This actually makes uncovering the truth about what happened to the WTC a
HUGE SAFETY issue if people now think reinforced concrete buildings are
safer than steel-- when they aren't!
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Cathy Garger <
savorsuccesslady@...> wrote:
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> This MIGHT be a boon to 9/11 truth !!! Much Better to read at website
(because some words are missing when I cut and pasted).
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> Here is link:
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> Post 9/11 Steel-Bashing Called Unfounded and Unfair
> Steel-bashing, after jarring 9/11 experience, called unfounded and unfair
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> (enr.construction.com - 02/06/06)
> By Nadine M. Post
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> Enlarge + Of the many horror stories born in New York City on 9/11,
the one that belongs to Herbert Margrill serves as the genesis of an ongoing
storm between boosters of structural concrete and structural steel. Although
New York's building market has become the battleground, the tempest has
spread beyond, fueled in part by articles and advertisements published in the
business press. Charges of steel-bashing are flying and steel interests are
fighting back. Even structural engineers are incensed over what they say are
blatantly false claims by publicist Margrill that concrete framing is inherently
safer than steel.
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> It all started on Sept. 11, 2001, when Margrill, now 81 years old, was
knocked out of bed by the ear-drum-splitting sound wave produced by the
hijacked plane that terrorists crashed into the 110-story One WTC. The
industrial public relations and advertising veteran fled his home-office near
Ground Zero and didn't return for three weeks. "To me, it was a numbing
experience," he says.
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> In 2002, still-traumatized, Margrill decided to do his bit to help make the
world safer. He called an old friend, Alfred G. Gerosa, a six-decade veteran of
concrete construction, to discuss a plan. They decided "to educate people
about the safety aspects of cast-in-place reinforced concrete so that terrible
disasters don't happen again," says Margrill.
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> GEROSA By January 2003, the long-dormant Concrete Alliance,
with Gerosa as president and Margrill as vice president of communications,
was incorporated with safety as its new mission. Or more specifically, safety
as it relates to concrete behavior in calamities, such as fires, terrorist acts,
earthquakes, hurricanes and floods.
> The promotional group is supported by New York City-area concrete
contractors and construction unions. This fall, the alliance plans to launch an
initiative that would offer a "safety seal of approval" to owners of concrete-
framed buildings, which they could use for marketing purposes.
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> In the group's marketing brochure, Gerosa says, "Concrete is the best
material to use for safety, blast resistance, durability, flexibility....A cast-in-
place, reinforced concrete structure is safer than any other commercial
building type." He adds: "Structural steel is fine. We don't object to a steel
structure if it is fireproofed properly," with cast-in-place concrete.
> Enlarge + But the alliance lacks any scientific evidence, research or
statistics to substantiate its claims that concrete is safer than steel. "It's our
educated opinion, based on over 50 years of experience," says Gerosa.
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> Structural engineers say alliance claims are not only without merit, they are
out of bounds. "Their assertion that concrete structures are safer than steel is
based not on facts but on their greed to build concrete structures...," says
Clifford Schwinger, quality assurance manager with Cagley Harman &
Associates Inc., King of Prussia, Pa. "That they are trying to profit from the 9/11
tragedy by claiming concrete construction is safer is worse than obscene."
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> The alliance now is pushing concrete office towers, a building type long
dominated in New York City by structural steel. "Before 9/11, we pretty much
felt concrete itself was not practical for commercial highrises...," says Gerosa.
> OAS_AD('Middle'); The alliance has infuriated steel interests.
The American Institute of Steel Construction Inc., Chicago, calls the group's
"steel-bashing" tactics, "negative and unprofessional." AISC maintains that
concrete does not offer better fire resistance, blast resistance or structural
robustness. "These are all characteristics of well-designed buildings, which
can be provided in buildings of any material," says Charles J. Carter, AISC
chief structural engineer. "But our work on fire, blast, progressive collapse and
related topics," continuing with various publications and design guides,
"began well before the events of Sept. 11, 2001," he adds.
>
> Structural engineers who work with both concrete and steel systems agree.
David Scott, the new chairman of the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban
Habitat and a principal in the New York City office of Arup, calls the alliance's
message about fire, nonsense. "What the building community has learned...is
that tall office buildings that have no sprinklers and no fire protection on
columns will not perform well in a fire," he says.
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> Even veteran concrete promoters are distancing themselves from the
alliance. George Barney, senior vice president for market development and
technical services at Portland Cement Association, Skokie, Ill., says: "PCA's
90-year reputation is built on technical excellence and integrity. That's our
culture. We do not indulge in negative promotional tactics, nor do we
disparage competing materials."
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> Best of Both. Convention center has steel roof and concrete framing
below. The alliance's message "is a source of confusion," says Michael Mota,
PCA's New York regional structural engineer. "There's a place for both
materials."
>
> The alliance began fomenting the brouhaha as far back as April 2004,
when Margrill sent out a press release via e-mail promoting a New York City
Concrete Promotional Council seminar, on 505 Fifth Avenue. The building
was touted as the first concrete commercial highrise in New York City—one
initially designed in steel. "New York skyscrapers used to be built of steel,"
said the release. "Not anymore!
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> From now on, cast-in-place reinforced concrete will be the material of
choice in the Big Apple."
>
> The claim was spurious. There are at least seven structural steel or hybrid
(steel and concrete) office towers recently completed, under way, out for bid
or in planning in New York City, reports AISC.
>
> Still, the message was repeated in various industry publications, taking the
local debate national. "It is critical that owners, architects, structural engineers,
and developers make informed decisions based on accurate information, not
misrepresentations spread by representatives of competing systems," replied
AISC's then-president, H. Louis Gurthet.
>
>
> The straw that broke the camel's back for AISC was the alliance's
marketing blitz after a recent highrise fire in Madrid. The campaign included a
full-page magazine ad. It began: "A demonstration of cast-in-place reinforced
concrete over steel construction was the recent fire at Madrid's Windsor
Tower."
>
> Scott Melnick, AISC's vice president of communications and editor and
publisher of AISC's Modern Steel Construction, shot back with an editorial:
"Their latest fairy tale tells the story of the Windsor Tower in Madrid and how it
was consumed by a fire that raged for 36 hours. In their story, they report how
the building had a concrete frame below the 21st floor and it remained intact,
while the building's steel frame from floors 22 to 30 collapsed. There are just a
few problems with this story, however. The steel in the building was simply an
unprotected steel perimeter framing system primarily supporting the cladding.
Second, both the unprotected perimeter framing system and the concrete
beams and columns experienced a similar collapse...."To further dispel such
stories, AISC's Carter notes a survey of fire-induced collapses in buildings
worldwide, performed for the National Institute of Standards and Technology.
"The majority of buildings that suffered fire-induced collapse were
> in fact reinforced concrete," he says.
>
> The alliance's push for concrete cores is self-serving at best, he adds. If
society prioritizes hardening of cores, it can be done with steel frames with
masonry infill, concrete shear walls or steel plate shear walls.
>
> Choice of framing is not about safety, say designers. "You can provide
adequate safety using either material, following a proper design and
performance standard," says Ahmad Rahimian, president of WSP Cantor
Seinuk, New York City.
> And for many projects, such as convention centers, stadiums, airports and
skyscrapers, the solution is often a hybrid system. "The question is not
whether the building should be in concrete or steel but how to use the two
most effectively," says Rahimian.
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