Wednesday, June 28, 2006

1.: Coming soon -- mind-reading computers

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:26 am (PST)

<http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame.html?main=/news/news_single.html?id=5674>

An "emotionally aware" computer being developed by University of Cambridge and MIT scientists will be able to read an individual's thoughts by analyzing a combination of facial movements that represent underlying feelings.

Applications could include improving people's driving skills, helping companies tailor advertising to people's moods, and online teaching.

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2.: Re: [Fwd: DRG indicts himself with his silence]

Posted by: "LeaNder" l.l.hahn@web.de l_l_hahn

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:12 am (PST)

>
> It gives us a compass out of the ratmaze.
> Raw naked truth has it's own power
> Kaminski adopted the no plane information for a very short time, later
> admitting he thought it had antisemitic value, but dropped it when it
> didn't prove useful for that.
>
What part of the no plane story did Kaminski consider antisemitic?

Personally I find the no plane theory a creative contribution but but
ultimately cynical. A cenario in 2200, I have no idea, maybe?

-b

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3a.: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [ctrl] On Building an Effective 9/11 Truth Movement]

Posted by: "The Webfairy" webfairy@thewebfairy.com the_webfairy

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:20 am (PST)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Fwd: [ctrl] On Building an Effective 9/11 Truth Movement]
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:01:08 +1000
From: Gerard Holmgren <holmgren@iinet.net.au>
To: 'The Webfairy' <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>

Huh ?

Sean McBride has just been telling us that he doesn’t care what the truth
is.

Furthermore, I as a lowly wretchling without the intellectual capacity to
determine the truth for myself, recently begged and beseeched his
magnificence Griffin to tell me what the truth is and he wouldn’t.

So then I turned to another mighty intellect in Seam McBride, begging and
beseeching him to tell me what truth I should believe.

Did AA77 hit the pentagon ?

Was there a demolition ?

He wont tell me either. In fact he doesn’t even care.

Now I am wracked with confusion and doubt.

I am ready to shout from the rooftops whatever truth Lord Griffin commands
me to shout. All I ask, in my lowly wretchling manner is - may I be
permitted to know exactly what this truth is ?

-----Original Message-----
From: The Webfairy [mailto:webfairy@thewebfairy.com]
Sent: Monday, 26 June 2006 3:50 PM
To: Gerard Holmgren
Subject: [Fwd: [ctrl] On Building an Effective 9/11 Truth Movement]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [ctrl] On Building an Effective 9/11 Truth Movement
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sean McBride <smcbride2@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ctrl@yahoogroups.com
To: political-research@yahoogroups.com, ctrl <ctrl@yahoogroups.com>,
apfn-1 <apfn-1@yahoogroups.com>

On Building an Effective 9/11 Truth Movement
Building an effective 9/11 truth movement, one which may be able to
acquire enough steam to inspire the American people to demand answers
for the hundreds of outstanding questions about 9/11, will require
enlisting as many sincere and bright minds as possible. Accomplishing
this will require tolerating a wide range of diverse opinions and
theories about what really happened on 9/11. The only price of admission
should be the willingness to challenge the official story, using facts
and reason.
Any parties in the movement that are engaging in COINTELPRO-style
attacks on the most effective voices for opening up a real official
investigation into 9/11 should be thoroughly ostracized and ignored, in
my opinion -- not given the time of day. They are working to destroy
effective coalition-building of the kind that is necessary to push 9/11
to the front and center of the American political agenda.
If no-planers want to be taken seriously, they will have to treat other
9/11 skeptics, all across the spectrum, with civility and respect.
Otherwise, they will understandably become the targets of the very same
abuse they are dishing out.

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3b.: Re: [Fwd: RE: [Fwd: [ctrl] On Building an Effective 9/11 Truth Movem

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:27 am (PST)

[This was written before the last message -- I hope it will be the last word on Holmgren and his associates.]

Holmgren demonstrates once again why the no-planer cult has made so many enemies and inspires so much disgust.

He accuses me of not caring about the truth concerning 9/11, when in fact I care so much about it that I've studied and analyzed reams evidence, and taken great care to not to claim to know the truth in those areas where so far it is unknowable with any certainty. Not only that, I've stuck my neck out in pushing for the debunking of the 9/11 story in every way possible. For this, one is abused by Holmgren, a neocon apologist who is working to sow as much dissension as possible among 9/11 skeptics.

Holmgren, like all zealots, has very low truth standards. He demands ironclad answers where none are available to thoughtful people.

With regard to all of Holmgren's questions: I don't know. And neither does he.

A plane or a missile may or may not have hit the Pentagon -- the available evidence is contradictory.

WTC7 was probably brought down by controlled demolition, but I don't know for certain. Steven Jones never engages in personal attacks with those who don't fully agree with his analysis. This is why he has credibility and respect and the no-planers don't.

None of the key questions about the operational details of 9/11 can be answered until a full and honest investigation is conducted. A meaningful investigation will occur only if a critical mass of mainstream Americans is persuaded that it is necessary, by 9/11 skeptics and researchers with effective communications skills. By engaging in COINTELPRO-style attacks on the most effective 9/11 skeptics, the no-planers are making it less, not more likely, that such an investigation will take place.

