Need to Know
Blogger Thoughts: What does John Negroponte know that the Editors of the Weekly Standard don't know? Perhaps he knows that the documents, and other evidence, if made public, increase the chances for exposure of the ruses of the Administration, including 9/11.
Need to Know
John Negroponte's dismissive attitude toward the Saddam tapes seems to reflect the attitude of the intelligence community toward all of the documents captured in postwar Afghanistan and Iraq. by The Editors 02/27/2006, Volume 011, Issue 23
"WHERE WAS THE NUCLEAR material transported to?" asks an aide to Saddam Hussein, in a taped conversation released last week. He answers his own question: "A number of them were transported out of Iraq." This provocative snippet is part of 12 hours of taped exchanges between Saddam Hussein and his advisers. The tapes were found in Iraq after the war and were released last week by their American translator. The tapes are authentic. And they are seemingly of little interest to the U.S. government. A spokesman for John Negroponte, the director of national intelligence (DNI), downplayed their importance: "Analysts from the CIA and the DIA reviewed the translations and found that, while fascinating from a historical perspective, the tapes do not reveal anything that changes their postwar analysis of Iraq's weapons programs."
We suspect many Americans would be interested in learning more about this "nuclear material" and where it went when it was "transported out of Iraq"--and not just for "historical perspective." That doesn't mean the Saddam tapes contain some "smoking gun" on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. We don't yet know the circumstances of the Iraqi aide's conversation with his boss, or whether he was being truthful. It would certainly be nice to know more.
Unfortunately, Negroponte's dismissive attitude toward the 12 hours of Saddam tapes seems to reflect accurately the attitude of the intelligence community toward all of the documents captured in postwar Afghanistan and Iraq. It's an attitude his boss apparently doesn't share. Meeting with congressional leaders last Thursday, President George W. Bush said he wants the documents released, and released quickly.
For months, though, Negroponte and his staff have been in a tug-of-war with House Intelligence Committee chairman Peter Hoekstra, who is leading the effort to have the captured Iraqi documents released. As Stephen F. Hayes has reported on several occasions in this magazine, the U.S. government has more than two million "exploitable items" recovered in Afghanistan and Iraq since October 2001. And though there has been much talk of expediting the release of this material, Negroponte has stalled.
Late last week, a top DNI staffer met with Hoekstra. The meeting did not go well. "If there are 100 reasons not to make this information available, I got every one of them," Hoekstra told The Weekly Standard last week. "We have received a proposal that clearly demonstrates that the DNI is living in the analog age while the rest of us are in the digital age. At this rate, my grandkids and great-grandkids will be the first ones to see this information. And I don't even have grandkids yet."
The DNI proposal calls for small sets of documents to be farmed out to researchers at think tanks and universities. The documents would be scrubbed for sensitive information, and researchers would be required to sign nondisclosure agreements. The researchers could later request that documents be released to accompany publication of their work. At which point the documents would be subject to another review for sensitive information. How long would this process take? Did we mention that the DNI recently took two months to provide an insistent chairman of the House Intelligence Committee with a few dozen unclassified documents from Iraq that he had requested?
A glimpse of how this process might work could be seen with the release last week of a study about al Qaeda by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, accompanied by a small collection of documents captured in postwar Afghanistan. The researchers tell us in their foreword that the 28 documents were being released "so that they can be analyzed and used to learn more about al Qaeda and better understand the organization." Making these documents available for additional study "is critical to developing an effective long-term counterterrorism strategy."
The documents are indeed interesting. According to one document, Osama bin Laden's chief deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, sought assistance for his terrorist operations from both Iraq and Iran. Another al Qaeda document by an unknown author provides some "lessons learned" from the experience of the past jihadist-Iraq collaboration and concludes that such relationships can be counterproductive and are to be avoided in the future. Other documents offer insight into the personal and ideological conflicts among al Qaeda's senior operatives. In short, we know more now than we did a week ago.
But this is the first such glimpse in the more than four years since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. And the Saddam tapes released last week, no thanks to the intelligence community, are a sliver of the 3,000-some hours of recordings of Saddam Hussein meeting with top aides.
If President Bush believes such materials should be released, as he has assured several members of Congress, he might at least pick up the phone and have a talk with John Negroponte. This material is too important to wait for Rep. Hoekstra's great-grandkids.
--The Editors
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Monday, February 20, 2006
Inquiry and Analysis Series - No. 253 ("Inside Iran")
Inquiry and Analysis Series - No. 253
Blogger Thoughts: This comes from a highly suspect source, but not as suspect as the typical Western MSM source. The bin-Laden reference is especially troubling. However, I am wanting to have information to fill the stupid blather of the TV talking heads, so have a look:
November 17, 2005
Blogger Thoughts: This comes from a highly suspect source, but not as suspect as the typical Western MSM source. The bin-Laden reference is especially troubling. However, I am wanting to have information to fill the stupid blather of the TV talking heads, so have a look:
November 17, 2005
The ‘Second Islamic Revolution’ in Iran: Power Struggle at the Top
Introduction
As noted by MEMRI in June 2005, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's win in Iran's presidential elections signaled the coming of the "Second Islamic Revolution."
This is marked by Ahmadinejad's commitment to the ideal of "Islamic justice" as embodied in the messianic belief in the Hidden Imam, and his commitment to the implementation of the ideology of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's Islamic Revolution. It is also marked by the struggle over key positions in the regime.[1]
In a statement on November 15, 2005, Ahmadinejad explained: "The people, in the last elections, proved their faith in the Revolution, and wish to see a revival of the Islamic Revolution's ideals... This revolution was in fact a continuation of the Prophets' movement and, therefore, all political, economic, and cultural goals of the country need to be directed at materializing the Islamic ideals." He added, "Followers of this divine school of Islamic thought are doing their best to pave the way for the urgent reappearance [of the Hidden Imam]."
Ahmadinejad warned of the danger of deviating from the identity, ideals and virtues of the Islamic Revolution, saying that if this happened, Iranian society would be living aimlessly and lose its noble destination: "So it is our obligation to direct people back to those glorious ideals and to lead the way in the establishment of an exemplary, powerful and progressive Islamic society… Iran must emerge as the most powerful, most advanced country…"[2]
Iran today is at the height of a power struggle in the upper echelons of its regime. The reformist camp has disappeared from the Iranian political scene, and the regime's center of gravity has shifted to the fundamentalist militaristic conservative group, which centers on clerics such as Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-e Yazdi, and on members of the security establishment, particularly the Revolutionary Guards, the Basij, and the intelligence apparatuses. Today, this group controls the Majlis and the office of the president.
Khamenei's Reaction
On the eve of the presidential elections, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei explained his policy on the need for balance between the two political branches of the regime: "We believe that the existence of two factions faithful to the constitution serves the regime... [The two factions - the conservatives and reformists] - function like two wings [of a bird], enabling it to fly... in a competitive and progressive atmosphere... We will not permit those who do not believe in the constitution and in the regime to lead... The middle path and the proper approach are reformist conservatism."[3]
Based on this conviction, Khamenei responded to the fundamentalist conservative "Second Revolution" with an attempt to correct the disappearance of the camp of the "reform-seekers" from the political scene, and to restore the political balance that was upset when all the centers of power came to the hands of conservatives - some even more extreme fundamentalists than himself.
To this end, in early October 2005 Khamenei entrenched the position of Expediency Council Chairman Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani - who had been badly beaten by Ahmadinejad in the presidential elections - and expanded the powers of the council, giving it greater oversight of the regime's overall policy and of the activity of the regime's three branches.[4]
By doing so, Khamenei officially anchored Rafsanjani's status as Number Two in the Iranian leadership. At this point, Rafsanjani oversees the three branches of Iran's regime; hierarchically, he is above President Ahmadinejad, Majlis Speaker Gholam-Ali Hadad-'Adel, and Judiciary System head Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi (the only one above Rafsanjani is, of course, Khamenei himself, the Supreme Leader and head of the state).[5]
This move by Khamenei constituted reinforcement of the relatively moderate camp currently represented by Rafsanjani. In contrast to President Ahmadinejad and his supporters, Rafsanjani is perceived as a pragmatic leader. Although never one of or identified with the "reform-seekers," the positions he expressed in recent years attest to his pragmatism, particularly in the areas of economy and foreign policy. Rafsanjani is from the founding generation of the Islamic Revolution, a minor cleric who was close to Ayatollah Khomeini and who since the revolution has held top posts in regime circles. As a wealthy and highly influential figure in the affairs of the state, Rafsanjani has, in Khamenei's view, been a counterweight to the increasing extremism of Ahmadinejad and his supporters.[6]
There is another version regarding Rafsanjani’s empowerment: According to Iranian web forums, Rafsanjani's appointment was not at Khamenei's initiative. Rather, Khamenei was forced into it by the ayatollahs - among them Judiciary System head Shahroudi, Council of Experts head Meshkini, and others. The ayatollahs came to Khamenei with a demand to fire Ahmadinejad, after the latter demanded that they produce administrative and financial reports on what was being done in the organizations and institutions in their charge. The ayatollahs asserted that there was a precedent for firing a president: when Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini himself fired President Bani-Sadr in June 1981.
Khamenei rejected that demand. However, when the ayatollahs threatened to depose Khamenei himself, he agreed to an alternative move - empowering Rafsanjani over Ahmadinejad.[7]
The possible emergence of the power struggle in the regime was discussed in an analysis by Mohsen Sazegara,[8] an Iranian anti-regime intellectual who is active today in the U.S. Sazegara said that following the June 2005 presidential election, the group of fundamentalist conservatives who had supported Khamenei turned into a threat to his absolute status.[9]
Ironically, it is precisely this group - the Revolutionary Guards and the Basij, whose powers Khamenei toiled greatly to increase at the expense of the veteran conservatives, and whose political activity he permitted - that is likely to topple Khamenei in the near future. This fundamentalist conservative group is trying to militarize the Iranian government by conquering as many political posts as it can.
Another arena in which Khamenei is likely to find himself threatened in the future, according to Sazegara, is the Council of Experts - the only senior body authorized by the Iranian constitution to depose him.
Khamenei was appointed to his position as heir to Iran's spiritual leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini by Khomeini himself - despite his lack of the jurisprudent qualifications required by the doctrine of "the Rule of the Jurisprudent" (velayat-e faqih) that Khomeini himself had set. Khamenei is in power thanks to the support of the Council of Experts - a supreme body that comprises ayatollahs loyal to the Islamic Revolution regime. So far, the council has supported all of Khamenei's decisions. But, Sazegara argues, if the makeup of the council changes as a result of next year's elections, and its new members prefer the fundamentalist militaristic faction led by Ayatollah Taqi Mesbah-e Yazdi, its automatic support for Khamenei may be undermined.[10]
Characteristics of the Emerging Power Struggle in the Upper Echelons
Ahmadinejad and the fundamentalist militaristic faction pose an increasing threat to the senior ranks of the veteran conservative regime and to the economic power that they have accumulated in the 26 years of the Islamic Revolution.
A. Religious and Ideological Aspects
In recent weeks, there has been an increase in reports of a strict fundamentalist policy being laid out and implemented by Ahmadinejad, with the aim of implementing his statements about attaining "Islamic justice according to the values of the Islamic Revolution." Already in his election campaign, Ahmadinejad had declared his ideological loyalty to the implementation of the ideal of "Islamic justice."
