There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Zionism and Judaism
From: "Jolly Roger" slicingthroats@yahoo.com
2. File - psrm.pdf
From: "911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com" 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
3. Re: Zionism and Judaism
From: "mann david" dmann51@yahoo.com
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Message 1
From: "Jolly Roger" slicingthroats@yahoo.com
Date: Mon May 1, 2006 8:23am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Judaism
I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but I'm catching up on old e-mails and I became very curious about something after reading Mr. Antoky's description of Zionism, because it directly contradicts what Rabbi Weiss says about Jews returning to the homeland.
According to the Rabbi, Jews are forbidden to migrate back to the homeland until led there by the messiah, and anything they do in order to bring about such a migration is rebellion against God, and I think that would include "rising up against those who would attempt to destroy you or prevent you from achieving your legitimate objective," because he also states that Jews are to live in peace and are not to rebel against any government that hosts them. You can download Rabbi Weiss' explanation of zionism at www.iamthewitness.com
Maybe this is a mere difference of religious opinion, but the Neutrei Karta organization (nkusa.org) seems very adamant about it.
Jolly Roger -- goy from Brooklyn
also -- Angie shouldn't be banned. She's one of the original owners of this group, but she shouldn't be censoring discussion unless it's blatantly offensive, either. I don't think there's any reason that religion can't be discussed in an intelligent manner, and since there is an Israeli connection to 9-11, it's on topic, and should be discussed in the interest of educating the people who lead this movement because I believe they have some responsibility for preventing any backlash of anti-semitism that might be born out of knowledge that Israel was involved.
When the average redneck discovers the knowledge of the "dancing Israelis," he's likely to jump to the ridiculous assumption that "the Jews did 9-11," because no one I've seen that exposes the dancing Israelis, takes the time to differentiate between the state of Israel, and the Jewish people. It's just another aspect of the truth that we have to get straightened out, and since the Jewish people have suffered greatly due to zionist's ambitions in the past, we have to deal with this aspect of 9-11 truth intelligently, to prevent any misplaced anger. I would be very ashamed to be a part of this movement if it resulted in a wave of racist anti-semitism, and I think a little bit of knowledge can prevent that.
Ray Antoky <rayantoky@aol.com> wrote:
Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in an observant
family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy and practice
Judaism.
For many outsiders and non practicing Jews such as Mark Bilk, Judaism
is some incomprehensible black hole. From the inside, one attempts to
develop a relationship with the creator based on the words of the
scriptures and the commentaries. While Jews have met with and earned
great success throughout the ages they have also suffered greatly,
due to non-adherence to the tenets of our creed, so the explanation
is given.
Religious Jews always yearn for the return to Zion which would be the
reinstatement of a Jewish theocratic state charcterized with the
rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem and the coming of the Messiah
(Mashiach). It has not happened. Jews are still in exile, even those
living in the land where this redemption should take place. True
Zionism is merely yearning for this redemption to take place. Rising
up against those who would attempt to destroy you or prevent you from
achieving your legitimate objective is required. Non practicing Jews
whose motivation is unenlightened cannot represent those who
understand that salvation and reinstatement into a homeland of peace
cannot happen unless the nation of Jews is deemed worthy. If certain
Jews happen to come to a type of position of power and influence and
use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly does not entitle
them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is he a Zionist? Is
Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the Jewish members of
the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered Zionists because of
their Jewish roots?
Too much merging is going on.
As we can see from the ugly events that always seem to come to pass
in the world, mankind has a war with its evil inclination. True
Judaism encourages the conquering of that inclination.
Zionism is merely an intrinsic part of Judaism which cannot be
separated. You cannot be a true Zionist without full acceptance of
the Truth of all the commandments of the Torah and its commentaries.
This requires study and doing the research just like Charlie
Sheen 'did the research'on 9/11. Anyone else claiming to be a Zionist
is an imposter and anyone separating Zionism from Judaism does not
understand either term. True Zionism is intrinsic to Judaism, like it
or not.
Ray Antoky
Bklyn
PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly is 'worthy' of
reinstatement.
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Date: Mon May 1, 2006 8:29am(PDT)
Subject: File - psrm.pdf
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Description : This should help answer many of the questions you might have in Post-9/11 Reality
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Message 3
From: "mann david" dmann51@yahoo.com
Date: Mon May 1, 2006 8:33am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Zionism and Judaism
Well put.
--- Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but I'm
> catching up on old e-mails and I became very curious
> about something after reading Mr. Antoky's
> description of Zionism, because it directly
> contradicts what Rabbi Weiss says about Jews
> returning to the homeland.
> According to the Rabbi, Jews are forbidden to
> migrate back to the homeland until led there by the
> messiah, and anything they do in order to bring
> about such a migration is rebellion against God, and
> I think that would include "rising up against those
> who would attempt to destroy you or prevent you from
> achieving your legitimate objective," because he
> also states that Jews are to live in peace and are
> not to rebel against any government that hosts them.
> You can download Rabbi Weiss' explanation of zionism
> at www.iamthewitness.com
> Maybe this is a mere difference of religious
> opinion, but the Neutrei Karta organization
> (nkusa.org) seems very adamant about it.
> Jolly Roger -- goy from Brooklyn
>
> also -- Angie shouldn't be banned. She's one of
> the original owners of this group, but she shouldn't
> be censoring discussion unless it's blatantly
> offensive, either. I don't think there's any reason
> that religion can't be discussed in an intelligent
> manner, and since there is an Israeli connection to
> 9-11, it's on topic, and should be discussed in the
> interest of educating the people who lead this
> movement because I believe they have some
> responsibility for preventing any backlash of
> anti-semitism that might be born out of knowledge
> that Israel was involved.
> When the average redneck discovers the knowledge
> of the "dancing Israelis," he's likely to jump to
> the ridiculous assumption that "the Jews did 9-11,"
> because no one I've seen that exposes the dancing
> Israelis, takes the time to differentiate between
> the state of Israel, and the Jewish people. It's
> just another aspect of the truth that we have to get
> straightened out, and since the Jewish people have
> suffered greatly due to zionist's ambitions in the
> past, we have to deal with this aspect of 9-11 truth
> intelligently, to prevent any misplaced anger. I
> would be very ashamed to be a part of this movement
> if it resulted in a wave of racist anti-semitism,
> and I think a little bit of knowledge can prevent
> that.
>
>
> Ray Antoky <rayantoky@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Regarding the flap over Eastman and Angie.
> First of all I happen to be Jewish born, raised in
> an observant
> family, and do attend services regularly and enjoy
> and practice
> Judaism.
>
> For many outsiders and non practicing Jews such as
> Mark Bilk, Judaism
> is some incomprehensible black hole. From the
> inside, one attempts to
> develop a relationship with the creator based on the
> words of the
> scriptures and the commentaries. While Jews have met
> with and earned
> great success throughout the ages they have also
> suffered greatly,
> due to non-adherence to the tenets of our creed, so
> the explanation
> is given.
> Religious Jews always yearn for the return to Zion
> which would be the
> reinstatement of a Jewish theocratic state
> charcterized with the
> rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem and the coming
> of the Messiah
> (Mashiach). It has not happened. Jews are still in
> exile, even those
> living in the land where this redemption should take
> place. True
> Zionism is merely yearning for this redemption to
> take place. Rising
> up against those who would attempt to destroy you or
> prevent you from
> achieving your legitimate objective is required. Non
> practicing Jews
> whose motivation is unenlightened cannot represent
> those who
> understand that salvation and reinstatement into a
> homeland of peace
> cannot happen unless the nation of Jews is deemed
> worthy. If certain
> Jews happen to come to a type of position of power
> and influence and
> use that power to wreak havoc in the world certainly
> does not entitle
> them to be called Zionists. Kissinger is a Jew. Is
> he a Zionist? Is
> Wolfowitz a Zionist because he is a neocon? Are the
> Jewish members of
> the CFR whose agenda is unsanitary considered
> Zionists because of
> their Jewish roots?
> Too much merging is going on.
> As we can see from the ugly events that always seem
> to come to pass
> in the world, mankind has a war with its evil
> inclination. True
> Judaism encourages the conquering of that
> inclination.
> Zionism is merely an intrinsic part of Judaism which
> cannot be
> separated. You cannot be a true Zionist without full
> acceptance of
> the Truth of all the commandments of the Torah and
> its commentaries.
> This requires study and doing the research just like
> Charlie
> Sheen 'did the research'on 9/11. Anyone else
> claiming to be a Zionist
> is an imposter and anyone separating Zionism from
> Judaism does not
> understand either term. True Zionism is intrinsic to
> Judaism, like it
> or not.
>
> Ray Antoky
> Bklyn
>
> PS:If Eastman is 'allowed back in' Angie certainly
> is 'worthy' of
> reinstatement.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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