Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 391

Wednesday, February 22, 2006

[911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 391

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
2. Re: FW: [frameup] STEP UP to the PLATE
From: rcu@duke.edu
3. Another 'plane' crash themed film made in 2000
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
4. Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
5. [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
6. [Fwd: [ctrl] We are in big trouble folks!]
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
7. Re: [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
8. [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
9. At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
10. Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
11. Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
12. Yesterday's NYC March for 9/11 Truth
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
13. Cathy Carger's report about Greg Nixon protest
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
14. test to group
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
15. Just two 767's
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
16. Re: Re: I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth so help me.
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
17. Re: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
18. Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
19. Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
20. Re: Bush becomes serous national threat.
From: Ed Barner <edwinatlcom.net@mindspring.com>
21. Paul Krugman, Amy Goodman, and Gatekeeperism, really at work or just expected..
From: "matildottero" <matildottero@yahoo.com>
22. PNAC-Fukuyama: Pull down the neocons
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
23. Re: Paul Krugman, Amy Goodman, and Gatekeeperism, really at work or just expected..
From: "inphoman911" <inphoman911@yahoo.com>
24. New NY Village Voice article about "9/11 Truth Movement"
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
25. Re: New NY Village Voice article about "9/11 Truth Movement"
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:26:52 -0000
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 2/20 NYC

Kudos for the great courage that you and the rest of the group showed
by participating in this protest. It has inspired me to try something
similiar here in Canada. I am going to organize a protest march in
downtown Toronto, along University Ave to Queen's Park (Provincial
Parliament).

Then have everyone go to Speakers Corner (video recording booth)
outside of CityTV and each of us do a 1 minute segment of how the
Official Fairy Tale of 9/11 is a lie. They randomly play segments from
this booth throughout the week and have a show on Saturday nights
dedicated to Speakers Corner clips.

Will update once I hear back from some other activists in the GTA.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@...> wrote:
>
> First off I like to thank Nico and all the others here for the moral
> support over the last several weeks. I think the media coverage
> PRECEDING the event made the occasion worth while even if the event
> was not held. the word was out the 'gatekeepers' are the focus of
> our
> fury, and this is very important.
>
> The day was beautiful and not unlike the clear morning of 9/11
> itself,
> except cold. We had 40 or so assemble at the WTC Plaque. The cops
> were
> overly sympathetic and polite. They ARE OUR FRIENDS in this folks.
> We
> need to mobilize these guys. these guys have families, they don't
> want
> this NWO agenda any more than we do - they SAW they Destruction.
>
> After an interview with the Netherlands equivalent of
> CBS, an interview where I clearly expressed my rage, we all walked
> over to Spitzer's Silverstein properties office. Sander Hicks gave
> an
> inspired speech for camera's and passerbyers (Including David
> Letterman who paid no attention it seemed :(....
> The financial area was a bit low on peds considering the bank
> holiday.
>
> We marched on up Broadway to Amy Goodman's "firehouse Studio" and
> assemble our mob out side the door. The staff had already thrown
> Craig
> Hill and I out of the studio earlier, so I knew they would be
> hostile.
> Hicks called Amy and got her on speakerphone where the crowd all had
> their say. I yelled "MEDIA WAR CRIMINAL" others jeered and she hung
> u.
> As for that stop mission accomplished. NEVER, have protesters
> assembled at her door and made her confront what she is, a media
> figure serving POWER and not the people.
>
> The mob moved up to Canal and got on the N and the R line, where I
> began to lecture riders on Lockheed Martin being paid to "protect
> Nyer's when they are in fact an inside sponsor of 9/11 and told of
> the
> danger. We got plenty of good stares....
>
> We exited and circled around the throbbing Times Square to
> Giuliani's
> office. Craig Hill entered and asked if this was where the Perp
> worked
> and they at first LIED. No he doesn't. Then another guy said he did.
> We were not allowed in the building and began deafening screams that
> the Ghoul is a mass murderer for ALL Times Square to hear. There was
> not the numbers or the conditions for any CD.
>
> After fifteen minutes of jeering we circled back though Broadway to
> see the "Grey Lady" NYT and let em have it. The rally then ended up
> at the steps of the Stairs of the NY Public Library where we had all
> the banners up at the entrances (see photo in file) and did a 45
> minute shout out to all of mid-town. I kept screaming I believe in
> the Easter Bunny, I believe in Santa Clause, I believe 19 hijackers
> did 9/11. etc ....
>
>
> We are in big trouble folks. I don't see ANY organized activism in
> NYC considering the ease and potential to build a movement there.
> there is no 9/11 movement as far as activism is concerned. ALL THE
> BS
> on the internet DOESN"T FUCKING MATTER. The grass roots approach
> ain't
> going to cut it PERIOD. Get this on MSM or it's over. We need media
> a
> savvy action plan now or it's over and the exetended midnight of
> Bushism is here to stay. that's it. Get this OFF THE
> INTERNET. STOP WASTING TIME IN CHAT FORUMS. THE REST OF THE WORLD
> HAS
> NO CLUE what we write or say here.
>
> I called for a mob and got 40 people, This in a city of 7 million
> where this crime took place???
>
> I am taking a breather from this "movement" since I am now
> officially
> broke. I cannot devote 8 plus hours any more to the latest breaking
> development's here knowing that there is NO FRUITION to the activity.
>
> Best to all.
>

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:19:40 -0500 (EST)
From: rcu@duke.edu
Subject: Re: FW: [frameup] STEP UP to the PLATE

> Your frames could not possibly depict a genuine wing to tower wall
> collision because
> the 3 WING MOUNTED FUEL TANKS didn't explode instantly upon
> dis-integration
> into 3 separate but distinct yellow orange fireballs - each with
> billowing dense black
> hydrocarbon smoke plumes typical of plane crash infernos

Oddly enough, though, there WAS an orange-black fireball at the 1st Hit
... out the SOUTH side of T1.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/halloween/halloween.htm
about 60% down the page.
Discovered by me in August 2004.

Furthermore, the SECOND hit had a stalked tan-gray mushroom cloud like the
1st Hit.
http://www.photos-september11.co.uk/
Made known to me by one Stann Rodd in Oct. 2004.

BOTH Hits had a stalked tan-gray mushroom cloud come out the IMPACT side AND
a black-orange fireball come out the OPPOSITE side.

Ray Ubinger
http://911foreknowledge.com

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:26:19 -0000
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Another 'plane' crash themed film made in 2000

Wednesday August 16, 2000
How'd They Do that? "405" Movie

It's the plane landing that launched the careers of Hollywood's two
newest Stars. Their Internet movie, "405," brought disaster to the
streets of Los Angeles without destroying a thing.

EXTRA explains, how'd they do that?

It's an incredible and terrifying sight. A jumbo jet is making an
emergency landing on southern California's 405 Freeway... but the
freeway isn't empty. One unsuspecting man is cruising down the road...
and he's about to get crushed by the jet!

So how did the filmmakers manage to land a DC-10 on a L.A. freeway? They
certainly didn't have the budget to get a shooting permit to clear one
of the busiest freeways in America! Believe it or not, there is no real
airplane in this film.

Enter the very realistic virtual world of the computer.

Filmmakers Jeremy Hunt and Bruce Branit made the three-minute film with
a mere three hundred dollars working on their home computer. First, they
had to clear the runway of all traffic...

Article here
<http://extratv.warnerbros.com/cmp/spotlight/2000/08_16b.htm>

405: Filmmakers' Road to Success by Andy Patrizio
<mailto:andy_patrizio@hotmail.com> Andy Patrizio
<http://www.wired.com/support/feedback.html?headline=405:%20Filmmakers%27%20Road%20to%20Success&story_id=38189&section_path=/culture&ftype=feedback&msg_type=2&aid=127>

2000-08-12 04:00:00.0

LOS ANGELES -- When the movie Speed hit theaters, one of the jokes
circulating around town was that there was no way a bus could ever
approach 55 miles per hour, much less hit that speed and maintain it.
The freeway where the movie plays out is routinely one of the most
congested in the city.

But if you think a speeding bus is hard to fathom, imagine a DC-10
landing on Los Angeles' crowded 405 freeway. On an SUV.

That's the premise of 405 <http://www.405themovie.com/> , a three-minute
film from Hollywood special effects veterans Bruce Branit and Jeremy
Hunt.

It was created with almost no money, using only a digital camera and a
pair of dual processor computers.

But the rewards have been great. Branit and Hunt recently signed a
hosting deal with iFilm <http://www.ifilm.com/> -- a site featuring
online movies and short films -- after the traffic became too heavy at
their own site. Now they're a hot Web commodity in Hollywood.

The film features a driver, played by Hunt, motoring along a completely
empty 405 freeway, only to realize there's an American Airlines DC-10
coming in for a landing on the freeway.

He tries to outrun the plane but it comes down right behind him. The
nose gear collapses and the front of the plane falls on top of his Jeep,
blowing out two tires. The Jeep and plane eventually skid to a stop, but
not before nearly mowing over an elderly woman puttering along in her
car. She eventually motors by the stalled Jeep and gives the driver the
old L.A. motorist salute.

Article here <http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,38189,00.html>

405: The Movie <http://www.405themovie.com/Home.asp>

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:06:16 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 2/20 NYC

I want to thank you as well. You did a great job.

I'm sorry I couldn't go, I did have a lot of shit to do at work and I
live far from NYC and I have two young kids, blah blah. Though
really, there is no good excuse. :P

I have long thought that the internet was way too disconnected from
the real world to make a difference in terms of public awareness.
"Naked" activism is probably the only way to go.

The internet is great for research and for people who WANT to look up
things. But it will never be a good tool to reach out to the vast public.

I know it is discouraging now. I hope you change your mind.

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:09:07 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]

