Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 393

Thursday, February 23, 2006

[911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 393

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: What exactly Should Scholars For 9/11 Truth Be Doing Before The Cameras?
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
2. Re: OT: An evil thought
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
3. Jimmy Walter with Rodriguez in Venezuela...
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
4. Re: Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
5. Who was the engineer who was so right?
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
6. Nico's critical analysis of Scholars for 9/11 Truth
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
7. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
8. Re: Nico's critical analysis of Scholars for 9/11 Truth
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
9. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
10. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
11. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
12. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
13. Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
14. Re: Exchange with Victoria Ashley.......w: [911truthalliance] www.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.com
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
15. Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
16. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
17. GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/Fl
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
18. Banned at hannity.com
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
19. Re: Banned at hannity.com
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
20. Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
21. Re: Banned at hannity.com (Clarificaiton)
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
22. Re: Exchange with Victoria Ashley.......w: [911truthalliance] www.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
23. Re: Banned at hannity.com (Clarificaiton)
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
24. Doug Thompson - I don't trust anything he reports.....
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
25. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:01:20 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: What exactly Should Scholars For 9/11 Truth Be Doing Before The Cameras?

excellent thoughts. I am a assoc. professor at my local university--
last night I decided I wanted to "come out of the closet" and give
some sort of lecture/presentation on 9/11. what you say here fits my
thoughts very well. the only problem is I am a biologist not an
engineer, but by now I think I could give a fairly scientific talk
even on the wtc.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Ed Barner
<edwinatlcom.net@...> wrote:
>
> I hope to see a lot of input on this question.
> Here are a few thoughts.
>
> The media wants to be seen as spectators not teachers.
> I think they'd want to report on a spectacle of some kind.
>
> I like the idea of having S9/11T in front of college crowds if
possible,
> architectural or engineering connections are obviously best. although
> they know more what venues they might be comfortable in.
>
> The cover up is one main weakness of the conspirators.
>
> I have asked that people with non disclosure agreements break them
> based on the following.
>
> " If Dad, kills Mom and blames the bogyman,
> Don't help Dad hide his crime.
>
> Rat Dad off.
>
> Get a new dad who doesn't kill family members."
>
>
> Do the math.
> 9/11 + cover up = treason.
>
> Specific people aided the cover up. They can be pointed out for
> questioning about their actions in destroying evidence and suppressing
> witness accounts
> The cover up can be traced to the perps.
> No one does a cover up of a crime they are not connected to.
> "If 9/11 was done by arabs, why was there a cover up of forensic,
> eyewitness and photographic evidence and who was in a position to have
> done it? "
>
> Bob Graham and Porter Goss were doing _What_ when the first plane hit
> the north tower?
>
> The falseness of the war on terra is becoming apparent to the average
> man on the street.
> The war on 'terra ' is based on 9/11
> It follows that a false flag event would not have a real emergency
> reaction from a concerned government.
> They have made no appropriate reaction because they know of the
> falseness of the 'emergency' and appropriateness now just consists of
> cashing in, which is what they have done.
>
> Strong points that I have not seen made elsewhere,
> The lack of layering in the buildings debris pile is a smoking gun
> because the materials were thoroughly mixed and did not stratify as
> would be appropriate for an unaided collapse. the lack of layering
> means explosives were used.
> The presence on the 78th floor of the south tower of Battalion Chief
> Orio J. Palmer and Fire Marshal Ronald P.* *Bucca, make blast furnace
> temperatures there, impossible.
>
> Just my comments .
> I hope thery are lost in a sea if great suggestions.
>
> Here's a parting thought.
> What if bush lost our ports because of blackmail ?
>
>
>
>
> inphoman911 wrote:
>
> > Where do you want them to go, and what do you want them to say. Be
> > breif but specific.
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:12:20 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OT: An evil thought

Excellent idea. Last time the dems called me and asked for money I
said no because of 9/11. But the rethugs need to hear this too.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "malaprop" <malaprop2@...> wrote:
>
> [I got nothing from the group in almost two days, then about 40 came
this afternoon......but I am passing on this little OT tidbit.]
>
> Just got a call from the dems in my state, would I like to make a
contribution, etc..... I explained I would never contribute again,
and the only political interest I have now is getting everyone in
office impeached, regardless of their party.
>
> The young man was polite, and so was I but after hanging up, I
started thinking of possible benefits of changing my voter
registration from Dem to Ind., instead to GOP. The calls I would be
getting would be from the braindead supporters of very people who are
bent on destroying all, regardless of party. I may need to do
this---the callers are forced to be polite, but I am not under that
restriction.......
>

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:36:52 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Jimmy Walter with Rodriguez in Venezuela...

...both William Rodriguez and Jimmy Walter are in Venezuela to visit Chavez
and talk about 9/11.
Dunno, if they will protest outside his office, if he doesn't let them in :)
They told me this week seperately...

Somehow i like this 'nutcase attitude', but i doubt Chavez is on any side
and already hooked up with Russian globalists.

