Discussion about 09/11/2001: [911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 389

Tuesday, February 21, 2006

[911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 389

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Author going under Pen Name WERTHER = Limited Hangout Artist
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
2. New 9/11-PR press release picked up by google news
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
3. First Reports from Greg Nixon protest
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
4. Greg Nixon, hero
From: "nyc911eyewitness" <onlinetv@yahoo.com>
5. UPDATES: Greg Nixon protest
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
6. SV: UPDATES: Greg Nixon protest
From: Peter Kofod <slashkofod@yahoo.dk>
7. UPDATES (3): Greg Nixon protest
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
8. The 911 activists are waiting to join forces with Cindy's activists
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
9. Re: UPDATES (3): Greg Nixon protest
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
10. 911Scholars removed Ben Pritchard as member
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
11. Re: 911Scholars removed Ben Pritchard as member
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
12. An eye witness to "175"
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
13. Re: Re: 911Scholars removed Ben Pritchard as member
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
14. Re: Re: 911Scholars removed Ben Pritchard as member
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
15. I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth so help me.
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
16. Re: I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth so help me.
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
17. [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
18. Paul Krugman
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
19. [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
20. Re: Paul Krugman
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
21. Re: [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
22. Re: [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
23. 2/20 NYC
From: "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
24. Scholars for 911truth- False Hope Project?
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
25. FW: [frameup] STEP UP to the PLATE
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:43:31 -0600
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Author going under Pen Name WERTHER = Limited Hangout Artist

Based on a small sample of work, this guy looks deceptive:
http://www.counterpunch.org/werther02182006.html

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:36:45 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: New 9/11-PR press release picked up by google news

f.y.i.

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2006/2/emw348811.htm
Readers' Tastes on 9/11 Take Radical Turn -- Best-seller Now Webster
Tarpley's '9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA'
February 20, 2006

Alternative views on US government role evolve from "let it happen on
purpose" to "inside job from start to finish."

Washington, DC (PRWEB) February 20, 2006 -- For skeptics of the official
story of 9/11, the taboo of 2002 has become the cornerstone of 2006: they
now believe the Twin Towers and building WTC 7 did not collapse from fire,
but were demolished by explosives -- an act that could only be carried out
from inside the US power structure.

"Against the weight of physical evidence, half-way positions finally have
nothing to support them, just like the free-fall collapse of building
WTC-7," says John Leonard, who publishes several books on 9/11 under the
Progressive Press imprint.

The latest is Webster Griffin Tarpley's "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA"
(2nd edition, January 2006), and it lives up to its uncompromising title.
"The demolition of the three towers is the end station with other 9/11
critiques," Leonard comments. "For Tarpley it is only Exhibit A in his case
against the terror oligarchs." The real meat is his model of
"state-sponsored false-flag terrorism" -- a rogue network of moles, patsies,
professional killers, a private paramilitary headquarters, and controlled
corporate media.

Terror and covert operations are logical necessities, Tarpley says, in order
to uphold any regime that serves the interests of the few in the guise of
mass democracy. Activist as well as author, he is recently warning that the
planned attack on Iran is not due to any nuclear program, but to Iran's
planned oil bourse, which could knock out the underpinnings of the
deficit-stretched US dollar. Tarpley is on talk radio at least once a week,
with a smooth, erudite delivery that lends credibility to his radical
findings.

There is a market for the mix. So far this year, the Amazon sales rank for
"9/11 Synthetic Terror" has led all other 9/11 exposés, vying with the
official report of the 9/11 Commission for first place. A recent ranking:

1,354 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, by Webster G Tarpley
1,851 The 9/11 Commission Report, by US Government
2,358 Crossing the Rubicon, by Mike Ruppert
3,477 The New Pearl Harbor, by David Ray Griffin
6,761 The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, by David Ray
Griffin
11,156 Inside Job, by Jim Marrs ....

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:28:32 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: First Reports from Greg Nixon protest

...i just had to leave from Ground Zero, because sadly i have to work today
at my office: (
I was there since 9 AM. Currently there are 40-50 people, some of them of
Colorado, California, New Jersey, and Philadelphia (!!)
Some of them heard about the protest on Rick Siegel's messageboard.

2 press teams are interviewing Greg right now, one from Netherlands.
Few supporters from ny911truth.org arrived, i also saw some some from the no
police state group, Rob from 911inside jobbers, Craig Hill, Sander Hicks and
some other familiar NY faces...

I will call Greg later to maybe get an updated report. I hope, a friend of
mine will show up with his videocam to document the event...

my props to Greg. He did the best he can. 100 people would be a success, but
it's a shame, how less support he was confronted with so far....

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:07:23 -0000
From: "nyc911eyewitness" <onlinetv@yahoo.com>
Subject: Greg Nixon, hero

I am trying to get through all your posts, and thank you very much
for the opportunity to read so much information.

Since in a few hours Greg will be doing something I would wish to be
there for and help instigate, I want to comment about that.

I don't know what you think fascism or a police state (basically
martial law) is anymore. Like myopic mental midgets, Americans seem
to have taken the words "Liberty and Freedom" and swapped them
with "slavery and fascism' without notice. Through the calculated
ruse of fear and loathing the powers have taken our country, caused
fear to be broadcast on every owned network and hatred to replace
brotherhood in its' subjects (you may read subject=citizen=slave).

If you think for a minute that the government will clean house
without a popular uprising, you are going to be slaves a lot longer
than you expect. It took 50 years to disclose the Pearl Harbor hoax.
It is about 5 now for 911. It is too long; nothing is going to
happen unless someone makes it happen.

Greg Nixon a hero. If I was there in that fascist corporate state
known as the United States right now, I would be they're doing the
same. In a few hours he will be out there not on Sunday in a closed
off corner of Manhattan where no one will see, he is on a Monday
morning when all are in and available, right in their faces. He will
try to make citizens arrests, something that should have been done a
long time ago. Damn brave man.

Greg is doing what I wish to do. It is nice to do research and dig
deeper. Find out more. But the fact is, there is a huge problem and
nothing is being done about it. 911 had bombs in the buildings! They
were demolitions, not structural failures. We all know this. Yet we
go on and on, finding more, defining, refining, and growing the
theme. Yet, in the end, that is what THEY would want, after 5 years,
nothing else is done.

Greg has taken the path we all must take. The only fear is fear
itself. My good people, you are under a police state, you are
searched without probable cause, you are arrested without warrant,
you are scanned, probed and listened too in everything you do by
criminals in government that do it with slight of hand in the law,
far from the Constitution.

Waiting for someone to "declare" martial law before you act? Already
done in the 30's and never rescinded. Actually, what you think is
the united states of America under the Constitution ended in the
1860's and what we now call the United States was the Union (who did
to the Confederate States what it did to Hawaii and now to Iraq) The
real united states of America has never come back. For those who
fear for martial law and are holding back from action, then
ignorance is yours, not freedom. You are in a fascist police state
already. More than 10 percent of the adult population is already in
prison (over 2,000,000 served at present) and Wackenhut is just
waiting for more.

It might be nice if Greg wore a nice suit to serve citizens
warrants. Whatever he wears, I hope he serves notice that Americans
are now tired of being ignored and will take action. I hope Greg
reflects more of America than what I have seen in those that want
him to set aside the final agenda for more research.

How many of you really think that justice will be done within the
corruption we call "politics in the USA"? Do you believe that there
will ever be an investigation much less trials or justice without
actions?

Well, looks like a couple hours for it now. I really wish I were
there with him. I hope any of you nearby will be there with him, and
those that are not, will encourage bravery in the face of oppression
and action where others fail.

BEST TO YOU GREG! YOU GO!

Rick Siegel (911 Eyewitness) We encourage courage.

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:17:10 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: UPDATES: Greg Nixon protest

...new phone update from Greg.

The crowd did not rise more than between 30-40 people, but they're now
yelling outside Amy Goodman's office (democracynow). I'm getting the info,
that she might have caved in and let (some of) them in, to allow an
interview.
A while ago Greg said, that some cops followed the crowd.

I will try to keep you posted, which might not be easy here at the office
:-)....

>>>
...i just had to leave from Ground Zero, because sadly i have to work today
at my office: (
I was there since 9 AM. Currently there are 40-50 people, some of them of
Colorado, California, New Jersey, and Philadelphia (!!)
Some of them heard about the protest on Rick Siegel's messageboard.

I will call Greg later to maybe get an updated report. I hope, a friend of
mine will show up with his videocam to document the event...

my props to Greg. He did the best he can. 100 people would be a success, but
it's a shame, how less support he was confronted with so far....

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:43:03 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Kofod <slashkofod@yahoo.dk>
Subject: SV: UPDATES: Greg Nixon protest

apart from the size of the crowd, it sounds wonderful! Thumbs up to Greg for his efforts!

Peter Kofod, Denmark

Nico Haupt <nicohaupt@gmx.li> skrev:
...new phone update from Greg.

I will try to keep you posted, which might not be easy here at the office
:-)....

I will call Greg later to maybe get an updated report. I hope, a friend of
mine will show up with his videocam to document the event...

my props to Greg. He did the best he can. 100 people would be a success, but
it's a shame, how less support he was confronted with so far....

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:08:47 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: UPDATES (3): Greg Nixon protest

UPDATE:
Amy Goodman apparently did not respond to the protest crowd and hang out on
them, while speaker phone was up. The crowd yelled "war criminals".

The protest march is now in front of Guliani's office, where they also try
to get in. Some cops plus security outside try to block this effort.
I'm sure Greg will later improve or correct some details.
It was very loud on the phone and i couldn't understand everything what he
said.

However the group seemed to be very motivated and i heard them very loud
yelling...

>>>
...new phone update from Greg.

I will try to keep you posted, which might not be easy here at the office
:-)....

I will call Greg later to maybe get an updated report. I hope, a friend of
mine will show up with his videocam to document the event...

my props to Greg. He did the best he can. 100 people would be a success, but
it's a shame, how less support he was confronted with so far....

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:16:00 EST
From: Mofmars3@wmconnect.com
Subject: The 911 activists are waiting to join forces with Cindy's activists

Some believe Cindy Sheehan is being bought off because of her not helping
reveal the truth behind the 911 atrocity & tragedy

I have two email addresses for her but neither one is active...Can anyone
send me her current, please?...Or send her this post along with my email address
visible so she can contact me

I think she just doesn't know all the details yet and may be in denial...At
least I hope that's the case

It is something of unbelievably incredible proportion, too bizarre for the
average person to even imagine

Especially if you've no background in all the research it takes to be on top
of even a fraction of what's goin on

I bet on her and all the antiwar people joining efforts and kicking
butt...Along with all the other activists involved with the many other important issues
& matters to our people everywhere

Final press release and message

>>>Sent to all media & major newspapers>>>"War Crimes" and "Media Cover-Up of
9/11"

Please do some last minute forwarding of this most urgent press release, even
though this historical event may have taken place, already

Make some phone calls and send some messages to your elected officials and
tell them where you stand.

They should be very afraid...There won't be many of them left standing, if
they don't help "US" by making the correct moves, fast

The future and very lives of our children count on you getting through to
them.

For the Senate:www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

For the House:www.house.gov/writerep/

Or

Click here: Congress.org & All media & newspapers, magazines, etc
http://tinyurl.com/9lbtg

Press Release:

"We The People" demand truth in media.

We demand the present corrupt administration resign.

We demand our entire government and broken system be revamped.

We want DC downsized.

We mean to keep our rights and we want the government and elected officials
to know they are "our" employees.

We will begin with exposing the truth behind the 911 tragedy.

