Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911TruthAction] Digest Number 1108

Sunday, February 05, 2006

[911TruthAction] Digest Number 1108

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Truth Action Under Attack
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
2. Re: New member ....... looks like a typical COINTELPRO errand-boy
From: "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
3. My Space Gay Bar Killer - Same Website Used By Cross Country Murder By Sexual Predator
From: Tom Trefts <tomcat6169@yahoo.com>
4. Re: Truth Action Under Attack
From: "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
5. Re: My Space Gay Bar Killer - Same Website Used By Cross Country Murder By Sexual Predator
From: "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
6. Re: Truth Action Under Attack
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
7. Re: My Space Gay Bar Killer - Same Website Used By Cross Country Murder By Sexua
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
8. Re: Re: Truth Action Under Attack
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
9. Re: maybe we can try this another time
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
10. A nice link at the WEB site of the "unifiedveteranscoalition"
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
11. Re: A nice link at the WEB site of the "unifiedveteranscoalition"
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
12. Paging "Tom Trefts" ... who claims to be a veteran ?
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
13. Re: Hello
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
14. Re: NY "Indymedia" is a FRAUD!!!!!
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
15. Road Poem
From: janet phelan <jcphelan10@yahoo.com>
16. Re: Re: Hello
From: "Dick Eastman" <de1949@nwinfo.net>
17. RE: Truth Action Under Attack
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
18. RE: Critical Mass
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
19. 9/11 Truth Starting to Break Through Leftwing Gatekeepers
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
20. RE: Truth Action Under Attack
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
21. Re: maybe we can try this another time
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
22. Dear Organizers, I want to be fair to you
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
23. 9/11 Backlash Comes From Hollywood, Not Government
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
24. GT Captain May: Nuclear Super Bowl? (w/ "Target Texas City" 1/31 WMD "game" analysis)
From: Eric May <captainmay@prodigy.net>
25. Dear Tomcat - Re: Paging "Tom Trefts" ... who claims to be a veteran ?
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:07:26 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Truth Action Under Attack

Damn... that just sent a shiver down my spine ....

Actually I also consider it important to observe, log, record and
otherwise catalog discrete atttempts at diversion or disruption.
We have to put these things under the micro-scope efficiently, quickly
and according to time-honored (often common-sense) principles of good
old classical scientific method.

Because deliberate, engineered disinfo attacks also constitute
"evidence" of a sort. Especially if we can track down the sources
and determine them with a fair degree of certainty.

Then we have practiced "counter-intelligence" ourselves; which is a
big part of what military psy-op units do.

When it comes to understanding COINTELPRO, we have to look directly at
the ideational CONTENT (and implied purpose) of the mis-direction...
rather than getting caught up in the personal lives of the poor
manipulated prostitutes who are enabling or manufacturing the disinfo.
The people are only important, insofar as their funding and
organizational affiliations might give shape to a network of disinfo.

Even that tactical layout of the forces involved is secondary.
It's not about the individuals (whatever fake WEB handles they might
be using) so much.

IT'S ABOUT THE CONTENT.
It usually has an engineered purpose.
We have to decipher disinfo and understand it to figure out where they
might be headed next (which fall-back position or limited hangout),
and how they intend to sidetrack, slow-down, disrupt or mislead.

At the same time, we don't want them disrupting ongoing activism,
educational work and networking;
by pre-occupying us with distractions.

Often this comes down to adjudicating by the normal "rules of
evidence" we all used to see referred to trivially in television shows
about lawyers, cops and robbers.
It is flawed and easily subject to manipulation and distortion.
But it's all we've really got.

Evidence must RELEVANT.
And it must be SUBSTANTIVE.
Examination and cross-examination of evidence and testimony, then
proceed to validate, discredit, or call into question the reliability
of the evidence ... so that a jury can draw reasonable inferences and
consider the case calmly, with deliberation and precision, so as to
arrive at an imperfect but hopefully just decision.

Actually, the OLDER the TV detective and lawyer shows, the more
accurate is their presentation of simple rules of evidence.
But you can see these rules of evidence in every place from the
newspapers to Mickey Spillaine and Agatha Christie (Anglo-Saxon common
law) novels.

Or just spend a few days sitting around in criminal court, watching
how corrupt or incompetent the judges are; or how venal the lawyers;
or how malleable and easily-manipulated the juries are.

That will teach you all about they myth verus the reality of 'due
process" and the Rule of Law.

The wilfull, deliberate and wanton suppression, export and/or outright
destruction, of so much critical 9/11 forensic evidence, itself, is a
file-cabinet of prosecutions: perjury, obstruction of justice.
(security cam footage, steel from the WTC, whatever "black boxes" - if
any - might have existed, air traffic control tapes that were ordered
destroyed by a superviser)

We have murder, fraud, RICO conspiracy, as one would typically prepare
an indictment and grounds for immediate arrest, confinement and
interrogation of protected witnesses, and so forth.
We have solid evidence to proceed in those cases, this very day...
if we had the warrants and muscle to enforce them.

These are dangerous criminals.
An ongoing, massive criminal enterprise.
We must make their arrests bigger issues than anything else.
Bigger than "impeachment".

It took the nation almost five years to arrest and indict Al Capone;
and he only ran a regional crime syndicate.
They weren't even able to get him for the many hits he ordered, or
committed himself.
They had to get him on income-tax evasion !
It was just a limited hangout in the end.

Same thing with Charles Luciano in New York.
They busted him and sent him to prison as a pimp (sex slave trading);
when they had plenty of evidence that could have sent him to the
chair. Then later, they sprung him from jail and sub-contracted him
to run the post-war heroin tade from Sicily.

They never really nailed Meyer Lansky,
And his ambition has now been realized: a truly global crime
syndicate; with its agents in the corporate boardrooms, the courts and
police stations, the miltary and intell. establishments

Here again I refer to the sober and scholarly Morgan Reynolds as a
good source for using 9/11 as a simple case study in criminal
investigation, that steps us through the generarlly recognized
standards for admitting and vaidating physical "evidence".

These standards are fairly consistent from the Nuremberg procedures,
to the Hague and World Court, to our own version of due process and
jury trials here in the US.

By publicizing the provable solid evidence of 9/11 (and identifying
the COINTELPRO trash), we validate and re-establish the importance of
due process and the Rule of Law in this country.

What could be a nobler goal ... achievable or not ?

In so doing, we test and redeems our HOPE (faith ?) in the rule of law
(as over and above the "Rule of Men").
Which is supposed to be at the core of our traditions; though often
honored more in our myths, than in the reality.

So I believe Prof. Reynolds lays out the kind of formal case that
would be tranlated into warrants for the arrest of the 9/11 perps,
primary and secondary, along with a host of hostile or co-operative
witnesses. Big job. Dirty job.
Difficult, but not impossible; by any means.

