Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 386

Sunday, February 19, 2006

[911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 386

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. New PopMech 9/11 article
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
2. New PopMech 9/11 article
From: nicohaupt@gmx.li
3. Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
4. Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
5. Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
6. Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
7. Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
8. Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
9. Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]
From: "truthinmichigan" <kgkitchen@hotmail.com>
10. FW: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
11. RE: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
12. Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
13. Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
14. Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
15. Re: Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
16. Hannity has discussion thread on Loose Change
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
17. Newsweek "reveals" new 9/11-Anthrax/Cipro spin
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
18. Revised with new link for Wing TV if you can't get the original to load
From: "Marsha" <Mofmars3@wmconnect.com>
19. Don't miss this free video for the "Truth about 9/11" Forward Everywhere
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
20. Re: Newsweek "reveals" new 9/11-Anthrax/Cipro spin
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
21. Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
22. Re: Newsweek "reveals" new 9/11-Anthrax/Cipro spin
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
23. Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
24. Re: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
25. USS Cole (prob old news to most of you)
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:28:33 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: New PopMech 9/11 article

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1230517.html
March, 2005 issue
The Lies Are Out There
BY JIM MEIGS

"...It has been 3-1/2 years since the September 11 attacks. In that time,
the American people have questioned why we were caught off guard and have
demanded to know the whole story behind the events of that terrible day...

...Sadly, the noble search for truth is now being hijacked by a growing army
of conspiracy theorists. A few of these skeptics make a responsible effort
to sift through the mountain of information, but most ignore all but a few
stray details they think support their theories. In fact, many conspiracy
advocates demonstrate a maddening double standard. They distrust every bit
of the mainstream account of 9/11, yet happily embrace the flimsiest
evidence to promote their wildest notions: that Osama bin Laden attacked the
United States with help from the CIA; that the hijacked planes weren't
commercial jets, but military aircraft, cruise missiles or remote-control
drones; that the World Trade Center buildings were professionally
demolished.

These 9/11 conspiracy theories, long popular abroad, are gradually--though
more quietly--seeping into mainstream America. Allegations of U.S.
complicity in the attacks have become standard fare on talk radio and among
activists on both the extreme left and the extreme right of the political
spectrum...

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:36:40 +0100 (MET)
From: nicohaupt@gmx.li
Subject: New PopMech 9/11 article

...oops, i just realised that this is the 1 year old editorial.
It was oddly in today's google news again. Never mind -:)

>>>>
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1230517.html
March, 2005 issue
The Lies Are Out There
BY JIM MEIGS

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:54:05 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)

Is there a link with this or pictures? All I see is text.

But otherwise I agree in general with your comments.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "FONEBONE" <fonebone@...> wrote:
>
> WHERE ARE the 160 foot wide wings ?
>
> They created this scar <below> in the NORTH TOWER NORTH FACE AT IMPACT
> NO?
> <left> Underside of a Boeing 767 <right> magnification of the
> "PLANE"
> and shadow from the still extracted from the Naudet video with a color
> filter applied
> to ferret out hidden details
>
>
>
>
> Scar of Jumbo-jet in WTC 1 north wall created by the 160 foot wings ---
> again color filtered for clue extraction -
>
> This scar had to be created by preplaced and prepositioned explosive
charges
> to created this Hollywood
> Special Effect scar because there DAMN SURE AIN'T NO 160 FOOT WIDE WINGS
>
>
>
> The width of the tower wall is 220 feet and the tip to tip wing span
of a
> Boeing 767 is 160 feet
> This ratio of 160 / 220 is reduced to 16 / 22 and finally to 8 / 11
> The ratio of wingspan to building width with the angle of bank at
impact as
> indicated by the scar
> is superimposed in RED over the cigar shaped scar to indicate
exactly where
> these huge
> FAT WINGS SHOULD BE -
> The YELLOW ball indicates SUN position with the yellow line revealing
> SUN-RAY Path
> to help thinkers gauge exactly where the WING SHADOWS should be
>
>
>
> WHERE ARE THE 160 FOOT WINGS ?
> point them out --
> CUT the CRAP THIS is a MISSILE - FONEBONE
>
>
>
> [FONEBONE]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:47 AM
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of
the first
> hit ("impact" only)
>
>
>
>
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> .html
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:24:42 -0000
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article

Dr. Rice Does D.C.?

Rumsfeld's Reaming Rapture?

USAma Finds The G.Z.-Spot?

Bluescreen Velvet?

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Roy McCoy <roy@...> wrote:
>
> Total Information wrote:
>
> > On your desktop, you can take foreign uncopyrighted porn,
> > dub it with 9/11 dialogue, and intercut it with video research.
> >
> > I can't think of a title yet, though...
>
> "Inside Job"?
>
> "Deep 9/11"?
>
> "Cheney Throat"?
>
> "The Devil in Mr. Rumsfeld"?
>
>
> Roy McCoy
>

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:38:49 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

>>>Devin Clark - BIO
>
> Devin only wants to draw pictures and make things move. His skill
set lies in illustration, graphics >design, and animation.<<<<

Sounds like a perp to me! Especially since his camera angle was the
same as a CNN shot, I wonder if he did the CNN animation...