Marsha McClelland
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
XXX XXX-XXXX

"We The People United Movement"
We are many Political and Patriot Groups joining together, to help right the
wrongs in America..."United We Will Stand"

"War Crimes" and "Media Cover-Up of 9/11"

Presidents' Day "March for 9/11 Truth," NYC Ground Zero, 10 a.m. Monday,
2/20/06

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/2/prweb348151.htm&cid=1104412143

A must see>>>wingtv.net interview with Greg Nixon, founder of the
President's Day March>>>See Friday, Feb. 17th. show

Alternate link for Wing TV...The alternative to main stream media>>><A HREF="http://thewebfairy.com/hardtruth/gregnixon02-20.mp3">
http://thewebfairy.com/hardtruth/gregnixon02-20.mp3</A>
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"We The People United Movement"
Sign up post & main forum>>>
<A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED/">WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED</A>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED/

Please answer the Patriot Calls as they come for the future and sake of all
the children on this planet

Keep the corrupt hopping and make it more difficult for them by giving
strength to the numbers of as many good and productive patriot groups possible, that
come your way

If the corrupt are successful with stopping cyberactivism...This could be a
good thing

Hit the street and join the many concerned citizens and patriots already
working in the trenches

Local churches is where you'll find many of your fellow activists with truth

Even church leaders are speaking out and scrapping their gag orders which are
the 501c3's

Proof>>>

<A HREF="http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1635696&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312">http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1635696&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312</A>

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:41:46 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: UPDATES (3): Greg Nixon protest

An ideal number. Are you counting the cops, Nico? Don't forget cops have opinions too and they have friends. A small number of people gave the cops nothing to worry about. "Nasty scenes" were probably avoided. I didn't realise Greg was hoping to meet some "names" but I didn't suggest the suit for this reason (although obviously being smart "opens doors" but arresting a man wearing a suit wouldn't look good in the media so I thought it would avoid a nasty cop scene. Afterall it is a "uniform of the middle classes"
----- Original Message -----
From: Nico Haupt
To: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: [911InsideJobbers] UPDATES (3): Greg Nixon protest

UPDATE:
Amy Goodman apparently did not respond to the protest crowd and hang out on
them, while speaker phone was up. The crowd yelled "war criminals".

However the group seemed to be very motivated and i heard them very loud
yelling...

>>>
...new phone update from Greg.

I will try to keep you posted, which might not be easy here at the office
:-)....

I will call Greg later to maybe get an updated report. I hope, a friend of
mine will show up with his videocam to document the event...

my props to Greg. He did the best he can. 100 people would be a success, but
it's a shame, how less support he was confronted with so far....

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:24:08 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: 911Scholars removed Ben Pritchard as member

f.y.i... this is from a group, which pretended "awareness":

...(3) It fascinates me that you should cite Benjamin Pritchard, who misused
the name of the society in promoting an event to which we were unrelated.
As a consequence, I suspended him from the organization. If you were not
in such a great rush to smear S9/11T, perhaps you would have noticed that
his name is not listed as a member. Here is some related correspondence:

Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:37:07 -0600 (CST)
From: james fetzer
To: ben@benjaminpritchard.name
Subject: Re: "Naked" Press Release; Scholars for 9/11 Truth

Benjamin,

We are a group of scholars, not naked activists, so I would respectfully
request that you not identify Scholars for 9/11 Truth with this stunt.
I appreciate what you are trying to do; I hope you can appreciate what we
are trying to do--and that our methods will not always coincide. Thanks.

Good luck!

Jim

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:36:14 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 911Scholars removed Ben Pritchard as member

Context please? Could you explain what this is about?

By the way, I am thinking of joining ST911 (I am an academic). Any problems
about ST911 from this group?

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> f.y.i... this is from a group, which pretended "awareness":
>
>
>
> ...(3) It fascinates me that you should cite Benjamin Pritchard, who misused
> the name of the society in promoting an event to which we were unrelated.
> As a consequence, I suspended him from the organization. If you were not
> in such a great rush to smear S9/11T, perhaps you would have noticed that
> his name is not listed as a member. Here is some related correspondence:
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:37:07 -0600 (CST)
> From: james fetzer
> To: ben@...
> Subject: Re: "Naked" Press Release; Scholars for 9/11 Truth
>
> Benjamin,
>
> We are a group of scholars, not naked activists, so I would respectfully
> request that you not identify Scholars for 9/11 Truth with this stunt.
> I appreciate what you are trying to do; I hope you can appreciate what we
> are trying to do--and that our methods will not always coincide. Thanks.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Jim
>
> --
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>

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:07:58 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: An eye witness to "175"

A witness that supports what WF has been saying for a long time [but
it wasn't "silvery shiny" Bob, was it?]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/people.html
Bob Borski, 32, a financial director at the AIG insurance
organization, with offices six blocks from the World Trade Center, was
standing on the 15th floor with his boss, watching as the first tower
burned. Then he saw United Airlines Flight 175 heading for the second
tower.

"It just doesn't fit into your mind -- I'm used to seeing planes and
helicopters disappear behind the building. And then they come out the
other side. But this was so low and it literally disappeared into the
building. You think, well, what would that look like? Would it bounce
off? But it's like the building swallowed up the plane. It was a swift
explosion, it wasn't resounding. It was boom -- like a door shutting.
Quick and loud. That silvery shiny plane, just going right into the
building -- I'll replay it in my mind over and over."

AIG Building
70 Pine Street, Manhattan
New York, NY

South of the former WTC location.

http://www.hopstop.com/?action=map_browser&recenter_zoom=n&move=s&map_id=k881qwkr29asxxbj&map_state=LTc0LjAxMjA5OQk0MC43MDg1NjQJMC4wMDY0CTAuMDA0OA==

http://www.hopstop.com/?action=map_browser&recenter_zoom=n&move=n&map_id=k881qwkr29asxxbj&map_state=LTc0LjAxMjA5OQk0MC43MDQ5NjQJMC4wMDY0CTAuMDA0OA==

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:45:15 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: Re: 911Scholars removed Ben Pritchard as member

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 911Scholars removed Ben Pritchard as
> member
> Datum: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:36:14 -0000
>

Alex,

i would recommend to only join them as an
"associated member" until it's clear,
what kind of agenda they're really supporting.

I will later release an updated profile about this group at
portland.indymedia.org and then mirror the link, once it's up.

The communication below was between Jim (Fetzer) and me, in a bigger list
with 30 people, including many st911 members.
He responded with an update, that he removed Ben Pritchard as an associated
member from this group, because he supported "naked" activism.

I asked Jim, why he's not supportive of an activist message, like Greg and
Ben's.

>>>>Context please? Could you explain what this is about?

By the way, I am thinking of joining ST911 (I am an academic). Any problems
about ST911 from this group?

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
wrote:
>
> f.y.i... this is from a group, which pretended "awareness":
>
>
>
> ...(3) It fascinates me that you should cite Benjamin Pritchard, who
misused
> the name of the society in promoting an event to which we were unrelated.
> As a consequence, I suspended him from the organization. If you were not
> in such a great rush to smear S9/11T, perhaps you would have noticed that
> his name is not listed as a member. Here is some related correspondence:
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:37:07 -0600 (CST)
> From: james fetzer
> To: ben@...
> Subject: Re: "Naked" Press Release; Scholars for 9/11 Truth
>
> Benjamin,
>
> We are a group of scholars, not naked activists, so I would respectfully
> request that you not identify Scholars for 9/11 Truth with this stunt.
> I appreciate what you are trying to do; I hope you can appreciate what we
> are trying to do--and that our methods will not always coincide. Thanks.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Jim
> <<<

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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:04:50 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 911Scholars removed Ben Pritchard as member

I can understand why a "Scholars" group would want to hold itself
separate and aloft from "activism" particularly "naked activism" which
is begging to be a joke butt.
While Professor Jones planehugging and Hoffman imitations have me
nervous, I am cheered that the real Hoffman denounced him, which proves
he's doing something right.
A member with bonafide acedemic video credentials has been looking at my
work with reasonable admiration.

I'd say that most of the members are sincere, even if some are
wrongheaded by virtue of the brainwash it takes to become a "scholar."
The Hidden Enemy: Rationalism
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/01/332076.html?c=on#c142558

Nico Haupt wrote:
>> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
>> Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
>> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 911Scholars removed Ben Pritchard as
>> member
>> Datum: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:36:14 -0000
>>
>>
>
>
> Alex,
>
> i would recommend to only join them as an
> "associated member" until it's clear,
> what kind of agenda they're really supporting.
>
> I will later release an updated profile about this group at
> portland.indymedia.org and then mirror the link, once it's up.
>
> The communication below was between Jim (Fetzer) and me, in a bigger list
> with 30 people, including many st911 members.
> He responded with an update, that he removed Ben Pritchard as an associated
> member from this group, because he supported "naked" activism.
>
> I asked Jim, why he's not supportive of an activist message, like Greg and
> Ben's.
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>> Context please? Could you explain what this is about?
>>>>>
>
> By the way, I am thinking of joining ST911 (I am an academic). Any problems
> about ST911 from this group?
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
> wrote:
>
>> f.y.i... this is from a group, which pretended "awareness":
>>
>>
>>
>> ...(3) It fascinates me that you should cite Benjamin Pritchard, who
>>
> misused
>
>> the name of the society in promoting an event to which we were unrelated.
>> As a consequence, I suspended him from the organization. If you were not
>> in such a great rush to smear S9/11T, perhaps you would have noticed that
>> his name is not listed as a member. Here is some related correspondence:
>>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:37:07 -0600 (CST)
>> From: james fetzer
>> To: ben@...
>> Subject: Re: "Naked" Press Release; Scholars for 9/11 Truth
>>
>> Benjamin,
>>
>> We are a group of scholars, not naked activists, so I would respectfully
>> request that you not identify Scholars for 9/11 Truth with this stunt.
>> I appreciate what you are trying to do; I hope you can appreciate what we
>> are trying to do--and that our methods will not always coincide. Thanks.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Jim
>> <<<
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Context please? Could you explain what this is about?
>
> By the way, I am thinking of joining ST911 (I am an academic). Any
> problems
> about ST911 from this group?
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > f.y.i... this is from a group, which pretended "awareness":
> >
> >
> >
> > ...(3) It fascinates me that you should cite Benjamin Pritchard, who
> misused
> > the name of the society in promoting an event to which we were
> unrelated.
> > As a consequence, I suspended him from the organization. If you
> were not
> > in such a great rush to smear S9/11T, perhaps you would have noticed
> that
> > his name is not listed as a member. Here is some related
> correspondence:
> >
> > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:37:07 -0600 (CST)
> > From: james fetzer
> > To: ben@...
> > Subject: Re: "Naked" Press Release; Scholars for 9/11 Truth
> >
> > Benjamin,
> >
> > We are a group of scholars, not naked activists, so I would respectfully
> > request that you not identify Scholars for 9/11 Truth with this stunt.
> > I appreciate what you are trying to do; I hope you can appreciate
> what we
> > are trying to do--and that our methods will not always coincide.
> Thanks.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --
> > Telefonieren Sie schon oder sparen Sie noch?
> > NEU: GMX Phone_Flat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/telefonie
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:58:16 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth so help me.

Well Stanley which of your stories is true?

You are attributed in the book "102 Minutes" as seeing the red and
blue marking and the letter "U". The authors of the book go on to
state it was "175".

But here Stanley you say you saw a big grey plane with red letters on
the wing and on the tail. The writer of this article says it was
flight "11".

http://www.ambassadoragency.com/client_profile.cfm/cid/29

"If they had continued on and exited the building, all of their lives
would have been spared. As it was, that's not the way it happened. "As
soon as we reached the concourse level, the security guard stopped us
and said, 'Where are you going?' Stanley explained about seeing the
fire in Tower One.

But everything wasn't fine--far from it. As Stanley was talking, he
looked up and saw American Airlines Flight 11 heading straight for
him. "All I can see is this big gray plane, with red letters on the
wing and on the tail, bearing down on me," said Stanley. "But this
thing is happening in slow motion. The plane appeared to be like 100
yards away, I said 'Lord, you take control, I can't help myself here.'
" Stanley then dove under his desk."

And what I don't understand is how come the security guard was able to
order you to do anything. You could have told him to take a hike. You
was out of there.

But I'm not the first to spot this:-

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/survivor1.htm

We have confirmed this with Mr. Praimnath's church and the
headquarters of his denomination, which did a story on him. Also, one
of our staff happened to catch a television interview with him.

One note...as a matter of integrity, we do not edit the eRumors when
we post them, such as below. This version of this eRumor, however,
quotes Mr. :Praimnath as saying that he saw American Airlines flight
number 11 headed for his building, which is incorrect. He was in
tower two, which was struck by a United Airlines plane. We checked
the original of this story, however, which was published by the
Assemblies of God News Service. It correctly identified the plane as
being a United flight.

