Saturday, March 04, 2006

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1154

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. This Girl " Lisa McPherson "in this letter was killed by a Satanic cult
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
2. Hint as to my MK-ultra\Manchurian\set me up I miss spelled Israel as �Isreal� I believe
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
3. RAND agenda how they do it!!!
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
4. militarist agendas, especially through the RAND Corporation
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
5. RAND Board of Trustees
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
6. Military-Industrial Espionage? This is a Big yes. I am telling you!
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
7. Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"
From: "Tom" <Tom@RepresentativePress.org>
8. RE: DUBYA" HEARD "GOD SPEAK DIRECTLY TO HIM" ???
From: "Eva Walker" <cowgirl269704@msn.com>
9. Symantec anti virus?
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
10. Please remove Durr Imediately
From: "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
11. More mind games!!!! Hummmm who is this guy???
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
12. Who to talk to
From: "Donald Stahl" <politicstahl@hotmail.com>
13. Re: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"
From: Mark S Bilk <mark@cosmicpenguin.com>
14. Don't Worry Dubia Ports-Worry Chinese Navy&AirForce Port in Bahamas !!
From: ranger116@webtv.net
15. Greg Nixon:...Sorry found this post as well on the net, was wondering if it is the same �Greg Nixon����? Just something to think about!
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
16. Re: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
17. Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
18. Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
19. The problem is that to many entities need & want war!
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
20. Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"
From: "Tom" <Tom@RepresentativePress.org>
21. The Bible says: "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try [test] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
22. UNITED ARAB EMIRATES TO RUN UNITED STATES MILITARY FACILITIES ?
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
23. Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse? by Steven E. Jones
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
24. �people are so stupid that they would not even recognize the truth even if they heard it.�
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
25. Contact Media Through Congress.org
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:33:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: This Girl " Lisa McPherson "in this letter was killed by a Satanic cult

This Girl " Lisa McPherson "in this letter was killed by a Satanic cult

This Girl � Lisa McPherson �in this letter was killed by a Satanic cult with has a motto that goes �having a conscience is like having extra baggage�, this group has ties to the government! I know who these people are, I know that saying, I remember it from when I was a kid!
From Manchurian!
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The letter�..

SHE LOOKS SOOO MUCH LIKE TERRI SCHIAVO DID
THIS WAS SENT IN BY UNKNOWN READER:
After the Scientologists at the cult's "spiritual headquarters" in Clearwater, Florida:
Grabbed her
Locked her up and isolated her for 17 days
Force drugged her
Denied her any medical attention
Dehydrated her
Killed her with criminal neglect
Here's what Scientology's ecclesiastical leader had to say about it: Lisa McPherson
1959 - 1995
"At the time I don't think it was really thought to be that significant an issue.
She died. People die."

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:34:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Hint as to my MK-ultra\Manchurian\set me up I miss spelled Israel as �Isreal� I believe

Hint as to my MK-ultra\Manchurian\set me up I miss spelled Israel as "Isreal" I believe.

From Manchurian
A letter I sent Randi
I listen to you often and I know you know Michael Ruppert and his book �Crossing the Rubicon�. I know things more inside than him, I was a MK-ultra Manchurian. I was also part of a draconian oath gone wrong. These things have happened to me because I am some how related to some one from the middle east that is in the news all the time right now. My grandmother told me the last time that I saw her alive that she was kidnapped from Syria, that her name was not her real name and that it had something to do with me. She was stressed out and I told her not to worry about it, some times I wished I had asked her more. They have controlled most of everyone that I have worked for, neighbors etc. I used to work for people who have ties to what is now I believe Raytheon defense. I still consider some of them as friends while others I just don�t know about.
For what it is worth I don�t hate Jews, Blacks or anyone else for that matter, I am just not a hater. That�s why that draconian oath thingy went wrong I am glad to be alive.
Hint as to my MK-ultra\Manchurian\set me up I miss spelled Israel as �Isreal� I believe.

I can not give details etc., but here is some �key words� that I defiantly know about.
Nazi
Draconian oath
Manchurian Candidate
N.w.o.
Mkultra
HAARP
PROMIS
Sincerely
Scott Durr


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:36:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: RAND agenda how they do it!!!

RAND agenda how they do it!!!


RAND agenda how they do it!!!


What most Americans believe to be "Public Opinion" is in reality carefully crafted and scripted propaganda designed to elicit a desired behavioral response from the public. Public opinion polls are really taken with the intent of gauging the public's acceptance of the Illuminati's planned programs. A strong showing in the polls tells the Illuminati that the programing is "taking", while a poor showing tells the NWO manipulators that they have to recast or "tweak" the programming until the desired response is achieved. While the thrust and content of the propaganda is decided at Tavistock, implementation of the propaganda is executed in the United States by well over 200 'think tanks' such as the Rand Corporation and the Brookings Institute which are overseen and directed by the top NWO mind control organization in the United States, the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) in Menlo Park, California.


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:37:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: militarist agendas, especially through the RAND Corporation

It is all thru the RAND corporation!!


It is all thru the RAND corporation!!
St Andrews-RAND nexus: redefining terrorismJust as journalists who attach themselves to military units are now seen as �embedded� with the military, the counter-insurgency theorists are embedded as experts in universities and think tanks. Today an analogous network connects academics with militarist agendas, especially through the RAND Corporation, which has held numerous contracts to advise the US military. In 1993 Bruce Hoffman temporarily left RAND to found the Centre for Studies in Terrorism and Political Violence (CSTPV) at the University of St Andrews. Hoffman is currently an Honorary Senior Research Associate at the CSTPV. Brian Jenkins, a Senior Analyst at RAND who founded the corporation�s terrorism research programme in 1972, is currently a member of the CSTPV Advisory Council. The relationship is further strengthened through the collaborative establishment of the RAND-St Andrews database of �international terrorism incidents�.
The RAND-St Andrews nexus skews understandings of �terrorism�, especially through its pivotal role in the peer review and publishing of research. Members of the Centre and of RAND hold key editorial positions on the two foremost academic journals in the field: Studies in Conflict and Terrorism, and Terrorism and Political Violence. Those journals emphasise political violence directed against states, while largely ignoring violence by states, except those not allied to US or Western European countries � i.e., those described as �rogue states� by the US government (Burnett and Whyte, 2005).
Embedded experts define �terrorism� selectively, with a bias towards US-led alliances and against any resistance. According to Prof. Paul Wilkinson, Director of the CSTPV, extra-judicial assassinations by Israel are �ruthless acts of counter-terror�, i.e. self defence (Wilkinson, 2002: 68). Within this perspective the USA, the UK and their client states never carry out �terrorism�.
In a mid-1990s government inquiry on terrorism, Wilkinson emphasised violence by oppressed groups, while ignoring state violence against them. In particular he problematised trans-national support for �the weak�:
� almost any prolonged and significant terrorist campaign is likely to have an international dimension: almost every terrorist group tends to look across the borders of the state where it is based, and further afield, not only for weapons, funds, training and safe-haven, but for any ideological, political or diplomatic support it can manage to obtain; sub-state terrorism is typically the weapon of the weak (Wilkinson, 1996: 4).
Such diagnoses justified permanent anti-terrorist legislation to target the weak.
That report led to the Terrorism Act 2000, which broadened the definition of terrorism. It blurred any distinction between political protest and organised violence, as well as any distinction between ideological and material support. This law redefined terrorism to include simply 'the threat' of 'serious damage to property', in ways 'designed to influence the government' for a 'political cause'. Moreover, it banned organisations on the basis that their activities abroad fit that broad definition, and criminalised any �association� with such organisations in Britain. After the September 11 attacks, the EU Council redefined terrorism in even broader ways. Predictably, such powers have been used to intimidate (and sometimes prosecute) political opponents of oppressive regimes allied to the UK. These developments ominously bring home to Britain the counter-insurgency theory that was deployed in its colonies, and in Northern Ireland during the 1970s, to counter political revolt.
An associate of the CSTPV, Rohan Gunaratna (2003), has offered expert testimony in UK prosecutions for supposed membership in �terrorist� groups. In the court case of Meziane, several refugees in Leicester were accused of fund-raising for terrorist activities abroad. After Gunaratna claimed that they were Al Qaeda members, he was challenged by the defence to provide documentation, but he did not. Consequently, the allegations were dropped and he was not recalled as a witness. Neither did the prosecution take up his similar offer in another case against refugees for alleged membership of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). Nevertheless Gunaratna is still quoted as an expert by journalists.
Embedded in the Iraq occupation
Beyond its academic roles, the RAND-St Andrews nexus has close professional links with key political and corporate players in the �war against terror�. An important example is Bruce Hoffman, founder member of the CSTPV and currently RAND Corporation�s key expert on terrorism. In 2004 he was appointed as senior advisor on counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency to the Constitutional Provisional Authority in Iraq. Hoffman argued that the occupation strategy can be successful only if it adopts a British colonial model of counter-insurgency, comparable to perspectives in Kitson�s Low Intensity Operations!


