Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 387

Monday, February 20, 2006

[911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 387

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
2. Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
3. Chertoff - A great man we should all trust to keep up safe?
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
4. Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
5. Re: USS Cole (prob old news to most of you)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
6. Re: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
7. Re: Don't miss this free video for the "Truth about 9/11" Forward Everywhere
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
8. Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
9. Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
10. Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
11. Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
12. click this link
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
13. Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
14. Update on Lockerbie Pan Am 103
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
15. Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
16. A.Jones: Cheney shot 'im at 15 ft --not 90
From: <ronald.bleier@gmail.com>
17. Left Geatekeepers: For the ones who may not be doing it on purpose: IS THERE ANY END TO THEIR STUPIDITY?
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
18. Re: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
19. Re: Left Geatekeepers: For the ones who may not be doing it on purpose: IS THERE
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
20. Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
21. Re: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
22. Uploading Files
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
23. Sander Hicks on AirAmerica: No word about GregNixon
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
24. Re: Jeb Bush: Bird Flu might hit Florida first
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
25. Jim Hoffman opposing Greg Nixon
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:37:01 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the
> first hit ("impact" only)
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:23 -0000
>

not enough coffee here :)
I meant to say, i often don't recognize, if there was a file attached,
until i scroll to end of message -:)

>>>>>>>
I also have often to scroll to end at message to see,
if there's a message.

My suggestion:
The moderators allow some members, who are most active with video/audio
stuff, to upload these files into our file folder section at yahoogroup and
then just post the link or an info.

I recommend to allow uploads for Alex, PerpYnq, Rob...

Anyone else, please request an upload okay.

>>>>I can never can see any attachments on this board, both on Mac and PC.

Anyway: alexldent@yahoo.com

Appreciate it you could send. Thanks.<<

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:53:02 -0000
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]

Here's a pic that was posted at LetsRoll forums (by BACKHOEJOE) ; Click
here <http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e108/jsmith102/GROUNDZERO.jpg>