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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:34:12 -0000
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth so help me.

Ron_winn,

I apologize for not really knowing you, or your name Ron. I am in
no position to assess who you are, what good you are doing, and why.

However, based on your contributions to this group, I don't know
what you are doing. In my judgement, your contributions are often
meaningless, misleading, pointless or simply foggy.

Perhaps I'm in the minority with this opinion. I don't mean to be a
total jerk.

Now that I got that off my chest, what the hell is your point with
this post?

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "ron_winn" <ron_winn@...>
wrote:
>
> Well Stanley which of your stories is true?
>
> You are attributed in the book "102 Minutes" as seeing the red and
> blue marking and the letter "U". The authors of the book go on to
> state it was "175".
>
> But here Stanley you say you saw a big grey plane with red letters
on
> the wing and on the tail. The writer of this article says it was
> flight "11".
>
> http://www.ambassadoragency.com/client_profile.cfm/cid/29
>
> "If they had continued on and exited the building, all of their
lives
> would have been spared. As it was, that's not the way it
happened. "As
> soon as we reached the concourse level, the security guard stopped
us
> and said, 'Where are you going?' Stanley explained about seeing the
> fire in Tower One.
>
> But everything wasn't fine--far from it. As Stanley was talking, he
> looked up and saw American Airlines Flight 11 heading straight for
> him. "All I can see is this big gray plane, with red letters on the
> wing and on the tail, bearing down on me," said Stanley. "But this
> thing is happening in slow motion. The plane appeared to be like
100
> yards away, I said 'Lord, you take control, I can't help myself
here.'
> " Stanley then dove under his desk."
>
> And what I don't understand is how come the security guard was
able to
> order you to do anything. You could have told him to take a hike.
You
> was out of there.
>
> But I'm not the first to spot this:-
>
> http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/survivor1.htm
>
> We have confirmed this with Mr. Praimnath's church and the
> headquarters of his denomination, which did a story on him. Also,
one
> of our staff happened to catch a television interview with him.
>
> One note...as a matter of integrity, we do not edit the eRumors
when
> we post them, such as below. This version of this eRumor, however,
> quotes Mr. :Praimnath as saying that he saw American Airlines
flight
> number 11 headed for his building, which is incorrect. He was in
> tower two, which was struck by a United Airlines plane. We checked
> the original of this story, however, which was published by the
> Assemblies of God News Service. It correctly identified the plane
as
> being a United flight.
>

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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:42:58 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:06:05 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Organization: Grassy Knoll Associates
To: jfetzer@d.umn.edu
References: <20060220213823.27207.qmail@web54309.mail.yahoo.com>
<1140474068.70c6cd07982d8@wm2.d.umn.edu>

http://team8plus.org
This is why to take Nico Seriously.
This is an incredible collection of research on the war games and terror
drills that just "happened" to be scheduled for 911.
This site hosts radar information which confirms that "planes" never got
near New York and all sorts of stuff Nico's team has assembled over the
past four plus years.

I try to maintain hope that the goal is not to spin up a fiction to suit
the globalist theocrats who have largely funded the 911 Orwellian
"Truth" movement, to provide an All Necks in One Noose brand of "unity"
as half-truth front man lie-proper to feed the schnookies freshened up lies.

If I had read Nico's message "joke" I would have pounded him for it.
Becoming another brand of "Liars For Truth" carrying false flags just
cos it has worked so well so far is nothing I could indorse even in jest.
The remark was apparently in reference to Greg Nixon's poster, which
some Hoffman fan made for him.
In retrospect, I think I didn't take it seriously enough either. Here's
what I wrote:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC: my pleading up at DC Indy
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:47:17 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>

I'm not bitching or nuthin.
I Hail Eris the Goddess of Chaos Equally in Triumph and Despair.
Yay for whatever turns up.
It's a good looking poster.
I'm just saying that people look at the Hoffman addresses and do their
normal nod routine.
This is good.

They may not even read that the target is Spitzer, hero of braindead New
Yorkers about to be rewarded for his coverup expertise like generations
of crusading prosecutors.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hoffman crawls out of his cave to issue a
cease and desist!!

Greg Nixon wrote:
> The web sites were not my choosing but that of an activist in SF
> who sent me it. Since I am a complete retard with computers and too
> overwhelmed with othe work to learn now, I had to run with the
> existing one.
>
>
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> <webfairy@...> wrote:
>
>> I think, since your poster flies Jim Hoffman's colors, you will
>> have little trouble getting it posted.
>> With good fortune, the event shall be a great embarrassment to him.
>> Your poster is rubbed with the spoor of the Perp Central inside
>> jobbers running both sides.
>> This will cause great confusion.
>> teehee.
>>
>>
>> Greg Nixon wrote:
>>
>>> http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php

jfetzer@d.umn.edu wrote:
> Nico,
>
> We agree that someone's behavior is disgusting and irresponsible, but not on
> which of us that would be. Others can readily sort out the evidence in this
> case. Anyone who thinks this was a "joke" is not going to have the ghost of
> a chance actually figuring out what happened on 9/11 or anything else, alas!
> I cannot imagine why anyone should continue to take you seriously. I don't.
>
> Jim
>
> Quoting Nico Haupt <nicohaupt2@yahoo.com>:
>
>
>>>>>> If the Village Voice or NY TIMES writes about it, i don't care, but
>>>>>>
>> maybe it
>> > would be cool infowar and a mainstream media stunt, if we claim,
>> 911Scholars
>> > for Truth are one of the organizers or endorsers as well, ROFL!!! :)
>> >
>> > Greg could pretend he didn't know about the scam. Someone maybe should
>> > really fake a last minute flyer: 911Scholars and Jim Fetzer present Greg
>> > Nixon + Co. :)
>> >
>> Is it your defense that Cathy Garger was the source and that you had nothing
>> to do with this? I am sure everyone will find your explanation fascinating!
>>
>> Jim<<<
>>
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> let me put it this way.
>>
>> It is sad enough that you neither endorsed Ben Pritchard OR Greg Nixon.
>>
>> When you asked me if i suggested a leaflet, "presented by 911Scholars", this
>> was actually a joke many weeks ago, with some hope, that you would still cave
>> in and actually really endorse Greg Nixon.
>>
>> If someone picked up this joke, then please make this person responsible,
>> not me.
>>
>> In times, when comedians like Jon Stewart have apparently more impact on the
>> leftwing, it is more than irritating, that you take your job so seriously.
>>
>> Meanwhile i figured out, who actually printed the leaflet.
>> It was Luke, a supporter of ny911truth.org, who once also organized the Loose
>> Change II -event. I think, he did also a great promotion for Greg and you
>> should be thankful that he added your link.
>>
>> Ironically also ny911truth.org decided not to promote Greg's event until last
>> thursday, and only under strong criticism and way too late, to get at least
>> 200 people to Ground Zero.
>>
>> Luke (i forgot his last name now) did NOT stage or imply that your group
>> present Greg's event, but added by good will a link to your and Jim Hoffman's
>> website.
>>
>>
>> Your behavior is embarrassing and incredible.
>>
>> Now you also decided to remove Ben Pritchard?
>> That should speak for yourself.
>>
>> This is disgusting and irresponsible behavior.
>>
>> My respect for your cause reached almost zero now.
>>
>> I hope, the other members will figure out now, to correct this ASAP.
>>
>> nico aka ewing2001
>>
>>
>> jfetzer@d.umn.edu wrote: (1) The purpose of Scholars for 9/11 Truth is
>> provided on our web site at
>> http://www.st911.org under the heading, "Who are we?", which is as follows:
>>
>> Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T) is a non-partisan association of faculty,
>> students, and scholars, in fields as diverse as history, science, military
>> affairs, psychology, and philosophy, dedicated to exposing falsehoods and to
>> revealing truths behind 9/11.
>>
>> The members of S9/11T are encouraged to take an active role by devoting
>> themselves to reporting the results of research on 9/11 to the nation and the
>> world by means of lectures, articles, and other venues.
>>
>> S9/11T members are convinced their research proves the current administration
>> has been dishonest about what happened in New York and Washington, D.C.
>>
>> These experts contend that books and articles by members and other associates
>> have established that the World Trade Center was almost certainly brought
>> down
>> by controlled demolitions and that the available relevant evidence casts
>> grave
>> doubt on the government's official story about the attack on the Pentagon.
>>
>> They believe that the government not only permitted 9/11 to occur but may
>> even
>> have orchestrated these events to facilitate its political agenda.
>>
>> S9/11T encourages its members to vigorously express their concerns on this
>> score
>> through lectures, conferences, symposia, articles, and books as well as other
>> access routes that publicize their findings.
>>
>> Founded by professors Jim Fetzer and Steven Jones, S9/11T is devoted to
>> applying
>> the principles of scientific reasoning to the available evidence, "letting
>> the
>> chips fall where they may".
>>
>> Currently, S9/11T has four categories of members: full members (FM), who have
>> or
>> have had academic appointments or the equivalent; associate members (AM), who
>> have backgrounds and interests relevant to 9/11 research; and student members
>> (SM), who are concerned about these issues and want to pursue them. The
>> special
>> category of society associate (SA) exists for others who wish to publicly
>> support the association.
>>
>> (2) The relationship between the members and the society is not symmetrical,
>> which means that, while the members endorse and support the purposes and the
>> goals of the society, the society does not therefore endorse or support the
>> purposes and goals of each of its members. The society is not an "activist"
>> organization, for example, even thought many of its members are devoted to
>> taking "activist" measures. We are devoted to discovering the truth about
>> 9/11 and disseminating that information was widely as possible. Otherwise,
>> we trust the good judgment of the American people and, indeed, the people of
>> the world to take those actions they consider to be most appropriate under
>> the circumstances. Moreover, measuring the "degree of purity" of beliefs of
>> our members relative to your own subjective yardstick not only qualifies as
>> blatant bias but begs the question: what entitles you to assume that YOUR
>> BELIEFS about 9/11 are better founded or more defensive than THEIRS? This
>> conduct on your part has obvious political motivation and little or nothing
>> to do with exposing the false and revealing the truth about event of 9/11.
>>
>> (3) It fascinates me that you should cite Benjamin Pritchard, who misused
>> the name of the society in promoting an event to which we were unrelated.
>> As a consequence, I suspended him from the organization. If you were not
>> in such a great rush to smear S9/11T, perhaps you would have noticed that
>> his name is not listed as a member. Here is some related correspondence:
>>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:37:07 -0600 (CST)
>> From: james fetzer
>> To: ben@benjaminpritchard.name
>> Subject: Re: "Naked" Press Release; Scholars for 9/11 Truth
>>
>> Benjamin,
>>
>> We are a group of scholars, not naked activists, so I would respectfully
>> request that you not identify Scholars for 9/11 Truth with this stunt.
>> I appreciate what you are trying to do; I hope you can appreciate what we
>> are trying to do--and that our methods will not always coincide. Thanks.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Attorney@email.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Benjamin, I think your PRWeb press release "9/11 Activists Planning to
>>>
>> 'Get
>> Naked' to Get the Mainstream Media's Attention" is funny:
>> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060208/nyw163.html?.v=34
>>
>>> However, since you are prominently using the name Scholars for 9/11 Truth
>>>
>> in
>> the release, I think you should run it by the group's co-chairs, Jim and
>> Steve.
>>
>>> Alex.
>>>
>>>
>> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:13:10 -0600
>> From: jfetzer@d.umn.edu
>> To: benjamin pritchard
>> Subject: Re: Naked?
>>
>> Benjamin Pritchard,
>>
>> This is to notify you that your name has been removed from the membership
>> rolls for Scholars for 9/11 Truth. If you wish to offer a case for your
>> reinstatement, you may do so by return email to this list within 24 hours.
>>
>> James H. Fetzer
>>
>> (4) I find it interesting that you deny having suggested creating a false
>> press release to smear S9/11T. Quoting Nico Haupt :
>>
>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> . . .
>>>
>>> For the record, i am NOT the "same Nico Haupt who suggested creating
>>>
>> false
>>
>>> news releases to tie S9/11T to an event in New York".
>>>
>>> I am aware, that someone in NY printed some leaflets to promote the
>>>
>> event
>>
>>> of Greg Nixon, but that wasn't me. I have a) no money for this, b) no time
>>> c) not the skills for thsi graphic design.
>>>
>>>
>> If that is the case, then perhaps you could kindly explain the following post
>> from a group calling itself "911InsideJobbers", which includes your name as a
>> member. Are you going to persist in denying that you made such a suggestion
>> or that the issues you are raising here are consistent with the exchange that
>> is recorded in this post? You appear to have no principles whatsoever and to
>> be completely unscrupulous. Would you like to revise your statement, Nico?
>>
>>
>>>> --- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht ---
>>>> Von: Cathy Garger
>>>> An: Nico Haupt , 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [ny911] NY 911 Truth Update 2-6-06
>>>> Datum: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:05:04 -0800 (PST)
>>>>
>>> The most important outcome of Greg Nixon's event will be THIS TIME
>>> not the masses of support, but the symbolical approach and enough internet
>>> media to reflect it. In the best scenario an embarrassed Amy Goodman will
>>> yell at the crowd and stir more confusion, i hope the same for ANSWER.
>>>
>>> What the rightwingers depend, i don't expect much reaction. A protest at
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> NY TIMES is just to get some hot air for sheeple walking next by.
>>>
>>> If the Village Voice or NY TIMES writes about it, i don't care, but maybe
>>>
>> it
>>
>>> would be cool infowar and a mainstream media stunt, if we claim,
>>>
>> 911Scholars
>>
>>> for Truth are one of the organizers or endorsers as well, ROFL!!! :)
>>>
>>> Greg could pretend he didn't know about the scam. Someone maybe should
>>> really fake a last minute flyer: 911Scholars and Jim Fetzer present Greg
>>> Nixon + Co. :)
>>>
>>>
>> Is it your defense that Cathy Garger was the source and that you had nothing
>> to do with this? I am sure everyone will find your explanation fascinating!
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
>> Founder and Co-chair
>> Scholars for 9/11 Truth
>> http://www.st911.org
>> http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/
>> _____________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> if this is the only response you could come up with it, then it appears to
>> me
>> of the same arrogance you supplied at the last time.
>>
>> For the record, i am NOT the "same Nico Haupt who suggested creating false
>> news releases to tie S9/11T to an event in New York".
>>
>>
>>> I am aware, that someone in NY printed some leaflets to promote the event
>>>
>> of
>>
>>> Greg Nixon, but that wasn't me. I have a) no money for this, b) no time c)
>>> not the skills for thsi graphic design.
>>>
>>> I also didn't suggest to add these two links, even critized it at the
>>> beginning, when i heard about it.
>>>
>>> Again, my effort was to analyse all members of your group, as close as
>>> possible and i still believe, it would be irresponsible not to use your
>>> influence in mainstream media not to add any political and activist
>>>
>> message
>>
>>> at this point.
>>>
>>> What you also didn't respect so far is, that without the groundbreaking
>>> efforts of my former group, "9/11 science and justice alliance"
>>>
>> (2002-2006),
>>
>>> co-founded with Jeff "Plaguepuppy" King. there wouldn't have been the
>>> Walter/Hufschmid-tandem, David Ray Griffin, Craig Hill, WING TV,
>>> 911physics.net, or your group.
>>>
>>> Again, i pointed out from the beginning, that our phsyical research is
>>> nothing worth if it is not picked up and put into action by activist
>>>
>> groups
>>
>>> or independent media projects and related media stunts.
>>>
>>> Therefore your group is not going to the next level as well and remain as
>>> pure awareness PR only.
>>>
>>> Are you really believe, that is enough to stop a world war between US,
>>> Russia and China or the pending threat against Iran?
>>> Where is your stand, when it comes to confront phoney anti-war speakers?
>>>
>>> Why didn't you endorse Greg Nixon's event? Why didn't you send a student
>>> delegetion, connected with your student members of the group?
>>> Where is your support of the project of Ben Pritchard (an associated
>>> member of your group) , 911nakedforthe truth and why didn't you combine
>>> forces with him and Greg yet?
>>>
>>>
>>> I gave you the benefit of a doubt, that you're going into the right
>>> direction, but i listened also closely to your last three interviews and
>>> couldn't hear anything which point on more than just being another
>>> 'awareness' group.
>>>
>>> I am aware, that i occasionally also let my emotions flow, but that is a
>>> response on people in this movement who just show nothing else than
>>> arrogance and ignorance.
>>>
>>> The correspondence with you so far reminds me of the early days with Kyle
>>> Hence, who showed the same attitude.
>>>
>>> Prove, that you're not going into the same direction like 911truth.org.
>>>
>>> PS: Nothing is "bizarre" as you often pointed out in some interviews.
>>> The real 9/11 perps calculated confusion and paradoxes to design
>>> diversions on purpose, including in a possible "opposition".
>>>
>>> That includes a sloppy job on pentagon and other details regarding
>>>
>> alleged
>>
>>> cell phone talks or sloppery in their electronic video manipulations on
>>> sep11th.
>>>
>>>
>>> jfetzer@d.umn.edu wrote: Nico,
>>>
>>> Not to belabor the obvious, but you are not a member of S9/11T, so I have
>>> no idea what you think you are doing. If your purpose is NOT to sabotage
>>> or undermine the society, I can't imagine what it could be? I have been
>>> resistant to those who have advised me that you are a very nasty and very
>>> unscrupulous person, but I am finding it more and more difficult to deny
>>> that they appear to be right and I wrong to give you benefit of the doubt.
>>> Aren't you the same Nico Haupt who suggested creating false news releases
>>> to tie S9/11T to an event in New York in order to tarnish our reputation?
>>> Was that another example of your efforts to "restructure and refocus" us?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Quoting Nico Haupt :
>>>
>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> thanks for your point and i'm actually glad that you respond back,
>>>> but as you recall, i put you up in my "biggest hope" category.
>>>>
>>>> My point is not to sabotage or offend the group, but to waken up into
>>>> another direction with a possible restructure and refocus.
>>>>
>>>> I am also curious about what else you have to say, especially also
>>>> regarding
>>>> PR strategy and particular activist projects and contents.
>>>>
>>>> Please send me any material about how you think, your own personal
>>>>
>> spirit
>>
>>>> and background can improve the group of 911Scholars.
>>>>
>>>> respectfully,
>>>>
>>>> nico aka ewing2001
>>>> team8plus.org
>>>> 911Inside Jobber Yahoogroup
>>>>
>>>> PS: Lori, i'm not sure if you responded to me,
>>>> but i think, i had no 9 million pages in my reply, just a listings
>>>>
>> about
>>
>>> 48
>>>
>>>> people.
>>>> I think netiquette is often not clear, if you should add the original
>>>> content again.
>>>> I think in this point it's probably not necessary, if you don't correct
>>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>> quote particular paragraphs and skip the others.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone, who would like to unsubscribe from this list, please do so.
>>>> I only decided to include some guests, but respect if the debate among
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> 911scholars can continue without harrassing any other visitors.
>>>>
>>>> I might add a link with my analysis on the group at
>>>>
>>> portland.indymedia.org,
>>>
>>>> in the 9/11 section very soon where people can individually respond.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:02:48 -0000
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
Subject: Paul Krugman

