Accused Holocaust denier pleads guilty - Europe - MSNBC.com
Blogger Thoughts: (Sarcasticly) Why don't they give him the death penalty for subversive speech like that!
Accused Holocaust denier faces 10 years in jail Briton David Irving pleads guilty to criminal charges in Austrian court
The Associated Press
Updated: 6:19 a.m. ET Feb. 20, 2006
VIENNA, Austria - Right-wing British historian David Irving pleaded guilty Monday to criminal charges of denying the Holocaust and conceded in court he erred in contending there were no Nazi gas chambers during World War II.
“I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz,” Irving told the court after his trial opened in Vienna. But he insisted he never wrote a book about the Holocaust, which he called “just a fragment of my area of interest.”
“In no way did I deny the killings of millions of people by the Nazis,” Irving testified. Earlier, he told journalists he considered it “ridiculous” that he was standing trial for remarks made 17 years ago.
Irving, handcuffed and wearing a navy blue suit, arrived at court carrying a copy of one of his most controversial books — “Hitler’s War,” which challenges the extent of the Holocaust.
Before the trial began, Irving, 67, told reporters he now acknowledges the Nazis systematically slaughtered Jews during World War II. “History is like a constantly changing tree,” he said.
Irving has been in custody since his arrest in November on charges stemming from two speeches he gave in Austria in 1989 in which he was accused of denying the Nazis’ extermination of 6 million Jews.
Verdict expected MondayA verdict was expected later Monday, with a conviction almost certain because of Irving’s guilty plea. He faces up to 10 years in prison.
Irving’s trial comes amid new — and fierce — debate over freedom of expression in Europe, where the printing and reprinting of unflattering cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad has triggered violent protests worldwide.
Irving’s lawyer, Elmar Kresbach, said last month the controversial Third Reich historian was getting up to 300 pieces of fan mail a week from supporters around the world, and that while in detention he was writing his memoirs under the working title “Irving’s War.”
Irving was arrested Nov. 11 in the southern Austrian province of Styria on a warrant issued in 1989. He was charged under a federal law that makes it a crime to publicly diminish, deny or justify the Holocaust.
Irving had tried to win his provisional release on $24,000 bail, but a Vienna court refused, saying it considered him a flight risk.
Within two weeks of his arrest, he asserted through his lawyer that he had come to acknowledge the existence of Nazi-era gas chambers.
In the past, however, he has claimed that Adolf Hitler knew little if anything about the Holocaust, and has been quoted as saying there was “not one shred of evidence” the Nazis carried out their “Final Solution” to exterminate the Jewish population on such a massive scale.
Court braces for supportersVienna’s national court, where the trial is being held, ordered the balcony gallery closed to prevent projectiles from being thrown down at the bench, the newspaper Die Presse reported Sunday.
It quoted officials as saying they were bracing for Irving’s supporters to give him the Nazi salute or shout out pro-Hitler slogans during the trial, which will continue into Tuesday if a verdict is not reached on Monday.
Irving is the author of nearly 30 books, including “Hitler’s War,” and has contended most of those who died at concentration camps such as Auschwitz succumbed to diseases such as typhus rather than execution.
In 2000, Irving sued American Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt for libel in a British court, but lost. The presiding judge in that case, Charles Gray, wrote that Irving was “an active Holocaust denier ... anti-Semitic and racist.”
Irving has had numerous run-ins with the law over the years.
In 1992, a judge in Germany fined him the equivalent of $6,000 for publicly insisting the Nazi gas chambers at Auschwitz were a hoax.
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[911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 388
There are 10 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Booga Booga
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
2. Re: Jim Hoffman opposing Greg Nixon
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
3. Re: Uploading Files
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
4. Re: Re: Jim Hoffman opposing Greg Nixon
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
5. ***Groups Alert***SOS***Please Forward & then Do your part...It's now or never
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
6. [Fwd: Re:Re: Festering Apocalyptic Conflict Over Israel] [political-research]
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
7. Forward copy of email send to Steven Jones (cc: Tarpley.. did go thru...)
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
8. Toronto Star: "Still the enemy"
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
9. Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "Rob" <robertjcash@hotmail.com>
10. Re: Toronto Star: "Still the enemy"
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:20:01 -0000
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Booga Booga
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=156d1e22-a510-4ef3-ac19-657fe7e82a8d
Sunday, February 19, 2006
CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - In an audio tape posted on a militant website
Monday, a voice purporting to be that of Osama bin Laden vowed never
to be captured alive and declared the U.S. military in Iraq had
resorted to the same "barbaric" tactics used by ousted President
Saddam Hussein.
The tape appeared to be a complete version of one that was first
broadcast Jan. 19 on Al-Jazeera, the satellite channel, in which bin
Laden offered the United States a truce but also said his al-Qaida
network would soon launch a fresh attack on American soil.
"I have sworn to only live free. Even if I find bitter the taste of
death, I don't want to die humiliated or deceived," bin Laden said.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:40:12 -0000
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Jim Hoffman opposing Greg Nixon
Just my 2 cents....
Unless Greg has a plan to avoid it, I have to say the media may lump
any acts of civil disobediance in the same category as the Muslim
"cartoon" protestors. Furthermore, if Greg+group are really preceived
as a threat, something will be staged to "frame" us.
In any case, I like the idea of Greg and others wearing more formal,
not casual clothes.
I don't mean to sound pessimistic, just think there's someting to be
said for Hoffman other than he's opposing Greg.
I understand that these times are dire, and scream for action before
more police state control is in place.
Also.. just my opinion:
If there's anything that needs to be screamed from the roof tops above
all, it is: Bin Laden/Al Qaeda is a Lie.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> ...last minute opposition also from Jim Hoffman and co:
>
> http://911research.wtc7.net/re911/disclaimer.html
> Disclaimer
> 9-11 Research does not advocate the breaking of any laws.
>
> On February 16, 2006, we became aware that a flyer, reproduced below,
> advertising the "MARCH FOR TRUTH 2006, GROUND ZERO, NYC - 2/20 -
10:00 AM."
> It features the URL for this website along with st911.org (the
subject of
> this essay). 9-11 Research is not affiliated with or involved in this
> event...
>
> --
> Telefonieren Sie schon oder sparen Sie noch?
> NEU: GMX Phone_Flat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/telefonie
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:10:26 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Uploading Files
Cool. Thanks. That makes it a bit easier.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> ...i just figured out, that everyone is able to upload files into
our group
> folder, LOL. That should be possible at
>
> Files
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911InsideJobbers/files/
> Add File
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911InsideJobbers/sfupld?path=/
>
> then you just need to highlight/copy the link and paste it into this
list,
> maybe better minimalize it with tinyurl.com
>
> Right now 11% is used, so we have to figure out how much space we
have and
> maybe limit the time for a huge file, that everyone is able to
download it
> in time....
>
> --
> 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail
> +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:12:07 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Jim Hoffman opposing Greg Nixon
>
> I don't mean to sound pessimistic, just think there's someting to be
> said for Hoffman other than he's opposing Greg.
Yeah. That he's cointelpro paid by MSRI, a subsidiary of Lawrence
Livermore Labs with contracts with NSA and NASA.
http://911review.org/Wiki/911Review.Com.shtml
He also has generational connections to NASA, which is right at the top of my perp list.
So I find his warning about
" 9-11 Research does not advocate the breaking of any laws. "
especially omnious.
Greg Nixon has never advocated breaking any laws, but it looks like that accusation is what is going to be leveled at his protest regardless.
Nothing would get one moderated out of here faster than expressing admiration for Hoffman's two faced half truth on behalf of the empire.
Bill Giltner wrote:
> Just my 2 cents....
> Unless Greg has a plan to avoid it, I have to say the media may lump
> any acts of civil disobediance in the same category as the Muslim
> "cartoon" protestors. Furthermore, if Greg+group are really preceived
> as a threat, something will be staged to "frame" us.
>
> In any case, I like the idea of Greg and others wearing more formal,
> not casual clothes.
>
> I don't mean to sound pessimistic, just think there's someting to be
> said for Hoffman other than he's opposing Greg.
>
> I understand that these times are dire, and scream for action before
> more police state control is in place.
>
> Also.. just my opinion:
> If there's anything that needs to be screamed from the roof tops above
> all, it is: Bin Laden/Al Qaeda is a Lie.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
> wrote:
>
>> ...last minute opposition also from Jim Hoffman and co:
>>
>> http://911research.wtc7.net/re911/disclaimer.html
>> Disclaimer
>> 9-11 Research does not advocate the breaking of any laws.
>>
>> On February 16, 2006, we became aware that a flyer, reproduced below,
>> advertising the "MARCH FOR TRUTH 2006, GROUND ZERO, NYC - 2/20 -
>>
> 10:00 AM."
>
>> It features the URL for this website along with st911.org (the
>>
> subject of
>
>> this essay). 9-11 Research is not affiliated with or involved in this
>> event...
>>
>> --
>> Telefonieren Sie schon oder sparen Sie noch?
>> NEU: GMX Phone_Flat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/telefonie
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:01:52 EST
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
Subject: ***Groups Alert***SOS***Please Forward & then Do your part...It's now or never
It's 11:01 PM Eastern Time
Make sure to check out the Things You Can Do NOW list for the President's Day
March tomorrow in New York City
Then see the note from Marsha at the end...See it especially if you don't pay
federal taxes or if you don't want to because you know the truth
> Pravda Prints 9/11 Truth--Will Americans Be the Last to Know?
> During the Cold War, Pravda ("truth") was an ironic name. Today, the
> US corporate media is as ruthlessly controlled as the Soviet media ever
> was--for a rare exception, see next item--and, irony of ironies, Pravda
> is telling US the truth about the 9/11 hoax that engineered American
> Stalinism:
> <A HREF="http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/16-02-2006/76020-terorrism-0">http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/16-02-2006/76020-terorrism-0</A>
>
> Mainstream US Newspaper Publishes Call to 9/11 Truth Insurrection
> <A HREF="http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/guest/index.php?ntid=72574">http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/guest/index.php?ntid=72574</A>
> If you like this column let them know at:
> <A HREF="http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/letter/letter_form.php">http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/letter/letter_form.php</A>
>
> Tomorrow 2/20/06: Presidents' Day March For Truth in N.Y.C.
> <A HREF="http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/332307.shtml">http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/332307.shtml</A>
>
> Things You Can Do NOW
> 1) Call talk radio and raise holy hell about 9/11. Vow to make at least
> one call a day, or at the very least one call a week, and hold yourself
> to it. Be sure to phone in to conservative radio hosts and making
> general (not specific) comments when answering to initial screening
> questioning.
> 2) Order yourself a big bankroll of Deception Dollars from
> <A HREF="http://www.deceptiondollar.com/">http://www.deceptiondollar.com/</A> Get them in quantity for only five
> cents each! Carry them everywhere, give them away and watch people do a
> double-take, then crack up. Put them in the driver's door crack of cars
> with appropriate bumperstickers. Hand them out at rallies and concerts.
> 3) Organize a showing of one or more 9/11 truth videos in your church,
> library or living room.
> 4) Send the video links below to everyone you know:
>
> 9/11 Videos Available Online
>
> Its never been easier to spread the truth, every bulletin board, blog,
> and email address on the web can be cheaply and easily infected with
> 9/11 truth. No better time than now, let it rip:
>
> <A HREF="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=eyewitness">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=eyewitness</A>
>
> <A HREF="http://video.google.com/videoplay?=5137581991288263801&q=loose+change">http://video.google.com/videoplay?=5137581991288263801&q=loose+change</A>
>
> <A HREF="http://video.google.com/videoplay">http://video.google.com/videoplay</A>?
> docid=9124194186333362123&q=9%2F11+reopen
>
> <A HREF="http://video.google.com/videoplay">http://video.google.com/videoplay</A>?
> docid=1336167662031629480&q=painful+deceptions
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?
> docid=8797525979024486145&q=9%2F11+ruppert
>
> <A HREF="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid</A>=
> -6529813972926262623&q=the+great+conspiracy
>
> <A HREF="http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=alex+jones&so=0">http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=alex+jones&so=0</A>
>
> Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things
> for granted." --- Aldous Huxley
>
>
> MONDO TERROR ALERTS:
>
> Terrifying New Terror Campaign by Terrorists Terrorizing Terrified
> Tourists at Camp Timidford, Texas
> <A HREF="http://www.mytown.ca/sanityclaws/">http://www.mytown.ca/sanityclaws/</A>
>
> The Missing Portion of the Fatty Bin Laden "Confession Video"
> <A HREF="http://www.dcdave.com/article4/011216.html">http://www.dcdave.com/article4/011216.html</A>
>
>
> Kevin Barrett
> Coordinator, MUJCA-NET: <A HREF="http://mujca.com/">http://mujca.com</A>
> harping
Note from Marsha
In this emailing I'm sending a copy to <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/legality-of-income-tax/">legality-of-income-tax</A>
http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=legality-of-income-tax&submit=Search
I am thanking their membership which is well over 2000 for putting up with me
these past few years...
