Thursday, February 09, 2006

SV: [Fwd: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Controlled Demolition Limited Hangout?]

Actually, looking at that video again, it is hard to see clear damage with the
smoke there. I can't even make out the SW corner that was in this picture:
http://www.wtc7.net/docs/June2004WTC7_Page_16_cropped.jpg

How reliable that picture is from the NIST report, I don't know.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> megaupload doesn't work for me.
> My firewall or anti-spyware doesn't like something it does.
>
> Found the file at Plaguepuppy's archive
> http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/
> http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/Bld7.qt
>
> It's the same one Nico publicized.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/7
>
> The only footage from the other side 7 in the act of falling is a detail
> I cut:
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/7/7dust.htm
>
> perpetualynquisitive wrote:
> > Starting at 21 seconds into the video the angle changes to a view of the
> > Southwest side of the building and it shows damage to the South and
West
> > sides of building 7. Watch it again.
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent" <alexldent@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks but that video only shows the north face of WTC7, and I don't
> >> see any damage there. I thought you said you had a video of the south
> >> face.
> >>
> >> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
> >> perpetualynquisitive@ wrote:
> >>
> >>> Here is the clip. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PH1TDVFV
> >>> <http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PH1TDVFV>
> >>>
> >>> Building7 was a 'special' case; it was part of the WTC complex,it
> >>>
> > was
> >
> >>> taller than most of the other heavily damaged buildings and it
> >>>
> > housed
> >
> >>> many gov't agencies and their materials that could not risk being
> >>> compromised by firefighters, EMS workers, etc. going through the
> >>> building.
> >>>
> >>> The movie 'The Siege' contains several memes that parallel 9/11 and
> >>>
> > its
> >
> >>> aftermath, you can see a couple of them on my blog and I have
> >>>
> > several
> >
> >>> more that aren't listed there as well.
> >>>
> >>> The presentation that I am putting together will cover several of
> >>>
> > these
> >
> >>> memes from the Media-Military-Industrial complex.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent" <alexldent@>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I was just checking out your blog and saw your bit about WTC7.
> >>>>
> > But
> >
> >>>> the video you linked to showing heavy damage to the front face of
> >>>>
> > WTC7
> >
> >>>> was gone. Can you post or send me a new link? Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Btw, there very well have been signiifcantly damage to WTC7, but
> >>>>
> > many
> >
> >>>> non-WTC buildings also had bad damage and weren't pulled. But
> >>>>
> > still
> >
> >>>> I'd like to see your video.
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
> >>>> perpetualynquisitive@ wrote:
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SV: [Fwd: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Controlled Demolition Limited Hangout?]

Okay, first, that Megaupload site is a pain in the butt.

Second, I know what you mean now. When I saw that part at first, I wasn't
sure that was WTC7.

Third, there is also this picture
http://www.wtc7.net/docs/June2004WTC7_Page_16_cropped.jpg
that shows alleged damage to the sw corner of wtc7.

I will grant there was damage from the collapse, but I think that the damage
wouldn't have led to the collapse of the building-- certainly we can both agree
it wouldn't have led to the rapid uniform collapse that we saw. Your point
about sensitive materials bein in there is well-taken.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive" <
perpetualynquisitive@...> wrote:
>
> Starting at 21 seconds into the video the angle changes to a view of the
> Southwest side of the building and it shows damage to the South and West
> sides of building 7. Watch it again.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent" <alexldent@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks but that video only shows the north face of WTC7, and I don't
> > see any damage there. I thought you said you had a video of the south
> > face.
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
> > perpetualynquisitive@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Here is the clip. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PH1TDVFV
> > > <http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PH1TDVFV>
> > >
> > > Building7 was a 'special' case; it was part of the WTC complex,it
> was
> > > taller than most of the other heavily damaged buildings and it
> housed
> > > many gov't agencies and their materials that could not risk being
> > > compromised by firefighters, EMS workers, etc. going through the
> > > building.
> > >
> > > The movie 'The Siege' contains several memes that parallel 9/11 and
> its
> > > aftermath, you can see a couple of them on my blog and I have
> several
> > > more that aren't listed there as well.
> > >
> > > The presentation that I am putting together will cover several of
> these
> > > memes from the Media-Military-Industrial complex.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent" <alexldent@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was just checking out your blog and saw your bit about WTC7.
> But
> > > > the video you linked to showing heavy damage to the front face of
> WTC7
> > > > was gone. Can you post or send me a new link? Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Btw, there very well have been signiifcantly damage to WTC7, but
> many
> > > > non-WTC buildings also had bad damage and weren't pulled. But
> still
> > > > I'd like to see your video.
> > > >
> > > > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
> > > > perpetualynquisitive@ wrote:
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YOUSRI FOUDA - Deceiver?

Democracy Now! Top Al-Jazeera Reporter Yousri Fouda On the Media and His Interviews with Al Qaeda Leaders: "YOUSRI FOUDA"

