Discussion about 09/11/2001

Thursday, February 23, 2006

[911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 394

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
2. RE: New NY Village Voice article about "9/11 Truth Movement"
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
3. Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/Fl
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
4. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
5. Re: Charles Krauthammer and the "conspiracy theory disease"
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
6. Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
7. Re: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
8. Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
9. Giltner is moderated now. Re: Re: GERMAN TABLOID
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
10. Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
11. Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
12. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
13. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
14. Re: Giltner is moderated now. Re: Re: GERMAN TABLOID
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
15. Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
16. Re: Re: I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth so help me.
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
17. Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
18. As An Insider who is not there Rick Siegel Under the torch of Academia
From: "nyc911eyewitness" <onlinetv@yahoo.com>
19. Re: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
20. Ok, let's calm down and think about ...
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
21. Re: Re: 02/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
22. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
23. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
24. Re: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
25. Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:38:00 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 2/20 NYC

The 911bluestour? I did click on it! That's really quite neat, I didn't have time
to check it thoroughly but I already passed it on to a friend.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> neither one of you clicked my link.
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > A couple of thoughts:
> >
> > 1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be able to get
some
> > decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.
> >
> > 2) a couple of years ago, there was hardly any talk of the WTC being
blown
> > up. Now demolition is all over the place and fairly widely accepted by 9/
11
> > skeptics. I predict in another year or two, video manipulation will just as
> > widely accepted-- if we work at it. The important thing, the video fakery is
so
> > damn obvous once you know where to look.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> >>> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@>
> >>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
> >>> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:59:12 -0600
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Maybe i just needed a refreshing pusher.
> >> I will not give up yet :)
> >> There is also still enough space to give the perps a hard time...
> >>
> >> Let's work on the 'prank' soon. I have now my tv team together.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> ahem.
> >>>>>
> >> We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's nothing
> >> left to do but pray, and we're too late and too small?
> >>
> >> Heh.
> >> Four years ago I figured there was nothing to do but pray cos we were
> >> too late and all there was was me - alone - having noticed there was no
> >> plane at the first hit -- my first real clue how to dump the whole frameup.
> >>
> >> Talk about asymmetrical odds!!
> >>
> >> It is four years and some later, and I am still alive, a fact that
> >> amazes me all by itself.
> >> We've managed to drive the lemmings back from the cliff numerous times
> >> while we work out how to release them from their lemming spell.
> >>
> >> Now we are looking forward to a national tour
> >> http://911bluestour.com/
> >> To boogie our way to freedom.<<
> >>
> >>
>

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:28:58 -0500
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
Subject: RE: New NY Village Voice article about "9/11 Truth Movement"

Morning Nico - Fonebone here
Perhaps Mr. JARRETT MURPHY would accept an invitation to
---STEP UP to the PLATE ---
and POINT OUT the jumbo jet WINGS !!!
Then Mr.Murphy can use his gifts of visual acumen and superior
intellect to elucidate and educate some of those
"stuuuupid conspiracy theorists " so prevalent among us
"un-washed " citizens
that will losing their constitution based on these JUMBO_JETS.
Mr. Murphy has a BULLY PULPIT microphone as a published writer
so I sure he wouldn't be shy about posting his discoveries to the
WORLD's THINKERS NO ?

BATTER_UP JARRETT --FONEBONE

-----Original Message-----
From: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Nico Haupt
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:45 PM
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] New NY Village Voice article about "9/11
Truth Movement"

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] New NY Village Voice article about "9/11
Truth
> Movement"
> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:37:18 +0100 (MET)
>

heya :)
http://villagevoice.com/news/0608,murphy,72254,6.html
"...Everyone has a September 11 tale about how we watched the events in
"disbelief." But some people really didn't believe, and in the immediate
aftermath of the attacks their doubts took form on the Internet on sites
like serendipity.li, plaguepuppy.net, and Killtown...."

http://villagevoice.com/news/0608,murphy,72255,6.html
Flight 93
...Pointing to press reports filed on 9-11, many suspect that the plane
actually landed in Cleveland.

>>>>>>>>>
The Seekers
The birth and life of the '9-11 Truth movement'
by Jarrett Murphy
February 21st, 2006 11:48 AM
http://villagevoice.com/news/0608,murphy,72254,6.html
r
incl:
The ABC's of 9-11:
What Really Happened: A Beginner's Guide to the 'Truth' Movement
by Jarrett Murphy

# Conspiracy 101
The basics of alternative 9-11 theories

# The Usual Suspects
What it takes to make a conspiracy theory

# Your Turn: Ground Zero Stories?
Experts want to interview the 2,000 who made it out of WTC 1 & 2
Power Plays by Jarrett Murphy

Essentially, it's all about physics and common sense. Cut steel, and
buildings fall. Crash a plane, and the Earth gets scarred. Fire a missile;
see a hole. What's up must come down, cause makes effect, and for the
truth
to set you free, it must be freed itself.

It's dark in the basement of St. Mark's Church and dark outside on a
mid-December Sunday night, but inside they have seen the light. Among the
100 or so people in the room, many wear buttons that read "9/11 Was An
Inside Job." Others grip the vital texts in their hands�Crossing
the
Rubicon, The New Pearl Harbor, or 9/11 Synthetic Terror. Most in the
largely
(but not exclusively) white and male crowd can quote you the important
passages from "Rebuilding America's Defenses" or The 9/11 Commission
Report.
A few can guide you through the details of concepts like "peak oil" and
pyroclastic flow. All of them suspect�and a few simply
know�that their government was somehow complicit in the attacks
that
killed nearly 3,000 Americans four Septembers ago...

... For passengers detraining at the PATH station and climbing the stairs
to
ground zero on a typical Saturday, the 9-11 Truth movement is hard to
miss.
There at the exit stand Jamieson, Rudkowski, and a few compatriots holding
a
large banner declaring "9/11 Was an Inside Job." Pamphlets are handed out,
and some of the vital books of the Truth movement are at the ready if a
passerby wishes to debate, which happens a couple times each week. A woman
is labeling as "bullshit" the idea that the entire government was behind
the
plot. Jamieson shakes his head. "Not the entire government," he says.
"Just
a small faction."<<<<

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:45:31 -0000
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/Fl

When you posted this grolode, I assumed that you were posting it to
show the extent of the disinfo that is being put out.

It's now crystal clear that you posted it as a document showing that
9/11 Truth is getting out.

You are a disgusting piece of dog shit.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "grolode" <grolode@...>
wrote:
>
>
> The original article:
> http://www1.bild.t-
online.de/BTO/news/2004/03/25/atta__freundin/atta__freundin.html
>
> My comments in German: http://www.grolo.de/index.php?
id=3,93,0,0,1,0
>
> Able Danger - Hearings seem to take effect:
>
> ----
>
> Venice – Sein Gesicht ist die Todesfratze des 11. September 2001,
des
> Anschlags auf das New Yorker World Trade Center (2996 Tote).
Mohammed
> Atta, Anführer der Terrorpiloten!
>
> Venice - His face is the grimace of death of 9/11 2001, the attack
on
> the WTC in New York (2996 death). Mohammed Atta, Leader of the
Terror
> Pilots.
>
> Der US-Journalist Daniel Hopsicker zeichnet die letzten
Lebensmonate
> des Attentäters nach. Er fand die letzte Freundin von Atta: eine
> gewisse Amanda Keller (24).
>
> US-Journalist Daniel Hopsicker recorded the last months of the
> attackers life. He has found Attas last girlfriend, Amanda Keller
(24)
> [a free translation]
>
> In seinem Buch „Welcome to Terrorland"* packt die Frau aus. Die
> Geschichte, deren Wahrheitsgehalt schwer nachprüfbar ist, beginnt
so:
>
> She 'blows the whistle' in his book "Welcome to Terrorland" [The
term
> 'auspacken' means to unpack .... I looked up the translation and it
> says 'to blow the whistle' ... you can also replace it
by 'testify'].
> The story, which is hardly verifyable, starts like that:
>
> Im Februar 2001 lernte die Amerikanerin Atta kennen. Sie arbeitete
bei
> „Papa John's Pizza" in Venice (US-Staat Florida).
>
> The american woman meets atta in Feb. 2001 . She works at 'Papa
John's
> Pizza' in venice/florida.
>
> „Wissen Sie, wie schön Sie sind?", schmeichelte ihr Atta über den
> Tresen. Erst blaffte Amanda ihn an. Aber er kam jeden Tag wieder,
> bestellte „Pizza mit allem", flirtete seine „Teigfee" an,
bewunderte
> ihre „natürliche Schönheit". Nicht lange, dann ging Atta mit
Amanda,
> zog zu ihr.
>
> "Do you know how beautyful you are ?", Atta smoozed to her cross
the
> bar. Firt Amanda's yapping [did not find a term for 'blaffen' ... I
> admit I don't know this word ... it's German Slang] at him. But he
> returned daily, ordered a 'Pizza with everything', was flirting
with
> his "Pastry-Fay", admires her natural beauty. It didn't take very
> long, then they were a couple, she relocated to his flat [free
> translation .... the original german text is TERRIBLE].
>
> Es begannen wilde Monate voller Sex, Drogen, Alkohol – und Gewalt.
>
> Wild months filled with sex, drugs and alcohol - and violence -
started.
>
> Atta trug lässige Yuppie-Kleidung, war Spaßtrinker, von Frauen in
> Szenebars belagert, warf mit Geld und Lokalrunden nur so um sich.
>
> Atta was wearing easy going Yuppie-clothing, was fun-drinking, was
> occupied (??) by women in scene-bars, and threw around money and
> 'paying drings for the whole club'[free translation
for 'Lokalrunden']
>
> Für Atta, den Schläfer, der Flugstunden nahm, wurde die sexy Amanda
> wohl mehr als nur schrilles Accessoire seiner Tarnung. Hatte sich
der
> Mann, der schon sein Todesdatum kannte, etwa verliebt?
>
> For Atta, the sleeper, who took flight hours, Amanda obviously
turned
> out to be something more than a flashy accessoire of his
camouflage.
> Did the guy, who already knew the date of his death, fall in love ?
>
> Mit Amanda zog Atta in Key West drei Tage durch die Kneipen, ohne
eine
> Sekunde Schlaf. Er zahlte alles, schnupfte Kokain mit gerollten
> Dollarnoten, steckte Stripperinnen 20-Dollar-Scheine in die Tanga-
Slips.
>
> Atta and amanda went through the bars in Key west for 3 days,
without
> sleeping a second. He payed everything, sniffed cocaine with rolled
> dollar bills and put $20 bills into the thongs of strippers.
>
> „Er nannte mich die ganze Zeit Heidin", erinnert sich Amanda.
>
> "He always called me 'his pegan'", Amanda remembers.
>
> Sex mit Atta? Da kichert die junge Frau, bewegt den ausgestreckten
> kleinen Finger deutlich schlängelnd – ihr Zeichen für eine
> unterdurchschnittliche männliche Ausstattung.
>
> Sex with Atta ? She snikkers, moves her stretched little curling
> finger - her sign for a below-average male equippment.[German
polite
> term for a little dick]
>
> „Er hatte keine Leidenschaft. Seine leidenschaftlichsten
Augenblicke
> hatte er, wenn er im Schlaf meine Füße traktierte. Sex mit ihm war
> schrecklich."
>
> "He did not have passion. His most passionate moments were when he
> mauled my feet while sleeping. Sex with him was horrible"
>
> Attas Zorn erlebte Amanda, als sie genug von ihm hatte, sie ihm auf
> ziemlich demütigende Art den Laufpass gab. Vor seinen Augen tanzte
sie
> mit ihrem Neuen „Dirty Dancing", knutschte auf der Tanzfläche. Die
> Nacht im gemeinsamen Apartment verbrachte Atta auf der
> Wohnzimmercouch. Nebenan trieben es Amanda und ihr Lover im
Schlafzimmer.
>
> Amanda experienced atta's anger, when she had enough of him, as she
> broke up on a real abassing kind. She was dancing 'Dirty Dancing'
with
> her new Guy in front of his eyes, kissed him (the new one) on the
> dance floor.Atta slept on the living room couche of their common
> appartment that night. Amanda and her new lover were **** [did not
> find a translation for 'es mit jemandem treiben' ... it's a
synonyme
> for having sex ] in the sleeping room.
>
> Als Amanda ihn vor die Tür setzte, drohte Atta: „Das wird dir noch
> Leid tun."
>
> As Amanda threw im out, Atta htreathened her : "You will feel sorry
> for that"
>
> Eine Woche später passierte es. Amanda kam nach Hause. Anders als
> sonst schnurrte keines ihrer sechs Kätzchen an der Tür, als sie
> aufschloss. Sie drehte das Licht an. „Überall waren tote Kätzchen.
Die
> Katzenmutter lag aufgeschlitzt auf meinem Küchentisch... Es war
> scheußlich."
>
>
> One week later, as Amanda came home, none of her six kitten were
> purring at the door as usual. Dead kitten were everywhere, the
> cat-mother was lying slashed on the kitchen table ... it was
horrible"
>
> Mit einer Blutorgie hatte sich Atta aus Amandas Leben
verabschiedet –
> bis sie nach dem 11. September sein Foto in der Zeitung sah.
>
> With his orgie of blood, atta disappeared from Amanda's life, until
> she saw his photo in the newspaper after 9/11.
>

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:46:36 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:31:17 -0600
>

Alex,
on that note.