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:35:13 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof

Neither of what you show are what you can call long distances and the south west approach you show is based on the other version [with the last minute left turn but since it goes behind the north tower we don't know how that one hit. The longest flight is the Brooklyn shot. Why not include this one?

Loose Change says there was a south east approach.
----- Original Message -----
From: alexldent
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:44 AM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof

Thanks. What we need are videos that show the plane flying for some
distance, not just a few hundred feet.

There are some videos that I haven't looked at yet; this analysis is
still in progress. But the important point is that these two I found
CLEARLY shows different paths and this is something I hope we could
show to everyone and convince them something is really funny here.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...> wrote:
>
> Excellent work. The Brooklyn shot is another path, I believe. This
one is straight and if so would be without a last minute turn to the
left. The "pod shot" could be the ending to this straight path. One
witness also said it circled and came in from the Statue of Liberty.
Can you add anything new to your graphics based on the aforementioned?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alexldent
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:28 PM
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] At least one of these videos is
"fake"-- I think this is solid proof
>
>
> Second hit approach path analysis:
>
>
http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/at-least-one-of-these-videos-must-be.html

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:39:10 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Who was the engineer who was so right?

A [so far] un-named engineer from the Department of Buildings reported that the structural damage appeared to be emmence. The stability of both buildings were compromised. In particular the engineer was worried about how long the north tower would stand.

This came at a time when delegates had reached WTC7, to the command bunker but were congretated in the lobby for fear of a third plane.[This will give an idea of the time line]

This concern was relayed to John Peruggia, the fire department's delegate. Peruggia summoned an emergency medical technician , Rich Zarillo [an aide] he was to go to the command post on West Street, across from the north tower. He was then only to see Chief of Department Peter Ganci and to tell him the information. Peruggia had no other means of making contact other than by messenger.

Rich Zarillo in fact told Chief Ganci's aide, Fire Marshall Steve Mosiello which was then passed on to his chief.

Ganci looked stunned and said "Who would tell you something like that". He knew from experience that skyscrapers do not collapse from less than an hour of fire.

Mosiello turned to the messenger. "Richie, come over here and tell the chief what you just told me" he said.

At that moment, at the command center on West Street, Chief Ganci had just finished hearing the message from Rich Zarillo and a gathering rumble filled the air. "What the fuck is that" Ganci asked.

A glance at the south tower, its top dissolving into smoke answered his question.

[adapted from the book "102 Minutes"]

To be continued if anything else emerges from the book in this regard.

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:49:46 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: Nico's critical analysis of Scholars for 9/11 Truth

F.Y.I.

Nico's piece Was still posted at Portland INDYMEDIA as of midnight
yesterday.

Today it is gone.

It has apparently been scrubbed by the censors at Portland INDYMEDIA.

The article must have hit a sensitive target.
Gatekeepers seem jumpy.
Did Fetzer get over there and have them remove it ?

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:03:35 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

(sigh)
Once again...I'll try to take this slow...
THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ***IS PERPS*****

They were the ones airing phoney footage while laying out an agenda of
blame and murder.
Main stream media is owned by defense contractors and the documented
infiltration by CIA and allied spookers goes back at least 50 years.

Is this why people perfer NASA/NSA brand half truth, cos it perserves
the thought of an honest media who will restore justice if we can only
"reach" them???

This is what makes the No DAMM PLANE research so important for it's own
sake.
It points the finger at Mainstream Media and it's allied PR Firms as THE
ONES WHO ARE SETTING US UP.

Mainstream media can be pushed to improve it's level of protective
coloration as fair and crusading.

But to believe that the mainstream media can be "reached" is Lemming
Leap fools game.

One Example: Oprah had the author of a Million Little Pieces on her show
to castigate him for lying.
Then, for the next two days, Oprah has Government Bird Flu liars and
Government Terror is Inevitable liars telling bigger lies and more
important lies and more transparent lies than some poor druggie author
could ever think up.

Your demonstration seems to have sparked the Village Voice article that
is the first time a fairly mainstream media outlet has ever mentioned
that some people don't think they even used planes.

Congratulations!!! You made the first crack in the wall of silence.

Don't demean this magnificent feat by recommending we stick to pandering
liars and thieves in the future.

greg nixon wrote:
> I agree Malaprop.
>
>
> The thing I have no doubt about after 2/20 is the grassroots approach
> is hopless.
> That model worked in the 70's perhaps. Why send the truth down the
> rabbit hole, why say don't bother with the MSM, they are all corrupt
> blah blah blah, We don't have 30 years to replace MSM. We need
> aggressive tactics to get this on MSM, however possible, or it's over
> PERIOD.
>
>
>
>
>
> */malaprop <malaprop2@msn.com>/* wrote:
>
> But wasn't this demonstration targeting the offenders, rather than
> the
> public at large? That's the way I took it from the very beginning.
> And as long as the offenders got a pie in the face, then the
> demonstration was a success. This wasn't really a educational msg,
> but for insiders.
>
> You can bet Gouliani got the word, and you know Amy Goodman got the
> message. And that every time these supporters/perps of 9/11 come off
> with their double-talk, in the back of their mind, they will know
> there are unseen people saying "B__ ___!" That's unnerving.
>
> And I'm sure the march was an embarrassment to them, which it should
> be. Maybe everytime they make a bs statement to the public, instead
> of emailing them our opinion, someone with a poster outside their
> bldg. would provide suitable reminder of our presence.
>
> If it was directed to the public as a wakeup call, it was a failure.
> If it was directed to the NATION, Goodwin, NYT,
> Guiliani, etc..., it was a success.
>

