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1a. 'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're born
From: Liza
1b. Re: 'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're born
From: Liza
1c. Re: 'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're born
From: iron cross
1d. American WorldView Alert: Parthonogenesis & Microwave Energy Weapons
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1a. 'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're born
Posted by: "Liza" Cassiopeia@aaahawk.com phaedra2020
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:36 pm (PDT)
WorldNetDaily: 'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're bornExcerpt:
He added that one point on which he agrees with the pro-life movement is that, "from the point of view of ethics rather than the law, there is no sharp distinction between the foetus and the newborn baby."
The statement furthers the arguments that Singer's position is just an extension of the culture of death that has developed in the world, with euthanasia legal in some locations, abortion legal in many and even charges that in some repressive societies there's an active business in harvesting healthy organs from victims in order to provide transplants for the wealthy.
Liz
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51963
Thursday, September 14, 2006
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MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're born
'Animal-rights' promoter asserts actual birth makes no difference
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Princeton's Peter Singer (Photo: The Age)
An internationally known Princeton "bioethicist" and animal-rights activist says he'd kill disabled babies if it were in the "best interests" of the family, because he sees no distinction in the child's life whether it is born or not, and the world already allows abortion.
The comments come from Peter Singer, a controversial bioethics professor, who responded to a series of questions in the UK Independent this week.
Earlier, WND reported Singer believes the next few decades will see a massive upheaval in the concept of life and rights, with only "a rump of hard-core, know-nothing religious fundamentalists" still protecting life as sacrosanct.
To the rest, it will be a commodity to be re-evaluated regularly for its worth.
His newest sermon on his beliefs came in a question-and-answer interview the Independent set up with readers.
Singer's response came to Dublin reader Karen Meade's question: "Would you kill a disabled baby?"
"Yes, if that was in the best interests of the baby and of the family as a whole. Many people find this shocking, yet they support a woman's right to have an abortion," he said.
He added that one point on which he agrees with the pro-life movement is that, "from the point of view of ethics rather than the law, there is no sharp distinction between the foetus and the newborn baby."
The statement furthers the arguments that Singer's position is just an extension of the culture of death that has developed in the world, with euthanasia legal in some locations, abortion legal in many and even charges that in some repressive societies there's an active business in harvesting healthy organs from victims in order to provide transplants for the wealthy.
"At least he's consistent," Alex Schadenberg, executive director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, told LifeSiteNews.com.
Singer holds that man is no different from other forms a life, and therefore man's life is not worth more than, for example, a cow.
He told readers he'd kill 10 cows before killing one human, but that's not because they are of less value, only that humans would mourn.
"I've written that it is much worse to kill a being who is aware of having a past and a future, and who plans for the future. Normal humans have such plans, but I don't think cows do," he said.
However, he did qualify his description with the word, "normal."
"Once again Singer is making distinctions between human beings he would consider normal and those he would consider not normal, thus he is deciding who is a person and who is not," Schadenberg told LifeSiteNews.
"Non-persons are allowed to be killed," under Singer's theology, he said.
Singer also said the focus on infanticide was not his, but those who oppose him and the media.
"It's always been a minor aspect of my work," he said.
Singer declined to answer whether he believes Steve Irwin, TV's "Crocodile Hunter," got "what he had coming," saying he never watched the television show.
Irwin died recently while filming an undersea special when he approached a stingray and was fatally stung.
But he advocated for the closure of health research centers where animals are used and said it's not at all unreasonable to ascribe human characteristics to animals.
"Anyone who ascribes rights to babies or humans with intellectual disabilities must be willing to attribute rights to beings who can't understand the concept," Singer said. "It's the moral agents, the ones who are acting, who need to understand the concept. Those to whom we attribute rights, do not need to understand these concepts."
The only moral absolute, he noted, "is that we should do what will have the best consequences for all those affected by our actions." [And just who decides what is best?]
In WND's earlier report, Singer said that the court-ordered circumstances that killed Terri Schiavo, a disabled Florida woman, in 2005 may be the turning point at which holding the position of the sanctity of life became "untenable."
She died after a court ordered, upon her husband's request, that water and food be withheld from her.
Singer's support for legalized euthanasia and his endorsement of killing the disabled for up to 28 days after birth also sparked protests against his hiring in 1999 by Princeton, a university founded by the Presbyterian denomination.
Editor's note: WorldNetDaily has been reporting on the Terri Schiavo story since 2002 � far longer than most other national news organization � and exposing the many troubling, scandalous, and possibly criminal, aspects of the case that to this day rarely surface in news reports. Read WorldNetDaily's unparalleled, in-depth coverage of the life-and-death fight over Terri Schiavo, including over 150 original stories and columns.
Special offers:
Finally, 'Terri's Story' � as told by reporter who broke it to the world
You can stop an abortion today!
Previous stories:
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1b. Re: 'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're born
Posted by: "Liza" Cassiopeia@aaahawk.com phaedra2020
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:54 pm (PDT)
WorldNetDaily: 'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're bornOops, sorry. Wrong group.
Liz
----- Original Message -----
From: Liza
To: EndTimesDiscernment@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Sounding ; Hearthside ; NYCP ; Audio ; Disciples
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: [Last_Days_Audio] 'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're born
Excerpt:
He added that one point on which he agrees with the pro-life movement is that, "from the point of view of ethics rather than the law, there is no sharp distinction between the foetus and the newborn baby."
The statement furthers the arguments that Singer's position is just an extension of the culture of death that has developed in the world, with euthanasia legal in some locations, abortion legal in many and even charges that in some repressive societies there's an active business in harvesting healthy organs from victims in order to provide transplants for the wealthy.
Liz
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51963
Thursday, September 14, 2006
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MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're born
'Animal-rights' promoter asserts actual birth makes no difference
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Princeton's Peter Singer (Photo: The Age)
An internationally known Princeton "bioethicist" and animal-rights activist says he'd kill disabled babies if it were in the "best interests" of the family, because he sees no distinction in the child's life whether it is born or not, and the world already allows abortion.
The comments come from Peter Singer, a controversial bioethics professor, who responded to a series of questions in the UK Independent this week.
Earlier, WND reported Singer believes the next few decades will see a massive upheaval in the concept of life and rights, with only "a rump of hard-core, know-nothing religious fundamentalists" still protecting life as sacrosanct.
To the rest, it will be a commodity to be re-evaluated regularly for its worth.
His newest sermon on his beliefs came in a question-and-answer interview the Independent set up with readers.
Singer's response came to Dublin reader Karen Meade's question: "Would you kill a disabled baby?"
"Yes, if that was in the best interests of the baby and of the family as a whole. Many people find this shocking, yet they support a woman's right to have an abortion," he said.
He added that one point on which he agrees with the pro-life movement is that, "from the point of view of ethics rather than the law, there is no sharp distinction between the foetus and the newborn baby."
The statement furthers the arguments that Singer's position is just an extension of the culture of death that has developed in the world, with euthanasia legal in some locations, abortion legal in many and even charges that in some repressive societies there's an active business in harvesting healthy organs from victims in order to provide transplants for the wealthy.
"At least he's consistent," Alex Schadenberg, executive director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, told LifeSiteNews.com.
Singer holds that man is no different from other forms a life, and therefore man's life is not worth more than, for example, a cow.
He told readers he'd kill 10 cows before killing one human, but that's not because they are of less value, only that humans would mourn.
"I've written that it is much worse to kill a being who is aware of having a past and a future, and who plans for the future. Normal humans have such plans, but I don't think cows do," he said.
However, he did qualify his description with the word, "normal."
"Once again Singer is making distinctions between human beings he would consider normal and those he would consider not normal, thus he is deciding who is a person and who is not," Schadenberg told LifeSiteNews.
"Non-persons are allowed to be killed," under Singer's theology, he said.
Singer also said the focus on infanticide was not his, but those who oppose him and the media.
"It's always been a minor aspect of my work," he said.
Singer declined to answer whether he believes Steve Irwin, TV's "Crocodile Hunter," got "what he had coming," saying he never watched the television show.
Irwin died recently while filming an undersea special when he approached a stingray and was fatally stung.
But he advocated for the closure of health research centers where animals are used and said it's not at all unreasonable to ascribe human characteristics to animals.
"Anyone who ascribes rights to babies or humans with intellectual disabilities must be willing to attribute rights to beings who can't understand the concept," Singer said. "It's the moral agents, the ones who are acting, who need to understand the concept. Those to whom we attribute rights, do not need to understand these concepts."
The only moral absolute, he noted, "is that we should do what will have the best consequences for all those affected by our actions." [And just who decides what is best?]
In WND's earlier report, Singer said that the court-ordered circumstances that killed Terri Schiavo, a disabled Florida woman, in 2005 may be the turning point at which holding the position of the sanctity of life became "untenable."
She died after a court ordered, upon her husband's request, that water and food be withheld from her.
Singer's support for legalized euthanasia and his endorsement of killing the disabled for up to 28 days after birth also sparked protests against his hiring in 1999 by Princeton, a university founded by the Presbyterian denomination.
Editor's note: WorldNetDaily has been reporting on the Terri Schiavo story since 2002 � far longer than most other national news organization � and exposing the many troubling, scandalous, and possibly criminal, aspects of the case that to this day rarely surface in news reports. Read WorldNetDaily's unparalleled, in-depth coverage of the life-and-death fight over Terri Schiavo, including over 150 original stories and columns.
Special offers:
Finally, 'Terri's Story' � as told by reporter who broke it to the world
You can stop an abortion today!
Previous stories:
Prof: Right to assisted suicide 'irresistible'
Infanticide promoter: Bush morally stunted
Pro-infanticide prof awarded ethics prize
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1c. Re: 'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're born
Posted by: "iron cross" iron_cross66106@yahoo.com iron_cross66106
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:02 pm (PDT)
This is a prime example of the kind of world in which we live in today.
I cannot even comprehend how any human can look at a little baby, and say it's ok to kill it.
To me this is a fine example of how we are living in the last day's, Christ will return in my lifetime, and in yours.
Are you ready?
Liza <Cassiopeia@aaahawk.com> wrote:
Oops, sorry. Wrong group.
Liz
----- Original Message ----- From: Liza
To: EndTimesDiscernment@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Sounding ; Hearthside ; NYCP ; Audio ; Disciples
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: [Last_Days_Audio] 'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're born
Excerpt:
He added that one point on which he agrees with the pro-life movement is that, "from the point of view of ethics rather than the law, there is no sharp distinction between the foetus and the newborn baby."
The statement furthers the arguments that Singer's position is just an extension of the culture of death that has developed in the world, with euthanasia legal in some locations, abortion legal in many and even charges that in some repressive societies there's an active business in harvesting healthy organs from victims in order to provide transplants for the wealthy.
Liz
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51963
Thursday, September 14, 2006
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MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
'Bioethicist': OK to kill babies after they're born
'Animal-rights' promoter asserts actual birth makes no difference
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Princeton's Peter Singer (Photo: The Age) An internationally known Princeton "bioethicist" and animal-rights activist says he'd kill disabled babies if it were in the "best interests" of the family, because he sees no distinction in the child's life whether it is born or not, and the world already allows abortion. The comments come from Peter Singer, a controversial bioethics professor, who responded to a series of questions in the UK Independent this week. Earlier, WND reported Singer believes the next few decades will see a massive upheaval in the concept of life and rights, with only "a rump of hard-core, know-nothing religious fundamentalists" still protecting life as sacrosanct. To the rest, it will be a commodity to be re-evaluated regularly for its worth. His newest sermon on his beliefs came in a question-and-answer interview the Independent set up with readers. Singer's response came to Dublin reader Karen Meade's question: "Would you kill a disabled
baby?" "Yes, if that was in the best interests of the baby and of the family as a whole. Many people find this shocking, yet they support a woman's right to have an abortion," he said. He added that one point on which he agrees with the pro-life movement is that, "from the point of view of ethics rather than the law, there is no sharp distinction between the foetus and the newborn baby." The statement furthers the arguments that Singer's position is just an extension of the culture of death that has developed in the world, with euthanasia legal in some locations, abortion legal in many and even charges that in some repressive societies there's an active business in harvesting healthy organs from victims in order to provide transplants for the wealthy. "At least he's consistent," Alex Schadenberg, executive director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, told LifeSiteNews.com. Singer holds that man is no different from other forms a life, and therefore man's life
is not worth more than, for example, a cow. He told readers he'd kill 10 cows before killing one human, but that's not because they are of less value, only that humans would mourn. "I've written that it is much worse to kill a being who is aware of having a past and a future, and who plans for the future. Normal humans have such plans, but I don't think cows do," he said. However, he did qualify his description with the word, "normal." "Once again Singer is making distinctions between human beings he would consider normal and those he would consider not normal, thus he is deciding who is a person and who is not," Schadenberg told LifeSiteNews. "Non-persons are allowed to be killed," under Singer's theology, he said. Singer also said the focus on infanticide was not his, but those who oppose him and the media. "It's always been a minor aspect of my work," he said. Singer declined to answer whether he believes Steve Irwin, TV's "Crocodile Hunter," got "what
he had coming," saying he never watched the television show. Irwin died recently while filming an undersea special when he approached a stingray and was fatally stung. But he advocated for the closure of health research centers where animals are used and said it's not at all unreasonable to ascribe human characteristics to animals. "Anyone who ascribes rights to babies or humans with intellectual disabilities must be willing to attribute rights to beings who can't understand the concept," Singer said. "It's the moral agents, the ones who are acting, who need to understand the concept. Those to whom we attribute rights, do not need to understand these concepts." The only moral absolute, he noted, "is that we should do what will have the best consequences for all those affected by our actions." [And just who decides what is best?] In WND's earlier report, Singer said that the court-ordered circumstances that killed Terri Schiavo, a disabled Florida woman, in 2005
may be the turning point at which holding the position of the sanctity of life became "untenable." She died after a court ordered, upon her husband's request, that water and food be withheld from her. Singer's support for legalized euthanasia and his endorsement of killing the disabled for up to 28 days after birth also sparked protests against his hiring in 1999 by Princeton, a university founded by the Presbyterian denomination. Editor's note: WorldNetDaily has been reporting on the Terri Schiavo story since 2002 � far longer than most other national news organization � and exposing the many troubling, scandalous, and possibly criminal, aspects of the case that to this day rarely surface in news reports. Read WorldNetDaily's unparalleled, in-depth coverage of the life-and-death fight over Terri Schiavo, including over 150 original stories and columns. Special offers: Finally, 'Terri's Story' � as told by reporter who broke it to the world You can stop an
abortion today! Previous stories: Prof: Right to assisted suicide 'irresistible' Infanticide promoter: Bush morally stunted Pro-infanticide prof awarded ethics prize
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Bloglines - Very Interesting (Did Bush Just Admit Bombs in WTC on 9/11?)
http://blondesense.blogspot.com/2006/09/very-interesting.html
Very Interesting
Did anyone notice this part of bush's press conference on Friday?
"The information that the Central Intelligence Agency has obtained by questioning men like Khalid Sheik Mohammed has provided valuable information and has helped disrupt terrorist plots, including strikes within the United States.For example, Khalid Sheik Mohammed described the design of plane attacks on building inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people.He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."Explosives in buildings that were to be or were attacked by planes? Does anyone remember the documentary that shows many firemen saying that they heard bombs and explosions in the towers that morning before they collapsed?
Bush unravels at press conference
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Fwd: [911_truth_DFW] The Fake bin Laden Video Tape
From: Nashid Abdul-Khaaliq
To: aplacefortruth
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: [APFT] The Fake bin Laden Video Tape
The Fake bin Laden Video Tape
YOU ARE LOOKING AT A US GOVERNMENT LIE
A videotape purportedly showing Osama bin Laden confessing to the 9/11 attacks was made public on December 13, 2001:
The tape bore a label indicating it was made on November 9. Administration officials wouldn't reveal exactly how or when they got it, except to say it was found in a house in Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in. [Online NewsHour]
The videotape was supposedly physically located.
The size of a standard VHS videotape is 7.5 inches wide by 4.2 inches deep by 1 inch high - if you look in a video cabinet you'll see they're not very big. The satellite photograph on the right shows Jalalabad - it is very big and it contains a lot of buildings (not all single storey).
Don't you find it somewhat fortuitous that a very small video tape of Osama confessing to the 9/11 attacks was found in this very big city? Were squads of video watchers sent in to view every tape found just in case one showed Osama confessing?
Here's what was said of the "lucky find": Satellite photo of Jalalabad.
Population ~150,000
Click for full sized image
"For those who see this tape, they'll realise that not only is he guilty of incredible murder, he has no conscience and no soul, that he represents the worst of civilisation, " said President George W Bush.
US Senator Ron Wyden, who has also seen the tape, says he hopes it will remove suspicions in countries such as Pakistan that the 11 September attacks were an Israeli plot aimed at drawing the US into a war with Islamic countries. [BBC News]
The video was very effective in diverting media attention away from the deportation of five Israelis who danced as the twin towers burned - "Osama" certainly picks his moments to appear.