They all get fired, if they would do their individual spin.
I had tons of contacts, even some friends,
in mainstream media, who all promised
me, to do something.

I had them in CBS, ABC, Newsday and other publications i don't even wanna
mention right now. They're still writing me from time to time.

You can be sure, that the chief editors of them are all close to be
brainwashed or on the direct perp pay roll.
MSM is Military. This has to be realized like Rosalee said.
The takeover was synchronised after PNAC was established.
Before it was the CBS/Westinghouse merger, then after 1997/8 General
Electric/MSNBC and all others followed with similar connections.

Also, i don't think it's just a coincidence, that 3 months ago, the original
editor of MAXIM resigned and was replaced and at the same time Village Voice
was sold. Since then, James Ridgeway played basically no role anymore.

They're switching from less 'limited hangout' to promote the 9/11 truthlings
more boldly but still presenting them as either wacko or mentally damaged.

2 years ago i predicted on my blog, that 9/11 research will be declared as a
psychological disease and the definition will be written by neocon
psychiatrist Charles Krauthammer. I'm still behind my opinion.

Also, since holocaust denial was now once again declared as criminal, better
expect similar steps into '9/11 denial' as well....

Also, with revealing more in MSM they're deceiving us into false hope as
well and that's their plan. Means, as long as we're still just cyberspace,
bits and bytes, we're NOT A THREAT!!

>>>neither one of you clicked my link.

alexldent wrote:
> A couple of thoughts:
>
> 1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be able to get
some
> decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.<<

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:33:16 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Charles Krauthammer and the "conspiracy theory disease"

Nico said:
"2 years ago I predicted on my blog, that 9/11 research will be
declared as a psychological disease and the definition will be written
by neocon psychiatrist Charles Krauthammer. I'm still behind my
opinion. Also, since holocaust denial was now once again declared as
criminal, better expect similar steps into '9/11 denial' as well........"

re: Charles Krauthammer characterizes the serious viewers of Oliver
Stone's film "JFK", back in 1992:
(straight from the horse's mouth)

"Anyone who truly believes this film should immediately sign up with
the Red Brigades. Its point, after all, is that in 1963 America was
taken over by a fascist conspiracy, that post-Kennedy America is a
vast Orwellian system of deception and repression....."

excerpted from:
'JFK': A Lie, But Harmless.
The Washington Post, January 10, 1992, FINAL Edition
By: Charles Krauthammer
Section: EDITIORIAL, p. a19
Story Type: OP-ED
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Marsh/Jfk-conspiracy/WASHPOST.TXT

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> > An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
> > Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:31:17 -0600
> >
>
>
> Alex,
> on that note.
>
> They all get fired, if they would do their individual spin.
> I had tons of contacts, even some friends,
> in mainstream media, who all promised
> me, to do something.
>
> I had them in CBS, ABC, Newsday and other publications i don't even
wanna
> mention right now. They're still writing me from time to time.
>
>
> You can be sure, that the chief editors of them are all close to be
> brainwashed or on the direct perp pay roll.
> MSM is Military. This has to be realized like Rosalee said.
> The takeover was synchronised after PNAC was established.
> Before it was the CBS/Westinghouse merger, then after 1997/8 General
> Electric/MSNBC and all others followed with similar connections.
>
> Also, i don't think it's just a coincidence, that 3 months ago, the
original
> editor of MAXIM resigned and was replaced and at the same time
Village Voice
> was sold. Since then, James Ridgeway played basically no role anymore.
>
> They're switching from less 'limited hangout' to promote the 9/11
truthlings
> more boldly but still presenting them as either wacko or mentally
damaged.
>
> 2 years ago i predicted on my blog, that 9/11 research will be
declared as a
> psychological disease and the definition will be written by neocon
> psychiatrist Charles Krauthammer. I'm still behind my opinion.
>
> Also, since holocaust denial was now once again declared as
criminal, better
> expect similar steps into '9/11 denial' as well....
>
> Also, with revealing more in MSM they're deceiving us into false hope as
> well and that's their plan. Means, as long as we're still just
cyberspace,
> bits and bytes, we're NOT A THREAT!!
>
>
>
> >>>neither one of you clicked my link.
>
>
> alexldent wrote:
> > A couple of thoughts:
> >
> > 1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be
able to get
> some
> > decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.<<
>
>
> --
> Telefonieren Sie schon oder sparen Sie noch?
> NEU: GMX Phone_Flat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/telefonie
>

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:33:50 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner"
<bill.giltner@...> wrote:

> You are a disgusting piece of dog shit.
>

Thanks for the fowers, Sir !

Look at the original source ... sir - before blaming others !

Listen ! I am a 9/11 sceptic from the first day on (namely 9/11/2001),
a time when most of you belived in the fairy tale of Osama and the 19
robbers (not all, but most .... I know that nico did not).

I have spent a lot of time and work to get the words spread and I did
a lot of work in research aswell ... the eifference is that I have
focused on the essentials ... so most theories are out of my focus.

I was as surprised as you are ... and I did not claim that 9/11 truth
is getting out ... it's still a hard bunch of work, but it's a step
into the right direction (imagine ... a German tabloid with a volume
of 6 Mio mentiones Hopsicker ... that will be noticed ... go and ask
Nico, he is German, he can read German ... and he will tell you that I
am right), although I must admit that it will take a while that it
will make it's way over the Atlantic ocean.

Yes, I am in good hope that the truth will come out this year ... not
the hole truth, but a good part to get the US administration (and the
German administration aswell) into big trouble (at last a little bit
of LIHOP) ... this will be a good chance to conduct a new investigation.

You can follow the link and have a look for yourself ... or go to
hopsickers website ... http://www.madcowprod.com/ ... it's on the
title page.

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:36:26 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between
> ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:01:32 -0000
>

Grolo,
good to hear from you again.

My translated german-english is sometimes even worse than my own english,
LOL. Also, i'm generally too lazy to translate, coz then i have to think
more :)

Anyway, will try to give a scoop, but it appears to me, that similar to US,
Able Danger reinforces the official plotline of 9/22 to distract from the
military operation, therefore popular 9/11 "truthling" authors like Daniel
Hopsicker have now the better chance to turn mainstream as well.

At team8plus.org we proved, that they 'used' at least 2 Attas, often at the
same time. (Hopsicker still believes, there is one and the same)

Check it out :)

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:47:34 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F

Mohammed Atta, Amanda Keller and teh Venice Flying Circus
= more Hollywood plotline
= "Bread and circuses"

... sure to keep the masses preoccupied and sedated with
entertainment, sensationalism, cheap sex and the usual diversions,
red-herrings and everything but the kitchen sink..
....
effectively muddying the waters to trivialize, obscure and conceal
basic and essential truths.

Welcome to the "Military-Industrial-Entertainment" complex.
They not rule the bodies of the masses ...
they rule their minds as well.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "grolode" <grolode@...> wrote:
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner"
> <bill.giltner@> wrote:
>
> > You are a disgusting piece of dog shit.
> >
>
> Thanks for the fowers, Sir !
>
> Look at the original source ... sir - before blaming others !
>
> Listen ! I am a 9/11 sceptic from the first day on (namely 9/11/2001),
> a time when most of you belived in the fairy tale of Osama and the 19
> robbers (not all, but most .... I know that nico did not).
>
> I have spent a lot of time and work to get the words spread and I did
> a lot of work in research aswell ... the eifference is that I have
> focused on the essentials ... so most theories are out of my focus.
>
> I was as surprised as you are ... and I did not claim that 9/11 truth
> is getting out ... it's still a hard bunch of work, but it's a step
> into the right direction (imagine ... a German tabloid with a volume
> of 6 Mio mentiones Hopsicker ... that will be noticed ... go and ask
> Nico, he is German, he can read German ... and he will tell you that I
> am right), although I must admit that it will take a while that it
> will make it's way over the Atlantic ocean.
>
> Yes, I am in good hope that the truth will come out this year ... not
> the hole truth, but a good part to get the US administration (and the
> German administration aswell) into big trouble (at last a little bit
> of LIHOP) ... this will be a good chance to conduct a new investigation.
>
> You can follow the link and have a look for yourself ... or go to
> hopsickers website ... http://www.madcowprod.com/ ... it's on the
> title page.
>

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:54:23 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Giltner is moderated now. Re: Re: GERMAN TABLOID

Giltner is moderated now.
Thank you to Grolode for answering civilly despite the provocation.

I agree it is unfortunate that a nipped and tucked subset of "truth"
larded with lies, and great facts are left floating in a sea of bilge.
I do not agree with namecalling.
This is a new member who is obviously not aware that Hopsicker + Able
Danger equals a hangout game.

Whether half-truth is better than no truth at all is still open to debate.

Bill Giltner wrote:
> When you posted this grolode, I assumed that you were posting it to
> show the extent of the disinfo that is being put out.
>
> It's now crystal clear that you posted it as a document showing that
> 9/11 Truth is getting out.
>
> You are a disgusting piece of *** ****.
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "grolode" <grolode@...>
> wrote:
>
>> The original article:
>> http://www1.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/2004/03/25/atta__freundin/atta__freundin.html
>>
>> My comments in German: http://www.grolo.de/index.php?id=3,93,0,0,1,0
>>

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:54:10 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F

Mohammed Atta, Amanda Keller and the Venice Flying Circus
= more Hollywood plotline
= "Bread and circuses"

Welcome to the "Military-Industrial-Entertainment" complex.
They rule not just the bodies of the masses ...
they rule their minds as well.

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:58:08 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:

> Grolo,
> good to hear from you again.

Same :) It's almost 2 years now ! You have made good progress as I can
see. I am out of the topic for more than one year now, but Able Danger
thrills me :)

>
> My translated german-english is sometimes even worse than my own
english,
> LOL. Also, i'm generally too lazy to translate, coz then i have to think
> more :)

Same with me !
I'm better at free speaking, so I can choose my own words or describe
things instead of getting 'close to the text', looking up words at leo
and being too exact....

> military operation, therefore popular 9/11 "truthling" authors like
Daniel
> Hopsicker have now the better chance to turn mainstream as well.

I think it's the first step ....

>
> At team8plus.org we proved, that they 'used' at least 2 Attas, often
at the
> same time. (Hopsicker still believes, there is one and the same)

Did you read the book of Broeckers/Hauss .... same theory ... and the
Able Danger hearings seem to cofirm this (take a look at the latest
posts on medienanalyse-international.de .... Andreas Hauss is doing a
good job ... I'm in regular contact with him - Bröckers and Wisnewski
seem to be mad at me .... I was a bit too critical I guess). Hopsicker
also concluded that there must have been 2 Attas ... so this seems to
manifestate from different (more or less) independent sources.

BTW: remember the SPIEGEL article I send to you in autumn 2003 ? It
mentioned the 'Double Atta' Theory ...
http://www.grolo.de/index.php?id=10,53,0,0,1,0

However, proofing the 'having known about' should be the first step
... of course it distracts from the so called 'MIHPO' theory a bit,
but they don' exclude each other.

So whatever will be the outcome of the Able Danger Hearings .... the
double Atta theory cannot be explained by any 'MIHOP' scenarios ...
and we have a good chance that they will make this fact official.

BTW: I'm on some related things that might be helpful here in Germany:

http://www.grolo.de/index.php?id=2,88,0,0,1,0
Let's see what happens there ... I suspect that the German Government
(the last one) is more involved into 9/11 and the following wars than
we might expect.

