of the people you thought you knew
have sold themselves lock, stock and barrel to the killers. And those
despicable cancerous information spreading traitors of humanity
permanently 'forget' to inform the people they are supposed to work for
- the readers, listeners, viewers, about the tens of millions of deaths
in the trail of the cretins which have enslaved those Judasses. - Url.:
http://tinyurl.com/h4922
It's like Pilger writes too: without those silent and sometimes
secretly collaborating cowards, those miserable megaphones of the
group which has the gold and the guns; all the massacres, the global
suffering, the fake drama of the 9/11 'inside job* and the fake 'War on
terror' or their Holodomors* - would never have been possible!
I do hope that those war propaganda criminals - of which some still
claim the title of 'Journalist' - will burn in Hell forever. If they -
and the Group - sizzle like bacon one minute for every human being
killed by their malignancy - they will be there for centuries. As they
all, and very much deserve. - HR
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THE REAL FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR
BY JOHN PILGER
How guilty those creatures in the propaganda press are is very well
described by John Pilger in his article about The Real First Casualty
of War: ''During the 1970s, I filmed secretly in Czechoslovakia, then a
Stalinist dictatorship. The dissident novelist Zdenek Urbánek told me,
"In one respect, we are more fortunate than you in the west. We believe
nothing of what we read in the newspapers and watch on television,
nothing of the official truth. Unlike you, we have learned to read
between the lines, because real truth is always subversive."
This acute skepticism, this skill of reading between the lines, is
urgently needed in supposedly free societies today. Take the reporting
of state-sponsored war. The oldest cliché is that truth is the first
casualty of war. I disagree. Journalism is the first casualty. Not only
that: it has become a weapon of war, a virulent censorship that goes
unrecognized in the United States, Britain, and other democracies;
censorship by omission, whose power is such that, in war, it can mean
the difference between life and death for people in faraway countries,
such as Iraq.
AS A JOURNALIST FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS, I HAVE TRIED TO UNDERSTAND HOW
THIS WORKS.
In the aftermath of the U.S. war in Vietnam, which I reported, the
policy in Washington was revenge, a word frequently used in private but
never publicly. A medieval embargo was imposed on Vietnam and Cambodia;
the Thatcher government cut off supplies of milk to the children of
Vietnam. This assault on the very fabric of life in two of the world's
most stricken societies was rarely reported; the consequence was mass
suffering.
It was during this time that I made a series of documentaries about
Cambodia. The first, in 1979, Year Zero: The Silent Death of Cambodia,
described the American bombing that had provided a catalyst for the
rise of Pol Pot, and showed the shocking human effects of the embargo.
Year Zero was broadcast in some 60 countries, but never in the United
States. When I flew to Washington and offered it to the national public
broadcaster, PBS, I received a curious reaction. PBS executives were
shocked by the film, and spoke admiringly of it, even as they
collectively shook their heads. One of them said: "John, we are
disturbed that your film says the United States played such a
destructive role, so we have decided to call in a journalistic
adjudicator."
PBS: THE TERM "JOURNALISTIC ADJUDICATOR" WAS OUT OF ORWELL.
PBS appointed one Richard Dudman, a reporter on the St. Louis
Post-Dispatch, and one of the few Westerners to have been invited by
Pol Pot to visit Cambodia. His dispatches reflected none of the
savagery then enveloping that country; he even praised his hosts. Not
surprisingly, he gave my film the thumbs-down. One of the PBS
executives confided to me: "These are difficult days under Ronald
Reagan. Your film would have given us problems."
The lack of truth about what had really happened in southeast Asia
the media-promoted myth of a "blunder" and the suppression of the true
scale of civilian casualties and of routine mass murder, even the word
"invasion" allowed Reagan to launch a second "noble cause" in central
America. The target was another impoverished nation without resources:
Nicaragua, whose "threat," like Vietnam's, was in trying to establish a
model of development different from that of the colonial dictatorships
backed by Washington. Nicaragua was crushed, thanks in no small part to
leading American journalists, conservative and liberal, who suppressed
the triumphs of the Sandinistas and encouraged a specious debate about
a "threat."
THE TRAGEDY IN IRAQ IS DIFFERENT, BUT, FOR JOURNALISTS, THERE ARE
HAUNTING SIMILARITIES.
On Aug. 24 last year, a New York Times editorial declared: "If we had
all known then what we know now, the invasion [of Iraq] would have been
stopped by a popular outcry." This amazing admission was saying, in
effect, that the invasion would never have happened if journalists had
not betrayed the public by accepting and amplifying and echoing the
lies of Bush and Blair, instead of challenging and exposing them.
BBC (BROADCASTING BLAIR'S CRAP - HR): THE UNTHINKABLE WAS NORMALIZED
We now know that the BBC and other British media were used by MI6, the
secret intelligence service. In what was called "Operation Mass
Appeal," MI6 agents planted stories about Saddam Hussein's weapons of
mass destruction such as weapons hidden in his palaces and in secret
underground bunkers. All these stories were fake. But this is not the
point. The point is that the dark deeds of MI6 were quite unnecessary.
Recently, the BBC's director of news, Helen Boaden, was asked to
explain how one of her "embedded" reporters in Iraq, having accepted
U.S. denials of the use of chemical weapons against civilians, could
possibly describe the aim of the Anglo-American invasion as to "bring
democracy and human rights" to Iraq. She replied with quotations from
Blair that this was indeed the aim, as if Blair's utterances and the
truth were in any way related.
On the third anniversary of the invasion, a BBC newsreader described
this illegal, unprovoked act, based on lies, as a "miscalculation."
Thus, to use Edward Herman's memorable phrase, the unthinkable was
normalized.
Such servility to state power is hotly denied, yet routine. Almost the
entire British media has omitted the true figure of Iraqi civilian
casualties, willfully ignoring or attempting to discredit respectable
studies. "Making conservative assumptions," wrote the researchers from
the eminent Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, working
with Iraqi scholars, "we think that about 100,000 excess deaths, or
more, have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq Š which were
primarily the result of military actions by coalition forces. Most of
those killed by coalition forces were women and childrenŠ." That was
Oct. 29, 2004. Today, the figure has doubled.*
"WAR ON TERROR" IS A FAKE METAPHOR THAT INSULTS OUR INTELLIGENCE.
Language is perhaps the most crucial battleground. Noble words such as
"democracy," "liberation," "freedom," and "reform" have been emptied of
their true meaning and refilled by the enemies of those concepts. The
counterfeits dominate the news, along with dishonest political labels,
such as "left of center," a favorite given to warlords such as Blair
and Bill Clinton; it means the opposite. "War on terror" is a fake
metaphor that insults our intelligence. We are not at war. Instead, our
troops are fighting insurrections in countries where our invasions have
caused mayhem and grief, the evidence and images of which are
suppressed. How many people know that, in revenge for 3,000 innocent
lives taken on Sept. 11, 2001, up to 20,000 innocent people died in
Afghanistan?
HUGO CHÁVEZ'S VENEZUELA IS CURRENTLY BEING SOFTENED UP ON BOTH SIDES
OF THE ATLANTIC.
In reclaiming the honor of our craft, not to mention the truth, we
journalists at least need to understand the historic task to which we
are assigned that is, to report the rest of humanity in terms of its
usefulness, or otherwise, to "us," and to soften up the public for
rapacious attacks on countries that are no threat to us. We soften them
up by dehumanizing them, by writing about "regime change" in Iran as if
that country were an abstraction, not a human society. Hugo Chávez's
Venezuela is currently being softened up on both sides of the Atlantic.
A few weeks ago, Channel 4 news carried a major item that might have
been broadcast by the U.S. State Department. The reporter, Jonathan
Rugman, the program's Washington correspondent, presented Chávez as a
cartoon character, a sinister buffoon whose folksy Latin ways disguised
a man "in danger of joining a rogues' gallery of dictators and despots
Washington's latest Latin nightmare." In contrast, Condoleezza Rice
was given gravitas and Donald Rumsfeld was allowed to compare Chávez to
Hitler.
THIS TRAVESTY OF JOURNALISM
Indeed, almost everything in this travesty of journalism was viewed
from Washington, and only fragments of it from the barrios of
Venezuela, where Chávez enjoys 80 percent popularity. That he had won
nine democratic elections and referendums a world record was
omitted. In crude Soviet flick style, he was shown with the likes of
Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi, though these brief encounters had
to do with OPEC and oil only. According to Rugman, Venezuela under
Chávez is helping Iran develop nuclear weapons. No evidence was given
for this absurdity. People watching would have no idea that Venezuela
was the only oil-producing country in the world to use its oil revenue
for the benefit of poor people. They would have no idea of spectacular
developments in health, education, literacy; no idea that Venezuela has
no political jails unlike the United States.
So if the Bush administration moves to implement "Operation Bilbao," a
contingency plan to overthrow the democratic government of Venezuela,
who will care, because who will know? For we shall have only the media
version; another demon will get what is coming to him. The poor of
Venezuela, like the poor of Nicaragua, and the poor of Vietnam and
countless other faraway places, whose dreams and lives are of no
interest, will be invisible in their grief: a triumph of censorship by
journalism.
It is said that the Internet offers an alternative, and what is
wonderful about the rebellious spirits on the World Wide Web is that
they often report as many journalists should. They are mavericks in the
tradition of muckrakers such as Claud Cockburn, who said: "Never
believe anything until it has been officially denied."
But the Internet is still a kind of samizdat, an underground, and most
of humanity does not log on, just as most of humanity does not own a
mobile phone. And the right to know ought to be universal. That other
great muckraker, Tom Paine, warned that if the majority of the people
were being denied the truth and ideas of truth, it was time to storm
what he called the "Bastille of words." That time is now.
This is an abridged version of an address, "Reporting War and Empire,"
by John Pilger at Columbia University, New York, in company with
Seymour Hersh, Robert Fisk, and Charles Glass.
[enditem] - Url.:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12798.htm
---------------------------------------------
Hitler: An Officer And A Gentleman? - History's warning regarding a
compliant media. - by HR - Url.:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4420.htm
Genocide and alibi-journalism - Url.:
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/05-23-05/discussion.cgi.47.html
FPF - Web Results HR +Journalism - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/7w8eo
"If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can
never regain their respect and esteem. It is true that you may fool all
the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all
of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all the time."
- Abraham Lincoln - (1809 -1865) 16th US President
SOME EXAMPLES OF MASS MURDER AND ITEMS NEVER TO BE MENTIONED BY 'AP',
AS THE 'ASSOCIATED PROPAGANDA' SHOULD BE NAMED - THE 'PROJECT FOR A
NEWSPEAK AMERICAN CENTURY':
* Iraq: Pictures from the front line: What the U.S. Press Won't Show
You. - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/qxbxn
* HOLODOMOR = HOLOCAUST 0F MORE THAN 6 MILLION IN UKRAINE - Writer Eric
Margolis: "The Soviet's genocide accounted for at least 40 million
victims, not including 20 million war dead. Kaganovitch and many senior
OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish." - Url.:
http://tinyurl.com/kycrw - Stalin's Terminator: LAZAR KAGANOVITCH -
Url.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
* US CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL CONFIRMING THE CREATION OF A WORLD
GOVERNMENT - "He asked if there was an international conspiracy to
overthrow our government: The answer is ''Yes" - Short video - Url.:
http://100777.com/media/RonPaul-NewWorldOrder.wmv
* CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN THE US? - 'IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE!' - But of
you don't react now... - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/o6lpx
* BEING DEMONIZED c.q. 'KILLED' BY THE PNAC CRIMINALS, BECAUSE OF WHAT
THEY THEY WROTE: Prof. John J. Mearsheimer (fired) of the University of
Chicago's Department of Political Science and Prof. Stephen M. Walt
(fired) of Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government: 'The
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' - Working Paper Number: RWP06-011
- Url.: http://tinyurl.com/fsl7h
* THE 'WHY' OF GLOBAL RESISTANCE - HOW IT IS DONE BY THE PNAC'S CIA
JACKALS & THE WORLD BANK's SERIAL KILLER WOLFOWITZ - 'Confessions of an
economic 'hit man'. World Bank insider Perkins explains: "Jackals' are
C.I.A. - sanctioned people that come in and try to foment a coup or
revolution. If it doesn't work, they perform assassinations, or try
to." - They steal billions for the World Bank, IMF, USAID, UNDP, AID
etc. - Perkins web site - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/jvhbu - It's your
life too: Must watch Video Url.:
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8171.htm
* US BABY GENOCIDE DEFENDED: Former U.S. PNAC-Secr. of State Madeleine
Albright-Korbel, 10 years ago in her comment on the at least HALF A
MILLION dead children in Iraq, which now is estimated at ONE MILLION
MORE BY UNICEF: "WE THINK THE PRICE IS WORTH IT" - On CBS '60 Minutes'
- Url.: http://tinyurl.com/2vmc8
* PRESENT AND PAST - UNICEF reports on another PNAC HOLOCAUST: 'The
under-5 infant mortality for 2003 was 110,000 in occupied Iraq, 292,000
in occupied Afghanistan.' - Gideon Polya: 'Non-reportage of US-linked
infant mass mortality' - December 23, 2004 - Url.:
http://tinyurl.com/rb3rx
* The 'PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY's is HOLOCAUSTING MORE
TODDLERS: 'Children Continue To Be the Main Victims Of the U.S. War
Crimes.' - By Dr. César Chelala - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/oys87
* 'PROJECT FOR A NUCLEAR AMERICAN CENTURY': NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST FOR YOU
TOO - Depleted Uranium for Dummies - Url.: http://www.notinkansas.us
* THE NEW SCIENTIST ABOUT ONE OF THE PNAC'S WEAPONS AGAINST US:
SWEEPING STUN GUNS TO TARGET AND CONTROL YOU AND/OR CROWDS - Url.:
http://tinyurl.com/kbx58
* THIS IS A VERY INFORMATIVE ARTICLE - AN EYE-OPENER - After working
around the globe for more than forty years, I can not find anything
wrong with this eloquent description of the state of affairs: ''Just
six simple words that carry the weight of the world upon them, six
simple words that act as the engine for so much turmoil and unrest.'' -
Url.: http://tinyurl.com/gj4x5
* WHO RULES AMERICA - AND OUR LIVES? - Please read the following
article with an open mind, and if you don't believe it you can verify
it for yourself, as the author suggests. Keep in mind the intense and
non-stop psychological conditioning already for ages being used by
major media - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/evpf
* 6 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED? - ANOTHER HOLOCAUST - THIS IS ONE OF
MANY BY THE PNAC's CIA: John Stockwell, former CIA Station Chief in
Angola in 1976, working for then Director of the CIA, George Bush.
said and wrote in 1986: ''How 6 million People Were killed in CIA
secret wars against Third World countries.'' - Url.:
http://tinyurl.com/gpcg
* "Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we
Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets
and lynched." - George Bush Senior speaking in an interview with
Sarah McClendon in December 1992.