Details of the videotape - includes full video and transcript.
A German TV show found that the White House's translation of the video was inaccurate and "manipulative" . Bin Laden even praised two live 'hijackers' - Wail M. Alshehri and Salem Alhazmi. Why didn't he know the names of hijackers he personally chose?
The quality of the video was very poor and the authenticity of the tape was questioned. This annoyed President Bush:
"It is preposterous for anybody to think that this tape is doctored," he said during a brief photo opportunity with the prime minister of Thailand. "That's just a feeble excuse to provide weak support for an incredibly evil man." [CNN]
To be perfectly honest it is preposterous to suggest this videotape could be authentic, but lets have a look at it anyway. Here's 5 Osamas - which is the odd one out?
Even Mr Magoo would have to say that Osama 'E' stands out like a sore thumb, and this is the man confessing on the "lucky find" tape. Between the nose and the cheeks it is clear that this man is NOT Osama.
In the video Osama 'E' appears to write notes with his right hand, yet the FBI's description of Osama indicates he is left-handed. Osama 'E' wears a ring on his right hand which does not appear on other confirmed photos of Osama ( e.g. Osama 'B').
Another man is seen wearing a large gold ring in the video. Since the wearing of gold rings is forbidden by Islam it shows neither he nor Osama 'E' has any devotion to this faith.
On December 27, 2001, a second video containing the pale skinned and very real Osama 'C' was broadcast on al Jazeera.
The "Gaunt Tape," so named because bin Laden is haggard and doesn't move his left arm, is believed to have been recorded around Nov. 19, 2001. In the tape, bin Laden refers to the U.S. bombing of a mosque in Khost "several days" earlier. The U.S. bombed a mosque in Khost on Nov. 16. Bin Laden does not move his left arm and his appearance is both gaunt and pale. [MSNBC]
So, this tape was made around ten days after the "lucky find" tape was reportedly made. Are we to believe that Osama's skin, hair and beard changed color in ten days?
The broadcast of the tape caught the US government completely off-guard:
The recording was dismissed by the Bush administration ... as sick propaganda possibly designed to mask the fact the al-Qa'eda leader was already dead. "He could have made the video and then ordered that it be released in the event of his death," said one White House aide. [Telegraph]
This was a very telling response.
Also, his comments caused quite a stir because because they contradicted the "confession" video:
American officials argued that bin Laden's frequent references to US support for Israel were a bogus justification for his terrorism because in the "dinner party" tape of a private conversation there was no mention of the Middle East. [Telegraph]
This is very odd indeed because in bin Laden's September 28, 2001 denial of involvement in the 9/11 attacks he had plenty to say about the US and Israel:
This system is totally in control of the American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word. [Public Action]
And his views were the same in 1998:
"We say to the Americans as people and to American mothers, if they cherish their lives and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an American patriotic government that caters to their interests, not the interests of the Jews." [American Free Press]
Not only do the real Osama and the "lucky find" Osama look totally different, they also write with different hands and have different faiths and priorities.
It does not get any more obvious than this.
There is clearly good reason to doubt the November 9 tape. There is excessive noise on the audio track, making it impossible to really hear what is being said. Given that the tape was recorded in an area supposedly devoid of audio urban signature, there should have been little ambient noise, yet the speech is masked with a great deal of noise.
But there are very good reasons to suspect that the tape is not what the US Government claims it to be. In the tape, Osama supposedly states that he knew of the attack on the WTC 5 days in advance, yet we know from the preparations inside the United States that the plan had been in existence for much longer than that. The records of those flight schools where the hijackers supposedly trained have been confiscated under the watchful eye of Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida and brother to the President. Will the Bush administration now claim that the hijackers learned to fly a passenger jet in just 5 days?
Likewise, The translation of the Osama tape has him stating that the hijackers did not know they were about to die, yet letters the FBI claim to have found written by the hijackers indicate the exact opposite.
Finally, this was not the first video tape claiming to show Osama confessing, and claims made in the earlier "confession" tape, including a claim that Osama had nukes, were created by the translator, not actually stated by Osama.
This never-to-be- seen video also appeared right on cue:
Emergency powers to imprison suspected international terrorists indefinitely using special closed courts will be announced this week. The measure, which will require exemption from human rights legislation, will be used to round up about 20 suspects hiding in Britain beyond the reach of existing laws. [Telegraph 11/11/2001]
Even hard line secular Pakistanis were unconvinced by the released bin Laden video tape. Iqbal Haider, a former senator from the party of ousted prime minister Benazir Bhutto, said he found it hard to believe that bin Laden would allow himself to be filmed confessing to the crime. "It is hard to believe that a man who masterminds the September attacks with such secrecy and finesse could be that stupid and imprudent," he said. "I hate Osama and the Taliban because they inflicted incalculable damage on Muslims ... but it is hard to digest that he can be such a fool."
When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden's Most Wanted web page, [Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI] said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11." ... The Muckraker Report attempted to secure a reference to the U.S. government authenticating the Bin Laden "confession video", to no avail. However, it is conclusive that the Bush Administration and U.S. Congress, along with the dead stream media, played the video as if it was authentic. So why doesn't the FBI view the "confession video" as hard evidence? [Muckraker Report]
You are being lied to by the US Government. They are using deception to trick you into surrendering your freedoms, money, and the lives of your children for a phony "War On Terror".
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[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1482
There are 21 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. 9/11 5 Years Later...In Tampa Bay
From: Scott Peden
2a. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
From: JP Liggett
2b. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
From: Naveed
2c. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
From: Jolly Roger
2d. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
From: Jolly Roger
2e. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
From: Jolly Roger
2f. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
From: Jolly Roger
2g. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
From: Jolly Roger
3a. Re: 3m. Re: enuff ,,,,,,,Thermate or Methane/gypsum? DAMMMM
From: Jacki Rankin Blue
3b. Re: 3m. Re: enuff ,,,,,,,Thermate or Methane/gypsum? DAMMMM
From: Scott Peden
4. Senator Byrd, needs your support to keep this ad on the air - Watch
From: Quechick Barnyard
5. FW: High-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens
From: APFN
6. URGENT-Can "CAPTN" MAY BE TRUSTED??-NO!! and WHY!!!
From: Tim White
7. Fw: [L&J] Fw: Who murdered 24 Canadians on 911?
From: Pay_the_Piper
8. Re: Fw: Some '9/11 Truth' Errors De-Bunked
From: Naveed
9. The Five Dancing Jews
From: Pay_the_Piper
10. Re: THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE
From: Kevin Lee Hammond
11. [Bush_Be_Gone] The unfinished story of Lucky Larry.
From: Scott Peden
12. Fwd: [ParanoidTimes] Alex Jones' Ground Zero Report and 9/11 news
From: Kevin Lee Hammond
13. cops
From: Jolly Roger
14. Wake Up and Smell the Cordite (USS Cole Caper)
From: shaman_nation
Messages
________________________________________________________________________
1. 9/11 5 Years Later...In Tampa Bay
Posted by: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com scotpeden
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:38 pm (PDT)
9/11 5 Years Later...In Tampa Bay
By: Elaine Nichols
I left my house Monday morning a little later than I wanted to, and worried
if I would make it on time for our first event of the day, the morning
service memorializing those who lost their lives so horribly on that fateful
day 5 years ago, and wondering to myself how everyone could just go on about
their daily lives as if nothing ever happened.
I arrived, with 10 minutes to spare, at the Old Historic Courthouse in
Downtown Tampa where a very small gathering of friends and media as they
awaited our guest of honor, Ray McGovern, who arrived shortly after I did.
The service was really beautiful, with Ray's inspiring and thoughtful words,
a heart stirring poem written by a friend and fellow activist, and the
singing of America the beautiful...
America, the Beautiful
By Katharine Lee Bates
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain.
America! America! God shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea.
***
O beautiful for pilgrim feet,
Whose stern impassion'd stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness.
America! America! God mend thine ev'ry flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law.
***
O beautiful for heroes prov'd
In liberating strife,
Who more than self their country loved,
And mercy more than life.
America! America! May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness,
And ev'ry gain divine.
***
O Beautiful for patriot dream
that sees beyond the years.
Thine alabaster cities gleam,
Undimmed by human tears.
America! America! God shed his grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood,
From sea to shining sea.
After the service, a very small group of us walked to the tallest buildings,
Ameritrust and BankofAmerica, to hand out 9/11Truth leaflets and DVD's. As
we walked around we were accompanied by our friendly TPD detail that were
arranged beforehand to make sure we were protected throughout downtown and
also later at the afternoon rally. I was pleasantly surprised at the
friendly nature of our police detail, and for the most part, they stayed
back and allowed us to pass out our leaflets and talk to the public without
any problems.
In past events, this has not always been the case.
My friends and I continued to be surprised at the lack of interest by many
passers by, which truly saddens me, and was just more validation of the
apathetic nature of too many citizens of this nation.
The afternoon rally near the front gate of MacDill AFB (CENTCOM), was hugely
succesful. We had the VFP, CodePink, StPeteForPeace, and 911 meet-up
Tampabay, some local and state Anti-War/Pro-911truth candidates, and even a
few stragglers join us. This is one of the busiest intersections in Tampa on
a Monday afternoon, and the response from vehicles was more positive than
negative. I could count the negative comments on one hand, and that was
after three hours of heavy traffic.
I then made my way to the library where I had organized a screening of 911
Mysteries
<http://www.911weknow.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=
10&Itemid=5> following the rally, and was pleasantly surprised to hear that
they had moved us to a bigger room, because they were bombarded with phone
calls all afternoon from people who were coming to see the movie. Needless
to say we had a really great crowd, and Ray McGovern got up to speak
following the movie, which led into a question and answer session, which we
eventually continued at a nearby BeefOBradys. What a great night!
Thanks so much to Ray, who is a not only extremely intelligent, well spoken,
funny, and down to earth, but an all around really wonderful guy, and I
can't wait for him to come and visit with us again.
Needless to say, after all of the media presence throughout the day, there
was nothing to show for it, not even a back page mention, not even in the
St.Pete Times, which usually gives us a good write up, and so the media
cover-up continues...
In Unity and Truth,
Elaine
moondancermom@gmail.com <mailto:moondancermom@gmail.com>
PS...I had the pleasure of speaking to Sophia, the maker of 911 Mysteries
today, and she is really an amazing woman. I want all of you to know that
this woman maxed out her credit cards, and mortgaged her home to make this
movie, so please, please, please, help her recoup her money by purchasing
the movie.
There are two more parts of the movie that need to be made, and she cannot
continue her work without funding.
This movie is the MOST powerful 911Truth tool yet, and she needs our help to
finish it!!
http://www.911weknow.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=1
0&Itemid=5
<http://www.911weknow.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=
10&Itemid=5>
--
Illegitimus non carborundum est
"If the people lead, then eventually the leaders will follow." ~ Thomas
Jefferson
Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to
make you commit atrocities.
~Voltaire
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes
me to tremble for the safety of my country... Corporations have been
enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money
power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the
prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and
the Republic is destroyed."
~ Abraham Lincoln - Nov 21, 1864
There is no difference between the two parties. They are both Globalists,
with Big Business interests, not American interests. We need Statesmen who
look to the future, not Politicians who look to the hand that feeds them.
~ Donna Voetee
http://www.iahf.com <http://www.iahf.com>
http://www.st911.org <http://www.st911.org>
http://www.apfn.org <http://www.apfn.org>
http://www.911weknow.com <http://www.911weknow.com>
http://911blogger.com <http://911blogger.com>
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________________________________________________________________________
2a. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
Posted by: "JP Liggett" JP@JPLiggett.com jpliggett
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:45 pm (PDT)
I met someone at cooper union, who spoke about how he feels LC is a limited
hangout. he could not put his finger on what specific items he felt that
LC is steering people wrong with. He appeared sincere.. He felt that the
makers of LC were being led down some path, which may not be in the best
interests of the movement.
The movie has some excellent evidence, but I agree that it does not talk
about some non-bush actors. Silverstein is in the movie, but it does not
bring up his connections with netanyhu etc.
I met another man outside, who appeared to be associated in some way with
the producers of LC. The LC crew were giving him plenty of props.
He asked me where I thought the 911 movement is heading.
I told him I believed that some people were interested in those 3 letter
agencies that ran the 911 event, and cover it up to this day. That those
agencies and personnel are collectively complicit and they need to resign
now, or be arrested and sent to guantanemo for 4 years before they get a
lawyer. Then my gut told me this guy could be a spook, so I left.
Over the weekend, there were others taking video of movement folks, making
sure to get peoples faces. One guy tried to shoot me, and I kept moving
behind obstructions. I could see he was trying to get my image in a
discreet manner, but I was making him chase me.
bottom line, 9/11 movements are under attack now. Independent actions as
we've been successful with, are making the perps nervous. The 911 TV shows
had all the correspondents 4 or 5 floors up, so they wouldn't be subjected
to the truth army.
Kevin Hammond
<sir_oglaigh@yaho
o.com> To
Sent by: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
911TruthAction@ya cc
hoogroups.com
Subject
Re: [911TruthAction] Loose Change
09/13/2006 06:25 Creators on CNN
PM
Please respond to
911TruthAction@ya
hoogroups.com
Now dont get me wrong, I wont say that loose change aint a bit if a
limited hangout, But it does open the door for a wider investigation. But
huffschmids first release really did'nt do that much better except that it
covered a little on ok city. One of the only videos that I have actually
seen name names that are directly linked in the money trail is Don Paul and
Jim Hoffmans 9/11 Guilt. Watch it.
Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
I,d have to disagree with ya on Jones not naming names and fear mongering.
I have on numerous occassions seen/heard him name rothschilds and others.
And as I ahve said before, The zionists are only one part of the New
World Order. One aspect, a tool, a cog in their machine. But ww will
probably have this debate till the cows come home and I aint got no
stinkin COWS! LMAO! I am in disagreement with you on the nwo stiuff too.
And you left a few non yiddish/jewish names out like Morgans rockefellers
and such. All that has to be done is to name the ones that have actually
profitted form all of this madness and there will be the actual case.
And far as I am concerned Smith, Bollyn, and Huffschmid are not telling
the complete story. They are leaving out vital information. Contrary to
what you espouse my friend the nwo is NOT just zionism as you have stated.
But believe what you want.
Kevin
Jolly Roger <internetspies@yahoo.com> wrote:
yes, Naveed. You're exactly right. Osama's not working so Bush is
the new patsy. They might impeach him, and install a new Rothschild
puppet. If that's the result nothing will change, and all of our
work will have been in vain.
Why do you think Loose Change is being promoted? It says nothing
about the Israelis. Remember Deb Simon? She was a member of this
group (maybe she still is) and she's the one paying for Loose
Change. She's married into the billionaire zionist Simon family that
owns about 250 shopping malls in the US, and fifty more in Europe.
They (the simons) were long-time supporters of Senator Hamilton, who
is still on their payroll, and was brought out of retirement to run
the Kean - Hamilton commission that "investigated" the attacks. She
also supported the BS "pod" dis-info, as well as con-artist Karl
Schwartz in her attempts to discredit or de-rail the movement. (it
wouldn't surprise me if she were paying Nico for the no-plane
non-sense too) She failed at those attempts, so now she's pushing
Loose Change to blame everything on Bush, which will provide cover
for Israel and the Zionists.
I don't know where people are geting their info, but please remember
that most of what's available is dis-info, and there's a lot of
money being spent (literally billions) on deceiving us. The only
source I know of right now that has the cutting-edge research and
uncompromised truth is Chris Bollyn and Eric Hufschmid --- both of
whom were providing us with the best info since day one. Go to
http://iamthewiitness.com/ and download the interviews. Regardless
of what you think of Smith -- that's where the real truth is, and
that's where the real truth movement needs to go. Those three
(Hufschmid, Bollyn and Smith) are 100% dedicated activists who are
telling the whole stopry, and naming names.
Even Alex Jones is part of the deception. 14 years and he's never
gotten to the top with his work -- he blames the new World Order,
the Illuminati, etc. etc. but never brings you to the top of the
pyramid. He's another gatekkeeper. Even though he's opening many
people's eyes, what he really does is leave them in fear of these
powerful groups that no one can seem to put their hands on. That's
also why he's being promoted (he goes on TV)
The zionists did 9-11. The zionists own the media. They're not going
to turn themselves in. It's a small network of very rich people and
they can be stopped, but they won't be if everyone is chasing the
"illuminati" or the "globalists." They have names -- Rothschild,
Schiff, Warburg, Koen, Goldman, Simon, etc. etc. Learn them and use
them.
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
you watch, the media is already pinning 9/11 on bush, nothing
about mossad, nothing about global government/new world odor.
all bush's fault, and no one else's. This is bigger than bush!
