Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911TruthAction] Digest Number 1155

Saturday, March 04, 2006

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1155

There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Thank you for using Congress.org
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
2. Forget Everything You Think You Know: See For Yourself
From: "botalerts" <botalerts@yahoo.ca>
3. Question for all of you that have been involved in the research of 911
From: "Linda" <lindam@charter.net>
4. Re: 3rd. Plane
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
5. Re: A 200lb attack dog mauled my kid's face that is connected to Rand...MKultra mind control!
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
6. Re: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
7. Presidential Katrina briefing reveals levee sabotage!
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
8. The day before the 9-11 attacks this is what Rumsfeld had to say, �The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 Trillion!�
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
9. Resolution to Impeach Bush-Cheney Passes 7-3
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
10. Re: The day before the 9-11 attacks this is what Rumsfeld had to say, �The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 Trillion!�
From: "flanker12k" <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
11. : The day before the 9-11 attacks this is what Rumsfeld had to say, "The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 Trillion!"
From: Bugs <brawny@twlakes.net>
12. Re: Question for all of you that have been involved in the research of 911
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
13. RE: 3rd. Plane
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
14. Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"
From: "james_patton" <james_patton@yahoo.com>
15. PROMIS software = 9-11
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
16. Re: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"
From: Scott Legere <sledger911@yahoo.com>
17. Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"
From: "Tom" <Tom@RepresentativePress.org>
18. More software used by the Government to frame anybody they want!
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:44:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Thank you for using Congress.org

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:12:47 -0000
From: "botalerts" <botalerts@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Forget Everything You Think You Know: See For Yourself

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/3/191044/4066#1

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:00:39 -0600
From: "Linda" <lindam@charter.net>
Subject: Question for all of you that have been involved in the research of 911

I am new to this group, and this question may have been asked and answered
before. If so please bear with me while I ask it again; and I thank you, in
advance, for your kind responses.
1. Has the material in regards to the differential views, of 911
been sent to the major news channels, as well as the major news
programs��..Like 60 minutes?
2. If so what was the response from them?
3. Has anyone been approached or done a movie documentary on this?
4. What is the opinion of why so many people are buying into the
government�s propaganda once again?

Still lots to learn before speaking out to loud on this.

Linda-in-Wisconsin

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 21:31:50 -0500
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
Subject: Re: 3rd. Plane

But im talking about the plane the passengers brought down that was heading
for the white house,the Lets roll one,sorry not to speck lightly of the
dead,or the wife of the lets roll man,do we know it's true,lot's of drama
there,to make sure white house was next,im very uneasy about this one,so
many lies about every thing,just please think about it :(
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 1:25 AM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane

> You mean the 4th plane? And there were 5 confirmed �boogies� as the
Colonel
> of the Norad Air Force base called them, including the first one that hit
> the WTC, when he was interviewed between the 2 plane hits on the WTC
towers.
>
> I never have heard a �plausible� explanation for what happed to that one,
> but then again, the film clips of his interview were �National Security�
by
> Noon Pacific time. I bet National Security, he stated he was told to stand
> down, ground and not arm anything he had and it was his base that was
> responsible for the protection of Wash DC and NYC.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:07 PM
> To: 911TruthAction
> Subject: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane
>
> Why have i not heard someone say the 3rd plane went down because it was
not
> meant to hit the white house,just give that impression,just a thought.
> Kitty
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 21:36:23 -0500
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
Subject: Re: A 200lb attack dog mauled my kid's face that is connected to Rand...MKultra mind control!

LOL I have Scott,i have always believed them,and other ant-virus co. were
doing that to sell there product !!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Durr" <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: [911TruthAction] A 200lb attack dog mauled my kid's face that is
connected to Rand...MKultra mind control!

> To whom it may concern:
>
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> Symantec anti virus?
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> Doing a quick "Gooogle" search using the key words "Symantec &
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net, sure it removes most of all known viruses but that is all just part of
the equation, after all it is just a matter of Symantec's isn't it! You can
hardly get a computer without it having ever been installed on it.
> Think about it Mike!
> Scott \ Manchurian
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> A 200lb attack dog mauled my kid's face that is connected to
Rand...MKultra mind control!
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:29:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"

Considor yourself warned. Any more of your bullshit and I will ban you.