Ahmadinejad's public addresses attest to his religious commitment to the messianic ideas of the Shi'a in the spirit of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, to the reappearance of the Hidden Imam, and to the profound belief in the historic existential struggle between two civilizations, Islam and the West - in which Islam is bound to triumph. He perceives these principles as guidelines that his government and Iran should strive to realize.[11]
Following are three examples:
1. Commitment to the Ideal of "Islamic Justice"
Since early November, there have been reports on Ahmadinejad's intention to implement extensive land reforms and to give Iran's poor citizens shares in government companies. It has also been reported that Ahmadinejad is planning to replace the boards of directors of seven government banks. Immediately afterwards, reports came on the fall of the Tehran stock exchange, which has not rallied for two weeks.[12] Ahmadinejad also undertook to act against the corruption widespread in the government ministries, and amongst senior regime officials.[13]
These measures pose a threat to senior officials in the regime, who will be harmed if Ahmadinejad exposes their administration methods. The upper echelons of the veteran conservative regime have through the years become bogged down in managing daily affairs, and have distanced themselves from messianic and Revolutionary ideals. They have engaged in factional disputes and squabbles, and accusations of personal corruption have been leveled at ayatollahs and high-ranking regime officials. In recent years, Rafsanjani himself has been accused of involvement in regime and economic corruption, particularly in the Oil Ministry, as have members of his family. It should be noted that so far, Ahmadinejad's nominees for oil minister have not been ratified by the Majlis.
2. Commitment to the Ideal of Shehadat (Martyrdom)
Already in his second television appearance as president, Ahmadinejad praised "the art of martyrdom" and emphasized its importance as a value and as a legitimate means to accomplish political goals: "We want art that is on the offensive. Art on the offensive exalts and defends the noble principles, and attacks principles that are corrupt, vulgar, ungodly, and inhuman. Art reaches perfection when it portrays the best life and best death. After all, art tells you how to live. That is the essence of art. Is there art that is more beautiful, more divine, and more eternal than the art of martyrdom? A nation with martyrdom knows no captivity. Those who wish to undermine this principle undermine the foundations of our independence and national security. They undermine the foundation of our eternity..."[14]
Furthermore, IRIB, Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting, has recently aired several programs praising shehadat, including children's cartoons. TO VIEW THESE CLIPS:
Clip No. 917: http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=917
Clip No. 908: http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=908
Clip No. 907: http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=907
Clip No. 906: http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=906
Clip No. 736: http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=736
3. Commitment to the Historic Existential Struggle between Islam and the West
In advance of Qods (Jerusalem) Day, celebrated on the last Friday of Ramadan, Ahmadinejad participated in a conference on "A World Without Zionism." In his speech, he expressed his world view, which is infused with an immutable belief in the existence of an historic and all-out existential, moral, and cultural struggle between the Islamic world and the West. In the context of this world view, Israel is merely one local and temporary front line of this global conflict. (To read his speech, see MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 1013, October 28, 2005, http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP101305.)
B. Structural Aspects
Iranian commentator Arash Mahdavi revealed the identity of Ahmadinejad's confidential advisor, Mojtaba Hashemi Samareh. Mahdavi stated that Samareh has Revolutionary Guards connections as well as links to Iran's intelligence apparatuses, and is the confidant of Ayatollah Taqi Mesbah-e Yazdi. During the term of former foreign minister Ali Akbar Velayati, Samareh, who headed the ministry's Placement Office, intimidated the diplomatic staff with his efforts to check the religious credentials and loyalty of those applying to serve in the Iranian missions abroad - whether they were devout enough as Muslims and sufficiently loyal to the regime.[15] Mahdavi also wrote about Samareh's reign in the Tehran municipality during Ahmadinejad's term as mayor.
Ahmadinejad's cabinet is made up mostly of a cadre of young officers, members of the interim generation of the Revolution, who grew up in the Revolutionary Guards and in the intelligence organizations of Iran. They are loyal to the fundamentalist interpretation of the Islamic Revolution, and they see themselves as continuing the path of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Ahmadinejad has given key government posts, among them the foreign, intelligence, interior, defense, culture and Islamic guidance ministries, to his associates from the Revolutionary Guards officers, to his friends at the ultra-conservative daily Kayhan, to his associates from the Tehran municipality, and to friends of the conservative Deputy Majlis Speaker Mohammad Reza Bahonar, who is Samareh's uncle.
It will be noted that these circles are loyal to a senior cleric, and accept his rulings as the highest jurisprudent authority. The cleric is Ayatollah Taqi Mesbah-e Yazdi, the religious mentor of the intelligence apparatuses and the Revolutionary Guards.
After failing in August 2005 to achieve a majority to approve the ministerial appointments of four unknown figures from amongst his associates,[16] and after being the target of criticism by Rafsanjani and the reformist press for his poor performance as president, Ahmadinejad threatened the Majlis, saying that if it did not confirm his nominees, the consequences would be borne by the Majlis itself. He threatened that the Iranian people would have its say: "The people must show its support for the government against the power and wealth of the mafia residing in the Majlis." He also said, "Insulting the president is tantamount to a crime."[17]
One of Rafsanjani's first steps when the Expediency Council received its extended powers was to bring the outgoing president of Iran, Mohammad Khatami - identified with the reform-seekers - back to the political arena, and to appoint him senior advisor to the council.[18] Indeed, both Rafsanjani and Khatami - along with Iran's Foreign Ministry - have moderated aggressive statements by Ahmadinejad regarding two key issues in the area of Iran's foreign relations: Iran's nuclear dossier, and its attitude towards Israel.[19]
Indeed, these two issues can best serve to delineate the differences between the fundamentalist militaristic conservatives and the relatively pragmatic conservatives, as follow:
1. Attitude towards Israel
Although the leaders of the regime, both moderate and fundamentalist, are in consensus with regard to the illegitimacy of Israel's existence as well as with regard to the ultimate goal - the establishment of a Muslim Palestinian state in its stead - they are divided as to how Iran should present its policy in this regard.
Members of the fundamentalist militaristic faction, for which Ahmadinejad speaks, do not hesitate to bluntly state Iran's official policy regarding Israel, and since coming to powerhave interpreted this policy actively and belligerently. They publicly call for Islam to annihilate Israel, in the context of a broader world view that reflects the all-out historic existential, moral, and cultural struggle between the Islamic world and the West. In this struggle, Israel, or Palestine, is merely one front line today.[20]
The relatively pragmatists - those identified with the reformist circles, headed by former Iranian president Khatami, and members of the Iranian Foreign Ministry who acted to implement Khatami's policy and won the support of Iran’s Supreme Leader Khamenei - are less enthusiastic about Iran's explicit call for the destruction of another sovereign state, aware as they are of the possible damage to Iran in the international arena.[21]
According to them, Israel will be eliminated in a different way: at the hands of the Palestinians and by means of the "democracy" favored by the West. Therefore, they are promoting the proposal that only the original inhabitants of Palestine - Muslims, Christians, and Jews, and of course the generations of Palestinian Muslim refugees - will have the right to vote in any elections about their future. According to this proposal, Israeli citizens, most of whom are Jewish, will not have the right to vote in such elections, because Israel is not a legitimate entity. Thus, Israel will cease to exist, because most votes will be those of Palestinian Muslims. Recently, Iran’s Leader Khamenei, an advocate of this relatively moderate approach, made statements to this effect, setting out the continuation of the struggle against Israel along these lines.[22]
2. The Nuclear Issue
The tension and the gap between the fundamentalist militaristic faction and the relatively pragmatic conservative faction are more acute and visible regarding this issue.
The Iranian leadership, conservatives and reformists alike, is enthusiastic about Iran's nuclear program. Since August 2005, when Iran broke its commitment to the international community to freeze all enrichment-related activities, Iran has been managing a controlled and planned crisis with Europe, the aim of which is to compel Europe and the world to give in and gradually accept Iran's conditions so that it may achieve a nuclear fuel cycle (which enables the development and production of nuclear weapons) with the acceptance of the international community as a fait accompli.
Unlike his predecessors, Ahmadinejad does not fear conflict with Europe and the international community, even at a high price to Iran. His modus operandi is to impose upon the international community unilateral action by Iran, and then force it to agree.
Ahmadinejad has not shown willingness to compromise in a dialogue with Europe. His statements, along with those of other senior Iranian officials, have made it clear that Iran is headed in the direction of conflict. They maintain that Iran is ready to continue the negotiations with Europe that collapsed when it renewed uranium conversion activity at Isfahan last August, but they have stated unequivocally that this is no longer open to negotiation. If Europe refuses Iran's demands for a nuclear fuel cycle, Iran will see itself as having the right to renew actual uranium enrichment activities on its own initiative, as well as to restart operations at the Natanz centrifuge factory - because any potential punitive measures against Iran will harm Europe and the U.S. themselves more than they will harm Iran.[23]
Thus, Iran recently rejected the European proposal, apparently supported by U.S., according to which Iran could engage in the initial stages of uranium enrichment on Iranian soil but most of the enrichment would be done on Russian soil under supervision by international bodies.[24]
Iran's moderate and evasive brinksmanship policy over the past two years - which was identified with Iran's more pragmatic faction, Iran's Foreign Ministry under President Khatami - had been the object of massive criticism on the part of the fundamentalist conservatives, particularly by the ultra-conservative daily Kayhan. The fundamentalists insisted that Iran's stance must be strict and uncompromising in negotiations with Europe; they doubted the wisdom of the path of nuclear dialogue with Europe, and they even called for extreme unilateral steps.[25]
Now in a position to shape Iran's nuclear policy, Ahmadinejad has fired about 40 ambassadors in what is perceived as a purge of the ranks of the reform-minded Foreign Ministry.[26] This step by Ahmadinejad, particularly in Iran's key missions in Europe and Asia, is perceived as a challenge to the expansion of the powers of Rafsanjani and the Expediency Council, and, consequently, a criticism of the policy of Khamenei himself - who is the final arbiter in the matter of Iran's nuclear policy.[27]
A report by the London daily Al-Hayat on Ahmadinejad's meeting with the ambassadors prior to their firing stated that Ahmadinejad said that he did not trust the Europeans, and that the Paris Agreement signed in November 2004 between Iran and Europe was "of the imperialistic kind." He maintained that the Europeans had to accept Iran's stance - and if it did not, "we will know how to deal with them."