However, still a big bunch of work, but I will have to find a job
first :) want to reactivate my pilot's liscence and give up game
development and self employment. But anyway, I will keep on tracking
it ! cu nico, Grüße nach NYC aus der Heimat !

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:02:13 -0800
From: "malaprop" <malaprop2@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

Alex, and all, you gotta change your perception.

We are not dealing with a government--that's their disguise. We are
dealing with organized crime that took over the governement to
facilitate their illegal operations, and to develop new ones. They do
not care about duty honor country, and that goes for Congress, and a
chunk of military brass. A ton of military retirements happened after
9/11, meaning the good ones left.

CNN heads and other TV media are as guilty as the ones that placed the
bombs, and were in on the planning as was needed to synchronize the
event. They had to be. I'm now of the opinion, or at least leaning
that way, that ALL footage seen that day prior to the collapses was
ready-made off the shelf, some impact shots were held back to keep up
a psychological fever pitch over a period of time. This was a script,
and looking back I do not see them risking any snafus when deception
is so easy. Even the "gashes" were pre-packaged, and only a
resemblance was necessary thru bomb placement.

The only planes ever seen were those on the TV screen, and anyone who
suggested otherwise was ignored. The TV anchors reported what they
saw on their monitors.

I feel that all the CNN people were over time replaced with
hand-picked Bush/elite supporters. The last thing you want around
you is someone who thinks and "gets it", so out they go. They may all
Zionists, for that matter,

So that means that they will never allow let alone encourage the truth
to come out about how CNN plotted against America.

----- Original Message -----
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC

A couple of thoughts:

1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be able to
get some
decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.

2) a couple of years ago, there was hardly any talk of the WTC being
blown
up. Now demolition is all over the place and fairly widely accepted
by 9/11
skeptics. I predict in another year or two, video manipulation will
just as
widely accepted-- if we work at it. The important thing, the video
fakery is so
damn obvous once you know where to look.

Yahoo! Groups Links

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:05:57 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

>
> It was beyond
> > scary to see their blank or confused stares over and over again.
Heh. Yay for a dose of what I see daily, even here.
Idiot suckers, even right here in this group who STILL have not grokked
that 911 was a STAGED MEDIA HOAX.

Yes, the blankness is scarey.

I am not worried about THEIR blankness, but YOUR BLANKNESS and the
blankness of EVERY SCHNOOKIEDUPED SUCKER who imagines the MSM as
something other than frontline perps.

THEY DIDN'T USE PLANES.
They used media hoax. And now you guys expect to go to the hoaxers for
relief.
I am thinking people are really looking forward to being dead schnookies
with their children used as food.

THEY DIDN'T USE PLANES.
This is a singularly important fact, which is why the TRUTHING
NSA/NASA/Urantia setup crew has you brainwashed into thinking it doesn't
matter whether they used arabs or newsbunnies to strike at the heart of
America.

malaprop wrote:
> But wasn't this demonstration targeting the offenders, rather than the
> public at large? That's the way I took it from the very beginning.
> And as long as the offenders got a pie in the face, then the
> demonstration was a success. This wasn't really a educational msg,
> but for insiders.
>
> You can bet Gouliani got the word, and you know Amy Goodman got the
> message. And that every time these supporters/perps of 9/11 come off
> with their double-talk, in the back of their mind, they will know
> there are unseen people saying "B__ ___!" That's unnerving.
>
> And I'm sure the march was an embarrassment to them, which it should
> be. Maybe everytime they make a bs statement to the public, instead
> of emailing them our opinion, someone with a poster outside their
> bldg. would provide suitable reminder of our presence.
>
> If it was directed to the public as a wakeup call, it was a failure.
> If it was directed to the NATION, Goodwin, NYT,
> Guiliani, etc..., it was a success.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cathy Garger" <savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>
> To: <911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:59 PM
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>
>
>
>> Greg has a definite point. It is he and a few others who have
>> convinced me that while writing on the Internet is somewhat
>> worthwhile (because stuff does get forwarded on to people's friends,
>> family, and other groups), it still does not beat outside,
>> grassroots, in your face activism. Nothing proved this more to me
>> than yesterday in Manhattan. Most of the people looked at us like
>> we
>> were from Mars. You could tell that most of the people in the NYC
>> streets did not believe we were telling the truth. It was beyond
>> scary to see their blank or confused stares over and over again.
>>
>> As much criticism that has been written about the Scholars for
>> Truth,
>> they are the ones who have appeared in the nearly mainstream media
>> in
>> the recent past. For those who are knocking the organization, I
>> challenge anyone to be more successful in getting the truth out in
>> mainstream newspaper articles.
>>
>> I also agree with Greg about getting into the MSM. We have got to
>> find more angles, more ways, to break into the media.
>>
>> But again, as I see it, yesterday was a success not just because of
>> the Netherlands film crew, but due to all of the onlookers in whom a
>> seed of truth (perhaps even for the first time) was planted.
>>
>> Cathy
>>
>>
>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "alexldent" <alexldent@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to thank you as well. You did a great job.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry I couldn't go, I did have a lot of shit to do at work and
>>>
>> I
>>
>>> live far from NYC and I have two young kids, blah blah. Though
>>> really, there is no good excuse. :P
>>>
>>> I have long thought that the internet was way too disconnected from
>>> the real world to make a difference in terms of public awareness.
>>> "Naked" activism is probably the only way to go.
>>>
>>> The internet is great for research and for people who WANT to look
>>>
>> up
>>
>>> things. But it will never be a good tool to reach out to the vast
>>>
>> public.
>>
>>> I know it is discouraging now. I hope you change your mind.
>>>
>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> First off I like to thank Nico and all the others here for the
>>>>
>> moral
>>
>>>> support over the last several weeks. I think the media coverage
>>>> PRECEDING the event made the occasion worth while even if the
>>>>
>> event
>>
>>>> was not held. the word was out the 'gatekeepers' are the focus of
>>>> our
>>>> fury, and this is very important.
>>>>
>>>> The day was beautiful and not unlike the clear morning of 9/11
>>>> itself,
>>>> except cold. We had 40 or so assemble at the WTC Plaque. The cops
>>>> were
>>>> overly sympathetic and polite. They ARE OUR FRIENDS in this
>>>>
>> folks.
>>
>>>> We
>>>> need to mobilize these guys. these guys have families, they don't
>>>> want
>>>> this NWO agenda any more than we do - they SAW they Destruction.
>>>>
>>>> After an interview with the Netherlands equivalent of
>>>> CBS, an interview where I clearly expressed my rage, we all
>>>>
>> walked
>>
>>>> over to Spitzer's Silverstein properties office. Sander Hicks
>>>>
>> gave
>>
>>>> an
>>>> inspired speech for camera's and passerbyers (Including David
>>>> Letterman who paid no attention it seemed :(....
>>>> The financial area was a bit low on peds considering the bank
>>>> holiday.
>>>>
>>>> We marched on up Broadway to Amy Goodman's "firehouse Studio" and
>>>> assemble our mob out side the door. The staff had already thrown
>>>> Craig
>>>> Hill and I out of the studio earlier, so I knew they would be
>>>> hostile.
>>>> Hicks called Amy and got her on speakerphone where the crowd all
>>>>
>> had
>>
>>>> their say. I yelled "MEDIA WAR CRIMINAL" others jeered and she
>>>>
>> hung
>>
>>>> u.
>>>> As for that stop mission accomplished. NEVER, have protesters
>>>> assembled at her door and made her confront what she is, a media
>>>> figure serving POWER and not the people.
>>>>
>>>> The mob moved up to Canal and got on the N and the R line, where
>>>>
>> I
>>
>>>> began to lecture riders on Lockheed Martin being paid to "protect
>>>> Nyer's when they are in fact an inside sponsor of 9/11 and told
>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>> the
>>>> danger. We got plenty of good stares....
>>>>
>>>> We exited and circled around the throbbing Times Square to
>>>> Giuliani's
>>>> office. Craig Hill entered and asked if this was where the Perp
>>>> worked
>>>> and they at first LIED. No he doesn't. Then another guy said he
>>>>
>> did.
>>
>>>> We were not allowed in the building and began deafening screams
>>>>
>> that
>>
>>>> the Ghoul is a mass murderer for ALL Times Square to hear. There
>>>>
>> was
>>
>>>> not the numbers or the conditions for any CD.
>>>>
>>>> After fifteen minutes of jeering we circled back though Broadway
>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>> see the "Grey Lady" NYT and let em have it. The rally then ended
>>>>
>> up
>>
>>>> at the steps of the Stairs of the NY Public Library where we had
>>>>
>> all
>>
>>>> the banners up at the entrances (see photo in file) and did a 45
>>>> minute shout out to all of mid-town. I kept screaming I believe
>>>>
>> in
>>
>>>> the Easter Bunny, I believe in Santa Clause, I believe 19
>>>>
>> hijackers
>>
>>>> did 9/11. etc ....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are in big trouble folks. I don't see ANY organized activism
>>>>
>> in
>>
>>>> NYC considering the ease and potential to build a movement there.
>>>> there is no 9/11 movement as far as activism is concerned. ALL
>>>>
>> THE
>>
>>>> BS
>>>> on the internet DOESN"T FUCKING MATTER. The grass roots approach
>>>> ain't
>>>> going to cut it PERIOD. Get this on MSM or it's over. We need
>>>>
>> media
>>
>>>> a
>>>> savvy action plan now or it's over and the exetended midnight of
>>>> Bushism is here to stay. that's it. Get this OFF THE
>>>> INTERNET. STOP WASTING TIME IN CHAT FORUMS. THE REST OF THE WORLD
>>>> HAS
>>>> NO CLUE what we write or say here.
>>>>
>>>> I called for a mob and got 40 people, This in a city of 7 million
>>>> where this crime took place???
>>>>
>>>> I am taking a breather from this "movement" since I am now
>>>> officially
>>>> broke. I cannot devote 8 plus hours any more to the latest
>>>>
>> breaking
>>
>>>> development's here knowing that there is NO FRUITION to the
>>>>
>> activity.
>>
>>>> Best to all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:06:11 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Giltner is moderated now. Re: Re: GERMAN TABLOID

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Giltner is moderated now. Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: GERMAN
> TABLOID
> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:54:23 -0600
>

I second this decision.
I don't understand this overreaction at all.

Ironically germany was much faster in mainstream,
with digging to the truth than U.S., that i believe, grolo just expected too
much after germany got bored with too many 9/11 truthling books :)

For all members, Grolo was one of the most productive forces during 2002/03,
who helped me building bridges between US- and german 9/11 researchers,
after i was deceived in an interview with DER SPIEGEL, which ironically
brought me 100s of new contacts and 56.000 hits on my old site.

As far as i recall, grolo 'retired' also during 2004 and just came back
recently. We all still have to learn.

Able Danger is a limited hangout and deceptive or overexaggerated
interpretations are not tolerated here in this list.
This as another reminder for 'newbies'.

Sorry for this incident. Please everyone calm down... -:)

nico

PS: Grolo, please check out the Able Danger thread at team8plus.
We also bring background on Weldon and tried to point on plotline
propaganda.

>>>>Giltner is moderated now.
Thank you to Grolode for answering civilly despite the provocation.

Whether half-truth is better than no truth at all is still open to debate.

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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:09:44 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn Ertell"
<lynnertell@...> wrote:
>
> Mohammed Atta, Amanda Keller and the Venice Flying Circus

> = more Hollywood plotline
> = "Bread and circuses"
>
> ... sure to keep the masses preoccupied and sedated with
> entertainment, sensationalism, cheap sex and the usual diversions,
> red-herrings and everything but the kitchen sink..

Well ... not the contents of the article is interesting ! It's that
Hopsicker was mentioned - it's the first time that I red something
about Atta, not conforming the official story, in mainstream media
... and yes, altough many of you might not like Hopsicker, he is
doing a great job !

Mainstream media avoided mentioning Hopsicker yet ... Now they mention
him .... in the most US-Administration conforming Tabloid we have here
in Germany .... so this means something ... I'm not sure what, but it
makes me feel we are getting a step closer into the right direction.

hm, I should translate my article, ... I think I'm misunderstood ... I
will translate it tomorrow !

> effectively muddying the waters to trivialize, obscure and conceal
> basic and essential truths.