I know many of my posts seemed off topic but in the need to help unify all
the many important groups, I'm afraid I did have to make a pest out of myself
many times
Always harping on the fact the we all have the same enemy and how we must
join together & strike at that same root at the same time no matter what issues
we hold, as all is connected
I thank this tax group for posting some of what I have had to say over the
years and allowing me to keep my membership, too...
IMO this is the most knowledgeable tax group on the net concerning the
illegal federal income tax that has been forced upon "US"
Concerning this 911 Truth March in New York tomorrow, I just wanted to point
something out ...Can you imagine if we joined not just groups but movements
together...
Which is actually being done behind the scenes by big name organizations, as
we speak...This is not just multiples groups with differing issues as I have
been doing, I'm speaking of, either
If we had promoted this happening...which I did...But If I had more help and
knew sooner...Along with the help of wingtv.net...Can you imagine?
Hey, I hear over a million, maybe it was millions, I heard?...I don't
remember, there's been so much
Millions sound too good to be true...I heard they were no longer paying that
illegal tax, which is within their rights
What if all those angry and in the know, tax activists joined in with the 911
activists tomorrow?...and the anti war people, too...Can you just imagine
And on and on...
Imagine
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Press Release "War Crimes" and "Media Cover-Up of 9/11" Forward Widely
Presidents' Day "March for 9/11 Truth," NYC Ground Zero, 10 a.m. Monday,
2/20/06
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/2/prweb348151.htm&cid=1104412143
A must see>>>wingtv.net>>>Friday, Feb. 17th. show or Alternate link>>><A HREF="http://thewebfairy.com/hardtruth/gregnixon02-20.mp3">
http://thewebfairy.com/hardtruth/gregnixon02-20.mp3</A>
I'm almost ready to notify the major newspapers with a new press
release...I'll be sending it to the media afterwards
Watch for it in your groups and forward it everywhere, please
I check my email frequently so if you need media addresses put SOS in the
subject box so I see it & I'll send them to you
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:38:48 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re:Re: Festering Apocalyptic Conflict Over Israel] [political-research]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [political-research] Re: Festering Apocalyptic Conflict
Over Israel
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:03:15 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Closeup stills from the first hit crime scene show little drones, who's
existance is well documented
http://thewebfairy.com/911/uav
and even bragged about.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cia+drones+pakistan
People who believe in FairyTale Planes are gonna get a FairyTale Apocalypse.
It was set up that way intentionally, knowing people would believe
whatever the media told them.
"Insiders" do speak out, they just keep huffing lies to hold their
outrageous coverup together
https://www1.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/01/332076.html?c=on#c142257
"Skyking" and "Architect" seem to be professional interrogation
specialists, expert at psychological intimidation and twisty lies to
fool the schnookiedupes.
It would be nice if Scott Myers, the alleged "amateur photographer" of
the Ghostplane footage
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane/vanishment
http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/noplane2
http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/2explosion
would come clean. He is a contractor for NIST tho.
This is research Nico Haupt dug up about him:
What Scott Myers 'filmed' is a big joke.
He is Software Development Consultant at NIST.
http://zing.ncsl.nist.gov/hfweb/proceedings/meyers-jones/
And this guy should be credible?
...and who is Desktop Labratories (NA)
Fax:
12 John Street DP12
New York, NY 10038-4000 ??
http://web.archive.org/web/20020722063620/http://desktoplabs.com/
Scott Myers DeskTop Laboratories 12 John Street DP12
New York
...well, he's working on "3D motion capture, graphing
and trial management" since 1996!!!
http://homepage.mac.com/scottmyers/desktoplabs/3d/index3dPro.html
u wanna see his pre-9/11 twin tower??
It's here:
http://homepage.mac.com/scottmyers/desktoplabs/images/3D-Grapher-screenshot.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/scottmyers/desktoplabs/3d/index3dPro.html
A re-produced simulation of Marcus Icke shows almost
exactly the same NON-impact butter entry.
If we talk about physics, then this has to be included
too. No wings are breaking apart, the explosion comes
too fast, exit entry too fast, color of fireball
points on no kerosene, no shadows etc....
This isn't 'junk science', it's a catalog of
scientific questions, which had been sabotaged and i
believe, on purpose.
A new team will work now on timecodes, google earth
comparisons to make their point.
I personally wanna dig on all cameramen, which got
involved. This is a tough job, coz almost no names are
mentioned.
If we want to get rid of all deceptions, we have to
talk about media deception first. After all these
networks are the same who presented for us FAKE BIN
LADEN VIDEOS, FAKE DATING SHOWS and FAKE NEWS!
http://homepage.mac.com/scottmyers/desktoplabs/3d/index3dPro.html
"...Motion capture equipment from Ascension'
Technologies provides accurate, fast position and
orientation information....."
...and here is info about Scott Myers' software:
http://www.ascension-tech.com/
http://www.ascension-tech.com/applications/virtual.php
virtual reality techniques are now commonly used in
real-world applications, especially in the design,
visualization and simulation of complex vehicles in
the automotive, aerospace and oil/gas industries. They
are also used in augmented reality systems in which
head tracking is used to overlay pictorial data on
actual parts, components and assemblies.
http://www.ascension-tech.com/images/vr_gallery4.jpg
http://www.ascension-tech.com/company/
Launched in 1986, Ascension has accelerated to the
forefront of the motion tracking industry.
http://www.ascension-tech.com/company/partners.php
Real-time Visualization
http://www.barco.com/broadcasting/en/references/references.asp?ref=3125
"...The key feature of the decision to use LED over
cube projection was the high brightness allowing the
large wall to operate in a very bright
environment...."
http://www.barco.com/corporate/en/products/
Visualization for life-critical decision making
Air traffic control
Avionics
http://www.barco.com/broadcasting/
Barco provides innovative visualization and display
solutions for broadcast applications such as outdoor
marquee, indoor lobby, TV show studio, news studio,
broadcast and distribution monitoring room, screening
or training room and post production.
Barco is a military contractor and just 1 of 15
partners of ascension-tech:
http://www.barco.com/aboutbarco/en/CompanyProfile.asp
Barco is active in the markets of traffic,
surveillance, broadcasting, presentation, simulation
and virtual reality, edutainment, events, media,
digital cinema, air traffic control, defense &
security, medical imaging, avionics, and textiles....
Sean McBride wrote:
>
> I'm interested in all the forensic evidence. I simply don't think
> that focusing on this aspect of 9/11 is going to crack the case open.
> The case will not move forward until some informed insiders speak
> out. But the catch is this: if they do start to speak out, they may
> trigger 9/11 Part II.
>
>
>
> --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> <webfairy@...> wrote:
> >
> > Media Hoax.
> > http://911hoax.com
> >
> > The "Political Mainstream" is completely duped.
> > This IS the core element of 911. They were duped, are still duped, and
> > are playing out their roles as fictional characters being fed their
> > lines by the same gang that didn't have to waste any real planes on 911
> > because they knew they could make people imagine planes just as well.
> >
> > The same gang televises fictional news about whatever fictional
> > boogieman or artificially created problem they feel like.
> >
> > Until people can grok the difference between objective fact and
> fanciful
> > mindspinning, we will continue on track toward a fairytale apocalypse.
> >
> > The first hit footage that is supposed to show the plane doesn't have a
> > plane in it, but instead shows little cia-style drone thingies like
> > they've bragged about using over Pakistan.
> >
> > How you think you can solve a murder while ignoring the forensic video
> > shot live of the crimescene is quite boggling.
> >
> > Sean McBride wrote:
> > >
> > > Precisely HOW 9/11 was accomplished is not nearly as important as WHO
> > > was behind it and WHY. Getting sidetracked on the HOW while losing
> > > sight of the WHO and WHY is a major mistake, in my opinion. I waste
> > > almost no time in arguing about the HOW. Whether real planes were
used
> > > or not is close to irrelevant to the core issues of 9/11. The HOW
> > > factor is only interesting if it can be used to unravel the official
> > > story among members of the political mainstream. Most members of the
> > > political mainstream can't begin to wrap their minds around the
> concept
> > > of no-planes with regard to 9/11. It is not a productive approach to
> > > challenging the official story on 9/11.< BR>> >
> > > --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable webfairy@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We went to war over cartoon airplanes that waggle their little fish
> > > > tails as they melt.
> > > > http://thewebfairy.com/911/2hit
> > > > Pigs are Flying.
> > > > http://thewebfairy.com/911/flyingpig
> > > >
> > > > Sean McBride wrote:
> > > > > *Festering Apocalyptic Conflict Over Israel*
> > > > >
> > > > > Wouldn't it be fascinating if the world were destroyed over a
> fairy
> > > > > tale, by a self-fulfilling Armageddon? It could happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > The key players:
> > > > >
> > > > > biblical literalists
> > > > > Chabad-Lubavitchers
> > > > > Christian Armageddonists
> > > > > Christian fundamentalists
> > > > > Christian terrorists
> > > > > Christian Zionists
> > > > > Dominionists
> > > > > Freepers
> > > > > Greater Israelists
> > > > > Islamists
> > > > > Jabotinskyites
> > > > > Jewish Armageddonists
> > > > > Jewish fundamentalists
> > > > > Jewish terrorists
> > > > > Judeo-Christian fascists
> > > > > monotheistic Armageddonists
> > > > > monotheistic fundamentalists
> > > > > monotheistic terrorists
> > > > > Muslim Armageddonists
> > > > > Muslim fundamentalists
> > > > > Muslim terrorists
> > > > > neoconservatives
> > > > > neoliberals
> > > > > religious Zionists
> > > > > Straussians
> > > > > Wahabbists
> > > > > Each major messianic bloc is aggravating all the others. They are
> > > all
> > > > > working one another up into an apocalyptic frenzy.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:07:15 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Forward copy of email send to Steven Jones (cc: Tarpley.. did go thru...)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bill Giltner <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Date: Feb 19, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: 9/11: 5 mins of your time.
To: steven_jones@byu.edu
Cc: tarpley@tarpley.net
Dr. Jones:
I was able to watch your video presentation (from 2/1/06) today that I
received via bit torrent. I noticed that it is also available at
video.google.com. Thank you for your courage and commitment to exposing the
truth.
Tomorrow (2/20/2006), there is a protest at Ground Zero starting at 10:00.
We are proud to have Webster Tarpley in attendence and as our key speaker,
one of your associates in Scholars for Truth.
Let me get to the point. As an avid amateur researcher, and as a concerned
cititzen, I have watched 9/11 related developments over the last three
years. I'm certainly not trying to tell you what to believe, or who to
trust. However, I noticed a particular web site, controlled by a particular
individual, who is behaving in a dreadful manner. Let me provide a link to
the web page in question:
http://911research.wtc7.net/re911/disclaimer.html. I am attaching a graphic
that is a snap shot of the page in question as well. You may notice that
the "flyer" for tomorrow's event (at the bottom of the web page) references
the Scholars for truth web site, as well as the 911research.wtc7.net site.
I'm not privy to the details of whether one of the organizers of the event
tomorrow contacted Mr. Jim Hoffman and received any kind of green light for
including the website in the flyer.
My only point to be made, which I wanted you and everyone to be made aware
of, is the slap-down nature of what has been posted (as referenced above)
about Greg Nixon, one the of the organizers who openly appeared on WingTV on
Friday (2/17). The innuendo implied by the defamatory nature of Mr.
Hoffman's reference to Greg is obvious. Unless I find out information I
don't currently have, I believe that Mr. Holffman's words are a sign of bias
at the least, and more like indicative of the existence of an ulterior
motive. Mr. Hoffman, with he pretty pic of what a peaceful protest looks
like, is being entirely disingenuous. The 9/11/05 protest that was held
last year in NYC and protrayed in the pic was a travesty.
Thanks for taking to time to review this email. It contains what I believe
is important information that bears upon evaluations of who is truly
dedicated to having the whole truth revealed.
Sincerely,
Bill Giltner
bill.giltner@gmail.com
http://bgtruth.blogspot.com
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:56:16 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Toronto Star: "Still the enemy"
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Render&c=Article&cid=1140216612759&call_pageid=968867495754
Feb. 19, 2006
Still the enemy
"...Three years after the invasion of Iraq and more than five years since
9/11, real dissent in the United States is next to impossible. People who
speak out against George W. Bush and his administration are paying a steep
personal price, Olivia Ward reports...
...On the scale of difficulties thrown in the way of suspected Bush enemies,
John Graham says his is minor.
"When I take an airline flight, I have to spend an extra half an hour at the
airport. They have to call Washington to let me get on the plane because I'm
on a no-fly list," says the head of the Giraffe Heroes Project, which
"encourages people to stick their necks out" on issues of the public
good....
..."If they really want to hurt me," he says, "they can stop me from getting
on airplanes. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but now I'm being pushed. I
have no idea what I'm doing on the list, but Bush has made an implacable
political enemy."
