Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911TruthAction] Digest Number 1136

Sunday, February 19, 2006

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1136

There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. IMPEACH
From: Bugs <brawny@twlakes.net>
2. ***Email Tax***Action Alert***
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
3. RE: New rule to stop the disruptors?
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
4. RE: New rule to stop the disruptors?
From: John Perna <savefreedom2005@yahoo.com>
5. Re: Why is 911 Gatekeeper speaking at NYC March for 9/11 Truth Monday!
From: alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com>
6. It is Time for The United Nations to Charge The U.S. with War Crimes !
From: ranger116@webtv.net
7. Iran's switch to euros?
From: alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com>
8. Re: Bloggers in Amsterdam
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
9. 9/11 Update - 2/18
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
10. Freemason are spamming my petition
From: "copernicus122223" <copernicus122223@yahoo.com>
11. Re: Iran's switch to euros?
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
12. Re: Iran's switch to euros?
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
13. Analysis of executive order 13292 A careful reading of Vice President
From: ranger116@webtv.net
14. Kevin Hammond...you did well
From: "Lowell Byrd" <cbyrdman@yahoo.com>
15. How many sent money to Douglas Clark?
From: "Lowell Byrd" <cbyrdman@yahoo.com>
16. RE: Kevin Hammond...you did well
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
17. ***SOS***Can anyone make me a link for the last press release? ASAP
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
18. Emailed this around 4 pm Eastern time and it hasn't posted yet...Posting @ group
From: "Marsha" <Mofmars3@wmconnect.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:52:25 -0600
From: Bugs <brawny@twlakes.net>
Subject: IMPEACH

SEND REASONS TO IMPEACH BUSH / CHENEY TO
www.hurleypatriot.org,
PLEASE HELP IMPEACH ALL AT 1600 PENN AVE

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:25:33 EST
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
Subject: ***Email Tax***Action Alert***

I don't know if it's true or not about petitions not doing any good

But just in case, this is an important one...If the email tax is allowed to
slip by us...We are out of business in our cyberactivism

Please sign, to at least generate concern on this matter as there is a slim
chance that could possibly make the difference needed

Please forward everywhere...Just in case

Marsha

http://www.grassfire.org/68/petition.asp?PID=10539334&NID=1

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:34:07 -0800
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
Subject: RE: New rule to stop the disruptors?

John,

I am not a moderator of this group. I was just sharing my data
about flamers and the definition of.

I believe that you might also agree that just general disruption
of the group without directly attacking any individual would also be just as
effective of a way to make sure that most members stopped reading what is
posted and confusion was still the order of the day, instead of
communications being about what the group is here for.

My personal feelings are that dealing with troublesome people
should be sent directly to the Owner and Moderators, you can look them up on
the home page , look for the e-mail address on the bottom of the page that
has ‘owner’ in it and send to that address, all the moderators and owner
will get your post.

Then you have communicated to the people who are responsible for this group
without disrupting the group in which this case, our group purpose is 911
and getting the truth out. It also means that a mess of us don’t have to
read messages that are only the responsibility of the group moderators to
deal with.

Scott

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From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Perna
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:53 AM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] New rule to stop the disruptors?

Check the archives.
My posts were general information
and comments about disinformers;
which mentioned no names.

My posts often stated this:
"This does not mention anyone's name.
If there is anyone who thinks that this description accurately
applies to himself,
that person is invited to comment."

I mentioned Disinformers,
WITHOUT MENTIONING ANYONE'S NAME,
and there was one member who took offense, and popped in! to comment.
I did not mention anyone's name,
but apparently someone insisted, and still insists, that this was about
them.

It makes perfect sense to ban the person WHO ACTUALLY IS
making personal attacks BY NAME.

It makes NO sense AT ALL to ban the person WHO IS NOT
making personal attacks, BUT who just
"hit the nail on the head" so well that the disinformer
identified himself by taking it personally.

Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:
Accusing someone of being a mole/troll/cointelpro/spy, definitely is a
pointed personal derogatory remark (unless the rare person out there just
loves the label).

OK, how about this?:
From now on, let's consider all spy/cointelpro accusations of list members
as a form of flaming. Under this rule, you can still accuse people not in
this group of being disinfo agents (although this too, i! s a very annoying
distraction), but if one accuses a fellow 911truthaction group member of
being an agent/spy, they will be warned once. If they do it again, they will
be removed.

For those on this list who are currently engaged in spy-accusation battles,
you are free to continue your threads, but from here on out you must debate
only the issues and refrain from further personal attacks or accusations.

If anyone disagrees with this policy suggestion, let me know. If no one
disagrees, I think it should be made effective immediately.

Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:
I think this will help.

Personally I like the no flaming rule. It works like this;
!