According to the report, the ambassadors argued: "The European Union does not want problems with Iran. It respects its right to obtain modern nuclear technology, and the Paris Agreement aspires to gradually build confidence [between the sides]. Ahmadinejad rejected these claims, and said that Europe was trying to teach Iran a lesson based on the issue of human rights 'while they themselves do not respect these rights.'"[28]
Recent Developments
Khatami: The Extremists Aspire to Imitate Bin-Laden and Compete with the Taliban
In addition to the persistent criticism against Ahmadinejad in recent weeks that focused on political and economic issues, there has also been ideological criticism. At the forefront of the criticism is former Iranian president Mohammad Khatami. According to the London daily Al-Hayat, Khatami said that Iran's extremists aspired "to imitate bin Laden" and were "giving the best justification for enemies to attack Islam and Iran." He added that the extremists thought that "allegiance to democracy, freedom, and progress were harming the reputation of the revolutionary country in the Islamic world [Iran]" and added, "They are competing with the Taliban in calling for violence and in carrying out extremist crimes that are counter to the religion..."[29]
Iranian Leader Khamenei, on his part, is trying to prevent the media from exposing this struggle. In an attempt to calm matters, he took up a position next to Ahmadinejad, praising him and his functioning, requesting that none criticize him, and calling for the support of all the political forces in the government. Khamenei pointed out that Iran is now in a sensitive stage, and called for putting aside political rivalries - and indeed, Khatami’s comments were not subsequently reported in the Iranian press.[30]
In our assessment, however, these measures are not sufficient to prevent the continuation of the internal struggle in the upper echelons of the Iranian regime. Indeed, every day there are new reports reflecting the tip of the iceberg. The reformist paper Sharq reported on November 15 that Majlis members denied that there was any plan to impeach Ahmadinejad, while the Iranian www.roozonline.com reported today, November 16, that "sources close to the Ahmadinejad speak of the existence of a secret group to overthrow the president."[31]
[*]A. Savyon is Director of MEMRI's Iranian Media Project.
[1] See MEMRI Inquiry and Analysis No. 229, "Iran's ‘Second Islamic Revolution’: Fulfilled by Election of Conservative President," June 28, 2005: http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA22905.
[2] Sharq (Iran), November 15, 2005; IRNA, November 15, 2005.
[3] IRNA, October 5, 2005. See MEMRI Inquiry and Analysis No. 226, "The Upcoming Presidential Elections in Iran (Part II)," June 16, 2005: http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=iran&ID=IA22605#_edn9.
[4] In effect, this idea was raised eight years ago during the term of President Khatami, and only now, immediately after Ahmadinejad's cabinet appointments, has Iranian Leader Khamenei decided to implement it. See criticism of the timing in giving powers to the council, and the doubts raised regarding the qualifications of Expediency Council members, in the conservative weekly Parto-e Sokhan, November 2, 2005.
[5] An examination of Khamenei's administration in this and previous affairs shows that he is in effect acting like a shah, trying to maneuver between political power groups in the region while his own supervisory status is higher than theirs. Although with its establishment the Islamic Revolution abolished the 2,500-year-old monarchy headed by the shah, an analysis of Khamenei's administrative methods in recent years shows that he is continuing the tradition of running Iran by balancing internal powers and intervention only in times of crisis.
[6] For more on Rafsanjani's views, see MEMRI Inquiry and Analysis No. 226, "The Upcoming Presidential Elections in Iran (Part II)," June 16, 2005: http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=iran&ID=IA22605#_edn9.
[7] Rafsanjani agreed to accept additional powers only if the powers were given to the Council of Experts itself, and he would use them only in his capacity as council head. According to a report from a Tehran source, published on the Gulf 2000 forum under the name of forum director Gary Sick, November 14, 2005.
[8] See MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 384, "Iranian Dissident to Khamenei: 'You Are an Evil Ruler,'" May 26, 2002: http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP38402.
[9] See article by Mehdi Halaji and Mohsen Sazegara, Washington Institute Policy Watch No. 1022, August 11, 2005.
[10] An example of the possible weakening of Khamenei;s authority can be seen in the clash that broke out recently between a number of Qom ayatollahs and Khamenei, about the decision of when the holiday of Id Al-Fitr - whose date is determined by the position of the moon - was supposed to begin. This conflict was fanned by Khamenei's supporter, Hossein Shari'at-Madari, editor of the ultra-conservative daily Kayhan. Most of the ayatollahs of Qom, whom Khamenei joined, ruled that the holiday began on Friday, while three ayatollahs - Behjat, Fazel Lancrani and Yousef Sanei, ruled that it would begin on Thursday. Shari'at-Madari published an editorial stating that Khamenei had the prerogative of ruling in this case, and not the Qom ayatollahs as had always been the case. After members of the Qom Hizbullah organization rioted and interfered with the ayatollahs celebrating Id Al-Fitr on Thursday, the organizers of the riots were arrested and thousands of pamphlets by Shari'at-Madari condemning those ayatollahs were found in their homes. Shari'at-Madari was forced to publish a letter of apology, following protests by a number of ayatollahs in Qom against his interfering in their affairs. See Kayhan (Iran), November 5, 2005 http://www.kayhannews.ir/840814/2.htm#other204 ; Kayhan, November 8, 2005, http://www.kayhannews.ir/840817/2.htm ; and Jonhouri-e Eslami (Iran), November 9, 2005, http://jomhourieslami.com/1384/13840818/index.html.
[11] See for example Ahmadinejad's statements that "the people want to return to the values of the Revolution." Sharq (Iran), November 15, 2005.
[12] Sharq (Iran), November 1, 2005; November 6, 2005; November 9, 2005; November 12, 2005; November 13, 2005; Kayhan (Iran), November 10, 2005; http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/business/story/2005/11/051113_ra-iran-banks.shtml
[13] See for example statements in Kayhan (Iran), November 10, 2005, November 11, 2005; Jomhouri-ye Eslami (Iran), November 15, 2005.
[14] MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 945, "Iran's New President Glorifies Martyrdom," July 29, 2005.
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=iran&ID=SP94505.
[15] http://roozonline.com/11english/011447.shtml. Mahdavi reported that Samareh, got his post in the Foreign Ministry thanks to his uncle, conservative Deputy Majlis Speaker Mohammad Reza Bahonar. Mahdavi told of the days-long investigations in the basement of the Iranian Foreign Ministry in which Samareh personally took part. In addition, Samareh also guided and trained the diplomatic staff. One of the courses he taught was "The Psychology of Infidels." According to Samareh, the way to identify a devout Muslim was by his trousers, his shoes, and his smile. For example, if the diplomat's trousers were perfectly creased, betrays his preference for royalty and privilege and a weakness to pro-Western intelligence agents, and can be a sign that the person is not dedicated to prayers. If his shoes did not have laces and the counters were broken down, it was a sign that he was used to taking them off quickly at the mosque entrance - "but he who wears polished, fashionable and laced shoes, clearly does not take them off" and thus is not a devout Muslim. In addition, smiling at strangers is a Western idea and speaks of a person who wishes to win the heart of the other.
[16] The ministries were oil, education, social welfare, and cooperatives. Although the Seventh Majlis has a conservative majority and the biggest faction in it, the Coalition of Iran's Developers (Abadgoran) supports Ahmadinejad, it does not rubber-stamp Ahmadinejad's decisions. The Majlis has conservative representatives from the old school, who are rivals of the militant faction - the Coalition of Iran's Developers - and who do not support Ahmadinejad's policies. When he took office, Ahmadinejad declared his intentions of fighting the corruption in the Majlis and in the government ministries. The Majlis rejected his nominees, claiming that they lacking the required administrative, political, and professional experience. The rejected candidates were eventually appointed by Ahmadinejad to other top posts that did not require Majlis approval. Of the list of candidates presented a second time by Ahmadinejad for Majlis approval, only three candidates were approved. The post of oil minister is still open.
[17] Kayhan (Iran), November 10, 2005; Sharq (Iran), November 10, 2005. See also http://roozonline.com/11english/011549.shtml.
[18] Also Hassan Rohani, who during Khatami's presidency was in charge of Iran's nuclear dossier.
[19] Rafsanjani was forced to say during Friday prayers in Ramadan that Iran had nothing against the Jews, only against Israel. Jomhouri-ye Eslami (Iran), October 29, 2005. Khatami, who had quarreled with Ahmadinejad even before the latter became president, stated that this kind of declarations were not helpful to Iran and to its interests in the international arena. Sharq (Iran), October 31, 2005.
[20] See quotes from Ahmadinejad's speech at the "World Without Zionism" conference: "In his battle against the World of Arrogance, our dear Imam [Khomeini] set the regime occupying Qods [Jerusalem] as the target of his fight. I do not doubt that the new wave [of suicide operations] which has begun in our dear Palestine... is a wave which has spread all over the Islamic world. Very soon, this stain of disgrace [i.e. Israel] will be purged from the center of the Islamic world - and this is attainable." See MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 1013, "Iranian President at Tehran Conference: 'Very Soon, This Stain of Disgrace [i.e. Israel] Will Be Purged From the Center of the Islamic World - and This is Attainable'" http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=iran&ID=SP101305.
See also Ahmadinejad's statement that "no one in the Islamic world has the right to officially recognize Israel." Sharq (Iran), October 31, 2005.
[21] In the framework of the détente policy of President Khatami, including also the initiative of the "Dialogue Between Civilizations" and "Coalition for Peace."
[22] See statements by Khamenei, Kayhan (Iran), Jomhouri-ye Eslami (Iran), November 5, 2005. Similarly, Iranian Foreign Minister Mamuchehr Mottaki said that Iran would soon submit this draft resolution to the U.N. and act to promote it.
[23] See report in Sharq (Iran), November 12, 2005.
[24] Sharq (Iran), November 14, 2005. It should be noted that the U.S. has denied its agreement to this proposal, and that both Iran and Russia later denied that any proposal of the kind even existed.
[25] See MEMRI Inquiry and Analysis No. 181, "The Internal Debate in Iran: How to Respond to Western Pressure Regarding Its Nuclear Program," June 17, 2004.
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=iran&ID=IA18104.
[26] On the series of firings in the Iranian Foreign Ministry, see Al-Sharq Al-Awsat (London), November 2, 2005; Sharq (Iran), November 5, 2005.
[27] Also on the subject or relations with Egypt, Rafsanjani stated, in contrast to Ahmadinejad's position, that Iran's level of relations with Egypt was not sufficient and it should be upgraded. Jomhouri-ye Eslami (Iran), November 2, 2005. It should be noted that 'Ali Larijani, in charge of Iran's nuclear dossier, who is known to be an associate of Khamenei, published a particularly moderate statement regarding Tehran's agreement to an immediate renewal of talks with Europe with no conditions - ignoring Ahmadinejad's demands regarding the non-inclusion of uranium conversion at the Isfahan plant as a condition for renewing talks.
[28] Al-Hayat (London), November 5, 2005.
[29] Al-Hayat (London), November 15, 2005.
[30] Kayhan (Iran), Sharq (Iran), November 15, 2005.
[31] Sharq (Iran), November 15, 2005; http://roozonline.com/11english/011770.shtml, November 16, 2005.
From ignorant to criminal: chomsky.info : What's New
chomsky.info : What's New
Blogger Thougths: Now that Steven Jones, BYU physics professor, is completely mainstream (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586&q=steven+jones),
the case for Chomsky not being part of the criminal conspiracy is looking sick.
Blogger Thougths: Now that Steven Jones, BYU physics professor, is completely mainstream (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586&q=steven+jones),
the case for Chomsky not being part of the criminal conspiracy is looking sick.
Media Matters - Wash. Post 's Deborah Howell misfires, ignoring falsehoods in Milbank article
Where did they find Howell, and can they send her back.....