Tom <Tom@RepresentativePress.org> wrote:
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@...> wrote:
>
> MUST I REITTERATE?! This is NOT a debate group. It is a group for those of us who are SMART enough to know what is what! If someone wants to DEBATE and waste time with such NONSENSE they can do so off list with anyone who is interested in such. This is a group for ACTION!
>
What is there to debate? The 9/11 Controlled Demolition Theory has been debunked. http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/ExplosivesDebunked.html

This group is called "911 Truth Action" and the truth is Bush lied. Bush Lied to the American People about 9/11 Terrorists' Motives
Bush's lie hides from many Americans the fact that we were attacked by Al-Qaeda because of specific foreign polices and not because we are the"brightest beacon of freedom and opportunity"
http://www.representativepress.org/whylie.html

We are being attacked by terrorists because of specific foreign polices , the main reason is

Mainstream Media's real bias is to serve power and shit on the American people : Hide the fact that we are being attacked because of specific foreign policies
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2004/09/mainstream-media-s-real-bias-is-to.html
Suppressing the Motives for the 9/11 Attack is Disgraceful.The 9/11 Commission confirmed that the main motive for the 9/11 attacks was U.S. support for Israel.
Nearly all of the media suppressed that fact!
Why don't you guys go down to ground zero wiht a big sign about that?

A rare exception to reporting what the 9/11 Commision said was the prime motive was Lexington Herald-Leader's article titled: U.S. policy on Israel key motive (but the link no longer works)
A note about this: When Terry McDermott's Jul 23, 2004 article was published in the LA Times, it didn't have the headline "U.S. policy on Israel key motive". Seems only the Lexington Herald-Leader dared go with a headline that reflected the main point: the motive for the crime. The headline in the LA Times was instead, "New Plot Details Emerge; Khalid Shaikh Mohammed lacked the resources, so he took his plan to Bin Laden." This is a case of burying the lede. The lede from the LA Times article (the first paragraph) was: "Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the man who conceived and directed the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, was motivated by his strong disagreement with American support for Israel, according to the final report of the Sept. 11 commission."
The man who conceived and directed the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, was motivated by his strong disagreement with American support for Israel His name is Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and his motivation for the crime of the 9/11 attacks was his objection to the US foreign policy of supporting Israel said the final report of the Sept. 11 Commission.

"After he was captured in Pakistan in early 2003, he told his interrogators that although he had developed no special complaint about America in his years here, he [ Khalid Shaikh Mohammed ] felt strongly that U.S. support of Israel was wrong and could be corrected by attacking the United States,"" reports Los Angeles Times writer Terry McDermott.

Why aren't you guys going around with signs demanding that Bush stop saying we are attacked because of our freedoms? Why not demand that the media focus on the prime motive for the 9/11 attacks?

Many people are playing along with the lie that we are attacked because of our freedoms. You want proof of the manipulations and deceit? George Tenet plays the game by omitting half of the key sentence of the 1998 Fatwa.

When Tenet refers to the sentence he quotes only part of it and avoids writting the reason why bin Laden targets American civilians and military. Looking at the sentence we can see that Tenet has left off the section highlighted in red below (the part that explains "in order to ...", where it is explicietly stated WHY the "rulling to kill" is issued in the first place. Notice Tenet has focused only on the part highlighted here in gray: "The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque [in Israel] and the holy mosque [in Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim."

Some people are working hard to get the truth out. This man confronted the 9/11 Commission. The media suppressed this. Why the hell didn't you 9/11 truth guys make an effort to get this publicity? This should have been the lead story when Hamilton shut him up:
Lee Hamilton insults the American people at a "9/11 Public Discourse Project" Q&A. At the August 2, 2005 "public event," Hamilton quickly trys to silence someone who asks why US support for Israel isn't being addressed since it is what drove the plotter of 9/11 to attack us.See the link: The Gorilla in the Room is US Support for Israel.

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:58:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Presidential Katrina briefing reveals levee sabotage!

Presidential Katrina briefing reveals levee sabotage!

The Link:

http://www.total411.info/2006/03/presidential-katrina-briefing-reveals.html

No one (outside the black-ops community) expected that in the midst of a storm surge three feet beneath the levee tops, virtually every canal wall inside the city would crumble -- "breached" by obvious use of explosives

The Presidential Katrina briefing video leaked to Associated Press and now making the rounds hides the truth about what happened to New Orleans' levees in plain sight. The National Weather Center's Max Mayfield tell George W. Bush and Michael Brown in the video "I don't think anyone can tell you with any certainty right now that the levees will be topped, but that is a certain concern "

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:17:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: The day before the 9-11 attacks this is what Rumsfeld had to say, �The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 Trillion!�

The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 Trillion!

The day before the 9-11 attacks this is what Rumsfeld had to say, �The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 Trillion!�
Something to think about!

Hidden history, this story you probably never saw!!