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
>
> The "plane" hippityhops.
> This is proof it is animation. The duplicates stop as soon as it
> vanishes behind the building for a shade too long.
> That's not the only thing wrong with it!
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
>
> Here's about the credited "author."
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Body Atomic Footage - Devin Clark
> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:21:13 +0000
> From: marcus icke <pa28112@...>
>
>
>
> http://www.terrorize.dk/911/misc2/
>
> Devin Clark - BIO
>
>
> >Devin only wants to draw pictures and make things move. His skill
set lies
> >in illustration, graphics >design, and animation.
>
>
> Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
>
>
> >After graduating from Syracuse University's School of Visual Arts
with a
> >concentration in >Experimental Video he made the inevitable
migration to
> >New York City to join the race.
>
>
>
> Er.....whoops
>
> Devin cut his chops editing and creating motion graphics for music
videos
> and web-channels at Wavexpress, a on-line video service.
>
>
> Shite!
>
> He also has continued to create experimental video like "Bendable",
which
> toured the U.S. with the One Minute Video Festival.
>
>
> Hmmmmm....
>
>
> His most recent "COCK", a humorous look at a day in the life of the
male
> organ, played at Rooftop Film's 2004 summer show.
>
>
>
>
>
> perpetualynquisitive wrote:
> > Just noticed another interesting anomaly in that 'new' footage. At the
> > 1:08 mark, after the camera zooms back out, if you look at WTC7
you can
> > see the 'outline' of a person reflected in the window, it is very
faint,
> > but you can still make out that this person seems to be holding a cell
> > phone up to the side of their face (1:08-1:16).
> >
> > Wasn't it in 'Rising Sun' that there was a part where they used
> > computers to 'erase' a reflection of the murderer from the windows in
> > the hallway?
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> That's interesting. In most of the videos, including the first hit,
> >>
> > when
> >
> >> there is background reacting the phrase is holey shit..
> >> I don't remember any other holey cow.
> >>
> >>
> >> alexldent wrote:
> >>
> >>> I see. Makes sense!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" robertjcash@ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> "Holy Cow!" was a term used by the LONGtime NY Yankees announcer
> >>>>
> > Phil
> >
> >>>> Rizzuto, when he saw an exceptional play. If you grew up here in
> >>>>
> > NYC
> >
> >>>> watching the Yankee games called by Phil on WPIX TV, that phrase is
> >>>> engrained in yer brain!
> >>>>
> >>>> So...it's an expression that most likely a NY'er would use.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent" <alexldent@>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yep. That smoke is rather interesting...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I see the flashes too. Bizarre.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive" <
> >>>>> perpetualynquisitive@> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Did anyone else see the column of smoke to the left of the
> >>>>>>
> > Woolworth
> >
> >>>>>> building? (37 seconds)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or the flashes from near that same area (slightly to the left and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> lower
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> than the smoke) at 1:31, 1:34, 1:37, 1:42, 1:44, during the
> >>>>>>
> > North
> >
> >>>> Tower
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> collapse?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> webfairy@>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Speech accents. Somebody's channelling Bela Lugosi I think.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> alexldent wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Not sure what you mean by "accents".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Video accents? Or speech accents from the people in the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> background?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> webfairy@
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But it's an EXCELLENT fake...absolutely state of the art..
> >>>>>>>>> The oookiest part is the accents.
> >>>>>>>>> Rick Siegel hasn't gotten back to me about whatever
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> connection with
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> his
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> production company, which is not "his" but was hired.
> >>>>>>>>> Seigel, in exile growing his own food in Europe, didn't even
> >>>>>>>>>
> > have
> >
> >>>>>> an
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> internet connection at the time.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I haven't yet recovered the archive from June 2005 alerting me
> >>>>>>>>>
> > to
> >
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> this file.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It was a message from Marcus Icke, who somehow always knows
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> where
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> good
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> footage is.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:44:27 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article

>
> Dr. Rice Does D.C.?
>

well, she does have those dominatrix boots....

although I've heard she goes more for the ladies...

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:21:08 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation

>>>http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
> >
> > The "plane" hippityhops.
> > This is proof it is animation. The duplicates stop as soon as it
> > vanishes behind the building for a shade too long.
> > That's not the only thing wrong with it!
> > http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/<<<

Is there anyway you can put something together on a page showing how
there are duplicates with the plane and then they stop when the plane
goes behind the building?

That seems to be solid proof of video manipulation, and it would be
great if we had a page that lays out this proof.

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:01:17 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

OK, does anyone doubt now that the "famous" south west approach [coming in from right to left] is not the approach that the blue plane is on?

Tim, the witness who said he saw "11" slow up and seem to line up on the target confirms what happened with "175". If "175" dropped in a short air space then that too would constitute a line up to the target.

Is the blue plane going to become the one that we all accept as a real one until proven to be something else?
----- Original Message -----
From: Nico Haupt
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Cc: perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

> --- Urspr�ngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax
> pictures from CNN
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:41:39 -0000
>

i still believe, the most contradicting "flying"- and "speed" anamoly
compared with all over clips (including this at
http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/, i call it 'remake')
is at http://thewebfairy.com/911/2hit/blueplane.htm

It's still very fascinating, seeing this object in a totally different
behavior, also shaking a lot and turning its belly, which is awesome for a
767 :)

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:02:08 -0000
From: "truthinmichigan" <kgkitchen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]

Here is footage with evidence of a thermite-like incendiary. Has
everyone seen this already?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid==-2991254740145858863&q=�meraplanet+9%2F11

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> The dirty yellow smoke is absolutely unmistakably identical to WTC
> explosions.
> This footage also has the best fireball sequence I've ever seen.
> We don't get to see the top of the fireball, but I betcha it's bright
> yellow, like the top of the first hit explosion:
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/halloween/halloween.htm
>
> Ed Barner is the archivist behind the Binaries directory.
> This collection is his work, not mine.
> I just get a little reflected glory, and the chance to know about great
> finds like this video!
>
> Ed Barner wrote:
> > Kick ass thermite video.
> > http://thewebfairy.com/911/binaries/thermite.wmv
>

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:41:29 -0500
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
Subject: FW: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)

-----Original Message-----
From: FONEBONE [mailto:FONEBONE@GOES.COM]
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:56 PM
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the
first hit ("impact" only)

WHERE ARE the 160 foot wide wings ?