Note that you can see through parts of at least two columns.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...>
wrote:
>
> Can you imagine the amount of thought process required to use thermite
on the tower and the timings required to start off the thermite
reactions and then the laying of the devices and detonators?
>
> Horseshoe shaped clean steel beams. Thermite?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alexldent
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:27 PM
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the
WTC discussion.]
>
>
> That is cool, thanks!
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Ed Barner
> edwinatlcom.net@ wrote:
> >
> > Kick ass thermite video.
> > http://thewebfairy.com/911/binaries/thermite.wmv
> >
> >
> > truthinmichigan wrote:
> >
> > > Thermite produces a buttload of heat and intense blue-whiteish
light.
> > > If you set Thermite going to work away at the structure you'd
see the
> > > equivalent of an arc-welder light filtering through any cracks.
> > > People evacuating would see it. It also takes time. It's not
instant
> > > like cutter charges. They use thermite sticks -- the stuff even
burns
> > > under water -- to cut pilings, but it is like a cutting torch.
And
> > > you'd surely set adjacent materials aflame everywhere it was
used.
> > >
> > > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
<webfairy@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > Subject: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.
> > > > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:35:31 -0500
> > > > From: <naserian@>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Commentary on Killtown's piece*
> > > > *from Michael Rivero:*
> > > > *www.WhatReallyHappened.com*
<http://www.WhatReallyHappened.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 9/11 Rescuer Saw Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby
> > > >
> > >
>
<http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Posted *Feb 11, 2006 08:36 AM
> > > >
> <http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html#042766>*
PST
> > > > Category: 911
> <http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html>
> > > >
> > > > Okay, the time has come to clarify things a bit.
> > > >
> > > > While it is impossible to discount the possibility that some
form of
> > > > "assistance" such as *thermite* was used to initiate the
collapse of
> > > the
> > > > towers and WTC7, the explosions on the basements and lobbies
of the
> > > > buildings have a benign explanation.
> > > >
> > > > Remember that two passenger jets full of aviation kerosene
> crashed into
> > > > the buildings. Contrary to the official story of pooling on
the
> impact
> > > > floors, all the kerosene that did not immediately flash into
orange
> > > > flame poured down elevator and ventilation shafts to the
lowest
> levels
> > > > in the building, particlizing on the long drop down. Upon
> finding any
> > > > source of ignition, the kerosene mist would explode. The
> buildings all
> > > > shared a common basement and parking areas, so that burning
> kerosene in
> > > > the basement of one building would drive smoke across and up
> into the
> > > > other buildings. As the towers and WTC7 collapsed, air driven
into
> > > their
> > > > elevator and ventilation shafts into those shared underground
> passages
> > > > would blow huge billows of smoke out of the other buildings.
> > > >
> > > > The reason not to get tied up with reports of explosions in
the
> > > > basements and lobbies is because anything planted in the
> buildings to
> > > > trigger a collapse would have been planted at the initial
points of
> > > > failure. And, considering the attention being focused on the
> events of
> > > > 9-11, /*the planners would not use explosives that would
produce
> > > > suspicious noise and flashes.*/ The collapse would have to be
> triggered
> > > > with a minimum of visible and audible artifacts, so rather
than
> > > > explosives, a "cutter" such as *thermite *would have been used
to
> > > weaken
> > > > load bearing members.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Betonamit" "DEXPAN" and "Bristar" and " Fract.AG expansive
> mortar "
> > > > are all "*/explosives that would produce suspicious noise and
> > > > flashes." /* As a matter of fact, they do not even explode.
These
> > > > substances as marketed as non-explosive alternatives to
> fracturing rock
> > > > of re-inforced concrete. Just drill a hole, place the powder
in and
> > > then
> > > > add water -- via a sprinkle system or carefully placed hoses.
> Then run
> > > > for dear life.
> > > >
> > > > Depending on the type of SCDA(Soundless chemical demolition
> agents),
> > > > significant expansive pressure may be generated as quickly as
> within 15
> > > > min., or as long as within 24 hr.
> > > > http://www.new-technologies.org/ECT/Civil/soundche.htm
> > > >
> > > > Soundless chemical-demolition agents (SCDAs) ? These come in
powder
> > > form
> > > > and are mixed with water to form a slurry, which is inserted
in
> > > > boreholes in rock or concrete. The main component of SCDAs is
> calcium
> > > > oxide, which forms calcium hydroxide when water is added. The
> resulting
> > > > volatile reaction creates heat, and as the material
crystallizes
> within
> > > > the rock, it causes a threefold increase in volume. Tensile
> fracturing
> > > > may occur within 10-15 minutes or up to 24 hours. Although
> inhibitors
> > > > can be added to retard the chemical reaction and increase
> control over
> > > > the process, the technique is still primitive, and its actual
> field use
> > > > has been quite limited. SCDAs have generally been used only
where
> > > > blasting is prohibited, and will eliminate flyrock, noise,
> fumes, and
> > > > vibrations associated with blasting. SCDAs have been used
> underwater in
> > > > Seattle to remove bridge piers from docks and to avoid
blasting
> > > close to
> > > > shore. The high cost of SCDAs and some bad experiences in
> controlling
> > > > the pre-splitting have caused the Corps of Engineers to limit
its
> > > use of
> > > > the expansive agents.
> > > > [Source: /Civil Engineering /magazine, March 1990]
> > > > BRISTAR is a chemical-demolition agent designed for various
> temperature
> > > > ranges, and has been used for several Reclamation projects. It
> > > generally
> > > > requires holes from 1½-2 inches in diameter spaced less
than 2 feet
> > > apart.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The south tower, WTC 2, which had been hit second, was the
first to
> > > > suffer a complete structural collapse at 10:05am, 62 minutes
after
> > > being
> > > > hit itself, 80 minutes after the first impact.
> > > > The north tower, WTC 1, then also collapsed at 10:29am, 104
minutes
> > > > after being hit.
> > > >
http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/World_Trade_Center.html
> > > >
> > > > *Collapse times
> > > > South Tower -- 80 minutes, approx one and a half hours
> > > > North tower -- 104 minutes, approx two hours*
> > > >
> > > > Greater Baton Rouge Business Report - *November 1, 1990*
> > > > *Diana Armstrong* knew a good opportunity when she saw it. She
ran
> > > > across the product last year at a trade show and now she is
> > > distributing
> > > > Betonamit in some 20 states, Canada, Mexico and the Virgin
Islands.
> > > > Representatives of *Kubatec, the European company that makes
the
> > > > Betonamit powder*, were looking for an American investor. At
the
> time,
> > > > the product was widely used in Europe, but it had not been
> > > introduced to
> > > > the United States.
> > > > Armstrong said she researched the company, visited its *lab in
> > > > Liechtenstein* and tested the product before buying into the
idea.
> > > > <snip>
> > > > "Louisiana doesn't have any rock," she said. "I had to start
with
> > > places
> > > > where there was already an interest in my product, so I
started
> in the
> > > > Northeast."
> > > > *For example, one of Betonamit's largest clients is the New
York
> > > Transit
> > > > Authority.
> > > > *"The workers are continually making repairs on the subway
> system, but
> > > > they can't blast. And because they do most of their work from
11
> > > p.m. to
> > > > 6 a.m., they have to hold down on the noise," Armstrong said.
> > > > She has also provided Betonamit to NASA at Cape Canaveral in
August
> > > > where workers used Betonamit to tear down a submerged concrete
> piling
> > > > near the base. And in Washington, engineers used the product
for a
> > > > sensitive job 500 feet underneath a hydroelectric plant.
> > > > Although, Armstrong handles some of these special jobs
> personally, much
> > > > of her business is through distributors.
> > > > Her largest distributor is an Ohio hardware salesman who
serves as
> > > > master distributor in the New England area. She's also
established
> > > > master distributors in Canada and Mexico.
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > Betonamit's competition is two similar Japanese products sold
in the
> > > > United States--Bristar and S-Mite. But Armstrong claims the
products
> > > > lack some of the qualities available with Betonamit.
> > > > Betonamit can be used at any temperature, with warmer
temperatures
> > > > increasing the speed of the expansion process. The reaction
exerts
> > > up to
> > > > 12,000 pounds per square inch of pressure. And depending upon
> the size
> > > > of the structure and the temperature, *the demolition process
> can take
> > > > as little as one and a-half hours* or as much as 36 hours,
Armstrong
> > > said.
> > > > Because the product is easy to use and ecologically safe,
*Betonamit
> > > > requires no license or permit for _use_ or transportation.
> > > > *The product comes in two types: Betonamit Type R is the
standard
> > > liquid
> > > > form used to fill vertically drilled holes; Type S is a
putty-like,
> > > > kneadable mass that can be put into holes drilled overhead and
> > > > horizontally, as well as holes in porous or cracked material.
It can
> > > > also be easily used in underwater applications.
> > > > The Japanese products, however, require three to four
additives
> > > > depending upon the temperature, and they're limited to the
> liquid form,
> > > > Armstrong said.
> > > >
> > >
>
http://www.caribbean7.com/articles/virgin-islands/virgin-islands-article-4290.html
> > >
> > > > *How utterly convenient is the fact that these non-explosives
do not
> > > > require permits of any type.
> > > > *
> > > > *U.S. ANCHOR'S COMPOUNDS FUELING COMPANY GROWTH*
> > > > Magazine: South Florida Business Journal, *February 24, 1995*
> > > > Though *U.S. Anchor* has an answer for many South Florida
> building ills,
> > > > *president Hart McIntyre* insists his company doesn't sell
> products. "We
> > > > sell solutions," he said.
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > The company also has searched the globe for products generally
not
> > > > available in the states. One is Upat, a line of mechanical
anchors.
> > > > Another is Kubatec, a European product sold under the name
> Betonamit.
> > > > When mixed with water, this non-explosive demolition material
can
> > > > produce 12,000 to 14,000 pounds per square inch of pressure,
> effectively
> > > > shattering any rock or stone substrate without explosion or
> spark. It
> > > > may be more expensive than dynamite, McIntyre admitted. But
*in
> areas
> > > > where blasting is unrealistic or will violate restrictions on
> noise or
> > > > flammability, like hospitals or office buildings, Betonamit is
a
> viable
> > > > alternative.
> > > > *"When you're willing to put a pencil to the job-costing
> process, this
> > > > can be the way to go," he said.
> > > >
> > >
>
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10
>
> > >
>
<http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10>
> > >
> > > >
> > >
>
<http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10
>
> > >
>
<http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10>>
> > > >
> > > > *When the twin towers collapsed, the Port Authority
Trans-Hudson
> > > > Corporations WTC commuter rail station underneath the site was
> > > > destroyed, along with one unoccupied train.* Also, transit
> tunnels and
> > > > stations at the site were severely damaged, causing
interruption
> of MTA
> > > > New York City Transit subway service on two lines.
> > > > A special commemorative issue of /At Your Service,/ the NYC
Transit
> > > > employee newsletter, described the damage: nearly 1,400 feet
of
> subway
> > > > tunnels beneath the towers had caved in or had filled with
rubble;
> > > > utilities had collapsed into the tunnel; columns from the
World
> Trade
> > > > Center had pierced the tunnel roof; and two-thirds of the
Cortlandt
> > > > Street Station on the WTC site had also given way.
> > > > According to NYC Transit President Lawrence G. Reuter, who
moderated
> > > the
> > > > session, the restoration of subway service through Ground Zero
> and the
> > > > reopening of one of the Rector Street Station in less than
nine
> months
> > > > was one of the most successful subway-infrastructure
reconstruction
> > > > projects in the systems history.
> > > > http://www.apta.com/passenger_transport/thisweek/0930-6.cfm
> > > >
> > > > *I thought that the third rail on those trains is electrified.
> > > > How come there were no spontaneous fires in the vicinity, and
most
> > > > especially fires involving gas lines?
> > > > How come the tunnels were not flooded with water? Who shut off
the
> > > mains?
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow, it is very very gratifying to see thermite
> > > > (and hopefully later cementitious compunds)
> > > > entering the mainstrewam 911 debate.*
> > > >
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:59:40 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Chertoff - A great man we should all trust to keep up safe?