It will probably take some judicious application of force to
re-establish the primacy of law here in the US;
barring direct intervention from powers outside the country itself,
hardly a pleasant or flattering prospect, but not one to be ruled out
either.
If WE fail to reassert civilized control over this nation and its
military assets; then others may see it as feasible to step into the
vaccuum, and enforce "law and order" themselves.

We should never blind ourselves to the dangers that exist post-9/11.
A "rogue" state is, implicitly, an illegitimate state.
And we know, from the standpoint of international treaty, law and
taditionl exactly what that implies.

Since the United States has used precisely that rationale, to invade
and occupy other states, since before the Mexican War of 1848.

So, in the meantime, we must defend what makes us sane and civilized,
while proceeding to make the case for mass arrests and prosecutions.

The Rule of Law.
Due Process.
Rules of Evidence.
Scientific Method.

We are a civilized people with a history.
There is nothing that happened on 9/11, that could not have been
assuredly PREDICTED the day before.
The biggest fraud of all, the cruelist hype, the most deadly illusion;
is the vain conceit that an engineered (state-sponsored) event like
9/11 was a "total surprise" to all of us.

And that's because we have been dumbed-down by a corrupt and
co-criminal corporate media; who also need to stand in the dock and
answer for their role in this rape of our national identity amd values.
Because millions of Americans forgot all about complicated things like
Constitutions, Bills of Rights, lawyers and courts, and wars fought in
places that nobody cared much about anyway.
Because millions of Americans shirked their responsibility to function
as thinking responsible adults, responsible for the future survivial
of their society, which is a craven and cowardly betrayal of the future.

We can't afford to argue about whether it might be "too late" or not.
We have to act as though that no longer matters.
Because now it is more than just recovering our "national honor" in
the world; it is about recovering and preserving our personal honor.
By which I mean our dignity and self-respect.
Without which, the next generation of adults would hardly owe us any
respect or consideration at all.

And recovering that responsibility, redeeming the coin of "liberty",
now means confronting criminal tyranny directly.

And that means confronting it as a huge, global, criminal case.
And making that case with sufficient detail, conviction and back-up,
so that we validate again the sacred principles of due process,
justice under law, all equal before the law ...
which made us a civilization in the first place.

So 9/11 is like a Rosetta Stone to recover our sacred traditions of
justice (an imperfect determination of "truth"); much as the earlier
assassination of JFK, or so many other of those historic tragedies,
that reveal so painfully, how elite corruption has filtered down and
infected the subordinate layers of American soiciety, so that, in the
end ... all are compromised.

All are corrupted by their silent acquiescence, or weak compliance or
active complicity in these outrages committed against the whole of
civilization.

Our only redemption is to proclaim far and wide the nature of these
crimes; and the urgent and severe measures which must unfortunately be
employed to prevent the perpetrators from doing more; before they
stupidly and psychotically get us all killed.

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Cathy Garger
<savorsuccesslady@...> wrote:
>
> Good point, Ron. We've been under attack for some time now, albeit
very subtly. These guys are usually more subtle and clever. We need
to keep going and know that the more attention we receive, the more
resources that have been allocated towards this group because we are
effective and are considered a threat to Empire.
>
> It's like a symbol of honor. And when someone is blatantly trying
to sabotage efforts? Moderators typically do just hit the Delete key,
so not to worry - the ones who are obvious typically don't last too long.
>
> wakeupthetown <ronaldneil@...> wrote:
> "Clearly this group is being heavily bombarded with distractive,
> diversionary and off-the-wall postings intended to dilute, debase and
> degrade the level of discourse and reporting."
>
> When the enemies of freedom turn their guns on you, they see you as a
> threat. Consider that good news. The threshold has apparently been
> broken. Now, step up the pace and get them to duck.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:25:21 -0000
From: "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New member ....... looks like a typical COINTELPRO errand-boy

Totally,

Attn: Mods Perhaps go to membership approval for a brief period?

Also ask Jolly to add more moderators (people we know) to increase
the the ability to catch in the act.

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn Ertell"
<lynnertell@...> wrote:
>
>
> The posting below (and the individual responsible) are perfect
> examples of what needs to me moderated OUT of this group.
>
> Expect to be deluged with more of this kind of pseudo-Biblical
> snake-oil "prophecy" and fake religious mumbo-jumbo.
>
> It's intended to muddy the waters, turn off and drive away rational
> people and bog us down with a lot of crap.....
> Transparently obvious as COINTELPRO...
>
>
>
> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Roland Croteau <rolandcro@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I hope this finds all well and in good spirit.
> >
> > As a serious student and activist for more than 25 years I hope
I can
> > offer something of value to this group.
> >
> > I believe anyone who has "done the work" knows the U.S.
government was,
> > at the very least, complicit in 9-11. And "we the sheople" are
hoping
> > they will admit it publicly??
> >
> > I see government as force and force is power. In all of recorded
> > history I have NEVER seen force/power relinquish just by
> > asking/petitioning.
> >
> > Does it make any sense that government will this time?
> >
> > In my studied/activist opinion.., 9-11 is merely a part of a
global
> > scheme to forward the global agenda of the elite to create
global
> > governance.
> >
> > The links below offer information that ties it all together and
then at
> > "THE PLAN" link, offers the ONLY solution out of this mess.
> >
> > Of course you will need to decide for yourself. Should you
decide to do
> > the work/study.., I would NOT recommend "skip reading" for each
> > sentence in each presentation builds/lays a foundation for the
next,
> > offering fullest comprehension for the reader the first time
through
> > [as it is recommended they be read more than once].
> >
> > Regards,
> > Roland
> >
> > http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.info
> > http://i.am/jah/plan.htm
> > http://360.yahoo.com/rolandcro
> >
>

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:37:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Trefts <tomcat6169@yahoo.com>
Subject: My Space Gay Bar Killer - Same Website Used By Cross Country Murder By Sexual Predator

Teen Killer In Gay Bar Slayings Was On MySpace.com

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060205/ap_on_re_us/gay_bar_shooting

Attention all concerned parents, the website Myspace.com has been in the news twice this week as noted in the article above or go to MSNBC for recent story of 50 sexual predators being caught in one evening after young girl stalked and killed by cross country pedofile.

My wife and I advise immediate look at your teenage & preteens internet activities to insure that they are not engaged in high risk behavior.

Just a heads up by Tom & Caren Trefts and the Rest of the Unified Veterans Coalition team.

Tom Trefts
Unified Veterans Coalition
www.xsorbit27.com/users5/unifiedveteranscoalition/

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:39:13 -0000
From: "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Truth Action Under Attack

Lynn,

Please grace more than the cyberworld with your most excellent
commentary. When I think of all the DRIVEL i read in rags like
In These Times, ZNet and the Progressive...your voice is needed.

ps. I think COINTLEPRO is very subtle,fronts like 9/11truth.org are
about being a safety valve and redirecting activism - the last thing
they want is a rally like 2/20 in NYC where one of the perps is
actually confronted.