I would still like to hear Webfairy's explanation for why Holmgren turns disagreements with Israel and the neoconservatives into attacks on "the Jews." It sure sounds like this guy has a very familiar agenda. Most of the people associated with that agenda have been doing everything in their power to shut down the 9/11 skeptics. Sounds like COINTELPRO to me. Worm your way into a movement and then burn it to the ground.

The Webfairy <webfairy@thewebfairy.com> wrote:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Fwd: [ctrl] On Building an Effective 9/11 Truth Movement]
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:01:08 +1000
From: Gerard Holmgren <holmgren@iinet.net.au>
To: 'The Webfairy' <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>

Huh ?

Sean McBride has just been telling us that he doesn’t care what the truth
is.

Furthermore, I as a lowly wretchling without the intellectual capacity to
determine the truth for myself, recently begged and beseeched his
magnificence Griffin to tell me what the truth is and he wouldn’t.

So then I turned to another mighty intellect in Seam McBride, begging and
beseeching him to tell me what truth I should believe.

Did AA77 hit the pentagon ?

Was there a demolition ?

He wont tell me either. In fact he doesn’t even care.

Now I am wracked with confusion and doubt.

I am ready to shout from the rooftops whatever truth Lord Griffin commands
me to shout. All I ask, in my lowly wretchling manner is - may I be
permitted to know exactly what this truth is ?

-----Original Message-----
From: The Webfairy [mailto:webfairy@thewebfairy.com]
Sent: Monday, 26 June 2006 3:50 PM
To: Gerard Holmgren
Subject: [Fwd: [ctrl] On Building an Effective 9/11 Truth Movement]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [ctrl] On Building an Effective 9/11 Truth Movement
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sean McBride <smcbride2@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ctrl@yahoogroups.com
To: political-research@yahoogroups.com, ctrl <ctrl@yahoogroups.com>,
apfn-1 <apfn-1@yahoogroups.com>

On Building an Effective 9/11 Truth Movement
Building an effective 9/11 truth movement, one which may be able to
acquire enough steam to inspire the American people to demand answers
for the hundreds of outstanding questions about 9/11, will require
enlisting as many sincere and bright minds as possible. Accomplishing
this will require tolerating a wide range of diverse opinions and
theories about what really happened on 9/11. The only price of admission
should be the willingness to challenge the official story, using facts
and reason.
Any parties in the movement that are engaging in COINTELPRO-style
attacks on the most effective voices for opening up a real official
investigation into 9/11 should be thoroughly ostracized and ignored, in
my opinion -- not given the time of day. They are working to destroy
effective coalition-building of the kind that is necessary to push 9/11
to the front and center of the American political agenda.
If no-planers want to be taken seriously, they will have to treat other
9/11 skeptics, all across the spectrum, with civility and respect.
Otherwise, they will understandably become the targets of the very same
abuse they are dishing out.

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4.: Press Index Partners With TEMIS and Mondeca

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:53 am (PST)

<http://www.econtentmag.com/Articles/ArticleReader.aspx?ArticleID=16081>

PRESS INDEX, a provider of press clipping technology, has announced it has signed partnerships with TEMIS, a Europe-based Text Mining solutions provider, and Mondeca, a software vendor specializing in knowledge and content organization solutions, to further automate its media watch and content aggregation.

The new platform in place uses a process organized into four steps: Information gathering adapted to the medium monitored (scan, read, audio, video etc.); Knowledge extraction and indexing with TEMIS's Insight Discoverer Extractor, combined with a Competitive Intelligence Skill Cartridge--Insight Discoverer Extractor automatically analyzes texts in 20 languages while Competitive Intelligence Skill Cartridge extracts economic, stock-market and corporate information; Extracted data capitalization in a knowledge base with Mondeca's Intelligent Topic Manager, which uses a mediation layer to synthesize the collected information and display it in multiple forms for users--by company, people, events, dates etc.; and Distribution to clients in multiple custom formats (index navigation; company, product or market summaries; business or financial event tracking in an industry or specific firm).

The platform will very soon go into operation. It is based on the XML standard for data exchange and web-based semantic standards for knowledge representation (RDF, OWL); the solution is readily adaptable to new languages and topics. PRESS INDEX clients will be able to access this new feature through PRESS INDEX's web portal and soon by PDA and phone.

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5.: COINTELPRO Ops in the 9/11 Research Community

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:35 am (PST)

It is my honest impression that if Rosalee Grable isn't a COINTELPRO-style op herself, she has fallen under the control of such an op. She should start asking herself why Gerard Holmgren has consistently tried to turn any disagreements with Israel or the neoconservatives into attacks on "Jews." This guy is playin Grable like a cheap violin, because she has such a deep emotional need to find support for her no-plane theory. She's failing to see the overall pattern here.

Holmgren's posts are all over map, exercises in pseudo-logic, much like the posts of his fellow Aussie militant pro-Israelist, Razl Dazl. They are designed to create maxium self-destructive chaos within the 9/11 research community. To engage with these posts is to further the COINTELPRO op and to distract attention from legitimate 9/11 research. I advise people not to bite. Let this gang stew in its own juices.