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:38:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: RAND Board of Trustees

RAND Board of Trustees

RAND Board of Trustees
Ronald L. Olson, (Chairman) Partner, Munger, Tolles & Olson
Ann McLaughlin Korologos, (Vice Chairman) Chairman Emeritus, The Aspen Institute; former Secretary of Labor
Carl Bildt, Former Prime Minister (Sweden)
Peter S. Bing, Private Investor
Harold Brown, Counselor, Center for Strategic and International Studies
Frank C. Carlucci, Chairman, The Carlyle Group
Lovida H. Coleman, Jr., Partner, Sutherland, Asbill & Brennan LLP
Robert Curvin, President, Greentree Foundation
Pedro Jose Greer, Jr., M.D., Assistant Dean, University of Miami School of Medicine
Rita E. Hauser, President, The Hauser Foundation, Inc.
Karen Elliott House, President, International Group of Dow Jones & Co., Inc.
Jen-Hsun Huang, President and Chief Executive Officer, NVIDIA Corporation
Paul G. Kaminski, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Technovation, Inc.
Bruce Karatz, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, KB Home
Philip Lader, Chairman, WPP Group
Arthur Levitt, Senior Advisor, The Carlyle Group
Lloyd N. Morrisett, Retired President, The Markle Foundation
Amy B. Pascal, Chairman, Columbia Pictures
Patricia Salas Pineda, Vice President, Legal, Human Resources, Environmental & Government Affairs, and Corporate Secretary, New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc.
John Edward Porter, Partner, Hogan & Hartson
John Reed, Retired Chairman, Citigroup
Donald B. Rice, President and Chief Executive Officer, Agensys, Inc.; former President and Chief Operating Officer, Teledyne, Inc.; former President, RAND
Kenneth I. Shine, M.D., President, Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences
Jerry I. Speyer, President, Tishman Speyer Properties, Inc.
James A. Thomson, President and Chief Executive Officer, RAND
James Q. Wilson, James A. Collins Professor Emeritus of Management, The John E. Anderson Graduate School of Management, University of California, Los Angeles


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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:43:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Military-Industrial Espionage? This is a Big yes. I am telling you!

Could the Anthrax Mailings Be
Military-Industrial Espionage? This is a Big yes. I am telling you!

Docutronix = Anthrax

A Special Report

By

Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H.*

Abstract

On October 1, 2001-approximately two weeks prior to the first
publicly announced anthrax mailing-FBI officials received an
urgent warning from this author. Investigators were directed to
consider certain pharmaceutical and/or military contractors as
suspects in anthrax-related psychological operations (PSYOPs)
and bioterro-linked espionage. Near the time of this writing,
some of my critical pronouncements have appeared in national
news reports. On November 26, 2001, concerns regarding the
Bayer Corporation's Cipro were featured by the Washington Times.
(1) On December 2 and 3, 2001, the New York Times focused on
U.S. military biological weapons contractors as the source of
the anthrax-mailings.(2,3) This report relays additional
evidence that these criminal offenses, classically called
serial murders by the FBI, are best explained by a relatively
new treasonous form of military-industrial espionage. This
conclusion is supported by the public access reports cited
herein, and issued by scientific and military officials alike,
as presented by the mainstream media. Amazingly, despite
generally perceived limitations on freedom of the press, enough
truths are still told today to allow determined investigators
and journalists to piece little known facts together to reflect
broad, sociopolitical criminal realities. The following report
provides important background on the suspects implicated in the
anthrax mailings. As with every official FBI investigation of
suspects in serial slayings, a review of the developmental
histories of chief suspects was conducted while considering
military-industrial espionage as a possible motive for the
crime of sending anthrax through the mail. From this knowledge,
chief suspects were identified, and a determination of the sole
source of the mailed anthrax was made. The evidence strongly
suggests a conspiracy to commit espionage and treason against
America involving anthrax developers at the Battelle Memorial
Institute, and agents within the Central Intelligence Agency
(CIA) and/or national security system.

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:55:54 -0000
From: "Tom" <Tom@RepresentativePress.org>
Subject: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Naveed <flanker12k@...> wrote:
>
> then would you mind explaining where the hell did those pools of
molten steel that were found weeks later 70 feet below ground were formed?
>

There was enourmous potential energy in the buidlings. WHen they fell,
the collapse generated heat. That is why parts of the debris were so hot.

Put a penny on the railroad tracks. Emmeidaetly after the train runs
over it and flattens it go fetch the penny and put it into your mouth.
Now you won't forget the lesson that physical force gets converted
into heat.


> would you mind explaining what the hell happened with building 7?
>
http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/

At 10:29 a.m., WTC 1 (the north tower) collapsed and contrary to the
claims of 9/11 conspiracy people, it did not collapse into its
footprint like a controlled explosion. (See the diagram) Instead, as
the building collapsed, the debris from WTC 1 spilled into the
surrounding streets and onto WTC 7 among others, damaging the
building. (See the diagram to the left showing the debris in black
which extended north beyond WTC 6).

Eyewitness accounts from firemen such as Captain Chris Boyle and
Deputy Chief Peter Hayden and photographic evidence back this up. It
is the south side of WTC 7 that was damaged and it is likely that the
fires (see figures 5-16 and 5-17) started as a result of debris from
the collapse of WTC 1, the fires in WTC 7 started at approximately the
same time as the collapse of WTC 1 and it is the fires that are
primarily the reason the WTC 7 building collapsed. Most 9/11
conspiracy people only show you the east side and north side of the
WTC 7. http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/WTC7.html

See WTC 7 Page 2 for more eyewitness accounts from firemen and
photographic evidence

"He answered, 7 World Trade Center, imminent collapse, we've got to
get those people out of there. I walked out and I got to Vesey and
West, where I reported to Frank. He said, we're moving the command
post over this way, that building's coming down.

At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire
and smoke that really wasn't bothering us when we were searching
because it was being pushed southeast"
http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/WTC7Page2.html

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:56:20 -0700
From: "Eva Walker" <cowgirl269704@msn.com>
Subject: RE: DUBYA" HEARD "GOD SPEAK DIRECTLY TO HIM" ???

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:06:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Symantec anti virus?

To whom it may concern:


Symantec anti virus?


Doing a quick �Gooogle� search using the key words �Symantec & conspiracy� will give you thousands of hits. It is my opinion that Symantec anti virus software is responsible for a large percent of the viruses on the net, sure it removes most of all known viruses but that is all just part of the equation, after all it is just a matter of Symantec�s isn�t it! You can hardly get a computer without it having ever been installed on it. Think about that for awhile!
Scott \ Manchurian


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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:11:27 -0000
From: "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Please remove Durr Imediately

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:21:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: More mind games!!!! Hummmm who is this guy???

More mind games!!!! Hummmm who is this guy??? Indy Media Watch: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists to March on Ground Zero Greg Nixon won a "9/11 "truthseeker" Oscar last year on a list which is the who's who ... and the problem with conspiracy theorists: they're freakin idiots. ...
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:31:59 -0000
From: "Donald Stahl" <politicstahl@hotmail.com>
Subject: Who to talk to

Many people automatically think of converting their "elected
officials," and writing their congresscritters and senators. These
people automatically lead from the rear. They won't risk their jobs by
being out in front. (I remember Bobby Kennedy taking over George
McGovern's anti-war following after it was clear he had enough backing.)

It occurs to me we don't need to bother with these people so much
directly. If we can enlist enough celebrities, of any type, we can
reach the public through them. True, the media made a big thing out of
the Dixie Chicks' supposed "backlash," but how do we know it was
anything like what they said? Just a few celebrities, especially ones
big enough to be impossible to ignore, and unafraid of losing a few
bucks temporarily, could make 9/11 Truth better known. The presence of
celebrities at 9/11 Truth events could be a big help.

Comments, anyone?

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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:36:28 -0800
From: Mark S Bilk <mark@cosmicpenguin.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"

On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 05:55:54PM -0000, Tom wrote:
>--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Naveed <flanker12k@...> wrote:
>>
>> then would you mind explaining where the hell did those pools of
>molten steel that were found weeks later 70 feet below ground were formed?
>
>There was enourmous potential energy in the buidlings. WHen they fell,
>the collapse generated heat. That is why parts of the debris were so hot.