They created this scar <below> in the NORTH TOWER NORTH FACE AT IMPACT
NO?
<left> Underside of a Boeing 767 <right> magnification of the
"PLANE"
and shadow from the still extracted from the Naudet video with a color
filter applied
to ferret out hidden details

Scar of Jumbo-jet in WTC 1 north wall created by the 160 foot wings ---
again color filtered for clue extraction -

This scar had to be created by preplaced and prepositioned explosive charges
to created this Hollywood
Special Effect scar because there DAMN SURE AIN'T NO 160 FOOT WIDE WINGS

The width of the tower wall is 220 feet and the tip to tip wing span of a
Boeing 767 is 160 feet
This ratio of 160 / 220 is reduced to 16 / 22 and finally to 8 / 11
The ratio of wingspan to building width with the angle of bank at impact as
indicated by the scar
is superimposed in RED over the cigar shaped scar to indicate exactly where
these huge
FAT WINGS SHOULD BE -
The YELLOW ball indicates SUN position with the yellow line revealing
SUN-RAY Path
to help thinkers gauge exactly where the WING SHADOWS should be

WHERE ARE THE 160 FOOT WINGS ?
point them out --
CUT the CRAP THIS is a MISSILE - FONEBONE

[FONEBONE]
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From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:47 AM
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first
hit ("impact" only)

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/frame-by-frame-analysis-extreme
.html

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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:44:57 -0500
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
Subject: RE: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)

Mornin Alex I have sent the original post again
Yahoo does't archive the graphics I guess
If the graphics don't come thru again ,include your direct email and I'll
send it to you directly

--Fonebone
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[mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:54 AM
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the
first hit ("impact" only)

Is there a link with this or pictures? All I see is text.

But otherwise I agree in general with your comments.

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/frame-by-frame-analysis-extreme
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:03:09 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

I was going to do an article/analysis of the facts surrounding an eye witness to the approach of 175 but this is an ideal time so here it is, in brief.

Stanley Praimnath [assistant vice president] of Fugi Bank who had floors 78-83 in the south tower. 175 cut across, off centre, floors 77-84. 175 plunged through into the room where he had to dive beneath his desk. [on the 81st floor] The plane had SLIGHTLY banked at the last second. The Fugi offices were at the centre of the crash area. The wing of the jet was jammed into a door, twenty feet from where Praimnath was beneath his desk.

His office window looked south over New York Harbour and the Statue of Liberty. Whilst seated he spotted an unfamiliar shape on the horizon. He could see the red and blue marking and the letter "U" as it approached. He dived under his desk.

Here is a picture of N612UA:-

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=44867&WxsIERv==Obrvat%20767-222&Wm==0&WdsYXMg==Havgrq%20Nveyvarf&QtODMg==Ybf%20Natryrf%20-%20Vagreangvbany%20%28YNK%20%2F%20XYNK%29&ERDLTkt==HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp==Wnahnel%2028%2C%201997&BP==1&WNEb25u==Xwryy%20avyffba&xsIERvdWdsY=�12HN&MgTUQtODMgKE==Guvf%20nvepensg%20penfurq%20vagb%20Jbeyq%20Genqr%20Pragre%2C%20ohvyqvat%20Gjb%20va%20ALP%2C%20ba%20Frcg%2011%2C%202001...%209%3A03%20ybpny%20gvzr%20nf%20syvtug%20HN175&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=D79&NEb25uZWxs= 05-05-24%2017%3A19%3A37&ODJ9dvCE==&O89Dcjdg=!873%2F41&static==yes&width=24&height=f5&sok==&photo_nr=&prev_id=65747&next_id=38568&size==L

The red & blue marking to which Stanley Praimnath refers is obviously the logo on the planes' tailfin [in fact it is two "U"'s overlayed

Praimnath is said to be on the phone to a colleague in Chicago who had rang to inquire after his well-being and she was watching the tv and listening to him at the same time. These facts attributed to Praimnath are not in quotes.

I'm sure our resident expert with Flight Simulator, Marcus could simulate the angle at which 175 was flying towards the south wall of the south tower for Praimnath to have seen a side view of the tailfin but I'm sure you will all see how very unlikely this is. To see the "U" the tailfin would have had to be flying across Praimnaths' line of sight. Had it been flying across his line of sight it would have passed the south tower and thus he would have looked foolish had he then dived under his desk.

Now, had Praimnath "seen" the UA livery, as a whole, which would have been more likely [although still doubtful if it was flying towards him and the tower] that would have been oviously sufficient. The question is how did he see the "U" instead of the vast amount of livery?

What puts this beyond any question of fakery is the fact that had he seen the side of the tail he would have seen the side of the fuselage with the airline name along it. Of course had the side of the fuselage been seen that would have been too obvious the plane was flying past the tower and not towards it.

[source of Praimnaths' alleged observations - the book "102 Minutes".

----- Original Message -----
From: Rosalee Grable
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com ; Marcus Icke
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

But it's an EXCELLENT fake...absolutely state of the art..
The oookiest part is the accents.
Rick Siegel hasn't gotten back to me about whatever connection with his
production company, which is not "his" but was hired.
Seigel, in exile growing his own food in Europe, didn't even have an
internet connection at the time.

I haven't yet recovered the archive from June 2005 alerting me to this file.
It was a message from Marcus Icke, who somehow always knows where good
footage is.

http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi

alexldent wrote:
> Bizarre. The path of the plane is clearly at a much different angle
> than any other second hit footage I've seen. Clearly fake.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> wrote:
>
>> This is the best second hit cartoon I've ever seen.
>> I first saw it as as an alleged "preview clip" from 911eyewitness,
>> downloaded from Blue Star Productions in June 2005.
>> Perhaps Jullie Blattenbauer can give more details of the source as she
>> knows it.
>>
>> This second hit IS NOT part of the 911eyewitness footage on the DVD,
>>
> and
>
>> Rick Siegel says he didn't see any planes and didn't know anybody
>>
> who did.
>
>> Larger version:
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
>>
>>
>> Scott Loughrey wrote:
>>
>>> this is a much smoother version of the flight 175
>>> animation. This time the movement seems less
>>> skittish. Still, it continues to displays the same
>>> perspective problem that Webfairy has noticed.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Julie Blattenbauer <> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:00:42 -0800
>>>> From: "Julie Blattenbauer" <>
>>>> To: ScottL44@...
>>>> Subject: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bodyatomic.com/video.html

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:22:04 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

Did you see the translucent "mushroom" shape emerge just before the north tower centre core collapsed?
----- Original Message -----
From: alexldent
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

Yep. That smoke is rather interesting...

