I know he's a smart guy. Just that I got the impression he had
professional video/digital imaging experience. So it's great if he
can give a "professional" opinion. It lends more weight to our argument.
I know the whole thing is obvious to us (though it took me a while to
catch on) but it is amazing how many people think the videos are real.
I think it's cool to have someone else on our side, especially
someone who has worked in the business.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> What farking "professional" opinion?
> He's a guy. An intelligent guy who happened to have a video cam and the
> sense to go set it up and record the events around him.
>
> The Jetcrash footage is fake. Fake, fake fake.
> It takes a human with their eyes attached to their brain without
> intervening dogma, not "professional" opinion.
>
> If Learned Scholars decide that it's ok for a "plane" to remain the
same
> size when tracked clear from Brooklyn, it will still be a cartoon,
> whatever their "professional" opinion.
>
> But yes, he's saying it's an obvious fake.
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > I apologize if I am being slow on the uptake here, but is Rick Siegel
> > here giving his professional opinion that the sceond hit footage was
> > faked?
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: Apologies Re: SHOULD 9/11 RESEARCH BE LIMITED?
> >> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:19:26 +0100
> >> From: Rick Siegel <rick@>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you for kind words.
> >>
> >> OK, I see many of the anomalies you are talking about (I think)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1 there are two projectiles that are coming out of the right hand
> >>
> > side of
> >
> >> the video well after the explosion. The timing of which is really
> >>
> > not right
> >
> >> for the speed of the "airplane" on entry to eject such objects. I
> >>
> > guess that
> >
> >> is your "what's it"? It certainly qualifies for that and I would
> >>
> > give it a
> >
> >> "what the hell is that and where is it now?"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The animation is what we in that business would call cheesy and
> >>
> > really badly
> >
> >> done. Some of you may know I spent a year as Director of Online
> >>
> > Interactive
> >
> >> at MTI Image Group the stage and special effects company for Viacom
> >>
> > in NYC.
> >
> >> We did most of Stephen King's films, Judge Dredd, SciFi Channel,
> >>
> > Fox, MTV,
> >
> >> Riki Lake, as well as the famous bubble bath cleaner commercials. We
> >>
> > had
> >
> >> rooms filled with SGI super computers, farms to render full frame
> >>
> > for the
> >
> >> film industry and the artists that did that work. It would be easy
> >>
> > to do
> >
> >> that piece in real-time much less the 7 minute delay the media was
> >>
> > under
> >
> >> that day. That also may explain the sloppy work.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is very cheesy work, much you have seen just in the size of the
> >>
> > object.
> >
> >> The fact that they took little care of the breakup near the building
> >>
> > to keep
> >
> >> the shape shows the artists did not care, or perhaps cared enough to
> >>
> > make
> >
> >> sure it was noticeable.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am in exile here in Europe, and cannot contact old friends in that
> >> industry since it has been so many years. Exactly how it might be
> >>
> > done could
> >
> >> be easily done though these people. Just find some Mac animators
> >>
> > that have
> >
> >> worked on film quality or TV (this is not a film quality job).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I guess I expect all things to be true, showing fake stuff is
just as
> >> important and you taught me a good lesson.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You realize this would probably be a real video altered (look at all
> >>
> > that
> >
> >> pixel breakup). The verification of location of the camera is
> >>
> > essential to
> >
> >> find out which parts are real - specially if you want to engage
in what
> >> those objects leaving the scene on the left were. There are a lot of
> >>
> > video
> >
> >> of "something" flying out the exit hole on that hit, that is the
> >>
> > first one
> >
> >> that shows something that looks like an in tact object of oblong and
> >>
> > rounded
> >
> >> at that. My immediate thought would be escape pod for the perps. But
> >>
> > then I
> >
> >> worked on Judge Dredd.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Did you order the full resolution BetaCam clone from CNN?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Probably a very stupid question. You all know that the $38 a second
> >>
> > offered
> >
> >> for any footage of the event ate up almost every real piece of
footage
> >> available at that time. I never got the planes hitting or saw that
> >>
> > part,
> >
> >> still in the shower. The researchers I work with told me the
stuff that
> >> comes from the networks arrives with missing footage and station ID
> >>
> > tags
> >
> >> over important parts.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Do all of you know that there was a Russian TV station right
across the
> >> river in Jersey City on the water who broadcast the whole thing from
> >>
> > their
> >
> >> studios over the satellites and much of that was what was seen raw
> >>
> > before
> >
> >> the censorship? Clearview I think within 2 months of the event
> >>
> > bought up
> >
> >> their station and archives. I would love to see their stuff. Also,
> >>
> > channel 3
> >
> >> news in NJ was with me at the Frank Sinatra pier with a full
> >>
> > professional
> >
> >> Betacam camera with sound engineers and sat truck to film the WT7
> >>
> > and that
> >
> >> footage is still not found.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have several minutes of night shots of the glow that night of Sept
> >>
> > 11,
> >
> >> 2001 that I never showed. It is interesting, but I don't think it
> >>
> > has value
> >
> >> so never released it. Also have some minutes of the next day. It was
> >>
> > just
> >
> >> burning and smoking. Months of it. So depressing it had me leave a
> >>
> > place I
> >
> >> really loved. NY was a great city for creativity.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> My question is if you are trying to prove this is a fake, it is most
> >> probable. Do you need some special effects experts to qualify
that? The
> >> other object of course would come into question then too. That
> >>
> > object alone
> >
> >> gives reason to think it is real footage that is altered vs. a still
> >>
> > with an
> >
> >> animated plane over it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So much needed, location of camera, real beta footage, and a super
> >>
> > computer
> >
> >> to look at the frames. Then, what do we have for this value return?
> >>
> > Showing
> >
> >> CNN altered footage? Is more proof needed that the media in the US
> >>
> > is a tool
> >
> >> of the "powers"?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But as you say, each stone is another. Or each nail another one in
> >>
> > their
> >
> >> coffin that may this time keep them inside it!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I apologize again, the wife wants some quality time and I shall
return.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/bluebeam/newjetcrash.swf
> >>> is a segment of one of the second hit cartoons.
> >>> http://thewebfairy.com/whatzit/jetcrash
> >>> was my first exploration of this footage.
> >>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/inside911/jetcrash.htm
> >>> is a larger version.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> An even longer version of the JetCrash Cartoon is at
> >>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/singleshot.avi
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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