Well, that's BILD .. that's how they are ... it's the worst tabloid I
know and it is very US-Administration friedly !
Of course it's entertainment ! The 'risk' mentioning Hopsicker ist
somethin they would not do without a reason. No, it's not
sensationalism ... the Atta Keller Story is known for more than 2
years now ... it voids the picture of the 'good muslim', not drinking
alcohol, not having sex with a 'pegan' woman ...

but I see, you are not interested ! So simply forget it !

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:08:19 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth so help me.

I can see what you mean. It is comparible to the content in the Loose Change video. Starting out with Northwoods and leading to drills before 9/11, excessive put options, and the visual evidence of the towers and even a hint of a major hiest of gold bars. Much of this is circumstantial evidence [other than the visual evidence, of course] which everyone in the 9/11 community is familiar with and that has failed to impress the ordinary man in the street. Most of it is circumstantial evidence, Bill.

What I'm looking for is more down to earth and closer to the cover up. The sort of things you could take into court, witnesses to the events on 9/11. Some you could treat as hostile witnesses or even torture to extract the truth.

Did you read my post on the nameless mystery engineer who despite all the evidence of previous fires in steel buildings [the Madrid fire, I'm sure was a set up for the purpose of our entertainment and education to show us what a real fire in a tall building looks like] and the "707" built in safety features considered the integrity of both towers had been breached. Can you imagine the head line in the papers "Mystery man predicts the collapse of twin towers". But we'll never see this in the news.

You are right. This is all a waste of time, what we do here. Greg was all fired up once and now he sees the futility of it. I'm beginning to think that it has become a fact of life that atrocities that happen around the globe are not meant to be questioned by the people. We are expected to go with the flow. You see no one wants to do the dirty work, on the ground, busting a few fingers here and there to get to the truth. That's left to the movies to portray and more often than not justice is seen to be done when the baddie gets it. It's the chase that is the interesting part and whether or not there is anyone caught is a potential bonus.

So why you on the forum, Bill?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Giltner
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:14 AM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth so help me.

ron,

Thanks for explaining.

If I viewed the information that you are presenting in the same
light as you do, I'd would be posting it as well.

I think you are making something out of nothing. Injecting this
just adds a potential for debate and controversy where it is
meaningless. I don't believe a second that the guy was a planted
liar. In general, going over the 9/11 books and news reports, one
can notice many instances of the MSM "putting words" into many
witnesses mouths.

If the idea that eye witness testimony were going the "carry the
day" as far as convincing people about what happened, we might as
well pack it in and give up with respect to the Pentagon. There is
an enormous about of "eye witness" testimony, all clearly lies or
mistakes, or ruses or some sort.

If anyone wants to hear more on my basis for this opinion, please
email me at bill.giltner@gmail.com.
========================================================
--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...>
wrote:
>
> Bill,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Giltner
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:34 AM
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: I swear to tell the truth, the
whole truth so help me.
>
>
> Ron_winn,
>
> I apologize for not really knowing you, or your name Ron. I am
in
> no position to assess who you are, what good you are doing, and
why.
> Are we doing any good, Bill. ? The "why" is easy. For 2,749
people who perished because they were stuck in the towers. The "why"
is very much contained in the book "102 Minutes" which gives the
impression that the people inside were on their own. Read it and
weep.
>
> misleading, pointless or simply foggy.
>
> This about sums up how the security in the twin towers and 911
service operated on the day.
>
> Perhaps I'm in the minority with this opinion. I don't mean to
be a
> total jerk.
>
> May be you are the only one who found the courage to speak out.
>
> Now that I got that off my chest, what the hell is your point
with
> this post?
>
> This guy is the only eye-witness to confirm the official story
that "175" was a UA plane [leaving aside the reference to "11" in
one of these reports]
>
> In one report he simply says he saw a "U" which is surprising if
the plane was heading towards him.
>
> In the other report he goes further to describe possibly a UA
plane [with no mention of the "U". This time he sees letters on the
wing.All this was before he dived under his desk.
> He says he was saved because the plane did that slight bank at
the last minute.
>
> We are supposed to be looking at a 767 here and any slight bank
isn't going to be measured on the "logicmeter" as making much of a
bloody difference.
>
> This guy is the vice president of the Fugi Bank and he took
orders from a security guard in the lobby. How about that? He also
went back up and was on time to catch "175" coming in and managed to
get out. So this guy is their chief witness who God saved and yet
allowed many good men to perish. Guy's like Battalion Chief Orio J.
Palmer, Ron Bucca and Jim Devery.
>
> Chief Palmer reached the 78th Floor in the south tower from
where he reported "We've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should
be able to knock it down with two lines" It was a shame he did not
have the ability to send live pictures from that floor. Just two
isolated pockets. Did he see anythin of the plane?
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well Stanley which of your stories is true?
> >
> > You are attributed in the book "102 Minutes" as seeing the red
and
> > blue marking and the letter "U". The authors of the book go on
to
> > state it was "175".
> >
> > But here Stanley you say you saw a big grey plane with red
letters
> on
> > the wing and on the tail. The writer of this article says it
was
> > flight "11".
> >
> > http://www.ambassadoragency.com/client_profile.cfm/cid/29
> >
> > "If they had continued on and exited the building, all of
their
> lives
> > would have been spared. As it was, that's not the way it
> happened. "As
> > soon as we reached the concourse level, the security guard
stopped
> us
> > and said, 'Where are you going?' Stanley explained about
seeing the
> > fire in Tower One.
> >
> > But everything wasn't fine--far from it. As Stanley was
talking, he
> > looked up and saw American Airlines Flight 11 heading straight
for
> > him. "All I can see is this big gray plane, with red letters
on the
> > wing and on the tail, bearing down on me," said Stanley. "But
this
> > thing is happening in slow motion. The plane appeared to be
like
> 100
> > yards away, I said 'Lord, you take control, I can't help
myself
> here.'
> > " Stanley then dove under his desk."
> >
> > And what I don't understand is how come the security guard was
> able to
> > order you to do anything. You could have told him to take a
hike.
> You
> > was out of there.
> >
> > But I'm not the first to spot this:-
> >
> > http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/survivor1.htm
> >
> > We have confirmed this with Mr. Praimnath's church and the
> > headquarters of his denomination, which did a story on him.
Also,
> one
> > of our staff happened to catch a television interview with him.
> >
> > One note...as a matter of integrity, we do not edit the
eRumors
> when
> > we post them, such as below. This version of this eRumor,
however,
> > quotes Mr. :Praimnath as saying that he saw American Airlines
> flight
> > number 11 headed for his building, which is incorrect. He was
in
> > tower two, which was struck by a United Airlines plane. We
checked
> > the original of this story, however, which was published by the
> > Assemblies of God News Service. It correctly identified the
plane
> as
> > being a United flight.
> >
>

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:25:16 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 2/20 NYC

>>>They used media hoax. And now you guys expect to go to the hoaxers for
relief.<<<<

You got a better plan? :)

Seriously, I find it hard to believe that ALL the msm is in on 9/11 and that we
can't trust ANY of them.

The other point is that we simply don't have time or capital to build our own
media, so we have to use the msm to some extent, if we really care about
spreading the word.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
> >
> > It was beyond
> > > scary to see their blank or confused stares over and over again.
> Heh. Yay for a dose of what I see daily, even here.
> Idiot suckers, even right here in this group who STILL have not grokked
> that 911 was a STAGED MEDIA HOAX.
>
> Yes, the blankness is scarey.
>
> I am not worried about THEIR blankness, but YOUR BLANKNESS and the
> blankness of EVERY SCHNOOKIEDUPED SUCKER who imagines the
MSM as
> something other than frontline perps.
>
> THEY DIDN'T USE PLANES.
> They used media hoax. And now you guys expect to go to the hoaxers for
> relief.
> I am thinking people are really looking forward to being dead schnookies
> with their children used as food.
>
> THEY DIDN'T USE PLANES.
> This is a singularly important fact, which is why the TRUTHING
> NSA/NASA/Urantia setup crew has you brainwashed into thinking it doesn't
> matter whether they used arabs or newsbunnies to strike at the heart of
> America.
>
>

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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:27:12 -0000
From: "nyc911eyewitness" <onlinetv@yahoo.com>
Subject: As An Insider who is not there Rick Siegel Under the torch of Academia

Nico, I love your writing, you are like a light to see in he night.
May I somehow get your "banned" article?

With that I would like to tell you my deep hidden agenda within this
organization. As with Howard the Duck, I am in a world I did not make
or choose to be in. It is an accident of historic events that I
stumble through in my life's quest, a love for my personal freedom and
liberty. Sooner than later I discovered that for true freedom and
liberty those around me must have it also. The other side of freedom
is slavery and that is no choice for me. If everyone around me is
happy carrying the yoke (no matter how velvet covered it looks)
eventually I will have nowhere to be a sovereign exercising my freedom
and liberty.

Therefore it is with this consideration that I must dedicate myself to
the elucidation and instigation of freedom in the "Land of the Brave
and Home of the Free" (Excuse me while I barf on that one a bit).

I have a plan; it goes deeper than what it looks. It is like my
personal logo; something you cannot "know" until you know how to see.
It follows in the wonderful courage of Greg. Thank you for your
personal sacrifice Greg, it is inspirational. I hope you join me on
the tour.

Right now I see the "Scholars for 911 Truth" as a conduit of
information, a group that can give that 911 evidence enough
credibility to get to that "mass media" you think will turn your day.

These gentlemen are for the most part academics, bookworm guys. Their
formulas, their expertise are needed for you if you want to prove a
case. I hope to carry their message along with me, for without the
verifications and the study of the science, many people will not move.
Movement is a goal. I got in this like the Forest Gump and accidental
tourist all wrapped up in one. Forest is about to start running across
the whole country.

I will use the knowledge I can get from these people to help free the
Americans from the cabals that hold them. 911 are a tool to do this.

Sorry for being so wordy.

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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:27:06 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F

Grolo,

i'm very thankful for that link of the BILD article and i will read it.
I reject your other impressions on the impact of 'Able Danger' and we're
here very hard on it in this list.

That shouldn't be a problem for you, if you just tolerate this "off-topic"
rule.

I'm sure, there is enough other opportunity for you to participate or
respond or just pick something up and promote it in germany.

My hope on this news topic is that some readers will not remain at
Hopsicker, who knows...

anyway, all the best and keep your eyes open in this list, check some
archive headers and content, then you should be aware, what our focus is.

in old friendship

nico aka ewing2001 :)

PS: I'm more interested, how germans tolerate a bilderberger (Merkel), as
new chancellor. The same gang also scripted the danish cartoon plot.

Germany is my no.1 candidate for the next big 9/11, possibly during world
cup. Germany appears to become the new leader in war on fake terror, also
blackmailed into it since january's kidnappings and other obscure political
incidents. Schroeder was bought into Gazprom to finalize the final oil
pipeline deals. The CIA terror flights had been promoted in germany first,
which seems to me a ploy to script a new fake opposition country.
In my view there wasn't any terror flight anyway, but possible "drugs" :)

Any insights on all this?? What about a bold german fake terror report into
this list???

However, watch out, that will be in your resume for this list -:)

>>>Well, that's BILD .. that's how they are ... it's the worst tabloid I
know and it is very US-Administration friedly !
Of course it's entertainment ! The 'risk' mentioning Hopsicker ist
somethin they would not do without a reason. No, it's not
sensationalism ... the Atta Keller Story is known for more than 2
years now ... it voids the picture of the 'good muslim', not drinking
alcohol, not having sex with a 'pegan' woman ...

but I see, you are not interested ! So simply forget it !<<

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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:34:37 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: Ok, let's calm down and think about ...

... how to team up ....

I mean my belifs and methods are different from the most people's
belifs and methods in this channel ... surely, I am not up to date ...
I've missed 1 1/2 years - there might be a lot new evidence ... but
the basic idea of a military operation that was carried out at 9/11
(also referred as MIHOP in the past, I think this term ran out of
fashion due the religeous MIHOP LIHOP problems) ist still my belif ...
but in my opinion it's still not provable (yet).

I am currently working on new projects and I have to find a job, so my
time is limited - and 9/11 is not the only political topic i am
dealing with ... we have a lot of inner problems in Germany and I am
focusing on that right now.