I see what you mean. Thanks. It is just that I have never been
comfortable with name-calling and personal attacks. It is fun to
watch sometimes-- I just feel uncomfortable doing it myself.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> It beats "All Necks In One Noose" as everybody makes phoney polite talk
> while backstabbing.
>
> Yay for right up front and honest where you're coming from.
>
> It is purely theoretical that people really can change their mind, but
> if you don't know what their mind is, they can hide the lie behind a
> cheshire cat smile.
>
> The insults are part of the debate style.
> Blacks on streetcorners used to call it "The Dozens" probably for the
> dozens of insults.
>
> Super, super debate ought to be studied by all folks serious:
> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/01/332076.html
> You can see how insult is built into the format.
>
> Holmgren is debating a tag-team pair with the sort of interrogation
> skills expected of Guantanamo.
>
> It is working out fine, tho, cos the nature of Socratic Debate uncovers
> truth despite the motivation of potential despoilers.
>
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > Man, I really wish everyone would chill out, especially Fetzer.
> > There's no reason to hurl insults around.
> >
> > What a mess.
> >
> > "why can't we all just get along?" :P
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"
> >> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:06:05 -0600
> >> From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> >> Organization: Grassy Knoll Associates
> >> To: jfetzer@
> >> References: <20060220213823.27207.qmail@>
> >> <1140474068.70c6cd07982d8@>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://team8plus.org
> >> This is why to take Nico Seriously.
> >> This is an incredible collection of research on the war games and
> >>
> > terror
> >
> >> drills that just "happened" to be scheduled for 911.
> >> This site hosts radar information which confirms that "planes" never
> >>
> > got
> >
> >> near New York and all sorts of stuff Nico's team has assembled
over the
> >> past four plus years.
> >>
> >> I try to maintain hope that the goal is not to spin up a fiction to
> >>
> > suit
> >
> >> the globalist theocrats who have largely funded the 911 Orwellian
> >> "Truth" movement, to provide an All Necks in One Noose brand of
"unity"
> >> as half-truth front man lie-proper to feed the schnookies freshened
> >>
> > up lies.
> >
> >> If I had read Nico's message "joke" I would have pounded him for it.
> >> Becoming another brand of "Liars For Truth" carrying false flags
just
> >> cos it has worked so well so far is nothing I could indorse even in
> >>
> > jest.
> >
> >> The remark was apparently in reference to Greg Nixon's poster, which
> >> some Hoffman fan made for him.
> >> In retrospect, I think I didn't take it seriously enough either.
Here's
> >> what I wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC: my pleading up at
DC Indy
> >> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:47:17 -0600
> >> From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not bitching or nuthin.
> >> I Hail Eris the Goddess of Chaos Equally in Triumph and Despair.
> >> Yay for whatever turns up.
> >> It's a good looking poster.
> >> I'm just saying that people look at the Hoffman addresses and do
their
> >> normal nod routine.
> >> This is good.
> >>
> >> They may not even read that the target is Spitzer, hero of braindead
> >>
> > New
> >
> >> Yorkers about to be rewarded for his coverup expertise like
generations
> >> of crusading prosecutors.
> >>
> >> I wouldn't be surprised if Hoffman crawls out of his cave to issue a
> >> cease and desist!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Greg Nixon wrote:
> >>
> >>> The web sites were not my choosing but that of an activist in SF
> >>> who sent me it. Since I am a complete retard with computers and too
> >>> overwhelmed with othe work to learn now, I had to run with the
> >>> existing one.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> >>> <webfairy@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I think, since your poster flies Jim Hoffman's colors, you will
> >>>> have little trouble getting it posted.
> >>>> With good fortune, the event shall be a great embarrassment to him.
> >>>> Your poster is rubbed with the spoor of the Perp Central inside
> >>>> jobbers running both sides.
> >>>> This will cause great confusion.
> >>>> teehee.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Greg Nixon wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> jfetzer@ wrote:
> >>
> >>> Nico,
> >>>
> >>> We agree that someone's behavior is disgusting and irresponsible,
> >>>
> > but not on
> >
> >>> which of us that would be. Others can readily sort out the
> >>>
> > evidence in this
> >
> >>> case. Anyone who thinks this was a "joke" is not going to have
> >>>
> > the ghost of
> >
> >>> a chance actually figuring out what happened on 9/11 or anything
> >>>
> > else, alas!
> >
> >>> I cannot imagine why anyone should continue to take you seriously.
> >>>
> > I don't.
> >
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>> Quoting Nico Haupt <nicohaupt2@>:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> If the Village Voice or NY TIMES writes about it, i don't
> >>>>>>>>
> > care, but
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> maybe it
> >>>> > would be cool infowar and a mainstream media stunt, if we claim,
> >>>> 911Scholars
> >>>> > for Truth are one of the organizers or endorsers as well,
> >>>>
> > ROFL!!! :)
> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Greg could pretend he didn't know about the scam. Someone
> >>>>
> > maybe should
> >
> >>>> > really fake a last minute flyer: 911Scholars and Jim Fetzer
> >>>>
> > present Greg
> >
> >>>> > Nixon + Co. :)
> >>>> >
> >>>> Is it your defense that Cathy Garger was the source and that you
> >>>>
> > had nothing
> >
> >>>> to do with this? I am sure everyone will find your explanation
> >>>>
> > fascinating!
> >
> >>>> Jim<<<
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim,
> >>>>
> >>>> let me put it this way.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is sad enough that you neither endorsed Ben Pritchard OR Greg
> >>>>
> > Nixon.
> >
> >>>> When you asked me if i suggested a leaflet, "presented by
> >>>>
> > 911Scholars", this
> >
> >>>> was actually a joke many weeks ago, with some hope, that you
> >>>>
> > would still cave
> >
> >>>> in and actually really endorse Greg Nixon.
> >>>>
> >>>> If someone picked up this joke, then please make this person
> >>>>
> > responsible,
> >
> >>>> not me.
> >>>>
> >>>> In times, when comedians like Jon Stewart have apparently more
> >>>>
> > impact on the
> >
> >>>> leftwing, it is more than irritating, that you take your job so
> >>>>
> > seriously.
> >
> >>>> Meanwhile i figured out, who actually printed the leaflet.
> >>>> It was Luke, a supporter of ny911truth.org, who once also
> >>>>
> > organized the Loose
> >
> >>>> Change II -event. I think, he did also a great promotion for Greg
> >>>>
> > and you
> >
> >>>> should be thankful that he added your link.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ironically also ny911truth.org decided not to promote Greg's
> >>>>
> > event until last
> >
> >>>> thursday, and only under strong criticism and way too late, to
> >>>>
> > get at least
> >
> >>>> 200 people to Ground Zero.
> >>>>
> >>>> Luke (i forgot his last name now) did NOT stage or imply that
> >>>>
> > your group
> >
> >>>> present Greg's event, but added by good will a link to your and
> >>>>
> > Jim Hoffman's
> >
> >>>> website.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Your behavior is embarrassing and incredible.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now you also decided to remove Ben Pritchard?
> >>>> That should speak for yourself.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is disgusting and irresponsible behavior.
> >>>>
> >>>> My respect for your cause reached almost zero now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I hope, the other members will figure out now, to correct this
ASAP.
> >>>>
> >>>> nico aka ewing2001
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> jfetzer@ wrote: (1) The purpose of Scholars for 9/11 Truth is
> >>>> provided on our web site at
> >>>> http://www.st911.org under the heading, "Who are we?", which is
> >>>>
> > as follows:
> >
> >>>> Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T) is a non-partisan association
> >>>>
> > of faculty,
> >
> >>>> students, and scholars, in fields as diverse as history, science,
> >>>>
> > military
> >
> >>>> affairs, psychology, and philosophy, dedicated to exposing
> >>>>
> > falsehoods and to
> >
> >>>> revealing truths behind 9/11.
> >>>>
> >>>> The members of S9/11T are encouraged to take an active role by
> >>>>
> > devoting
> >
> >>>> themselves to reporting the results of research on 9/11 to the
> >>>>
> > nation and the
> >
> >>>> world by means of lectures, articles, and other venues.
> >>>>
> >>>> S9/11T members are convinced their research proves the current
> >>>>
> > administration
> >
> >>>> has been dishonest about what happened in New York and
> >>>>
> > Washington, D.C.
> >
> >>>> These experts contend that books and articles by members and
> >>>>
> > other associates
> >
> >>>> have established that the World Trade Center was almost certainly
> >>>>
> > brought
> >
> >>>> down
> >>>> by controlled demolitions and that the available relevant
> >>>>
> > evidence casts
> >
> >>>> grave
> >>>> doubt on the government's official story about the attack on the
> >>>>
> > Pentagon.
> >
> >>>> They believe that the government not only permitted 9/11 to occur
> >>>>
> > but may
> >
> >>>> even
> >>>> have orchestrated these events to facilitate its political agenda.
> >>>>
> >>>> S9/11T encourages its members to vigorously express their
> >>>>
> > concerns on this
> >
> >>>> score
> >>>> through lectures, conferences, symposia, articles, and books as
> >>>>
> > well as other
> >
> >>>> access routes that publicize their findings.
> >>>>
> >>>> Founded by professors Jim Fetzer and Steven Jones, S9/11T is
> >>>>
> > devoted to
> >
> >>>> applying
> >>>> the principles of scientific reasoning to the available evidence,
> >>>>
> > "letting
> >
> >>>> the
> >>>> chips fall where they may".
> >>>>
> >>>> Currently, S9/11T has four categories of members: full members
> >>>>
> > (FM), who have
> >
> >>>> or
> >>>> have had academic appointments or the equivalent; associate
> >>>>
> > members (AM), who
> >
> >>>> have backgrounds and interests relevant to 9/11 research; and
> >>>>
> > student members
> >
> >>>> (SM), who are concerned about these issues and want to pursue
> >>>>
> > them. The
> >
> >>>> special
> >>>> category of society associate (SA) exists for others who wish to
> >>>>
> > publicly
> >
> >>>> support the association.
> >>>>
> >>>> (2) The relationship between the members and the society is not
> >>>>
> > symmetrical,
> >
> >>>> which means that, while the members endorse and support the
> >>>>
> > purposes and the
> >
> >>>> goals of the society, the society does not therefore endorse or
> >>>>
> > support the
> >
> >>>> purposes and goals of each of its members. The society is not an
> >>>>
> > "activist"
> >
> >>>> organization, for example, even thought many of its members are
> >>>>
> > devoted to
> >
> >>>> taking "activist" measures. We are devoted to discovering the
> >>>>
> > truth about
> >
> >>>> 9/11 and disseminating that information was widely as possible.
> >>>>
> > Otherwise,
> >
> >>>> we trust the good judgment of the American people and, indeed,
> >>>>
> > the people of
> >
> >>>> the world to take those actions they consider to be most
> >>>>
> > appropriate under
> >
> >>>> the circumstances. Moreover, measuring the "degree of purity" of
> >>>>
> > beliefs of
> >
> >>>> our members relative to your own subjective yardstick not only
> >>>>
> > qualifies as
> >
> >>>> blatant bias but begs the question: what entitles you to assume
> >>>>
> > that YOUR
> >
> >>>> BELIEFS about 9/11 are better founded or more defensive than
> >>>>
> > THEIRS? This
> >
> >>>> conduct on your part has obvious political motivation and little
> >>>>
> > or nothing
> >
> >>>> to do with exposing the false and revealing the truth about event
> >>>>
> > of 9/11.
> >
> >>>> (3) It fascinates me that you should cite Benjamin Pritchard, who
> >>>>
> > misused
> >
> >>>> the name of the society in promoting an event to which we were
> >>>>
> > unrelated.
> >
> >>>> As a consequence, I suspended him from the organization. If you
> >>>>
> > were not
> >
> >>>> in such a great rush to smear S9/11T, perhaps you would have
> >>>>
> > noticed that
> >
> >>>> his name is not listed as a member. Here is some related
> >>>>
> > correspondence:
> >
> >>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:37:07 -0600 (CST)
> >>>> From: james fetzer
> >>>> To: ben@
> >>>> Subject: Re: "Naked" Press Release; Scholars for 9/11 Truth
> >>>>
> >>>> Benjamin,
> >>>>
> >>>> We are a group of scholars, not naked activists, so I would
> >>>>
> > respectfully
> >
> >>>> request that you not identify Scholars for 9/11 Truth with this
> >>>>
> > stunt.
> >
> >>>> I appreciate what you are trying to do; I hope you can appreciate
> >>>>
> > what we
> >
> >>>> are trying to do--and that our methods will not always coincide.
> >>>>
> > Thanks.
> >
> >>>> Good luck!
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Attorney@ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Benjamin, I think your PRWeb press release "9/11 Activists
> >>>>>
> > Planning to
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> 'Get
> >>>> Naked' to Get the Mainstream Media's Attention" is funny:
> >>>> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060208/nyw163.html?.v=34
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> However, since you are prominently using the name Scholars for
> >>>>>
> > 9/11 Truth
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> in
> >>>> the release, I think you should run it by the group's co-chairs,
> >>>>
> > Jim and
> >
> >>>> Steve.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:13:10 -0600
> >>>> From: jfetzer@
> >>>> To: benjamin pritchard
> >>>> Subject: Re: Naked?
> >>>>
> >>>> Benjamin Pritchard,
> >>>>
> >>>> This is to notify you that your name has been removed from the
> >>>>
> > membership
> >
> >>>> rolls for Scholars for 9/11 Truth. If you wish to offer a case
> >>>>
> > for your
> >
> >>>> reinstatement, you may do so by return email to this list within
> >>>>
> > 24 hours.
> >
> >>>> James H. Fetzer
> >>>>
> >>>> (4) I find it interesting that you deny having suggested
> >>>>
> > creating a false
> >
> >>>> press release to smear S9/11T. Quoting Nico Haupt :
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Jim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> . . .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For the record, i am NOT the "same Nico Haupt who suggested
> >>>>>
> > creating
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> false
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> news releases to tie S9/11T to an event in New York".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am aware, that someone in NY printed some leaflets to
> >>>>>
> > promote the
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> event
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> of Greg Nixon, but that wasn't me. I have a) no money for this,
> >>>>>
> > b) no time
> >
> >>>>> c) not the skills for thsi graphic design.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> If that is the case, then perhaps you could kindly explain the
> >>>>
> > following post
> >
> >>>> from a group calling itself "911InsideJobbers", which includes
> >>>>
> > your name as a
> >
> >>>> member. Are you going to persist in denying that you made such a
> >>>>
> > suggestion
> >
> >>>> or that the issues you are raising here are consistent with the
> >>>>
> > exchange that
> >
> >>>> is recorded in this post? You appear to have no principles
> >>>>
> > whatsoever and to
> >
> >>>> be completely unscrupulous. Would you like to revise your
> >>>>
> > statement, Nico?
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> --- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht ---
> >>>>>> Von: Cathy Garger
> >>>>>> An: Nico Haupt , 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [ny911] NY 911 Truth Update
> >>>>>>
> > 2-6-06
> >
> >>>>>> Datum: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:05:04 -0800 (PST)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> The most important outcome of Greg Nixon's event will be THIS TIME
> >>>>> not the masses of support, but the symbolical approach and
> >>>>>
> > enough internet
> >
> >>>>> media to reflect it. In the best scenario an embarrassed Amy
> >>>>>
> > Goodman will
> >
> >>>>> yell at the crowd and stir more confusion, i hope the same for
> >>>>>
> > ANSWER.
> >
> >>>>> What the rightwingers depend, i don't expect much reaction. A
> >>>>>
> > protest at
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> NY TIMES is just to get some hot air for sheeple walking next by.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the Village Voice or NY TIMES writes about it, i don't care,
> >>>>>
> > but maybe
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> it
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> would be cool infowar and a mainstream media stunt, if we claim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> 911Scholars
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> for Truth are one of the organizers or endorsers as well,
ROFL!!! :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greg could pretend he didn't know about the scam. Someone maybe
> >>>>>
> > should
> >
> >>>>> really fake a last minute flyer: 911Scholars and Jim Fetzer
> >>>>>
> > present Greg
> >
> >>>>> Nixon + Co. :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Is it your defense that Cathy Garger was the source and that you
> >>>>
> > had nothing
> >
> >>>> to do with this? I am sure everyone will find your explanation
> >>>>
> > fascinating!
> >
> >>>> Jim
> >>>>
> >>>> James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
> >>>> Founder and Co-chair
> >>>> Scholars for 9/11 Truth
> >>>> http://www.st911.org
> >>>> http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
_____________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >>>> Jim,
> >>>>
> >>>> if this is the only response you could come up with it, then it
> >>>>
> > appears to
> >
> >>>> me
> >>>> of the same arrogance you supplied at the last time.
> >>>>
> >>>> For the record, i am NOT the "same Nico Haupt who suggested
> >>>>
> > creating false
> >
> >>>> news releases to tie S9/11T to an event in New York".
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I am aware, that someone in NY printed some leaflets to promote
> >>>>>
> > the event
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Greg Nixon, but that wasn't me. I have a) no money for this, b)
> >>>>>
> > no time c)
> >
> >>>>> not the skills for thsi graphic design.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I also didn't suggest to add these two links, even critized it
> >>>>>
> > at the
> >
> >>>>> beginning, when i heard about it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Again, my effort was to analyse all members of your group, as
> >>>>>
> > close as
> >
> >>>>> possible and i still believe, it would be irresponsible not to
> >>>>>
> > use your
> >
> >>>>> influence in mainstream media not to add any political and
activist
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> message
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> at this point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What you also didn't respect so far is, that without the
> >>>>>
> > groundbreaking
> >
> >>>>> efforts of my former group, "9/11 science and justice alliance"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> (2002-2006),
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> co-founded with Jeff "Plaguepuppy" King. there wouldn't have
> >>>>>
> > been the
> >
> >>>>> Walter/Hufschmid-tandem, David Ray Griffin, Craig Hill, WING TV,
> >>>>> 911physics.net, or your group.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Again, i pointed out from the beginning, that our phsyical
> >>>>>
> > research is
> >
> >>>>> nothing worth if it is not picked up and put into action by
> >>>>>
> > activist
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> groups
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> or independent media projects and related media stunts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Therefore your group is not going to the next level as well
> >>>>>
> > and remain as
> >
> >>>>> pure awareness PR only.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are you really believe, that is enough to stop a world war
> >>>>>
> > between US,
> >
> >>>>> Russia and China or the pending threat against Iran?
> >>>>> Where is your stand, when it comes to confront phoney anti-war
> >>>>>
> > speakers?
> >
> >>>>> Why didn't you endorse Greg Nixon's event? Why didn't you send
> >>>>>
> > a student
> >
> >>>>> delegetion, connected with your student members of the group?
> >>>>> Where is your support of the project of Ben Pritchard (an
> >>>>>
> > associated
> >
> >>>>> member of your group) , 911nakedforthe truth and why didn't you
> >>>>>
> > combine
> >
> >>>>> forces with him and Greg yet?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I gave you the benefit of a doubt, that you're going into the
> >>>>>
> > right
> >
> >>>>> direction, but i listened also closely to your last three
> >>>>>
> > interviews and
> >
> >>>>> couldn't hear anything which point on more than just being another
> >>>>> 'awareness' group.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am aware, that i occasionally also let my emotions flow, but
> >>>>>
> > that is a
> >
> >>>>> response on people in this movement who just show nothing else
than
> >>>>> arrogance and ignorance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The correspondence with you so far reminds me of the early
> >>>>>
> > days with Kyle
> >
> >>>>> Hence, who showed the same attitude.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Prove, that you're not going into the same direction like
> >>>>>
> > 911truth.org.
> >
> >>>>> PS: Nothing is "bizarre" as you often pointed out in some
> >>>>>
> > interviews.
> >
> >>>>> The real 9/11 perps calculated confusion and paradoxes to
design
> >>>>> diversions on purpose, including in a possible "opposition".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That includes a sloppy job on pentagon and other details
> >>>>>
> > regarding
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> alleged
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> cell phone talks or sloppery in their electronic video
> >>>>>
> > manipulations on
> >
> >>>>> sep11th.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> jfetzer@ wrote: Nico,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not to belabor the obvious, but you are not a member of S9/11T,
> >>>>>
> > so I have
> >
> >>>>> no idea what you think you are doing. If your purpose is NOT to
> >>>>>
> > sabotage
> >
> >>>>> or undermine the society, I can't imagine what it could be? I
> >>>>>
> > have been
> >
> >>>>> resistant to those who have advised me that you are a very nasty
> >>>>>
> > and very
> >
> >>>>> unscrupulous person, but I am finding it more and more difficult
> >>>>>
> > to deny
> >
> >>>>> that they appear to be right and I wrong to give you benefit of
> >>>>>
> > the doubt.
> >
> >>>>> Aren't you the same Nico Haupt who suggested creating false news
> >>>>>
> > releases
> >
> >>>>> to tie S9/11T to an event in New York in order to tarnish our
> >>>>>
> > reputation?
> >
> >>>>> Was that another example of your efforts to "restructure and
> >>>>>
> > refocus" us?
> >
> >>>>> Jim
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Quoting Nico Haupt :
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> David,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> thanks for your point and i'm actually glad that you respond
> >>>>>>
> > back,
> >
> >>>>>> but as you recall, i put you up in my "biggest hope" category.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My point is not to sabotage or offend the group, but to waken
> >>>>>>
> > up into
> >
> >>>>>> another direction with a possible restructure and refocus.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am also curious about what else you have to say, especially
> >>>>>>
> > also
> >
> >>>>>> regarding
> >>>>>> PR strategy and particular activist projects and contents.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please send me any material about how you think, your own
> >>>>>>
> > personal
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> spirit
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> and background can improve the group of 911Scholars.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> respectfully,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> nico aka ewing2001
> >>>>>> team8plus.org
> >>>>>> 911Inside Jobber Yahoogroup
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> PS: Lori, i'm not sure if you responded to me,
> >>>>>> but i think, i had no 9 million pages in my reply, just a
> >>>>>>
> > listings
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> about
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> 48
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> people.
> >>>>>> I think netiquette is often not clear, if you should add the
> >>>>>>
> > original
> >
> >>>>>> content again.
> >>>>>> I think in this point it's probably not necessary, if you
> >>>>>>
> > don't correct
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> or
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> quote particular paragraphs and skip the others.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone, who would like to unsubscribe from this list, please
> >>>>>>
> > do so.
> >
> >>>>>> I only decided to include some guests, but respect if the
> >>>>>>
> > debate among
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 911scholars can continue without harrassing any other visitors.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I might add a link with my analysis on the group at
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> portland.indymedia.org,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> in the 9/11 section very soon where people can individually
> >>>>>>
> > respond.
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------
> >>>> Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, &
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> >
> >>>> and used cars.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:10:28 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: [Fwd: [ctrl] We are in big trouble folks!]