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Investigative reporter Yousri Fouda from Al-Jazeera, the Arabic satellite television station, talks about his interviews with the al Qaeda members behind 9/11 and the danger al-Jazeera correspondents risk in light of the U.S. bombings of networks stations, the killing of correspondents, and the jailing of al-Jazeera reporters. Fouda speaks about the international attitude towards the network as it grows. [includes rush transcript]
Their offices were bombed twice in Afghanistan. Their Baghdad correspondent was killed In Iraq. One of their top correspondents was sentenced to seven years in prison after he was convicted of collaborating with al Qaeda. Their reporter was arrested en route to a summit in Crawford. Their New York correspondents were thrown off the floors of the New York Stock Exchange and NASDAQ. We’re talking about al-Jazeera, the Arabic satellite television station based in Qatar.
Al Jazeera’s programming has been seen as controversial by some in Washington ever since it began broadcasting eight years ago. The network has since grown into a CNN of the Arabic world reaching up to 55 million viewers. They are soon launching a children’s channel, a sports channel, a documentary channel and an English-language channel.
Yousri Fouda, Senior investigative reporter at al Jazeera and host of "Top Secret," one of al Jazeera’s most popular shows. He is the network’s London bureau chief where he is based. He is co-author of the book "Masterminds of Terror: The Truth Behind the Most Devastating Attack the World Has Ever Seen."
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AMY GOODMAN: We are joined now by one of the top network journalists, Yousri Fouda. He is a senior investigative reporter at al Jazeera and host of "Top Secret," one of al Jazeera’s most popular shows. He's the network's London bureau chief and co-author of the book, Masterminds of Terror: The Truth Behind the Most Devastating Attack the World Has Ever Seen. He joins us in our D.C. studio. Welcome to Democracy Now!
YOUSRI FOUDA: Thank you very much.
AMY GOODMAN: It’s great to have you with us. Well, there’s a tremendous amount to talk about, but first why don't you start off with "Top Secret," the program that you do. Why is it called "Top Secret” ?
YOUSRI FOUDA: It’s the first program of its kind. It tries to investigate certain issues. Especially our part of the world is full of hypocrisies and things that are meant to stay behind closed doors and under the table. I have never been short of ideas to investigate, especially in that part of the world. The choice of the title wasn’t mine, I must say; it was the chairman’s. I went for a little bit more humble titles, more conventional ones like “Behind the News” or “The Truth Behind [This or That].” But the chairman when he saw the pilot said, “This is ‘Top Secret.’ We’d like to go on with a series of this type.” So nothing really hot -- nothing very much top secret about the way it’s done, as much as the sort of issues that we’re trying to investigate.
AMY GOODMAN: You interviewed – and the title of your book is Masterminds of Terror: Truth Behind the Most Devastating Terrorist Attack the World Has Ever Seen. Can you talk about your experience going to talk with two al Qaeda leaders who claim responsibility for 9/11?
YOUSRI FOUDA: I didn't know that I would end up interviewing the main mastermind of 9/11 and the coordinator of the operation. Indeed, I didn't have a clue whether indeed I would meet anybody. I went to Pakistan on the strength of a phone call from somebody who said, “We like your show. We were wondering if you were thinking of marking the first anniversary. If so, we could provide you with something exclusive.” That “we” gave me the impression that maybe he's talking in the name of al Qaeda or any group associated with al Qaeda. And in the end, it was my decision to – whether or not I would take the risk. And when I took the decision, nobody knew about it, including my own boss, my own mom. Nobody knew where I was, because I --
AMY GOODMAN: Just based on this one anonymous phone call?
YOUSRI FOUDA: One phone call that was followed by a fax. He asked me for a private fax number so that he could send me a little bit of an outline of what they have on mind, and it was basically an idea. They knew what my show was all about. They knew that my show was about facts and details. I gathered that they were not in for rhetoric, otherwise they would have sought any other colleague of mine who would have a studio-based program, a chat show or maybe they could have taken the easier route, which is send a tape to al Jazeera, and al Jazeera would perhaps broadcast at least some of it.
So we had some sort of an unwritten agreement as to what we were in for. And the fact that even though they might try and send me some rhetoric, I would always have my edit suite back in London. So that reassured me to a certain extent. And at the same time I knew that at the time if you remember to put things in historical context, at the time al Qaeda was very much on the run. They had already lost a lot of their top leaders. The first anniversary was upcoming in a few months, and I thought that they might need to talk to their own people, send the message to the Americans, to the Pakistanis, and in the end I took the decision.
AMY GOODMAN: And so, what did you do?
YOUSRI FOUDA: Well, I followed their instructions. They asked me to go first to Islamabad. I stayed there for a couple nights. Then they called me and said, “Take a flight down to Karachi.” I went there to a certain hotel, and they redirected me to another hotel. Then a guy showed up at my door, and I recognized his voice, that was the guy who called me when I was in London. And from then on it was a long series of – a process of disorientation and -- until I was taken blindfolded to a place I thought at the moment was Karachi, and I was right.
AMY GOODMAN: Didn't he tell you to get into the trunk of his car?
YOUSRI FOUDA: No. That was actually a small error in the book by Hugh Miles. I think he got a little bit excited. No, they didn't put me -- I was sitting in the back of the car, and they blindfolded me rather creatively by putting small cotton balls on my eyes, and following it with sunglasses, so that it looks a little bit more natural. And then when I was taken to this -- what I discovered later to be a safe house, somebody took my blindfolds off, and that was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed himself.
AMY GOODMAN: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
YOUSRI FOUDA: Yes, the mastermind of 9/11.
AMY GOODMAN: How do you know that?
YOUSRI FOUDA: Well, his picture was all over the place. He was on the FBI website, pictures. And there was at the time $25 million on his head. And he introduces himself as the head of al Qaeda Military Committee, which I had no idea about. Nobody had no idea that he had already assumed this position to himself after the killing of Abu Hafs al-Masri, that’s Muhammad Atif, bin Laden’s field man. And then he introduces another guy who was sitting on the floor in another room, Ramzi Binalshibh, the coordinator of the operation.
AMY GOODMAN: And what did they tell you?
YOUSRI FOUDA: Everything. I spent nearly 48 hours with them. In the beginning, of course, it was a lot of criticism, by the way, of al Jazeera, that al Jazeera interviews Israeli officials and Israeli commentators and the rest of it, and al Jazeera doesn't give enough time for the brothers who are in jihad against the infidels and corrupt Arab governments, and I had to listen. And, you know, it was sort of like surprise after surprise after surprise until I ceased to be surprised anymore. They told me about some -- I'm sure they didn't tell me everything, but they told me a lot of details about how they prepared for the operation, who was doing what.
AMY GOODMAN: How did they prepare?
YOUSRI FOUDA: It’s a very long story. I mean, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said they held a meeting back in 1998 and decided to hit America inside America, That was the first decision. And then it was decided -- it was -- they had to think of specific targets, and they moved. Actually they thought of so many targets until they arrived in the end at the targets that were actually hit on 9/11. And then came the recruitment process. The spearhead of the operation was Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar, the two Saudis who arrived in California early 2000 after this so-called summit in Kuala Lumpur.
At the time, Atta was not in the picture. When Atta accidentally, as we were told, and that was confirmed in the 9/11 Commission Report, was discovered accidentally, KSM liked him very much and trusted him very much. He made him the field leader or the ring leader of the operation, and thus Nawaf was demoted to a post of deputy leader. And they had what they called Majlis Shura, consisting of the four pilots plus Alhazmi and Almihdhar, which would take the decision when it came to the fine details, like which flights, what time, who takes which flight, including the zero hour which was left completely to Mohamed Atta and his Majlis Shura or consultative council, so, I mean, everything from the strategy to the small details. But I was rather interested in the small details to fit with the nature of my program.
AMY GOODMAN: Also you were using them to figure out if they were telling the truth?
YOUSRI FOUDA: Yes, of course. I mean, as a fellow journalist, you don't just take things at face value. You also have your own logic, your own background about things, and you can go back and check whether or not a certain piece of information is at least plausible. And they told me the sort of information that could be checked out, like specific emails that left point A to point B on a certain day, phone calls, for instance. And I have no doubt after the broadcast of my program that certain agencies would have gone back and asked Microsoft for the records of this or that. Anyway, we have very, I mean, massive literature of missed opportunities before 9/11, in retrospect, when we look at them now.
AMY GOODMAN: We’re speaking with Yousri Fouda, one of the leading journalists of al Jazeera. He is here in Washington, actually usually based in London. You got out of there -- the filming was done by who?
YOUSRI FOUDA: Al Qaeda cameramen.
AMY GOODMAN: Who were there, who were set up.
YOUSRI FOUDA: Yes, I mean, the deal was that I will show up there, bringing no one, bringing no electronics on me. They would provide for everything. From the moment I arrived at the safe house, nobody left until I left first, and then I don’t know where they went.
AMY GOODMAN: But you didn't leave with the videotape?
YOUSRI FOUDA: No. Again, the deal was that I would do the interview, leave the tapes behind, and then they would find – for them to doctor. And then they would find a way of sending me the tapes. As it turned out, I understand that each of them went back underground, left the tapes with some go-betweens, and in the process, because of what was happening to al Qaeda, they had to rely on people that they didn't quite trust.
It was unlike the days when they were in Afghanistan, when they could choose the kind of people with whom they would be dealing. In Karachi in Pakistan, in general, I suspect that they didn't have much of a choice. So some people in between tried to take advantage of the situation, thinking that, ‘Well, I mean, those guys -- by the time they get word of what was happening, perhaps we can get away with it.’ So they asked me for -- basically blackmailed me into paying them some money so that I can get a hold of my tapes.
AMY GOODMAN: Like $1 million?
YOUSRI FOUDA: Yes, in the beginning it was $1 million. And I said it was a matter of principle for me. But it wasn't only a matter of principle; I’m also a bit of a pragmatic journalist to a certain degree. I knew that they would never dare sell the tapes onto any other party. I don't think people of the caliber of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ramzi Binalshibh would have taken such a personal risk on their own lives for money. They could have asked me before the interview to give them the money. Maybe I would have done it, but after the interview, after they were gone, underground --
AMY GOODMAN: What do you mean you would have done it?
YOUSRI FOUDA: Maybe. Maybe. If I thought that I would come back with something that everybody would learn from, that would explain 9/11, that would make everybody better prepared, maybe for the sake of this, maybe I would have. We pay guests every now and then if we think that they’ve got anything that’s newsworthy that we think that our viewers would be interested in. And it varies from, I mean, some people are paid millions sometimes for an exclusive, right? So it depends. So long as it doesn't contradict with your fundamental ethics as a journalist and as a human being, that’s fine. But the situation then was different. So I refused, and then they asked – there was a bit of a discount. It went down to $17,000. And I said no. It was a matter of principle for me. In the end, when Ramzi Binalshibh knew about what was happening, he tried to salvage something, and he sent me the audio version of my interview with him.
AMY GOODMAN: And that's what you ran?
YOUSRI FOUDA: That's right.
AMY GOODMAN: Tasir Alouni, your colleague in Spain who has been arrested, convicted and sentenced, also interviewed top al Qaeda leaders. Your response?
YOUSRI FOUDA: Well, Tasir, I think he’s a brilliant guy, a very decent guy. I met him a couple of times in the headquarters of al Jazeera. At the time just before 9/11, if you remember those couple of years, he was the only journalist on earth to cover this story. He was basically a walking news agency for everybody. And I think he did a brilliant job over there. I don't really know him on a personal level, and to a certain extent I'm comforted by the fact, although it's not really clear in the minds of most people that -- and the judge actually said – Judge Garzon, I met him in New York accidentally actually last week, and I had a few words to say to him. And he said it in front of everybody -- there was a discussion -- that the sentence had nothing to do with Tasir being a journalist, nothing to do with his work for al Jazeera. It had everything to do with his time in Spain, his alleged relationship to certain people in Spain long before al Jazeera came to be. So that’s -- to a certain extent, I find some comfort on that.
But at the same time, I understand that the legal process is still ongoing and that we are appealing, and al Jazeera is very much backing Tasir, and I hope in the end that would be resolved. I still think that seven years is very harsh. Even given the -- when looking at the charges, I can't really figure out what the exact charge is. I mean, knowing certain people, some of them called him, some of them stayed at his home. That’s before al Jazeera came into being. Even though I still think seven years is very harsh.
AMY GOODMAN: What about the journalists, al Jazeera journalists who have been imprisoned, who have been killed in Iraq? We've just seen the court-martialing of Charles Grainer and Lindy England. Two of our colleagues, Suheib Badr Darwish and Salah Hassan, Iraqi journalists held at Abu Ghraib for two months, actually tortured by this gang of U.S. soldiers, what can you tell us about this?
YOUSRI FOUDA: I think many American journalists and civil libertarians have really talked – and I don't think I will really -- I would be able to add much to them. They’ve got more credibility with the American people as to what Abu Ghraib means to us all. I will single out what it means to the Americans. I think it’s a disgrace, and I think it’s contributed a lot to the discrediting of the war on terror. It's not my words. I take the words of Michael Scheuer, the ex-C.I.A. who actually invented the bin Laden unit. title of his book, How the West is Losing the War on Terror, because of things like this. When you lose the moral high ground, it’s just –
And when I – we’ve just talked about Tasir. When I look at what Lindy England, Sergeant England gets three years for all the filth and dirt that she did in Abu Ghraib and to see Alouni get seven years for suspicions of maybe some contacts with certain people before al Jazeera came to being, it makes me wonder, where are we going from here? You can't pretend that you are out there to protect and preserve the values and the principles of western civilization through compromising the very essence of western civilization, and I think this is the trouble and the problem that the Americans, especially in the wake of 9/11 -- of course, in the beginning it would be very difficult to expect people to be very rational about things, but now that we are more than four years away from that, I think things need to be revised. We need to sit back and look where we're going from here.
AMY GOODMAN: Tariq Ayoub, the killing of your journalist in Iraq, the bombing of al Jazeera twice in Afghanistan, the arrest of your journalists going to cover the Bush-Putin summit at Crawford, do you think that al Jazeera is targeted by the U.S. government and military?
YOUSRI FOUDA: Well, I hope not, at least. When it happened first in Afghanistan, we were told that, you know, “Sorry, that was accidental.” And during the buildup to what happened in Iraq later, my boss at the time wrote to the Pentagon and said, “Well, please do not bomb us accidentally again, should something happen in Baghdad.” And we got no response.
It's -- I don't -- you know, in the absence of information, it would be very -- not very proper on my part to accuse somebody, but when it happens twice, three times, when certain people within certain departments in this country do not really believe in freedom of information and what journalism is all about, when they take cue from and interpret in their way something like what President Bush said in the wake of 9/11, that you are either with us or against us, this is horrifying. I mean, hello, I'm a journalist. Can I stay in the middle? This is what my job is all about. And I think they were probably encouraged by this. They had their own interpretation. But I cannot really point fingers to certain people unless I have all the facts.
AMY GOODMAN: Finally, the English network of al Jazeera is going to start, a lot of people being hired from CNN, from A.P., from BBC, even the former Marine Captain Josh Rushing is going to become a reporter, who got well known in Control Room.
YOUSRI FOUDA: Indeed, and I think it’s going to be a fascinating experience to have – I mean, to the credit of al Jazeera and to the way Arabs look from the other side of the fence at things, I mean, to have Marine co-hosting a show that I think is going to be the flagship of al Jazeera International tells us something about al Jazeera and our culture at the same time. We try to present the world to the best of our knowledge in a fair, objective way. Yes, sometimes certain people don't like that. Sometimes certain people would like you to be on their side. It is understandable. But do not kill the messenger in the end.
I think it’s going to be a great success, although I can still sense that certain people here are a little bit suspicious about it, that al Jazeera is going to be in English. But at least it’s going to be good news for al Jazeera in Arabic. It will at least prove it to people that we don't really have horns on our heads, that the more you know about something, the more understanding and the more appreciative and the more moderate you become, basically. I think ignorance on both sides is the main problem.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, Yousri Fouda, I want to thank you very much for being with us. One of the top journalists of al Jazeera, also author of the book Masterminds of Terror: The Truth Behind the Most Devastating Terrorist Attack the World Has Ever Seen. Thank you.
YOUSRI FOUDA: My pleasure.

Re: SV: [Fwd: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Controlled Demolition Limited Hangout?]

megaupload doesn't work for me.
My firewall or anti-spyware doesn't like something it does.

Found the file at Plaguepuppy's archive
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/Bld7.qt

It's the same one Nico publicized.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/7

The only footage from the other side 7 in the act of falling is a detail
I cut:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/7/7dust.htm

perpetualynquisitive wrote:
> Starting at 21 seconds into the video the angle changes to a view of the
> Southwest side of the building and it shows damage to the South and West
> sides of building 7. Watch it again.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent" <alexldent@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks but that video only shows the north face of WTC7, and I don't
>> see any damage there. I thought you said you had a video of the south
>> face.
>>
>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
>> perpetualynquisitive@ wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the clip. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PH1TDVFV
>>> <http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PH1TDVFV>
>>>
>>> Building7 was a 'special' case; it was part of the WTC complex,it
>>>
> was
>
>>> taller than most of the other heavily damaged buildings and it
>>>
> housed
>
>>> many gov't agencies and their materials that could not risk being
>>> compromised by firefighters, EMS workers, etc. going through the
>>> building.
>>>
>>> The movie 'The Siege' contains several memes that parallel 9/11 and
>>>
> its
>
>>> aftermath, you can see a couple of them on my blog and I have
>>>
> several
>
>>> more that aren't listed there as well.
>>>
>>> The presentation that I am putting together will cover several of
>>>
> these
>
>>> memes from the Media-Military-Industrial complex.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent" <alexldent@>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was just checking out your blog and saw your bit about WTC7.
>>>>
> But
>
>>>> the video you linked to showing heavy damage to the front face of
>>>>
> WTC7
>
>>>> was gone. Can you post or send me a new link? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Btw, there very well have been signiifcantly damage to WTC7, but
>>>>
> many
>
>>>> non-WTC buildings also had bad damage and weren't pulled. But
>>>>
> still
>
>>>> I'd like to see your video.
>>>>
>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
>>>> perpetualynquisitive@ wrote:
>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> >
>>> >>>
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>>>>>> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
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An Empty Vessel Can Be Filled
The Power Of Not Knowing

There is wisdom in not knowing, and it is a wise person who can say, "I don't know." For no one knows everything. There are many types of wisdom - from intellectual to emotional to physical intelligence. Yet, even deemed experts in their fields do not know all there is to know about mathematics, yoga, literature, psychology, or art. It is a true master who professes ignorance, for only an empty vessel can be filled.

There are many things in life that we don't know, and there are many things we may have no interest in finding out. There is freedom in saying "I don't know." When we admit that we don't know something, we can then open ourselves up to the opportunity to learn. And there is power in that. We can't possibly know everything. And when we think we do, we limit ourselves from growing and learning more than what we already do know. A person who can admit to not knowing tends to be more intellectually and emotionally confident than someone who pretends to know everything. They also tend to be more comfortable with who they are and don't feel the need to bluff or cover up any perceived ignorance. People can actually end up appearing more foolish when they act as if they know something that they don't.

We would be wise to respect people who freely admit when they don't know something. They are being honest, with us and with themselves. And we, too, should feel no shame in saying, "I don't know." In doing so, we open ourselves up to the unknown. We can then discover what lies beyond our current levels of understanding. It is the wise person in life that answers questions with a question and inspires the pursuit of internal answers with a funny face, a shrug, and a comical, "I don't know."

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[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1117

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. International Group Finds Bush Junta Guilty
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
2. Best T-Shirt I have EVER seen
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
3. Fwd: 9/11 Operation Crimes Explained
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
4. Re: re: Dear Organizers.....
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
5. getting the mainstream media's attention, one way or another!
From: benjamin pritchard <ben@benjaminpritchard.name>
6. Re: getting the mainstream media's attention, one way or another!
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
7. Notes from Readers - 7
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
8. 200 in Senate told to "Shelter In Place" ? After Nerve Gas Detected !
From: ranger116@webtv.net
9. 9/11 Truth on OPRAH? No, but we can suggest it.
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
10. Re: 200 in Senate told to "Shelter In Place" ? After Nerve Gas Detected !
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
11. Re: 9/11 Truth on OPRAH? No, but we can suggest it.
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
12. Re: Re: To Cathy -Leaderless Resistance: a necessary philosophy for the 21st century
From: mann david <dmann51@yahoo.com>
13. AOL Block Email
From: ranger116@webtv.net
14. Re: Harold, You've Lost This One
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
15. Re: Three Events: Band of Brothers in Washington, D.C., and Senator Cleland in College Park Tomorrow/Rally for Fairness and Justice on Monday!
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
16. Fwd: 9/11 news
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
17. Fwd: 911 Timeline Missing Pieces
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
18. Cities Run Risk of Food Crisis
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
19. Re: Fwd: 911 Timeline Missing Pieces
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
20. Re: Fwd: 911 Timeline Missing Pieces
From: Mark S Bilk <mark@cosmicpenguin.com>
21. RE: 9/11 Truth on OPRAH? No, but we can suggest it.
From: "Eva Walker" <cowgirl269704@msn.com>
22. Capt. May to Prof. Jones (BYU): Good 911 work, doc! Heard of "911 Code" yet?
From: Eric May <captainmay@prodigy.net>
23. 911 LIES: BYU's Dr. Steven Jones Blows the Roof off a Utah Auditorium
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
24. Dr. Steven Jones Blows the Roof off a Utah Auditorium ! 9/11 news
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
25. "Al Qaeda Terrorists" escape.... hmmm...
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:38:29 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: International Group Finds Bush Junta Guilty

Forwarded with Compliments of Free Voice of America (FVOA): Accurate
News and Interesting Commentary for Amerika's Huddled Masses Yearning
to Breathe Free.

