Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 396

Thursday, February 23, 2006

[911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 396

There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
2. Towers: O'Neill was on 34th floor
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
3. Re: Re:02/20 NYC
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
4. Anthrax Case Identified in Pennsylvania
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
5. Re: Re: 02/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
6. Webster Tarpley's Book: 2004 Edition of 9/11 Synthetic Terror in PDF Form
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
7. Re: Re:02/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
8. Re: 02/20 NYC
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
9. Troll batlle of the century
From: "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
10. Indera Re: Re: 02/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
11. Another collaborative website
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
12. Re: Re: What exactly Should Scholars For 9/11 Truth Be Doing Before The Cameras?
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
13. Re: Re:02/20 NYC
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
14. Re: Re:02/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
15. Devvy Kidd advocates Lying as "respectful" Fwd: Your Penta lawn presentation]
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:04:24 -0800
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

----- Original Message -----
From: Nico Haupt
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Cc: malaprop2@msn.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
> An: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:57:26 -0800
>

malaprop,

i generally think that the argument of what was 'risky' or not for
the 9/11 perps is pretty lame, frankly spoken.

Was the controlled demolition a "risk"?

This isn't the 'planes', which was what I was addressing.. They took actions that I see is risk-reducing. They got the job done with the methods taking the least risk.

As far as I can see, the CD was run within seconds after the collapse--enough time to check for any-tell-tale flaws, i.e., only the top 40 stories affected, or the timing is off to the point that it is plain to see a partial demolition. Just running it live w/o a delay would have been a risk.

Was faking cell phone talks a "risk"?
Not a plane, but a stupid mistake none the less.

Was any Bin laden audio/video tape a "risk"? etc... etc...

This government and their globalist payrollers can still do whatever they
want and it doesn't matter, Yes now, but not prior the attacks. Anything that plainly revealed a military operation, i.e., a malfunctioning rocket, for example.

even if bush has 15% approval.

The outcome is the same. 9/11 truth movement is clear mainstream, nothing
has changed.
The elements which they chose often had been chosen on purpose, sometimes
they maybe even didn't care. Or with the cooperation of the media assured in advance, the removal of the right people thru out, it didn't matter.

" a plane, still now and i bet $1000,
that the majority didn't even see Naudet's tape or confused it with the
second hit or even didn't see this clip at all as well. I think they all saw it the next day, as all were still pretty much glued to the set--but I don't think the majority has seen anything much of any of the clips following the first week afterwards....just reports, talking heads,

, carefully orchestrated, any analysis of any video was shut down
by 9/11 truthlings for 3-4 years. YES.

So where was the "risk"?? The risk was something terribly wrong visually exposed to all during the attacks. A missile, rocket, missing it's target......

g showing real clips.

http://www.405themovie.com/download405.asp
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Yes, I am, as this is where I am at. With it being so risk-free to use
pre-packaged video, why would they use the Naudet film of the impact?
Taking it apart, it looks like the opening could have been shot on a
Sunday or Labor Day--why would they have included an actual film when
a fake would have been so much better, and would not have looked like
possibly a missile? The smoke and fireball--how do we know that
wasn't artwork? So many of the clips of wtc2 do not match in
coloration--deliberately I suppose to make it look different cameras,
rather than different forgers.

It was shown the next morning--could they have had two clips to choose
from--one fake, one real? The whatchamacallits that are in the sky,
could these be the mark of a whistleblower, unnoticed by supervisors,
and only a researcher would discover?

The distance still should have enabled a clearer resolution than we
got. I just don't see these guys risking showing real clips.

http://www.405themovie.com/download405.asp

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosalee Grable" <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC

Brilliant

EXCEPT -- You seem to be lumping the first hit footage, which is
authentic snuff film -with the second hit cartoons.

malaprop wrote:
> Alex, and all, you gotta change your perception.
>
> We are not dealing with a government--that's their disguise. We are
> dealing with organized crime that took over the governement to
> facilitate their illegal operations, and to develop new ones. They
> do
> not care about duty honor country, and that goes for Congress, and a
> chunk of military brass. A ton of military retirements happened
> after
> 9/11, meaning the good ones left.
>
> CNN heads and other TV media are as guilty as the ones that placed
> the
> bombs, and were in on the planning as was needed to synchronize the
> event. They had to be. I'm now of the opinion, or at least
> leaning
> that way, that ALL footage seen that day prior to the collapses was
> ready-made off the shelf, some impact shots were held back to keep
> up
> a psychological fever pitch over a period of time. This was a
> script,
> and looking back I do not see them risking any snafus when deception
> is so easy. Even the "gashes" were pre-packaged, and only a
> resemblance was necessary thru bomb placement.
>
> The only planes ever seen were those on the TV screen, and anyone
> who
> suggested otherwise was ignored. The TV anchors reported what they
> saw on their monitors.
>
> I feel that all the CNN people were over time replaced with
> hand-picked Bush/elite supporters. The last thing you want around
> you is someone who thinks and "gets it", so out they go. They may
> all
> Zionists, for that matter,
>
> So that means that they will never allow let alone encourage the
> truth
> to come out about how CNN plotted against America.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:29 AM
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>
>
> A couple of thoughts:
>
> 1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be able
> to
> get some
> decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.
>
> 2) a couple of years ago, there was hardly any talk of the WTC being
> blown
> up. Now demolition is all over the place and fairly widely accepted
> by 9/11
> skeptics. I predict in another year or two, video manipulation will
> just as
> widely accepted-- if we work at it. The important thing, the video
> fakery is so
> damn obvous once you know where to look.
>
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt"
> <nicohaupt@...>
> wrote:
>
>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>>> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
>>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:59:12 -0600
>>>
>>>
>> Maybe i just needed a refreshing pusher.
>> I will not give up yet :)
>> There is also still enough space to give the perps a hard time...
>>
>> Let's work on the 'prank' soon. I have now my tv team together.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> ahem.
>>>>>
>> We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's
>> nothing
>> left to do but pray, and we're too late and too small?
>>
>> Heh.
>> Four years ago I figured there was nothing to do but pray cos we
>> were
>> too late and all there was was me - alone - having noticed there
>> was
>> no
>> plane at the first hit -- my first real clue how to dump the whole
>> frameup.
>>
>> Talk about asymmetrical odds!!
>>
>> It is four years and some later, and I am still alive, a fact that
>> amazes me all by itself.
>> We've managed to drive the lemmings back from the cliff numerous
>> times
>> while we work out how to release them from their lemming spell.
>>
>> Now we are looking forward to a national tour
>> http://911bluestour.com/
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:07:11 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Towers: O'Neill was on 34th floor

...this is a new detail for me. John O'Neill, the ex-FBI guy who was hired
as security guy for the Twin Towers had his office on 34th floor on North
Tower.

I never read about the number of his floor before.
Officially he worked for Kroll/AIG, which wasn't listed, though
AIG had their aviation brokerage in the towers.

That should be interesting regarding pre-planted explosives.

The article i'm referring to, is full of limited hangout conclusions,
so please do not distract with that here in this list.
(I recommend for 9/11-o'neill-plotline researchers http://www.wkjo.com/ )

Back to the point:
I'm curious about anything and any report, with THIS floor and also wanna
check out the tenant list again, which is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_World_Trade_Center_tenants

http://www.newcriminologist.co.uk/news.asp?id=-2128608848
22 February 2006

"...On September 10, he moves into his new office on the 34th floor of the
North Tower. That night, he tells colleague Jerry Hauer, “We're due for
something big. I don't like the way things are lining up in Afghanistan” (a
probable reference to the assassination of Afghan leader Ahmed Shah Massoud
the day before). O'Neill will be killed in the 9/11 attack. [PBS Frontline,
10/3/02 (D)]..."

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:17:31 -0800
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Re:02/20 NYC

No, of course I don't think your blind or stupid.

But my mind has a mind of it's own, and insists on going trapesing
from time to time, poking here and there. Right now it is juggling
with them having a backup copy--just in case the real one revealed
more than they wanted--finding it non-threatening decided on the real
clip. But I think they had the ability to animate everything except
the CD.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosalee Grable" <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re:02/20 NYC

I have been studying this footage close up and personal for four years
and better now....

Do you really think that I am so blind and stupid as to not be able to
pick up IN FOUR YEARS OF CLOSE STUDY if the first hit imagery was
fake?