The Webfairy <webfairy@thewebfairy.com> wrote:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Why Sean McBride would be laughed out of court.
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:47:33 +1000
From: Gerard Holmgren
To: 'The Webfairy'

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6.: Bloglines - Washington Post Covers L.A. Conference

Posted by: "bill.giltner@gmail.com" bill.giltner@gmail.com bgiltner

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:45 pm (PST)

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erence.html> By George Washington
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<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/25/\
AR2006062501085.html> today:

LOS ANGELES -- About 1,200 people gathered over the weekend for
what organizers billed as the largest conference on the
conspiracy theories that consider the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to
be a result of official negligence or a U.S. attempt to incite
world war.

"There are so many prominent people . . . who have stated that
the evidence is overwhelming that 9/11 was an inside job,"
syndicated radio talk show host Alex Jones said at a news
conference.

Conspiracy theorists are convinced that the U.S. military command
"stood down" on the day of the attacks, that the hijackers were
trained at U.S. military bases and that the World Trade Center
towers collapsed because of a series of controlled explosions set
before they were hit by two hijacked planes. Suggested motives
include expected benefits for U.S. arms and oil conglomerates,
and revolutionary plans for a new world order headed by the
United States.

The theories have been derided by critics as wild and
far-fetched. The official Sept. 11 commission cited government
intelligence lapses in the failure to prevent the attacks by
al-Qaeda that killed nearly 3,000 people. A 10,000-page
investigative report by the National Institute of Standards and
Technology held that jet-fuel fires led to the twin towers'
collapse."

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7.: Co-creators of of FX's "Rescue Me" gets an earful online

Posted by: "better_off_said" better_off_said@yahoo.com better_off_said

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:58 pm (PST)

(While I was searching the latimes.com site for coverage of the 9/11
conference I found this...)

It wasn't the subject matter so much that caught my attention as it
was the medium in which the writers of the FX show, `Rescue Me'
chose to discuss the fallout by its fanbase over a controversial
episode: an Internet message board.

Interesting how the content of Internet message boards is being
taken into consideration more and more, instead of simply being
written off as nonsense, or just plain ignored.

Incidentally, I didn't see the episode in question, so I'm not
qualified to comment on the "rape" issue, which wasn't the reason
behind my post.

----------------------------------------------------------

`Rescue Me' writer fans the inflamed

After FX's firefighter antihero crosses a line, one of its co-
creators gets an earful online.

By Scott Collins, Times Staff Writer
June 26, 2006

Here are a couple of things Peter Tolan, the co-creator of
FX's "Rescue Me," learned the hard way last week:

1. If you have your lead character beat and rape his estranged wife,
don't expect viewers everywhere to welcome the scene as the
culmination of a complicated dramatic arc.

2. Trying to explain yourself on an Internet message board can be
like attempting to lecture on Shakespeare in the middle of a rugby
scrum.

[...]

Two media trends are fueling the fire over "Rescue Me." One has to
do with the evolution of the series drama, the other with the
growing role of the Internet in shaping and amplifying debate over
TV programming.

[...]

The Internet...continues to grow as an outlet for impassioned TV
fans — and series creators like Tolan are, one way or another,
learning to adjust. As the message boards burned with debate
over "Rescue Me" last week, Gemstar-TV Guide announced that it would
buy the popular TV site Jump the Shark, which the company hopes will
give it improved access to die-hard viewers. In the forums at
Television Without Pity — TWOP, to initiates — users analyze plot
points and story arcs with a zealotry that would not be out of place
in a debate over Mideast politics or abortion law.

FULL STORY:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-
channel26jun26,1,5591579.story?coll=la-headlines-
entnews&ctrack=1&cset=true

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8.: Re: 9/11 conspiracy theorists gather at LA conference

Posted by: "better_off_said" better_off_said@yahoo.com better_off_said

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:58 pm (PST)

I couldn't help but notice how this article seems to be absent the
usual cynicism (aside from the "conspiracy theorists" label, if one
takes offense to that). It even felt like it was defending the
reasons behind the movement by citing the August 2004 Zogby opinion
poll. One would be hard pressed to find a similar article printed
here in the States, which didn't mention "Charlie Sheen"
and "conspiracy kook" in the same sentence (he's taken a serious
beating in the press for stating his opinions on 9/11).

Interesting also that I searched latimes.com and couldn't find any
mention of the 9/11 conference. (Unless I missed it, they didn't
cover it.)

Strange and ridiculous – ridiculous that one has to find
out what's happening on the forefront of the 9/11 "Truth Movement"
in the States on "Yahoo Asia." (Perfect example of American media
censorship, wouldn't you say?)

... just one of the major roadblocks "truthseekers" find
themselves up against, no doubt, when attempting to bring the
movement mainstream.

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride
<smcbride2@...> wrote:
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9.: Re: The "No Plane" Theory

Posted by: "Neo Mulder" neomulder1@yahoo.com neomulder1

Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:27 pm (PST)

Re: The "No Plane" Theory [catapult][GMLH]

True. I think you seem very respectful and reserved. For the hardcore you may seem soft on pushing for full disclosure but I think it is an engagement style and an approach to personality's and evidence. It is good to have solid proof for everything in this strange time so that we may be taken seriously.

I find everything you say to be thoughtful and nuanced. The issues are sensitive so some are bound to become irritated.

I feel you are almost totally correct about the research.

There are sometimes when the previous history of a researcher may tint the bias one may have toward the person and information.

The theory's should be presented as dispassionately as possible toward the facts as truths may be self evident.