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Guilty! International Commission
Delivers Verdicts on Bush Administration

February 7, 2006
revcom.us

It was a historic moment at the National Press Club in Washington, only
blocks from the White House. On February 2, the preliminary findings of
the International Commission on Crimes Against Humanity were read out
by Ajamu Sankofa, executive director of the Physicians for Social
Responsibility-NY and former national secretary of Blacks for
Reparations in America.

Listening to the verdicts, Ray McGovern, a former CIA analyst and
founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, exclaimed:
"This is what our German forbearers in the 1930s did NOT do. They sat
around, blamed their rulers, said 'maybe everything's going to be all
right.'... That is something we cannot do. Because I don't want my
grandchildren asking me years from now, 'why didn't you do something to
stop all this?'"

The findings were based on five days of public testimony in New York in
October and January. The work of the Commission brought together a
unique combination of former government officials, experts in
international law, human rights monitors in the relevant areas, and
victims of the crimes under investigation. It was a Commission of great
legal, ethical, and moral credibility based on its integrity, its rigor
in the presentation of evidence, and the stature of its participants.

On the first charge of committing wars of aggression, the Commission
found: "The evidence is overwhelming that the Bush Administration
authorized and is conducting a war of aggression against Iraq in
violation of international law, including The Nuremberg Principles,
Geneva Conventions of 1949, the United Nations Charter, and the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In doing so, the Bush
Administration has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity."

Former United Nations weapons inspector Scott Ritter was a compelling
witness before the Commission on this issue. Ritter led the
investigation into the defection of Saddam Hussein's son-in-law,
Hussein Kamel:

"Dick Cheney said because of Hussein Kamel's defection the United
Nations, indeed the United States, received evidence that Iraq was
actively reconstituting its nuclear weapons program... Dick Cheney was
lying. Dick Cheney knew that he was lying.... But it is evidence that
the Bush administration willfully exaggerated the threat posed by
Iraq's WMDs, thereby negating any case they might make about the
existence of a clear and present threat that warranted pre-emptive
attack."

The actual conduct of the war was also a major issue investigated by
the Commission, especially the destruction of the city of Fallujah
using white phosphorous and hyperbaric bombs. The Commission saw film
of the bombing of civilians in Fallujah that was truly damning. Shown
was the pilot's camera trained on the ground where people were running
in the street. The pilot asks his controller, "shall I take them out?"
And the controller says, "Yes." The pilot kept a laser focused on the
crowd until a guided bomb exploded in the middle of the running crowd.

The destruction of Fallujah, a city of over 300,000 people, in
retaliation for the death of four U.S. mercenaries, was a vivid
reenactment of a historic war crime � the destruction of the
Czechoslovakian village of Lidice in 1942 by the Nazis in retaliation
for the assassination of a high Nazi official.

On the indictment for illegal detention and torture, the Commission
found: "There was substantial evidence submitted through testimony and
documents that the Bush Administration committed war crimes and crimes
against humanity in conducting its 'War Against Terror.' It did this by
developing and implementing policies and practices that violated
international law and international human rights to force information
from detainees and to punish those whom it believes may be 'enemy
combatants.'"

Barbara Olshansky, from the Center for Constitutional Rights, told the
Commission of an August 2002 memo written for Alberto Gonzales, now
Attorney General: "It talks about what the traditional definitions of
torture are... and it says that a very good case can be made for
redefining torture. And the definition that is recommended in that memo
is that torture really is only when someone is at the risk of complete
organ failure or death. And that is a new definition of torture in the
United States according to this administration. Then the memo proceeds
to...examine all the ways that the government could avoid liability,
even if its actions meet that definition of torture. It is a staggering
document..."

The results of such "legal theories" by the U.S. government at the very
top were described by Brig. General Janis Karpinski (U.S. Army ret.),
the former commandant of the infamous Abu-Ghraib prison in Iraq. After
photographs of the torture of prisoners there were revealed, Gen.
Karpinski entered the cell block where this happened and found a memo
attached to the wall calling for harsher interrogation techniques and
signed by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. In the margin was
handwritten: "Make sure this happens!!" Karpinski went on to testify
that a high-ranking general demanded that Iraqi prisoners be "treated
like dogs."

Craig Murray, former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, provided
particularly chilling testimony on the horrible forms of torture used
by the U.S.'s 'Coalition of Willing' and declared, in a very moving
moment, "I'd rather die than have someone tortured to save my life."

On the indictment for destruction of the global environment: "The
testimony of scientists and the scientific reports and other documents
submitted during the inquiry support a conclusion that the Bush
Administration has committed crimes against humanity by its
environmental policies and practices."

Daphne Wysham, from the Institute for Policy Studies and the
Sustainable Energy and Economy Network gave a searing example: "On June
8, 2005, the New York Times, through whistle-blower Rick Pilz, exposed
[White House official Philip] Cooney as the primary censor of climate
change policy documents at the highest levels of government. Two days
later, Cooney resigned... Cooney and his staff's edits were pervasive
with 100 to 450 changes per report, and shameless. Among the topics the
government doesn't want you to know about are the national and regional
impacts from climate changes, consequences like glacial melting and
floods."

On the indictment for the destruction of New Orleans: "The evidence of
the Bush Administration's conscious and deliberate failings in
preventing the foreseeable devastation, including death toll, caused by
Hurricane Katrina, particularly in New Orleans, and its failure to
respond efficiently and appropriately after the Hurricane was
overwhelming. Its failures constitute crimes against humanity."

The Commission heard stunning testimony that the government knew full
well that New Orleans would be inundated in a major hurricane, and the
President himself knew two days in advance that Katrina would hit New
Orleans. But no efforts were made to evacuate the predominantly poor
and Black masses of the city. As a result, over 1,300 people died on
the Gulf Coast with over 3,000 still missing.

Annette Addison, a Katrina survivor, told her personal story to the
Commission: "So many Army trucks just was driving past us. We even
waved for the Army trucks to help us because we were so desperate. We
was dehydrated. They did not give us any assistance. We even asked the
police for water, and where we could get gas to get out of the city.
The police just looked at us like we was nobody, as though we were
nothing. Many were going into the stores, and they said they were
looters. But to be honest, they was going into stores to survive. It
was people helping people.It was not the Army, it was not the police.
It was not the ones that were in authority to help us. It was just the
community helping each other to survive."

At the February 2 press conference to release the Commission's
preliminary findings, three of the five Commission judges were present,
along with Commission Convener C. Clark Kissinger. In presenting the
preliminary findings (more findings will be presented later), the
judges were emphatic about the criminality of the Bush administration.

Judge Ann Wright, 29-year Army reserve colonel with 16 years in the
State Department as former deputy ambassador in Afghanistan, Mongolia,
Sierra Leone, and Micronesia:

"I believe the Commission is incredibly important for the future of the
United States and really the world, because it's the people of America
who are speaking to these very serious indictments. It's the people who
are coming forward with evidence, their personal testimony in many
cases of things that have happened to them, or cases of their lawyers,
cases they have worked, the human face of what torture is all about,
what detention is about, what war is all about � a war that's conducted
the invasion and occupation of a country that did nothing to the United
States of America."

Judge Abdeen Jabara, board member of the Center for Constitutional
Rights and past president of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination
Committee:

"People who launch a war of aggression are in violation of
international law, have committed crimes against humanity, and that is
the kind of discourse we need to introduce into the United States...
the use of torture in the press often reported as "abuse" rather than
torture. Of course, there is no international convention for the
prevention of abuse, but there is an international convention for the
prevention of torture. So we need to change the way in which these
items are talked about in order to get people to face up to the fact of
what this government is doing."

Judge Jabara closed by pointing to the profound significance of what
Craig Murray, the British ambassador to Uzbekistan, had said. Murray
testified that his government and the American government were OK with
receiving intelligence reports that had been obtained by torture in
Uzbekistan. His superiors in the British foreign service said to him
that, "we don't mind as long as we didn't ask them to do that. We can
still receive this information." Murray then added, "After I heard
that, I understood how some clerk could sign off on these cattle cars
that were going to Auschwitz." That's really what is at stake, Jabara
pointed out. "The use of this torture, the beginning of all these black
sites � all of these things are the road to Auschwitz."

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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:27:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
Subject: Best T-Shirt I have EVER seen

With thanks to a woman named Martha from another group:

I believe in Santa Claus.
I believe in the Easter Bunny.
I believe 19 hijackers carried out 9-11.

I love it, Martha! Can you remember where you got that T-shirt??>>>>

I got it at:

http://tinyurl.com/79q6n

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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:59:37 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: Fwd: 9/11 Operation Crimes Explained

Relayed by Pondo:

From: "Jacob G. Stansbury, Jr." <damor1@cox.net>
Date: February 8, 2006 1:38:38 PM EST
To: <sallie44@fuse.net>, "People's Attorney / Volks-Anwalt Wolfram
"Gr�tz" <Wolfram1@AaaHawk.com> Cc":
Subject: 9/11 Operation Crimes Explained

Someone in another mail group sent me information about a Finnish
Military Officer who has prepared an excellent analysis and summary of
the "9/11 Operation". It illustrates how a mini hydrogen bomb was
probably used to bring down the WTC buildings. He also details the time
required and difficulty of the planned demolition of the buildings. I
consider this among the most informative and important exposure of the
9/11 crimes.

The entire document can be accessed viewed and downloaded from the
following website: http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/military.htm

I have copied the document with photos and created an MSWord document
and folder with graphics that is 4.46MB in size, and zipped it into a
Winzip files that is 4.363MB. I will send the zip to you attached to an
e-mail if you wish. It is printable.

Thanks,
Jake

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:06:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: re: Dear Organizers.....

Thanks so much, Janet, for sharing what you know. It is disconcerting to say the least to hear validation of what to date was only mere speculation on my part. Admittedly, sometimes it is easier to hear that we are wrong... rather than be validated.

On a similar yet related topic, wondering if anyone has had a chance to see the preliminary findings of the Bush Commission? In it's preliminary findings... Not a word (so far at least) about 9/11 nor about our illegal use of DU as a WMD. (altho DU use was mentioned within the indictments). And interesting to note how several on the panel (and at least 1 of the 5 judges) have a personal history of federal "service"....

http://www.bushcommission.org/

janet phelan <jcphelan10@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have had quite a bit of interfacing with the worldcan'twait group here in L.A.Their tactics here have generated some alarm in me.

I have on many occasions attended ICUJP, Interfaith Community United for Justice and Peace, a Friday morning group which sprung up after 911 to address justice and peace issues. The meetings are attended by some heavyweights in the community, including the head of the ACLU in L.A., and numerous pastors, priests and rabbis.

Wordcantwait sent two emissaries to these meetings. These two women proceeded to antagonize, bait and nearly disrupt the morning meeting on several occasions.

I also attended the worldcantwait organizing meetings on several occasions prior to the mobilization last fall. It was my perception and that of several other attendees that the core group was rigid, secretive and unwilling to address some of the central issues that some of us have about the Bush Administration. John diNardo of N.J., who heard Dolly Veale (one of the L.A. worldcantwait group) on the Power Hour, went so far as to relay to me that he believed her to be a "plant."

I appreciate your concern about this group, and your attempts to resolve your own cognitive dissonance concerning what they are really all about.

Janet Phelan


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Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:34:42 -0500
From: benjamin pritchard <ben@benjaminpritchard.name>
Subject: getting the mainstream media's attention, one way or another!

everybody:

check it out:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060208/nyw163.html?.v=34

see ya,
benjamin pritchard

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:32:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: getting the mainstream media's attention, one way or another!

you sir, are FAR braver than myself!

benjamin pritchard <ben@benjaminpritchard.name> wrote: everybody:

check it out:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060208/nyw163.html?.v=34

see ya,
benjamin pritchard

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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:10:54 -0500
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Subject: Notes from Readers - 7

Forwarded with Compliments of Government of the USA in Exile (GUSAE):
Free Americans Proclaiming Total Emancipation and Working Towards
Democracy.