I see the flashes too. Bizarre.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive" <
perpetualynquisitive@...> wrote:
>
> Did anyone else see the column of smoke to the left of the Woolworth
> building? (37 seconds)
>
> Or the flashes from near that same area (slightly to the left and lower
> than the smoke) at 1:31, 1:34, 1:37, 1:42, 1:44, during the North Tower
> collapse?
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Speech accents. Somebody's channelling Bela Lugosi I think.
> >
> >
> > alexldent wrote:
> > > Not sure what you mean by "accents".
> > >
> > > Video accents? Or speech accents from the people in the background?
> > >
> > > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable webfairy@
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> But it's an EXCELLENT fake...absolutely state of the art..
> > >> The oookiest part is the accents.
> > >> Rick Siegel hasn't gotten back to me about whatever connection with
> his
> > >> production company, which is not "his" but was hired.
> > >> Seigel, in exile growing his own food in Europe, didn't even have
> an
> > >> internet connection at the time.
> > >>
> > >> I haven't yet recovered the archive from June 2005 alerting me to
> > >>
> > > this file.
> > >
> > >> It was a message from Marcus Icke, who somehow always knows
where
> good
> > >> footage is.
> > >>
> > >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:41:59 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

Something clearly cut through the outer shell of the east wall of the south tower. Possibly the whole width too. That required somthing going straight along on the inside or a vacant floor and a laser.

The outer shell wall was cut clean through. Think about that.
----- Original Message -----
From: alexldent
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:04 PM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

Really--- at that angle of approach, the plane should have bashed through the
east wall, instead of the north wall, of WTC2.

I wonder if they just cooked up this video footage to go with that particular
northern shot of the WTC2 fireball, with a very dramatic view of the "plane"
approaching?

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive" <
perpetualynquisitive@...> wrote:
>
> Actually there is something else, this angle looks way TOOOO familiar,
> it's the exact same camera angle as the zoom-in of the actual-crash.avi
> with the 3 frame light flash across the screen anomaly.
>
> Also note that nobody reacts to the 'plane'. It is only after the
> explosion starts that anybody says anything.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
> <perpetualynquisitive@> wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone else see the column of smoke to the left of the Woolworth
> > building? (37 seconds)
> >
> > Or the flashes from near that same area (slightly to the left and
> lower
> > than the smoke) at 1:31, 1:34, 1:37, 1:42, 1:44, during the North
> Tower
> > collapse?
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable webfairy@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Speech accents. Somebody's channelling Bela Lugosi I think.
> > >
> > >
> > > alexldent wrote:
> > > > Not sure what you mean by "accents".
> > > >
> > > > Video accents? Or speech accents from the people in the
> background?
> > > >
> > > > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
webfairy@
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> But it's an EXCELLENT fake...absolutely state of the art..
> > > >> The oookiest part is the accents.
> > > >> Rick Siegel hasn't gotten back to me about whatever connection
> with
> > his
> > > >> production company, which is not "his" but was hired.
> > > >> Seigel, in exile growing his own food in Europe, didn't even have
> > an
> > > >> internet connection at the time.
> > > >>
> > > >> I haven't yet recovered the archive from June 2005 alerting me to
> > > >>
> > > > this file.
> > > >
> > > >> It was a message from Marcus Icke, who somehow always knows
where
> > good
> > > >> footage is.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:07:56 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]

Can you imagine the amount of thought process required to use thermite on the tower and the timings required to start off the thermite reactions and then the laying of the devices and detonators?

Horseshoe shaped clean steel beams. Thermite?
----- Original Message -----
From: alexldent
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:27 PM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]

That is cool, thanks!