The implicent insult to my intelligence, character and motivation
tucked
inside this particular craphead lie has managed to set off my anger
repeatedly and alienate friends.
I think I have learned my lesson now and will remain calm even tho I
percieve your tubby idea is more insulting than the insult I moderated
somebody for.

I have known I need to put words to the Missilegate, and I wrote the
words during a similarly distasteful session with Peter Meyer and Lynn
which isn't posted anywhere yet, but does need to be posted as
commentary to the missilegate frames.

These are real, authentic, WAY WAY too detailed images to have
originated as any form of animation or cartoon....
http:://thewebfairy.com/911/flyingpig/beautyshots
compare with the enlargements of the "tailfin" on the Pentagon Art
Frames.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/multiframes.htm
click any of the titles above the sets of pictures to be wisked away
to
commentary which links to enlargements of most sets of art frames.

The Beautyshots are infinitely detailed.
These are artistically enhanced enlargements at least 10,000 times
enlarged and they still show subtle character.
In the art frames, even a 300 percent enlargement of the "tailfin"
equals flat characterless monocolor.

No animation technique could do that.
It took months or years to produce a version of the Pentagon Art
Frames
which could be animated for video.

In the Missilegate Frames, The complex and peculiar nature of the
images
remains complex and peculiar no matter how they are dealt.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/missilegate/video.htm
All the cartoons show a "plane" pushed along kind of like a rubber
stamp.
Not here:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/beautyshots

Since it bothers me so bad, All the Anti_Webfairy types are going band
together to pass off that those aren't really a flock of top secret
drones, but a cartoon, just to keep the lies in play.

It is real. It is a real snuff film.
http:..911foreknowledge.com
at most they have snipped out a few frames because there are
continuity
lapses.
Whatever is there is set out to brag -- as the perps laugh cos you can
wave this stuff in front of their face and you'd rather call me an
incompetent liar than face that last straw that favors "rationality"
over reason.

If one thing is a cartoon, then everything is a cartoon is a very
primitive logic pattern for which I have no respect. It's the sort of
slimeballing I'd expect from Break For News.

malaprop wrote:
> Yes, I am, as this is where I am at. With it being so risk-free to
> use
> pre-packaged video, why would they use the Naudet film of the
> impact?
> Taking it apart, it looks like the opening could have been shot on a
> Sunday or Labor Day--why would they have included an actual film
> when
> a fake would have been so much better, and would not have looked
> like
> possibly a missile? The smoke and fireball--how do we know that
> wasn't artwork? So many of the clips of wtc2 do not match in
> coloration--deliberately I suppose to make it look different
> cameras,
> rather than different forgers.
>
> It was shown the next morning--could they have had two clips to
> choose
> from--one fake, one real? The whatchamacallits that are in the sky,
> could these be the mark of a whistleblower, unnoticed by
> supervisors,
> and only a researcher would discover?
>
> The distance still should have enabled a clearer resolution than we
> got. I just don't see these guys risking showing real clips.
>
>
>
> http://www.405themovie.com/download405.asp
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rosalee Grable" <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>
>
> Brilliant
>
> EXCEPT -- You seem to be lumping the first hit footage, which is
> authentic snuff film -with the second hit cartoons.
>
>
> malaprop wrote:
>
>> Alex, and all, you gotta change your perception.
>>
>> We are not dealing with a government--that's their disguise. We
>> are
>> dealing with organized crime that took over the governement to
>> facilitate their illegal operations, and to develop new ones. They
>> do
>> not care about duty honor country, and that goes for Congress, and
>> a
>> chunk of military brass. A ton of military retirements happened
>> after
>> 9/11, meaning the good ones left.
>>
>> CNN heads and other TV media are as guilty as the ones that placed
>> the
>> bombs, and were in on the planning as was needed to synchronize the
>> event. They had to be. I'm now of the opinion, or at least
>> leaning
>> that way, that ALL footage seen that day prior to the collapses was
>> ready-made off the shelf, some impact shots were held back to keep
>> up
>> a psychological fever pitch over a period of time. This was a
>> script,
>> and looking back I do not see them risking any snafus when
>> deception
>> is so easy. Even the "gashes" were pre-packaged, and only a
>> resemblance was necessary thru bomb placement.
>>
>> The only planes ever seen were those on the TV screen, and anyone
>> who
>> suggested otherwise was ignored. The TV anchors reported what they
>> saw on their monitors.
>>
>> I feel that all the CNN people were over time replaced with
>> hand-picked Bush/elite supporters. The last thing you want around
>> you is someone who thinks and "gets it", so out they go. They may
>> all
>> Zionists, for that matter,
>>
>> So that means that they will never allow let alone encourage the
>> truth
>> to come out about how CNN plotted against America.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
>> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:29 AM
>> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>
>>
>> A couple of thoughts:
>>
>> 1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be able
>> to
>> get some
>> decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.
>>
>> 2) a couple of years ago, there was hardly any talk of the WTC
>> being
>> blown
>> up. Now demolition is all over the place and fairly widely
>> accepted
>> by 9/11
>> skeptics. I predict in another year or two, video manipulation
>> will
>> just as
>> widely accepted-- if we work at it. The important thing, the video
>> fakery is so
>> damn obvous once you know where to look.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt"
>> <nicohaupt@...>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>>>> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
>>>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>>> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:59:12 -0600
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Maybe i just needed a refreshing pusher.
>>> I will not give up yet :)
>>> There is also still enough space to give the perps a hard time...
>>>
>>> Let's work on the 'prank' soon. I have now my tv team together.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> ahem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's
>>> nothing
>>> left to do but pray, and we're too late and too small?
>>>
>>> Heh.
>>> Four years ago I figured there was nothing to do but pray cos we
>>> were
>>> too late and all there was was me - alone - having noticed there
>>> was
>>> no
>>> plane at the first hit -- my first real clue how to dump the whole
>>> frameup.
>>>
>>> Talk about asymmetrical odds!!
>>>
>>> It is four years and some later, and I am still alive, a fact that
>>> amazes me all by itself.
>>> We've managed to drive the lemmings back from the cliff numerous
>>> times
>>> while we work out how to release them from their lemming spell.
>>>
>>> Now we are looking forward to a national tour
>>> http://911bluestour.com/
>>> To boogie our way to freedom.<<
>>>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:34:57 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Anthrax Case Identified in Pennsylvania

...this just popped up in the news. I'm not sure yet, if it has any
significance, but it's the first case in 4.4 years, where the story didn't
turn into white powderland or empty threataganda...

http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/hotnews/62h2217331128060.html
Anthrax Case Identified in Pennsylvania
02/22/2006

"...A 44-year-old New York City resident, who performed at a recent musical
event in Mansfield, TiogaCounty, has tested positive for a case of
inhalational anthrax, according to Pennsylvania Department of Health
Secretary Dr. Calvin B. Johnson.

The man is a patient at RobertPackerHospital in Sayre, BradfordCounty, and
is in stable condition. Johnson said the man poses no public health threat
of transmitting anthrax to the community or the healthcare providers caring
for him...

...The Pennsylvania Department of Health was notified by the hospital, and a
sample was sent to the DOH laboratory for further testing. On Feb. 21, the
laboratory tests detected anthrax bacteria and a public health investigation
began. Because the man is from New York City, the DOH notified the New York
City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention, and the FBI....

...At this time, there is no indication that the exposure was from an
intentional release of anthrax. The patient has a history of contact with
unprocessed animal hides and recently traveled to Africa...

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:55:11 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 02/20 NYC

This is real.
Authentic.
Bonafide.
And you are a hero to the guy who said, hell, yes! and bought the domain
and made the logo and is reaching out to his incredible network of friends.

I am in agaped wonderment that of all the humans on gods earth that
might catch video of what transpired it would be a guy who cut his teeth
on Chicago blues who used to play with Bob Dylan, among his many adventures.

Please study Holmgren's thread as tho it were a class.
It started as a mission of mercy to pull them off you, but has become an
incredible fete in the same league with what you pulled off.

Gratefully I hail eris equally in triumph and despair cos it's so hard
to tell the difference close up, and the road to one always leads thru
the other. That helps to not play yoyo emotionally.