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:03:23 -0000
From: "Rob" <robertjcash@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
Um...this was caught a while ago (by yours truly...LOL) ;-)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911InsideJobbers/message/6858
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@...>
> > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your
hoax
> > pictures from CNN
> > Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:41:39 -0000
> >
>
>
> >>>Just noticed another interesting anomaly in that 'new' footage.
At the
> 1:08 mark, after the camera zooms back out, if you look at WTC7 you can
> see the 'outline' of a person reflected in the window, it is very faint,
> but you can still make out that this person seems to be holding a cell
> phone up to the side of their face (1:08-1:16).<<<
>
>
>
> perp, awesome catch:)
>
>
> I watched it now dozens of times.
> I also thought first, he's picking a cell phone, but now it appears
to me
> that he's either holding his both (empty!) hands out to something or is
> doing some Tai Chih-like 'work out' :)
>
> Just watch the loop 20 times and the effect changes. I think, both
hands are
> empty...
>
>
>
> >>>>Seems as though there were plenty of 'VR spooks' in the NYC area on
> 9/11. Devin Clark, Evan Fairbanks, Naudet brothers, Aaron Brown. Good
> thing for us that their work is terrible, for the most part.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> wrote:
> >
> > http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
> >
> > The "plane" hippityhops.
> > This is proof it is animation. The duplicates stop as soon as it
> > vanishes behind the building for a shade too long.
> > That's not the only thing wrong with it!
> > http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
> >
> > Here's about the credited "author."<<<<
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:07:18 -0000
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Toronto Star: "Still the enemy"
Three years after the invasion of Iraq and more than five years since
9/11, real dissent in the United States is next to impossible.
Interesting, I was under the impression that this coming September would
mark the 5 year point. I must be mistaken, as the M$M never gets the
facts wrong.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
>
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Render&c=Article&cid=1140216612759&call_pageid=968867495754
> Feb. 19, 2006
> Still the enemy
>
> "...Three years after the invasion of Iraq and more than five years
since
> 9/11, real dissent in the United States is next to impossible. People
who
> speak out against George W. Bush and his administration are paying a
steep
> personal price, Olivia Ward reports...
>
> ...On the scale of difficulties thrown in the way of suspected Bush
enemies,
> John Graham says his is minor.
>
> "When I take an airline flight, I have to spend an extra half an hour
at the
> airport. They have to call Washington to let me get on the plane
because I'm
> on a no-fly list," says the head of the Giraffe Heroes Project, which
> "encourages people to stick their necks out" on issues of the public
> good....
>
> ..."If they really want to hurt me," he says, "they can stop me from
getting
> on airplanes. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but now I'm being pushed.
I
> have no idea what I'm doing on the list, but Bush has made an
implacable
> political enemy."
>
> --
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In audio tape, Osama bin Laden vows never to be captured alive
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In audio tape, Osama bin Laden vows never to be captured alive
In audio tape, Osama bin Laden vows never to be captured alive
Sunday, February 19, 2006
CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - In an audio tape posted on a militant website Monday, a voice purporting to be that of Osama bin Laden vowed never to be captured alive and declared the U.S. military in Iraq had resorted to the same "barbaric" tactics used by ousted President Saddam Hussein. The tape appeared to be a complete version of one that was first broadcast Jan. 19 on Al-Jazeera, the satellite channel, in which bin Laden offered the United States a truce but also said his al-Qaida network would soon launch a fresh attack on American soil.
"I have sworn to only live free. Even if I find bitter the taste of death, I don't want to die humiliated or deceived," bin Laden said.
White House Working to Avoid Wiretap Probe
White House Working to Avoid Wiretap Probe
White House Working to Avoid Wiretap Probe
But Some Republicans Say Bush Must Be More Open About Eavesdropping Program
White House Working to Avoid Wiretap Probe
But Some Republicans Say Bush Must Be More Open About Eavesdropping Program
By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, February 20, 2006; A08
At two key moments in recent days, White House officials contacted congressional leaders just ahead of intelligence committee meetings that could have stirred demands for a deeper review of the administration's warrantless-surveillance program, according to House and Senate sources.
In both cases, the administration was spared the outcome it most feared, and it won praise in some circles for showing more openness to congressional oversight.
But the actions have angered some lawmakers who think the administration's purported concessions mean little. Some Republicans said that the White House came closer to suffering a big setback than is widely known, and that President Bush must be more forthcoming about the eavesdropping program to retain Congress's good will.
The first White House scramble came on Feb. 8, before the House intelligence committee began a closed briefing on the program, which Bush began in late 2001 but which was disclosed only recently. The program allows the National Security Agency to monitor communications involving a person in the United States and one outside, provided one is a possible terrorism suspect. The administration says the program is exempt from the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which provides for domestic surveillance warrants. Many lawmakers and legal scholars disagree.
The House hearing came a day after a prominent Republican member called for an inquiry into the wiretapping program, and two days after Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales had angered some senators by defending it without providing details. On Feb. 8, House members were grumbling that the administration apparently planned to have Gonzales, joined by former NSA director Michael V. Hayden, provide the same limited briefing to the House intelligence committee.
But the White House unexpectedly announced that Gonzales and Hayden would give the 21-member committee more insight into the program's "procedural aspects." The briefing placated many members. When committee leaders later said the panel will look further into the program, they made clear it will be a controlled process rather than the freewheeling investigation some Democrats want.
The second White House flurry occurred last Thursday, as the Senate intelligence committee readied for a showdown over a motion by top Democrat John D. Rockefeller IV (W.Va.) to start a broad inquiry into the surveillance program. White House Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr. -- who had visited the Capitol two days earlier with Vice President Cheney to lobby Republicans on the program -- spoke by phone with Sen. Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine), according to Senate sources briefed on the call.
Snowe earlier had expressed concerns about the program's legality and civil liberties safeguards, but Card was adamant about restricting congressional oversight and control, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing office policies. Snowe seemed taken aback by Card's intransigence, and the call amounted to "a net step backward" for the White House, said a source outside Snowe's office.
Snowe contacted fellow committee Republican Chuck Hagel (Neb.), who also had voiced concerns about the program. They arranged a three-way phone conversation with Chairman Pat Roberts (R-Kan.).
Until then, Roberts apparently thought he had the votes to defeat Rockefeller's motion in the committee, which Republicans control nine to seven, the sources said. But Snowe and Hagel told the chairman that if he called up the motion, they would support it, assuring its passage, the sources said.
When the closed meeting began, Roberts averted a vote on Rockefeller's motion by arranging for a party-line vote to adjourn until March 7. The move infuriated Rockefeller, who told reporters, "The White House has applied heavy pressure in recent weeks to prevent the committee from doing its job."
Hagel and Snowe declined interview requests after the meeting, but sources close to them say they bridle at suggestions that they buckled under administration heat. The White House must engage "in good-faith negotiations" with Congress, Snowe said in a statement.
Roberts, reacting to Hagel and Snowe's actions, told the New York Times on Friday that he now supports bringing the NSA program under FISA's jurisdiction in some manner, a stand that could put him at odds with the administration. The White House has praised a plan by Sen. Mike DeWine (R-Ohio) to draft legislation that would exempt the NSA program from FISA, while providing for congressional oversight.
White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said that Bush "is open to ideas from Congress regarding legislation, and we've committed to working with Congress on a bill."
Thanks FDR!
Executive Order 9066
Blogger Thoughts: See, Bush isn't so bad....
EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 9066
FEBRUARY 19, 1942
Authorizing the Secretary of War to Prescribe Military Areas
Whereas, The successful prosecution of the war requires every possible protection against espionage and against sabotage to national defense material, national defense premises and national defense utilities as defined in Section 4, Act of April 20, 1918, 40 Stat. 533 as amended by the Act of November 30, 1940, 54 Stat. 1220. and the Act of August 21, 1941. 55 Stat. 655 (U.S.C., Title 50, Sec. 104):
Now, therefore, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, and Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy, l hereby authorized and direct the Secretary of War, and the Military Commanders whom he may from time to time designate, whenever he or any designated Commander deem such action necessary or desirable to prescribe military areas in such places and of such extent as he or the appropriate Military Commander may determine, from which any or all persons may be excluded, and with respect to which, the right of any person to enter, remain in, or leave shall be subject to whatever restriction the Secretary of War or the appropriate Military Commander may impose in his discretion. The Secretary of War is hereby authorized to provide for residents of any such area who are excluded therefrom. such transportation, food, shelter, and other accommodations as may be necessary, in the judgment of the Secretary of War or the said Military Commander and until other arrangements are made, to accomplish the purpose of this order. The designation of military areas in any region or locality shall supersede designation of prohibited and restricted areas by the Attorney General under the Proclamation of December 7 and 8, 1941, and shall supersede the responsibility and authority of the Attorney General under the said Proclamation in respect of such prohibited and restricted areas.
I hereby further authorize and direct the Secretary of War and the said Military Commanders to take such other steps as he or the appropriate Military Commander may deem advisable to enforce compliance with the restrictions applicable to each Military area herein above authorized to be designated. including the use of Federal troops and other Federal Agencies, with authority to accept assistance of state and local agencies.
I hereby further authorize and direct all Executive Department, independent establishments and other Federal Agencies, to assist the Secretary of War or the said Military Commanders in carrying out this Executive Order, including the furnishing of medical aid, hospitalization, food, clothing, transportation, use of land, shelter, and other supplies, equipment, utilities, facilities and service.
This order shall not be construed as modifying or limiting in any way the authority granted under Executive Order 8972. dated December 12.1941, nor shall it be construed as limiting or modifying the duty and responsibility of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, with response to the investigation of alleged acts of sabotage or duty and responsibility of the Attorney General and the Department of Justice under the Proclamation of December 7 and 8, 1941, prescribing regulations for the conduct and control of alien enemies, except as such duty and responsibility is superseded by the designation of military areas thereunder.
Franklin D. Roosevelt The White House, February 19,1942.
Blogger Thoughts: See, Bush isn't so bad....
EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 9066
FEBRUARY 19, 1942
Authorizing the Secretary of War to Prescribe Military Areas
Whereas, The successful prosecution of the war requires every possible protection against espionage and against sabotage to national defense material, national defense premises and national defense utilities as defined in Section 4, Act of April 20, 1918, 40 Stat. 533 as amended by the Act of November 30, 1940, 54 Stat. 1220. and the Act of August 21, 1941. 55 Stat. 655 (U.S.C., Title 50, Sec. 104):
Now, therefore, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, and Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy, l hereby authorized and direct the Secretary of War, and the Military Commanders whom he may from time to time designate, whenever he or any designated Commander deem such action necessary or desirable to prescribe military areas in such places and of such extent as he or the appropriate Military Commander may determine, from which any or all persons may be excluded, and with respect to which, the right of any person to enter, remain in, or leave shall be subject to whatever restriction the Secretary of War or the appropriate Military Commander may impose in his discretion. The Secretary of War is hereby authorized to provide for residents of any such area who are excluded therefrom. such transportation, food, shelter, and other accommodations as may be necessary, in the judgment of the Secretary of War or the said Military Commander and until other arrangements are made, to accomplish the purpose of this order. The designation of military areas in any region or locality shall supersede designation of prohibited and restricted areas by the Attorney General under the Proclamation of December 7 and 8, 1941, and shall supersede the responsibility and authority of the Attorney General under the said Proclamation in respect of such prohibited and restricted areas.
I hereby further authorize and direct the Secretary of War and the said Military Commanders to take such other steps as he or the appropriate Military Commander may deem advisable to enforce compliance with the restrictions applicable to each Military area herein above authorized to be designated. including the use of Federal troops and other Federal Agencies, with authority to accept assistance of state and local agencies.
I hereby further authorize and direct all Executive Department, independent establishments and other Federal Agencies, to assist the Secretary of War or the said Military Commanders in carrying out this Executive Order, including the furnishing of medical aid, hospitalization, food, clothing, transportation, use of land, shelter, and other supplies, equipment, utilities, facilities and service.
This order shall not be construed as modifying or limiting in any way the authority granted under Executive Order 8972. dated December 12.1941, nor shall it be construed as limiting or modifying the duty and responsibility of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, with response to the investigation of alleged acts of sabotage or duty and responsibility of the Attorney General and the Department of Justice under the Proclamation of December 7 and 8, 1941, prescribing regulations for the conduct and control of alien enemies, except as such duty and responsibility is superseded by the designation of military areas thereunder.
Franklin D. Roosevelt The White House, February 19,1942.
A declassified al Qaeda document hints at a great deal more to come.
Tip of the Iceberg
Blogger Thoughts: Can the al Qaeda nonsense be hyped any more?????? (The Manhatten Institute is a serious Propaganda spewer.)