Here is the link:

Rumsfeld Sept 10, 2001: The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 TRILLION

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:25:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Resolution to Impeach Bush-Cheney Passes 7-3

Resolution to Impeach Bush-Cheney Passes 7-3

by Ken Werner, Trinity Plaza Tenants Association (TPTA)� Mar. 03� 2006

On Tuesday, February 28, 2006, the City and County of San Francisco became the first large municipality to call for the impeachment of George Bush and Dick Cheney, by a 7-3 vote.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 04:47:07 -0000
From: "flanker12k" <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The day before the 9-11 attacks this is what Rumsfeld had to say, �The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 Trillion!�

dude its all fine and great that you're posting but can you cut the
volume of mail?

i'm sure people don't like to see a flood of messages, can't you
condense it plz??

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Scott Durr
<insideinfo911@...> wrote:
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> The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 Trillion!
>
>
> The day before the 9-11 attacks this is what Rumsfeld had to
say, "The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 Trillion!"
> Something to think about!
>
> Hidden history, this story you probably never saw!!
>
> Here is the link:
>
> Rumsfeld Sept 10, 2001: The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3
TRILLION
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:54:27 -0600
From: Bugs <brawny@twlakes.net>
Subject: : The day before the 9-11 attacks this is what Rumsfeld had to say, "The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 Trillion!"

Dude use your delete button,
bugs
----- Original Message -----
From: flanker12k
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:47 PM
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: The day before the 9-11 attacks this is what Rumsfeld had to say, "The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 Trillion!"

dude its all fine and great that you're posting but can you cut the
volume of mail?

i'm sure people don't like to see a flood of messages, can't you
condense it plz??

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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 21:03:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Question for all of you that have been involved in the research of 911

no problem and welcome to the frontlines for the battle of the minds of fellow americans!

1. I think the documentary loose change offers the best eyewitness accounts that are contrary to the official story. and then there's alex jones' stuff that you can download off the web or from peer to peer networking.

2. in some form or another i believe people have tried to contact mainstream media, to no avail because the upper echelons of the press are bought and paid for. therefore set the tone for the low-level monkeys to follow suite. google project mockingbird and you'll understand that the media is an accessory after the fact.

3. MANY people have made documentaries about the 911 fraud and written books.

my friend cathy garger and fellow truth activist has read and recommends webster tarpley's 911 synthetic terror.

4. fear, willful denial, unnerving sense that reality is really not what as it appears to be. governments lie, trauma-based mind control.....because we watched in horror people dying on TV which is a tramatic experience and then apply conditioning that some bearded boogeyman in a cave did it, and you will beleive it because of the trauma you had undergone.

glad to have you onboard!

Linda <lindam@charter.net> wrote:

I am new to this group, and this question may have been asked and answered before. If so please bear with me while I ask it again; and I thank you, in advance, for your kind responses.
1. Has the material in regards to the differential views, of 911 been sent to the major news channels, as well as the major news programs��..Like 60 minutes?
2. If so what was the response from them?
3. Has anyone been approached or done a movie documentary on this?
4. What is the opinion of why so many people are buying into the government�s propaganda once again?

Still lots to learn before speaking out to loud on this.

Linda-in-Wisconsin

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 01:08:59 -0800
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
Subject: RE: 3rd. Plane

there were 2 on the WTC towers, one on the pentagon and the 4ths was the one
that supposedly the passengers took down, but there wasn't any wreckage and
the crash site looked like a missile not a place crash and I believe that is
one of the planes that has been seen to still be in use around the world.

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[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kitty285
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To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] 3rd. Plane

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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 10:59:11 -0000
From: "james_patton" <james_patton@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"

> It appears that Mr. patton is just a bit ill informed,
> and very well may have formed his OPINIONS based on just
> one or 2 brief observations.

I am mystified by this comment. It is completely obscure to me
what I am ill informed about, or which OPINIONS I may have formed
based on just one or two brief observations.

Is it the opinion that war causes a lot of needless death
and suffering? Or the opinion that the occupation of Iraq
is illegal and immoral? Or the opinion that U.S. policy in Israel
is wrongheaded? Or the opinion that governments lie in order
to further their foreign policy agendas?

Or is it the opinion that 9/11 was an inside job?

Please enlighten me.

kind regards,
James.

PS - I'm new to this list, but I find a lot of the posts to be
completely off-topic. It may be interesting to debate whether
or not Symantec is distributing viruses, but I can't see that it
has anything whatsoever to do with 911 Truth and Action!

Also the globalist SOBs may be responsible for the calamities
of foreign policy of the USA, but remember it is the rank and
file ordinary American who pays for their wars, waves their flag,
watches/reads (and believes) their mass media outlets, works in
their munitions factories and puts on their uniform to march off
and do their bidding.