In additional to Amy Goodman, I want to add Paul Krugman's name to the
list of Left Gatekeepers. Paul is seen by conservatives as the
outrageous anti-Bush liberal at the NYT. In editorials, he has slamed
the Bush admin again and again.

However, look at the quality of today's editorial:

http://malakandsky.blogspot.com/2006/02/mensch-gap.html

He's saying the US is messed up because "The people now running
America aren't mensches."

A fucking PHD, and this is what he offers us. He's as much of a War
Criminal as Goodman.

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:57:19 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]

Man, I really wish everyone would chill out, especially Fetzer.
There's no reason to hurl insults around.

What a mess.

"why can't we all just get along?" :P

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:06:05 -0600
> From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> Organization: Grassy Knoll Associates
> To: jfetzer@...
> References: <20060220213823.27207.qmail@...>
> <1140474068.70c6cd07982d8@...>
>
>
>
> http://team8plus.org
> This is why to take Nico Seriously.
> This is an incredible collection of research on the war games and
terror
> drills that just "happened" to be scheduled for 911.
> This site hosts radar information which confirms that "planes" never
got
> near New York and all sorts of stuff Nico's team has assembled over the
> past four plus years.
>
> I try to maintain hope that the goal is not to spin up a fiction to
suit
> the globalist theocrats who have largely funded the 911 Orwellian
> "Truth" movement, to provide an All Necks in One Noose brand of "unity"
> as half-truth front man lie-proper to feed the schnookies freshened
up lies.
>
> If I had read Nico's message "joke" I would have pounded him for it.
> Becoming another brand of "Liars For Truth" carrying false flags just
> cos it has worked so well so far is nothing I could indorse even in
jest.
> The remark was apparently in reference to Greg Nixon's poster, which
> some Hoffman fan made for him.
> In retrospect, I think I didn't take it seriously enough either. Here's
> what I wrote:
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC: my pleading up at DC Indy
> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:47:17 -0600
> From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
>
>
>
> I'm not bitching or nuthin.
> I Hail Eris the Goddess of Chaos Equally in Triumph and Despair.
> Yay for whatever turns up.
> It's a good looking poster.
> I'm just saying that people look at the Hoffman addresses and do their
> normal nod routine.
> This is good.
>
> They may not even read that the target is Spitzer, hero of braindead
New
> Yorkers about to be rewarded for his coverup expertise like generations
> of crusading prosecutors.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if Hoffman crawls out of his cave to issue a
> cease and desist!!
>
>
>
> Greg Nixon wrote:
> > The web sites were not my choosing but that of an activist in SF
> > who sent me it. Since I am a complete retard with computers and too
> > overwhelmed with othe work to learn now, I had to run with the
> > existing one.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
> > <webfairy@> wrote:
> >
> >> I think, since your poster flies Jim Hoffman's colors, you will
> >> have little trouble getting it posted.
> >> With good fortune, the event shall be a great embarrassment to him.
> >> Your poster is rubbed with the spoor of the Perp Central inside
> >> jobbers running both sides.
> >> This will cause great confusion.
> >> teehee.
> >>
> >>
> >> Greg Nixon wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php
>
>
>
>
>
>
> jfetzer@... wrote:
> > Nico,
> >
> > We agree that someone's behavior is disgusting and irresponsible,
but not on
> > which of us that would be. Others can readily sort out the
evidence in this
> > case. Anyone who thinks this was a "joke" is not going to have
the ghost of
> > a chance actually figuring out what happened on 9/11 or anything
else, alas!
> > I cannot imagine why anyone should continue to take you seriously.
I don't.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Quoting Nico Haupt <nicohaupt2@...>:
> >
> >
> >>>>>> If the Village Voice or NY TIMES writes about it, i don't
care, but
> >>>>>>
> >> maybe it
> >> > would be cool infowar and a mainstream media stunt, if we claim,
> >> 911Scholars
> >> > for Truth are one of the organizers or endorsers as well,
ROFL!!! :)
> >> >
> >> > Greg could pretend he didn't know about the scam. Someone
maybe should
> >> > really fake a last minute flyer: 911Scholars and Jim Fetzer
present Greg
> >> > Nixon + Co. :)
> >> >
> >> Is it your defense that Cathy Garger was the source and that you
had nothing
> >> to do with this? I am sure everyone will find your explanation
fascinating!
> >>
> >> Jim<<<
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim,
> >>
> >> let me put it this way.
> >>
> >> It is sad enough that you neither endorsed Ben Pritchard OR Greg
Nixon.
> >>
> >> When you asked me if i suggested a leaflet, "presented by
911Scholars", this
> >> was actually a joke many weeks ago, with some hope, that you
would still cave
> >> in and actually really endorse Greg Nixon.
> >>
> >> If someone picked up this joke, then please make this person
responsible,
> >> not me.
> >>
> >> In times, when comedians like Jon Stewart have apparently more
impact on the
> >> leftwing, it is more than irritating, that you take your job so
seriously.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile i figured out, who actually printed the leaflet.
> >> It was Luke, a supporter of ny911truth.org, who once also
organized the Loose
> >> Change II -event. I think, he did also a great promotion for Greg
and you
> >> should be thankful that he added your link.
> >>
> >> Ironically also ny911truth.org decided not to promote Greg's
event until last
> >> thursday, and only under strong criticism and way too late, to
get at least
> >> 200 people to Ground Zero.
> >>
> >> Luke (i forgot his last name now) did NOT stage or imply that
your group
> >> present Greg's event, but added by good will a link to your and
Jim Hoffman's
> >> website.
> >>
> >>
> >> Your behavior is embarrassing and incredible.
> >>
> >> Now you also decided to remove Ben Pritchard?
> >> That should speak for yourself.
> >>
> >> This is disgusting and irresponsible behavior.
> >>
> >> My respect for your cause reached almost zero now.
> >>
> >> I hope, the other members will figure out now, to correct this ASAP.
> >>
> >> nico aka ewing2001
> >>
> >>
> >> jfetzer@... wrote: (1) The purpose of Scholars for 9/11 Truth is
> >> provided on our web site at
> >> http://www.st911.org under the heading, "Who are we?", which is
as follows:
> >>
> >> Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T) is a non-partisan association
of faculty,
> >> students, and scholars, in fields as diverse as history, science,
military
> >> affairs, psychology, and philosophy, dedicated to exposing
falsehoods and to
> >> revealing truths behind 9/11.
> >>
> >> The members of S9/11T are encouraged to take an active role by
devoting
> >> themselves to reporting the results of research on 9/11 to the
nation and the
> >> world by means of lectures, articles, and other venues.
> >>
> >> S9/11T members are convinced their research proves the current
administration
> >> has been dishonest about what happened in New York and
Washington, D.C.
> >>
> >> These experts contend that books and articles by members and
other associates
> >> have established that the World Trade Center was almost certainly
brought
> >> down
> >> by controlled demolitions and that the available relevant
evidence casts
> >> grave
> >> doubt on the government's official story about the attack on the
Pentagon.
> >>
> >> They believe that the government not only permitted 9/11 to occur
but may
> >> even
> >> have orchestrated these events to facilitate its political agenda.
> >>
> >> S9/11T encourages its members to vigorously express their
concerns on this
> >> score
> >> through lectures, conferences, symposia, articles, and books as
well as other
> >> access routes that publicize their findings.
> >>
> >> Founded by professors Jim Fetzer and Steven Jones, S9/11T is
devoted to
> >> applying
> >> the principles of scientific reasoning to the available evidence,
"letting
> >> the
> >> chips fall where they may".
> >>
> >> Currently, S9/11T has four categories of members: full members
(FM), who have
> >> or
> >> have had academic appointments or the equivalent; associate
members (AM), who
> >> have backgrounds and interests relevant to 9/11 research; and
student members
> >> (SM), who are concerned about these issues and want to pursue
them. The
> >> special
> >> category of society associate (SA) exists for others who wish to
publicly
> >> support the association.
> >>
> >> (2) The relationship between the members and the society is not
symmetrical,
> >> which means that, while the members endorse and support the
purposes and the
> >> goals of the society, the society does not therefore endorse or
support the
> >> purposes and goals of each of its members. The society is not an
"activist"
> >> organization, for example, even thought many of its members are
devoted to
> >> taking "activist" measures. We are devoted to discovering the
truth about
> >> 9/11 and disseminating that information was widely as possible.
Otherwise,
> >> we trust the good judgment of the American people and, indeed,
the people of
> >> the world to take those actions they consider to be most
appropriate under
> >> the circumstances. Moreover, measuring the "degree of purity" of
beliefs of
> >> our members relative to your own subjective yardstick not only
qualifies as
> >> blatant bias but begs the question: what entitles you to assume
that YOUR
> >> BELIEFS about 9/11 are better founded or more defensive than
THEIRS? This
> >> conduct on your part has obvious political motivation and little
or nothing
> >> to do with exposing the false and revealing the truth about event
of 9/11.
> >>
> >> (3) It fascinates me that you should cite Benjamin Pritchard, who
misused
> >> the name of the society in promoting an event to which we were
unrelated.
> >> As a consequence, I suspended him from the organization. If you
were not
> >> in such a great rush to smear S9/11T, perhaps you would have
noticed that
> >> his name is not listed as a member. Here is some related
correspondence:
> >>
> >> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:37:07 -0600 (CST)
> >> From: james fetzer
> >> To: ben@...
> >> Subject: Re: "Naked" Press Release; Scholars for 9/11 Truth
> >>
> >> Benjamin,
> >>
> >> We are a group of scholars, not naked activists, so I would
respectfully
> >> request that you not identify Scholars for 9/11 Truth with this
stunt.
> >> I appreciate what you are trying to do; I hope you can appreciate
what we
> >> are trying to do--and that our methods will not always coincide.
Thanks.
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Attorney@... wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Benjamin, I think your PRWeb press release "9/11 Activists
Planning to
> >>>
> >> 'Get
> >> Naked' to Get the Mainstream Media's Attention" is funny:
> >> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060208/nyw163.html?.v=34
> >>
> >>> However, since you are prominently using the name Scholars for
9/11 Truth
> >>>
> >> in
> >> the release, I think you should run it by the group's co-chairs,
Jim and
> >> Steve.
> >>
> >>> Alex.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:13:10 -0600
> >> From: jfetzer@...
> >> To: benjamin pritchard
> >> Subject: Re: Naked?
> >>
> >> Benjamin Pritchard,
> >>
> >> This is to notify you that your name has been removed from the
membership
> >> rolls for Scholars for 9/11 Truth. If you wish to offer a case
for your
> >> reinstatement, you may do so by return email to this list within
24 hours.
> >>
> >> James H. Fetzer
> >>
> >> (4) I find it interesting that you deny having suggested
creating a false
> >> press release to smear S9/11T. Quoting Nico Haupt :
> >>
> >>
> >>> Jim,
> >>>
> >>> . . .
> >>>
> >>> For the record, i am NOT the "same Nico Haupt who suggested
creating
> >>>
> >> false
> >>
> >>> news releases to tie S9/11T to an event in New York".
> >>>
> >>> I am aware, that someone in NY printed some leaflets to
promote the
> >>>
> >> event
> >>
> >>> of Greg Nixon, but that wasn't me. I have a) no money for this,
b) no time
> >>> c) not the skills for thsi graphic design.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> If that is the case, then perhaps you could kindly explain the
following post
> >> from a group calling itself "911InsideJobbers", which includes
your name as a
> >> member. Are you going to persist in denying that you made such a
suggestion
> >> or that the issues you are raising here are consistent with the
exchange that
> >> is recorded in this post? You appear to have no principles
whatsoever and to
> >> be completely unscrupulous. Would you like to revise your
statement, Nico?
> >>
> >>
> >>>> --- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht ---
> >>>> Von: Cathy Garger
> >>>> An: Nico Haupt , 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [ny911] NY 911 Truth Update
2-6-06
> >>>> Datum: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:05:04 -0800 (PST)
> >>>>
> >>> The most important outcome of Greg Nixon's event will be THIS TIME
> >>> not the masses of support, but the symbolical approach and
enough internet
> >>> media to reflect it. In the best scenario an embarrassed Amy
Goodman will
> >>> yell at the crowd and stir more confusion, i hope the same for
ANSWER.
> >>>
> >>> What the rightwingers depend, i don't expect much reaction. A
protest at
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> NY TIMES is just to get some hot air for sheeple walking next by.
> >>>
> >>> If the Village Voice or NY TIMES writes about it, i don't care,
but maybe
> >>>
> >> it
> >>
> >>> would be cool infowar and a mainstream media stunt, if we claim,
> >>>
> >> 911Scholars
> >>
> >>> for Truth are one of the organizers or endorsers as well, ROFL!!! :)
> >>>
> >>> Greg could pretend he didn't know about the scam. Someone maybe
should
> >>> really fake a last minute flyer: 911Scholars and Jim Fetzer
present Greg
> >>> Nixon + Co. :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Is it your defense that Cathy Garger was the source and that you
had nothing
> >> to do with this? I am sure everyone will find your explanation
fascinating!
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
> >> Founder and Co-chair
> >> Scholars for 9/11 Truth
> >> http://www.st911.org
> >> http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/
> >>
_____________________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> Jim,
> >>
> >> if this is the only response you could come up with it, then it
appears to
> >> me
> >> of the same arrogance you supplied at the last time.
> >>
> >> For the record, i am NOT the "same Nico Haupt who suggested
creating false
> >> news releases to tie S9/11T to an event in New York".
> >>
> >>
> >>> I am aware, that someone in NY printed some leaflets to promote
the event
> >>>
> >> of
> >>
> >>> Greg Nixon, but that wasn't me. I have a) no money for this, b)
no time c)
> >>> not the skills for thsi graphic design.
> >>>
> >>> I also didn't suggest to add these two links, even critized it
at the
> >>> beginning, when i heard about it.
> >>>
> >>> Again, my effort was to analyse all members of your group, as
close as
> >>> possible and i still believe, it would be irresponsible not to
use your
> >>> influence in mainstream media not to add any political and activist
> >>>
> >> message
> >>
> >>> at this point.
> >>>
> >>> What you also didn't respect so far is, that without the
groundbreaking
> >>> efforts of my former group, "9/11 science and justice alliance"
> >>>
> >> (2002-2006),
> >>
> >>> co-founded with Jeff "Plaguepuppy" King. there wouldn't have
been the
> >>> Walter/Hufschmid-tandem, David Ray Griffin, Craig Hill, WING TV,
> >>> 911physics.net, or your group.
> >>>
> >>> Again, i pointed out from the beginning, that our phsyical
research is
> >>> nothing worth if it is not picked up and put into action by
activist
> >>>
> >> groups
> >>
> >>> or independent media projects and related media stunts.
> >>>
> >>> Therefore your group is not going to the next level as well
and remain as
> >>> pure awareness PR only.
> >>>
> >>> Are you really believe, that is enough to stop a world war
between US,
> >>> Russia and China or the pending threat against Iran?
> >>> Where is your stand, when it comes to confront phoney anti-war
speakers?
> >>>
> >>> Why didn't you endorse Greg Nixon's event? Why didn't you send
a student
> >>> delegetion, connected with your student members of the group?
> >>> Where is your support of the project of Ben Pritchard (an
associated
> >>> member of your group) , 911nakedforthe truth and why didn't you
combine
> >>> forces with him and Greg yet?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I gave you the benefit of a doubt, that you're going into the
right
> >>> direction, but i listened also closely to your last three
interviews and
> >>> couldn't hear anything which point on more than just being another
> >>> 'awareness' group.
> >>>
> >>> I am aware, that i occasionally also let my emotions flow, but
that is a
> >>> response on people in this movement who just show nothing else than
> >>> arrogance and ignorance.
> >>>
> >>> The correspondence with you so far reminds me of the early
days with Kyle
> >>> Hence, who showed the same attitude.
> >>>
> >>> Prove, that you're not going into the same direction like
911truth.org.
> >>>
> >>> PS: Nothing is "bizarre" as you often pointed out in some
interviews.
> >>> The real 9/11 perps calculated confusion and paradoxes to design
> >>> diversions on purpose, including in a possible "opposition".
> >>>
> >>> That includes a sloppy job on pentagon and other details
regarding
> >>>
> >> alleged
> >>
> >>> cell phone talks or sloppery in their electronic video
manipulations on
> >>> sep11th.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> jfetzer@... wrote: Nico,
> >>>
> >>> Not to belabor the obvious, but you are not a member of S9/11T,
so I have
> >>> no idea what you think you are doing. If your purpose is NOT to
sabotage
> >>> or undermine the society, I can't imagine what it could be? I
have been
> >>> resistant to those who have advised me that you are a very nasty
and very
> >>> unscrupulous person, but I am finding it more and more difficult
to deny
> >>> that they appear to be right and I wrong to give you benefit of
the doubt.
> >>> Aren't you the same Nico Haupt who suggested creating false news
releases
> >>> to tie S9/11T to an event in New York in order to tarnish our
reputation?
> >>> Was that another example of your efforts to "restructure and
refocus" us?
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>> Quoting Nico Haupt :
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> David,
> >>>>
> >>>> thanks for your point and i'm actually glad that you respond
back,
> >>>> but as you recall, i put you up in my "biggest hope" category.
> >>>>
> >>>> My point is not to sabotage or offend the group, but to waken
up into
> >>>> another direction with a possible restructure and refocus.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am also curious about what else you have to say, especially
also
> >>>> regarding
> >>>> PR strategy and particular activist projects and contents.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please send me any material about how you think, your own
personal
> >>>>
> >> spirit
> >>
> >>>> and background can improve the group of 911Scholars.
> >>>>
> >>>> respectfully,
> >>>>
> >>>> nico aka ewing2001
> >>>> team8plus.org
> >>>> 911Inside Jobber Yahoogroup
> >>>>
> >>>> PS: Lori, i'm not sure if you responded to me,
> >>>> but i think, i had no 9 million pages in my reply, just a
listings
> >>>>
> >> about
> >>
> >>> 48
> >>>
> >>>> people.
> >>>> I think netiquette is often not clear, if you should add the
original
> >>>> content again.
> >>>> I think in this point it's probably not necessary, if you
don't correct
> >>>>
> >>> or
> >>>
> >>>> quote particular paragraphs and skip the others.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone, who would like to unsubscribe from this list, please
do so.
> >>>> I only decided to include some guests, but respect if the
debate among
> >>>>
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>>> 911scholars can continue without harrassing any other visitors.
> >>>>
> >>>> I might add a link with my analysis on the group at
> >>>>
> >>> portland.indymedia.org,
> >>>
> >>>> in the 9/11 section very soon where people can individually
respond.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------
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> >
> >
>