A flame is a derogatory remark, pointedly personal at a group member. Issues
are OK for flame ! the hell out of, people on the group, no way.

In one of my larger groups we have found ! that what drives people off
fast, are Flame wars, Spam, and the same article being posted repeatedly.
Flame wars cost a group of 600 members about 3 members a day for at least 3
days after then flaming has stopped. That is, one day of flame wars can cost
10 members.

You can’t get the word out if the group members are now looking at the
negative side of being in the group.

If you want the cointel disinformation subversives agents here on this list,
as it has appeared to me, then post it on the home page so the new members
know what is up and that they have to fig! ure this out fro themselves.

Stick to the groups purpose, rules only facilitate achieving your purpose.

Hi everyone,

As you've all noticed, there have been a lot of divisive posts lately with
people attacking others as Cointelpro, etc. And this can be very depressing
and distracting. That's what they want. So don't let it get to you. Don't
let them ruin this very important group. W! e can figure out a way to fix
this problem.
Here's my suggestion:
NEW RULE. If you want to post something accusing another list member of
being a spy or disruptor, you must first send it OFF-LIST to the moderators
for approval. If you send it to the entire group, you will be warned. If you
do it again, you will be removed.

In general, I've always said that I think it's a bad idea to launch
spy/disruptor accusations on the list. Because then it just leads to more
accusations and more disruption. The best way to handle someone you suspect
is a disruptor is to a) ignore them, or b) express your disagreement with t!
heir arguments in a polite, respectful manner. I think if we can all agree
to ! do this, we can keep the real disruptors from achieving their goal,
which is to destroy the morale of this group.

Any further suggestions are appreciated.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:29:38 -0800 (PST)
From: John Perna <savefreedom2005@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: New rule to stop the disruptors?

After the personal attacks have already been allowed it is
easy to be somewhat pessimistic about the prospects of any relief from this procedure.
I think that restraint from responding in kind with similar personal attacks is the most that anyone should expect from a victim of this abuse.
Clarifying the issues with information that names no one should be acceptable.

Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:

v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} John,

I am not a moderator of this group. I was just sharing my data about flamers and the definition of.

I believe that you might also agree that just general disruption of the group without directly attacking any individual would also be just as effective of a way to make sure that most members stopped reading what is posted and confusion was still the order of the day, instead of communications being about what the group is here for.

My personal feelings are that dealing with troublesome people should be sent directly to the Owner and Moderators, you can look them up on the home page , look for the e-mail address on the bottom of the page that has ‘owner’ in it and send to that address, all the moderators and owner will get your post.

Then you have communicated to the people who are responsible for this group without disrupting the group in which this case, our group purpose is 911 and getting the truth out. It also means that a mess of us don’t have to read messages that are only the responsibility of the group moderators to deal with.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Perna
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:53 AM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] New rule to stop the disruptors?

Check the archives.
My posts were general information
and comments about disinformers;
which mentioned no names.

My posts often stated this:
"This does not mention anyone's name.
If there is anyone who thinks that this description accurately
applies to himself,
that person is invited to comment."

I mentioned Disinformers,
WITHOUT MENTIONING ANYONE'S NAME,
and there was one member who took offense, and popped in! to comment.
I did not mention anyone's name,
but apparently someone insisted, and still insists, that this was about them.

It is safe to conclude that if one were to throw a rock into a pen full of
pigs,
and one of them squealed,
that the one that squealed,
would be the one that you had hit.
Who is it that says that this "shoe fits"?
It is a good dog, who knows his name,
and comes when he is called.

It makes perfect sense to ban the person WHO ACTUALLY IS
making personal attacks BY NAME.

It makes NO sense AT ALL to ban the person WHO IS NOT
making personal attacks, BUT who just
"hit the nail on the head" so well that the disinformer
identified himself by taking it personally.

Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:
Accusing someone of being a mole/troll/cointelpro/spy, definitely is a pointed personal derogatory remark (unless the rare person out there just loves the label).

-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alan random
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:28 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] New rule to stop the disruptors?

OK, how about this?:
From now on, let's consider all spy/cointelpro accusations of list members as a form of flaming. Under this rule, you can still accuse people not in this group of being disinfo agents (although this too, i! s a very annoying distraction), but if one accuses a fellow 911truthaction group member of being an agent/spy, they will be warned once. If they do it again, they will be removed.

For those on this list who are currently engaged in spy-accusation battles, you are free to continue your threads, but from here on out you must debate only the issues and refrain from further personal attacks or accusations.

If anyone disagrees with this policy suggestion, let me know. If no one disagrees, I think it should be made effective immediately.

Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:

I think this will help.

Personally I like the no flaming rule. It works like this;

A flame is a derogatory remark, pointedly personal at a group member. Issues are OK for flame ! the hell out of, people on the group, no way.