Remove the complicity of these tens of millions of ordinary U.S.
citizens, and the "globalist SOBs" would be powerless.

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@...>
wrote:
>
> It appears that Mr. patton is just a bit ill informed, and very well
may have formed his OPINIONS based on just one or 2 brief observations.
>
> Naveed <flanker12k@...> wrote: ya,
>
> perfect trauma-based mind control exercise....... watch people die
infront of your very eyes and tell you the moon is made of
cheese.......people will actually go and defend that notion to the
death afterwards if you argue with them otherwise eh?
>
>
> the globalist SOBs are responsible for the calamities of foreign
policy of the USA, and the media is an accessory before and after the
fact......
>
>
> and the bottom-line is there are no "real" terrorists other than
the useful idiots working for the globalists......
>
> sorry to hear about the gun confiscation you guys had down under.....
>
>
> they tried a limited confiscation during katrina....beating up old
ladies and taking their guns
>
> James Patton <james_patton@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> Tom <Tom@...> wrote:
>
> > People who promote these erroneous 9/11 theories
> > undermine efforts to get the focus on stopping
> > these foreign policies. We must take a serious look
> > at the motives for the 9/11 attacks and call for
> > a full review of the specific foreign policies that
> > motivate terrorists to attack us. I see a lot of people
> > are spreading this "controlled demolition" theory,
> > I also notice they don't talk about ending the foreign
> > policies.
>
> Well, I for one was opposed to the invasion of Afghanistan, and I
marched
> and did all within my rather meagre powers to oppose the war on Iraq -
> we dug graves in public to make people mindful of the innocent victims
> this war would cause; did a funeral march through the streets
dressed in black and carrying coffins; did street theatre about
depleted uranium; set up
> a cage in the middle of Perth with a mock Guantanamo victim inside;
> printed and handed out fliers; spoke about these issues with family
and friends;
> sent out hundreds of e-mails; we even tried to drive through the
streets
> of Perth with loudspeakers simulating the 'shock and awe' terrorist
attacks
> on Baghdad and distributing mutilated 'corpses', but the police seemed
> to be ready for us on that one and quickly shut our protest down.
>
> I also organised a public viewing of the excellent video 'What I Have
> Learned About U.S. Foreign Policy'. (Unfortunately these events only
> ever seem to attract a handful of already hardened activists - it's
a bit like
> 'preaching to the choir'.)
>
> And yes, we marched to the U.S. Consulate in Perth and protested
outside.
>
> Marching through the streets of Perth we waved banners opposing the war
> and chanted
>
> USA - USA - How many kids have you killed today?
>
>
> And please note, I was involved in all this BEFORE I believed 9/11
> was an inside job!!
>
> I'm also on mailing lists that bitterly oppose the occupation of
Iraq, U.S. policy
> in Israel, the impending war in Iran, and U.S. foreign policy in
general,
> where the majority of people seem to dismiss the 9/11 insiders as being
> "conspiracy theorists".
> (see for example anti-allawi-group@ yahoogroups.com)
>
> To see the egregious and horrid nature of U.S. foreign policies is
easy:
> Just go and get a copy of Addicted to War or watch What I Have Learned
> About U.S. Foreign Policy, or else read William Blum's excellent
Rogue State:
> A Guide to the World's Only Superpower.
>
> They're all easily available here:
>
> http://www.addictedtowar.com/
> http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/William_Blum.html
>
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1567511945/102-3205371-7573754?v=glance&n=283155
>
> So yes, even when I believed 9/11 was BLOWBACK against the U.S. due
> to it's horrendous history of foreign policy, I was still bitterly
opposed to its
> policies of aggression.
>
> So please drop this completely unfounded crap about 'don't talk about
> ending the foreign policies.'
>
> Who are you to make this criticism?
>
> Anyway, didn't you notice? This mailing list is "911TruthAction" -
> there's dozens of other mailing lists devoted to ending/changing
> US foreign policy. Dial one of those up if that's the topic you
> want to discuss.
>
> . . .
>
> But while we're on the subject of conveniently explaining away all the
> 'coincidences' of September 11 2001, in addition to the excellent
> questions below, can you also explain:
>
> * why has no other steel frame structure building, either before or
after 9/11,
> EVER collapsed due to fire, even though some of them have burned
> MUCH hotter and for MUCH longer?
>
> * what happened to the wreckage of the plane at the Pentagon? How could
> titanium alloy engines have 'disintegrated' in the inferno, when jet
fuel simply
> does not burn hot enough? This is scientifically impossible!
>
> * how could the 9/11 hijacker, who supposedly flew into the Pentagon,
> have pulled off such complex aerial manouevres in a commercial
airliner,
> when one of the flight instructors described him as being an average
> to below average pilot, even in a small Cessna aircraft around a
local airport?
>
> Maybe he had the help of Allah?
>
> * why did the 'terrorists' who hit the Pentagon hit the unoccupied
west wing,
> when Rumsfeld and all the top military brass were conveniently
sitting safely
> on the other side? Did the hijackers, after so many months of
meticulous
> planning, and with such excellent piloting skills, want to spare the
lives
> of these men?
>
> * why in the photo of the Pentagon is there a stool, with an opened