This is about preserving/protecting America from the
globalist bastards who wish to destroy it!
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and
brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the
timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
- Notebook, 1904
http://www.fightthenwo.org/
----- Original Message ----
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal.net>
To: Joe <joestokes@sbcglobal.nnet>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:29:17 PM
Subject: [911TruthAction] Loose Change Creators on CNN
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2b. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
Posted by: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com flanker12k
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:50 pm (PDT)
or the 5 dancing israelis
plz keep in mind that a few israelis doesn't imply all israelis are bad, just the ones who work for mossad
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
- Notebook, 1904
http://www.fightthenwo.org/
----- Original Message ----
From: JP Liggett <JP@JPLiggett.com>
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:42:04 PM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Loose Change Creators on CNN
I met someone at cooper union, who spoke about how he feels LC is a limited
hangout. he could not put his finger on what specific items he felt that
LC is steering people wrong with. He appeared sincere.. He felt that the
makers of LC were being led down some path, which may not be in the best
interests of the movement.
The movie has some excellent evidence, but I agree that it does not talk
about some non-bush actors. Silverstein is in the movie, but it does not
bring up his connections with netanyhu etc.
I met another man outside, who appeared to be associated in some way with
the producers of LC. The LC crew were giving him plenty of props.
He asked me where I thought the 911 movement is heading.
I told him I believed that some people were interested in those 3 letter
agencies that ran the 911 event, and cover it up to this day. That those
agencies and personnel are collectively complicit and they need to resign
now, or be arrested and sent to guantanemo for 4 years before they get a
lawyer. Then my gut told me this guy could be a spook, so I left.
Over the weekend, there were others taking video of movement folks, making
sure to get peoples faces. One guy tried to shoot me, and I kept moving
behind obstructions. I could see he was trying to get my image in a
discreet manner, but I was making him chase me.
bottom line, 9/11 movements are under attack now. Independent actions as
we've been successful with, are making the perps nervous. The 911 TV shows
had all the correspondents 4 or 5 floors up, so they wouldn't be subjected
to the truth army.
Kevin Hammond
<sir_oglaigh@ yaho
o.com> To
Sent by: 911TruthAction@ yahoogroups. com
911TruthAction@ ya cc
hoogroups.com
Subject
Re: [911TruthAction] Loose Change
09/13/2006 06:25 Creators on CNN
PM
Please respond to
911TruthAction@ ya
hoogroups.com
Now dont get me wrong, I wont say that loose change aint a bit if a
limited hangout, But it does open the door for a wider investigation. But
huffschmids first release really did'nt do that much better except that it
covered a little on ok city. One of the only videos that I have actually
seen name names that are directly linked in the money trail is Don Paul and
Jim Hoffmans 9/11 Guilt. Watch it.
Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
I,d have to disagree with ya on Jones not naming names and fear mongering.
I have on numerous occassions seen/heard him name rothschilds and others.
And as I ahve said before, The zionists are only one part of the New
World Order. One aspect, a tool, a cog in their machine. But ww will
probably have this debate till the cows come home and I aint got no
stinkin COWS! LMAO! I am in disagreement with you on the nwo stiuff too.
And you left a few non yiddish/jewish names out like Morgans rockefellers
and such. All that has to be done is to name the ones that have actually
profitted form all of this madness and there will be the actual case.
And far as I am concerned Smith, Bollyn, and Huffschmid are not telling
the complete story. They are leaving out vital information. Contrary to
what you espouse my friend the nwo is NOT just zionism as you have stated.
But believe what you want.
Kevin
Jolly Roger <internetspies@ yahoo.com> wrote:
yes, Naveed. You're exactly right. Osama's not working so Bush is
the new patsy. They might impeach him, and install a new Rothschild
puppet. If that's the result nothing will change, and all of our
work will have been in vain.
Why do you think Loose Change is being promoted? It says nothing
about the Israelis. Remember Deb Simon? She was a member of this
group (maybe she still is) and she's the one paying for Loose
Change. She's married into the billionaire zionist Simon family that
owns about 250 shopping malls in the US, and fifty more in Europe.
They (the simons) were long-time supporters of Senator Hamilton, who
is still on their payroll, and was brought out of retirement to run
the Kean - Hamilton commission that "investigated" the attacks. She
also supported the BS "pod" dis-info, as well as con-artist Karl
Schwartz in her attempts to discredit or de-rail the movement. (it
wouldn't surprise me if she were paying Nico for the no-plane
non-sense too) She failed at those attempts, so now she's pushing
Loose Change to blame everything on Bush, which will provide cover
for Israel and the Zionists.
I don't know where people are geting their info, but please remember
that most of what's available is dis-info, and there's a lot of
money being spent (literally billions) on deceiving us. The only
source I know of right now that has the cutting-edge research and
uncompromised truth is Chris Bollyn and Eric Hufschmid --- both of
whom were providing us with the best info since day one. Go to
http://iamthewiitne ss.com/ and download the interviews. Regardless
of what you think of Smith -- that's where the real truth is, and
that's where the real truth movement needs to go. Those three
(Hufschmid, Bollyn and Smith) are 100% dedicated activists who are
telling the whole stopry, and naming names.
Even Alex Jones is part of the deception. 14 years and he's never
gotten to the top with his work -- he blames the new World Order,
the Illuminati, etc. etc. but never brings you to the top of the
pyramid. He's another gatekkeeper. Even though he's opening many
people's eyes, what he really does is leave them in fear of these
powerful groups that no one can seem to put their hands on. That's
also why he's being promoted (he goes on TV)
The zionists did 9-11. The zionists own the media. They're not going
to turn themselves in. It's a small network of very rich people and
they can be stopped, but they won't be if everyone is chasing the
"illuminati" or the "globalists. " They have names -- Rothschild,
Schiff, Warburg, Koen, Goldman, Simon, etc. etc. Learn them and use
them.
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo. com> wrote:
you watch, the media is already pinning 9/11 on bush, nothing
about mossad, nothing about global government/new world odor.
all bush's fault, and no one else's. This is bigger than bush!
This is about preserving/protecti ng America from the
globalist bastards who wish to destroy it!
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and
brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the
timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
- Notebook, 1904
http://www.fightthe nwo.org/
----- Original Message ----
From: Joe Stokes <joestokes@sbcglobal .net>
To: Joe <joestokes@sbcglobal .nnet>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:29:17 PM
Subject: [911TruthAction] Loose Change Creators on CNN
http://www.911podca sts.com/files/ video/Zahn_ LC.wmv
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2c. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
Posted by: "Jolly Roger" internetspies@yahoo.com internetspies
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:51 pm (PDT)
you also have to remember that hufschmid's video was also put out in 2002 or 2003 -- there wasn't as much evidence to work with back then.
Yes -- of course there are non-Jewish names involved -- but at lower levels. It all leads right up to the international bankers, who are Jewish, and people who they financed, most of whom were Jewish too.
You have to remember that the Jews were thrown out of about 80 countries throughout the last two thousand years -- in most places they were not allowed to own land, and banking was one of their only business options, so like any other profession, it was passed down from father to son. A generation ago anyone who worked with bricks, cement or tile was Italian, but the Italians left those trades as they did better in society so that profession isn't as ethnically didvided as it once was. If your father is a successful banker, it's not very likely that you'll become a brick layer regardless of whether you're Jewish or Itallian.
yes, naveed -- of course not all of any group is bad, and actually, most of every group is good. As usual it's just a few rich people on top that cause the troubles, in any or every group.
Don't worry -- they'll never be any "rounding up" of Jewish people in America as there was in Germany -- Jews today are far to assimilated in our society for anything like that to happen again. Everyone has Jewish friends, relatives, co-workers, etc. I don't even think they could get away with rounding up the "Islamo-fascists"
Even these skin-head and Neo-Nazi groups are started by Zionists.
The thing to remember is that Zionism NEEDS anti-semitism, so they create it. I've never met anyone who disliked people because they were Jewish -- I think that's a product of TV and Hollywood (both zionist institutions)
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
or the 5 dancing israelis
plz keep in mind that a few israelis doesn't imply all israelis are bad, just the ones who work for mossad
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
- Notebook, 1904
http://www.fightthenwo.org/
----- Original Message ----
From: JP Liggett <JP@JPLiggett.com>
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:42:04 PM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Loose Change Creators on CNN
I met someone at cooper union, who spoke about how he feels LC is a limited
hangout. he could not put his finger on what specific items he felt that
LC is steering people wrong with. He appeared sincere.. He felt that the
makers of LC were being led down some path, which may not be in the best
interests of the movement.
The movie has some excellent evidence, but I agree that it does not talk
about some non-bush actors. Silverstein is in the movie, but it does not
bring up his connections with netanyhu etc.
I met another man outside, who appeared to be associated in some way with
the producers of LC. The LC crew were giving him plenty of props.
He asked me where I thought the 911 movement is heading.
I told him I believed that some people were interested in those 3 letter
agencies that ran the 911 event, and cover it up to this day. That those
agencies and personnel are collectively complicit and they need to resign
now, or be arrested and sent to guantanemo for 4 years before they get a
lawyer. Then my gut told me this guy could be a spook, so I left.
Over the weekend, there were others taking video of movement folks, making
sure to get peoples faces. One guy tried to shoot me, and I kept moving
behind obstructions. I could see he was trying to get my image in a
discreet manner, but I was making him chase me.
bottom line, 9/11 movements are under attack now. Independent actions as
we've been successful with, are making the perps nervous. The 911 TV shows
had all the correspondents 4 or 5 floors up, so they wouldn't be subjected
to the truth army.
Kevin Hammond
<sir_oglaigh@ yaho
o.com> To
Sent by: 911TruthAction@ yahoogroups. com
911TruthAction@ ya cc
hoogroups.com
Subject
Re: [911TruthAction] Loose Change
09/13/2006 06:25 Creators on CNN
PM
Please respond to
911TruthAction@ ya
hoogroups.com
Now dont get me wrong, I wont say that loose change aint a bit if a
limited hangout, But it does open the door for a wider investigation. But
huffschmids first release really did'nt do that much better except that it
covered a little on ok city. One of the only videos that I have actually
seen name names that are directly linked in the money trail is Don Paul and
Jim Hoffmans 9/11 Guilt. Watch it.
Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
I,d have to disagree with ya on Jones not naming names and fear mongering.
I have on numerous occassions seen/heard him name rothschilds and others.
And as I ahve said before, The zionists are only one part of the New
World Order. One aspect, a tool, a cog in their machine. But ww will
probably have this debate till the cows come home and I aint got no
stinkin COWS! LMAO! I am in disagreement with you on the nwo stiuff too.
And you left a few non yiddish/jewish names out like Morgans rockefellers
and such. All that has to be done is to name the ones that have actually
profitted form all of this madness and there will be the actual case.
And far as I am concerned Smith, Bollyn, and Huffschmid are not telling
the complete story. They are leaving out vital information. Contrary to
what you espouse my friend the nwo is NOT just zionism as you have stated.
But believe what you want.
Kevin
Jolly Roger <internetspies@ yahoo.com> wrote:
yes, Naveed. You're exactly right. Osama's not working so Bush is
the new patsy. They might impeach him, and install a new Rothschild
puppet. If that's the result nothing will change, and all of our
work will have been in vain.
Why do you think Loose Change is being promoted? It says nothing
about the Israelis. Remember Deb Simon? She was a member of this
group (maybe she still is) and she's the one paying for Loose
Change. She's married into the billionaire zionist Simon family that
owns about 250 shopping malls in the US, and fifty more in Europe.
They (the simons) were long-time supporters of Senator Hamilton, who
is still on their payroll, and was brought out of retirement to run
the Kean - Hamilton commission that "investigated" the attacks. She
also supported the BS "pod" dis-info, as well as con-artist Karl
Schwartz in her attempts to discredit or de-rail the movement. (it
wouldn't surprise me if she were paying Nico for the no-plane
non-sense too) She failed at those attempts, so now she's pushing
Loose Change to blame everything on Bush, which will provide cover
for Israel and the Zionists.
I don't know where people are geting their info, but please remember
that most of what's available is dis-info, and there's a lot of
money being spent (literally billions) on deceiving us. The only
source I know of right now that has the cutting-edge research and
uncompromised truth is Chris Bollyn and Eric Hufschmid --- both of
whom were providing us with the best info since day one. Go to
http://iamthewiitne ss.com/ and download the interviews. Regardless
of what you think of Smith -- that's where the real truth is, and
that's where the real truth movement needs to go. Those three
(Hufschmid, Bollyn and Smith) are 100% dedicated activists who are
telling the whole stopry, and naming names.
Even Alex Jones is part of the deception. 14 years and he's never
gotten to the top with his work -- he blames the new World Order,
the Illuminati, etc. etc. but never brings you to the top of the
pyramid. He's another gatekkeeper. Even though he's opening many
people's eyes, what he really does is leave them in fear of these
powerful groups that no one can seem to put their hands on. That's
also why he's being promoted (he goes on TV)
The zionists did 9-11. The zionists own the media. They're not going
to turn themselves in. It's a small network of very rich people and
they can be stopped, but they won't be if everyone is chasing the
"illuminati" or the "globalists. " They have names -- Rothschild,
Schiff, Warburg, Koen, Goldman, Simon, etc. etc. Learn them and use
them.
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo. com> wrote:
you watch, the media is already pinning 9/11 on bush, nothing
about mossad, nothing about global government/new world odor.
all bush's fault, and no one else's. This is bigger than bush!
This is about preserving/protecti ng America from the
globalist bastards who wish to destroy it!
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and
brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the
timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
- Notebook, 1904
http://www.fightthe nwo.org/
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To: Joe <joestokes@sbcglobal .nnet>
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2d. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
Posted by: "Jolly Roger" internetspies@yahoo.com internetspies
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:11 pm (PDT)
The Morgans and the Rockerfellers are jewish -- and both fortunes were seeded with Rothschild cash. When J.P. Morgan died it turned out that he only owned 17% of his fortune -- the rest went back to Rothschild.
Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote: I,d have to disagree with ya on Jones not naming names and fear mongering. I have on numerous occassions seen/heard him name rothschilds and others. And as I ahve said before, The zionists are only one part of the New World Order. One aspect, a tool, a cog in their machine. But ww will probably have this debate till the cows come home and I aint got no stinkin COWS! LMAO! I am in disagreement with you on the nwo stiuff too. And you left a few non yiddish/jewish names out like Morgans rockefellers and such. All that has to be done is to name the ones that have actually profitted form all of this madness and there will be the actual case. And far as I am concerned Smith, Bollyn, and Huffschmid are not telling the complete story. They are leaving out vital information. Contrary to what you espouse my friend the nwo is NOT just zionism as you have stated. But believe what you want.
Kevin
Jolly Roger <internetspies@yahoo.com> wrote:
yes, Naveed. You're exactly right. Osama's not working so Bush is the new patsy. They might impeach him, and install a new Rothschild puppet. If that's the result nothing will change, and all of our work will have been in vain.
Why do you think Loose Change is being promoted? It says nothing about the Israelis. Remember Deb Simon? She was a member of this group (maybe she still is) and she's the one paying for Loose Change. She's married into the billionaire zionist Simon family that owns about 250 shopping malls in the US, and fifty more in Europe. They (the simons) were long-time supporters of Senator Hamilton, who is still on their payroll, and was brought out of retirement to run the Kean - Hamilton commission that "investigated" the attacks. She also supported the BS "pod" dis-info, as well as con-artist Karl Schwartz in her attempts to discredit or de-rail the movement. (it wouldn't surprise me if she were paying Nico for the no-plane non-sense too) She failed at those attempts, so now she's pushing Loose Change to blame everything on Bush, which will provide cover for Israel and the Zionists.
I don't know where people are geting their info, but please remember that most of what's available is dis-info, and there's a lot of money being spent (literally billions) on deceiving us. The only source I know of right now that has the cutting-edge research and uncompromised truth is Chris Bollyn and Eric Hufschmid --- both of whom were providing us with the best info since day one. Go to http://iamthewitness.com/ and download the interviews. Regardless of what you think of Smith -- that's where the real truth is, and that's where the real truth movement needs to go. Those three (Hufschmid, Bollyn and Smith) are 100% dedicated activists who are telling the whole stopry, and naming names.
Even Alex Jones is part of the deception. 14 years and he's never gotten to the top with his work -- he blames the new World Order, the Illuminati, etc. etc. but never brings you to the top of the pyramid. He's another gatekeeper. Even though he's opening many people's eyes, what he really does is leave them in fear of these powerful groups that no one can seem to put their hands on. That's also why he's being promoted (he goes on TV)
The zionists did 9-11. The zionists own the media. They're not going to turn themselves in. It's a small network of very rich people and they can be stopped, but they won't be if everyone is chasing the "illuminati" or the "globalists." They have names -- Rothschild, Schiff, Warburg, Koen, Goldman, Simon, etc. etc. Learn them and use them.