Would you please supply a quantitative proof of this theory?

And then account for these two photographs:

wtc341coreblast.jpg

Shows one of the towers half-way demolished, with large (20 ft)
pieces of debris being thrown horizontally, and smoking pieces
being thrown upwards at a 60 degree angle leaving trails
(the angle is not due to wind, since the smoke behind it is
going straight up).

image007.jpg

Also showing lots of debris being thrown sideways.

While pancaking floors could force smoke out, they could not
send 10-30 ft pieces of girders, or even siding, flying out
horizontally.

Photos from Chris Brown's website:

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:12:12 -0500
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: Don't Worry Dubia Ports-Worry Chinese Navy&AirForce Port in Bahamas !!

Don't Worry Dubia Ports-Worry Chinese Navy&AirForce Port in Bahamas !!

A Chinese front company for the Chinese Army "Hutchison Whampoa" Has
built a very large deep water ship port in the Bahamas 80 miles West of
Miami Florida, This "Freight Port ?" Also has an extra long extra heavy
duty aircraft runway to handle large air freight aircraft like Boing
747s.
So what happens someday soon when China decides under the cover of
friendly military war games with a Country near their Caribbean Bahamas
port, Brings in Chinese military ships, Submarines, bombers, fighter
planes and then after the war games are over ? They just Never Leave ? !

Chinese Company Completes World's Largest Port in Bahamas
Address:http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/1/19/02630

NewsMax.com: Intelligence Assessment
Address:http://www.newsmax.com/hutchison/secret1.shtml

NewsMax.com: America's News Page
Address:http://www.newsmax.com/hutchison/

Chinese Company Completes World's Largest Port In Bahamas
Address:http://www.rense.com/politics6/chinabahamas_p.htm

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Republican Congressman Predicts Bush Impeachment
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:35:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Greg Nixon:...Sorry found this post as well on the net, was wondering if it is the same �Greg Nixon����? Just something to think about!

Greg Nixon:
Sorry found this post as well on the net, was wondering if it is the same �Greg Nixon����? Just something to think about!

The ITT List
Now that Deep Throat has been revealed, Huffington said, �Progressives have an incredible responsibility that ... posted by Greg Nixon on 6-12-05 at 9:06 PM ...
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Why are people wasting their time with this Bulls--t?
Electoral politics are finished.

With the 2 stolen elections and the Bush regime coup on 9/11, America is now a criminal fascist state.
WAKE UP FOLKS, 9/11 was a U.S. Military Black Op. This is the ONLY thing people should be discussing. All follows from this.

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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:02:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"

It appears that Mr. patton is just a bit ill informed, and very well may have formed his OPINIONS based on just one or 2 brief observations.

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote: ya,

perfect trauma-based mind control exercise....... watch people die infront of your very eyes and tell you the moon is made of cheese.......people will actually go and defend that notion to the death afterwards if you argue with them otherwise eh?


the globalist SOBs are responsible for the calamities of foreign policy of the USA, and the media is an accessory before and after the fact......


and the bottom-line is there are no "real" terrorists other than the useful idiots working for the globalists......

sorry to hear about the gun confiscation you guys had down under.....


they tried a limited confiscation during katrina....beating up old ladies and taking their guns

James Patton <james_patton@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Tom <Tom@RepresentativePress.org> wrote:

> People who promote these erroneous 9/11 theories
> undermine efforts to get the focus on stopping
> these foreign policies. We must take a serious look
> at the motives for the 9/11 attacks and call for
> a full review of the specific foreign policies that
> motivate terrorists to attack us. I see a lot of people
> are spreading this "controlled demolition" theory,
> I also notice they don't talk about ending the foreign
> policies.

Well, I for one was opposed to the invasion of Afghanistan, and I marched
and did all within my rather meagre powers to oppose the war on Iraq -
we dug graves in public to make people mindful of the innocent victims
this war would cause; did a funeral march through the streets dressed in black and carrying coffins; did street theatre about depleted uranium; set up
a cage in the middle of Perth with a mock Guantanamo victim inside;
printed and handed out fliers; spoke about these issues with family and friends;
sent out hundreds of e-mails; we even tried to drive through the streets
of Perth with loudspeakers simulating the 'shock and awe' terrorist attacks
on Baghdad and distributing mutilated 'corpses', but the police seemed
to be ready for us on that one and quickly shut our protest down.

I also organised a public viewing of the excellent video 'What I Have
Learned About U.S. Foreign Policy'. (Unfortunately these events only
ever seem to attract a handful of already hardened activists - it's a bit like
'preaching to the choir'.)

And yes, we marched to the U.S. Consulate in Perth and protested outside.

Marching through the streets of Perth we waved banners opposing the war
and chanted

USA - USA - How many kids have you killed today?

And please note, I was involved in all this BEFORE I believed 9/11
was an inside job!!

I'm also on mailing lists that bitterly oppose the occupation of Iraq, U.S. policy
in Israel, the impending war in Iran, and U.S. foreign policy in general,
where the majority of people seem to dismiss the 9/11 insiders as being
"conspiracy theorists".
(see for example anti-allawi-group@ yahoogroups.com)

To see the egregious and horrid nature of U.S. foreign policies is easy:
Just go and get a copy of Addicted to War or watch What I Have Learned
About U.S. Foreign Policy, or else read William Blum's excellent Rogue State:
A Guide to the World's Only Superpower.

They're all easily available here:

http://www.addictedtowar.com/
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/William_Blum.html
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1567511945/102-3205371-7573754?v=glance&n=283155

So yes, even when I believed 9/11 was BLOWBACK against the U.S. due
to it's horrendous history of foreign policy, I was still bitterly opposed to its
policies of aggression.

So please drop this completely unfounded crap about 'don't talk about
ending the foreign policies.'

Who are you to make this criticism?

Anyway, didn't you notice? This mailing list is "911TruthAction" -
there's dozens of other mailing lists devoted to ending/changing
US foreign policy. Dial one of those up if that's the topic you
want to discuss.

. . .

But while we're on the subject of conveniently explaining away all the
'coincidences' of September 11 2001, in addition to the excellent
questions below, can you also explain:

* why has no other steel frame structure building, either before or after 9/11,
EVER collapsed due to fire, even though some of them have burned
MUCH hotter and for MUCH longer?

* what happened to the wreckage of the plane at the Pentagon? How could
titanium alloy engines have 'disintegrated' in the inferno, when jet fuel simply
does not burn hot enough? This is scientifically impossible!

* how could the 9/11 hijacker, who supposedly flew into the Pentagon,
have pulled off such complex aerial manouevres in a commercial airliner,
when one of the flight instructors described him as being an average
to below average pilot, even in a small Cessna aircraft around a local airport?

Maybe he had the help of Allah?

* why did the 'terrorists' who hit the Pentagon hit the unoccupied west wing,
when Rumsfeld and all the top military brass were conveniently sitting safely
on the other side? Did the hijackers, after so many months of meticulous
planning, and with such excellent piloting skills, want to spare the lives
of these men?

* why in the photo of the Pentagon is there a stool, with an opened book,
made of PAPER, that is unsinged? Wouldn't the 'raging inferno' of jet fuel,
hot enough to disintegrate titanium alloy, have consumed a paper book
in an instant?

* how did one of the hijackers' passport, made of PAPER, conveniently survive
the WTC crash, but the black boxes didn't?

May I ask, have you seriously examined the evidence?

People with military minds supressed their foreknowledge about the
bombing of Pearl Harbor, leading to hundreds of unnecessary deaths,
in order to get America into WWII.

People with military minds nuclear bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
instantly evaporating tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children,
and then made up bogus stories to justify it.

They firebombed Dresden, a largely civilian city, which was housing tens
of thousands of innocent refugees who had escaped there for refuge.

They lied about the Gulf of Tonkin event in order to violently attack Vietnam
and slaughter millions of Vietnamese "communists".

When confronted with the deaths of HALF A MILLION children in Iraq
due to their egregious sanctions regime, Madelaine Albright just said
"we think the price is worth it", and most people didn't bat an eyelid.

They LIED and LIED about Iraq's non-existent WMD, when they well knew
that the war on Iraq was preplanned all along.

When confronted with the fact of 10,000 or more innocent civilian deaths
in Iraq after "shock and awe", it didn't even upset Rumsfeld and his ilk's
breakfast.

And you think these same sort of military minds could care less about
a few thousand people in New York and a few heavily insured buildings
if it allowed them to pursue their foreign policy agendas?

Grow up and join the real world. Or did you come down in the last shower
of rain?