* How The Bush Family Made Its Fortune From The Nazis - THE DUTCH
CONNECTION - by John Loftus, a former U.S. Department of Justice Nazi
War Crimes prosecutor, the President of the Florida Holocaust Museum
and the highly respected author of numerous books on the CIA-Nazi
connection including The Belarus Secret and The Secret War Against the
Jews, both of which have extensive material on the
Bush-Rockefeller-Nazi connection. - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/omczx -
* GLOBAL PREDATORS - ŒFRAUDS-R-US¹ - The Bush Family Saga - Url.:
http://tinyurl.com/elarx
* The 9/11 drama was the 'trigger' used by the PNAC Group, killing
Americans to further their inhuman goals: Anybody who after seeing this
video - '9/11 revisited' - still believes the version from the 'PNAC
pack' - the Washington cabal - is beyond all professional help - Url.:
http://tinyurl.com/jn5jx
* SCHOLARS FOR 9/11 TRUTH - American and other scientists, diplomats,
researchers etc.: What happened on 9/11? - What is happening to our
world? - How can we improve our situation? - Url.:
http://www.st911.org/
* The MAD COW MORNING NEWS is one of the absolutely best 9/11 sites on
Internet - by Daniel Hopsicker - Url.:
http://www.madcowprod.com/01042004.html
* PSYOPS: How to make anybody say and see anything - William M. Arkin's
"The U.S. Military Online" - When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing -
Special to the Washington Post - already on Feb. 1, 1999 -
Url.:http://tinyurl.com/hvnrq
* FOX: Video 49 min. - The example how viewers are brainwashed and
'outfoxed' - Url.: http://tinyurl.com/b2zzl
* All the more reason to read the FIGHTIN' COCK FLYER - Url.:
http://fightincockflyer.blogspot.com/
* THE ONLY SOLUTION? - Help all the troops - of whatever nationality -
to come back from abroad! - AND WITH ALL THEIR WEAPONS, WHICH WE ARE
FORCED TO PAY FOR BY TAXES - [http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm] -
We need them badly at home in many countries to fight with us against
our so called 'governments' and their malignant managers - Url.:
http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/
The Dutch author this far has lived and worked abroad for more than 4
decades for international media - when they still knew what honest
journalism was - as an independent foreign correspondent. Of which 10
years - also during Gulf War I - in the 'Arab World' and the Middle
East. Seeing worldwide that every bullet and every bomb breeds more
terrorism !
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Leak reveals
official story of London bombings
April 19, 2006
The Observer - 2006-04-09
· Al-Qaeda not linked, says government
· Internet used to plan 7/7 attack
Mark Townsend, crime correspondent
Sunday April 9, 2006
The Observer
The official inquiry into the 7 July London bombings will say the
attack was planned on a shoestring budget from information on the
internet, that there was no 'fifth-bomber' and no direct support from
al-Qaeda, although two of the bombers had visited Pakistan.
The first forensic account of the atrocity that claimed the lives of
52 people, which will be published in the next few weeks, will say that
attacks were the product of a 'simple and inexpensive' plot hatched by
four British suicide bombers bent on martyrdom.
Far from being the work of an international terror network, as
originally suspected, the attack was carried out by four men who had
scoured terror sites on the internet. Their knapsack bombs cost only a
few hundred pounds, according to the first completed draft of the
government's definitive report into the blasts.
The Home Office account, compiled by a senior civil servant at the
behest of Home Secretary Charles Clarke, also discounts the existence
of a fifth bomber. After the bombings, police found an unused rucksack
of explosives in the bombers' abandoned car at Luton station, which led
to a manhunt for a missing suspect. Similarly, it found nothing to
support the theory that an al-Qaeda fixer, presumed to be from
Pakistan, was instrumental in planning the attacks.
A Whitehall source said: 'The London attacks were a modest, simple
affair by four seemingly normal men using the internet.'
Confirmation of the nature of the attacks will raise fresh concerns
over the vulnerability of Britain to an attack by small,
unsophisticated groups. A fortnight after 7 July, an unconnected group
of four tried to duplicate the attack, but their devices failed to
detonate.
However, the findings will draw criticism for failing to address
concerns as to why no action was taken against the bombers despite the
fact that one of them, Mohammed Siddique Khan, was identified by
intelligence officers months before the attack. A report into the
attack by the Commons intelligence and security committee, which could
be published alongside the official narrative, will question why MI5
called off surveillance of the ringleader of the 7 July bombings.
Patrick Mercer, shadow homeland security spokesman, said the official
narrative's findings would only lead to calls for an independent
inquiry to answer further questions surrounding 7 July.
He said: 'A series of reports such as this narrative simply does not
answer questions such as the reduced terror alert before the attack,
the apparent involvement of al-Qaeda and links to earlier or later
terrorist plots.'
The official Home Office report into the attacks does, however, decide
that the four suicide bombers - Siddique Khan, Hasib Hussain, Shehzad
Tanweer and Jermaine Lindsay - were partly inspired by Khan's trips to
Pakistan, though the meeting between the four men and known militants
in Pakistan is seen as ideological, rather than fact-finding.
A videotape of Mohammed Siddique Khan released after the attacks also
featured footage of Osama bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri. The
Home Office believes the tape was edited after the suicide attacks and
dismisses it as evidence of al-Qaeda's involvement in the attack.
Khan is confirmed as ringleader of the attacks, though the
Yorkshire-born bomber's apparent links to other suspected terrorists
are not discussed for legal reasons.
The report also investigates the psychological make-up and behaviour
of the four bombers during the run-up to the attack. Using intelligence
compiled in the nine months since, the account paints a portrait of
four British men who in effect led double lives.
It exposes how the quartet adopted an extreme interpretation of Islam,
juxtaposed with a willingness to enjoy a 'western' lifestyle - in
particular Jermaine Lindsay, the bomber from Berkshire.
According to the report, the attacks were largely motivated by
concerns over foreign policy and the perception that it was
deliberately anti-Muslim, although the four men were also driven by the
promise of immortality.
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THE FOLLOWING IS A COMMENT FROM JOHN LEONARD ON THE INFO ABOVE:
At 4.20.06 00:27, he wrote:
It exposes how the quartet adopted an extreme interpretation of Islam,
juxtaposed with a willingness to enjoy a 'western' lifestyle - in
particular Jermaine Lindsay, the bomber from Berkshire.
This double identity is a clear sign that these four were hired as
patsies, double agents. Their new job was very secret, they were not
even allowed to tell their wives what they were doing. They may have
been told they were being recruited into an "anti-terrorist" activity,
possibly to be "infiltrators into terrorist cells". That's why they
were browsing terrorist sites on the web, and also why they came down
to London to participate in some little drills.
Manipulating and destroying patsies is one of the most refined (and
effective) forms of cruelty there is - just look at what the mad
sadists are doing with poor Moussaoui.
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From: Henri the Celt <henrithecelt@gci.net>
Date: April 21, 2006 1:28:50 AM EST
To: AAAHenri <henrithecelt@gci.net>
Subject: The CIA "Wehrmacht"... Intelligence agencies in revolt?
The CIA “Wehrmacht”
Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006. By Ken Silverstein.
Harper's Magazine
http://www.harpers.org/sb-cia-wehrmacht.html
With the war in Iraq an utter debacle and public opinion turned against
the White House, anger within the armed forces towards Secretary of
Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the Administration is growing, and the
Pentagon is fighting back (see “Pentagon Memo Aims to Counter Rumsfeld
Critics” in the April 16 New York Times). But what's been little noted
thus far is what looks to be a similar revolt brewing at the CIA. An
ex-senior agency officer who keeps in contact with his former peers
told me that there is a “a big swing” in anti-Bush sentiment at
Langley. “I've been stunned by what I'm hearing,” he said. “There are
people who fear that indictments and subpoenas could be coming down,
and they don't want to get caught up in it.”
This former senior officer said there “seems to be a quiet conspiracy
by rational people” at the agency to avoid involvement in some of the
particularly nasty tactics being employed by the administration,
especially “renditions”—the practice whereby the CIA sends terrorist
suspects abroad to be questioned in Egypt, Syria, Uzbekistan, and other
nations where the regimes are not squeamish about torturing detainees.
My source, hardly a softie on the topic of terrorism, said of the split
at the CIA: “There's an SS group within the agency that's willing to do
anything and there's a Wehrmacht group that is saying, 'I'm not gonna
touch this stuff'.”
Scott Horton, a human rights activist who has become a principal
spokesman for the New York City Bar Association in evaluating the Bush
Administration's tactics, said that he's also hearing stories of
growing dissent at the CIA. “When the shit hits the fan,” he explained,
“the administration scapegoats lower-level people. It doesn't do a lot
in terms of inspiring confidence.”
The expanding revolt against Rumsfeld is nothing new. I received a
note way back on June 22, 2004 from a source at the Naval War College
that put the situation in sharp perspective:
From my vantage point...cracks definitely have developed in the
Administration's relationship with the Armed Forces. Most recently,
several active duty senior commanders who spoke on the record at the
“Current Strategy Forum” that ended here last week were critical to a
point that walked a fine constitutional line of disloyalty to the
political leadership. It was clear that many of the officers in the
audience agreed with them and admired them for telling it like it
is...[W]hat I think is going on here is serious concern among officers
to protect the integrity of the institution. After unquestionably
following policy, as we would expect, the increasing strains on the
military plus the devolution in Iraq seem to have retrieved a
collective wisdom from the shadow of Vietnam.
Other signs of serious military anger toward the administration were
apparent by the spring of 2004 when a group of very senior officers
from the Judge Advocate General's Corps, the legal arm of the U.S.
armed forces, were so upset about the administration's loosening of
rules against torture that they complained in private to Horton, who
was then a committee chair at the New York City Bar Association. Horton
and the Bar subsequently prepared a groundbreaking report on U.S.
interrogation tactics, “Human Rights Standards Applicable to the United
States' Interrogation of Detainees,” which challenged the Pentagon's
actions. Horton and the Bar also were involved in publishing the
“torture memoranda” and used them to disprove Rumsfeld's claims that
the abuses at Abu Ghraib resulted from a few low-ranking “bad apples”
(to use the administration's phrase).
Today's “Wehrmacht” officers at the CIA are right to be worried about
subpoenas: a legal analysis prepared by a senior FBI attorney in 2002
deemed that renditions to countries that torture detainees were
illegal. The attorney concluded that such actions were designed to
circumvent American laws against torture and that anyone even
discussing such a plan could be found criminally liable. If the
political winds shift, some “bad apples” in the CIA could find
themselves indicted for torture.
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July
13, 2005, Sydney Morning Herald (Australia's Leading Newspaper)
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/the-nerd-who-saw-too-much/2005/
07/12/1120934245512.html
A computer geek faces 70 years in jail for hacking into the top levels
of US defence. He had, the US prosecutors said, perpetrated the
"biggest military computer hack of all time". What McKinnon was hunting
for, as he snooped around NASA, and the Pentagon's network, was
evidence of a UFO cover-up. "What was the most exciting thing you saw?"
I ask. "I found a list of officers' names," he says, "under the heading
'Non-Terrestrial Officers' …. It doesn't mean little green men. What I
think it means is not Earth-based. I found a list of 'fleet-to-fleet
transfers', and a list of ship names. I looked them up. They weren't US
Navy ships. What I saw made me believe they have some kind of
spaceship, off-planet." "The Americans have a secret spaceship?" I ask.
"That's what this trickle of evidence has led me to believe." 'The
whole world thinks it's cooperating in building the International Space
Station, but you've already got a space-based army that you refer to as
Non-Terrestrial Officers'."
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From: "Graham Jukes" <grahamjukes@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: April 20, 2006 2:48:39 AM EST
Subject: Parts of America Are as Poor as Third World
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Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: [globalnetnews-summary] UN Hits Back at US in Report Saying
Parts
of America are as Poor as Third World
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0908-06.htm
Published on Thursday, September 8, 2005 by the lndependent/UK
UN Hits Back at US in Report Saying
Parts of America are as Poor as Third World
by Paul Vallely
Parts of the United States are as poor as the Third World, according to
a shocking United Nations report on global inequality.
Claims that the New Orleans floods have laid bare a growing racial and
economic divide in the US have, until now, been rejected by the
American political establishment as emotional rhetoric. But yesterday's
UN report provides statistical proof that for many - well beyond those
affected by the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina - the great American
Dream is an ongoing nightmare.
The document constitutes a stinging attack on US policies at home and
abroad in a fightback against moves by Washington to undermine next
week's UN 60th anniversary conference which will be the biggest
gathering of world leaders in history.
The annual Human Development Report normally concerns itself with the
Third World, but the 2005 edition scrutinizes inequalities in health
provision inside the US as part of a survey of how inequality worldwide
is retarding the eradication of poverty.
It reveals that the infant mortality rate has been rising in the US for
the past five years - and is now the same as Malaysia. America's black
children are twice as likely as whites to die before their first
birthday.
The report is bound to incense the Bush administration as it provides
ammunition for critics who have claimed that the fiasco following
Hurricane Katrina shows that Washington does not care about poor black
Americans. But the 370-page document is critical of American policies
towards poverty abroad as well as at home. And, in unusually outspoken
language, it accuses the US of having "an overdeveloped military
strategy and an under-developed strategy for human security".
"There is an urgent need to develop a collective security framework
that goes beyond military responses to terrorism," it continues. "
Poverty and social breakdown are core components of the global security
threat."
The document, which was written by Kevin Watkins, the former head of
research at Oxfam, will be seen as round two in the battle between the
UN and the US, which regards the world body as an unnecessary
constraint on its strategic interests and actions.
Last month John Bolton, the new US ambassador to the UN, submitted 750
amendments to the draft declaration for next week's summit to
strengthen the UN and review progress towards its Millennium
Development Goals to halve world poverty by 2015.
The report launched yesterday is a clear challenge to Washington. The
Bush administration wants to replace multilateral solutions to
international problems with a world order in which the US does as it
likes on a bilateral basis.
"This is the UN coming out all guns firing," said one UN insider. "It
means that, even if we have a lame duck secretary general after the
Volcker report (on the oil-for-food scandal), the rest of the
organization is not going to accept the US bilateralist agenda."
The clash on world poverty centers on the US policy of promoting growth
and trade liberalization on the assumption that this will trickle down
to the poor. But this will not stop children dying, the UN says. Growth
alone will not reduce poverty so long as the poor are denied full
access to health, education and other social provision. Among the
world's poor, infant mortality is falling at less than half of the
world average. To tackle that means tackling inequality - a message
towards which John Bolton and his fellow US neocons are deeply hostile.
India and China, the UN says, have been very successful in wealth
creation but have not enabled the poor to share in the process. A rapid
decline in child mortality has therefore not materialized. Indeed, when
it comes to reducing infant deaths, India has now been overtaken by
Bangladesh, which is only growing a third as fast.
Poverty could be halved in just 17 years in Kenya if the poorest people
were enabled to double the amount of economic growth they can achieve
at present.
Inequality within countries is as stark as the gaps between countries,
the UN says. Poverty is not the only issue here. The death rate for
girls in India is now 50 per cent higher than for boys. Gender bias
means girls are not given the same food as boys and are not taken to
clinics as often when they are ill. Fetal scanning has also reduced the
number of girls born.
The only way to eradicate poverty, it says, is to target inequalities.
Unless that is done the Millennium Development Goals will never be met.
And 41 million children will die unnecessarily over the next 10 years.
Decline in health care
Child mortality is on the rise in the United States
For half a century the US has seen a sustained decline in the number of
children who die before their fifth birthday. But since 2000 this trend
has been reversed.
Although the US leads the world in healthcare spending - per head of
population it spends twice what other rich OECD nations spend on
average, 13 per cent of its national income - this high level goes
disproportionately on the care of white Americans. It has not been
targeted to eradicate large disparities in infant death rates based on
race, wealth and state of residence.
The infant mortality rate in the US is now the same as in Malaysia
High levels of spending on personal health care reflect America's
cutting-edge medical technology and treatment. But the paradox at the
heart of the US health system is that, because of inequalities in
health financing, countries that spend substantially less than the US
have, on average, a healthier population. A baby boy from one of the
top 5 per cent richest families in America will live 25 per cent longer
than a boy born in the bottom 5 per cent and the infant mortality rate
in the US is the same as Malaysia, which has a quarter of America's
income.
Blacks in Washington DC have a higher infant death rate than people in
the Indian state of Kerala
The health of US citizens is influenced by differences in insurance,
income, language and education. Black mothers are twice as likely as
white mothers to give birth to a low birthweight baby. And their
children are more likely to become ill.
Throughout the US black children are twice as likely to die before
their first birthday.
Hispanic Americans are more than twice as likely as white Americans to
have no health cover
The US is the only wealthy country with no universal health insurance
system. Its mix of employer-based private insurance and public coverage
does not reach all Americans. More than one in six people of working
age lack insurance. One in three families living below the poverty line
are uninsured. Just 13 per cent of white Americans are uninsured,
compared with 21 per cent of blacks and 34 per cent of Hispanic
Americans. Being born into an uninsured household increases the
probability of death before the age of one by about 50 per cent.