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
you watch, the media is already pinning 9/11 on bush, nothing about mossad, nothing about global government/new world odor.
all bush's fault, and no one else's. This is bigger than bush! This is about preserving/protecting America from the globalist bastards who wish to destroy it!
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
- Notebook, 1904
http://www.fightthenwo.org/
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2e. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
Posted by: "Jolly Roger" internetspies@yahoo.com internetspies
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:24 pm (PDT)
Loose change is good -- but I did count a few mistakes in it.
You've learned a lot in the last few years -- no one can fit it all onto one DVD -- so every DVD you see will "not be telling the whole story." Hopefully many who see it will keep digging for info, but no one DVD is going to have all the facts.
I think the general complaint is that it avoids any mention of Israel, but that might be an advantage too. I've always avoided mentioning Israeli connections because I thought it was a good marketing strategy. I certainly wasn't being paid off by zionists. That's the problem with Smith -- everyone who is not screaming about the zionists is part of the "criminal network." What the idiot doesn't realize is that he, Bollyn and Hufschmid are the first ones to research it that far. It's just the next step if you keep following the info. Hufschmid's video didn't mention the zionists either -- that's because it's relatively new info.
Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Now dont get me wrong, I wont say that loose change aint a bit if a limited hangout, But it does open the door for a wider investigation. But huffschmids first release really did'nt do that much better except that it covered a little on ok city. One of the only videos that I have actually seen name names that are directly linked in the money trail is Don Paul and Jim Hoffmans 9/11 Guilt. Watch it.
Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote: I,d have to disagree with ya on Jones not naming names and fear mongering. I have on numerous occassions seen/heard him name rothschilds and others. And as I ahve said before, The zionists are only one part of the New World Order. One aspect, a tool, a cog in their machine. But ww will probably have this debate till the cows come home and I aint got no stinkin COWS! LMAO! I am in disagreement with you on the nwo stiuff too. And you left a few non yiddish/jewish names out like Morgans rockefellers and such. All that has to be done is to name the ones that have actually profitted form all of this madness and there will be the actual case. And far as I am concerned Smith, Bollyn, and Huffschmid are not telling the complete story. They are leaving out vital information. Contrary to what you espouse my friend the nwo is NOT just zionism as you have stated. But believe what you want.
Kevin
Jolly Roger <internetspies@yahoo.com> wrote:
yes, Naveed. You're exactly right. Osama's not working so Bush is the new patsy. They might impeach him, and install a new Rothschild puppet. If that's the result nothing will change, and all of our work will have been in vain.
Why do you think Loose Change is being promoted? It says nothing about the Israelis. Remember Deb Simon? She was a member of this group (maybe she still is) and she's the one paying for Loose Change. She's married into the billionaire zionist Simon family that owns about 250 shopping malls in the US, and fifty more in Europe. They (the simons) were long-time supporters of Senator Hamilton, who is still on their payroll, and was brought out of retirement to run the Kean - Hamilton commission that "investigated" the attacks. She also supported the BS "pod" dis-info, as well as con-artist Karl Schwartz in her attempts to discredit or de-rail the movement. (it wouldn't surprise me if she were paying Nico for the no-plane non-sense too) She failed at those attempts, so now she's pushing Loose Change to blame everything on Bush, which will provide cover for Israel and the Zionists.
I don't know where people are geting their info, but please remember that most of what's available is dis-info, and there's a lot of money being spent (literally billions) on deceiving us. The only source I know of right now that has the cutting-edge research and uncompromised truth is Chris Bollyn and Eric Hufschmid --- both of whom were providing us with the best info since day one. Go to http://iamthewitness.com/ and download the interviews. Regardless of what you think of Smith -- that's where the real truth is, and that's where the real truth movement needs to go. Those three (Hufschmid, Bollyn and Smith) are 100% dedicated activists who are telling the whole stopry, and naming names.
Even Alex Jones is part of the deception. 14 years and he's never gotten to the top with his work -- he blames the new World Order, the Illuminati, etc. etc. but never brings you to the top of the pyramid. He's another gatekeeper. Even though he's opening many people's eyes, what he really does is leave them in fear of these powerful groups that no one can seem to put their hands on. That's also why he's being promoted (he goes on TV)
The zionists did 9-11. The zionists own the media. They're not going to turn themselves in. It's a small network of very rich people and they can be stopped, but they won't be if everyone is chasing the "illuminati" or the "globalists." They have names -- Rothschild, Schiff, Warburg, Koen, Goldman, Simon, etc. etc. Learn them and use them.
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
you watch, the media is already pinning 9/11 on bush, nothing about mossad, nothing about global government/new world odor.
all bush's fault, and no one else's. This is bigger than bush! This is about preserving/protecting America from the globalist bastards who wish to destroy it!
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
- Notebook, 1904
http://www.fightthenwo.org/
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2f. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
Posted by: "Jolly Roger" internetspies@yahoo.com internetspies
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:26 pm (PDT)
J.P. -- when was this connection between silverstein and Nettin'Yahoo discovered?
I thought this was fairly recent news, and LC might simply pre-date it.
We do have to work on this Israeli connection though --- or else we just get Bush as a patsy and nothing changes. We need to expose the federal reserve for the scam that it is.
I highly recommend this movie:
http://www.themoneymasters.com/
JP Liggett <JP@JPLiggett.com> wrote:
I met someone at cooper union, who spoke about how he feels LC is a limited
hangout. he could not put his finger on what specific items he felt that
LC is steering people wrong with. He appeared sincere.. He felt that the
makers of LC were being led down some path, which may not be in the best
interests of the movement.
The movie has some excellent evidence, but I agree that it does not talk
about some non-bush actors. Silverstein is in the movie, but it does not
bring up his connections with netanyhu etc.
I met another man outside, who appeared to be associated in some way with
the producers of LC. The LC crew were giving him plenty of props.
He asked me where I thought the 911 movement is heading.
I told him I believed that some people were interested in those 3 letter
agencies that ran the 911 event, and cover it up to this day. That those
agencies and personnel are collectively complicit and they need to resign
now, or be arrested and sent to guantanemo for 4 years before they get a
lawyer. Then my gut told me this guy could be a spook, so I left.
Over the weekend, there were others taking video of movement folks, making
sure to get peoples faces. One guy tried to shoot me, and I kept moving
behind obstructions. I could see he was trying to get my image in a
discreet manner, but I was making him chase me.
bottom line, 9/11 movements are under attack now. Independent actions as
we've been successful with, are making the perps nervous. The 911 TV shows
had all the correspondents 4 or 5 floors up, so they wouldn't be subjected
to the truth army.
Kevin Hammond
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Now dont get me wrong, I wont say that loose change aint a bit if a
limited hangout, But it does open the door for a wider investigation. But
huffschmids first release really did'nt do that much better except that it
covered a little on ok city. One of the only videos that I have actually
seen name names that are directly linked in the money trail is Don Paul and
Jim Hoffmans 9/11 Guilt. Watch it.
Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
I,d have to disagree with ya on Jones not naming names and fear mongering.
I have on numerous occassions seen/heard him name rothschilds and others.
And as I ahve said before, The zionists are only one part of the New
World Order. One aspect, a tool, a cog in their machine. But ww will
probably have this debate till the cows come home and I aint got no
stinkin COWS! LMAO! I am in disagreement with you on the nwo stiuff too.
And you left a few non yiddish/jewish names out like Morgans rockefellers
and such. All that has to be done is to name the ones that have actually
profitted form all of this madness and there will be the actual case.
And far as I am concerned Smith, Bollyn, and Huffschmid are not telling
the complete story. They are leaving out vital information. Contrary to
what you espouse my friend the nwo is NOT just zionism as you have stated.
But believe what you want.
Kevin
Jolly Roger <internetspies@yahoo.com> wrote:
yes, Naveed. You're exactly right. Osama's not working so Bush is
the new patsy. They might impeach him, and install a new Rothschild
puppet. If that's the result nothing will change, and all of our
work will have been in vain.
Why do you think Loose Change is being promoted? It says nothing
about the Israelis. Remember Deb Simon? She was a member of this
group (maybe she still is) and she's the one paying for Loose
Change. She's married into the billionaire zionist Simon family that
owns about 250 shopping malls in the US, and fifty more in Europe.
They (the simons) were long-time supporters of Senator Hamilton, who
is still on their payroll, and was brought out of retirement to run
the Kean - Hamilton commission that "investigated" the attacks. She
also supported the BS "pod" dis-info, as well as con-artist Karl
Schwartz in her attempts to discredit or de-rail the movement. (it
wouldn't surprise me if she were paying Nico for the no-plane
non-sense too) She failed at those attempts, so now she's pushing
Loose Change to blame everything on Bush, which will provide cover
for Israel and the Zionists.
I don't know where people are geting their info, but please remember
that most of what's available is dis-info, and there's a lot of
money being spent (literally billions) on deceiving us. The only
source I know of right now that has the cutting-edge research and
uncompromised truth is Chris Bollyn and Eric Hufschmid --- both of
whom were providing us with the best info since day one. Go to
http://iamthewiitness.com/ and download the interviews. Regardless
of what you think of Smith -- that's where the real truth is, and
that's where the real truth movement needs to go. Those three
(Hufschmid, Bollyn and Smith) are 100% dedicated activists who are
telling the whole stopry, and naming names.
Even Alex Jones is part of the deception. 14 years and he's never
gotten to the top with his work -- he blames the new World Order,
the Illuminati, etc. etc. but never brings you to the top of the
pyramid. He's another gatekkeeper. Even though he's opening many
people's eyes, what he really does is leave them in fear of these
powerful groups that no one can seem to put their hands on. That's
also why he's being promoted (he goes on TV)
The zionists did 9-11. The zionists own the media. They're not going
to turn themselves in. It's a small network of very rich people and
they can be stopped, but they won't be if everyone is chasing the
"illuminati" or the "globalists." They have names -- Rothschild,
Schiff, Warburg, Koen, Goldman, Simon, etc. etc. Learn them and use
them.
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
you watch, the media is already pinning 9/11 on bush, nothing
about mossad, nothing about global government/new world odor.
all bush's fault, and no one else's. This is bigger than bush!
This is about preserving/protecting America from the
globalist bastards who wish to destroy it!
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and
brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the
timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
- Notebook, 1904
http://www.fightthenwo.org/
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To: Joe <joestokes@sbcglobal.nnet>
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Subject: [911TruthAction] Loose Change Creators on CNN
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2g. Re: Loose Change Creators on CNN
Posted by: "Jolly Roger" internetspies@yahoo.com internetspies
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:31 pm (PDT)
J.P. -- when was this connection between silverstein and Nettin'Yahoo discovered?
I thought this was fairly recent news, and LC might simply pre-date it.
We do have to work on this Israeli connection though --- or else we just get Bush as a patsy and nothing changes. We need to expose the federal reserve for the scam that it is.
I highly recommend this movie:
http://www.themoneymasters.com/
JP Liggett <JP@JPLiggett.com> wrote:
I met someone at cooper union, who spoke about how he feels LC is a limited
hangout. he could not put his finger on what specific items he felt that
LC is steering people wrong with. He appeared sincere.. He felt that the
makers of LC were being led down some path, which may not be in the best
interests of the movement.
The movie has some excellent evidence, but I agree that it does not talk
about some non-bush actors. Silverstein is in the movie, but it does not
bring up his connections with netanyhu etc.
I met another man outside, who appeared to be associated in some way with
the producers of LC. The LC crew were giving him plenty of props.
He asked me where I thought the 911 movement is heading.
I told him I believed that some people were interested in those 3 letter
agencies that ran the 911 event, and cover it up to this day. That those
agencies and personnel are collectively complicit and they need to resign
now, or be arrested and sent to guantanemo for 4 years before they get a
lawyer. Then my gut told me this guy could be a spook, so I left.
Over the weekend, there were others taking video of movement folks, making
sure to get peoples faces. One guy tried to shoot me, and I kept moving
behind obstructions. I could see he was trying to get my image in a
discreet manner, but I was making him chase me.
bottom line, 9/11 movements are under attack now. Independent actions as
we've been successful with, are making the perps nervous. The 911 TV shows
had all the correspondents 4 or 5 floors up, so they wouldn't be subjected
to the truth army.
Kevin Hammond
<sir_oglaigh@yaho
o.com> To
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Please respond to
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Now dont get me wrong, I wont say that loose change aint a bit if a
limited hangout, But it does open the door for a wider investigation. But
huffschmids first release really did'nt do that much better except that it
covered a little on ok city. One of the only videos that I have actually
seen name names that are directly linked in the money trail is Don Paul and
Jim Hoffmans 9/11 Guilt. Watch it.
Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
I,d have to disagree with ya on Jones not naming names and fear mongering.
I have on numerous occassions seen/heard him name rothschilds and others.
And as I ahve said before, The zionists are only one part of the New
World Order. One aspect, a tool, a cog in their machine. But ww will
probably have this debate till the cows come home and I aint got no
stinkin COWS! LMAO! I am in disagreement with you on the nwo stiuff too.
And you left a few non yiddish/jewish names out like Morgans rockefellers
and such. All that has to be done is to name the ones that have actually
profitted form all of this madness and there will be the actual case.
And far as I am concerned Smith, Bollyn, and Huffschmid are not telling
the complete story. They are leaving out vital information. Contrary to
what you espouse my friend the nwo is NOT just zionism as you have stated.
But believe what you want.
Kevin
Jolly Roger <internetspies@yahoo.com> wrote:
yes, Naveed. You're exactly right. Osama's not working so Bush is
the new patsy. They might impeach him, and install a new Rothschild
puppet. If that's the result nothing will change, and all of our
work will have been in vain.
Why do you think Loose Change is being promoted? It says nothing
about the Israelis. Remember Deb Simon? She was a member of this
group (maybe she still is) and she's the one paying for Loose
Change. She's married into the billionaire zionist Simon family that
owns about 250 shopping malls in the US, and fifty more in Europe.
They (the simons) were long-time supporters of Senator Hamilton, who
is still on their payroll, and was brought out of retirement to run
the Kean - Hamilton commission that "investigated" the attacks. She
also supported the BS "pod" dis-info, as well as con-artist Karl
Schwartz in her attempts to discredit or de-rail the movement. (it
wouldn't surprise me if she were paying Nico for the no-plane
non-sense too) She failed at those attempts, so now she's pushing
Loose Change to blame everything on Bush, which will provide cover
for Israel and the Zionists.
I don't know where people are geting their info, but please remember
that most of what's available is dis-info, and there's a lot of
money being spent (literally billions) on deceiving us. The only
source I know of right now that has the cutting-edge research and
uncompromised truth is Chris Bollyn and Eric Hufschmid --- both of
whom were providing us with the best info since day one. Go to
http://iamthewiitness.com/ and download the interviews. Regardless
of what you think of Smith -- that's where the real truth is, and
that's where the real truth movement needs to go. Those three
(Hufschmid, Bollyn and Smith) are 100% dedicated activists who are
telling the whole stopry, and naming names.
Even Alex Jones is part of the deception. 14 years and he's never
gotten to the top with his work -- he blames the new World Order,
the Illuminati, etc. etc. but never brings you to the top of the
pyramid. He's another gatekkeeper. Even though he's opening many
people's eyes, what he really does is leave them in fear of these
powerful groups that no one can seem to put their hands on. That's
also why he's being promoted (he goes on TV)
The zionists did 9-11. The zionists own the media. They're not going
to turn themselves in. It's a small network of very rich people and
they can be stopped, but they won't be if everyone is chasing the
"illuminati" or the "globalists." They have names -- Rothschild,
Schiff, Warburg, Koen, Goldman, Simon, etc. etc. Learn them and use
them.
Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com> wrote:
you watch, the media is already pinning 9/11 on bush, nothing
about mossad, nothing about global government/new world odor.
all bush's fault, and no one else's. This is bigger than bush!
This is about preserving/protecting America from the
globalist bastards who wish to destroy it!
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and
brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the
timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
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3a. Re: 3m. Re: enuff ,,,,,,,Thermate or Methane/gypsum? DAMMMM
Posted by: "Jacki Rankin Blue" jackirblue@sbcglobal.net jackirblue
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:20 pm (PDT)
My goodness, shooter really seems to enjoy talking to himself. No one needs to debate him, cuz he only wants to be right at all costs. I find his behavior quite annoying and hope the moderator catches up with the group and puts him on moderated status. Peace, MsBlue
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3m. Re: enuff ,,,,,,,Thermate or Methane/gypsum? DAMMMM
Posted by: "kucitizenx" prometheuspan@hotmail.com kucitizenx Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:12 pm (PST) --- In truthabout911@ yahoogroups. com, Ben Noyes <banoyes2@.. .> wrote:
>
> Look folks shooter586 is a disruptor, a misdirector and ultimately a
traitor
> do not bother with the disingenuous , sarcastic prattling of this
phony
> the mail is cluttered with junk over minor details
> there is no need to explain anything to him/her
> let him die unanswered .. he is not worth your time
>----------- --
Somebody obviously needs to kick his mutt little attack dog hiny, so
that the mods can feel obliged to get rid of him and so that everybody
knows its not about anything other than him being a grade a
propagandist.