Kind regards,

James.

Oh yes, here it is:
The 911 Coincidence Guide
At Last, A Cogent Response to Those Nutty 911 Conspiracy Theories
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/coincidence911guide15aug04.shtml http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"

then would you mind explaining where the hell did those pools of molten steel that were found
weeks later 70 feet below ground were formed?


would you mind explaining what the hell happened with building 7?


why not the eyewitness reports of hearing explosions?

exploding furniture?


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_fire.htm


you mind explaining why the hell did the construction manager of the WTC complexes went on
record (before 9/11) to say that the buildings were designed to take a hit from a 707 possibly two? and
he went on to say that an airplane would effect the building like a pencil poking misquito
netting? (hardly any damage)


you mind explaining the alleged "inferno" that caused the "bending" could have allowed people to
be standing in the holes the planes made? Relatives of superman?

oh yeah why don't you look up the photographic evidence of the windows being blown out right
next to the building next to the WTCs........ it must have been the jet fuel traveling down the
elevator shafts that blew them out, right?


what about the fact that the steel beams were nicely cut like confetti? when looking at the site
with a birdseye view?


almost forgot, what bout the squibs that were made as the buildings were brought down???


last but not least what bout the reports of bush planning on attacking pipeghanistan in the
summer and spring of 01 that was in the foriegn press?


BBC, Janes information group, Times of India?


the Whore on Terror is a giant fraud to destroy the bedrock of what was the land of the free and
home of the brave.....

Tom <Tom@RepresentativePress.org> wrote:

Indications of the Imminent Collapse
of the World Trade Center Buildings Disprove
the "Controlled Explosions Theory"

Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition" "The World Trade Center towers showed
telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground,
scientists probing the Sept. 11, 2001, disaster said yesterday." There would not be telltale signs if it
was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to collapse.

"In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an
inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m. "

What is clear is at least eight minutes before WTC 1 collapsed, the structure of the building was
failing. This simply would not be happening if explosives caused the collapse because explosives
don't go off in slow motion for eight minutes. Obviously, the way an actual controlled explosion
happens is the explosives all go off in a matter of seconds. There simply would not be warning signs
that the buildings were about to be demolished by explosives, it would of course just suddenly
happen. But that is not what happened, the buildings did not suddenly collapse without any
indications that they would. Instead, the fires were compromising the structural integrity of the buildings
and as the buildings' support structures failed, the exterior started to buckle and this bucking
was evident to observers such as the police helicopters circling the towers. "The NYPD aviation
unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings," lead investigator
Shyam Sunder said
at a presentation in midtown. " They could see that the exterior steel beams of the buildings
were bowing. "Engineers believe the bowing of the exterior steel beams near the flame-engulfed floors
was the critical "triggering point" because that's the direction each tower tilted as it came
crashing down."

Other key findings include:

Even though the jet fuel on the planes burned off in the first few minutes after impact, there
was enough office furniture to sustain intense fires for at least an hour.



The original builders of the twin towers and those who later renovated the structures did not
have a clear technical standard for deciding on how much insulation to use around the structural
beams, many of which gave way in the intense heat.

See full article below. For Info on the collapse WTC 7, see Facts about 9/11.

We have an unacceptable risk to our nation because of specific foreign policies.

People who promote these erroneous 9/11 theories undermine efforts to get the focus on stopping
these foreign policies. We must take a serious look at the motives for the 9/11 attacks and call for
a full review of the specific foreign policies that motivate terrorists to attack us. I see a lot
of people are spreading this "controlled demolition" theory, I also notice they don't talk about
ending the foreign policies. Please donate to help Representative Press get the facts out to the
people.

False theories like "9/11 was a controlled demolition" or "9/11 was an inside job" or "The WTC
collapsed because of explosives" really f*** up efforts to stop the specific foreign policies that
put our nation at risk. These false theories undermine serious efforts to get foreign polcies
addressed, for example, U.S. support for Israel.
I suspect more than a few people pushing these false theories are very happy to misdirrect the
American public away from questioning specific foreign policies like U.S. support for Israel. (It
is the main policy of the foreign policies that motivated the 9/11 terrorists. The plotter of 9/11,
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, actaully went to school here in the U.S. He was angry at the U.S. not
because of his experiences here as a student, but rather because of the U.S. foreign policy favoring
Israel.) I am working hard to set the record straight and end the risk of terrorism. Please Click
on the Representative Press Logo and Donate to help me get the truth out. Those conspiracy websites
are clearly well funded and like I have said, they misdirrect the American public away from
questioning specific foreign polices like U.S. support for Israel. I need some money to work with to
undo the damage these websites are doing and get the facts to the people. 9/11 was not a game, these
conspiracy
theories undermine efforts to get the government to change the unjust Middle East policies: Full
article below: 9/11 cops saw collapse coming New York Daily News - June 19th, 2004 By PAUL
H.B. SHIN
The World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes
before each crumbled to the ground, scientists probing the Sept. 11, 2001, disaster said yesterday.

In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an
inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m.

But emergency responders inside the tower never got the order to evacuate due to faulty
communications equipment and garbled lines of command, investigators with the National Institute of
Standards and Technology said in its second interim report on the collapse's causes.

"The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the
buildings," lead investigator Shyam Sunder said at a presentation in midtown.

"[If] that information would have been communicated faster to all of the emergency responders in
the buildings, it could have helped save lives," he said.

Engineers believe the bowing of the exterior steel beams near the flame-engulfed floors was the
critical "triggering point" because that's the direction each tower tilted as it came crashing down.

The findings that emergency responders could have been warned about the imminent collapse angered
some victims' relatives, who were already fuming about the 9/11 Commission's report on Thursday
that government foulups contributed to the chaos on that fateful day.

"Eight to 10 minutes could have meant life for so many people," said Sally Regenhard, whose son,
Christian, was a probationary firefighter who died in the collapse.

"We had no integrated command structure, so that the Police Department was unable to communicate
the fact that the building was going to collapse to the Fire Department," she said. "It's a knife
in the heart of the relatives of the victims."

Other key findings include:

Even though the jet fuel on the planes burned off in the first few minutes after impact, there
was enough office furniture to sustain intense fires for at least an hour.


If the twin towers had been fully occupied - 25,000 people - it would have taken four hours to
evacuate the buildings.


The original builders of the twin towers and those who later renovated the structures did not
have a clear technical standard for deciding on how much insulation to use around the structural
beams, many of which gave way in the intense heat.
- http://www.skyscrapersafety.org/html/article_20040619.html

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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:15:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"

MUST I REITTERATE?! This is NOT a debate group. It is a group for those of us who are SMART enough to know what is what! If someone wants to DEBATE and waste time with such NONSENSE they can do so off list with anyone who is interested in such. This is a group for ACTION!

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote: believe me brother, i CANNOT ban tom........no censoring remember?

it just makes me hot (as in mad) when people start parroting the official story lite.

alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK Tom,

Welcome to 911truthaction.
(attn moderators: Please don't ban Tom)

I appreciate your perspective and I understand & agree with your concern about US MiddleEast policy inspiring terrorism.

But if 9/11 wasn't an inside job, please answer these questions for me:

- What about the 47 core columns in both towers that are ignored by the official story? The official pancake theory could not have happened with those core columns present.

- Yes, the vertical collapse of the towers is consistent with physics and with the building's design. But the speed of the collapses is not. How can you explain the buildings falling at or near free-fall speed?

- If WTC7's fall is so easily explained, why did the 9/11 Commission Report completely ignore it? If you were investigating a triple murder, would you ignore the 3rd victim just because he was shorter?

- If WTC7 was so heavily damaged on only one side (the side that there are apparently no pictures of) why did it fall symetrically straight down equally on all sides?

- Why would they confiscate all surveillance tapes that would have shown the Pentagon crash? And why have they refused to release them?

- How do you explain the pools of molten steel that remained for over 6 weeks after the WTC collapses? (mainstream news) Office furniture did that?!? Something melted that steel. And all sides agree it couldn't have been the jet fuel. So what then?

- How could the Arab terrorists pull off these complex maneuvers with no help from the ground when by all accounts, they couldn't even fly Cessnas?

- Why were the tapes of the 9/11 air traffic controllers systematically destroyed?

- After being informed of the second tower strike, why would Bush remain for over an hour at Booker Elementary, even giving a press conference from there, thus potentially endangering the lives of hundreds of kids, if anyone actually thought the attacks were real? ( Bush's itinerary was public knowledge. Bin Laden knew where to get him. Why did Secret Service not follow Standard Operating Procedure in such an event?)

