The first hit? No it isn't. It's the second. The first went dead centre. The second was off centre and near to the edge - hence travel along the wall inside. Hmmm.
----- Original Message -----From: Rosalee GrableSent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:36 PMSubject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from Group: Blog Post about Michael B. GreenThe raking explosion along the side is part of the first hit as caught
in the Pavel video which was really taken from a firetruck already in
line to Manhattan.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/pavel
The raking side explosion does fit that cartoonie notion of a SuperPlane
raking thru steel beams and concrete, but tough.
It's not possible. Wings are aluminum. They have fuel tanks inside.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane/crashflash.htm
Notice what happens when a plane touches a fence or a wire, a trivial
barrier compared to a series of concrete reinforced steel beams.
ron_winn wrote:
> May be, but it seems a very elaborate special effect to give the
> impression that something is passing through the inside and what pops
> out has passed the test of time [no argument as to its authencity] and
> that is a missile warhead. What that special effect would be achieving
> is that "their 175" was still going strong with its starboard wing
> stub cutting through the wall. It's requires too much thought process
> of both them and the public. It wasn't needed. You see, the concept of
> the plane in/missile out doesn't fit in with a no plane scenario. It
> needed to be adjusted to - no plane in/missile out. We can't argue a
> no plane scenario when we infer "plane in" but argue against missile
> out. Anyone like to counter that that is not a missile warhead popping
> out the north wall?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rosalee Grable <mailto:webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
> *To:* 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2006 6:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from
> Group: Blog Post about Michael B. Green
>
> Nothing says those are "wings cutting through the building."
> That's WAY
> TOO Cartoon.
> More likely the side of the building is being raked by a tesla
> cannon or
> even preplanted explosives from some hollywood special effects
> department.
> Farking wings would not stay attached and would not be
> karate-chopping
> their way through floors and walls intact like superman.
> That's silly stuff.
>
>
> ron_winn wrote:
> > Anything launched like that is too small, Nico.
> > The clips "Plane In/Missile Out" gives us the size. And it had
> small
> > wings that can be seen cutting through the building on the
> outside not
> > small fins.
> > Missiles could have been used as a distraction when looking outward
> > there is no looking inward.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Nico Haupt <mailto:nicohaupt@gmx.li>
> > *To:* 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Cc:* alexldent@yahoo.com <mailto:alexldent@yahoo.com>
> > *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2006 5:03 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from
> > Group: Blog Post about Michael B. Green
> >
> > > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > > Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com
> <mailto:alexldent@yahoo.com>>
> > > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique from
> Group:
> > Blog Post
> > > about Michael B. Green
> > > Datum: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:59:44 -0000
> > >
> >
> >
> > I don't believe, they came from a ship. Too many witnesses,
> too long
> > distance.
> >
> > I believe, the missiles were handshouldered or from a device
> in a
> > downtown
> > building. Unfortunately we never really mapped that area,
> > comparing with the
> > video clips, so that everything is a kind of speculation, but my
> > favourite
> > buildings are still woolworth building, wtc 7 or maybe even
> one of
> > the US
> > Military Helicopters, operated by a mercenary, who later got
> > killed in a
> > third country.
> >
> >
> > >>>>Okay. Now-- what are you saying about what the F16s were
> > doing going
> > out to the ocean? And are you saying the missiles came from
> a US Navy
> > ship or not?<<<
> >
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> > Okay. Now-- what are you saying about what the F16s were
> doing going
> > out to the ocean? And are you saying the missiles came from
> a US Navy
> > ship or not?
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn"
> <ron_winn@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > It's this word elements within that needs a definition.
> Many are
> > naming the element within as people in the administration
> but there
> > are of course other elements. Religious, political, military,
> > environmentalists, business & criminal elements.
> > >
> > > Not only does the word terrorism need defining but inside
> job needs
> > one too. A few have defined what they mean as an inside job.
> But other
> > use an inside job to encompass all the above elements which only
> > infers that that excludes those accused in the official
> story. It
> > might help the "movement" if an "inside job" was defined. It
> might be
> > more of a selling point if what was put to the people was
> "al Qaida
> > didn't do 9/11. How could they when 67(?) times in the past
> smaller
> > aircraft have been located in American skies and got
> themselves a
> > fighter escort."
