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[political-research] [Fwd: Re: Professor Thomas Cahill and the Poisonous post 9/11 atmosphere]



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Subject: Re: Professor Thomas Cahill and the Poisonous post 9/11 atmosphere
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:49:42 -0800
From: Jeff <jeffrey.king2@comcast.net>


Dear Dave and All,
 
This very fine dust business opens up a whole host of interesting questions, many of which Cahill himself raises, and the implications tell us some very unlikely things about the physical processes going on in the pile. If only there had been sampling of these very fine particles during and just after the collapses I suspect we would find even deeper oddities, but even three weeks later when Cahill started monitoring there is plenty of strangeness.
 
The high prevalence of very small particles ( http://delta.ucdavis.edu/SizeDist.jpg) is immediately striking and raises very forcefully the question of mechanism.  During the collapses we may imagine very forceful interactions of falling pieces that could produce at least some amount of fine dust in what amounts to a grinding or milling process.  But after the buildings have been reduced to smoldering piles of rubble, we should have only thermal and chemical processes available to generate particles.
 
From Cahill's PowerPoint:
 
Proposed explanation of very fine aerosols size and composition
 
Problems:
•We see very fine aerosols typical of combustion temperatures far higher than the WTC collapse piles
•We see some elements abundantly and others hardly at all, despite similar abundances in the collapse dust
•We see organic species in the very fine mode that would not survive high temperatures
 
Explanation
•The hot collapse piles are converting some species to gasses that can escape to the surface of the piles and then form aerosols, a process that yields very fine particles
 
I don't know if this really qualifies as an explanation, more just the assertion that "somehow" the piles are converting various elements and compounds into their vapor form, even though the temperatures within the piles should have been much too cool for this to happen.  But without that crucial step of vaporization (followed by condensation) there is no way to form such extremely small particles.  And why are these metal vapors not oxidizing when they reach the air?
 
Remember that liquid metal was found at least six weeks after the collapses, but to generate vapor means heating the metals all the way to their boiling points.  And the energy to keep metal at even the melting point for so long is quite substantial, and cannot be explained by combustion.  No matter how hot it may have been right after the collapse (even mini-nuke hot), high gradients mean high heat flows and things would have cooled off much faster than they did.
 
If there wasn't enough fuel to generate steel-melting temperatures when the buildings were still standing, there is surely not enough to generate these kinds of temperatures weeks later, and in a pit that allowed very little air circulation.  Such high temperatures anywhere in the pit would create a high heat flux toward the surface, and would need a continuing source of energy to maintain the gradient.
 
And what's with the strange distribution of elements?  The abundances don't correlate with any of the things they should: the abundances in the WTC materials, the melting points, the chlorine-enhanced volatility.  (see pages 27 and on from Cahill's PowerPoint - http://delta.ucdavis.edu/WTC%20aersols%20ACS%202003.ppt )  When you add the otherwise unexplained presence of Americium, the possibility must be considered that there was actually some kind of nuclear chemistry, i.e. transmutation of elements, going on during or after the collapses.
 
One other thought about the particles: whatever process was continuing to produce these very fine particles by something resembling evaporation and condensation was also continuing to produce much bigger (2.5 to 5 micron) particles that could not arise this way.  Cahill notes that these bigger particles would normally disappear after a rain, but reappeared after rain in early and again in mid-October.  This would suggest that there was an ongoing disintegration process that was releasing larger as well as smaller particles, something that could weaken the bond energy of the various substances and allow them to "smoulder" away into a kind of smoke at temperatures well below their normal boiling points.
 
Best wishes,
 
Jeff king
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: Professor Thomas Cahill and the Poisonous post 9/11 atmosphere

Hi Back!
 
That was the first time I'd ever heard anybody say that 'hot' material was used in the construction business.  I thought it was important for all of you to know.  Norm Coleman is kind of dim bulb so I don't think it was an intention revelation. 
 
In view of this new information, a good place to start would be to find out exactly what they are using to demolish office towers.  They probably wouldn't be able to find out in this country - but there have to be foreign demolition companies that would talk.   
 
There is something else odd about the rebuilding.  They want to put the memorial 70 feet underground.  Why would you want to put something that lots of people would want to see - underground?   Especially since the building they are putting on the site is smaller than the two they are replacing.
 
That's all I have for now but be assured, I'm still watching and listening.   
HI VICKY!

Glad to here from you again.