Tip of the Iceberg A declassified al Qaeda document hints at a great deal more to come. by Dan Darling 02/16/2006 12:00:00 AM
IN THE COURSE of the campaign against international terrorism, the United States and its allies have uncovered hundreds of documents authored by both leaders and members of al Qaeda and allied terrorist networks. These documents, which currently reside in a classified database known as HARMONY, contain everything from loose papers to personal letters to bureaucratic documents to official statements and threats issued by al Qaeda and its allies. These documents, which contain important information with regard to the inner workings of al Qaeda, its leading personalities, field commanders, clandestine terrorists, and rank-and-file members, have been completely beyond the public access until now.
In late 2005, the Combating Terrorism Center (CTC) at West Point was given 28 declassified documents from the HARMONY database in order to help the CTC "provide an analysis of potential network vulnerabilities and conflicts of interests within the organization" in order to support the efforts of U.S. military planners. The CTC's detailed analysis on how best to exploit al Qaeda's operational vulnerabilities is well worth reading on its own right, but what is far more interesting is the information contained in the declassified HARMONY documents that hints that there is far more to come.
For instance, take Document #: AFGP-2002-601693, titled "Status of Jihad" by the HARMONY database. In it, an individual using the kuniyat (assumed name) of Abu Mus'ab writes to one Abu Mohammed, which the translator speculates--based on references to his release from prison--as likely being Abu Muhammad Asem al-Maqdisi, the preferred kuniyat of Iraqi insurgent leader Abu Musab Zarqawi's mentor Isam Mohammad Taher al-Barqawi.
According to the substance of the letter, Abu Mus'ab has apparently fallen out of favor with Abu Qatada, a London-based cleric who, prior to his arrest, was widely considered to be bin Laden's most senior representative in Europe. In the letter, Abu Mus'ab is seeking Abu Mohammed's support. Having met Zarqawi himself, Abu Mus'ab claims that the future Iraqi insurgent leader agrees with him that the al Qaeda-backed Muslim insurgencies fighting in Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir, and Tajikistan are in fact made up of polytheists and supporters of secular democracy because of their willingness to seek an accommodation with secular powers, a point of view that has apparently.
According to Abu Mus'ab, this has led to Zarqawi being accused of takfir (declaring Muslims to be kafir or infidels) by other al Qaeda members.
This anecdote is interesting because it goes toward establishing a factual basis for the widely-reported rift between Zarqawi and the rest of the al Qaeda leadership--prior to his public pledge of allegiance to bin Laden in October 2004.
Nevertheless, analysts looking in the HARMONY documents for evidence to support their contention that Zarqawi was not part of al Qaeda prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq will be sorely disappointed: According to Abu Mus'ab, Zarqawi refrained from joining the other man "because of his love for leadership and the organization"--with "the organization" here almost certainly referring to al Qaeda.
To support his position, Zarqawi produced a 200 page research paper by senior al Qaeda ideologue and terror theoretician Abu Musab al-Suri (also known as Mustafa Setmariam Nasar, captured by U.S. forces in Pakistan in November 2005). At the letter explains, this lengthy paper "said that it is permissible to fight under the banner of infidelity . . . supporting his opinion with quotes from here and there."
This is an interesting revelation given the traditional image of Zarqawi as an avowed fanatic; it may explain why he has been able to so easily establish alliances with secular Iraqi Baathists and Shiite Iranian Revolutionary Guardsmen without compromising his beliefs. According to Abu Mus'ab, Zarqawi believed the Taliban governor of Jalalabad to be an infidel, yet Zarqawi continued to cooperate with the Afghan theocracy until its collapse.
EVEN MORE INTERESTING is the portrait of al Qaeda second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri, who Abu Mus'ab respectfully refers to in his letter as "the doctor." In addition to making the claim that al-Zawahiri had ceased involvement in the Egyptian Islamic Jihad by 1995 (but that his departure was not announced in the group for unspecified reasons), Abu Mus'ab also claims that al-Zawahiri went to both Iraq and Iran following the domestic end of the Egyptian Islamist campaign.
Here he echoes an earlier passage in his letter where he notes that some jihadis "went to Saddam, others went to Iran and so on." The terminology used in the translation makes it difficult to assess whether al-Zawahiri's search for state support occurred during the initial suppression of Egyptian Islamist violence in the 1980s or following the renewed campaign in the 1990s. The 9/11 Commission's final report notes, in equally cryptic fashion, that al-Zawahiri "had ties of his own to the Iraqis." Similarly, Dr. Nimrod Raphael's biography of al-Zawahiri contends that in the face of accusations of embezzling in the late 1980s "the need for funds forced him to seek assistance from Iran."
ABU MUS'AB'S LETTER to Abu Mohammed serves as a useful insight into the inner workings of the al Qaeda network. It highlights the fact that some of our Islamist enemies are even more extreme in their views than Zarqawi or bin Laden.
Access to primary source material, such as HARMONY's database of internal documents, can be of immense value to terrorism experts, analysts, academics, and the general public without harming intelligence operations. The declassification of further internal al Qaeda documents should only be encouraged.
Dan Darling is a counterterrorism consultant for the Manhattan Institute Center for Policing Terrorism.
© Copyright 2005, News Corporation, Weekly Standard, All Rights Reserved.
Blogger Thoughts: Can the al Qaeda nonsense be hyped any more?????? (The Manhatten Institute is a serious Propaganda spewer.)
Tip of the Iceberg A declassified al Qaeda document hints at a great deal more to come. by Dan Darling 02/16/2006 12:00:00 AM
IN THE COURSE of the campaign against international terrorism, the United States and its allies have uncovered hundreds of documents authored by both leaders and members of al Qaeda and allied terrorist networks. These documents, which currently reside in a classified database known as HARMONY, contain everything from loose papers to personal letters to bureaucratic documents to official statements and threats issued by al Qaeda and its allies. These documents, which contain important information with regard to the inner workings of al Qaeda, its leading personalities, field commanders, clandestine terrorists, and rank-and-file members, have been completely beyond the public access until now.
In late 2005, the Combating Terrorism Center (CTC) at West Point was given 28 declassified documents from the HARMONY database in order to help the CTC "provide an analysis of potential network vulnerabilities and conflicts of interests within the organization" in order to support the efforts of U.S. military planners. The CTC's detailed analysis on how best to exploit al Qaeda's operational vulnerabilities is well worth reading on its own right, but what is far more interesting is the information contained in the declassified HARMONY documents that hints that there is far more to come.
For instance, take Document #: AFGP-2002-601693, titled "Status of Jihad" by the HARMONY database. In it, an individual using the kuniyat (assumed name) of Abu Mus'ab writes to one Abu Mohammed, which the translator speculates--based on references to his release from prison--as likely being Abu Muhammad Asem al-Maqdisi, the preferred kuniyat of Iraqi insurgent leader Abu Musab Zarqawi's mentor Isam Mohammad Taher al-Barqawi.
According to the substance of the letter, Abu Mus'ab has apparently fallen out of favor with Abu Qatada, a London-based cleric who, prior to his arrest, was widely considered to be bin Laden's most senior representative in Europe. In the letter, Abu Mus'ab is seeking Abu Mohammed's support. Having met Zarqawi himself, Abu Mus'ab claims that the future Iraqi insurgent leader agrees with him that the al Qaeda-backed Muslim insurgencies fighting in Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir, and Tajikistan are in fact made up of polytheists and supporters of secular democracy because of their willingness to seek an accommodation with secular powers, a point of view that has apparently.
According to Abu Mus'ab, this has led to Zarqawi being accused of takfir (declaring Muslims to be kafir or infidels) by other al Qaeda members.
This anecdote is interesting because it goes toward establishing a factual basis for the widely-reported rift between Zarqawi and the rest of the al Qaeda leadership--prior to his public pledge of allegiance to bin Laden in October 2004.
Nevertheless, analysts looking in the HARMONY documents for evidence to support their contention that Zarqawi was not part of al Qaeda prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq will be sorely disappointed: According to Abu Mus'ab, Zarqawi refrained from joining the other man "because of his love for leadership and the organization"--with "the organization" here almost certainly referring to al Qaeda.
To support his position, Zarqawi produced a 200 page research paper by senior al Qaeda ideologue and terror theoretician Abu Musab al-Suri (also known as Mustafa Setmariam Nasar, captured by U.S. forces in Pakistan in November 2005). At the letter explains, this lengthy paper "said that it is permissible to fight under the banner of infidelity . . . supporting his opinion with quotes from here and there."
This is an interesting revelation given the traditional image of Zarqawi as an avowed fanatic; it may explain why he has been able to so easily establish alliances with secular Iraqi Baathists and Shiite Iranian Revolutionary Guardsmen without compromising his beliefs. According to Abu Mus'ab, Zarqawi believed the Taliban governor of Jalalabad to be an infidel, yet Zarqawi continued to cooperate with the Afghan theocracy until its collapse.
EVEN MORE INTERESTING is the portrait of al Qaeda second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri, who Abu Mus'ab respectfully refers to in his letter as "the doctor." In addition to making the claim that al-Zawahiri had ceased involvement in the Egyptian Islamic Jihad by 1995 (but that his departure was not announced in the group for unspecified reasons), Abu Mus'ab also claims that al-Zawahiri went to both Iraq and Iran following the domestic end of the Egyptian Islamist campaign.
Here he echoes an earlier passage in his letter where he notes that some jihadis "went to Saddam, others went to Iran and so on." The terminology used in the translation makes it difficult to assess whether al-Zawahiri's search for state support occurred during the initial suppression of Egyptian Islamist violence in the 1980s or following the renewed campaign in the 1990s. The 9/11 Commission's final report notes, in equally cryptic fashion, that al-Zawahiri "had ties of his own to the Iraqis." Similarly, Dr. Nimrod Raphael's biography of al-Zawahiri contends that in the face of accusations of embezzling in the late 1980s "the need for funds forced him to seek assistance from Iran."
ABU MUS'AB'S LETTER to Abu Mohammed serves as a useful insight into the inner workings of the al Qaeda network. It highlights the fact that some of our Islamist enemies are even more extreme in their views than Zarqawi or bin Laden.
Access to primary source material, such as HARMONY's database of internal documents, can be of immense value to terrorism experts, analysts, academics, and the general public without harming intelligence operations. The declassification of further internal al Qaeda documents should only be encouraged.
Dan Darling is a counterterrorism consultant for the Manhattan Institute Center for Policing Terrorism.
© Copyright 2005, News Corporation, Weekly Standard, All Rights Reserved.
[911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 387
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
2. Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
3. Chertoff - A great man we should all trust to keep up safe?
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
4. Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
5. Re: USS Cole (prob old news to most of you)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
6. Re: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
7. Re: Don't miss this free video for the "Truth about 9/11" Forward Everywhere
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
8. Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
9. Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
10. Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
11. Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
12. click this link
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
13. Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
14. Update on Lockerbie Pan Am 103
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
15. Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
16. A.Jones: Cheney shot 'im at 15 ft --not 90
From: <ronald.bleier@gmail.com>
17. Left Geatekeepers: For the ones who may not be doing it on purpose: IS THERE ANY END TO THEIR STUPIDITY?
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
18. Re: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
19. Re: Left Geatekeepers: For the ones who may not be doing it on purpose: IS THERE
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
20. Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
21. Re: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
22. Uploading Files
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
23. Sander Hicks on AirAmerica: No word about GregNixon
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
24. Re: Jeb Bush: Bird Flu might hit Florida first
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
25. Jim Hoffman opposing Greg Nixon
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:37:01 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the
> first hit ("impact" only)
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:23 -0000
>
not enough coffee here :)
I meant to say, i often don't recognize, if there was a file attached,
until i scroll to end of message -:)
>>>>>>>
I also have often to scroll to end at message to see,
if there's a message.
My suggestion:
The moderators allow some members, who are most active with video/audio
stuff, to upload these files into our file folder section at yahoogroup and
then just post the link or an info.
I recommend to allow uploads for Alex, PerpYnq, Rob...
Anyone else, please request an upload okay.
>>>>I can never can see any attachments on this board, both on Mac and PC.
Anyway: alexldent@yahoo.com
Appreciate it you could send. Thanks.<<
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Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:53:02 -0000
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]
Here's a pic that was posted at LetsRoll forums (by BACKHOEJOE) ; Click
here <http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e108/jsmith102/GROUNDZERO.jpg>
Note that you can see through parts of at least two columns.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...>
wrote:
>
> Can you imagine the amount of thought process required to use thermite
on the tower and the timings required to start off the thermite
reactions and then the laying of the devices and detonators?
>
> Horseshoe shaped clean steel beams. Thermite?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alexldent
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:27 PM
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the
WTC discussion.]
>
>
> That is cool, thanks!
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Ed Barner
> edwinatlcom.net@ wrote:
> >
> > Kick ass thermite video.
> > http://thewebfairy.com/911/binaries/thermite.wmv
> >
> >
> > truthinmichigan wrote:
> >
> > > Thermite produces a buttload of heat and intense blue-whiteish
light.
> > > If you set Thermite going to work away at the structure you'd
see the
> > > equivalent of an arc-welder light filtering through any cracks.