I go to blues jams like christians go to church.
I learned their existance and value from Gerard Holmgren who's passion
for 911 research is equalled by his passion for blues forms.
This is him on the home page of my new Bluesfairy domain:
http://bluesfairy.com
By a series of miracles we discovered this intimate jewel of a blues bar
in Evanston, Illinois, of all the seemingly unlikely spots for an
outpost of blues
http://911closeup.com/blues.htm
All we had back then was Gerard's infamous cheapie camera with movie
mode that proved that even multi-purpose cameras are perfectly capable
of registering plane wings..
http://911closeup.com/planes
so certainly a professional strength documentary camera would be able to
register wings if they had been there.

I sure hope you shake yourself from your depression since you are part
of the miracle, coincidentally located within yards of the House of
Blues hotel. ~~ it's a theme in a cosmic joke -- the farking footage is
blue as all heck. If anybody ever does turn up reliable witnesses, tho
none have ever yet been seen, then I could even say we were Bluebeamed.

But instead the plan is to BluesBeam em. By the time summer rolls around
things are going to be looking pretty grim for sure. The Blues is the
music of triumph over helplessness and hopelessness and oppression, cos
that's where it was nurtured until the blessed invention of the electric
guitar.

Despite the goonieness of the blues brothers mind-meme, they really were
on a mission from god.
They learned that from the music, which remained a passion long after
they finished the stupid movie.

I don't believe in any stupid religious god. No sacrifice gods with
alters for me.

The Great Neutral Force, Aether, which is measured like acoustics are
measured and all energy is it's product. It is the force who's math
ARchimedes dealt with.
It is a math derived from careful measurements of perspective, and
extremely accurate measurements of the frequencies of sound which I
still don't understand how they could derive.
This is the math of Maxwell's missing Scalar Variables, which were
expressed in Quanternions, Archimedes measuring system, not in "numbers"
because scalars have no size. We can think of scalars as naked.

greg nixon wrote:
> Rosalee,
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> Love the idea! I can crawl back out of my depression if this is for real
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> Under their system, we get to spread a subset of information that
> puts
> us in thrll to one or another perp faction.
> Each different hangout has it's own audience and is fighting the rest
> for market share.
>
> Yes, I have a better farking plan.
> It involves harnessing the fundamental forces of the universe..
> http://911bluestour.com <http://911bluestour.com/>
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> >>>>
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> >
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> >
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:28:30 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Webster Tarpley's Book: 2004 Edition of 9/11 Synthetic Terror in PDF Form

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:29:00 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re:02/20 NYC

Idjuts from the Frameup on Humanity are blind.
Even blinder than your average schnookiedupe who isn't much at
observation either, but when it comes to brainwashed perps, they see
STRICTLY what they are told to see. Things make no impression on their
eyes. They live inside their own imagination.

IF you don't believe I am blind and stupid as it's really you being,
knock yourself out of this dreamland where you think everything has to
be "rational' as in pre-thought and predigested.
You are making me think that you are a "Jesuit Adjudicator" --since it
was your comment that (choke choke) the vatican is not perps -- that got
Captain May a high temperature roasting.

Again, ALL perplings of what every faction are going to unite on the
FICTION that the first hit is animation. You might as well show your
face now.

The missilegate frames are authentic and they show REAL CIA-style drones
running in a pack and creating gray clouds of aerosolized thermite
explosions. The existance of these drones has been bragged about even.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/uav

I hate to pull an "expert" card, but I am an unparralled and unrivaled
expert in the study of the first hit footage. Yes, it can be and has
been faked.
Marcus Icke has extremely sophisticated techniques for turning the
drones and explosives into a "plane" to suit his own diabolical need to
keep the ball in the air.
But at least he documented his techniques carefully, so we have a clear
record of how images could be faked if they were.

I can do hyper-enlargements of Marcus faked planes and see how they
stack up to the work known real.
heh!!

http://thewebfairy.com/911/flyingpig
has one of marcus's so called "enhancements" that he palmed off on
SPINEless which were really only fanciful artwork.

Marcus always concentrated on just a couple frames. He could never
reanimate his work.
My missilegate frames
http://thewebfairy.com/911/missilegate/video.htm
reanimate perfectly which is their Purity Seal that they haven't been
mucked with in any way foul.

I've seen the pattern -- people cling to their (proudly) ininformed
opinion and act like the results of my four years careful analysis means
less than their digestion.

Clinging to that red herring would make me respect you less. A lot less.
It isn't like we have time to waste on bellybutton contemplation of what
you would do if you was a perp.

The only thing changed about the missilegate frames is a few frames were
nipped out from the thing-in-the-air and the things-in-front-of-the
building because the continuity from one frame to the next is broken,
but it is always the same formation of objects with subtle differences,
no cookiecutter mode but different complex angles that could not be
modeled in.