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:59:35 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Paul Krugman

Yes, you're right. He's a gatekeeper. I used to email him a couple
years back asking him to look into 9/11 and giving im some info. The
best I ever got was some cryptic comment in one of columns about
wanting to know "what really happened on 9/11".

--- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Giltner"
<bill.giltner@...> wrote:
>
> In additional to Amy Goodman, I want to add Paul Krugman's name to the
> list of Left Gatekeepers. Paul is seen by conservatives as the
> outrageous anti-Bush liberal at the NYT. In editorials, he has slamed
> the Bush admin again and again.
>
> However, look at the quality of today's editorial:
>
> http://malakandsky.blogspot.com/2006/02/mensch-gap.html
>
> He's saying the US is messed up because "The people now running
> America aren't mensches."
>
> A fucking PHD, and this is what he offers us. He's as much of a War
> Criminal as Goodman.
>

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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:08:40 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
> An: 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [911InsideJobbers] [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars
> for 9/11 Truth"]
> Datum: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:57:19 -0000
>

(PS: Greg Nixon almost arrived at home again and will write a summary within
the next 40 minutes, posted here.)

WING TV dedicated today's show on the "Controversy Swirls Around
Scholars for 9-11 Truth "

i posted my (revised and updated)
stuff about 911scholars member analysis on portland.indymedia.org
The upload is still pending.
Once link is up, i will post here. I hope, the context will become
clearer then.

Btw, i received more positive response from their members,
than i expected.
Some members replied directly to me, some into the cc-list.
Here is one representative message, from PM Prof. Richard Curtis:

"Richard Curtis su" <curtisr@seattleu.edu> wrote:

Regardless of what Nico's intention is or was, I think that there is a
point
that an organization of people devoted to advocating some position
(i.e.
that 9/11 needs a real investigation) ought to be more intentional in
its
organization, PR and activities. As a new member, I am not at all sure
how
the organization would reply to inquiries along these lines.

I do think, and have told many people, that an organization of
"scholars"
advocating a critical perspective on 9-11 has unique value. We are
supposed
to be advocates for searching out the truth and to the degree the
public has
any respect left for the academy we can use the rigorous methods of
science
and logic to insert critical questions into public dialogue.

In struggle,

Richard

PS to Nico: Actually it is Richard Curtis, PhD now (I recently
completed my
PhD in Philosophy of Religion and Theology from Claremont Graduate
University). And thank you for discovering that I have a reputation
for
encourage critical thinking. I try to do this, so it is nice someone
was
noticing.

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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:37:48 -0600
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"]

It beats "All Necks In One Noose" as everybody makes phoney polite talk
while backstabbing.

Yay for right up front and honest where you're coming from.

It is purely theoretical that people really can change their mind, but
if you don't know what their mind is, they can hide the lie behind a
cheshire cat smile.

The insults are part of the debate style.
Blacks on streetcorners used to call it "The Dozens" probably for the
dozens of insults.

Super, super debate ought to be studied by all folks serious:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/01/332076.html
You can see how insult is built into the format.

Holmgren is debating a tag-team pair with the sort of interrogation
skills expected of Guantanamo.

It is working out fine, tho, cos the nature of Socratic Debate uncovers
truth despite the motivation of potential despoilers.