- Why has there been no official investigation into the bizarre spike in put-options of 9/11 related businesses immediately prior to 9/11?

- If Bin Laden did it, why would he initially deny any knowledge or involvement, only to later, according to the CIA's many laughably obvious fake recordings, take full responsibilty?

- If the hijackers were such devoted Muslims ready to commit suicide for Allah, why did so many witnesses, in and out of US Intel, report seeing them carousing like drunken frat boys at various bars and strip clubs prior to 9/11? (Mohammad Atta, in particular, was a notorious party boy)

- Why have many FBI and CIA whistle-blowers reported that their pre- 9/11 investigations of the 19 alleged hijackers were deliberately thwarted by higher-ups at every turn?

- Why, as reported in le Figaro (France) and the UK Guardian, and never challenged or retracted, were CIA agents meeting with Bin Laden in a Dubai Hospital in the summer of 2001? (he was already "wanted" for the Cole and US Embassy bombings.)

I could go on and on, but I'll stop here for now and see how you do on these.

Tom <Tom@RepresentativePress.org> wrote:
Indications of the Imminent Collapse
of the World Trade Center Buildings Disprove
the "Controlled Explosions Theory"
Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition" "The World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground, scientists probing the Sept. 11, 2001, disaster said yesterday." There would not be telltale signs if it was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to collapse.

"In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m. "

What is clear is at least eight minutes before WTC 1 collapsed, the structure of the building was failing. This simply would not be happening if explosives caused the collapse because explosives don't go off in slow motion for eight minutes. Obviously, the way an actual controlled explosion happens is the explosives all go off in a matter of seconds. There simply would not be warning signs that the buildings were about to be demolished by explosives, it would of course just suddenly happen. But that is not what happened, the buildings did not suddenly collapse without any indications that they would. Instead, the fires were compromising the structural integrity of the buildings and as the buildings' support structures failed, the exterior started to buckle and this bucking was evident to observers such as the police helicopters circling the towers. "The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings," lead investigator Shyam Sunder said
at a presentation in midtown. " They could see that the exterior steel beams of the buildings were bowing. "Engineers believe the bowing of the exterior steel beams near the flame-engulfed floors was the critical "triggering point" because that's the direction each tower tilted as it came crashing down."

Other key findings include:

Even though the jet fuel on the planes burned off in the first few minutes after impact, there was enough office furniture to sustain intense fires for at least an hour.



The original builders of the twin towers and those who later renovated the structures did not have a clear technical standard for deciding on how much insulation to use around the structural beams, many of which gave way in the intense heat.

See full article below. For Info on the collapse WTC 7, see Facts about 9/11.

We have an unacceptable risk to our nation because of specific foreign policies.

People who promote these erroneous 9/11 theories undermine efforts to get the focus on stopping these foreign policies. We must take a serious look at the motives for the 9/11 attacks and call for a full review of the specific foreign policies that motivate terrorists to attack us. I see a lot of people are spreading this "controlled demolition" theory, I also notice they don't talk about ending the foreign policies. Please donate to help Representative Press get the facts out to the people.

False theories like "9/11 was a controlled demolition" or "9/11 was an inside job" or "The WTC collapsed because of explosives" really f*** up efforts to stop the specific foreign policies that put our nation at risk. These false theories undermine serious efforts to get foreign polcies addressed, for example, U.S. support for Israel.
I suspect more than a few people pushing these false theories are very happy to misdirrect the American public away from questioning specific foreign policies like U.S. support for Israel. (It is the main policy of the foreign policies that motivated the 9/11 terrorists. The plotter of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, actaully went to school here in the U.S. He was angry at the U.S. not because of his experiences here as a student, but rather because of the U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel.) I am working hard to set the record straight and end the risk of terrorism. Please Click on the Representative Press Logo and Donate to help me get the truth out. Those conspiracy websites are clearly well funded and like I have said, they misdirrect the American public away from questioning specific foreign polices like U.S. support for Israel. I need some money to work with to undo the damage these websites are doing and get the facts to the people. 9/11 was not a game, these conspiracy
theories undermine efforts to get the government to change the unjust Middle East policies: Full article below: 9/11 cops saw collapse coming New York Daily News - June 19th, 2004 By PAUL H.B. SHIN
The World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground, scientists probing the Sept. 11, 2001, disaster said yesterday.

In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m.

But emergency responders inside the tower never got the order to evacuate due to faulty communications equipment and garbled lines of command, investigators with the National Institute of Standards and Technology said in its second interim report on the collapse's causes.

"The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings," lead investigator Shyam Sunder said at a presentation in midtown.

"[If] that information would have been communicated faster to all of the emergency responders in the buildings, it could have helped save lives," he said.

Engineers believe the bowing of the exterior steel beams near the flame-engulfed floors was the critical "triggering point" because that's the direction each tower tilted as it came crashing down.

The findings that emergency responders could have been warned about the imminent collapse angered some victims' relatives, who were already fuming about the 9/11 Commission's report on Thursday that government foulups contributed to the chaos on that fateful day.

"Eight to 10 minutes could have meant life for so many people," said Sally Regenhard, whose son, Christian, was a probationary firefighter who died in the collapse.

"We had no integrated command structure, so that the Police Department was unable to communicate the fact that the building was going to collapse to the Fire Department," she said. "It's a knife in the heart of the relatives of the victims."

Other key findings include:

Even though the jet fuel on the planes burned off in the first few minutes after impact, there was enough office furniture to sustain intense fires for at least an hour.


If the twin towers had been fully occupied - 25,000 people - it would have taken four hours to evacuate the buildings.


The original builders of the twin towers and those who later renovated the structures did not have a clear technical standard for deciding on how much insulation to use around the structural beams, many of which gave way in the intense heat.
- http://www.skyscrapersafety.org/html/article_20040619.html


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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:18:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"

MUST I REITTERATE?! This is NOT a debate group. It is a group for those of us who are SMART enough to know what is what! If someone wants to DEBATE and waste time with such NONSENSE they can do so off list with anyone who is interested in such. This is a group for ACTION!

Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote: believe me brother, i CANNOT ban tom........no censoring remember?

it just makes me hot (as in mad) when people start parroting the official story lite.

alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK Tom,

Welcome to 911truthaction.
(attn moderators: Please don't ban Tom)

I appreciate your perspective and I understand & agree with your concern about US MiddleEast policy inspiring terrorism.

But if 9/11 wasn't an inside job, please answer these questions for me:

- What about the 47 core columns in both towers that are ignored by the official story? The official pancake theory could not have happened with those core columns present.

- Yes, the vertical collapse of the towers is consistent with physics and with the building's design. But the speed of the collapses is not. How can you explain the buildings falling at or near free-fall speed?

- If WTC7's fall is so easily explained, why did the 9/11 Commission Report completely ignore it? If you were investigating a triple murder, would you ignore the 3rd victim just because he was shorter?

- If WTC7 was so heavily damaged on only one side (the side that there are apparently no pictures of) why did it fall symetrically straight down equally on all sides?

- Why would they confiscate all surveillance tapes that would have shown the Pentagon crash? And why have they refused to release them?

- How do you explain the pools of molten steel that remained for over 6 weeks after the WTC collapses? (mainstream news) Office furniture did that?!? Something melted that steel. And all sides agree it couldn't have been the jet fuel. So what then?

- How could the Arab terrorists pull off these complex maneuvers with no help from the ground when by all accounts, they couldn't even fly Cessnas?

- Why were the tapes of the 9/11 air traffic controllers systematically destroyed?

- After being informed of the second tower strike, why would Bush remain for over an hour at Booker Elementary, even giving a press conference from there, thus potentially endangering the lives of hundreds of kids, if anyone actually thought the attacks were real? ( Bush's itinerary was public knowledge. Bin Laden knew where to get him. Why did Secret Service not follow Standard Operating Procedure in such an event?)

- Why has there been no official investigation into the bizarre spike in put-options of 9/11 related businesses immediately prior to 9/11?

- If Bin Laden did it, why would he initially deny any knowledge or involvement, only to later, according to the CIA's many laughably obvious fake recordings, take full responsibilty?

- If the hijackers were such devoted Muslims ready to commit suicide for Allah, why did so many witnesses, in and out of US Intel, report seeing them carousing like drunken frat boys at various bars and strip clubs prior to 9/11? (Mohammad Atta, in particular, was a notorious party boy)

- Why have many FBI and CIA whistle-blowers reported that their pre- 9/11 investigations of the 19 alleged hijackers were deliberately thwarted by higher-ups at every turn?