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:09:05 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Nico's critical analysis of Scholars for 9/11 Truth

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Nico's critical analysis of Scholars for 9/11
> Truth
> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:49:46 -0000
>

...hm, that would be the first time i am aware of censoring over there.
At least from my own articles. I will check, if some of the professors is
connected with portland.

I read your reply yesterday as "saigirl". That was nice, thx :)

I had 5-6 very positive and constructive responses from the scholars
of st911. Also, after all i finished an emotional debate with Fetzer in a
kind of peace agreement 2 days ago....

If it's gone, i will repost at bellaciao.

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:19:25 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:03:35 -0600
>

I kinda second Rosalee's opinion.
Provoking mainstream media is one thing, but using it as THE
only effective strategy isn't it at all.

I'm checking MSM now since 3 days. Noone picked up Greg Nixon's protest up
yet. I also was on the CBS netherland site (if that was the correct
affiliate). Zero.

Maxim and Village Voice shows that the 9/11 truth movement IS already
mainstream yet, but the "outrage" (incl. against gatekeepers) isn't.

This was possibly the last opportunity to turn the wheels around.
March could be the most critical month for the next phase of the "long war".

Greg did the best he can. I think from now on it's only praying.
I'm not saying, there is not enough hope anymore, but i believe, we came
too late.

As a therapy, luxury or whatever, but i will personally continue put my
energy into debunking reality tv from sep11th, while at the same time
analysing the ww4/5 situation....

I still believe, this is most important, because the next phase will include
even more fakery on TV.

>>>(sigh)
Once again...I'll try to take this slow...
THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ***IS PERPS*****

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:37:09 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

Nico Haupt wrote:
>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:03:35 -0600
>>
>>
>
>
> I kinda second Rosalee's opinion.
> Provoking mainstream media is one thing, but using it as THE
> only effective strategy isn't it at all.
>
> I'm checking MSM now since 3 days. Noone picked up Greg Nixon's protest up
> yet. I also was on the CBS netherland site (if that was the correct
> affiliate). Zero.
>
> Maxim and Village Voice shows that the 9/11 truth movement IS already
> mainstream yet, but the "outrage" (incl. against gatekeepers) isn't.
>
> This was possibly the last opportunity to turn the wheels around.
> March could be the most critical month for the next phase of the "long war".
>
> Greg did the best he can. I think from now on it's only praying.
> I'm not saying, there is not enough hope anymore, but i believe, we came
> too late.
>
> As a therapy, luxury or whatever, but i will personally continue put my
> energy into debunking reality tv from sep11th, while at the same time
> analysing the ww4/5 situation....
>
> I still believe, this is most important, because the next phase will include
> even more fakery on TV.
>
>
>>>> (sigh)
>>>>
> Once again...I'll try to take this slow...
> THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ***IS PERPS*****
>
> They were the ones airing phoney footage while laying out an agenda of
> blame and murder.
> Main stream media is owned by defense contractors and the documented
> infiltration by CIA and allied spookers goes back at least 50 years.
> <<<
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> (sigh)
> Once again...I'll try to take this slow...
> THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ***IS PERPS*****
>
> They were the ones airing phoney footage while laying out an agenda of
> blame and murder.
> Main stream media is owned by defense contractors and the documented
> infiltration by CIA and allied spookers goes back at least 50 years.
>
> Is this why people perfer NASA/NSA brand half truth, cos it perserves
> the thought of an honest media who will restore justice if we can only
> "reach" them???
>
> This is what makes the No DAMM PLANE research so important for it's own
> sake.
> It points the finger at Mainstream Media and it's allied PR Firms as THE
> ONES WHO ARE SETTING US UP.
>
>
> Mainstream media can be pushed to improve it's level of protective
> coloration as fair and crusading.
>
> But to believe that the mainstream media can be "reached" is Lemming
> Leap fools game.
>
> One Example: Oprah had the author of a Million Little Pieces on her show
> to castigate him for lying.
> Then, for the next two days, Oprah has Government Bird Flu liars and
> Government Terror is Inevitable liars telling bigger lies and more
> important lies and more transparent lies than some poor druggie author
> could ever think up.
>
>
> Your demonstration seems to have sparked the Village Voice article that
> is the first time a fairly mainstream media outlet has ever mentioned
> that some people don't think they even used planes.
>
> Congratulations!!! You made the first crack in the wall of silence.
>
> Don't demean this magnificent feat by recommending we stick to pandering
> liars and thieves in the future.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> greg nixon wrote:
> > I agree Malaprop.
> >
> >
> > The thing I have no doubt about after 2/20 is the grassroots approach
> > is hopless.
> > That model worked in the 70's perhaps. Why send the truth down the
> > rabbit hole, why say don't bother with the MSM, they are all corrupt
> > blah blah blah, We don't have 30 years to replace MSM. We need
> > aggressive tactics to get this on MSM, however possible, or it's over
> > PERIOD.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > */malaprop <malaprop2@msn.com>/* wrote:
> >
> > But wasn't this demonstration targeting the offenders, rather than
> > the
> > public at large? That's the way I took it from the very beginning.
> > And as long as the offenders got a pie in the face, then the
> > demonstration was a success. This wasn't really a educational msg,
> > but for insiders.
> >
> > You can bet Gouliani got the word, and you know Amy Goodman got the
> > message. And that every time these supporters/perps of 9/11
> come off
> > with their double-talk, in the back of their mind, they will know
> > there are unseen people saying "B__ ___!" That's unnerving.
> >
> > And I'm sure the march was an embarrassment to them, which it should
> > be. Maybe everytime they make a bs statement to the public, instead
> > of emailing them our opinion, someone with a poster outside their
> > bldg. would provide suitable reminder of our presence.
> >
> > If it was directed to the public as a wakeup call, it was a failure.
> > If it was directed to the NATION, Goodwin, NYT,
> > Guiliani, etc..., it was a success.
> >
>