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn Ertell"
<lynnertell@...> wrote:
>
>
> Damn... that just sent a shiver down my spine ....
>
> Actually I also consider it important to observe, log, record and
> otherwise catalog discrete atttempts at diversion or disruption.
> We have to put these things under the micro-scope efficiently,
quickly
> and according to time-honored (often common-sense) principles of
good
> old classical scientific method.
>
> Because deliberate, engineered disinfo attacks also constitute
> "evidence" of a sort. Especially if we can track down the sources
> and determine them with a fair degree of certainty.
>
> Then we have practiced "counter-intelligence" ourselves; which is a
> big part of what military psy-op units do.
>
> When it comes to understanding COINTELPRO, we have to look
directly at
> the ideational CONTENT (and implied purpose) of the mis-
direction...
> rather than getting caught up in the personal lives of the poor
> manipulated prostitutes who are enabling or manufacturing the
disinfo.
> The people are only important, insofar as their funding and
> organizational affiliations might give shape to a network of
disinfo.
>
> Even that tactical layout of the forces involved is secondary.
> It's not about the individuals (whatever fake WEB handles they
might
> be using) so much.
>
> IT'S ABOUT THE CONTENT.
> It usually has an engineered purpose.
> We have to decipher disinfo and understand it to figure out where
they
> might be headed next (which fall-back position or limited hangout),
> and how they intend to sidetrack, slow-down, disrupt or mislead.
>
> At the same time, we don't want them disrupting ongoing activism,
> educational work and networking;
> by pre-occupying us with distractions.
>
> Often this comes down to adjudicating by the normal "rules of
> evidence" we all used to see referred to trivially in television
shows
> about lawyers, cops and robbers.
> It is flawed and easily subject to manipulation and distortion.
> But it's all we've really got.
>
> Evidence must RELEVANT.
> And it must be SUBSTANTIVE.
> Examination and cross-examination of evidence and testimony, then
> proceed to validate, discredit, or call into question the
reliability
> of the evidence ... so that a jury can draw reasonable inferences
and
> consider the case calmly, with deliberation and precision, so as to
> arrive at an imperfect but hopefully just decision.
>
> Actually, the OLDER the TV detective and lawyer shows, the more
> accurate is their presentation of simple rules of evidence.
> But you can see these rules of evidence in every place from the
> newspapers to Mickey Spillaine and Agatha Christie (Anglo-Saxon
common
> law) novels.
>
> Or just spend a few days sitting around in criminal court, watching
> how corrupt or incompetent the judges are; or how venal the
lawyers;
> or how malleable and easily-manipulated the juries are.
>
> That will teach you all about they myth verus the reality of 'due
> process" and the Rule of Law.
>
> The wilfull, deliberate and wanton suppression, export and/or
outright
> destruction, of so much critical 9/11 forensic evidence, itself,
is a
> file-cabinet of prosecutions: perjury, obstruction of justice.
> (security cam footage, steel from the WTC, whatever "black boxes" -
if
> any - might have existed, air traffic control tapes that were
ordered
> destroyed by a superviser)
>
> We have murder, fraud, RICO conspiracy, as one would typically
prepare
> an indictment and grounds for immediate arrest, confinement and
> interrogation of protected witnesses, and so forth.
> We have solid evidence to proceed in those cases, this very day...
> if we had the warrants and muscle to enforce them.
>
> These are dangerous criminals.
> An ongoing, massive criminal enterprise.
> We must make their arrests bigger issues than anything else.
> Bigger than "impeachment".
>
> It took the nation almost five years to arrest and indict Al
Capone;
> and he only ran a regional crime syndicate.
> They weren't even able to get him for the many hits he ordered, or
> committed himself.
> They had to get him on income-tax evasion !
> It was just a limited hangout in the end.
>
> Same thing with Charles Luciano in New York.
> They busted him and sent him to prison as a pimp (sex slave
trading);
> when they had plenty of evidence that could have sent him to the
> chair. Then later, they sprung him from jail and sub-contracted
him
> to run the post-war heroin tade from Sicily.
>
> They never really nailed Meyer Lansky,
> And his ambition has now been realized: a truly global crime
> syndicate; with its agents in the corporate boardrooms, the courts
and
> police stations, the miltary and intell. establishments
>
> Here again I refer to the sober and scholarly Morgan Reynolds as a
> good source for using 9/11 as a simple case study in criminal
> investigation, that steps us through the generarlly recognized
> standards for admitting and vaidating physical "evidence".
>
> These standards are fairly consistent from the Nuremberg
procedures,
> to the Hague and World Court, to our own version of due process and
> jury trials here in the US.
>
> By publicizing the provable solid evidence of 9/11 (and identifying
> the COINTELPRO trash), we validate and re-establish the importance
of
> due process and the Rule of Law in this country.
>
> What could be a nobler goal ... achievable or not ?
>
> In so doing, we test and redeems our HOPE (faith ?) in the rule of
law
> (as over and above the "Rule of Men").
> Which is supposed to be at the core of our traditions; though often
> honored more in our myths, than in the reality.
>
> So I believe Prof. Reynolds lays out the kind of formal case that
> would be tranlated into warrants for the arrest of the 9/11 perps,
> primary and secondary, along with a host of hostile or co-operative
> witnesses. Big job. Dirty job.
> Difficult, but not impossible; by any means.
>
> It will probably take some judicious application of force to
> re-establish the primacy of law here in the US;
> barring direct intervention from powers outside the country itself,
> hardly a pleasant or flattering prospect, but not one to be ruled
out
> either.
> If WE fail to reassert civilized control over this nation and its
> military assets; then others may see it as feasible to step into
the
> vaccuum, and enforce "law and order" themselves.
>
> We should never blind ourselves to the dangers that exist post-
9/11.
> A "rogue" state is, implicitly, an illegitimate state.
> And we know, from the standpoint of international treaty, law and
> taditionl exactly what that implies.
>
> Since the United States has used precisely that rationale, to
invade
> and occupy other states, since before the Mexican War of 1848.
>
> So, in the meantime, we must defend what makes us sane and
civilized,
> while proceeding to make the case for mass arrests and
prosecutions.
>
> The Rule of Law.
> Due Process.
> Rules of Evidence.
> Scientific Method.
>
> We are a civilized people with a history.
> There is nothing that happened on 9/11, that could not have been
> assuredly PREDICTED the day before.
> The biggest fraud of all, the cruelist hype, the most deadly
illusion;
> is the vain conceit that an engineered (state-sponsored) event like
> 9/11 was a "total surprise" to all of us.
>
> And that's because we have been dumbed-down by a corrupt and
> co-criminal corporate media; who also need to stand in the dock and
> answer for their role in this rape of our national identity amd
values.
> Because millions of Americans forgot all about complicated things
like
> Constitutions, Bills of Rights, lawyers and courts, and wars
fought in
> places that nobody cared much about anyway.
> Because millions of Americans shirked their responsibility to
function
> as thinking responsible adults, responsible for the future
survivial
> of their society, which is a craven and cowardly betrayal of the
future.
>
> We can't afford to argue about whether it might be "too late" or
not.
> We have to act as though that no longer matters.
> Because now it is more than just recovering our "national honor" in
> the world; it is about recovering and preserving our personal
honor.
> By which I mean our dignity and self-respect.
> Without which, the next generation of adults would hardly owe us
any
> respect or consideration at all.
>
> And recovering that responsibility, redeeming the coin
of "liberty",
> now means confronting criminal tyranny directly.
>
> And that means confronting it as a huge, global, criminal case.
> And making that case with sufficient detail, conviction and back-
up,
> so that we validate again the sacred principles of due process,
> justice under law, all equal before the law ...
> which made us a civilization in the first place.
>
> So 9/11 is like a Rosetta Stone to recover our sacred traditions of
> justice (an imperfect determination of "truth"); much as the
earlier
> assassination of JFK, or so many other of those historic tragedies,
> that reveal so painfully, how elite corruption has filtered down
and
> infected the subordinate layers of American soiciety, so that, in
the
> end ... all are compromised.
>
> All are corrupted by their silent acquiescence, or weak compliance
or
> active complicity in these outrages committed against the whole of
> civilization.
>
> Our only redemption is to proclaim far and wide the nature of these
> crimes; and the urgent and severe measures which must
unfortunately be
> employed to prevent the perpetrators from doing more; before they
> stupidly and psychotically get us all killed.
>
>
> --- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Cathy Garger
> <savorsuccesslady@> wrote:
> >
> > Good point, Ron. We've been under attack for some time now,
albeit
> very subtly. These guys are usually more subtle and clever. We
need
> to keep going and know that the more attention we receive, the more
> resources that have been allocated towards this group because we
are
> effective and are considered a threat to Empire.
> >
> > It's like a symbol of honor. And when someone is blatantly
trying
> to sabotage efforts? Moderators typically do just hit the Delete
key,
> so not to worry - the ones who are obvious typically don't last
too long.
> >
> > wakeupthetown <ronaldneil@> wrote:
> > "Clearly this group is being heavily bombarded with
distractive,
> > diversionary and off-the-wall postings intended to dilute,
debase and
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:41:03 -0000
From: "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: My Space Gay Bar Killer - Same Website Used By Cross Country Murder By Sexual Predator