- Why, as reported in le Figaro (France) and the UK Guardian, and never challenged or retracted, were CIA agents meeting with Bin Laden in a Dubai Hospital in the summer of 2001? (he was already "wanted" for the Cole and US Embassy bombings.)

I could go on and on, but I'll stop here for now and see how you do on these.

Tom <Tom@RepresentativePress.org> wrote:
Indications of the Imminent Collapse
of the World Trade Center Buildings Disprove
the "Controlled Explosions Theory"
Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition" "The World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground, scientists probing the Sept. 11, 2001, disaster said yesterday." There would not be telltale signs if it was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to collapse.

"In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m. "

What is clear is at least eight minutes before WTC 1 collapsed, the structure of the building was failing. This simply would not be happening if explosives caused the collapse because explosives don't go off in slow motion for eight minutes. Obviously, the way an actual controlled explosion happens is the explosives all go off in a matter of seconds. There simply would not be warning signs that the buildings were about to be demolished by explosives, it would of course just suddenly happen. But that is not what happened, the buildings did not suddenly collapse without any indications that they would. Instead, the fires were compromising the structural integrity of the buildings and as the buildings' support structures failed, the exterior started to buckle and this bucking was evident to observers such as the police helicopters circling the towers. "The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings," lead investigator Shyam Sunder said
at a presentation in midtown. " They could see that the exterior steel beams of the buildings were bowing. "Engineers believe the bowing of the exterior steel beams near the flame-engulfed floors was the critical "triggering point" because that's the direction each tower tilted as it came crashing down."

Other key findings include:

Even though the jet fuel on the planes burned off in the first few minutes after impact, there was enough office furniture to sustain intense fires for at least an hour.



The original builders of the twin towers and those who later renovated the structures did not have a clear technical standard for deciding on how much insulation to use around the structural beams, many of which gave way in the intense heat.

See full article below. For Info on the collapse WTC 7, see Facts about 9/11.

We have an unacceptable risk to our nation because of specific foreign policies.

People who promote these erroneous 9/11 theories undermine efforts to get the focus on stopping these foreign policies. We must take a serious look at the motives for the 9/11 attacks and call for a full review of the specific foreign policies that motivate terrorists to attack us. I see a lot of people are spreading this "controlled demolition" theory, I also notice they don't talk about ending the foreign policies. Please donate to help Representative Press get the facts out to the people.

False theories like "9/11 was a controlled demolition" or "9/11 was an inside job" or "The WTC collapsed because of explosives" really f*** up efforts to stop the specific foreign policies that put our nation at risk. These false theories undermine serious efforts to get foreign polcies addressed, for example, U.S. support for Israel.
I suspect more than a few people pushing these false theories are very happy to misdirrect the American public away from questioning specific foreign policies like U.S. support for Israel. (It is the main policy of the foreign policies that motivated the 9/11 terrorists. The plotter of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, actaully went to school here in the U.S. He was angry at the U.S. not because of his experiences here as a student, but rather because of the U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel.) I am working hard to set the record straight and end the risk of terrorism. Please Click on the Representative Press Logo and Donate to help me get the truth out. Those conspiracy websites are clearly well funded and like I have said, they misdirrect the American public away from questioning specific foreign polices like U.S. support for Israel. I need some money to work with to undo the damage these websites are doing and get the facts to the people. 9/11 was not a game, these conspiracy
theories undermine efforts to get the government to change the unjust Middle East policies: Full article below: 9/11 cops saw collapse coming New York Daily News - June 19th, 2004 By PAUL H.B. SHIN
The World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground, scientists probing the Sept. 11, 2001, disaster said yesterday.

In the case of the north tower, police chopper pilots reported seeing the warning signs - an inward bowing of the building facade - at least eight minutes before it collapsed at 10:29 a.m.

But emergency responders inside the tower never got the order to evacuate due to faulty communications equipment and garbled lines of command, investigators with the National Institute of Standards and Technology said in its second interim report on the collapse's causes.

"The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings," lead investigator Shyam Sunder said at a presentation in midtown.

"[If] that information would have been communicated faster to all of the emergency responders in the buildings, it could have helped save lives," he said.

Engineers believe the bowing of the exterior steel beams near the flame-engulfed floors was the critical "triggering point" because that's the direction each tower tilted as it came crashing down.

The findings that emergency responders could have been warned about the imminent collapse angered some victims' relatives, who were already fuming about the 9/11 Commission's report on Thursday that government foulups contributed to the chaos on that fateful day.

"Eight to 10 minutes could have meant life for so many people," said Sally Regenhard, whose son, Christian, was a probationary firefighter who died in the collapse.

"We had no integrated command structure, so that the Police Department was unable to communicate the fact that the building was going to collapse to the Fire Department," she said. "It's a knife in the heart of the relatives of the victims."

Other key findings include:

Even though the jet fuel on the planes burned off in the first few minutes after impact, there was enough office furniture to sustain intense fires for at least an hour.


If the twin towers had been fully occupied - 25,000 people - it would have taken four hours to evacuate the buildings.


The original builders of the twin towers and those who later renovated the structures did not have a clear technical standard for deciding on how much insulation to use around the structural beams, many of which gave way in the intense heat.
- http://www.skyscrapersafety.org/html/article_20040619.html


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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:47:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: The problem is that to many entities need & want war!

To whom it may concern:
As the news unfolds, I would like to take my �best guess� as to what is going on. I am sure that these factors are part of what we are now seeing!
1.. Peak oil is a factor�.. 2...the Sri Lanka event�. 3...fluid like Factions squaring off with each other, others changing sides, deceit etc��.4...Not to say the least Blackmail!�5... A �natural crisis� caused by an unprecedented addiction to oil�.6...Oil companies need war! The Military needs war�7...Auto companies at the present need war�8...Raytheon�needs war�9...defense contractors all of them need war�10 �Corporate owned Major media at the present needs war �11 �pharmaceutical companies making vaccines for anthrax like viruses, mind games, PSYOPs Military-Industrial Espionage need war!�12...many people from the Middle East Want War!�13...people who want less people on the earth, as long as it is others who have to die Want War!
I could go on and on but you get the idea! The problem is that to many entities need & want war!
Most all corporations are set up in a cataclysmic run the world to the end of the earth and then jump off leaving the people of this country no time to adjust to the impending crisis not even knowing that there is a crisis. If you knew the problems for what they are you might be forced to think for example that every time you go to the gas pumps that you are pumping human blood , that has been needlessly sacrificed for their corporation�s etc., that just would not be good for business! But I am 100% sure that you are desensitized thru corporate \ government mind control and realizing the fact that �human blood � is a real part of the equation! That would be a real bummer!
Think about that for awhile!
I believe that our government has suppressed high tech energy devices �HAARP� like technology that could help us all, the problem is that , this same knowledge could & may have been used by the military ours and others. Maybe in testing it, they went to far and now have the problem of explaining �HAARP�s� past hidden history, completely ruining what could have been a Godly gift to humanity, a life saving energy source! Maybe they have had an unprecedented accident in testing it�s capabilities. If it was just an accident that would be one thing but I think some knew and some didn�t know of it�s power!
This would give certain individuals more knowledge of the history that was to be written than others. Think about that for awhile!
Could it be that a form of �natural black mail� that would occur after someone did you wrong, and you knew who they were, and what they did to you, then at some point in time in which they seem to have gotten the upper hand on matters ���� forming yet another New World Order \ faction?
Is this what we see at our major ports across this country? I would like to say that this could be �Good or Bad�, depending on the Major Media as to how they promote this Historical and unprecedented ushering in of a New World Order.
Please remember it is Who�s new world order that we are talking about here. Every American will all be part of this new world order one way or another. It is bigger than all of us. It will be up to each individual as to how the out
Let�s take back control from the corporations, military, pharmaceutical industry, defense contractors, Auto industry, etc. and let�s make this historical change a Good thing not an Evil one!