Media Matters - Wash. Post 's Deborah Howell misfires, ignoring falsehoods in Milbank article
Media Matters - Wash. Post 's Deborah Howell misfires, ignoring falsehoods in Milbank article
USATODAY.com - U.S. freezes assets of group with alleged Hamas ties
USATODAY.com - U.S. freezes assets of group with alleged Hamas ties
U.S. freezes assets of group with alleged Hamas ties
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Treasury Department on Sunday ordered U.S. banks to freeze the assets of an Ohio-based group the government claims funnels money to the militant organization Hamas.
The organization, KindHearts of Toledo, Ohio, was connected with the Hamas-affiliated Holy Land Foundation and the al-Qaeda-affiliated Global Relief Foundation, the Treasury Department said. The government took similar action against those groups in late 2001.
Under the government action, U.S. citizens are barred from doing business with KindHearts.
KindHearts describes itself on its website as a non-profit charitable organization administering humanitarian aid to the world's poor. In the past, its officials have denied being connected to any terrorist group or individual.
KindHearts board member and Cleveland lawyer Jihad Smaili reiterated that position on Sunday.
"We are absolutely surprised and disappointed in the government's action," he said in a telephone interview. "This conduct by the government is going to be felt immediately by people who need KindHeart's assistance all over the world and in the United States."
He estimated the group provided $5 million to $6 million annually in charity assistance.
"This allegation that we support Hamas is unfounded and incredible," he said.
Smaili added that his group understands the current political climate after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and is "hoping the government will play fair and play by the rules even though the rules are made by the government."
Citing secrecy surrounding some aspects of investigations involving alleged terrorist connections, he said, "I hope they don't use this unfair weapon against us and prevent us even knowing the reason they are doing this or the evidence they have."
The government claims KindHearts officials have coordinated with Hamas leaders and made contributions to Hamas-affiliated organizations. The United States considers Hamas, now the most powerful political group in the Palestinian parliament, a terrorist group.
"KindHearts is the progeny of Holy Land Foundation and Global Relief Foundation, which attempted to mask their support for terrorism behind the facade of charitable giving," Stuart Levey, treasury undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, said in a statement.
A call to the KindHearts office in Toledo was answered by a man who identified himself as a federal officer. "We're padlocking the office," said the man, who did not give his name.
U.S. freezes assets of group with alleged Hamas ties
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Treasury Department on Sunday ordered U.S. banks to freeze the assets of an Ohio-based group the government claims funnels money to the militant organization Hamas.
The organization, KindHearts of Toledo, Ohio, was connected with the Hamas-affiliated Holy Land Foundation and the al-Qaeda-affiliated Global Relief Foundation, the Treasury Department said. The government took similar action against those groups in late 2001.
Under the government action, U.S. citizens are barred from doing business with KindHearts.
KindHearts describes itself on its website as a non-profit charitable organization administering humanitarian aid to the world's poor. In the past, its officials have denied being connected to any terrorist group or individual.
KindHearts board member and Cleveland lawyer Jihad Smaili reiterated that position on Sunday.
"We are absolutely surprised and disappointed in the government's action," he said in a telephone interview. "This conduct by the government is going to be felt immediately by people who need KindHeart's assistance all over the world and in the United States."
He estimated the group provided $5 million to $6 million annually in charity assistance.
"This allegation that we support Hamas is unfounded and incredible," he said.
Smaili added that his group understands the current political climate after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and is "hoping the government will play fair and play by the rules even though the rules are made by the government."
Citing secrecy surrounding some aspects of investigations involving alleged terrorist connections, he said, "I hope they don't use this unfair weapon against us and prevent us even knowing the reason they are doing this or the evidence they have."
The government claims KindHearts officials have coordinated with Hamas leaders and made contributions to Hamas-affiliated organizations. The United States considers Hamas, now the most powerful political group in the Palestinian parliament, a terrorist group.
"KindHearts is the progeny of Holy Land Foundation and Global Relief Foundation, which attempted to mask their support for terrorism behind the facade of charitable giving," Stuart Levey, treasury undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, said in a statement.
A call to the KindHearts office in Toledo was answered by a man who identified himself as a federal officer. "We're padlocking the office," said the man, who did not give his name.
Re: [911InsideJobbers] USS Cole (prob old news to most of you)
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] USS Cole (prob old news to most of you)
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:37:57 -0600
can't provide link now, but i put up today at team8plus.org also
an article, where it's mentioned that the president from yemen claimed,
that Yemen was never informed about USS Cole coming to Yemen, though
it's official procedure. I think, it's even same article (?)
Should be in MISC, "Scripting Terror Soap" -last update
> At the time of the bombings, a Yemeni regime official advanced the theory
> that the U.S. had blown up the boat itself, as pretense for an invasion.
>
> http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=1614&cid=2&sid=90
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Sunday, February 19, 2006
[911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 386
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. New PopMech 9/11 article
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
2. New PopMech 9/11 article
From: nicohaupt@gmx.li
3. Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
4. Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
5. Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
6. Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
7. Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
8. Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
9. Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]
From: "truthinmichigan" <kgkitchen@hotmail.com>
10. FW: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
11. RE: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
12. Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
13. Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
14. Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
15. Re: Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
16. Hannity has discussion thread on Loose Change
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
17. Newsweek "reveals" new 9/11-Anthrax/Cipro spin
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
18. Revised with new link for Wing TV if you can't get the original to load
From: "Marsha" <Mofmars3@wmconnect.com>
19. Don't miss this free video for the "Truth about 9/11" Forward Everywhere
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
20. Re: Newsweek "reveals" new 9/11-Anthrax/Cipro spin
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
21. Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
22. Re: Newsweek "reveals" new 9/11-Anthrax/Cipro spin
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
23. Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
24. Re: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
25. USS Cole (prob old news to most of you)
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:28:33 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: New PopMech 9/11 article
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1230517.html
March, 2005 issue
The Lies Are Out There
BY JIM MEIGS
"...It has been 3-1/2 years since the September 11 attacks. In that time,
the American people have questioned why we were caught off guard and have
demanded to know the whole story behind the events of that terrible day...
...Sadly, the noble search for truth is now being hijacked by a growing army
of conspiracy theorists. A few of these skeptics make a responsible effort
to sift through the mountain of information, but most ignore all but a few
stray details they think support their theories. In fact, many conspiracy
advocates demonstrate a maddening double standard. They distrust every bit
of the mainstream account of 9/11, yet happily embrace the flimsiest
evidence to promote their wildest notions: that Osama bin Laden attacked the
United States with help from the CIA; that the hijacked planes weren't
commercial jets, but military aircraft, cruise missiles or remote-control
drones; that the World Trade Center buildings were professionally
demolished.
These 9/11 conspiracy theories, long popular abroad, are gradually--though
more quietly--seeping into mainstream America. Allegations of U.S.
complicity in the attacks have become standard fare on talk radio and among
activists on both the extreme left and the extreme right of the political
spectrum...
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:36:40 +0100 (MET)
From: nicohaupt@gmx.li
Subject: New PopMech 9/11 article
...oops, i just realised that this is the 1 year old editorial.
It was oddly in today's google news again. Never mind -:)
>>>>
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1230517.html
March, 2005 issue
The Lies Are Out There
BY JIM MEIGS
"...It has been 3-1/2 years since the September 11 attacks. In that time,
the American people have questioned why we were caught off guard and have
demanded to know the whole story behind the events of that terrible day...
...Sadly, the noble search for truth is now being hijacked by a growing army
of conspiracy theorists. A few of these skeptics make a responsible effort
to sift through the mountain of information, but most ignore all but a few
stray details they think support their theories. In fact, many conspiracy
advocates demonstrate a maddening double standard. They distrust every bit
of the mainstream account of 9/11, yet happily embrace the flimsiest
evidence to promote their wildest notions: that Osama bin Laden attacked the
United States with help from the CIA; that the hijacked planes weren't
commercial jets, but military aircraft, cruise missiles or remote-control
drones; that the World Trade Center buildings were professionally
demolished.
These 9/11 conspiracy theories, long popular abroad, are gradually--though
more quietly--seeping into mainstream America. Allegations of U.S.
complicity in the attacks have become standard fare on talk radio and among
activists on both the extreme left and the extreme right of the political
spectrum...
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:54:05 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
Is there a link with this or pictures? All I see is text.
But otherwise I agree in general with your comments.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "FONEBONE" <fonebone@...> wrote:
>
> WHERE ARE the 160 foot wide wings ?
>
> They created this scar <below> in the NORTH TOWER NORTH FACE AT IMPACT
> NO?
> <left> Underside of a Boeing 767 <right> magnification of the
> "PLANE"
> and shadow from the still extracted from the Naudet video with a color
> filter applied
> to ferret out hidden details
>
>
>
>
> Scar of Jumbo-jet in WTC 1 north wall created by the 160 foot wings ---
> again color filtered for clue extraction -
>
> This scar had to be created by preplaced and prepositioned explosive
charges
> to created this Hollywood
> Special Effect scar because there DAMN SURE AIN'T NO 160 FOOT WIDE WINGS
>
>
>
> The width of the tower wall is 220 feet and the tip to tip wing span
of a
> Boeing 767 is 160 feet
> This ratio of 160 / 220 is reduced to 16 / 22 and finally to 8 / 11
> The ratio of wingspan to building width with the angle of bank at
impact as
> indicated by the scar
> is superimposed in RED over the cigar shaped scar to indicate
exactly where
> these huge
> FAT WINGS SHOULD BE -
> The YELLOW ball indicates SUN position with the yellow line revealing
> SUN-RAY Path
> to help thinkers gauge exactly where the WING SHADOWS should be
>
>
>
> WHERE ARE THE 160 FOOT WINGS ?
> point them out --
> CUT the CRAP THIS is a MISSILE - FONEBONE
>
>
>
> [FONEBONE]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:47 AM
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of
the first
> hit ("impact" only)
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:24:42 -0000
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
Dr. Rice Does D.C.?
Rumsfeld's Reaming Rapture?
USAma Finds The G.Z.-Spot?
Bluescreen Velvet?
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Roy McCoy <roy@...> wrote:
>
> Total Information wrote:
>
> > On your desktop, you can take foreign uncopyrighted porn,
> > dub it with 9/11 dialogue, and intercut it with video research.
> >
> > I can't think of a title yet, though...
>
> "Inside Job"?
>
> "Deep 9/11"?
>
> "Cheney Throat"?
>
> "The Devil in Mr. Rumsfeld"?
>
>
> Roy McCoy
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:38:49 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
>>>Devin Clark - BIO
>
> Devin only wants to draw pictures and make things move. His skill
set lies in illustration, graphics >design, and animation.<<<<
Sounds like a perp to me! Especially since his camera angle was the
same as a CNN shot, I wonder if he did the CNN animation...
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
>
> The "plane" hippityhops.
> This is proof it is animation. The duplicates stop as soon as it
> vanishes behind the building for a shade too long.
> That's not the only thing wrong with it!
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
>
> Here's about the credited "author."
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Body Atomic Footage - Devin Clark
> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:21:13 +0000
> From: marcus icke <pa28112@...>
>
>
>
> http://www.terrorize.dk/911/misc2/
>
> Devin Clark - BIO
>
>
> >Devin only wants to draw pictures and make things move. His skill
set lies
> >in illustration, graphics >design, and animation.