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:59:12 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

ahem.
We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's nothing
left to do but pray, and we're too late and too small?

Heh.
Four years ago I figured there was nothing to do but pray cos we were
too late and all there was was me - alone - having noticed there was no
plane at the first hit -- my first real clue how to dump the whole frameup.

Talk about asymmetrical odds!!

It is four years and some later, and I am still alive, a fact that
amazes me all by itself.
We've managed to drive the lemmings back from the cliff numerous times
while we work out how to release them from their lemming spell.

Now we are looking forward to a national tour
http://911bluestour.com/
To boogie our way to freedom.

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:08:28 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

Maybe i just needed a refreshing pusher.
I will not give up yet :)
There is also still enough space to give the perps a hard time...

Let's work on the 'prank' soon. I have now my tv team together.

>>>ahem.
We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's nothing
left to do but pray, and we're too late and too small?

Talk about asymmetrical odds!!

Now we are looking forward to a national tour
http://911bluestour.com/
To boogie our way to freedom.<<

--
Telefonieren Sie schon oder sparen Sie noch?
NEU: GMX Phone_Flat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/telefonie

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:58:01 +0200
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
Subject: Re: 2/20 NYC

Cathy Garger wrote:

> But again, as I see it, yesterday was a success not just because of
> the Netherlands film crew,

Did anyone catch any contact info for this Dutch crew? I'd like to
speak with them, and they're in my neighborhood.

Thanks,

Roy McCoy
Rotterdam, NL

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:43:07 +0200
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
Subject: Re: Exchange with Victoria Ashley.......w: [911truthalliance] www.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.com

malaprop wrote:

> f.y.i. (top-posted exchange)

I don't know what a top-posted exchange is, but thanks anyway.
What I found most interesting in Ashley's messages was that while
she was, via the material she was citing, insinuating that articles
by Szymanski are "designed to intimidate would-be whistleblowers who
are afraid of being harassed by the government for their work," she
herself repeats the intimidating accounts concerned and is thus,
despite her indicating that she doesn't necessarily believe them,
essentially fulfilling the same function she attributes to Szymanski.

On the "Bloggers in Amsterdam" thing I wrote about last week,
I think I finally figured out what it might have been about.
The blogers who came over didn't generally seem suspicious, at
least the ones who were at the Democrats Abroad event I went to -
but I realized that it might have been just to make a more effective
network out of them, putting them in touch personally with each other,
etc. Then, as this view would have it, any (dis)info dropped in the
right place might be counted on to be disseminated more rapidly and
thoroughly. I'm not at all sure that this was the idea, but it at
least seemed plausible.

I'll be turning off receiving mail from this list again soon.
It's interesting (that's the problem), but the messages keep piling
up and, you know. I'll probably be dropping back in from time to time,
and anyone is welcome to contact me privately if they want.

Roy McCoy
Rotterdam, NL

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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:29:02 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 2/20 NYC

A couple of thoughts:

1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be able to get some
decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.