I don't know who the moderator is, but i do agree, please get rid of
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3b. Re: 3m. Re: enuff ,,,,,,,Thermate or Methane/gypsum? DAMMMM
Posted by: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com scotpeden
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:44 pm (PDT)
Personally, why is he working so hard to get us to chase after something
that can’t be proven until the evidence is released and that can’t happen
till we can prove some simple stuff like what happened to WTC 7? Why did all
the TV interviews of the Colonel at Norad become National Security within an
hour of that interviews.
Why are all videos that show what hit the Pentagon all National Security?
Why are we allowing people to try to drag us into things that aren’t prove
able until an independent investigation can get hold of what ever is left
over, or we get a few of the Murders to sing, for a lesser charge than the
firing squad?
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:17 PM
To: truthabout911@yahoogroups.com; WTP_U; 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] re: 3m. Re: enuff ,,,,,,,Thermate or
Methane/gypsum? DAMMMM
My goodness, shooter really seems to enjoy talking to himself. No one needs
to debate him, cuz he only wants to be right at all costs. I find his
behavior quite annoying and hope the moderator catches up with the group and
puts him on moderated status. Peace, MsBlue
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--- In truthabout911@ yahoogroups. com
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> , Ben Noyes <banoyes2@.. .> wrote:
>
> Look folks shooter586 is a disruptor, a misdirector and ultimately a
traitor
> do not bother with the disingenuous , sarcastic prattling of this
phony
> the mail is cluttered with junk over minor details
> there is no need to explain anything to him/her
> let him die unanswered .. he is not worth your time
>----------- --
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that the mods can fee! l obliged to get rid of him and so that everybody
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propagandist.
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4. Senator Byrd, needs your support to keep this ad on the air - Watch
Posted by: "Quechick Barnyard" quechick007@yahoo.com quechick007
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:26 pm (PDT)
Senator Byrd is one of our very best, both as a Senator for all of America, but also in the Senate, he stand firm for American Values, which is the very basis of our Country. A country in which we can be proud to be a part.
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5. FW: High-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens
Posted by: "APFN" apfn@apfn.org klvnetacom
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:30 pm (PDT)
-------- Original Message -------- Subject:
FW: High-power microwave devices should be used on American
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-0400 From: Henry Morgan
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To: # FREEDOM FORWARDS <henrymorgan@knology.net
<mailto:henrymorgan@knology.net> For my part,
whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the
whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. ~ ~ ~
Patrick Henry
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High-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens
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Nonlethal Weapons Touted for Use on Americans
The contract is expected to be worth at least $20 billion.
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, AP
Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne said
using nonlethal weapons in domestic crowd-control situations
would allay concerns about safety.
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WASHINGTON (Sept. 13) - Nonlethal weapons such as high-power
microwave devices should be used on American citizens in
crowd-control situations before they are used on the battlefield,
the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.
Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions in the
international community over any possible safety concerns, said
Secretary Michael Wynne.
"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens,
then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation,"
said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon
and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not
intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."
The Air Force has funded research into nonlethal weapons, but he
said the service isn't likely to spend more money on development
until injury issues are reviewed by medical experts and resolved.
Nonlethal weapons generally can weaken people if they are hit
with the beam. Some of the weapons can emit short, intense energy
pulses that also can be effective in disabling some electronic
devices.
On another subject, Wynne said he expects to pick a new
contractor for the next generation aerial refueling tanking by
next summer. He said a draft request for bids will be put out
next month, and there are two qualified bidders: The Boeing Co.
and a team of Northrop Grumman Corp. and European Aeronautic
Defence and Space Co., the majority owner of European jet maker
Airbus SAS.
The contract is expected to be worth at least $20 billion.
Chicago-based Boeing lost the tanker deal in 2004 amid
revelations that it had hired a top Air Force acquisitions
official who had given the company preferential treatment.
Wynne also said the Air Force, which is already chopping 40,000
active duty, civilian and reserves jobs, is now struggling to
find new ways to slash about $1.8 billion from its budget to
cover costs from the latest round of base closings.
He said he can't cut more people, and it would not be wise to
take funding from military programs that are needed to protect
the country. But, he said he also encounters resistance when he
tries to save money on operations and maintenance by retiring
aging aircraft.
"We're finding out that those are, unfortunately, prized
possessions of some congressional districts," said Wynne, adding
that the Air Force will have to "take some appetite suppressant
pills," he said. He said he has asked employees to look for
efficiencies in their offices.
The base closings initially were expected to create savings by
reducing Air Force infrastructure by 24 percent.
09-13-06 06:46 EDT
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6. URGENT-Can "CAPTN" MAY BE TRUSTED??-NO!! and WHY!!!
Posted by: "Tim White" phantom469366@yahoo.com phantom469366
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:41 pm (PDT)
>
> --- End Time Martyrs USA <mytwaryor4jc@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: "End Time Martyrs USA"
> > <mytwaryor4jc@hotmail.com>
> > To: phantom469366@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: URGENT-Can CAPTN MAY BE TRUSTED?? and
> > WHYYY!!!
> > Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:05:02 +0000
> >
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> I believe you...my webmaster was RON GARON,
> webmaster
> to MRS ALBERTO RIVERA, the ex Jesuit who told THE
> TRUTH about Jesuit stuff...I have a healthy FEAR of
> these people and I DO stay away!
> The Vatican is a MAJOR TOOL of the NWO and of the
> coming INQUISITION against TRUE Christians resisting
> the NEW WORLD ORDER. A JESUIT ruined one person's
> ministry I know, by marrying her and getting her
> TOTALLY OCCULTLY CORRUPTED.
>
> Thanks for the HEADS UP!-Pam
>
>
>
> From: Tim White <phantom469366@yahoo.com>
> To: End Time Martyrs USA <mytwaryor4jc@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: URGENT-Can CAPTN MAY BE TRUSTED?? and
> WHYYY!!!
> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:49:17 -0700 (PDT)
> >STAY AWAY
> >FROM MAY
> >PLEASE DO
> >AS I SAY
> >IF YOU DON"T
> >YOU"LL PAY
> >TO PLAY
> >WITH MAY
> >
> > He is a JESUIT CONTROLLED AGENT PROVACATEUR---I
> >have tangled with this piece of shit for almost 3
> >years now and Eric Phelps is POSITIVE about this
> too
> >because what I brought to his attention over a long
> >period of time.This arrogant asshole is calling ME
> an
> >FBI snitch and a paid disinformer and you know
> that's
> >not true.I have saved LOTS of emails between he and
> I
> >and I was also a member of Ghost Troop by HIS
> >invitation.I stuck all the JESUIT info from Eric
> >Phelps in front of his face from the beginning and
> he
> >wouldn't touch it with a 100' pole.IF he was what
> he
> >said he is and IF he REALLY wanted to get the
> complete
> >truth then WHY did he not look into the JESUITS and
> >WHY is he calling ME an agent when HE is CONTROLLED
> by
> >the JESUITS?You want more on this?Well,I got plenty
> on
> >this scumbag.STAY AWAY from the whole thing-it IS a
> >set up,Pam.
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- End Time Martyrs USA <mytwaryor4jc@hotmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >I am now getting all these emails from Capt MAY and
> >his ghost troop buddies..they are interested in my
> >reports...IS HE AN INFILTRATOR as I have heard???
> Is
> >this a set up to infiltrate and FIND MY
> SOURCES???-Pam
> >
> >
> >
> >IS THIS THE YEAR OF MARTIAL LAW???
> >
> >In 2001, while investigating the NWO AGENDA for the
> >USA, I met with a US Army military source in
> Germany.
> >He looked through my book PREMONITIONS OF AN
> AMERICAN
> >HOLOCAUST, said in a low voice, "EVERYTHING you are
> >saying in this book IS TRUE...and for the US
> >military, the YEAR 2007 IS A MAJOR DATE for MUCH of
> >what you report on TO BE IN PLACE IN AMERICA..."
> >
> >-WHAT NWO-STAGED TERROR IS SCHEDULED TO HAPPEN IN
> >AMERICA IN 2006 TO BRING US UNDER NWO CONTROL BY
> >2007???-
> >
> >...THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
> >
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7. Fw: [L&J] Fw: Who murdered 24 Canadians on 911?
Posted by: "Pay_the_Piper" pay_the_piper@shaw.ca
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:44 pm (PDT)
----- Original Message -----
From: Pay_the_Piper
To: LIBERTY-AND-JUSTICE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: [L&J] Fw: Who murdered 24 Canadians on 911?
----- Original Message -----
From: Pay_the_Piper
To: pm@pm.gc.ca
Cc: customerexperiencecenter@us.ul.com ; sunday@cbc.ca ; MIT-Opencourseware-Discussion@yahoogroups.com ; frank.gayle@nist.gov
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: Who murdered 24 Canadians on 911?
Gosh, there it is. The $64,000 question. What is YOUR answer, Mr. Prime Minister? Does it make no difference if anyone ever obtains a REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE of steel members from the deep rubble to prove that there were or were not INSIDER TERRORISTS responsible in the murder of 24 Canadians? Is it alright with you if an ISP seizes this email covertly as has happened to so many others in the past few days and sends it on to the terrorists?
Tonto from Toronto
----- Original Message -----
From: Diabolico Sapiens
To: frank.gayle@nist.gov
Cc: customerexperiencecenter@us.ul.com ; sunday@cbc.ca ; MIT-Opencourseware-Discussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MIT-OpenCourseWare-Discussion] Paula Zahn/CNN examines The Big Lie
All it takes is one steel beam cut by thermite/thermate which expectedly would leave a unique signature and it's all over for the INSIDER TERRORISTS.
Can NIST show us a representative sample of steel members from the rubble?
DS
Pay_the_Piper <pay_the_piper@shaw.ca> wrote:
By all means and especially let us have the technical reports which examine the breaking points of those steel members. It is really straight-forward and inexpensive. If thermite/thermate were used as now-suspended Professor Jones at BYU says, that will show in the tests.
NIST et al will then be happy to have put the public mind at ease so easily!
PtP
----- Original Message -----
From: Diabolico Sapiens
To: MIT-OpenCourseWare-Discussion@yahoogroups.com
Cc: PSYCHOROBOTICS@yahoogroups.com ; customerexperiencecenter@us.ul.com ; frank.gayle@nist.gov ; sunday@cbc.ca
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: [MIT-OpenCourseWare-Discussion] Paula Zahn/CNN examines The B! ig Lie
Just one question, Paula:
What does a multi-disciplinary team of MIT experts say after thorough examination of the ruins at WTC 7?
DS
Pay_the_Piper <pay_the_piper@shaw.ca> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: Diabolico Sapiens
To: MIT-OpenCourseWare-Discussion@yahoogroups.com
Cc: PSYCHOROBOTICS@yahoogroups.com ; customerexperiencecenter@us.ul.com ; frank.gayle@nist.gov ; sunday@cbc.ca
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:27 AM
Subject: [MIT-OpenCourseWare-Discussion] MIT Demolition Engineering to "pull" 911 Commission's BIG LIE
Sunday CBC interviewed Lee Hamilton, 911 Commission Co-Chair who said "We looked very carefully at explosives" and their involvement in 911.
THIS IS A BOLD LIE AND A DESECRATION OF THE MEMORY OF 3,000 VICTIMS
WTC 7 was not even included in the 911 Commission Report. How could it have fallen, having had no plane impact and only a spill-over of jet fuel? How could it have fallen so fast and so totally and so neatly ... into its own footprint? A huge building larger in area than WTC 1 and WTC 2 and about half their height. Surely this "method" of "pulling" a building revolutionizes demolition engineering!
Otherwise, just give us one thorough examination of the deep ruins including alleged molten metals (now cooled) under WTC 7. Take a reliable, multi-disciplinary team in, led by MIT and use the procedure and findings to teach Demolition Engineering 100. The cost would be only a few million dollars and the course could be taught initially with tuition fees to defray those costs so that future DE 100 OCW SW could be given to worldwide students free of charge.
The onus of proof is not on those who ask good, honest questions like this. It is on governmental authorities whose duty it is to reassure the public with the answers.
DS
Diabolico Sapiens <diabolico_sapiens@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Let's use DE 100 at MIT as an example! What questions would you ask to be SURE that both Pentagon and WTC were not struck by planted explosives, some of which detonated BEFORE planes hit according to
Barbara Honegger, M.S. a military journalist on staff since 1995 at the Naval Postgraduate School. NPS is the Navy's advanced science and technology university ... sort of a USM MIT.
Using her skills as a specialist in military journalism she gives eyewitness and earwitness evidence that in BOTH cases, explosives were detonated BEFORE the planes hit (and then there were the explosions witnessed afterward). Clocks on the Pentagon wall stopped when explosions occurred and are a physical, hard evidence part of the witnessing.
If jet fuel alone caused all three WTC buildings to collapse so perfectly into their own footprints, should DE 100 not consider teaching this as the method of choice for future civilian demolitions? It is cheap and easy and EXTREMELY powerful so it could be used to "pull" any building on this planet.
DS
Pay_the_Piper <pay_the_piper@shaw.ca> wrote:
Yes it is obsolete and we only have to understand the concept of AUTOMATION
in application to teaching to understand why. Suppose I can walk through the
buildings of MIT and DEMAND an answer to any question of higher education
from any professor. I don't have to worry about manners and being polite.
The rules of questioning are that the onus is on the professor to answer and
any failure to give a correct answer will lead to an "upgrading" of the
professor by MIT administration.
There are limited relevant and material questions to any subject of higher
education. We can make an exhaustive list for all the questions in ABC 100
at MIT. And all the natural language variations on those questions. With
ever more powerful super-computers, giant look-up tables will be able to
DISPENSE those answers by machine like meals in a New York City "Automat".
As an example, we could replace all the books and teachers needed to teach
.NET programming by IBM SW. Bill Gates will be crying in his beer but hey,
progress is progress.
MIT's new slogan? "The student is always right".
The student is then cast into a new role. The student is a questioner. The
teacher is an answerer. In this relationship the better student is the one
who can ask the right questions. What ARE the right questions?
Can MIT offer a degree in "Questioning"? Quests 100, Quests 200 and so on
....
PtP
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Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:57 AM
Subject: [BP] InsideHigherEd: [LONG] The 20th Century University Is Obsolete
> []
>
> http://insidehighered.com/views/2006/09/05/minogue
>
> Sept. 5, 2006 | Inside Higher Ed
>
> The 20th Century University Is Obsolete
>
> By Rev. John P. Minogue
> info@insidehighered.com
>
> Higher education, like the human species itself, is the product of
> evolutionary forces that produce structures -- the DNA if you will --
> that enable one variant to thrive and cause another to falter.
>
> The life form known as higher education was hatched in a monastic cocoon
> in the 10th century. From this beginning, higher education institutions
> took shape as an evolving species, changing form and mission in response
> to external forces. Familiar milestones on this evolutionary journey
> include secularization, development of academic disciplines, evolution of
> administrative structures, growth of the research university, and the
> concepts of academic freedom and tenure.
> .
> .
> .
>
> So what will be demanded of 20th century universities to survive when
> market supply reaches or exceeds demand? As in every market, those
> producers that have driven efficiency into their production system and
> responsiveness into their market positioning have at least a change at
> surviving. But the challenge is daunting because the 20th century
> university is trying to play serious catch up in new markets -- adults,
> women, diversities, the under privileged -- while using the same
> mentalities that allowed them to attract the 18 to 25 year old male.
>
> As with IBM, which played in the personal computer market, but really
> lived in the mainframe business market, there is no fire in the belly of
> 20th century universities for these new markets. These institutions have
> not changed the way they go about their business to serve these new
> markets; and if there has been some change, it has been accompanied by the
> widespread grumbling of the faculty: Why do we have to teach at night? Why
> do we have to teach at multiple campuses? Why do we have to provide
> support services in the evening? Why do we have to teach students who
> aren't educated the way we were? Why do we have to schedule classes so
> students can maximize their employment opportunities?
>
> Meanwhile, 20th century universities are running average price increases
> twice the inflation rate and carrying multiple overheads of unproven value
> to the buying market. Walk into the library of any university today that
> has ubiquitous connections to the Internet, and you will find the stacks
> empty of both faculty and students. Is the traditional library a value add
> or a costly overhead? As with IBM, 20th century universities believe their
> brand will sustain price increases. "No frill, just degree" competitors
> are producing product without the high cost of minimalist full-time
> faculty workloads, large libraries and multiple staff intensive manual
> processes. As with the personal computer, will the buying market
> ultimately see any difference between the products except the name on the
> plastic and the price on the sticker?