Some people are out to deceive everyone involved. Knowing their bad reputation could save us time. Manipulation under taday's circumstance's is a crime against freedom.

Of course the secrecy groups and there thoughts about spirituality are all important in knowing the truth but it is not best to push this information an the Masses. To be free to give or absorb this info is important to the type of society we want to preserve.

--- In apfn-1@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <smcbride2@...> wrote:
>
> I've probably known Webfairy longer than you have, and I have protected her ability to express her views when others were ganging up on her and trying to destroy her.
>
> I've always been in favor in pursuing all information, evidence, leads and theories concerning 9/11, including the no-planes theory. I myself, after reviewing all the evidence to date, have no firm views about what really happened on 9/11, other than the strong impression that it was an inside job and a false flag op. I think there is a very strong probability that WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition -- I have thought that from the first moment I saw it fall. It also seems obvious to me that elements in the Bush administration deliberately blocked investigations into the hijackers before 9/11.
>
> My problem with the no-planes group is that certain members of it, especially Gerard Holmgren from Rupert Murdoch's, John Howard's and Razl Dazl's lovely land of Australia, have been viciously attacking anyone who won't adopt their particular pet theory on 9/11. I think this behavior is destructive for the 9/11 truth movement as a whole and should be strongly discouraged. Differences of opinion among 9/11 researchers should be respected and encouraged.
>
> Harping on one theory or another will do little to break the current official stonewall and mainstream media blackout on 9/11. What is required is a critical mass of Americans to force the truth out of the government about what really happened. Attacking the leading 9/11 researchers is hardly going to achieve that result.
>
> Anyone who is willing to question any aspect of the official story on 9/11 should be encouraged in their efforts. At some point, perhaps critical mass can be achieved and we will all discover what really happened on 9/11, straight from the folks who masterminded it.
>
>
> Neo Mulder <neomulder1@...> wrote:
> Re: [catapult] The "No Plane" Theory
>
>
>
>
> It makes little sense to think that all no planers are only a distraction.
> It makes just as much sense to think that Webbys "handlers" would let you call her a tool on her own list. I think it is a form of respect to have Gerald address your issues directly.
>
>
> Patience runs thin as our time for freedom and life grows short.
> You must believe in what you say just as she does.
>
>
> Here in New York Thousands of people Saw something in the Sky's that day. Trillions were riding on the outcome of the operation and its media show images. What most people saw did not conform to the official fiction. Missiles needed to be hidden and covered up as well as the entire controlled demolition.
>
>
> So you feel that honest researchers should be lumped with the fake ones. Vice versa for those who ignore proof of media Felice and state terror. Webfairy has short patience for those who just do not care to check incredible conventional wisdom accepted as fact, though she gets continuous guff here on this list.
>
>
> Everyone here but the trolls wants to find more info and share. We cant trust the news and may not trust everyone sharing here but we should all do what we Can to keep free because slavery is a real possibility and petty differences do not matter.
>
>
>
> I have never seen webfairy say there were Holograms. The issue of thousands seeing the crash (I Know hundreds probably)does not need an immediate answer. Video was faked. Planes were replaced. Bombs were used. Media was the terror. We got taxed, enslaved and set up for the fall. If you do not know a persons soul better then W when looking into their eyes (difficult to do on the Internet) then there is no need to over characterize. Just do for yourself and learn and share as you can. Enjoy the breakthroughs that we have and let everyone learn what you have.
>
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> Peace to all
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> --- In catapultthepropaganda@yahoogroups.com, wonach <peki_esp@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the enlightment. :<}

> >
> > "J. Austin" <dogbonz@> wrote: Hi Wonach and Others,
> >

> > I'm hoping you are not falling for the bullshit Webfairy
> > pumps out about "no planes" hit the WTC.

> >
> > I've gone around the block with her and Gerard Holmgren,
> > (whom she calls in when she needs help.)
> >
> > Their theory is that a "fleet of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles" hit
> > the WTC Towers. Or maybe it was "Holographic images";
> > you see they can't quite make up their minds.

> >
> > Their "evidence" is obtained by expanding the pixels from
> > already distant videos. You blow up the picture, and shure
> > 'nuff, the planes "magically disappear". They further claim that
> > ALL news footage was changed "on the fly" to make it look
> > like REAL planes hit the towers. Everybody from the Naudet
> > Brothers to CNN was involved. Every single Media was involved,
> > according to them. I imagine the payoffs were probably a real
> > nightmare to accomplish so secretly.

> >
> > But the problem with that whole line of bullshit is, what about
> > the sounds ? Any video that was close enough had sounds, each
> > slightly different because of distance and the echoes of the building.
> > Matching those sounds is a separate process than video.

> >
> > And the other problem with their BS, is that there are a LOT of
> > videos available from private parties - and they ALL show REAL
> > planes hitting REAL buildings, from every angle you can imagine.

> >
> > If they are correct, every video from EVERY source was Photo-
> > shopped to match their theory. That would involve tracking down
> > hundreds of unknown people that had a camera or other recording
> > device in a very large area. Paying them to "borrow" their video, and
> > then slipping them back into circulation ever so quietly... be vewy, vewy
> > quiet....