In one of my larger groups we have found ! that what drives people off fast, are Flame wars, Spam, and the same article being posted repeatedly. Flame wars cost a group of 600 members about 3 members a day for at least 3 days after then flaming has stopped. That is, one day of flame wars can cost 10 members.

You can’t get the word out if the group members are now looking at the negative side of being in the group.

If you want the cointel disinformation subversives agents here on this list, as it has appeared to me, then post it on the home page so the new members know what is up and that they have to fig! ure this out fro themselves.

Stick to the groups purpose, rules only facilitate achieving your purpose.

-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alan random
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:13 PM
To: 911truthaction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] New rule to stop the disruptors?

Hi everyone,

As you've all noticed, there have been a lot of divisive posts lately with people attacking others as Cointelpro, etc. And this can be very depressing and distracting. That's what they want. So don't let it get to you. Don't let them ruin this very important group. W! e can figure out a way to fix this problem.

Here's my suggestion:

NEW RULE. If you want to post something accusing another list member of being a spy or disruptor, you must first send it OFF-LIST to the moderators for approval. If you send it to the entire group, you will be warned. If you do it again, you will be removed.

In general, I've always said that I think it's a bad idea to launch spy/disruptor accusations on the list. Because then it just leads to more accusations and more disruption. The best way to handle someone you suspect is a disruptor is to a) ignore them, or b) express your disagreement with t! heir arguments in a polite, respectful manner. I think if we can all agree to ! do this, we can keep the real disruptors from achieving their goal, which is to destroy the morale of this group.

Any further suggestions are appreciated.

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:59:34 -0800 (PST)
From: alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why is 911 Gatekeeper speaking at NYC March for 9/11 Truth Monday!

Oh god, here we go again...

Hicks is NOT a gatekeeper! He is 100% MIHOP and even has a new book out on the subject. He does believe, like a lot of MIHOP folks, that a plane did hit the Pentagon. This does not make him a gatekeeper. We can all agree to disagree on what exactly happened at the Pentagon w/o being "gatekeepers", OK Angie?

I think it's FANTASTIC that Hicks will be speaking at this event and I hope it's a great success.

If you wish to engage in further divisive namecalling, do us all a favor and do it OFF-LIST.

angiesept11 <angiesept11@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why is 911 Gatekeeper Sander Hicks one
of the people listed as speaking at supposedly
anti-gatekeeping 911 march? Hicks is a 911 Gatekeeper!!
This is both hilarious and disgusting at the same time.

Angie
911 Truth Movement Musings (Watching the Watchers)
http://www.Angieon911.com
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From: greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:46 pm
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] WING TV announced Greg Nixon as guest
(02/17) nxngrg

>>>>>She is a planehugger huh? I am not. I want the message to be f--k
the gatekeepers I hope that's what comes across.