> > > People evacuating would see it. It also takes time. It's not
instant
> > > like cutter charges. They use thermite sticks -- the stuff even
burns
> > > under water -- to cut pilings, but it is like a cutting torch.
And
> > > you'd surely set adjacent materials aflame everywhere it was
used.
> > >
> > > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
<webfairy@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > Subject: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.
> > > > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:35:31 -0500
> > > > From: <naserian@>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Commentary on Killtown's piece*
> > > > *from Michael Rivero:*
> > > > *www.WhatReallyHappened.com*
<http://www.WhatReallyHappened.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 9/11 Rescuer Saw Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby
> > > >
> > >
>
<http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Posted *Feb 11, 2006 08:36 AM
> > > >
> <http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html#042766>*
PST
> > > > Category: 911
> <http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html>
> > > >
> > > > Okay, the time has come to clarify things a bit.
> > > >
> > > > While it is impossible to discount the possibility that some
form of
> > > > "assistance" such as *thermite* was used to initiate the
collapse of
> > > the
> > > > towers and WTC7, the explosions on the basements and lobbies
of the
> > > > buildings have a benign explanation.
> > > >
> > > > Remember that two passenger jets full of aviation kerosene
> crashed into
> > > > the buildings. Contrary to the official story of pooling on
the
> impact
> > > > floors, all the kerosene that did not immediately flash into
orange
> > > > flame poured down elevator and ventilation shafts to the
lowest
> levels
> > > > in the building, particlizing on the long drop down. Upon
> finding any
> > > > source of ignition, the kerosene mist would explode. The
> buildings all
> > > > shared a common basement and parking areas, so that burning
> kerosene in
> > > > the basement of one building would drive smoke across and up
> into the
> > > > other buildings. As the towers and WTC7 collapsed, air driven
into
> > > their
> > > > elevator and ventilation shafts into those shared underground
> passages
> > > > would blow huge billows of smoke out of the other buildings.
> > > >
> > > > The reason not to get tied up with reports of explosions in
the
> > > > basements and lobbies is because anything planted in the
> buildings to
> > > > trigger a collapse would have been planted at the initial
points of
> > > > failure. And, considering the attention being focused on the
> events of
> > > > 9-11, /*the planners would not use explosives that would
produce
> > > > suspicious noise and flashes.*/ The collapse would have to be
> triggered
> > > > with a minimum of visible and audible artifacts, so rather
than
> > > > explosives, a "cutter" such as *thermite *would have been used
to
> > > weaken
> > > > load bearing members.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Betonamit" "DEXPAN" and "Bristar" and " Fract.AG expansive
> mortar "
> > > > are all "*/explosives that would produce suspicious noise and
> > > > flashes." /* As a matter of fact, they do not even explode.
These
> > > > substances as marketed as non-explosive alternatives to
> fracturing rock
> > > > of re-inforced concrete. Just drill a hole, place the powder
in and
> > > then
> > > > add water -- via a sprinkle system or carefully placed hoses.
> Then run
> > > > for dear life.
> > > >
> > > > Depending on the type of SCDA(Soundless chemical demolition
> agents),
> > > > significant expansive pressure may be generated as quickly as
> within 15
> > > > min., or as long as within 24 hr.
> > > > http://www.new-technologies.org/ECT/Civil/soundche.htm
> > > >
> > > > Soundless chemical-demolition agents (SCDAs) ? These come in
powder
> > > form
> > > > and are mixed with water to form a slurry, which is inserted
in
> > > > boreholes in rock or concrete. The main component of SCDAs is
> calcium
> > > > oxide, which forms calcium hydroxide when water is added. The
> resulting
> > > > volatile reaction creates heat, and as the material
crystallizes
> within
> > > > the rock, it causes a threefold increase in volume. Tensile
> fracturing
> > > > may occur within 10-15 minutes or up to 24 hours. Although
> inhibitors
> > > > can be added to retard the chemical reaction and increase
> control over
> > > > the process, the technique is still primitive, and its actual
> field use
> > > > has been quite limited. SCDAs have generally been used only
where
> > > > blasting is prohibited, and will eliminate flyrock, noise,
> fumes, and
> > > > vibrations associated with blasting. SCDAs have been used
> underwater in
> > > > Seattle to remove bridge piers from docks and to avoid
blasting
> > > close to
> > > > shore. The high cost of SCDAs and some bad experiences in
> controlling
> > > > the pre-splitting have caused the Corps of Engineers to limit
its
> > > use of
> > > > the expansive agents.
> > > > [Source: /Civil Engineering /magazine, March 1990]
> > > > BRISTAR is a chemical-demolition agent designed for various
> temperature
> > > > ranges, and has been used for several Reclamation projects. It
> > > generally
> > > > requires holes from 1½-2 inches in diameter spaced less
than 2 feet
> > > apart.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The south tower, WTC 2, which had been hit second, was the
first to
> > > > suffer a complete structural collapse at 10:05am, 62 minutes
after
> > > being
> > > > hit itself, 80 minutes after the first impact.
> > > > The north tower, WTC 1, then also collapsed at 10:29am, 104
minutes
> > > > after being hit.
> > > >
http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/World_Trade_Center.html
> > > >
> > > > *Collapse times
> > > > South Tower -- 80 minutes, approx one and a half hours
> > > > North tower -- 104 minutes, approx two hours*
> > > >
> > > > Greater Baton Rouge Business Report - *November 1, 1990*
> > > > *Diana Armstrong* knew a good opportunity when she saw it. She
ran
> > > > across the product last year at a trade show and now she is
> > > distributing
> > > > Betonamit in some 20 states, Canada, Mexico and the Virgin
Islands.
> > > > Representatives of *Kubatec, the European company that makes
the
> > > > Betonamit powder*, were looking for an American investor. At
the
> time,
> > > > the product was widely used in Europe, but it had not been
> > > introduced to
> > > > the United States.
> > > > Armstrong said she researched the company, visited its *lab in
> > > > Liechtenstein* and tested the product before buying into the
idea.
> > > > <snip>
> > > > "Louisiana doesn't have any rock," she said. "I had to start
with
> > > places
> > > > where there was already an interest in my product, so I
started
> in the
> > > > Northeast."
> > > > *For example, one of Betonamit's largest clients is the New
York
> > > Transit
> > > > Authority.
> > > > *"The workers are continually making repairs on the subway
> system, but
> > > > they can't blast. And because they do most of their work from
11
> > > p.m. to
> > > > 6 a.m., they have to hold down on the noise," Armstrong said.
> > > > She has also provided Betonamit to NASA at Cape Canaveral in
August
> > > > where workers used Betonamit to tear down a submerged concrete
> piling
> > > > near the base. And in Washington, engineers used the product
for a
> > > > sensitive job 500 feet underneath a hydroelectric plant.
> > > > Although, Armstrong handles some of these special jobs
> personally, much
> > > > of her business is through distributors.
> > > > Her largest distributor is an Ohio hardware salesman who
serves as
> > > > master distributor in the New England area. She's also
established
> > > > master distributors in Canada and Mexico.
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > Betonamit's competition is two similar Japanese products sold
in the
> > > > United States--Bristar and S-Mite. But Armstrong claims the
products
> > > > lack some of the qualities available with Betonamit.
> > > > Betonamit can be used at any temperature, with warmer
temperatures
> > > > increasing the speed of the expansion process. The reaction
exerts
> > > up to
> > > > 12,000 pounds per square inch of pressure. And depending upon
> the size
> > > > of the structure and the temperature, *the demolition process
> can take
> > > > as little as one and a-half hours* or as much as 36 hours,
Armstrong
> > > said.
> > > > Because the product is easy to use and ecologically safe,
*Betonamit
> > > > requires no license or permit for _use_ or transportation.
> > > > *The product comes in two types: Betonamit Type R is the
standard
> > > liquid
> > > > form used to fill vertically drilled holes; Type S is a
putty-like,
> > > > kneadable mass that can be put into holes drilled overhead and
> > > > horizontally, as well as holes in porous or cracked material.
It can
> > > > also be easily used in underwater applications.
> > > > The Japanese products, however, require three to four
additives
> > > > depending upon the temperature, and they're limited to the
> liquid form,
> > > > Armstrong said.
> > > >
> > >
>
http://www.caribbean7.com/articles/virgin-islands/virgin-islands-article-4290.html
> > >
> > > > *How utterly convenient is the fact that these non-explosives
do not
> > > > require permits of any type.
> > > > *
> > > > *U.S. ANCHOR'S COMPOUNDS FUELING COMPANY GROWTH*
> > > > Magazine: South Florida Business Journal, *February 24, 1995*
> > > > Though *U.S. Anchor* has an answer for many South Florida
> building ills,
> > > > *president Hart McIntyre* insists his company doesn't sell
> products. "We
> > > > sell solutions," he said.
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > The company also has searched the globe for products generally
not
> > > > available in the states. One is Upat, a line of mechanical
anchors.
> > > > Another is Kubatec, a European product sold under the name
> Betonamit.
> > > > When mixed with water, this non-explosive demolition material
can
> > > > produce 12,000 to 14,000 pounds per square inch of pressure,
> effectively
> > > > shattering any rock or stone substrate without explosion or
> spark. It
> > > > may be more expensive than dynamite, McIntyre admitted. But
*in
> areas
> > > > where blasting is unrealistic or will violate restrictions on
> noise or
> > > > flammability, like hospitals or office buildings, Betonamit is
a
> viable
> > > > alternative.
> > > > *"When you're willing to put a pencil to the job-costing
> process, this
> > > > can be the way to go," he said.
> > > >
> > >
>
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10
>
> > >
>
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> > >
> > > >
> > >
>
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>
> > >
>
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> > > >
> > > > *When the twin towers collapsed, the Port Authority
Trans-Hudson
> > > > Corporations WTC commuter rail station underneath the site was
> > > > destroyed, along with one unoccupied train.* Also, transit
> tunnels and
> > > > stations at the site were severely damaged, causing
interruption
> of MTA
> > > > New York City Transit subway service on two lines.
> > > > A special commemorative issue of /At Your Service,/ the NYC
Transit
> > > > employee newsletter, described the damage: nearly 1,400 feet
of
> subway
> > > > tunnels beneath the towers had caved in or had filled with
rubble;
> > > > utilities had collapsed into the tunnel; columns from the
World
> Trade
> > > > Center had pierced the tunnel roof; and two-thirds of the
Cortlandt
> > > > Street Station on the WTC site had also given way.
> > > > According to NYC Transit President Lawrence G. Reuter, who
moderated
> > > the
> > > > session, the restoration of subway service through Ground Zero
> and the
> > > > reopening of one of the Rector Street Station in less than
nine
> months
> > > > was one of the most successful subway-infrastructure
reconstruction
> > > > projects in the systems history.
> > > > http://www.apta.com/passenger_transport/thisweek/0930-6.cfm
> > > >
> > > > *I thought that the third rail on those trains is electrified.
> > > > How come there were no spontaneous fires in the vicinity, and
most
> > > > especially fires involving gas lines?
> > > > How come the tunnels were not flooded with water? Who shut off
the
> > > mains?
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow, it is very very gratifying to see thermite
> > > > (and hopefully later cementitious compunds)
> > > > entering the mainstrewam 911 debate.*
> > > >
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:59:40 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Chertoff - A great man we should all trust to keep up safe?
I have to say, I'm proud of this post at my blog:
http://bgtruth.blogspot.com/2006/02/chertoff-defends-arab-port-control-us.html
Blogger Thoughts: When you tell the American people that the dirty Arabs did
9/11, which is a complete lie, of course, and then you let Arab owned
companies manage our ports, the poor deluded American people just don't
understand. Poor morons.
Original News Story;
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10704051/from/RSS/
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:00:07 -0000
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
FONEBONE, could you please send me a copy as well? Email is
perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com
Thank you in advance.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "FONEBONE" <fonebone@...> wrote:
>
> Mornin Alex I have sent the original post again
> Yahoo does't archive the graphics I guess
> If the graphics don't come thru again ,include your direct email and
I'll
> send it to you directly
>
> --Fonebone
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:54 AM
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis
of the
> first hit ("impact" only)
>
>
> Is there a link with this or pictures? All I see is text.
>
> But otherwise I agree in general with your comments.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "FONEBONE" <fonebone@> wrote:
> >
> > WHERE ARE the 160 foot wide wings ?
> >
> > They created this scar <below> in the NORTH TOWER NORTH FACE AT
IMPACT
> > NO?