> >
> > The "no plane theory" is a not so carefully crafted DISTRACTION.
> > At it's top is one or two who know that, and must be laughing very
> > hard at how many people are actually buying it.

> >
> > I daresay I'll be getting a post from Gerard Holmgren. Which I plan
> > to promptly ignore. We've been there and done that G.H. Try a new
> > plan.
> >
> > -John Austin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.myspace.com/wonach my own opinion in my space. Since we can't find it within the media, the blog is a super-idea. :<} Listening to c-span call-ins as well, I hear things and translate in my own words, my thoughts on the subject.
> >
> > ********
> > When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. By Thomas Jefferson
> >
> >
> > ******
> > http://flbob.com/default.aspx Try Bob's professionalism!
> >
> >
> >
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10a.: Fwd: [planehuggers] nick berg's father on larry king tonight

Posted by: "Bill Giltner" bill.giltner@gmail.com bgiltner

Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:27 pm (PST)

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From: Total Information <totalinfo@gmail.com>
Date: Jun 8, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: [planehuggers] nick berg's father on larry king tonight
To: planehuggers@yahoogroups.com

nick berg's father is now saying he thinks the beheading video was
bogus. he's schedukled to be on CNN's Larry King Live tonight, could be
interesting

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10b.: Re: Fwd: [planehuggers] nick berg's father on larry king tonight

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:35 pm (PST)

It is safe to say that everything connected with 9/11, the Iraq War and the GWOT (Global War on Terror) is absolutely 100% bogus. The entire package is a neocon op which reeks of bogosity from top to bottom, front to back. Every thread one picks up in this op leads back to the heart of a steaming pile of bogosity.

Bill Giltner <bill.giltner@gmail.com> wrote:

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Subject: [planehuggers] nick berg's father on larry king tonight
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nick berg's father is now saying he thinks the beheading video was bogus. he's schedukled to be on CNN's Larry King Live tonight, could be interesting

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11.: [Fwd: [911InsideJobbers] Is It Safe?]

Posted by: "The Webfairy" webfairy@thewebfairy.com the_webfairy

Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:27 pm (PST)

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Subject: [911InsideJobbers] Is It Safe?
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:25:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Thomas Potter <mr_thomas_potter@yahoo.com>

Is it safe?

Have you ever gone to a dentist before? Of course you
have. (Unless you're British!) And that's why the
torture scene in "Marathon Man" is arguably the most
famous of all mainstream torture scenes.

Anyone who has gone to a dentist before can relate to
the fear and excruciating pain that Babe (Dustin
Hoffman) experiences when he is asked, "Is it safe?"
and has no idea what his interrogator is talking
about, then finds himself being given a root canal
without any Novocain.

The interrogator is Szell (Laurence Olivier), a
dreaded German murderer who carried out awful deeds
during World War II and offered Jews a free ticket
out--for a hefty price.

Szell's question ("Is it safe?") exists because he
needs to know whether or not it is safe to withdraw
diamonds he stole from Jews during World War II from a
safety deposit box. As the film opens, Szell's brother
dies in a car crash, which sets up this entire aspect
of the plot, since his brother had the key to the
vault.

Babe's brother, Doc (Roy Scheider, "JAWS"), comes to
visit him in New York City, but turns up at his
apartment with stab wounds. Babe soon finds out that
Doc was part of a secret "Division" (CIA black-ops
stuff) that was on Svell's trail. Believing that Doc
may have spilled the beans to Babe, Svell kidnaps the
college graduate and this is where the famous torture
scene starts. "Is it safe? Is it safe?
Is...it...safe...?"

Knowing that 9/11 was a US military shock and awe
program and not a terrorist event,

http://nineeleven2001.tripod.com/images/ua175-1-a.swf

the following news reports still give me concern about
our safety and who the real terrorists may be. Who are
Tamir D. Sason, and Daniel Levy and how do they relate
to post 9/11 events?

http://www.news4jax.com/news4georgia/3344771/detail.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20040723012510/http://www.wcyb.tv/newsread.asp?newsid=4381

You may be asking yourself who Samuel Dahan is. He is
the son of the Likud Party spokesperson Shmuel Dahan.
Another important bit of information left out of this
news report is that they were busted near the Nuclear
Fuel Services plant in Erwin,Tennessee.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020316223600/www.nuclearfuelservices.com/SpecialtyFuel_More.htm

The following shows the passengers aboard the four
flights who we were told made telephone calls on
9/11/01. Only one death was reported to the Social
Security Death Index. And none of the caller’s
families applied to the September 11th Victim
Compensation Fund of 2001. Maybe the callers should
not have wasted airtime on their family.

Caller/Death Reported to SSDI /Application to
September 11thVictim Compensation Fund of 2001

Flight 11
Betty Ong NO/NO

Madeline Sweeney NO/NO

Flight 77
Barbara Olson NO/NO

http://www.geocities.com/subliminalsuggestion/olson.html

Flight 175
Peter Burton Hanson NO/NO

Flight 93
Todd Beamer NO/NO

Thomas E. Burnett Jr. NO/NO

Mark Bingham NO/NO

Jeremy Glick NO/NO

Linda Gronlund NO/NO

Joseph F DeLuca* YES/NO

Marion Britton NO/NO

Sandy Bradshaw NO/NO

Edward Felt NO/NO

Honor Wainio NO/NO

CeeCee Lyles NO/NO

Sandra Bradshaw NO/NO

* Linda Gronlund was flying to San Francisco aboard
United Flight 93 with her boyfriend, Joseph F DeLuca.
Linda was a sailor, a scuba diver, A BROWN BELT IN
KARATE, a lawyer, a car mechanic, a ardener, a
photographer, a gourmet cook, a guitarist, an
emergency medical technician and a volunteer with
autistic children. Why wasn't Wonder Woman using her
skills to help stop those mean nasty Arabs?