alexldent wrote:
> Man, I really wish everyone would chill out, especially Fetzer.
> There's no reason to hurl insults around.
>
> What a mess.
>
> "why can't we all just get along?" :P
>
> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Critical examination of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth"
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:06:05 -0600
>> From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
>> Organization: Grassy Knoll Associates
>> To: jfetzer@...
>> References: <20060220213823.27207.qmail@...>
>> <1140474068.70c6cd07982d8@...>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://team8plus.org
>> This is why to take Nico Seriously.
>> This is an incredible collection of research on the war games and
>>
> terror
>
>> drills that just "happened" to be scheduled for 911.
>> This site hosts radar information which confirms that "planes" never
>>
> got
>
>> near New York and all sorts of stuff Nico's team has assembled over the
>> past four plus years.
>>
>> I try to maintain hope that the goal is not to spin up a fiction to
>>
> suit
>
>> the globalist theocrats who have largely funded the 911 Orwellian
>> "Truth" movement, to provide an All Necks in One Noose brand of "unity"
>> as half-truth front man lie-proper to feed the schnookies freshened
>>
> up lies.
>
>> If I had read Nico's message "joke" I would have pounded him for it.
>> Becoming another brand of "Liars For Truth" carrying false flags just
>> cos it has worked so well so far is nothing I could indorse even in
>>
> jest.
>
>> The remark was apparently in reference to Greg Nixon's poster, which
>> some Hoffman fan made for him.
>> In retrospect, I think I didn't take it seriously enough either. Here's
>> what I wrote:
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: 2/20 NYC: my pleading up at DC Indy
>> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:47:17 -0600
>> From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@...>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not bitching or nuthin.
>> I Hail Eris the Goddess of Chaos Equally in Triumph and Despair.
>> Yay for whatever turns up.
>> It's a good looking poster.
>> I'm just saying that people look at the Hoffman addresses and do their
>> normal nod routine.
>> This is good.
>>
>> They may not even read that the target is Spitzer, hero of braindead
>>
> New
>
>> Yorkers about to be rewarded for his coverup expertise like generations
>> of crusading prosecutors.
>>
>> I wouldn't be surprised if Hoffman crawls out of his cave to issue a
>> cease and desist!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg Nixon wrote:
>>
>>> The web sites were not my choosing but that of an activist in SF
>>> who sent me it. Since I am a complete retard with computers and too
>>> overwhelmed with othe work to learn now, I had to run with the
>>> existing one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com, Rosalee Grable
>>> <webfairy@> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think, since your poster flies Jim Hoffman's colors, you will
>>>> have little trouble getting it posted.
>>>> With good fortune, the event shall be a great embarrassment to him.
>>>> Your poster is rubbed with the spoor of the Perp Central inside
>>>> jobbers running both sides.
>>>> This will cause great confusion.
>>>> teehee.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg Nixon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/132464/index.php
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> jfetzer@... wrote:
>>
>>> Nico,
>>>
>>> We agree that someone's behavior is disgusting and irresponsible,
>>>
> but not on
>
>>> which of us that would be. Others can readily sort out the
>>>
> evidence in this
>
>>> case. Anyone who thinks this was a "joke" is not going to have
>>>
> the ghost of
>
>>> a chance actually figuring out what happened on 9/11 or anything
>>>
> else, alas!
>
>>> I cannot imagine why anyone should continue to take you seriously.
>>>
> I don't.
>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Quoting Nico Haupt <nicohaupt2@...>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> If the Village Voice or NY TIMES writes about it, i don't
>>>>>>>>
> care, but
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> maybe it
>>>> > would be cool infowar and a mainstream media stunt, if we claim,
>>>> 911Scholars
>>>> > for Truth are one of the organizers or endorsers as well,
>>>>
> ROFL!!! :)
>
>>>> >
>>>> > Greg could pretend he didn't know about the scam. Someone
>>>>
> maybe should
>
>>>> > really fake a last minute flyer: 911Scholars and Jim Fetzer
>>>>
> present Greg
>
>>>> > Nixon + Co. :)
>>>> >
>>>> Is it your defense that Cathy Garger was the source and that you
>>>>
> had nothing
>
>>>> to do with this? I am sure everyone will find your explanation
>>>>
> fascinating!
>
>>>> Jim<<<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> let me put it this way.
>>>>
>>>> It is sad enough that you neither endorsed Ben Pritchard OR Greg
>>>>
> Nixon.
>
>>>> When you asked me if i suggested a leaflet, "presented by
>>>>
> 911Scholars", this
>
>>>> was actually a joke many weeks ago, with some hope, that you
>>>>
> would still cave
>
>>>> in and actually really endorse Greg Nixon.
>>>>
>>>> If someone picked up this joke, then please make this person
>>>>
> responsible,
>
>>>> not me.
>>>>
>>>> In times, when comedians like Jon Stewart have apparently more
>>>>
> impact on the
>
>>>> leftwing, it is more than irritating, that you take your job so
>>>>
> seriously.
>
>>>> Meanwhile i figured out, who actually printed the leaflet.
>>>> It was Luke, a supporter of ny911truth.org, who once also
>>>>
> organized the Loose
>
>>>> Change II -event. I think, he did also a great promotion for Greg
>>>>
> and you
>
>>>> should be thankful that he added your link.
>>>>
>>>> Ironically also ny911truth.org decided not to promote Greg's
>>>>
> event until last
>
>>>> thursday, and only under strong criticism and way too late, to
>>>>
> get at least
>
>>>> 200 people to Ground Zero.
>>>>
>>>> Luke (i forgot his last name now) did NOT stage or imply that
>>>>
> your group
>
>>>> present Greg's event, but added by good will a link to your and
>>>>
> Jim Hoffman's
>
>>>> website.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your behavior is embarrassing and incredible.
>>>>
>>>> Now you also decided to remove Ben Pritchard?
>>>> That should speak for yourself.
>>>>
>>>> This is disgusting and irresponsible behavior.
>>>>
>>>> My respect for your cause reached almost zero now.
>>>>
>>>> I hope, the other members will figure out now, to correct this ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> nico aka ewing2001
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> jfetzer@... wrote: (1) The purpose of Scholars for 9/11 Truth is
>>>> provided on our web site at
>>>> http://www.st911.org under the heading, "Who are we?", which is
>>>>
> as follows:
>
>>>> Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T) is a non-partisan association
>>>>
> of faculty,
>
>>>> students, and scholars, in fields as diverse as history, science,
>>>>
> military
>
>>>> affairs, psychology, and philosophy, dedicated to exposing
>>>>
> falsehoods and to
>
>>>> revealing truths behind 9/11.
>>>>
>>>> The members of S9/11T are encouraged to take an active role by
>>>>
> devoting
>
>>>> themselves to reporting the results of research on 9/11 to the
>>>>
> nation and the
>
>>>> world by means of lectures, articles, and other venues.
>>>>
>>>> S9/11T members are convinced their research proves the current
>>>>
> administration
>
>>>> has been dishonest about what happened in New York and
>>>>
> Washington, D.C.
>
>>>> These experts contend that books and articles by members and
>>>>
> other associates
>
>>>> have established that the World Trade Center was almost certainly
>>>>
> brought
>
>>>> down
>>>> by controlled demolitions and that the available relevant
>>>>
> evidence casts
>
>>>> grave
>>>> doubt on the government's official story about the attack on the
>>>>
> Pentagon.
>
>>>> They believe that the government not only permitted 9/11 to occur
>>>>
> but may
>
>>>> even
>>>> have orchestrated these events to facilitate its political agenda.
>>>>
>>>> S9/11T encourages its members to vigorously express their
>>>>
> concerns on this
>
>>>> score
>>>> through lectures, conferences, symposia, articles, and books as
>>>>
> well as other
>
>>>> access routes that publicize their findings.
>>>>
>>>> Founded by professors Jim Fetzer and Steven Jones, S9/11T is
>>>>
> devoted to
>
>>>> applying
>>>> the principles of scientific reasoning to the available evidence,
>>>>
> "letting
>
>>>> the
>>>> chips fall where they may".
>>>>
>>>> Currently, S9/11T has four categories of members: full members
>>>>
> (FM), who have
>
>>>> or
>>>> have had academic appointments or the equivalent; associate
>>>>
> members (AM), who
>
>>>> have backgrounds and interests relevant to 9/11 research; and
>>>>
> student members
>
>>>> (SM), who are concerned about these issues and want to pursue
>>>>
> them. The
>
>>>> special
>>>> category of society associate (SA) exists for others who wish to
>>>>
> publicly
>
>>>> support the association.
>>>>
>>>> (2) The relationship between the members and the society is not
>>>>
> symmetrical,
>
>>>> which means that, while the members endorse and support the
>>>>
> purposes and the
>
>>>> goals of the society, the society does not therefore endorse or
>>>>
> support the
>
>>>> purposes and goals of each of its members. The society is not an
>>>>
> "activist"
>
>>>> organization, for example, even thought many of its members are
>>>>
> devoted to
>
>>>> taking "activist" measures. We are devoted to discovering the
>>>>
> truth about
>
>>>> 9/11 and disseminating that information was widely as possible.
>>>>
> Otherwise,
>
>>>> we trust the good judgment of the American people and, indeed,
>>>>
> the people of
>
>>>> the world to take those actions they consider to be most
>>>>
> appropriate under
>
>>>> the circumstances. Moreover, measuring the "degree of purity" of
>>>>
> beliefs of
>
>>>> our members relative to your own subjective yardstick not only
>>>>
> qualifies as
>
>>>> blatant bias but begs the question: what entitles you to assume
>>>>
> that YOUR
>
>>>> BELIEFS about 9/11 are better founded or more defensive than
>>>>
> THEIRS? This
>
>>>> conduct on your part has obvious political motivation and little
>>>>
> or nothing
>
>>>> to do with exposing the false and revealing the truth about event
>>>>
> of 9/11.
>
>>>> (3) It fascinates me that you should cite Benjamin Pritchard, who
>>>>
> misused
>
>>>> the name of the society in promoting an event to which we were
>>>>
> unrelated.
>
>>>> As a consequence, I suspended him from the organization. If you
>>>>
> were not
>
>>>> in such a great rush to smear S9/11T, perhaps you would have
>>>>
> noticed that
>
>>>> his name is not listed as a member. Here is some related
>>>>
> correspondence:
>
>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:37:07 -0600 (CST)
>>>> From: james fetzer
>>>> To: ben@...
>>>> Subject: Re: "Naked" Press Release; Scholars for 9/11 Truth
>>>>
>>>> Benjamin,
>>>>
>>>> We are a group of scholars, not naked activists, so I would
>>>>
> respectfully
>
>>>> request that you not identify Scholars for 9/11 Truth with this
>>>>
> stunt.
>
>>>> I appreciate what you are trying to do; I hope you can appreciate
>>>>
> what we
>
>>>> are trying to do--and that our methods will not always coincide.
>>>>
> Thanks.
>
>>>> Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Attorney@... wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Benjamin, I think your PRWeb press release "9/11 Activists
>>>>>
> Planning to
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 'Get
>>>> Naked' to Get the Mainstream Media's Attention" is funny:
>>>> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060208/nyw163.html?.v=34
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> However, since you are prominently using the name Scholars for