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "President, USA Exile Govt."
<prez@...> wrote:
>
> Forwarded with Compliments of Government of the USA in Exile (GUSAE):
> Free Americans Resisting the Fourth Reich on Behalf of All Species.
> NOTE: Thanks to flyingsnail.com for this; I hope everyone within 100
> miles of NYC will attend this critically important, deftly focused
> demo; by the way, many other groups can be added to the list of
> "establishment left gatekeepers" below and the one that comes most
> quickly to mind for me is so-called MoveOn: Move on over, MoveOn.org,
> or we'll move on over you. -- kl, pp
>
> http://www.flyingsnail.com/
>
> Presidents' Day "March for 9/11 Truth,"
> NYC Ground Zero, 10 a.m.
Monday,
> 2/20/06
>
> Activists Plan 60s-Style Protest against "War Crimes" and
> "Media Cover-Up of 9/11" in downtown Manhattan.
>
>
> New York City, NY (PRWEB) February 18, 2006 -- Vermonter Greg
Nixon is
> a man on a mission to save America - from itself. He is one of a new
> breed of issue-oriented activists who were often not even involved in
> politics before 9/11. What mobilizes him is a prospect of
indescribable
> horror: he sees plain proof that the WTC was destroyed on 9/11 in an
> undercover operation within America's own military-intelligence
> establishment.
>
> From all angles, it's a topsy-turvy world view, that can bowl one
over
> with vertigo at first. A mirror world with such contrarian
coordinates
> as:
>
> - the terrorists are Americans, not Arabs;
>
> - ex-mayor Giuliani and George Bush are suspects, not heroes of 9/11;
>
> - much as the Bush administration capitalized on 9/11 to advance
its
> agenda, the 9/11 Truthers seize on it as the Achilles Heel of the "new
> militarism," with evidence of a controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and
> 7 as the smoking gun or fatal flaw in the official version;
>
> - "left-leaning" media like The Nation, Pacifica's Democracy Now,
and
> The New York Times, along with groups like ANSWER and the Democratic
> Party, are not seen as a real opposition; because they don't accept
> "9/11 Truth," they are just playing a part in the plans for World War
> IV on the oil fields of the Middle East.
>
> Indeed, Greg Nixon would like the President's Day March to take aim
> especially at the "establishment left gatekeepers."
>
> The plan for Monday's march is fairly ad hoc. After assembling at
WTC
> Ground Zero, the protesters may march to Attorney General Elliot
> Spitzer's office with a letter demanding his resignation for failing
to
> investigate 9/11. Last year, 9/11 activists in New York filed an
> extensive complaint with Spitzer, and hopes were high for a time that
> he might take up the case. Offices of the above-mentioned "left-wing
> gatekeepers" could be next.
>
> Speakers expected are Greg Nixon and others, including:
>
> Craig Hill, the Vermont Green Party senatorial candidate, who
> includes photographic evidence of the WTC demolition in his campaign
> platform. His website is
>
> http://www.hillsenatenow.org.
>
> Sander Hicks, author of the 9/11 expose "The Big Wedding" and
owner of
> the Vox Pop Democracy Cafe in Brooklyn,
>
> http://www.voxpopnet.net.
>
> 9/11 activist, historian and radio personality Webster Tarpley will
> speak at a Greg Nixon event on April 27th at the University of
> Vermont. Tarpley is devoting his energies to opposing the latest war
> drive on Iran. He says the plan is to attack Iran already by the end
of
> March, which leaves much less time for mobilizing springtime
> demonstrations such as we saw before the attack on Iraq. (see
>
> http://www.waronfreedom.org/activists/stop-amerigeddon.html)
>
> He is the author of "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA".
>
> During the run-up to the Iraq war, 9/11 activists tried but failed to
> convince the peace movement that exposing 9/11 was the only way to
stop
> the juggernaut of war. They felt that rank-and-file pacifists were
> receptive, but the leadership marched to a different, establishment
> tune.
>
> More details on the Presidents' Day march at
>
> http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/332307.shtml.
>
> See also the feature article on the march at
>
> http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php
>
> "2/20 March for 9/11 Truth NYC: The Tipping Point? The world is at
the
> most serious crossroads in modern history. The fraudulent 'War on
> Terror' threatens the very future of humanity."
>
> For an interview with Greg Nixon, see
>
> http://www.phillyimc.org/en/2006/02/19016.shtml.
>
> Quote: "Bring your digital camera, too. Because something tells me
> that history is going to be made in New York City this upcoming
Monday,
> in honor of President's Day. That's the day those actually informed
> about 9/11 will gather together in NYC to honor the birthday of the
> first GW. You know, the GW who was unable to tell a lie."
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:21:51 -0500
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: It is Time for The United Nations to Charge The U.S. with War Crimes !

It is Time for The United Nations to Charge The U.S. with War Crimes !

It is Time for The United Nations to Charge The U.S. with War Crimes,
Also NATO and OAS (Organisation of American States)

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:28:37 -0800 (PST)
From: alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com>
Subject: Iran's switch to euros?

Hmm, an alternate view on the impending Iran dollar/euro crisis:

articles@vdare.com wrote: Hey Alan, This is an interesting note on Iran selling oil for euros. This guy has a good credentials education-wise.

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A Note On The Iranian Oil Bourse By Paul Craig Roberts
Readers keep asking if Bush is attacking Iran because it plans to open an oil bourse that would permit oil to trade in Euros. A number of readers mistakenly believe that this would wreck the dollar's value.
The answer is no.
The neocons' plans for the Middle East predate any notion of an Iranian oil bourse.
Will an Iranian oil bourse hurt the dollar? Not really.
The dollar's value depends on the world's willingness to hold dollar denominated assets, not on the currency used to pay oil bills. If payments were not made in dollars, there could be a slight negative impact on the dollar from countries reducing their dollar cash balances and from the psychological shock of pricing oil in Euros (or some other currency). However, what really counts is what do the oil producers, for example, do with the currency that they are paid. If they are paid in dollars, but exchange the dollars for Euros or Yen and purchase equities or bonds or real estate in Europe and Japan, it doesn't help that oil is billed in dollars. Or if they are paid in Euros but exchange the Euros for dollars and purchase US assets, it doesn't hurt that the oil is billed in Euros.
The negative impact on the dollar will be far greater from the additional red ink necessary to finance an attack on Iran than from an oil bourse. Today, US war making capability is dependent on the rest of the world to finance it.
Oil is billed in dollars because the dollar is the world reserve currency. The dollar is not the reserve currency because oil is billed in dollars. The US is abusing the dollar's role as reserve currency. When a trusted alternative appears, the dollar is likely to lose its reserve currency role. Iran, however, cannot cause that transition.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:35:09 +0200
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
Subject: Re: Bloggers in Amsterdam

Dear Cathy,

Thank you for your reply to my request yesterday for advice on what to do
at the blogger event in Amsterdam today, from which I have just returned.
I wouldn't say this marked my emergence as a European 9/11 truth activist
or anything like that, since it was essentially just something that came
up rather than something I went looking for or made happen. I was into
handing out more Jimmy Walter DVDs, but they never sent me a second batch.
The clerk at the bookstore today (see below) had a stack of the second
edition by the cash register and gave me one, but said Jimmy wasn't making
them anymore. I don't know whether that's true or not, but I tend to suppose
he had some reason for saying that.