OH Moderator "Tom" needs to be sent back to Ft. Meade and learn a
course in subltey - toute suite

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Tom Trefts <tomcat6169@...>
wrote:
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> Teen Killer In Gay Bar Slayings Was On MySpace.com
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060205/ap_on_re_us/gay_bar_shooting
>
> Attention all concerned parents, the website Myspace.com has
been in the news twice this week as noted in the article above or go
to MSNBC for recent story of 50 sexual predators being caught in one
evening after young girl stalked and killed by cross country
pedofile.
>
> My wife and I advise immediate look at your teenage & preteens
internet activities to insure that they are not engaged in high risk
behavior.
>
> Just a heads up by Tom & Caren Trefts and the Rest of the
Unified Veterans Coalition team.
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:41:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Truth Action Under Attack

We also need to desgn a backup group!

Greg Nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com> wrote: Hey folks,

It seems pretty clear our list is now under near constant barrage.
We going to need increased vigilance from the mods. if we want to
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:47:08 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: My Space Gay Bar Killer - Same Website Used By Cross Country Murder By Sexua

More COINTELPRO ......

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Tom Trefts <tomcat6169@...> wrote:
>
> Teen Killer In Gay Bar Slayings Was On MySpace.com
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060205/ap_on_re_us/gay_bar_shooting
>
> Attention all concerned parents, the website Myspace.com has been
in the news twice this week as noted in the article above or go to
MSNBC for recent story of 50 sexual predators being caught in one
evening after young girl stalked and killed by cross country pedofile.
>
> My wife and I advise immediate look at your teenage & preteens
internet activities to insure that they are not engaged in high risk
behavior.
>
> Just a heads up by Tom & Caren Trefts and the Rest of the Unified
Veterans Coalition team.
>
>
>
> Tom Trefts
> Unified Veterans Coalition
> www.xsorbit27.com/users5/unifiedveteranscoalition/
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:53:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Truth Action Under Attack

We have made a SHITLOAD of headway over the last year and a half and some of em have GOT to be sweatin up there!

Lynn Ertell <lynnertell@comcast.net> wrote:
I agree.

Clearly this group is being heavily bombarded with distractive,
diversionary and off-the-wall postings intended to dilute, debase and
degrade the level of discourse and reporting.

Looks like engineered sabotage to me.

Guess we've made ourseleves a COINTELPRO target.

Must indicate that we are reaching people effectively.
Pat yourselves on the backs folks ...
We're getting downright dangerous..

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@...> wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> It seems pretty clear our list is now under near constant barrage.
> We going to need increased vigilance from the mods. if we want to
> continue.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 04:01:53 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: maybe we can try this another time

Let's see how long it takes to accumulate 10,000....
Nice way to take a poll of our own.
Measure the temperature of the water.
If we get the 10,000 we can move from there...
Then we can take it to Zogby and ask him to do his own, nation-wide.

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Cathy Garger
<savorsuccesslady@...> wrote:
>
>
I believe that this action has not nearly gotten around to the entire
nation, where it truly needs to be.
>
>
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/736718529?ltl=1135908579#body
>
> The individuals behind this are sincere and serious about this
action, and they want all the criminals responsible for 9/11 to be
prosecuted for treason.
>
> There is a huge effort for impeachment underfoot, but this treason
prosecution act with regard to 9/11 is another matter that has to do
with prosecuting actual crimes in a court of law.
>
> Some of us are working on getting more signatures because if ever
there will be a Congress person brave enough to sponsor this
legislation? It will first be necessary to demonstrate a huge
outpouring of public support.
>
> I have sent this around to dozens of groups. Hoping some of you
will do the same, particularly to those on other groups (besides yahoo
groups). It needs to go around the US (make that the world) some more.
>
> The entire world needs to read that these crimes were NOT
committed by any Al Qaeda and this spells out the issue quite nicely.
>
> Thanks to all of you in advance for promoting it as far and wide
as you possibly can.
>
> Cathy
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 04:26:00 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: A nice link at the WEB site of the "unifiedveteranscoalition"

Thanks to "Tom" for this link..

http://xsorbit27.com/users5/unifiedveteranscoalition/index.php?board=275.0

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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 04:30:37 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: A nice link at the WEB site of the "unifiedveteranscoalition"

So is "Tom" really "Rainbowrising", the moderator of the 9/11 site
linked to by the "unifiedveteranscoalition' ?