I wrote a mail to gerhard wisnewski today, one of the diffamated
German book authors, and film maker who has also interviewed nico
(broadcasted on German TV). I'm still fascinated by the multimedial
idea, although I am onto other methods than a year a or 2 ago. I liked
the 'sceptics Unite' idea and maybe a common project would be a nice
idea ... I think it's the right time now !

Any projects running ? Any cross atlantic projects running ?

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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:44:00 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 02/20 NYC

Under their system, we get to spread a subset of information that puts
us in thrll to one or another perp faction.
Each different hangout has it's own audience and is fighting the rest
for market share.

Yes, I have a better farking plan.
It involves harnessing the fundamental forces of the universe.
http://911bluestour.com
The math of Aether is the math of sonics and harmonics and scales at
bluesjam frequencies.

WE will spread the art of jam and leave pan bands in our wake.
Panbands making joyous noise create lasting and significant positive
change unobtainable by bitching.
Thankfulness for every good thing, even if the only good thing at the
time was the music itself, has risen humanity from depths unimaginable
to today's schnookies on the menu.

alexldent wrote:
>>>> They used media hoax. And now you guys expect to go to the hoaxers for
>>>>
> relief.<<<<
>
> You got a better plan? :)
>
> Seriously, I find it hard to believe that ALL the msm is in on 9/11 and that we
> can't trust ANY of them.
>
> The other point is that we simply don't have time or capital to build our own
> media, so we have to use the msm to some extent, if we really care about
> spreading the word.
>
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> wrote:
>
>>> It was beyond
>>>
>>>> scary to see their blank or confused stares over and over again.
>>>>
>> Heh. Yay for a dose of what I see daily, even here.
>> Idiot suckers, even right here in this group who STILL have not grokked
>> that 911 was a STAGED MEDIA HOAX.
>>
>> Yes, the blankness is scarey.
>>
>> I am not worried about THEIR blankness, but YOUR BLANKNESS and the
>> blankness of EVERY SCHNOOKIEDUPED SUCKER who imagines the
>>
> MSM as
>
>> something other than frontline perps.
>>
>> THEY DIDN'T USE PLANES.
>> They used media hoax. And now you guys expect to go to the hoaxers for
>> relief.
>> I am thinking people are really looking forward to being dead schnookies
>> with their children used as food.
>>
>> THEY DIDN'T USE PLANES.
>> This is a singularly important fact, which is why the TRUTHING
>> NSA/NASA/Urantia setup crew has you brainwashed into thinking it doesn't
>> matter whether they used arabs or newsbunnies to strike at the heart of
>> America.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:50:23 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:25:16 -0000
>

I disagree on that as well.
You can download media tools within minutes and start a radio show or
podcast.

For media tools it might take longer.
It's generally a duty to take over and build own independent media in my
opinion.

We all need to improve our skills, what 21st century tech depends.

This isn't just about 9/11, it's already a survival for the future against
mega-fascism.

'Cyberwar' wasn't scripted for nothing. Imagine, we would all have worked on
IRC since 4.3 years, everyone had their own tv show, file sharer or even a
24/7 blogger TV, we had more input.

Running a website or a blog isn't the same.

"Spreading the word", if it turns into 90% spin, is not spreading the word.
I call it in the best scenario calculated 'infiltration' with no guarantee
on the outcome.

>>>The other point is that we simply don't have time or capital to build our
own
media, so we have to use the msm to some extent, if we really care about
spreading the word.<<

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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:51:26 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

>>>or media tools it might take longer.<<<
"video tools" i tried to say

>>>
I disagree on that as well.
You can download media tools within minutes and start a radio show or
podcast.

For media tools it might take longer.
It's generally a duty to take over and build own independent media in my
opinion.

We all need to improve our skills, what 21st century tech depends.

This isn't just about 9/11, it's already a survival for the future against
mega-fascism.

'Cyberwar' wasn't scripted for nothing. Imagine, we would all have worked on
IRC since 4.3 years, everyone had their own tv show, file sharer or even a
24/7 blogger TV, we had more input.

Running a website or a blog isn't the same.

"Spreading the word", if it turns into 90% spin, is not spreading the word.
I call it in the best scenario calculated 'infiltration' with no guarantee
on the outcome.<<<<

>>>The other point is that we simply don't have time or capital to build our
own
media, so we have to use the msm to some extent, if we really care about
spreading the word.<<

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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:57:43 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F

Perhaps Grolo will catch onto the plotline media hoax well enough that
Germans can turn the tide in their country like we did when they were
planning to nuke Charleston.
The entire Frameup is deathly scared of exposure.

Things that seem to be happening now were planned for back in the 1970s.
A smaller number of people incapable of force could expose them and make
them crawl back under their rocks repeatedly and repeatedly./
In their plan we would all be dead twice by now.

I am proud of Greg Nixon and his best-faith effort , but rue and decry
his conclusion that internet networking is not "working".

It is just BEGINNING to show it's effectiveness, and Greg's protest was
part of that effectiveness.
It was like planting a seed and then bitching next day that it's not a
fullgrown flower and we ought to use ashphalt instead of seeds.

Nico Haupt wrote:
>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> Von: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between
>> ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
>> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:09:44 -0000
>>
>>
>
>
> Grolo,
>
> i'm very thankful for that link of the BILD article and i will read it.
> I reject your other impressions on the impact of 'Able Danger' and we're
> here very hard on it in this list.
>
> That shouldn't be a problem for you, if you just tolerate this "off-topic"
> rule.
>
> I'm sure, there is enough other opportunity for you to participate or
> respond or just pick something up and promote it in germany.
>
> My hope on this news topic is that some readers will not remain at
> Hopsicker, who knows...
>
> anyway, all the best and keep your eyes open in this list, check some
> archive headers and content, then you should be aware, what our focus is.
>
> in old friendship
>
> nico aka ewing2001 :)
>
>
> PS: I'm more interested, how germans tolerate a bilderberger (Merkel), as
> new chancellor. The same gang also scripted the danish cartoon plot.
>
> Germany is my no.1 candidate for the next big 9/11, possibly during world
> cup. Germany appears to become the new leader in war on fake terror, also
> blackmailed into it since january's kidnappings and other obscure political
> incidents. Schroeder was bought into Gazprom to finalize the final oil
> pipeline deals. The CIA terror flights had been promoted in germany first,
> which seems to me a ploy to script a new fake opposition country.
> In my view there wasn't any terror flight anyway, but possible "drugs" :)
>
>
> Any insights on all this?? What about a bold german fake terror report into
> this list???
>
> However, watch out, that will be in your resume for this list -:)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>> Well, that's BILD .. that's how they are ... it's the worst tabloid I
>>>>
> know and it is very US-Administration friedly !
> Of course it's entertainment ! The 'risk' mentioning Hopsicker ist
> somethin they would not do without a reason. No, it's not
> sensationalism ... the Atta Keller Story is known for more than 2
> years now ... it voids the picture of the 'good muslim', not drinking
> alcohol, not having sex with a 'pegan' woman ...
>
> but I see, you are not interested ! So simply forget it !<<
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn Ertell"
> <lynnertell@...> wrote:
> >
> > Mohammed Atta, Amanda Keller and the Venice Flying Circus
>
> > = more Hollywood plotline
> > = "Bread and circuses"
> >
> > ... sure to keep the masses preoccupied and sedated with
> > entertainment, sensationalism, cheap sex and the usual diversions,
> > red-herrings and everything but the kitchen sink..
>
> Well ... not the contents of the article is interesting ! It's that
> Hopsicker was mentioned - it's the first time that I red something
> about Atta, not conforming the official story, in mainstream media
> .. and yes, altough many of you might not like Hopsicker, he is
> doing a great job !
>
> Mainstream media avoided mentioning Hopsicker yet ... Now they mention
> him .... in the most US-Administration conforming Tabloid we have here
> in Germany .... so this means something ... I'm not sure what, but it
> makes me feel we are getting a step closer into the right direction.
>
> hm, I should translate my article, ... I think I'm misunderstood ... I
> will translate it tomorrow !
>
> > effectively muddying the waters to trivialize, obscure and conceal
> > basic and essential truths.
>
> Well, that's BILD .. that's how they are ... it's the worst tabloid I
> know and it is very US-Administration friedly !
> Of course it's entertainment ! The 'risk' mentioning Hopsicker ist
> somethin they would not do without a reason. No, it's not
> sensationalism ... the Atta Keller Story is known for more than 2
> years now ... it voids the picture of the 'good muslim', not drinking
> alcohol, not having sex with a 'pegan' woman ...
>
> but I see, you are not interested ! So simply forget it !
>
>
>
>

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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:58:00 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:

> That shouldn't be a problem for you, if you just tolerate this
"off-topic"
> rule.

yep ! got it ....

It's a big pity, but I will respect it ! I'm putting much hope in it,
but that's my opinion.

> nico aka ewing2001 :)
>
>
> PS: I'm more interested, how germans tolerate a bilderberger
(Merkel), as
> new chancellor. The same gang also scripted the danish cartoon plot.

Not up to date ... my opinion ... same like the
Schroeder/Schily/Scharping/Fischer Gang, in a diffrent color.

>
> Germany is my no.1 candidate for the next big 9/11, possibly during
world
> cup. Germany appears to become the new leader in war on fake terror,
also

I know that the 'Bundeskanzleramt' has viewed my homepage ....
(grolo.de) ... I've been hacked last week, my commercial HPs have been
blocked, the MRB of my linux machine (the one behind the firewall) was
overwritten ...

and I'm in slight trouble with the 'Generalbundesanwalt' (Federal
General Prosecutor ... ?? is that right ?), because of a missing
document ... I guess they are bluffing

> blackmailed into it since january's kidnappings and other obscure
political
> incidents. Schroeder was bought into Gazprom to finalize the final oil

That's what I think ... they are blackmailed on the one hand, because
the CIA knows enough about corruption within the government and the
BND/BfV, and others may be bribed or beckoned with good business
relationsships.

Did you hear about the kidnappings in iraq (Osthoff, and the two
German Engineers) .. I Think the latter ist conducted in order of US
industry and German Coporations to keep small companies out of Iraq ..

> pipeline deals. The CIA terror flights had been promoted in germany
first,
> which seems to me a ploy to script a new fake opposition country.
> In my view there wasn't any terror flight anyway, but possible
"drugs" :)

I am in contact with an assistant of the Left Whing (PDS/WASG)
Fraction in the 'bundestag' .... they are behind it, but unluckily the
comission has been blocked by the Green party, so all the evidence
will be exposed behind closed doors ... a strange symbiosis between
FDP and PDS: They both demand a comission ... and the Green party is
freighned ... we all know why !

You have probably heared about the BND being involved in Torture and
the Iraq war aswell ... so this is one of my great topics right now,
always keeping an eye on 9/11, but you know my strategy to take the
second step after the first one and this could lead to some 9/11 truth.

> Any insights on all this?? What about a bold german fake terror
report into
> this list???

Which one do you mean ??

I don't take anything serious anymore ... hey, I live in Bavaria, and
we have an 'innenminister' called Beckstein ... (like me a
franconian), so he always screames for more security ... however, I
will not be at the Soccer world Championships ... no harm will be done
:) And there are means to control the government ... maybe even to
blackmail them to not conduct a war ...

Anything really important can be red on medienanalyse-international.de
... feel free to ask for a translation (make your suggestions, Nico
... you don't will have to get involved with the translation, I will
do it ... you can do the correction work). I keep my eye on this site,
because I trust Hauss most and he is very moderate and leaves
speculation aside.