Greg is now excuse of the day for Jah, a satanic pedophile who thinks
that anyone making laws should get the death penalty.
http://thewebfairy.com/jah

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [ctrl] We are in big trouble folks!
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:43:05 -0500
From: Percy <percylltk@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ctrl@yahoogroups.com
To: <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
CC: <ctrl@yahoogroups.com>, "Catapultthepropaganda Yahoo! Group"
<catapultthepropaganda@yahoogroups.com>

Greetings Greg,

Good morning.

I hope this finds you well, in good spirit and enjoying a pleasant and
prosperous day.

I am writing in response to the letter/report about the 2/20 NYC
march/rally which was posted on the CTRL Yahoo! Group. It sounds like
you have hit your red sea according to what you discovered in NYC; that
people are either apathetic and just don’t care or they are worn out
from trying solutions that fail and simple don’t know what to do anymore
to bring the evil Zion-Nazi perpetrators of OKC, 911, 7/7/2005 and the
phoney War on Terror to True Justice.

Greg’s comments:

“We are in big trouble folks. I don't see ANY organized activism in NYC
considering the ease and potential to build a movement there. There is
no 9/11 movement as far as activism is concerned. ALL THE BS on the
internet DOESN"T F&%#@%$ MATTER. The grass roots approach ain't going to
cut it PERIOD. Get this on MSM or it's over. We need media a savvy
action plan now or it's over and the extended midnight of Bushism is
here to stay. That's it. Get this OFF THE INTERNET. STOP WASTING TIME IN
CHAT FORUMS. THE REST OF THE WORLD HAS NO CLUE what we write or say here.

I called for a mob and got 40 people, This in a city of 7 million where
this crime took place???”

Therefore I am writing you to extend hope and offer the following
forward and The Plan (http://i.am/jah/plan.htm), which I humbly and
truly believe is the Only potentially non-violent Solution to the
Tyrannical Zion-Nazi Fascist Police State we are living in right now. I
hope and urge you to carefully study The Plan (http://i.am/jah/plan.htm)
which is an absolutely FREE 83 page html document which can be read on
the website or downloaded to your MAC, PC or PDA device. For me I
personally benefited most from carefully reading The Plan
(http://i.am/jah/plan.htm) word for word, even though I was familiar
with some of the material, since every word, sentence and paragraph
builds to the conclusion and ultimately the Solution to All our problems.

I would also recommend renting or purchasing the DVD movie “Michael
Collins” circa 1996 starring Liam Neeson and Julia Robert after
carefully study The Plan (http://i.am/jah/plan.htm). For those who do as
I have suggested above the picture should become crystal clear as to
what needs to be done to take back this nation.

For what this may be worth, I hope that it is helpful.

May peace be upon you,

Percy

http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.info/

http://defeatnwo.blogspot.com/

Begin forward:

Dear All,

Recently I have read reports that approximately 61% – 65% of Americans
believe the truth/fact that 911 was an inside-job and that percentage is
the majority of the nation.

Given that the majority know that it was an inside-job, one has to ask
the question: Why are they not up in arms doing something about it?

There are two possible answers to the question:

1. They do not care.
2. They care, but don’t know what to do about it.

For approximately 5 years (IOW before 911), I and others have been
publicising the ONLY solution, which is The Plan –
http://i.am/jah/plan.htm – but have no way of knowing how many people we
have managed to reach, and, out of those, how many have studied The Plan
themselves.

I would like to think that the answer to my question is number 2 – that
they care, but don’t know what to do about it - but it is starting to
look, as time passes, that answer number 1 is the correct answer.

If we can work together individually to reach that 61% - 65% of
Americans (who know that 911 was an inside-job) with The Plan, without
spamming, and get them to study it, we can eliminate one of the possible
answers. Once that 61% - 65% of Americans knows what they can do about
it, individually and collectively, if they do not enforce The Plan then
we know that number 1 is the correct answer and that there is absolutely
no hope for America.

Alternatively, if we can reach that 61% - 65% with The Plan and even a
small percentage of them decide to enforce The Plan, like the small
percentage who fought the War of Independence, then there is still hope
for America and the rest of mankind.

Seeing as it is so critically important that the N.W.O. Zion-Nazi
traitors are stopped and that upon this all depends, don’t you think
that you should all start helping to publicise The Plan to reach those
people, before it is too late?

Long live the Fighters (for God),

JAH

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:21:40 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]

Some people would rather die than be called names.
I'm not one of them.
Planehuggers, or in this case, Entire Official Story Huggers, run out
of evidence fast, so all they've got to work with is personal attack,
lies and intimidation. When those weapons do no harm, they're S.O.L.
They (accidentally) help us build a really tight case, since they're
always probing for every flaw.