It's interesting that you bring this up again now. I was starting to
think that
some of the health and environment related research I was reading might be of
help to the scientists who are now trying to discover what kind of bombs were
used to destroy the WTC.

Of course, the perpetrators tried to haul off all the metal as fast as they
could so no researchers could study it. But very fine metals were in aerasols
which were kept and analyzed first for environmental and public health
reasons.
And under an electron microscope, the deadly WTC Dust revealed very fine
elemental condensed metal deposits...this stuff seems to have not only been
melted but vaporized!

Also, some dust recovered east of the WTC contained radioactive
Actinium. This
is very rare and and deadly stuff. Almost all of it which exists on
the planet
was created by humans in nuclear reactors.

So we have a number of lines of evidence which suggest that some "mini-nuke"
might have been involved in the demolition of the WTC.

If so, Norm Coleman will just say that it was some terrorists in the
construction buisness.

Quoting Vicky Davis :

> During a senate hearing on threats to U.S. Ports, there was a
> discussion on dirty bommbs. Senator Norm Coleman mentioned that
> nuclear materials are used in construction (presumably he was talking
> about deconstruction actually).
>
> Hearing date 3/28/2006
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> Start listening at 1:00 hour into the program. He mentions it at
> about 1:05.
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> http://www.c-span.org/Search/basic.asp?BasicQueryText=Norm+Coleman&SortBy=date
>
> jeff strahl wrote:
> Yeah, Dave, what are you doing here, mailing all this stuff about *physical
> evidence*?:-) Do please keep it coming.
>
> Jeff
>
> on 4/26/05 5:36 PM, davidk@oz-online.net at davidk@oz-online.net wrote:
>
>> Hi everybody, this is one Dave who didn't disappear. Whenever I
>> bring up real
>> scientific studies of WTC explosion debris and it's environmental and health
>> impact, I mainly end up talking to myself here. Oh well, my grandfather said
>> it's O.K. to talk to yourself as long as you don't answer. So instead of of
>> answering myself, I'll just keep bringing up relevant info that most "9/11
>> truth" people totally ignore.
>>
>> Thomas Cahill is a crucial pioneering researcher of the environmental impact
>> of 9/11. He is Professor Emeritus of the University of California Davis.
>>
>> "Professor Cahill, originally in nuclear and atomic physics, now specializes
>> in environmental applications of accelerator beams (soft beta rays, ions,
>> polarized x-rays, lasers, ..) in atmospheric physics and chemistry, with
>> emphasis on long range transport of aerosols and their radiative effects in
>> the atmosphere. This work also includes the health effects of very fine
>> particles, including aerosols from the World Trade Centere, and aerosol
>> impacts on Lake Tahoe.
>>
>> Honors and Awards
>> for
>> Thomas A. Cahill
>>
>> American Lung Association Outstanding Scientist Volunteer (2002)
>>
>> Founder and Head, DELTA Group, 1997 - present
>> Distinguished Public Service Award, 1994
>> Japanese National Research Fellow, Kyoto University (1992)
>> Director, Crocker Nuclear Lab, 1980-1989
>> Co-designer and Principle Investigator, National Park Service aerosols and
>> visibility programs, 1977-1997
>> Outstanding Educator of America, 1974, 1973
>> Director, Institute of Ecology, 1972-1975
>> O.A.S. Fellow, University of Chile, Santiago, Summer 1969
>> NATO Postdoctoral Fellowship Saclay, France (Centre de'Etudes Nucleaires),
>> 1966-67
>> NDEA Fellowship, UCLA, 1959-62
>> Recognized in Who's Who in America,?
>> Recognized in American Men & Women in Science
>> Recognized in Who's Who in Science & Technology"
>> http://www.physics.ucdavis.edu/Text/Cahill.html
>>
>> healthandenergy.com recognized Cahill's pioneering contribution to studying
>> the environmental impact of the WTC Event:
>> "UC Davis scientist concurs that EPA reports misled the public
>> A UC Davis scientist who led the air monitoring of the smoldering
>> ruins of the
>> World Trade Center said dangerous levels of pollutants were swirling
>> about the
>> site at the same time the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency assured the
>> public that the air was safe to breathe.
>>
>> Thomas Cahill, a professor emeritus of physics and atmospheric
>> science, headed
>> the scientific team that studied the aerosols from the fuming site in lower
>> Manhattan during the weeks right after Sept. 11, 2001.
>>
>> In an interview Tuesday, Cahill called the conditions for people working at
>> ground zero without respirators "brutal" and said conditions were only
>> slightly better for those working or living in adjacent buildings.