> > <left> Underside of a Boeing 767 <right> magnification
of the
> > "PLANE"
> > and shadow from the still extracted from the Naudet video with a
color
> > filter applied
> > to ferret out hidden details
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scar of Jumbo-jet in WTC 1 north wall created by the 160 foot
wings ---
> > again color filtered for clue extraction -
> >
> > This scar had to be created by preplaced and prepositioned explosive
> charges
> > to created this Hollywood
> > Special Effect scar because there DAMN SURE AIN'T NO 160 FOOT
WIDE WINGS
> >
> >
> >
> > The width of the tower wall is 220 feet and the tip to tip wing span
> of a
> > Boeing 767 is 160 feet
> > This ratio of 160 / 220 is reduced to 16 / 22 and finally to 8
/ 11
> > The ratio of wingspan to building width with the angle of bank at
> impact as
> > indicated by the scar
> > is superimposed in RED over the cigar shaped scar to indicate
> exactly where
> > these huge
> > FAT WINGS SHOULD BE -
> > The YELLOW ball indicates SUN position with the yellow line
revealing
> > SUN-RAY Path
> > to help thinkers gauge exactly where the WING SHADOWS should be
> >
> >
> >
> > WHERE ARE THE 160 FOOT WINGS ?
> > point them out --
> > CUT the CRAP THIS is a MISSILE - FONEBONE
> >
> >
> >
> > [FONEBONE]
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:47 AM
> > To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of
> the first
> > hit ("impact" only)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> > .html
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:03:07 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: USS Cole (prob old news to most of you)
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] USS Cole (prob old news to most of you)
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:37:57 -0600
can't provide link now, but i put up today at team8plus.org also
an article, where it's mentioned that the president from yemen claimed,
that Yemen was never informed about USS Cole coming to Yemen, though
it's official procedure. I think, it's even same article (?)
Should be in MISC, "Scripting Terror Soap" -last update
> At the time of the bombings, a Yemeni regime official advanced the theory
> that the U.S. had blown up the boat itself, as pretense for an invasion.
>
> http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=1614&cid=2&sid=90
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:08:15 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Kopie: alexldent@yahoo.com
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of
> the first hit ("impact" only)
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:37:01 +0100 (MET)
>
I forgot that FONEBONE should also get an upload okay.
Will try to change the settings for some other candidates and inform
later this day.
Maybe Rosalee has also time to do it. I'm at office until 5 PM EST.
>>>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the
> first hit ("impact" only)
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:23 -0000
>
not enough coffee here :)
I meant to say, i often don't recognize, if there was a file attached,
until i scroll to end of message -:)
>>>>>>>
I also have often to scroll to end at message to see,
if there's a message.
My suggestion:
The moderators allow some members, who are most active with video/audio
stuff, to upload these files into our file folder section at yahoogroup and
then just post the link or an info.
I recommend to allow uploads for Alex, PerpYnq, Rob...
Anyone else, please request an upload okay.
>>>>I can never can see any attachments on this board, both on Mac and PC.
Anyway: alexldent@yahoo.com<<<
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:20:12 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Don't miss this free video for the "Truth about 9/11" Forward Everywhere
You see the "black birds" of course but during the slow motion sequence of the plane those "birds" should be in slow motion too. Well, of course they are so what speed must they be flying at?
http://reopen911.org/pictures_and_videos.htm#1
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:02:54 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
Greg, what are you wearing tomorrow? Are you wearing a suite and tie? I think you should. Casual wear will show that you are a "hippy" and well, casual whereas you want to reflect that you mean business. If you are wearing what office workers on Monday morning are wearing they will relate to you better. Jeans and sweat shirt will reflect you are a drop out.
Hope you don't take offence. Be a business man who means business.
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From: greg nixon
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
Let's try to cut down on the bad pr please. No one is hugging any planes at this rally.
This is a call for an angry mob to scream bloody murder in the streets and call the gatekeepers at their game, supporting the Bush regime. The Sander issue was an oversight. Let it go.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:41:09 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
And that bank to the left [seen at the time of the "last minute" turn to the left] is only slight compared with the other versions which show it heavily banked. Is "175" still being elusive? See the "pod shot" version and you can image what the angle is. The blue plane is only seen banking on making the left turn but otherwise it seems to be flying level.
Is this just another version? Are they getting better with practice.
----- Original Message -----
From: Nico Haupt
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Cc: perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax
> pictures from CNN
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:41:39 -0000
>
i still believe, the most contradicting "flying"- and "speed" anamoly
compared with all over clips (including this at
http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/, i call it 'remake')
is at http://thewebfairy.com/911/2hit/blueplane.htm
It's still very fascinating, seeing this object in a totally different
behavior, also shaking a lot and turning its belly, which is awesome for a
767 :)
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:32:08 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
And now we have seen the blue plane which is seen to exactly fit this description "The plane had SLIGHTLY banked at the last second" it seems that the tail may have crossed Praimnaths line of sight or the authors of "102 Minutes" have seen the "blue plane" video before.
----- Original Message -----
From: alexldent
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:19 PM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
this guy was at the center of the crash and survived?
what a load of hooey!
Good catch about seeing the "U". That seems rather unlikely.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...>
wrote:
>
> I was going to do an article/analysis of the facts surrounding an eye witness
to the approach of 175 but this is an ideal time so here it is, in brief.
>
> Stanley Praimnath [assistant vice president] of Fugi Bank who had floors 78-
83 in the south tower. 175 cut across, off centre, floors 77-84. 175 plunged
through into the room where he had to dive beneath his desk. [on the 81st
floor] The plane had SLIGHTLY banked at the last second. The Fugi offices
were at the centre of the crash area. The wing of the jet was jammed into a
door, twenty feet from where Praimnath was beneath his desk.
>
> His office window looked south over New York Harbour and the Statue of
Liberty. Whilst seated he spotted an unfamiliar shape on the horizon. He
could see the red and blue marking and the letter "U" as it approached. He
dived under his desk.
>
> Here is a picture of N612UA:-
>
> http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0844867&WxsIERv=Obrvat%20767-
222&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Havgrq%20Nveyvarf&QtODMg=Ybf%20Natryrf%20-
%20Vagreangvbany%20%28YNK%20%2F%20XYNK%29&ERDLTkt=
HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Wnahnel%2028%2C%201997&BP=1&
WNEb25u=Xwryy%20avyffba&xsIERvdWdsY=A612HN&MgTUQtODMgKE=
Guvf%20nvepensg%20penfurq%20vagb%20Jbeyq%20Genqr%20Pragre%2
C%20ohvyqvat%20Gjb%20va%20ALP%2C%20ba%20Frcg%2011%2C%20
2001...%209%3A03%20ybpny%20gvzr%20nf%20syvtug%20HN175&
YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=4479&NEb25uZWxs=2005-05-
24%2017%3A19%3A37&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=21873%2F41&static=
yes&width=1024&height=665&sok=&photo_nr=14&prev_id=0865747&
next_id=0838568&size=L
>
> The red & blue marking to which Stanley Praimnath refers is obviously the
logo on the planes' tailfin [in fact it is two "U"'s overlayed
>
> Praimnath is said to be on the phone to a colleague in Chicago who had
rang to inquire after his well-being and she was watching the tv and listening
to him at the same time. These facts attributed to Praimnath are not in quotes.
>
> I'm sure our resident expert with Flight Simulator, Marcus could simulate the
angle at which 175 was flying towards the south wall of the south tower for
Praimnath to have seen a side view of the tailfin but I'm sure you will all see
how very unlikely this is. To see the "U" the tailfin would have had to be flying
across Praimnaths' line of sight. Had it been flying across his line of sight it
would have passed the south tower and thus he would have looked foolish
had he then dived under his desk.
>
> Now, had Praimnath "seen" the UA livery, as a whole, which would have
been more likely [although still doubtful if it was flying towards him and the
tower] that would have been oviously sufficient. The question is how did he
see the "U" instead of the vast amount of livery?
>
> What puts this beyond any question of fakery is the fact that had he seen the
side of the tail he would have seen the side of the fuselage with the airline
name along it. Of course had the side of the fuselage been seen that would
have been too obvious the plane was flying past the tower and not towards it.
>
> [source of Praimnaths' alleged observations - the book "102 Minutes".
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rosalee Grable
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com ; Marcus Icke
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your
hoax pictures from CNN
>
>
> But it's an EXCELLENT fake...absolutely state of the art..
> The oookiest part is the accents.
> Rick Siegel hasn't gotten back to me about whatever connection with his
> production company, which is not "his" but was hired.
> Seigel, in exile growing his own food in Europe, didn't even have an
> internet connection at the time.
>
> I haven't yet recovered the archive from June 2005 alerting me to this file.
> It was a message from Marcus Icke, who somehow always knows where
good
> footage is.
>
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
>
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > Bizarre. The path of the plane is clearly at a much different angle
> > than any other second hit footage I've seen. Clearly fake.
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <
webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This is the best second hit cartoon I've ever seen.
> >> I first saw it as as an alleged "preview clip" from 911eyewitness,
> >> downloaded from Blue Star Productions in June 2005.
> >> Perhaps Jullie Blattenbauer can give more details of the source as she
> >> knows it.
> >>
> >> This second hit IS NOT part of the 911eyewitness footage on the DVD,
> >>
> > and
> >
> >> Rick Siegel says he didn't see any planes and didn't know anybody
> >>
> > who did.
> >
> >> Larger version:
> >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Loughrey wrote:
> >>
> >>> this is a much smoother version of the flight 175
> >>> animation. This time the movement seems less
> >>> skittish. Still, it continues to displays the same
> >>> perspective problem that Webfairy has noticed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Julie Blattenbauer <> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:00:42 -0800
> >>>> From: "Julie Blattenbauer" <>
> >>>> To: ScottL44@
> >>>> Subject: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.bodyatomic.com/video.html
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:08:59 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
I was wrong.
The duplicates are throughout the footage.
Still, the "plane" is interesting.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/hop
And I caught stills of the explosion featuring what appears to be an
external explosion at the beginning, and an explosion with the
ultra-bright yellow we've seen from thermite.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/boom
There is a flashie now of the smoke and flashes at the Woolworth building
http://thewebfairy.com/911/big
at the bottom of the page
alexldent wrote:
>>>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
>>>>
>>> The "plane" hippityhops.
>>> This is proof it is animation. The duplicates stop as soon as it
>>> vanishes behind the building for a shade too long.
>>> That's not the only thing wrong with it!
>>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/<<<
>>>
>
> Is there anyway you can put something together on a page showing how
> there are duplicates with the plane and then they stop when the plane
> goes behind the building?
>
> That seems to be solid proof of video manipulation, and it would be
> great if we had a page that lays out this proof.
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:13:45 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: click this link
Great Explosion picture with images successfully visable.
Re: [catapult] "Let There be Light!" - Six Days of Creation: Sept 11-17,
2001
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/catapultthepropaganda/message/21823
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:26:05 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
Thanks for making a page with the frames. That's great to have it laid out like
that. Golly, you're fast!!!
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> I was wrong.
> The duplicates are throughout the footage.
>
> Still, the "plane" is interesting.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/hop
> And I caught stills of the explosion featuring what appears to be an
> external explosion at the beginning, and an explosion with the
> ultra-bright yellow we've seen from thermite.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/boom
>
> There is a flashie now of the smoke and flashes at the Woolworth building
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big
> at the bottom of the page
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> >>>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
> >>>>
> >>> The "plane" hippityhops.
> >>> This is proof it is animation. The duplicates stop as soon as it
> >>> vanishes behind the building for a shade too long.
> >>> That's not the only thing wrong with it!
> >>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/<<<
> >>>
> >
> > Is there anyway you can put something together on a page showing how
> > there are duplicates with the plane and then they stop when the plane
> > goes behind the building?
> >
> > That seems to be solid proof of video manipulation, and it would be
> > great if we had a page that lays out this proof.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:44:13 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Update on Lockerbie Pan Am 103
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2006/02/lockerbie-new-forensic-tests-suggest.html
Also
http://plane-truth.com/lockerbie_2006.htm
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:49:52 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
About that second WTC1 collapse cloud they layer over-- that brings up an
interesting question. How long DID "the spire" stay up before it turned to
dust?
Was it longer than ten seconds?
Does anyone know?
If so, that would blow the pancake theory completely out of the water, since
the intact core should have survived any floor pancaking, much less part of
the core (the spire).
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> I was wrong.
> The duplicates are throughout the footage.
>
> Still, the "plane" is interesting.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/hop
> And I caught stills of the explosion featuring what appears to be an
> external explosion at the beginning, and an explosion with the
> ultra-bright yellow we've seen from thermite.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/boom
>
> There is a flashie now of the smoke and flashes at the Woolworth building
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big
> at the bottom of the page
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> >>>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
> >>>>
> >>> The "plane" hippityhops.
> >>> This is proof it is animation. The duplicates stop as soon as it
> >>> vanishes behind the building for a shade too long.
> >>> That's not the only thing wrong with it!
> >>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/<<<
> >>>
> >
> > Is there anyway you can put something together on a page showing how
> > there are duplicates with the plane and then they stop when the plane
> > goes behind the building?