book,
> made of PAPER, that is unsinged? Wouldn't the 'raging inferno' of
jet fuel,
> hot enough to disintegrate titanium alloy, have consumed a paper book
> in an instant?
>
> * how did one of the hijackers' passport, made of PAPER,
conveniently survive
> the WTC crash, but the black boxes didn't?
>
>
> May I ask, have you seriously examined the evidence?
>
>
> People with military minds supressed their foreknowledge about the
> bombing of Pearl Harbor, leading to hundreds of unnecessary deaths,
> in order to get America into WWII.
>
> People with military minds nuclear bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
> instantly evaporating tens of thousands of innocent men, women and
children,
> and then made up bogus stories to justify it.
>
> They firebombed Dresden, a largely civilian city, which was housing
tens
> of thousands of innocent refugees who had escaped there for refuge.
>
> They lied about the Gulf of Tonkin event in order to violently
attack Vietnam
> and slaughter millions of Vietnamese "communists".
>
> When confronted with the deaths of HALF A MILLION children in Iraq
> due to their egregious sanctions regime, Madelaine Albright just said
> "we think the price is worth it", and most people didn't bat an eyelid.
>
> They LIED and LIED about Iraq's non-existent WMD, when they well knew
> that the war on Iraq was preplanned all along.
>
> When confronted with the fact of 10,000 or more innocent civilian deaths
> in Iraq after "shock and awe", it didn't even upset Rumsfeld and his
ilk's
> breakfast.
>
> And you think these same sort of military minds could care less about
> a few thousand people in New York and a few heavily insured buildings
> if it allowed them to pursue their foreign policy agendas?
>
> Grow up and join the real world. Or did you come down in the last
shower
> of rain?
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> James.
>
>
> Oh yes, here it is:
> The 911 Coincidence Guide
> At Last, A Cogent Response to Those Nutty 911 Conspiracy Theories
> http://educate-yourself.org/cn/coincidence911guide15aug04.shtml
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html
>
>
>
>
> Naveed <flanker12k@...> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"
>
> then would you mind explaining where the hell did those pools of
molten steel that were found
> weeks later 70 feet below ground were formed?
>
>
> would you mind explaining what the hell happened with building 7?
>
>
> why not the eyewitness reports of hearing explosions?
>
> exploding furniture?
>
>
> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html
>
> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_fire.htm
>
>
> you mind explaining why the hell did the construction manager of
the WTC complexes went on
> record (before 9/11) to say that the buildings were designed to take
a hit from a 707 possibly two? and
> he went on to say that an airplane would effect the building like a
pencil poking misquito
> netting? (hardly any damage)
>
>
> you mind explaining the alleged "inferno" that caused the
"bending" could have allowed people to
> be standing in the holes the planes made? Relatives of superman?
>
> oh yeah why don't you look up the photographic evidence of the
windows being blown out right
> next to the building next to the WTCs........ it must have been the
jet fuel traveling down the
> elevator shafts that blew them out, right?
>
>
> what about the fact that the steel beams were nicely cut like
confetti? when looking at the site
> with a birdseye view?
>
>
> almost forgot, what bout the squibs that were made as the
buildings were brought down???
>
>
> last but not least what bout the reports of bush planning on
attacking pipeghanistan in the
> summer and spring of 01 that was in the foriegn press?
>
>
> BBC, Janes information group, Times of India?
>
>
> the Whore on Terror is a giant fraud to destroy the bedrock of
what was the land of the free and
> home of the brave.....
>
>
> Tom <Tom@...> wrote:
>
> Indications of the Imminent Collapse
> of the World Trade Center Buildings Disprove
> the "Controlled Explosions Theory"
>
> Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition" "The World
Trade Center towers showed
> telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before
each crumbled to the ground,
> scientists probing the Sept. 11, 2001, disaster said yesterday."
There would not be telltale signs if it
> was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to
collapse.
>
> "In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported
seeing the warning signs - an
> inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before
it collapsed at 10:29 a.m. "
>
> What is clear is at least eight minutes before WTC 1 collapsed, the
structure of the building was
> failing. This simply would not be happening if explosives caused the
collapse because explosives
> don't go off in slow motion for eight minutes. Obviously, the way an
actual controlled explosion
> happens is the explosives all go off in a matter of seconds. There
simply would not be warning signs
> that the buildings were about to be demolished by explosives, it
would of course just suddenly
> happen. But that is not what happened, the buildings did not
suddenly collapse without any
> indications that they would. Instead, the fires were compromising
the structural integrity of the buildings
> and as the buildings' support structures failed, the exterior
started to buckle and this bucking
> was evident to observers such as the police helicopters circling the
towers. "The NYPD aviation
> unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of
the buildings," lead investigator
> Shyam Sunder said