I have to say, I'm proud of this post at my blog:
http://bgtruth.blogspot.com/2006/02/chertoff-defends-arab-port-control-us.html

Blogger Thoughts: When you tell the American people that the dirty Arabs did
9/11, which is a complete lie, of course, and then you let Arab owned
companies manage our ports, the poor deluded American people just don't
understand. Poor morons.

Original News Story;
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10704051/from/RSS/

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:00:07 -0000
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)

FONEBONE, could you please send me a copy as well? Email is
perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com

Thank you in advance.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "FONEBONE" <fonebone@...> wrote:
>
> Mornin Alex I have sent the original post again
> Yahoo does't archive the graphics I guess
> If the graphics don't come thru again ,include your direct email and
I'll
> send it to you directly
>
> --Fonebone
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:54 AM
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis
of the
> first hit ("impact" only)
>
>
> Is there a link with this or pictures? All I see is text.
>
> But otherwise I agree in general with your comments.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "FONEBONE" <fonebone@> wrote:
> >
> > WHERE ARE the 160 foot wide wings ?
> >
> > They created this scar <below> in the NORTH TOWER NORTH FACE AT
IMPACT
> > NO?
> > <left> Underside of a Boeing 767 <right> magnification
of the
> > "PLANE"
> > and shadow from the still extracted from the Naudet video with a
color
> > filter applied
> > to ferret out hidden details
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scar of Jumbo-jet in WTC 1 north wall created by the 160 foot
wings ---
> > again color filtered for clue extraction -
> >
> > This scar had to be created by preplaced and prepositioned explosive
> charges
> > to created this Hollywood
> > Special Effect scar because there DAMN SURE AIN'T NO 160 FOOT
WIDE WINGS
> >
> >
> >
> > The width of the tower wall is 220 feet and the tip to tip wing span
> of a
> > Boeing 767 is 160 feet
> > This ratio of 160 / 220 is reduced to 16 / 22 and finally to 8
/ 11
> > The ratio of wingspan to building width with the angle of bank at
> impact as
> > indicated by the scar
> > is superimposed in RED over the cigar shaped scar to indicate
> exactly where
> > these huge
> > FAT WINGS SHOULD BE -
> > The YELLOW ball indicates SUN position with the yellow line
revealing
> > SUN-RAY Path
> > to help thinkers gauge exactly where the WING SHADOWS should be
> >
> >
> >
> > WHERE ARE THE 160 FOOT WINGS ?
> > point them out --
> > CUT the CRAP THIS is a MISSILE - FONEBONE
> >
> >
> >
> > [FONEBONE]
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:47 AM
> > To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of
> the first
> > hit ("impact" only)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/frame-by-frame-analysis-extreme
> > .html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:03:07 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: USS Cole (prob old news to most of you)

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] USS Cole (prob old news to most of you)
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:37:57 -0600

can't provide link now, but i put up today at team8plus.org also
an article, where it's mentioned that the president from yemen claimed,
that Yemen was never informed about USS Cole coming to Yemen, though
it's official procedure. I think, it's even same article (?)

Should be in MISC, "Scripting Terror Soap" -last update

> At the time of the bombings, a Yemeni regime official advanced the theory
> that the U.S. had blown up the boat itself, as pretense for an invasion.
>
> http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=1614&cid=2&sid=90
>

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:08:15 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Kopie: alexldent@yahoo.com
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of
> the first hit ("impact" only)
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:37:01 +0100 (MET)
>

I forgot that FONEBONE should also get an upload okay.
Will try to change the settings for some other candidates and inform
later this day.
Maybe Rosalee has also time to do it. I'm at office until 5 PM EST.

>>>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the
> first hit ("impact" only)
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:23 -0000
>

not enough coffee here :)
I meant to say, i often don't recognize, if there was a file attached,
until i scroll to end of message -:)

>>>>>>>
I also have often to scroll to end at message to see,
if there's a message.

My suggestion:
The moderators allow some members, who are most active with video/audio
stuff, to upload these files into our file folder section at yahoogroup and
then just post the link or an info.

I recommend to allow uploads for Alex, PerpYnq, Rob...

Anyone else, please request an upload okay.

>>>>I can never can see any attachments on this board, both on Mac and PC.

Anyway: alexldent@yahoo.com<<<

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:20:12 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Don't miss this free video for the "Truth about 9/11" Forward Everywhere

You see the "black birds" of course but during the slow motion sequence of the plane those "birds" should be in slow motion too. Well, of course they are so what speed must they be flying at?

http://reopen911.org/pictures_and_videos.htm#1
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:02:54 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

Greg, what are you wearing tomorrow? Are you wearing a suite and tie? I think you should. Casual wear will show that you are a "hippy" and well, casual whereas you want to reflect that you mean business. If you are wearing what office workers on Monday morning are wearing they will relate to you better. Jeans and sweat shirt will reflect you are a drop out.

Hope you don't take offence. Be a business man who means business.

----- Original Message -----
From: greg nixon
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Why is gatekeeper lecturing at anti-gatekeeper NYC march?

Let's try to cut down on the bad pr please. No one is hugging any planes at this rally.
This is a call for an angry mob to scream bloody murder in the streets and call the gatekeepers at their game, supporting the Bush regime. The Sander issue was an oversight. Let it go.

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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:41:09 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

And that bank to the left [seen at the time of the "last minute" turn to the left] is only slight compared with the other versions which show it heavily banked. Is "175" still being elusive? See the "pod shot" version and you can image what the angle is. The blue plane is only seen banking on making the left turn but otherwise it seems to be flying level.

Is this just another version? Are they getting better with practice.
----- Original Message -----
From: Nico Haupt
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Cc: perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax
> pictures from CNN
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:41:39 -0000
>

i still believe, the most contradicting "flying"- and "speed" anamoly
compared with all over clips (including this at
http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/, i call it 'remake')
is at http://thewebfairy.com/911/2hit/blueplane.htm

It's still very fascinating, seeing this object in a totally different
behavior, also shaking a lot and turning its belly, which is awesome for a
767 :)

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:32:08 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

And now we have seen the blue plane which is seen to exactly fit this description "The plane had SLIGHTLY banked at the last second" it seems that the tail may have crossed Praimnaths line of sight or the authors of "102 Minutes" have seen the "blue plane" video before.