malaprop wrote:
> No, of course I don't think your blind or stupid.
>
> But my mind has a mind of it's own, and insists on going trapesing
> from time to time, poking here and there. Right now it is juggling
> with them having a backup copy--just in case the real one revealed
> more than they wanted--finding it non-threatening decided on the real
> clip. But I think they had the ability to animate everything except
> the CD.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rosalee Grable" <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re:02/20 NYC
>
>
> I have been studying this footage close up and personal for four years
> and better now....
>
> Do you really think that I am so blind and stupid as to not be able to
> pick up IN FOUR YEARS OF CLOSE STUDY if the first hit imagery was
> fake?
>
> The implicent insult to my intelligence, character and motivation
> tucked
> inside this particular craphead lie has managed to set off my anger
> repeatedly and alienate friends.
> I think I have learned my lesson now and will remain calm even tho I
> percieve your tubby idea is more insulting than the insult I moderated
> somebody for.
>
> I have known I need to put words to the Missilegate, and I wrote the
> words during a similarly distasteful session with Peter Meyer and Lynn
> which isn't posted anywhere yet, but does need to be posted as
> commentary to the missilegate frames.
>
> These are real, authentic, WAY WAY too detailed images to have
> originated as any form of animation or cartoon....
> http:://thewebfairy.com/911/flyingpig/beautyshots
> compare with the enlargements of the "tailfin" on the Pentagon Art
> Frames.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/multiframes.htm
> click any of the titles above the sets of pictures to be wisked away
> to
> commentary which links to enlargements of most sets of art frames.
>
> The Beautyshots are infinitely detailed.
> These are artistically enhanced enlargements at least 10,000 times
> enlarged and they still show subtle character.
> In the art frames, even a 300 percent enlargement of the "tailfin"
> equals flat characterless monocolor.
>
> No animation technique could do that.
> It took months or years to produce a version of the Pentagon Art
> Frames
> which could be animated for video.
>
> In the Missilegate Frames, The complex and peculiar nature of the
> images
> remains complex and peculiar no matter how they are dealt.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/missilegate/video.htm
> All the cartoons show a "plane" pushed along kind of like a rubber
> stamp.
> Not here:
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/beautyshots
>
> Since it bothers me so bad, All the Anti_Webfairy types are going band
> together to pass off that those aren't really a flock of top secret
> drones, but a cartoon, just to keep the lies in play.
>
> It is real. It is a real snuff film.
> http:..911foreknowledge.com
> at most they have snipped out a few frames because there are
> continuity
> lapses.
> Whatever is there is set out to brag -- as the perps laugh cos you can
> wave this stuff in front of their face and you'd rather call me an
> incompetent liar than face that last straw that favors "rationality"
> over reason.
>
> If one thing is a cartoon, then everything is a cartoon is a very
> primitive logic pattern for which I have no respect. It's the sort of
> slimeballing I'd expect from Break For News.
>
>
>
>
>
> malaprop wrote:
>
>> Yes, I am, as this is where I am at. With it being so risk-free to
>> use
>> pre-packaged video, why would they use the Naudet film of the
>> impact?
>> Taking it apart, it looks like the opening could have been shot on a
>> Sunday or Labor Day--why would they have included an actual film
>> when
>> a fake would have been so much better, and would not have looked
>> like
>> possibly a missile? The smoke and fireball--how do we know that
>> wasn't artwork? So many of the clips of wtc2 do not match in
>> coloration--deliberately I suppose to make it look different
>> cameras,
>> rather than different forgers.
>>
>> It was shown the next morning--could they have had two clips to
>> choose
>> from--one fake, one real? The whatchamacallits that are in the sky,
>> could these be the mark of a whistleblower, unnoticed by
>> supervisors,
>> and only a researcher would discover?
>>
>> The distance still should have enabled a clearer resolution than we
>> got. I just don't see these guys risking showing real clips.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.405themovie.com/download405.asp
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rosalee Grable" <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
>> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>
>>
>> Brilliant
>>
>> EXCEPT -- You seem to be lumping the first hit footage, which is
>> authentic snuff film -with the second hit cartoons.
>>
>>
>> malaprop wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Alex, and all, you gotta change your perception.
>>>
>>> We are not dealing with a government--that's their disguise. We
>>> are
>>> dealing with organized crime that took over the governement to
>>> facilitate their illegal operations, and to develop new ones. They
>>> do
>>> not care about duty honor country, and that goes for Congress, and
>>> a
>>> chunk of military brass. A ton of military retirements happened
>>> after
>>> 9/11, meaning the good ones left.
>>>
>>> CNN heads and other TV media are as guilty as the ones that placed
>>> the
>>> bombs, and were in on the planning as was needed to synchronize the
>>> event. They had to be. I'm now of the opinion, or at least
>>> leaning
>>> that way, that ALL footage seen that day prior to the collapses was
>>> ready-made off the shelf, some impact shots were held back to keep
>>> up
>>> a psychological fever pitch over a period of time. This was a
>>> script,
>>> and looking back I do not see them risking any snafus when
>>> deception
>>> is so easy. Even the "gashes" were pre-packaged, and only a
>>> resemblance was necessary thru bomb placement.
>>>
>>> The only planes ever seen were those on the TV screen, and anyone
>>> who
>>> suggested otherwise was ignored. The TV anchors reported what they
>>> saw on their monitors.
>>>
>>> I feel that all the CNN people were over time replaced with
>>> hand-picked Bush/elite supporters. The last thing you want around
>>> you is someone who thinks and "gets it", so out they go. They may
>>> all
>>> Zionists, for that matter,
>>>
>>> So that means that they will never allow let alone encourage the
>>> truth
>>> to come out about how CNN plotted against America.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
>>> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:29 AM
>>> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>>
>>>
>>> A couple of thoughts:
>>>
>>> 1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be able
>>> to
>>> get some
>>> decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.
>>>
>>> 2) a couple of years ago, there was hardly any talk of the WTC
>>> being
>>> blown
>>> up. Now demolition is all over the place and fairly widely
>>> accepted
>>> by 9/11
>>> skeptics. I predict in another year or two, video manipulation
>>> will
>>> just as
>>> widely accepted-- if we work at it. The important thing, the video
>>> fakery is so
>>> damn obvous once you know where to look.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt"
>>> <nicohaupt@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>>>>> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
>>>>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>>>> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:59:12 -0600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe i just needed a refreshing pusher.
>>>> I will not give up yet :)
>>>> There is also still enough space to give the perps a hard time...
>>>>
>>>> Let's work on the 'prank' soon. I have now my tv team together.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> ahem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's
>>>> nothing
>>>> left to do but pray, and we're too late and too small?
>>>>
>>>> Heh.
>>>> Four years ago I figured there was nothing to do but pray cos we
>>>> were
>>>> too late and all there was was me - alone - having noticed there
>>>> was
>>>> no
>>>> plane at the first hit -- my first real clue how to dump the whole
>>>> frameup.
>>>>
>>>> Talk about asymmetrical odds!!
>>>>
>>>> It is four years and some later, and I am still alive, a fact that
>>>> amazes me all by itself.
>>>> We've managed to drive the lemmings back from the cliff numerous
>>>> times
>>>> while we work out how to release them from their lemming spell.
>>>>
>>>> Now we are looking forward to a national tour
>>>> http://911bluestour.com/
>>>> To boogie our way to freedom.<<
>>>>
>>>> --
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:31:52 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 02/20 NYC

You still amaze me, Rosalee!

By the way, when I first joined this group, you were having a fight
with Indira Singh and she threatened all sorts of things about
exposing you and some such nonsense. Did you ever hear from her again
or do you have any idea what she was talking about? It was rather
nasty. Maybe you don't want to talk about it, but I was just curious...

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> This is real.
> Authentic.
> Bonafide.
> And you are a hero to the guy who said, hell, yes! and bought the
domain
> and made the logo and is reaching out to his incredible network of
friends.
>
> I am in agaped wonderment that of all the humans on gods earth that
> might catch video of what transpired it would be a guy who cut his
teeth
> on Chicago blues who used to play with Bob Dylan, among his many
adventures.
>
> Please study Holmgren's thread as tho it were a class.
> It started as a mission of mercy to pull them off you, but has
become an
> incredible fete in the same league with what you pulled off.
>
> Gratefully I hail eris equally in triumph and despair cos it's so hard
> to tell the difference close up, and the road to one always leads thru
> the other. That helps to not play yoyo emotionally.
>
> I go to blues jams like christians go to church.
> I learned their existance and value from Gerard Holmgren who's passion
> for 911 research is equalled by his passion for blues forms.
> This is him on the home page of my new Bluesfairy domain:
> http://bluesfairy.com
> By a series of miracles we discovered this intimate jewel of a blues
bar
> in Evanston, Illinois, of all the seemingly unlikely spots for an
> outpost of blues
> http://911closeup.com/blues.htm
> All we had back then was Gerard's infamous cheapie camera with movie
> mode that proved that even multi-purpose cameras are perfectly capable
> of registering plane wings..
> http://911closeup.com/planes
> so certainly a professional strength documentary camera would be
able to
> register wings if they had been there.
>
> I sure hope you shake yourself from your depression since you are part
> of the miracle, coincidentally located within yards of the House of
> Blues hotel. ~~ it's a theme in a cosmic joke -- the farking footage is
> blue as all heck. If anybody ever does turn up reliable witnesses, tho
> none have ever yet been seen, then I could even say we were Bluebeamed.
>
> But instead the plan is to BluesBeam em. By the time summer rolls
around
> things are going to be looking pretty grim for sure. The Blues is the
> music of triumph over helplessness and hopelessness and oppression, cos
> that's where it was nurtured until the blessed invention of the
electric
> guitar.
>
> Despite the goonieness of the blues brothers mind-meme, they really
were
> on a mission from god.
> They learned that from the music, which remained a passion long after
> they finished the stupid movie.
>
> I don't believe in any stupid religious god. No sacrifice gods with
> alters for me.
>
> The Great Neutral Force, Aether, which is measured like acoustics are
> measured and all energy is it's product. It is the force who's math
> ARchimedes dealt with.
> It is a math derived from careful measurements of perspective, and
> extremely accurate measurements of the frequencies of sound which I
> still don't understand how they could derive.
> This is the math of Maxwell's missing Scalar Variables, which were
> expressed in Quanternions, Archimedes measuring system, not in
"numbers"
> because scalars have no size. We can think of scalars as naked.
>
>
> greg nixon wrote:
> > Rosalee,
> >
> > Love the idea! I can crawl back out of my depression if this is
for real
> >
> >
> >
> > */Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>/* wrote:
> >
> > Under their system, we get to spread a subset of information that
> > puts
> > us in thrll to one or another perp faction.
> > Each different hangout has it's own audience and is fighting
the rest
> > for market share.
> >
> > Yes, I have a better farking plan.
> > It involves harnessing the fundamental forces of the universe..
> > http://911bluestour.com <http://911bluestour.com/>
> > The math of Aether is the math of sonics and harmonics and
scales at
> > bluesjam frequencies.
> >
> > WE will spread the art of jam and leave pan bands in our wake.
> > Panbands making joyous noise create lasting and significant
positive
> > change unobtainable by bitching.
> > Thankfulness for every good thing, even if the only good thing
at the
> > time was the music itself, has risen humanity from depths
> > unimaginable
> > to today's schnookies on the menu.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > alexldent wrote:
> > >>>> They used media hoax. And now you guys expect to go to the
> > hoaxers for
> > >>>>
> > > relief.<<<<
> > >
> > > You got a better plan? :)
> > >
> > > Seriously, I find it hard to believe that ALL the msm is in on
> > 9/11 and that we
> > > can't trust ANY of them.
> > >
> > > The other point is that we simply don't have time or capital to
> > build our own
> > > media, so we have to use the msm to some extent, if we really
> > care about
> > > spreading the word.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> > <webfairy@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>> It was beyond
> > >>>
> > >>>> scary to see their blank or confused stares over and over
again.
> > >>>>
> > >> Heh. Yay for a dose of what I see daily, even here.
> > >> Idiot suckers, even right here in this group who STILL have not
> > grokked
> > >> that 911 was a STAGED MEDIA HOAX.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, the blankness is scarey.
> > >>
> > >> I am not worried about THEIR blankness, but YOUR BLANKNESS
and the
> > >> blankness of EVERY SCHNOOKIEDUPED SUCKER who imagines the
> > >>
> > > MSM as
> > >
> > >> something other than frontline perps.
> > >>
> > >> THEY DIDN'T USE PLANES.
> > >> They used media hoax. And now you guys expect to go to the
> > hoaxers for
> > >> relief.
> > >> I am thinking people are really looking forward to being dead
> > schnookies
> > >> with their children used as food.
> > >>
> > >> THEY DIDN'T USE PLANES.
> > >> This is a singularly important fact, which is why the TRUTHING
> > >> NSA/NASA/Urantia setup crew has you brainwashed into thinking
> > it doesn't
> > >> matter whether they used arabs or newsbunnies to strike at the
> > heart of
> > >> America.
> > >>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:04:33 -0000
From: "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Troll batlle of the century