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1. Re: What exactly Should Scholars For 9/11 Truth Be Doing Before The Cameras?
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
2. Re: OT: An evil thought
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
3. Jimmy Walter with Rodriguez in Venezuela...
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
4. Re: Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
5. Who was the engineer who was so right?
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
6. Nico's critical analysis of Scholars for 9/11 Truth
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
7. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
8. Re: Nico's critical analysis of Scholars for 9/11 Truth
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
9. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
10. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
11. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
12. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
13. Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
14. Re: Exchange with Victoria Ashley.......w: [911truthalliance] www.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.com
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
15. Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
16. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
17. GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/Fl
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
18. Banned at hannity.com
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
19. Re: Banned at hannity.com
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
20. Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
21. Re: Banned at hannity.com (Clarificaiton)
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
22. Re: Exchange with Victoria Ashley.......w: [911truthalliance] www.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
23. Re: Banned at hannity.com (Clarificaiton)
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
24. Doug Thompson - I don't trust anything he reports.....
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
25. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:01:20 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: What exactly Should Scholars For 9/11 Truth Be Doing Before The Cameras?

excellent thoughts. I am a assoc. professor at my local university--
last night I decided I wanted to "come out of the closet" and give
some sort of lecture/presentation on 9/11. what you say here fits my
thoughts very well. the only problem is I am a biologist not an
engineer, but by now I think I could give a fairly scientific talk
even on the wtc.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Ed Barner
<edwinatlcom.net@...> wrote:
>
> I hope to see a lot of input on this question.
> Here are a few thoughts.
>
> The media wants to be seen as spectators not teachers.
> I think they'd want to report on a spectacle of some kind.
>
> I like the idea of having S9/11T in front of college crowds if
possible,
> architectural or engineering connections are obviously best. although
> they know more what venues they might be comfortable in.
>
> The cover up is one main weakness of the conspirators.
>
> I have asked that people with non disclosure agreements break them
> based on the following.
>
> " If Dad, kills Mom and blames the bogyman,
> Don't help Dad hide his crime.
>
> Rat Dad off.
>
> Get a new dad who doesn't kill family members."
>
>
> Do the math.
> 9/11 + cover up = treason.
>
> Specific people aided the cover up. They can be pointed out for
> questioning about their actions in destroying evidence and suppressing
> witness accounts
> The cover up can be traced to the perps.
> No one does a cover up of a crime they are not connected to.
> "If 9/11 was done by arabs, why was there a cover up of forensic,
> eyewitness and photographic evidence and who was in a position to have
> done it? "
>
> Bob Graham and Porter Goss were doing _What_ when the first plane hit
> the north tower?
>
> The falseness of the war on terra is becoming apparent to the average
> man on the street.
> The war on 'terra ' is based on 9/11
> It follows that a false flag event would not have a real emergency
> reaction from a concerned government.
> They have made no appropriate reaction because they know of the
> falseness of the 'emergency' and appropriateness now just consists of
> cashing in, which is what they have done.
>
> Strong points that I have not seen made elsewhere,
> The lack of layering in the buildings debris pile is a smoking gun
> because the materials were thoroughly mixed and did not stratify as
> would be appropriate for an unaided collapse. the lack of layering
> means explosives were used.
> The presence on the 78th floor of the south tower of Battalion Chief
> Orio J. Palmer and Fire Marshal Ronald P.* *Bucca, make blast furnace
> temperatures there, impossible.
>
> Just my comments .
> I hope thery are lost in a sea if great suggestions.
>
> Here's a parting thought.
> What if bush lost our ports because of blackmail ?
>
>
>
>
> inphoman911 wrote:
>
> > Where do you want them to go, and what do you want them to say. Be
> > breif but specific.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:12:20 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OT: An evil thought

Excellent idea. Last time the dems called me and asked for money I
said no because of 9/11. But the rethugs need to hear this too.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "malaprop" <malaprop2@...> wrote:
>
> [I got nothing from the group in almost two days, then about 40 came
this afternoon......but I am passing on this little OT tidbit.]
>
> Just got a call from the dems in my state, would I like to make a
contribution, etc..... I explained I would never contribute again,
and the only political interest I have now is getting everyone in
office impeached, regardless of their party.
>
> The young man was polite, and so was I but after hanging up, I
started thinking of possible benefits of changing my voter
registration from Dem to Ind., instead to GOP. The calls I would be
getting would be from the braindead supporters of very people who are
bent on destroying all, regardless of party. I may need to do
this---the callers are forced to be polite, but I am not under that
restriction.......
>

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:36:52 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Jimmy Walter with Rodriguez in Venezuela...

...both William Rodriguez and Jimmy Walter are in Venezuela to visit Chavez
and talk about 9/11.
Dunno, if they will protest outside his office, if he doesn't let them in :)
They told me this week seperately...

Somehow i like this 'nutcase attitude', but i doubt Chavez is on any side
and already hooked up with Russian globalists.

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:35:13 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof

Neither of what you show are what you can call long distances and the south west approach you show is based on the other version [with the last minute left turn but since it goes behind the north tower we don't know how that one hit. The longest flight is the Brooklyn shot. Why not include this one?

Loose Change says there was a south east approach.
----- Original Message -----
From: alexldent
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:44 AM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof

Thanks. What we need are videos that show the plane flying for some
distance, not just a few hundred feet.

There are some videos that I haven't looked at yet; this analysis is
still in progress. But the important point is that these two I found
CLEARLY shows different paths and this is something I hope we could
show to everyone and convince them something is really funny here.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...> wrote:
>
> Excellent work. The Brooklyn shot is another path, I believe. This
one is straight and if so would be without a last minute turn to the
left. The "pod shot" could be the ending to this straight path. One
witness also said it circled and came in from the Statue of Liberty.
Can you add anything new to your graphics based on the aforementioned?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alexldent
> To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:28 PM
> Subject: [911InsideJobbers] At least one of these videos is
"fake"-- I think this is solid proof
>
>
> Second hit approach path analysis:
>
>
http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/02/at-least-one-of-these-videos-must-be.html

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:39:10 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Who was the engineer who was so right?

A [so far] un-named engineer from the Department of Buildings reported that the structural damage appeared to be emmence. The stability of both buildings were compromised. In particular the engineer was worried about how long the north tower would stand.

This came at a time when delegates had reached WTC7, to the command bunker but were congretated in the lobby for fear of a third plane.[This will give an idea of the time line]

This concern was relayed to John Peruggia, the fire department's delegate. Peruggia summoned an emergency medical technician , Rich Zarillo [an aide] he was to go to the command post on West Street, across from the north tower. He was then only to see Chief of Department Peter Ganci and to tell him the information. Peruggia had no other means of making contact other than by messenger.

Rich Zarillo in fact told Chief Ganci's aide, Fire Marshall Steve Mosiello which was then passed on to his chief.

Ganci looked stunned and said "Who would tell you something like that". He knew from experience that skyscrapers do not collapse from less than an hour of fire.

Mosiello turned to the messenger. "Richie, come over here and tell the chief what you just told me" he said.

At that moment, at the command center on West Street, Chief Ganci had just finished hearing the message from Rich Zarillo and a gathering rumble filled the air. "What the fuck is that" Ganci asked.

A glance at the south tower, its top dissolving into smoke answered his question.

[adapted from the book "102 Minutes"]

To be continued if anything else emerges from the book in this regard.

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:49:46 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: Nico's critical analysis of Scholars for 9/11 Truth

F.Y.I.

Nico's piece Was still posted at Portland INDYMEDIA as of midnight
yesterday.

Today it is gone.

It has apparently been scrubbed by the censors at Portland INDYMEDIA.

The article must have hit a sensitive target.
Gatekeepers seem jumpy.
Did Fetzer get over there and have them remove it ?

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:03:35 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

(sigh)
Once again...I'll try to take this slow...
THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ***IS PERPS*****

They were the ones airing phoney footage while laying out an agenda of
blame and murder.
Main stream media is owned by defense contractors and the documented
infiltration by CIA and allied spookers goes back at least 50 years.

Is this why people perfer NASA/NSA brand half truth, cos it perserves
the thought of an honest media who will restore justice if we can only
"reach" them???

This is what makes the No DAMM PLANE research so important for it's own
sake.
It points the finger at Mainstream Media and it's allied PR Firms as THE
ONES WHO ARE SETTING US UP.

Mainstream media can be pushed to improve it's level of protective
coloration as fair and crusading.

But to believe that the mainstream media can be "reached" is Lemming
Leap fools game.

One Example: Oprah had the author of a Million Little Pieces on her show
to castigate him for lying.
Then, for the next two days, Oprah has Government Bird Flu liars and
Government Terror is Inevitable liars telling bigger lies and more
important lies and more transparent lies than some poor druggie author
could ever think up.

Your demonstration seems to have sparked the Village Voice article that
is the first time a fairly mainstream media outlet has ever mentioned
that some people don't think they even used planes.

Congratulations!!! You made the first crack in the wall of silence.

Don't demean this magnificent feat by recommending we stick to pandering
liars and thieves in the future.

greg nixon wrote:
> I agree Malaprop.
>
>
> The thing I have no doubt about after 2/20 is the grassroots approach
> is hopless.
> That model worked in the 70's perhaps. Why send the truth down the
> rabbit hole, why say don't bother with the MSM, they are all corrupt
> blah blah blah, We don't have 30 years to replace MSM. We need
> aggressive tactics to get this on MSM, however possible, or it's over
> PERIOD.
>
>
>
>
>
> */malaprop <malaprop2@msn.com>/* wrote:
>
> But wasn't this demonstration targeting the offenders, rather than
> the
> public at large? That's the way I took it from the very beginning.
> And as long as the offenders got a pie in the face, then the
> demonstration was a success. This wasn't really a educational msg,
> but for insiders.
>
> You can bet Gouliani got the word, and you know Amy Goodman got the
> message. And that every time these supporters/perps of 9/11 come off
> with their double-talk, in the back of their mind, they will know
> there are unseen people saying "B__ ___!" That's unnerving.
>
> And I'm sure the march was an embarrassment to them, which it should
> be. Maybe everytime they make a bs statement to the public, instead
> of emailing them our opinion, someone with a poster outside their
> bldg. would provide suitable reminder of our presence.
>
> If it was directed to the public as a wakeup call, it was a failure.
> If it was directed to the NATION, Goodwin, NYT,
> Guiliani, etc..., it was a success.
>

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:09:05 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Nico's critical analysis of Scholars for 9/11 Truth

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Nico's critical analysis of Scholars for 9/11
> Truth
> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:49:46 -0000
>

...hm, that would be the first time i am aware of censoring over there.
At least from my own articles. I will check, if some of the professors is
connected with portland.

I read your reply yesterday as "saigirl". That was nice, thx :)

I had 5-6 very positive and constructive responses from the scholars
of st911. Also, after all i finished an emotional debate with Fetzer in a
kind of peace agreement 2 days ago....

If it's gone, i will repost at bellaciao.

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:19:25 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

I kinda second Rosalee's opinion.
Provoking mainstream media is one thing, but using it as THE
only effective strategy isn't it at all.

I'm checking MSM now since 3 days. Noone picked up Greg Nixon's protest up
yet. I also was on the CBS netherland site (if that was the correct
affiliate). Zero.

Maxim and Village Voice shows that the 9/11 truth movement IS already
mainstream yet, but the "outrage" (incl. against gatekeepers) isn't.

This was possibly the last opportunity to turn the wheels around.
March could be the most critical month for the next phase of the "long war".

Greg did the best he can. I think from now on it's only praying.
I'm not saying, there is not enough hope anymore, but i believe, we came
too late.

As a therapy, luxury or whatever, but i will personally continue put my
energy into debunking reality tv from sep11th, while at the same time
analysing the ww4/5 situation....

I still believe, this is most important, because the next phase will include
even more fakery on TV.