----- Original Message -----
From: alexldent
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:19 PM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

this guy was at the center of the crash and survived?

what a load of hooey!

Good catch about seeing the "U". That seems rather unlikely.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...>
wrote:
>
> I was going to do an article/analysis of the facts surrounding an eye witness
to the approach of 175 but this is an ideal time so here it is, in brief.
>
> Stanley Praimnath [assistant vice president] of Fugi Bank who had floors 78-
83 in the south tower. 175 cut across, off centre, floors 77-84. 175 plunged
through into the room where he had to dive beneath his desk. [on the 81st
floor] The plane had SLIGHTLY banked at the last second. The Fugi offices
were at the centre of the crash area. The wing of the jet was jammed into a
door, twenty feet from where Praimnath was beneath his desk.
>
> His office window looked south over New York Harbour and the Statue of
Liberty. Whilst seated he spotted an unfamiliar shape on the horizon. He
could see the red and blue marking and the letter "U" as it approached. He
dived under his desk.
>
> Here is a picture of N612UA:-
>
> http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0844867&WxsIERv=Obrvat%20767-
222&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Havgrq%20Nveyvarf&QtODMg=Ybf%20Natryrf%20-
%20Vagreangvbany%20%28YNK%20%2F%20XYNK%29&ERDLTkt=
HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Wnahnel%2028%2C%201997&BP=1&
WNEb25u=Xwryy%20avyffba&xsIERvdWdsY=A612HN&MgTUQtODMgKE=
Guvf%20nvepensg%20penfurq%20vagb%20Jbeyq%20Genqr%20Pragre%2
C%20ohvyqvat%20Gjb%20va%20ALP%2C%20ba%20Frcg%2011%2C%20
2001...%209%3A03%20ybpny%20gvzr%20nf%20syvtug%20HN175&
YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=4479&NEb25uZWxs=2005-05-
24%2017%3A19%3A37&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=21873%2F41&static=
yes&width=1024&height=665&sok=&photo_nr=14&prev_id=0865747&
next_id=0838568&size=L
>
> The red & blue marking to which Stanley Praimnath refers is obviously the
logo on the planes' tailfin [in fact it is two "U"'s overlayed
>
> Praimnath is said to be on the phone to a colleague in Chicago who had
rang to inquire after his well-being and she was watching the tv and listening
to him at the same time. These facts attributed to Praimnath are not in quotes.
>
> I'm sure our resident expert with Flight Simulator, Marcus could simulate the
angle at which 175 was flying towards the south wall of the south tower for
Praimnath to have seen a side view of the tailfin but I'm sure you will all see
how very unlikely this is. To see the "U" the tailfin would have had to be flying
across Praimnaths' line of sight. Had it been flying across his line of sight it
would have passed the south tower and thus he would have looked foolish
had he then dived under his desk.
>
> Now, had Praimnath "seen" the UA livery, as a whole, which would have
been more likely [although still doubtful if it was flying towards him and the
tower] that would have been oviously sufficient. The question is how did he
see the "U" instead of the vast amount of livery?
>
> What puts this beyond any question of fakery is the fact that had he seen the
side of the tail he would have seen the side of the fuselage with the airline
name along it. Of course had the side of the fuselage been seen that would
have been too obvious the plane was flying past the tower and not towards it.
>
> [source of Praimnaths' alleged observations - the book "102 Minutes".
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rosalee Grable
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com ; Marcus Icke
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your
hoax pictures from CNN
>
>
> But it's an EXCELLENT fake...absolutely state of the art..
> The oookiest part is the accents.
> Rick Siegel hasn't gotten back to me about whatever connection with his
> production company, which is not "his" but was hired.
> Seigel, in exile growing his own food in Europe, didn't even have an
> internet connection at the time.
>
> I haven't yet recovered the archive from June 2005 alerting me to this file.
> It was a message from Marcus Icke, who somehow always knows where
good
> footage is.
>
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
>
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > Bizarre. The path of the plane is clearly at a much different angle
> > than any other second hit footage I've seen. Clearly fake.
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <
webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This is the best second hit cartoon I've ever seen.
> >> I first saw it as as an alleged "preview clip" from 911eyewitness,
> >> downloaded from Blue Star Productions in June 2005.
> >> Perhaps Jullie Blattenbauer can give more details of the source as she
> >> knows it.
> >>
> >> This second hit IS NOT part of the 911eyewitness footage on the DVD,
> >>
> > and
> >
> >> Rick Siegel says he didn't see any planes and didn't know anybody
> >>
> > who did.
> >
> >> Larger version:
> >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Loughrey wrote:
> >>
> >>> this is a much smoother version of the flight 175
> >>> animation. This time the movement seems less
> >>> skittish. Still, it continues to displays the same
> >>> perspective problem that Webfairy has noticed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Julie Blattenbauer <> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:00:42 -0800
> >>>> From: "Julie Blattenbauer" <>
> >>>> To: ScottL44@
> >>>> Subject: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.bodyatomic.com/video.html
>

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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:08:59 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation

I was wrong.
The duplicates are throughout the footage.

Still, the "plane" is interesting.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/hop
And I caught stills of the explosion featuring what appears to be an
external explosion at the beginning, and an explosion with the
ultra-bright yellow we've seen from thermite.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/boom

There is a flashie now of the smoke and flashes at the Woolworth building
http://thewebfairy.com/911/big
at the bottom of the page

alexldent wrote:
>>>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
>>>>
>>> The "plane" hippityhops.
>>> This is proof it is animation. The duplicates stop as soon as it
>>> vanishes behind the building for a shade too long.
>>> That's not the only thing wrong with it!
>>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/<<<
>>>
>
> Is there anyway you can put something together on a page showing how
> there are duplicates with the plane and then they stop when the plane
> goes behind the building?
>
> That seems to be solid proof of video manipulation, and it would be
> great if we had a page that lays out this proof.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:13:45 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: click this link

Great Explosion picture with images successfully visable.
Re: [catapult] "Let There be Light!" - Six Days of Creation: Sept 11-17,
2001
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/catapultthepropaganda/message/21823

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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:26:05 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation

Thanks for making a page with the frames. That's great to have it laid out like
that. Golly, you're fast!!!