Sincerely
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:11:48 -0000
From: "Tom" <Tom@RepresentativePress.org>
Subject: Re: Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks "Controlled Demolition"

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@...>
wrote:
>
> MUST I REITTERATE?! This is NOT a debate group. It is a group for
those of us who are SMART enough to know what is what! If someone wants
to DEBATE and waste time with such NONSENSE they can do so off list with
anyone who is interested in such. This is a group for ACTION!
>
What is there to debate? The 9/11 Controlled Demolition Theory has been
debunked
<http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/ExplosivesDebunked.html> .
http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/ExplosivesDebunked.html
<http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/ExplosivesDebunked.html>

This group is called "911 Truth Action" and the truth is Bush lied. Bush
Lied to the American People about 9/11 Terrorists' Motives
<http://www.representativepress.org/whylie.html>
Bush's lie hides from many Americans the fact that we were attacked by
Al-Qaeda because of specific foreign polices and not because we are
the"brightest beacon of freedom and opportunity"
http://www.representativepress.org/whylie.html
<http://www.representativepress.org/whylie.html>

We are being attacked by terrorists because of specific foreign polices
<http://www.representativepress.org/Motivesfor911.html> , the main
reason is

Mainstream Media's real bias is to serve power and shit on the American
people
<http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2004/09/mainstream-media-s-real-bias-is-to.html> : Hide the fact that we are being attacked because of
specific foreign policies
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2004/09/mainstream-media-s-real-bias-is-to.html
<http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2004/09/mainstream-media-s-real-bias-is-to.html>
Suppressing the Motives for the 9/11 Attack is Disgraceful. The 9/11
Commission confirmed that the main motive for the 9/11 attacks was U.S.
support for Israel.
Nearly all of the media suppressed that fact!
Why don't you guys go down to ground zero wiht a big sign about that?

A rare exception to reporting what the 9/11 Commision said was the prime
motive was Lexington Herald-Leader's article titled: U.S. policy on
Israel key motive
<http://www.kentucky.com/mld/heraldleader/news/nation/9222612.htm> (but
the link no longer works)
A note about this: When Terry McDermott's Jul 23, 2004 article was
published in the LA Times, it didn't have the headline "U.S. policy on
Israel key motive". Seems only the Lexington Herald-Leader dared go with
a headline that reflected the main point: the motive for the crime. The
headline in the LA Times was instead, "New Plot Details Emerge; Khalid
Shaikh Mohammed lacked the resources, so he took his plan to Bin Laden."
This is a case of burying the lede. The lede from the LA Times article
(the first paragraph) was: "Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the man who
conceived and directed the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, was motivated by
his strong disagreement with American support for Israel, according to
the final report of the Sept. 11 commission."
The man who conceived and directed the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, was
motivated by his strong disagreement with American support for Israel
<http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2005/06/man-who-conceived-and-directed-sept.html> His name is Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and his
motivation for the crime of the 9/11 attacks was his objection to the US
foreign policy of supporting Israel said the final report of the Sept.
11 Commission.

"After he was captured in Pakistan in early 2003, he told his
interrogators that although he had developed no special complaint about
America in his years here, he [ Khalid Shaikh Mohammed ] felt strongly
that U.S. support of Israel was wrong and could be corrected by
attacking the United States,"" reports Los Angeles Times writer Terry
McDermott.

Why aren't you guys going around with signs demanding that Bush stop
saying we are attacked because of our freedoms? Why not demand that the
media focus on the prime motive for the 9/11 attacks?

Many people are playing along with the lie that we are attacked because
of our freedoms. You want proof of the manipulations and deceit? George
Tenet plays the game by omitting half of the key sentence of the 1998
Fatwa. <http://www.representativepress.org/Intelligence.html>

When Tenet refers to the sentence he quotes only part of it and avoids
writting the reason why bin Laden targets American civilians and
military. Looking at the sentence we can see that Tenet has left off
the section highlighted in red below (the part that explains "in order
to ...", where it is explicietly stated WHY the "rulling to kill" is
issued in the first place. Notice Tenet has focused only on the part
highlighted here in gray: "The ruling to kill the Americans and their
allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every
Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in
order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque [in Israel] and the holy mosque [in
Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all
the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim."

Some people are working hard to get the truth out. This man confronted
the 9/11 Commission. The media suppressed this. Why the hell didn't you
9/11 truth guys make an effort to get this publicity? This should have
been the lead story when Hamilton shut him up:
Lee Hamilton insults the American people at a "9/11 Public Discourse
Project" Q&A. At the August 2, 2005 "public event," Hamilton quickly
trys to silence someone who asks why US support for Israel isn't being
addressed since it is what drove the plotter of 9/11 to attack us. See
the link: The Gorilla in the Room is US Support for Israel.
<http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2005/08/gorilla-in-room-is-us-support-for.html>

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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:49:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Bible says: "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try [test] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).

Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq
As to �God would never invade Iraq��..

No God would never tell him such a thing, However it has been reported widely on the net that he did hear God! They are now denying everything as this is what they could do! But his war buddies with micro wave most certainly can.
The Bible says: "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try [test] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).



I know I was there!

You must read this!

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| In-Depth Timeline: "The 'Voice' of Strangers" |
[NOTE 1: "Synthetic telepathy" (or as it is sometimes called "artificial telepathy") is defined here as being the human, intentional, surreptitious, production of intra-cerebral "voices", pictures, thoughts, and/or ideas by means of hypnosis, inaudible transmissions, or a combination thereof, which are experienced by an unwitting subject either directly in the mind or apparently extra-cerebrally as emanating from no known source.
One of the most current known technologies capable of producing an intra-cerebral "voice" is called "acoustic psycho-correction". It involves the transmission of specific commands via static or white noise bands into the human subconscious without upsetting other intellectual functions.
Alternately, by using an infrasound very low frequency-type transmission, the acoustic psycho-correction message can be transmitted via bone conduction. See article at http://www.heart7.net/mcf/bzapping.htm for more.]
[NOTE 2: It is not the intention of this author to disparage or undermine the belief in genuine spiritual contact. The URANTIA Book, however, warns that "a human being would do better to err in rejecting an Adjuster's 1 _expression through believing it to be a purely human experience than to blunder into exalting a reaction of the mortal mind to the sphere of divine dignity" (1208 A, 110:5:5), and that "in scrutinizing mental situations, safety lies only in the prompt recognition of each and every thought and experience for just what it actually and fundamentally is, disregarding entirely what it might have been (1199 C, 109:5:3).


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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:27:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: UNITED ARAB EMIRATES TO RUN UNITED STATES MILITARY FACILITIES ?

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES TO RUN UNITED STATES MILITARY FACILITIES ? Posted By: APHRODITE
Date: Friday, 3 March 2006, 12:52 p.m. In Response To: REGARDING DUBAI-GATE: THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE IS CLUELESS OR FULL OF LIARS (Patriotlad)
UAE buys British firm that runs nine U.S. military facilities SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM

Friday, March 3, 2006 WASHINGTON � The United Arab Emirates intends to operate U.S. military factories. The Bush administration has informed Congress of a review of the UAE acquisition of a British manufacturer of engine components for U.S. military aircraft and main battle tanks. The British firm operates nine factories, including military production facilities in Connecticut and Georgia. Officials said Dubai International Capital has acquired the London-based Doncasters Group for $1.2 billion. Doncasters produces engine components and turbine blades for military platforms, and its clients include Boeing, General Electric, Honeywell and Pratt and Whitney. "It's a standard business deal by a consortium that seeks opportunities," an official said. "But it also fits in well with Dubai's plans to create an aerospace industry." http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/06/front2453798.058333333.html

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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:32:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse? by Steven E. Jones

Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
by Steven E. Jones

Department of Physics and Astronomy

Brigham Young University
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Seventeen reasons for advancing the
controlled-demolition
hypothesis while challenging the �official�
fire-caused
collapse hypothesis are delineated here. (No rebuttal

can be complete, of course, unless it addresses all
seventeen of these points.)

1. Molten Metal, Flowing and in Pools

Hydrocarbon (jet fuel) and office furniture fires DO
NOT explain
the observation of molten metal, flowing in pools,
clearly observed
in the wreckage of the WTC towers. They simply could
not burn
hot enough or long enough to cause this.

However, high explosives would provide an easy and
adequate
explanation for this observed phenomenon.

2. High Temperatures and Sulfidation in WTC 7 Steel

Sulfidation was observed in structural steel samples
from WTC 7
and one of the WTC towers, which would require
temperatures of
approx. 1000�C.

It is very rare for hydrocarbon and office furniture
fires to burn
at above a maximum of 650�C, however explosive cutter
charges
(e.g. HDX, RDX and thermate in some combination) would
easily explain
these temperatures.

3. Near-Symmetrical Collapse of WTC 7

WTC 7 collapsed rapidly and nearly-straight-down
symmetrically.

A complete and nearly-symmetrical collapse of a steel
frame
building due to random fires is unprecedented in
history,
and very unlikely.

On the other hand, a major goal of controlled
demolition using
cutter-charges/explosives is the complete and
straight-down-symmetrical
collapse of buildings, which provides a much more
adequate explanation.

The reader should review controlled-demolition
examples
at http://www.implosionworld.com/cinema.htm for
examples of
complete symmetrical collapses due to carefully
pre-positioned
explosives. (The videos of the Philips Building,
Southwark Towers,
and Schuylkill Falls Tower collapses are particularly
instructive.)