> >
> > That seems to be solid proof of video manipulation, and it would be
> > great if we had a page that lays out this proof.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:18:30 -0500
From: <ronald.bleier@gmail.com>
Subject: A.Jones: Cheney shot 'im at 15 ft --not 90
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From: stu8340 <stu8340@comcast.net>
Date: Feb 17, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: [ElectionFraud2004] SCIENTIFIC PROOF CHENEY'S SHOOTING STORY A LIE
To: Agressive Progressives <AggressiveProgressives@yahoogroups.com>, apfn-1@yahoogroups.com, catapultthepropaganda@yahoogroups.com, CIA Tradecraft <cia_tradecraft@yahoogroups.com >, Constitution Group <TheConstitutionEnforcementAlliance@yahoogroups.com>, Election Fraud < ElectionFraud2004@yahoogroups.com>, Indianbreeds Group <IndianBreeds@yahoogroups.com>, Randi Rhodes Group <RandiRhodes@yahoogroups.com >, Truth Group <TruthShallPrevail@yahoogroups.com>, we the people <WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED@yahoogroups.com >
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/cheney_shooting_scientific_proof.htm
SCIENTIFIC PROOF CHENEY'S SHOOTING STORY A LIE
Harry Whittington Shooting Ballistics Tested, Cheney shot at Whittington from 15 feet not 90 as claimed
Infowars | February 16, 2006
By Alex Jones
SYNOPSIS OF VIDEO NEWS REPORT DOCUMENTING SHOOTING TEST
by Alex Jones
Below is a ten minute "see-for-yourself" report that conclusively shows that Vice President Dick Cheney's claims to Kennedy County Sheriff's Deputies in south Texas is a total fabrication.
A massive cover-up has been conducted concerning the shooting. We know that most of the facts that have been told to the public are manufactured frauds.
Cheney claims that he shot Whittington at 90 feet, ballistic tests from the spread of the shotgun pellets to their penetration depth is 100% conclusive.
High Bandwidth: WinMedia| Quicktime
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Backup Highband Video: WinMedia | Quicktime
Harry Whittington was shot at close range, between 15 and 18 feet, not the 90 claimed by Dick Cheney and the Secret Service. It is now clear why they refused to let Sheriff's Deputies interview Cheney for over 13 hours and why they claimed that Whittington's injuries were superficial when in truth they were grievous.
The mainstream media is ignoring this literal smoking gun evidence. Anytime they wish, the local police can conduct their own ballistics tests and they will have the exact same findings. The media can conduct their own tests. The ballistics of shotguns and birdshot is well known to tens of millions of Americans who hunt fowl.
We have now scientifically proved with an engineer and a police officer on-site conducting the test that the American people are being lied to and a cover-up is in progress.
Observations of the Ballistics Test
Infowars | February 15, 2006
By Kevin Smith
Gelatin Testing: #8 Birdshot Statistics
a.. Range: 3 yards
b.. Shotgun: 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnumn
c.. Round: 12 gauge 2¾ Remington Heavy Dove 1-1/8 oz #8 Birdshot
d.. Gelatin: 9'x9'x19' 10% ordinance gelatin block
e.. Measured Average Permenant Cavity Penetration: 4.5 inches (11.4 cm)
f.. Temporary Stretch Cavity: 1.0 to 3 inches (2.5 to 7.6 cm)
g.. Calibration BB Velocity: 623 fps
h.. Calibration BB Penetration: 12.5 cm
#4 Remington Heavy Dove out of an 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnum
Observations
*Small sized birdshot such as this #8 heavy dove load is a poor choice for deployment with a tactical shotgun. Wounds inflicted from birdshot tend to be gruesome yet shallow as they lack the penetration required to reach vital cardiovascular or central nervous system structures.
RELATED:
Cheney's shotgun
Media Ignores Cheney 'Smoking Gun'
Texas Sheriff Barred From Interviewing Cheney About Shooting Incident
More Questions Raised About Delay in Reporting Cheney Misfire
Hunter Shot by Cheney Has Heart Attack
On February 14, 2006 when I made my original comments about the Cheney shooting incident on The Alex Jones Show, the subsequent article and ballistic data that I complied were based on a basic knowledge of firearms and my own personal and shared hunting experiences. I assumed that they were probably using #4 or #5 birdshot, accordingly I went to the http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/ website and gathered that specific data. We now know the shot being used was an even smaller grain #7.5 birdshot, packing even less lethal ballistics than previously thought. Included is data for #8 birdshot, the closest we could find, any differences between #7.5 and #8 would be negligible.
As many of you already know Alex is a Pit Bull, he sinks his teeth in and won't let go. So yesterday I accompanied Alex to the local gun store where he purchased a 28 gauge side-by-side double barreled shotgun with one barrel modified and the other full-chocked. Which means the first barrel has a slightly wider spread than the second, this allows for a quick reaction shot when the bird is flushed, and if missed, the second shot will allow for a better aimed tighter spread shot.
Alex also purchased the same 2 ¾ inch #7.5 shotgun shells used by Cheney. So this morning February 16, the crew was off to the local range to conduct a controlled, scientific ballistic test to prove that the official story coming from the Cheney camp, describing the circumstances of the Whittington shooting to be bold-faced lies. Again, we can't speculate at this time as to whether there was any malice or intent involved, or whether it was a simple hunting accident, such as a dropped gun or a snagged trigger. Although, as I speculated the other day about the delay in allowing the Sheriff to interview "Quick-Draw Cheney," it has now been confirmed that Cheney had indeed had at least one beer during lunch. If you accept the notion that he stopped at one, that's like eating one potato chip, you must also consider the fact that he could be on a number of medications for his heart condition that would cause adverse effects if mixed with alcohol. The incident may have been an accident, an unlucky fluke, a simple twist of fate, but what happened in the aftermath of the shooting is without a doubt a crime, cover-up, and a conspiracy. Here's how we proved it:
We used three cameras to film the test, two were fixed at different angles to the targets, the other was used to film Alex shooting the shotgun. In our group we had Raymond, a former NASA contract engineer from the Apollo program with prior service in the Air Force to make sure the measurements were correct. Another in our team was Karl, a former Airborne Infantrymen, M.P., weapons and self-defense instructor, and former law enforcement, to explain the nature of shot trajectory and wound ballistics. And finally there was Ryan and I on the cameras.
The first thing we did was to measure out 90 feet or 30 yards from where we were to set-up the various targets. We erected man sized torso targets for the shots from 90 feet, 30 feet, 15 feet, and 10 feet. We also made shots from both barrels. The first shot was from 90 feet into the paper target on a cardboard backing, this gave a spread of approximately 7 ½ feet. Rule of thumb, you get 1 inch of spread for every 1 foot of distance away from the barrel. Most of the pellets were lodged in the cardboard with a few completely penetrating the 1/8 of an inch cardboard. The next shot involved the latex torso dummy we brought, he was dressed in two layers of clothing, a sweater and a shirt. Mr. Whittington was reported to be wearing 3 layers. Again this shot was from 90 feet, most of the shot that hit the target were caught in the fibers of the clothing, a few actually penetrated through both layers, but these were extremely shallow and could be picked out with your fingers or tweezers. The same goes for the neck and face, if the pellets hit at any sort of an angle if would they simply bounce off. The next shots were taken at 30 feet in case Cheney and his goons were to come out with a correction from yards to feet. This yielded a spread that was more than 2 feet in diameter, still at least twice as wide as the Texas Park and Wildlife Hunting Accident and Incident Report Form indicated. We next took a shot from 15 feet or 5 yards (that's half a first down). The spread from this distance was approximately 8 to 10 inches. Imagine the sight picture you would see looking down the barrel from 15 feet. Mr. Whittington's upper body would fill your vision, are we to believe that a bird flew between Mr. Whittington and Cheney, the bird would have had to be almost touching the end of the barrel. The shot taken from 10 feet had a spread of around 6 inches. In both the 10 foot and 15 foot shots the holes made by the wad were significant. With the data from these distances and their corresponding spreads we feel comfortable in stating that Mr. Whittington was shot from a distance of between 15 and 18 feet. There is no confusing this distance with that of 90 feet.
So we have established the distance of the shot. Now we wanted to see if we could match the wound penetration. As I already stated the shots at the dummy torso from 90 feet had little to no effect. Alex then decided to shoot the game hen and the watermelon from 90 feet. The results of these shots were penetrations of 1 to 2 millimeters, this means they were just under the outer layer of skin. There was also evidence of impacts that bounced off, leaving black smudges on both targets. At shots taken from 30 feet slightly deeper penetrations, but nothing that went passed the most outer layers of the actual meat. The last shot was taken at the game hen from 15 feet and that shot yielded the kind of results that Mr. Whittington experienced, a tight cluster of pellet hits penetrating into the internal cavities of the body.
In Conclusion the Kenedy County Sheriffs department closed its investigation on Thursday February 16th, without ever even being allowed to conduct one. It was clear from day one that the Cheney and Rove spin machine were engaging in a cover-up. We don't know the specifics of what they are covering up, but what we do know is 100% scientifically proven. Mr. Whittington was shot from 15 to 18 feet, not the 90 feet claimed by Cheney. They acted very suspiciously by declaring national security and ordering the Secret Service to keep the Sheriff from questioning Cheney for over 13 hours. They then Care-Flighted Mr. Whittington to a hospital that was further away while declaring his wounds to be minor and superficial. Care-flight is reserved for only the most critically wounded, but 22 hours after the shooting incident they announced to the world that his wounds were minor, telling us he was sitting up in bed and cracking jokes. In the meantime the hospital had already x-rayed his chest and catheterized his heart to shunt the massive internal bleeding. But for a day and a half afterwards Whitehouse Press Secretary Scott McClellan was denying it. We know that Cheney is lying. He shot Mr. Whittington up-close and whatever the circumstance are they're either more embarrassing or outright criminal than he's willing to admit. Meanwhile the liberal press is attacking Cheney for all the wrong reasons and the straw-men they build will easily be toppled, unless the people stand-up and demand an examination of the real facts.
INFOWARS: BECAUSE THERE'S A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND
--
Ronald Bleier
http://desip.igc.org
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:24:27 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Left Geatekeepers: For the ones who may not be doing it on purpose: IS THERE ANY END TO THEIR STUPIDITY?
look at this post from Ameriblog
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/02/cartoon-protesters.html
He compares the Islamic protesters to the WTO protesters and doesn't have a
clue that they are just "cartoon" characters in the game of control of the
masses. This concept isn't really that hard... Why can't people see?
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:59:37 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
Plaguepuppy (MIT trained engineer before he decided to be a physician
instead)
has written extensively about the spire, and studied it's videos from
all angles.
starter point
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/spire/The%20Strange%20Collapse%20of%20the%20Spire.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=plaguepuppy+spire
alexldent wrote:
> About that second WTC1 collapse cloud they layer over-- that brings up an
> interesting question. How long DID "the spire" stay up before it turned to
> dust?
>
> Was it longer than ten seconds?
>
> Does anyone know?
>
> If so, that would blow the pancake theory completely out of the water, since
> the intact core should have survived any floor pancaking, much less part of
> the core (the spire).
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> wrote:
>
>> I was wrong.
>> The duplicates are throughout the footage.
>>
>> Still, the "plane" is interesting.
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/hop
>> And I caught stills of the explosion featuring what appears to be an
>> external explosion at the beginning, and an explosion with the
>> ultra-bright yellow we've seen from thermite.
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/boom
>>
>> There is a flashie now of the smoke and flashes at the Woolworth building
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big
>> at the bottom of the page
>>
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:54:27 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Left Geatekeepers: For the ones who may not be doing it on purpose: IS THERE
I have found Americablog to be the lamest of the lefty blogs in terms of
political sophistication and shallowest in terms of analysis/understanding. I
don't quite understand why it gets as many hits as it does.
Their one big scoop was finding out that white house reporter was a male
prostitute, Jeff Gannon. I guess they are still living off that....
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@...>
wrote:
>
> look at this post from Ameriblog
> http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/02/cartoon-protesters.html
>
> He compares the Islamic protesters to the WTO protesters and doesn't have
a
> clue that they are just "cartoon" characters in the game of control of the
> masses. This concept isn't really that hard... Why can't people see?
>
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:57:49 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
Thanks-- I read that page sometime back.
Says "the spire" stood for 15-20 seconds after the collapse. It's quite an
amazing phenomenon.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> Plaguepuppy (MIT trained engineer before he decided to be a physician
> instead)
> has written extensively about the spire, and studied it's videos from
> all angles.
>
> starter point
> http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/spire/
The%20Strange%20Collapse%20of%20the%20Spire.htm
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=plaguepuppy+spire
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > About that second WTC1 collapse cloud they layer over-- that brings up
an
> > interesting question. How long DID "the spire" stay up before it turned to
> > dust?
> >
> > Was it longer than ten seconds?
> >
> > Does anyone know?
> >
> > If so, that would blow the pancake theory completely out of the water,
since
> > the intact core should have survived any floor pancaking, much less part
of
> > the core (the spire).
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <
webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I was wrong.
> >> The duplicates are throughout the footage.
> >>
> >> Still, the "plane" is interesting.