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> I was wrong.
> The duplicates are throughout the footage.
>
> Still, the "plane" is interesting.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/hop
> And I caught stills of the explosion featuring what appears to be an
> external explosion at the beginning, and an explosion with the
> ultra-bright yellow we've seen from thermite.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/boom
>
> There is a flashie now of the smoke and flashes at the Woolworth building
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big
> at the bottom of the page
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> >>>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
> >>>>
> >>> The "plane" hippityhops.
> >>> This is proof it is animation. The duplicates stop as soon as it
> >>> vanishes behind the building for a shade too long.
> >>> That's not the only thing wrong with it!
> >>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/<<<
> >>>
> >
> > Is there anyway you can put something together on a page showing how
> > there are duplicates with the plane and then they stop when the plane
> > goes behind the building?
> >
> > That seems to be solid proof of video manipulation, and it would be
> > great if we had a page that lays out this proof.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:44:13 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Update on Lockerbie Pan Am 103

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2006/02/lockerbie-new-forensic-tests-suggest.html

Also
http://plane-truth.com/lockerbie_2006.htm

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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:49:52 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation

About that second WTC1 collapse cloud they layer over-- that brings up an
interesting question. How long DID "the spire" stay up before it turned to
dust?

Was it longer than ten seconds?

Does anyone know?

If so, that would blow the pancake theory completely out of the water, since
the intact core should have survived any floor pancaking, much less part of
the core (the spire).

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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:18:30 -0500
From: <ronald.bleier@gmail.com>
Subject: A.Jones: Cheney shot 'im at 15 ft --not 90

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Date: Feb 17, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: [ElectionFraud2004] SCIENTIFIC PROOF CHENEY'S SHOOTING STORY A LIE
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http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/cheney_shooting_scientific_proof.htm

SCIENTIFIC PROOF CHENEY'S SHOOTING STORY A LIE
Harry Whittington Shooting Ballistics Tested, Cheney shot at Whittington from 15 feet not 90 as claimed

Infowars | February 16, 2006
By Alex Jones

SYNOPSIS OF VIDEO NEWS REPORT DOCUMENTING SHOOTING TEST
by Alex Jones
Below is a ten minute "see-for-yourself" report that conclusively shows that Vice President Dick Cheney's claims to Kennedy County Sheriff's Deputies in south Texas is a total fabrication.

A massive cover-up has been conducted concerning the shooting. We know that most of the facts that have been told to the public are manufactured frauds.

Cheney claims that he shot Whittington at 90 feet, ballistic tests from the spread of the shotgun pellets to their penetration depth is 100% conclusive.

High Bandwidth: WinMedia| Quicktime
Low Bandwidth: WinMedia | Quicktime

Backup Highband Video: WinMedia | Quicktime

Harry Whittington was shot at close range, between 15 and 18 feet, not the 90 claimed by Dick Cheney and the Secret Service. It is now clear why they refused to let Sheriff's Deputies interview Cheney for over 13 hours and why they claimed that Whittington's injuries were superficial when in truth they were grievous.

The mainstream media is ignoring this literal smoking gun evidence. Anytime they wish, the local police can conduct their own ballistics tests and they will have the exact same findings. The media can conduct their own tests. The ballistics of shotguns and birdshot is well known to tens of millions of Americans who hunt fowl.

We have now scientifically proved with an engineer and a police officer on-site conducting the test that the American people are being lied to and a cover-up is in progress.

Observations of the Ballistics Test

Infowars | February 15, 2006
By Kevin Smith

Gelatin Testing: #8 Birdshot Statistics

a.. Range: 3 yards
b.. Shotgun: 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnumn
c.. Round: 12 gauge 2¾ Remington Heavy Dove 1-1/8 oz #8 Birdshot
d.. Gelatin: 9'x9'x19' 10% ordinance gelatin block
e.. Measured Average Permenant Cavity Penetration: 4.5 inches (11.4 cm)
f.. Temporary Stretch Cavity: 1.0 to 3 inches (2.5 to 7.6 cm)
g.. Calibration BB Velocity: 623 fps
h.. Calibration BB Penetration: 12.5 cm

#4 Remington Heavy Dove out of an 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnum

Observations

*Small sized birdshot such as this #8 heavy dove load is a poor choice for deployment with a tactical shotgun. Wounds inflicted from birdshot tend to be gruesome yet shallow as they lack the penetration required to reach vital cardiovascular or central nervous system structures.

RELATED:
Cheney's shotgun

Media Ignores Cheney 'Smoking Gun'

Texas Sheriff Barred From Interviewing Cheney About Shooting Incident

More Questions Raised About Delay in Reporting Cheney Misfire

Hunter Shot by Cheney Has Heart Attack

On February 14, 2006 when I made my original comments about the Cheney shooting incident on The Alex Jones Show, the subsequent article and ballistic data that I complied were based on a basic knowledge of firearms and my own personal and shared hunting experiences. I assumed that they were probably using #4 or #5 birdshot, accordingly I went to the http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/ website and gathered that specific data. We now know the shot being used was an even smaller grain #7.5 birdshot, packing even less lethal ballistics than previously thought. Included is data for #8 birdshot, the closest we could find, any differences between #7.5 and #8 would be negligible.

As many of you already know Alex is a Pit Bull, he sinks his teeth in and won't let go. So yesterday I accompanied Alex to the local gun store where he purchased a 28 gauge side-by-side double barreled shotgun with one barrel modified and the other full-chocked. Which means the first barrel has a slightly wider spread than the second, this allows for a quick reaction shot when the bird is flushed, and if missed, the second shot will allow for a better aimed tighter spread shot.

Alex also purchased the same 2 ¾ inch #7.5 shotgun shells used by Cheney. So this morning February 16, the crew was off to the local range to conduct a controlled, scientific ballistic test to prove that the official story coming from the Cheney camp, describing the circumstances of the Whittington shooting to be bold-faced lies. Again, we can't speculate at this time as to whether there was any malice or intent involved, or whether it was a simple hunting accident, such as a dropped gun or a snagged trigger. Although, as I speculated the other day about the delay in allowing the Sheriff to interview "Quick-Draw Cheney," it has now been confirmed that Cheney had indeed had at least one beer during lunch. If you accept the notion that he stopped at one, that's like eating one potato chip, you must also consider the fact that he could be on a number of medications for his heart condition that would cause adverse effects if mixed with alcohol. The incident may have been an accident, an unlucky fluke, a simple twist of fate, but what happened in the aftermath of the shooting is without a doubt a crime, cover-up, and a conspiracy. Here's how we proved it:

We used three cameras to film the test, two were fixed at different angles to the targets, the other was used to film Alex shooting the shotgun. In our group we had Raymond, a former NASA contract engineer from the Apollo program with prior service in the Air Force to make sure the measurements were correct. Another in our team was Karl, a former Airborne Infantrymen, M.P., weapons and self-defense instructor, and former law enforcement, to explain the nature of shot trajectory and wound ballistics. And finally there was Ryan and I on the cameras.