"Joseph Deluca called his dad. His girlfriend, Linda
Gronlund,called her sister, telling her THE
COMBINATION TO HER SAFE DEPOSIT BOX and how much she
loved her." page 206 of "Let's Roll: Ordinary People,
Extraordinary Courage" by Lisa Beamer

Another book quotes Linda's call to her sister as, "I
want to let you know how much I love you; please tell
Mom and Dad", Linda said."I don't know if I'll be able
to tell you again IN PERSON how much I love you. I
hope I will. I'M REALLY GOING TO MISS YOU." page 161
of "Among the Heroes: United Flight 93 and the
Passengers and Crew Who Fought Back" by Jere Longman.

Does this sound like a woman who is about to die? Or
does this sound like a lawyer who has to go away for a
long time and take a new identity?

The Cleveland Airport Mystery may help explain.

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=323

http://web.archive.org/web/20021109040132/http://wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html

http://911digitalarchive.org/objects/3.pdf

http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

http://thewebfairy.com/911/nicknack/

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12.: Foundations of Statistical NLP

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:33 pm (PST)

<http://glinden.blogspot.com/2006/06/foundations-of-statistical-nlp.html>

Foundations of Statistical NLP

Every once and a while, I come across a book so good that I feel foolish for not reading it sooner.

"Foundations of Statistical Natural Language Processing" by Chris Manning and Hinrich Schutze is a remarkable survey, not only in breadth, but also in its deep, critical analysis of each technique's strength and weaknesses.

I was particularly excited by the focus on practical approaches with massive data sets.

For example, when discussing clustering, the authors warn of efficiency issues with hierarchical clustering or EM algorithms and say that K-means "should probably be used first ... because its results are often sufficient."

On text categorization, they talk about other techniques, but then point out that k nearest neighbor (kNN) is a "simple method that often performs well."

When discussing latent semantic indexing (LSI) and other forms of dimensionality reduction, they mention that pseudo feedback -- query expansion by adding terms from the top results for a search for the original query -- can be cheaper and more effective, depending on your needs.

They criticize hidden Markov models (HMMs) because of the large state spaces required to model many real-world problems, but discuss variants that try to mitigate this issue. They then follow up when talking about part-of-speech tagging by offering transformational (rule-based) approaches as a fast and effective alternative to HMMs.

The book also is full of examples of the ambiguity of language, especially in the sections on disambiguation, parsing, and machine translation. The authors tease you with what looks like a problem with a simple solution, then offer examples that tear apart your naive attempts at cleverness.

Though they focus on very large data sets, Manning and Schutze do not see massive data as the entire solution. At one point, when talking about N-gram models, they say:

One might hope that by collecting much more data that the problem of data sparseness would simply go away ... In practice it is never a general solution to the problem. While there are a limited number of frequent events in language, there is a seemingly never ending tail to the probability distribution of rarer and rarer events, and we can never collect enough data to get to the end of the tail.

Despite the huge amount of text out there, not everything that can be said already has been said.

A great book. I only regret that I took so long to read it.

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13a.: Bush: Climate change is 'serious problem'

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:44 pm (PST)

<http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/26/060626184958.a9erm3mw.html>

Comment: For once, I find myself in near complete agreement with George W. Bush. I still have a few questions about the nuclear power option.

Article:

US President George W. Bush said it was time to move past a debate over whether human activity is a significant factor behind global warming and into a discussion of possible remedies.

"I have said consistently that global warming is a serious problem. There's a debate over whether it's manmade or naturally caused," Bush told reporters.

"We ought to get beyond that debate and start implementing the technologies necessary to enable us to achieve a couple of big objectives: One, be good stewards of the environment; two, become less dependent on foreign sources of oil, for economic reasons as for national security reasons," he said.

Bush cited "clean-coal technology," efforts to develop automobiles powered by hydrogen or ethanol, and his push for the United States to develop significant new nuclear energy capabilities.

"The truth of the matter is, if this country wants to get rid of its greenhouse gases, we've got to have the nuclear power industry be vibrant and viable," he said.

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13b.: Re: Bush: Climate change is 'serious problem'

Posted by: "LeaNder" l.l.hahn@web.de l_l_hahn

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:02 am (PST)

--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride
<smcbride2@...> wrote:
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> <http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/26/060626184958.a9erm3mw.html>
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> Comment: For once, I find myself in near complete agreement with
George W. Bush. I still have a few questions about the nuclear power
option.
>
> Article:
....
> "The truth of the matter is, if this country wants to get rid of its
greenhouse gases, we've got to have the nuclear power industry be
vibrant and viable," he said.