alexldent wrote:
> I see what you mean. Thanks. It is just that I have never been
> comfortable with name-calling and personal attacks. It is fun to
> watch sometimes-- I just feel uncomfortable doing it myself.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> wrote:
>
>> It beats "All Necks In One Noose" as everybody makes phoney polite talk
>> while backstabbing.
>>
>> Yay for right up front and honest where you're coming from.
>>
>> It is purely theoretical that people really can change their mind, but
>> if you don't know what their mind is, they can hide the lie behind a
>> cheshire cat smile.
>>
>> The insults are part of the debate style.
>> Blacks on streetcorners used to call it "The Dozens" probably for the
>> dozens of insults.
>>
>> Super, super debate ought to be studied by all folks serious:
>> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/01/332076.html
>> You can see how insult is built into the format.
>>
>> Holmgren is debating a tag-team pair with the sort of interrogation
>> skills expected of Guantanamo.
>>
>> It is working out fine, tho, cos the nature of Socratic Debate uncovers
>> truth despite the motivation of potential despoilers.
>>
>>
>>
>> alexldent wrote:
>>
>>> Man, I really wish everyone would chill out, especially Fetzer.
>>> There's no reason to hurl insults around.
>>>
>>> What a mess.
>>>
>>> "why can't we all just get along?" :P
>>>
>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"
>>>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:06:05 -0600
>>>> From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
>>>> Organization: Grassy Knoll Associates
>>>> To: jfetzer@
>>>> References: <20060220213823.27207.qmail@>
>>>> <1140474068.70c6cd07982d8@>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://team8plus.org
>>>> This is why to take Nico Seriously.
>>>> This is an incredible collection of research on the war games and
>>>>
>>>>
>>> terror
>>>
>>>
>>>> drills that just "happened" to be scheduled for 911.
>>>> This site hosts radar information which confirms that "planes" never
>>>>
>>>>
>>> got
>>>
>>>
>>>> near New York and all sorts of stuff Nico's team has assembled
>>>>
> over the
>
>>>> past four plus years.
>>>>
>>>> I try to maintain hope that the goal is not to spin up a fiction to
>>>>
>>>>
>>> suit
>>>
>>>
>>>> the globalist theocrats who have largely funded the 911 Orwellian
>>>> "Truth" movement, to provide an All Necks in One Noose brand of
>>>>
> "unity"
>
>>>> as half-truth front man lie-proper to feed the schnookies freshened
>>>>
>>>>
>>> up lies.
>>>
>>>
>>>> If I had read Nico's message "joke" I would have pounded him for it.
>>>> Becoming another brand of "Liars For Truth" carrying false flags
>>>>
> just
>
>>>> cos it has worked so well so far is nothing I could indorse even in
>>>>
>>>>
>>> jest.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The remark was apparently in reference to Greg Nixon's poster, which
>>>> some Hoffman fan made for him.
>>>> In retrospect, I think I didn't take it seriously enough either.
>>>>
> Here's
>
>>>> what I wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC: my pleading up at
>>>>
> DC Indy
>
>>>> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:47:17 -0600
>>>> From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not bitching or nuthin.
>>>> I Hail Eris the Goddess of Chaos Equally in Triumph and Despair.
>>>> Yay for whatever turns up.
>>>> It's a good looking poster.
>>>> I'm just saying that people look at the Hoffman addresses and do
>>>>
> their
>
>>>> normal nod routine.
>>>> This is good.
>>>>
>>>> They may not even read that the target is Spitzer, hero of braindead
>>>>
>>>>
>>> New
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yorkers about to be rewarded for his coverup expertise like
>>>>
> generations
>
>>>> of crusading prosecutors.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't be surprised if Hoffman crawls out of his cave to issue a
>>>> cease and desist!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg Nixon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The web sites were not my choosing but that of an activist in SF
>>>>> who sent me it. Since I am a complete retard with computers and too
>>>>> overwhelmed with othe work to learn now, I had to run with the
>>>>> existing one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
>>>>> <webfairy@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think, since your poster flies Jim Hoffman's colors, you will
>>>>>> have little trouble getting it posted.
>>>>>> With good fortune, the event shall be a great embarrassment to him.
>>>>>> Your poster is rubbed with the spoor of the Perp Central inside
>>>>>> jobbers running both sides.
>>>>>> This will cause great confusion.
>>>>>> teehee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg Nixon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> jfetzer@ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Nico,
>>>>>
>>>>> We agree that someone's behavior is disgusting and irresponsible,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> but not on
>>>
>>>
>>>>> which of us that would be. Others can readily sort out the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> evidence in this
>>>
>>>
>>>>> case. Anyone who thinks this was a "joke" is not going to have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> the ghost of
>>>
>>>
>>>>> a chance actually figuring out what happened on 9/11 or anything
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> else, alas!
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I cannot imagine why anyone should continue to take you seriously.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> I don't.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting Nico Haupt <nicohaupt2@>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If the Village Voice or NY TIMES writes about it, i don't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> care, but
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe it
>>>>>> > would be cool infowar and a mainstream media stunt, if we claim,
>>>>>> 911Scholars
>>>>>> > for Truth are one of the organizers or endorsers as well,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> ROFL!!! :)
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Greg could pretend he didn't know about the scam. Someone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> maybe should
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> > really fake a last minute flyer: 911Scholars and Jim Fetzer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> present Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> > Nixon + Co. :)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> Is it your defense that Cathy Garger was the source and that you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> had nothing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> to do with this? I am sure everyone will find your explanation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> fascinating!
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Jim<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> let me put it this way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is sad enough that you neither endorsed Ben Pritchard OR Greg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Nixon.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> When you asked me if i suggested a leaflet, "presented by
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> 911Scholars", this
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> was actually a joke many weeks ago, with some hope, that you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> would still cave
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> in and actually really endorse Greg Nixon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone picked up this joke, then please make this person
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> responsible,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> not me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In times, when comedians like Jon Stewart have apparently more
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> impact on the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> leftwing, it is more than irritating, that you take your job so
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> seriously.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile i figured out, who actually printed the leaflet.
>>>>>> It was Luke, a supporter of ny911truth.org, who once also
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> organized the Loose
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Change II -event. I think, he did also a great promotion for Greg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> and you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> should be thankful that he added your link.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ironically also ny911truth.org decided not to promote Greg's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> event until last
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> thursday, and only under strong criticism and way too late, to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> get at least
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> 200 people to Ground Zero.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Luke (i forgot his last name now) did NOT stage or imply that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> your group
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> present Greg's event, but added by good will a link to your and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Jim Hoffman's
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your behavior is embarrassing and incredible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now you also decided to remove Ben Pritchard?
>>>>>> That should speak for yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is disgusting and irresponsible behavior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My respect for your cause reached almost zero now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope, the other members will figure out now, to correct this
>>>>>>
> ASAP.
>
>>>>>> nico aka ewing2001
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jfetzer@ wrote: (1) The purpose of Scholars for 9/11 Truth is
>>>>>> provided on our web site at
>>>>>> http://www.st911.org under the heading, "Who are we?", which is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> as follows:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T) is a non-partisan association
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> of faculty,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> students, and scholars, in fields as diverse as history, science,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> military
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> affairs, psychology, and philosophy, dedicated to exposing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> falsehoods and to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> revealing truths behind 9/11.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The members of S9/11T are encouraged to take an active role by
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> devoting
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> themselves to reporting the results of research on 9/11 to the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> nation and the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> world by means of lectures, articles, and other venues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S9/11T members are convinced their research proves the current
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> administration
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> has been dishonest about what happened in New York and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Washington, D.C.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> These experts contend that books and articles by members and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> other associates
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> have established that the World Trade Center was almost certainly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> brought
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> down
>>>>>> by controlled demolitions and that the available relevant
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> evidence casts
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> grave
>>>>>> doubt on the government's official story about the attack on the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Pentagon.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> They believe that the government not only permitted 9/11 to occur
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> but may
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> have orchestrated these events to facilitate its political agenda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S9/11T encourages its members to vigorously express their
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> concerns on this
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> score
>>>>>> through lectures, conferences, symposia, articles, and books as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> well as other
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> access routes that publicize their findings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Founded by professors Jim Fetzer and Steven Jones, S9/11T is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> devoted to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> applying
>>>>>> the principles of scientific reasoning to the available evidence,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> "letting
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> chips fall where they may".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently, S9/11T has four categories of members: full members
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> (FM), who have
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> have had academic appointments or the equivalent; associate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> members (AM), who
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> have backgrounds and interests relevant to 9/11 research; and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> student members
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> (SM), who are concerned about these issues and want to pursue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> them. The
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> special
>>>>>> category of society associate (SA) exists for others who wish to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> publicly
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> support the association.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (2) The relationship between the members and the society is not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> symmetrical,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> which means that, while the members endorse and support the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> purposes and the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> goals of the society, the society does not therefore endorse or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> support the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> purposes and goals of each of its members. The society is not an
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> "activist"
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> organization, for example, even thought many of its members are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> devoted to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> taking "activist" measures. We are devoted to discovering the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> truth about
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> 9/11 and disseminating that information was widely as possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Otherwise,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> we trust the good judgment of the American people and, indeed,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> the people of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> the world to take those actions they consider to be most
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> appropriate under
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> the circumstances. Moreover, measuring the "degree of purity" of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> beliefs of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> our members relative to your own subjective yardstick not only
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> qualifies as
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> blatant bias but begs the question: what entitles you to assume
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> that YOUR
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> BELIEFS about 9/11 are better founded or more defensive than
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> THEIRS? This
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> conduct on your part has obvious political motivation and little
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> or nothing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> to do with exposing the false and revealing the truth about event
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> of 9/11.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> (3) It fascinates me that you should cite Benjamin Pritchard, who
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> misused
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> the name of the society in promoting an event to which we were
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> unrelated.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> As a consequence, I suspended him from the organization. If you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> were not
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> in such a great rush to smear S9/11T, perhaps you would have
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> noticed that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> his name is not listed as a member. Here is some related
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> correspondence:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:37:07 -0600 (CST)
>>>>>> From: james fetzer
>>>>>> To: ben@
>>>>>> Subject: Re: "Naked" Press Release; Scholars for 9/11 Truth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Benjamin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are a group of scholars, not naked activists, so I would
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> respectfully
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> request that you not identify Scholars for 9/11 Truth with this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> stunt.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I appreciate what you are trying to do; I hope you can appreciate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> what we
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> are trying to do--and that our methods will not always coincide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Attorney@ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Benjamin, I think your PRWeb press release "9/11 Activists
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> Planning to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Get
>>>>>> Naked' to Get the Mainstream Media's Attention" is funny:
>>>>>> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060208/nyw163.html?.v=34
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, since you are prominently using the name Scholars for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> 9/11 Truth
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the release, I think you should run it by the group's co-chairs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Jim and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Steve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:13:10 -0600
>>>>>> From: jfetzer@
>>>>>> To: benjamin pritchard
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Naked?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Benjamin Pritchard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is to notify you that your name has been removed from the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> membership
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> rolls for Scholars for 9/11 Truth. If you wish to offer a case
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> for your
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> reinstatement, you may do so by return email to this list within
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> 24 hours.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> James H. Fetzer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (4) I find it interesting that you deny having suggested
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> creating a false
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> press release to smear S9/11T. Quoting Nico Haupt :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the record, i am NOT the "same Nico Haupt who suggested
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> creating
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> false
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> news releases to tie S9/11T to an event in New York".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am aware, that someone in NY printed some leaflets to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> promote the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> event
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of Greg Nixon, but that wasn't me. I have a) no money for this,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> b) no time
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> c) not the skills for thsi graphic design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that is the case, then perhaps you could kindly explain the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> following post
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> from a group calling itself "911InsideJobbers", which includes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> your name as a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> member. Are you going to persist in denying that you made such a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> suggestion
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> or that the issues you are raising here are consistent with the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> exchange that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> is recorded in this post? You appear to have no principles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> whatsoever and to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> be completely unscrupulous. Would you like to revise your
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> statement, Nico?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht ---
>>>>>>>> Von: Cathy Garger
>>>>>>>> An: Nico Haupt , 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [ny911] NY 911 Truth Update
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> 2-6-06
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Datum: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:05:04 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The most important outcome of Greg Nixon's event will be THIS TIME
>>>>>>> not the masses of support, but the symbolical approach and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> enough internet
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> media to reflect it. In the best scenario an embarrassed Amy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> Goodman will
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> yell at the crowd and stir more confusion, i hope the same for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> ANSWER.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> What the rightwingers depend, i don't expect much reaction. A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> protest at
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NY TIMES is just to get some hot air for sheeple walking next by.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the Village Voice or NY TIMES writes about it, i don't care,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> but maybe
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> would be cool infowar and a mainstream media stunt, if we claim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 911Scholars
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for Truth are one of the organizers or endorsers as well,
>>>>>>>
> ROFL!!! :)
>
>>>>>>> Greg could pretend he didn't know about the scam. Someone maybe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> should
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> really fake a last minute flyer: 911Scholars and Jim Fetzer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> present Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Nixon + Co. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it your defense that Cathy Garger was the source and that you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> had nothing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> to do with this? I am sure everyone will find your explanation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> fascinating!
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
>>>>>> Founder and Co-chair
>>>>>> Scholars for 9/11 Truth
>>>>>> http://www.st911.org
>>>>>> http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if this is the only response you could come up with it, then it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> appears to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> of the same arrogance you supplied at the last time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the record, i am NOT the "same Nico Haupt who suggested
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> creating false
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> news releases to tie S9/11T to an event in New York".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am aware, that someone in NY printed some leaflets to promote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> the event
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg Nixon, but that wasn't me. I have a) no money for this, b)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> no time c)
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> not the skills for thsi graphic design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also didn't suggest to add these two links, even critized it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> at the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> beginning, when i heard about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, my effort was to analyse all members of your group, as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> close as
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> possible and i still believe, it would be irresponsible not to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> use your
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> influence in mainstream media not to add any political and
>>>>>>>
> activist
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> at this point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you also didn't respect so far is, that without the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> groundbreaking
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> efforts of my former group, "9/11 science and justice alliance"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> (2002-2006),
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> co-founded with Jeff "Plaguepuppy" King. there wouldn't have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> been the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Walter/Hufschmid-tandem, David Ray Griffin, Craig Hill, WING TV,
>>>>>>> 911physics.net, or your group.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, i pointed out from the beginning, that our phsyical
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> research is
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> nothing worth if it is not picked up and put into action by
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> activist
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or independent media projects and related media stunts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore your group is not going to the next level as well
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> and remain as
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> pure awareness PR only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you really believe, that is enough to stop a world war
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> between US,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Russia and China or the pending threat against Iran?
>>>>>>> Where is your stand, when it comes to confront phoney anti-war
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> speakers?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Why didn't you endorse Greg Nixon's event? Why didn't you send
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> a student
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> delegetion, connected with your student members of the group?
>>>>>>> Where is your support of the project of Ben Pritchard (an
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> associated
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> member of your group) , 911nakedforthe truth and why didn't you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> combine
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> forces with him and Greg yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I gave you the benefit of a doubt, that you're going into the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> right
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> direction, but i listened also closely to your last three
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> interviews and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> couldn't hear anything which point on more than just being another
>>>>>>> 'awareness' group.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am aware, that i occasionally also let my emotions flow, but
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> that is a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> response on people in this movement who just show nothing else
>>>>>>>
> than
>
>>>>>>> arrogance and ignorance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The correspondence with you so far reminds me of the early
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> days with Kyle
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Hence, who showed the same attitude.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove, that you're not going into the same direction like
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> 911truth.org.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> PS: Nothing is "bizarre" as you often pointed out in some
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> interviews.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> The real 9/11 perps calculated confusion and paradoxes to
>>>>>>>
> design
>
>>>>>>> diversions on purpose, including in a possible "opposition".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That includes a sloppy job on pentagon and other details
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> regarding
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> alleged
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cell phone talks or sloppery in their electronic video
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> manipulations on
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> sep11th.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jfetzer@ wrote: Nico,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not to belabor the obvious, but you are not a member of S9/11T,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> so I have
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> no idea what you think you are doing. If your purpose is NOT to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> sabotage
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> or undermine the society, I can't imagine what it could be? I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> have been
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> resistant to those who have advised me that you are a very nasty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> and very
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> unscrupulous person, but I am finding it more and more difficult
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> to deny
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> that they appear to be right and I wrong to give you benefit of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> the doubt.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Aren't you the same Nico Haupt who suggested creating false news
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> releases
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> to tie S9/11T to an event in New York in order to tarnish our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> reputation?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Was that another example of your efforts to "restructure and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> refocus" us?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quoting Nico Haupt :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks for your point and i'm actually glad that you respond
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> back,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> but as you recall, i put you up in my "biggest hope" category.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My point is not to sabotage or offend the group, but to waken
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> up into
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> another direction with a possible restructure and refocus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am also curious about what else you have to say, especially
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> also
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>>> PR strategy and particular activist projects and contents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please send me any material about how you think, your own
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> personal
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> spirit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and background can improve the group of 911Scholars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> nico aka ewing2001
>>>>>>>> team8plus.org
>>>>>>>> 911Inside Jobber Yahoogroup
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS: Lori, i'm not sure if you responded to me,
>>>>>>>> but i think, i had no 9 million pages in my reply, just a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> listings
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 48
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>> I think netiquette is often not clear, if you should add the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> original
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> content again.
>>>>>>>> I think in this point it's probably not necessary, if you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> don't correct
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> quote particular paragraphs and skip the others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone, who would like to unsubscribe from this list, please
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> I only decided to include some guests, but respect if the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 911scholars can continue without harrassing any other visitors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I might add a link with my analysis on the group at
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> portland.indymedia.org,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in the 9/11 section very soon where people can individually
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:27:35 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]

I don't mind being called names, personally. I just don't feel
comfortable calling other people names (in anger, anyway).