From: "Jacob G. Stansbury, Jr." <damor1@cox.net>
Date: February 8, 2006 1:38:38 PM EST
To: <sallie44@fuse.net>, "People's Attorney / Volks-Anwalt Wolfram
"Gr�tz" <Wolfram1@AaaHawk.com> Cc":
Subject: 9/11 Operation Crimes Explained

Someone in another mail group sent me information about a Finnish
military officer who has prepared an excellent analysis and summary of
the "9/11 Operation". It illustrates how a mini hydrogen bomb was
probably used to bring down the WTC buildings. He also details the time
required and difficulty of the planned demolition of the buildings. I
consider this among the most informative and important exposure of the
9/11 crimes.

The entire document can be accessed, viewed and downloaded from
the following website: http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/military.htm

I have copied the document with photos and created an MSWord
document and folder with graphics that is 4.46MB in size, and zipped it
into a Winzip files that is 4.363MB. I will send the zip to you
attached to an e-mail if you wish. It is printable.

Thanks,
Jake

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From: Maria Gilardin <tuc@tucradio.org>
Date: February 8, 2006 11:32:31 AM EST
To: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: Re: Starve the Beast -- Boycott Its Currency

Hi Pondo,
After seeing the post on the Ithaca Hours I wrote to the founder, Paul
Glover.
I had visited him years ago.
He is doing very interesting work on health co-ops. See below.
Maria Gilardin

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Hello Maria!
Certainly I remember you and our good visit.
After HOURS, I started the Ithaca Health Alliance
http://www.ithacahealth.org which has become the best deal in the
nation for the uninsured. Have since moved to Philadelphia to start
PhilaHealthia, another health co-op, though this has been attacked by
the PA Insurance Dept.
http://www.healthdemocracy.org/philahealthia.html
And a number of other initiatives summarized at
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for community economic development.
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From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Date: February 7, 2006 11:34:28 PM EST
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] AOL to block nonprofit email Please
forward...This is serious

hit them where it hurts

unplug aol account.......

Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:

Now is the time for AOL users to thank their ISP for the advance notice
so that they can begin looking for a provider that doesn�t censor their
mail.

Please note, to get on those lists, you have to opt in. That is, you
are requesting information from them. AOL is already charging you for
the internet access, now they want to charge people to send you mail.

If AOL was to charge all the Spammers that they support, on the other
hand, even GW couldn�t spend all the money AOL would rake in.

Scott


Even if you don't have AOL, please tell them how unfair this is...This
could be the beginning of them all doing this.

Civic and political organizing online is under attack by America
Online. We need to fight back quickly.

MoveOn has prepared an online petition to fight this move. It's at:

http://civic.moveon.org/AOLemail/

The issue: Online political groups, issue groups, charities, and other
non-profits who have large memberships will essentially be priced out
of the Internet.

How? AOL just announced plans to charge groups with large membership
lists every time they send an email, charging what the New York Times
calls the "electronic equivalent of a postage stamp" for EACH
RECIPIENT'S ADDRESS every time an email is sent.

The only way for groups to be sure members receive their emails would
be to pay. If they don't pay, your emails could go into a black hole -
or be "stripped of images and Web links." If AOL succeeds, other
companies will follow - so we need to fight back today.

Silence is assent. Time is short. The radical corporate right is on
the march. Whether or not you're an AOL user, please sign the petition
NOW.

Thanks.

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:16:02 -0500
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: 200 in Senate told to "Shelter In Place" ? After Nerve Gas Detected !

200 in Senate told to "Shelter In Place" ? After Nerve Gas Detected !

Shelter In Place ! ?? (click at bottom)
That sounds like what they told the people in the WTCs when many more
could have escaped Death instead !

That is what they will tell You, When they push, China, Russia etc
into Nuking the USA while "The Bush Gang and Sycophants" Hide in their
currently existing bomb proof underground cities outfitted with every
possible need and luxury for years long stays, Paid for with Your Tax
Dollars.
Russia has many large long term underground shelters for a large
percentage of it's Citizens, But that is the difference in Communism /
Socialism and Capitalism - The Coldest Cruelest form of government /
economy in the world, The Russians were correct when they told their
Citizens about Capitalism and many of them found out the Hard way when
the Soviet Union fell apart and they went directly from Communism to All
for Me screw you Capitalism and live by making vodka out of potatoes in
their bath tub and selling it on the street corner. (Just because they
have a bathtub doesn't mean they actually have a house that it is in)

W*USA 9 News - BREAKING NEWS: Nerve Agent Sensors Sound At Senate
Building
Address:http://wusatv9.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=46632

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:24:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 9/11 Truth on OPRAH? No, but we can suggest it.

http://www2.oprah.com/email/reach/email_showideas.jhtml?_DARGS=/email/reach/email_showideas.jhtml.2

I just had an idea which I acted upon. Since everthing
OPRAH touches turns to gold, I requested she do a show
on 9/11 and what really happened, then added links to
the most convincing evidence I know of.
Hey, it couldn't hurt!

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:29:37 -0800 (PST)
From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 200 in Senate told to "Shelter In Place" ? After Nerve Gas Detected !

This is a CNN (military infiltrated) PsyOP

ranger116@webtv.net wrote: 200 in Senate told to "Shelter In Place" ? After Nerve Gas Detected !

Shelter In Place ! ?? (click at bottom)
That sounds like what they told the people in the WTCs when many more
could have escaped Death instead !

That is what they will tell You, When they push, China, Russia etc
into Nuking the USA while "The Bush Gang and Sycophants" Hide in their
currently existing bomb proof underground cities outfitted with every
possible need and luxury for years long stays, Paid for with Your Tax
Dollars.
Russia has many large long term underground shelters for a large
percentage of it's Citizens, But that is the difference in Communism /
Socialism and Capitalism - The Coldest Cruelest form of government /
economy in the world, The Russians were correct when they told their
Citizens about Capitalism and many of them found out the Hard way when
the Soviet Union fell apart and they went directly from Communism to All
for Me screw you Capitalism and live by making vodka out of potatoes in
their bath tub and selling it on the street corner. (Just because they
have a bathtub doesn't mean they actually have a house that it is in)

W*USA 9 News - BREAKING NEWS: Nerve Agent Sensors Sound At Senate
Building
Address:http://wusatv9.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=46632

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:42:13 EST
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
Subject: Re: 9/11 Truth on OPRAH? No, but we can suggest it.

I did that several weeks ago when she had that 911 victim on who went through
all the money she got and is broke

I'm afraid she's a shill from the last shows I've seen, though...But maybe if
enough work on her she'll change direction?

Marsha

joestokes@sbcglobal.net writes:

> I just had an idea which I acted upon. Since everthing
> OPRAH touches turns to gold, I requested she do a show
> on 9/11 and what really happened, then added links to
> the most convincing evidence I know of.
> Hey, it couldn't hurt!
>

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:01:01 -0800 (PST)
From: mann david <dmann51@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: To Cathy -Leaderless Resistance: a necessary philosophy for the 21st century

Cathy - Please read more carefully. Specially the
mention of the "protocols" reference - Gospel
according to Henry Ford and Adolf Hitler. THE strategy
for imperialism now is the "Clash of Civilizations" -
anti-Semites have a key role to play as do Islamo
Fascists, Christian Fundamentalists, Zionists, etc. A
real rogues gallery. As for the rest of the piece -
fairly commonplace semi "anarchist" verbiage. Very
familiar to those who lived through the 60s and the
farcical "New Left" and counter cultural radicalism.
Huge failure and farce. Just an aside - keep up your
generally wonderful work and posts. Dave

--- Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com> wrote:

> This is superb, Naveed. Each person is fully
> capable of leading for him or herself, and getting
> the info out there without having to have it fed to
> us by an organized bunch seems far more comfortable,
> at least to this activist.
>
> I can not speak for any other person by myself.
> But for me, organizations without structured
> leaderships allow for the spread of un-filtered
> truth and un-compromised activity.
>
> I've been watching groups for a couple of years
> and have virtually dropped out of all except the
> grassroots local efforts who make their own
> decisions in truly democratic fashion. Those are
> the only ones, in my opinion, that allow the people
> to truly lead themselves.
>
> Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is the ONLY way of defeating these
> asshats.....why play by their rules? Leaderless
> Resistance: a necessary philosophy for the 21st
> century
> Saturday, February 04, 2006
>
>
>
http://www.libertythink.com/2006/02/leaderless-resistance-necessary.html
>
>
>
> by "Proemio"
> February 4, 2006
>
> The following is a short description of the basic
> logic behind the idea of "Leaderless Resistance" -
> according to my view. Being short, it obviously
> lacks detail, but then, that is in large part the
> beauty of the concept. Each individual can easily
> tailor a unique approach, while pursuing a common
> goal. Since we don't need to sell a lie, it is not
> necessary to have a 'dear leader' specifying uniform
> talking points and/or actions.
>
> Once familiar with Leaderless Resistance, we can get
> acquainted with WOC (Withdrawal Of Consent), LR's
> natural, and equally fascinating mate - the one
> providing the punch.
>
>
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>
> What we know - because it stares us in the face:
>
> 1) The most hopelessly confused nations today have
> endless organizations, organisms and committees on a
> 'community' level, not to mention the all permeating
> political apparatus.
>
> 2) All these structures are either created or soon
> infiltrated and/or subverted by a species of virtual
> clones, who's main talent (usually the only talent)
> is to twist words into intricate pretzels.
> Intriguing to look at but unsafe to ingest.
>
> 3) These verbal 'virtuosi' are backed by unlimited
> financial resources. Their masters - not what
> masquerades as our governments - create the stuff
> out of thin air - as needed.
>
> 4) Our so called governments have been turned into
> simple enforcer pretzels by and for the same
> masters. If you don't think the communitarian
> groupthink, you are unelectable - even for dog
> catcher.
>
> 5) Community as an organic structure has virtually
> ceased to exist. The only time we see our neighbors
> is at highly manipulated 'community' events, over
> the obligatory, precisely specified fence - or in
> court.
>
> etc.
>
>
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>
> Losing strategies - playing their game:
>
> 1) Waste valuable energy in building formal
> organizations. In no time the organization will be a
> pretzel. (see above)
>
> 2) Waste valuable energy in trying to battle verbal
> pretzels. It will only get you exhausted and
> frustrated. Even if you conclusively prove a point,
> you'll find that you have to start all over again in
> the morning.
>
> 2) Hitch on to anointed 'leaders', because that
> obviously implies an organization.1
>
> 3) Take a gun and run up the steps of the Capitol
> (unless a million others just happen to be in the
> same neighborhood, and are similarly inclined).4
>
>
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>
> Leaderless Resistance = asymmetric warfare:
>
> 1) Relax. As the saying goes: "Rome wasn't built in
> one day". We are talking about a totally paranoid
> tyrannical borg, who's depending largely on blowing
> smoke, with a head start of centuries (give or take
> a few millennia : ).
>
> 2) Relax, have a coffee and think about the 'genius'
> of the scams. You'll soon realize, that any two bit
> scumbucket could dream them up, were he so inclined
> (ever been to a board meeting?)
>
> 3) Relax, have a cigar (best make it Cuban to avoid
> paying tribute/taxes), and find ways to express in
> simple terms the convoluted word salad, used by the
> 'chosen' experts to describe the act of stealing the
> shirt of your back (we all heard the senator say:
> "It's sooo complicated EVEN I don't understand it,
> but proudly voted for it).
>
> 4) Relax, and make it an entertainment to spot the
> stuff between the lines, and the direction of the
> overall context (I'm working on a guide to parse
> words for fun and 'profit'). If you have to engage
> the opposition, learn how to speak over their head,
> directly to the gallery. It's easy and very
> effective. In fact, it's likely the only thing worth
> learning from them without becoming them.
>
> 5) Relax, we are getting to the stunning concept
> part. Use what comes out of point 3, 4 and your own
> creativity, on every occasion that presents itself -
> including, but not limited to Internet forums. Do
> not over excert yourself (produces errors) and stick
> with what you know, be confident in your knowledge
> and always, always be brutally honest.2
>
> 6) Withdraw consent, and encourage others to do the
> same whenever possible. As mentioned at the start,
> that concept requires a major discussion in itself.
>
> LR works, because:
>
> Millions of unique approaches towards a common goal
> cannot be infiltrated nor can they all be subverted.
> Trying to do so will tire out and deflate the enemy
> in relatively short order. That is really all we
> need to accomplish. Leave the murderous hatred to
> those who do it naturally - it stifles creativity,
> is exhausting and makes us bitter and hard to get
> along with, when we most need to get along.
>
> We have to understand, that our adversaries are
> truly convinced of our inferiority. To them, getting
> up in the morning for anything other than power,
> money, status and control (over others), is
> incomprehensible. Just as with their obsession with
> 'dear leaders', we have countless ways of turning
> that pathology to our advantage. Their
> self-assurance is about as solid as the smoke they
> blow.3
>
> With this approach, we can discuss background
> details all day long (obviously not names, places
> and dates), without leaving the adversary any wiser.
> In the contrary, it will drive them beyond just
> being nuts...
>
>
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>
> Footnotes:
>
> 1. Leaderless, does not preclude role models, focal
> points or wells of wisdom, but without the cultish
> crap. If you study historical accounts of successful
> liberation actions, you will find that the action
> started broadly, long before the emergence of what
> would become the official legend in the subsequent
> accounts. We must not forget, that 'dear leaders'
> are often designated by our tribalistic adversaries,
> simply because they cannot function without a
> figurehead. Witness the consternation, when the
> Resistance in Iraq did not dissipate after the
> elimination of Saddam. That limit of cognizance is
> one of their great weaknesses.
>
> 2. Reclaiming some organic sense of community, by
> talking to your neighbor, friend, acquaintance or
> coworker/business partners at their level. This is
> by no means meant in a condescending way. For the
> most part, I don't subscribe to the "hopeless sheep"
> idea. I bet most (all?) of us at some point would
> have fit that description. Your fellow men may be
> overwhelmed with trying to build a family and a
> career at the same time. Talking to them about the
> Protocols
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:34:15 -0500
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: AOL Block Email


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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:53:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Harold, You've Lost This One

What is this hogwash?! Post it again and you will be banned. Go elsewhere and post this dribble. Can you read?! The name of this group is 911TRUTHACTION!

bdavis_27607 <bdavis_27607@yahoo.com> wrote: To HAC:

You're not going to want to hear this, Harold, but it's time someone
said it.