Wonder how many real vets are in this "coalition" ?
Is it a "coalition of the willing" ?
Or a "coalition of the billing" ?
I hope not a "coalition of the shilling"...

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Thanks to "Tom" for this link..
>
>
>
http://xsorbit27.com/users5/unifiedveteranscoalition/index.php?board=275.0
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 04:21:17 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: Paging "Tom Trefts" ... who claims to be a veteran ?

Hey "Tom Trefts",

Your profile sports a photograph and claims you are a veteran.
Your profile also links to a page full of links to veterans organizations.
Why don't you e-mail this petition to them and ask them please to sign
it ?
It would sure help if we had the signatures of hundreds or even
thousands of vets and their friends and family; to help us arrest and
prosecute the perpetrators of 9/11.

So what do you say "Tom" ?

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/736718529?ltl=1135908579#body

(Everybody should check out the profile and photo that "Tom" has
thoughtfully provided for us ..)

--- In 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com, Tom Trefts <tomcat6169@...> wrote:
>
> Teen Killer In Gay Bar Slayings Was On MySpace.com
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060205/ap_on_re_us/gay_bar_shooting
>
> Attention all concerned parents, the website Myspace.com has been
in the news twice this week as noted in the article above or go to
MSNBC for recent story of 50 sexual predators being caught in one
evening after young girl stalked and killed by cross country pedofile.
>
> My wife and I advise immediate look at your teenage & preteens
internet activities to insure that they are not engaged in high risk
behavior.
>
> Just a heads up by Tom & Caren Trefts and the Rest of the Unified
Veterans Coalition team.
>
>
>
> Tom Trefts
> Unified Veterans Coalition
> www.xsorbit27.com/users5/unifiedveteranscoalition/
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:39:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hello

I'm very flattered by this, Amy, and I'm glad you liked the article, but I have to respectfully decline because I don't deal in conspiracy theories -- only scientific evidence, and documented facts. I also suspect that your film project is just another attempt to discredit the 9-11 Truth Movement.
Instead of making a film about conspiracy theories, why don't you investigate what actually transpired on 9-11, and make a film that might actually be important to saving this nation, rather than one that will undoubtably mock all who question the lies being spewed by our government and the media?

Amy Manchester <amym@pilgrimfilms.tv> wrote:
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Hello,

My name is Amy Manchester and I work for a production company out in Los Angeles. We are developing a show based on investigating modern day conspiracy theories. I enjoyed your article on www.rense.com and wondered if you would be interested in talking some time? I could call you or you could call me, just let me know.

Thank you,

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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:47:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: NY "Indymedia" is a FRAUD!!!!!

Several others in the movement have been attacking NYC Indy for the same reason. They're not as "independent" as they claim to be.

alan random <alanrandom@yahoo.com> wrote: Greg,
I don't understand. What are they censoring? I clicked on the links and both of your announcements are still there. But if they are deleting anything, don't let them get away with it. Contact the owners/moderators and bug the f*** out of them. Also, give us their personal email addys and/or phone #'s so we can give them our 2 cents as well.

Greg Nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com> wrote:
The March For Truth NYC '06 and article on 9/11 were
yanked from this "independent" media site.

This is disgusting!

We live in a Fascist state with a Totalitarian propaganda system.
The voice of truth has been censored. Concentration camps are next!

This is saved from my cache and WAS POSTED AT NYC "IndyMedia":

Think You Know What Happened on 9/11?

Greg Nixon | Do you honestly think a guy on dialysis in cave on the
other side of the world and 19 Arabs could
fly loopty loops in jumbo jets while our trillion dollar defense and
intelligence network was asleep?
Doesn't it make more sense that we needed a manufactured crisis to
change our foreign policy and
have a pretext for endless war? more... 0 Comments

March For Truth N.Y.C. '06

Greg Nixon | The phony 'Left wing" media are de facto Bush regime
supporters since they refuse to talk about the massive
frameup on humanity in the name of the fraudulent "War On Terror".
It is time to confront these 'gatekeepers'
who keep the reality of 9/11 from going mainstream. Come march for
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:01:38 -0800 (PST)
From: janet phelan <jcphelan10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Road Poem

In the middle of the circle
lies your destination. This is not
a riddle. It is a palindrome.
It will take all your breath
and concentration to arrive
exactly where you started from
and you will not be able to remember
the journey, or the reason for the journey.
The road called. You answered.
And that is what you will remember.

The road is treacherous.
Your family
is not your family
your friends
are not your friends.
The world will impede your path.
If necessary, the world
will stutter in its rotation
to impede your path.

"There are just too many people,"
she said, fingering a strand
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the scars from Auschwitz
thin white lines on her neck.
I watched her impale herself
on a cigarette
which was fascinating, really
but the road was calling
and Jewish masochism
just doesn't engage me.

The road is calling.
It is waiting to be traversed.
It is waiting to be released
hacked out from the undergrowth
carved from the careening sides of cliffs
the last unexplored territory
which would be
your life.

No one goes on the road anymore.
First, you have to build the road

and then you must navigate it
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:06:23 -0800
From: "Dick Eastman" <de1949@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Hello

Jolly Roger -- one of the few I always can trust.
----- Original Message -----
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To: Amy Manchester
Cc: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:39 PM
Subject: [911TruthAction] Re: Hello

Amy Manchester <amym@pilgrimfilms.tv> wrote:
Hello,

My name is Amy Manchester and I work for a production company out in Los Angeles. We are developing a show based on investigating modern day conspiracy theories. I enjoyed your article on www.rense.com and wondered if you would be interested in talking some time? I could call you or you could call me, just let me know.

Thank you,

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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:03:50 -0800
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
Subject: RE: Truth Action Under Attack

Ahh, that’s good to hear that we are important enough for the loonies to
want to make the rest of us as blind, ignorant and unthinking as they are.

If you can’t climb the mountain, drag down anyone that tries, appears to be
their motto. Confusion seems to be a warm comfortable place for them.

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To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:55:02 -0800
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
Subject: RE: Critical Mass

Bill has posted that same ending line (ambulance coming to take him away) at
least two other times I have been with him in a group. I can’t tell if it is
sarcasm from you saying he needed help for his depression, or reality.

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[mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Cathy Garger
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 5:32 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] Critical Mass

Benjamin, remember if you will that the ambulance came to take Bill away????