2) a couple of years ago, there was hardly any talk of the WTC being blown
up. Now demolition is all over the place and fairly widely accepted by 9/11
skeptics. I predict in another year or two, video manipulation will just as
widely accepted-- if we work at it. The important thing, the video fakery is so
damn obvous once you know where to look.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
> > Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:59:12 -0600
> >
>
>
> Maybe i just needed a refreshing pusher.
> I will not give up yet :)
> There is also still enough space to give the perps a hard time...
>
> Let's work on the 'prank' soon. I have now my tv team together.
>
>
> >>>ahem.
> We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's nothing
> left to do but pray, and we're too late and too small?
>
> Heh.
> Four years ago I figured there was nothing to do but pray cos we were
> too late and all there was was me - alone - having noticed there was no
> plane at the first hit -- my first real clue how to dump the whole frameup.
>
> Talk about asymmetrical odds!!
>
> It is four years and some later, and I am still alive, a fact that
> amazes me all by itself.
> We've managed to drive the lemmings back from the cliff numerous times
> while we work out how to release them from their lemming spell.
>
> Now we are looking forward to a national tour
> http://911bluestour.com/
> To boogie our way to freedom.<<
>
> --
> Telefonieren Sie schon oder sparen Sie noch?
> NEU: GMX Phone_Flat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/telefonie
>

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:31:17 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

neither one of you clicked my link.

alexldent wrote:
> A couple of thoughts:
>
> 1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be able to get some
> decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.
>
> 2) a couple of years ago, there was hardly any talk of the WTC being blown
> up. Now demolition is all over the place and fairly widely accepted by 9/11
> skeptics. I predict in another year or two, video manipulation will just as
> widely accepted-- if we work at it. The important thing, the video fakery is so
> damn obvous once you know where to look.
>
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
> wrote:
>
>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>>> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
>>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:59:12 -0600
>>>
>>>
>> Maybe i just needed a refreshing pusher.
>> I will not give up yet :)
>> There is also still enough space to give the perps a hard time...
>>
>> Let's work on the 'prank' soon. I have now my tv team together.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> ahem.
>>>>>
>> We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's nothing
>> left to do but pray, and we're too late and too small?
>>
>> Heh.
>> Four years ago I figured there was nothing to do but pray cos we were
>> too late and all there was was me - alone - having noticed there was no
>> plane at the first hit -- my first real clue how to dump the whole frameup.
>>
>> Talk about asymmetrical odds!!
>>
>> It is four years and some later, and I am still alive, a fact that
>> amazes me all by itself.
>> We've managed to drive the lemmings back from the cliff numerous times
>> while we work out how to release them from their lemming spell.
>>
>> Now we are looking forward to a national tour
>> http://911bluestour.com/
>> To boogie our way to freedom.<<
>>
>>

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:47:34 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/Fl

The original article:
http://www1.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/2004/03/25/atta__freundin/atta__freundin.html

My comments in German: http://www.grolo.de/index.php?id=3,93,0,0,1,0

Able Danger - Hearings seem to take effect:

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Venice – Sein Gesicht ist die Todesfratze des 11. September 2001, des
Anschlags auf das New Yorker World Trade Center (2996 Tote). Mohammed
Atta, Anführer der Terrorpiloten!

Venice - His face is the grimace of death of 9/11 2001, the attack on
the WTC in New York (2996 death). Mohammed Atta, Leader of the Terror
Pilots.

Der US-Journalist Daniel Hopsicker zeichnet die letzten Lebensmonate
des Attentäters nach. Er fand die letzte Freundin von Atta: eine
gewisse Amanda Keller (24).

US-Journalist Daniel Hopsicker recorded the last months of the
attackers life. He has found Attas last girlfriend, Amanda Keller (24)
[a free translation]

In seinem Buch „Welcome to Terrorland"* packt die Frau aus. Die
Geschichte, deren Wahrheitsgehalt schwer nachprüfbar ist, beginnt so:

She 'blows the whistle' in his book "Welcome to Terrorland" [The term
'auspacken' means to unpack .... I looked up the translation and it
says 'to blow the whistle' ... you can also replace it by 'testify'].
The story, which is hardly verifyable, starts like that:

Im Februar 2001 lernte die Amerikanerin Atta kennen. Sie arbeitete bei
„Papa John's Pizza" in Venice (US-Staat Florida).

The american woman meets atta in Feb. 2001 . She works at 'Papa John's
Pizza' in venice/florida.

„Wissen Sie, wie schön Sie sind?", schmeichelte ihr Atta über den
Tresen. Erst blaffte Amanda ihn an. Aber er kam jeden Tag wieder,
bestellte „Pizza mit allem", flirtete seine „Teigfee" an, bewunderte
ihre „natürliche Schönheit". Nicht lange, dann ging Atta mit Amanda,
zog zu ihr.

"Do you know how beautyful you are ?", Atta smoozed to her cross the
bar. Firt Amanda's yapping [did not find a term for 'blaffen' ... I
admit I don't know this word ... it's German Slang] at him. But he
returned daily, ordered a 'Pizza with everything', was flirting with
his "Pastry-Fay", admires her natural beauty. It didn't take very
long, then they were a couple, she relocated to his flat [free
translation .... the original german text is TERRIBLE].

Es begannen wilde Monate voller Sex, Drogen, Alkohol – und Gewalt.

Wild months filled with sex, drugs and alcohol - and violence - started.