>
>
> Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
>
>
> >After graduating from Syracuse University's School of Visual Arts
with a
> >concentration in >Experimental Video he made the inevitable
migration to
> >New York City to join the race.
>
>
>
> Er.....whoops
>
> Devin cut his chops editing and creating motion graphics for music
videos
> and web-channels at Wavexpress, a on-line video service.
>
>
> Shite!
>
> He also has continued to create experimental video like "Bendable",
which
> toured the U.S. with the One Minute Video Festival.
>
>
> Hmmmmm....
>
>
> His most recent "COCK", a humorous look at a day in the life of the
male
> organ, played at Rooftop Film's 2004 summer show.
>
>
>
>
>
> perpetualynquisitive wrote:
> > Just noticed another interesting anomaly in that 'new' footage. At the
> > 1:08 mark, after the camera zooms back out, if you look at WTC7
you can
> > see the 'outline' of a person reflected in the window, it is very
faint,
> > but you can still make out that this person seems to be holding a cell
> > phone up to the side of their face (1:08-1:16).
> >
> > Wasn't it in 'Rising Sun' that there was a part where they used
> > computers to 'erase' a reflection of the murderer from the windows in
> > the hallway?
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> That's interesting. In most of the videos, including the first hit,
> >>
> > when
> >
> >> there is background reacting the phrase is holey shit..
> >> I don't remember any other holey cow.
> >>
> >>
> >> alexldent wrote:
> >>
> >>> I see. Makes sense!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" robertjcash@ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> "Holy Cow!" was a term used by the LONGtime NY Yankees announcer
> >>>>
> > Phil
> >
> >>>> Rizzuto, when he saw an exceptional play. If you grew up here in
> >>>>
> > NYC
> >
> >>>> watching the Yankee games called by Phil on WPIX TV, that phrase is
> >>>> engrained in yer brain!
> >>>>
> >>>> So...it's an expression that most likely a NY'er would use.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent" <alexldent@>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yep. That smoke is rather interesting...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I see the flashes too. Bizarre.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive" <
> >>>>> perpetualynquisitive@> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Did anyone else see the column of smoke to the left of the
> >>>>>>
> > Woolworth
> >
> >>>>>> building? (37 seconds)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or the flashes from near that same area (slightly to the left and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> lower
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> than the smoke) at 1:31, 1:34, 1:37, 1:42, 1:44, during the
> >>>>>>
> > North
> >
> >>>> Tower
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> collapse?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>> webfairy@>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Speech accents. Somebody's channelling Bela Lugosi I think.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> alexldent wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Not sure what you mean by "accents".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Video accents? Or speech accents from the people in the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> background?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> webfairy@
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But it's an EXCELLENT fake...absolutely state of the art..
> >>>>>>>>> The oookiest part is the accents.
> >>>>>>>>> Rick Siegel hasn't gotten back to me about whatever
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> connection with
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> his
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> production company, which is not "his" but was hired.
> >>>>>>>>> Seigel, in exile growing his own food in Europe, didn't even
> >>>>>>>>>
> > have
> >
> >>>>>> an
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> internet connection at the time.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I haven't yet recovered the archive from June 2005 alerting me
> >>>>>>>>>
> > to
> >
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> this file.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It was a message from Marcus Icke, who somehow always knows
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>> where
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> good
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> footage is.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:44:27 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scanned copy of Maxim's 9/11 article
>
> Dr. Rice Does D.C.?
>
well, she does have those dominatrix boots....
although I've heard she goes more for the ladies...
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:21:08 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Request for Rosalee, re: duplicates frame animation
>>>http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/
> >
> > The "plane" hippityhops.
> > This is proof it is animation. The duplicates stop as soon as it
> > vanishes behind the building for a shade too long.
> > That's not the only thing wrong with it!
> > http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/<<<
Is there anyway you can put something together on a page showing how
there are duplicates with the plane and then they stop when the plane
goes behind the building?
That seems to be solid proof of video manipulation, and it would be
great if we had a page that lays out this proof.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:01:17 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
OK, does anyone doubt now that the "famous" south west approach [coming in from right to left] is not the approach that the blue plane is on?
Tim, the witness who said he saw "11" slow up and seem to line up on the target confirms what happened with "175". If "175" dropped in a short air space then that too would constitute a line up to the target.
Is the blue plane going to become the one that we all accept as a real one until proven to be something else?
----- Original Message -----
From: Nico Haupt
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Cc: perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
> --- Urspr�ngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax
> pictures from CNN
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:41:39 -0000
>
i still believe, the most contradicting "flying"- and "speed" anamoly
compared with all over clips (including this at
http://thewebfairy.com/911/big/, i call it 'remake')
is at http://thewebfairy.com/911/2hit/blueplane.htm
It's still very fascinating, seeing this object in a totally different
behavior, also shaking a lot and turning its belly, which is awesome for a
767 :)
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:02:08 -0000
From: "truthinmichigan" <kgkitchen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]
Here is footage with evidence of a thermite-like incendiary. Has
everyone seen this already?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid==-2991254740145858863&q=�meraplanet+9%2F11
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> The dirty yellow smoke is absolutely unmistakably identical to WTC
> explosions.
> This footage also has the best fireball sequence I've ever seen.
> We don't get to see the top of the fireball, but I betcha it's bright
> yellow, like the top of the first hit explosion:
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/halloween/halloween.htm
>
> Ed Barner is the archivist behind the Binaries directory.
> This collection is his work, not mine.
> I just get a little reflected glory, and the chance to know about great
> finds like this video!
>
> Ed Barner wrote:
> > Kick ass thermite video.
> > http://thewebfairy.com/911/binaries/thermite.wmv
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:41:29 -0500
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
Subject: FW: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
-----Original Message-----
From: FONEBONE [mailto:FONEBONE@GOES.COM]
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:56 PM
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the
first hit ("impact" only)
WHERE ARE the 160 foot wide wings ?
They created this scar <below> in the NORTH TOWER NORTH FACE AT IMPACT
NO?
<left> Underside of a Boeing 767 <right> magnification of the
"PLANE"
and shadow from the still extracted from the Naudet video with a color
filter applied
to ferret out hidden details
Scar of Jumbo-jet in WTC 1 north wall created by the 160 foot wings ---
again color filtered for clue extraction -
This scar had to be created by preplaced and prepositioned explosive charges
to created this Hollywood
Special Effect scar because there DAMN SURE AIN'T NO 160 FOOT WIDE WINGS
The width of the tower wall is 220 feet and the tip to tip wing span of a
Boeing 767 is 160 feet
This ratio of 160 / 220 is reduced to 16 / 22 and finally to 8 / 11
The ratio of wingspan to building width with the angle of bank at impact as
indicated by the scar
is superimposed in RED over the cigar shaped scar to indicate exactly where
these huge
FAT WINGS SHOULD BE -
The YELLOW ball indicates SUN position with the yellow line revealing
SUN-RAY Path
to help thinkers gauge exactly where the WING SHADOWS should be
WHERE ARE THE 160 FOOT WINGS ?
point them out --
CUT the CRAP THIS is a MISSILE - FONEBONE
[FONEBONE]
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Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:47 AM
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first
hit ("impact" only)
http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/frame-by-frame-analysis-extreme
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:44:57 -0500
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
Subject: RE: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
Mornin Alex I have sent the original post again
Yahoo does't archive the graphics I guess
If the graphics don't come thru again ,include your direct email and I'll
send it to you directly
--Fonebone
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From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:54 AM
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the
first hit ("impact" only)
Is there a link with this or pictures? All I see is text.
But otherwise I agree in general with your comments.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "FONEBONE" <fonebone@...> wrote:
>
> WHERE ARE the 160 foot wide wings ?
>
> They created this scar <below> in the NORTH TOWER NORTH FACE AT IMPACT
> NO?
> <left> Underside of a Boeing 767 <right> magnification of the
> "PLANE"
> and shadow from the still extracted from the Naudet video with a color
> filter applied
> to ferret out hidden details
>
>
>
>
> Scar of Jumbo-jet in WTC 1 north wall created by the 160 foot wings ---
> again color filtered for clue extraction -
>
> This scar had to be created by preplaced and prepositioned explosive
charges
> to created this Hollywood
> Special Effect scar because there DAMN SURE AIN'T NO 160 FOOT WIDE WINGS
>
>
>
> The width of the tower wall is 220 feet and the tip to tip wing span
of a
> Boeing 767 is 160 feet
> This ratio of 160 / 220 is reduced to 16 / 22 and finally to 8 / 11
> The ratio of wingspan to building width with the angle of bank at
impact as
> indicated by the scar
> is superimposed in RED over the cigar shaped scar to indicate
exactly where
> these huge
> FAT WINGS SHOULD BE -
> The YELLOW ball indicates SUN position with the yellow line revealing
> SUN-RAY Path
> to help thinkers gauge exactly where the WING SHADOWS should be
>
>
>
> WHERE ARE THE 160 FOOT WINGS ?
> point them out --
> CUT the CRAP THIS is a MISSILE - FONEBONE
>
>
>
> [FONEBONE]
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:47 AM
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of
the first
> hit ("impact" only)
>
>
>
>
http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/frame-by-frame-analysis-extreme
> .html
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:03:09 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
I was going to do an article/analysis of the facts surrounding an eye witness to the approach of 175 but this is an ideal time so here it is, in brief.
Stanley Praimnath [assistant vice president] of Fugi Bank who had floors 78-83 in the south tower. 175 cut across, off centre, floors 77-84. 175 plunged through into the room where he had to dive beneath his desk. [on the 81st floor] The plane had SLIGHTLY banked at the last second. The Fugi offices were at the centre of the crash area. The wing of the jet was jammed into a door, twenty feet from where Praimnath was beneath his desk.
His office window looked south over New York Harbour and the Statue of Liberty. Whilst seated he spotted an unfamiliar shape on the horizon. He could see the red and blue marking and the letter "U" as it approached. He dived under his desk.
Here is a picture of N612UA:-
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=44867&WxsIERv==Obrvat%20767-222&Wm==0&WdsYXMg==Havgrq%20Nveyvarf&QtODMg==Ybf%20Natryrf%20-%20Vagreangvbany%20%28YNK%20%2F%20XYNK%29&ERDLTkt==HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp==Wnahnel%2028%2C%201997&BP==1&WNEb25u==Xwryy%20avyffba&xsIERvdWdsY=�12HN&MgTUQtODMgKE==Guvf%20nvepensg%20penfurq%20vagb%20Jbeyq%20Genqr%20Pragre%2C%20ohvyqvat%20Gjb%20va%20ALP%2C%20ba%20Frcg%2011%2C%202001...%209%3A03%20ybpny%20gvzr%20nf%20syvtug%20HN175&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=D79&NEb25uZWxs= 05-05-24%2017%3A19%3A37&ODJ9dvCE==&O89Dcjdg=!873%2F41&static==yes&width=24&height=f5&sok==&photo_nr=&prev_id=65747&next_id=38568&size==L
The red & blue marking to which Stanley Praimnath refers is obviously the logo on the planes' tailfin [in fact it is two "U"'s overlayed
Praimnath is said to be on the phone to a colleague in Chicago who had rang to inquire after his well-being and she was watching the tv and listening to him at the same time. These facts attributed to Praimnath are not in quotes.