And knowing the normal protocol of treating depression serious enough to be
carted away.... (I used to work as a counselor in a transitional shelter for
the dually-diagnosed), Bill will be away from us (receiving treatment) for
quite some time.

And yes, Benjamin, you are right. We can do this. But not with negativity.
We need every ounce of forward motion we can get.

benjamin pritchard <ben@benjaminpritchard.name> wrote:
Bill Cain wrote:
To Cathy:

Thanks for helping me diagnose my problem. I’ve started taking Prozac and
will be admitting myself for further treatment soon. In fact, I’m expecting
a lift to the hospital shortly.

I stand behind everything I said in a recent response to Benjamin. I’m sorry
to have had to come down on him so hard, as we both allegedly share the same
concerns, but as someone who has taken his lumps in the Truth business over
the years, I don’t appreciate being called silly by anyone who is obviously
! still cutting his teeth.
bill -

so you believe in aliens and world-wide cover ups, but you advocate taking
prozac?

surely somewhat as smart as you would be familiar with the
consciousness-dulling properties of the SSRIs -- and how they are actually
vital ingredients in the trance formation of america.

are you really trying to get us to believe that you endorse the
pharmaceutical restraint of our minds ("prozac") as our best course of
action?

i think the things you say and do on this mailing list are subtly designed
to confuse & obfuscate the 9/11 issue, while at the same time demoralizing
the activists here.

even if i'm wrong, we definitely have diffe! rent ideas...

remember: "if you think you can, or know you can't, you're right."

me: i think we can!

yours in reality-based optimism,
benjamin pritchard

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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:37:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
Subject: 9/11 Truth Starting to Break Through Leftwing Gatekeepers

Alex, I appreciate you keeping us posted on some of these blogs. I am so glad that you go to them and check them out for us and report back to us. You are really good at checking blogs for great new 9/11 subject materials, and I greatly appreciate it.

PS - Blogging is tedious and I try to do it now and then, because it's really important to get folks educated. With Iran and now North Korea with their heads on the chopping blocks? I am more convinced that ever that the Empire will need to stage another attack here in order to justify nuking some more nations.

Thanks so much,

Cathy

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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:02:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Truth Action Under Attack

Sadly, these guys may "play" like they are loonies, but they are also brilliant, creme de la creme, often with Master's degrees in psych. When they write, I can often tell who they are by how good they are and how they employ psych techniques on us.

It is apparent that the consciences of some of them have been totally programmed out of their conscious reality. They have no idea that what they are doing is downright malevolent, and apparently have no real grasp of what is right and what is wrong.

They are apparently able to justify mass murders for the good of the Common Cause of sovereignty and imperialistic rule all the world over.

We need to exchange alternate email addies with at least a couple of people who we know and also phone numbers.

I think we also need to better moderate so that anyone who is purposely sending in things that don't help us do the work of truth activists needs to be canned.

Those who are new to the group and are limited hangout should not be condemned initially, but some of us need to work with them to show them even more truth. As one person pointed out to me, many of us (including yours truly) initially were limited hangout and used to sing Michael Moore's praises. Then we got more education and woke up some more.

We need to do more work in order for 2/20 to be an even bigger success. And while I believe that whether 1 or 1 million people show up, it's still an effective event. I am, however, personally shooting for 2,800 people and taping a number to each one of their backs to represent a victim of the mass murder.

I measure effectiveness in keeping with the goal. The goal initially started out as one person standing up against the left gatekeepers, and if one person does so in NYC on 2/20, the event is successful. If, however, 2,800 attend in order to represent those who actually died on 9/11? That would be ideal.

Each one of us who is not on the payroll need to think what we, individually, have in our power to bring as many people as possible to Ground Zero on 9/11? We each have more contacts and resources for spreading this word than we may even realize. There are the local peace and justice groups (there are usually at least a couple of allies there). There are the local political groups where many progressives know and are into truth.

The key to promoting events and getting large turnouts has to do with reaching as many people as possible on a frequent basis. We can't send out one email and think we've reached everyone. We need to try writing the same info on different days in different forms of presentation, using different angles and posting on different types of venues.

Our adversaries (thanks to the hard work of the originator of the event) will be watching. We must make certain that they are able to report the attendance of many thousands. So rather than write to one another this week? I would like to suggest instead that we try to use every single technique that we can in order to promote 2/20 in NYC wildly.

Cath

Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:

v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Ahh, that’s good to hear that we are important enough for the loonies to want to make the rest of us as blind, ignorant and unthinking as they are.

If you can’t climb the mountain, drag down anyone that tries, appears to be their motto. Confusion seems to be a warm comfortable place for them.

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Hey folks,

It seems pretty clear our list is now under near constant barrage.
We going to need increased vigilance from the mods. if we want to
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:08:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: maybe we can try this another time

Lynn, if I had my way we would get to 10,000 tomorrow. More people need to get on this. Even IF no Congress person would ever work with this (and I do believe that given enough time, one in the House will do so), it is still worthwhile because then it is a media PR piece (in other words, the high number of petition signers will entice writers to write about the fact that a large number of Americans believe that those in power should be tried for treason for 9/11).

I love your idea about Zogby poll.

Lynn Ertell <lynnertell@comcast.net> wrote:

Let's see how long it takes to accumulate 10,000....
Nice way to take a poll of our own.
Measure the temperature of the water.
If we get the 10,000 we can move from there...
Then we can take it to Zogby and ask him to do his own, nation-wide.

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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 04:42:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dear Organizers, I want to be fair to you

Dear Organizers of World Can't Wait,

I attended your event yesterday and first want to say thank you for all of your hard work and effort in putting on yesterday's rally and march in Washington, DC. Admittedly, it was cold and rainy but our spirits were high as we chanted Bush Step Down about four million times.

Although it is now the day after and I nurse aching muscles I did not know I have, a throat that's hoarse from screaming, and I am *still,* all these hours later, chilled to the bone? Yesterday's camaraderie was chicken soup for this activist's soul.

I am certainly of the opinion that Bush and Cheney need to be removed from office due to their numerous crimes against US citizens, as well for their plethora of international crimes committed against humanity. And while these two individuals are merely only the "icing on the cake" with regard to federally committed crimes? The men who are acting as imposters playing the roles of President and Vice President symbolize a great number of US crimes that have been committed in our name with the use of our hard-earned tax dollars.

I am in total agreement that these two individuals must step down - or be removed from power effective immediately.

I am curious, however, about one thing. I have checked your website and can not find a specific list of detailed reasons that explain why, exactly, you believe that the Bush Regime needs to be removed? I don't believe it's enough to simply chant about the removal of the ring leaders of the Empire and just leave it at that. In order to be effective, you need to state why you you are pushing for the removal of the figureheads of US Organized Crime, and do so in comprehensive fashion.