>>>(sigh)
Once again...I'll try to take this slow...
THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ***IS PERPS*****

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:37:09 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

Nico Haupt wrote:
>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:03:35 -0600
>>
>>
>
>
> I kinda second Rosalee's opinion.
> Provoking mainstream media is one thing, but using it as THE
> only effective strategy isn't it at all.
>
> I'm checking MSM now since 3 days. Noone picked up Greg Nixon's protest up
> yet. I also was on the CBS netherland site (if that was the correct
> affiliate). Zero.
>
> Maxim and Village Voice shows that the 9/11 truth movement IS already
> mainstream yet, but the "outrage" (incl. against gatekeepers) isn't.
>
> This was possibly the last opportunity to turn the wheels around.
> March could be the most critical month for the next phase of the "long war".
>
> Greg did the best he can. I think from now on it's only praying.
> I'm not saying, there is not enough hope anymore, but i believe, we came
> too late.
>
> As a therapy, luxury or whatever, but i will personally continue put my
> energy into debunking reality tv from sep11th, while at the same time
> analysing the ww4/5 situation....
>
> I still believe, this is most important, because the next phase will include
> even more fakery on TV.
>
>
>>>> (sigh)
>>>>
> Once again...I'll try to take this slow...
> THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ***IS PERPS*****
>
> They were the ones airing phoney footage while laying out an agenda of
> blame and murder.
> Main stream media is owned by defense contractors and the documented
> infiltration by CIA and allied spookers goes back at least 50 years.
> <<<
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> (sigh)
> Once again...I'll try to take this slow...
> THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ***IS PERPS*****
>
> They were the ones airing phoney footage while laying out an agenda of
> blame and murder.
> Main stream media is owned by defense contractors and the documented
> infiltration by CIA and allied spookers goes back at least 50 years.
>
> Is this why people perfer NASA/NSA brand half truth, cos it perserves
> the thought of an honest media who will restore justice if we can only
> "reach" them???
>
> This is what makes the No DAMM PLANE research so important for it's own
> sake.
> It points the finger at Mainstream Media and it's allied PR Firms as THE
> ONES WHO ARE SETTING US UP.
>
>
> Mainstream media can be pushed to improve it's level of protective
> coloration as fair and crusading.
>
> But to believe that the mainstream media can be "reached" is Lemming
> Leap fools game.
>
> One Example: Oprah had the author of a Million Little Pieces on her show
> to castigate him for lying.
> Then, for the next two days, Oprah has Government Bird Flu liars and
> Government Terror is Inevitable liars telling bigger lies and more
> important lies and more transparent lies than some poor druggie author
> could ever think up.
>
>
> Your demonstration seems to have sparked the Village Voice article that
> is the first time a fairly mainstream media outlet has ever mentioned
> that some people don't think they even used planes.
>
> Congratulations!!! You made the first crack in the wall of silence.
>
> Don't demean this magnificent feat by recommending we stick to pandering
> liars and thieves in the future.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> greg nixon wrote:
> > I agree Malaprop.
> >
> >
> > The thing I have no doubt about after 2/20 is the grassroots approach
> > is hopless.
> > That model worked in the 70's perhaps. Why send the truth down the
> > rabbit hole, why say don't bother with the MSM, they are all corrupt
> > blah blah blah, We don't have 30 years to replace MSM. We need
> > aggressive tactics to get this on MSM, however possible, or it's over
> > PERIOD.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > */malaprop <malaprop2@msn.com>/* wrote:
> >
> > But wasn't this demonstration targeting the offenders, rather than
> > the
> > public at large? That's the way I took it from the very beginning.
> > And as long as the offenders got a pie in the face, then the
> > demonstration was a success. This wasn't really a educational msg,
> > but for insiders.
> >
> > You can bet Gouliani got the word, and you know Amy Goodman got the
> > message. And that every time these supporters/perps of 9/11
> come off
> > with their double-talk, in the back of their mind, they will know
> > there are unseen people saying "B__ ___!" That's unnerving.
> >
> > And I'm sure the march was an embarrassment to them, which it should
> > be. Maybe everytime they make a bs statement to the public, instead
> > of emailing them our opinion, someone with a poster outside their
> > bldg. would provide suitable reminder of our presence.
> >
> > If it was directed to the public as a wakeup call, it was a failure.
> > If it was directed to the NATION, Goodwin, NYT,
> > Guiliani, etc..., it was a success.
> >
>

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:59:12 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

ahem.
We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's nothing
left to do but pray, and we're too late and too small?

Heh.
Four years ago I figured there was nothing to do but pray cos we were
too late and all there was was me - alone - having noticed there was no
plane at the first hit -- my first real clue how to dump the whole frameup.

Talk about asymmetrical odds!!

It is four years and some later, and I am still alive, a fact that
amazes me all by itself.
We've managed to drive the lemmings back from the cliff numerous times
while we work out how to release them from their lemming spell.

Now we are looking forward to a national tour
http://911bluestour.com/
To boogie our way to freedom.

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:08:28 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

Maybe i just needed a refreshing pusher.
I will not give up yet :)
There is also still enough space to give the perps a hard time...

Let's work on the 'prank' soon. I have now my tv team together.

>>>ahem.
We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's nothing
left to do but pray, and we're too late and too small?

Talk about asymmetrical odds!!

Now we are looking forward to a national tour
http://911bluestour.com/
To boogie our way to freedom.<<

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:58:01 +0200
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
Subject: Re: 2/20 NYC

Cathy Garger wrote:

> But again, as I see it, yesterday was a success not just because of
> the Netherlands film crew,

Did anyone catch any contact info for this Dutch crew? I'd like to
speak with them, and they're in my neighborhood.

Thanks,

Roy McCoy
Rotterdam, NL

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:43:07 +0200
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
Subject: Re: Exchange with Victoria Ashley.......w: [911truthalliance] www.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.com

malaprop wrote:

> f.y.i. (top-posted exchange)

I don't know what a top-posted exchange is, but thanks anyway.
What I found most interesting in Ashley's messages was that while
she was, via the material she was citing, insinuating that articles
by Szymanski are "designed to intimidate would-be whistleblowers who
are afraid of being harassed by the government for their work," she
herself repeats the intimidating accounts concerned and is thus,
despite her indicating that she doesn't necessarily believe them,
essentially fulfilling the same function she attributes to Szymanski.

On the "Bloggers in Amsterdam" thing I wrote about last week,
I think I finally figured out what it might have been about.
The blogers who came over didn't generally seem suspicious, at
least the ones who were at the Democrats Abroad event I went to -
but I realized that it might have been just to make a more effective
network out of them, putting them in touch personally with each other,
etc. Then, as this view would have it, any (dis)info dropped in the
right place might be counted on to be disseminated more rapidly and
thoroughly. I'm not at all sure that this was the idea, but it at
least seemed plausible.

I'll be turning off receiving mail from this list again soon.
It's interesting (that's the problem), but the messages keep piling
up and, you know. I'll probably be dropping back in from time to time,
and anyone is welcome to contact me privately if they want.

Roy McCoy
Rotterdam, NL

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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:29:02 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 2/20 NYC

A couple of thoughts:

1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be able to get some
decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.

2) a couple of years ago, there was hardly any talk of the WTC being blown
up. Now demolition is all over the place and fairly widely accepted by 9/11
skeptics. I predict in another year or two, video manipulation will just as
widely accepted-- if we work at it. The important thing, the video fakery is so
damn obvous once you know where to look.

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:31:17 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

neither one of you clicked my link.

alexldent wrote:
> A couple of thoughts:
>
> 1) not all of the media are perps. It seems like we should be able to get some
> decent-minded media types to turn on the bad guys.
>
> 2) a couple of years ago, there was hardly any talk of the WTC being blown
> up. Now demolition is all over the place and fairly widely accepted by 9/11
> skeptics. I predict in another year or two, video manipulation will just as
> widely accepted-- if we work at it. The important thing, the video fakery is so
> damn obvous once you know where to look.
>
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
> wrote:
>
>>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>>> Von: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
>>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC
>>> Datum: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:59:12 -0600
>>>
>>>
>> Maybe i just needed a refreshing pusher.
>> I will not give up yet :)
>> There is also still enough space to give the perps a hard time...
>>
>> Let's work on the 'prank' soon. I have now my tv team together.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> ahem.
>>>>>
>> We've turned a corner on them, and suddenly you decide there's nothing
>> left to do but pray, and we're too late and too small?
>>
>> Heh.
>> Four years ago I figured there was nothing to do but pray cos we were
>> too late and all there was was me - alone - having noticed there was no
>> plane at the first hit -- my first real clue how to dump the whole frameup.
>>
>> Talk about asymmetrical odds!!
>>
>> It is four years and some later, and I am still alive, a fact that
>> amazes me all by itself.
>> We've managed to drive the lemmings back from the cliff numerous times
>> while we work out how to release them from their lemming spell.
>>
>> Now we are looking forward to a national tour
>> http://911bluestour.com/
>> To boogie our way to freedom.<<
>>
>>

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:47:34 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/Fl

The original article:
http://www1.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/2004/03/25/atta__freundin/atta__freundin.html

My comments in German: http://www.grolo.de/index.php?id=3,93,0,0,1,0

Able Danger - Hearings seem to take effect:

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Venice – Sein Gesicht ist die Todesfratze des 11. September 2001, des
Anschlags auf das New Yorker World Trade Center (2996 Tote). Mohammed
Atta, Anführer der Terrorpiloten!

Venice - His face is the grimace of death of 9/11 2001, the attack on
the WTC in New York (2996 death). Mohammed Atta, Leader of the Terror
Pilots.

Der US-Journalist Daniel Hopsicker zeichnet die letzten Lebensmonate
des Attentäters nach. Er fand die letzte Freundin von Atta: eine
gewisse Amanda Keller (24).

US-Journalist Daniel Hopsicker recorded the last months of the
attackers life. He has found Attas last girlfriend, Amanda Keller (24)
[a free translation]

In seinem Buch „Welcome to Terrorland"* packt die Frau aus. Die
Geschichte, deren Wahrheitsgehalt schwer nachprüfbar ist, beginnt so:

She 'blows the whistle' in his book "Welcome to Terrorland" [The term
'auspacken' means to unpack .... I looked up the translation and it
says 'to blow the whistle' ... you can also replace it by 'testify'].
The story, which is hardly verifyable, starts like that:

Im Februar 2001 lernte die Amerikanerin Atta kennen. Sie arbeitete bei
„Papa John's Pizza" in Venice (US-Staat Florida).

The american woman meets atta in Feb. 2001 . She works at 'Papa John's
Pizza' in venice/florida.

„Wissen Sie, wie schön Sie sind?", schmeichelte ihr Atta über den
Tresen. Erst blaffte Amanda ihn an. Aber er kam jeden Tag wieder,
bestellte „Pizza mit allem", flirtete seine „Teigfee" an, bewunderte
ihre „natürliche Schönheit". Nicht lange, dann ging Atta mit Amanda,
zog zu ihr.

"Do you know how beautyful you are ?", Atta smoozed to her cross the
bar. Firt Amanda's yapping [did not find a term for 'blaffen' ... I
admit I don't know this word ... it's German Slang] at him. But he
returned daily, ordered a 'Pizza with everything', was flirting with
his "Pastry-Fay", admires her natural beauty. It didn't take very
long, then they were a couple, she relocated to his flat [free
translation .... the original german text is TERRIBLE].

Es begannen wilde Monate voller Sex, Drogen, Alkohol – und Gewalt.

Wild months filled with sex, drugs and alcohol - and violence - started.

Atta trug lässige Yuppie-Kleidung, war Spaßtrinker, von Frauen in
Szenebars belagert, warf mit Geld und Lokalrunden nur so um sich.

Atta was wearing easy going Yuppie-clothing, was fun-drinking, was
occupied (??) by women in scene-bars, and threw around money and
'paying drings for the whole club'[free translation for 'Lokalrunden']

Für Atta, den Schläfer, der Flugstunden nahm, wurde die sexy Amanda
wohl mehr als nur schrilles Accessoire seiner Tarnung. Hatte sich der
Mann, der schon sein Todesdatum kannte, etwa verliebt?

For Atta, the sleeper, who took flight hours, Amanda obviously turned
out to be something more than a flashy accessoire of his camouflage.
Did the guy, who already knew the date of his death, fall in love ?

Mit Amanda zog Atta in Key West drei Tage durch die Kneipen, ohne eine
Sekunde Schlaf. Er zahlte alles, schnupfte Kokain mit gerollten
Dollarnoten, steckte Stripperinnen 20-Dollar-Scheine in die Tanga-Slips.

Atta and amanda went through the bars in Key west for 3 days, without
sleeping a second. He payed everything, sniffed cocaine with rolled
dollar bills and put $20 bills into the thongs of strippers.

„Er nannte mich die ganze Zeit Heidin", erinnert sich Amanda.

"He always called me 'his pegan'", Amanda remembers.

Sex mit Atta? Da kichert die junge Frau, bewegt den ausgestreckten
kleinen Finger deutlich schlängelnd – ihr Zeichen für eine
unterdurchschnittliche männliche Ausstattung.

Sex with Atta ? She snikkers, moves her stretched little curling
finger - her sign for a below-average male equippment.[German polite
term for a little dick]

„Er hatte keine Leidenschaft. Seine leidenschaftlichsten Augenblicke
hatte er, wenn er im Schlaf meine Füße traktierte. Sex mit ihm war
schrecklich."

"He did not have passion. His most passionate moments were when he
mauled my feet while sleeping. Sex with him was horrible"

Attas Zorn erlebte Amanda, als sie genug von ihm hatte, sie ihm auf
ziemlich demütigende Art den Laufpass gab. Vor seinen Augen tanzte sie
mit ihrem Neuen „Dirty Dancing", knutschte auf der Tanzfläche. Die
Nacht im gemeinsamen Apartment verbrachte Atta auf der
Wohnzimmercouch. Nebenan trieben es Amanda und ihr Lover im Schlafzimmer.