>
> What will be the destiny of the current life form we have called the 20th
> century university? It consumes far too many resources for what it returns
> to the environment, and though there are vast resources (markets)
> available, its structures do not let it tap these resources effectively.
> Its evolutionary tardiness has provided opportunity for a new species to
> take hold -- the profit driven university. As the evolution of the human
> race has picked up the pace with each passing millennium, a future life
> form that has little resemblance to current higher education life forms
> will emerge much sooner than the usual eons it takes for evolution to
> create the next iteration of life.
>
> The 20th century university is indeed obsolete and faces extinction.
>
> Rev. John P. Minogue is senior lecturer at the Center for Higher Education
> and Organizational Change at Benedictine University and was president of
> DePaul University from 1993 to 2004.
>
> COMMENTS (5 as of 9:50 AM ET, 9/5/06)
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8. Re: Fw: Some '9/11 Truth' Errors De-Bunked
Posted by: "Naveed" flanker12k@yahoo.com flanker12k
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:48 pm (PDT)
if building 7 fell by the earthquake resonance crap then why didn't buildings far closer to the towers collapse as well?
WTC 7 was a freaking block away! there were other buildings way closer!
then explain to me how the fuck do you get pools of molten steel found WEEKS after the attack 60 feet below ground???!?!?!?!?!?!?
WHAT BOUT THE 5 dancing israelis video taping the first plane and celebrating about it????????
I think the cops even found bomb residue in their white van.
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
- Notebook, 1904
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:07:11 PM
Subject: [911TruthAction] Fw: Some '9/11 Truth' Errors De-Bunked
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Cc: "Wendy Newhall" <WNewhall@heritage- dg.com>; "Peter Wilmerding"
<thundercannon19@ yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:12 PM
Subject: Some '9/11 Truth' Errors De-Bunked
> I'm in full agreement with these analyses, and as I have said to numerous
> CERJers over the years, what has happened since 9/11/01 is far more
> important than the precipitating event itself. Consciously or
> subconsciously, the USA and a few other countries have been led into a
> knee-jerk violent reaction that might be worthy of the dead Neanderthal
> subspecies, but not of modern humankind. We are still learning the
> ultimate evolutionary survival value of peacemaking. In the meantime,
> those recalcitrants who either don't know better or who want to make
> millions on the grief, anguish, fear and suffering of the world went to
> work on their day jobs and cooked up a few unnecessary and exacerbating
> wars and covert actions, ones which have very nearly destroyed the USA at
> this point. Stupidity and short-sightedness are part of what Hannah
> Arendt called 'the banality of evil', pointing out that what made Hitler
> and Eichmann possible was not any claim to genius or creativity that they!
> might
> have had, but rather the fact that they were pretty ordinary people.
>
> This is simply further evidence that the calling into peacemaking is still
> pretty unusual -- I mean, how many mainstream US politicians would have
> refrained from spinning 9/11 into the occasion for a couple of
> revenge-oriented wars? Not many, I think.
>
> -- John Wilmerding
>
> <...>
>
> http://www.counterp unch.org
>
> In the September 1-15 issue of Counterpunch' s print newsletter, Alexander
> Cockburn writes, in part about longtime CERJer and physicist Manuel
> Garcia, Jr.:
>
> <...>
>
> A Theory of the WTC Collapses
> by Alexander Cockburn
>
> As those CounterPunchers who read our web site may have seen, we ran a
> piece of mine the weekend of September 9/10 attacking the conspiracy crowd
> claiming the 9/11/2001 attacks were an inside job, ordered by Bush and
> Cheney. We don't believe this, and have always declined to make our
> newsletter or web site a platform for those who do.
>
> As CounterPuncher Michael Neumann remarked in a note to me after he'd read
> my piece: I think the problem of conspiracy nuttery has got worse, and is
> part of a general trend. There really were serious questions about the
> Kennedy assassination, an unusual number of them, and it wasn't too crazy
> to come to the wrong conclusion. There wasn't a single serious question
> about 9-11. But this is the age of angels, creationism, corpses all over
> Kosovo, Arabs suspiciously speaking Arabic, Satanic child abuse, nucular
> Eyraquees, and channeling. The main engine of the 9-11 conspiracy cult is
> nothing political; it's the death of any conception of evidence.
>
> This probably comes from the decline of Western power. Deep down, almost
> everyone, across the political spectrum, is locked in a bigotry which can
> only attribute that decline to some irrational or supernatural power. The
> result is the ascendency of magic over common sense, let alone reason."
>
> I'll quickly resume my basic points, before moving to a very interesting
> piece by a physicist (and CounterPuncher) -- Manuel Garcia, Jr. -- who
> offers a theory for the fall of the Towers, which conspiracy advocates
> attribute to pre-positioned explosives.
>
> One characteristic of the nuts is that they have a devout, albeit
> preposterous belief in American efficiency, thus many of them start with
> the racist premise that "Arabs in caves" weren't capable of the mission.
> They believe that military systems work the way Pentagon flacks say they
> should work.
>
> They appear to have read no military history, which is too bad because if
> they did they'd know that minutely planned operations -- let alone
> responses to an unprecedented emergency -- screw up with monotonous
> regularity, by reason of stupidity, cowardice, venality, weather, and all
> the other whims of providence.
>
> The 9/11 nuts proffer what they demurely call "disturbing questions",
> though they disdain all answers but their own. They seize on
> coincidences, and force them into sequences they deem to be logical and
> significant. Apparent anomalies that seem to nourish their theories are
> brandished excitedly; testimony that undermines their theories -- like
> witnesses of a large plane hitting the Pentagon -- is contemptuously
> brushed aside.
>
> Of course it's very probable that the FBI or U.S. military intelligence,
> even the CIA, had penetrated the Al Qaeda team planning the 9/11 attacks;
> that intelligence reports -- some are already known -- piled up in various
> Washington bureaucracies pointing to the impending onslaught and even the
> manner in which it might be carried out.
>
> The history of intelligence operations is profuse with examples of
> successful intelligence collection, but also of fatal slowness to act on
> that intelligence, along with eagerness not to compromise the security and
> future usefulness of the informant, who has to buttress credentials by
> even pressing for prompt action by the plotters. Sometime an undercover
> agent will actually propose an action, either to deflect efforts away from
> some graver threat, or to put the plotters in a position where they can be
> caught red-handed. In their penetrations of environmental groups the FBI
> certainly did this.
>
> One notorious "deductive" leap involves flight 77, which on 9/11 ended up
> crashing into the Pentagon. There are photos of the impact of the
> "object" -- i.e., the Boeing 757, flight 77 -- that seem to show the sort
> of hole a missile might make. Ergo, the nuts assert, it WAS a missile and
> a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon.
>
> As regards the hole, my brother Andrew -- writing a book about Rumsfeld
> and the DOD during his tenure -- has seen photos taken within 30 minutes
> of the Pentagon impact, clearly showing outline of an entire plane,
> including the wings. This was visible momentarily when the smoke blew
> away.
>
> And if it was a missile, what happened to the 757? Did the conspirators
> shoot it down somewhere else, or force it down and then kill the
> passengers? Why plan to demolish the towers with pre-placed explosives if
> your conspiracy includes control of the two planes that hit them? Why
> bother with the planes at all? Why blame Osama if your fall guy is Saddam
> Hussein?
>
> The nuts ignore obvious crimes and blunders. They scorn the notion that
> the WTC towers crashed down because they were badly built as a consequence
> of corruption, incompetence, regulatory evasions by the Port Authority,
> and because they were struck by huge planes loaded with jet fuel. No,
> they fell because Dick Cheney's agents methodically planted demolition
> charges in the preceding days. It was a conspiracy of thousands, all of
> whom -- party to mass murder -- have held their tongues ever since.
>
> The towers did not suddenly collapse, as if triggered by a demolition
> fuse. As discussed in Wayne Barrett's and Dan Collins' excellent book,
> 'Grand Illusion', about Rudy Giuliani and 9/11, helicopter pilots radioed
> warnings nine minutes before the final collapse that the South Tower might
> well go down and, repeatedly, as much as 25 minutes before the North
> Tower's fall. A structural engineer in the North Towers similarly advised
> police he thought the structure might well be fatally compromised and
> would soon drop.
>
> What Barrett and Collins brilliantly show are the actual corrupt
> conspiracies on Giuliani's watch: the favoritism to Motorola which saddled
> the firemen with radios that didn't work; the ability of the Port
> Authority to skimp on fire protection, the mayor's catastrophic failure in
> the years before 9/11/2001 to organize an effective unified emergency
> command that would have meant that cops and firemen could have
> communicated; that many firemen wouldn't have unnecessarily entered the
> Towers; that people in the Towers wouldn't have been told by 911 emergency
> operators to stay in place; and that firemen could have heard the
> helicopter warnings and the final Mayday messages that prompted most of
> the NYPD men to flee the Towers.
>
> That's the real political world, in which Giuliani and others have never
> been held accountable. The nuts disdain the real world, because -- like
> much of the left and liberal sectors -- they have promoted Bush, Cheney
> and the neocons to an elevated status as the Arch Demons of American
> history, instead of being just one more team running the American empire,
> a team of more than usual stupidity and incompetence (characteristics I
> personally favor in imperial leaders).
>
> The conspiracy nuts have combined to produce a huge distraction.
>
> <...>
>
> Now for Manuel Garcia, Jr. Manuel wrote an interesting piece for our site
> last year on the collapse of the levees in New Orleans after hurricane
> Katrina. He's a native New Yorker who works as a physicist at the
> Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, with a Ph.D. -- in
> Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering -- from Princeton University. His
> technical interests are generally in fluid flow and energy, specifically
> in gas dynamics and plasma physics; and his working experience includes
> measurements on nuclear bomb tests, devising mathematical models of
> energetic physical effects, and trying to enlarge a union of weapons
> scientists. Today, he believes an immediate shift to green energy
> technologies should be the highest political and technical priority, to
> both quench the global class war and to quickly achieve the UN's
> Millennium Development Goals. Like his father, Manuel too is an amateur
> poet.
>
> Here's his take, as outlined in his letter to me:
>
> <...>
>
> Manuel Garcia, Jr. <garcia22@mail. llnl.gov> wrote:
>
> Your piece, The 9-11 Conspiracy Nuts, was right on target, to my way of
> thinking. It is so easy to spin conspiracies when you ignore Occam's
> Razor and pile on assumptions to preserve an underlying bias, despite
> facts and historical experience.
>
> As you note, anyone who has read any military history will know how easily
> it is for plans to be scrambled by human failings, the unexpected forces
> of nature and what can only be called the caprices of fate. Robust plans
> are really very simple, and they rely on individuals who are well trained
> to be able to apply that training, and the resources at their disposal, as
> the opportunities of the moment allow, in order to advance a tactical
> objective.
>
> One item I have thought about is the contention that the WTC buildings
> collapsed at terminal velocity (free fall), and that this must indicate
> the use of pre-placed explosives, as in building demolitions. The
> assumption in this claim is that the collapse 'should have' been slower if
> the frame below the descending collapse front was intact and thus
> 'resisting'.
>
> I have not done any engineering calculations on this, however, I can see
> how the buildings could collapse as observed, without invoking a
> conspiracy of sabotage ... even for WTC 7, the shorter building that did
> not suffer an airplane strike.
>
> I think it possible for shock waves to have run up and down the buildings,
> bouncing between the collapse front and the foundation, and these shock
> waves could have weakened -- possibly at points broken -- the bolts and
> rivets holding the joints of the framework.
>
> This is not an esoteric idea, it would occur in auto crashes (tests and
> accidents), and can probably be observed in computer simulations. Modern
> autos are designed to have crushable ends, to absorb the energy of impact
> preferentially, thus sparing the passenger compartment. It is unlikely
> that any such consideration went into the design of the metalwork of the
> World Trade Center buildings. Their frames were probably of a uniform
> rigidity, and a sharp impact anywhere would necessarily send out stress or
> shock waves, as the transient response of the structure seeking to
> equilibrate to the force of a new loading.
>
> This is like striking a bell. It 'rings'at a frequency characteristic of
> its rigidity and shape, and it eventually spreads the stress of the new
> load throughout itself, as an additional stress if it is a constant load
> (like a new weight), or an added amount of heat -- what the bouncing
> vibrations devolve to -- if the load was a transient blow. So, it might
> be that the WTC buildings 'shattered' -- perhaps not perfectly like a
> bullet through a glass pane (imagine seeing one of Egerton's high speed
> film clips) but more like the shattering of the safety glass of an
> automobile windshield (with plastic sheeting bonded between layers of
> glass).
>
> The collapse of the heat-weakened frame (blast and heat from airplane fuel
> tank explosions and fires, fed by plastic furnishings in the offices) at
> the impact zone would be the onset of an impulsive load on the lower
> structure, as the descending mass of the top floors collapsed the impact
> zone. The sudden imposition of the momentum of the top floors -- our
> hammer -- onto the structure below the impact zone was too sudden for the
> structure to resist by a uniform increase in the stress throughout the
> body of the metal framework, impact zone-to-bottom. So, the entire force
> of resistance would be carried by a short length of structure (perhaps
> only a few floors, even one) immediately below the impact zone, and this
> might have fatally ruptured local joints -- our shattering effect. This
> local stress concentration would race along the structure, moving the high
> stress condition to fresh material.
>
> Thus, each section of the lower structure would experience a brief time of
> extremely high stress as the wave passed through it. On reaching the
> foundation, it would shake the ground -- basically, an earthquake -- and
> part of the energy would also reflect back up the structure. In this way,
> the shrinking length of the lower structure would be experiencing a likely
> increase in both the average level of stress, as well as more frequent
> passage of shock waves across any given floor. The final impact of the
> collapsed mass into the foundation would send the energy radially outward
> through the ground as an earthquake (the deflection of the ground in
> resistance to the momentum of the fall).
>
> I think WTC7 could have collapsed as a result of weakening by fires,
> caused by falling burning debris, and the earthquakes from the collapse of
> the tall towers. I am sure these effects can be calculated, probably by
> engineers and scientists who study the mechanics and dynamics of complex
> structures under earthquake loading.
>
> To offer this hypothesis as a "proof" would require such calculations,
> which could be verified by others. I am not able to produce that level of
> verification, so I leave this as a suggestion, within the spirit of
> Occam's Razor, of seeking explanations for the WTC building collapses that
> require the fewest number of ad hoc assumptions (e.g., no conspiracies) .
>
> The essential point here is that buildings, bridges and other extended
> structures can be seen as antennas that pick up and transmit mechanical
> vibrations. A famous example is the collapse of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge
> in 1937, by the action of wind vortexes shed at the resonance frequency of
> the bridge (you can find the film clip on the internet). Like any bell,
> each structure has its natural frequency, and if a force strikes it in
> harmony with that frequency (synchronously, or at the resonance frequency)
> then the transmission of energy from the load to the structure is very
> efficient (mathematically, it is perfect at resonance).
>
> During the sequence of forcings that occurred during the collapse of the
> three WTC buildings, there may have been some nearly resonant transfers of
> mechanical energy, and these may have created 'explosive' levels of stress
> at enough joints to shatter the framework sufficiently that the collapses
> we observed were of already-broken buildings.
>
> Your larger point is most important. Conspiracy ravings and other
> distractions into irrationality and fantasy sap energy and focus that
> could be used to better effect, both personal and social. There really
> are some conspiracies out there, but the worst ones are all too easily
> seen -- power does not depend on subtlety.
>
> Conspiracy ravings and other distractions into irrationality sap energy.
>
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9. The Five Dancing Jews
Posted by: "Pay_the_Piper" pay_the_piper@shaw.ca
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:58 pm (PDT)
They were practicing for "Fiddler on the Roof: The Seqel"
PtP
----- Original Message -----
From: Naveed
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Fw: Some '9/11 Truth' Errors De-Bunked
WHAT BOUT THE 5 dancing israelis video taping the first plane and celebrating about it????????
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10. Re: THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE
Posted by: "Kevin Lee Hammond" exposethenewworldorder@yahoo.com exposethenewworldorder
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:07 pm (PDT)
This is very, very interesting Mr White. Thank you very much. It is appreciated.
Kevin
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11. [Bush_Be_Gone] The unfinished story of Lucky Larry.
Posted by: "Scott Peden" scotpeden@cruzio.com scotpeden
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:21 pm (PDT)
Thanks Linda,
Good food for thought, though we still have to prove the inside job without
the help of the media or the Justice Department, or any of the US government
that is in terror of those who did the terrorist acts, as obviously, killing
people doesn’t bother them if BIG money is involved.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bush_Be_Gone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bush_Be_Gone@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Linda G. Richard
Subject: [Bush_Be_Gone] The unfinished story of Lucky Larry.