Kudos to Gerard and Rosalee for some of the most enetertaining
and enlightening troll trampling technique I have ever witnessed!

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/01/332076.html?c=all

"Sky Cretin" and "Architect" are not your ordinary trolls indeed, i
think they are writing the playbook. I see the SAME approach in ALL
the other forums where trolls are trolling.

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:13:16 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Indera Re: Re: 02/20 NYC

Heh!! My Favorite Death Threat.
She's connected up, I believe with the spooks of India, which was the
big winner of 911.

From pictures of her, she is fairly significantly younger than me.
But somehow her career as a "banker" extends back to when I was still in
highschool.

So my betcha is her banker credentials are not "hers" but just cover story.

Come 911, she was magically transformed into an EMS with high security
clearances.
Picking up body parts of Flight 11 Victims,
Somehow she could tell the difference and got past the problem that any
such remains would have been buried beneath everything else...this goes
unexplained.

Nico can tell ya that the Ptech story is fulla hooey.

alexldent wrote:
> You still amaze me, Rosalee!
>
> By the way, when I first joined this group, you were having a fight
> with Indira Singh and she threatened all sorts of things about
> exposing you and some such nonsense. Did you ever hear from her again
> or do you have any idea what she was talking about? It was rather
> nasty. Maybe you don't want to talk about it, but I was just curious...
>
>

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:19:40 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Another collaborative website

I'd like to request the patience of the group with posting this. Since my
blog and blogger is not working for me, and many of you said my blog was a
mess (or worse), I have moved here:
http://www.gather.com/viewGroup.jsp?grpId=3659174697238768

I know that many of you will have not use for another web site to visit.
However, even if you are the least bti interested in my site, I strongly
encourage you to visit gather.com, just to the kind of community that have
there. You can access stuff with a login.

By the way, I have not commercial interest in gather.com

Bill

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:34:53 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: What exactly Should Scholars For 9/11 Truth Be Doing Before The Cameras?

You have never heard me bitching about Griffin.
He has carefully and scrupulously avoided planehugging.
He stops short in the Miasmia of All Demolition All The Time.
Angie can cover why Griffin took on this particular hangout which leaves
the existance of planes assumed.
If you can document any cases where Griffin lapsed into avid
planehugging, let me know.
I recommend 911eyewitness and LooseChange Second Edition.
I recommend the DVD I still need to make for myself.

Griffin doesn't let on that it was a media hoax.
Him and Tarpley together make a picture that's suspicious because of the
hole in the middle where MEDIA HOAX ought to be.

inphoman911 wrote:
> What besides controlled demolition MIHOP do you suggest we promote
> to convert an amateur Michael Moore believer + Bush supporter 9/11
> truth audience? Why isn't converting the majority of an amateur
> audience to undisputed 9/11 MIHOP in under 1 hour a success in your
> book? Who else can pull that off as well as Griffin?
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> <webfairy@...> wrote:
>
>> But MIHOP is another disinfo trap too.
>> It's all to breed a successful brand of lie that will satisfy the
>> schnookie's curiosity and keep them from scattering too far afield.
>>
>> The Inquisition Team Holmgren is battling is still trying to make
>>
> people
>
>> believe that two planes worth of jet fuel created the devastation
>> <http://thewebfairy.com/911/demolition/DemolitionX>.
>>
>> Holmgren is not against demolition, and is coming up with a good
>>
> set of
>
>> proofs even.
>> He is against All Demolition All The Time.
>> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/01/332076.html
>>
>> Anyone who wants to can post. The link is beneath Greg Nixon's
>>
> starter
>
>> post about 02/20
>>
>>
>>
>> inphoman911 wrote:
>>
>>> Get a transcript of Griffins 10/16/05 lecture on the towers.
>>>
> That
>
>>> is the most powerful way to appeal to the non newcomers and
>>> believers. In less than 1 hour it takes them straight to MIHOP
>>>
> and
>
>>> avoids alot of disinfo traps.
>>>
>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent"
>>>
> <alexldent@>
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> excellent thoughts. I am a assoc. professor at my local
>>>>
>>>>
>>> university--
>>>
>>>
>>>> last night I decided I wanted to "come out of the closet" and
>>>>
> give
>
>>>> some sort of lecture/presentation on 9/11. what you say here
>>>>
> fits
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> my
>>>
>>>
>>>> thoughts very well. the only problem is I am a biologist not an
>>>> engineer, but by now I think I could give a fairly scientific
>>>>
> talk
>
>>>> even on the wtc.
>>>>
>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Ed Barner
>>>> <edwinatlcom.net@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I hope to see a lot of input on this question.
>>>>> Here are a few thoughts.
>>>>>
>>>>> The media wants to be seen as spectators not teachers.
>>>>> I think they'd want to report on a spectacle of some kind.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the idea of having S9/11T in front of college crowds if
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> possible,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> architectural or engineering connections are obviously best.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> although
>>>
>>>
>>>>> they know more what venues they might be comfortable in.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cover up is one main weakness of the conspirators.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have asked that people with non disclosure agreements break
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> them
>>>
>>>
>>>>> based on the following.
>>>>>
>>>>> " If Dad, kills Mom and blames the bogyman,
>>>>> Don't help Dad hide his crime.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rat Dad off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get a new dad who doesn't kill family members."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do the math.
>>>>> 9/11 + cover up = treason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Specific people aided the cover up. They can be pointed out
>>>>>
> for
>
>>>>> questioning about their actions in destroying evidence and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> suppressing
>>>
>>>
>>>>> witness accounts
>>>>> The cover up can be traced to the perps.
>>>>> No one does a cover up of a crime they are not connected to.
>>>>> "If 9/11 was done by arabs, why was there a cover up of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> forensic,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> eyewitness and photographic evidence and who was in a position
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> to have
>>>
>>>
>>>>> done it? "
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Graham and Porter Goss were doing _What_ when the first
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> plane hit
>>>
>>>
>>>>> the north tower?
>>>>>
>>>>> The falseness of the war on terra is becoming apparent to the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> average
>>>
>>>
>>>>> man on the street.
>>>>> The war on 'terra ' is based on 9/11
>>>>> It follows that a false flag event would not have a real
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> emergency
>>>
>>>
>>>>> reaction from a concerned government.
>>>>> They have made no appropriate reaction because they know of
>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>> falseness of the 'emergency' and appropriateness now just
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> consists of
>>>
>>>
>>>>> cashing in, which is what they have done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Strong points that I have not seen made elsewhere,
>>>>> The lack of layering in the buildings debris pile is a smoking
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> gun
>>>
>>>
>>>>> because the materials were thoroughly mixed and did not
>>>>>
> stratify
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>
>>>>> would be appropriate for an unaided collapse. the lack of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> layering
>>>
>>>
>>>>> means explosives were used.
>>>>> The presence on the 78th floor of the south tower of Battalion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Chief
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Orio J. Palmer and Fire Marshal Ronald P.* *Bucca, make blast
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> furnace
>>>
>>>
>>>>> temperatures there, impossible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my comments .
>>>>> I hope thery are lost in a sea if great suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a parting thought.
>>>>> What if bush lost our ports because of blackmail ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> inphoman911 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do you want them to go, and what do you want them to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> say. Be
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> breif but specific.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:21:39 -0800
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Re:02/20 NYC

"Clinging to that red herring would make me respect you less. A lot
less.
It isn't like we have time to waste on bellybutton contemplation of
what
you would do if you was a perp."