Harold, you need to hang up the anti-homosexuality crusade. You've
ALREADY LOST.

It isn't your fault that you've lost, it's the fault of two
generations of Jewish social conditioning that has brainwashed the
overwhelming majority of white people to accept these perverts
as "gays" who just have a "different choice of lifestyle." They are
portrayed in the media as harmless, funny eccentrics and a poor
persecuted minority and only horrible wicked bigoted people are
against them, big meanies that we are. The John Wayne Gacies and the
AIDS and the gross facts of what homosexuals actually DO are simply
air-brushed out of the picture. You and I are of probably the last
generation that knows any better. Anyone under forty doesn't. Anyone
under forty has seen these people all over their TV and movie
screens, and even those who do feel differently are afraid to
criticize them because of the "hate" laws giving them special
privileges and special protected status.

You are especially tilting at windmills trying to do anything about
faggotry in Great Britain. The British upper classes have always been
queer as a three pound note and they've been fucking each other in
the ass for centuries, ever since the public schools opened up three
hundred years ago. And all British "nationalist" leaders are upper-
class wannabes. They all think they're the Duke of Bumbleshire or
Gladstone or something. Winston Churchill once described the Royal
Navy Tradition as "Rum, Buggery, and the Lash."

If you keep up with this anti-homo kick you're just going to convince
everyone under forty that you're an obsessed kook and a queer
yourself. (I'm sure you've noticed that the fags always smear their
critics with the accusation that the critics are "repressed" faggots
themselves.)

Like it or not, white people today DO accept this perversion as
just "one of those things" and they are not shocked or offended by
it. In order to feel the truly healthy revulsion that normal males
feel for this nauseating perversion, you apparently have to be raised
in the old school like you and I were, and that school closed its
doors around 1970 or so. That Aryan Alpha gene you refer to really
does seem to be gone from our makeup.

Just concentrate on your Migration and your NPA, keep the fags away
from the Northwest, but don't SAY OUT LOUD that you're doing it. You
don't want to get a reputation as "anti-gay" because like it or not,
the "modernizers" have won. You can keep them out without SAYING
that's what you're doing.

Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

Regards,
Brad

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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:04:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Three Events: Band of Brothers in Washington, D.C., and Senator Cleland in College Park Tomorrow/Rally for Fairness and Justice on Monday!

This group is about exposing the truth and lies of 911. Not the UNdemocratic party and their nwo nonsense. Dont post it again.

"J.A. Kei." <plentyazz@hotmail.com> wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } (If you have not yet signed up for our new LINK to replace Meetup.com, please do so. Our new LINK solution will help us get ready for the year so we can Take Back Our Country from the radical vestiges of our country. You can sign up for DEMOCRACY for Maryland's LINK at: http://www.dfalink.com/maryland. Depending upon where you reside or want to become active, I can refer you to a LINK -- a group of people with a Web mechanism for collaboration -- where you can become active in that specific jurisdiction. Hit me back, if you want more information.)

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Band of Brothers 2006

If you need an inspiration, go here: http://www.duckworthforcongress.com/my_story.html

As you may not yet know, 50 DEMOCRATIC veterans, including Maryland's own Captain Mishonda Baldwin and Captain Andrew Duck, will be descending on the steps of the Capitol on Wednesday, 8.February. They will be joined by Representative Murtha, Senator Kerry, and Senator Cleland as a bloc to show the country ... and the world ... they are patriotic and they are OFFENDED by the swift boat-type advertisements that were run against Congressperson Murtha.

For more information on the Wednesday, 8.February, event, go to: http://www.bandofbrothers2006.org/

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The University of Maryland, College Park, College of Behaviour and Social Sciences, and The Democracy Collaborative invite you to an evening with former Senator and VIET NAM Veteran, Max Cleland, to discuss the world role of the U.S.A. in this time of the Wars in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN. The Senator is a decorated veteran of the VIET NAM Conflict and triple amputee. Senator Cleland was President Jimmy Carter's Secretary (counterpart) of the Veterans Administration from 1977 to 1981 and represented Georgia in the U.S. Senate from 1996 to 2002.

"After Iraq: Restoring America's Positive Role in the World"

A Question and Answer session, moderated by former U.S. Ambassador to Romania, Jim Rosapepe, will follow.

8.February, 7:00 p.m.

University of Maryland, College Park, Art-Sociology Building

R.S.V.P.: (301) 405-0656 or SGonzales@GVPT.UMD.edu

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Rally for Fairness and Justice for Maryland's GLBTI Citizens and their Families

A rally will proceed at Lawyer's Mall outside the State House in Annapolis on 13.February, at 5:00 p.m. Throughout the day, you can lobby your legislators and people you think will make a difference.

Though the Legislature ARRESTed the referendum on Friday, 3.February, for the measure that would have been placed on the ballot this election year, we will be rallying for additional measures to protect gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people and their families and supporting legislation for those families. We celebrated the decision in January, when the Baltimore judge ruled Maryland's law banning same-gender marriage "cannot withstand constitutional challenge".. Last year approximately 1,000 people attended this lobby day; and through that, we passed some very significant legislation that was VETO-ed by our "moderate" governor. We need to double that number this year in order to begin to put together an army to eject that governor from office in November!

to Look Up Your Legislators: http://www.equalitymaryland.org/legislative/index.htm

for Lobbying Tips: http://www.equalitymaryland.org/legislative/factsheets/EQMD_Fact_LobbyingTips.pdf

for Fact Sheets: http://www.equalitymaryland.org/legislative/2006/lobbyday/2006_lobby_day_issues.htm

Sign Up: http://www.equalitymaryland.org/lobbyday2006.htm. Send a mail to Patrick at EqualityPGC@Hotmail.com, if you want to help get people to Annapolis that day.


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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 01:44:39 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: Fwd: 9/11 news

Relayed by Pondo:

From: Rick Davis <rdavis@yin.or.jp>
Date: February 8, 2006 7:12:00 PM EST
To: Pine Ponderosa <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: 9/11 news

Pondo,

Alexander Cockburn at CounterPunch, of all people, has an article in
CP's latest newsletter touching on the 9/11 coverup. Perhaps he is
coming around...

The information may well be of use to the 9/11 research community, so
I'm sending a copy of the newsletter.

Rick

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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:10:37 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: Fwd: 911 Timeline Missing Pieces

Relayed for assessment by Pondo:

From: Henri the Celt <henrithecelt@gci.net>
Date: February 9, 2006 3:52:31 AM EST
To: AAAHenri <henrithecelt@gci.net>
Subject: 911 Timeline Missing Pieces

911 Timeline
Missing Pieces

By Jon Carlson
carlson.jon@att.net
2-9-6 http://www.rense.com/general69/911ms.htm

Thanks to the Naudet brothers and French Intel, their camera caught the
first mass murderous act of 9/11 at the North Tower. The White Jet,
seen at all 9/11 locations by cameras and witnesses, started out the
day remote controlling an empty Boeing 737, NOT the American Airlines
Flight 11 Boeing 767. The plan was to fly the white jet immediately
above the 737 to hide its presence from ground observers.

HOWEVER,this photo caught the White Jet separating from the Boeing 737
moments before it crashed into the North Tower:

----------

View the RENSE article, The 911 North Tower Air Show, for the complete
photo sequence:

http://www.rense.com/general69/911hh.htm

After the discovery of the North Tower formation flying, four so-called
investigative reporters were emailed: Greg Palast (Interesting but
would you like to buy my book?); Michael Ruppert (You may be right but
I don,t think it will bring down the mass murderers.); Michael Rivero
of www.whatreallyhappened.com (Not interested); Paul Thompson (Please
send all of NT video frames pronto AND, by the way, I noticed a white
jet at the South Tower crash that I would like your help identifying.)

Amazing that none of these investigative, reporters to this day have
given their readers the scoop on 9/11 but Paul Thompson, not his real
name by the way, was under the thumb of someone else and wasn,t free to
tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. However, at the time he
did say the work would be posted. It never was.

This is the photo of the South Tower crash Paul Thompson was referring
to:

----------

The biggest problem in identifying the white jet was its apparent
stationary position in this photo. Michael Rivero thought it was a
helicopter but Paul Thompson insisted it was a small jet. He was right.
After Web Fairy sent the video this frame was captured from it was
crystal clear that the US Navy, the CIA, and the Bush Administration
had a BIG problem: a rapidly moving white jet at the South Tower crash:

----------

This photo shows the white jet making a shadow on the North Tower:

----------

Another video shot from across the river showed the military
helicopter, the white jet, and the Boeing 737. Paul Thompson said that
video is called the Japanese Tourist video but he thought the moving
object was a bird,:

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Third.html

Paul Thompson had another ACE up his sleeve: the napalm bombs on the
South Tower Boeing 737, again NOT the United Flight 175 Boeing 767.

----------

The identification of the South Tower Boeing 737 engine that landed in
the NYC street was covered in the RENSE article, The Rest Of The 9/11
Street Engine Story:

http://www.rense.com/general64/wth.htm

Photos supporting the case that the Federal Government Napalmed the
World Trade Center Towers on 9/11 can be seen in the RENSE article,
South Tower Exit Wounds Tell 911 Tale:

www.rense.com/general67/911uu.htm

AND Positive ID - The 911 South Tower Airliner 'PODS':

http://www.rense.com/general68/poss911.htm

Paul discovered that a mainstream Spanish Newspaper had scientifically
analyzed the objects, attached to the understructure. Here is Paul,s
posting at Democratic Underground on June 24, 2003 (NOTE the date as it
shows when this research was conducted.):

"A very curious article has just come out in La Vanguardia, one of the
biggest and most respected newpapers in Spain. If what the article says
is true, it may provide verifible evidence that 9/11 was a MIHOP (make
it happen on purpose) plot using remote control.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?
az=show_thread&om=6918&forum=DCForumID71

RENSE has saved the article:

http://www.rense.com/general41/spain.htm

Not only did the Spanish University analysis show the napalm bombs in
3D but a Planar antenna (for remote control) stood out on the vertical
tail stabilizer as well as two remote control blade antennas on the
underbody neither typical for a 767, (or a 737). The blade antennas
were used by the white jet to bring the empty 737 to Manhattan Island.
Final guidance into the towers was by a military helicopter in position
above the South Tower. For more information see the RENSE article,
Second 911 ST Airliner Remote Control Antenna Verified:

http://www.rense.com/general63/secnd.htm

This photo shows the South Tower military helicopter and its remote
control Planar antenna on the nose again not typical for the Bell 212
military helicopter:

----------

OK, so none of this analysis showed up on the 9/11 Timeline. WHY NOT?
There is no solid evidence but a suspicion and good circumstantial
evidence that Paul Thompson was under the thumb of Al Gore.

Al Gore August 7, 2003 Speech:
After the analysis with Paul Thompson was completed during July, 2003,
Al Gore came out and hammered Bush after a year silence after the
stolen 2000 elections:

http://www.algore.org/index.php?
option=com_content&task=view&id=72&Itemid=84

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030818/gore

SO WHY DIDN'T GORE RAT ON THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FOR DOING
9/11???????????