The first thing we did was to measure out 90 feet or 30 yards from where we were to set-up the various targets. We erected man sized torso targets for the shots from 90 feet, 30 feet, 15 feet, and 10 feet. We also made shots from both barrels. The first shot was from 90 feet into the paper target on a cardboard backing, this gave a spread of approximately 7 ½ feet. Rule of thumb, you get 1 inch of spread for every 1 foot of distance away from the barrel. Most of the pellets were lodged in the cardboard with a few completely penetrating the 1/8 of an inch cardboard. The next shot involved the latex torso dummy we brought, he was dressed in two layers of clothing, a sweater and a shirt. Mr. Whittington was reported to be wearing 3 layers. Again this shot was from 90 feet, most of the shot that hit the target were caught in the fibers of the clothing, a few actually penetrated through both layers, but these were extremely shallow and could be picked out with your fingers or tweezers. The same goes for the neck and face, if the pellets hit at any sort of an angle if would they simply bounce off. The next shots were taken at 30 feet in case Cheney and his goons were to come out with a correction from yards to feet. This yielded a spread that was more than 2 feet in diameter, still at least twice as wide as the Texas Park and Wildlife Hunting Accident and Incident Report Form indicated. We next took a shot from 15 feet or 5 yards (that's half a first down). The spread from this distance was approximately 8 to 10 inches. Imagine the sight picture you would see looking down the barrel from 15 feet. Mr. Whittington's upper body would fill your vision, are we to believe that a bird flew between Mr. Whittington and Cheney, the bird would have had to be almost touching the end of the barrel. The shot taken from 10 feet had a spread of around 6 inches. In both the 10 foot and 15 foot shots the holes made by the wad were significant. With the data from these distances and their corresponding spreads we feel comfortable in stating that Mr. Whittington was shot from a distance of between 15 and 18 feet. There is no confusing this distance with that of 90 feet.

So we have established the distance of the shot. Now we wanted to see if we could match the wound penetration. As I already stated the shots at the dummy torso from 90 feet had little to no effect. Alex then decided to shoot the game hen and the watermelon from 90 feet. The results of these shots were penetrations of 1 to 2 millimeters, this means they were just under the outer layer of skin. There was also evidence of impacts that bounced off, leaving black smudges on both targets. At shots taken from 30 feet slightly deeper penetrations, but nothing that went passed the most outer layers of the actual meat. The last shot was taken at the game hen from 15 feet and that shot yielded the kind of results that Mr. Whittington experienced, a tight cluster of pellet hits penetrating into the internal cavities of the body.

In Conclusion the Kenedy County Sheriffs department closed its investigation on Thursday February 16th, without ever even being allowed to conduct one. It was clear from day one that the Cheney and Rove spin machine were engaging in a cover-up. We don't know the specifics of what they are covering up, but what we do know is 100% scientifically proven. Mr. Whittington was shot from 15 to 18 feet, not the 90 feet claimed by Cheney. They acted very suspiciously by declaring national security and ordering the Secret Service to keep the Sheriff from questioning Cheney for over 13 hours. They then Care-Flighted Mr. Whittington to a hospital that was further away while declaring his wounds to be minor and superficial. Care-flight is reserved for only the most critically wounded, but 22 hours after the shooting incident they announced to the world that his wounds were minor, telling us he was sitting up in bed and cracking jokes. In the meantime the hospital had already x-rayed his chest and catheterized his heart to shunt the massive internal bleeding. But for a day and a half afterwards Whitehouse Press Secretary Scott McClellan was denying it. We know that Cheney is lying. He shot Mr. Whittington up-close and whatever the circumstance are they're either more embarrassing or outright criminal than he's willing to admit. Meanwhile the liberal press is attacking Cheney for all the wrong reasons and the straw-men they build will easily be toppled, unless the people stand-up and demand an examination of the real facts.

INFOWARS: BECAUSE THERE'S A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND

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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:24:27 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Left Geatekeepers: For the ones who may not be doing it on purpose: IS THERE ANY END TO THEIR STUPIDITY?

look at this post from Ameriblog
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/02/cartoon-protesters.html

He compares the Islamic protesters to the WTO protesters and doesn't have a
clue that they are just "cartoon" characters in the game of control of the
masses. This concept isn't really that hard... Why can't people see?

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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:59:37 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation

Plaguepuppy (MIT trained engineer before he decided to be a physician
instead)
has written extensively about the spire, and studied it's videos from
all angles.

starter point
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/spire/The%20Strange%20Collapse%20of%20the%20Spire.htm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=plaguepuppy+spire

alexldent wrote:
> About that second WTC1 collapse cloud they layer over-- that brings up an
> interesting question. How long DID "the spire" stay up before it turned to
> dust?
>
> Was it longer than ten seconds?
>
> Does anyone know?
>
> If so, that would blow the pancake theory completely out of the water, since
> the intact core should have survived any floor pancaking, much less part of
> the core (the spire).
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> wrote:
>
>> I was wrong.
>> The duplicates are throughout the footage.
>>
>> Still, the "plane" is interesting.
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/hop
>> And I caught stills of the explosion featuring what appears to be an
>> external explosion at the beginning, and an explosion with the
>> ultra-bright yellow we've seen from thermite.
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/boom
>>
>> There is a flashie now of the smoke and flashes at the Woolworth building
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big
>> at the bottom of the page
>>

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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:54:27 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Left Geatekeepers: For the ones who may not be doing it on purpose: IS THERE

I have found Americablog to be the lamest of the lefty blogs in terms of
political sophistication and shallowest in terms of analysis/understanding. I
don't quite understand why it gets as many hits as it does.

Their one big scoop was finding out that white house reporter was a male
prostitute, Jeff Gannon. I guess they are still living off that....

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@...>
wrote:
>
> look at this post from Ameriblog
> http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/02/cartoon-protesters.html
>
> He compares the Islamic protesters to the WTO protesters and doesn't have
a
> clue that they are just "cartoon" characters in the game of control of the
> masses. This concept isn't really that hard... Why can't people see?
>

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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:57:49 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation

Thanks-- I read that page sometime back.

