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Reply: ISI is involved in the poppy trade, as was Mohammed Atta and the Flying Dutch Boys. This is plenty reason to send Atta money.In his video, Hopsicker is very negative toward the notion these were "fundamentalist hijackers", despite his public pronouncements to the contrary.Mohammed Atta's daddy was an important functionary in the Islamic Brotherhood at Cairo University, the one founded in 1927 by British Intelligence.They espouse an extremely strict form of Islam but don't feel so bound for themselves, like the Saudi Royals and Barry Seal Wannabe drugrunners.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Egyptian-Islamic-Jihad
Where they say "Al Qaeda" or "Al Zaquari" insert British Intelligence, Mossad, ISI, or any other alternate name for Mystery Babylon.The many names effect was seeded by Tavistock long ago,during Palmerston's Zoo and Milner's Kintergarden.
http://www.ciajfk.com/zero.html
This author's research found that in 1964, Mohamed Al Fayed went toPort-au-Prince as the agent of Emir Atta, of El Sabat, Kuwait. This is aninteresting connection for the lead hijacker of September 11, 2001 Mohamed Atta, used the following alias: Mohammed El Amir; Muhammad Atta; Muhammad Al Amir. In fact, Atta's father's name is Mohamed El-Amir Atta.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/cia-drugs/Msg02505.html
Atta's father is an international banker, and member of the University of Cairo Islamic Brotherhood founded by freemason Lawrence of Arabia, and taught by none less than Alister Crowley.Atta's father had business dealings with Mohammed Al Fayed
http://ciajfk.com/zero.html
Here's Atta's father (and some other interesting video clips)http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/atta/video/
Mohammed el-Amir AttaReporter Liz Jackson approaches Mohamed Atta's father in a street in Cairo.
http://abc.net.au/4corners/av/20011112fourcorners09.ram
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/
oneyearon/story/0,12361,784541,00.html
Monday September 2, 2002The Guardian
http://thewebfairy.com/911/cia-drugs/Msg01684.html
8). On April 11, 1963, Prescott Bush left the Senate and returned to work atBrown Brothers & Harriman while George de Mohrenschildt was hanging out with the future assassin Lee Harvey Oswald.
http://ciajfk.com/images/PRES-3.jpg
Mr. Sensenbrenner never did act on this matter and now I find a possibleconnection to George H.W. Bush and Mohamed Atta's father El-Amir Atta.The connection is that Mohamed Al Fayed, father of Dodi Fayed met with George De Mohrenschildt in 1964 and was pretending to be a Kuwaitian oilman when he was in reality an Egyptian from Cairo reprensenting one Mohamed El-Amir Atta.Both de Mohrenschildt and Bush have ties to Mohamed Al Fayed. Mr. Al Fayed lost a lawsuit against the CIA and the Pentagon on Jully 13, 2001 five days before you wrote to Mr. Sensenbrenner and two months before the September 11, 2001conspiracy.jeff strahl wrote:> Why would the ISI have sent Atta all that money right before 9/11, for > a last supper? I suspect if there's any truth to it, it was to set up > a false evidence trail, implicating the ISI as a secondary scapegoat > should some of the first lines of defense unravel.> Hopsicker was really nasty to 9/11 researchers even speculating about > remote control of planes, he's totally wedded to "hijackers", it's > *his* story, and hell if he's gonna let it go.> Both those are "alternative legends", well-discussed by Chaim > Kupferberg at>
http://globalresearch.ca/
> And i am totally skeptical of a NORAD standdown, which becomes > completely unnecessary once it is revealed that no planes were > actually hijacked.>>> on 9/11/05 2:51 PM, Lynn Ertell wrote:>> Rosalee thinks it useful to examine the building of a legend for the> patsies, and whether there is structured manipulation (through> threats,> money or mind-control) of the patsies to help in propaganda> preparation for> the event and its aftermath.>> We went through this kind of discussion around the so-called DC> Beltway> snipers, when details of their background (Ft.Lewis, observed> relationship> between Malvo and his adopted father-figure), and especially the> possible> creation of background serial-killer noise - to obscure the> targeting of> the FBI clerk who was one of the victims.>> But the problem is that large swaths of the public have a mythical> notion of> free-will when it comes to the motivation of the patsies, which is> what the> official legend is built to reinforce. If people generally> understood how a> purported free-will can be hijacked and manipulated into a> false-flag patsy> for a black-op; then they would presumably be capable of making the> conceptual leap to understanding how THEY themselves are already being> controlled and manipulated on an hourly basis by a totalitarian media.