> Thanks so much, Roy, on behalf of us here (some of us stuck, LOL)
> in the States.

I'm not unhappy to be elsewhere, but don't be too jealous. Things are
largely the same all over in a lot of respects. Our energy bills have just
shot way up again, for example.

> I was shocked to find out from someone I know who recently came back from
> abroad that other nations actually refer to the US as "The Empire"!

You mean it isn't The Empire? Seriously, though what you say about Europeans
being more receptive to 9/11 truth may be to a certain degree true, in my
experience ordinary people are essentially as misinformed and unaware here
as they are in the States. By ordinary people I mean mostly people like my
neighbors, who... well, actually I can't say they think Osama bin Laden did
9/11. I'm sure a very large number of them do, but I remember at least one
Muslim who was sure it was the US in a war against Islam, and a Pakistani
kid who was sure it was his countrymen. I have no idea what the percentages
are.

> Although I do not know any of these bloggers personally, I would like
> to suggest an approach you might like to consider. As I see it, the
> formation of the group, Scholars for 9/11 Truth (of which I am proud to
> be an Associate Member) has, almost overnight, lent a tremendous amount
> of credibility resulting in a widespread, growing media exposure to the
> entire 9/11 Truth movement.
>
> In addressing bloggers throughout the world, I might suggest that you
> share the following press release: EXPERTS CLAIM OFFICIAL 9/11 STORY
> IS A HOAX - Scholars for 9/11 Truth call for verification and publication
> by an international consortium.
> http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/PressRelease30Jan2006.html

Unfortunately I didn't get this before I left today, but as it happened
what I did do, aside from participating in what turned out to be an
interesting discussion, was to recommend two sites to the visiting bloggers:
first the Taking Aim site, http://takingaim.info ; and second the Scholars
for 911 Truth site, via the address http://www.st911.org, which contains
the press release you recommend. As further coincidence, when the meeting
was over I visited a nearby Amsterdam bookstore and bought a copy of
"The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions," mentioned in
the press release. What I could do as a followup on this, I suppose, would
be to ask them if they'd visited the site and if so what they thought of it.
If so I'll particularly mention the press release then.

Thanks again,

Roy McCoy

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:26:24 -0000
From: "reggie501" <reggie501@optonline.net>
Subject: 9/11 Update - 2/18

9/11 News : http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#911

· Take Action: Demand Coverage of Able Danger - "What could be
the biggest scandal of our lifetime." -- Lou Dobbs, CNN
· Spitzer blocks top aide from 9/11 Congressional testimony -
New York Republican State Chairman Stephen Minarik today
demanded Eliot Spitzer explain why he would brazenly prevent
one of his closest advisers from providing testimony to a
Congressional panel investigating the terrorist attacks of 9/11.

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:32:06 -0000
From: "copernicus122223" <copernicus122223@yahoo.com>
Subject: Freemason are spamming my petition

Freemason are spamming my petition

This is a form to see how many people are against an action done by
others and the freemason choose to make it a platform for freedom of
speech.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?73456535&1

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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:59:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Iran's switch to euros?

that's the thing that's got me confused, then why the mad rush into Iran?

alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com> wrote: Hmm, an alternate view on the impending Iran dollar/euro crisis:

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Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:59:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Iran's switch to euros?

that's the thing that's got me confused, then why the mad rush into Iran?

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:03:29 -0500
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: Analysis of executive order 13292 A careful reading of Vice President

Analysis of executive order 13292 A careful reading of Vice President

Cheney's statement regarding his power to DE-classify documents
reveals that he was NOT asserting any such power;

(Pass It On )

He asserted the power to classify documents and added that he had
participated in de-classification decisions.
Here is Cheney's quote from his Fox News interview on Wednesday:

<"I have certainly advocated
declassification.

I have PARTICIPATED in declassification decisions," Cheney
said. Asked for details, he said, "I don't want to get into
that.

There's an executive order that specifies who has
CLASSIFICATION authority, and obviously it focuses first and
foremost on the president, but also includes the vice
president.">

I don't think Dick Cheney actually asserted that he has power to
DE-classify classified material. Rather, he says that he has
"participated" in "decisions" to de-classify material.

