Thursday, February 16, 2006

Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: How many people were in on the conspiracy?

Nico,
 
permission to post this most excellent and concise response elswhere?
 
Greg

Nico Haupt <nicohaupt@gmx.li> wrote:
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
> An: Ed Barner <edwinatlcom.net@mindspring.com>,
> 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: How many people were in on the conspiracy?
> Datum: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:17:42 -0600
>


Ed,

i answered this question a long time ago.
First in 2002, then in 2004 in my article series "the lost terror drill"

But you have first to learn to distinguish between the official 'plotline'
and the 'military operation'.

You can deceive as much people into a plotline, without telling them the
true outcome. All alleged suspects got killed or didn't exist.
In case of additional actors they got killed as well.

BlackOP helicopter pilots got possibly killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan or
Iraq in a combat or within the alleged helicopter crash accidents.

90% of the crew of the military operation died as a passengers on the
alleged flights, in reality reboarded and/or killed at different locations
than official version. Another percentage got killed in Pentagon, WTC 1, 2
and 7, maybe even captured in 6 and 5.


The helping hands, most of them involved in a real time terror drill
exercise, are related with their handlers who are sitting in the military
and oil think tanks.
I gave names. They also worked closely with PNAC members, which itself are
just puppets.

Both wars had been planned by different pentagon crews, unrelated to 9/11,
i.e. Charles Holland at Tampa.

If you look for masterminds, then you will end up in some grey zones, but i
gave names as well.
Think Reagan Crew 80s, Kissinger/Baker plus new power brokers from
military/intel  contractors. Think World Bank, Federal Reserve and major oil
pipeline project managers.
Historians and Revisionist often simplify the mastermind
into Mossad, CIA and MI5/6 (with moles at Saudi and pakistani
intelligence),but i think the real masterminds used these fronts as puppets
as well.

If it comes to intel, you also have to distinguish between plotline and
military operation. I gave name of producers for the MO, from Titan to
Anzus.

What plotline depends, i have a much bigger profile for dutch and german
intelligence than the usual 'saudi distraction'.
Now you know why Jaap de Hoop Scheffer and Schroeder got promoted.
They don't even need to know who did the real 9/11. They did their own
limited hangout in time on pending 'terror attacks'







>>>>This is an interesting question.
I post it to 911insidejobbers.
I think it is a coven of 13 in Lictenstien communicating directly with
demonics who can see beyond time.


Ed Barner wrote:
> Hi Rosalee.
> What's your take?
> Forward this if you agree with any of it. If not, its just between us.
>
> How many people were  in on the 9/11 conspiracy?
>
> Critics of the 9/11 movement say that 9/11 could not have been a
> domestic conspiracy because it would have taken such a large number of
> conspirators to carry it off.
> That does sound logical,  but it's not really necessary that it take
> that many.<<

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This is an interesting question.
I post it to 911insidejobbers.
I think it is a coven of 13 in Lictenstien communicating directly with
demonics who can see beyond time.


Ed Barner wrote:
> Hi Rosalee.
> What's your take?
> Forward this if you agree with any of it. If not, its just between us.
>
> How many people were  in on the 9/11 conspiracy?
>
> Critics of the 9/11 movement say that 9/11 could not have been a
> domestic conspiracy because it would have taken such a large number of
> conspirators to carry it off.
> That does sound logical,  but it's not really necessary that it take
> that many.
>
> This post is speculative for future comparisons to the eventual truth.
> but 9/11 could have been brought about with as few as 100
> conspirators.
> It would only take about 40 order givers and possibly 60 more
> informed insiders who were order takers.
> All others could be hoodwinked and co-opted.
>
> It really didn't take a large number of people.
>
> The corporate controlled media just went about its usual job of
> ignoring all of the right things. They don't necessarily know the
> truth.
> The military just followed orders.
> The elected officials who were out of the loop, just went about
> ignoring anything that looked vaguely like a black op, as usual.
>
> The flim flam of the world could have been done by 100  order giving
> insiders.
>
> As an aside, The ones who may not have been in the know, who might
> talk if pressed, are the flight controllers.
>
> Here's how I figure.
> If it was me undertaking this vile act, I'd have had the following
> people informed and on my team by threats, the payment of largess and
> perks.
>
> The Heads of the FBI, CIA, FAA  and the NSA had to be in on it. They
> are mostly inured to chicanery and close to the members of PNAC
> Underlings  in those agencies have non disclosure agreements that keep
> them silent.
> Various security wanna be's had to be bought or rented.That is
> ordinary business.They never see or hear anything, for a living.
>
> Members of PNAC ( of course, the winners in all of this, who are  the
> planners and co-ordinators, along with the New York Port Authority
> leadership ( who got rid of some albatross real estate that was
> asbestos ridden by accident. instead of by the expenditure of
> billions. They did a major amount of the physical cover-up.
> FEMA's leadership.( who also took part in the cover-up).
> The Pentagons leadership, Rumsfeld, from PNAC.
> The Mayor of New York, Giuliani along with  Bloomberg and Eliot
> Spitzer.
> Larry Silverstein and  Peter G. Peterson,of the Blackstone Group,and
> Chairman of the C.F.R, who financed  and carried out the trade center
> lease in June of 2001 in association with Henry Kissinger, who must be
> a senile coot by now.
> Later someone at NIST would have to be aboard and of course the 9/11
> commission, chosen from insiders.
> Now add the Executives and staff at the White House and the demolition
> team that took it's orders from them ( Munitions expert Richard J.
> Spanard and his three man crew, who were assigned to the Executive
> branch _Very_ Important _Persons detail,and  who were reported as
> going to building 7 shortly after 9 am on september 11th.)
> There were the execs of Fresh Kills and the ship that took steel out
> of the country who would need to be co-opted, overseen and vetted.
> Let's see, There's Goss and  Graham,who took care of the payment of
> the  terrorist patsies, Tenet, Ashcroft, and  Gonzales,aided and
> abetted the coup.
>
> The NYFD was silenced, though they talked plenty,and are not implicit.
> Little is known about the New York Police involvement. They could have
> been kept under control by Giuliani's office and non disclosure
> agreements.
> There was a judge, who issued veiled gag orders on the actual
> witnesses of the crime from the buildings, who had to be in on the
> 'gag'
>
> Where am I now, about 100 insiders and maybe 200 more in a position to
> have figured it out.
>
> In a government fueled by 190 proof greed that is a number that I can
> believe.
>
> So, according to me,  9/11 was  made to happen by about 300 traitors,
> including 200 of those who should have spilled the beans without
> actual involvement and 100  people in positions to give orders.
> That's not too many people to have to keep in line if you have a
> virtually unlimited budget and airtight secrecy backed by "National
> Security Letters"
>
> I learn from argument, What have you got?
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