> at a presentation in midtown. " They could see that the
exterior steel beams of the buildings
> were bowing. "Engineers believe the bowing of the exterior steel
beams near the flame-engulfed floors
> was the critical "triggering point" because that's the direction
each tower tilted as it came
> crashing down."
>
> Other key findings include:
>
> Even though the jet fuel on the planes burned off in the first
few minutes after impact, there
> was enough office furniture to sustain intense fires for at least an
hour.
>
>
>
> The original builders of the twin towers and those who later
renovated the structures did not
> have a clear technical standard for deciding on how much insulation
to use around the structural
> beams, many of which gave way in the intense heat.
>
> See full article below. For Info on the collapse WTC 7, see Facts
about 9/11.
>
> We have an unacceptable risk to our nation because of specific
foreign policies.
>
> People who promote these erroneous 9/11 theories undermine
efforts to get the focus on stopping
> these foreign policies. We must take a serious look at the motives
for the 9/11 attacks and call for
> a full review of the specific foreign policies that motivate
terrorists to attack us. I see a lot
> of people are spreading this "controlled demolition" theory, I also
notice they don't talk about
> ending the foreign policies. Please donate to help Representative
Press get the facts out to the
> people.
>
> False theories like "9/11 was a controlled demolition" or "9/11 was
an inside job" or "The WTC
> collapsed because of explosives" really f*** up efforts to stop the
specific foreign policies that
> put our nation at risk. These false theories undermine serious
efforts to get foreign polcies
> addressed, for example, U.S. support for Israel.
> I suspect more than a few people pushing these false theories are
very happy to misdirrect the
> American public away from questioning specific foreign policies
like U.S. support for Israel. (It
> is the main policy of the foreign policies that motivated the 9/11
terrorists. The plotter of 9/11,
> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, actaully went to school here in the U.S. He
was angry at the U.S. not
> because of his experiences here as a student, but rather because of
the U.S. foreign policy favoring
> Israel.) I am working hard to set the record straight and end the
risk of terrorism. Please Click
> on the Representative Press Logo and Donate to help me get the truth
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> are clearly well funded and like I have said, they misdirrect the
American public away from
> questioning specific foreign polices like U.S. support for Israel. I
need some money to work with to
> undo the damage these websites are doing and get the facts to the
people. 9/11 was not a game, these
> conspiracy
> theories undermine efforts to get the government to change the
unjust Middle East policies: Full
> article below: 9/11 cops saw collapse coming New York Daily
News - June 19th, 2004 By PAUL
> H.B. SHIN
> The World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about
to collapse several minutes
> before each crumbled to the ground, scientists probing the Sept. 11,
2001, disaster said yesterday.
>
> In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported
seeing the warning signs - an
> inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before
it collapsed at 10:29 a.m.
>
> But emergency responders inside the tower never got the order to
evacuate due to faulty
> communications equipment and garbled lines of command, investigators
with the National Institute of
> Standards and Technology said in its second interim report on the
collapse's causes.
>
> "The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the
impending collapse of the
> buildings," lead investigator Shyam Sunder said at a presentation in
midtown.
>
> "[If] that information would have been communicated faster to all
of the emergency responders in
> the buildings, it could have helped save lives," he said.
>
> Engineers believe the bowing of the exterior steel beams near the
flame-engulfed floors was the
> critical "triggering point" because that's the direction each tower
tilted as it came crashing down.
>
> The findings that emergency responders could have been warned about
the imminent collapse angered
> some victims' relatives, who were already fuming about the 9/11
Commission's report on Thursday
> that government foulups contributed to the chaos on that fateful day.
>
> "Eight to 10 minutes could have meant life for so many people," said
Sally Regenhard, whose son,
> Christian, was a probationary firefighter who died in the collapse.
>
> "We had no integrated command structure, so that the Police
Department was unable to communicate
> the fact that the building was going to collapse to the Fire
Department," she said. "It's a knife
> in the heart of the relatives of the victims."
>
> Other key findings include:
>
> Even though the jet fuel on the planes burned off in the first
few minutes after impact, there
> was enough office furniture to sustain intense fires for at least an
hour.
>
>
> If the twin towers had been fully occupied - 25,000 people - it
would have taken four hours to
> evacuate the buildings.
>
>
> The original builders of the twin towers and those who later
renovated the structures did not
> have a clear technical standard for deciding on how much insulation
to use around the structural
> beams, many of which gave way in the intense heat.
> - http://www.skyscrapersafety.org/html/article_20040619.html
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 06:06:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: PROMIS software = 9-11