While your ultimate message is good in sentiment and unquestionably on-target? It appears that you have unfortunately failed to list the crimes that the criminal cabal has committed (with apologies if I've missed such a list). Such substantiation, by necessity, needs to include at least two components, namely:

(1) The fact that 9/11 was purposely engineered and orchestrated by the current Regime in power.

(2) Condemnation for US violation of international law with the use of radioactive Depleted Uranium (by definition, a WMD) in Afghanistan and Iraq, under the current Regime's term of illegitimately held power.

I would appreciate your mentioning why you have not named these (and other such heinous crimes committed by this administration) on your website. I should tell you that I am a freelance writer and am interested in writing an article about your group and your goals. And in all fairness to you, I must admit that I find it more than curious that you are not more specific with regard to exactly why you are asking the Regime to step down.

Some would say that this is a "left gatekeeping" effort designed to purposely mislead those who oppose the Bush Regime into going on marches and believing they are doing something effective when, in reality, they are doing nothing of the kind. If this is not true, I would appreciate your input and receive evidence to the contrary. I would like to fairly present your explanation as to why you have not listed the crimes you believe were perpetrated by this administration right on your website, in plain view for all the world to read.

If you would like to grant an interview in order to present your views on this point, I would be more than happy to speak with one of your representatives.

Thank you very much in advance. I truly want to represent your organization in as fair and objective a light as possible.

Regards,

Cathy Garger
Maryland
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 05:11:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
Subject: 9/11 Backlash Comes From Hollywood, Not Government

Bea > wrote: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/030206hollywoodbacklash.htm
9/11 Backlash Comes From Hollywood, Not Government

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | February 3 2006

The 9/11 movement has been lax in not anticipating the direction from which their most vociferous flak will be thrown. It's not government appointed commissions, politicians or Popular Mechanic debunking spreads.

The real counter-backlash is coming from TV movies and big screen blockbusters, serving up a diet of spoon fed propaganda that reinforces the official version of events.
UPI reports,
A television movie about one of the doomed Sept. 11 airplanes was A&E's most-watched program ever, a sign that audiences may be ready for a coming spate of movie and TV projects dramatizing the terrorism of five years ago.

"Flight 93," about the hijacking of the United Airlines plane and passengers' efforts to retake it, drew 5.9 million viewers when it premiered Monday, the cable channel said.

It was the most-watched A&E program since the channel launched in 1984.

Dwindling amounts of people are watching network news and reading newspapers. People who consider themselves informed get most of their news from The Daily Show, which is a mockumentary spoof on the week's events.

The majority of people's views are formed on the basis of popular culture, television and Hollywood. Shallow as it may seem, this is why 9/11 films like Loose Change are so evergreen at the moment. Because they attach the subject of the 9/11 conspiracy to a cultural fad, in this case hip-hop music. This is a beneficial thing because it makes what is normally heavy subject matter easier to digest, especially for younger audiences.

SCENE FROM 'FLIGHT 93' UNIVERSAL STUDIOS
Likewise, whether by intent or proxy, the establishment has pinned its agenda to the upcoming rash of movies that supposedly re-tell the story of Flight 93 and the collapse of the twin towers.
The official 9/11 story has about as much basis in fact as Humpty Dumpty.

And just like Humpty Dumpty, all the king's horses and all the king's men certainly can’t put the official story of 9/11 back together again. It’s a yarn that has already been decimated by the alternative media time and time again.

The fallacy of the orthodox fairytale is why the establishment, through its avenues of propaganda, needs to constantly re-apply band aids to keep people from seeing the awful truth.

Consider the very first made for TV movie about 9/11, called DC 9/11. A film which portrays president Bush on Air Force one on 9/11, exclaiming his frustration in not being able to have a fist fight with Osama bin Laden.

Now contrast that to the actual demeanor of Bush on the day of 9/11, doe eyed, unsure, taking the decision to read an upside down book about a pet goat for half an hour after he’s told about the biggest attack on America since Pearl Harbor.

It's pro-war, pro-government pro official version of 9/11 down to a tee.

And who wrote and produced the film? Lionel Chetwynd, a big establishment neo-con and government apologist, perhaps the most politically connected producer in the world today.

Chetwynd privately met with George Bush, Karl Rove and a bunch of top Republicans to have them vet the script before he shot the film.

This is the same Lionel Chetwynd who jabbed his finger at Alex Jones and barked “we’re going to get you,” in the bathroom before a taping of TNN's Conspiracy Zone show that they both featured on as guests.

So the very first movie about 9/11 is made by a high level Bush administration stooge. And the film wholeheartedly backs up lock step the official version of events.

SCENE FROM 'FLIGHT 93' UNIVERSAL STUDIOS

The imminent box office release, Universal Studio's Flight 93, has been given a substantial advertising pitch before it hits the big screen.

It reinforces the “let’s roll” myth of Flight 93 and pushes aside the fact that experienced pilots on the ground saw that the plane was shot down with their own eyes.

It ignores the fact that we have an 8 mile wide debris field for a plane that we are led to believe was fully intact in the seconds before it hit the ground.

We’ve had contact with credible individuals who have personally talked with the pilots who shot the plane down.

Flight 93 is replete with its cast of hijackers, again sidestepping the difficult fact that several of these hijackers later turned up alive and that they could barely even get puddle jumping cessnas off the ground, never mind execute moves that crack fighter pilots couldn’t pull off, as was the case at the Pentagon.

These movies will have more impact on a viewer than any official statement or Discovery Channel documentary.

The network of 9/11 websites and speaking organizations needs to directly address these movies so as to raise awareness to their purpose and reclaim the sentiment of the droves of viewers that are likely to be hoodwinked by them.

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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 05:19:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric May <captainmay@prodigy.net>
Subject: GT Captain May: Nuclear Super Bowl? (w/ "Target Texas City" 1/31 WMD "game" analysis)

Dear Mr. Connors,

I still believe that the main effort of the Bush Boyz remains Texas City, and would be most surprised if there were any kind of attack at the Super Bowl today. Not that the idea hasn't been worked over in Hollywood, which is the first step in preparing the public psyche, with such movies as "Black Sunday" a couple of decades ago and "Sum of All Fears," which was made more recently.

Still, the effective forestalling of the most recent attempt on Texas City, which Ghost Troop correctly predicted as 1/31/2006, has the NORTHCOM folks, along with all their associated partners in high treason, reeling. The attempt to nuke Texas City Tuesday was so conspicuous that there were nuke teams out on the beach south of Texas City (in Galveston, Texas) the day after the "nuke date" of 1/31, at which we arrived shortly after learning that Ft. Monroe would again try to "simulate" a 10-KT nuclear attack on a US city, using Charleston, S.C. as the "exercise target."