That is vastly different from having the unilateral power to
de-classify anything. It's the one who gets to sign the paper that
wields the power, not the people who "participate" in the discussion
leading up to the signing. Cheney said he was given authority to
classify documents; he did not say he was given authority to DE-classify
documents.

Cheney may WANT everyone to think he has a power to de-classify,
but I doubt we will ever see his signature on a document de-classifying
a document that HE did not originally classify.
Furthermore,

it is unthinkable that a vice president -- who stands to inherit
the presidency in the event a president is thrown out of office -- would
be given any power to do anything that could conceivably undermine the
president, such as de-classifying documents that could lead the
president's impeachment and removal from office.
After all, not all vice presidents are loyal to the president they serve
under. Some are just hoping the president will be pushed out so they can
ascend to that lofty office.
Below is an analysis of the provisions in Bush's Executive Order
13292 regarding the vice president:
I see NOTHING in it that gives the vice president power to
DE-classify anything. Maybe he can de-classify something he, himself,
originally classified, but that would be about it as far as I can see.
If you see anything that gives the vice president authority to
DE-classify something a different government entity has classified --

such as the National Intelligence Estimate or Valerie Plame's
identity as a covert CIA operative -- please let me know. I don't think
you will, but I remain willing to be informed.
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*analysis of executive order 13292*
Changes in Classification Policy Imposed By the Bush Administration
Executive Order
by Public Citizen - www.citizen.org
Feb. 16, 2006
<snip>
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8. Vice President
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The new order amends the definition of "original classification
authority" to include "the Vice President in the performance of
executive duties." Although the Vice President was not listed as an
original classification authority in the previous Executive Order, a
separate Presidential directive gave the Vice President Top Secret
original classification authority, including the power to delegate that
authority to others. See 60 Fed. Reg. 53845-46 (Oct. 17, 1995)
(Presidential Order designating the Vice President and other senior
officials as "original classification authorities")
The new order adds information originated by the Vice President and
his staff to the categories of information that are exempt from
mandatory declassification review. Under the 1995 Order, the categories
of exempt information included those originated by the incumbent
President, White House Staff, commissions appointed by the incumbent
President and "other entities within the Executive Office of the
President that solely advise and assist the incumbent President." These
categories continue to be exempt under Executive Order 13,292. Executive
Order 13,292, Section 3.5(b)
The Vice President and certain Vice Presidential appointees have
also been added to the list of individuals that may be given access to
classified information after they leave office without demonstrating a
need to know. Executive Order 13,292, Section 4.4(a).>>
Read this and the rest of the analysis at:
http://www.bushsecrecy.org/page.cfm?PagesID=31&ParentID=4&CategoryID=4
LINKS:
See: 60 Fed. Reg. 53845-46 (Oct. 17, 1995) (Presidential Order
designating the Vice President and other senior officials as "original
classification authorities") at: http://www.fas.org/sgp/clinton/oca.html
Executive Order 13292, Section 3.5(b), at:
http://www.bushsecrecy.org/page.cfm?PagesID=33&ParentID=0&CategoryID=4#SECT3_5
  Executive Order 13292, Section 4.4(a), at:
http://www.bushsecrecy.org/page.cfm?PagesID=33&ParentID=0&CategoryID=4#SECT4_4
Here's the link to President Clinton's "EXECUTIVE ORDER 12958":
http://www.fas.org/sgp/clinton/eo12958.html
Here's the link to President Bush's "EXECUTIVE ORDER 13292":
http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/eoamend.html
- - - - - - - - - - -
Yes, I know I am repeating myself, but so what <grin>? If I am correct
about this, I think it is worth repeating. If I am wrong (which I don't
think I am), we will find out soon enough.
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:51:44 -0000
From: "Lowell Byrd" <cbyrdman@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kevin Hammond...you did well

Kevin, don't worry too much on "spelling". Most people get what you
mean. But, just in case you are interested, the word is spelled....
disseminate.
I'm really not all that bright...I keep a dictionary by my
computer 'cause I ain't too good of a speller myself.
Later,
Lowell

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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:09:59 -0000
From: "Lowell Byrd" <cbyrdman@yahoo.com>
Subject: How many sent money to Douglas Clark?