You've got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of
$124 Million
Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire
WTC complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That was the first time
in its 33-year history the complex had EVER changed ownership.
Mr. Silverstein's first order of business as the new owner was to change the
company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security
company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush's brother,
Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin's cousin, Wirt Walker
III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom
provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered
Dulles International Airport and United Airlines — two key players in the
9/11 attacks.
The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp.,
also linked for many years to the Bush family. KuwAm has been linked to the
Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a
member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on
the board of Stratesec.
Now, consider: The members of a small cabal owned the WTC complex,
controlled its electronic security, and also controlled the security not
only for one of the airlines whose aircraft were hijacked on 9/11, but the
airport from which they originated.
Another little "coincidence" -- Mr. Silversten, who made a down-payment of
$124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7
Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against "terrorist attacks".
Following the attacks, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the
maximum amount of the policy ($7B), based on the two -- in Silverstein's
view -- separate attacks. The insurance company, Swiss Re, paid Mr.
Silverstein $4.6 Billion — a princely return on a relatively paltry
investment of $124 million.
There's more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum
we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center --
subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never
functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the
rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have
been ignorant of this?
The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most
of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared
to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was
well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell.
For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur,
attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for
liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem.
Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing
until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers
floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from
demolishing the buildings.
The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the
scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!
In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient
that an unexpected "terrorist" attack demolished the buildings completely.
WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same
insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT
struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day
into its own footprint at freefall speed — exactly in the manner of the Twin
Towers.
How could this have happened? Mr. Silverstein gave the world the answer when
he slipped up during a PBS television interview a year later, on 9/11/2002:
"I remember getting a call from the...er...fire department commander,
telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the
fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest
thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched
the building collapse."
As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, "Pull" is
common industry jargon for a controlled demolition.
One thing is for sure, the decision to 'pull' WTC 7 would have delighted
many people. Especially because it has been reported that thousands of
sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history —
including Enron and WorldCom -- were stored in the offices of some of the
building's tenants:
US Secret Service
NSA
CIA
IRS
BATF
SEC
NAIC Securities
Salomon Smith Barney
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
Federal Home Loan Bank
The Securities and Exchange Commission has not quantified the number of
active cases in which substantial files were destroyed by the collapse of
WTC 7. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports
estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry
into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial
public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at
the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work
is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger
& Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."
Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about
WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade
Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center. The bank says that
back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000
were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.
Inside WTC 7 was the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than
200 employees. "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our
cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special
Agent David Curran.
What a neat, complete, and fortuitous turn of events was 9/11.
Incidentally, it's worth noting that one of Lucky Larry's closest friends —
a person with whom it's said he speaks almost daily by phone — is none other
than former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
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12. Fwd: [ParanoidTimes] Alex Jones' Ground Zero Report and 9/11 news
Posted by: "Kevin Lee Hammond" exposethenewworldorder@yahoo.com exposethenewworldorder
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:28 pm (PDT)
shane_digital <shane_digital@yahoo.com> wrote: To: ParanoidTimes@yahoogroups.com
From: "shane_digital" <shane_digital@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:50:41 -0000
Subject: [ParanoidTimes] Alex Jones' Ground Zero Report and 9/11 news around the world the truth is out!
Alex Jones' Ground Zero Report and 9/11 news around the world the
truth is out!
We have made available the MP3 of the entire Alex Jones Show today
because of the importance of the broadcast. Alex is back in the studio
to discuss his role in the 9/11 anniversary protests, and is joined by
several truth activists who were there with him including Jason Bermas
from the Loose Change crew. Also featured is a short interview with
BBC reporter Greg Palast, who is being criminally charged with
unauthorized filming of a "critical national security structure" in
Louisiana.
> VIDEO: Alex Jones @ Ground Zero
> VIDEO: Alex Jones & Truth Activists Protest Elliot Spitzer
> VIDEO: Venezuela's Chavez says Bush planned 9/11 attacks
> Norwegian imam: Muslims not behind 9/11
> UNH backs prof with controversial views on Sept. 11
> French Newspaper Le Monde Covers 9/11 Truth
> Internet gives voice to 9/11 'truth seekers'
> HIT PIECE: Attack sparked an industry for conspiracies
> It's 9/11, stay aware
> VIDEO: Alex Jones, Protesters Confront CFR Globalists
> PHOTOS: 9/11 Truthers at Ground Zero
> Alex Jones Bullhorning at the WTC
> Empty Words: No Longer Believable
> VIDEO: David Ray Griffin BBC interview about 9/11
> Pyroclastic Flows - 9/11's `Smoking Gun'
> Loose Change on Paula Zahn
all this here:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
Got flooded with news submissions today. I would encourage everyone to
make use of the blogs section to post and discuss news as we can't
give each of these submissions the attention they deserve at the rate
they are coming in.
(image courtesy of louder than words)
Loose Change Creators post Photos and Commentary from 5th Anniversary
Massive Protests at Ground Zero with Alex Jones on a bullhorn:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5318381050582557158
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2058900307247947089
9/11 Mysteries available on google video:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7143212690219513043
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-999558027849894376
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1162851149755261569
9/11:Press for Truth on google video:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1016720641536424083
New first hand footage from 9/11 in NYC: September 11, 2001: What We Saw
Revver.com .MOV
Google video
Dutch program Zembla investigates 9/11 theories - streaming video
One of the more interesting moments in this documentary (about
46:25 minutes into it) is when they ask demolition expert Danny
Jowenko (who has his own demolition firm and reportedly has been
active in this business for 27 years) to comment on videos of the
collapse of the Twin Towers and WTC 7. His response to the WTC 7 video:
"This is controlled demolition".
Dutch 'Metro' paper publishes 2 pages on 9/11 skepticism (translation)
9/11: Press for Truth Premeir in Decatur, GA - bravenewtheaters.com
Enough of the 9/11 Conspiracies, Already - progressive.org
Brad Blog editor reviews 9/11:Press for Truth
Oliver Stone hints at darker 9/11 film in future
Five years later, 9/11 doubters linger - Aspen Daily News
VIDEO: The Debate: Loose Change Vs. Popular Mechanics
Rush Limbaugh fields Caller who says 9/11 an inside job
9/11 Truth Movement Needs Legal Action Group
thanks to kim, stuart, barry, JT, Kev, Sam L, johan, road66, david,
Michael, Paul, and others for the submissions!!
all this here:
http://www.911blogger.com/
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13. cops
Posted by: "Jolly Roger" internetspies@yahoo.com internetspies
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:40 pm (PDT)
Read something very interesting at prison planet -- In my account of the ground zero action I mentioned that I had a feeling the cops were on our side -- Alex Jones says he has vidoe of one of them saying "thank you, we appreciate your investigation, keep it up" --- or something to that effect, and that many of the cops there shared that same opiion. I thought it was weird how they were escorting us around -- almost like they were protecting us rather then being ready to taser and mace us.
As it turns out, a lot of cops (and rescue workers) are suffering from luing damage because the feds lied about the air quality --- so we may have picked up an important ally in this struggle. I think the cops really are on our side, but they're just not allowed to talk about it.
A few days ago I read somewhere that some military brass ignored Rummy when he told them to send troops into Iraq (or possibly Afghanistan).
These events are very significant, and the best thing we could hope for --- it means we can reach a peaceful solution, an no dissenters will be "rounded up." We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
everyone who knows the truth is on our side.
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14. Wake Up and Smell the Cordite (USS Cole Caper)
Posted by: "shaman_nation" edward19@cox.net shaman_nation
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:36 am (PDT)
Wake Up and Smell the Cordite (USS Cole Caper)
http://www.signs-of-the-
times.org/signs/editorials/signs_WakeUpAndSmellTheCordite.php
Signs of the Times
Joe Quinn
09/02/2006
al-Badawi. Do you recognise that name? Didn't think so. He's one of
the people that the US government alleges carried out a suicide bomb
attack on the USS Cole as it sat at a Yemeni harbor in 2000. The
official story goes that Badawi and his accomplices purchased a small
boat, loaded it with 500lbs of explosives and some ready-made suicide
bombers who then drove it alongside the Cole while it was docked
and...Kaboom. Here's a photo of the damage.
Note the lack of blast damage to the ship around the hole that we are
told was caused by 500lbs of conventional explosives. For some
reason, that hole reminds me of a WWII movie? Hang on, it's coming
back to me, yes, I can see it now, a white trail rocketing towards a
ship, just below the surface of the water. Then an explosion at the
water line and a relatively neat round hole in the hull. Yes indeed,
military explosives are so very efficient. But no, my eyes must be
deceiving me, it was a dingy-load of fertilizer that did it.
Just for comparison, here's an image of just some of the damage done
by a conventional 500lb bomb (the type used by "terrorists") that was
detonated in London's financial district in 1996.
As it turns out, unnamed "officials" at the time of the attack on the
Cole were also fairly skeptical of the official story, and were more
inclined to think that the damage done to the Cole was the result of
military hardware:
Officials said examination of the Cole indicated that the explosive
used was even more sophisticated than initially thought. The
penetrating force and the damage deep in the interior strongly
suggested that the bomb was a "shaped charge," designed to focus the
explosion rather than allow it to spread in all directions, as with a
typical truck bomb, officials said.
"With every piece of information, it becomes a more sophisticated
operation," one official said.
The officials have not disclosed the specific type of device used,
though the use of a directed explosive led to speculation that the
device operated like an warhead. Such a device is a more
sophisticated weapon than those used by most terrorist organizations,
and possibly came from a military stockpile.
Despite this, the image of a bunch of wild-eyed "terrorists" sitting
atop 500lbs of cow manure in a dingy, and somehow slinking up to the
side of the Cole undetected, persisted and was successfully implanted
in the minds of the world's citizens. How could such a thing have
possibly happened? Well, initially by way of good old-fashioned lies:
Adm. Vernon Clark, the chief of naval operations, had argued that
because the small boat was involved in the mooring, the crew of the
Cole "had no reason to suspect . . . that there was anything to be
suspicious about," as he put it in an interview on "The NewsHour with
Jim Lehrer" last week.
"The reason that a ship, a small boat like this, could get in this
proximity to the USS Cole is that it was part of the party, the
support party that was assisting the ship in tying up to their
berthing position," Clark said in an interview with CBS News.
Later however, other Navy officials made a fool of the good Admiral
by reporting that the Cole had been berthed for more than 90 minutes
before the explosion occurred, leaving no apparent reason as to how
the alleged boat bombers could have got so close to the ship. That
is, if there were any boat bombers at all.
The BBC also reported on the type of explosives used stating
that: "the [Yemeni] president said samples of explosives taken from
the destroyer had been identified by US investigators as of a type
available only in Israel, the USA, and two Arab countries" (two Arab
countries that get it from the US or Israel) .
The Yemeni President, Ali Abdallah Salih, further stated: "we believe
Israel might be involved in such incidents."
Not long thereafter however, the Yemeni President seemed to fall in
line with the official story and claimed that Yemeni officials
had "found the boat" (amazingly durable these dingys) and various
other pieces of evidence that proved that a group of al-Qaeda
terrorists carried out the attack. Yemeni officials even stated that
the "terrorists" had tried to bomb the destroyer USS 'The Sullivans'
while it was in the same Yemeni port earlier in 2000, but on that
occasion, the terrorists' dingy full of fertilizer sank before they
could carry out their misguided attack. A core benefit of the attack
on the Cole is to found in the fact that then Defense Secretary
William S. Cohen used it to further establish Bin Laden as arch
terror chief. Cohen stated: "investigators were looking at anti-
Western guerrilla groups, including exiled Saudi dissident Osama bin
Laden."
Further investigations into the Cole attack eventually turned up a
group of likely suspects, many of whom were veteran Muslim fighters
of the war in Afghanistan and Bosnia where they had essentially been
recruits of the CIA. Coincidence?
The success of the Islamic Revolution in Iran in 1979 and the
international jihad against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan promoted
by the covert action division of the USA's Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA), with the help of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI)
of Pakistan, led to many negative consequences, which ultimately
contributed to the Pakistan-Afghanistan region emerging as the
epicentre of punishment terrorism of the most ruthless kind motivated
by pan-Islamic ideas.
[...] to rally round the Muslims of the world against the USSR, the
CIA consciously encouraged religious fanaticism and pan-Islamism. The
intelligence agencies of the US and the West European countries
encouraged jobless Muslims in many countries to go to Pakistan,
undergo military training in the newly sprung-up Wahabi-Deobandi
madrasas and join the Afghan Mujahideen. Between 6,000 and 10,000
Muslims, the majority of them Arabs, went and fought against the
Soviet troops in Afghanistan, with Saudi Arabia funding them, the ISI
training and motivating them and the CIA and other Western
intelligence agencies equipping them.
Osama bin Laden, then a blue-eyed boy of the CIA, played an active
role in the training and motivation of these mercenaries and led them
to battle against the Soviet troops. In addition to the Arabs,
jobless Muslims from the Jammu & Kashmir State of India, Bangla Desh,
the Arakan area of Myanmar, Southern Philippines, Malaysia and
Indonesia were also encouraged by the CIA to join this mercenary
brigade. Fourthly, faced with the increasing difficulties encountered
by its Slav troops in countering the CIA-instigated pan-Islamic
mercenaries, Moscow started sending to Afghanistan the Muslim members
of its Armed Forces recruited from the Central Asian Republics
(CARs), Chechnya and Dagestan. These troops got infected by the pan-
Islamism of the CIA's mercenaries.
[...] a number of new pan-Islamic organisations of Wahabi-Deobandi-
Ahle Hadith orientation sprang up in Pakistani soil and these were
given the leadership role by the US for leading the mercenary brigade
to battle. The most important amongst them were the Harkat-ul-
Mujahideen (HUM), the Harkat-ul-Jihad-Al-Islami (HUJI) and the
Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET). The HUM and the HUJI were born out of the SSP
and shared its anti-Shia orientation. All these organisations were
favoured by Zia and his ISI. The HUM, which produced some of the best
fighters of the Afghan war, was favoured by the CIA and got the
lion's share of the Stinger missiles, explosives and other equipment.
Towards the end of the 1980s, the HUM and the HUJI merged to form the
Harkat-ul-Ansar (HUA) and separated again in 1998 after the USA
designated the HUA as a foreign terrorist organisation under a 1996
law in October,1997. The Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) was formed in the
beginning of 2000 by a split in the HUM. After the withdrawal of the
Soviet troops in 1988, the USA lost interest in Afghanistan and left
the mercenary brigade in the lurch.
Promises made to these jobless Muslims at the time of their
recruitment that after the war in Afghanistan was over, they would be
helped to re-settle in the USA with lucrative jobs were not kept up.
Some of these mercenaries went back to their country of origin and
joined the fundamentalist groups in fighting against their
Governments (examples: Algeria, Tunisia and Egypt). Others stayed
behind and were diverted to J&K by the ISI. The HUM and the HUJI were
used by the ISI to rally round the dregs of the war of the 1980s and
divert them to India. They did so very successfully. But, at the same
time, they promoted jihad in Chechnya and Dagestan in Russia,
Xinjiang in China, in the newly-independent CARs, in Bangladesh, in
the Arakan area of Myanmar and in the Southern Philippines. The HUJI
took over the leadership of the jihadi elements in Bangladesh and the
HUM in the rest of the world, including the USA. HUM cadres fought
actively against the US Marines in Somalia.
Not having learnt any lessons from the sequel to its policy of
encouraging fanaticism and pan-Islamism in Afghanistan and despite
the humiliation inflicted on the US troops in Somalia by the HUM in
1993, the CIA asked the ISI to divert part of the dregs of the HUM
and the HUJI to Bosnia to assist the Muslims there in their fight
against the Serbs.
The USA was aware of the presence and activities of bin Laden in
Afghan territory since July 1996, but did not move vigorously against
him as long as it was hopeful of getting the assistance of the
Taliban for the construction of the oil and gas pipeline from
Turkmenistan to Pakistan through the Herat area of Afghanistan by
UNOCAL, the powerful American company. It moved seriously against bin
Laden only after UNOCAL withdrew from the project and after he had
formed the International Islamic Front and issued in 1998 his first
fatwa against the US
With all of the above in mind, consider the following information
culled from news reports since the attack on the Cole:
"Six Yemeni suspects in the bombing of the USS Cole have been
identified by sources close to the investigation, who say they share
a background as fighters in the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan in the
1980s. Jamal al-Badawi, the most senior of the 6 suspects jailed in
Yemen told investigators he received telephone instructions for the
Oct. 12 bombing from a man in the United Arab Emirates, the Yemeni
sources said.. Al-Badawi said he had met the man in Afghanistan
during the war but had not seen him since, the sources said."