I'm not sure if some Maalox all around isn't called for, but I know
that putting one'self in the perp's shoes is one of the oldest methods
of working on a crime. Sort of a reverse engineering.

On the subject at hand, you say the existance of these drones has even
be bragged about.......and while I can see 3 puffs on contact--which
could correspond to the 2 engines, nose--why am I unable to see the
swarm of UAV's in the air?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosalee Grable" <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re:02/20 NYC

Again, ALL perplings of what every faction are going to unite on the
FICTION that the first hit is animation. You might as well show your
face now.

The missilegate frames are authentic and they show REAL CIA-style
drones
running in a pack and creating gray clouds of aerosolized thermite
explosions. The existance of these drones has been bragged about
even.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/uav

I hate to pull an "expert" card, but I am an unparralled and unrivaled
expert in the study of the first hit footage. Yes, it can be and has
been faked.
Marcus Icke has extremely sophisticated techniques for turning the
drones and explosives into a "plane" to suit his own diabolical need
to
keep the ball in the air.
But at least he documented his techniques carefully, so we have a
clear
record of how images could be faked if they were.

I can do hyper-enlargements of Marcus faked planes and see how they
stack up to the work known real.
heh!!

http://thewebfairy.com/911/flyingpig
has one of marcus's so called "enhancements" that he palmed off on
SPINEless which were really only fanciful artwork.

I've seen the pattern -- people cling to their (proudly) ininformed
opinion and act like the results of my four years careful analysis
means
less than their digestion.

Clinging to that red herring would make me respect you less. A lot
less.
It isn't like we have time to waste on bellybutton contemplation of
what
you would do if you was a perp.

The only thing changed about the missilegate frames is a few frames
were
nipped out from the thing-in-the-air and the things-in-front-of-the
building because the continuity from one frame to the next is broken,
but it is always the same formation of objects with subtle
differences,
no cookiecutter mode but different complex angles that could not be
modeled in.

malaprop wrote:
> No, of course I don't think your blind or stupid.
>
> But my mind has a mind of it's own, and insists on going trapesing
> from time to time, poking here and there. Right now it is
> juggling
> with them having a backup copy--just in case the real one revealed
> more than they wanted--finding it non-threatening decided on the
> real
> clip. But I think they had the ability to animate everything
> except
> the CD.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rosalee Grable" <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re:02/20 NYC
>
>
> I have been studying this footage close up and personal for four
> years
> and better now....
>
> Do you really think that I am so blind and stupid as to not be able
> to
> pick up IN FOUR YEARS OF CLOSE STUDY if the first hit imagery was
> fake?
>
> The implicent insult to my intelligence, character and motivation
> tucked
> inside this particular craphead lie has managed to set off my anger
> repeatedly and alienate friends.
> I think I have learned my lesson now and will remain calm even tho I
> percieve your tubby idea is more insulting than the insult I
> moderated
> somebody for.
>
> I have known I need to put words to the Missilegate, and I wrote the
> words during a similarly distasteful session with Peter Meyer and
> Lynn
> which isn't posted anywhere yet, but does need to be posted as
> commentary to the missilegate frames.
>
> These are real, authentic, WAY WAY too detailed images to have
> originated as any form of animation or cartoon....
> http:://thewebfairy.com/911/flyingpig/beautyshots
> compare with the enlargements of the "tailfin" on the Pentagon Art
> Frames.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/multiframes.htm
> click any of the titles above the sets of pictures to be wisked away
> to
> commentary which links to enlargements of most sets of art frames.
>
> The Beautyshots are infinitely detailed.
> These are artistically enhanced enlargements at least 10,000 times
> enlarged and they still show subtle character.
> In the art frames, even a 300 percent enlargement of the "tailfin"
> equals flat characterless monocolor.
>
> No animation technique could do that.
> It took months or years to produce a version of the Pentagon Art
> Frames
> which could be animated for video.
>
> In the Missilegate Frames, The complex and peculiar nature of the
> images
> remains complex and peculiar no matter how they are dealt.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/missilegate/video.htm
> All the cartoons show a "plane" pushed along kind of like a rubber
> stamp.
> Not here:
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/beautyshots
>
> Since it bothers me so bad, All the Anti_Webfairy types are going
> band
> together to pass off that those aren't really a flock of top secret
> drones, but a cartoon, just to keep the lies in play.
>
> It is real. It is a real snuff film.
> http:..911foreknowledge.com
> at most they have snipped out a few frames because there are
> continuity
> lapses.
> Whatever is there is set out to brag -- as the perps laugh cos you
> can
> wave this stuff in front of their face and you'd rather call me an
> incompetent liar than face that last straw that favors "rationality"
> over reason.
>
> If one thing is a cartoon, then everything is a cartoon is a very
> primitive logic pattern for which I have no respect. It's the sort
> of
> slimeballing I'd expect from Break For News.
>
>
>
>
>
> malaprop wrote:
>
>> Yes, I am, as this is where I am at. With it being so risk-free to
>> use
>> pre-packaged video, why would they use the Naudet film of the
>> impact?
>> Taking it apart, it looks like the opening could have been shot on
>> a
>> Sunday or Labor Day--why would they have included an actual film
>> when
>> a fake would have been so much better, and would not have looked
>> like
>> possibly a missile? The smoke and fireball--how do we know that
>> wasn't artwork? So many of the clips of wtc2 do not match in
>> coloration--deliberately I suppose to make it look different
>> cameras,
>> rather than different forgers.
>>
>> It was shown the next morning--could they have had two clips to
>> choose
>> from--one fake, one real? The whatchamacallits that are in the
>> sky,
>> could these be the mark of a whistleblower, unnoticed by
>> supervisors,
>> and only a researcher would discover?
>>
>> The distance still should have enabled a clearer resolution than we
>> got. I just don't see these guys risking showing real clips.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.405themovie.com/download405.asp
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rosalee Grable" <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
>> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>
>>
>> Brilliant
>>
>> EXCEPT -- You seem to be lumping the first hit footage, which is
>> authentic snuff film -with the second hit cartoons.
>>
>>
>> malaprop wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Alex, and all, you gotta change your perception.
>>>
>>> We are not dealing with a government--that's their disguise. We
>>> are
>>> dealing with organized crime that took over the governement to
>>> facilitate their illegal operations, and to develop new ones. They
>>> do
>>> not care about duty honor country, and that goes for Congress, and
>>> a
>>> chunk of military brass. A ton of military retirements happened
>>> after
>>> 9/11, meaning the good ones left.
>>>
>>> CNN heads and other TV media are as guilty as the ones that placed
>>> the
>>> bombs, and were in on the planning as was needed to synchronize
>>> the
>>> event. They had to be. I'm now of the opinion, or at least
>>> leaning
>>> that way, that ALL footage seen that day prior to the collapses
>>> was
>>> ready-made off the shelf, some impact shots were held back to keep
>>> up
>>> a psychological fever pitch over a period of time. This was a
>>> script,
>>> and looking back I do not see them risking any snafus when
>>> deception
>>> is so easy. Even the "gashes" were pre-packaged, and only a
>>> resemblance was necessary thru bomb placement.
>>>
>>> The only planes ever seen were those on the TV screen, and anyone
>>> who
>>> suggested otherwise was ignored. The TV anchors reported what
>>> they
>>> saw on their monitors.
>>>
>>> I feel that all the CNN people were over time replaced with
>>> hand-picked Bush/elite supporters. The last thing you want
>>> around
>>> you is someone who thinks and "gets it", so out they go. They may
>>> all
>>> Zionists, for that matter,
>>>
>>> So that means that they will never allow let alone encourage the
>>> truth
>>> to come out about how CNN plotted against America.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
>>> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:29 AM
>>> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>>
>>>
>>> A couple of thoughts:
>>>
>>> 1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be
>>> able
>>> to
>>> get some
>>> decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.
>>>
>>> 2) a couple of years ago, there was hardly any talk of the WTC
>>> being
>>> blown
>>> up. Now demolition is all over the place and fairly widely
>>> accepted
>>> by 9/11
>>> skeptics. I predict in another year or two, video manipulation
>>> will
>>> just as
>>> widely accepted-- if we work at it. The important thing, the
>>> video
>>> fakery is so
>>> damn obvous once you know where to look.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt"
>>> <nicohaupt@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>>>>> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
>>>>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>>>> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:59:12 -0600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe i just needed a refreshing pusher.
>>>> I will not give up yet :)
>>>> There is also still enough space to give the perps a hard time...
>>>>
>>>> Let's work on the 'prank' soon. I have now my tv team together.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> ahem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's
>>>> nothing
>>>> left to do but pray, and we're too late and too small?
>>>>
>>>> Heh.
>>>> Four years ago I figured there was nothing to do but pray cos we
>>>> were
>>>> too late and all there was was me - alone - having noticed there
>>>> was
>>>> no
>>>> plane at the first hit -- my first real clue how to dump the
>>>> whole
>>>> frameup.
>>>>
>>>> Talk about asymmetrical odds!!
>>>>
>>>> It is four years and some later, and I am still alive, a fact
>>>> that
>>>> amazes me all by itself.
>>>> We've managed to drive the lemmings back from the cliff numerous
>>>> times
>>>> while we work out how to release them from their lemming spell.
>>>>
>>>> Now we are looking forward to a national tour
>>>> http://911bluestour.com/
>>>> To boogie our way to freedom.<<
>>>>
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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:47:06 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re:02/20 NYC