I'm sure our resident expert with Flight Simulator, Marcus could simulate the angle at which 175 was flying towards the south wall of the south tower for Praimnath to have seen a side view of the tailfin but I'm sure you will all see how very unlikely this is. To see the "U" the tailfin would have had to be flying across Praimnaths' line of sight. Had it been flying across his line of sight it would have passed the south tower and thus he would have looked foolish had he then dived under his desk.
Now, had Praimnath "seen" the UA livery, as a whole, which would have been more likely [although still doubtful if it was flying towards him and the tower] that would have been oviously sufficient. The question is how did he see the "U" instead of the vast amount of livery?
What puts this beyond any question of fakery is the fact that had he seen the side of the tail he would have seen the side of the fuselage with the airline name along it. Of course had the side of the fuselage been seen that would have been too obvious the plane was flying past the tower and not towards it.
[source of Praimnaths' alleged observations - the book "102 Minutes".
----- Original Message -----
From: Rosalee Grable
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com ; Marcus Icke
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
But it's an EXCELLENT fake...absolutely state of the art..
The oookiest part is the accents.
Rick Siegel hasn't gotten back to me about whatever connection with his
production company, which is not "his" but was hired.
Seigel, in exile growing his own food in Europe, didn't even have an
internet connection at the time.
I haven't yet recovered the archive from June 2005 alerting me to this file.
It was a message from Marcus Icke, who somehow always knows where good
footage is.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
alexldent wrote:
> Bizarre. The path of the plane is clearly at a much different angle
> than any other second hit footage I've seen. Clearly fake.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> wrote:
>
>> This is the best second hit cartoon I've ever seen.
>> I first saw it as as an alleged "preview clip" from 911eyewitness,
>> downloaded from Blue Star Productions in June 2005.
>> Perhaps Jullie Blattenbauer can give more details of the source as she
>> knows it.
>>
>> This second hit IS NOT part of the 911eyewitness footage on the DVD,
>>
> and
>
>> Rick Siegel says he didn't see any planes and didn't know anybody
>>
> who did.
>
>> Larger version:
>> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
>>
>>
>> Scott Loughrey wrote:
>>
>>> this is a much smoother version of the flight 175
>>> animation. This time the movement seems less
>>> skittish. Still, it continues to displays the same
>>> perspective problem that Webfairy has noticed.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Julie Blattenbauer <> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:00:42 -0800
>>>> From: "Julie Blattenbauer" <>
>>>> To: ScottL44@...
>>>> Subject: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bodyatomic.com/video.html
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:22:04 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
Did you see the translucent "mushroom" shape emerge just before the north tower centre core collapsed?
----- Original Message -----
From: alexldent
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
Yep. That smoke is rather interesting...
I see the flashes too. Bizarre.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive" <
perpetualynquisitive@...> wrote:
>
> Did anyone else see the column of smoke to the left of the Woolworth
> building? (37 seconds)
>
> Or the flashes from near that same area (slightly to the left and lower
> than the smoke) at 1:31, 1:34, 1:37, 1:42, 1:44, during the North Tower
> collapse?
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Speech accents. Somebody's channelling Bela Lugosi I think.
> >
> >
> > alexldent wrote:
> > > Not sure what you mean by "accents".
> > >
> > > Video accents? Or speech accents from the people in the background?
> > >
> > > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable webfairy@
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> But it's an EXCELLENT fake...absolutely state of the art..
> > >> The oookiest part is the accents.
> > >> Rick Siegel hasn't gotten back to me about whatever connection with
> his
> > >> production company, which is not "his" but was hired.
> > >> Seigel, in exile growing his own food in Europe, didn't even have
> an
> > >> internet connection at the time.
> > >>
> > >> I haven't yet recovered the archive from June 2005 alerting me to
> > >>
> > > this file.
> > >
> > >> It was a message from Marcus Icke, who somehow always knows
where
> good
> > >> footage is.
> > >>
> > >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:41:59 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
Something clearly cut through the outer shell of the east wall of the south tower. Possibly the whole width too. That required somthing going straight along on the inside or a vacant floor and a laser.
The outer shell wall was cut clean through. Think about that.
----- Original Message -----
From: alexldent
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:04 PM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
Really--- at that angle of approach, the plane should have bashed through the
east wall, instead of the north wall, of WTC2.
I wonder if they just cooked up this video footage to go with that particular
northern shot of the WTC2 fireball, with a very dramatic view of the "plane"
approaching?
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive" <
perpetualynquisitive@...> wrote:
>
> Actually there is something else, this angle looks way TOOOO familiar,
> it's the exact same camera angle as the zoom-in of the actual-crash.avi
> with the 3 frame light flash across the screen anomaly.
>
> Also note that nobody reacts to the 'plane'. It is only after the
> explosion starts that anybody says anything.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "perpetualynquisitive"
> <perpetualynquisitive@> wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone else see the column of smoke to the left of the Woolworth
> > building? (37 seconds)
> >
> > Or the flashes from near that same area (slightly to the left and
> lower
> > than the smoke) at 1:31, 1:34, 1:37, 1:42, 1:44, during the North
> Tower
> > collapse?
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable webfairy@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Speech accents. Somebody's channelling Bela Lugosi I think.
> > >
> > >
> > > alexldent wrote:
> > > > Not sure what you mean by "accents".
> > > >
> > > > Video accents? Or speech accents from the people in the
> background?
> > > >
> > > > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
webfairy@
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> But it's an EXCELLENT fake...absolutely state of the art..
> > > >> The oookiest part is the accents.
> > > >> Rick Siegel hasn't gotten back to me about whatever connection
> with
> > his
> > > >> production company, which is not "his" but was hired.
> > > >> Seigel, in exile growing his own food in Europe, didn't even have
> > an
> > > >> internet connection at the time.
> > > >>
> > > >> I haven't yet recovered the archive from June 2005 alerting me to
> > > >>
> > > > this file.
> > > >
> > > >> It was a message from Marcus Icke, who somehow always knows
where
> > good
> > > >> footage is.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:07:56 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]
Can you imagine the amount of thought process required to use thermite on the tower and the timings required to start off the thermite reactions and then the laying of the devices and detonators?
Horseshoe shaped clean steel beams. Thermite?
----- Original Message -----
From: alexldent
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:27 PM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [Fwd: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.]
That is cool, thanks!
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Ed Barner
<edwinatlcom.net@...> wrote:
>
> Kick ass thermite video.
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/binaries/thermite.wmv
>
>
> truthinmichigan wrote:
>
> > Thermite produces a buttload of heat and intense blue-whiteish light.
> > If you set Thermite going to work away at the structure you'd see the
> > equivalent of an arc-welder light filtering through any cracks.
> > People evacuating would see it. It also takes time. It's not instant
> > like cutter charges. They use thermite sticks -- the stuff even burns
> > under water -- to cut pilings, but it is like a cutting torch. And
> > you'd surely set adjacent materials aflame everywhere it was used.
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: Finally!! Thermite enters the WTC discussion.
> > > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:35:31 -0500
> > > From: <naserian@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Commentary on Killtown's piece*
> > > *from Michael Rivero:*
> > > *www.WhatReallyHappened.com* <http://www.WhatReallyHappened.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > 9/11 Rescuer Saw Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby
> > >
> >
<http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html>
> >
> > >
> > > Posted *Feb 11, 2006 08:36 AM
> > >
<http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html#042766>* PST
> > > Category: 911
<http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html>
> > >
> > > Okay, the time has come to clarify things a bit.
> > >
> > > While it is impossible to discount the possibility that some form of
> > > "assistance" such as *thermite* was used to initiate the collapse of
> > the
> > > towers and WTC7, the explosions on the basements and lobbies of the
> > > buildings have a benign explanation.
> > >
> > > Remember that two passenger jets full of aviation kerosene
crashed into
> > > the buildings. Contrary to the official story of pooling on the
impact
> > > floors, all the kerosene that did not immediately flash into orange
> > > flame poured down elevator and ventilation shafts to the lowest
levels
> > > in the building, particlizing on the long drop down. Upon
finding any
> > > source of ignition, the kerosene mist would explode. The
buildings all
> > > shared a common basement and parking areas, so that burning
kerosene in
> > > the basement of one building would drive smoke across and up
into the
> > > other buildings. As the towers and WTC7 collapsed, air driven into
> > their
> > > elevator and ventilation shafts into those shared underground
passages
> > > would blow huge billows of smoke out of the other buildings.
> > >
> > > The reason not to get tied up with reports of explosions in the
> > > basements and lobbies is because anything planted in the
buildings to
> > > trigger a collapse would have been planted at the initial points of
> > > failure. And, considering the attention being focused on the
events of
> > > 9-11, /*the planners would not use explosives that would produce
> > > suspicious noise and flashes.*/ The collapse would have to be
triggered
> > > with a minimum of visible and audible artifacts, so rather than
> > > explosives, a "cutter" such as *thermite *would have been used to
> > weaken
> > > load bearing members.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Betonamit" "DEXPAN" and "Bristar" and " Fract.AG expansive
mortar "
> > > are all "*/explosives that would produce suspicious noise and
> > > flashes." /* As a matter of fact, they do not even explode. These
> > > substances as marketed as non-explosive alternatives to
fracturing rock
> > > of re-inforced concrete. Just drill a hole, place the powder in and
> > then
> > > add water -- via a sprinkle system or carefully placed hoses.
Then run
> > > for dear life.
> > >
> > > Depending on the type of SCDA(Soundless chemical demolition
agents),
> > > significant expansive pressure may be generated as quickly as
within 15
> > > min., or as long as within 24 hr.
> > > http://www.new-technologies.org/ECT/Civil/soundche.htm
> > >
> > > Soundless chemical-demolition agents (SCDAs) ? These come in powder
> > form
> > > and are mixed with water to form a slurry, which is inserted in
> > > boreholes in rock or concrete. The main component of SCDAs is
calcium
> > > oxide, which forms calcium hydroxide when water is added. The
resulting
> > > volatile reaction creates heat, and as the material crystallizes
within
> > > the rock, it causes a threefold increase in volume. Tensile
fracturing
> > > may occur within 10-15 minutes or up to 24 hours. Although
inhibitors
> > > can be added to retard the chemical reaction and increase
control over
> > > the process, the technique is still primitive, and its actual
field use
> > > has been quite limited. SCDAs have generally been used only where
> > > blasting is prohibited, and will eliminate flyrock, noise,
fumes, and
> > > vibrations associated with blasting. SCDAs have been used
underwater in
> > > Seattle to remove bridge piers from docks and to avoid blasting
> > close to
> > > shore. The high cost of SCDAs and some bad experiences in
controlling
> > > the pre-splitting have caused the Corps of Engineers to limit its
> > use of
> > > the expansive agents.
> > > [Source: /Civil Engineering /magazine, March 1990]
> > > BRISTAR is a chemical-demolition agent designed for various
temperature
> > > ranges, and has been used for several Reclamation projects. It
> > generally
> > > requires holes from 1�-2 inches in diameter spaced less than 2 feet
> > apart.
> > >
> > >
> > > The south tower, WTC 2, which had been hit second, was the first to
> > > suffer a complete structural collapse at 10:05am, 62 minutes after
> > being
> > > hit itself, 80 minutes after the first impact.