All Douglas needs is one hundred dollars for a bus ticket. I think
every member of this group should send Douglas at least $10 except me.
Naveed should send a full hundred dollars plus go to where Douglas is
and drive Douglas to the gathering as well as pay all expenses Douglas
will encounter.
BTW....I live almost a 1000 miles from DC, so I think all of you
should send me $15 each because of the distance in travel. I know of
some homeless shelters in DC so I won't need extra money to substain
life.
Thanks for reading folks.
Lowell
(Hopefully most of you realize my comments to Douglas was an alert to
those of you with a soft heart and would send money with good
intentions. Of course...it is your money)

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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:18:50 -0800
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
Subject: RE: Kevin Hammond...you did well

For the Spellink Knazi’s

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary.htm

http://dictionary.reference.com/

http://www.onelook.com/

I have mainly been keeping track in the changes to the definitions of
Liberal, Conservative, Liberal, patriot, nationalist, Fascist, Neo
Conservative and trust me, those definitions have been changing a lot since
9/11.

Still doesn’t make Neo Cons Conservative, much less the Liberal party, of
course, they all are going to pot.

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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:01:54 EST
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
Subject: ***SOS***Can anyone make me a link for the last press release? ASAP

Press Release "War Crimes" and "Media Cover-Up of 9/11" Forward Widely

Presidents' Day "March for 9/11 Truth," NYC Ground Zero, 10 a.m. Monday,
2/20/06

Activists Plan 60's Style Protest against "War Crimes" and "Media Cover-Up of
9/11" in downtown Manhattan

New York City, NY (PRWEB) February 18, 2006 -- Vermonter Greg Nixon is a man
on a mission to save America - from itself. He is one of a new breed of
issue-oriented activists who were often not even involved in politics before 9/11.
What mobilizes him is a prospect of indescribable horror: he sees plain proof
that the WTC was destroyed on 9/11 in an undercover operation within America's
own military intelligence establishment.

From all angles, it's a topsy-turvy world view, that can bowl one over with
vertigo at first. A mirror world with such contrarian coordinates as:
- the terrorists are Americans, not Arabs;
- ex-mayor Giuliani and George Bush are suspects, not heroes of 9/11;
- much as the Bush administration capitalized on 9/11 to advance its agenda,
the 9/11 Truthers seize on it as the Achilles heel of the "new militarism,"
with evidence of a controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and 7 as the smoking gun or
fatal flaw in the official version;
- "left-leaning" media like The Nation, Pacifica's Democracy Now, and The New
York Times, along with groups like ANSWER and the Democratic Party, are not
seen as a real opposition; because they don't accept "9/11 Truth," they are
just playing a part in the plans for World War IV on the oil fields of the Middle
East.

Indeed, Greg Nixon would like the President's Day March to take aim
especially at the "establishment left gatekeepers."

The plan for Monday's march is fairly ad hoc. After assembling at WTC Ground
Zero, the protesters may march to Attorney General Elliot Spitzer's office
with a letter demanding his resignation for failing to investigate 9/11. Last
year, 9/11 activists in New York filed an extensive complaint with Spitzer, and
hopes were high for a time that he might take up the case. Offices of the
above-mentioned "left-wing gatekeepers" could be next.

Speakers expected are Greg Nixon and others, including:
Craig Hill, the Vermont Green Party senatorial candidate, who includes
photographic evidence of the WTC demolition in his campaign platform. His website is
www.hillsenatenow.org .
Sander Hicks, author of the 9/11 expos? The Big Wedding, and owner of the Vox
Pop Democracy Caf? in Brooklyn, www.voxpopnet.net.

9/11 activist, historian and radio personality Webster Tarpley will speak at
a Greg Nixon event on April 27th at the University of Vermont. Tarpley is
devoting his energies to opposing the latest war drive on Iran. He says the plan
is to attack Iran already by the end of March, which leaves much less time for
mobilizing springtime demonstrations such as we saw before the attack on Iraq.
(see http://www.waronfreedom.org/activists/stop-amerigeddon.html) He is the
author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA.

During the run-up to the Iraq war, 9/11 activists tried but failed to
convince the peace movement that exposing 9/11 was the only way to stop the
juggernaut of war. They felt that rank-and-file pacifists were receptive, but the
leadership marched to a different, establishment tune.

More details on the Presidents' Day march at
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/332307.shtml .

See also the feature article on the march at
http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php "2/20 March for 9/11 Truth NYC: The Tipping Point?
The world is at the most serious crossroads in modern history. The fraudulent
'War on Terror' threatens the very future of humanity."