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Ed Barner
<edwinatlcom.net@...> wrote:
>
> Kick ass thermite video.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/binaries/thermite.wmv
>
>
> truthinmichigan wrote:
>
> > Thermite produces a buttload of heat and intense blue-whiteish light.
> > If you set Thermite going to work away at the structure you'd see the
> > equivalent of an arc-welder light filtering through any cracks.
> > People evacuating would see it. It also takes time. It's not instant
> > like cutter charges. They use thermite sticks -- the stuff even burns
> > under water -- to cut pilings, but it is like a cutting torch. And
> > you'd surely set adjacent materials aflame everywhere it was used.
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.
> > > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:35:31 -0500
> > > From: <naserian@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Commentary on Killtown's piece*
> > > *from Michael Rivero:*
> > > *www.WhatReallyHappened.com* <http://www.WhatReallyHappened.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > 9/11 Rescuer Saw Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby
> > >
> >
<http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html>
> >
> > >
> > > Posted *Feb 11, 2006 08:36 AM
> > >
<http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html#042766>* PST
> > > Category: 911
<http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html>
> > >
> > > Okay, the time has come to clarify things a bit.
> > >
> > > While it is impossible to discount the possibility that some form of
> > > "assistance" such as *thermite* was used to initiate the collapse of
> > the
> > > towers and WTC7, the explosions on the basements and lobbies of the
> > > buildings have a benign explanation.
> > >
> > > Remember that two passenger jets full of aviation kerosene
crashed into
> > > the buildings. Contrary to the official story of pooling on the
impact
> > > floors, all the kerosene that did not immediately flash into orange
> > > flame poured down elevator and ventilation shafts to the lowest
levels
> > > in the building, particlizing on the long drop down. Upon
finding any
> > > source of ignition, the kerosene mist would explode. The
buildings all
> > > shared a common basement and parking areas, so that burning
kerosene in
> > > the basement of one building would drive smoke across and up
into the
> > > other buildings. As the towers and WTC7 collapsed, air driven into
> > their
> > > elevator and ventilation shafts into those shared underground
passages
> > > would blow huge billows of smoke out of the other buildings.
> > >
> > > The reason not to get tied up with reports of explosions in the
> > > basements and lobbies is because anything planted in the
buildings to
> > > trigger a collapse would have been planted at the initial points of
> > > failure. And, considering the attention being focused on the
events of
> > > 9-11, /*the planners would not use explosives that would produce
> > > suspicious noise and flashes.*/ The collapse would have to be
triggered
> > > with a minimum of visible and audible artifacts, so rather than
> > > explosives, a "cutter" such as *thermite *would have been used to
> > weaken
> > > load bearing members.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Betonamit" "DEXPAN" and "Bristar" and " Fract.AG expansive
mortar "
> > > are all "*/explosives that would produce suspicious noise and
> > > flashes." /* As a matter of fact, they do not even explode. These
> > > substances as marketed as non-explosive alternatives to
fracturing rock
> > > of re-inforced concrete. Just drill a hole, place the powder in and
> > then
> > > add water -- via a sprinkle system or carefully placed hoses.
Then run
> > > for dear life.
> > >
> > > Depending on the type of SCDA(Soundless chemical demolition
agents),
> > > significant expansive pressure may be generated as quickly as
within 15
> > > min., or as long as within 24 hr.
> > > http://www.new-technologies.org/ECT/Civil/soundche.htm
> > >
> > > Soundless chemical-demolition agents (SCDAs) ? These come in powder
> > form
> > > and are mixed with water to form a slurry, which is inserted in
> > > boreholes in rock or concrete. The main component of SCDAs is
calcium
> > > oxide, which forms calcium hydroxide when water is added. The
resulting
> > > volatile reaction creates heat, and as the material crystallizes
within
> > > the rock, it causes a threefold increase in volume. Tensile
fracturing
> > > may occur within 10-15 minutes or up to 24 hours. Although
inhibitors
> > > can be added to retard the chemical reaction and increase
control over
> > > the process, the technique is still primitive, and its actual
field use
> > > has been quite limited. SCDAs have generally been used only where
> > > blasting is prohibited, and will eliminate flyrock, noise,
fumes, and
> > > vibrations associated with blasting. SCDAs have been used
underwater in
> > > Seattle to remove bridge piers from docks and to avoid blasting
> > close to
> > > shore. The high cost of SCDAs and some bad experiences in
controlling
> > > the pre-splitting have caused the Corps of Engineers to limit its
> > use of
> > > the expansive agents.
> > > [Source: /Civil Engineering /magazine, March 1990]
> > > BRISTAR is a chemical-demolition agent designed for various
temperature
> > > ranges, and has been used for several Reclamation projects. It
> > generally
> > > requires holes from 1�-2 inches in diameter spaced less than 2 feet
> > apart.
> > >
> > >
> > > The south tower, WTC 2, which had been hit second, was the first to
> > > suffer a complete structural collapse at 10:05am, 62 minutes after
> > being
> > > hit itself, 80 minutes after the first impact.
> > > The north tower, WTC 1, then also collapsed at 10:29am, 104 minutes
> > > after being hit.
> > > http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/World_Trade_Center.html
> > >
> > > *Collapse times
> > > South Tower -- 80 minutes, approx one and a half hours
> > > North tower -- 104 minutes, approx two hours*
> > >
> > > Greater Baton Rouge Business Report - *November 1, 1990*
> > > *Diana Armstrong* knew a good opportunity when she saw it. She ran
> > > across the product last year at a trade show and now she is
> > distributing
> > > Betonamit in some 20 states, Canada, Mexico and the Virgin Islands.
> > > Representatives of *Kubatec, the European company that makes the
> > > Betonamit powder*, were looking for an American investor. At the
time,
> > > the product was widely used in Europe, but it had not been
> > introduced to
> > > the United States.
> > > Armstrong said she researched the company, visited its *lab in
> > > Liechtenstein* and tested the product before buying into the idea.
> > > <snip>
> > > "Louisiana doesn't have any rock," she said. "I had to start with
> > places
> > > where there was already an interest in my product, so I started
in the
> > > Northeast."
> > > *For example, one of Betonamit's largest clients is the New York
> > Transit
> > > Authority.
> > > *"The workers are continually making repairs on the subway
system, but
> > > they can't blast. And because they do most of their work from 11
> > p.m. to
> > > 6 a.m., they have to hold down on the noise," Armstrong said.
> > > She has also provided Betonamit to NASA at Cape Canaveral in August
> > > where workers used Betonamit to tear down a submerged concrete
piling
> > > near the base. And in Washington, engineers used the product for a
> > > sensitive job 500 feet underneath a hydroelectric plant.
> > > Although, Armstrong handles some of these special jobs
personally, much
> > > of her business is through distributors.
> > > Her largest distributor is an Ohio hardware salesman who serves as
> > > master distributor in the New England area. She's also established
> > > master distributors in Canada and Mexico.
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Betonamit's competition is two similar Japanese products sold in the
> > > United States--Bristar and S-Mite. But Armstrong claims the products
> > > lack some of the qualities available with Betonamit.
> > > Betonamit can be used at any temperature, with warmer temperatures
> > > increasing the speed of the expansion process. The reaction exerts
> > up to
> > > 12,000 pounds per square inch of pressure. And depending upon
the size
> > > of the structure and the temperature, *the demolition process
can take
> > > as little as one and a-half hours* or as much as 36 hours, Armstrong
> > said.
> > > Because the product is easy to use and ecologically safe, *Betonamit
> > > requires no license or permit for _use_ or transportation.
> > > *The product comes in two types: Betonamit Type R is the standard
> > liquid
> > > form used to fill vertically drilled holes; Type S is a putty-like,
> > > kneadable mass that can be put into holes drilled overhead and
> > > horizontally, as well as holes in porous or cracked material. It can
> > > also be easily used in underwater applications.
> > > The Japanese products, however, require three to four additives
> > > depending upon the temperature, and they're limited to the
liquid form,
> > > Armstrong said.
> > >
> >
http://www.caribbean7.com/articles/virgin-islands/virgin-islands-article-4290.html
> >
> > > *How utterly convenient is the fact that these non-explosives do not
> > > require permits of any type.
> > > *
> > > *U.S. ANCHOR'S COMPOUNDS FUELING COMPANY GROWTH*
> > > Magazine: South Florida Business Journal, *February 24, 1995*
> > > Though *U.S. Anchor* has an answer for many South Florida
building ills,
> > > *president Hart McIntyre* insists his company doesn't sell
products. "We
> > > sell solutions," he said.
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > The company also has searched the globe for products generally not
> > > available in the states. One is Upat, a line of mechanical anchors.
> > > Another is Kubatec, a European product sold under the name
Betonamit.
> > > When mixed with water, this non-explosive demolition material can
> > > produce 12,000 to 14,000 pounds per square inch of pressure,
effectively
> > > shattering any rock or stone substrate without explosion or
spark. It
> > > may be more expensive than dynamite, McIntyre admitted. But *in
areas
> > > where blasting is unrealistic or will violate restrictions on
noise or
> > > flammability, like hospitals or office buildings, Betonamit is a
viable
> > > alternative.
> > > *"When you're willing to put a pencil to the job-costing
process, this
> > > can be the way to go," he said.
> > >
> >
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=�che:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl==en&gl==us&ct==clnk&cd=