> >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/hop
> >> And I caught stills of the explosion featuring what appears to be an
> >> external explosion at the beginning, and an explosion with the
> >> ultra-bright yellow we've seen from thermite.
> >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/boom
> >>
> >> There is a flashie now of the smoke and flashes at the Woolworth
building
> >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big
> >> at the bottom of the page
> >>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:10:59 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
The amazing part(s) is that this was that it was recorded live on TV,
the best and clearest view of this huge spire of metal suddenly turning
to dust and blowing off sideways.
The manipulators of this footage obviously found how long the spire
stands unmolested to be embarrassing, and tried a coverup.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/glow
is a large scale view of the event, which is also accompanied by
"unearthly glow" .
Neither effect can be explained by traditional controlled demolition.
alexldent wrote:
> Thanks-- I read that page sometime back.
>
> Says "the spire" stood for 15-20 seconds after the collapse. It's quite an
> amazing phenomenon.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Plaguepuppy (MIT trained engineer before he decided to be a physician
>> instead)
>> has written extensively about the spire, and studied it's videos from
>> all angles.
>>
>> starter point
>> http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/spire/
>>
> The%20Strange%20Collapse%20of%20the%20Spire.htm
>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=plaguepuppy+spire
>>
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:56:50 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Uploading Files
...i just figured out, that everyone is able to upload files into our group
folder, LOL. That should be possible at
Files
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911InsideJobbers/files/
Add File
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911InsideJobbers/sfupld?path=/
then you just need to highlight/copy the link and paste it into this list,
maybe better minimalize it with tinyurl.com
Right now 11% is used, so we have to figure out how much space we have and
maybe limit the time for a huge file, that everyone is able to download it
in time....
--
10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:27:57 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Sander Hicks on AirAmerica: No word about GregNixon
...Sander Hicks was on Air America, but he's still the self-promoting ego he
always was. 15 minutes talk, but no word about Greg Nixon's protest
tomorrow. This about loosing opportunities for promoting real activism...
http://www.hicksforgovernor.com/2006/02/majority-report-air-america.html
http://www.911truth.org/media/sanderhicks2172006aa.mp3
Friday, February 17, 2006
Majority Report, Air America!
BIG UP to Majority Report's Janeane Garofalo for having me on national prime
time radio tonight. We covered a lot of ground in about 20 minutes...
http://www.hicksforgovernor.com/on911.html
"...Our campaign does not claim the entire Federal Government was behind
9/11. But a secretive compartment of the US intelligence machine has close
ties to Pakistani intelligence and their shock troops, "Al Qaeda". This
relationship was the fetid breeding ground for what happened on 9/11..."
--
DSL-Aktion wegen großer Nachfrage bis 28.2.2006 verlängert:
GMX DSL-Flatrate 1 Jahr kostenlos* http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:34:01 -0800
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Jeb Bush: Bird Flu might hit Florida first
Saturday, you wrote this? I didn't get it until Sun. night.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <totalinfo@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Jeb Bush: Bird Flu might hit Florida
first
>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> Von: "Total Information" <totalinfo@gmail.com>
>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Jeb Bush: Bird Flu might hit
>> Florida first
>> Datum: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:23:11 -0500
>
>
> ....bets are open here, but i also think it's too early for Iran.
>
> I think Russia will force Iran to postpone the EURO
> currency for oil and we will have an attack later this year,
> maybe triggered via an iranian ny subway gas attack or maybe Israel
> is someohow doing the dirty job via nuke without any clear reason or
> AQ
> will "merge" with Hamas and kill Sharon.
>
> Then somehow i still believe in my taiwanese 'al quaeda' scenario of
> attacking china with "weaponized bird flu", developed in Iraq,
> triggering
> US, Russia and China into a world war, against their own departments
> of AQ,
> with the cover for sheeple as the next phase of the "long war".
>
> Meanwhile "riots" will be common thing, that NATO and privatized
> military
> can oppress this outrage easily and martial law elections have no
> real use
> anymore. Until then possibly 9/11 'truth' is pure mainstream and
> controlled
> demolition was done by Iran, Russia or China or all of the above :)
>
> Anarchist tribes of the 9/11 truthling movement will be linked to
> Al-quaeda
> and shipped to Guantanamo Bay etc.. etc... Maybe Alex Jones has a
> better
> script, but i'm bored and it's saturday.
>
> Google chip and iPod will replace National ID, next phase are
> robotic wars
> to finally bring the troops home.
> The word fascism will be mainstreamilzed as well, but instead of US
> or
> Eurasia it will be "islamofascists", everyone is hunting.
>
> Bush will be arrested for some unpaid parking tickets and impeached
> for
> nothing. "The long war" will continue via space weapons, until
> 'islamofascists' will hack some satellites and trigger some nukes.
> Then Gerard Holmgren's scenario will take place and islamofascist
> replaced
> with wmd-aliens etc.. etc.. until we have some artificial
> intelligence and
> talk with some MIT-cyborgs about the good old times with human
> mankind.
>
> Probably Jesus will come back as a holography and we will debate if
> it's
> real :)
>
> Everyone will get crazy and civil war becomes a downloadable real
> time
> gameboy where you can DOOM some random enemies.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> I think it is good if the only governor he can get to sign on to a
>> bioterror
>> false flag is his scumbag brother!
>>
>> So maybe if Cheney is going out, Bushes will do bird flu then Rice
>> will do
>> Syria, and we don't get the iran false flag nuke until president
>> hillary
>> in
>> 2009?
>>
>> Or will Cheney stay in and try to send the Iran nuke through a UAE
>> port
>> asap?
>>
>>
>> On 2/17/06, Nico Haupt <nicohaupt@gmx.li> wrote:
>> >
>> > ...and so it might happen :)
>> > Last week i predicted it might be in the "next few weeks".
>> > Same 'opinion' now also by Leavitt/Bush:
>> >
>> > (i also speculated about a soon merger between the so called
>> > 'cartoon
>> riot
>> > movement' and a 'weaponized bird flu propaganda')
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bird flu could hit Florida first
>> > http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/17/State/Bird_flu_could_hit_Fl.shtml
>> >
>> > "...Gov. Jeb Bush expects Florida to be among the first bird flu
>> > cases
>> if
>> > a
>> > pandemic spreads to the United States.
>> >
>> > In a visit to Florida, Health and Human Services Secretary
>> > Michael
>> Leavitt
>> > warned Thursday that bird flu could reach the nation within 30
>> > days -
>> once
>> > it starts passing widely from person to person...."
>> >
>> >
>> > In October 2005, Florida had a 'bio desaster' drill:
>> > http://www.team8plus.org/forum_viewtopic.php?6.392.110
>> >
>> > "This live-action training with our partners is a valuable tool
>> > to
>> > strengthen our ability to respond to an actual event," Lillian
>> > Rivera,
>> > MDHD
>> > administrator, said. "We want to be ready to take the action
>> > necessary
>> to
>> > preserve the health and well-being of our residents and
>> > visitors."
>> >
>> > http://www.local10.com/news/5095018/detail.html
>> >
>> >
>> > so far, i am aware of bigger bird flu drills in the US starting
>> > last
>> year
>> > in:
>> >
>> > Cattaraugus County, NY
>> > Cambridge, MA
>> > Wasau, WI
>> > Springfield, IL
>> > Bay Area, CA
>> >
>> > all of them also October 2005,
>> > same month when Hongkong and Vietnam drilled a bird flu drill.
>> >
>> > Since then also minor exercises, 'awareness' events and smaller
>> drills...
>> >
>> > http://www.team8plus.org/forum_viewtopic.php?6.2133.40#2437
>> > Bird Flu Drill Updates
>> > Fri Feb 17 2006
>> >
>> > La Habra officials are planning for bird flu, simulated bird-flu
>> > drill
>> > OCRegister, CA - Feb 16,
>> > 2006
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1002611.php&cid=1104339319
>> >
>> >
>> > Basque Country to carry out bird flu drill
>> > EiTB, Spain - Feb 13,
>> > 2006
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> > Swedish Medical Center in Englewood completed an avian flu drill
>> > Feb 6, 2006
>> > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11197806/&cid=0
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>> > > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> > > Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
>> > > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>> > > Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11
>> > > article
>> > > Datum: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 04:30:26 +0100 (MET)
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Here's a profile of the MAXIM author named Zach Dundas.
>> > He's apparently very busy in Willamette Week - Quimby, Portland
>> > but not mentioned in the staff.
>> > Here is his email: zdundas@comcast.net
>> >
>> > http://www.wweek.com/author/?author=ZACH%20DUNDAS
>> >
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> > > Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
>> > > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>> > > Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11
>> > > article
>> > > Datum: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:45:34 +0100 (MET)
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > ...also MAXIM (as also PopMech or SciAM) doesn't mention any
>> > theory
>> about
>> > "no flights" or "no planes" and claims, that "conspiracists agree
>> > that
>> two
>> > airplanes hit the WTC..."
>> >
>> > If the no-planerz are so 'scary', outrageous or 'disinf' for
>> > everyone,
>> > then
>> > WHY is mainstream media no bitching about the loudest?
>> >
>> > No -they still ignore us, and that actually still convinces me,
>> > that
>> they
>> > ignore it on purpose, because it's the closest threat they can
>> > NOT
>> handle
>> > easily.
>> >
>> > I am not afraid, of seeing the "no plane/no flight" stuff
>> > belittled in
>> > mainstream media, it will be taken out of context, if so anyway,
>> > like
>> > everyone does.
>> >
>> > I say, BRING IT ON FINALLY!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> > > Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
>> > > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>> > > Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11
>> > > article
>> > > Datum: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:58:13 +0100 (MET)
>> > >
>> >
>> > quick summary and first thoughts here. Very superficial but also
>> > good PR
>> > for
>> > many of the most well known 'projects'. However...
>> >
>> > MAXIM mentions Sander Hicks, Jimmy Walter.
>> > Interesting 'opposition'.
>> >
>> > One of the highlights in the article was for me the CNN poll (not
>> > Zogby!!),
>> > which i once screen -shotted:
>> > 89% percent of respondents said there's a US government cover-up
>> > surrounding
>> > 9/11.
>> > http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1013
>> >
>> > For sure the word "cover-up" still works as a limited
>> > hangout-meme.
>> >
>> > Then, mentioned as "theory 1", actually they refer to a 2001(!)
>> > article
>> by
>> > Carol A Valentine, that "the planes
>> > got remote controlled".
>> >
>> > Then they also mentioned the british 2005 book "9/11 Revealed",
>> > David
>> Ray
>> > Griffin, but also Popular Mechanics, Scientific American.
>> >
>> > Then a psychcological "explanation" on conspiracy theories.
>> > Aha, as usual we're just mentally distorted.
>> >
>> > Theory No.2 about controlled demolition.
>> > A paragraph about Jim Hoffman is followed by William Rodriguez.
>> >
>> > Theory No.3 about "No plane at pentagon", followed by an own
>> > column
>> about
>> > David Icke and shape-shifting reptilians, together with his
>> > photo.
>> >
>> > Theory No.4, which will always be used against me, is the LIHOP
>> > stuff,
>> > though i planted it at that time (2002) as a 'crossfader trojan
>> > horse'
>> > into
>> > the next level, i underestimated leftgatekeepers, ignorance and
>> sabotage.
>> > Interestingly this column is filled up with Able Danger, Cynthia
>> McKinney
>> > and the August 2001 memo (not surprisingly, "prior knowledge"
>> > still
>> works
>> > here as a red herring.
>> > Plus saudi ties and pakistan links.
>> >
>> >
>> > Article ends with Sander Hicks again, seems he was strongly
>> > involved.
>> > The editor of the article says:
>> > "...Many of these theories stretch the patience of the most
>> > credulous.
>> But
>> > dismissing an entire tree for one rotten apple may be a rash"
>> >
>> >
>> > My conclusion after a first fast reading is, that they still need
>> > "loonies"
>> > as their biggest weapon to discredit us.
>> >
>> > Why David Icke is the bad guy, is still a mystery for me. I have
>> > no
>> clue,
>> > how reptiles can program video or demolition :)
>> >
>> >
>> > (*thx to
>> > Culhavoc)
>> >
>> > [bb]Scanned
>> > copy
>> > of
>> > Maxim[/b]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://we-dont.gotdns.org/~culhavoc/docs/MAXIM-MARCH-2006-911-Conspiracy-Theories.pdf<http://we-dont.gotdns.org/%7Eculhavoc/docs/MAXIM-MARCH-2006-911-Conspiracy-Theories.pdf>
>> >
>> > http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/02/16/maxim-911-conspiracy-theories/
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:35:40 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Jim Hoffman opposing Greg Nixon
...last minute opposition also from Jim Hoffman and co:
http://911research.wtc7.net/re911/disclaimer.html
Disclaimer
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On February 16, 2006, we became aware that a flyer, reproduced below,
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It features the URL for this website along with st911.org (the subject of
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