>>>>>
> 9/11 Truth
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> in
>>>> the release, I think you should run it by the group's co-chairs,
>>>>
> Jim and
>
>>>> Steve.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:13:10 -0600
>>>> From: jfetzer@...
>>>> To: benjamin pritchard
>>>> Subject: Re: Naked?
>>>>
>>>> Benjamin Pritchard,
>>>>
>>>> This is to notify you that your name has been removed from the
>>>>
> membership
>
>>>> rolls for Scholars for 9/11 Truth. If you wish to offer a case
>>>>
> for your
>
>>>> reinstatement, you may do so by return email to this list within
>>>>
> 24 hours.
>
>>>> James H. Fetzer
>>>>
>>>> (4) I find it interesting that you deny having suggested
>>>>
> creating a false
>
>>>> press release to smear S9/11T. Quoting Nico Haupt :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> For the record, i am NOT the "same Nico Haupt who suggested
>>>>>
> creating
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> false
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> news releases to tie S9/11T to an event in New York".
>>>>>
>>>>> I am aware, that someone in NY printed some leaflets to
>>>>>
> promote the
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> event
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> of Greg Nixon, but that wasn't me. I have a) no money for this,
>>>>>
> b) no time
>
>>>>> c) not the skills for thsi graphic design.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If that is the case, then perhaps you could kindly explain the
>>>>
> following post
>
>>>> from a group calling itself "911InsideJobbers", which includes
>>>>
> your name as a
>
>>>> member. Are you going to persist in denying that you made such a
>>>>
> suggestion
>
>>>> or that the issues you are raising here are consistent with the
>>>>
> exchange that
>
>>>> is recorded in this post? You appear to have no principles
>>>>
> whatsoever and to
>
>>>> be completely unscrupulous. Would you like to revise your
>>>>
> statement, Nico?
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> --- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht ---
>>>>>> Von: Cathy Garger
>>>>>> An: Nico Haupt , 911InsideJobbers@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [911InsideJobbers] Re: [ny911] NY 911 Truth Update
>>>>>>
> 2-6-06
>
>>>>>> Datum: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:05:04 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The most important outcome of Greg Nixon's event will be THIS TIME
>>>>> not the masses of support, but the symbolical approach and
>>>>>
> enough internet
>
>>>>> media to reflect it. In the best scenario an embarrassed Amy
>>>>>
> Goodman will
>
>>>>> yell at the crowd and stir more confusion, i hope the same for
>>>>>
> ANSWER.
>
>>>>> What the rightwingers depend, i don't expect much reaction. A
>>>>>
> protest at
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> NY TIMES is just to get some hot air for sheeple walking next by.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the Village Voice or NY TIMES writes about it, i don't care,
>>>>>
> but maybe
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> would be cool infowar and a mainstream media stunt, if we claim,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 911Scholars
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> for Truth are one of the organizers or endorsers as well, ROFL!!! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg could pretend he didn't know about the scam. Someone maybe
>>>>>
> should
>
>>>>> really fake a last minute flyer: 911Scholars and Jim Fetzer
>>>>>
> present Greg
>
>>>>> Nixon + Co. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Is it your defense that Cathy Garger was the source and that you
>>>>
> had nothing
>
>>>> to do with this? I am sure everyone will find your explanation
>>>>
> fascinating!
>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
>>>> Founder and Co-chair
>>>> Scholars for 9/11 Truth
>>>> http://www.st911.org
>>>> http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/
>>>>
>>>>
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> if this is the only response you could come up with it, then it
>>>>
> appears to
>
>>>> me
>>>> of the same arrogance you supplied at the last time.
>>>>
>>>> For the record, i am NOT the "same Nico Haupt who suggested
>>>>
> creating false
>
>>>> news releases to tie S9/11T to an event in New York".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am aware, that someone in NY printed some leaflets to promote
>>>>>
> the event
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Greg Nixon, but that wasn't me. I have a) no money for this, b)
>>>>>
> no time c)
>
>>>>> not the skills for thsi graphic design.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also didn't suggest to add these two links, even critized it
>>>>>
> at the
>
>>>>> beginning, when i heard about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, my effort was to analyse all members of your group, as
>>>>>
> close as
>
>>>>> possible and i still believe, it would be irresponsible not to
>>>>>
> use your
>
>>>>> influence in mainstream media not to add any political and activist
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> at this point.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you also didn't respect so far is, that without the
>>>>>
> groundbreaking
>
>>>>> efforts of my former group, "9/11 science and justice alliance"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> (2002-2006),
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> co-founded with Jeff "Plaguepuppy" King. there wouldn't have
>>>>>
> been the
>
>>>>> Walter/Hufschmid-tandem, David Ray Griffin, Craig Hill, WING TV,
>>>>> 911physics.net, or your group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, i pointed out from the beginning, that our phsyical
>>>>>
> research is
>
>>>>> nothing worth if it is not picked up and put into action by
>>>>>
> activist
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> groups
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> or independent media projects and related media stunts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore your group is not going to the next level as well
>>>>>
> and remain as
>
>>>>> pure awareness PR only.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you really believe, that is enough to stop a world war
>>>>>
> between US,
>
>>>>> Russia and China or the pending threat against Iran?
>>>>> Where is your stand, when it comes to confront phoney anti-war
>>>>>
> speakers?
>
>>>>> Why didn't you endorse Greg Nixon's event? Why didn't you send
>>>>>
> a student
>
>>>>> delegetion, connected with your student members of the group?
>>>>> Where is your support of the project of Ben Pritchard (an
>>>>>
> associated
>
>>>>> member of your group) , 911nakedforthe truth and why didn't you
>>>>>
> combine
>
>>>>> forces with him and Greg yet?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I gave you the benefit of a doubt, that you're going into the
>>>>>
> right
>
>>>>> direction, but i listened also closely to your last three
>>>>>
> interviews and
>
>>>>> couldn't hear anything which point on more than just being another
>>>>> 'awareness' group.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am aware, that i occasionally also let my emotions flow, but
>>>>>
> that is a
>
>>>>> response on people in this movement who just show nothing else than
>>>>> arrogance and ignorance.
>>>>>
>>>>> The correspondence with you so far reminds me of the early
>>>>>
> days with Kyle
>
>>>>> Hence, who showed the same attitude.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove, that you're not going into the same direction like
>>>>>
> 911truth.org.
>
>>>>> PS: Nothing is "bizarre" as you often pointed out in some
>>>>>
> interviews.
>
>>>>> The real 9/11 perps calculated confusion and paradoxes to design
>>>>> diversions on purpose, including in a possible "opposition".
>>>>>
>>>>> That includes a sloppy job on pentagon and other details
>>>>>
> regarding
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> alleged
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> cell phone talks or sloppery in their electronic video
>>>>>
> manipulations on
>
>>>>> sep11th.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> jfetzer@... wrote: Nico,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to belabor the obvious, but you are not a member of S9/11T,
>>>>>
> so I have
>
>>>>> no idea what you think you are doing. If your purpose is NOT to
>>>>>
> sabotage
>
>>>>> or undermine the society, I can't imagine what it could be? I
>>>>>
> have been
>
>>>>> resistant to those who have advised me that you are a very nasty
>>>>>
> and very
>
>>>>> unscrupulous person, but I am finding it more and more difficult
>>>>>
> to deny
>
>>>>> that they appear to be right and I wrong to give you benefit of
>>>>>
> the doubt.
>
>>>>> Aren't you the same Nico Haupt who suggested creating false news
>>>>>
> releases
>
>>>>> to tie S9/11T to an event in New York in order to tarnish our
>>>>>
> reputation?
>
>>>>> Was that another example of your efforts to "restructure and
>>>>>
> refocus" us?
>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting Nico Haupt :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for your point and i'm actually glad that you respond
>>>>>>
> back,
>
>>>>>> but as you recall, i put you up in my "biggest hope" category.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My point is not to sabotage or offend the group, but to waken
>>>>>>
> up into
>
>>>>>> another direction with a possible restructure and refocus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am also curious about what else you have to say, especially
>>>>>>
> also
>
>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>> PR strategy and particular activist projects and contents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please send me any material about how you think, your own
>>>>>>
> personal
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> spirit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> and background can improve the group of 911Scholars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nico aka ewing2001
>>>>>> team8plus.org
>>>>>> 911Inside Jobber Yahoogroup
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: Lori, i'm not sure if you responded to me,
>>>>>> but i think, i had no 9 million pages in my reply, just a
>>>>>>
> listings
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> about
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 48
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>> I think netiquette is often not clear, if you should add the
>>>>>>
> original
>
>>>>>> content again.
>>>>>> I think in this point it's probably not necessary, if you
>>>>>>
> don't correct
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> quote particular paragraphs and skip the others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone, who would like to unsubscribe from this list, please
>>>>>>
> do so.
>
>>>>>> I only decided to include some guests, but respect if the
>>>>>>
> debate among
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 911scholars can continue without harrassing any other visitors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I might add a link with my analysis on the group at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> portland.indymedia.org,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> in the 9/11 section very soon where people can individually
>>>>>>
> respond.
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:59:51 -0000
From: "Greg Nixon" <nxngrg@yahoo.com>
Subject: 2/20 NYC

First off I like to thank Nico and all the others here for the moral
support over the last several weeks. I think the media coverage
PRECEDING the event made the occasion worth while even if the event
was not held. the word was out the 'gatekeepers' are the focus of
our
fury, and this is very important.