Atta trug lässige Yuppie-Kleidung, war Spaßtrinker, von Frauen in
Szenebars belagert, warf mit Geld und Lokalrunden nur so um sich.

Atta was wearing easy going Yuppie-clothing, was fun-drinking, was
occupied (??) by women in scene-bars, and threw around money and
'paying drings for the whole club'[free translation for 'Lokalrunden']

Für Atta, den Schläfer, der Flugstunden nahm, wurde die sexy Amanda
wohl mehr als nur schrilles Accessoire seiner Tarnung. Hatte sich der
Mann, der schon sein Todesdatum kannte, etwa verliebt?

For Atta, the sleeper, who took flight hours, Amanda obviously turned
out to be something more than a flashy accessoire of his camouflage.
Did the guy, who already knew the date of his death, fall in love ?

Mit Amanda zog Atta in Key West drei Tage durch die Kneipen, ohne eine
Sekunde Schlaf. Er zahlte alles, schnupfte Kokain mit gerollten
Dollarnoten, steckte Stripperinnen 20-Dollar-Scheine in die Tanga-Slips.

Atta and amanda went through the bars in Key west for 3 days, without
sleeping a second. He payed everything, sniffed cocaine with rolled
dollar bills and put $20 bills into the thongs of strippers.

„Er nannte mich die ganze Zeit Heidin", erinnert sich Amanda.

"He always called me 'his pegan'", Amanda remembers.

Sex mit Atta? Da kichert die junge Frau, bewegt den ausgestreckten
kleinen Finger deutlich schlängelnd – ihr Zeichen für eine
unterdurchschnittliche männliche Ausstattung.

Sex with Atta ? She snikkers, moves her stretched little curling
finger - her sign for a below-average male equippment.[German polite
term for a little dick]

„Er hatte keine Leidenschaft. Seine leidenschaftlichsten Augenblicke
hatte er, wenn er im Schlaf meine Füße traktierte. Sex mit ihm war
schrecklich."

"He did not have passion. His most passionate moments were when he
mauled my feet while sleeping. Sex with him was horrible"

Attas Zorn erlebte Amanda, als sie genug von ihm hatte, sie ihm auf
ziemlich demütigende Art den Laufpass gab. Vor seinen Augen tanzte sie
mit ihrem Neuen „Dirty Dancing", knutschte auf der Tanzfläche. Die
Nacht im gemeinsamen Apartment verbrachte Atta auf der
Wohnzimmercouch. Nebenan trieben es Amanda und ihr Lover im Schlafzimmer.

Amanda experienced atta's anger, when she had enough of him, as she
broke up on a real abassing kind. She was dancing 'Dirty Dancing' with
her new Guy in front of his eyes, kissed him (the new one) on the
dance floor.Atta slept on the living room couche of their common
appartment that night. Amanda and her new lover were **** [did not
find a translation for 'es mit jemandem treiben' ... it's a synonyme
for having sex ] in the sleeping room.

Als Amanda ihn vor die Tür setzte, drohte Atta: „Das wird dir noch
Leid tun."

As Amanda threw im out, Atta htreathened her : "You will feel sorry
for that"

Eine Woche später passierte es. Amanda kam nach Hause. Anders als
sonst schnurrte keines ihrer sechs Kätzchen an der Tür, als sie
aufschloss. Sie drehte das Licht an. „Überall waren tote Kätzchen. Die
Katzenmutter lag aufgeschlitzt auf meinem Küchentisch... Es war
scheußlich."

One week later, as Amanda came home, none of her six kitten were
purring at the door as usual. Dead kitten were everywhere, the
cat-mother was lying slashed on the kitchen table ... it was horrible"

Mit einer Blutorgie hatte sich Atta aus Amandas Leben verabschiedet –
bis sie nach dem 11. September sein Foto in der Zeitung sah.

With his orgie of blood, atta disappeared from Amanda's life, until
she saw his photo in the newspaper after 9/11.

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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:50:05 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Banned at hannity.com

I managed to get myself banned at hannity.com today.

I was posting my favorite blurb:

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Listen Up!

The truth about 9/11 is something none of you, lib or conservative seem to
comprehend.

No Arab Terrorist had anything to do with 9/11 except as Patsies. The
official story of 9/11 is a huge lie. The idea that there were hijacked
planes is part of the myth / psyop. I know this may sound crazy. If any of
you have paid attention, you know that the 9/11 Commission was a cover up
commission.

Get Webster Tarpley's book: 9/11 Synthetic Terror, Made in the USA. Just
look it up on Amazon. It's tells almost the whole true story.

Bil Giltner

[URL="http://bgtruth.blogspot.com"]http://bgtruth.blogspot.com[/URL]

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I posted replies in about 10 places. What does this this group. Keep doing
this? Use a different blurb?