> >
<http://72.14.207.104/search?q=�che:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl==en&gl==us&ct==clnk&cd=>
> >
> > >
> >
<http://72.14.207.104/search?q=�che:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl==en&gl==us&ct==clnk&cd=

> >
<http://72.14.207.104/search?q=�che:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl==en&gl==us&ct==clnk&cd=>>
> > >
> > > *When the twin towers collapsed, the Port Authority Trans-Hudson
> > > Corporations WTC commuter rail station underneath the site was
> > > destroyed, along with one unoccupied train.* Also, transit
tunnels and
> > > stations at the site were severely damaged, causing interruption
of MTA
> > > New York City Transit subway service on two lines.
> > > A special commemorative issue of /At Your Service,/ the NYC Transit
> > > employee newsletter, described the damage: nearly 1,400 feet of
subway
> > > tunnels beneath the towers had caved in or had filled with rubble;
> > > utilities had collapsed into the tunnel; columns from the World
Trade
> > > Center had pierced the tunnel roof; and two-thirds of the Cortlandt
> > > Street Station on the WTC site had also given way.
> > > According to NYC Transit President Lawrence G. Reuter, who moderated
> > the
> > > session, the restoration of subway service through Ground Zero
and the
> > > reopening of one of the Rector Street Station in less than nine
months
> > > was one of the most successful subway-infrastructure reconstruction
> > > projects in the systems history.
> > > http://www.apta.com/passenger_transport/thisweek/0930-6.cfm
> > >
> > > *I thought that the third rail on those trains is electrified.
> > > How come there were no spontaneous fires in the vicinity, and most
> > > especially fires involving gas lines?
> > > How come the tunnels were not flooded with water? Who shut off the
> > mains?
> > >
> > > Anyhow, it is very very gratifying to see thermite
> > > (and hopefully later cementitious compunds)
> > > entering the mainstrewam 911 debate.*
> > >

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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:07:38 -0000
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Hannity has discussion thread on Loose Change

http://www.hannity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55607

Perhaps those of you have haven't posted to the thread about tomorrow
could post replies.

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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:33:24 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Newsweek "reveals" new 9/11-Anthrax/Cipro spin

...duh... :(

NEWSWEEK COVER: Cheney's Secret World Behind The Shooting Furor
Sunday February 19, 10:09 am ET
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060219/nysu008.html?.v=45

Cheney Believed He, His Family and Staff May Have Been Exposed in an Anthrax
Attack After 9/11; Was False Alarm But Story Kept Quiet

NEW YORK, Feb. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- A few weeks after 9/11, Newsweek has
learned, Vice President Dick Cheney worried that he and his family and his
staff might have been exposed in an anthrax attack. According to
knowledgeable former officials, a mysterious letter turned up at the vice
president's mansion. (A former senior law-enforcement official recalled that
sensors went off.) The alarm turned out to be false. Still, to be safe,
Cheney and his entourage began taking Cipro, the powerful antibiotic. The
story was hushed up. (Cheney's office referred Newsweek to the Secret
Service, which declined to comment.)....

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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:05:54 -0000
From: "Marsha" <Mofmars3@wmconnect.com>
Subject: Revised with new link for Wing TV if you can't get the original to load

Press Release "War Crimes" and "Media Cover-Up of 9/11" Forward
WRevised with new link for Wing TV if you can't get the original to
loadidely

Presidents' Day "March for 9/11 Truth," NYC Ground Zero, 10 a.m.
Monday, 2/20/06

Activists Plan 60's Style Protest against "War Crimes" and "Media
Cover-Up of 9/11" in downtown Manhattan

New York City, NY (PRWEB) February 18, 2006 -- Vermonter Greg Nixon
is a man on a mission to save America - from itself. He is one of a
new breed of issue-oriented activists who were often not even
involved in politics before 9/11. What mobilizes him is a prospect of
indescribable horror: he sees plain proof that the WTC was destroyed
on 9/11 in an undercover operation within America's own military
intelligence establishment.

From all angles, it's a topsy-turvy world view, that can bowl one
over with vertigo at first. A mirror world with such contrarian
coordinates as:
- the terrorists are Americans, not Arabs;
- ex-mayor Giuliani and George Bush are suspects, not heroes of 9/11;
- much as the Bush administration capitalized on 9/11 to advance its
agenda, the 9/11 Truthers seize on it as the Achilles heel of
the "new militarism," with evidence of a controlled demolition of WTC
1, 2 and 7 as the smoking gun or fatal flaw in the official version;
- "left-leaning" media like The Nation, Pacifica's Democracy Now, and
The New York Times, along with groups like ANSWER and the Democratic
Party, are not seen as a real opposition; because they don't
accept "9/11 Truth," they are just playing a part in the plans for
World War IV on the oil fields of the Middle East.

Indeed, Greg Nixon would like the President's Day March to take aim
especially at the "establishment left gatekeepers."

The plan for Monday's march is fairly ad hoc. After assembling at WTC
Ground Zero, the protesters may march to Attorney General Elliot
Spitzer's office with a letter demanding his resignation for failing
to investigate 9/11. Last year, 9/11 activists in New York filed an
extensive complaint with Spitzer, and hopes were high for a time that
he might take up the case. Offices of the above-mentioned "left-wing
gatekeepers" could be next.

Speakers expected are Greg Nixon and others, including:
Craig Hill, the Vermont Green Party senatorial candidate, who
includes photographic evidence of the WTC demolition in his campaign
platform. His website is www.hillsenatenow.org .
Sander Hicks, author of the 9/11 expos? The Big Wedding, and owner of
the Vox Pop Democracy Caf? in Brooklyn, www.voxpopnet.net.