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: alexldent
> > > To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:39 PM
> > > Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique
> from Group:
> > Blog Post about Michael B. Green
> > >
> > >
> > > You are touching on a fascinating idea-- that the navy
> shot the
> > missiles that
> > > were used on 9/11 and the F16s were sent out to check
> out what the
> > navy
> > > was doing (?)-- but I really don't follow your overall
> point.
> > Maybe the problem
> > > is just semantics on what "inside job" means. What is your
> > definition of "inside
> > > job"? Mine is simply that some elements of the USG were
> involved
> > actively in
> > > the attacks.
> > >
> > > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn"
> <ron_winn@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We know that F16's were sent out to sea which has
> never really
> > been
> > > explained. In fact it seems such a stupid thing to do.
> Or else too
> > obvious
> > > sending them on a wild goose chase as if to get them
> away from
> > where they
> > > might hinder the "inside job". NORAD say that every
> defence system
> > was
> > > pointing outwards towards an external threat. What forms of
> > external threat is
> > > there? Well, many speak of missiles. Missiles have to be
> > lauched from
> > > somewhere. Also why was the US Navy made ready soon
> after 9/11 was
> > all
> > > but over? What was the Navy going to do that the
> airforce couldn't
> > and
> > > apparently didn't on the day? The threats, we are told
> were purely
> > domestic
> > > flights. The atc's, the FAA and all other agencies were
> > concentrating of
> > > domestic flights. So NORAD sends out the F16's out to
> sea [and
> > Lord knows
> > > where the F15's got to] sounds very stupid, right. Do
> you think
> > the pilots would
> > > have been so silent if they knew they had been sent on a
> fools'
> > errand?
> > > >
> > > > IMO F16's were not sent on a wild goose chase and the Navy
> > wasn't made
> > > ready for a "domestic" inside job that was all but over.
> You can
> > speak of
> > > missiles but they had to come in from somewhere. And
> F16's sent up
> > must
> > > have been sent up with a purpose and that wasn't surely
> to get
> > them out of the
> > > way. The threat was "in your face" domestic. The
> military are not
> > dumb. That
> > > fits in too conveniently with the case of negligence
> that gets the
> > admin off the
> > > hook. You think the airforce F16's would have done a
> "victory"
> > flyover at the
> > > Pentagon if they had just come back from a wild goose chase.
> > > >
> > > > You see, it looks too obviously an inside job although
> that is
> > not to say
> > > assistance had to be obtained from insiders. This goes
> to the
> > point and the
> > > question - why if it was an purely an inside job
> wouldn't 767's
> > >from their
> > > graveyard in the desert have been used. If they had we
> wouldn't be
> > here
> > > today engaged in our search for the truth.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: alexldent
> > > > To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:04 AM
> > > > Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Critique
> from
> > Group: Blog
> > > Post about Michael B. Green
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>> I've never been convinced of an inside job
> although I have
> > an open
> > > > mind.<<<
> > > >
> > > > Wha????? If it wasn't an inside job, what were they
> > covering up?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn"
> > <ron_winn@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Your link doesn't work.
> > > > > Unfortunately the other one does.
> > > > > Interesting statement because if two real 767's or
> > substitutes were
> > > > in the plan then "11" would have been a scheduled
> flight. And
> > so would
> > > > "77". Or both flights would have been reported to be
> private
> > charters.
> > > > >
> > > > > Something flew into the north tower and to hastily
> cover up
> > what it
> > > > was flight "11" was used.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've never been convinced of an inside job
> although I have
> > an open
> > > > mind. So far there is enough to support a hasty
> cover up. The
> > Pentagon
> > > > attack being the most speedily concocted one, I believe.
> > Although 93
> > > > is running a close second.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Bill Giltner
> > > > > To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:19 PM
> > > > > Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Request for Critique
> from
> > Group: Blog
> > > > Post about Michael B. Green
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Check out my blog post here:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> http://bgtruth.blogspot.com/2006/02/we-believe-that-senior-
> > > government.HTML
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's my main point:
> > > > >
> > > > > Additional Commentary by this Blogger:
> > > > >
> > > > > Where Dr. Green goes horribly wrong: (is this on
> purpose?)
> > > > >
> > > > > "To put matters plainly: any substitute plane
> would be an
> > exact
> > > > duplicate of
> > > > > AA11 or UA175. To do anything else would be inviting
> > disaster. "
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/loose_change.html
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