Saturday, April 08, 2006

[political-research] Re: Tracking the Israel Lobby in Real Time


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> Thanks for the pointer -- I wasn't aware that this group ranked high on that particular list. I did know, however, that quite a few of the readers of this group are influential, and that the impact of the group is substantially greater than the mere number of subscribers would indicate. Think of it as the Velvet Underground or Brian Jonestown Massacre of intel-oriented groups. :) (Both bands had relatively few fans, but many of those fans went on to create extremely influential bands. They were below-the-radar monsters, in terms of covert influence on the culture. By the way, I don't really intend to compare this group to John Cale or Anton Newcomb -- those guys really are major league geniuses.)

You're welcome! Took me a while to understand. Probably since the switch in my head was set on "please no test in conspiracy research matters". Apart from that I am pleased you again prove your good taste in music matters.  As you might imagine in the end my eyes rested on "Brian Jonestown Massacre". Triggers nothing? I wonder, if I ever heard something by them? But apart from that  your selection is perfect. Yes I am still not quite over a certain state of emergency in cia-drugs times. A warning of ADL, closely followed by an accident.
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> Have you stopped to think how influential cia-drugs has been on the culture at large, particularly in its 2000-2002 phase? Some key questions about 9/11 and the role of neoconservatives in the Bush administration began to emerge in that tiny venue before they entered the alternative media issue stream. There were some incredibly bold, cutting-edge minds in cia-drugs when it was running on all cylinders. I've never seen so many unprogrammed and unprogrammable minds in a single spot who were completely fearless in following the facts wherever they led.

I think I read it from April 2002 on. I have the impression, it only made me realize what serious impact stories can have on your mind, making you stare crossed-eyes-wide-open  at page after page, or screen after screen, addictively. What is real? Mainly Webfaries stories, well he will forgive some of Kris' too ...? The only 9/11 top expert left then seemed Ruppert, if we do not count his sailor caught in Canada? The rest of the mainstream seemed highly suspicious only concerning the official tale, as I was myself. Your expertise seemed to offer the advantage to return to reality step by step. But then ...?
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> Regarding the ADL: it is a key component of the overall Israel lobby (and of the CPMAJO), and often develops shoddy and cheesy apologetics to try to fend off legitimate criticism of the Israeli government. Many people strongly suspect that the ADL operates intimately with Mossad. Marc Rich is one key link which connects the ADL and Mossad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League

Well I consider it a bit strange too,  that they decided to  honor Berlusconi. Has no PR advisor warned them? Or are they too detached by now? Admittedly I do not know too much about the Marc Rich affair, besides that Clinton pardoned him. No idea what for. Was it Iran-Contra related? And Wikipedia got an notice reading: This article is in need of attention. Is this the loby again, or just a couple of concerned citizen?

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> Regarding the Harvard/UChicago paper on the lobby: I am still kind of blown away that this paper appeared. Many people at elite American universities have been thinking this way for some time, but very few of them have the courage to tell the truth. They understand that the consequences of truth-telling on this matter can be devastating to the truth-teller.

I read the paper. Basically what you have been saying all along. No? Is the long version on the net somewhere?
Admittedly I am puzzled.  On one hand I do not like the  multitude of comparisons with Hitler and the Nazis, so much used today Hitler = Saddam: Muslim extremists = Nazis,  on the other I  find it hard to accept views e.g. Justin Raimondo's (with all respect?!) that the US already in WWII should have stayed out of the war. I decided to study 20century US history, by the way. I already learned that the conscientious objectors of WWII believed everything the stories about Hitler was propaganda, that's indeed a strange contortion of reality. Makes me wonder.
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> The dam may finally be breaking on discussing the Israel lobby for two reasons: (1) it was highly conspicuous in agitating for the Iraq War (and now an Iran War), and (2) the Iraq War has turned out to be a gigantic disaster for the American interest, the Mideast and the world at large. It is simply no longer possible to sweep these important truths under the rug -- too much is at stake to play dumb and lie low.

True again. But remember the cartoon portraying Bush as a marionette? That's a good image for what you say. I wonder what Brian would say now, before he went away, he was busy telling people they should read the Protocols, even offering them free copies of Collins Piper, who lately found Isreal fingers even in the Kennedy murder, to learn about the octopus. Wouldn't he be surprised about this shoestring artists matter by prominent academics? This indeed was on my mind lately. That and that you warned him of the ADL, if I do not fantasize. Unfortunately Kris keeps that part of the cia-drugs under lock, unavailable to the pubic eye, so I can't go back to read it. And yes this big Gordian Knot in my head triggered my questions. I guess it's the student of literature in me, that is puzzled if reality really can hold a real time variation of an old fiction. As one of my favorite writer on theatre matters over here once called it: Fiction dropped into life. Yes that's what this somehow feels, and I can well see the resemblance recognize the evidence, but still ...
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> The Mearsheimer and Walt paper may prove to be as big a cultural detonation as the 95 Theses Martin Luther nailed to the Wittenburg church door in 1517. The Israel lobby is no longer going to get a free ride in promoting its agenda. It is going to have to start making sense in fair, open and reasonable policy debate.
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I'd like to read the whole paper. Did you expect that your view would get  more and more momentum at this speed, well maybe JR did? But  this feels really strange.

Haaretz, Forward? Should they have immediately have celebrated the paper? I am missing the New York Times, or was it only Judith Miller in that case? The Washington Times, not either?

deeply puzzled
regards

-b

> > 9/11 and the engineering of the Iraq War
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> > > 1. ADL (Anti-Defamation League)
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> > > 2. AEI (American Enterprise Institute)
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> > > 3. AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee)
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> > > 4. Benador Associates
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> > > 5. CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America)
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> > > 6. Campus Watch
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> > > 7. Commentary
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> > > 8. CSP (Center for Security Policy)
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> > > 9. FDD (Foundation for the Defense of Democracies)
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> > > 10. Forward
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> > > 11. Freeman Center for Strategic Studies
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> > > 12. FrontPage Magazine
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> > > 13. Haaretz
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> > > 14. IFCJ (International Fellowship of Christians and Jews)
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> > > 15. Israel National News (Arutz Sheva)
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> > > 16. IsraPundit
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> > > 17. JCSS (Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies)
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> > > 18. Jerusalem Newswire
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> > > 19. Jerusalem Post
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> > > 20. Jewish Press
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> > > 21. Jewish Week
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> > > 22. Jewish World Review
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> > > 23. Jewsweek
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> > > 24. JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs)
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> > > 25. JTA (Jewish Telegraphic Agency)
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> > > 26. Likud
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> > > 27. Little Green Footballs
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> > > 28. Lucianne.com
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> > > 29. MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute)
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> > > 30. Middle East Forum
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> > > 31. National Review
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> > > 32. New Republic
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> > > 33. New York Post
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> > > 34. New York Sun
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> > > 35. NJDC (National Jewish Democratic Council)
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> > > 36. One Jerusalem
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> > > 37. PNAC (Project for the New American Century)
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> > > 38. RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition)
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> > > 39. Saban Center for Middle East Policy
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> > > 40. Simon Wiesenthal Center
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> > > 41. The Board of Deputies of British Jews
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> > > 42. The David Project
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> > > 43. The Israel Project
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> > > 44. Toward Tradition
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> > > 45. Townhall.com
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> > > 46. Washington Jewish Week
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> > > 47. Weekly Standard
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> > > 48. WINEP (Washington Institute for Near East Policy)
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> > > 49. WorldNetDaily
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> > > 50. ZOA (Zionist Organization of America)
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