http://missilegate.com

[[I unable to see the
swarm of UAV's in the air?]]

Do you see anything in the air?
Do you see something moving?
That's the swarm of drones flying in a close formation.
They split up once they reach the corner of the building.
At this point one seems to split off and stay on the roof while at least two others come down the face of the building. Later we see the third building dustpimples higher up on the building. There is also a white shiny triangular one that is persistant off to the side on both hits seen as a white triangle shape. I expect this is the control center for zapping the drones around like a video game with real effects..

Most of these objects are around car size.
You can't see something carsize clearly from that distance, especially since there seems to be some sort of electronic pulse going on that makes things fuzzy until after the explosion.

Look at the big picture of the flashframe on
http://thewebfairy.com/911/flyingpig

there is another showing which has disrupted the pattern of the flash in the lower righthand section of the flash.
Can you sorta see it?

Thank you for questions I need to answer for my missilegate site.

Jimmy Walters wrote me back, disappointed that it's all pictures and no words.

It all seems so obvious that I can never figure out what to say.
I am suprised what little skill paople have at observation.
They can only see words programmed on their bellyscreens.

malaprop wrote:
> "Clinging to that red herring would make me respect you less. A lot
> less.
> It isn't like we have time to waste on bellybutton contemplation of
> what
> you would do if you was a perp."
>
>
> I'm not sure if some Maalox all around isn't called for, but I know
> that putting one'self in the perp's shoes is one of the oldest methods
> of working on a crime. Sort of a reverse engineering.
>
> On the subject at hand, you say the existance of these drones has even
> be bragged about.......and while I can see 3 puffs on contact--which
> could correspond to the 2 engines, nose--why am I unable to see the
> swarm of UAV's in the air?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rosalee Grable" <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re:02/20 NYC
>
>
> Idjuts from the Frameup on Humanity are blind.
> Even blinder than your average schnookiedupe who isn't much at
> observation either, but when it comes to brainwashed perps, they see
> STRICTLY what they are told to see. Things make no impression on their
> eyes. They live inside their own imagination.
>
> IF you don't believe I am blind and stupid as it's really you being,
> knock yourself out of this dreamland where you think everything has to
> be "rational' as in pre-thought and predigested.
> You are making me think that you are a "Jesuit Adjudicator" --since it
> was your comment that (choke choke) the vatican is not perps -- that
> got
> Captain May a high temperature roasting.
>
> Again, ALL perplings of what every faction are going to unite on the
> FICTION that the first hit is animation. You might as well show your
> face now.
>
> The missilegate frames are authentic and they show REAL CIA-style
> drones
> running in a pack and creating gray clouds of aerosolized thermite
> explosions. The existance of these drones has been bragged about
> even.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/uav
>
> I hate to pull an "expert" card, but I am an unparralled and unrivaled
> expert in the study of the first hit footage. Yes, it can be and has
> been faked.
> Marcus Icke has extremely sophisticated techniques for turning the
> drones and explosives into a "plane" to suit his own diabolical need
> to
> keep the ball in the air.
> But at least he documented his techniques carefully, so we have a
> clear
> record of how images could be faked if they were.
>
> I can do hyper-enlargements of Marcus faked planes and see how they
> stack up to the work known real.
> heh!!
>
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/flyingpig
> has one of marcus's so called "enhancements" that he palmed off on
> SPINEless which were really only fanciful artwork.
>
> Marcus always concentrated on just a couple frames. He could never
> reanimate his work.
> My missilegate frames
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/missilegate/video.htm
> reanimate perfectly which is their Purity Seal that they haven't been
> mucked with in any way foul.
>
> I've seen the pattern -- people cling to their (proudly) ininformed
> opinion and act like the results of my four years careful analysis
> means
> less than their digestion.
>
> Clinging to that red herring would make me respect you less. A lot
> less.
> It isn't like we have time to waste on bellybutton contemplation of
> what
> you would do if you was a perp.
>
> The only thing changed about the missilegate frames is a few frames
> were
> nipped out from the thing-in-the-air and the things-in-front-of-the
> building because the continuity from one frame to the next is broken,
> but it is always the same formation of objects with subtle
> differences,
> no cookiecutter mode but different complex angles that could not be
> modeled in.
>
>
>
> malaprop wrote:
>
>> No, of course I don't think your blind or stupid.
>>
>> But my mind has a mind of it's own, and insists on going trapesing
>> from time to time, poking here and there. Right now it is
>> juggling
>> with them having a backup copy--just in case the real one revealed
>> more than they wanted--finding it non-threatening decided on the
>> real
>> clip. But I think they had the ability to animate everything
>> except
>> the CD.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rosalee Grable" <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
>> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re:02/20 NYC
>>
>>
>> I have been studying this footage close up and personal for four
>> years
>> and better now....
>>
>> Do you really think that I am so blind and stupid as to not be able
>> to
>> pick up IN FOUR YEARS OF CLOSE STUDY if the first hit imagery was
>> fake?
>>
>> The implicent insult to my intelligence, character and motivation
>> tucked
>> inside this particular craphead lie has managed to set off my anger
>> repeatedly and alienate friends.
>> I think I have learned my lesson now and will remain calm even tho I
>> percieve your tubby idea is more insulting than the insult I
>> moderated
>> somebody for.
>>
>> I have known I need to put words to the Missilegate, and I wrote the
>> words during a similarly distasteful session with Peter Meyer and
>> Lynn
>> which isn't posted anywhere yet, but does need to be posted as
>> commentary to the missilegate frames.
>>
>> These are real, authentic, WAY WAY too detailed images to have
>> originated as any form of animation or cartoon....
>> http:://thewebfairy.com/911/flyingpig/beautyshots
>> compare with the enlargements of the "tailfin" on the Pentagon Art
>> Frames.
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/multiframes.htm
>> click any of the titles above the sets of pictures to be wisked away
>> to
>> commentary which links to enlargements of most sets of art frames.
>>
>> The Beautyshots are infinitely detailed.
>> These are artistically enhanced enlargements at least 10,000 times
>> enlarged and they still show subtle character.
>> In the art frames, even a 300 percent enlargement of the "tailfin"
>> equals flat characterless monocolor.
>>
>> No animation technique could do that.
>> It took months or years to produce a version of the Pentagon Art
>> Frames
>> which could be animated for video.
>>
>> In the Missilegate Frames, The complex and peculiar nature of the
>> images
>> remains complex and peculiar no matter how they are dealt.
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/missilegate/video.htm
>> All the cartoons show a "plane" pushed along kind of like a rubber
>> stamp.
>> Not here:
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/beautyshots
>>
>> Since it bothers me so bad, All the Anti_Webfairy types are going
>> band
>> together to pass off that those aren't really a flock of top secret
>> drones, but a cartoon, just to keep the lies in play.
>>
>> It is real. It is a real snuff film.
>> http:..911foreknowledge.com
>> at most they have snipped out a few frames because there are
>> continuity
>> lapses.
>> Whatever is there is set out to brag -- as the perps laugh cos you
>> can
>> wave this stuff in front of their face and you'd rather call me an
>> incompetent liar than face that last straw that favors "rationality"
>> over reason.
>>
>> If one thing is a cartoon, then everything is a cartoon is a very
>> primitive logic pattern for which I have no respect. It's the sort
>> of
>> slimeballing I'd expect from Break For News.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> malaprop wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Yes, I am, as this is where I am at. With it being so risk-free to
>>> use
>>> pre-packaged video, why would they use the Naudet film of the
>>> impact?
>>> Taking it apart, it looks like the opening could have been shot on
>>> a
>>> Sunday or Labor Day--why would they have included an actual film