More solid circumstantial evidence that Clinton and Gore had
foreknowledge of 9/11 and made quick trips to Australia and Austria to
set up their alibis. Just the similar spellings of those countries may
be a clue that they were in a big hurry. See the RENSE article, On
911...An Ill Wind Blew Clinton To Australia:

www.rense.com/general69/on911.htm

DON'T MISS more 9/11 analysis and photos that the NY Times finds NOT
FIT TO PRINT:

Hunt The Cherokee - The 9/11 Pentagon Impact
http://www.rense.com/general69/hunt911.htm

The 911 North Tower Air Show
http://www.rense.com/general69/911hh.htm

Professor Jones Teaches Tucker About 911
http://www.rense.com/general68/911nul.htm
German Intel Agent Von Bulow Solves 9/11
http://www.rense.com/general68/911jh.htm
Positive ID: The 9/11 South Tower Airliner 'PODS'
http://www.rense.com/general68/poss911.htm
FBI Claims 84 Videos Show NO Flight 77 Impact
http://www.rense.com/general67/fbicl.htm

9/11 Flight 93 Passengers 'Lost'
http://www.rense.com/general67/911pass.htm
The 9/11 Pentagon Engine Story
http://www.rense.com/general67/911eng.htm
The 911 North Tower Demolition Explained
http://www.rense.com/general67/9118.htm
The Rest Of The 911 Flight 93 Story
http://www.rense.com/general67/rest911.htm
South Tower Exit Wounds Tell 9/11 Tale
http://www.rense.com/general67/911uu.htm
Dirty Little 9/11 Secrets Exposed
http://www.rense.com/general66/dirt.htm
Bush Responds To 911 Fireworks
http://www.rense.com/general66/ressp.htm

Hollywood-like Fake Smoke Made 9/11
http://www.rense.com/general65/911mir.htm
WTC 7 Smoke & Mirrors On 9/11
http://www.rense.com/general65/911m.htm

CBC 9/11 Video Secrets Revealed
http://www.rense.com/general65/911b.htm

911 CNN Reports Boeing 737s Struck WTC
http://www.rense.com/general65/911h.htm
Sneak Preview - 911 Pentagon Tapes
http://www.rense.com/general64/911et.htm
The Rest Of The 9/11 Street Engine Story
http://www.rense.com/general64/wth.htm
NYC Photos, Flight 93 Witnesses Identify 9/11 White Jet
http://www.rense.com/general64/white.htm
On 9/11 An Ill Wind Blew to Booker School
http://www.rense.com/general63/wte.htm
WTC Jet Engine Confirmed NOT From Boeing 767
http://www.rense.com/general63/wtcc.htm
Second 911 Remote Control Antenna Verified
http://www.rense.com/general63/secnd.htm
Avionics Expert-A 911 Remote Control Lesson for PM
http://www.rense.com/general63/remo.htm
WTC Cutter Charges Clearly Visible
http://www.rense.com/general63/cutt.htm
Real 911 Science For PM - The ST Airliner Photo
http://www.rense.com/general63/st.htm
PM Claims Landing Gear Made Pentagon 12 Foot Hole
http://www.rense.com/general63/pmm.htm
PM Missed NASA 911-type Airliner Crash 20 Years Ago
http://www.rense.com/general63/pm.htm
Is Popular Mechanics Hiding 911 NYC Engine In Street Photo?
http://www.rense.com/general63/hiding.htm
Missing Pentagon Jet Engine Identified?
http://www.rense.com/general63/ident.htm
Missing Pentagon Unobstructed Citgo Videos
http://www.rense.com/general63/unob.htm

Photos, information of the Saab 105 SK60 military jet.

http://user.tninet.se/~xpz458v/SAAB105-SK60_english.htm

http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/text/60saab105.html

LET'S STOP KIDDING OURSELVES! No Arab group planned or perpetrated
9/11! It was simply the most startling act of
terrorism - among many others - of our own government AGAINST ITS OWN
PEOPLE... with the gleeful cooperation of
Israel and the International Criminal Conspiracy of the self-Chosen.
However, this� time the act of terrorism was so blatant
and undeniable that it has created a worldwide mass psychological
tsunami! The American dollar, the source of strength for
International Zionism, is collapsing against gold, silver, copper and
other essential commodities. Let's call it the 9/11 GOLD
BULL MARKET and watch it go! It won't stop until the criminals are
brought to justice! It's an info war! Forward this article to
the world!� henrithecelt@gci.net

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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:15:24 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: Cities Run Risk of Food Crisis

Forwarded with Compliments of Government of the USA in Exile (GUSAE):
Free Americans Resisting the Fourth Reich on Behalf of All Species.

From: Tim Barton <tim_decenter@yahoo.com>
Date: February 9, 2006 5:13:36 AM EST
To: _BlueGreenEarth Forum <bluegreenearth@yahoogroups.com>, Mark
_Thomas <mark-thomas@gbnet.net>
Subject: [bluegreenearth] Wasteful London runs risk of food crisis

Wasteful London Runs Risk of Food Crisis

Juliette Jowit, environment editor
Sunday January 1, 2006
The Observer:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1676062,00.html

London and other big cities risk a food crisis because they are too
dependent on imported produce grown using chemicals, Britain's leading
organic farming pressure group will warn this week.

The Soil Association will mark its 60th anniversary by holding its
annual conference in London to draw attention to what it calls the
'crisis' of feeding cities, which use up 75 per cent of the planet's
environmental resources. The choice of London is, it believes, a way of
reaching beyond its farming base to urban dwellers.

The association has calculated that London uses the environmental
resources of an area 120 times its own size - equivalent to all the
productive land in Britain. Thus its 'footprint' on the planet is far
larger than its actual size. The biggest drain is the appetite of most
of London's 7.5 million inhabitants for food grown with chemical
fertilisers and pesticides, produced with great quantities of fossil
fuels. Another key issue is that 80 per cent of the capital's food is
imported, which uses even more barrels of oil. This makes London and
other major conurbations 'extremely vulnerable' to a rise in fuel
prices or any extensive disaster, from hurricanes to a bird flu
pandemic, which would cut off supply chains, said Peter Melchett, the
Soil Association's policy director. 'London is typical of large cities
around the world,' he said. 'Behind the complacency of attitude
stemming from over 50 years of global trade in cheap, anonymous food
lies a chilling reality. If oil became really scarce or expensive, or
global conflict reduced food availability, most of the world's cities
would reach crisis point within weeks.'

The conference will urge people to demand that more food be produced
and processed near where they live. The association is campaigning with
celebrity chef Jamie Oliver for school meals to be locally sourced and
organic, and near-London suppliers have been given preference at an
artisan and organic market to be held in the capital after the
conference next Sunday.

Native animal breeds are also being promoted because the demand for
meat has exacerbated the intensity of fuel use to grow and transport
animal feed around the world. 'The words organic and sustainable
agriculture are the same thing; they are synonymous,' said Patrick
Holden, the association's director.

In the short term, locally sourced food would be more expensive, but
in the long run it would be 'better value', especially if rising oil
prices pushed up chemical and transport costs, said Holden.

Spending on food has fallen from just below 30 per cent of household
income in the 1970s to about 10 per cent, he said. 'For the vast
majority of us it's a choice issue, not an income issue. And for those
in the food poverty trap it's heavily processed [food they buy] ...
they are not buying the best value food,' he added.

In London, food accounts for only 6 per cent of spending for
high-income households and 26 per cent for the lowest-income homes.
Other figures released by the Soil Association show that Londoners
spend �11 billion a year on food and that 500,000 people are employed
in the food, drink and catering sectors. On the other hand, farming
contributes only 0.25 per cent of the city's annual wealth generation,
and employs only 0.03 per cent of its workforce.

Each year half a million tonnes of London's food ends up as waste in
landfill, decomposing to release methane, one of the most potent gases
blamed for climate change. The conference will also discuss using human
sewage as fertiliser. Treated human waste, heated to kill off harmful
pathogens, is already used on conventional farms but has been banned by
the European Union on organic farms since 1993. The use of human sewage
as fertiliser is supported by the Soil Association and by Thames Water,
which is sponsoring the conference.

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4586 or www.soilassociation.org.
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:08:24 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: Re: Fwd: 911 Timeline Missing Pieces

Dear Mark,
Thanks very much for this. I'm glad I didn't send it to my main
list.
Regards,
Pondo

On Feb 9, 2006, at 7:31 AM, Mark S Bilk wrote:

> Hi Keith,
>
> Here's my assessment. Jon Carlson is a bullshit artist closely
> associated with Karl W B Schwarz, the guy who says he opposes
> Bush's wars while at the same time saying he's trying to sell
> high-altitude recon platforms to the U.S. military to help them
> target and kill what Schwarz calls "the enemy" in Iraq, in other
> words, the Iraqis trying to defend their country against the
> murderous U.S. invaders.
>
> Some have suggested that Carlson may even be an alternate e-mail
> identity (a "sock-puppet") used by Schwarz, so Schwarz can appear
> to have at least one supporter.
>
> Carlson's claim that a JT8D engine was found in front of the
> Pentagon is nonsense. The photographed object he claims is an
> engine is actually a smashed construction trailer. The only
> thing it has in common with the photo of an actual jet engine that
> he shows is that both have some vertical lines in their images.
>
> There is no "white jet" visible in the frame from the Naudet video,
> incoming_1200.jpg. The big white spot is simply a reflection of
> sunlight from the tail of the plane. The rest of the plane looks
> smaller than it was because the fuselage was foreshortened and only
> the central portion of the wings were visible because of low
> magnification, poor focus, and interlaced scanning. That can all
> be seen in this nice blowup of the relevant section of the Naudet
> video, made by Eric Salter. Download it and view it at one-tenth
> speed, e.g. using mplayer. There is no separate white object.
>
> http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/wtc/WTC1hitzoom.mov
>
> As to the WTC2 hit, by that time there naturally were various
> aircraft flying around the area, so there is no basis for claiming
> that one of them was controlling the 767.
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 05:10:37AM -0500, Keith Lampe wrote:
>> Relayed for assessment by Pondo:
>>
>> From: Henri the Celt <henrithecelt@gci.net>
>> Date: February 9, 2006 3:52:31 AM EST
>> To: AAAHenri <henrithecelt@gci.net>
>> Subject: 911 Timeline Missing Pieces
>>
>> 911 Timeline
>> Missing Pieces
>>
>> By Jon Carlson
>> carlson.jon@att.net
>> 2-9-6 http://www.rense.com/general69/911ms.htm
>> �
>>
>> Thanks to the Naudet brothers and French Intel, their camera caught
>> the
>> first mass murderous act of 9/11 at the North Tower. The White Jet,
>> seen at all 9/11 locations by cameras and witnesses, started out the
>> day remote controlling an empty Boeing 737, NOT the American Airlines
>> Flight 11 Boeing 767. The plan was to fly the white jet immediately
>> above the 737 to hide its presence from ground observers.
>>
>> HOWEVER,this photo caught the White Jet separating from the Boeing 737
>> moments before it crashed into the North Tower:
>>
>> View the RENSE article, The 911 North Tower Air Show, for the complete
>> photo sequence:
>>
>> http://www.rense.com/general69/911hh.htm
>>
>> After the discovery of the North Tower formation flying, four
>> so-called
>> investigative reporters were emailed: Greg Palast (Interesting but
>> would you like to buy my book?); Michael Ruppert (You may be right but
>> I don,t think it will bring down the mass murderers.); Michael Rivero
>> of www.whatreallyhappened.com (Not interested); Paul Thompson (Please
>> send all of NT video frames pronto AND, by the way, I noticed a white
>> jet at the South Tower crash that I would like your help identifying.)
>>
>> Amazing that none of these investigative, reporters to this day have
>> given their readers the scoop on 9/11 but Paul Thompson, not his real
>> name by the way, was under the thumb of someone else and wasn,t free
>> to
>> tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. However, at the time
>> he
>> did say the work would be posted. It never was.
>>
>> This is the photo of the South Tower crash Paul Thompson was referring
>> to:
>>
>> The biggest problem in identifying the white jet was its apparent
>> stationary position in this photo. Michael Rivero thought it was a
>> helicopter but Paul Thompson insisted it was a small jet. He was
>> right.
>> After Web Fairy sent the video this frame was captured from it was
>> crystal clear that the US Navy, the CIA, and the Bush Administration
>> had a BIG problem: a rapidly moving white jet at the South Tower
>> crash:
>>
>> This photo shows the white jet making a shadow on the North Tower:
>>
>> Another video shot from across the river showed the military
>> helicopter, the white jet, and the Boeing 737. Paul Thompson said that
>> video is called the Japanese Tourist video but he thought the moving
>> object was a bird,:
>>
>> http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Third.html
>>
>> Paul Thompson had another ACE up his sleeve: the napalm bombs on the
>> South Tower Boeing 737, again NOT the United Flight 175 Boeing 767.
>>
>> The identification of the South Tower Boeing 737 engine that landed in
>> the NYC street was covered in the RENSE article, The Rest Of The 9/11
>> Street Engine Story:
>>
>> http://www.rense.com/general64/wth.htm
>>
>> Photos supporting the case that the Federal Government Napalmed the
>> World Trade Center Towers on 9/11 can be seen in the RENSE article,
>> South Tower Exit Wounds Tell 911 Tale:
>>
>> www.rense.com/general67/911uu.htm
>>
>> AND Positive ID - The 911 South Tower Airliner 'PODS':
>>
>> http://www.rense.com/general68/poss911.htm
>>
>> Paul discovered that a mainstream Spanish Newspaper had scientifically
>> analyzed the objects, attached to the understructure. Here is Paul,s
>> posting at Democratic Underground on June 24, 2003 (NOTE the date as
>> it
>> shows when this research was conducted.):
>>
>> "A very curious article has just come out in La Vanguardia, one of the
>> biggest and most respected newpapers in Spain. If what the article
>> says
>> is true, it may provide verifible evidence that 9/11 was a MIHOP (make
>> it happen on purpose) plot using remote control.
>>
>> http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?
>> az=show_thread&om=6918&forum=DCForumID71
>>
>> RENSE has saved the article:
>>
>> http://www.rense.com/general41/spain.htm
>>
>> Not only did the Spanish University analysis show the napalm bombs in
>> 3D but a Planar antenna (for remote control) stood out on the vertical
>> tail stabilizer as well as two remote control blade antennas on the
>> underbody neither typical for a 767, (or a 737). The blade antennas
>> were used by the white jet to bring the empty 737 to Manhattan Island.
>> Final guidance into the towers was by a military helicopter in
>> position
>> above the South Tower. For more information see the RENSE article,
>> Second 911 ST Airliner Remote Control Antenna Verified:
>>
>> http://www.rense.com/general63/secnd.htm
>>
>> This photo shows the South Tower military helicopter and its remote
>> control Planar antenna on the nose again not typical for the Bell 212
>> military helicopter:
>>
>> OK, so none of this analysis showed up on the 9/11 Timeline. WHY NOT?
>> There is no solid evidence but a suspicion and good circumstantial
>> evidence that Paul Thompson was under the thumb of Al Gore.
>>
>> Al Gore August 7, 2003 Speech:
>> After the analysis with Paul Thompson was completed during July, 2003,
>> Al Gore came out and hammered Bush after a year silence after the
>> stolen 2000 elections:
>>
>> http://www.algore.org/index.php?
>> option=com_content&task=view&id=72&Itemid=84
>>
>> http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030818/gore
>>
>> SO WHY DIDN'T GORE RAT ON THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FOR DOING
>> 9/11???????????
>>
>> More solid circumstantial evidence that Clinton and Gore had
>> foreknowledge of 9/11 and made quick trips to Australia and Austria to
>> set up their alibis. Just the similar spellings of those countries may
>> be a clue that they were in a big hurry. See the RENSE article, On
>> 911...An Ill Wind Blew Clinton To Australia:
>>
>> www.rense.com/general69/on911.htm
>>
>> DON'T MISS more 9/11 analysis and photos that the NY Times finds NOT
>> FIT TO PRINT:
>>
>> Hunt The Cherokee - The 9/11 Pentagon Impact
>> http://www.rense.com/general69/hunt911.htm
>>
>> The 911 North Tower Air Show
>> http://www.rense.com/general69/911hh.htm
>>
>