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> Some people would rather die than be called names.
> I'm not one of them.
> Planehuggers, or in this case, Entire Official Story Huggers, run out
> of evidence fast, so all they've got to work with is personal attack,
> lies and intimidation. When those weapons do no harm, they're S.O.L.
> They (accidentally) help us build a really tight case, since they're
> always probing for every flaw.
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > I see what you mean. Thanks. It is just that I have never been
> > comfortable with name-calling and personal attacks. It is fun to
> > watch sometimes-- I just feel uncomfortable doing it myself.
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It beats "All Necks In One Noose" as everybody makes phoney
polite talk
> >> while backstabbing.
> >>
> >> Yay for right up front and honest where you're coming from.
> >>
> >> It is purely theoretical that people really can change their
mind, but
> >> if you don't know what their mind is, they can hide the lie behind a
> >> cheshire cat smile.
> >>
> >> The insults are part of the debate style.
> >> Blacks on streetcorners used to call it "The Dozens" probably for
the
> >> dozens of insults.
> >>
> >> Super, super debate ought to be studied by all folks serious:
> >> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/01/332076.html
> >> You can see how insult is built into the format.
> >>
> >> Holmgren is debating a tag-team pair with the sort of interrogation
> >> skills expected of Guantanamo.
> >>
> >> It is working out fine, tho, cos the nature of Socratic Debate
uncovers
> >> truth despite the motivation of potential despoilers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> alexldent wrote:
> >>
> >>> Man, I really wish everyone would chill out, especially Fetzer.
> >>> There's no reason to hurl insults around.
> >>>
> >>> What a mess.
> >>>
> >>> "why can't we all just get along?" :P
> >>>
> >>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>>> Subject: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"
> >>>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:06:05 -0600
> >>>> From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> >>>> Organization: Grassy Knoll Associates
> >>>> To: jfetzer@
> >>>> References: <20060220213823.27207.qmail@>
> >>>> <1140474068.70c6cd07982d8@>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://team8plus.org
> >>>> This is why to take Nico Seriously.
> >>>> This is an incredible collection of research on the war games and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> terror
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> drills that just "happened" to be scheduled for 911.
> >>>> This site hosts radar information which confirms that "planes"
never
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> got
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> near New York and all sorts of stuff Nico's team has assembled
> >>>>
> > over the
> >
> >>>> past four plus years.
> >>>>
> >>>> I try to maintain hope that the goal is not to spin up a fiction to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> suit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> the globalist theocrats who have largely funded the 911 Orwellian
> >>>> "Truth" movement, to provide an All Necks in One Noose brand of
> >>>>
> > "unity"
> >
> >>>> as half-truth front man lie-proper to feed the schnookies freshened
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> up lies.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> If I had read Nico's message "joke" I would have pounded him
for it.
> >>>> Becoming another brand of "Liars For Truth" carrying false flags
> >>>>
> > just
> >
> >>>> cos it has worked so well so far is nothing I could indorse even in
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> jest.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> The remark was apparently in reference to Greg Nixon's poster,
which
> >>>> some Hoffman fan made for him.
> >>>> In retrospect, I think I didn't take it seriously enough either.
> >>>>
> > Here's
> >
> >>>> what I wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>>> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC: my pleading up at
> >>>>
> > DC Indy
> >
> >>>> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:47:17 -0600
> >>>> From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not bitching or nuthin.
> >>>> I Hail Eris the Goddess of Chaos Equally in Triumph and Despair.
> >>>> Yay for whatever turns up.
> >>>> It's a good looking poster.
> >>>> I'm just saying that people look at the Hoffman addresses and do
> >>>>
> > their
> >
> >>>> normal nod routine.
> >>>> This is good.
> >>>>
> >>>> They may not even read that the target is Spitzer, hero of
braindead
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> New
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Yorkers about to be rewarded for his coverup expertise like
> >>>>
> > generations
> >
> >>>> of crusading prosecutors.
> >>>>
> >>>> I wouldn't be surprised if Hoffman crawls out of his cave to
issue a
> >>>> cease and desist!!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Greg Nixon wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> The web sites were not my choosing but that of an activist in SF
> >>>>> who sent me it. Since I am a complete retard with computers
and too
> >>>>> overwhelmed with othe work to learn now, I had to run with the
> >>>>> existing one.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> >>>>> <webfairy@> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I think, since your poster flies Jim Hoffman's colors, you will
> >>>>>> have little trouble getting it posted.
> >>>>>> With good fortune, the event shall be a great embarrassment
to him.
> >>>>>> Your poster is rubbed with the spoor of the Perp Central inside
> >>>>>> jobbers running both sides.
> >>>>>> This will cause great confusion.
> >>>>>> teehee.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Greg Nixon wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> jfetzer@ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Nico,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We agree that someone's behavior is disgusting and irresponsible,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> but not on
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> which of us that would be. Others can readily sort out the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> evidence in this
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> case. Anyone who thinks this was a "joke" is not going to have
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> the ghost of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> a chance actually figuring out what happened on 9/11 or anything
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> else, alas!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> I cannot imagine why anyone should continue to take you seriously.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> I don't.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> Jim
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Quoting Nico Haupt <nicohaupt2@>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If the Village Voice or NY TIMES writes about it, i don't
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> care, but
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> maybe it
> >>>>>> > would be cool infowar and a mainstream media stunt, if we
claim,
> >>>>>> 911Scholars
> >>>>>> > for Truth are one of the organizers or endorsers as well,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> ROFL!!! :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Greg could pretend he didn't know about the scam. Someone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> maybe should
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> > really fake a last minute flyer: 911Scholars and Jim Fetzer
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> present Greg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> > Nixon + Co. :)
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> Is it your defense that Cathy Garger was the source and that you
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> had nothing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> to do with this? I am sure everyone will find your explanation
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> fascinating!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Jim<<<
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> let me put it this way.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is sad enough that you neither endorsed Ben Pritchard OR Greg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> Nixon.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> When you asked me if i suggested a leaflet, "presented by
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> 911Scholars", this
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> was actually a joke many weeks ago, with some hope, that you
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> would still cave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> in and actually really endorse Greg Nixon.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If someone picked up this joke, then please make this person
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> responsible,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> not me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In times, when comedians like Jon Stewart have apparently more
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> impact on the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> leftwing, it is more than irritating, that you take your job so
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> seriously.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Meanwhile i figured out, who actually printed the leaflet.
> >>>>>> It was Luke, a supporter of ny911truth.org, who once also
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> organized the Loose
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Change II -event. I think, he did also a great promotion for Greg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> and you
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> should be thankful that he added your link.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ironically also ny911truth.org decided not to promote Greg's
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> event until last
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> thursday, and only under strong criticism and way too late, to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> get at least
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> 200 people to Ground Zero.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Luke (i forgot his last name now) did NOT stage or imply that
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> your group
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> present Greg's event, but added by good will a link to your and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> Jim Hoffman's
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> website.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your behavior is embarrassing and incredible.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now you also decided to remove Ben Pritchard?
> >>>>>> That should speak for yourself.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is disgusting and irresponsible behavior.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My respect for your cause reached almost zero now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I hope, the other members will figure out now, to correct this
> >>>>>>
> > ASAP.
> >
> >>>>>> nico aka ewing2001
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> jfetzer@ wrote: (1) The purpose of Scholars for 9/11 Truth is
> >>>>>> provided on our web site at
> >>>>>> http://www.st911.org under the heading, "Who are we?", which is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> as follows:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T) is a non-partisan association
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> of faculty,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> students, and scholars, in fields as diverse as history, science,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> military
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> affairs, psychology, and philosophy, dedicated to exposing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> falsehoods and to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> revealing truths behind 9/11.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The members of S9/11T are encouraged to take an active role by
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> devoting
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> themselves to reporting the results of research on 9/11 to the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> nation and the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> world by means of lectures, articles, and other venues.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> S9/11T members are convinced their research proves the current
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> administration
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> has been dishonest about what happened in New York and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> Washington, D.C.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> These experts contend that books and articles by members and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> other associates
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> have established that the World Trade Center was almost certainly
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> brought
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> down
> >>>>>> by controlled demolitions and that the available relevant
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> evidence casts
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> grave
> >>>>>> doubt on the government's official story about the attack on the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> Pentagon.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> They believe that the government not only permitted 9/11 to occur
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> but may
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> even
> >>>>>> have orchestrated these events to facilitate its political
agenda.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> S9/11T encourages its members to vigorously express their
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> concerns on this
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> score
> >>>>>> through lectures, conferences, symposia, articles, and books as
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> well as other
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> access routes that publicize their findings.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Founded by professors Jim Fetzer and Steven Jones, S9/11T is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> devoted to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> applying
> >>>>>> the principles of scientific reasoning to the available evidence,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> "letting
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> chips fall where they may".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Currently, S9/11T has four categories of members: full members
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> (FM), who have
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>> have had academic appointments or the equivalent; associate
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> members (AM), who
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> have backgrounds and interests relevant to 9/11 research; and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> student members
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> (SM), who are concerned about these issues and want to pursue
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> them. The
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> special
> >>>>>> category of society associate (SA) exists for others who wish to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> publicly
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> support the association.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (2) The relationship between the members and the society is not
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> symmetrical,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> which means that, while the members endorse and support the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> purposes and the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> goals of the society, the society does not therefore endorse or
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> support the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> purposes and goals of each of its members. The society is not an
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> "activist"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> organization, for example, even thought many of its members are
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> devoted to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> taking "activist" measures. We are devoted to discovering the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> truth about
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> 9/11 and disseminating that information was widely as possible.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> Otherwise,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> we trust the good judgment of the American people and, indeed,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> the people of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> the world to take those actions they consider to be most
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> appropriate under
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> the circumstances. Moreover, measuring the "degree of purity" of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> beliefs of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> our members relative to your own subjective yardstick not only
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> qualifies as
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> blatant bias but begs the question: what entitles you to assume
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> that YOUR
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> BELIEFS about 9/11 are better founded or more defensive than
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> THEIRS? This
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> conduct on your part has obvious political motivation and little
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> or nothing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> to do with exposing the false and revealing the truth about event
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> of 9/11.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> (3) It fascinates me that you should cite Benjamin Pritchard, who
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> misused
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> the name of the society in promoting an event to which we were
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> unrelated.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> As a consequence, I suspended him from the organization. If you
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> were not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> in such a great rush to smear S9/11T, perhaps you would have
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> noticed that
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> his name is not listed as a member. Here is some related
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> correspondence:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:37:07 -0600 (CST)
> >>>>>> From: james fetzer
> >>>>>> To: ben@
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: "Naked" Press Release; Scholars for 9/11 Truth
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Benjamin,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We are a group of scholars, not naked activists, so I would
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> respectfully
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> request that you not identify Scholars for 9/11 Truth with this
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> stunt.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> I appreciate what you are trying to do; I hope you can appreciate
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> what we
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> are trying to do--and that our methods will not always coincide.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Good luck!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Attorney@ wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Benjamin, I think your PRWeb press release "9/11 Activists
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> Planning to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> 'Get
> >>>>>> Naked' to Get the Mainstream Media's Attention" is funny:
> >>>>>> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060208/nyw163.html?.v=34
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> However, since you are prominently using the name Scholars for
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> 9/11 Truth
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> the release, I think you should run it by the group's co-chairs,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> Jim and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Steve.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:13:10 -0600
> >>>>>> From: jfetzer@
> >>>>>> To: benjamin pritchard
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Naked?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Benjamin Pritchard,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is to notify you that your name has been removed from the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> membership
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> rolls for Scholars for 9/11 Truth. If you wish to offer a case
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> for your
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> reinstatement, you may do so by return email to this list within
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> 24 hours.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> James H. Fetzer
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (4) I find it interesting that you deny having suggested
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> creating a false
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> press release to smear S9/11T. Quoting Nico Haupt :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jim,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> . . .
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For the record, i am NOT the "same Nico Haupt who suggested
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> creating
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> false
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> news releases to tie S9/11T to an event in New York".
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am aware, that someone in NY printed some leaflets to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> promote the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> event
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> of Greg Nixon, but that wasn't me. I have a) no money for this,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> b) no time
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> c) not the skills for thsi graphic design.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> If that is the case, then perhaps you could kindly explain the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> following post
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> from a group calling itself "911InsideJobbers", which includes
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> your name as a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> member. Are you going to persist in denying that you made such a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> suggestion
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> or that the issues you are raising here are consistent with the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> exchange that
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> is recorded in this post? You appear to have no principles
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> whatsoever and to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> be completely unscrupulous. Would you like to revise your
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> statement, Nico?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht ---
> >>>>>>>> Von: Cathy Garger
> >>>>>>>> An: Nico Haupt , 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [ny911] NY 911 Truth Update
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> 2-6-06
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Datum: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:05:04 -0800 (PST)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The most important outcome of Greg Nixon's event will be
THIS TIME
> >>>>>>> not the masses of support, but the symbolical approach and
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> enough internet
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> media to reflect it. In the best scenario an embarrassed Amy
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> Goodman will
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> yell at the crowd and stir more confusion, i hope the same for
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> ANSWER.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> What the rightwingers depend, i don't expect much reaction. A
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> protest at
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> NY TIMES is just to get some hot air for sheeple walking
next by.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If the Village Voice or NY TIMES writes about it, i don't care,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> but maybe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> would be cool infowar and a mainstream media stunt, if we claim,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> 911Scholars
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> for Truth are one of the organizers or endorsers as well,
> >>>>>>>
> > ROFL!!! :)
> >
> >>>>>>> Greg could pretend he didn't know about the scam. Someone maybe
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> should
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> really fake a last minute flyer: 911Scholars and Jim Fetzer
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> present Greg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Nixon + Co. :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is it your defense that Cathy Garger was the source and that you
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> had nothing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> to do with this? I am sure everyone will find your explanation
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> fascinating!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
> >>>>>> Founder and Co-chair
> >>>>>> Scholars for 9/11 Truth
> >>>>>> http://www.st911.org
> >>>>>> http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >
_____________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Jim,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> if this is the only response you could come up with it, then it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> appears to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> me
> >>>>>> of the same arrogance you supplied at the last time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For the record, i am NOT the "same Nico Haupt who suggested
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> creating false
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> news releases to tie S9/11T to an event in New York".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am aware, that someone in NY printed some leaflets to promote
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> the event
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Greg Nixon, but that wasn't me. I have a) no money for this, b)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> no time c)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> not the skills for thsi graphic design.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I also didn't suggest to add these two links, even critized it
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> at the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> beginning, when i heard about it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Again, my effort was to analyse all members of your group, as
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> close as
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> possible and i still believe, it would be irresponsible not to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> use your
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> influence in mainstream media not to add any political and
> >>>>>>>
> > activist
> >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> message
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> at this point.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What you also didn't respect so far is, that without the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> groundbreaking
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> efforts of my former group, "9/11 science and justice alliance"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> (2002-2006),
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> co-founded with Jeff "Plaguepuppy" King. there wouldn't have
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> been the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Walter/Hufschmid-tandem, David Ray Griffin, Craig Hill,
WING TV,
> >>>>>>> 911physics.net, or your group.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Again, i pointed out from the beginning, that our phsyical
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> research is
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> nothing worth if it is not picked up and put into action by
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> activist
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> groups
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> or independent media projects and related media stunts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Therefore your group is not going to the next level as well
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> and remain as
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> pure awareness PR only.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Are you really believe, that is enough to stop a world war
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> between US,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Russia and China or the pending threat against Iran?
> >>>>>>> Where is your stand, when it comes to confront phoney anti-war
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> speakers?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Why didn't you endorse Greg Nixon's event? Why didn't you send
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> a student
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> delegetion, connected with your student members of the group?
> >>>>>>> Where is your support of the project of Ben Pritchard (an
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> associated
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> member of your group) , 911nakedforthe truth and why didn't you
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> combine
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> forces with him and Greg yet?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I gave you the benefit of a doubt, that you're going into the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> right
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> direction, but i listened also closely to your last three
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> interviews and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> couldn't hear anything which point on more than just being
another
> >>>>>>> 'awareness' group.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am aware, that i occasionally also let my emotions flow, but
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> that is a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> response on people in this movement who just show nothing else
> >>>>>>>
> > than
> >
> >>>>>>> arrogance and ignorance.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The correspondence with you so far reminds me of the early
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> days with Kyle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Hence, who showed the same attitude.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Prove, that you're not going into the same direction like
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> 911truth.org.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> PS: Nothing is "bizarre" as you often pointed out in some
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> interviews.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> The real 9/11 perps calculated confusion and paradoxes to
> >>>>>>>
> > design
> >
> >>>>>>> diversions on purpose, including in a possible "opposition".
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That includes a sloppy job on pentagon and other details
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> regarding
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> alleged
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> cell phone talks or sloppery in their electronic video
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> manipulations on
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> sep11th.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> jfetzer@ wrote: Nico,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Not to belabor the obvious, but you are not a member of S9/11T,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> so I have
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> no idea what you think you are doing. If your purpose is NOT to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> sabotage
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> or undermine the society, I can't imagine what it could be? I
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> have been
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> resistant to those who have advised me that you are a very nasty
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> and very
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> unscrupulous person, but I am finding it more and more difficult
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> to deny
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> that they appear to be right and I wrong to give you benefit of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> the doubt.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Aren't you the same Nico Haupt who suggested creating false news
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> releases
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> to tie S9/11T to an event in New York in order to tarnish our
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> reputation?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Was that another example of your efforts to "restructure and
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> refocus" us?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Quoting Nico Haupt :
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> David,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> thanks for your point and i'm actually glad that you respond
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> back,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> but as you recall, i put you up in my "biggest hope"
category.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My point is not to sabotage or offend the group, but to waken
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> up into
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> another direction with a possible restructure and refocus.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I am also curious about what else you have to say, especially
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> also
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> regarding
> >>>>>>>> PR strategy and particular activist projects and contents.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please send me any material about how you think, your own
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> personal
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> spirit
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> and background can improve the group of 911Scholars.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> respectfully,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> nico aka ewing2001
> >>>>>>>> team8plus.org
> >>>>>>>> 911Inside Jobber Yahoogroup
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> PS: Lori, i'm not sure if you responded to me,
> >>>>>>>> but i think, i had no 9 million pages in my reply, just a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> listings
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> about
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 48
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> people.
> >>>>>>>> I think netiquette is often not clear, if you should add the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> original
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> content again.
> >>>>>>>> I think in this point it's probably not necessary, if you
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> don't correct
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> quote particular paragraphs and skip the others.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Anyone, who would like to unsubscribe from this list, please
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> do so.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> I only decided to include some guests, but respect if the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> debate among
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 911scholars can continue without harrassing any other visitors.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I might add a link with my analysis on the group at
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> portland.indymedia.org,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> in the 9/11 section very soon where people can individually
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> respond.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---------------------------------
> >>>>>> Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, &
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> more on new
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> and used cars.
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:28:45 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof

Second hit approach path analysis:

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/at-least-one-of-these-videos-must-be.html

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:10:51 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof

I hope you can add more versions!!
Each one is doing it's own thing.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/2hit

alexldent wrote:
> Second hit approach path analysis:
>
> http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/at-least-one-of-these-videos-must-be.html
>
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:39:07 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof

I did a quick look at some others, and you're right-- they are all a little different.
For these two ("Blue Plane" and "Big Fake") it really was the most striking.

By the way, what is your link for that long shot from the side from CNN, where
the perspective doesn't change? Your name for it is "jetcrash" or something
like that. I always have trouble finding that clip.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> I hope you can add more versions!!
> Each one is doing it's own thing.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/2hit
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > Second hit approach path analysis:
> >
> > http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/at-least-one-of-these-
videos-must-be.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:43:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Cathy Garger <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
Subject: Yesterday's NYC March for 9/11 Truth

Just now got in the door after my trip to be with Greg & Friends up in NYC for the March for 9/11 Truth.

I will not even share how much, in terms of dollars and cents, that that trip set me back. (I could have flown to Florida for the weekend instead of braving 20-something frigid temps and a way-overpriced tiny hotel room in NYC)... But please know that it was worth every single penny - and then some.

If there were any of you present and I did not introduce myself? My apologies - I just did not know who you were. But if you saw me there, you saw that there was no place else I would have rather been than with my Internet (now real-life) friends, Greg Nixon and Jolly Roger. (not to forget, I also made a bunch of other delightful new friends - from Delaware, NJ, and NY - one more caring about getting out the truth than the next).

Talk about an awesome event.

While we were not an exceedingly large number (my guess is that we may have had approximately 50 people, all total), the energy of the crowd was unreal. We were mostly older folks (that is, the 30something to 60something set, I'd say) but a march filled with 18 year olds could not have been more passionate - nor more energetic.

It is hard to capture with words what was truly one of the most fulfilling days I can recall. While the 9/24 march of approximately 300,000 in DC was by far a more grand and spectacular event? Yesterday's 9/11 March in NYC was far more emotional an experience for this truth activist.

Each one of us chanted and educated, we screamed from our hearts the very outrage and utter disgust we may have been bottling up inside for, like - forever. And admittedly while Amy Goodman, Rudi Guiliani, the folks from the NY Times and Elliott Spitzer were not available (ahem) to see us? We shouted long and passionately outside their doors and windows. I have no doubt whatsoever that each person inside each of the buildings heard us on the sidewalk below. (Oh - a tiny note - We got the honour of Amy Goodman waving down at us regally from her window above us. No doubt she was afraid to come down and chat)...

The star du jour, of course, was the brainchild and organizer of the event, Greg Nixon. I will never, as long as I live, forget the way that Greg's voice boomed his insinuations (every one justified, in my opinion) at each of the left gatekeepers who serve to keep the truth from our citizens. Greg put his total heart and soul into the event and watching his passion and outrage in action is truly something I will never forget.

To all those who are reading this, please know that as I see it, yesterday's event woke up thousands of New Yorkers on the streets in the three hours that we walked and then, finally, found our final "camp" at a huge NYC public library. The looks on the faces of the residents and workers of NY were a sight to behold - Most looked puzzled, some nodded in agreement, some were downright angry and insinuated that we were all crazy, but one young man (looked like he might have been from a small Midwest town) spoke with me for a moment and his face became as white as a ghost as he said, "Nooooooo waaaaaaaayyyyyy." But in that look (you know that *holy s*&% look)... that he "got" our message and went home to Kansas (or wherever) a changed (albeit shaken) young man.

Huge thanks to Greg Nixon for spearheading yesterday's AWESOME event!!! Never have I been to any march, protest, etc., where so relatively few people accomplished so tremendously much. Thanks also rightfully go to all of NY9/11truth, who supported us, brought along many participants, and carried a huge banner that said "9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB." And also, credit and thanks to Les Jamieson, who arranged for the film crew from the Netherlands to change the scheduled plan and be with us to film our event (rather than another event on Saturday). No doubt our overseas friends will get to have a special glimpse into American outrage at its grittiest!

And during a late lunch that included many organizers, something tells me that yesterday's one day event was only the beginning for many 9/11 truth activists.

Cathy Garger
Maryland

The world can only be redeemed through action--movement -- motion. Uncoerced, unbribed and unbought, humanity will move toward the light.
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:18:25 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Cathy Carger's report about Greg Nixon protest

Cathy Carger is member of both 9/11 Truth Action and 9/11 Inside Jobbers

cathy wrote:
Just now got in the door after my trip to be with Greg & Friends up in NYC
for the March for 9/11 Truth.

I will not even share how much, in terms of dollars and cents, that that
trip set me back. (I could have flown to Florida for the weekend instead of
braving 20-something frigid temps and a way-overpriced tiny hotel room in
NYC)... But please know that it was worth every single penny - and then
some.

If there were any of you present and I did not introduce myself? My
apologies - I just did not know who you were. But if you saw me there, you
saw that there was no place else I would have rather been than with my
Internet (now real-life) friends, Greg Nixon and Jolly Roger. (not to
forget, I also made a bunch of other delightful new friends - from Delaware,
NJ, and NY - one more caring about getting out the truth than the next).

Talk about an awesome event.

While we were not an exceedingly large number (my guess is that we may
have had approximately 50 people, all total), the energy of the crowd was
unreal. We were mostly older folks (that is, the 30something to 60something
set, I'd say) but a march filled with 18 year olds could not have been more
passionate - nor more energetic.

It is hard to capture with words what was truly one of the most fulfilling
days I can recall. While the 9/24 march of approximately 300,000 in DC was
by far a more grand and spectacular event? Yesterday's 9/11 March in NYC
was far more emotional an experience for this truth activist.

Each one of us chanted and educated, we screamed from our hearts the very
outrage and utter disgust we may have been bottling up inside for, like -
forever. And admittedly while Amy Goodman, Rudi Guiliani, the folks from
the NY Times and Elliott Spitzer were not available (ahem) to see us? We
shouted long and passionately outside their doors and windows. I have no
doubt whatsoever that each person inside each of the buildings heard us on
the sidewalk below. (Oh - a tiny note - We got the honour of Amy Goodman
waving down at us regally from her window above us. No doubt she was afraid
to come down and chat)...

The star du jour, of course, was the brainchild and organizer of the
event, Greg Nixon. I will never, as long as I live, forget the way that
Greg's voice boomed his insinuations (every one justified, in my opinion) at
each of the left gatekeepers who serve to keep the truth from our citizens.
Greg put his total heart and soul into the event and watching his passion
and outrage in action is truly something I will never forget.

To all those who are reading this, please know that as I see it,
yesterday's event woke up thousands of New Yorkers on the streets in the
three hours that we walked and then, finally, found our final "camp" at a
huge NYC public library. The looks on the faces of the residents and
workers of NY were a sight to behold - Most looked puzzled, some nodded in
agreement, some were downright angry and insinuated that we were all crazy,
but one young man (looked like he might have been from a small Midwest town)
spoke with me for a moment and his face became as white as a ghost as he
said, "Nooooooo waaaaaaaayyyyyy." But in that look (you know that *holy
s*&% look)... that he "got" our message and went home to Kansas (or
wherever) a changed (albeit shaken) young man.

Huge thanks to Greg Nixon for spearheading yesterday's AWESOME event!!!
Never have I been to any march, protest, etc., where so relatively few
people accomplished so tremendously much. Thanks also rightfully go to all
of NY9/11truth, who supported us, brought along many participants, and
carried a huge banner that said "9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB." And also, credit
and thanks to Les Jamieson, who arranged for the film crew from the
Netherlands to change the scheduled plan and be with us to film our event
(rather than another event on Saturday). No doubt our overseas friends will
get to have a special glimpse into American outrage at its grittiest!

And during a late lunch that included many organizers, something tells me
that yesterday's one day event was only the beginning for many 9/11 truth
activists.

Cathy Garger
Maryland

The world can only be redeemed through action--movement -- motion.
Uncoerced, unbribed and unbought, humanity will move toward the light.
Alice Hubbard's introduction to An American Bible (1912)

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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:35:24 -0800
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
Subject: test to group

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:57:17 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Just two 767's

Amazing just how two 767's can result in explosions that look
remarkable like the work of atomic or thermonuclear bombs.

Sorry, but a search on Google images for such explosions can only lead
to this conclusion.

That is, if they were not controlled demolitions.

But then may be, in a way, they were.

If the twin towers were brought down by atomic or thermonuclear bombs
then the Patriot Act may well have been a knee jerk reaction to
something for which there was no homeland defence or never will be.

Funny thing, but a homeland defense is no good up against mini-nukes
which seem to be the latest craze thesedays.

The threat of ICBM's is passed. These type of weapons are now suitcase
size. So when someone says the public are not ready for the truth
behind 9/11 then all hope is lost since it is only the people who care
about weapons control and can do anything about it.

And you know why they care? Because who was it who suffered after the
atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

That's right. THE PEOPLE.

Yeah, and those who really don't give a shit have their under ground
bunkers.

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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:19:37 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth so help me.

Bill,
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Giltner
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:34 AM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth so help me.

Ron_winn,

I apologize for not really knowing you, or your name Ron. I am in
no position to assess who you are, what good you are doing, and why.
Are we doing any good, Bill. ? The "why" is easy. For 2,749 people who perished because they were stuck in the towers. The "why" is very much contained in the book "102 Minutes" which gives the impression that the people inside were on their own. Read it and weep.

misleading, pointless or simply foggy.

This about sums up how the security in the twin towers and 911 service operated on the day.

Perhaps I'm in the minority with this opinion. I don't mean to be a
total jerk.

May be you are the only one who found the courage to speak out.

Now that I got that off my chest, what the hell is your point with
this post?

This guy is the only eye-witness to confirm the official story that "175" was a UA plane [leaving aside the reference to "11" in one of these reports]

In one report he simply says he saw a "U" which is surprising if the plane was heading towards him.

In the other report he goes further to describe possibly a UA plane [with no mention of the "U". This time he sees letters on the wing.All this was before he dived under his desk.
He says he was saved because the plane did that slight bank at the last minute.