Something along these lines caught my attention lately. [obviously
with the Iranian threat and the not quite so easy to penetrate fog
surrounding its supposed weapon vs domestic energy use. What about
the earthquake danger scale in Iran? or other places]

It was in the economics section concerning uranium. There are only
very few competitors in that trade it seems; and you can't buy any
shares. The use of nuclear power seems clearly on the rise. The
authors interest was since you can't invest in uranium, on what
related technologies necessary for the production could you or should
you invest.

Let's see:

Investing in Uranium:
3 Factors That Favor a Continuing
Uranium Stock Bull Market
http://www.investmentu.net/ppc/t3uranium.cfm?kw=X300G533

http://www.uxc.com/products/rpt_u3o8.html

Or choose your own:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=uranium+market&btnG=Google+Search

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14a.: Mike Malloy Gives the Daily Kos a Dissertation on Free Speech

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:16 pm (PST)

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/konformist/message/4911?l=1>

Comment:

On the censoring of free inquiry and free speech about 9/11 in the "alternative" (fake opposition) media. These are the same "alternative" (fake opposition) media which have censored all free inquiry and free speech about the Israel lobby. Same censors, same agenda, same shell game.

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14b.: Re: Mike Malloy Gives the Daily Kos a Dissertation on Free Speech

Posted by: "LeaNder" l.l.hahn@web.de l_l_hahn

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:05 am (PST)

OK source: http://www.gnn.tv/B16181

But how (based on what rules) and why is this adult content?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=You%27ve+reached+an+Age-Restricted+Area+of+Yahoo%21+Groups&btnG=Google+Search

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> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/konformist/message/4911?l=1>
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> Comment:
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> On the censoring of free inquiry and free speech about 9/11 in the
"alternative" (fake opposition) media. These are the same
"alternative" (fake opposition) media which have censored all free
inquiry and free speech about the Israel lobby. Same censors, same
agenda, same shell game.
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15.: World's oceans reaching point of no return, says UN

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:18 pm (PST)

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/konformist/message/4910?l=1>

World News | Times Online | June 16, 2006
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2229211,00.html

The UN has warned the world's governments that humankind's
exploitation of the sea could be passing the point of no return.

A report by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) found
that more than half of the world's fish stocks are being exploited to
their full extent, with nearly a quarter suffering from over-fishing.

Meanwhile, pollution, litter and deep sea drilling are all reaching
into the depths of a marine environment hitherto preserved from the
hand of man.

In the Central Pacific, the study found, there is now up to 6lb of
marine litter to every 1lb of plankton. Elsewhere, there are around
46,000 pieces of plastic litter for every square mile of the world's
oceans.

Achim Steiner, UNEP's new executive director, said that particular
attention must be paid to the 60 per cent of the world's oceans that
are beyond the reach of national jurisdictions and conservation
efforts, where modern technology and a lack of regulation is
combining to harm the environment.

"Humankind's ability to exploit the deep oceans and high seas has
accelerated rapidly over recent years," he said.

"It is a pace of change that has outstripped our institutions and
conservation efforts whose primary focus have been coastal waters
where, until recently, most human activity like fishing and
industrial exploration took place. We now most urgently need to look
beyond the horizon and bring the lessons learnt in coastal water to
the wider marine world."

According to the report, just 1 per cent of the world's 3.5 million
fishing boats are thought to be large, industrial vessels, but the
giant loads they trawl from the deep sea account for around 60 per
cent of all the fish caught on the planet.

Industrial fishing has helped to drive down the world's stocks of
tuna, cod, swordfish and marlin by as much as 90 per cent in the last
century.

Adding to the strain on the oceans, the UN estimated that nearly $10
billion of fish are caught illegally each year, up to 30 per cent of
which is taken from unregulated waters.

Illegal longline fishing also kills more than 300,000 seabirds every
year, including 100,000 albatrosses. Nineteen out 21 albatross
species are now threatened with extinction.

The report also described a range of activities, including energy
development and scientific research such as "bioprospecting" - the
collection of biological artefacts for new products - that encroach
on waters up to 2,000m below the ocean surface.

"Throughout the oceans, shipping, military operations and seismic
exploration have intensified with growing impacts on deep water and
high sea ecosystems and biodiversity," said Kristina Gjerde, a UN
High Seas Policy Advisor who wrote the report.

"The spectre of climate change and its impacts such as ocean warming
and acidification underscore the need to reduce direct human impacts,
because healthy ecosystems are better able to respond to changing
oceanic conditions."

Reacting to the report, Tim Yeo, the Conservative MP who is chairing
a study of the Government's plans for a Marine Bill, said that
Britain should take the lead in devising a new regulatory framework
for the world's open waters.

"For generations we have regarded the sea as a resource we can all
deplete at will. Those chickens are now coming home to roost," he
said.

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16.: The 30 Greatest Science Books

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:18 pm (PST)

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/konformist/message/4916?l=1>

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17a.: Classic Movies on Google Video

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:15 pm (PST)

<http://google.blognewschannel.com/index.php/archives/2006/06/26/classic-movies-on-google-video/>

Comment: Every movie, TV show, musical recording, book and article in existence should be available on Google within the next few years.

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17b.: Re: Classic Movies on Google Video

Posted by: "Bond" Bondj4007@yahoo.com.au

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:04 am (PST)

On a related issue, it's yet to be determined what will develop re ISP policies toward bandwidth usage -- a factor which is central to "we the viewers".