PROMIS software = 9-11

In response to james patton
About software and 9-11 and how can software have anything to do with 9-11, Please read!
From: james_patton
PS - I'm new to this list, but I find a lot of the posts to be completely off-topic. It may be interesting to debate whether or not Symantec is distributing viruses, but I can't see that it has anything whatsoever to do with 911 Truth and Action!
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Please look up this:
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 06:55:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Legere <sledger911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"

The Molten Steel was found >> UNDER THE GROUND FLOOR LEVEL....in the 7&th Floor BASEMENT... Thats where the 47 steel coolums were connected to the BEDROCK...Supporting ALL the weight of the building...Demo A building with Explosives ...You have to cut the Ground support this was probaly THERMITE ... 5000 degrees cuts through STEEL like butter.

Got any more brain busters?

Tom <Tom@RepresentativePress.org> wrote:
--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Naveed <flanker12k@...> wrote:
>
> then would you mind explaining where the hell did those pools of
molten steel that were found weeks later 70 feet below ground were formed?
>

There was enourmous potential energy in the buidlings. WHen they fell,
the collapse generated heat. That is why parts of the debris were so hot.

Put a penny on the railroad tracks. Emmeidaetly after the train runs
over it and flattens it go fetch the penny and put it into your mouth.
Now you won't forget the lesson that physical force gets converted
into heat.

> would you mind explaining what the hell happened with building 7?
>
http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/

At 10:29 a.m., WTC 1 (the north tower) collapsed and contrary to the
claims of 9/11 conspiracy people, it did not collapse into its
footprint like a controlled explosion. (See the diagram) Instead, as
the building collapsed, the debris from WTC 1 spilled into the
surrounding streets and onto WTC 7 among others, damaging the
building. (See the diagram to the left showing the debris in black
which extended north beyond WTC 6).

Eyewitness accounts from firemen such as Captain Chris Boyle and
Deputy Chief Peter Hayden and photographic evidence back this up. It
is the south side of WTC 7 that was damaged and it is likely that the
fires (see figures 5-16 and 5-17) started as a result of debris from
the collapse of WTC 1, the fires in WTC 7 started at approximately the
same time as the collapse of WTC 1 and it is the fires that are
primarily the reason the WTC 7 building collapsed. Most 9/11
conspiracy people only show you the east side and north side of the
WTC 7. http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/WTC7.html

See WTC 7 Page 2 for more eyewitness accounts from firemen and
photographic evidence

"He answered, 7 World Trade Center, imminent collapse, we've got to
get those people out of there. I walked out and I got to Vesey and
West, where I reported to Frank. He said, we're moving the command
post over this way, that building's coming down.

At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire
and smoke that really wasn't bothering us when we were searching
because it was being pushed southeast"
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:59:25 -0000
From: "Tom" <Tom@RepresentativePress.org>
Subject: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Scott Legere <sledger911@...>
wrote:
>
> The Molten Steel was found >> UNDER THE GROUND FLOOR LEVEL....in the
7&th Floor BASEMENT... Thats where the 47 steel coolums were connected
to the BEDROCK...Supporting ALL the weight of the building...Demo A
building with Explosives ...You have to cut the Ground support this
was probaly THERMITE ... 5000 degrees cuts through STEEL like butter.
>
> Got any more brain busters?

Did you even watch any video of the towers falling? They fell from the
top down. They did not explode from the basement. Gee whiz.