We are supposed to be looking at a 767 here and any slight bank isn't going to be measured on the "logicmeter" as making much of a bloody difference.

This guy is the vice president of the Fugi Bank and he took orders from a security guard in the lobby. How about that? He also went back up and was on time to catch "175" coming in and managed to get out. So this guy is their chief witness who God saved and yet allowed many good men to perish. Guy's like Battalion Chief Orio J. Palmer, Ron Bucca and Jim Devery.

Chief Palmer reached the 78th Floor in the south tower from where he reported "We've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines" It was a shame he did not have the ability to send live pictures from that floor. Just two isolated pockets. Did he see anythin of the plane?

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...>
wrote:
>
> Well Stanley which of your stories is true?
>
> You are attributed in the book "102 Minutes" as seeing the red and
> blue marking and the letter "U". The authors of the book go on to
> state it was "175".
>
> But here Stanley you say you saw a big grey plane with red letters
on
> the wing and on the tail. The writer of this article says it was
> flight "11".
>
> http://www.ambassadoragency.com/client_profile.cfm/cid/29
>
> "If they had continued on and exited the building, all of their
lives
> would have been spared. As it was, that's not the way it
happened. "As
> soon as we reached the concourse level, the security guard stopped
us
> and said, 'Where are you going?' Stanley explained about seeing the
> fire in Tower One.
>
> But everything wasn't fine--far from it. As Stanley was talking, he
> looked up and saw American Airlines Flight 11 heading straight for
> him. "All I can see is this big gray plane, with red letters on the
> wing and on the tail, bearing down on me," said Stanley. "But this
> thing is happening in slow motion. The plane appeared to be like
100
> yards away, I said 'Lord, you take control, I can't help myself
here.'
> " Stanley then dove under his desk."
>
> And what I don't understand is how come the security guard was
able to
> order you to do anything. You could have told him to take a hike.
You
> was out of there.
>
> But I'm not the first to spot this:-
>
> http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/survivor1.htm
>
> We have confirmed this with Mr. Praimnath's church and the
> headquarters of his denomination, which did a story on him. Also,
one
> of our staff happened to catch a television interview with him.
>
> One note...as a matter of integrity, we do not edit the eRumors
when
> we post them, such as below. This version of this eRumor, however,
> quotes Mr. :Praimnath as saying that he saw American Airlines
flight
> number 11 headed for his building, which is incorrect. He was in
> tower two, which was struck by a United Airlines plane. We checked
> the original of this story, however, which was published by the
> Assemblies of God News Service. It correctly identified the plane
as
> being a United flight.
>

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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:10:07 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation

http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/

You can see what happens in the collapse movie.
After the core is left standing a translusive "umbrella shape" comes out from the core and goes to the ground.. In fact it looks like it is superimposed. See it? It comes around the 30 mark.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rosalee Grable
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation

Plaguepuppy (MIT trained engineer before he decided to be a physician
instead)
has written extensively about the spire, and studied it's videos from
all angles.

starter point
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/spire/The%20Strange%20Collapse%20of%20the%20Spire.htm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=plaguepuppy+spire

alexldent wrote:
> About that second WTC1 collapse cloud they layer over-- that brings up an
> interesting question. How long DID "the spire" stay up before it turned to
> dust?
>
> Was it longer than ten seconds?
>
> Does anyone know?
>
> If so, that would blow the pancake theory completely out of the water, since
> the intact core should have survived any floor pancaking, much less part of
> the core (the spire).
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> wrote:
>
>> I was wrong.
>> The duplicates are throughout the footage.
>>
>> Still, the "plane" is interesting.
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/hop
>> And I caught stills of the explosion featuring what appears to be an
>> external explosion at the beginning, and an explosion with the
>> ultra-bright yellow we've seen from thermite.
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/boom
>>
>> There is a flashie now of the smoke and flashes at the Woolworth building
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big
>> at the bottom of the page
>>

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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:38:42 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)

How come there are these perfect rectangular shaped damaged areas?
----- Original Message -----
From: FONEBONE
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:56 AM
Subject: RE: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)

WHERE ARE the 160 foot wide wings ?

They created this scar <below> in the NORTH TOWER NORTH FACE AT IMPACT
NO?
<left> Underside of a Boeing 767 <right> magnification of the "PLANE"
and shadow from the still extracted from the Naudet video with a color filter applied
to ferret out hidden details

Scar of Jumbo-jet in WTC 1 north wall created by the 160 foot wings ---
again color filtered for clue extraction -

This scar had to be created by preplaced and prepositioned explosive charges to created this Hollywood
Special Effect scar because there DAMN SURE AIN'T NO 160 FOOT WIDE WINGS

The width of the tower wall is 220 feet and the tip to tip wing span of a Boeing 767 is 160 feet
This ratio of 160 / 220 is reduced to 16 / 22 and finally to 8 / 11
The ratio of wingspan to building width with the angle of bank at impact as indicated by the scar
is superimposed in RED over the cigar shaped scar to indicate exactly where these huge
FAT WINGS SHOULD BE -
The YELLOW ball indicates SUN position with the yellow line revealing SUN-RAY Path
to help thinkers gauge exactly where the WING SHADOWS should be

WHERE ARE THE 160 FOOT WINGS ?
point them out --
CUT the CRAP THIS is a MISSILE - FONEBONE

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Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:47 AM
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/frame-by-frame-analysis-extreme.html

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:39:31 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof

Excellent work. The Brooklyn shot is another path, I believe. This one is straight and if so would be without a last minute turn to the left. The "pod shot" could be the ending to this straight path. One witness also said it circled and came in from the Statue of Liberty. Can you add anything new to your graphics based on the aforementioned?
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To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:28 PM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof

Second hit approach path analysis:

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/at-least-one-of-these-videos-must-be.html

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:59:49 -0500
From: Ed Barner <edwinatlcom.net@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Bush becomes serous national threat.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/022106a.html

Bush's Mysterious 'New Programs'

By Nat Parry
February 21, 2006

Not that George W. Bush needs much encouragement, but Sen. Lindsey
Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for
the administration�s domestic operations -- Fifth Columnists, supposedly
disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy.

�The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion,
to pursue Fifth Column movements,� Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during
Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.

�I stand by this President�s ability, inherent to being Commander in
Chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don�t think you
need a warrant to do that,� Graham added, volunteering to work with the
administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this
alleged threat.

�Senator,� a smiling Gonzales responded, �the President already said
we�d be happy to listen to your ideas.�

In less paranoid times, Graham�s comments might be viewed by many
Americans as a Republican trying to have it both ways � ingratiating
himself to an administration of his own party while seeking some credit
from Washington centrists for suggesting Congress should have at least a
tiny say in how Bush runs the War on Terror.

But recent developments suggest that the Bush administration may already
be contemplating what to do with Americans who are deemed insufficiently
loyal or who disseminate information that may be considered helpful to
the enemy.

Top U.S. officials have cited the need to challenge news that undercuts
Bush�s actions as a key front in defeating the terrorists, who are aided
by �news informers� in the words of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
[For details, see Consortiumnews.com �Upside-Down Media� or below.]

Detention Centers

Plus, there was that curious development in January when the Army Corps
of Engineers awarded Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root a $385
million contract to construct detention centers somewhere in the United
States, to deal with �an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S.,
or to support the rapid development of new programs,� KBR said. [Market
Watch, Jan. 26, 2006]

Later, the New York Times reported that �KBR would build the centers for
the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants,
to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs
that require additional detention space.� [Feb. 4, 2006]

Like most news stories on the KBR contract, the Times focused on
concerns about Halliburton�s reputation for bilking U.S. taxpayers by
overcharging for sub-par services.

�It�s hard to believe that the administration has decided to entrust
Halliburton with even more taxpayer dollars,� remarked Rep. Henry
Waxman, D-California.

Less attention centered on the phrase �rapid development of new
programs� and what kind of programs would require a major expansion of
detention centers, each capable of holding 5,000 people. Jamie Zuieback,
a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, declined to
elaborate on what these �new programs� might be.

Only a few independent journalists, such as Peter Dale Scott and Maureen
Farrell, have pursued what the Bush administration might actually be
thinking.

Scott speculated that the �detention centers could be used to detain
American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial
law.� He recalled that during the Reagan administration, National
Security Council aide Oliver North organized Rex-84 �readiness
exercise,� which contemplated the Federal Emergency Management Agency
rounding up and detaining 400,000 �refugees,� in the event of
�uncontrolled population movements� over the Mexican border into the
United States.

Farrell pointed out that because �another terror attack is all but
certain, it seems far more likely that the centers would be used for
post-911-type detentions of immigrants rather than a sudden deluge� of
immigrants flooding across the border.

Vietnam-era whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said, �Almost certainly this
is preparation for a roundup after the next 9/11 for Mid-Easterners,
Muslims and possibly _DISSENTERS._( Emphasis added S.T.P.) They�ve
already done this on a smaller scale, with the �special registration�
detentions of immigrant men from Muslim countries, and with Guantanamo.�

Labor Camps

There also was another little-noticed item posted at the U.S. Army Web
site, about the Pentagon�s Civilian Inmate Labor Program. This program
�provides Army policy and guidance for establishing civilian inmate
labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army installations.�

The Army document, first drafted in 1997, underwent a �rapid action
revision� on Jan. 14, 2005. The revision provides a �template for
developing agreements� between the Army and corrections facilities for
the use of civilian inmate labor on Army installations.

On its face, the Army�s labor program refers to inmates housed in
federal, state and local jails. The Army also cites various federal laws
that govern the use of civilian labor and provide for the establishment
of prison camps in the United States, including a federal statute that
authorizes the Attorney General to �establish, equip, and maintain camps
upon sites selected by him� and �make available � the services of United
States prisoners� to various government departments, including the
Department of Defense.

Though the timing of the document�s posting � within the past few weeks
�may just be a coincidence, the reference to a �rapid action revision�
and the KBR contract�s contemplation of �rapid development of new
programs� has raised eyebrows about why this sudden need for urgency.

These developments also are drawing more attention now because of
earlier Bush administration policies to involve the Pentagon in
�counter-terrorism� operations inside the United States.

Pentagon Surveillance

Despite the Posse Comitatus Act�s prohibitions against U.S. military
personnel engaging in domestic law enforcement, the Pentagon has
expanded its operations beyond previous boundaries, such as its role in
domestic surveillance activities.

The Washington Post has reported that since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror
attacks, the Defense Department has been creating new agencies that
gather and analyze intelligence within the United States. [Washington
Post, Nov. 27, 2005]

The White House also is moving to expand the power of the Pentagon�s
Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA), created three years ago to
consolidate counterintelligence operations. The White House proposal
would transform CIFA into an office that has authority to investigate
crimes such as treason, terrorist sabotage or economic espionage.

The Pentagon also has pushed legislation in Congress that would create
an intelligence exception to the Privacy Act, allowing the FBI and
others to share information about U.S. citizens with the Pentagon, CIA
and other intelligence agencies. But some in the Pentagon don�t seem to
think that new laws are even necessary.

In a 2001 Defense Department memo that surfaced in January 2005, the
U.S. Army�s top intelligence officer wrote, �Contrary to popular belief,
there is no absolute ban on [military] intelligence components
collecting U.S. person information.�

Drawing a distinction between �collecting� information and �receiving�
information on U.S. citizens, the memo argued that �MI [military
intelligence] may receive information from anyone, anytime.� [See
CQ.com, Jan. 31, 2005]

This receipt of information presumably would include data from the
National Security Agency, which has been engaging in surveillance of
U.S. citizens without court-approved warrants in apparent violation of
the Foreign Intelligence Security Act. Bush approved the program of
warrantless wiretaps shortly after 9/11.

There also may be an even more extensive surveillance program. Former
NSA employee Russell D. Tice told a congressional committee on Feb. 14
that such a top-secret surveillance program existed, but he said he
couldn�t discuss the details without breaking classification laws.

Tice added that the �special access� surveillance program may be
violating the constitutional rights of millions of Americans. [UPI, Feb.
14, 2006]

With this expanded surveillance, the government�s list of terrorist
suspects is rapidly swelling.

The Washington Post reported on Feb. 15 that the National
Counterterrorism Center�s central repository now holds the names of
325,000 terrorist suspects, a four-fold increase since the fall of 2003.

Asked whether the names in the repository were collected through the
NSA�s domestic surveillance program, an NCTC official told the Post,
�Our database includes names of known and suspected international
terrorists provided by all intelligence community organizations,
including NSA.�

Homeland Defense

As the administration scoops up more and more names, members of Congress
also have questioned the elasticity of Bush�s definitions for words like
terrorist �affiliates,� used to justify wiretapping Americans allegedly
in contact with such people or entities.

During the Senate Judiciary Committee�s hearing on the wiretap program,
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-California, complained that the House and
Senate Intelligence Committees �have not been briefed on the scope and
nature of the program.�

Feinstein added that, therefore, the committees �have not been able to
explore what is a link or an affiliate to al-Qaeda or what minimization
procedures (for purging the names of innocent people) are in place.�

The combination of the Bush administration�s expansive reading of its
own power and its insistence on extraordinary secrecy has raised the
alarm of civil libertarians when contemplating how far the Pentagon
might go in involving itself in domestic matters.

A Defense Department document, entitled the �Strategy for Homeland
Defense and Civil Support,� has set out a military strategy against
terrorism that envisions an �active, layered defense� both inside and
outside U.S. territory. In the document, the Pentagon pledges to
�transform U.S. military forces to execute homeland defense missions in
the � U.S. homeland.�

The Pentagon strategy paper calls for increased military reconnaissance
and surveillance to �defeat potential challengers before they threaten
the United States.� The plan �maximizes threat awareness and seizes the
initiative from those who would harm us.�

But there are concerns over how the Pentagon judges �threats� and who
falls under the category �those who would harm us.� A Pentagon official
said the Counterintelligence Field Activity�s TALON program has amassed
files on antiwar protesters.