"Investigators in Yemen say they hold six suspects in the bombing of
the USS Cole. All six are said to be Yemeni veterans of the Afghan
war against the Soviets. The main suspect was identified as Jamal al-
Badawi.""The network also said another suspect, Jamal al-Badawi,
admitted to investigators he trained in bin Laden's guerrilla camps
in Afghanistan and was sent with bin Laden's forces to fight in
Bosnia's civil war. ABC News said the suspects' stories provide the
first direct links between bin Laden and the Cole bombing."
Jamal al-Badawi, regarded as the most senior of the Cole suspects who
have been arrested, told investigators that he received telephone
instructions for the bombing from Mohammed Omar al-Harazi in the
United Arab Emirates. Badawi said he had originally met Harazi in
Afghanistan during the war.
According to US officials, Harazi, who sometimes uses the names Abdul
Rahman Hussein al-Nashari or al-Nassir, is a cousin of the suicide
bomber who blew up the US embassy in Nairobi in 1998. He had been a
regular visitor to Aden but disappeared four days before the attack
on the USS Cole.
So we have a mastermind of the Cole bombing - "al Nashari", who
is "chief of operations in the Persian Gulf " no less, or so we are
told. Al Nashari was in fact captured in 2002 for his alleged part in
the Cole attack. During his trial in 2004 defence lawyers presented
evidence that the then Yemeni Foreign Minister had given al Nashiri a
high level security clearance:
Cole Attack Suspect 'Had Top-Level Security Clearance
Khaled Al-Mahdi, Arab News
SANAA, 26 August 2004 — A lawyer defending five Yemenis charged with
the October 2000 attack on the warship USS Cole told a court in Sanaa
yesterday that authorities had granted a security clearance to the
main suspect in the attack.
The lawyer, Abdul-Aziz Al-Samawi, presented a document to the court
giving the suspected mastermind of the attack Abdul-Raheem Al- Nashri
a permit to pass military checkpoints without being subjected to
inspection.
Al-Samawi said the laissez passer was issued by the office of the
former Interior Minister Hussein Muhammad Arab.
Al-Nashri and five other Yemenis were charged with the attack when
the trial began on July7 . Five of the suspects were present in the
court, while Al-Nashri is being tried in absentia.
Al-Nashiri is also suspected of involvement in attacks on the US
embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August 1998 that killed224 people,
and in the October 2002 attack on the French supertanker Limburg off
south Yemen in which one Bulgarian crew member was killed and 12 were
wounded.
Washington has accused Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden of ordering
the attack. Bin Laden applauded the bombing in remarks broadcast on
Al-Jazeera TV in February2001 but denied his involvement.
Now let's think about this. A known terrorist was given a high level
security clearance by the Yemeni government which facilitated him in
planning the attack on the Cole. Which would mean that the Yemeni
government was openly siding with anti-American terrorists. The
strange thing is that in the aftermath of the attack on the Cole, the
American government did not accuse the Yemeni government of
supporting terrorism but instead called it a "partner in the war on
terror". To make matters worse, and as we have seen, the Yemeni
president initially came out and blamed Israel for the attack.
A logical explanation for this is that the Yemeni government gave
free pass to the "terrorists" because said terrorists were working
(either consciously or unconsciously) for the CIA and/or the Israeli
Mossad and the Yemeni government was instructed to allow these
terrorists to do their jobs, their job being to create the appearance
of a terrorist attack on the USS Cole. I say "appearance" because it
is quite clear that a dingy-full of fertilizer with a couple of
Jihadists perched on top definitely did NOT do the damage to the USS
Cole.
Unfortunately, al-Nashari has never been available to give evidence
at the trials that have taken place since his capture and therefore
never had a chance to tell us who he really works for. The reason is
that the CIA have disappeared him into one of their black holes of
rendition. How unfortunate for the rest of us who would like to know
what is really going on behind the "war on terror". Yet how fortunate
for the American and Israeli governments who seem to have an awful
lot to hide.
So we are left then with al Nashari's protege, the abovementioned al-
Badawi.
Now al-Badawi's story is a very interesting one. He was already in
custody in Yemen in January 2001. Then in April 2003 he, along with 9
other suspects in the bombing of the Cole, escaped from
their "tightly guarded intelligence building" either by breaking a
window or digging a hole, no one seems quite sure. Indeed, there
seemed to be more than a little suspicion that the escapees, like al
Nashari, had inside help, hence the reluctance of Yemeni officials to
comment on the matter at the time.
Fortunately, Badawi was recaptured in May 2003. Then, in September
2004, along with his disappeared mentor al Nashari, Badawi was
sentenced to death by a court in Yemen for his alleged part in the
bombing of the Cole. Badawi's lawyers successfully appealed, and in
February 2005, his sentence was commuted to 15 years in jail.
Then, Badawi escaped again last week.
USS Cole plotter escapes prison
Sunday, February 5, 2006;
(CNN) -- Interpol has issued "an urgent global security alert" after
23 "dangerous individuals" -- including a man identified as the
mastermind of the attack on the USS Cole in 2000 -- escaped from a
Yemeni prison.
The international crime-fighting organization said Sunday at least 13
of the 23 who escaped Friday were "convicted al Qaeda terrorists,
some of whom were involved in attacks on U.S. and French ships in
2000 and 2002."
"Al Qaeda terrorists have been deemed a serious threat to the entire
world community by the U.N. Security Council, by Interpol and by a
wide range of countries," Interpol Secretary General Ronald K. Noble
said in the statement.
They escaped via a 140-meter (150-yard) -long tunnel "dug by the
prisoners and co-conspirators outside," Interpol said.
"Their escape cannot be considered an internal problem for Yemen
alone."
Among the escapees was Jamal Ahmed Badawi, considered the mastermind
behind the attack on the USS Cole on October 12, 2000.
This time, there seems little doubt that he had inside help
Al-Qaida escapees may have had inside help
By AHMAD AL-HAJ
Associated Press
2/7/2006 SAN'A,
Yemen - Investigators are looking into the possibility that Yemeni
intelligence officers helped 23 al-Qaida prisoners - including a
militant convicted in the 2000 USS Cole bombing - escape from an
underground prison beneath a heavily guarded security headquarters,
officials said Monday.
The prisoners escaped Friday, apparently by digging a tunnel some 180
yards long that emerged at a mosque, the security officials said.
It was not the first major prison escape for al-Qaida militants. At
least four members of the group broke out of a prison at Bagram, the
main U.S. base in Afghanistan in July. Among them was Omar al-Farouq,
a top leader of al-Qaida in Southeast Asia.
Geez! You'd think the US military would keep a better eye on these
evil terrorists that are threatening all of our lives.
An investigation headed by the Yemeni interior minister has begun
questioning intelligence officers, government and security officials
said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not
authorized to divulge details on the probe.
"It couldn't have happened without the coordination of high ranking
officers in the intelligence," said one official. He pointed to
possible militant infiltration of the intelligence agency, saying
hundreds of Yemenis who fought in Afghanistan in the 1980s against
Russian occupation were given jobs with the security forces when they
returned.
"It is no surprise that many of these former fighters are sympathetic
to al-Qaida," he said.
Yemen's interior ministry confirmed in a statement that the convicts
escaped from the headquarters for the political security forces. It
gave no further details.
The prison was underground in the headquarters, one of the most
heavily guarded buildings in the capital. The compound is surrounded
by a high wall and armed guards, and all roads leading to it are
blocked to vehicles.
The 23 militants, all of them convicted members of al-Qaida, were
kept in the same cell, the officials said. [...]
Among the 22 other "al-Qaeda" militants that escaped with Badawi last
week was one Fahd al-Quso, who had also escaped and been re-captured
with Badawi in 2003.
Former FBI assistant director John O Neill spent many years
attempting to understand the real nature of "Islamic terrorism" and
its threat to America. On October 14th 2000, two days after the
attack on the Cole, O Neill led a 200 strong team of FBI agents to
the site of the attack. Sadly, O Neill's investigation did not get
very far, yet it was not, as we might expect, Yemeni authorities that
stonewalled O Neill, but rather the US' own ambassador to Yemen,
Barbara Bodine. O Neill and most of his team were forced out of Yemen
by Bodine less than a month after their arrival. O Neill was
prevented from returning to Yemen by the incoming Bush
administration. Now why would the US ambassador to Yemen, and by
implication the Clinton and Bush governments, want to prevent an FBI
agent from investigating the bombing of the USS Cole? More to the
point, why would the CIA refuse to give O Neill information that
could have connected the people allegedly involved in the bombing of
the Cole and the 9/11 attacks less than a year later?
You see, Fahad al-Quso, like Badawi, was originally arrested in
December 2000 by Yemeni authorities who claimed he too was involved
in the attack on the Cole. O Neill was aware of this and was
desperate to interview the man, who he believed had important
information to divulge. Yet due to the fact that he had been
effectively barred from Yemen by his own government, O Neill could do
nothing. The really interesting point here is that the CIA already
knew that, in addition to being involved in the USS Cole bombing, al-
Quso had been at a January 2000 meeting in Malaysia with two other
alleged members of al-Qaeda by the names of Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid
Almihdhar. You probably don't remember these two names, and you
really aren't meant to, but if you were to ask Dick Cheney, for
example, he would tell you that those two "al-Qaeda" members were two
of the alleged hijackers of Flight 77 that is alleged to have hit the
Pentagon on September 11th 2001. For some reason however, the CIA
refused to provide O Neill with the information about the Malaysia
meeting, information that would probably have allowed him to connect
the people involved in the attack on the Cole to preparations for the
9/11 attacks.
Unable to take the obviously deliberate attempts to block his
investigations, O Neill resigned from the FBI in mid 2001. He was
offered and accepted a job as security chief at the WTC in New York.
He started work on the 34th Floor of the WTC North tower on September
10th 2001. He escaped the initial impact of Flight 11 into the North
tower, but was apparently killed in the collapse while helping in the
rescue attempt.
What a tangled web they weave.
The FBI was eventually allowed to interrogate Al-Quso themselves.
Guess which date they were permitted re-entry to Yemen? September
12th 2001. At the interrogation, al-Quso admitted the January 2000
Malaysia meeting with the two alleged Flight 77 hijackers. One
investigator called the missed opportunity of exposing the 9/11 plot
through al-Quso's connections "mind-boggling." Indeed, it is almost
impossible for anyone to understand how the US government could take
measures to actually facilitate the preparations for the 9/11 attacks
while at the same time claim to be fighting terrorism. What is
needed, obviously, is a restructuring of our understanding of the
nature of the "war on terror", because the understanding provided to
us by the US government simply doesn't make sense.
Coming back to the present, when they heard of the escape of these
two "key members of al-Qaeda", a few American politicians were
understandably a little nonplussed by the contrast between the US
government's claims about fighting terrorism and how easily they seem
to allow these same terrorists to escape custody. One Senator, Russ
Feingold, wrote Secretary of State Condi Rice a couple of days ago to
express his dismay:
U.S. Sen. Feingold: Letter to Rice on Yemen Prison Escape
"Al-Badawi's success in twice escaping Yemeni custody not only calls
into question our security and counter-terrorism relationship with
Yemen, but it also raises the question of whether or not we have in
place the right partnerships and relationships to ensure that known
al-Qaida operatives are successfully detained and prosecuted.
Senator Feingold is asking for a classified briefing "detailing what
is known thus far about all of the suspects, the circumstances
surrounding their detention and escape, current Yemeni and
international efforts to find and detain them, and their possible
current whereabouts and activities. In addition, I request
information about the extent to which the U.S. monitored these
detainees prior to their escape, about what actions were taken to
prevent a repeat of the escape in 2003, and about the assurances,
commitments, and cooperation that the U.S. had received from the
Yemeni government with respect to prosecuting those responsible for
the attack."
Pretty strong words. We can only imagine the stream of expletives
that Senator Feingold would direct at Condi if he knew that, in July
last year, four other "al-Qaeda terrorists" escaped custody, but this
time they escaped from a high security US military base in war-torn
Afghanistan:
"In Afghanistan, the search for the four al-Qaida members who escaped
(from a US military base) in July continues, U.S. military spokesman
Lt. Mike Cody said. In a video believed filmed in Afghanistan and
broadcast in October on Al-Arabiya, the four claimed they picked a
lock and timed the escape for a Sunday when many of the Americans on
the base were off duty."
Doesn't it just make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know that
the US government has spent billions of US taxpayers money hunting
down evil Islamic terrorists only to allow them to escape from US
military jails with a hair pin?
Perhaps if Senator Feingold was appraised of the full details of what
goes on behind the smokescreen of the phony "war on terror" he would
eventually come to the conclusion that the US government has no more
interest in successfully detaining and prosecuting "al-Qaeda
terrorists" than it has in successfully detaining and prosecuting any
other government employee - because that is exactly what your
average "al-Qaeda terrorist" is.
More than likely, you have forgotten this story:
FBI Admits: No Evidence Links 'Hijackers' to 9-11
After seven months of non-stop declarations by U.S. government
spokesmen that there exists solid proof tying 19 Muslim men to
plotting the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, FBI Director Robert Mueller
has now admitted quite the opposite. That 19 Muslim men who have
apparently disappeared have been named as the hijackers is not in
doubt. What is in doubt is whether those 19 men were actually
plotting anything, either individually or together. The amazing
possibility remains that others carried out the Sept. 11 terrorist
attacks, using the identities of the 19 Muslims who have been
assigned guilt in the tragedy.
Mueller made this claim despite the fact that in the immediate wake
of the Sept. 11 attacks, a variety of U.S. officials and media
sources speciously announced, almost instantaneously, that there was
firm evidence not only that these 19 Muslim men were agents of Osama
bin Laden's al Qaeda "network" but that they were indeed the
individuals who hijacked the doomed flights on Sept. 11. Mueller
seems to forget that early government and media reports loudly
hyped "discoveries"—letters and other documents—in the luggage and
personal belongings of the presumed hijackers which "proved" that
they were on a "mission for Allah," etc etc. Now Mueller's comments
seem to contradict everything that's been said.
And this one:
Give Him an "F" in the War on Terror
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN
and JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
George Bush, the man whose prime campaign plank has been his ability
to wage war on terror, could have had Osama bin Laden's head handed
to him on a platter on his very first day in office, and the offer
held good until February 2 of 2002. This is the charge leveled by an
Afghan American who had been retained by the US government as an
intermediary between the Taliban and both the Clinton and Bush
administrations.
In a lengthy interview and in a memorandum Kabir Mohabbat has given
us a detailed account and documentation to buttress his charge that
the Bush administration could have had Osama bin Laden and his senior
staff either delivered to the US or to allies as prisoners, or killed
at their Afghan base. As a search of the data base shows, portions of
Mohabbat's role have been the subject of a number of news reports,
including a CBS news story by Alan Pizzey aired September 25, 2001.
This is the first he has made public the full story. [...]
And this one:
Interview With Author Craig Unger
Aired October 20, 2003
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND
MAY BE UPDATED.
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: One of the little publicized stories in the
immediate aftermath of 9/11 was how the Bush administration helped
Saudi citizens leave the United States, including relatives of Osama
bin Laden and the Saudi royal family. Writer Craig Unger of "Vanity
Fair" says there's much more to this than meets the eye, the details
of which appeared in the October issue of "Vanity Fair."
The magazine article is just part Craig Unger's upcoming book, "House
of Bush, House of Saud," due to be released next spring. He's joining
us now live from New York.
It is a complex relationship between these two families, but give us
the gist. What is your worst case fear, based on the quick exodus, if
you will, of relatives of Osama bin Laden, and Saudi royal family
members in the United States in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, even
though 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis?
CRAIG UNGER, "VANITY FAIR": Right. Well, I think the key question is,
why did the Saudis get a pass? That is, immediately after any murder,
whether it is a commonplace murder or a horrible national tragedy
like 9/11, one of the first things you would do would be to talk to
the friends and relatives of the perpetrator. In this case, Osama bin
Laden. And 140 Saudis, including roughly 24 members of the bin Laden
family, left in the days following that without being seriously
interrogated. [...]
Of course, the US government will attempt to explain away these
events with stories of lax security, but rather than accepting
incredible stories of incredible incompetence as an explanation for
such incidents, why don't we just digest all that I have presented
here and come to the obvious conclusion - that US and Israeli
intelligence agencies employ, manipulate and coerce patsy Islamic
radicals to take the fall for "terror" attacks that US and Israeli
intelligence agencies carry out themselves.
Think WTC 1993
Think US embassy bombings
Think USS Cole
Think Bali bomb
Think 9/11
Think Madrid Train Bombing
Think London Tube Bombings
Think Palestinian 'Suicide' Bombings
They all bear the hallmarks of US Israeli and British intelligence
agency false flag terror Ops. It's time to wake up and smell the
cordite.
Dei Jurum Conventus
Ed Ward, MD; http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/arc_ward.htm
Independent writer/Media Liaison for The Price of Liberty;
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/
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