More than a third of the uninsured say that they went without medical
care last year because of cost
Uninsured Americans are less likely to have regular outpatient care, so
they are more likely to be admitted to hospital for avoidable health
problems.
More than 40 per cent of the uninsured do not have a regular place to
receive medical treatment. More than a third say that they or someone
in their family went without needed medical care, including
prescription drugs, in the past year because they lacked the money to
pay.
If the gap in health care between black and white Americans was
eliminated it would save nearly 85,000 lives a year. Technological
improvements in medicine save about 20,000 lives a year.
Child poverty rates in the United States are now more than 20 per cent
Child poverty is a particularly sensitive indicator for income poverty
in rich countries. It is defined as living in a family with an income
below 50 per cent of the national average.
The US - with Mexico - has the dubious distinction of seeing its child
poverty rates increase to more than 20 per cent. In the UK - which at
the end of the 1990s had one of the highest child poverty rates in
Europe - the rise in child poverty, by contrast, has been reversed
through increases in tax credits and benefits.
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Message 7
From: "kenny318east3" kenny318east3@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:03pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: I've just banned two posters & this should be end of despicable
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, mann david <dmann51@...> wrote:
>
>
> For what it's worth, you are correct and for the right
> reason. This is the LAST PLACE we need to be reading
> "CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS" (i.e., Nazi) PROPAGANDA !!
- It is commonly assumed that Muslims are "terrorists" and that it's necessary
to kill them in preemptive self-defense.
- In fact there are many people who continue to endorse the idea of sending
US military personnel overseas to subdue the Muslims, in the hope of reining
them in and to neutralize the threat which they allegedly pose to us.
- It's only on rare occasions that people demonstrate any inhibitions or
reservations about discussing the Muslims and their beliefs ...
But then we dare not level any criticism at the Jews.
I would like to know where this double-standard is coming from and how it got
started.
Please check out the radical "shit list" that targets dissident Jewish people for
boycott. http://masada2000.org/shit-list.html
Ken.
> --- Naveed <flanker12k@...> wrote:
>
> > I trust your judgment angie, no disagreements from
> > me. I think i lost track of the number of times I
> > kept telling eastman to make the distinction between
> > jews and zionists.....only once did i retract
> > because he was trying to make a point.
> >
> > Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@...> wrote: No
> > argument from me. he was asked nicely more than
> > just a couple of times to differentiate between
> > judaism and zionism and he failed to do so.
> >
> > Kevin
> > www.fightthenwo.org have you seen my site yet?
> > Please check it out and give me any feedback as I
> > respect your opinion.
> >
> > angiesept11 <angiesept11@...> wrote:
> > I've just banned two posters, Dick Eastman,
> > for his "The Jews did 9-11" post and the
> > poster calling himself "joohistory" who posted
> > something on Adolf Hitler. I unfortunately rarely
> > get a chance to monitor or keep current with this
> > newsgroup for which I have some moderator
> > privileges,
> > and to see this offensive stuff on a rare occasion
> > when
> > I check in is worse that disturbing. Associating
> > any religion with the culprits of 9/11 is worse
> > than stupid, it's evil and I'm disgusted to see it
> > on this list. When I see it, I'll ban it - and
> > this
> > shouldn't be any more cause for discussion either.
> > The topic is 9/11 PERIOD. It shouldn't be necessary
> > to point out that anyone involved in planning
> > the crime has NO true spirituality or religion. I
> > hope
> > this list can be reborn into something where this
> > stuff
> > isn't tolerated. If other moderators disagree, just
> > let
> > me know & I'll be on my merry way because I cannot
> > associate
> > with this filth, nor do I want to see any discussion
> > of it. 9/11 should never be used to further
> > anyone's
> > anti-semitic agenda, nor should this list which is
> > intended
> > to concern 911 truth activism.
> >
> > Angie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Saoirse go deo! www.fightthenwo.org
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Message 8
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:28pm(PDT)
Subject: September 11 Revisited
http://www.911revisited.com/reviews.html
Hey everyone, I just watched September 11 Revisited
and found it to be the most convincing 911 Truth video
yet.
It focuses exclusively on WTC1-2 and Bldg. 7. It has
no narration, just eyewitnesses and expert testimony
and loads of news video that was quickly taken off the
air.
I asked Dustin Mugford if I could copy and
distribute as myself and many others are doing with
Loose Change 2E. He graciously said yes. Before you
copy I think you should get permission.
Joe
Dustin Mugford
Creator of "9/11 Revisited"
Website: www.911revisited.com
When I first set out to make this video it was only
going to be so I could show my family & friends the
biggest question I have surrounding 9/11. Ever since I
decided to upload it I have received tons of messages
from people all over the world thanking me for making
it.
I would like to send a special thank you to the
Scholars for 911 Truth, 911Truth.org & 911Blogger.com
for helping me get this video out to the public.
Thank you for taking the time to watch 9/11
Revisited... and please tell-a-friend!
- Dustin Mugford
Reviews / Letters
One of the most valuable contributions to the 9/11
video library to date. September 11 Revisited is a
powerful documentary. - 911truth.org
David Ray Griffin commented, "Here's new video, which
probably provides the best case yet of this type for
the controlled demolition of the WTC."
Thank you for making this documentary! For over 4
years I have wanted to tell family and friends this
information, but wasn't sure how to go about it
without coming off as a fruitcake. Your straight
forward and unhyped approach is very convincing and
effective. - Steve
I received the DVD today here in Canada. Thanks very
much. I watched with the GF, and it opened her mind to
possibilities she hadn't thought of, Which was the
point I believe. - David
Just watched your DVD this evening with my mother.
She commented that its the best 9/11 DVD I've shown
her, meaning she liked it better than Loose Change 1
or 2, IPS, Treason Inc., or Martial Law. I thought
your movie was very professional and subtle - great
for public access TV showings. - Joe
Thank you for getting this out to the public, I am a
very big participant on the 9/11 truth movement and
give parties to show videos confronting the truth and
I have viewed this, It's the best DVD since Loose
Change and 9/11 Eye Witness, You are a true American
Patriot! - Jennifer
Received DVD today; library's and schools across
country should have this...thanks a bunch. - Matt
Let me begin by congratulating you. You have put
together one of the best and most comprehensive
compilations of video footage I have seen on 9-11.
This documentary is truly remarkable. - John
I just saw your movie "September 11 Revisited, were
explosives used to bring down the buildings?". I did a
lot of research myself, saw a lot of movies on the
subject but I think this is the best so far. - Hans
The more people that see this presentation, the more
people will be calling for the heads of our "neo-con"
coup affected U.S. Government!!! - JackBlood.com
Thank you for making this crucial information
available. If we are to save this republic, the
American people need to wake up NOW. Your great
efforts will certainly have played a part. - James
I just received the DVD yesterday and my husband and I
are very pleased!! We watched it twice and still found
something new to find! I just wanted to let you know
that you have done a superb job with it and I didn't
care how long it took to get! - Lisa
FANTASTIC 9/11 DVD compilation! It’s the best one I’ve
seen to date!! So many significant segments & smart
edits. Thank again so much for this resource you’ve
provided to everyone!!! - Angie
I've been researching 9/11 for years now and I have
seen plenty of films and this is by far one of the
best films out there. I am having a screening of it as
soon as I get it. Thanks and keep it up the important
work. - Rob
Your compelling and fact based video brought me to the
sober realization that what really happened on 9/11
could not have happened the way we were told. - CT
It hurts my heart every time I see this video. This is
one of the most crazy things I have seen in all my
years of living. I'm a smart young man and I do
believe that explosions where used to help bring down
our towers. - GM
Hey Joe,
First of all, thank you for doing what you can to get
this information
out
to the public! Yes, please make copies of my movie! I
encourage
everyone to
make copies and pass them out to their family,
friends, co-workers,
elected
officials, or anyone else who will take a copy - as
long as they give
them
away for free.
The response has been crazy! It's even being shown at
churches & on
military
bases right now! I posted a blog about it if you would
like to read
it...
http://www.911revisited.com/blog/home/blog.php?id=70
Thanks man!
Dustin
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Message 9
From: "S Miles Lewis" yahoolists@elfis.net
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:56pm(PDT)
Subject: FLASHBACK: 2001 TIME Exclusive: 9/11 An Inside Job?
2001 TIME Exclusive: 9/11 An Inside Job?
Posted Saturday, Sep. 22, 2001
<http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,175953,00.html>:
Sources tell TIME that US officials are investigating whether the
hijackers had accomplices deep inside the airports' "secure" areas
" Investigators are not yet certain how these weapons came to be on
board the aircraft. But they increasingly believe that the weapons
may have been prepositioned [See: planted] by accomplices for use by
others.
As one US official told TIME, 'These look like inside jobs.' "
Also see:
* New Yorker Magazine: 9/11 hijacker clues were "meant to be found"
<http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?011008fa_FACT>
* ARG: "Let's discuss the 9/11 hijackers"
<http://valis.cjb.cc/hijackers.html>
* NEWSWEEK: CIA "Arranged" for Passports for Al Qaeda Agents& Brought
Them to the USA to Recruit for Jihads <http://freedom4um.com/cgi-
bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=12404>
* NBC: Over 25% of 9/11 hijackers trained at US military bases
<http://prisonplanet.com/alleged_hijackers_may_trained_us_bases.html>
* CIA allowed known Al Qaeda agents to buy 911 flight tickets
<http://members.aol.com/mpwright9/sting.html>
* ARG: "Or were there hijackers?" - A rebuttal
<http://valis.cjb.cc/hijackers4.html>
* New Yorker Magazine: The CIA's Jihad <http://freedom4um.com/cgi-
bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=13902> - (03/17/95)
Awoken Research Group
<http://valis.cjb.cc/>
Posted by valis at 12:24 AM | PERMA-LINK
<http://www.total911.info/2006/04/2001-time-exclusive-911-inside-
job.html>
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Message 10
From: "ranger116@webtv.net" ranger116@webtv.net
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:12pm(PDT)
Subject: Trump Running for President ?? Just remember Trump made his money
Trump Running for President ??
Just remember Trump made his money closing down affordable housing for
seniors in NYC and building expensive condos in their place. So you will
know what to expect from him if he gets elected ? !
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Feds begin releasing 1,000+ illegal immigrants arrested on Wednesday
( I am sure they posted bond ? And will show up in court as ordered ?
Maybe they will be given "Delayed Voluntary Departure Permits ?" Like
many past illegal immigrants have ? )
IndyStar.com
Address:http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060420/LOCAL/60420030/0/SPORTS0610
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The CIA "Wehrmacht" (Harpers.org)
CIA Insiders turning against Bush regime
Address:http://www.harpers.org/sb-cia-wehrmacht.html
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Poll: Should Bush Be Tried For War Crimes ? -- 91% Yes ! Vote & pass on
to news media so they can see it is now time to report the Truth !
Address:http://www.misterpoll.com/418257392.html
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Former German Minister Says WTC Building #7 Used To Run 9/11 Attack
Address:http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/210406runattack.htm
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Join Cindy Sheehan, Meada Benjamin and 65 others in defending SFSU
students - see petition!
http://www.petitiononline.com/sfsu10/
Ten peaceful student protesters at SFSU were grabbed and pushed
out of a career fair by police, where the students were protesting
military recruitment. They were kicked off campus without a hearing and
given notice that if they returned within two weeks, they were subject
to "immediate arrest." Some students were instantly made homeless or
jobless, and none could go to class on campus. The university let them
return to campus after 3 days, in the face of NBC planning to televise
coverage.
Students are waiting for the other shoe to drop. Let's not let it
drop on them. Tell the university how you feel about its treatment of
these students and their rights to protest. Tell the university that you
oppose any discipline of these students.
Sixty-Seven international antiwar activists, including 2 former
Assistant Secretary Generals of the UN - Denis Halliday and Hans-
Christof von Sponeck - have taken a stand for student rights and against
the occupation of Iraq.
Join Cindy Sheehan, Medea Benjamin, Kathy Kelly, Camilo Mejia, Dahr
Jamailand 60 others in standing up for these students.
As the letter puts it: "Let's not forget what these students - "the
SFSU 10?" - were protesting. They were protesting the military's
recruiting students into 'careers' that would foster death, destruction
and injustice. They were trying to protect their fellow students from
serious risks of their being among the tens of thousands of US troops
killed, maimed or traumatized in Iraq. They were trying to protect
students from participating in war crimes - a war in which 100,000 or
more Iraqis have been killed, according to the peer reviewed Lancet
study; a war in which the US uses uranium, a radioactive neurotoxin, in
munitions; a war in which 1 in 4 combat marines admitted to having
killed a civilian, with 8 in 10 having reported seeing injured women or
children whom they were unable to help (Boston Globe, July 1, 2004)."
...
"We stand in defense of the SFSU protesters and call on you to take
no disciplinary action against them and to apologize to them for
violating of their civil liberties and human rights. We believe the
university should also compensate any of the group who may have become
homeless or otherwise suffered economic hardship because of the SFSU
actions. And we invite you to join us as we renew our efforts to build
the movement to end this war, bring all the troops home now, and
institute reparations for the people of Iraq. "
Please sign this letter at http://www.petitiononline.com/sfsu10/
##
Charles Jenks
Chair of Advisory Board and Web Manager
Traprock Peace Center
103A Keets Road
Deerfield, MA 01342
413-773-7427
http://www.traprockpeace.org
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ALERT!! – 911 Families Rally Illegal Immigration is not a Victimless
Crime
Washington, DC 4/24 @ 2 PM
6501 Greenway Parkway Suite 103-640 Scottsdale, AZ 85254 :: Phone (520)
829-3112
INVITES VICTIMS OF TERRORISM AND OTHER CRIMES COMMITTED BY ILLEGAL
ALIENS
TO A protest in washington , d.c.
lafayette park (across from the white house)
APRIL 24, 2006, 10:00 A.M.
To remind president bush, congress and the American people : illegal
immigration is not a victimless crime
We are asking people who have been the victims of crimes committed by
illegal aliens or are survivors of victims, to join us in Lafayette Park
(in front of the white house) to protest the McCain-Kennedy bill which
gives amnesty to illegal aliens and the unknown terrorists and violent
felons among them. The rally is open to victims of any crime committed
by illegal aliens, including the 9/11 attacks, other terrorist attacks,
street violence, motor vehicle crimes.
We have all seen the mobs of illegal aliens recently demanding
amnesty and the "right" to become US citizens. This is what happened
when 3 million illegals were given amnesty in 1986. At least two of the
participants in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center were permitted
to remain in the US . Other criminals, whose crimes did not draw large
headlines, were also allowed to remain.
Another amnesty will mean that more Americans will be harmed or die
at the hands of such people. There is no way to check the backgrounds of
15 million people to know who is a threat.
Please pass this along to friends who may have been victims of illegals,
and invite them to join us at our rally.
Contact: Joan Molinaro 570 685 7054, Bruce De Cell 718 948 4108
Peter Gadiel 203 470 5820
CONTRIBUTIONS TO HELP DEFRAY THE COST OF THIS EVENT ARE URGENTLY
NEEDED, PLEASE SEND YOUR GIFT TO:
9/11 FAMILIES FOR A SECURE AMERICA PO BOX 156 , HAWLEY , PA 18428
TO CONTRIBUTE BY CREDIT CARD, VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT: WWW.911FSA.ORG
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corporation. Contributions are not tax deductible
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The 'racist' double standard: how Whites are made to feel guilty
and "hateful" for loving their own people and culture.
www.rescuewithoutborders.org
What Is Racism?
by Thomas Jackson
There is surely no nation in the world that holds "racism" in
greater horror than does the United States. Compared to other kinds of
offenses, it is thought to be somehow more reprehensible. The press and
public have become so used to tales of murder, rape, robbery, and arson,
that any but the most spectacular crimes are shrugged off as part of the
inevitable texture of American life. "Racism" is never shrugged off. For
example, when a White Georgetown Law School student reported earlier
this year that black students are not as qualified as White students, it
set off a booming, national controversy about "racism." If the student
had merely murdered someone he would have attracted far less attention
and criticism.