> How can they see a patsy as programmed, until they can grasp that they> themselves are programmed ?>> Of course we all know how simple it is to profile, recruit and> behaviorally> condition Delta-style killers. It is now standard TRADOC for> regular as> well as Special Ops units. Big deal.>> It's like exploring the military background of McVeigh.> It all gets washed out when we locate him at Elohim City, in the> company of> Andreas Strassmeir and other known intelligence operatives and> assorted> confidential BATF or FBI informants like Carol Howe.> Whatever profiling or special treatment McVeigh and Nichols got> when they> were in the military, is interesting from a hypothetical,> speculative point> of view - but impossible to document because the sources of that> documentation are engineering whatever legend is retailed to begin> with.> So why bother deconstructing the legend to show how these> patsies/fallguys/sleepers are actually being manipulated by others.> Merely to join the military, with the open intention of becoming> trained as> a professional special operator - as was McVeigh's ambition -> shows us they> already had their patsy. It was only a question of which legend they> should use to position him to take the rap for the operation.>> Ditto Oswald .... Maj.John Newman shows us how they typically> delete or> manufacture or plant elements of the official legend into the> government,> FBI and military intelligence files - so we can waste our time in a> wilderness of mirrors. Peter Dale Scott shows how the planting of> Track1> plotline elements, as opposed to Track2 plotlines, are used to> blackmail> other factions within the> military/intelligence/corporate/political/gangster> milieu - so that everyone finds it in their best interest to> accommodate the> official consensus (Big Lie) that ultimately gets canonized as a> Warren> Commission Report, Report on the Liberty attack - or our own> celebrated 9/11> Commission legend.>> I say, in cases like these, unless we can prove simple and obvious> use of> mind-control (as in the case of military/intelligence sponsored> pedophile> and sex slavery operations like DynCorps, or the documented history of> MK-Ultra experiments, the famous Frank Olsen case, etc.); it is> better to> use Occams Razor and the principle of Locality of Reference.>> McVeigh's association with Elohim City is a much more fertile> ground for> exposing his role as a patsy, than his somewhat patchy-documented> background> in the military. Likewise, there were more fruitful fields to> explore> behind Oswald's fake legend-building in New Orleans;> rather than trying to expose his role as a fake-defector from the> Marines a> few years earlier - sure to lead one down a more difficult hall of> mirrors.>> Similarly with the DC Beltway snipers. John Allen Muhammed's military> record would obviously be carefully crafted to misdirect and waste> time.>> I raise all this because I am concerned about the way everyone> jumps and> sneezes every time the controlled media projects another detail> about Atta> and company. How much of what Daniel Hopsicker supposedly> uncovered, was> part of the legend anyway ?> South Florida is such a cloudy, opaque swamp of crime and> corruption - its> easy to get lost in those details.>> On the other hand; a NORAD stand-down and controlled demolition of> buildings, along with the ensuing cover-up and its endorsement by> the media> - cut to the chase - the essence of why 9/11 was engineered and> who did it.>> The details about the patsies (if they were even on the planes) do> come to> seem like red herrings, distractions and reduction of 9/11 to a> tabloidized> collection of entertaining details.> They only become meaningful in understanding the propaganda> preparation> (psy-op battlefield terrain) of the event itself.> It is all made up.>> So we bring up the money wired to Atta on behalf of Gen.Mahmoud Ahmad.> That takes us down the Pakistani ISI rathole.> Sure, we know it implicates Goss and Graham - if and when we have the> muscle to bring them to trial.> But that assumes that our target audience already understands the> relationship between gangster families and their dependents (CIA> to ISI)> ...which is difficult to explain to the average American still> dreaming the> fantasy that meaningful boundaries exist between nation-states.> Here again, they get lost in the details.> Which is where I think Hopsicker ended up.
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