> > > The north tower, WTC 1, then also collapsed at 10:29am, 104 minutes
> > > after being hit.
> > > http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/World_Trade_Center.html
> > >
> > > *Collapse times
> > > South Tower -- 80 minutes, approx one and a half hours
> > > North tower -- 104 minutes, approx two hours*
> > >
> > > Greater Baton Rouge Business Report - *November 1, 1990*
> > > *Diana Armstrong* knew a good opportunity when she saw it. She ran
> > > across the product last year at a trade show and now she is
> > distributing
> > > Betonamit in some 20 states, Canada, Mexico and the Virgin Islands.
> > > Representatives of *Kubatec, the European company that makes the
> > > Betonamit powder*, were looking for an American investor. At the
time,
> > > the product was widely used in Europe, but it had not been
> > introduced to
> > > the United States.
> > > Armstrong said she researched the company, visited its *lab in
> > > Liechtenstein* and tested the product before buying into the idea.
> > > <snip>
> > > "Louisiana doesn't have any rock," she said. "I had to start with
> > places
> > > where there was already an interest in my product, so I started
in the
> > > Northeast."
> > > *For example, one of Betonamit's largest clients is the New York
> > Transit
> > > Authority.
> > > *"The workers are continually making repairs on the subway
system, but
> > > they can't blast. And because they do most of their work from 11
> > p.m. to
> > > 6 a.m., they have to hold down on the noise," Armstrong said.
> > > She has also provided Betonamit to NASA at Cape Canaveral in August
> > > where workers used Betonamit to tear down a submerged concrete
piling
> > > near the base. And in Washington, engineers used the product for a
> > > sensitive job 500 feet underneath a hydroelectric plant.
> > > Although, Armstrong handles some of these special jobs
personally, much
> > > of her business is through distributors.
> > > Her largest distributor is an Ohio hardware salesman who serves as
> > > master distributor in the New England area. She's also established
> > > master distributors in Canada and Mexico.
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Betonamit's competition is two similar Japanese products sold in the
> > > United States--Bristar and S-Mite. But Armstrong claims the products
> > > lack some of the qualities available with Betonamit.
> > > Betonamit can be used at any temperature, with warmer temperatures
> > > increasing the speed of the expansion process. The reaction exerts
> > up to
> > > 12,000 pounds per square inch of pressure. And depending upon
the size
> > > of the structure and the temperature, *the demolition process
can take
> > > as little as one and a-half hours* or as much as 36 hours, Armstrong
> > said.
> > > Because the product is easy to use and ecologically safe, *Betonamit
> > > requires no license or permit for _use_ or transportation.
> > > *The product comes in two types: Betonamit Type R is the standard
> > liquid
> > > form used to fill vertically drilled holes; Type S is a putty-like,
> > > kneadable mass that can be put into holes drilled overhead and
> > > horizontally, as well as holes in porous or cracked material. It can
> > > also be easily used in underwater applications.
> > > The Japanese products, however, require three to four additives
> > > depending upon the temperature, and they're limited to the
liquid form,
> > > Armstrong said.
> > >
> >
http://www.caribbean7.com/articles/virgin-islands/virgin-islands-article-4290.html
> >
> > > *How utterly convenient is the fact that these non-explosives do not
> > > require permits of any type.
> > > *
> > > *U.S. ANCHOR'S COMPOUNDS FUELING COMPANY GROWTH*
> > > Magazine: South Florida Business Journal, *February 24, 1995*
> > > Though *U.S. Anchor* has an answer for many South Florida
building ills,
> > > *president Hart McIntyre* insists his company doesn't sell
products. "We
> > > sell solutions," he said.
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > The company also has searched the globe for products generally not
> > > available in the states. One is Upat, a line of mechanical anchors.
> > > Another is Kubatec, a European product sold under the name
Betonamit.
> > > When mixed with water, this non-explosive demolition material can
> > > produce 12,000 to 14,000 pounds per square inch of pressure,
effectively
> > > shattering any rock or stone substrate without explosion or
spark. It
> > > may be more expensive than dynamite, McIntyre admitted. But *in
areas
> > > where blasting is unrealistic or will violate restrictions on
noise or
> > > flammability, like hospitals or office buildings, Betonamit is a
viable
> > > alternative.
> > > *"When you're willing to put a pencil to the job-costing
process, this
> > > can be the way to go," he said.
> > >
> >
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=�che:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl==en&gl==us&ct==clnk&cd=
> >
<http://72.14.207.104/search?q=�che:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl==en&gl==us&ct==clnk&cd=>
> >
> > >
> >
<http://72.14.207.104/search?q=�che:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl==en&gl==us&ct==clnk&cd=
> >
<http://72.14.207.104/search?q=�che:W3_M42esMV4J:mgv.mim.edu.my/Articles/00592/96021835.Htm+kubatec+betonamit&hl==en&gl==us&ct==clnk&cd=>>
> > >
> > > *When the twin towers collapsed, the Port Authority Trans-Hudson
> > > Corporations WTC commuter rail station underneath the site was
> > > destroyed, along with one unoccupied train.* Also, transit
tunnels and
> > > stations at the site were severely damaged, causing interruption
of MTA
> > > New York City Transit subway service on two lines.
> > > A special commemorative issue of /At Your Service,/ the NYC Transit
> > > employee newsletter, described the damage: nearly 1,400 feet of
subway
> > > tunnels beneath the towers had caved in or had filled with rubble;
> > > utilities had collapsed into the tunnel; columns from the World
Trade
> > > Center had pierced the tunnel roof; and two-thirds of the Cortlandt
> > > Street Station on the WTC site had also given way.
> > > According to NYC Transit President Lawrence G. Reuter, who moderated
> > the
> > > session, the restoration of subway service through Ground Zero
and the
> > > reopening of one of the Rector Street Station in less than nine
months
> > > was one of the most successful subway-infrastructure reconstruction
> > > projects in the systems history.
> > > http://www.apta.com/passenger_transport/thisweek/0930-6.cfm
> > >
> > > *I thought that the third rail on those trains is electrified.
> > > How come there were no spontaneous fires in the vicinity, and most
> > > especially fires involving gas lines?
> > > How come the tunnels were not flooded with water? Who shut off the
> > mains?
> > >
> > > Anyhow, it is very very gratifying to see thermite
> > > (and hopefully later cementitious compunds)
> > > entering the mainstrewam 911 debate.*
> > >
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:07:38 -0000
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Hannity has discussion thread on Loose Change
http://www.hannity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55607
Perhaps those of you have haven't posted to the thread about tomorrow
could post replies.
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:33:24 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Newsweek "reveals" new 9/11-Anthrax/Cipro spin
...duh... :(
NEWSWEEK COVER: Cheney's Secret World Behind The Shooting Furor
Sunday February 19, 10:09 am ET
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060219/nysu008.html?.v=45
Cheney Believed He, His Family and Staff May Have Been Exposed in an Anthrax
Attack After 9/11; Was False Alarm But Story Kept Quiet
NEW YORK, Feb. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- A few weeks after 9/11, Newsweek has
learned, Vice President Dick Cheney worried that he and his family and his
staff might have been exposed in an anthrax attack. According to
knowledgeable former officials, a mysterious letter turned up at the vice
president's mansion. (A former senior law-enforcement official recalled that
sensors went off.) The alarm turned out to be false. Still, to be safe,
Cheney and his entourage began taking Cipro, the powerful antibiotic. The
story was hushed up. (Cheney's office referred Newsweek to the Secret
Service, which declined to comment.)....
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:05:54 -0000
From: "Marsha" <Mofmars3@wmconnect.com>
Subject: Revised with new link for Wing TV if you can't get the original to load
Press Release "War Crimes" and "Media Cover-Up of 9/11" Forward
WRevised with new link for Wing TV if you can't get the original to
loadidely
Presidents' Day "March for 9/11 Truth," NYC Ground Zero, 10 a.m.
Monday, 2/20/06
Activists Plan 60's Style Protest against "War Crimes" and "Media
Cover-Up of 9/11" in downtown Manhattan
New York City, NY (PRWEB) February 18, 2006 -- Vermonter Greg Nixon
is a man on a mission to save America - from itself. He is one of a
new breed of issue-oriented activists who were often not even
involved in politics before 9/11. What mobilizes him is a prospect of
indescribable horror: he sees plain proof that the WTC was destroyed
on 9/11 in an undercover operation within America's own military
intelligence establishment.
From all angles, it's a topsy-turvy world view, that can bowl one
over with vertigo at first. A mirror world with such contrarian
coordinates as:
- the terrorists are Americans, not Arabs;
- ex-mayor Giuliani and George Bush are suspects, not heroes of 9/11;
- much as the Bush administration capitalized on 9/11 to advance its
agenda, the 9/11 Truthers seize on it as the Achilles heel of
the "new militarism," with evidence of a controlled demolition of WTC
1, 2 and 7 as the smoking gun or fatal flaw in the official version;
- "left-leaning" media like The Nation, Pacifica's Democracy Now, and
The New York Times, along with groups like ANSWER and the Democratic
Party, are not seen as a real opposition; because they don't
accept "9/11 Truth," they are just playing a part in the plans for
World War IV on the oil fields of the Middle East.
Indeed, Greg Nixon would like the President's Day March to take aim
especially at the "establishment left gatekeepers."
The plan for Monday's march is fairly ad hoc. After assembling at WTC
Ground Zero, the protesters may march to Attorney General Elliot
Spitzer's office with a letter demanding his resignation for failing
to investigate 9/11. Last year, 9/11 activists in New York filed an
extensive complaint with Spitzer, and hopes were high for a time that
he might take up the case. Offices of the above-mentioned "left-wing
gatekeepers" could be next.
Speakers expected are Greg Nixon and others, including:
Craig Hill, the Vermont Green Party senatorial candidate, who
includes photographic evidence of the WTC demolition in his campaign
platform. His website is www.hillsenatenow.org .
Sander Hicks, author of the 9/11 expos? The Big Wedding, and owner of
the Vox Pop Democracy Caf? in Brooklyn, www.voxpopnet.net.
9/11 activist, historian and radio personality Webster Tarpley will
speak at a Greg Nixon event on April 27th at the University of
Vermont. Tarpley is devoting his energies to opposing the latest war
drive on Iran. He says the plan is to attack Iran already by the end
of March, which leaves much less time for mobilizing springtime
demonstrations such as we saw before the attack on Iraq. (see
http://www.waronfreedom.org/activists/stop-amerigeddon.html) He is
the author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA.
During the run-up to the Iraq war, 9/11 activists tried but failed to
convince the peace movement that exposing 9/11 was the only way to
stop the juggernaut of war. They felt that rank-and-file pacifists
were receptive, but the leadership marched to a different,
establishment tune.
More details on the Presidents' Day march at
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/01/332307.shtml .
See also the feature article on the march at
http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php "2/20 March
for 9/11 Truth NYC: The Tipping Point? The world is at the most
serious crossroads in modern history. The fraudulent 'War on Terror'
threatens the very future of humanity."