Racism is, indeed, the national obsession. Universities are on full
alert for it, newspapers and politicians denounce it, churches preach
against it, America is said to be racked with it, but just what is
racism?
Dictionaries are not much help in understanding what is meant by
the word. They usually define it as the belief that one's own ethnic
stock is superior to others, or as the belief that culture and behavior
are rooted in race. When Americans speak of racism they mean a great
deal more than this. Nevertheless, the dictionary definition of racism
is a clue to understanding what Americans do mean. A peculiarly American
meaning derives from the current dogma that all ethnic stocks are equal.
Despite clear evidence to the contrary, all races have been declared to
be equally talented and hard- working, and anyone who questions the
dogma is thought to be not merely wrong but evil.
The dogma has logical consequences that are profoundly
important. If blacks, for example, are equal to Whites in every way,
what accounts for their poverty, criminality, and dissipation? Since any
theory of racial differences has been outlawed, the only possible
explanation for black failure is White racism. And since blacks are
markedly poor, crime-prone, and dissipated, America must be racked with
pervasive racism. Nothing else could be keeping them in such an abject
state.
All public discourse on race today is locked into this rigid
logic. Any explanation for black failure that does not depend on White
wickedness threatens to veer off into the forbidden territory of racial
differences. Thus, even if today's Whites can find in their hearts no
desire to oppress blacks, yesterday's Whites must have oppressed them.
If Whites do not consciously oppress blacks, they must oppress them
Unconsciously. If no obviously racist individuals can be identified,
then societal institutions must be racist. Or, since blacks are failing
so terribly in America, there simply must be millions of White people we
do not know about, who are working day and night to keep blacks in
misery. The dogma of racial equality leaves no room for an explanation
of black failure that is not, in some fashion, an indictment of White
people.
The logical consequences of this are clear. Since we are required
to believe that the only explanation for non-White failure is White
racism, every time a non-White is poor, commits a crime, goes on
welfare, or takes drugs, White society stands accused of yet another act
of racism. All failure or misbehavior by non-Whites is standing proof
that White society is riddled with hatred and bigotry. For precisely so
long as non-Whites fail to succeed in life at exactly the same level as
Whites, Whites will be, by definition, thwarting and oppressing them.
This obligatory pattern of thinking leads to strange conclusions. First
of all, racism is a sin that is thought to be committed almost
exclusively by White people. Indeed, a black congressman from Chicago,
Gus Savage, and Coleman Young, the black mayor of Detroit, have argued
that only White people can be racist. Likewise, in 1987, the affirmative
action officer of the State Insurance Fund of New York issued a company
pamphlet in which she explained that all Whites are racist and that only
Whites can be racist. How else could the plight of blacks be
explained without flirting with the possibility of racial inequality?
Although some blacks and liberal Whites concede that non-Whites can,
perhaps, be racist, they invariably add that non-Whites have been forced
into it as self-defense because of centuries of White oppression. What
appears to be non-White racism is so understandable and forgivable that
it hardly deserves the name. Thus, whether or not an act is called
racism depends on the race of the racist. What would surely be called
racism when done by Whites is thought to be normal when done by anyone
else. The reverse is also true.
Examples of this sort of double standard are so common, it is almost
tedious to list them: When a White man kills a black man and uses the
word "nigger" while doing so, there is an enormous media uproar and the
nation beats its collective breast; when members of the black Yahweh
cult carry out ritual murders of random Whites, the media are silent
(see AR of March, 1991). College campuses forbid pejorative statements
about non-Whites as "racist," but ignore scurrilous attacks on Whites.
At election time, if 60 percent of the White voters vote for a White
candidate, and 95 percent of the black voters vote for the black
opponent, it is Whites who are accused of racial bias. There are 107
"historically black" colleges, whose fundamental blackness must be
preserved in the name of diversity, but all historically White colleges
must be forcibly integrated in the name of... the same thing. To resist
would be racist.
"Black pride" is said to be a wonderful and worthy thing, but
anything that could be construed as an expression of White pride is a
form of hatred. It is perfectly natural for third-world immigrants to
expect school instruction and driver's tests in their own languages,
whereas for native Americans to ask them to learn English is racist.
Blatant anti-White prejudice, in the form of affirmative action,
is now the law of the land. Anything remotely like affirmative action,
if practiced in favor of Whites, would be attacked as despicable
favoritism.
All across the country, black, Hispanic, and Asian clubs and caucuses
are thought to be fine expressions of ethnic solidarity, but any club or
association expressly for Whites is by definition racist. The National
Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) campaigns
openly for black advantage but is a respected "civil rights"
organization. The National Association for the Advancement of White
People (NAAWP) campaigns merely for equal treatment of all races, but is
said to be viciously racist.
At a few college campuses, students opposed to affirmative action
have set up student unions for Whites, analogous to those for blacks,
Hispanics, etc, and have been roundly condemned as racists. Recently,
when the White students at Lowell High School in San Francisco found
themselves to be a minority, they asked for a racially exclusive club
like the ones that non-Whites have. They were turned down in horror.
Indeed, in America today, any club not specifically formed to be a White
enclave but whose members simply happen all to be White is branded as
racist.
Today, one of the favorite slogans that define the asymmetric
quality of American racism is "celebration of diversity." It has begun
to dawn on a few people that "diversity" is always achieved at the
expense of Whites (and sometimes men), and never the other way around.
No one proposes that Howard University be made more diverse by admitting
Whites, Hispanics, or Asians. No one ever suggests that National
Hispanic University in San Jose (CA) would benefit from the diversity of
having non-Hispanics on campus. No one suggests that the Black
Congressional Caucus or the executive ranks of the NAACP or the
Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund suffer from a lack
of diversity. Somehow, it is perfectly legitimate for them to celebrate
homogeneity. And yet any all-White group - a company, a town, a school,
a club, a neighborhood - is thought to suffer from a crippling lack of
diversity that must be remedied as quickly as possible. Only when Whites
have been reduced to a minority has "diversity" been achieved.
Let us put it bluntly: To "celebrate" or "embrace" diversity, as we
are so often asked to do, is no different from deploring an excess of
Whites. In fact, the entire nation is thought to suffer from an excess
of Whites. Our current immigration policies are structured so that
approximately 90 percent of our annual 800,000 legal immigrants are
non-White. The several million illegal immigrants that enter the country
every year are virtually all non-White. It would be racist not to be
grateful for this laudable contribution to "diversity." It is, of
course, only White nations that are called upon to practice this kind of
"diversity." It is almost criminal to imagine a nation of any other race
countenancing blatant dispossession of this kind.
What if the United States were pouring its poorest, least educated
citizens across the border into Mexico? Could anyone be fooled into
thinking that Mexico was being "culturally enriched?" What if the state
of Chihuahua were losing its majority population to poor Whites who
demanded that schools be taught in English, who insisted on celebrating
the Fourth of July, who demanded the right to vote even if they weren't
citizens, who clamored for "affirmative action" in jobs and schooling?
Would Mexico - or any other non-White nation - tolerate this kind of
cultural and demographic depredation? Of course not. Yet White
Americans are supposed to look upon the flood of Hispanics and Asians
entering their country as a priceless cultural gift. They are supposed
to "celebrate" their own loss of influence, their own dwindling numbers,
their own dispossession, for to do otherwise would be hopelessly racist.
There is another curious asymmetry about American racism. When
non- Whites advance their own racial purposes, no one ever accuses them
of "hating" another group. Blacks can join "civil rights" groups and
Hispanics can be activists without fear of being branded as bigots and
hate mongers. They can agitate openly for racial preferences that can
come only at the expense of whites. They can demand preferential
treatment of all kinds without anyone ever suggesting that they are
"anti-white."
Whites, on the other hand, need only express their opposition to
affirmative action to be called haters. They need only subject racial
policies that are clearly prejudicial to themselves to be called
racists. Should they actually go so far as to say that they prefer the
company of their own kind, that they wish to be left alone to enjoy the
fruits of their European heritage, they are irredeemably wicked and
hateful.
Here, then is the final, baffling inconsistency about American race
relations. All non-whites are allowed to prefer the company of their own
kind, to think of themselves as groups with interests distinct from
those of the whole, and to work openly for group advantage. None of this
is thought to be racist. At the same time, whites must also champion the
racial interests of non-whites. They must sacrifice their own future on
the altar of "diversity" and cooperate in their own dispossession. They
are to encourage, even to subsidize, the displacement of a European
people and culture by alien peoples and cultures. To put it in the
simplest possible terms, White people are cheerfully to slaughter their
own society, to commit racial and cultural suicide. To refuse to do so
would be racism.
Of course, the entire non-white enterprise in the United States is
perfectly natural and healthy. Nothing could be more natural than to
love one's people and to hope that it should flourish. Filipinos and El
Salvadorans are doubtless astonished to discover that simply by setting
foot in the United States they are entitled to affirmative action
preferences over native-born whites, but can they be blamed for
accepting them? Is it surprising that they should want their languages,
their cultures, their brothers and sisters to take possession and put
their mark indelibly on the land? If the once-great people of a
once-great nation is bent upon self-destruction and is prepared to hand
over land and power to whomever shows up and asks for it, why should
Mexicans and Cambodians complain?
No, it is the White enterprise in the United States that is
unnatural, unhealthy, and without historical precedent. Whites have let
themselves be convinced that it is racist merely to object to
dispossession, much less to work for their own interests. Never in the
history of the world has a dominant people thrown open the gates to
strangers, and poured out its wealth to aliens. Never before has a
people been fooled into thinking that there was virtue or nobility in
surrendering its heritage, and giving away to others its place in
history. Of all the races in America, only whites have been tricked into
thinking that a preference for one's own kind is racism. Only
whites are ever told that a love for their own people is somehow
"hatred" of others. All healthy people prefer the company of their own
kind, and it has nothing to do with hatred. All men love their families
more than their neighbors, but this does not mean that they hate their
neighbors. Whites who love their racial family need bear no ill will
towards non-whites. They only wish to be left alone to participate in
the unfolding of their racial and cultural destinies.
What whites in America are being asked to do is therefore utterly
unnatural. They are being asked to devote themselves to the interests of
other races and to ignore the interests of their own. This is like
asking a man to forsake his own children and love the children of his
neighbors, since to do otherwise would be "racist."
What then, is "racism?" It is considerably more than any dictionary is
likely to say. It is any opposition by whites to official policies of
racial preference for non-whites. It is any preference by whites for
their own people and culture. It is any resistance by whites to the idea
of becoming a minority people. It is any unwillingness to be pushed
aside. It is, in short, any of the normal aspirations of people-hood
that have defined nations since the beginning of history - but only so
long as the aspirations are those of whites.
Bly Blank My Volk - Stay White My People
The most populous race within a territory, will determine the nature
of the society within that territory
- regardless of who controlled it first.
When Whites are in the minority, they get killed.
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Message 11
From: "Joe Stokes" joestokes@sbcglobal.net
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:27pm(PDT)
Subject: 9/11 - Bank Buys Broker for CONCEALED DEMOLITION
9/11 - Bank Buys Broker for CONCEALED DEMOLITION
Posted by: ricksiegel on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 -
09:02 AM
[ Edit | Delete ] 3716 Reads
911 News
In an open letter from David Hawkins to the London
Market insurance brokers committee the cause for
murder and fraud is laid out for the Trade Center
destruction. As the onslaught of information about the
destruction of the three towers on Sept. 11, 2001 the
idea that the government is complicit becomes more
apparent.
From:
David Hawkins,
Forensic Economist, Foundation Scholar, Cambridge
University
British Columbia, Canada Tel: 604-542-0891
An open e-mail letter to:
David Hough, Executive Director
London Market Insurance Brokers' Committee
Copy:
Judi McLeod, Founder Editor, Canada Free Press
www.canadafreepress.com/
Steven Jones
Professor of Physics, Brigham Young University
Co-chair of Scholars for 9/11 Truth
Jim Fetzer
Distinguished McKnight University Professor of
Philosophy
Co-chair of Scholars for 9/11 Truth www.st911.org/
Bcc
Date of sending: April 3, 2006
Dear Mr. Hough
Re: 9/11 - Bank Buys Broker for Concealed Demolition
In my e-mail to you titled, "Citigroup-AMEC 9/11
insurance fraud on Lloyd's of London?", I suggested
that "Lloyd's convert its civil action in respect of
alleged negligence by Citigroup-AMEC [in an alleged
diesel-fueled fire leading to the destruction of
WTC#7] into a RICO* suit in respect of apparent
racketeering [including solicitation to murder],
extortion, arson and insurance frauds .."
(Full text of letter at www.st911.org/ some excerpts
below)
RICO* - Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt
Organization
We remind you that Lloyd's et al. have sued
Citigroup-AMEC et al. in respect of the destruction of
WTC#7 which with WTC#1 and 2, became the first three
steel-framed buildings in history to collapse through
fire on 9/11.
One of the directors of Citigroup is the disgraced
former director of the C.I.A., John Deutch. Mr. Deutch
is a director of Raytheon where he helped to destroy
'Able Danger' counter-intelligence data-mining
evidence pointing at Mohammed Atta's and the other
al-Qaeda cells in America a year before 9/11.
www.abledangerblog.com/20...chart.html
Deutch's Citigroup is now arranging credit of $25
billion to help Cerberus Capital Management buy GMAC,
the mortgage broker which allowed WTC leasholder,
Larry Silverstein, to structure an alleged 'double
occurrence' insurance fraud.
biz.yahoo.com/ap/060403/g....html?.v=9
Post 9/11, Mr. Silverstein claimed damages for two
buildings (WTC# 1 & 2) but the, together with his
Citigroup-AMEC and GMAC advisors, must have concealed
from the court their prior knowledge that at least
three WTC buildings (#1, 2 & 7) had been rigged for
demolition with explosives and/or incendiaries.
If Mr. Silverstein did not know that the three WTC
buildings were so rigged, he could not meaningfully
have agreed with the officers of the New York Fire
Department to 'pull' WTC building 7.
www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html
'Pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down
with explosives.
To secure the WTC mortage, GMAC appears to have bought
leaseholder-owned life insurance policies from Groupe
Axa on behalf of mortgage investors, including, we
suggest, Citigroup and various New York City Pension
Funds ("NYPF") such as NY's Fire Department Pension
Fund ("FDPF") and its Firefighters' Variable
Supplements Fund ("FFVSF"), the latter being
responsible for maximizing the retirement benefits of
senior officers in the City fire department.
www.axa-financial.com/pre...ement.html
Around March 2000, these New York City Pension Funds
were plaintiffs in what we consider was a
Mafia-directed racketeering class action suit* against
Orbital Sciences of Dulles VA.
* In the United States District Court for the Eastern
District of Virginia,
Alexandria Division (Civil Action No. 99-197-A Jury
trial demanded)
The NYPF suit appears to have been designed to extort
mob control over war-gaming and insured-mortgage
decision support technologies of Macdonald Dettwiler
and Associates ('MDA') of Richmond, British Columbia,
Canada.
www.mdacorporation.com/sy...ence.shtml
www.mdacorporation.com/ne...50301.html
www.mdacorporation.com/ne...10301.html
Following an out of court settlement, Orbital handed
control of MDA to the CAI Private Equity group,
custodian of the NYPF and many other labor union
pension and insurance funds, thereby allowing 50
"prominent individuals" with CAI, Citigroup, GMAC and
insiders to 'stage' hijackings for the 9/11 attack but
conceal the subsequent demolitions in support of bogus
insurance claims.
www.caifunds.com/specialinvestors.html
www.caifunds.com/successs...#macdonald
After 9/11, CAI, Citigroup, GMAC and their affiliates
in Groupe AXA appear to have collected death
certificates from families of dead firefighters and
paid out "dead-firefighter" life insurance policies to
victims' pension fund.
www.axa-financial.com/pre...ement.html
Deutch's Citigroup and GMAC appear to have conspired
to use racketeering loans to finance 9/11 hijackings
during bogus NORAD war games and divert attention from
concealed demolitions and organized securities and
insurance frauds.