For example, unlike in the US, here in Australia we have monthly download quotas imposed - even on so-called "Unlimited" contracts. My ISP is our largest broadband (both fibre-optic and DSL) service, and there are several tiers each priced accordingly.

I have a middle tier contract which costs approx $45 (US dollars)/month, and that buys only 36GB. Should you hit the quota then your connection speed is throttled down to dial-up rate for the remainder of the month (so it's "unlimited" access, but not unlimited in terms of the speed of the access!).

Recently I noted that BT in the UK have threatened to impose 50GB quotas due to what they consider overly high downloading, and so one wonders whether it's just a matter of time until American ISPs follow suit?

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Comment: Every movie, TV show, musical recording, book and article in existence should be available on Google within the next few years.

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17c.: Re: Classic Movies on Google Video

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:56 am (PST)

The cost of moving huge amounts of data (terabytes and larger) should drop drastically in coming years and the speed should drastically increase. Predatory oligarchs, of course, will dishonestly and greedily try to manipulate, distort and milk the system for all it's worth. Let's hope they are not too successful.

What concerns me is that organized crime essentially controls the media industry, especially the recording and movie industries. If they continue to acquire more power in the Internet and telecommunications industries they will artificially jack up prices using every dirty trick in the book. These characters hate everything the Internet stands for. They intend to take it over and destroy it, turn it into an obedient extension of Time Warner and News Corp.

Bond <Bondj4007@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On a related issue, it's yet to be determined what will develop re ISP policies toward bandwidth usage -- a factor which is central to "we the viewers".

For example, unlike in the US, here in Australia we have monthly download quotas imposed - even on so-called "Unlimited" contracts. My ISP is our largest broadband (both fibre-optic and DSL) service, and there are several tiers each priced accordingly.

I have a middle tier contract which costs approx $45 (US dollars)/month, and that buys only 36GB. Should you hit the quota then your connection speed is throttled down to dial-up rate for the remainder of the month (so it's "unlimited" access, but not unlimited in terms of the speed of the access!).

Recently I noted that BT in the UK have threatened to impose 50GB quotas due to what they consider overly high downloading, and so one wonders whether it's just a matter of time until American ISPs follow suit?

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18.: American Scholars Symposium A Huge Success

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:32 pm (PST)

<http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/260606hugesuccess.htm>

Attendees from around the globe attest to 'best 9/11 truth conference ever'

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 26 2006

Over 1200 attendees from as far field as Japan, Great Britain and Australia converged on the Sheraton Hotel in Los Angeles to enjoy a conference that they later described as the best 9/11 truth symposium ever, the highlight of which was a personal appearance and speech by Hollywood star and 9/11 truth crusader Charlie Sheen.

People from as far away as Japan and Australia made the long-haul trip to L.A. to view slick presentations from numerous high profile speakers. Media organizations from Great Britain and Australia were also represented as well as over 100 alternative press outlets.

BYU physics professor Steven Jones' authoritative lecture on the use of incendiary devices in the demolition of the trade towers and building 7 went further than ever before in its conclusive tone on the issue. Jones has now tested steel samples from two different sites that both clearly show the use of thermate as a tool of implosion and the analysis has been verified by two other universities.

Lt. Col. Robert M. Bowman, the former head of the Star Wars weapons defense system and Ph.D. in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Cal Tech, also gave a powerful presentation on the NORAD 9/11 stand down which was extremely well received.

The highlight for many was the surprise personal appearance of Hollywood star, current TV hit and recent shining addition to the ranks of noted 9/11 whistleblowers Charlie Sheen, who received a rapturous ovation before his speech on the courage of those who went before him in standing up to an unpalatable truth in the name of freedom.

The overall sentiment after the conclusion of the conference was that it was the most powerful, informative and progressive 9/11 symposium to date.

The conference was a declaration of independence and a warning to the watching media that major western governments are planning more acts of false flag terrorism in order to justify new wars and geopolitical domination of the globe as well as a domestic police state.

Reflecting a positive trend embraced by an earlier New York Times article, a Reuters report on the conference mainly sticks to the facts and avoids the scoffing, sneering tone of similar reports about 9/11 events we have seen over the last few years.

The Reuters article has mainly been picked up by foreign news outlets. From previous experience we know that newswire gatekeepers, ostensibly operating out of London, selectively sideline sensitive stories and order them not to receive substantive nationwide attention.

The Reuters piece has not been picked up by any US or European news outlet thus far.

Publications such as Turkey's Zaman Online, South Africa's Independent Online, Qatar's Gulf News as well as Al Jazeera and Iran's Tehran Times all carried different versions of the original Reuters piece.

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19.: US has duty to lead on global warming

Posted by: "Sean McBride" smcbride2@yahoo.com smcbride2

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:37 am (PST)

<http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L26765374.htm>

Excerpt:

LONDON, June 26 (Reuters) - The United States -- the world's richest and most polluting nation -- has a moral duty to take the lead in tackling catastrophic global warming instead of denying it is happening, a leading scientist said on Monday.

Addressing a meeting of international climate scientists and policymakers, John Houghton, a former senior member of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said urgent action was imperative.

"If only the U.S. administration could flip from denial to acceptance it could save the world," he said. "If the Americans continue to do nothing then we have a big problem -- therefore they must do something."

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