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Claim: The damage to the Pentagon on Don’t be so sure… Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2002]
Origins: The notion that the Pentagon was not damaged by terrorists who hijacked American Airlines Unfortunately, the appeal of conspiracy theories has resulted in widespread dissemination of Meyssan's "theory" in France and the USA, particularly in web sites that mirror his work. As Le Nouvel Observateur noted: "This theory suits everyone - there are no Islamic extremists and everyone is happy. It eliminates reality." The text cited in the example above comes from a Hunt the Boeing! And test your perceptions! web site, one of the English-language mirrors of Meyssan's claims, where readers are invited to ponder a series of questions about why photographs of the damaged Pentagon seemingly show no evidence of a crashed airplane. The answers to the questions are:
Despite the appearances of exterior photographs, the Boeing According to a DRAWING? If I drew you a picture of "Bigfoot", would you believe he existed? That news report states “The hijacked plane that crashed into the Pentagon Tuesday tore through all five rings and five floors of the structure.” As 60 Minutes II reported in their "Miracle of the Pentagon" episode on
Some news reports and the 9/11 Commission claim the plane came in faster than 350 mph: "American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, traveling at approximately 530 miles per hour." -9/11 Commission Exterior photographs are misleading because they show only the intact roof structures of the outer rings and don't reveal that the plane penetrated all the way to the ground floor of the third ring. As a U.S. Army press release noted back on That’s funny, the Pentagon said it was the plane’s nose that punched out hole in the inside wall of the 3rd ring! Recall that when the first airliner was flown into a World Trade Center tower on Already mentioned that other news reports claim Flight 77 flew into the building faster than 400 mph. hit aluminum-and-glass buildings rather than reinforced concrete walls, and didn't dissipate much of their energy striking the ground first (as the Pentagon plane did), Where’s your proof that Flight 77 struck the ground first? If you look at all the crash scene photo’s that show the lawn in front of explosion site, the lawn shows absolutely no signs of skid marks from a plane hitting the ground first. Remember that on a Boeing 757, the engines hang lower than the rest of the plane. they still barely penetrated all the way through the WTC towers. Now let me get this straight. You’re saying that the two planes that hit the WTC flew faster into a less fortified building than the Pentagon, however Flight 77 flew slower, hit the ground first before crashing into a heavily fortified building and managed to penetrate further into that building than the two planes that flew into the WTC? Wow! Now if that scenario doesn’t defy the laws of physics, I don’t know what does! Below is a recent
Now how does this picture prove the damage that was said to be caused by Flight 77? They could have demolished the entire pentagon, took a picture of it being built back up, and said the plane caused it all.
As eyewitnesses described and photographs demonstrate, the hijacked airliner dived so low as it approached the Pentagon that it actually hit the ground first, Not only did I NOT see any Boeing 757 in those photographs, I especially didn’t see one "hit the ground first"! I think the Pentagon’s lawn in front of the explosion site with no skid marks on it proves that Flight 77 didn’t hit the ground first. thereby dissipating much of the energy that might otherwise have caused more extensive damage to the building; nonetheless, as described by The New York Times, the plane still hit not "just the ground floor" but between the first and second floors:
Wow! Another amazing feat! Flight 77 hit the ground first (although it didn’t leave any skid marks on the grass!), had its energy dissipated, and still managed to penetrate “three of the five concentric rings of the building” with “reinforced concrete walls” and a “reinforced, 24-inch-thick outer wall”! Man, that’s one tough plane! Another account of the crash described:
Next question:
You'll recall from the discussions above that the hijacked airliner did not "only hit the ground floor of the Pentagon's first ring" — it struck the Pentagon between the first and second floors and blasted all the way through to the third ring. Because the plane disappeared into the building's interior after penetrating the outer ring, it was not visible in photographs taken from outside the Pentagon. Moreover, since the airliner was full of jet fuel Flight 77 was said to have flown all the out to the Ohio/Kentucky border and then back to the Pentagon, an estimated 800 mile trip at least. I doubt the plane was still full of jet fuel. and was flown into thick, reinforced concrete walls at high speed, exploding in a fireball, any pieces of wreckage large enough to be identifiable in after-the-fact photographs taken from a few hundred feet away burned up in the intense fire that followed the crash (just as the planes flown into the World Trade Center towers burned up, and the intensity of their jet-fuel fires caused both towers to collapse). Small pieces of airplane debris were plainly visible on the Pentagon lawn in other photographs, however, such as the one below:
I thought you just said, “any pieces of wreckage large enough to be identifiable in after-the-fact photographs taken from a few hundred feet away burned up in the intense fire”?
The claim that the "Defence Secretary" ordered the lawn to be sanded over is false. A base of sand and gravel was laid on the Pentagon lawn because the trucks and other heavy equipment used to haul away the debris (as shown in the photograph below) would have been slipping and sliding on the grass and become mired in the Pentagon lawn otherwise.
The funny thing is that nobody has been able to answer why there is no skid marks on the lawn or plane debris either.
As the front of the You mean they folded back like the wings on a F-14 jetfighter and then stayed with the fuselage on the way in? That’s the funniest explanation of what happened to the wings I’ve heard yet!!! What “carried” these wings into the building's interior? The magical “wing carrying fairies”?!! Remember, according to the Pentagon, the plane struck the building at an approximate 45* angle so the left side wing definitely would have sheered off. Wouldn’t a better explanation be that the wings snapped off and bounced back off the building’s wall? Well, that didn’t happen obviously because we see no evidence of wings there, so the only other explanation there could be is that Flight 77 didn’t crash there! the inner portions of the wings probably penetrated the Pentagon walls with the rest of the plane. Any sizable portions of the wings were destroyed in the explosion or the subsequent fire. You are saying “probably” so we then can also say “probably not”. Where’s your proof that it did? Now, you just showed a “sizable” piece of debris in the photo above. Why wasn’t that piece destroyed in the explosion or the subsequent fire? Nonetheless, damage to the building caused by the plane's wings is plainly visible in photographs, such as the one below (note the blackened sections on both sides of the impact site):
Wow! Flight 77’s left wing must have been four times longer than it’s right wing! And could you have found a blurrier photo? I can only imagine if “Hunt the Boeing” or any other conspiracy site had this picture as some kind of proof and all the comments people would say about this photo being altered or something!
The exact quote offered here was:
The fire chief wasn't asked "where the aircraft was"; he was asked "Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?" He did indeed provide an answer to the question he was asked: There were no large sections of the plane left by the time he was asked (the day after the attack) because they had been smashed into smaller pieces by the impact and then burned up; all that remained were smaller pieces visible only from the interior of the Pentagon. He also said, “So we don't know. I don't know” and in the rest of his statement, he also says, “there's no fuselage sections and that sort of thing.”
Immediately after Actually, there are a few photos that show all of the impact point. In photographs like the one provided (below left), the impact site is obscured by water from firefighters' hoses and smoke. A two-story high impact hole does exist right behind the fireman in the photograph, but it's covered over by water issuing from the fire truck. Yes, you can see the very top of the impact hole. A couple of things are interesting to point out, it doesn’t look like the tail section did any damage to the building, the engines didn’t make any skid marks on the lawn, and the 2 story high impact hole was supposedly made by a 3 story tall plane! Hmmmm? What happened to the tail section and the engines? By the time the smoke and water cleared, additional portions of the building had collapsed (below right), further obscuring the impact point.
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