Says "the spire" stood for 15-20 seconds after the collapse. It's quite an
amazing phenomenon.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> Plaguepuppy (MIT trained engineer before he decided to be a physician
> instead)
> has written extensively about the spire, and studied it's videos from
> all angles.
>
> starter point
> http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/spire/
The%20Strange%20Collapse%20of%20the%20Spire.htm
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=plaguepuppy+spire
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > About that second WTC1 collapse cloud they layer over-- that brings up
an
> > interesting question. How long DID "the spire" stay up before it turned to
> > dust?
> >
> > Was it longer than ten seconds?
> >
> > Does anyone know?
> >
> > If so, that would blow the pancake theory completely out of the water,
since
> > the intact core should have survived any floor pancaking, much less part
of
> > the core (the spire).
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <
webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I was wrong.
> >> The duplicates are throughout the footage.
> >>
> >> Still, the "plane" is interesting.
> >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/hop
> >> And I caught stills of the explosion featuring what appears to be an
> >> external explosion at the beginning, and an explosion with the
> >> ultra-bright yellow we've seen from thermite.
> >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/boom
> >>
> >> There is a flashie now of the smoke and flashes at the Woolworth
building
> >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big
> >> at the bottom of the page
> >>
>

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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:10:59 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation

The amazing part(s) is that this was that it was recorded live on TV,
the best and clearest view of this huge spire of metal suddenly turning
to dust and blowing off sideways.
The manipulators of this footage obviously found how long the spire
stands unmolested to be embarrassing, and tried a coverup.

http://thewebfairy.com/911/glow
is a large scale view of the event, which is also accompanied by
"unearthly glow" .
Neither effect can be explained by traditional controlled demolition.

alexldent wrote:
> Thanks-- I read that page sometime back.
>
> Says "the spire" stood for 15-20 seconds after the collapse. It's quite an
> amazing phenomenon.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Plaguepuppy (MIT trained engineer before he decided to be a physician
>> instead)
>> has written extensively about the spire, and studied it's videos from
>> all angles.
>>
>> starter point
>> http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/spire/
>>
> The%20Strange%20Collapse%20of%20the%20Spire.htm
>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=plaguepuppy+spire
>>

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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:56:50 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Uploading Files

...i just figured out, that everyone is able to upload files into our group
folder, LOL. That should be possible at

Files
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911InsideJobbers/files/
Add File
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911InsideJobbers/sfupld?path=/

then you just need to highlight/copy the link and paste it into this list,
maybe better minimalize it with tinyurl.com

Right now 11% is used, so we have to figure out how much space we have and
maybe limit the time for a huge file, that everyone is able to download it
in time....

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:27:57 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Sander Hicks on AirAmerica: No word about GregNixon

...Sander Hicks was on Air America, but he's still the self-promoting ego he
always was. 15 minutes talk, but no word about Greg Nixon's protest
tomorrow. This about loosing opportunities for promoting real activism...

http://www.hicksforgovernor.com/2006/02/majority-report-air-america.html
http://www.911truth.org/media/sanderhicks2172006aa.mp3
Friday, February 17, 2006
Majority Report, Air America!

BIG UP to Majority Report's Janeane Garofalo for having me on national prime
time radio tonight. We covered a lot of ground in about 20 minutes...

http://www.hicksforgovernor.com/on911.html
"...Our campaign does not claim the entire Federal Government was behind
9/11. But a secretive compartment of the US intelligence machine has close
ties to Pakistani intelligence and their shock troops, "Al Qaeda". This
relationship was the fetid breeding ground for what happened on 9/11..."

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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:34:01 -0800
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Jeb Bush: Bird Flu might hit Florida first

Saturday, you wrote this? I didn't get it until Sun. night.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <totalinfo@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Jeb Bush: Bird Flu might hit Florida
first