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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 04:31:37 -0800
From: Mark S Bilk <mark@cosmicpenguin.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: 911 Timeline Missing Pieces

Hi Keith,

Here's my assessment. Jon Carlson is a bullshit artist closely
associated with Karl W B Schwarz, the guy who says he opposes
Bush's wars while at the same time saying he's trying to sell
high-altitude recon platforms to the U.S. military to help them
target and kill what Schwarz calls "the enemy" in Iraq, in other
words, the Iraqis trying to defend their country against the
murderous U.S. invaders.

Some have suggested that Carlson may even be an alternate e-mail
identity (a "sock-puppet") used by Schwarz, so Schwarz can appear
to have at least one supporter.

Carlson's claim that a JT8D engine was found in front of the
Pentagon is nonsense. The photographed object he claims is an
engine is actually a smashed construction trailer. The only
thing it has in common with the photo of an actual jet engine that
he shows is that both have some vertical lines in their images.

There is no "white jet" visible in the frame from the Naudet video,
incoming_1200.jpg. The big white spot is simply a reflection of
sunlight from the tail of the plane. The rest of the plane looks
smaller than it was because the fuselage was foreshortened and only
the central portion of the wings were visible because of low
magnification, poor focus, and interlaced scanning. That can all
be seen in this nice blowup of the relevant section of the Naudet
video, made by Eric Salter. Download it and view it at one-tenth
speed, e.g. using mplayer. There is no separate white object.

http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/wtc/WTC1hitzoom.mov

As to the WTC2 hit, by that time there naturally were various
aircraft flying around the area, so there is no basis for claiming
that one of them was controlling the 767.

Mark

On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 05:10:37AM -0500, Keith Lampe wrote:
>Relayed for assessment by Pondo:
>
>From: Henri the Celt <henrithecelt@gci.net>
>Date: February 9, 2006 3:52:31 AM EST
>To: AAAHenri <henrithecelt@gci.net>
>Subject: 911 Timeline Missing Pieces
>
>911 Timeline
> Missing Pieces
>
>By Jon Carlson
>carlson.jon@att.net
>2-9-6 http://www.rense.com/general69/911ms.htm
>�
>
>Thanks to the Naudet brothers and French Intel, their camera caught the
>first mass murderous act of 9/11 at the North Tower. The White Jet,
>seen at all 9/11 locations by cameras and witnesses, started out the
>day remote controlling an empty Boeing 737, NOT the American Airlines
>Flight 11 Boeing 767. The plan was to fly the white jet immediately
>above the 737 to hide its presence from ground observers.
>
>HOWEVER,this photo caught the White Jet separating from the Boeing 737
>moments before it crashed into the North Tower:
>
>View the RENSE article, The 911 North Tower Air Show, for the complete
>photo sequence:
>
>http://www.rense.com/general69/911hh.htm
>
>After the discovery of the North Tower formation flying, four so-called
>investigative reporters were emailed: Greg Palast (Interesting but
>would you like to buy my book?); Michael Ruppert (You may be right but
>I don,t think it will bring down the mass murderers.); Michael Rivero
>of www.whatreallyhappened.com (Not interested); Paul Thompson (Please
>send all of NT video frames pronto AND, by the way, I noticed a white
>jet at the South Tower crash that I would like your help identifying.)
>
>Amazing that none of these investigative, reporters to this day have
>given their readers the scoop on 9/11 but Paul Thompson, not his real
>name by the way, was under the thumb of someone else and wasn,t free to
>tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. However, at the time he
>did say the work would be posted. It never was.
>
>This is the photo of the South Tower crash Paul Thompson was referring
>to:
>
>The biggest problem in identifying the white jet was its apparent
>stationary position in this photo. Michael Rivero thought it was a
>helicopter but Paul Thompson insisted it was a small jet. He was right.
>After Web Fairy sent the video this frame was captured from it was
>crystal clear that the US Navy, the CIA, and the Bush Administration
>had a BIG problem: a rapidly moving white jet at the South Tower crash:
>
>This photo shows the white jet making a shadow on the North Tower:
>
>Another video shot from across the river showed the military
>helicopter, the white jet, and the Boeing 737. Paul Thompson said that
>video is called the Japanese Tourist video but he thought the moving
>object was a bird,:
>
> http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Third.html
>
>Paul Thompson had another ACE up his sleeve: the napalm bombs on the
>South Tower Boeing 737, again NOT the United Flight 175 Boeing 767.
>
>The identification of the South Tower Boeing 737 engine that landed in
>the NYC street was covered in the RENSE article, The Rest Of The 9/11
>Street Engine Story:
>
>http://www.rense.com/general64/wth.htm
>
>Photos supporting the case that the Federal Government Napalmed the
>World Trade Center Towers on 9/11 can be seen in the RENSE article,
>South Tower Exit Wounds Tell 911 Tale:
>
>www.rense.com/general67/911uu.htm
>
>AND Positive ID - The 911 South Tower Airliner 'PODS':
>
>http://www.rense.com/general68/poss911.htm
>
>Paul discovered that a mainstream Spanish Newspaper had scientifically
>analyzed the objects, attached to the understructure. Here is Paul,s
>posting at Democratic Underground on June 24, 2003 (NOTE the date as it
>shows when this research was conducted.):
>
>"A very curious article has just come out in La Vanguardia, one of the
>biggest and most respected newpapers in Spain. If what the article says
>is true, it may provide verifible evidence that 9/11 was a MIHOP (make
>it happen on purpose) plot using remote control.
>
>http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?
>az=show_thread&om=6918&forum=DCForumID71
>
>RENSE has saved the article:
>
>http://www.rense.com/general41/spain.htm
>
>Not only did the Spanish University analysis show the napalm bombs in
>3D but a Planar antenna (for remote control) stood out on the vertical
>tail stabilizer as well as two remote control blade antennas on the
>underbody neither typical for a 767, (or a 737). The blade antennas
>were used by the white jet to bring the empty 737 to Manhattan Island.
>Final guidance into the towers was by a military helicopter in position
>above the South Tower. For more information see the RENSE article,
>Second 911 ST Airliner Remote Control Antenna Verified:
>
>http://www.rense.com/general63/secnd.htm
>
>This photo shows the South Tower military helicopter and its remote
>control Planar antenna on the nose again not typical for the Bell 212
>military helicopter:
>
>OK, so none of this analysis showed up on the 9/11 Timeline. WHY NOT?
>There is no solid evidence but a suspicion and good circumstantial
>evidence that Paul Thompson was under the thumb of Al Gore.
>
> Al Gore August 7, 2003 Speech:
>After the analysis with Paul Thompson was completed during July, 2003,
>Al Gore came out and hammered Bush after a year silence after the
>stolen 2000 elections:
>
>http://www.algore.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=72&Itemid=84
>
>http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030818/gore
>
>SO WHY DIDN'T GORE RAT ON THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FOR DOING
>9/11???????????
>
>More solid circumstantial evidence that Clinton and Gore had
>foreknowledge of 9/11 and made quick trips to Australia and Austria to
>set up their alibis. Just the similar spellings of those countries may
>be a clue that they were in a big hurry. See the RENSE article, On
>911...An Ill Wind Blew Clinton To Australia:
>
>www.rense.com/general69/on911.htm
>
>DON'T MISS more 9/11 analysis and photos that the NY Times finds NOT
>FIT TO PRINT:
>
> Hunt The Cherokee - The 9/11 Pentagon Impact
> http://www.rense.com/general69/hunt911.htm
>
>The 911 North Tower Air Show
>http://www.rense.com/general69/911hh.htm
>

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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:15:19 -0700
From: "Eva Walker" <cowgirl269704@msn.com>
Subject: RE: 9/11 Truth on OPRAH? No, but we can suggest it.

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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:31:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric May <captainmay@prodigy.net>
Subject: Capt. May to Prof. Jones (BYU): Good 911 work, doc! Heard of "911 Code" yet?

Dear Professor Jones,

My compliments on your fine efforts to lead the American People to the truth of things concerning the 911 scam. Your message, as I have derived it from your fine article of a few months ago (on the impossibility of the 911 myth) and recent news releases, is right on!

I'm putting you in the BCC's of this very public email, which will be read by thousands of my internet readers, and will hopefully expand both your and their insights into the 911 scam and the methods by which it and other false terror events are scheduled.

I'm a former Army intelligence and public affairs officer who has been researching the 911 myth and other areas of cover-up. Candidly, I hadn't a clue about the 911 set-up until I was contacted by a former Marine officer, Capt. Jeff Cross, who was a 911 witness, and who told me forcefully that what the media represented wasn't the real story, and that the real story was a set-up.

Interestingly, the truth of 911 struck me on 3/11/2004, the day of the Madrid bombings. The internet was soon abuzz with the fact, unreported by the mainstream media, that there were 911 days between 911 and 311. Add to that the square-root/square of the two numbers, 9 & 3, and you have the beginning of a cryptanalytic look at the an "embedded code" of events. Perhaps you've heard of it yourself. For example, the days between the Bali Bombings of 10/12/2002 and London 7/7/2005 is 999 -- a most interesting coincidence, once you start working the notion that the bunch of conspirators who are working behind the scenes have a code that works on 3's, 9's and 11's!

Taking it a bit further, there are reverse-911 codes in recent memory, and they aren't trivial. Consider the 11/9 bombings of Amman, Jordan, 119 is 911, backwards. The mainstream media says that the Amman Jordan bombings were Al-Qaeda, but it would appear to be Israel that benefited from the blast, which killed top Palestinian intelligence officers, resulted in the removal of the Jordanian government and the promotion of the former ambassador to Israel as prime minister.

The same reverse-911 sequence works for the most recent Bin Laden bogey man tape, which was issued on 1/19 (911 backwards, again!), and we could say that on 119 Bin Laden threatened another 911! This kind of palindromic game is just another part of coding, and once we admit that there is a code, we are on the way to cracking it.