The day was beautiful and not unlike the clear morning of 9/11
itself,
except cold. We had 40 or so assemble at the WTC Plaque. The cops
were
overly sympathetic and polite. They ARE OUR FRIENDS in this folks.
We
need to mobilize these guys. these guys have families, they don't
want
this NWO agenda any more than we do - they SAW they Destruction.

After an interview with the Netherlands equivalent of
CBS, an interview where I clearly expressed my rage, we all walked
over to Spitzer's Silverstein properties office. Sander Hicks gave
an
inspired speech for camera's and passerbyers (Including David
Letterman who paid no attention it seemed :(....
The financial area was a bit low on peds considering the bank
holiday.

We marched on up Broadway to Amy Goodman's "firehouse Studio" and
assemble our mob out side the door. The staff had already thrown
Craig
Hill and I out of the studio earlier, so I knew they would be
hostile.
Hicks called Amy and got her on speakerphone where the crowd all had
their say. I yelled "MEDIA WAR CRIMINAL" others jeered and she hung
u.
As for that stop mission accomplished. NEVER, have protesters
assembled at her door and made her confront what she is, a media
figure serving POWER and not the people.

The mob moved up to Canal and got on the N and the R line, where I
began to lecture riders on Lockheed Martin being paid to "protect
Nyer's when they are in fact an inside sponsor of 9/11 and told of
the
danger. We got plenty of good stares....

We exited and circled around the throbbing Times Square to
Giuliani's
office. Craig Hill entered and asked if this was where the Perp
worked
and they at first LIED. No he doesn't. Then another guy said he did.
We were not allowed in the building and began deafening screams that
the Ghoul is a mass murderer for ALL Times Square to hear. There was
not the numbers or the conditions for any CD.

After fifteen minutes of jeering we circled back though Broadway to
see the "Grey Lady" NYT and let em have it. The rally then ended up
at the steps of the Stairs of the NY Public Library where we had all
the banners up at the entrances (see photo in file) and did a 45
minute shout out to all of mid-town. I kept screaming I believe in
the Easter Bunny, I believe in Santa Clause, I believe 19 hijackers
did 9/11. etc ....

We are in big trouble folks. I don't see ANY organized activism in
NYC considering the ease and potential to build a movement there.
there is no 9/11 movement as far as activism is concerned. ALL THE
BS
on the internet DOESN"T FUCKING MATTER. The grass roots approach
ain't
going to cut it PERIOD. Get this on MSM or it's over. We need media
a
savvy action plan now or it's over and the exetended midnight of
Bushism is here to stay. that's it. Get this OFF THE
INTERNET. STOP WASTING TIME IN CHAT FORUMS. THE REST OF THE WORLD
HAS
NO CLUE what we write or say here.

I called for a mob and got 40 people, This in a city of 7 million
where this crime took place???

I am taking a breather from this "movement" since I am now
officially
broke. I cannot devote 8 plus hours any more to the latest breaking
development's here knowing that there is NO FRUITION to the activity.

Best to all.

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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:18:16 +0100 (MET)
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
Subject: Scholars for 911truth- False Hope Project?

...first link is up now and wild timing, coz also Greg Nixon's report is up
right now, as i just noticed :)

Scholars for 911truth- False Hope Project?
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/02/334347.shtml

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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:07:37 -0500
From: "FONEBONE" <fonebone@goes.com>
Subject: FW: [frameup] STEP UP to the PLATE

WOW ONLY ONE BATTER SO FAR --FONEBONE
-----Original Message-----
From: frameup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:frameup@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
FONEBONE
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:43 PM
To: frameup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [frameup] STEP UP to the PLATE

comments and replies interspersed ---

Daniel Wilks>
"It would help to have the full set and better
resolution."

Fonebone< AGREED !
I've seen better video resolution from post WWII Japanese 8 MM movie
cameras that sold for less than twenty dollars on Canal St around 1956
The NAUDET entire original video in its original format should
be immediately demanded as evidence in a
MURDER - INSURANCE FRAUD - CONSPIRACY INVESTIGATION
Lacking Americans with intestinal fortitude to do their sworn duty and
SUBPOENA
and INVESTIGATE
we will have to utilize the poor resolution evidence available to
dissect this crime ---

Daniel Wilks>
It is an aircraft hitting WTC1 nothing mor not a
missile. You can see the wings and their shadows.
you can see the wings. Theses are the frames removed
toove a false missile story

Fonebone< HMMMMmmmm
STRIKE TWO !
Your attachment of stills labeled 13 , 14 , 15 respectively <bottom> are
clearly
extracted from the last frames of this sequence .
Further - your stills highlighting the
" hollywood special-effects "
"plane" scar prove this scar was created by pre-placed and pre-positioned
explosive charges to
complete the AIRPLANE CRASH ILLUSION required for the TV cameras.
Your frames could not possibly depict a genuine wing to tower wall collision
because
the 3 WING MOUNTED FUEL TANKS didn't explode instantly upon dis-integration
into 3 separate but distinct yellow orange fireballs - each with billowing
dense black
hydrocarbon smoke plumes typical of plane crash infernos
NOW STUDY the ENTIRE SEQUENCE paying special note to the
frames that precedes your 3 stills -
NOW STUDY the STILL of the "plane" and shadow along side the
Boeing 767 pic and SUN position graphic.
DO YOU SEE A JUMBO_JET MAKING A SHARP LEFT BANK into the
WTC TOWER WALL ?

I DON'T KNOW HOW to state this any more clearly Daniel
Your count is O and 2 BATTER_UP

POINT OUT THE 160 FEET OF FAT JUMBO-JET WING that
block the direct rays of the SUN striking the mirror-like ALUMINUM facade
of tower wall behind.
POINT OUT the SHADOW of those 160 FOOT LONG WINGS on
the TOWER WALL ATTACHED to the FUSELAGE SHADOW that is
clearly present.

CUT the CRAP - This is a MISSILE --FONEBONE

<left> concatenated stills extracted from the Naudet WTC 1 VIDEO <right>
Still of "plane " and shadow

<left> Boeing 767 Jumbo-jet <left> Sun position

<below> hollywood special-effects "plane" scar being created by explosives
-Note lack of FIREBALLS UPON IMPACT

-----Original Message-----
From: frameup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:frameup@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Daniel Wilks
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 6:57 PM
To: frameup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [frameup] STEP UP to the PLATE

It would help to have the full set and better
resolution.

It is an aircraft hitting WTC1 nothing mor not a
missile. You can see the wings and their shadows.
you can see the wings. Theses are the frames removed
toove a false missile story

--- FONEBONE <fonebone@goes.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the WTC 2 SOUTH TOWER TV Stills --
> However
> The WINGS I am requesting NAY-SAYERS
> to point out are of the
> WTC 1 NORTH TOWER "plane"
>
> OK Danial STEP UP to the PLATE
>
> POINT OUT the 160 FOOT WINGS -- FONEBONE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frameup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:frameup@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> Daniel Wilks
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:04 AM
> To: frameup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [frameup] STEP UP to the PLATE
>
>
>
> The missile theroy and webfairy's rmoved frame is
> evident and explosed by Channel 7 in NYC and the
> stills frm their vidieo it clearly shows the
> impact
> of 7
> --- FONEBONE <fonebone@goes.com> wrote:
>
> look at the attached file from channel 7 NYC
>
>
>
>
>
> RoadsEnd > Which bullsh*t would you like to
> > present?
> >
> >
> > Dick Eastman >
> > "The "no planer" claims are simply wrong."
> > " Actually the blurred
> enlargement/enhancement
> > supports the big plane
> > conclusion and nothing else."
> >
> > Alienlover >
> > One only has to look at the unadulterated
> footage
> > to prove that. the AP
> > and other cameras did capture one Jetliner
> hitting
> > WTC 1 and another
> > Jetliner hitting WTC 2.
> >
> > pierre.desmoulins@wanadoo.fr >
> > There will be more joy in heaven over one
> sinner
> > who repents, than over
> > ninety-nine righteous persons who need no
> > repentance. . . .
> > Luke 15:1-10
> > *******************************
> >
> >
> > -Fonebone <
> >
> > --- Fool beacons fool ,
> > and dunce awakens dunce . --
> > Churchill ___Apology line
> > 42
> >
> >
> > STEP UP to the PLATE -
> > ONE and ALL
> > ONCE and FOR ALL !
> >
> > POINT OUT THE WINGS ON THE JUMBO JET !!
> > The north wall of the WTC 1 North tower is
> being
> > bathed in
> > direct rays of the SUN -
> > NOT reflected light
> > NOT diffused ambient light
> > BUT DIRECT RAYS of the MORNING SUN !!!
> > Elementary school science reveals SUN RAYS are
> > PARALLEL
> > and CREATE THE EXACT SHADOW of the OBJECT ON
> > NEARBY
> > illuminated surfaces.
> > AIRPLANES FLYING FRYING ACROSS AN AIRFIELD at
> HIGH
> > NOON
> > will CREATE an exact shadow of itself on the
> AIR
> > STRIP BELOW
> > as it PASSES HUNDREDS of FEET OVERHEAD -
> >
> > SO The 160 feet of jumbo-jet wings that block
> > these reflected rays of
> > DIRECT SUN rays are WHERE ? HMMMMmmmm ?????
> > and
> > NOW --- POINT OUT the 160 foot shadow created
> by
> > the WINGS attached to the
> > 160 foot long fuselage cigar-shaped shadow
> > HMMMMmmmm ?????
> >
> > <left> Still frame 121 Naudet
> > <center> Boeing 767 JUMBO JET
> > <right> ditto rotated 180 degrees
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > the above still was extracted from the Naudet
> > video featured below
> >
> >
> >
> > let me help you out ---
> > Would you care to study a nice close-up still
> of
> > the "plane " ?
> > Here it is <below>- complete with a matching
> > shadow
> > This frozen still is the last frame before the
> > nose toughed the north
> > tower north wall
> > but highly magnified using 2003 vintage state
> of
> > the art tools
> > The Naudet video is available so this clue can
> > easily be reproducedfor
> > verity.
> > The ORIGINAL NAUDET VIDEO in it's original
> format
> > will reveal a more
> > accurate
> > rendition of "plane" but this crude outline is
> > sufficient enough to
> > exclude a
> > JUMBO JET to ALL BUT the DIMMEST of WITS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Others ? Please continue ON
> > NOW ---ONCE AGAIN STEP UP to the PLATE
> > POINT OUT the 160 foot long wings attached
> to
> > the
> > cigar shaped fuselage-- with their
> corresponding
> > shadows attached
> > to the cigar shaped fuselage shadow
> > THE WINGS that MILLE-SECONDS LATER CREATED the
> > "roadrunner cartoon " style scar in the steel
> > tower wall --
> > NO !
> > YOU CAN'T BECAUSE they're NOT THERE -----
> >
> > CUT the CRAP THIS is a MISSILE -
> > FONEBONE
> >
> >
> > Bullshit.
>
> Missiles do not leave Black boxes Behind. 2 were
> retreived from the WTC 1 and 2 towers
> one from the Pentagon.
>
> Also the ignorance of individuals like you about
> the
> actual Tatctical/ technical lay out of the
> pentagon is
> staggering.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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