New York firefighters with other City labor union
members who missed, escaped or survived the 9/11
attacks, involuntarily profited from the deaths of
their colleagues through AXA payments into their union
pension and insurance funds.
City pension fund members are now at risk of being
accused of participating in the 9/11 crimes and are
therefore targets for racketeering and extortion.
We believe that Citigroup is buying GMAC to protect
insider knowledge of the concealed demolitions of WTC
buildings #1, 2 and 7 and the RICO activities of the
CAI Private Equity Group members, who appear to be
engaged directly or indirectly in murder, arson,
racketeering and insurance frauds.
Once again, we invite you to forward this to your
contacts at Lloyd's for consideration of a RICO suit
against CAI's "50 prominent individuals" including the
9/11 insiders at Citigroup the bankers and GMAC the
brokers.
Yours sincerely,
David Hawkins
British Columbia, Canada Tel: 604-542-0891
Notes:
"9/11 - Bank Buys Broker for CONCEALED DEMOLITION"
Silverstein's lawyers referred to .. near-simultaneous
burnings four different courthouses by deranged man
constituted 'multiple events .. Silverstein .. and
partners .. borrowed $563 million from GMAC ..
agreement to use insurance proceeds to pay off lender
in trade center deal, the GMAC Commercial Mortgage
Corporation"
www.greatgridlock.net/NYC/nycpress.html
"The World Trade Center leaseholder has won a court
victory over his insurers .. A New York jury has
decided that the 11 September 2001 attack on the two
towers constituted two separate events. The US
District Court ruling means Larry Silverstein could
now get an extra $1.1bn (£0.56bn) from nine insurers
to finance reconstruction. He has been fighting the
insurance companies, arguing he was owed $7bn (£3.6bn)
- double his $3.5bn policy."
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4075053.stm
...
Exceprts from, "9/11 - A Citigroup-AMEC insurance
fraud on Lloyd's of London?
..
by David Hawkins, Foundation Scholar, Cambridge
University, Founder of the
Citizen's Association of Forensic Economists at Hawks'
CAFE ..
"An open e-mail letter to: David Hough, Executive
Director London Market Insurance Brokers' Committee"
...
"Underwriters at Lloyd's have an ongoing action to
recover damages in respect of the alleged negligence
by Citigroup Construction Defendants—AMEC PLC et al.
("Citigroup-AMEC") which defendants allegedly caused
damage to a substation underneath World Trade Center
building 7, that substation being the property of a
Lloyds' insuree, Consolidated Edison Company of New
York, Inc. (“Con Ed”).
www.total911.info/city_sj_motion.pdf
Lloyd's, with others, allege that Citigroup-AMEC was
negligent in designing and installing the 7WTC water
mains which ruptured and prevented firefighting and
the 7WTC diesel generators, fuel lines and tanks which
malfunctioned and fed fires causing an 'implosion' of
the Con Ed substation.
...
We allege the Citigroup-AMEC partners sabotaged the
diesel generators to feed fires lit by arsonists on
the 11th, 12th or 13th floors of WTC7 where the
Securities & Exchange Commission lost between 3,000 to
4,000 files. The SEC files contained evidence of
insider trading by Citigroup-AMEC investment bank
partners in the shares of initial public offerings
during the high-tech boom. The House Financial
Services Committee was seeking information about the
treatment Citigroup's Salmon Smith Barney investing
banking division may have given WorldCom executives.
Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center and
Citigroup says back-up tapes of corporate emails from
September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at
the building and destroyed in 9/11. Citigroup
subsequently paid $2.65 billion to the settlement
class which purchased WorldCom securities during the
period from April 1999 through June 2002.
www.thestreet.com/markets...36925.html
www.citigroup.com/citigro...40510a.htm
At 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, 7 World Trade Center collapsed
in its own footprint at a speed slightly slower than
free fall under gravity in a manner consistent with a
controlled demolition. Molten steel and partially
evaporated steel members were found in the debris pile
of WTC #1, 2 and 7. The thermal signature of 32 hot
spots, 5 days and 10 days after the collapse, is
consistent with all the buildings being rigged for
demolition with an incendiary such as thermite.
We allege that the Citigroup-AMEC partnership now
conspired to remove and destroy evidence of arson
before filing bogus property insurance claims in an
arrangement with Larry Silverstein and Silverstein
Properties, including a claim for a double payment for
the destruction of the Twin Towers. "Griffin quotes
court documents to the effect that Silverstein had
only $14 million invested in the insurance deal for
the Twin Towers (compared to 50 times as much by his
[off-book] lenders) through limited liability
investment vehicles."
9-11-inquiry.blogspot.com...oking.html
End of excerpts from "9/11 Citigroup-AMEC insurance
fraud on Lloyds ...."
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Message 14
From: "kitty285" kitty285@charter.net
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:44pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
Jolly Roger first i try to find out if they have turned on him,then i tell
them what searches to do,if you tell the folks the truth straight off there
mouth falls open,and they clam up,you might say i plant a seed,enough to get
them searching,most think im crazy,i have to go slow,i let them find out on
there own,i give enough info for that person that i think he can deal with
it,when they say where did you hear that,i say i found it on Goggle,besides
women are low life here,i dare not tell a man anything,his ego will make him
search,he will be the big shot to his buddies.
Im from Ca. fourth generation,im her because my daughter is here.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?
> Kitty - Scott has an excellent approach here, but since I work with New
Yorkers instead of rednecks, lately I've been saying things like "you're a
naive idiot if you believe that bullshit," and other similarly offensive
remarks. (maybe I'm becoming angry at the fools) Another new approach of
mine is to mention in a list the Luiatania, the Maine, the Gulf of Tonkin,
and Pearl harbor and say "They pull the same trick before every war, and the
American people are still dumb enough to keep falling for it."
>
> Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
Working rednecks huh? I have a pretty good handle on them.
>
> I don't tell them nuthin, I ask them things like, They really think that
we believe 3 buildings came down when only 2 planes hit ad the fire wasn't
hot enough to do a brush burn! (just a statement) but if you can make a
statement them say, they really think we are that stupid, don't they? That
tactic works wonders. No one wants to be called stupid.
>
> When I get my rare cups of coffee the newspaper stand is right next to
me, I take every advantage to say something like, did you see in this paper
that they said this BS? What do they take us for, idiots? And do the
question statement thing, get my coffee and get the hell outta there, cause
they are now thinking. On a good day I can have all within earshot talking
about this, and I don't mean whispering and I do this in the republican sewn
up area of my county. In under a year, even the Bush/Cheney people will not
attack 9/11 comments and many will say, someone must be threatening our
pResident or he'd do something about this!
>
> I never say what they have to believe, I make a semi statement of fact,
and then ask questions. The moment you take a solid stance, they can shut
you off and they can just deny anything you say, so I ask them for their
opinion, or say "You believes this and that , don't you? After all, you
don't look as stupid as those folks seem to think we voters are" That is,
ask a question and make them right and note that they aren't idiots, even of
you may personally think they are.
>
> At the very least, it is progress and without that, we're all dead if
we're lucky and if not luck, we'd indentured servitude in the work force
prison of choice of the Multi nationals.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:54 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?
>
> Kevin,im trying to work the Bible Belt without my head blown off by a
red
> neck !!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Hammond" <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
>
> > The internet is NOT ENOUGH. There are millions that do NOT have access.
> We are now getting down to the wire and must pull out ALL of the stops and
> LITTERALLY do EVERYTHING that we can to get this information OUT! The
> alternative is a MASSIVE one world police state the likes of which NO ONE
> here can possibly fathom. PLEASE! everyone one this group that knows
> ANYTHING about 9/11 and false flag terror MUST get out there and educate
as
> many people as possible! Otherwisw we are all up a creek without a
paddle.
> Go to the files section and download flyers and copy them and put them
> EVERYWHERE! Burn copies of dvds and give them out. Do whatever you CAN
to
> get this information OUT!.
> >
> > Kevin
> > www.fightthenwo.org
> >
> > Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
> BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } I have always placed my faith
on
> using the internet to expose to the world what they are and what they have
> done. The 9-11 frameup is a crime big enough that people can't brush it
> aside. Our best hope is to show the world the ample evidence of the
> false-flag attack -- and then enlarge that hole until their motives and
> their other crimes are exposed. They cannot withstand public opinion.
> >
> > It is the only strategy I know -- and it is one I will keep
ushing --
> but I must admit, in five years I have not seen the people take what we
> already know and use it to enlighten the world.
> >
> > Charlie Sheen is the best thing that has happened in five years. May
> circumstances favor his efforts.
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washington
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Peden
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> >
> > So, you are saying that it is hopeless?
> >
> > Or do you proscribe a course of action as the internet ad our freedoms
> evaporate all at once?
> >
> > Or are you depending on the masses to rise up when their entertainment
> is taken away?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
> >
> > The plague will not be like the attack on the Pentagon -- it will be
> beyond our ability to investigate.
> >
> > Next the nuclear bomb that will be blamed on Iraq -- because there
will
> be no invasion right away, they are setting Iran up for blame for the
> false-flag nuclear attack -- the bomb that will be blamed on Iran will not
> leave evidence -- and the sudden loss of all freedoms by the declaration
> of martial law, including the shutdown of the internet, will not permit
> investigations of any kind.
> >
> > Or perhaps they will let the internet continue so they can guage our
> thinking and trace our connections -- more for them to lose by cutting us
> off.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Legere
> >
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> > It's amazing what a little awareness can do huh?
> >
> > mikemeyer1964 <mike.meyer@asm.com> wrote:
> >
> > With all of the saber rattling with Iran, I had the following
> > thought. I believe that the 911 Truth Movement has been successful in
> > one key area. While we have not broken through to main stream
> > America, I believe that we have created enough awareness about 911
> > that the gov't has to really think twice before they can stage another
> > False Flag event.
> >
> > The gov't has gotten away with covering up 911 to date, in part
> > because they effectively created a cover story and destroyed the
> > evidence very quickly. With enough people aware of what our gov't is
> > capable of now, if they try another False Flag, there will be a lot of
> > people recording every news station and outlet; video and still
> > camera's everywhere, and a lot more people asking a lot more questions
> > right after the event. It will be more difficult to cover up
> > evidence. I was curious as to everyone's thoughts on what I would
> > call a small success for the movement.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
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> > Visit your group "911TruthAction" on the web.
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> >
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Message 15
From: "kitty285" kitty285@charter.net
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:55pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
Would you believe i get remarks like i voted for Bush,because my Daddy
always voted Republican,im talking about a man,my son in-law,says he don't
want to know about anything,he will just vote for Rice,just sends me to
tears.
The old saying don't matter who you vote for,just get out there,and vote is
a bunch of crap !!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?
> Kitty -- if someone's not receptive to the info move on -- some people
simply don't want to know the truth. Try to convinve one or two people close
to you so you have someone to work with. And since the mainstream media has
already convinced them that you're crazy for suggesting such a thing, it
might be wise to first discredit the MSM by exposing some of their other
lies, and that might pave the way to having a more receptive 9-11 Truth
audience.
>
> kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote: Kevin,im trying to work the Bible
Belt without my head blown off by a red
> neck !!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Hammond" <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
>
> > The internet is NOT ENOUGH. There are millions that do NOT have access.
> We are now getting down to the wire and must pull out ALL of the stops and
> LITTERALLY do EVERYTHING that we can to get this information OUT! The
> alternative is a MASSIVE one world police state the likes of which NO ONE
> here can possibly fathom. PLEASE! everyone one this group that knows
> ANYTHING about 9/11 and false flag terror MUST get out there and educate
as
> many people as possible! Otherwisw we are all up a creek without a
paddle.
> Go to the files section and download flyers and copy them and put them
> EVERYWHERE! Burn copies of dvds and give them out. Do whatever you CAN
to
> get this information OUT!.
> >
> > Kevin
> > www.fightthenwo.org
> >
> > Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
> BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } I have always placed my faith
on
> using the internet to expose to the world what they are and what they have
> done. The 9-11 frameup is a crime big enough that people can't brush it
> aside. Our best hope is to show the world the ample evidence of the
> false-flag attack -- and then enlarge that hole until their motives and
> their other crimes are exposed. They cannot withstand public opinion.
> >
> > It is the only strategy I know -- and it is one I will keep
ushing --
> but I must admit, in five years I have not seen the people take what we
> already know and use it to enlighten the world.
> >
> > Charlie Sheen is the best thing that has happened in five years. May
> circumstances favor his efforts.
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washington
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Peden
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> >
> > So, you are saying that it is hopeless?
> >
> > Or do you proscribe a course of action as the internet ad our freedoms
> evaporate all at once?
> >
> > Or are you depending on the masses to rise up when their entertainment
> is taken away?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
> >
> > The plague will not be like the attack on the Pentagon -- it will be
> beyond our ability to investigate.
> >
> > Next the nuclear bomb that will be blamed on Iraq -- because there
will
> be no invasion right away, they are setting Iran up for blame for the
> false-flag nuclear attack -- the bomb that will be blamed on Iran will not
> leave evidence -- and the sudden loss of all freedoms by the declaration
> of martial law, including the shutdown of the internet, will not permit
> investigations of any kind.
> >
> > Or perhaps they will let the internet continue so they can guage our
> thinking and trace our connections -- more for them to lose by cutting us
> off.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Legere
> >
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> > It's amazing what a little awareness can do huh?
> >
> > mikemeyer1964 <mike.meyer@asm.com> wrote:
> >
> > With all of the saber rattling with Iran, I had the following
> > thought. I believe that the 911 Truth Movement has been successful in
> > one key area. While we have not broken through to main stream
> > America, I believe that we have created enough awareness about 911
> > that the gov't has to really think twice before they can stage another
> > False Flag event.
> >
> > The gov't has gotten away with covering up 911 to date, in part
> > because they effectively created a cover story and destroyed the
> > evidence very quickly. With enough people aware of what our gov't is
> > capable of now, if they try another False Flag, there will be a lot of
> > people recording every news station and outlet; video and still
> > camera's everywhere, and a lot more people asking a lot more questions
> > right after the event. It will be more difficult to cover up
> > evidence. I was curious as to everyone's thoughts on what I would
> > call a small success for the movement.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+
> countries) for 2¢/min or less.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> >
> >
> > Visit your group "911TruthAction" on the web.
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > 911TruthAction-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Saoirse go deo! www.fightthenwo.org
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low
rates.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
>
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>
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> 911TruthAction-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> "There comes a time when every man feels the urge to spit on his hands,
hoist the black flag, and start slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken
>
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Message 16
From: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:08pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
Ahh a refreshing post, I was seriously thinking of leaving thanks to eastman's spam.......
What works like a charm on people is when i bring up how many buildings collapsed that fateful day, they respond two.... I say nope, three....building 7 that magically came down at 4 in the afternoon!
to me, its like making a crash belly landing with a 747... gotta be careful with some folks....
kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote:
Would you believe i get remarks like i voted for Bush,because my Daddy
always voted Republican,im talking about a man,my son in-law,says he don't
want to know about anything,he will just vote for Rice,just sends me to
tears.
The old saying don't matter who you vote for,just get out there,and vote is
a bunch of crap !!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?
> Kitty -- if someone's not receptive to the info move on -- some people
simply don't want to know the truth. Try to convinve one or two people close
to you so you have someone to work with. And since the mainstream media has
already convinced them that you're crazy for suggesting such a thing, it
might be wise to first discredit the MSM by exposing some of their other
lies, and that might pave the way to having a more receptive 9-11 Truth
audience.