The reason the Department of Defense nuke boyz were out on the Galveston beach the day after our Ghost Troop target date was, according to their own statement, that they were simply going through with the exercise scenario. And that's true! I doubt that many of the US armed forces standing there on Galveston beach knew that the reason the exercise had them down south of Texas City on 2/1 was that on 1/31 the exercise was supposed to "go live," with an actual nuking of Texas City, and that they were supposed to be down in Galveston (setting up measuring equipment) to react to the real deal! As far as they know, they're just part of maneuvers, and had the event we forestalled actually happened, their superiors would have been told to tell them the following:

"Our own intelligence guys -- way up the ladder in DC -- were suspicious that Al-Qaeda might do this sort of thing, and in fact we had hard and fast evidence that they were planning to hit this area. You weren't told because it might have leaked out, so we set up this training exercise just in case. Well, our worst suspicions were confirmed, and Texas City has been destroyed. Let's say a prayer for our country and for President Bush as he wrestles with his great personal loss -- since we all know how much he loves Texas."

...And they would have bought it. This is the way military training exercises go, and this is the way soldiers think. They are taught to trust their superiors and not ask questions about things agreed upon by higher command, as well as to accept any "intelligence" as being deeply secret and not to be critiqued. With 20 years in and out of the Active, Reserve and Guard components, at ranks from private to captain, in positions from reconnaissance squad to general staff, I've found it to be so.

Anyhow, here's the link from the Galveston County Daily News where what I've written above is stated for the public (along, to be sure, with bland assurance from the Homeland Security and FBI public information officers that there's nothing to be alarmed about!): http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=f9c4071e30759dda

I note here to the list that Mr. Kyle Hence, in the CC's, was quite involved in our 7/28/2005 intervention in Texas City as well. That time we were working a target date of 7/27, and were off by a day from a major explosion in the British Petroleum refinery. Mr. Hence supplied us with critical intelligence shortly before our prediction date suggesting how it was that the Bush Boyz were setting up the nuke for the job, and we continue to be grateful for that insight and assistance, though the fact that his name became involved Ghost Troop terrified the poor man! Likewise with his fiend, Dr. Peter Phillips of Project Censored. Still, even if we had to drag them along to get the job done, they were temporary Ghost Troop assets -- and at a most important time!

I've set up a bibliography for those who are interested in examining how it is that Ghost Troop is able to anticipate and sound the alarm when moves are pending against Texas City. As it will show, we have only issued four numeric date predictions -- this one included -- for the Houston metro area, of which Texas City is a part:

3/31/2004 -- preceded by 24 hours on 3/30/2004, when a major British Petroleum, Texas City explosion occurred (which we interpret as an "abort code" for the "real explosion," which will be nuclear.

9/27/2004 -- which resulted in a sabotaged petrochemicals pipeline (and a huge signal plume of fire) at New Caney, Texas (like Texas City, some 30 miles from Houston) on the exact prediction date.

7/27/2005 -- which preceded another unexplained British Petroleum, Texas City explosion, along with a freak series of high-atmospheric explosions visible across the Houston Metro area. The event date, 7/28/2005, was a day after our prediction date.

1/31/2006 -- which we have just finished, and which is the subject of the first part of this email.

Again, all explosions above, along with articles and extracts published BEFORE the dates of the predicted events, are available at the Ghost Troop Bibliography, in our main site: http://www.spiritone.com/~pazuu/pow-mia/GhostTroopCaptMay.htm. It bears noting again that we have only issued four specific date prediction for Houston-area nuclear set-ups. Two of the four have resulted in exact-day incidents that argue strongly for our scenario; the other two have been off by one day from such incidents. The odds against four such predictions being made randomly, or four such incidents occurring randomly, are astronomical.

Best regards,

Captain Eric H. May, MI / PAO, USA
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Mission of Conscience / Patriots in Action

PS: Those wanting to examine our methodology for arriving at the 1/31 prediction date should refer to the four fine articles on Ghost Troop's efforts by Greg Szymanski of the Arctic Beacon (all much circulated online in the last two weeks), or listen in to my latest interviews (both short) w/ Lenny Bloom at Cloak and Dagger, given on 2/2/2006,shortly after the prediction was proven on 1/22/2006, when we were still anticipating a Texas City attempt but hadn't yet figured out an exact prediction date. Both are available near the top of the Cloak and Dagger home page: http://www.cloakanddagger.de/

Dave Connors <wef339@mail.com> wrote:
1.Whose Nuke is Coming? [Now I know why the lines coming fron TJ were enormous]http://christianpartnersforpeace.blogspot.com/2006/02/whose-nuke-is-coming.html
2. If Superbowl Attacked, it Ain't Arabs
http://cytations.blogspot.com/2006/02/if-there-is-superbowl-terror-attack-it.html
3.Superbowl Attack?
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/EmailNews30Jan2006_1.html

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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 05:51:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dear Tomcat - Re: Paging "Tom Trefts" ... who claims to be a veteran ?

Yes, dear Tomcat. If you indeed are earnest, you can do a whole lot of veterans and current soldiers, too, a whole lot of good by helping to remove this Regime from power. As a veteran, you are "one of them" and can speak the language of your fellow ex-soldiers and our current soldiers in a way that we as civilians can not.

The most obvious way that I can think of to do this is by helping promote the prosecution for Treason of our highest political and military leaders for their role in both 9/11 and for the use of radioactive weaponized DU (See Heads Roll at Veteran's Administration - Mushrooming Depleted Uranium (DU) Scandal Blamed) http://www.sfbayview.com/012605/headsroll012605.shtml ON OUR OWN SOLDIERS by our OWN US Military since 1991.

Congress is also complicit in both crimes, by their failure to speak up and out about these heinous crimes (and others).

And also, if you are truly earnest? Your comprehensive list on your website about DU resources, in all honesty, leaves something to be desired... There is only ONE website of which I am aware that goes into the REAL TRUTH about the full effects of the criminal use of DU and it is as follows:

http://www.traprockpeace.org/

Thank you kindly in advance, for sharing the 9/11 Treason Prosecution Act Petition as well as the address for Trap Rock for Peace for DU Resources with other veterans.

If you truly wish to help our soldiers and ex-soldiers? You will help expose the crimes that are being committed not only against "humanity," but against your very own brothers and sisters in arms as well.

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards,

Cathy Garger
Maryland

Lynn Ertell <lynnertell@comcast.net> wrote:

Hey "Tom Trefts",

So what do you say "Tom" ?

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/736718529?ltl=1135908579#body

(Everybody should check out the profile and photo that "Tom" has
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in the news twice this week as noted in the article above or go to
MSNBC for recent story of 50 sexual predators being caught in one
evening after young girl stalked and killed by cross country pedofile.
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> My wife and I advise immediate look at your teenage & preteens
internet activities to insure that they are not engaged in high risk
behavior.
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