9/11 activist, historian and radio personality Webster Tarpley will
speak at a Greg Nixon event on April 27th at the University of
Vermont. Tarpley is devoting his energies to opposing the latest war
drive on Iran. He says the plan is to attack Iran already by the end
of March, which leaves much less time for mobilizing springtime
demonstrations such as we saw before the attack on Iraq. (see
http://www.waronfreedom.org/activists/stop-amerigeddon.html) He is
the author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA.

During the run-up to the Iraq war, 9/11 activists tried but failed to
convince the peace movement that exposing 9/11 was the only way to
stop the juggernaut of war. They felt that rank-and-file pacifists
were receptive, but the leadership marched to a different,
establishment tune.

More details on the Presidents' Day march at
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/332307.shtml .

See also the feature article on the march at
http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php "2/20 March
for 9/11 Truth NYC: The Tipping Point? The world is at the most
serious crossroads in modern history. The fraudulent 'War on Terror'
threatens the very future of humanity."

For an interview with Greg Nixon, see
http://www.phillyimc.org/en/2006/02/19016.shtml . Quote:
"Bring your digital camera, too. Because something tells me that
history is going to be made in New York City this upcoming Monday, in
honor of President?s Day. That?s the day those actually informed
about 9/11 will gather together in NYC to honor the birthday of the
first GW. You know, the GW who was unable to tell a lie."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Today>>>Friday>>>wingtv.net...All media and people everywhere must
see this interview with Greg Nixon

If you can't get the show to play...Left click where it says to right
click and watch later

Alternate link>>>http://thewebfairy.com/hardtruth/gregnixon02-20.mp3

Marsha McClelland
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:21:03 EST
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:11:21 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Newsweek "reveals" new 9/11-Anthrax/Cipro spin

so why the !@$# is this story just appearing now????? Why was it "kept
quiet"?

Do TPTB feel they have to start heavily reinforce the terror myth these days?

Seems like it.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> ...duh... :(
>
> NEWSWEEK COVER: Cheney's Secret World Behind The Shooting Furor
> Sunday February 19, 10:09 am ET
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060219/nysu008.html?.v=45
>
> Cheney Believed He, His Family and Staff May Have Been Exposed in an
Anthrax
> Attack After 9/11; Was False Alarm But Story Kept Quiet
>
> NEW YORK, Feb. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- A few weeks after 9/11, Newsweek
has
> learned, Vice President Dick Cheney worried that he and his family and his
> staff might have been exposed in an anthrax attack. According to
> knowledgeable former officials, a mysterious letter turned up at the vice
> president's mansion. (A former senior law-enforcement official recalled that
> sensors went off.) The alarm turned out to be false. Still, to be safe,
> Cheney and his entourage began taking Cipro, the powerful antibiotic. The
> story was hushed up. (Cheney's office referred Newsweek to the Secret
> Service, which declined to comment.)....
>
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:23 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)

I can never can see any attachments on this board, both on Mac and PC.

Anyway: alexldent@yahoo.com

Appreciate it you could send. Thanks.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "FONEBONE" <fonebone@...>
wrote:
>
> Mornin Alex I have sent the original post again
> Yahoo does't archive the graphics I guess
> If the graphics don't come thru again ,include your direct email and I'll
> send it to you directly
>
> --Fonebone
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:54 AM
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the
> first hit ("impact" only)
>
>
> Is there a link with this or pictures? All I see is text.
>
> But otherwise I agree in general with your comments.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "FONEBONE" <fonebone@>
wrote:
> >
> > WHERE ARE the 160 foot wide wings ?
> >
> > They created this scar <below> in the NORTH TOWER NORTH FACE AT
IMPACT
> > NO?
> > <left> Underside of a Boeing 767 <right> magnification of the
> > "PLANE"
> > and shadow from the still extracted from the Naudet video with a color
> > filter applied
> > to ferret out hidden details
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scar of Jumbo-jet in WTC 1 north wall created by the 160 foot wings ---
> > again color filtered for clue extraction -
> >
> > This scar had to be created by preplaced and prepositioned explosive
> charges
> > to created this Hollywood
> > Special Effect scar because there DAMN SURE AIN'T NO 160 FOOT
WIDE WINGS
> >
> >
> >
> > The width of the tower wall is 220 feet and the tip to tip wing span
> of a
> > Boeing 767 is 160 feet
> > This ratio of 160 / 220 is reduced to 16 / 22 and finally to 8 / 11
> > The ratio of wingspan to building width with the angle of bank at
> impact as
> > indicated by the scar
> > is superimposed in RED over the cigar shaped scar to indicate
> exactly where
> > these huge
> > FAT WINGS SHOULD BE -
> > The YELLOW ball indicates SUN position with the yellow line revealing
> > SUN-RAY Path
> > to help thinkers gauge exactly where the WING SHADOWS should be
> >
> >
> >
> > WHERE ARE THE 160 FOOT WINGS ?
> > point them out --
> > CUT the CRAP THIS is a MISSILE - FONEBONE
> >
> >
> >
> > [FONEBONE]
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:47 AM
> > To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of
> the first
> > hit ("impact" only)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/frame-by-frame-analysis-
extreme
> > .html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:32 -0000
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Newsweek "reveals" new 9/11-Anthrax/Cipro spin

Oh My God.

Thanks Nico, now I have diabetes of the colon, as that article blew too
much sugar coated smoke up my @#$%&.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> ...duh... :(
>
> NEWSWEEK COVER: Cheney's Secret World Behind The Shooting Furor
> Sunday February 19, 10:09 am ET
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060219/nysu008.html?.v=45
>
> Cheney Believed He, His Family and Staff May Have Been Exposed in an
Anthrax
> Attack After 9/11; Was False Alarm But Story Kept Quiet
>
> NEW YORK, Feb. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- A few weeks after 9/11, Newsweek has
> learned, Vice President Dick Cheney worried that he and his family and
his
> staff might have been exposed in an anthrax attack. According to
> knowledgeable former officials, a mysterious letter turned up at the
vice
> president's mansion. (A former senior law-enforcement official
recalled that
> sensors went off.) The alarm turned out to be false. Still, to be
safe,
> Cheney and his entourage began taking Cipro, the powerful antibiotic.
The
> story was hushed up. (Cheney's office referred Newsweek to the Secret
> Service, which declined to comment.)....
>
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:19:11 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN

this guy was at the center of the crash and survived?

what a load of hooey!