>
> kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote: Kevin,im trying to work the Bible
Belt without my head blown off by a red
> neck !!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Hammond" <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
>
> > The internet is NOT ENOUGH. There are millions that do NOT have access.
> We are now getting down to the wire and must pull out ALL of the stops and
> LITTERALLY do EVERYTHING that we can to get this information OUT! The
> alternative is a MASSIVE one world police state the likes of which NO ONE
> here can possibly fathom. PLEASE! everyone one this group that knows
> ANYTHING about 9/11 and false flag terror MUST get out there and educate
as
> many people as possible! Otherwisw we are all up a creek without a
paddle.
> Go to the files section and download flyers and copy them and put them
> EVERYWHERE! Burn copies of dvds and give them out. Do whatever you CAN
to
> get this information OUT!.
> >
> > Kevin
> > www.fightthenwo.org
> >
> > Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
> BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } I have always placed my faith
on
> using the internet to expose to the world what they are and what they have
> done. The 9-11 frameup is a crime big enough that people can't brush it
> aside. Our best hope is to show the world the ample evidence of the
> false-flag attack -- and then enlarge that hole until their motives and
> their other crimes are exposed. They cannot withstand public opinion.
> >
> > It is the only strategy I know -- and it is one I will keep
ushing --
> but I must admit, in five years I have not seen the people take what we
> already know and use it to enlighten the world.
> >
> > Charlie Sheen is the best thing that has happened in five years. May
> circumstances favor his efforts.
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washington
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Peden
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> >
> > So, you are saying that it is hopeless?
> >
> > Or do you proscribe a course of action as the internet ad our freedoms
> evaporate all at once?
> >
> > Or are you depending on the masses to rise up when their entertainment
> is taken away?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
> >
> > The plague will not be like the attack on the Pentagon -- it will be
> beyond our ability to investigate.
> >
> > Next the nuclear bomb that will be blamed on Iraq -- because there
will
> be no invasion right away, they are setting Iran up for blame for the
> false-flag nuclear attack -- the bomb that will be blamed on Iran will not
> leave evidence -- and the sudden loss of all freedoms by the declaration
> of martial law, including the shutdown of the internet, will not permit
> investigations of any kind.
> >
> > Or perhaps they will let the internet continue so they can guage our
> thinking and trace our connections -- more for them to lose by cutting us
> off.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Legere
> >
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> > It's amazing what a little awareness can do huh?
> >
> > mikemeyer1964 <mike.meyer@asm.com> wrote:
> >
> > With all of the saber rattling with Iran, I had the following
> > thought. I believe that the 911 Truth Movement has been successful in
> > one key area. While we have not broken through to main stream
> > America, I believe that we have created enough awareness about 911
> > that the gov't has to really think twice before they can stage another
> > False Flag event.
> >
> > The gov't has gotten away with covering up 911 to date, in part
> > because they effectively created a cover story and destroyed the
> > evidence very quickly. With enough people aware of what our gov't is
> > capable of now, if they try another False Flag, there will be a lot of
> > people recording every news station and outlet; video and still
> > camera's everywhere, and a lot more people asking a lot more questions
> > right after the event. It will be more difficult to cover up
> > evidence. I was curious as to everyone's thoughts on what I would
> > call a small success for the movement.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+
> countries) for 2¢/min or less.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> >
> >
> > Visit your group "911TruthAction" on the web.
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > 911TruthAction-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Saoirse go deo! www.fightthenwo.org
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low
rates.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
>
> Visit your group "911TruthAction" on the web.
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> 911TruthAction-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> "There comes a time when every man feels the urge to spit on his hands,
hoist the black flag, and start slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken
>
> ---------------------------------
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Message 17
From: "kitty285" kitty285@charter.net
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:44pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
LOL thanks for the smile :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Naveed" <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?
> Ahh a refreshing post, I was seriously thinking of leaving thanks to
eastman's spam.......
>
> What works like a charm on people is when i bring up how many buildings
collapsed that fateful day, they respond two.... I say nope,
three....building 7 that magically came down at 4 in the afternoon!
>
> to me, its like making a crash belly landing with a 747... gotta be
careful with some folks....
>
> kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote:
> Would you believe i get remarks like i voted for Bush,because my Daddy
> always voted Republican,im talking about a man,my son in-law,says he don't
> want to know about anything,he will just vote for Rice,just sends me to
> tears.
> The old saying don't matter who you vote for,just get out there,and vote
is
> a bunch of crap !!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
>
> > Kitty -- if someone's not receptive to the info move on -- some people
> simply don't want to know the truth. Try to convinve one or two people
close
> to you so you have someone to work with. And since the mainstream media
has
> already convinced them that you're crazy for suggesting such a thing, it
> might be wise to first discredit the MSM by exposing some of their other
> lies, and that might pave the way to having a more receptive 9-11 Truth
> audience.
> >
> > kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote: Kevin,im trying to work the
Bible
> Belt without my head blown off by a red
> > neck !!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Hammond" <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
> > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> > been?
> >
> >
> > > The internet is NOT ENOUGH. There are millions that do NOT have
access.
> > We are now getting down to the wire and must pull out ALL of the stops
and
> > LITTERALLY do EVERYTHING that we can to get this information OUT! The
> > alternative is a MASSIVE one world police state the likes of which NO
ONE
> > here can possibly fathom. PLEASE! everyone one this group that knows
> > ANYTHING about 9/11 and false flag terror MUST get out there and educate
> as
> > many people as possible! Otherwisw we are all up a creek without a
> paddle.
> > Go to the files section and download flyers and copy them and put them
> > EVERYWHERE! Burn copies of dvds and give them out. Do whatever you CAN
> to
> > get this information OUT!.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > www.fightthenwo.org
> > >
> > > Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> > url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
> > BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } I have always placed my
faith
> on
> > using the internet to expose to the world what they are and what they
have
> > done. The 9-11 frameup is a crime big enough that people can't brush it
> > aside. Our best hope is to show the world the ample evidence of the
> > false-flag attack -- and then enlarge that hole until their motives and
> > their other crimes are exposed. They cannot withstand public opinion.
> > >
> > > It is the only strategy I know -- and it is one I will keep
> ushing --
> > but I must admit, in five years I have not seen the people take what we
> > already know and use it to enlighten the world.
> > >
> > > Charlie Sheen is the best thing that has happened in five years.
May
> > circumstances favor his efforts.
> > >
> > > Dick Eastman
> > > Yakima, Washington
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Scott Peden
> > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:27 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
> movement
> > been?
> > >
> > >
> > > So, you are saying that it is hopeless?
> > >
> > > Or do you proscribe a course of action as the internet ad our
freedoms
> > evaporate all at once?
> > >
> > > Or are you depending on the masses to rise up when their
entertainment
> > is taken away?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM
> > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> > been?
> > >
> > > The plague will not be like the attack on the Pentagon -- it will be
> > beyond our ability to investigate.
> > >
> > > Next the nuclear bomb that will be blamed on Iraq -- because there
> will
> > be no invasion right away, they are setting Iran up for blame for the
> > false-flag nuclear attack -- the bomb that will be blamed on Iran will
not
> > leave evidence -- and the sudden loss of all freedoms by the
declaration
> > of martial law, including the shutdown of the internet, will not permit
> > investigations of any kind.
> > >
> > > Or perhaps they will let the internet continue so they can guage our
> > thinking and trace our connections -- more for them to lose by cutting
us
> > off.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Scott Legere
> > >
> > > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:14 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
> movement
> > been?
> > >
> > > It's amazing what a little awareness can do huh?
> > >
> > > mikemeyer1964 <mike.meyer@asm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > With all of the saber rattling with Iran, I had the following
> > > thought. I believe that the 911 Truth Movement has been successful in
> > > one key area. While we have not broken through to main stream
> > > America, I believe that we have created enough awareness about 911
> > > that the gov't has to really think twice before they can stage another
> > > False Flag event.
> > >
> > > The gov't has gotten away with covering up 911 to date, in part
> > > because they effectively created a cover story and destroyed the
> > > evidence very quickly. With enough people aware of what our gov't is
> > > capable of now, if they try another False Flag, there will be a lot of
> > > people recording every news station and outlet; video and still
> > > camera's everywhere, and a lot more people asking a lot more questions
> > > right after the event. It will be more difficult to cover up
> > > evidence. I was curious as to everyone's thoughts on what I would
> > > call a small success for the movement.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From: "ranger116@webtv.net" ranger116@webtv.net
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:22pm(PDT)
Subject: Congoleezza Leaked ! -- Now we are going to See Fried Brown Rice !!!
Congoleezza Leaked ! -- Now we are going to See Fried Brown Rice !!!!!
Lawyer: Rice Leaked Defense Information - Forbes.com
Address:http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/04/21/ap2688551.html
Rice others, leaked info to lobbyist on trial
Address:http://www.kcautv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4803091&nav=1kgl
Lawyer: Rice allegedly leaked defense info | TheNewsTribune.com |
Tacoma, WA
Address:http://www.thenewstribune.com/24hour/politics/story/3267586p-12061344c.html
( Pictured here the meanest woman in the world - Now just click on this
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Message 19
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:57pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
Yeah kitty, you do the same things I do.
Those that knew from the beginning that this was an inside job or really
suspected it, have already done some research on their own, we are opening
the thoughts and minds of those that just didn’t notice the magicians bag
of tricks.
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:45 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?
Jolly Roger first i try to find out if they have turned on him,then i tell
them what searches to do,if you tell the folks the truth straight off there
mouth falls open,and they clam up,you might say i plant a seed,enough to get
them searching,most think im crazy,i have to go slow,i let them find out on
there own,i give enough info for that person that i think he can deal with
it,when they say where did you hear that,i say i found it on Goggle,besides
women are low life here,i dare not tell a man anything,his ego will make him
search,he will be the big shot to his buddies.
Im from Ca. fourth generation,im her because my daughter is here.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?
> Kitty - Scott has an excellent approach here, but since I work with New
Yorkers instead of rednecks, lately I've been saying things like "you're a
naive idiot if you believe that bullshit," and other similarly offensive
remarks. (maybe I'm becoming angry at the fools) Another new approach of
mine is to mention in a list the Luiatania, the Maine, the Gulf of Tonkin,
and Pearl harbor and say "They pull the same trick before every war, and the
American people are still dumb enough to keep falling for it."
>
> Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
Working rednecks huh? I have a pretty good handle on them.
>
> I don't tell them nuthin, I ask them things like, They really think that
we believe 3 buildings came down when only 2 planes hit ad the fire wasn't
hot enough to do a brush burn! (just a statement) but if you can make a
statement them say, they really think we are that stupid, don't they? That
tactic works wonders. No one wants to be called stupid.
>
> When I get my rare cups of coffee the newspaper stand is right next to
me, I take every advantage to say something like, did you see in this paper
that they said this BS? What do they take us for, idiots? And do the
question statement thing, get my coffee and get the hell outta there, cause
they are now thinking. On a good day I can have all within earshot talking
about this, and I don't mean whispering and I do this in the republican sewn
up area of my county. In under a year, even the Bush/Cheney people will not
attack 9/11 comments and many will say, someone must be threatening our
pResident or he'd do something about this!
>
> I never say what they have to believe, I make a semi statement of fact,
and then ask questions. The moment you take a solid stance, they can shut
you off and they can just deny anything you say, so I ask them for their
opinion, or say "You believes this and that , don't you? After all, you
don't look as stupid as those folks seem to think we voters are" That is,
ask a question and make them right and note that they aren't idiots, even of
you may personally think they are.
>
> At the very least, it is progress and without that, we're all dead if
we're lucky and if not luck, we'd indentured servitude in the work force
prison of choice of the Multi nationals.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:54 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?
>
> Kevin,im trying to work the Bible Belt without my head blown off by a
red
> neck !!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Hammond" <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
>
> > The internet is NOT ENOUGH. There are millions that do NOT have access.
> We are now getting down to the wire and must pull out ALL of the stops and
> LITTERALLY do EVERYTHING that we can to get this information OUT! The
> alternative is a MASSIVE one world police state the likes of which NO ONE
> here can possibly fathom. PLEASE! everyone one this group that knows
> ANYTHING about 9/11 and false flag terror MUST get out there and educate
as
> many people as possible! Otherwisw we are all up a creek without a
paddle.
> Go to the files section and download flyers and copy them and put them
> EVERYWHERE! Burn copies of dvds and give them out. Do whatever you CAN
to
> get this information OUT!.
> >
> > Kevin
> > www.fightthenwo.org
> >
> > Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
> BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } I have always placed my faith
on
> using the internet to expose to the world what they are and what they have
> done. The 9-11 frameup is a crime big enough that people can't brush it
> aside. Our best hope is to show the world the ample evidence of the
> false-flag attack -- and then enlarge that hole until their motives and
> their other crimes are exposed. They cannot withstand public opinion.
> >
> > It is the only strategy I know -- and it is one I will keep
ushing --
> but I must admit, in five years I have not seen the people take what we
> already know and use it to enlighten the world.
> >
> > Charlie Sheen is the best thing that has happened in five years. May
> circumstances favor his efforts.
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washington
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Peden
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> >
> > So, you are saying that it is hopeless?
> >
> > Or do you proscribe a course of action as the internet ad our freedoms
> evaporate all at once?
> >
> > Or are you depending on the masses to rise up when their entertainment
> is taken away?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
> >
> > The plague will not be like the attack on the Pentagon -- it will be
> beyond our ability to investigate.
> >
> > Next the nuclear bomb that will be blamed on Iraq -- because there
will
> be no invasion right away, they are setting Iran up for blame for the
> false-flag nuclear attack -- the bomb that will be blamed on Iran will not
> leave evidence -- and the sudden loss of all freedoms by the declaration
> of martial law, including the shutdown of the internet, will not permit
> investigations of any kind.
> >
> > Or perhaps they will let the internet continue so they can guage our
> thinking and trace our connections -- more for them to lose by cutting us
> off.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Legere
> >
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> > It's amazing what a little awareness can do huh?
> >
> > mikemeyer1964 <mike.meyer@asm.com> wrote:
> >
> > With all of the saber rattling with Iran, I had the following
> > thought. I believe that the 911 Truth Movement has been successful in
> > one key area. While we have not broken through to main stream
> > America, I believe that we have created enough awareness about 911
> > that the gov't has to really think twice before they can stage another
> > False Flag event.
> >
> > The gov't has gotten away with covering up 911 to date, in part
> > because they effectively created a cover story and destroyed the
> > evidence very quickly. With enough people aware of what our gov't is
> > capable of now, if they try another False Flag, there will be a lot of
> > people recording every news station and outlet; video and still
> > camera's everywhere, and a lot more people asking a lot more questions
> > right after the event. It will be more difficult to cover up
> > evidence. I was curious as to everyone's thoughts on what I would
> > call a small success for the movement.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Message 20
From: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:03pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
Yeah, I have 2 Viet Nam Republican lifers that I know well enough to
consider them friends. It has taken years, but they admit now that 9/11 was
an inside job, they now hate bush, but still think Kerry would have been
worse, so I ask, if it is that bad, is that why the right to keep and bear
arms was written into the constitution? And they get an angry look, and
glance away, though they are no longer angry at me for making them ask and
answer the realities that they know happened.
At the very least, I cost Bush 2 mega supporters. BTW, these 2 men now tell
me that the GOP has betrayed them too. See what happens if you get a brain
to start working on it’s own?
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:56 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?
Would you believe i get remarks like i voted for Bush,because my Daddy
always voted Republican,im talking about a man,my son in-law,says he don't
want to know about anything,he will just vote for Rice,just sends me to
tears.
The old saying don't matter who you vote for,just get out there,and vote is
a bunch of crap !!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?
> Kitty -- if someone's not receptive to the info move on -- some people
simply don't want to know the truth. Try to convinve one or two people close
to you so you have someone to work with. And since the mainstream media has
already convinced them that you're crazy for suggesting such a thing, it
might be wise to first discredit the MSM by exposing some of their other
lies, and that might pave the way to having a more receptive 9-11 Truth
audience.