For an interview with Greg Nixon, see
http://www.phillyimc.org/en/2006/02/19016.shtml . Quote:
"Bring your digital camera, too. Because something tells me that
history is going to be made in New York City this upcoming Monday, in
honor of President?s Day. That?s the day those actually informed
about 9/11 will gather together in NYC to honor the birthday of the
first GW. You know, the GW who was unable to tell a lie."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Today>>>Friday>>>wingtv.net...All media and people everywhere must
see this interview with Greg Nixon
If you can't get the show to play...Left click where it says to right
click and watch later
Alternate link>>>http://thewebfairy.com/hardtruth/gregnixon02-20.mp3
Marsha McClelland
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
XXX XXX-XXXX
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911TruthAction/
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:21:03 EST
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:11:21 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Newsweek "reveals" new 9/11-Anthrax/Cipro spin
so why the !@$# is this story just appearing now????? Why was it "kept
quiet"?
Do TPTB feel they have to start heavily reinforce the terror myth these days?
Seems like it.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> ...duh... :(
>
> NEWSWEEK COVER: Cheney's Secret World Behind The Shooting Furor
> Sunday February 19, 10:09 am ET
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060219/nysu008.html?.v=45
>
> Cheney Believed He, His Family and Staff May Have Been Exposed in an
Anthrax
> Attack After 9/11; Was False Alarm But Story Kept Quiet
>
> NEW YORK, Feb. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- A few weeks after 9/11, Newsweek
has
> learned, Vice President Dick Cheney worried that he and his family and his
> staff might have been exposed in an anthrax attack. According to
> knowledgeable former officials, a mysterious letter turned up at the vice
> president's mansion. (A former senior law-enforcement official recalled that
> sensors went off.) The alarm turned out to be false. Still, to be safe,
> Cheney and his entourage began taking Cipro, the powerful antibiotic. The
> story was hushed up. (Cheney's office referred Newsweek to the Secret
> Service, which declined to comment.)....
>
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:23 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
I can never can see any attachments on this board, both on Mac and PC.
Anyway: alexldent@yahoo.com
Appreciate it you could send. Thanks.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "FONEBONE" <fonebone@...>
wrote:
>
> Mornin Alex I have sent the original post again
> Yahoo does't archive the graphics I guess
> If the graphics don't come thru again ,include your direct email and I'll
> send it to you directly
>
> --Fonebone
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:54 AM
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the
> first hit ("impact" only)
>
>
> Is there a link with this or pictures? All I see is text.
>
> But otherwise I agree in general with your comments.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "FONEBONE" <fonebone@>
wrote:
> >
> > WHERE ARE the 160 foot wide wings ?
> >
> > They created this scar <below> in the NORTH TOWER NORTH FACE AT
IMPACT
> > NO?
> > <left> Underside of a Boeing 767 <right> magnification of the
> > "PLANE"
> > and shadow from the still extracted from the Naudet video with a color
> > filter applied
> > to ferret out hidden details
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scar of Jumbo-jet in WTC 1 north wall created by the 160 foot wings ---
> > again color filtered for clue extraction -
> >
> > This scar had to be created by preplaced and prepositioned explosive
> charges
> > to created this Hollywood
> > Special Effect scar because there DAMN SURE AIN'T NO 160 FOOT
WIDE WINGS
> >
> >
> >
> > The width of the tower wall is 220 feet and the tip to tip wing span
> of a
> > Boeing 767 is 160 feet
> > This ratio of 160 / 220 is reduced to 16 / 22 and finally to 8 / 11
> > The ratio of wingspan to building width with the angle of bank at
> impact as
> > indicated by the scar
> > is superimposed in RED over the cigar shaped scar to indicate
> exactly where
> > these huge
> > FAT WINGS SHOULD BE -
> > The YELLOW ball indicates SUN position with the yellow line revealing
> > SUN-RAY Path
> > to help thinkers gauge exactly where the WING SHADOWS should be
> >
> >
> >
> > WHERE ARE THE 160 FOOT WINGS ?
> > point them out --
> > CUT the CRAP THIS is a MISSILE - FONEBONE
> >
> >
> >
> > [FONEBONE]
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alexldent
> > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:47 AM
> > To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [911InsideJobbers] FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of
> the first
> > hit ("impact" only)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/frame-by-frame-analysis-
extreme
> > .html
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:32 -0000
From: "perpetualynquisitive" <perpetualynquisitive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Newsweek "reveals" new 9/11-Anthrax/Cipro spin
Oh My God.
Thanks Nico, now I have diabetes of the colon, as that article blew too
much sugar coated smoke up my @#$%&.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> ...duh... :(
>
> NEWSWEEK COVER: Cheney's Secret World Behind The Shooting Furor
> Sunday February 19, 10:09 am ET
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060219/nysu008.html?.v=45
>
> Cheney Believed He, His Family and Staff May Have Been Exposed in an
Anthrax
> Attack After 9/11; Was False Alarm But Story Kept Quiet
>
> NEW YORK, Feb. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- A few weeks after 9/11, Newsweek has
> learned, Vice President Dick Cheney worried that he and his family and
his
> staff might have been exposed in an anthrax attack. According to
> knowledgeable former officials, a mysterious letter turned up at the
vice
> president's mansion. (A former senior law-enforcement official
recalled that
> sensors went off.) The alarm turned out to be false. Still, to be
safe,
> Cheney and his entourage began taking Cipro, the powerful antibiotic.
The
> story was hushed up. (Cheney's office referred Newsweek to the Secret
> Service, which declined to comment.)....
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:19:11 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
this guy was at the center of the crash and survived?
what a load of hooey!
Good catch about seeing the "U". That seems rather unlikely.
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...>
wrote:
>
> I was going to do an article/analysis of the facts surrounding an eye witness
to the approach of 175 but this is an ideal time so here it is, in brief.
>
> Stanley Praimnath [assistant vice president] of Fugi Bank who had floors 78-
83 in the south tower. 175 cut across, off centre, floors 77-84. 175 plunged
through into the room where he had to dive beneath his desk. [on the 81st
floor] The plane had SLIGHTLY banked at the last second. The Fugi offices
were at the centre of the crash area. The wing of the jet was jammed into a
door, twenty feet from where Praimnath was beneath his desk.
>
> His office window looked south over New York Harbour and the Statue of
Liberty. Whilst seated he spotted an unfamiliar shape on the horizon. He
could see the red and blue marking and the letter "U" as it approached. He
dived under his desk.
>
> Here is a picture of N612UA:-
>
> http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0844867&WxsIERv=Obrvat%20767-
222&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Havgrq%20Nveyvarf&QtODMg=Ybf%20Natryrf%20-
%20Vagreangvbany%20%28YNK%20%2F%20XYNK%29&ERDLTkt=
HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Wnahnel%2028%2C%201997&BP=1&
WNEb25u=Xwryy%20avyffba&xsIERvdWdsY=A612HN&MgTUQtODMgKE=
Guvf%20nvepensg%20penfurq%20vagb%20Jbeyq%20Genqr%20Pragre%2
C%20ohvyqvat%20Gjb%20va%20ALP%2C%20ba%20Frcg%2011%2C%20
2001...%209%3A03%20ybpny%20gvzr%20nf%20syvtug%20HN175&
YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=4479&NEb25uZWxs=2005-05-
24%2017%3A19%3A37&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=21873%2F41&static=
yes&width=1024&height=665&sok=&photo_nr=14&prev_id=0865747&
next_id=0838568&size=L
>
> The red & blue marking to which Stanley Praimnath refers is obviously the
logo on the planes' tailfin [in fact it is two "U"'s overlayed
>
> Praimnath is said to be on the phone to a colleague in Chicago who had
rang to inquire after his well-being and she was watching the tv and listening
to him at the same time. These facts attributed to Praimnath are not in quotes.
>
> I'm sure our resident expert with Flight Simulator, Marcus could simulate the
angle at which 175 was flying towards the south wall of the south tower for
Praimnath to have seen a side view of the tailfin but I'm sure you will all see
how very unlikely this is. To see the "U" the tailfin would have had to be flying
across Praimnaths' line of sight. Had it been flying across his line of sight it
would have passed the south tower and thus he would have looked foolish
had he then dived under his desk.
>
> Now, had Praimnath "seen" the UA livery, as a whole, which would have
been more likely [although still doubtful if it was flying towards him and the
tower] that would have been oviously sufficient. The question is how did he
see the "U" instead of the vast amount of livery?
>
> What puts this beyond any question of fakery is the fact that had he seen the
side of the tail he would have seen the side of the fuselage with the airline
name along it. Of course had the side of the fuselage been seen that would
have been too obvious the plane was flying past the tower and not towards it.
>
> [source of Praimnaths' alleged observations - the book "102 Minutes".
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rosalee Grable
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com ; Marcus Icke
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [planehuggers] Fwd: Regarding your
hoax pictures from CNN
>
>
> But it's an EXCELLENT fake...absolutely state of the art..
> The oookiest part is the accents.
> Rick Siegel hasn't gotten back to me about whatever connection with his
> production company, which is not "his" but was hired.
> Seigel, in exile growing his own food in Europe, didn't even have an
> internet connection at the time.
>
> I haven't yet recovered the archive from June 2005 alerting me to this file.
> It was a message from Marcus Icke, who somehow always knows where
good
> footage is.
>
> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
>
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > Bizarre. The path of the plane is clearly at a much different angle
> > than any other second hit footage I've seen. Clearly fake.
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <
webfairy@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This is the best second hit cartoon I've ever seen.
> >> I first saw it as as an alleged "preview clip" from 911eyewitness,
> >> downloaded from Blue Star Productions in June 2005.
> >> Perhaps Jullie Blattenbauer can give more details of the source as she
> >> knows it.
> >>
> >> This second hit IS NOT part of the 911eyewitness footage on the DVD,
> >>
> > and
> >
> >> Rick Siegel says he didn't see any planes and didn't know anybody
> >>
> > who did.
> >
> >> Larger version:
> >> http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/collected/wtcbig.divx.avi
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Loughrey wrote:
> >>
> >>> this is a much smoother version of the flight 175
> >>> animation. This time the movement seems less
> >>> skittish. Still, it continues to displays the same
> >>> perspective problem that Webfairy has noticed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Julie Blattenbauer <> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:00:42 -0800
> >>>> From: "Julie Blattenbauer" <>
> >>>> To: ScottL44@
> >>>> Subject: Regarding your hoax pictures from CNN
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.bodyatomic.com/video.html
>
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:35:28 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the first hit ("impact" only)
> --- Urspr�ngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: FWIW: my frame by frame analysis of the
> first hit ("impact" only)
> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:14:23 -0000
>
I also have often to scroll to end at message to see,
if there's a message.
My suggestion:
The moderators allow some members, who are most active with video/audio
stuff, to upload these files into our file folder section at yahoogroup and
then just post the link or an info.
I recommend to allow uploads for Alex, PerpYnq, Rob...
Anyone else, please request an upload okay.
>>>>I can never can see any attachments on this board, both on Mac and PC.
Anyway: alexldent@yahoo.com
Appreciate it you could send. Thanks.<<
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:37:57 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: USS Cole (prob old news to most of you)
At the time of the bombings, a Yemeni regime official advanced the theory
that the U.S. had blown up the boat itself, as pretense for an invasion.
http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=1614&cid=2&sid=90
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