Amanda experienced atta's anger, when she had enough of him, as she
broke up on a real abassing kind. She was dancing 'Dirty Dancing' with
her new Guy in front of his eyes, kissed him (the new one) on the
dance floor.Atta slept on the living room couche of their common
appartment that night. Amanda and her new lover were **** [did not
find a translation for 'es mit jemandem treiben' ... it's a synonyme
for having sex ] in the sleeping room.

Als Amanda ihn vor die Tür setzte, drohte Atta: „Das wird dir noch
Leid tun."

As Amanda threw im out, Atta htreathened her : "You will feel sorry
for that"

Eine Woche später passierte es. Amanda kam nach Hause. Anders als
sonst schnurrte keines ihrer sechs Kätzchen an der Tür, als sie
aufschloss. Sie drehte das Licht an. „Überall waren tote Kätzchen. Die
Katzenmutter lag aufgeschlitzt auf meinem Küchentisch... Es war
scheußlich."

One week later, as Amanda came home, none of her six kitten were
purring at the door as usual. Dead kitten were everywhere, the
cat-mother was lying slashed on the kitchen table ... it was horrible"

Mit einer Blutorgie hatte sich Atta aus Amandas Leben verabschiedet –
bis sie nach dem 11. September sein Foto in der Zeitung sah.

With his orgie of blood, atta disappeared from Amanda's life, until
she saw his photo in the newspaper after 9/11.

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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:50:05 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Banned at hannity.com

I managed to get myself banned at hannity.com today.

I was posting my favorite blurb:

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Listen Up!

The truth about 9/11 is something none of you, lib or conservative seem to
comprehend.

No Arab Terrorist had anything to do with 9/11 except as Patsies. The
official story of 9/11 is a huge lie. The idea that there were hijacked
planes is part of the myth / psyop. I know this may sound crazy. If any of
you have paid attention, you know that the 9/11 Commission was a cover up
commission.

Get Webster Tarpley's book: 9/11 Synthetic Terror, Made in the USA. Just
look it up on Amazon. It's tells almost the whole true story.

Bil Giltner

[URL="http://bgtruth.blogspot.com"]http://bgtruth.blogspot.com[/URL]

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I posted replies in about 10 places. What does this this group. Keep doing
this? Use a different blurb?

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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:56:13 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Banned at hannity.com

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner"
<bill.giltner@...> wrote:
>
> I managed to get myself banned at hannity.com today.
>
> I was posting my favorite blurb:
>
>
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>
> Listen Up!
>
> The truth about 9/11 is something none of you, lib or conservative
seem to
> comprehend.
>
> No Arab Terrorist had anything to do with 9/11 except as Patsies. The
> official story of 9/11 is a huge lie. The idea that there were hijacked
> planes is part of the myth / psyop. I know this may sound crazy. If
any of
> you have paid attention, you know that the 9/11 Commission was a
cover up
> commission.
>
> Get Webster Tarpley's book: 9/11 Synthetic Terror, Made in the USA. Just
> look it up on Amazon. It's tells almost the whole true story.
>
> Bil Giltner
>
> [URL="http://bgtruth.blogspot.com"]http://bgtruth.blogspot.com[/URL]
>

Surprised ?

I was called a Nazi ('cos I'm German) for saying that on voice chats
.... you can say things like that a bit more diplomatic :)

Then they will listen a bit longer.

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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:01:32 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "grolode" <grolode@...>
> The original article:
>
http://www1.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/2004/03/25/atta__freundin/atta__freundin.html
>
> My comments in German: http://www.grolo.de/index.php?id=3,93,0,0,1,0

Maybe nico can translate this (if interested) .... he's a bit more in
practice than me !
I didn't have english conversation for a long time.

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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:05:35 -0000
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Banned at hannity.com (Clarificaiton)

I appreciate the feedback. However I can't see myself softening the
message.

My original post from Monday (which was in it's current form) didn't
hurt me.

It was only when I post this comment in 10 places in the disucssing
in the span of about 10 minutes that they tossed me.

I wanted to test the limits of the forum, because it surprised me
that they left my original comment up as long as I did.

I think creating any small stir that can be created is good.

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "grolode" <grolode@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner"
> <bill.giltner@> wrote:
> >
> > I managed to get myself banned at hannity.com today.
> >
> > I was posting my favorite blurb:
> >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Listen Up!
> >
> > The truth about 9/11 is something none of you, lib or
conservative
> seem to
> > comprehend.
> >
> > No Arab Terrorist had anything to do with 9/11 except as
Patsies. The
> > official story of 9/11 is a huge lie. The idea that there were
hijacked
> > planes is part of the myth / psyop. I know this may sound crazy.
If
> any of
> > you have paid attention, you know that the 9/11 Commission was a
> cover up
> > commission.
> >
> > Get Webster Tarpley's book: 9/11 Synthetic Terror, Made in the
USA. Just
> > look it up on Amazon. It's tells almost the whole true story.
> >
> > Bil Giltner
> >
> > [URL="http://bgtruth.blogspot.com"]http://bgtruth.blogspot.com
[/URL]
> >
>
>
> Surprised ?
>
> I was called a Nazi ('cos I'm German) for saying that on voice
chats
> .... you can say things like that a bit more diplomatic :)
>
> Then they will listen a bit longer.
>

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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:09:13 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Exchange with Victoria Ashley.......w: [911truthalliance] www.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.

When you closely examine sites like
http://911review.com (Jim Hoffman, Victoria Ashley and company)
ask yourself:
What is the underlying SUB-TEXTUAL agenda...,
and WHO is the INTENDED target audience ?

Sites like Hoffman's make no bones about the controlled demolition of
the Towers and WTC7.
Yet they go to prodigious lengths to discredit the work of
people like Morgan Reynolds, BECAUSE, Reynolds openly scoffs at the
notion that real planes were used in the "attacks".
To the novice, such nuanced distinctions seem secondary and not
essential to the core MIHOP explanation of 9/11.

But the psychology used by Hoffman and associates is very subtle, very
manipulative and diabolically deceptive.

At first glance, Hoffman's site seems to be promoting MIHIOP, which
would make it a very effective ATTRACTOR (preaching to the converted)
for those who ALREADY GRASP that 9/11 was a MIHOP inside job.

So what is the deception involved here ?
It is the old "lie by omission".
And what is omitted ?
THE CENTRAL ROLE OF THE CONTROLLED CORPORATE-STATE MEDIA, in
perpetrating the 9/11 "planes crashing into skyscrapers" hoax.

This is about much more than simple neurotic "plane-hugging".
To see the distinction in terms of a mere difference of opinion or
vague uncertainties about secondary "unanswered questions" is to miss
the point of what Hoffman is doing.
Hoffman goes out of his way to promote the reliability of planted
"evidence", by prominently featuring media-provided photos of what is
alleged to be "wreckage" from planes at the Towers and the Pentagon.

By fanatically clinging to the "crashing planes" meme, Hoffman is
subtly but effectively RESTORING THE CREDIBIITY OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

To simply argue "controlled demolition", while stubbornly keeping
"planes" in the whole 9/11 scenario; Hoffman sidesteps the whole issue
of "media hoax".
So his effective role is to shore up the legitimacy and credibility of
the mainstream media.

When, in reality, the mass brainwashing capacity of the controlled
media is the most essential and critical element of the entire 9/11
psy-op.

Just as it has continued to be central to the subsequent serial string
of "terrorist" psy-ops in Bali, Madrid, London, Amman, etc.

Indeed, cursory examination of Hoffman/Ashley yields no reference
(that I can find) to the OTHER afore-mentioned false-flag events.
Are we to forget about those and narrowly focus on 9/11, all by
itself, as an isolated singular instance of false-flag terror ?

Controlled demolition of the Towers and WTC7 would never be sufficient
BY ITSELF, to generate a mass understanding of the entire global
strategy of sequenced false-flag synthetic terror attacks.

EXPOSING THE CENTRAL ROLE OF THE MEDIA (hoax, deception, brainwashing)
is key to the whole sick game.

And the glaring, screaming absence of this essential truth is key to
the method of misdirection and disinformation, employed by Hoffman at
his WEB site.

Controlled demolition can be spun out, thus retaining credibility (and
influence ... even control) to CO-OPT the rapidly growing mass
consciousness of 9/11 as some kind of "inside job"....
while Hoffman and his posse obscure, conceal and deny (by omission and
implication) the most powerful weapon the globalists possess: their
control of global mass electronic and print media.

This is truly, "hiding in plain site", because it attempts to keep the
emerging vanguard of 9/11 "truth" activists, and their potential
audience, closely tethered and tightly-bound to the umbilical cord of
the controlled media; while paying lip service to "inside job" and
even "controlled demolition" ...
the very memes which honest people in the movement are so desperate
and grateful to get out into the public arena.

Hoffman exploits the best intentions of honest people, cleverly and
ruthlessly; only to keep them inside the psychic prison of mass media.

His transparent propping up of otherwise "secondary" themes of
disinformation, like "peak oil" (he promotes oilempire), provides
further evidence of the blind alleys and dead-ends into which he would
side-track that honest energy and activism.

If this isn't cleverly contrived COINTELPRO; then it certainly should be.

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--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Roy McCoy <roy@...> wrote:
>
> malaprop wrote:
>
> > f.y.i. (top-posted exchange)
>
> I don't know what a top-posted exchange is, but thanks anyway.
> What I found most interesting in Ashley's messages was that while
> she was, via the material she was citing, insinuating that articles
> by Szymanski are "designed to intimidate would-be whistleblowers who
> are afraid of being harassed by the government for their work," she
> herself repeats the intimidating accounts concerned and is thus,
> despite her indicating that she doesn't necessarily believe them,
> essentially fulfilling the same function she attributes to Szymanski.
>
> On the "Bloggers in Amsterdam" thing I wrote about last week,
> I think I finally figured out what it might have been about.
> The blogers who came over didn't generally seem suspicious, at
> least the ones who were at the Democrats Abroad event I went to -
> but I realized that it might have been just to make a more effective
> network out of them, putting them in touch personally with each other,
> etc. Then, as this view would have it, any (dis)info dropped in the
> right place might be counted on to be disseminated more rapidly and
> thoroughly. I'm not at all sure that this was the idea, but it at
> least seemed plausible.
>
> I'll be turning off receiving mail from this list again soon.
> It's interesting (that's the problem), but the messages keep piling
> up and, you know. I'll probably be dropping back in from time to time,
> and anyone is welcome to contact me privately if they want.
>
>
> Roy McCoy
> Rotterdam, NL
>

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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:23:38 -0000
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Banned at hannity.com (Clarificaiton)

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner"
<bill.giltner@...> wrote:
>
> I appreciate the feedback. However I can't see myself softening the
> message.

Let me say it that way .... if you place a sirene close to the ear of
a deaf person, he/she will still not notice it.

> I think creating any small stir that can be created is good.

Yes and no !

Well, any small motion into 'the right direction' is a good one ....
9/11 is 4 1/2 years ago ... wait and see ... the able danger hearing
will get us a big step into the right direction. All the
conservatives, patriots, brainwashed folks, infetable Nazis or
religeous fanatics in your country will not be convinced by loud
screams ... you have to demonstrate them that they belive in the wrong
ideologies .... and this is very hard and long work, because it voids
their complete picture of the world. You know plato's 'parable of the
cave' (don't know the english term ... it's called hoelenparabel in
German) ... If you confront people with something new, strange or
unknown, out of the horizon of their experience, they will get
confused, but not trusting ... they will always mistrust you .... you
will have to familiarize them slowly and very calm ....

otherwise they will simply not listen.

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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:27:25 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Doug Thompson - I don't trust anything he reports.....

Doug Thompson seems to be playing a game to win over everyone who hates the
Bush Admin.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_8184.shtml

I won't trust a thing he says until he talks turkey about 9/11.

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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:36:24 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: 2/20 NYC

i don't think, we have the luxury to hope that for in 2 years,
coz that would be extreme too late.

However i could indeed imagine, it will be reflected at msm at one point.

It's ironic, that with 2-4 more video 'workers' we did so much progress
lately, that i think it's still just about lack of manpower and tools....

>>>I predict in another year or two, video manipulation will just as
widely accepted-- if we work at it.<<<

--
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