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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:56:13 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Banned at hannity.com

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner"
<bill.giltner@...> wrote:
>
> I managed to get myself banned at hannity.com today.
>
> I was posting my favorite blurb:
>
>
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>
> Listen Up!
>
> The truth about 9/11 is something none of you, lib or conservative
seem to
> comprehend.
>
> No Arab Terrorist had anything to do with 9/11 except as Patsies. The
> official story of 9/11 is a huge lie. The idea that there were hijacked
> planes is part of the myth / psyop. I know this may sound crazy. If
any of
> you have paid attention, you know that the 9/11 Commission was a
cover up
> commission.
>
> Get Webster Tarpley's book: 9/11 Synthetic Terror, Made in the USA. Just
> look it up on Amazon. It's tells almost the whole true story.
>
> Bil Giltner
>
> [URL="http://bgtruth.blogspot.com"]http://bgtruth.blogspot.com[/URL]
>

Surprised ?

I was called a Nazi ('cos I'm German) for saying that on voice chats
.... you can say things like that a bit more diplomatic :)

Then they will listen a bit longer.

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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:01:32 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "grolode" <grolode@...>
> The original article:
>
http://www1.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/2004/03/25/atta__freundin/atta__freundin.html
>
> My comments in German: http://www.grolo.de/index.php?id=3,93,0,0,1,0

Maybe nico can translate this (if interested) .... he's a bit more in
practice than me !
I didn't have english conversation for a long time.

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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:05:35 -0000
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Banned at hannity.com (Clarificaiton)

I appreciate the feedback. However I can't see myself softening the
message.

My original post from Monday (which was in it's current form) didn't
hurt me.

It was only when I post this comment in 10 places in the disucssing
in the span of about 10 minutes that they tossed me.

I wanted to test the limits of the forum, because it surprised me
that they left my original comment up as long as I did.

I think creating any small stir that can be created is good.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "grolode" <grolode@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner"
> <bill.giltner@> wrote:
> >
> > I managed to get myself banned at hannity.com today.
> >
> > I was posting my favorite blurb:
> >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Listen Up!
> >
> > The truth about 9/11 is something none of you, lib or
conservative
> seem to
> > comprehend.
> >
> > No Arab Terrorist had anything to do with 9/11 except as
Patsies. The
> > official story of 9/11 is a huge lie. The idea that there were
hijacked
> > planes is part of the myth / psyop. I know this may sound crazy.
If
> any of
> > you have paid attention, you know that the 9/11 Commission was a
> cover up
> > commission.
> >
> > Get Webster Tarpley's book: 9/11 Synthetic Terror, Made in the
USA. Just
> > look it up on Amazon. It's tells almost the whole true story.
> >
> > Bil Giltner
> >
> > [URL="http://bgtruth.blogspot.com"]http://bgtruth.blogspot.com
[/URL]
> >
>
>
> Surprised ?
>
> I was called a Nazi ('cos I'm German) for saying that on voice
chats
> .... you can say things like that a bit more diplomatic :)
>
> Then they will listen a bit longer.
>

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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:09:13 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Exchange with Victoria Ashley.......w: [911truthalliance] www.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.

When you closely examine sites like
http://911review.com (Jim Hoffman, Victoria Ashley and company)
ask yourself:
What is the underlying SUB-TEXTUAL agenda...,
and WHO is the INTENDED target audience ?

Sites like Hoffman's make no bones about the controlled demolition of
the Towers and WTC7.
Yet they go to prodigious lengths to discredit the work of
people like Morgan Reynolds, BECAUSE, Reynolds openly scoffs at the
notion that real planes were used in the "attacks".
To the novice, such nuanced distinctions seem secondary and not
essential to the core MIHOP explanation of 9/11.

But the psychology used by Hoffman and associates is very subtle, very
manipulative and diabolically deceptive.

At first glance, Hoffman's site seems to be promoting MIHIOP, which
would make it a very effective ATTRACTOR (preaching to the converted)
for those who ALREADY GRASP that 9/11 was a MIHOP inside job.

So what is the deception involved here ?
It is the old "lie by omission".
And what is omitted ?
THE CENTRAL ROLE OF THE CONTROLLED CORPORATE-STATE MEDIA, in
perpetrating the 9/11 "planes crashing into skyscrapers" hoax.

This is about much more than simple neurotic "plane-hugging".
To see the distinction in terms of a mere difference of opinion or
vague uncertainties about secondary "unanswered questions" is to miss
the point of what Hoffman is doing.
Hoffman goes out of his way to promote the reliability of planted
"evidence", by prominently featuring media-provided photos of what is
alleged to be "wreckage" from planes at the Towers and the Pentagon.

By fanatically clinging to the "crashing planes" meme, Hoffman is
subtly but effectively RESTORING THE CREDIBIITY OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

To simply argue "controlled demolition", while stubbornly keeping
"planes" in the whole 9/11 scenario; Hoffman sidesteps the whole issue
of "media hoax".
So his effective role is to shore up the legitimacy and credibility of
the mainstream media.

When, in reality, the mass brainwashing capacity of the controlled
media is the most essential and critical element of the entire 9/11
psy-op.

Just as it has continued to be central to the subsequent serial string
of "terrorist" psy-ops in Bali, Madrid, London, Amman, etc.