I've worked extensively on the code with my cyber-intelligence collective, Ghost Troop (made up of vets, cyberjournalists and peace activists), and have picked up some familiarity with it. I hope that you will take some interest in it, as well, and perhaps encourage some of your eager students and colleagues to take a look at my work in the area to see whether they can expand and refine it. I am not a crypto intel officer by training; rather, I was trained to be a Russian-language and Russian-intel specialist. Accordingly, I think of the code as a language, told by numbers as vocabulary, grammar and syntax. I'm sure that there is much more in the code than I am able to extract, but I've been able to extract enough to make some quite accurate predictions, all involving what we of Ghost Troop think will be the next 911 -- something we code as the "Nuclear 911" or "9112B" (as in the 911-to-be, which the mainstream media are preparing us for with their repeated statements that it's
not a matter of IF, but of WHEN).

We believe that the follow-up 911 event is indeed not a matter of IF, but of WHEN -- since the government that did the first 911 needs a follow-up act to continue with the emergency empowerment scenario that allows them to wage war abroad and withdraw domestic freedoms at home. I believe that the connection of 911 to 9112B vital to the work of the American Resistance of scholars, professionals, veterans and activists, and believe that the code we've detected is the damning evidence that shows that the traitors who set up 911 are working, one coded event after another, to 9112B.

Incidentally, my Mormon friends are quick to chime in that my code analysis isn't really strange to them. The speak often of the phrase "secret combinations" from the Book of Mormon, as a synonym for "conspiracies." To them, it seems to be no great feat to accept that secret combinations use secret codes. This is always the way with secrecy. Nor are they shocked by the notion that the code is embedded into the mainstream media via numbers. After all, they point out, the media said that it was going to be "embedded" at the beginning of the war, and this was a bit of verbal code for "we're going to carry embedded code."

As we of Ghost Troop have just finished issuing and publicizing an alert against 9112B, the Nuclear 911, I attach an email of yesterday giving linked references to the work -- and confirmations -- that underlay our predictions. Texas City, Texas was the target we were defending, and as you'll see from the link, the Galveston County Daily News published a story shortly afterward that argues strongly in favor of our scenario. It's no great stretch, once you've learned that the Bush Cabal set up 911 as part of a preconceived plan, to figure that the next major "event" in that plan has to be prepared in an area in which Bush influence is strong, and we've found that Texas City, a petro-town in the Houston Metropolitan Area, is a perfect target, from the traitors' point of view. I hope you'll pass along our work: http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/ghosttroop/message/5643

Best regards,

Captain Eric H. May, MI / PAO, USA
CO, Ghsot Troop, 3/7 Cybercav+
Mission of Conscience / Patriots in Action

PS: If you want to know more about Ghost Troop and how we formed -- originally without any interest in the 911 matter -- please refer to the short press release at http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=6479. Should you want to hear an interview from the middle of January that shows how we've used the code to predict in the past, and future, kindly refer to: http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=16127

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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:47:20 EST
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
Subject: 911 LIES: BYU's Dr. Steven Jones Blows the Roof off a Utah Auditorium

>
>
> <A HREF="http://mujca.com/jonesphysics.htm">http://mujca.com/jonesphysics.htm</A>
>
> BYU’s Dr. Steven Jones Blows the Roof off a Utah Auditorium by Philip
> Sherman Gordon

> On Wednesday, February 1, a quiet, “churchy-looking” gentleman in a white
> shirt and tie walked into a packed auditorium on the campus of Utah Valley
> State College and electrified the room like a rock star. The 150-seat
> auditorium was filled to capacity, with every seat occupied, and people sitting in the
> aisles from the stage floor to the back of the room. Video cameras on
> tripods lined the back row. Two documentary-film crews were in attendance, in
> addition to the school’s camera crew, and various independent journalists.
> Seven “spill-over” rooms, with seating for 40-50 each, were also filled to
> capacity. On this very conservative campus (in the most conservative county in
> the most conservative state in the union), where community leaders pulled out
> all the stops in 2004 to prevent Michael Moore from speaking as part of his
> anti-Bush, pro-Kerry “Slacker Uprising Tour,” Dr. Ste Dr. Jones argues that
> the physics behind the government’s explanation of the collapse of the Twin
> Towers on September 11 do not make sense, and that a better (and perhaps only)
> explanation for their collapse was that they were demolished, exactly the way
> structural engineers bring down large buildings, by pre-positioned explosive
> devices set off in precise sequences. He argues that the 650 degree Celsius
> temperature of burning jet fuel would not have been hot enough to even bend
> the steel girders of the WTC Towers, let alone to melt or evaporate them, as
> recovered beams indicate. And even if it was hot enough to evaporate the
> steel, the towers should not have collapsed as they did, pancaking so perfectly
> into their own footprints. On the rare times when such structures have failed
> (always due to earthquakes), they have toppled over sideways. The towers
> would have had to have been per And on it went, point by point, for almost two
> hours. Nothing about the physics of “what we know” about 9/11 seemed to add
> up. And all that’s not to mention the mysterious collapse of the forgotten
> WTC-7, the third steel-frame building that imploded due to fire, not only
> that day, but in the history of architectural design--the building that was not
> hit by a plane, that was surrounded by other buildings equally impacted but
> structurally undamaged by the collapse of the towers, that, with no jet fuel
> or violent impact, but allegedly due to a small number of scattered “debris
> fires,” collapsed, pancaking perfectly into its own footprint, looking exactly
> like video images of buildings being demolished by pre-positioned explosive
> devices. Playing the one available video of WTC-7 collapsing at slow speed,
> Dr. Jones used his laser pointer to indicate the explosive “squibs” clearly
> seen shooting It is a devastating presentation, and one could feel the
> disequilibrium of 150 minds reeling at once. The defining moment of contemporary
> American experience suddenly lost its definition. What is the meaning of 9/11?
> What really happened that day? If these things are true, the implications
> clearly point to some kind of “inside job” involving the government of the
> United States of America. (The Department of Defense, the FBI, and the CIA
> all had offices in the mysteriously collapsed WTC-7. Is it reasonable that
> outside terrorists could have infiltrated that building and filled it with
> explosives? ) If the WTC was brought down by pre-positioned explosive devices,
> somehow facilitated and covered up by the government, it would be the most
> audacious conspiracy in human history. When before have so many people been so
> spectacularly bamboozled, with so much de And that is the problem Dr. Jones is
> facing with his research. People have knee-jerk reactions to “conspiracy
> theories,” at least to the ones that do not make it into their established and
> trusted news outlets. And the mainstream media, so far, despite a blip or
> two in the New York Times, is taking a pass on this story. Yes, my skeptical
> friends believe that the Bush administration cynically smeared the war records
> of both John Kerry and John McCain during the 2000 presidential election
> through the use of shill agencies. Yes, they believe there was suppression of
> black voters in Florida, and other schemes to cheat their way into the White
> House in the 2000 election. Yes, they believe the administration conspired to
> rig the intelligence they used to justify their invasion of Iraq. Yes, if
> they are regular readers of The New Yorker, they believe that the elect These
> are hardcore leftists who refuse to even entertain the question of whether
> science supports the conclusion that the planes brought the towers down. “Too
> many people would have to know about it for them to get away with it,” one
> friend said. “They’re not that smart,” said another. “It’s just not
> plausible,” said a third. The issues raised by Professor Jones are not breaking
> along standard political fissures. People’s relative amounts of skepticism and
> credulity, rather than their political affiliations, seem to determine their
> openness to giving the professor’s analysis a hearing. Jones himself claims
> to have been a lifelong Republican, but now affiliates with no political
> party. The audience Wednesday night was definitely not the usual suspects of
> progressive professors and pierced and tattooed activists and students who
> regularly gather to share criticism of If Dr. Jones’s work ever breaks into the
> mainstream media, and the rest of the country reacts the way the Utah County
> audience reacted, traditional political divisions will evaporate like steel
> beams exploded with thermite, and the whole lot of them, the Democrats and the
> Republicans, will be swept away, along with the military-industrial complex
> that has apparently managed to subvert the constitution of these United States
> and to con the American public, mesmerized by the shock of 9/11 and
> hypnotized by spell-binding incantations of freedom and patriotism, into going along
> with their mad plans for world domination.

>

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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:26:48 -0000
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
Subject: Dr. Steven Jones Blows the Roof off a Utah Auditorium ! 9/11 news

9/11 News : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#911

� BYU's Dr. Steven Jones Blows the Roof off a Utah Auditorium - Dr.
Jones argues that the physics behind the government's explanation of
the collapse of the Twin Towers on September 11 do not make sense, and
that a better (and perhaps only) explanation for their collapse was
that they were demolished, exactly the way structural engineers bring
down large buildings, by pre-positioned explosive devices set off in
precise sequences.

� Hinchey says Bush didn't want to capture Bin Laden - When the US
didn't capture Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, it wasn't by mistake,
Congressman Maurice Hinchey of Hurley theorized.

� Proof Positive - Neocons & 911 - Yes. In civil cases and espionage
cases and fraud cases, such evidence would result in indictments and
convictions. Why not then, in the case of 911, where over 3,000
persons were executed?

� The Bombs In The WTC - A Possible Schematic - The actual towers
were much taller and the observed arch of destruction of the
energy-directed thermonuclear device was correspondingly more narrow.

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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:00:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
Subject: "Al Qaeda Terrorists" escape.... hmmm...

Al Qaeda terrorists "escaping" as possibly an inside job? Gee.. nahhh... ya think??? Hmmm... Maybe those slippery devils are on their way as stowaways in the bottom of an olive oil boat wingin' their way back home to Buffalo with a nuke bomb in their back pocket. Or maybe they've hijacked a 757 and are going to bomb dive down, en masse, in a Kamakaze suicide mission into one of the 13 nuke power plants in Illinois?

Gee, those slippery rascal Al Qaeda escapees! Wouldn't ya think that since at least 13 of the 23 are known "Al Qaeda Terrorists" and all, somebody important in the prison would have been watching over them?

23 sure is a whole helluva lot of prisoners to lose in a mosque while holy men are in their chanting their religious songs. I'm sure that 23 prisoners in their midst wouldn't have stood out or anything.
Warships aid search for Yemeni escapees From Barbara Starr
CNN Washington Bureau
Thursday, February 9, 2006; Posted: 10:55 a.m. EST (15:55 GMT)

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Terrorists tunnel out of a Yemeni prison (2:07)

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� Timeline: Al Qaeda attacks
� Explainer: Terror alert system
� Graphic: U.S. intelligence
� Special Report



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- International warships under the command of the U.S. Navy moved Thursday into waters off Yemen, attempting to block possible escape routes for 23 prisoners who escaped last week, a senior U.S. military official said.

The ships, stationed about 14 miles (22 kilometers) offshore, will patrol busy international waters near Yemen.

The vessels moved into the area within the last 48 hours. They are under the command of the U.S. Navy Central Command in Bahrain. (Map of region)

Interpol, the international crime-fighting organization, has said that at least 13 of the 23 who escaped prison Friday were "convicted al Qaeda terrorists, some of whom were involved in attacks on U.S. and French ships in 2000 and 2002."

Among the escapees were the reputed mastermind of the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole, Gamal Ahmed Badawi, and Jaber Elbaneh, a U.S. citizen. (Watch where officials think the fugitives might go -- 1:41 )

Badawi was sentenced to death in September 2004 for orchestrating the Cole attack while it was docked in Aden, Yemen. Seventeen sailors were killed and 39 others wounded when two suicide bombers detonated an explosives-laden boat next to the destroyer.

Elbaneh is charged in the United States with providing material support to terrorists and was a member of a cell near Buffalo, New York, the FBI said.

Elbaneh, 39, dodged the fate of six of his counterparts, who pleaded guilty to terrorism-related charges in 2003 and are serving seven- to 10-year sentences in federal prison.

The United States has offered a $5 million reward for information leading to the arrest of Elbaneh, who is suspected of traveling with the other six men to Afghanistan to train at an al Qaeda camp.

"Elbaneh is considered dangerous and is a threat to the U.S. and its interests. The FBI will work with its domestic and international partners to locate and arrest Jaber Elbaneh," FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said.

If the fugitives are not caught in the next month, the United States may have to reconsider its presence in Yemen, which includes an embassy and small military contingent in Sanaa, according to the senior sources.

The longer they remain at large, the greater the security risk to Americans inside Yemen, the sources said.
Escape an inside job? Investigators are exploring the possibility that the recent jailbreak was an inside job involving members of the Yemeni security forces, said sources familiar with the investigation.

Some of the prison staff have been detained for questioning, sources said.
The prisoners escaped through a 150-yard (140-meter) tunnel to a nearby mosque. Government-supported Yemeni newspapers have reported that inmates chanted inside the prison to mask the sound of digging, and officials at a nearby mosque were aware of the digging but ignored it.

Interpol has issued an "international blue notice" for the escapees, clearing the way for other nations to detain the men even if there is no formal arrest warrant.

CNN's Terry Frieden and Elise Labott contributed to this report.


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