>>> when
>>> a fake would have been so much better, and would not have looked
>>> like
>>> possibly a missile? The smoke and fireball--how do we know that
>>> wasn't artwork? So many of the clips of wtc2 do not match in
>>> coloration--deliberately I suppose to make it look different
>>> cameras,
>>> rather than different forgers.
>>>
>>> It was shown the next morning--could they have had two clips to
>>> choose
>>> from--one fake, one real? The whatchamacallits that are in the
>>> sky,
>>> could these be the mark of a whistleblower, unnoticed by
>>> supervisors,
>>> and only a researcher would discover?
>>>
>>> The distance still should have enabled a clearer resolution than we
>>> got. I just don't see these guys risking showing real clips.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.405themovie.com/download405.asp
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rosalee Grable" <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
>>> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>>
>>>
>>> Brilliant
>>>
>>> EXCEPT -- You seem to be lumping the first hit footage, which is
>>> authentic snuff film -with the second hit cartoons.
>>>
>>>
>>> malaprop wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Alex, and all, you gotta change your perception.
>>>>
>>>> We are not dealing with a government--that's their disguise. We
>>>> are
>>>> dealing with organized crime that took over the governement to
>>>> facilitate their illegal operations, and to develop new ones. They
>>>> do
>>>> not care about duty honor country, and that goes for Congress, and
>>>> a
>>>> chunk of military brass. A ton of military retirements happened
>>>> after
>>>> 9/11, meaning the good ones left.
>>>>
>>>> CNN heads and other TV media are as guilty as the ones that placed
>>>> the
>>>> bombs, and were in on the planning as was needed to synchronize
>>>> the
>>>> event. They had to be. I'm now of the opinion, or at least
>>>> leaning
>>>> that way, that ALL footage seen that day prior to the collapses
>>>> was
>>>> ready-made off the shelf, some impact shots were held back to keep
>>>> up
>>>> a psychological fever pitch over a period of time. This was a
>>>> script,
>>>> and looking back I do not see them risking any snafus when
>>>> deception
>>>> is so easy. Even the "gashes" were pre-packaged, and only a
>>>> resemblance was necessary thru bomb placement.
>>>>
>>>> The only planes ever seen were those on the TV screen, and anyone
>>>> who
>>>> suggested otherwise was ignored. The TV anchors reported what
>>>> they
>>>> saw on their monitors.
>>>>
>>>> I feel that all the CNN people were over time replaced with
>>>> hand-picked Bush/elite supporters. The last thing you want
>>>> around
>>>> you is someone who thinks and "gets it", so out they go. They may
>>>> all
>>>> Zionists, for that matter,
>>>>
>>>> So that means that they will never allow let alone encourage the
>>>> truth
>>>> to come out about how CNN plotted against America.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:29 AM
>>>> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A couple of thoughts:
>>>>
>>>> 1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be
>>>> able
>>>> to
>>>> get some
>>>> decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.
>>>>
>>>> 2) a couple of years ago, there was hardly any talk of the WTC
>>>> being
>>>> blown
>>>> up. Now demolition is all over the place and fairly widely
>>>> accepted
>>>> by 9/11
>>>> skeptics. I predict in another year or two, video manipulation
>>>> will
>>>> just as
>>>> widely accepted-- if we work at it. The important thing, the
>>>> video
>>>> fakery is so
>>>> damn obvous once you know where to look.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt"
>>>> <nicohaupt@...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>>>>>> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
>>>>>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>>>>> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:59:12 -0600
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe i just needed a refreshing pusher.
>>>>> I will not give up yet :)
>>>>> There is also still enough space to give the perps a hard time...
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's work on the 'prank' soon. I have now my tv team together.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ahem.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's
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>>>>>
>>>>> Heh.
>>>>> Four years ago I figured there was nothing to do but pray cos we
>>>>> were
>>>>> too late and all there was was me - alone - having noticed there
>>>>> was
>>>>> no
>>>>> plane at the first hit -- my first real clue how to dump the
>>>>> whole
>>>>> frameup.
>>>>>
>>>>> Talk about asymmetrical odds!!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is four years and some later, and I am still alive, a fact
>>>>> that
>>>>> amazes me all by itself.
>>>>> We've managed to drive the lemmings back from the cliff numerous
>>>>> times
>>>>> while we work out how to release them from their lemming spell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we are looking forward to a national tour
>>>>> http://911bluestour.com/
>>>>> To boogie our way to freedom.<<
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> NEU: GMX Phone_Flat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/telefonie
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:22:59 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Devvy Kidd advocates Lying as "respectful" Fwd: Your Penta lawn presentation]

I would never have guessed that Devvy Kidd would come on like a word I'd
have to moderate myself for.

People were affected by Empty Hole 93 so we should pretend the hole
wasn't empty for their sake?
What a twisty rotgut form of logic~~
I don't think it's the least bit funny that they created a 15 foot
smoldering hole and tried to pretend a plane crashed in it.
The Mayor, one of the first people on the scene didn't see any sign of
any plane.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/93/mayor1.htm
He did see FEMA guys there prematurely tho.
flash video:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/93/mayor.htm

A Reporter says there is nothing but a ten foot gash.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/93/hole.htm

I had a friend visit there too.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/93/crimescene.htm
She says it's on the grounds of a secret base.

The Pentalawn page is a good natured factual accounting.
It has been picked up by
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=8022

I would have thought better of Devvy Kidd. How disappointing that this
person thinks that humorless porkies are respectful, but a careful
accounting of common sense fact isn't?
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html
leads to a whole section that carefully documents this crime.
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77.html
This is an intensely respectful memorial, but what it respects is truth.

What is this world coming to that lying about how people died is
supposed to be a form of respect?

It seems to me that those people's lives would be vindicated by the real
facts coming out.
THEY DIDN"T USE PLANES.
They used lies.
It is a good clue why this world is going down the tubes when somebody
with the previously fine reputation of Devvy Kidd starts advocating
lying as a form of politeness.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Your Penta lawn presentation
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:40:55 -0800
From: devvyk@earthlink.net

To: webfairy@thewebfairy.com

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html

I don't know who to address this mail to, but I found your link off
Rense.com tonight.

Your Penta Lawn presentation is in very poor taste. I am fully aware of
the fairy tale told by the criminals who run our government, but people
died in the Pentagon that day. Decent Americans who were guilty of
nothing more than going to work.

Your sarcastic portrayal degrades and makes fun of a horrible, horrible
event and the cover up.

I believe you would be better served to show some respect for those who
died that day. Can you imagine a father, son, wife, husband, son or
daughter who happens on this page and sees this mockery of that day? Can
you take a moment to think about how they would feel seeing how you are
making fun of something so horrible?

To me, this is as tasteless as the web site that boasts "Find the
airplane" re Flight 93. I was in PA last summer and I can tell you, this
crash deeply affected the people who live in the surrounding area and
that web site that makes fun of "Find the Plane" "Let's Roll" It has
hurt a lof of those decent folks - people who had nothing to do with
Bush's policy making or anything else.

If you want to be taken seriously, please change your presentation to
something professional and respectful of our dead fellow Americans while
getting your scientific point to the reader.

Devvy Kidd

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