Indeed, cursory examination of Hoffman/Ashley yields no reference
(that I can find) to the OTHER afore-mentioned false-flag events.
Are we to forget about those and narrowly focus on 9/11, all by
itself, as an isolated singular instance of false-flag terror ?

Controlled demolition of the Towers and WTC7 would never be sufficient
BY ITSELF, to generate a mass understanding of the entire global
strategy of sequenced false-flag synthetic terror attacks.

EXPOSING THE CENTRAL ROLE OF THE MEDIA (hoax, deception, brainwashing)
is key to the whole sick game.

And the glaring, screaming absence of this essential truth is key to
the method of misdirection and disinformation, employed by Hoffman at
his WEB site.

Controlled demolition can be spun out, thus retaining credibility (and
influence ... even control) to CO-OPT the rapidly growing mass
consciousness of 9/11 as some kind of "inside job"....
while Hoffman and his posse obscure, conceal and deny (by omission and
implication) the most powerful weapon the globalists possess: their
control of global mass electronic and print media.

This is truly, "hiding in plain site", because it attempts to keep the
emerging vanguard of 9/11 "truth" activists, and their potential
audience, closely tethered and tightly-bound to the umbilical cord of
the controlled media; while paying lip service to "inside job" and
even "controlled demolition" ...
the very memes which honest people in the movement are so desperate
and grateful to get out into the public arena.

Hoffman exploits the best intentions of honest people, cleverly and
ruthlessly; only to keep them inside the psychic prison of mass media.

His transparent propping up of otherwise "secondary" themes of
disinformation, like "peak oil" (he promotes oilempire), provides
further evidence of the blind alleys and dead-ends into which he would
side-track that honest energy and activism.

If this isn't cleverly contrived COINTELPRO; then it certainly should be.

=====================================

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Roy McCoy <roy@...> wrote:
>
> malaprop wrote:
>
> > f.y.i. (top-posted exchange)
>
> I don't know what a top-posted exchange is, but thanks anyway.
> What I found most interesting in Ashley's messages was that while
> she was, via the material she was citing, insinuating that articles
> by Szymanski are "designed to intimidate would-be whistleblowers who
> are afraid of being harassed by the government for their work," she
> herself repeats the intimidating accounts concerned and is thus,
> despite her indicating that she doesn't necessarily believe them,
> essentially fulfilling the same function she attributes to Szymanski.
>
> On the "Bloggers in Amsterdam" thing I wrote about last week,
> I think I finally figured out what it might have been about.
> The blogers who came over didn't generally seem suspicious, at
> least the ones who were at the Democrats Abroad event I went to -
> but I realized that it might have been just to make a more effective
> network out of them, putting them in touch personally with each other,
> etc. Then, as this view would have it, any (dis)info dropped in the
> right place might be counted on to be disseminated more rapidly and
> thoroughly. I'm not at all sure that this was the idea, but it at
> least seemed plausible.
>
> I'll be turning off receiving mail from this list again soon.
> It's interesting (that's the problem), but the messages keep piling
> up and, you know. I'll probably be dropping back in from time to time,
> and anyone is welcome to contact me privately if they want.
>
>
> Roy McCoy
> Rotterdam, NL
>

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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:23:38 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Banned at hannity.com (Clarificaiton)

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner"
<bill.giltner@...> wrote:
>
> I appreciate the feedback. However I can't see myself softening the
> message.

Let me say it that way .... if you place a sirene close to the ear of
a deaf person, he/she will still not notice it.

> I think creating any small stir that can be created is good.

Yes and no !

Well, any small motion into 'the right direction' is a good one ....
9/11 is 4 1/2 years ago ... wait and see ... the able danger hearing
will get us a big step into the right direction. All the
conservatives, patriots, brainwashed folks, infetable Nazis or
religeous fanatics in your country will not be convinced by loud
screams ... you have to demonstrate them that they belive in the wrong
ideologies .... and this is very hard and long work, because it voids
their complete picture of the world. You know plato's 'parable of the
cave' (don't know the english term ... it's called hoelenparabel in
German) ... If you confront people with something new, strange or
unknown, out of the horizon of their experience, they will get
confused, but not trusting ... they will always mistrust you .... you
will have to familiarize them slowly and very calm ....

otherwise they will simply not listen.

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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:27:25 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Doug Thompson - I don't trust anything he reports.....

Doug Thompson seems to be playing a game to win over everyone who hates the
Bush Admin.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_8184.shtml

I won't trust a thing he says until he talks turkey about 9/11.

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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:36:24 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

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> Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:29:02 -0000
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i don't think, we have the luxury to hope that for in 2 years,
coz that would be extreme too late.

However i could indeed imagine, it will be reflected at msm at one point.

It's ironic, that with 2-4 more video 'workers' we did so much progress
lately, that i think it's still just about lack of manpower and tools....

>>>I predict in another year or two, video manipulation will just as
widely accepted-- if we work at it.<<<

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