For an interview with Greg Nixon, see
http://www.phillyimc.org/en/2006/02/19016.shtml . Quote:
"Bring your digital camera, too. Because something tells me that history is
going to be made in New York City this upcoming Monday, in honor of President?s
Day. That?s the day those actually informed about 9/11 will gather together
in NYC to honor the birthday of the first GW. You know, the GW who was unable
to tell a lie."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Today>>>Friday>>>wingtv.net...All media and people everywhere must see this
interview with Greg Nixon

If you can't get the show to play...Left click where it says to right click
and watch later

Alternate link>>>http://thewebfairy.com/hardtruth/gregnixon02-20.mp3

Marsha McClelland
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
XXX XXX-XXXX

"We The People United Movement"
We are many Political and Patriot Groups joining together, to help right the
wrongs in America..."United We Will Stand"

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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:49:32 -0000
From: "Marsha" <Mofmars3@wmconnect.com>
Subject: Emailed this around 4 pm Eastern time and it hasn't posted yet...Posting @ group

Subj: ***SOS***Can anyone make me a link for the last press
release? ASAP
Date: 2/18/2006 4:01:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Mofmars3
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com,
wethepeople_united@yahoogroups.com

Press Release "War Crimes" and "Media Cover-Up of 9/11" Forward Widely

Presidents' Day "March for 9/11 Truth," NYC Ground Zero, 10 a.m.
Monday, 2/20/06

Activists Plan 60's Style Protest against "War Crimes" and "Media
Cover-Up of 9/11" in downtown Manhattan

New York City, NY (PRWEB) February 18, 2006 -- Vermonter Greg Nixon
is a man on a mission to save America - from itself. He is one of a
new breed of issue-oriented activists who were often not even
involved in politics before 9/11. What mobilizes him is a prospect of
indescribable horror: he sees plain proof that the WTC was destroyed
on 9/11 in an undercover operation within America's own military
intelligence establishment.

From all angles, it's a topsy-turvy world view, that can bowl one
over with vertigo at first. A mirror world with such contrarian
coordinates as:
- the terrorists are Americans, not Arabs;
- ex-mayor Giuliani and George Bush are suspects, not heroes of 9/11;
- much as the Bush administration capitalized on 9/11 to advance its
agenda, the 9/11 Truthers seize on it as the Achilles heel of
the "new militarism," with evidence of a controlled demolition of WTC
1, 2 and 7 as the smoking gun or fatal flaw in the official version;
- "left-leaning" media like The Nation, Pacifica's Democracy Now, and
The New York Times, along with groups like ANSWER and the Democratic
Party, are not seen as a real opposition; because they don't
accept "9/11 Truth," they are just playing a part in the plans for
World War IV on the oil fields of the Middle East.

Indeed, Greg Nixon would like the President's Day March to take aim
especially at the "establishment left gatekeepers."

The plan for Monday's march is fairly ad hoc. After assembling at WTC
Ground Zero, the protesters may march to Attorney General Elliot
Spitzer's office with a letter demanding his resignation for failing
to investigate 9/11. Last year, 9/11 activists in New York filed an
extensive complaint with Spitzer, and hopes were high for a time that
he might take up the case. Offices of the above-mentioned "left-wing
gatekeepers" could be next.

Speakers expected are Greg Nixon and others, including:
Craig Hill, the Vermont Green Party senatorial candidate, who
includes photographic evidence of the WTC demolition in his campaign
platform. His website is www.hillsenatenow.org .
Sander Hicks, author of the 9/11 expos? The Big Wedding, and owner of
the Vox Pop Democracy Caf? in Brooklyn, www.voxpopnet.net.

9/11 activist, historian and radio personality Webster Tarpley will
speak at a Greg Nixon event on April 27th at the University of
Vermont. Tarpley is devoting his energies to opposing the latest war
drive on Iran. He says the plan is to attack Iran already by the end
of March, which leaves much less time for mobilizing springtime
demonstrations such as we saw before the attack on Iraq. (see
http://www.waronfreedom.org/activists/stop-amerigeddon.html) He is
the author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA.

During the run-up to the Iraq war, 9/11 activists tried but failed to
convince the peace movement that exposing 9/11 was the only way to
stop the juggernaut of war. They felt that rank-and-file pacifists
were receptive, but the leadership marched to a different,
establishment tune.

More details on the Presidents' Day march at
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/332307.shtml .

See also the feature article on the march at
http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php "2/20 March
for 9/11 Truth NYC: The Tipping Point? The world is at the most
serious crossroads in modern history. The fraudulent 'War on Terror'
threatens the very future of humanity."

For an interview with Greg Nixon, see
http://www.phillyimc.org/en/2006/02/19016.shtml . Quote:
"Bring your digital camera, too. Because something tells me that
history is going to be made in New York City this upcoming Monday, in
honor of President?s Day. That?s the day those actually informed
about 9/11 will gather together in NYC to honor the birthday of the
first GW. You know, the GW who was unable to tell a lie."
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Today>>>Friday>>>wingtv.net...All media and people everywhere must
see this interview with Greg Nixon

If you can't get the show to play...Left click where it says to right
click and watch later

Alternate link>>>http://thewebfairy.com/hardtruth/gregnixon02-20.mp3

Marsha McClelland
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
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"We The People United Movement"
We are many Political and Patriot Groups joining together, to help
right the wrongs in America..."United We Will Stand"

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