>>
>> "The site was hot for months. The metals burned into fine particles.
>> They rose
>> in a plume and moved over people's heads on most days. There were at least
>> eight days when the plume was pushed down into the city. Then people tasted
>> it, smelled it and saw it. But people who worked in the pile were getting it
>> every day. The workers are the ones that I worry about most," Cahill
>> told The
>> Chronicle.
>>
>> Cahill's data found that the pollution included very fine metals, which
>> interfere with lung chemistry; sulfuric acid, which attacks lung cells;
>> carcinogenic organic matter; and very fine insoluble particles such
>> as glass,
>> which travel through the lungs and into the bloodstream and heart.
>>
>> He is expected to present his latest findings at a national meeting of the
>> American Chemical Society in New York today.
>>
>> Cahill's comments echo a report issued in August by the EPA
>> inspector general,
>> an internal watchdog on the agency. The inspector general concluded
>> that under
>> White House influence, the EPA issued misleading assurances that
>> there was no
>> health risk from air pollution after the attack.
>>
>> A week after the attack, the EPA announced that the air near ground zero was
>> safe to breathe, but the agency did not have enough information to
>> make such a
>> guarantee, the inspector general's report said.
>>
>> "Christie Whitman was too premature to say it was safe," Cahill said
>> Tuesday.
>> "I think the EPA should have known. The EPA had its own reports saying it
>> could be dangerous. Why didn't the EPA bring in their own people
>> from all over
>> the country? They could have. Never thought of it. They did later.
>> But not in
>> the time that mattered." ...
>>
>> Cahill heads the DELTA Group, which stands for Detection and Evaluation of
>> Long-range Transport of Aerosols, an association of scientists at several
>> universities and national laboratories. The U.S. Energy Department asked the
>> group to monitor air quality in New York. The group has studied global
>> transport of aerosols from the Gulf War oil fires in Kuwait in 1991,
>> volcanoes, dust storms and worldwide factory emissions in China."
>> http://healthandenergy.com/ground_zero_air_pollution.htm
>>
>> Thomas Cahill talked to Christopher Bollyn of The American Free
>> Press in 2004:
>>
>> "Thomas Cahill, professor of physics and atmospheric sciences, analyzed the
>> plumes from a station one mile north of the burning WTC rubble. “The small
>> particles worried me the most,” Cahill told AFP, referring to the
>> sub-micron-size particles, which can pass through the filters of
>> respirators.
>>
>> Cahill said the high levels of silicon, vanadium, nickel and sulfuric acid
>> concerned him. The fine concrete dust, he said, acted “like Drano” in the
>> lungs of the workers, where it irritated and burned the wet membranes.
>>
>> Until Dec. 15, the pile was so hot, a piece of paper would ignite on contact
>> with the rubble, Cahill said. “You had the workers working on top of a huge
>> incinerator in the rush to get Wall Street going again,” Cahill
>> said. “It was
>> really dumb.
>>
>> “Only 30 percent of the firefighters working at the site in October were
>> wearing any protection at all,” he said.
>>
>> A class action lawsuit on behalf of more than 800 people who suffer health
>> effects was filed against WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein and the
>> companies
>> that supervised the cleanup: AMEC, Bovis Lend Lease, Turner, and Tully
>> Construction.
>>
>> The suit was filed on Sept. 10, the last day set by a federal three-year
>> statute of limitations for lawsuits related to 9-11."
>> http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/depleted_uranium.html
>>
>> The article failed to note that radioactive Uranium, Actinium and
>> Thorium had
>> actually been found in WTC explosive debris sampled just east of
>> ground zero,
>> all the way back in the fall of 2001.
>>
>> I was shocked to find a Thomas Cahill listed on what appears to be a list of
>> dead 9/11 victims posted on 9/11 2004
>> http://www.shortfamilyonline.com/life/archives/000244.php
>> Is this the same guy?
>>
>> Well, maybe not. Just a weird coincidance:
>> http://www.epinions.com/content_156133592708
>>
>> Cahill of UC-Davis turned up again in an article in New York Magazine,
>> September 20, 2004:
>> "Thomas Cahill, a scientist who analyzed the plumes from a rooftop one mile
>> away, says that the levels of acids, insoluble particles, high-temperature
>> organic materials, and metals were in most cases higher in very fine
>> particles
>> (which can slip deep into the lungs) than anyplace ever recorded on earth,
>> including the oil fires of Kuwait.
>>
>>