>
> kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote: Kevin,im trying to work the Bible
Belt without my head blown off by a red
> neck !!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Hammond" <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
>
> > The internet is NOT ENOUGH. There are millions that do NOT have access.
> We are now getting down to the wire and must pull out ALL of the stops and
> LITTERALLY do EVERYTHING that we can to get this information OUT! The
> alternative is a MASSIVE one world police state the likes of which NO ONE
> here can possibly fathom. PLEASE! everyone one this group that knows
> ANYTHING about 9/11 and false flag terror MUST get out there and educate
as
> many people as possible! Otherwisw we are all up a creek without a
paddle.
> Go to the files section and download flyers and copy them and put them
> EVERYWHERE! Burn copies of dvds and give them out. Do whatever you CAN
to
> get this information OUT!.
> >
> > Kevin
> > www.fightthenwo.org
> >
> > Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
> BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } I have always placed my faith
on
> using the internet to expose to the world what they are and what they have
> done. The 9-11 frameup is a crime big enough that people can't brush it
> aside. Our best hope is to show the world the ample evidence of the
> false-flag attack -- and then enlarge that hole until their motives and
> their other crimes are exposed. They cannot withstand public opinion.
> >
> > It is the only strategy I know -- and it is one I will keep
ushing --
> but I must admit, in five years I have not seen the people take what we
> already know and use it to enlighten the world.
> >
> > Charlie Sheen is the best thing that has happened in five years. May
> circumstances favor his efforts.
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washington
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Peden
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> >
> > So, you are saying that it is hopeless?
> >
> > Or do you proscribe a course of action as the internet ad our freedoms
> evaporate all at once?
> >
> > Or are you depending on the masses to rise up when their entertainment
> is taken away?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
> >
> > The plague will not be like the attack on the Pentagon -- it will be
> beyond our ability to investigate.
> >
> > Next the nuclear bomb that will be blamed on Iraq -- because there
will
> be no invasion right away, they are setting Iran up for blame for the
> false-flag nuclear attack -- the bomb that will be blamed on Iran will not
> leave evidence -- and the sudden loss of all freedoms by the declaration
> of martial law, including the shutdown of the internet, will not permit
> investigations of any kind.
> >
> > Or perhaps they will let the internet continue so they can guage our
> thinking and trace our connections -- more for them to lose by cutting us
> off.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Legere
> >
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> > It's amazing what a little awareness can do huh?
> >
> > mikemeyer1964 <mike.meyer@asm.com> wrote:
> >
> > With all of the saber rattling with Iran, I had the following
> > thought. I believe that the 911 Truth Movement has been successful in
> > one key area. While we have not broken through to main stream
> > America, I believe that we have created enough awareness about 911
> > that the gov't has to really think twice before they can stage another
> > False Flag event.
> >
> > The gov't has gotten away with covering up 911 to date, in part
> > because they effectively created a cover story and destroyed the
> > evidence very quickly. With enough people aware of what our gov't is
> > capable of now, if they try another False Flag, there will be a lot of
> > people recording every news station and outlet; video and still
> > camera's everywhere, and a lot more people asking a lot more questions
> > right after the event. It will be more difficult to cover up
> > evidence. I was curious as to everyone's thoughts on what I would
> > call a small success for the movement.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+
> countries) for 2¢/min or less.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> >
> >
> > Visit your group "911TruthAction" on the web.
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > 911TruthAction-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > ---------------------------------
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
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hoist the black flag, and start slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken
>
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Message 21
From: "Kevin Hammond" sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:29pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
Good work Kitty. There are many parts of scripture that are very appropriate for this situation. I will look for them. Where in the belt are you by the way? Oh, And you are a TRUE patriot. Keep up the good work. And be careful.
Kevin
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ahh a refreshing post, I was seriously thinking of leaving thanks to eastman's spam.......
What works like a charm on people is when i bring up how many buildings collapsed that fateful day, they respond two.... I say nope, three....building 7 that magically came down at 4 in the afternoon!
to me, its like making a crash belly landing with a 747... gotta be careful with some folks....
kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote:
Would you believe i get remarks like i voted for Bush,because my Daddy
always voted Republican,im talking about a man,my son in-law,says he don't
want to know about anything,he will just vote for Rice,just sends me to
tears.
The old saying don't matter who you vote for,just get out there,and vote is
a bunch of crap !!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?
> Kitty -- if someone's not receptive to the info move on -- some people
simply don't want to know the truth. Try to convinve one or two people close
to you so you have someone to work with. And since the mainstream media has
already convinced them that you're crazy for suggesting such a thing, it
might be wise to first discredit the MSM by exposing some of their other
lies, and that might pave the way to having a more receptive 9-11 Truth
audience.
>
> kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote: Kevin,im trying to work the Bible
Belt without my head blown off by a red
> neck !!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Hammond" <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
>
> > The internet is NOT ENOUGH. There are millions that do NOT have access.
> We are now getting down to the wire and must pull out ALL of the stops and
> LITTERALLY do EVERYTHING that we can to get this information OUT! The
> alternative is a MASSIVE one world police state the likes of which NO ONE
> here can possibly fathom. PLEASE! everyone one this group that knows
> ANYTHING about 9/11 and false flag terror MUST get out there and educate
as
> many people as possible! Otherwisw we are all up a creek without a
paddle.
> Go to the files section and download flyers and copy them and put them
> EVERYWHERE! Burn copies of dvds and give them out. Do whatever you CAN
to
> get this information OUT!.
> >
> > Kevin
> > www.fightthenwo.org
> >
> > Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
> BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } I have always placed my faith
on
> using the internet to expose to the world what they are and what they have
> done. The 9-11 frameup is a crime big enough that people can't brush it
> aside. Our best hope is to show the world the ample evidence of the
> false-flag attack -- and then enlarge that hole until their motives and
> their other crimes are exposed. They cannot withstand public opinion.
> >
> > It is the only strategy I know -- and it is one I will keep
ushing --
> but I must admit, in five years I have not seen the people take what we
> already know and use it to enlighten the world.
> >
> > Charlie Sheen is the best thing that has happened in five years. May
> circumstances favor his efforts.
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washington
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Peden
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> >
> > So, you are saying that it is hopeless?
> >
> > Or do you proscribe a course of action as the internet ad our freedoms
> evaporate all at once?
> >
> > Or are you depending on the masses to rise up when their entertainment
> is taken away?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
> >
> > The plague will not be like the attack on the Pentagon -- it will be
> beyond our ability to investigate.
> >
> > Next the nuclear bomb that will be blamed on Iraq -- because there
will
> be no invasion right away, they are setting Iran up for blame for the
> false-flag nuclear attack -- the bomb that will be blamed on Iran will not
> leave evidence -- and the sudden loss of all freedoms by the declaration
> of martial law, including the shutdown of the internet, will not permit
> investigations of any kind.
> >
> > Or perhaps they will let the internet continue so they can guage our
> thinking and trace our connections -- more for them to lose by cutting us
> off.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Legere
> >
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> > It's amazing what a little awareness can do huh?
> >
> > mikemeyer1964 <mike.meyer@asm.com> wrote:
> >
> > With all of the saber rattling with Iran, I had the following
> > thought. I believe that the 911 Truth Movement has been successful in
> > one key area. While we have not broken through to main stream
> > America, I believe that we have created enough awareness about 911
> > that the gov't has to really think twice before they can stage another
> > False Flag event.
> >
> > The gov't has gotten away with covering up 911 to date, in part
> > because they effectively created a cover story and destroyed the
> > evidence very quickly. With enough people aware of what our gov't is
> > capable of now, if they try another False Flag, there will be a lot of
> > people recording every news station and outlet; video and still
> > camera's everywhere, and a lot more people asking a lot more questions
> > right after the event. It will be more difficult to cover up
> > evidence. I was curious as to everyone's thoughts on what I would
> > call a small success for the movement.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
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> >
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>
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Message 22
From: "Kevin Hammond" sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:36pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: How successful has the 911 truth movement been?
Oh, And my dear brother Naveed, you Sir are off by an hour and 20 minutes on wtc7. it went down at 5 20 pm.
Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote: Good work Kitty. There are many parts of scripture that are very appropriate for this situation. I will look for them. Where in the belt are you by the way? Oh, And you are a TRUE patriot. Keep up the good work. And be careful.
Kevin
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ahh a refreshing post, I was seriously thinking of leaving thanks to eastman's spam.......
What works like a charm on people is when i bring up how many buildings collapsed that fateful day, they respond two.... I say nope, three....building 7 that magically came down at 4 in the afternoon!
to me, its like making a crash belly landing with a 747... gotta be careful with some folks....
kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote:
Would you believe i get remarks like i voted for Bush,because my Daddy
always voted Republican,im talking about a man,my son in-law,says he don't
want to know about anything,he will just vote for Rice,just sends me to
tears.
The old saying don't matter who you vote for,just get out there,and vote is
a bunch of crap !!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
been?
> Kitty -- if someone's not receptive to the info move on -- some people
simply don't want to know the truth. Try to convinve one or two people close
to you so you have someone to work with. And since the mainstream media has
already convinced them that you're crazy for suggesting such a thing, it
might be wise to first discredit the MSM by exposing some of their other
lies, and that might pave the way to having a more receptive 9-11 Truth
audience.
>
> kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote: Kevin,im trying to work the Bible
Belt without my head blown off by a red
> neck !!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Hammond" <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
>
>
> > The internet is NOT ENOUGH. There are millions that do NOT have access.
> We are now getting down to the wire and must pull out ALL of the stops and
> LITTERALLY do EVERYTHING that we can to get this information OUT! The
> alternative is a MASSIVE one world police state the likes of which NO ONE
> here can possibly fathom. PLEASE! everyone one this group that knows
> ANYTHING about 9/11 and false flag terror MUST get out there and educate
as
> many people as possible! Otherwisw we are all up a creek without a
paddle.
> Go to the files section and download flyers and copy them and put them
> EVERYWHERE! Burn copies of dvds and give them out. Do whatever you CAN
to
> get this information OUT!.
> >
> > Kevin
> > www.fightthenwo.org
> >
> > Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
> BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } I have always placed my faith
on
> using the internet to expose to the world what they are and what they have
> done. The 9-11 frameup is a crime big enough that people can't brush it
> aside. Our best hope is to show the world the ample evidence of the
> false-flag attack -- and then enlarge that hole until their motives and
> their other crimes are exposed. They cannot withstand public opinion.
> >
> > It is the only strategy I know -- and it is one I will keep
ushing --
> but I must admit, in five years I have not seen the people take what we
> already know and use it to enlighten the world.
> >
> > Charlie Sheen is the best thing that has happened in five years. May
> circumstances favor his efforts.
> >
> > Dick Eastman
> > Yakima, Washington
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Peden
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> >
> > So, you are saying that it is hopeless?
> >
> > Or do you proscribe a course of action as the internet ad our freedoms
> evaporate all at once?
> >
> > Or are you depending on the masses to rise up when their entertainment
> is taken away?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth movement
> been?
> >
> > The plague will not be like the attack on the Pentagon -- it will be
> beyond our ability to investigate.
> >
> > Next the nuclear bomb that will be blamed on Iraq -- because there
will
> be no invasion right away, they are setting Iran up for blame for the
> false-flag nuclear attack -- the bomb that will be blamed on Iran will not
> leave evidence -- and the sudden loss of all freedoms by the declaration
> of martial law, including the shutdown of the internet, will not permit
> investigations of any kind.
> >
> > Or perhaps they will let the internet continue so they can guage our
> thinking and trace our connections -- more for them to lose by cutting us
> off.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Legere
> >
> > To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] How successful has the 911 truth
movement
> been?
> >
> > It's amazing what a little awareness can do huh?
> >
> > mikemeyer1964 <mike.meyer@asm.com> wrote:
> >
> > With all of the saber rattling with Iran, I had the following
> > thought. I believe that the 911 Truth Movement has been successful in
> > one key area. While we have not broken through to main stream
> > America, I believe that we have created enough awareness about 911
> > that the gov't has to really think twice before they can stage another
> > False Flag event.
> >
> > The gov't has gotten away with covering up 911 to date, in part
> > because they effectively created a cover story and destroyed the
> > evidence very quickly. With enough people aware of what our gov't is
> > capable of now, if they try another False Flag, there will be a lot of
> > people recording every news station and outlet; video and still
> > camera's everywhere, and a lot more people asking a lot more questions
> > right after the event. It will be more difficult to cover up
> > evidence. I was curious as to everyone's thoughts on what I would
> > call a small success for the movement.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+
> countries) for 2¢/min or less.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> >
> >
> > Visit your group "911TruthAction" on the web.
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > 911TruthAction-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > ---------------------------------
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>
>
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>
>
>
>
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>
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Message 23
From: "Kevin Hammond" sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:57pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: I've just banned two posters & this should be end of despicable
I read this zionist propaganda. Funny how there is absolutely NO MENTION of the FACT that it is DOCUMENTED that hamas was and still IS a creation/asset of the Mossad. Hmm. neither did it mention the balfour declaration and how it came about.
kenny318east3 <kenny318east3@yahoo.com> wrote: --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, mann david <dmann51@...> wrote:
>
>
> For what it's worth, you are correct and for the right
> reason. This is the LAST PLACE we need to be reading
> "CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS" (i.e., Nazi) PROPAGANDA !!
- It is commonly assumed that Muslims are "terrorists" and that it's necessary
to kill them in preemptive self-defense.
- In fact there are many people who continue to endorse the idea of sending
US military personnel overseas to subdue the Muslims, in the hope of reining
them in and to neutralize the threat which they allegedly pose to us.
- It's only on rare occasions that people demonstrate any inhibitions or
reservations about discussing the Muslims and their beliefs ...
But then we dare not level any criticism at the Jews.
I would like to know where this double-standard is coming from and how it got
started.
Please check out the radical "shit list" that targets dissident Jewish people for
boycott. http://masada2000.org/shit-list.html
Ken.
> --- Naveed <flanker12k@...> wrote:
>
> > I trust your judgment angie, no disagreements from
> > me. I think i lost track of the number of times I
> > kept telling eastman to make the distinction between
> > jews and zionists.....only once did i retract
> > because he was trying to make a point.
> >
> > Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@...> wrote: No
> > argument from me. he was asked nicely more than
> > just a couple of times to differentiate between
> > judaism and zionism and he failed to do so.
> >
> > Kevin
> > www.fightthenwo.org have you seen my site yet?
> > Please check it out and give me any feedback as I
> > respect your opinion.
> >
> > angiesept11 <angiesept11@...> wrote:
> > I've just banned two posters, Dick Eastman,
> > for his "The Jews did 9-11" post and the
> > poster calling himself "joohistory" who posted
> > something on Adolf Hitler. I unfortunately rarely
> > get a chance to monitor or keep current with this
> > newsgroup for which I have some moderator
> > privileges,
> > and to see this offensive stuff on a rare occasion
> > when
> > I check in is worse that disturbing. Associating
> > any religion with the culprits of 9/11 is worse
> > than stupid, it's evil and I'm disgusted to see it
> > on this list. When I see it, I'll ban it - and
> > this
> > shouldn't be any more cause for discussion either.
> > The topic is 9/11 PERIOD. It shouldn't be necessary
> > to point out that anyone involved in planning
> > the crime has NO true spirituality or religion. I
> > hope
> > this list can be reborn into something where this
> > stuff
> > isn't tolerated. If other moderators disagree, just
> > let
> > me know & I'll be on my merry way because I cannot
> > associate
> > with this filth, nor do I want to see any discussion
> > of it. 9/11 should never be used to further
> > anyone's
> > anti-semitic agenda, nor should this list which is
> > intended
> > to concern 911 truth activism.
> >
> > Angie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Saoirse go deo! www.fightthenwo.org
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> > man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his
> > cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it
> > costs nothing to be a patriot.