In December 2005, NBC News revealed the existence of a secret 400-page
Pentagon document listing 1,500 �suspicious incidents� over a 10-month
period, including dozens of small antiwar demonstrations that were
classified as a �threat.�

The Defense Department also might be moving toward legitimizing the use
of propaganda domestically, as part of its overall war strategy.

A secret Pentagon �Information Operations Roadmap,� approved by Rumsfeld
in October 2003, calls for �full spectrum� information operations and
notes that �information intended for foreign audiences, including public
diplomacy and PSYOP, increasingly is consumed by our domestic audience
and vice-versa.�

�PSYOPS messages will often be replayed by the news media for much
larger audiences, including the American public,� the document states.
The Pentagon argues, however, that �the distinction between foreign and
domestic audiences becomes more a question of USG [U.S. government]
intent rather than information dissemination practices.�

It calls for �boundaries� between information operations abroad and the
news media at home, but does not outline any corresponding limits on
PSYOP campaigns.

Similar to the distinction the Pentagon draws between �collecting� and
�receiving� intelligence on U.S. citizens, the Information Operations
Roadmap argues that as long as the American public is not intentionally
�targeted,� any PSYOP propaganda consumed by the American public is
acceptable.

The Pentagon plan also includes a strategy for taking over the Internet
and controlling the flow of information, viewing the Web as a potential
military adversary. The �roadmap� speaks of �fighting the net,� and
implies that the Internet is the equivalent of �an enemy weapons system.�

In a speech on Feb. 17 to the Council on Foreign Relations, Rumsfeld
elaborated on the administration�s perception that the battle over
information would be a crucial front in the War on Terror, or as
Rumsfeld calls it, the Long War.

�Let there be no doubt, the longer it takes to put a strategic
communication framework into place, the more we can be certain that the
vacuum will be filled by the enemy and by news informers that most
assuredly will not paint an accurate picture of what is actually taking
place,� Rumsfeld said.

The Department of Homeland Security also has demonstrated a tendency to
deploy military operatives to deal with domestic crises.

In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the department dispatched �heavily
armed paramilitary mercenaries from the Blackwater private security
firm, infamous for their work in Iraq, (and had them) openly patrolling
the streets of New Orleans,� reported journalists Jeremy Scahill and
Daniela Crespo on Sept. 10, 2005.

Noting the reputation of the Blackwater mercenaries as �some of the most
feared professional killers in the world,� Scahill and Crespo said
Blackwater�s presence in New Orleans �raises alarming questions about
why the government would allow men trained to kill with impunity in
places like Iraq and Afghanistan to operate here.�

U.S. Battlefield

In the view of some civil libertarians, a form of martial law already
exists in the United States and has been in place since shortly after
the 9/11 attacks when Bush issued Military Order No. 1 which empowered
him to detain any non-citizen as an international terrorist or enemy
combatant.

�The President decided that he was no longer running the country as a
civilian President,� wrote civil rights attorney Michael Ratner in the
book Guantanamo: What the World Should Know. �He issued a military order
giving himself the power to run the country as a general.�

For any American citizen suspected of collaborating with terrorists,
Bush also revealed what�s in store. In May 2002, the FBI arrested U.S.
citizen Jose Padilla in Chicago on suspicion that he might be an
al-Qaeda operative planning an attack.

Rather than bring criminal charges, Bush designated Padilla an �enemy
combatant� and had him imprisoned indefinitely without benefit of due
process. After three years, the administration finally brought charges
against Padilla, in order to avoid a Supreme Court showdown the White
House might have lost.

But since the Court was not able to rule on the Padilla case, the
administration�s arguments have not been formally repudiated. Indeed,
despite filing charges against Padilla, the White House still asserts
the right to detain U.S. citizens without charges as enemy combatants.

This claimed authority is based on the assertion that the United States
is at war and the American homeland is part of the battlefield.

�In the war against terrorists of global reach, as the Nation learned
all too well on Sept. 11, 2001, the territory of the United States is
part of the battlefield,� Bush's lawyers argued in briefs to the federal
courts. [Washington Post, July 19, 2005]

Given Bush�s now open assertions that he is using his �plenary� � or
unlimited � powers as Commander in Chief for the duration of the
indefinite War on Terror, Americans can no longer trust that their
constitutional rights protect them from government actions.

As former Vice President Al Gore asked after recounting a litany of
sweeping powers that Bush has asserted to fight the War on Terror, �Can
it be true that any President really has such powers under our
Constitution? If the answer is �yes,� then under the theory by which
these acts are committed, are there any acts that can on their face be
prohibited?�

In such extraordinary circumstances, the American people might
legitimately ask exactly what the Bush administration means by the
�rapid development of new programs,� which might require the
construction of a new network of detention camps.

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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:16:12 -0000
From: "matildottero" <matildottero@yahoo.com>
Subject: Paul Krugman, Amy Goodman, and Gatekeeperism, really at work or just expected..

so big deal paul and amy are "still" so-called gatekeepers... maybe,
maybe not, so what??? just keep up the pressure, email and otherwise,
with style and substance, instead of sourgraping ad infinitum!!! i
just don't believe you guys!!! imho poisoning wells is a waste of
time unless you are in for disinfo or destabilization, i surely hope
you are not into that kind of stuff, and if you are you could just do
some better hacking job than what you did, like "that guy/gal, yup, i
sent him all the most useful info on 9/11 and got zilch, they sure
kept the gate close from 2001 til now, but i keep sending them stuff
anyway, just to keep them nervous..." or something like that... well,
it would have been more persuasive but if true, i think it would have
made some rocking of their boat, don't you think???, oh i forgot, you
may be gatekeepers too.... or maybe i am, in that case sorry to have
confirmed your most boring fears... no wonder some fan of krug or amy
would be turned off almost immediately by such obviously rabid but
misdirected anger... so what, i am powerless too, and possibly every
person who has real power has gatekeeping fantasies and
underpinnings, but then it takes only a few of them to turn around,
just think about it!!! most know how to whistle, especially very easy
if you try and don't think of the consequences.... wait, that's
called standing for principle!!!

cheers!

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent" <alexldent@...>
wrote:
>
> Yes, you're right. He's a gatekeeper. I used to email him a couple
> years back asking him to look into 9/11 and giving im some info.
The
> best I ever got was some cryptic comment in one of columns about
> wanting to know "what really happened on 9/11".
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner"
> <bill.giltner@> wrote:
> >
> > In additional to Amy Goodman, I want to add Paul Krugman's name
to the
> > list of Left Gatekeepers. Paul is seen by conservatives as the
> > outrageous anti-Bush liberal at the NYT. In editorials, he has
slamed
> > the Bush admin again and again.
> >
> > However, look at the quality of today's editorial:
> >
> > http://malakandsky.blogspot.com/2006/02/mensch-gap.html
> >
> > He's saying the US is messed up because "The people now running
> > America aren't mensches."
> >
> > A fucking PHD, and this is what he offers us. He's as much of a
War
> > Criminal as Goodman.
> >
>

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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:49:21 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: PNAC-Fukuyama: Pull down the neocons

...as far as i recall from my PNAC files, this guy was once also close
to some italian fascists...

He also was part of the pre-9/11 pnac letters, to overthrow Saddam Hussein,
worked for RAND, but since 2003 seems not to back up the neocons anymore...
Fukuyama is on the steering committee for the Scooter Libby Legal Defense
Trust and runs http://www.the-american-interest.com/

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=266122006
Neocon architect says: 'Pull it down'
ALEX MASSIE IN WASHINGTON
February 21, 2005

NEOCONSERVATISM has failed the United States and needs to be replaced by a
more realistic foreign policy agenda, according to one of its prime
architects.

Francis Fukuyama, who wrote the best-selling book The End of History and was
a member of the neoconservative project, now says that, both as a political
symbol and a body of thought, it has "evolved into something I can no longer
support". He says it should be discarded on to history's pile of discredited
ideologies.

In an extract from his forthcoming book, America at the Crossroads, Mr
Fukuyama declares that the doctrine "is now in shambles" and that its
failure has demonstrated "the danger of good intentions carried to
extremes"...

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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:58:41 -0000
From: "inphoman911" <inphoman911@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Paul Krugman, Amy Goodman, and Gatekeeperism, really at work or just expected..

matildottero, Krugman already has his own copy of 9/11 eyewitness
and David Ray Griffin WTC lecture since 2005. These are gatekeepers
without question.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "matildottero"
<matildottero@...> wrote:
>
> so big deal paul and amy are "still" so-called gatekeepers...
maybe,
> maybe not, so what??? just keep up the pressure, email and
otherwise,
> with style and substance, instead of sourgraping ad infinitum!!! i
> just don't believe you guys!!! imho poisoning wells is a waste of
> time unless you are in for disinfo or destabilization, i surely
hope
> you are not into that kind of stuff, and if you are you could just
do
> some better hacking job than what you did, like "that guy/gal,
yup, i
> sent him all the most useful info on 9/11 and got zilch, they sure
> kept the gate close from 2001 til now, but i keep sending them
stuff
> anyway, just to keep them nervous..." or something like that...
well,
> it would have been more persuasive but if true, i think it would
have
> made some rocking of their boat, don't you think???, oh i forgot,
you
> may be gatekeepers too.... or maybe i am, in that case sorry to
have
> confirmed your most boring fears... no wonder some fan of krug or
amy
> would be turned off almost immediately by such obviously rabid but
> misdirected anger... so what, i am powerless too, and possibly
every
> person who has real power has gatekeeping fantasies and
> underpinnings, but then it takes only a few of them to turn
around,
> just think about it!!! most know how to whistle, especially very
easy
> if you try and don't think of the consequences.... wait, that's
> called standing for principle!!!
>
> cheers!
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent" <alexldent@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, you're right. He's a gatekeeper. I used to email him a
couple
> > years back asking him to look into 9/11 and giving im some
info.
> The
> > best I ever got was some cryptic comment in one of columns about
> > wanting to know "what really happened on 9/11".
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner"
> > <bill.giltner@> wrote:
> > >
> > > In additional to Amy Goodman, I want to add Paul Krugman's
name
> to the
> > > list of Left Gatekeepers. Paul is seen by conservatives as
the
> > > outrageous anti-Bush liberal at the NYT. In editorials, he
has
> slamed
> > > the Bush admin again and again.
> > >
> > > However, look at the quality of today's editorial:
> > >
> > > http://malakandsky.blogspot.com/2006/02/mensch-gap.html
> > >
> > > He's saying the US is messed up because "The people now
running
> > > America aren't mensches."
> > >
> > > A fucking PHD, and this is what he offers us. He's as much of
a
> War
> > > Criminal as Goodman.
> > >
> >
>

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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:37:18 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: New NY Village Voice article about "9/11 Truth Movement"

The Seekers
The birth and life of the '9-11 Truth movement'
by Jarrett Murphy
February 21st, 2006 11:48 AM
http://villagevoice.com/news/0608,murphy,72254,6.html
r
incl:
The ABC's of 9-11:
What Really Happened: A Beginner's Guide to the 'Truth' Movement
by Jarrett Murphy

# Conspiracy 101
The basics of alternative 9-11 theories

# The Usual Suspects
What it takes to make a conspiracy theory

# Your Turn: Ground Zero Stories?
Experts want to interview the 2,000 who made it out of WTC 1 & 2
Power Plays by Jarrett Murphy

Essentially, it's all about physics and common sense. Cut steel, and
buildings fall. Crash a plane, and the Earth gets scarred. Fire a missile;
see a hole. What's up must come down, cause makes effect, and for the truth
to set you free, it must be freed itself.

It's dark in the basement of St. Mark's Church and dark outside on a
mid-December Sunday night, but inside they have seen the light. Among the
100 or so people in the room, many wear buttons that read "9/11 Was An
Inside Job." Others grip the vital texts in their hands�Crossing the
Rubicon, The New Pearl Harbor, or 9/11 Synthetic Terror. Most in the largely
(but not exclusively) white and male crowd can quote you the important
passages from "Rebuilding America's Defenses" or The 9/11 Commission Report.
A few can guide you through the details of concepts like "peak oil" and
pyroclastic flow. All of them suspect�and a few simply
know�that their government was somehow complicit in the attacks that
killed nearly 3,000 Americans four Septembers ago...

... For passengers detraining at the PATH station and climbing the stairs to
ground zero on a typical Saturday, the 9-11 Truth movement is hard to miss.
There at the exit stand Jamieson, Rudkowski, and a few compatriots holding a
large banner declaring "9/11 Was an Inside Job." Pamphlets are handed out,
and some of the vital books of the Truth movement are at the ready if a
passerby wishes to debate, which happens a couple times each week. A woman
is labeling as "bullshit" the idea that the entire government was behind the
plot. Jamieson shakes his head. "Not the entire government," he says. "Just
a small faction."

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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:44:41 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: New NY Village Voice article about "9/11 Truth Movement"

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] New NY Village Voice article about "9/11 Truth
> Movement"
> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:37:18 +0100 (MET)
>

heya :)
http://villagevoice.com/news/0608,murphy,72254,6.html
"...Everyone has a September 11 tale about how we watched the events in
"disbelief." But some people really didn't believe, and in the immediate
aftermath of the attacks their doubts took form on the Internet on sites
like serendipity.li, plaguepuppy.net, and Killtown...."

http://villagevoice.com/news/0608,murphy,72255,6.html
Flight 93
...Pointing to press reports filed on 9-11, many suspect that the plane
actually landed in Cleveland.

>>>>>>>>>
The Seekers
The birth and life of the '9-11 Truth movement'
by Jarrett Murphy
February 21st, 2006 11:48 AM
http://villagevoice.com/news/0608,murphy,72254,6.html
r
incl:
The ABC's of 9-11:
What Really Happened: A Beginner's Guide to the 'Truth' Movement
by Jarrett Murphy

# Conspiracy 101
The basics of alternative 9-11 theories

# The Usual Suspects
What it takes to make a conspiracy theory

# Your Turn: Ground Zero Stories?
Experts want to interview the 2,000 who made it out of WTC 1 & 2
Power Plays by Jarrett Murphy

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