>
> Tom <Tom@...> wrote:
> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Naveed <flanker12k@> wrote:
> >
> > then would you mind explaining where the hell did those pools of
> molten steel that were found weeks later 70 feet below ground were
formed?
> >
>
> There was enourmous potential energy in the buidlings. WHen they fell,
> the collapse generated heat. That is why parts of the debris were so
hot.
>
> Put a penny on the railroad tracks. Emmeidaetly after the train runs
> over it and flattens it go fetch the penny and put it into your mouth.
> Now you won't forget the lesson that physical force gets converted
> into heat.
>
>
>
> > would you mind explaining what the hell happened with building 7?
> >
> http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/
>
> At 10:29 a.m., WTC 1 (the north tower) collapsed and contrary to the
> claims of 9/11 conspiracy people, it did not collapse into its
> footprint like a controlled explosion. (See the diagram) Instead, as
> the building collapsed, the debris from WTC 1 spilled into the
> surrounding streets and onto WTC 7 among others, damaging the
> building. (See the diagram to the left showing the debris in black
> which extended north beyond WTC 6).
>
> Eyewitness accounts from firemen such as Captain Chris Boyle and
> Deputy Chief Peter Hayden and photographic evidence back this up. It
> is the south side of WTC 7 that was damaged and it is likely that the
> fires (see figures 5-16 and 5-17) started as a result of debris from
> the collapse of WTC 1, the fires in WTC 7 started at approximately the
> same time as the collapse of WTC 1 and it is the fires that are
> primarily the reason the WTC 7 building collapsed. Most 9/11
> conspiracy people only show you the east side and north side of the
> WTC 7. http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/WTC7.html
>
> See WTC 7 Page 2 for more eyewitness accounts from firemen and
> photographic evidence
>
> "He answered, 7 World Trade Center, imminent collapse, we've got to
> get those people out of there. I walked out and I got to Vesey and
> West, where I reported to Frank. He said, we're moving the command
> post over this way, that building's coming down.
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> At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 07:00:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: More software used by the Government to frame anybody they want!

More software used by the Government to frame anybody they want!
Identity masking software, yes this does have to do with 9-11!

Arkin says a close reading of internal CIFA documents suggests the agency may be expanding its Internet monitoring, and wants to be as surreptitious as possible. CIFA has contracted to buy "identity masking" software that would allow the agency to create phony Web identities and let them appear to be located in foreign countries, according to a copy of the contract with Computer Sciences Corp. (The firm declined to comment.)
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The links:
RSS Daily News :: RSSlib,RSS2HTML,RSS2JS,RSS feeds,RSS directory ...
No software to install. Online news from most read RSS sources: Yahoo, BBC, ... The proposal, made by a presidential commission, would transform CIFA from ...
www.2rss.com/news/?rss=http://scamusa.com%2Fbackend.php - 35k - Cached - Similar pages
Arsenal of Hypocrisy Articles
Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax + 9/11 Times Square action ... CIFA has contracted to buy "identity masking" software that would allow the ...
www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/article.asp - 128k - Cached - Similar pages
Concurring Opinions: A Secret Defense Department Database of ...
... has stepped up intelligence collection inside this country since 9/11, ... A separate CIFA contract with a small Virginia-based defense contractor seeks ...
www.concurringopinions.com/ archives/2005/12/a_secret_govern.html - 29k - Cached - Similar pages
Early Warning by William M. Arkin - washingtonpost.com
On Friday, I reported that the Pentagon had ordered CIFA to purge its databases ... In the world of some crazy counter-terrorism paranoid conspiracy (and of ...
blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/ 2006/01/pentagon_collec.html - Similar pages
Obsidian Wings: Someone Is Watching You...
The commission urged that CIFA be given authority to carry out domestic criminal ... For those of you with blogs and tracking software, it might be worth ...
obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/ 2005/11/someone_is_watc_2.html - 76k - Cached - Similar pages
Week of November 27, 2005 to December 03, 2005 | Prometheus 6
Ballance, 62, pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud ... The proposal, made by a presidential commission, would transform CIFA from ...
www.prometheus6.org/week/node/2005/11/27 - 101k - Cached - Similar pages
King of Zembla
The White House proposal would transform CIFA into an office that has ... Around 9:35 on the morning of 9/11, Cheney was lifted off his feet by the Secret ...
simbaud.blogspot.com/ - 101k - Cached - Similar pages
Alternative Press Review :: Your Guide Beyond the Mainstream
Feature articles include: The Ghosts of 9/11: Reflections on History, ... The proposal, made by a presidential commission, would transform CIFA from an ...
www.altpr.org/modules.php?op=modload& name=News&file=index&catid=&topic=13 - 65k - Cached - Similar pages
newswire : Miami IMC
On Saturday March 18, 6 PM, two of Florida's top 9/11 whistle-blowers will ... Per IRS web site, List and links to Free software for preparing Form 1040 and ...
miami.indymedia.org/news/?category=17 - 39k - Cached - Similar pages
Is the Pentagon Spying on Americans? :: hightimes.com
Some Pentagon observers worry that in the effort to thwart the next 9/11, ... CIFA is becoming the superpower of data mining within the US national security ...
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