> > - Notebook, 1904
> >
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Message 24
From: "angiesept11" angiesept11@yahoo.com
Date: Sat Apr 22, 2006 0:44am(PDT)
Subject: Re: I've just banned two posters & this should be end of despicable
Back to 911, please.
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@...>
wrote:
>
> I read this zionist propaganda. Funny how there is absolutely NO
MENTION of the FACT that it is DOCUMENTED that hamas was and still IS
a creation/asset of the Mossad. Hmm. neither did it mention the
balfour declaration and how it came about.
>
> kenny318east3 <kenny318east3@...> wrote: --- In
911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, mann david <dmann51@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > For what it's worth, you are correct and for the right
> > reason. This is the LAST PLACE we need to be reading
> > "CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS" (i.e., Nazi) PROPAGANDA !!
>
> - It is commonly assumed that Muslims are "terrorists" and that it's
necessary
> to kill them in preemptive self-defense.
>
> - In fact there are many people who continue to endorse the idea of
sending
> US military personnel overseas to subdue the Muslims, in the hope of
reining
> them in and to neutralize the threat which they allegedly pose to us.
>
> - It's only on rare occasions that people demonstrate any
inhibitions or
> reservations about discussing the Muslims and their beliefs ...
>
> But then we dare not level any criticism at the Jews.
>
> I would like to know where this double-standard is coming from and
how it got
> started.
>
> Please check out the radical "shit list" that targets dissident
Jewish people for
> boycott. http://masada2000.org/shit-list.html
>
> Ken.
>
> > --- Naveed <flanker12k@> wrote:
> >
> > > I trust your judgment angie, no disagreements from
> > > me. I think i lost track of the number of times I
> > > kept telling eastman to make the distinction between
> > > jews and zionists.....only once did i retract
> > > because he was trying to make a point.
> > >
> > > Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@> wrote: No
> > > argument from me. he was asked nicely more than
> > > just a couple of times to differentiate between
> > > judaism and zionism and he failed to do so.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > www.fightthenwo.org have you seen my site yet?
> > > Please check it out and give me any feedback as I
> > > respect your opinion.
> > >
> > > angiesept11 <angiesept11@> wrote:
> > > I've just banned two posters, Dick Eastman,
> > > for his "The Jews did 9-11" post and the
> > > poster calling himself "joohistory" who posted
> > > something on Adolf Hitler. I unfortunately rarely
> > > get a chance to monitor or keep current with this
> > > newsgroup for which I have some moderator
> > > privileges,
> > > and to see this offensive stuff on a rare occasion
> > > when
> > > I check in is worse that disturbing. Associating
> > > any religion with the culprits of 9/11 is worse
> > > than stupid, it's evil and I'm disgusted to see it
> > > on this list. When I see it, I'll ban it - and
> > > this
> > > shouldn't be any more cause for discussion either.
> > > The topic is 9/11 PERIOD. It shouldn't be necessary
> > > to point out that anyone involved in planning
> > > the crime has NO true spirituality or religion. I
> > > hope
> > > this list can be reborn into something where this
> > > stuff
> > > isn't tolerated. If other moderators disagree, just
> > > let
> > > me know & I'll be on my merry way because I cannot
> > > associate
> > > with this filth, nor do I want to see any discussion
> > > of it. 9/11 should never be used to further
> > > anyone's
> > > anti-semitic agenda, nor should this list which is
> > > intended
> > > to concern 911 truth activism.
> > >
> > > Angie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Saoirse go deo! www.fightthenwo.org
> > > ---------------------------------
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> > > countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with
> > > Voice.
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
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Message 25
From: "angela mvbride" fourddream@yahoo.com
Date: Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:26am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Jew Talk -- Had enough?
Damn and me thinking Bin Ladin / Bush family money paid for 911.
There are those who sat the zionists are behind it, those who say the British are behind the secret society, those who say the saudies, others germans. Fact is Bush's grandfather was Hiltler's banker and Saudie Bin Ladin money financed his campaign, yet there is enormous amounts of evidence too that the zionists have the most influence on the neo con policy.
The evil is not of religious colour nor cultural but a group of corporatists who aren't interested in either and will use all our cultural and religious differences against us to devide and concour.
The same money is paying to promote the differences on all sides.
As long as you guys keep pointing the fingers at each other your all just acting as they want the sheeple to act.
Don't you get it, we need to unite humanity and stop listening to the properganda that attempts to make us hate.
No, it wasn't the jews,as hitler would have loved us to believe, it's wasn't the russians as they would have had us believe and it wasn't the Japs nor was it the vietnamese nor is it the arabs.
Stop! enough.
Humanity will do just fine when all this evil that is looking real powerful as it reaches critical mass right now finally exceeds critical mass and self destructs.
We'll do just fine when we don't have sabatours among us controling our world and sabotaging our circumstances and poisoning our minds.
This means I agree with that moderator Angie.
A.
Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
The Zionist Jews and their Jew Fellow Travellers are the curse of the
world. The Jews did 9-11 to get the genocidal wars on Arabs using our
ons -- and yet they talk as follows about those who have discovered and put
out the evidence proving their guilt. I doubt we have a chance against evil
so black that has grown so stupendously powerful -- but this side of torture
they cannot get me to wink at their genocides. Justice or death! -- Dick
Eastman
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From: "razl dazl" <razldazl@iinet.net.au>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:38 PM
Subject: [Conspiracy-Theory] Noam Chomsky - More On The Mythical "Israel
Lobby"
*It seems the frothing racists and Judeophobes are quickly running out
of drool even with the much publicised Mearsheimer and Walt's pathetic
and puerile, mini-me "Protocols of Zion" shenanigans.*
*One wonders if any of these Judeophobic dullards have even read a
sentence from that surreptitious but patently transparent piece of
racist garbage.*
*Seems our little cross-dressing wolves in sheep's clothing have quickly
run out of their frenzied huff and puff. Almost a comical replay of
their feverish one-night fellatio dalliance with the violent,
hooker-addicted, mentally unhinged, woman basher, liar, fraud, coke
snorter, adulterer and scumbag, Cheating Charlie Sheen. These dolts
truly are the most pitiably desperate (and tremendously funny),
charlatans -aren't they folks? that one could encounter in cyber land!?*
*And much like their recent romp with their lower-than-dregs hero
Cheating Charlie, they'd take any paid-for whore they could get, except,
and as is plain; they have performed the part of the prostitute themselves.*
As the U.S. and Israel critic, Noam Chomsky politely summed up, in his
own peculiar manner of the mythical "Israel Lobby" carping from the M &
W screeching harpies, "we still have to ask how convincing their thesis
is. Not very, in my opinion."
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The Israel Lobby?
Noam Chomsky
ZNet, March 28, 2006
I've received many requests to comment on the article by John
Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt (henceforth M-W), published in the London
Review of Books, which has been circulating extensively on the internet
and has elicited a storm of controversy. A few thoughts on the matter
follow.
It was, as noted, published in the London Review of Books, which is far
more open to discussion on these issues than US journals -- a matter of
relevance (to which I'll return) to the alleged influence of what M-W
call "the Lobby." An article in the Jewish journal Forward quotes M as
saying that the article was commissioned by a US journal, but rejected,
and that "the pro-Israel lobby is so powerful that he and co-author
Stephen Walt would never have been able to place their report in a
American-based scientific publication." But despite the fact that it
appeared in England, the M-W article aroused the anticipated hysterical
reaction from the usual supporters of state violence here, from the Wall
St Journal to Alan Dershowitz, sometimes in ways that would instantly
expose the authors to ridicule if they were not lining up (as usual)
with power.
M-W deserve credit for taking a position that is sure to elicit tantrums
and fanatical lies and denunciations, but it's worth noting that there
is nothing unusual about that. Take any topic that has risen to the
level of Holy Writ among "the herd of independent minds" (to borrow
Harold Rosenberg's famous description of intellectuals): for example,
anything having to do with the Balkan wars, which played a huge role in
the extraordinary campaigns of self-adulation that disfigured
intellectual discourse towards the end of the millennium, going well
beyond even historical precedents, which are ugly enough. Naturally, it
is of extraordinary importance to the herd to protect that self-image,
much of it based on deceit and fabrication. Therefore, any attempt even
to bring up plain (undisputed, surely relevant) facts is either ignored
(M-W can't be ignored), or sets off most impressive tantrums, slanders,
fabrications and deceit, and the other standard reactions. Very easy to
demonstrate, and by no means limited to these cases. Those without
experience in critical analysis of conventional doctrine can be very
seriously misled by the particular case of the Middle East(ME).
But recognizing that M-W took a courageous stand, which merits praise,
we still have to ask how convincing their thesis is. Not very, in my
opinion. I've reviewed elsewhere what the record (historical and
documentary) seems to me to show about the main sources of US ME policy,
in books and articles for the past 40 years, and can't try to repeat
here. M-W make as good a case as one can, I suppose, for the power of
the Lobby, but I don't think it provides any reason to modify what has
always seemed to me a more plausible interpretation. Notice incidentally
that what is at stake is a rather subtle matter: weighing the impact of
several factors which (all agree) interact in determining state policy:
in particular, (A) strategic-economic interests of concentrations of
domestic power in the tight state-corporate linkage, and (B) the Lobby.
The M-W thesis is that (B) overwhelmingly predominates. To evaluate the
thesis, we have to distinguish between two quite different matters,
which they tend to conflate: (1) the alleged failures of US ME policy;
(2) the role of The Lobby in bringing about these consequences. Insofar
as the stands of the Lobby conform to (A), the two factors are very
difficult to disentagle. And there is plenty of conformity.
Let's look at (1), and ask the obvious question: for whom has policy
been a failure for the past 60 years? The energy corporations? Hardly.
They have made "profits beyond the dreams of avarice" (quoting John
Blair, who directed the most important government inquiries into the
industry, in the '70s), and still do, and the ME is their leading cash
cow. Has it been a failure for US grand strategy based on control of
what the State Department described 60 years ago as the "stupendous
source of strategic power" of ME oil and the immense wealth from this
unparalleled "material prize"? Hardly. The US has substantially
maintained control -- and the significant reverses, such as the
overthrow of the Shah, were not the result of the initiatives of the
Lobby. And as noted, the energy corporations prospered. Furthermore,
those extraordinary successes had to overcome plenty of barriers:
primarily, as elsewhere in the world, what internal documents call
"radical nationalism," meaning independent nationalism. As elsewhere in
the world, it's been convenient to phrase these concerns in terms of
"defense against the USSR," but the pretext usually collapses quickly on
inquiry, in the ME as elsewhere. And in fact the claim was conceded to
be false, officially, shortly after the fall of the Berlin Wall, when
Bush's National Security Strategy (1990) called for maintaining the
forces aimed at the ME, where the serious "threats to our interests...
could not be laid at the Kremlin's door" -- now lost as a pretext for
pursuing about the same policies as before. And the same was true pretty
much throughout the world.
That at once raises another question about the M-W thesis. What were
"the Lobbies" that led to pursuing very similar policies throughout the
world? Consider the year 1958, a very critical year in world affairs. In
1958, the Eisenhower administration identified the three leading
challenges to the US as the ME, North Africa, and Indonesia -- all oil
producers, all Islamic. North Africa was taken care of by Algerian
(formal) independence. Indonesia and the were taken care of by Suharto's
murderous slaughter (1965) and Israel's destruction of Arab secular
nationalism (Nasser, 1967). In the ME, that established the close
US-Israeli alliance and confirmed the judgment of US intelligence in
1958 that a "logical corollary" of opposition to "radical nationalism"
(meaning, secular independent nationalism) is "support for Israel" as
the one reliable US base in the region (along with Turkey, which entered
into close relations with Israel in the same year). Suharto's coup
aroused virtual euphoria, and he remained "our kind of guy" (as the
Clinton administration called him) until he could no longer keep control
in 1998, through a hideous record that compares well with Saddam Hussein
-- who was also "our kind of guy" until he disobeyed orders in 1990.
What was the Indonesia Lobby? The Saddam Lobby? And the question
generalizes around the world. Unless these questions are faced, the
issue (1) cannot be seriously addressed.
When we do investigate (1), we find that US policies in the ME are quite
similar to those pursued elsewhere in the world, and have been a
remarkable success, in the face of many difficulties: 60 years is a long
time for planning success. It's true that Bush II has weakened the US
position, not only in the ME, but that's an entirely separate matter.
That leads to (2). As noted, the US-Israeli alliance was firmed up
precisely when Israel performed a huge service to the US-Saudis-Energy
corporations by smashing secular Arab nationalism, which threatened to
divert resources to domestic needs. That's also when the Lobby takes off
(apart from the Christian evangelical component, by far the most
numerous and arguably the most influential part, but that's mostly the
90s). And it's also when the intellectual-political class began their
love affair with Israel, previously of little interest to them. They are
a very influential part of the Lobby because of their role in media,
scholarship, etc. From that point on it's hard to distinguish "national
interest" (in the usual perverse sense of the phrase) from the effects
of the Lobby. I've run through the record of Israeli services to the US,
to the present, elsewhere, and won't review it again here.
M-W focus on AIPAC and the evangelicals, but they recognize that the
Lobby includes most of the political-intellectual class -- at which
point the thesis loses much of its content. They also have a highly
selective use of evidence (and much of the evidence is assertion). Take,
as one example, arms sales to China, which they bring up as undercutting
US interests. But they fail to mention that when the US objected, Israel
was compelled to back down: under Clinton in 2000, and again in 2005, in
this case with the Washington neocon regime going out of its way to
humiliate Israel. Without a peep from The Lobby, in either case, though
it was a serious blow to Israel. There's a lot more like that. Take the
worst crime in Israel's history, its invasion of Lebanon in 1982 with
the goal of destroying the secular nationalist PLO and ending its
embarrassing calls for political settlement, and imposing a client
Maronite regime. The Reagan administration strongly supported the
invasion through its worst atrocities, but a few months later (August),
when the atrocities were becoming so severe that even NYT Beirut
correspondent Thomas Friedman was complaining about them, and they were
beginning to harm the US "national interest," Reagan ordered Israel to
call off the invasion, then entered to complete the removal of the PLO
from Lebanon, an outcome very welcome to both Israel and the US (and
consistent with general US opposition to independent nationalism). The
outcome was not entirely what the US-Israel wanted, but the relevant
observation here is that the Reaganites supported the aggression and
atrocities when that stand was conducive to the "national interest," and
terminated them when it no longer was (then entering to finish the main
job). That's pretty normal.
Another problem that M-W do not address is the role of the energy
corporations. They are hardly marginal in US political life --
transparently in the Bush administration, but in fact always. How can
they be so impotent in the face of the Lobby? As ME scholar Stephen
Zunes has rightly pointed out, "there are far more powerful interests
that have a stake in what happens in the Persian Gulf region than does
AIPAC [or the Lobby generally], such as the oil companies, the arms
industry and other special interests whose lobbying influence and
campaign contributions far surpass that of the much-vaunted Zionist
lobby and its allied donors to congressional races."
Do the energy corporations fail to understand their interests, or are
they part of the Lobby too? By now, what's the distinction between (1)
and (2), apart from the margins?
Also to be explained, again, is why US ME policy is so similar to its
policies elsewhere -- to which, incidentally, Israel has made important
contributions, e.g., in helping the executive branch to evade
congressional barriers to carrying out massive terror in Central
America, to evade embargoes against South Africa and Rhodesia, and much
else. All of which again makes it even more difficult to separate (2)
from (1) -- the latter, pretty much uniform, in essentials, throughout
the world.
I won't run through the other arguments, but I don't feel that they have
much force, on examination.
The thesis M-W propose does however have plenty of appeal. The reason, I
think, is that it leaves the US government untouched on its high
pinnacle of nobility, "Wilsonian idealism," etc., merely in the grip of
an all-powerful force that it cannot escape. It's rather like
attributing the crimes of the past 60 years to "exaggerated Cold War
illusions," etc. Convenient, but not too convincing. In either case.
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