Good catch about seeing the "U". That seems rather unlikely.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...>
wrote:
>
> I was going to do an article/analysis of the facts surrounding an eye witness
to the approach of 175 but this is an ideal time so here it is, in brief.
>
> Stanley Praimnath [assistant vice president] of Fugi Bank who had floors 78-
83 in the south tower. 175 cut across, off centre, floors 77-84. 175 plunged
through into the room where he had to dive beneath his desk. [on the 81st
floor] The plane had SLIGHTLY banked at the last second. The Fugi offices
were at the centre of the crash area. The wing of the jet was jammed into a
door, twenty feet from where Praimnath was beneath his desk.
>
> His office window looked south over New York Harbour and the Statue of
Liberty. Whilst seated he spotted an unfamiliar shape on the horizon. He
could see the red and blue marking and the letter "U" as it approached. He
dived under his desk.
>
> Here is a picture of N612UA:-
>
> http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0844867&WxsIERv=Obrvat%20767-
222&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Havgrq%20Nveyvarf&QtODMg=Ybf%20Natryrf%20-
%20Vagreangvbany%20%28YNK%20%2F%20XYNK%29&ERDLTkt=
HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Wnahnel%2028%2C%201997&BP=1&
WNEb25u=Xwryy%20avyffba&xsIERvdWdsY=A612HN&MgTUQtODMgKE=
Guvf%20nvepensg%20penfurq%20vagb%20Jbeyq%20Genqr%20Pragre%2
C%20ohvyqvat%20Gjb%20va%20ALP%2C%20ba%20Frcg%2011%2C%20
2001...%209%3A03%20ybpny%20gvzr%20nf%20syvtug%20HN175&
YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=4479&NEb25uZWxs=2005-05-
24%2017%3A19%3A37&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=21873%2F41&static=
yes&width=1024&height=665&sok=&photo_nr=14&prev_id=0865747&
next_id=0838568&size=L
>
> The red & blue marking to which Stanley Praimnath refers is obviously the
logo on the planes' tailfin [in fact it is two "U"'s overlayed
>
> Praimnath is said to be on the phone to a colleague in Chicago who had
rang to inquire after his well-being and she was watching the tv and listening
to him at the same time. These facts attributed to Praimnath are not in quotes.
>
> I'm sure our resident expert with Flight Simulator, Marcus could simulate the
angle at which 175 was flying towards the south wall of the south tower for
Praimnath to have seen a side view of the tailfin but I'm sure you will all see
how very unlikely this is. To see the "U" the tailfin would have had to be flying
across Praimnaths' line of sight. Had it been flying across his line of sight it
would have passed the south tower and thus he would have looked foolish
had he then dived under his desk.
>
> Now, had Praimnath "seen" the UA livery, as a whole, which would have
been more likely [although still doubtful if it was flying towards him and the
tower] that would have been oviously sufficient. The question is how did he
see the "U" instead of the vast amount of livery?
>
> What puts this beyond any question of fakery is the fact that had he seen the
side of the tail he would have seen the side of the fuselage with the airline
name along it. Of course had the side of the fuselage been seen that would
have been too obvious the plane was flying past the tower and not towards it.
>
> [source of Praimnaths' alleged observations - the book "102 Minutes".
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rosalee Grable
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com ; Marcus Icke
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your
hoax pictures from CNN
>
>
> But it's an EXCELLENT fake...absolutely state of the art..
> The oookiest part is the accents.
> Rick Siegel hasn't gotten back to me about whatever connection with his
> production company, which is not "his" but was hired.
> Seigel, in exile growing his own food in Europe, didn't even have an
> internet connection at the time.
>
> I haven't yet recovered the archive from June 2005 alerting me to this file.
> It was a message from Marcus Icke, who somehow always knows where
good
> footage is.
>
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
>
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > Bizarre. The path of the plane is clearly at a much different angle
> > than any other second hit footage I've seen. Clearly fake.
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <
webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This is the best second hit cartoon I've ever seen.
> >> I first saw it as as an alleged "preview clip" from 911eyewitness,
> >> downloaded from Blue Star Productions in June 2005.
> >> Perhaps Jullie Blattenbauer can give more details of the source as she
> >> knows it.
> >>
> >> This second hit IS NOT part of the 911eyewitness footage on the DVD,
> >>
> > and
> >
> >> Rick Siegel says he didn't see any planes and didn't know anybody
> >>
> > who did.
> >
> >> Larger version:
> >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Loughrey wrote:
> >>
> >>> this is a much smoother version of the flight 175
> >>> animation. This time the movement seems less
> >>> skittish. Still, it continues to displays the same
> >>> perspective problem that Webfairy has noticed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Julie Blattenbauer <> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:00:42 -0800
> >>>> From: "Julie Blattenbauer" <>
> >>>> To: ScottL44@
> >>>> Subject: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.bodyatomic.com/video.html
>

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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:35:28 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)

> --- Urspr�ngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the
> first hit ("impact" only)
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:23 -0000
>

I also have often to scroll to end at message to see,
if there's a message.

My suggestion:
The moderators allow some members, who are most active with video/audio
stuff, to upload these files into our file folder section at yahoogroup and
then just post the link or an info.

I recommend to allow uploads for Alex, PerpYnq, Rob...

Anyone else, please request an upload okay.

>>>>I can never can see any attachments on this board, both on Mac and PC.

Anyway: alexldent@yahoo.com

Appreciate it you could send. Thanks.<<

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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:37:57 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: USS Cole (prob old news to most of you)

At the time of the bombings, a Yemeni regime official advanced the theory
that the U.S. had blown up the boat itself, as pretense for an invasion.

http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=1614&cid=2&sid=90

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