>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> Von: "Total Information" <totalinfo@gmail.com>
>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Jeb Bush: Bird Flu might hit
>> Florida first
>> Datum: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:23:11 -0500
>
>
> ....bets are open here, but i also think it's too early for Iran.
>
> I think Russia will force Iran to postpone the EURO
> currency for oil and we will have an attack later this year,
> maybe triggered via an iranian ny subway gas attack or maybe Israel
> is someohow doing the dirty job via nuke without any clear reason or
> AQ
> will "merge" with Hamas and kill Sharon.
>
> Then somehow i still believe in my taiwanese 'al quaeda' scenario of
> attacking china with "weaponized bird flu", developed in Iraq,
> triggering
> US, Russia and China into a world war, against their own departments
> of AQ,
> with the cover for sheeple as the next phase of the "long war".
>
> Meanwhile "riots" will be common thing, that NATO and privatized
> military
> can oppress this outrage easily and martial law elections have no
> real use
> anymore. Until then possibly 9/11 'truth' is pure mainstream and
> controlled
> demolition was done by Iran, Russia or China or all of the above :)
>
> Anarchist tribes of the 9/11 truthling movement will be linked to
> Al-quaeda
> and shipped to Guantanamo Bay etc.. etc... Maybe Alex Jones has a
> better
> script, but i'm bored and it's saturday.
>
> Google chip and iPod will replace National ID, next phase are
> robotic wars
> to finally bring the troops home.
> The word fascism will be mainstreamilzed as well, but instead of US
> or
> Eurasia it will be "islamofascists", everyone is hunting.
>
> Bush will be arrested for some unpaid parking tickets and impeached
> for
> nothing. "The long war" will continue via space weapons, until
> 'islamofascists' will hack some satellites and trigger some nukes.
> Then Gerard Holmgren's scenario will take place and islamofascist
> replaced
> with wmd-aliens etc.. etc.. until we have some artificial
> intelligence and
> talk with some MIT-cyborgs about the good old times with human
> mankind.
>
> Probably Jesus will come back as a holography and we will debate if
> it's
> real :)
>
> Everyone will get crazy and civil war becomes a downloadable real
> time
> gameboy where you can DOOM some random enemies.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> I think it is good if the only governor he can get to sign on to a
>> bioterror
>> false flag is his scumbag brother!
>>
>> So maybe if Cheney is going out, Bushes will do bird flu then Rice
>> will do
>> Syria, and we don't get the iran false flag nuke until president
>> hillary
>> in
>> 2009?
>>
>> Or will Cheney stay in and try to send the Iran nuke through a UAE
>> port
>> asap?
>>
>>
>> On 2/17/06, Nico Haupt <nicohaupt@gmx.li> wrote:
>> >
>> > ...and so it might happen :)
>> > Last week i predicted it might be in the "next few weeks".
>> > Same 'opinion' now also by Leavitt/Bush:
>> >
>> > (i also speculated about a soon merger between the so called
>> > 'cartoon
>> riot
>> > movement' and a 'weaponized bird flu propaganda')
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bird flu could hit Florida first
>> > http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/17/State/Bird_flu_could_hit_Fl.shtml
>> >
>> > "...Gov. Jeb Bush expects Florida to be among the first bird flu
>> > cases
>> if
>> > a
>> > pandemic spreads to the United States.
>> >
>> > In a visit to Florida, Health and Human Services Secretary
>> > Michael
>> Leavitt
>> > warned Thursday that bird flu could reach the nation within 30
>> > days -
>> once
>> > it starts passing widely from person to person...."
>> >
>> >
>> > In October 2005, Florida had a 'bio desaster' drill:
>> > http://www.team8plus.org/forum_viewtopic.php?6.392.110
>> >
>> > "This live-action training with our partners is a valuable tool
>> > to
>> > strengthen our ability to respond to an actual event," Lillian
>> > Rivera,
>> > MDHD
>> > administrator, said. "We want to be ready to take the action
>> > necessary
>> to
>> > preserve the health and well-being of our residents and
>> > visitors."
>> >
>> > http://www.local10.com/news/5095018/detail.html
>> >
>> >
>> > so far, i am aware of bigger bird flu drills in the US starting
>> > last
>> year
>> > in:
>> >
>> > Cattaraugus County, NY
>> > Cambridge, MA
>> > Wasau, WI
>> > Springfield, IL
>> > Bay Area, CA
>> >
>> > all of them also October 2005,
>> > same month when Hongkong and Vietnam drilled a bird flu drill.
>> >
>> > Since then also minor exercises, 'awareness' events and smaller
>> drills...
>> >
>> > http://www.team8plus.org/forum_viewtopic.php?6.2133.40#2437
>> > Bird Flu Drill Updates
>> > Fri Feb 17 2006
>> >
>> > La Habra officials are planning for bird flu, simulated bird-flu
>> > drill
>> > OCRegister, CA - Feb 16,
>> > 2006
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1002611.php&cid=1104339319
>> >
>> >
>> > Basque Country to carry out bird flu drill
>> > EiTB, Spain - Feb 13,
>> > 2006
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://www.eitb24.com/portal/eitb24/noticia/life-the-first-in-the-state-basque-country-to-carry-out-bird-flu-%3FitemId%3DD12315%26cl%3D%252Feitb24%252Fsociedad%26idioma%3Den&cid=0
>> >
>> > Knoxville drill test bird flu preparedness
>> > WVLT, TN - Feb 7, 2006
>> > http://www.volunteertv.com/Global/story.asp%3FS%3D4467365&cid=0
>> >
>> >
>> > Swedish Medical Center in Englewood completed an avian flu drill
>> > Feb 6, 2006
>> > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11197806/&cid=0
>> >
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>> >
>> > > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> > > Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
>> > > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>> > > Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11
>> > > article
>> > > Datum: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 04:30:26 +0100 (MET)
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Here's a profile of the MAXIM author named Zach Dundas.
>> > He's apparently very busy in Willamette Week - Quimby, Portland
>> > but not mentioned in the staff.
>> > Here is his email: zdundas@comcast.net
>> >
>> > http://www.wweek.com/author/?author=ZACH%20DUNDAS
>> >
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> > > Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
>> > > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>> > > Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11
>> > > article
>> > > Datum: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:45:34 +0100 (MET)
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > ...also MAXIM (as also PopMech or SciAM) doesn't mention any
>> > theory
>> about
>> > "no flights" or "no planes" and claims, that "conspiracists agree
>> > that
>> two
>> > airplanes hit the WTC..."
>> >
>> > If the no-planerz are so 'scary', outrageous or 'disinf' for
>> > everyone,
>> > then
>> > WHY is mainstream media no bitching about the loudest?
>> >
>> > No -they still ignore us, and that actually still convinces me,
>> > that
>> they
>> > ignore it on purpose, because it's the closest threat they can
>> > NOT
>> handle
>> > easily.
>> >
>> > I am not afraid, of seeing the "no plane/no flight" stuff
>> > belittled in
>> > mainstream media, it will be taken out of context, if so anyway,
>> > like
>> > everyone does.
>> >
>> > I say, BRING IT ON FINALLY!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> > > Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
>> > > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>> > > Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11
>> > > article
>> > > Datum: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:58:13 +0100 (MET)
>> > >
>> >
>> > quick summary and first thoughts here. Very superficial but also
>> > good PR
>> > for
>> > many of the most well known 'projects'. However...
>> >
>> > MAXIM mentions Sander Hicks, Jimmy Walter.
>> > Interesting 'opposition'.
>> >
>> > One of the highlights in the article was for me the CNN poll (not
>> > Zogby!!),
>> > which i once screen -shotted:
>> > 89% percent of respondents said there's a US government cover-up
>> > surrounding
>> > 9/11.
>> > http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1013
>> >
>> > For sure the word "cover-up" still works as a limited
>> > hangout-meme.
>> >
>> > Then, mentioned as "theory 1", actually they refer to a 2001(!)
>> > article
>> by
>> > Carol A Valentine, that "the planes
>> > got remote controlled".
>> >
>> > Then they also mentioned the british 2005 book "9/11 Revealed",
>> > David
>> Ray
>> > Griffin, but also Popular Mechanics, Scientific American.
>> >
>> > Then a psychcological "explanation" on conspiracy theories.
>> > Aha, as usual we're just mentally distorted.
>> >
>> > Theory No.2 about controlled demolition.
>> > A paragraph about Jim Hoffman is followed by William Rodriguez.
>> >
>> > Theory No.3 about "No plane at pentagon", followed by an own
>> > column
>> about
>> > David Icke and shape-shifting reptilians, together with his
>> > photo.
>> >
>> > Theory No.4, which will always be used against me, is the LIHOP
>> > stuff,
>> > though i planted it at that time (2002) as a 'crossfader trojan
>> > horse'
>> > into
>> > the next level, i underestimated leftgatekeepers, ignorance and
>> sabotage.
>> > Interestingly this column is filled up with Able Danger, Cynthia
>> McKinney
>> > and the August 2001 memo (not surprisingly, "prior knowledge"
>> > still
>> works
>> > here as a red herring.
>> > Plus saudi ties and pakistan links.
>> >
>> >
>> > Article ends with Sander Hicks again, seems he was strongly
>> > involved.
>> > The editor of the article says:
>> > "...Many of these theories stretch the patience of the most
>> > credulous.
>> But
>> > dismissing an entire tree for one rotten apple may be a rash"
>> >
>> >
>> > My conclusion after a first fast reading is, that they still need
>> > "loonies"
>> > as their biggest weapon to discredit us.
>> >
>> > Why David Icke is the bad guy, is still a mystery for me. I have
>> > no
>> clue,
>> > how reptiles can program video or demolition :)
>> >
>> >
>> > (*thx to
>> > Culhavoc)
>> >
>> > [bb]Scanned
>> > copy
>> > of
>> > Maxim[/b]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://we-dont.gotdns.org/~culhavoc/docs/MAXIM-MARCH-2006-911-Conspiracy-Theories.pdf<http://we-dont.gotdns.org/%7Eculhavoc/docs/MAXIM-MARCH-2006-911-Conspiracy-Theories.pdf>
>> >
>> > http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/02/16/maxim-911-conspiracy-theories/
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>> >
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:35:40 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Jim Hoffman opposing Greg Nixon

...last minute opposition also from Jim Hoffman and co:

http://911research.wtc7.net/re911/disclaimer.html
Disclaimer
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On February 16, 2006, we became aware that a flyer, reproduced below,
advertising the "MARCH FOR TRUTH 2006, GROUND ZERO, NYC - 2/20 - 10:00 AM."
It features the URL for this website along with st911.org (the subject of
this essay). 9-11 Research is not affiliated with or involved in this
event...

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