4. No Previous Steel-frame Skyscraper Collapses Due to
Fires, None

No steel-beam high-rise has EVER before 9/11/01 (or
since) completely
collapsed due to fires! However, such complete and
nearly symmetrical
collapses in tall steel-frame buildings have occurred
many times before
-- all of them due to pre-positioned explosives in a
procedure called
�implosion� or controlled demolition.

How likely is it, then, for such an occurrence in
downtown Manhattan�
three steel-frame skyscrapers completely collapsed on
the same day,
September 11, 2001, presumably without the use of
explosives?

5. Squib-timing During WTC 7 Collapse

Horizontal puffs of smoke and debris are observed
emerging from WTC-7
on upper floors, in regular sequence, just as the
building starts to
collapse.

(Remember - no plane hit WTC 7, and the office fires
were relatively
small
and in random locations. A number of steel-framed
buildings have burnt
MUCH hotter, and for MUCH longer, and none has EVER
collapsed.)

This collapse, at free-fall speed, and the observed
squibs proceeding
up the side of the building is consistent with
pre-positioned
cutter-charges
in a controlled demolition.

In addition, Larry Silverstein, the building owner,
clearly said in an
interview
that the decision was made to "pull" WTC 7.

To successfully "pull" a building (i.e. to "pull" out
the main support
beams
and perform a controlled demolition) takes weeks of
expert planning
and a careful prepositioning of the explosives in just
the right
places.

Also note, the CIA office on floor 47 of the 47 storey
WTC 7 was
conveniently evacuated BEFORE the collapse.

6. Early Drop of North Tower Antenna

Pre-positioned cutter charges would easily explain the
almost
simultaneous
failure of the 47 enormous steel core columns of this
building which
supported the antenna.

The official theories do not provide an adequate
explanation for why
the North Tower communications antenna dropped early.

7. Eyewitness Accounts of Flashes and Loud Explosions

Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were heard
and reported
by numerous observers in and near the WTC Towers.
Firemen and others
described flashes and explosions in upper floors near
where the plane
entered, and in lower floors of WTC 2 just prior to
its collapse,
far below the region where the plane had struck the
tower.

Reliable eyewitnesses at the scene also report hearing
and feeling
explosions
in the BASEMENT below their feet, BEFORE hearing the
eplosions from
the plane hitting the building far above. (This
testimony has been
widely
reported in the Spanish press, but largely ignored by
the media in the
U.S.)

These observations are not adequately explained by jet
fuel and office
furniture fires, but they are consistent with a
carefully planned
explosive demolition.

8. Ejection of Steel Beams and Debris-plumes, Towers

The horizontal ejection of steel beams for hundreds of
feet and the
pulverization of concrete to flour-like powder,
observed clearly
in the collapses of the WTC towers, provide further
evidence for
the use of explosives.

9. �Burning Questions that Need Answers�

The structural steel, which would provide evidence of
a controlled
demolition, was quickly removed, cut up and sold for
scrap.

Why was the "evidence" so quickly and efficiently
removed from
the crime scene?

Does someone have something to hide?

10. Controlled Demolition �Implosions� Require Skill

To get WTC 7 to collapse into its own footprint in
such a beautiful,
symmetrical fashion as it did, instead of toppling
over sideways,
takes a great deal of planning and skill.

In fact, this feat requires such skill that only a
handful
of demolition companies in the world will attempt it.

Why would terrorists bring the building down so
beautifully,
when bringing it down sideways could cause more
devestation?

And could anyone have done this job so quickly and
efficiently
amidst the turmoil of the events of 9/11/01?

11. Faculty at WTC Review Support Investigation

About sixty people from the faculties of Physics,
Mechanical
Engineering,
Civil Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Psychology,
Geology,
and Mathematics all saw Professor Jones evidence and
scientific
arguments
for the controlled demolition theory. (A local
university and college
were
represented - BYU and Utah Valley State College)

After 2 hours of intense debate, all present at this
seminar agreed
that his theory of controlled demolition was worthy of
further
investigation
and independent scrutiny.

12. Comments on Paper by Bazant and Zhou

The WTC towers were solidly constructed with 47 steel
core columns
and 240 perimeter steel beams. 287 steel-columns
total.

Many doubt that random fires/damage could burn hot
enough to cause them
to collapse straight down (official theory), but
explosives would
provide
an easy explanation.

13. Comments on Final NIST Report on WTC Towers

Professor Jones has read through the hundreds of pages
of the Final
NIST
report on the collapses of the WTC Towers (NIST,
2005), and he agrees
with the reasoned arguments of many people who
challenge NIST's
collapse theory, and believes NIST is simply ignoring
a lot of the
data.

However, Occam's razor suggests that the simplest
explanation
which addresses and satisfies ALL the evidence (i.e.
controlled
demolition)
is most probably correct.

14. Support from New Civil Engineering Article

An article in the journal New Civil Engineering (NCE)
lends support to
concerns about the NIST analysis of the WTC collapses.

Here we have serious concerns about the NIST WTC
collapse report
raised by structural and fire engineers, augmenting
the arguments
raised here by a physicist.

15. Analysis by Whistleblower Kevin Ryan

NIST nowhere provides a likelihood analysis for their
non-explosive
collapse model.

Kevin Ryan, the whistleblower from Underwriters
Laboratories, did his
own
brief statistical analysis regarding the NIST report.

Ryan estimates that the probability that fires and
damage (the
�official theory�)
could cause the Towers complete collapse is less than
one in a
TRILLION,
and the probability is much less still when the
complete collapse of
WTC7
is included (Ryan, 2005).

Jones strongly agrees with Kevin Ryan:

"This [�official�] story just does not add up�.
That fact should be of great concern to all
Americans�.

There is no question that the events of 9/11 are the
emotional driving force behind the War on Terror.

And the issue of the WTC collapse is at the crux of
the story of
9/11."

16. Rapid Collapses and Conservation of Momentum

Pre-planted explosives easily explain the near
free-fall speed of
collapse
of the Twin Towers and WTC 7.

The "official" "pancake" theory contradicts the law of
conservation
of momentum � one of the foundational Laws of Physics.

How does FEMA, NIST and 9-11 Commission explain this
contradiction?
They don't - they simply ignore it.

Also, amazingly, the falling Towers turn to fine dust
as the collapse
ensues.
Explosives could readily account for this.

How does NIST explain this phenomena? Quite simply,
they don't. They
simply
admit that they ignore the data to be observed during
the actual
collapses
of the towers.

However, if we seek the truth of the matter, we must
NOT ignore
this crucial data.

17. Inconsistencies in �Official� Models

The "official" FEMA theories require a series of
inconsistent
and incompatible models.

In contrast, the controlled demolition hypothesis
accounts for
all the available data about the collapse of the WTC
buildings
rather easily.

Conclusions:

* There are glaring inadequacies in the �final�
reports funded
by the US government.

* The official theory lacks repeatability in that no
actual models
or buildings (before or since 9-11-01) have been
observed to
completely
collapse due to the proposed fire-based mechanisms.

* On the other hand, the theory of pre-positioned
explosives fits all
the
observable evidence, and therefore should NOT be
dismissed, but
deserves
closer scientific scrutiny and debate.

* An international, scientific, non-politically
partisan panel should
be
appointed to consider all viable hypotheses,
including the
pre-positioned
-explosives theory.

* Questioning (preferably under oath) of officials who
approved the
rapid removal and destruction of the WTC steel beams
and columns
before they could be properly analyzed � and others
as outlined above
� should proceed in the United States.

* NIST must release the 6,899 photographs and over 300
hours of video
recordings � acquired mostly by private parties �
which it admits to
holding (NIST, 2005, p. 81).

Evidence relating to WTC 7 and its mysterious
collapse must not
be held back. In particular, photos and analyses of
the molten metal
(probably not molten steel) observed in the basements
of both Towers
and WTC7 need to be brought forth to the
international community
of scientists and engineers immediately.

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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:41:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Durr <insideinfo911@yahoo.com>
Subject: �people are so stupid that they would not even recognize the truth even if they heard it.�

To whom it may concern:
The New World Order has a motto of it�s own, it is �people are so stupid that they would not even recognize the truth even if they heard it.�
The truth will set you free, I have my own saying, �Like a magician�s magic trick, once you see it for what it is it is just a dumb trick!�
Sincerely
Scott Durr \ Manchurian!

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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:41:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Contact Media Through Congress.org

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/

This site lets you find media outlets and then post
messages. Could be useful. I'm using it to send "best
of 9/11 TRUTH" evidence found here and elsewhere.

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