>> “What you had,” says Cahill, a UC-Davis professor emeritus of physics and
>> atmospheric sciences, “was a ground-level municipal incinerator that
>> smoldered
>> for months. And it was burning up the most heavily computerized building in
>> the world.” "
>> http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/sept11/features/9875/index1.html
>>
>> In 2002, Professor Cahill also observed "an unusual, very fine,
>> silicon-containing aerosol. This latter type of aerosol can be produced only
>> by very high temperatures, including vaporization of soil and glass.
>>
>> We had seen this previously, but at much lower concentrations, in the plumes
>> of coal-fired power plants in the EPA BRAVO study in Texas, the burning oil
>> fields of Kuwait, and Beijing during the winter coal heating season.
>>
>> In the case of metals, we saw many different species in the very fine
>> particles. Most, including lead and mercury, were at low
>> concentrations at our
>> site, but some, such as vanadium, were the highest that we have seen
>> recorded."
>> http://www.ecoisp.com/perspectives29.asp
>>
>> I have argued before that the condensed metal deposits on very fine
>> particles
>> help us to understand the high temperature explosive events which actually
>> destroyed the WTC Towers. I've tried to gather evidence on the
>> thermodynamics
>> and chemistry of what was going on by molten metal pools deep in the WTC
>> rubble after 9/11 -- a true "smoking gun"!
>>
>> In 2003, Professor Cahill sounded the health alarm for ground zero clean-up
>> workers through the Disaster News Network:
>>
>> " "Dr. Thomas Cahill, professor emeritus of physics and atmospheric sciences
>> at the University of California-Davis, is conducting a study of these
>> extremely small particles.
>>
>>
>> Cahill is working with a groups of researchers known as the DELTA group
>> (Detection and Evaluation of Long-range Transport of Aerosols), a scientific
>> organization he founded in 1977.
>>
>>
>> On Feb. 23, 2002, at an Investigative Hearing of the National Ombudsman for
>> the EPA in New York, Cahill testified that his measurements "indicated that
>> the size of particles appearing at our site were both in high concentration
>> and very fine, unlike any we had ever sampled before."
>>
>>
>> In an interview Jan. 2, Cahill said he can't say for sure what the possible
>> health effects will be, but he can point out areas of definite concern.
>>
>>
>> Cahill's main worry is "ultra fine silica" – or vaporized glass and dirt –
>> which the DELTA group found in high concentrations. Unfortunately, he said,
>> the heatlh effects of aerosolized silica have received little study.
>>
>>
>> The health effects of inhaled vanadium have also received little scrutiny –
>> and the DELTA group also found a lot of that, more than has ever before been
>> recorded, Cahill said.
>>
>>
>> "That bothered me a lot," he said.
>>
>>
>> But Cahill said he is not particularly worried for the average New Yorker,
>> because he thinks that the same process which generated the vaporized silica
>> and vanadium – the slow, intense smoldering of World Trade Center rubble –
>> also caused the resulting gas cloud to drift up and over the city.
>>
>>
>> The people who worked on "The Pile," are the ones who really need to
>> worry, he
>> said, since most of them worked with no breathing equipment, or with
>> just dust
>> masks, which were essentially useless.
>>
>>
>> “The very high temperatures that caused the strange chemical reactions also
>> protected the people of New York, but unfortunately the same cannot be said
>> for the people working on 'The Pile,'" he said. "A lot of people had their
>> lungs really fried. That's a fact." "
>>
>> Now it turns out that more than their lungs were fried. Some of the
>> strangest
>> health effects experienced by ground zero cleanup workers may be explained
>> radioactive Actinium, which lodges in the bones and teeth of the body.
>> Actinium was identified by it's emision spectrum in WTC explosive debris
>> collected just east of ground zero shortly after 9/11. It is one of the
>> rarest elements in nature, occuring in Uranium ore, but there is less than a
>> gram of it in each ton of ore. Most of it that exists on this Earth was
>> created in nuclear power plants. It is used to power thermoelectric systems
>> in satellites and emits a strange bluish glow. Very few people or
>> institutions have any of it...but the US Department of Defence can sell you
>> some at around $100 dollars a gram. That's where the Actinium
>> coporation gets
>> it.
>>
>> That should make us wonder what happened deep in the WTC sub-basements that
>> was still vaporizing glass and dirt weeks after 9/11.
>>
>> I'll continue this subject if anyone is interested...
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